THE TRIAL OF Spencer Cowper, Esq john Marson, Ellis Stevens, and William Rogers, Gent. Upon an Indictment for the Murder of Mrs SARAH STOUT, a Quaker. Before Mr Baron Hatsell, at Hertford Assizes, july 18. 1699. Of which they were Acquitted. With the Opinions of the Eminent Physicians and Surgeons on both sides, concerning Drowned Bodies, delivered in the Trial. AND The several Letters produced in Court. LONDON, Printed for Isaac Cleave in Chancery-lane, Matt. Wotton in Fleetstreet, and john Bullord. 1699. I Do appoint Isaac Cleave, Matthew Wotton, and john Bullord, to Print the Trial of Spencer Cowper, john Marson, Ellis Stevens, and William Rogers: And that no other person presume to Print the same. Hen. Hatsell. The Trial of Spencer Cowper, Esq etc. Die Mercurii 16 julii, 1699. Proclamation was made for all persons concerned to attend Cl. of Arr. YOu good men that are empanelled to inquire, etc. answer to your names, and save your Fines. Then Ellis Stephens, William Rogers and john Marson being upon Bail, Proclamation was made for them to attend, which they accordingly did, and Mr Cowper was brought into Court by the Under-Sheriff. Cl. of Arr. Spencer Cowper hold up thy hand. (which he did.) john Marson hold up thy hand. (which he did.) Ellis Stevens hold up thy hand. (which he did.) William Rogers hold up thy hand. (which he did.) You stand Indicted by the names of Spencer Cowper, late of the Parish of Saint john's, in the Town of Hertford, in the County of Hertford, Esq john Marson, late of the Parish aforesaid, in the County aforesaid, Gent. Ellis Stevens, late of the Parish aforesaid, in the County aforesaid, Gent. and William Rogers, late of the Parish aforesaid, in the County aforesaid, Gent. For that you not having God before your eyes, but being moved and seduced by the instigation of the Devil, on the thirteenth day of March, in the eleventh year of the Reign of his present Majesty, by force and arms, etc. at the Parish aforesaid, in the County aforesaid, in and upon one Sarah Stout Spinster, in the peace of God and our Sovereign Lord the King, then and there being, violently, feloniously, voluntarily, and of your malice aforethought, did make an assault; and that you the aforesaid Spencer Cowper, john Marson, Ellis Stevens, and William Rogers, a certain Rope of no value. about the neck of the said Sarah then and there feloniously, voluntarily, and of your malice aforethought, did put, place▪ fix and bind, and the neck and throat of the said Sarah, then and there with the hands of you the said Spencer Cowper, john Marson, Ellis Stevens and William Rogers, feloniously, voluntarily, and of your malice aforethought, did hold, squeeze, and gripe: And that you the said Spencer Cowper, john Marson, Ellis Stevens, and William Rogers, with the aforesaid Rope, by you the said Spencer Cowper, john Marson, Ellis Stevens and William Rogers, then as aforesaid about the neck of the aforesaid Sarah Stout put, placed, fixed, bound, and by the squeezing and gripping of the neck and throat of the said Sarah with the hands of you the said Spencer Cowper, john Marson, Ellis Stevens and William Rogers as aforesaid, the said Sarah Stout then and there, by force and arms, etc. feloniously, voluntarily, and of your malice aforethought, did choke and strangle; by reason of which choking and strangling of her the said Sarah Stout, by you the aforesaid Spencer Cowper, john Marson, Ellis Stevens and William Rogers, with the said Rope about the neck of the said Sarah Stout as aforesaid, placed, fixed and bound, and by the squeezing and gripping of the neck and throat of the said Sarah with the hands of you the said Spencer Cowper, john Marson, Ellis Stevens and William Rogers, as aforesaid, the said Sarah then and there instantly died: And so you the said Spencer Cowper, john Marson, Ellis Stevens and William Rogers, the said Sarah Stout, on the thirteenth day of March, in the year aforesaid, in the Parish aforesaid, in the County aforesaid, in manner and form aforesaid, feloniously, voluntarily, and of your malice aforethought, did kill and murder; and the said Sarah Stout, as aforesaid, by you the said Spencer Cowper, john Marson, Ellis Stevens and William Rogers, feloniously, voluntarily, and out of your malice aforethought, choked and strangled, into a certain River there, being called the Priory River, then secretly and maliciously did put and cast, to conceal and hide the said Sarah Stout so murdered, against the peace of our Sovereign Lord the King, his Crown and Dignity, etc. How sayst thou Spencer Cowper, art thou Guilty of the Felony and Murder whereof thou stand'st Indicted, or Not Guilty? Mr Cowper. Not Guilty. Cl. of Arr. Culprit. How wilt thou be tried? Mr Cowper. By God and my Country. Cl. of Arr. God send you a good deliverance. Then the other three pleaded likewise Not Guilty, and put themselves upon their Country in manner aforesaid. Then Proclamation was made for Information. Cl. of Arr. You the Prisoners at the ●…ar▪ These men that you shall hear called, and personally appear, are to pass between our Sovereign Lord the King and you, upon Trial of your several lives and deaths: Therefore if you will challenge 'em, or any of 'em, your time to speak is as they come to the Book to be Sworn, before they be Sworn. Then the panel was called over. Cl. of Arr. Do you design to join in your Challenges, or to Challenge separately? Mr Cowper. If we should Challenge separately, there must be so many separate Trials, and therefore to prevent the trouble of the Court, I am willing there should be but one Challenge for all. Cl. of Arr. Gentlemen, Do you all agree to that? Prisoners. Yes, yes. Then after some Challenges, as well on the part of the King as of the Prisoners, there not being a full Jury of the principal Panel: Mr Cowper. IF your Lordship please, the Panel is now gone through, I desire they may show some legal Cause for their Challenges. Mr jones. I conceive we that are retained for the King are not bound to show any Cause, or the Cause is sufficient if we say they are not Good for the King, and that is allowed to be a good Cause of Challenge, for what other Cause can we show in this Case. You are not to show your Cause, you Challenge peremptorily, so in this Case the King does. Mr Cowper. My Lord, I stand at the Bar with some disadvantage, to encounter a Gentleman that hath no Concernment; but however, I do take it for Law, that there must be a Cause showed, and that Cause must be a legal one, and what that Cause is they must certainly make out. I do think it ought to appear that there is some relation, or some notorious affection or friendship, or something of that sort, or otherwise it is not a legal Cause of Challenge; and if there seem to be any difficulty in this particular, I hope your Lordship will assign me Council to argue it with the King's Council. Mr Baron Hatsell. Mr Cowper, you are not under such disadvantage as men usually are that stand where you now do. You have been educated in the study of the Law, and understand it very well, I have several times seen how you have managed your Clients Causes to their advantage. As for this matter of Challenge, Mr jones, I think you should show your Cause of Challenge, though the Law allows the Prisoner the liberty to Challenge 20 peremptorily. Mr jones. I don't know, in all my practice of this nature, that it was ever put upon the King to show Cause, and I believe some of the King's Council will say they have not known it done. Mr Cowper. In my I▪. Ch. Justice Hales' Pleas of the Crown, p. 259. it is expressly so▪ and in the Statute of 33 E. 1. 'tis said the King shall not Challenge without Cause, and that must be legal▪ Cl. of Arr. Call Daniel Clarke. Mr Baron Hatsell. Mr jones, if you can say any Juryman hath said any thing concerning this Cause, and given his Verdict by way of discourse, or showed his affection one way or other, that would be good Cause of Challenge. Mr jones. My Lord, than we should keep you here while to morrow morning. Mr Baron Hatsell. If there hath been any great friendship between any Juryman and the party, it will look ill if he be insisted upon. Mr Cowper. My Lord, I don't insist upon it, but I profess I know of no Friendship, only that Mr Clarke in Elections hath taken our Interest in Town; I know I have a just Cause, and I am ready to be tried before your Lordship▪ and any fair Jury of the County; therefore I do not insist upon it. Then the Jury sworn was as followeth: Jur Evan. Lloyd, Esq, William Watson, john Prior, john Harrow, George Holgate, john Stracey. Thomas Parrott, Sam. Wallingham, Francis Cole, Rich. Crouch, john Cock, Rich. Dickinsor. Mr Cowper. My Lord, I humbly move that I may have Pen, Ink and Paper. Mr Baron Hatsell. Ay, by all means. Cl. of Arr. Hold up your hand. (which he did) And so of the rest; You of the Jury look upon the Prisoners, and hearken to their charge. They stand Indicted by the names of, etc. (Prout in the Indictment (mutatis mutandis:) Iury. My Lord, we desire we may have Pen, Ink and Paper. Clerk of the Assize. There are three of the Jury desire Pen, Ink and Paper. Mr Baron Hatsell. Let as many have it as will. Mr jones May it please your Lordship, and you Gentlemen that are sworn, I am of Council for the King in this Cause, and it is▪ upon an Indictment by which the Gentlemen at the Bar stand accused for one of the foulest and most wicked Crimes almost that any age can remember; I believe in your County you never knew a fact of this nature: For here is a young Gentlewoman of this County murdered and strangled in the night time. The thing was done in the dark, therefore the Evidence cannot be so plain as otherwise might be. After she was strangled and murdered, she was carried and thrown into a River to stifle the fact, and to make it supposed that she had murdered herself; that it was ineded, if it prove otherwise, a double Murder, and a Murder accompanied with all the Circumstances of Wickedness and Villainy that I remember in all my Practice, or ever read of. This Fact, as it was committed in the night time, so it was carried very secret, and it is very well we have had so much light as we have to give so much satisfaction: For we have here in a manner two Trials, one to acquit the party that is dead, and to satisfy the world, and vindicate her reputation that she did not murder herself▪ but was murdered by other hands. For my part, I shall never as Council in the case of Blood aggravate; I will not improve or enlarge the Evidence at all, it shall be only my business to set the Fact as it is, and to give the Evidence, and state it as it stands here in my Instructions. My Lord, for that purpose, to lead to the Fact, it will be necessary to inform you that upon Monday the 13th of March, the first day of the last Assizes here, Mr Cowper, one of the Gentlemen at the Bar, came to this Town, and lighted at Mr Barefoot's house, and stayed there some time, I suppose, to dry himself, the weather beingdirty, but sent his Horse to Mrs stout, the Mother of this Gentlewoman. Some time after he came thither himself, and dined there, and stayed till 4 in the afternoon; at 4 when he went away, he told them he would come and lodge there that night, and Sup. According to his word he came there, and had the Supper he desired, after Supper Mrs Stout the young Gentlewoman and he sat together till near 11 a clock. At 11 a clock there was orders given to warm his Bed, openly to warm his Bed in his hearing. The Maid of the house, gentlemans, upon this went up stairs to warm his Bed, expecting the Gentleman would have come up and followed her before she had done, but it seems while she was warming of the Bed she heard the door clap together, and the nature of that door is such, that it makes a great noise at the clapping of it to, that any body in the House may be sensible of any one's going out. The Maid upon this was concerned, and wondered at the meaning of it, he promising to lie there that night; she came down, but there was neither Mr Cowper nor Mrs Stout, so that we suppose, and for all that we can find and learn, they must go out together. After their going out, the Maid and Mother came into the Room, and the young Gentlewoman not returning, nor Mr Cowper, they sat up all night in the house, expecting what time the young Gentlewoman would return. The next morning after they had sat up all night, the first news of this Lady was, that she lay floating and swimming in water by the Mill-Damm. Upon that there was several persons called; for it was a surprise how this should come to pass. There she lay floating with her Petticoats and Apron, but her Nightrail and Morning-gown were off, and one of them not found till some time after; and the Maid will give you an account how it came to be found. This made a great noise in the Country; for it was very extraordinary, it happening that from the time the Maid left Mr Cowper and this young Gentlewoman together▪ she was not seen or heard of till next morning, when she was found in this condition, with her Eyes broad open, floating upon the water. When her Body came to be viewed it was very much wondered at: For in the first place it is contrary to nature, that any persons that drown themselves, should float upon the water. We have sufficient Evidence that it is a thing that never was, if persons come alive into the water than they sink, if dead then they swim, that made some more curious to look into this matter. At first it was thought that such an accident might happen, though they could not imagine any cause for this woman to do so, who had so great Prosperity, had so good an Estate, and had no occasion to do an action upon herself so wicked and so barbarous, nor cannot learn what reason she had to induce her to such a thing. Upon view of the Body it did appear there had been violence used to the woman, there was a crease round her Neck, she was bruised about her Ear, so that it did seem as if she had been strangled either by Hands or a Rope. Gentlemen, upon the examination of this matter, it was wondered how this matter came about, it was dark and blind. The Coroner at that time, nor these people had no Evidence given, but the ordinary Evidence, and it passed in a day. We must call our Witnesses to this Fact, that of necessity you must conclude she was strangled, and did not drown herself; If we give you as strong a proof as can be upon the nature of the Fact that she was strangled, than the 2d matter under your enquiry will be, to know who, or what persons should be the men that did the Fact. I told you before it was, as all wicked actions are, a matter of darkness, and done in secret, to be kept as much from the knowledge of men as was possible. Truly, Gentlemen, as to the persons at the Bar, the Evidence of the Fact will be ●…ery▪ short, and will be to this purpose. Mr Cowper was the last man unfortunately in her Company, I could wish he had not been so with all my heart, 'tis a very unfortunate thing, that his name should upon this occasion be brought upon the Stage; but then, my Lord, it was a strange thing; here happens to be three Gentlemen, Mr Marson, Mr Rogers, and Mr Stevens, as to these 3 men my, Lord, I don't hear of any business they had here, unless it was to do this matter, to serve some Interest or Friend, that sent them upon this message, for my Lord, they came to Town, (and in things of this nature, 'tis well we have this Evidence, but if we had not been straightened in time it would have brought out more, these things come out slowly) these persons, Mr Stevens, Mr Rogers, and Mr Marson came to Town here on the 13th of March last, the Assize day: My Lord, when they came to Town, they came to an House, and took Lodgings at one Gurreys', they took a Bed for two and went out of their Lodging, having taken a room with a large Bed in it, and afterwards they went to the Glove and Dolphin, and then about 8 a Clock one Marson came to them there; in what company they came, your Lordship and the Jury will know by and by, they stayed there, my Lord, at the Glove from 8 a Clock to 11, as they say. At 11 these three Gentlemen came all in to their Lodging together to this Gurreys'; my Lord, when they came in, it was very observable amongst them, unless there had been a sort of fate in it: ●…st, That they should happen to be in the condition they were in, and 2dly, fall upon the discourse they did at that time; for my Lord, they called for Fire, and the Fire was made them, and while the people of the House were going about, they observed and heard these Gentlemen talk of Mrs Sarah Stout, that happened to be their discourse, one said to the other, Marson, she was an old Sweetheart of yours: Ay, saith he, but she cast me off, but I reckon by this time a Friend of mine has done her business: another piece of discourse was, I believe a Friend of mine is even with her by this time. They had a bundle of Linen with them, but what it was is not known, and one takes the bundle and throws it upon the Bed, well, saith he, her business is done, Mrs Sarah stout courting days are over, and they sent for Wine, my Lord; so after they had drank of the Wine they talked of it, and one pulled out a great deal of Money, saith one to another, what Money have you spent to day? Saith the other, thou hast had 40 or 50 l. for thy share: Saith the other, I will spend all the money I have, for joy the business is done. My Lord, this discourse happened to be among them, which made the People of the House consider and bethink themselves, when the next day they heard of this Mrs stout being found in the water, this made them recollect and call to mind all these discourses. My Lord, after these Gentlemen had stayed there all night, next morning truly it was observed (and I suppose some account will be given of it) that Mr Cowper and they did meet together, and had several discourses, and that very day went out of Town, and I think as soon as they came to Hooddesdon, made it all their discourse and business to talk of Mrs Stout. My Lord, we will call our Witnesses, and prove all these Facts that I have opened to your Lordship, and then I hope they will be put to give you some account how all these matters came about. Call Sarah Walker (who was sworn) Mr jones, Mrs Walker pray give an account to my Lord and the Jury, of Mr Cowper's coming to your house the 13th of March, and what was done from his coming there at night to his going out. Sarah Walker. May it please you, my Lord, on Friday before the last Assizes, Mr Cowper's Wife sent a Letter to Mistress Stout, that she might expect Mr Cowper at the Assize time, and therefore we expected Mr Cowper at that time, and accordingly provided; and as he came in with the Judges, she asked him if he would alight, he said no, by reason I come in later than usual, I will go into the Town and show myself, but he would send his Horse presently; she asked him, how long it would be before he would come, because they would stay for him; he said, he could not tell, but he would send her word, and she thought he had forgot, and sent me down to know, whether he would please to come: he said, he had business, and he could not come just then, but he came in less than a quarter of an hour after, and din▪ d there, and he went away at 4 a Clock, and then my Mistress asked him, if he would lie there, and he answered yes, and he came at night about 9 a Clock, and he sat talking about half an hour, and then called for Pen, Ink and Paper, for that, as he said, he was to write to his Wife, which was brought him, and he wrote a Letter, and then my Mistress went and asked him, what he would have for Supper, he said Milk, by reason he had made a good Dinner; and I got him his Supper and he eat it, after she called me in again, and they were talking together, and then she bid me make a Fire in this Chamber, and when I had done ●…o I came and told him of it, and he looked at me, and made me no answer; then ●…he bid me warm the Bed, which accordingly I went up to do as the Clock struck 11, and in about a quarter of an hour, I heard the door, shut, and I thought he was gone to carry the Letter, and stayed about a quarter of an hour longer and came down, and he was gone and she, and Mrs Stout the Mother, asked me the reason why he went out when I was warming his Bed, and she asked me for my Mistress, and I told her, I left her with Mr Cowper, and I never saw her after that, nor did Mr Cowper return to the house. Mr jones. How long did you sit up? Walker. All night. Mr jones. What time next morning did you see her? Walker. About 7 a clock. Mr jones. In the Water, or out? Walker. Out of the Water. Mr Cowper. Pray will you recollect a little, and be very particular as to the time when I went out at night. Walker. Sir, it was a quarter after 11 by our Clock, the difference between the Town Clock and ours was half an hour. Mr Cowper. But you say by your Clock it was a quarter after 11. Walker. Yes Sir. Mr Cowper. Pray▪ what account did you give as to the time to the Coroners Inquest? Walker. I said then it was 11, or a quarter after 11, when I heard the door shut. Mr Cowper. Pray was Mistress Stout present with the Coroners Inquest when you gave that account? Walker. Yes, she was, Mr Cowper. Pray what account did you give as to the time before my L. C. J. Holt? Walker. I gave the account that it was 11, or a quarter of an hour after. Mr Cowper. In her Depositions there is half an hours difference, for than she said it was half an hour after 10. Mr Baron Hatsell. Which Clock was earliest, yours or the Town Clock? Walker. Ours was half an hour faster than theirs. Mr jones. So than it wanted a quarter of 11 by the Town Clock. Mr Cowper. How came you to know this? Walker. By reason that Dinner was dressed at the Cooks, and it was ordered to be ready by 2 a clock, and it was ready at 2 a clock by the Town clock, and half an hour after 2 by ours. Mr Cowper. When you came down and missed your Mistress, did you inquire after her all that night? Walker. No Sir, I did not go out of the doors; I thought you were with her, and so I thought she would come to no harm. Mr Cowper. Here is a whole night she gives no account of. Pray Mistress why did not you go after her? Walker. My Mistress would not let me. Mr Cowper. Why would she not let you? Walker. I said I would see for her: No, saith she, by reason if you go and see for her, and do not find her, it will make an alarm over the Town, and there may be no occasion. Mr Cowper. Did your Mistress use to stay out all night? Walker. No, never. Mr Cowper. Have not you said so? Walker. I never said so in my life▪ Mr Cowper. Pray Mrs Walker did you never take notice that your Mistress was under Melancholy? Walker. I don't say but she was melancholy; she was ill for some time, and I imputed it to her illness, and I know no other cause. Mr Cowper. Have you not often told people that your Aeistress was a melancholy person, upon your Oath? Walker. I have said she hath been ill, and that made her melancholy. Mr Cowper. I will ask you this question, Pray did you ever purchase any Poison, more or less, within these twelvemonths? Walker. Yes Sir, I did so, and can tell what it was for. Mr Cowper. By whose order? Walker. By my own order. Mr Cowper. Did you buy Poison but once, upon your Oath? Walker. I believe I might buy twice. Mr Cowper. Where? Walker. Of Mr Ludman. Mr Cowper. Both times there? Walker. Yes. Mr Cowper. Of him? Walker. No, of the young man. Mr Cowper. Did you ever buy any Poison at Luto●…? Walker. No. Mr Cowper. Did you ever buy any by your Mistress' order, or of one Mrs Crook, upon your Oath? Walker. No, I never did. Mr Cowper. Pray at what time was it you bought this Poison you speak of? Walker. I can't remember. Mr Cowper. Pray recollect yourself. Walker. It was within this half year to be sure. Mr Cowper. What was the name of the Poison you asked for? Walker. I asked for White Mercury. Mr Cowper. She saith, I passed by her Mistress' house, and went directly to Mr Banefoo●…'s, pray did not you come to Mr Barefoot's after me? Walker. Yes Sir. Mr. Cowper. Pray did you give the same account before the Coroner, when this matter was enquired into, that you have now done? Walker. Yes I did as near as I can tell. Mr Cowper. Did you give this account in substance? Walker. Yes I did. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Mr Cowper, I suppose you don't mean in relation to the Poison. Mr Cowper. My Lord I mean in relation to so much of the evidence which she now gives, and particularly respects me. For what end or purpose did you buy it? Walker. I bought it to poison a Dog. Mr Cowper. Why should you poison the Dog? Walker. It was a Dog that used to haunt our House that did us a great deal of mischief, but that did not do, so I bought it a 2d time. Mr Cowper. Who gave it to the Dog? Walker. 'Twas another maid did give it the Dog. MrCowper. Why did you then swear it was given the Dog. Walker. Sir I saw it given. Mr Cowper. Did your Mistress know of it? Walker. Yes she did know of it afterwards. Mr Cowper. How did you give it? Walker. In warm Milk. Mr Cowper. How did the Milk look? Walker. It did not look discoloured in the least. Mr Bar. Hatsell You said just now your Mistress was ill, and that made her melancholy, what illness was it? Walker. My Lord, she had a great pain in her head. Mr Bar. Hatsell. How long had she been troubled with it? Walker. Ever since last May was twelvemonths was the beginning of it. Mr jones. Did you ever find her in the least inclined to do herself a mischief? Walker. No I never did. Mr Cowper. You bought Poison twice, did you give all the Poison you bought to the Dog? Walker. Yes. Mr Cowper. The first and the last? Walker. Yes the whole. Mr Cowper. How much did you buy? Walker. I am not certain how much I bought. Mr Cowper. Pray what mischief did it do the Dog? Walker. I cannot tell, he may be alive till now for aught I know. Mr Cowper. What mischief did the Dog do? Walker. A great deal, he threw down several things and broke them. Mr jones. Did Mr Cowper upon your Oath, hear Mistress Stout give you order to make his Fire and warm his Bed? Walker. He knows best, whether he heard it or no; but he sat by her when she spoke it. Mr jones. Did she speak it so as he might hear? Walker. Yes she did, for he was nearer than I Mr jones. And did not he contradict it? Walker. Not in the least. Mr jones. Was it the old or young woman, that gave you the order? Walker. The young woman Mr Cowper. Pray did the Dog lap it, or did you pour it down his Throat, upon your Oath? Walker. No he leapt it upon my Oath. Mr jones. Did Mr Cowper send for his Horse from your house the next day? Walker. I can't say that, I was not in the way. Mr jones. Did he come to your House afterwards? Walker. No I am sure he did not. Mr jones. Was the Horse in your Stable when it was sent for? Walker. Yes Sir. Mr jones. And he did not come to your House again, before he went out of Town? Walker. No Sir. Mr jones. Do you know which way he went out of Town? Walker. No Sir. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Did Mr Cowper use to lodge at your house at the Assizes? Walker. No my Lord, not since I came there, the Sessions before he did. Mr Cowper. Where did you come to invite me to dinner? Walker. At Mr Barefoot's. Mr Cowper. Then you knew I was to lodge there? Mr Bar. Hatsell. Who wrote the Letter on Friday, that Mr Cowper would lodge there? Walker. I know not who wrote it, his Wife sent it. Mr jones. Did he tell you he would lodge there that night before he went away? Walker. When he went from Dinner he said so. Mr jones. Call james Berry (who was sworn) Now, my Lord, we will give Evidence of the manner, how she was found. Mr Berry do you remember when Mrs Stout was found by your Mill? Perry. No indeed I do not know just what day it was. Mr jones. When you found her, do you remember how▪ in what manner she was found? Berry. Yes, I went out in the morning to shoot a flash of water by 6 a Clock, and. I saw something a floating in the water, so I went out to see what it was, and I saw part of her clothes. Mr jones. Did you see her Face? Berry. No, not then. Mr jones. Was her face under water, or above? Berry. No part of her body was above water, only some part of her clothes. Mr jones. How many foot deep might the water be? Berry. 5 foot deep. Mr jones. And how much was she under water, do you conceive? Berry. She might be under water about 5 or 6 inches. Mr jones. Then her whole body was not under water, was it? Berry. Yes. Mr jones. Was her face under water? Berry. Yes. Mr Baron Hatsell. Did she lie upon her face, or her back? Berry. She lay upon her side. Mr jones. When she was taken out were her eyes open or shut? Berry. Her eyes were open. Mr jones. Was she swelled with water? Berry. I did not perceive her swelled; I was amazed at it, and did not so much mind it as I should. Mr jones. But you remember her eyes were staring open? Berry. Yes. Mr jones. Did you see any marks or bruises about her? Berry. No. Mr Cowper. Did you see her legs? Berry. No, I did not. Mr. Cowper. They were not above water? Berry. No. Mr Cowper. Could you see them under water? Berry. I did not so much mind it. Mr Cowper. Did she lie strait or double, driven together by the stream? Berry. I did not observe. Mr Cowper. Did you not observe weeds and trumpery under her? Berry. There was no weeds at that time thereabouts? Mr jones. Was the water clear? Berry. No, it was thick water. Mr jones. Was there any thing under her in the water, to prevent her sinking? Berry. No, I do not know there was, she lay on her right side, and her right arm was driven between the stakes, which are within a foot of one another. Mr jones. Did any thing hinder her from sinking? Berry. Not that I saw▪ Mr jones. Did you help to take her out from the stakes? Berry. No. Mr jones. Call john Venables. Mr Cowper. Mr Berry, if I understand you right, you say her right arm was driven between the stakes, and her head between the stakes, could you perceive her right arm, and where was her left arm? Berry. Within a small matter upon the water. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Did you see her head and arm between the stakes? Berry. Yes, her arm by one stake, and her head by another. Mr jones. Did the arm hang down, or how? Berry. I did not mind so much as I might have done? Then john Venables was sworn. Mr jones. Did you see Mrs Stout, when she was taken out of the water, and as she lay in it? Venables. Yes. Mr jones. Give an account how you found her. Venables. She was floating upon the water. Mr jones. How? was all her body, or what part in the water? Venables. She lay upon her right side, and this arm upon the water, rather above the water, her ruffles were above the water. Mr jones. Did you help to take her out? Venables. No Sir. Mr jones. Were her eyes open then? Venables. Her eyes were open when I saw her, but I did not see her when she was t●…ken out. Mr jones. Did any thing hinder her from sinking? Venables. I saw nothing to hinder her if she would have sunk. Mr jones. Call Leonard del (who was sworn) Did you see this Mrs Stout in the Water? Dell. Yes. Mr jones. Pray tell us in what posture she was found. Dell. I saw her floating in the River, I saw her Face and her clothes. Mr jones. Were her clothes all above the water, Dell. Her Stays and her Coat that she had next her. Mr jones. Were these plainly above the water? Dell. Some part of them. Mr jones. Did you see her face, was that above the Water? Dell. No Sir, it was between the Piles, she lay on her right side, and her head was between the stakes, and her right arm. Mr jones. Did you help to take her out of the water? Dell. Yes▪ M jones. Did any thing hinder her from sinking? Dell. Neither stakes nor any thing there. Mr jones. Did her arms or neck stick to the stakes? Dell. Not to my thinking. Mr jones. Was the water clear, or weedy. Dell. It was very clear. Mr jones. How many foot deep was it? Dell. I know not, but it might be 5 foot deep. Mr jones. Did you help to take her out of the water? Dell. Yes Sir, and we took her and carried her into the meadow just by, and laid her on the bank. Mr jones. Did you observe her face, neck or arms to be bruised? Dell. I saw no bruise at all. Mr Cowper. How did you know but her right arm did reach to the ground, since you did not see it? Dell. We could see her arm lie in this manner between the Piles, the right arm was downwards, for she lay on one side. juryman. Did you see any arm above in the water? Dell. No. Mr Baron Hatsell. You should propose your questions to the Court. jury man. My Lord, I desire to know where was her left arm. Mr Baron Hatsell. Where was her left arm? Dell. I can't tell how it did lie, I did not observe it. Mr Baron Hatsell. When you took her out of the water did you observe her body swelled? Dell. We carried her into the meadow, and laid her on the bank side, and there she lay about an hour, and then was ordered to be carried into the Miller's. Mr Baron Hatsell. Did you observe that any water was in her body? Dell. None at all that I could see, but there was some small matter of froth came from her mouth and nostrils. juryman. My Lord, I desire to know whether her Stays were laced? Dell. Yes she was laced. Mr Cowper. If I take you right, you say she was straight laced. Dell. Her Stays were laced. Mr Cowper. And you say there was froth and foam came out of her mouth and nostrils? Dell. Yes Sir. Mr jones. Pray what quantity? Dell. I could hold it all in the palm of my hand. Mr Cowper. How was she taken out of the water? Dell. My Lord, we stood upon the Bridge, I and another man, where she lay, and he laid hold of her, and took her out. Mr jones. And did you not perceive she was hung? Dell. No, my Lord. Mr Cowper. Pray where was she laid when she was taken out? del In the place called the Hoppers just by. Mr▪ Cowper. How long did she lie there? Dell. About an hour. Mr Cowper. Did you stay there all that time? Dell. Yes. Mr Cowper. And did the froth continue to issue from her mouth and nostrils? Mr Bar. Hatsell. He told you, Mr Cowper, he could hold it all on the palm of his hand. Mr jones. Call john Ulfe. (who was sworn) john Ulfe, did you see Mrs Stout when she was taken out of the water? Ulfe. Yes. Mr jones. Give an account of the condition she was in. Ulfe. She lay on one side, I helped to take her out. Mr jones. Did she hang or stick by any thing? Ulfe. There was nothing at all to hold her up; she lay between a couple of stakes, but the stakes could not hold her up. Mr jones. Did you see her after she was taken out? Ulfe. Yes. Mr jones. Did any water come out of her? Ulfe. Nothing at all, only a little froth came out of her nostrils. Mr jones. Call▪ Kath. Dew. (who was sworn.) Did you see Mrs Stout taken out of the River? Dew. Yes. Mr jones. Did you see her in the River before? Dew. Yes Sir. Mr jones. How did she lie in the River? Dew. She lay side way with her Eyes open, and her Teeth clenched in her hea●…, with water flowing a little from her face, some part of her and her Petticoats w●…e above water. Mr jones. Did nothing hold her from sinking? Dew. Her right arm lay against the stake. Mr jones. Did you see her after she was taken out of the River? Dew. Yes Sir. Mr jones. Was she swelled? Dew. I did not perceive she was swelled at all. Mr jones Did you handle he? Dw▪ No I touched nothing but her Petticoat. Mr jones. Did you observe her Legs were in the water? Dew. No I did 〈◊〉 Mr Cowper. Did you see where her right arm was? Dew. I could not see her right arm, the water flowed over it. Mr Cowper. Did you see her after this time? Dew. No Sir, I saw her taken out, but not afterward. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Did you see her after she lay on the ground? Dew. Yes my Lord. Mr Bar. Hatsell. How was she then? Dew. She purged at the Nose and one of her Eyes, I did not take particular notice after she was out, the notice I took was when she was in the water. Mr Bar. Hatsell. What did you see at her Eye? Dew. Froth, my Lord. Mr jones Did you see her after she was stripped naked? Dew. No my Lord▪ Mr jones. Was it a settled frothing, or a purging? Dew A purging froth. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Did any body wipe it off? Dew. No, my Lord, I did not see any body do it. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Then there was no new froth come? Dew. No my Lord, I saw her froth at the Nose and one of the Eyes, as soon as she was taken out, but I did not stay long. Mr Cowper. Was she in her Stays? Dew. Yes Sir. Mr Cowper. Was she not laced? Dew. Yes she was laced before and behind. Mr jones. Call Thomas Dew (who was sworn) Did you see this Mrs Stout in the water? Pray give my Lord and the Jury an account what posture she was in. Dew. I saw her lying in the water floating, above the water I will not say, but the water ran some small matter over her, her right arm was wi●…hin the stake, and her left arm without, she lay just upon her side, and I saw her when she was first taken up and her Shoes and Stockings were as clean as when they were put on, no mud nor dirt upon them, and I saw her Shoes and her Stockings, as high as her knee almost▪ but I saw no dirt. Mr jones. Do you believe that she had been sunk to the bottom? Dew. She di●… not look as if she had▪ nor I see no water come from her. Mr jones. Did you observe, that she was swelled at all? Dew. No, nor swelled that I perceiv▪ d abit, there was a little froth that came out of her Nose, and about her (I can't say from her ●…ye) in that it was a small quantity. Mr jones Call Mr Edward Blackno. (who was sworn) Did you see Mrs Stout, when she lay in the water? Blackno. Yes I did see her lie in the water floating, I was so near, that I saw the Miller's man lift her up by one of her arms out of the water. Mr jones. Was the arm bend or strait? Blackno. It hung in this manner (showing the Court how with his own arm.) Mr Bar. Hatsell. The other Witnesses said, she lay on her right side. Blackno. Yes she lay on her right side, and her arm in this manner. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Did you observe her to be swelled? Blackno. I did not see her taken out. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Did you observe any thing to hinder her from sinking? Blackno. No I did not, nothing but the water. Mr Cowper. I think Sir, if I heard you right, you say, that this taking by the arm and stirring her, was before she was taken out of the water, than I would know after she was stirred was she let go again, was you by at the taking of her up? Blackno. No I was not. Mr. Bar Hatsell. He told you she was floating when he saw her, and that nothing hindered her from sinking. Then William Edmunds and William Page were sworn. Mr jones. Edmund's did you see Mrs Stout when she was in the water? Edmund's. Yes Sir. Mr jones. Give an account what posture she was in? Edmund's. She lay against the stake, her heah lay against the stake in the River, we were coming up in a Barge, and called to a Miller to draw the water, but he said he could not, for than she would swim through, and then we came on, and see her lie in the water. Mr jones. Did any thing hinder her from sinking? Edmund's. Not that I see. Mr jones. Did no part of her legs or arms stick? did you see her taken out? Edmund's. No I did not, I was gone, I did not know whether they would take her out or no. Mr jones. Page, did you see Mrs Stout upon the water? Page. Yes Sir. Mr jones. Tell us how she lay. Page. She lay floating in the water on her right side, with her head between the stakes. Mr jones. Did her Arms or clothes, or any thing stick? Page. Not that I saw. Mr jones. Did any thing hinder her from sinking? Page. I saw nothing. Mr Cowper. Did you see her legs or knees? Page. No I could not, they were not out of the water. Mr jones. Swear Srs Ann Ulfe (which was done) Did you see Mrs Stout in the water? Ulfe. Yes I helped to pull her out, she lay on one side in the water floating, and the water came over her face. Mr jones. Did she stick by any thing? Ulfe. One of her arms was about the post. Mr jones. How? Ulfe. It got through the grate. Mr jones. But it did not hang. Ulfe. No. Mr jones. Did you take her out? Ulfe. Yes Sir. Mr jones. Did you mind her clothes? Ulfe. Yes I turned up her petticoat in the water. Mr jones. Had she Gloves on? Ulfe. No Sir. Mr jones. How were her Shoes and Stockings? Ulfe. They were not muddy, her Stockings were rolled down, she had no Garters on. Mr Cowper. You say, one arm lay through the stakes, where lay the other? Ulfe. The other was down in the water. (William How was sworn.) Mr jones. Did you see Mrs Stout in the water? How. Yes Sir, I see her lie upon the water, she lay afloat▪ she might lie 3 or 4 inches deep in the water. Mr jones. Did any of her clothes lie above the water? How. Some part of her Coats lay above the water. Mr jones. Did any thing hinder her from sinking? How. I saw nothing, I saw them take her out, and did not perceive she hung any way, she lay with one arm, and her head in the grate, but I did not perceive she hung. john Meager sworn. Mr jones. Well, do you give an account of what you know of Mrs Stout being in the water? Meager. I see Mrs Sarah Stout floating in the water, her right arm in the grate, and her left arm with the stream. Mr jones. Did she hang or stick by any thing? Meager. No, neither hang nor stick, she floated. Mr Cowper. Did you see some body go through the Blue-coat building about 11 a clock? Meager. No Sir, I was a-bed before 9 Mr jones. Now, my Lord, we will give an account how she was when she was stripped, and they came to view the body. Call john Dimsdale, junior. (who was sworn.) Dimsdale. My Lord, I was sent for at night on Tuesday the last Assizes— Mr Cowper. My Lord, if your Lordship pleases, I have some Physicians of note and eminency that are come down from Londón, I desire they may be called into Court to hear what these Surgeons say. Mr▪ Baron Hatsell. Ay, by all means. Mr Cowper. My Lord, there is Dr▪ Sloane, Dr Garth, Dr Morley, Dr Gilstrop, Dr Harriot, Dr Wollaston, Dr Crell, Mr William Cowper, Mr Bartlett, and Mr Camlin. (Who respectively appeared in Court.) Mr jones. Give an account how you found Mrs' Stout. Mr Baron Hatsell. You are a Physician, I suppose, Sir? Dimsdale. A Surgeon, my Lord. When I was sent for to Mrs stout, I was sent for two or three times before I would go; for I was unwilling after I heard Mrs Stout was drowned; for I thought with myself, what need could there be of me when the person was dead; but she still sent; and then I went with Mr Camlin, and found a little swelling on the side of her neck, and she was black on both sides, and more particularly on the left side, and between her Breasts up towards the Collar-bone, that was all I saw at that time, only a little mark upon one of her arms, and I think upon her left arm. Mr jones. How were her Ears? Dimsdale. There was a settling of blood on both sides the neck, that was all I saw at that time. Mr jones. How did you think she came by it? Dimsdale. Truly I only gave an account just as I say now to the Gentlemen at that time, I saw no more of it at that time, but about six weeks after the Body was opened by Dr Phillips— Mr Cowper. My Lord, he is going to another piece of Evidence, and I would ask him— Mr jones. Let us have done first; how was her Ears? Dimsdale. There was a blackness on both ears, a settling of blood. Mr jones. Call Sarah Kimpson. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Mr Cowper, now you may ask him any thing, they have done with him. Mr Cowper. I would ask him whether he was not employed to view these particular spots he mentions at the Coroners Inquest. Dimsdale. I was desired to look upon the face and arms, and breast, because they said there was a settling of blood there. Mr Cowper. When you returned to the Coroners Inquest, what did you certify as your opinion? Dimsdale. I did certify there was a settling of blood, but how it came I could not t Mr Cowper. I ask you, Sir, did not you say it was no more than a common stagnation usual in dead bodies? Dimsdale. I do not remember a word of it. Mr Cowper. Sir, I would ask you, you say the spot was about the Collar-bone▪ was it above or below? Dimsdale. From the Collar-bone downwards. Mr Cowper. Had she any Circle about her neck? Dimsdale. No, not upon my oath. Mr jones. Swear Saraeh Kimpson. Did you observe this Mrs Sarah Stout when she was stripped how her body was? Kimpson. Yes. Mr jones. Pray give an account of it. Kimpson. She had a great settlement of blood behind her left ear, as much as my hand will cover, and more, and she had a settlement of blood under her Collar-bone. Mr jones. Did you see nothing about her neck? Kimpson. Nothing round her neck; on the side of her neck there was a mark. Mr jones. Was there any other part bruised. Kimpson. Only her left wrist, and her body was very flat and lank. Mr Cowper. Pray what day was it that you saw her? Kimpson. It was the day she was found. Mr Cowper. Was she not laced? Kimpson. She was laced. Mr Cowper. Did you help to strip her? Kimpson. Yes, Sir. Mr. jones. Did her body seem to be swelled, or was there any water come from her? Kimpson. I did not observe the least drop of water that appeared any way. Mr jones. Do you know what did purge from her? Kimpson. Nothing that I saw. Mr jones Had not you a Child drowned there lately? Kimpson. Yes, about ten weeks ago. Mr jones. And you found her? Kimpson. She was drowned at night, and we found her next morning. Mr jones. Where did you find her, at the top or at the bottom of the water Kimpson. At the bottom. Mr jones. How was she? Kimpson. She was swelled as much as she could hold. Mr jones. Were her eyes shut or open? Kimpson. Her eyes were shut, and the Child was laced as tied as the Coat could be. Mr jones. Was the Child opened? Kimpson. Yes. Mr jones. And what was in the body of the Child? Kimpson. 'Twas very full of water. Mr jones. Call Sarah Peppercorn. Mr Cowper. You say you viewed the Child, had it any settlement of blood? Kimpson. I saw none. Mr Cowper. And you viewed the body? Kimpson. Yes. (Then Sarah Peppercorn was sworn.) Mr jones. Did you see the body of Mrs Sarah Stout after it was stripped and laid out? Peppercorn. I did Sir. Mr jones. In what condition did you find her? Peppercorn. I did not see her till she was brought home to her Mothers, and there was a rumour in the Town, that she was with Child, and I was sent for to give an account whether she were or ●…o, and I found she was not, and I helped to pull off her clothes, and she was very clear as any I ever knew, only had a black place on the side of her head, and in another place about her ear, but how it came I know not. Mr jones. Did you observe how her body was? Peppercorn. Her body was very well as any Woman's could be. Mr jones. Did your observe any water, or any such thing come from her? Peppercorn. No, Mr jones. Was there any purging at her mouth ornost Peppercorn. A little froth, as any body might have. Mr Cowper. At what hour did you see her? Peppercorn. I believe it might be 9 or 10 a Clock. Mr Bar. Hatsell. In the morning▪ Peppercorn. Yes, Sir, but I can't give a just account of the time. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. What was you sent for? Peppercorn. To know if she was with Child; for it was reported she had drowned herself because she was with Child, and so her mother desired me to come to give an account that it was not so, and I found that it was not so. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. You are a Midwife, are you not? Peppercorn. Yes, my Lord, Then Eliz. Husler was sworn. Mr jones. Had you the view of the body of Mrs Sarah Stout the day you heard she was drowned? Husler. She was not drowned, my Lord, I went thither and helped to pull off her clothes. Mr jones. In what condition washer body? Husler. Her body was very lank and thin, and no water appeared to be in it. Mr jones. Was there any water about her mouth and nose? Husler. Not when I saw her. Mr jones. Did you mind her about her neck and head? Husler. Yes, Yes, there was a settling of blood at the top of the Collar bone, just here, and there was a settling of blood upon both her ears, most about her left ear. Mr. jones. Swear Ann Pilkinton, (which was done.) Did you see the body of Mrs Stout after she was drowned? Pilkington. Yes Sir. Mr jones. Pray in what condition was she when she was stripped? Pilkington. I was in the house when she was brought in dead, and old Mrs Stout desired me to help to lay her out, and taking a view of her, I did not at all perceive her body to be swelled. Mr jones. Was there any water came our upon the moving of it? Pilkington. No, I did not perceive any; and by a further view, I saw a redness on the left side of her head, and her ear was black, and there was a little mark upon her breast on the left side. Mr jones. What colour was it of? Pilkington. It seemed reddish and blackish, as to colour it was like a settling of blood; I can't tell how to make it out very well. Mr Cowper. Had she any circle round about her neck? Pilkington. No, not that I see. Mr Cowper. Pray did not you make some deposition to that purpose, that you know of? Pilkington. Sir, I never did, and dare not do it. Mr Cowper. It was read against me in the Kings▪ Bench, and I will prove it, was not Mr Meade with you at the time of your examination? Pilkington. Yes. Mr Cowper. Did not he put in some words, and what were they? Pilkington. Not that I know of. Mr Cowper. But you never swore so, upon your Oath? Pilkington. No, I don't believe I did, if I did it was ignorantly. Mr jones. Here is her examination, it is cross her neck. Mr Cowper. Was Mr Young of Hertford, the Constable, present when you were examined? Pilkington. Yes he was so. The next day Mrs Stout sent for me again, to put on be Daughter's shroud, and I was one that helped to draw the sheet away, and there was no●… one drop of water come from her, and I laid a cloth under her Chin▪ when I helped her into the Coffin, but I did see the least moisture come from her. Mr Cowper. What day was it, that you put her into the Coffin? Pilkington. The next day after she was dead. Mr Cowper. Do you know nothing of her being conveyed into the Barn? Pilkington. I happened to be in the B●…rn, Mrs Stout desired me to go with her, and she was brought up in an indecent manner, and I put a sheet about her. I was in Mrs Stout's house before her daughter was brought thither. Mr. jones. Call Dr Coatsworth, Dr Nailer, Dr Woodhouse, Dr Bid●…. Mr Coatsworth was sworn. Mr jones. Pray▪ Doctor, had you a view of the body of Mrs Stout? Coatsworth. Yes, I had, Sir, I am a Surgeon. Mr jones. Pray give an account of it, and what your opinion was how she came by her death. Coatsworth. My Lord, in April last I was sent for by Dr Philip's, to come to Hartford to see the body of Mrs Stout opened, who had been 6 weeks buried, and he told me that there was a suspicion she was murdered, and that her Relations were willing to have her taken up and opened. I came down, I think on the 27th of April, and lay at Mrs stout house that night, and by her discourse I understood she wanted to be satisfied, whether her Daughter was with Child. I told her it was my opinion we should find the parts contained in the Abdomen so rotten, that it would be impossible to discover the Uterus from the other parts; however, if she would have her opened▪ I could not discover whether she was with Child unless the Infant was become boney. Her face and neck to her shoulders appeared black and so much corrupted, that we wore unwilling to proceed any further; but however her mother would have it done, and so we did open her, and as soon as she was opened we perceived the Stomach and Guts were as full of wind, as if they had been blown with a pair of Bellows▪ we put her Guts aside, and came to the Uterus, and Dr filips showed it us in his hand, and afterwards cut it out and laid it on the Table, and opened it, and we saw into the cavity of it, and if there had been any thing there as minute as a hair, we might have seen it, but it was perfectly free and empty; and after that he put the Intestines into their places, and we bid him open the Stomach, and it was opened with an Incision Knife, and it sunk flat, and let out wind, but no water; afterwards we opened the Breast and Lobes of the Lungs, and there was no water; then we looked on each side, and took up the Lobes of the Lungs too, to see if there was no Water in the Diaphragm, and there was none, but all dry. Then I remember, I said this woman could not be drowned, for if she had taken in water, the water must have rotten all the Guts; that was the construction I made of it then, but for any marks about her head and neck, it was impossible for us to discover it because they were so rotten. Mr Cowper. You say, this inspection was made about six weeks after she was dead? Coatsworth. It was made on the 28th of April. Mr Cowper. She was drowned on the 13th of March. Mr. jones. Did you make an incision into those parts of the neck and head. Coatsworth. No, I told Mrs Stout and her Son, if you imagine the Skull to be injured▪ I will open the Head, for if the scalp be never so rotten, yet if the Skull has suffered any impression I shall discover it, they said, they did not suspect a broken Skull in the case, and so we did not examine it. Mr jones. But all the other parts were sound? Coatsworth. Yes sound to a miracle, for I did not imagine we could find them so. Mr jones. Call john Dimsdale. Mr Cowper. My Lord, I would know, and I desire to be heard to this point; I think where the Coroners Inquest have viewed the body, and the relations have been heard, and the Body buried, that it is not to be stirred afterwards for any private inspection of parties, that intent to make themselves Prosecutors, but if it is to be taken up, it is to be done by some legal authority, for if it should be otherwise▪ any Gentleman may be easily trepann●…, for instance, if they should have thought fit after the Coroners View to have broken the Skull into a hundred pieces. This was a private view altogether among themselves, certainly if they intended to have prosecuted me, or any other Gentleman upon this Evidence, they ought to have given us notice, that we might have had some Surgeons amongst them, to supper intent their proceedings. My Lord, with submission▪ this ought not to be given in Evidence. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Mr Cowper I think you are not in earnest, there is no colour for this objection, if they did take up the body without notice, why should not that be Evidence, unless you think they had a design to forswear themselves. Mr Cowper. Had you a Melius Inquirendum, or any lawful wartant for making this inspection? Coatsworth. No there was not. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Suppose they did an ill thing in taking up the body without some order, though I don't know any more ill in taking up that body than any other; but however, is that any reason why we should not hear this evidence. Coatsworth. Mr Camblin, Sir William Cowpers Surgeon was thereby. Mr jones. Call Mr Dimsdale Senior. (who was sworn) Had you a view of the body after it was taken up? Dimsdale. Yes. Mr▪ jones. Pray▪ give your opinion of it? Dimsdale. On the 28th of April▪ as I remember, I was sent for down by Mrs Stout, to view the body of her Daughter. Her Daughter was just taken out of the Ground but not opened, they had just touched the body, but not opened the Skin when I came there— Mr Bar. Hatsell. Are you a Surgeon? Dimsdale. Yes, my Lord. Finding her head so much mortified down to her neck, we thought all the parts were seized, and had a consultation whether we should open her or not, but Mrs Stout was very much enraged▪ because a great scandal had been raised, that her Daughter was with Child, and she said, she would have her opened to clear her reputation; with that we opened her, and found her body as found as any Flesh could be, no manner of putrefaction in her Lungs or any other part, but she was very full of Wind. We searched the Stomach and the Thorax, and found not one drop of water about it, I was more curious than the rest, and turned away her Legs, to see if the Coffin was soiled, and the Coffin and shroud were not wet. Her Uterus was taken out, and I saw no manner of sign of Conception. After this we had a consultation to consider, whether she was drowned or not drowned, and we were all of Opinion that she was not drowned, only Mr Camlin desired he might he excused from giving his opinion, whether she was drowned or not, but all the rest of us did give our opinions, that she was not drowned. Mr jones. Give your reasons, why you believed she was not drowned. Dimsdale. My reason was this, beccuse we found no water in her, her intestines were not putrified, for if there had been water in her, that would have caused a fermentation, and that would have rotten the Lungs and Guts. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Could you tell so many weeks after whether she was drowned or no? Dimsdale. Yes, my Lord, for this reason, for if she had been drowned, there had been some sign of water▪ and if there had been a pint of water it would have rotten her Lights and her Guts, and that is done in a week's time by fermentation. Mr Cowper. Sir I desire to know, whether according to reason and your skill after six week's time, it's possible, there should be water in the Thornx. Dimsdale. I do believe there may be some, for it can't come out after the body is dead, but by putrefaction, and there was no putrefaction, but it was firm and sound. Mr Bar. Hatsell. What parts would have been putrified by the water? Dimsdale. The Lungs and Bowels. Mr Bar. Hatsell. And they were firm? Dimsdale. They were, and if there had been water, they would have been putrified. Mr jones. Call john Dimsdale, Junior. juryman. Was her Navel started? Dimsdale Sen. No I never saw such a body body in my Life. Mr Cowper. Did you ever see a body that was drowned opened 6 weeks after? Dimsdale Sen. No never. If a body be drowned a fortnight, the bowels will be so rotten, there will be no coming near it, and I took particular notice, and I did not see one drop of water. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Was the Coffin close? Dimsdale Sen. Yes it was close and dry as any board whatsoever, and all the parts sound, but the head and neck, and left arm. Mr jones. What do you think could be the reason of that? Dimsdale Sen. The left arm was rottener than the other, the neck was rotten before. Mr jones. What did you take to be the cause of it? Dimsdale Sen. I can't judge of that. Call john Dimsdale, Junior. (who was sworn.) Dimsdale Jun. My Lord, the body was opened before I came to see it, and they were drawing up an Affidavit, that there was no water in the body, and they desired me to sign it, but I desired first to look into the body, and I did look into it, and turned the Intestines aside, and there was no water in it, but the head from the neck was very much putrified. Mr jones. Do you believe she was drowned? Dimsdale Jun. No, I believe not. Mr jones. Did you open the Child that was drowned? What difference was there between the body of that Child and this? Dimsdale Jun. The Child was extremely swelled in the Belly and Stomach, and had abundance of water in it. Mr jones. Was the Child laced that you opened? Dimsdale Jun. It was laid upon the Table before I came. Mr Cowper. How long was it before the Child was opened? Dimsdale Jun. It was drowned in the afternoon, and opened the next morning. Mr Cowper. You said, Sir, you was asked to sign the Affidavit before you saw the body, and you were honest, and would see the body first, pray who asked you? Dimsdale Jun. All of them did. Mr Cowper. Who in particular, if you please name them? Dimsdale Jun. Mr Coatsworth, Mr Philip's, Mr Camlin, etc. they asked me to set my hand to it, because they thought I had seen it before. Then Dr Dimsdale was sworn. Mr jones. Mr Robert Dimsdale was you at the opening of this body? Dr Dimsdale. I came after it was opened, my Brother and I came together. Mr jones. What profession are you of, a Physician? Dr Dimsdale. Yes, when the body was taken up, they desired us to be there, to inspect the body, but before we came it happened they had opened the body, and were setting their hands to a Paper, a sort of Affidavit, and when I came in, they would have had us set our hands, but we would not, till we had looked upon the body, and went and laid it open again, and we did not find the least drop of water neither in the Thorax nor Abdomen. Mr Cowper▪ Is it possible there should be water in the Thorax, according to your skill? Dr Dimsdale. Yes we did think there would have been, if she had been drowned. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Could you expect to find it, so long as six weeks after. Dr Dimsdale. We should have expected that or a putrefaction, but we found no putrefaction, neither in the Bowels nor Intestines, but only upon her Head and Shoulders, and one Arm. Mr Cowper. Pray by what passage does the water go into the Thorax. Dr Dimsdale. 'Twill be very difficult for me to describe the manner here, but we should have found some in the Stomach and Intestines. Mr Cowper. Pray Sir, how should it go into the Thorax? Dr Dimsdale. By the Lymphaduct, if carried by any means. Mr Cowper. When the party is dead, can any water pass into any part of the body? Dr Dimsdale. We opened the Abdomen of the Child that was drowned, and found in the several cavities abundance of water. Mr jones. When a person is dead can they receive any water after? Dr Dimsdale. No, for all the parts are closed and contracted. Mr Cowper. Pray if a dead body be put into the water, will not the water come into the Windpipe? Dr Dimsdale. I question whether it will or no. Mr jones. Was her mouth shut? Dr Dimsdale. She was putrified about the head and shoulders and one arm, that I saw was putrified, it was the left arm as I take it. Mr jones. What is your opinion as to her death? Dr Dimsdale. I believe if she had been drowned, there would have been a putrefaction of the Abdomen first, and it was her extreme parts, her arm, her head and her breast, that was putrified, but her Bowels seemed firm and sound. Mr jones. Then you don't think her death was by drowning? Dimsdale. No. Mr Cowper. Pray did not you give some Certificate or Paper, declaring the death of this Gentlewoman, before you saw the body at all? Dr Dimsdale. No I did not. Mr Cowper. Sir, I would ask you, was not you angry, that Mr Camlin would not join with you in opinion? Dr Dimsdale. No. Mr Cowper. Pray did not you tell him, that you were agraduate Physician, and was angry he would not join with you? Dr Dimsdale. Suppose I did. Mr Bar. Hatsell. But did you do so or no? Dr Dimsdale. Yes, my Lord, we had some words about it. Mr jones. Swear Dr Coatsworth. (which was done) Now, my Lord, we call these Gentlemen that are Doctors of skill, to know thèir opinion of them, that are found floating without water in them, how they come by their death. Dr Coatsworth. I have not seen many drowned bodies to make observation upon, but it is my opinion, that every body that is drowned is suffocated by water passing down the Wind▪ pipe into the Lungs upon inspiration, and at the same time, the water pressing upon the Gullet, there will be a necessity of swallowing a great part of it into the Stomach: I have been in danger of being drowned myself, and I was forced to swallow a great quantity of water. If a person was drowned and taken out immediately, as soon as the suffocation was effected, I should not wonder, if there were but little water in the Stomach and Guts, but if it lay in the water several hours, it must be very strange if the belly should not be full of water, but I will not say, it is impossible it should be otherwise. Mr Cowper. I desire to know whether this Gentleman attempted to drown himself, or was in danger of being drowning by accident. Dr Coatsworth. It was by accident, I was passing up the Ship side, and took hold of a loose Rope instead of the entering Rope which failing me I fell into the water. Mr Cowper. But you struggled to save yourself from drowning? Dr Coatsworth. I did so, I have seen several persons that have been drowned, and they have lain several days, until by a fermentation, they have been raise▪ d, but. I never made my observations of any persons, that have been drowned above six hours. Mr jones. Did you ever hear of any persons that as soon as they were drowned had swum above water. Dr Coatsworth I have not known such a Case. Mr Cowper. Did you ever know, Sir, a body that was otherwise killed to float upon the water? Dr Coatsworth. I never made any Observation of that. Mr Bar. Hatsell▪ Dr Brown has a learned discourse in his Vulgar Errors upon this subject, conceining the floating of dead bodies, I don't understand it myself, but he hath a whole Chapter about it. Then Dr Nailor was sworn. Mr jones. We ask you the same question that Dr Coatsworth was asked, what is your opinion of dead bodies, if a body be drowned will it have water in it or not. Dr Nailor. My Lord, I am of opinion, that it will have a quantity if it be drowned, but if there be no water in the body, I believe that the person was dead before it was put into the water. Mr Cowper. I would ask the Doctor one question, my Lord, whether he was not a constant Voter against the Interest of our Family in this Corporation? Dr Nailor. I never did come to give a Vote, but Sir William Cowper or his Son opposed me, and said, I had no right to Vote. Mr Cowper. I would have asked the same question of the Dimsdales, if I had membered it, they are of another party, as this Gentleman is▪ Mr Bar. Hatsell. It is not at all material as they are Witness Mr jones. Then call Dr Babington. (who was sworn) Mr jones. Pray what is your opinion of this matter? Mr. Babington. I am of Opinion that all Bodies that go into the Water alive, and are drowned, have Water in them, and sink as soon as they are drowned, and done't rise so soon as this Gentlewoman did. Mr. Cowper. Pray what is your Profession Sir? Mr. Babington. I am a Chirurgeon. Mr. Cowper. Because Mr. jones called you Doctor. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Did you ever see any Bodies drowned? Mr. Babington. Yes, my Lord, I once had a Gentlewoman a Patient that was half an hour under Water, and she lived several hours after, and in all that time she discharged a great quantity of Water; I never heard of any that went alive into the Water, and were drowned, that floated so soon as this Gentlewoman did, I have heard so from Physicians. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. I have heard so too, and that they are forced to tie a Bullet to dead Bodies thrown into the Sea that they might not rise again. Mr. Cowper. The reason of that is, that they should not rise again, not that they will not sink without it; but I would ask Mr. Babington whether the Gentlewoman he speaks of went into the Water Voluntarily, on fell in by Accident. Mr. Babington. By Accident, but I believe that done't alter the Case. Mr. Cowper. When a Person is casually drowned, there may be water found in them, but what is your Opinion in the Case of a Person that goes into the water with a resolution to drown himself? Will. Bab. My Opinion is, that on whatever design a Person goes into the water with, before he is half drowned he forgets his Errand. Mr. jones. Swear Dr. Burnet (which was done.) Dr. You hear what is the Matter in question, what is your Opinion of it? Dr. Burnet. My Lord, I think that if any Person fall into the Water by Accident, or throws himself in, the Body will receive Water as long as it is alive, and there are Endeavours for Respiration, and after these Endeavours are over, there is no Water will come in, for all the Parts are clossed; so consequently there must be Water in all probability found in her. Mr. jones. What do they swim or sink? Dr. Burnet. They sink, I never saw a Person drowned taken up without Water in my life, but I have seen several full of Water. Mr. Cowper. I think you say when the Faculty of Respiration ceases, no Water comes in. Dr. Burnet. Yes, that is my Opinion. Mr. Cowper. But the Water does pass into them while there are Endeavours for Respiration? Dr. Burnet. Yes, that is my Opinion. Then Dr. Woodhouse was Sworn. Mr. jones. Dr. What is your Opinion of this Matter? Dr. Woodhouse. My Opinion is, that no Person is suffocated by Water, but he must have a great deal of Water within him, a great deal of Water in the Stomach, and some in the Lungs. Mr. Cowper. Pray, Sir, did yovever open any of these Bodies? Dr. Woodhouse. Yes, I have opened a Child myself that had a great quantity of Water in it. Mr. Cowper. Did you find any quantity of Water in the Throat? Dr. Woodhouse. There was some, but a little, but a great deal in the Stomach. Mr. Cowper. Pray which way can it pass into the Thorax? Dr. Woodhouse. While the Person is struggling for Respiration, there may be a Relaxation of, and the Person must suck in Water as well as Air, and some Water may get into the Windpipe, and so enter into the Lungs. Mr. Cowper. Is there a Passage from the Lungs to the Thorax? Dr. Woodhouse. The Thorax is the Vessel wherein the Lungs lie, the Lungs in the Thorax, the Breast is the Cavity were the Lungs lie, the Wind pipe is the Conveyance to the Lungs, and a Person in Respiration takes down some Water there, but no doubt the greater quantity will be in the Stomach. Mr. Bar▪ Hatsell. Pray let me ask you a Question, some of the Witnesses said, that if a Person be drowned and lies dead a great while, the Inward●… will be putrified, what is your Opinion of it? Dr. Woodhouse. No doubt, my Lord, where Water gets into the Stomach, or wherever it is, it will putrify very soon. Mr. jones▪ Call Edward Clement (who was sworn) are not you a Seaman? E▪ Clement. Yes, Sir. Mr. jones. How long have you been so? E. Clement. Man, I have writ myself but 6 year, but I have used the Sea 9 or 10 Years. Mr. jones. Have you known of any Men that have been killed, and thrown into the Sea, or who have fallen in and been drowned; pray tell us the difference as to their swimming and sinking. E. Clement. In the Year 89, or 90, in Beachey Fight, I saw several thrown overboard, during the Engagement, but one particularly I took notice of, that was my Friend, and killed by my side, I saw him swim for a considerable distance from the Ship, and a Ship coming under ou●… Stern caused me to loose sight of him, but I saw several dead Bodies floating at the same time▪ likewise in another Engagement, where a Man had both his Legs shot off, and died instantly, they threw over his Legs, though they sunk, I saw his Body float. Likewise I have seen several M●…n who have died natural Deaths at Sea, they have when they have been dead had a considerable weight of Ballast and Shot made fast to them, and so throw them over board; because we hold it for a general Rule that all Men Swim if they be dead before they come into the Water, and on the contrary I have seen Men when they have been drowned, that they have sunk as soon as the Breath was out of their Bodies, and I could see no more of them. For Instance, a Man fell out of the Cornwall, and sunk down to rights, and seven Days afterwards we weighed Anchor, and he was brought up grasping his Arms about the Cable, and we have observed in several Cases, that where Men fall overboard, as soon as their Breath is out of their Bodies they sink downright, and on the contrary where a dead Body is thrown overboard without weight it will swim. Mr. jones. You have been in a Fight, how do Bodies float after a Battle? E. Clement. Men float with their Heads just down, and the small of their Back and Buttocks upwards, I have seen a great number of them, some hundreds in Beachey head Fight, when we Engaged the French, I was in the old Cambridge, at that time I saw several (what number I will not be positive, but they were a great number, I can't guests to a Score) that did really Swim, and I could see them float for a considerable distance. Mr. jones. Have you seen a Shipwreck? E. Clement. Yes▪ the Coronation in September 1691. I was then belonging to the Duchess, under the Command of Captain Clement, we looked out and see them taking down their Masts, we saw the Men walking up and down on the right side, and the Ship sunk down, and they swum up and down like a shoal of Fish one after another, and I see them hover one upon another, and see them drop away by scores at a time, and there was an account of about 19 that saved themselves, some by Boats, and others by Swimming; but there were no more saved out of the Ships Compliment, which was between five and six hundred, and the rest I saw sink downright, some 20 at a time. There was a Fisherman brought our Captain word, that in laying in of his Nets he drew up some Men close under the Rocks that were drowned belonging to the Coronation, we generally throw in Bags of Ballast with them. Mr. jones I suppose all Men that are drowned you sink them with Weights. E. Clement. Formerly Shot was allowed for that purpose, there used to be Threescore weight of Iron, but now 'tis a Bag of Ballast that is made fast to them. Mr. jones. Then you take it for a certain Rule that those that are drowned sink, but those that are thrown over board do not. Mr. Clement. Yes, otherwise why should the Government be at that vast Charge to allow threescore or fourscore weight of Iron to sink every Man, but only that their swimming about should not be a disencouragement to others. Then Richard Gin was Sworn. Mr. jones. You hear the Question, pray what do you say to it? R. Gin. I was at Sea a great while, and all the Men that I see turned overboard had a great weight at their Heels to sink them. Mr. jones. Then will they swim otherwise? R. Gin. So they say. Mr. jones. Are you a Seaman? R. Gin. I went against my will in two Fights. Mr. jones. Then Gentlemen of the Jury, I hope we have given you Satisfaction that Mrs. Stout did not drown herself, but was carried into the Water after she was killed. That was the first Question, for if it be true that all dead Bodies when they are put into the Water do swim, and the Bodies that go alive into the Water and are drowned do sink. This is sufficient Evidence that she came by her Death not by drowning, but some other way. Now, my Lord, as to the second Matter, and that is to give such Evidence as we have again these Gentlemen at the Bar, Mr. Cowper it appears was the last Man that any one can give an account of was in her Company. What became of her afterwards, or where they went no body can tell; but the other Witnesses have given you Evidence that he was the last Man that was with her. I shall only give this further Evidence as to Mr. Cowper, That notwithstanding all the Civility and Kindnesses that passed between him and this Family, when the bruit and noise of this Fact was spread abroad, Mr. Cowper did not come to consider and consult with old Mrs. Stout what was to be done; but he took no manner of notice of it, and the next day he road out of Town, without further taking notice of it. Call George Aldrig, and John Archer. John Archer was sworn. Mr. jones. Do you know any thing of N●…. Cowper'●… going out of Town after this Business of Mrs. stout being drowned. I. Archer. Yes, I did see him go out of Town afterwards. Mr. jones. Which way did he go? I. Archer. He went the back way from the Glove, I suppose he came that way. Mr. Cowper. What day was it I went? Is it not the way that I used to go when I go the Circuit into Essex. I. Archer. Yes, I believe so. Mr. Cowper. I Lodge▪ d at Mr. Barefoot's, and he has a back Door to the Glove, where my Horse was, and I went the direct way into Essex, and it was Wednesday morning: What day was it you see me go? ay▪ Archer. It was on the Wednesday morning. Mr. Cowper. That was the very day I went into Essex. Then George Aldridg was Sworn. Mr. jones. When did N●…. Cowper go out of Town the last Assizes? G. Aldridg. On Wednesday. Mr. jones. Which way did he go? G. Aldridg. He went the way to Chelmsford. Mr. jones. Did you not fetch his Horse from stout? G. Aldridg. Yes, Sir. Mr. jones. How often did you go for it? G. Aldridg. Three times. Mr. jones. When? G. Aldridg. On Tuesday night I sent once, and went twice myself, the first time there was no body at home to deliver the Horse, so I went to Mr. stout, and asked him about the Horse, and he said he could not deliver him▪ till the Maid went home, and then I went about 11 of the Clock and had the Horse. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Was it a 11 at night? G. Aldridg. Yes, my Lord. Mr. Cowper. When I sent you to fetch my Horse; what Directions did I give you? G. Aldridg. You gave me Directions to fetch your Horse, because you said you should have occasion to go out next morning betimes with the Judge. Mr Cowper. The reason I sent for my Horse, was this, when I heard she had drowned herself, I think it concerned me in Prudence to send a common Ostler for him, for fear the Lord of the Nannor should seize all that was there as forfeited. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. There was no danger of that, for she was found non compos mentis. Mr. Cowper. No, my Lord, I sent before the Verdict. Mr. jones. It seems you did not think ●…it to go and take Horse there yourself, though you put your Horse there? Now, my Lord, we will go on and give the other Evidence that we opened concerning these 3 other Gentlemen that came to Town, two of them took Lodgings at Gurrey's at 5 in the Afternoon, but did not come in till between 11 and 12, and then they brought another in with them, and though he had been in Town 5 or 6 hours his Feet were wet and his Shoes, and his Head was of a reaky Sweat, he had been at some hard Labour I believe, and not drinking himself into such a Sweat. Call John Gurrey. Martha Gurrey, and Eliz. Gurrey. John Gurry was Sworn. Mr. jones. Do you know any of the Gentlemen at the Bar? I. Gurrey. Yes. Mr. jones. Name who you know? I. Gurrey. There is Mr. Stevens, Mr. Rogers, and Mr. Marson. Mr. jones. Pray do you remember when they took Lodgings at your House? I. Gurrey. The last Assizes, when they first came there was only Mr. Stevens and Mr▪ Rogers. Mr. jones. At what time did they take it? I. Gurrey. I was at Church and can't tell that, they hired the Lodging of my Wife. Mr. jones. What can you say more? I. Gurrey. I was in at night when they came, there came 3 of them at 11 at night whereof Mr. Marson was the third Person, and he said he was destitute of a Lodging, and he asked for a spare Bed, my Wife told them she had one, but had left it, whereupon Mr. Stevens and Nr. Rogers said he should Lodge with them, so they went up altogether, and they called for a Fire to be kindled, and asked for the Landlord, which was I, and they asked me to fetch a Bottle of Wine, and I told them I would fetch a Quart, which I did, and then they asked me to sit down and drink with them, which I did, and then they asked me if one Mrs. Sarah Stout did not live in Town, and whether she was a Fortune, I said yes, than they said they did not know how to come to the sight of her, and I said I would show them her to morrow morning, not questioning but I might see her some time as she was coming down the Street▪ so they said they would go to see her. Mr. Rogers, and Nr. Stevens charged Nr. Marson with being her old Sweatheart, saith Mr. Marson, she hath thrown me off, but a Friend of mine will be even with her by this time. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. What a Clock was it then? I. Gurrey. I reckon a 11 of the Clock when they came in▪ Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Did you observe in what Condition Mr. Marson was in? I. Gurrey. I did not observe, only that he was hot and put by his Wig, I see his Head was wet, and he said he was just come from London, and that made him in such a heat. Mr. jones. Had he Shoes or Boots on? I. Gurrey. I did not observe that. Mr. jones. What did they do the next day? I. Gurrey. The next morning I heard this Party was in the Water, I sat up all night, and was fain to wait till my Daughter came down to look after the Shop, and then I went to see her, and she was removed into the Barn, and they were wiping her Face, closing her Eyes, and putting up her Jaws, and as I came back these Persons were walking, and I met Mr. Marson, and Nr. Stevens, and told them the News, said I, this Person is come to a sad Accident, say they, ●…o we hear, but nevertheless we will be as good as our word, and go and see her, I went with them and overtook Mr. Rogers, and Marson said we are a going to see Mrs. Stout, O Landlord, said Rogers, you may take up that Rogue (pointing at Mr. Marson) for what he said last night, but I did not think they speaking so jocularly that there was any Suspicion of their being concerned in the Murder. A second time I went, the Barn door was locked▪ I knocked, and they opened it and let us in, and they uncovered her Face to let me see her, and I touched her, and looking about for them they were gone, and I can't say they see her or touched her, than Mr. Marson and they were consulting how to send a great Coat to London, and I directed them to a Coachman at the Bell●… inn, but I did not h●…ar he went to inquire after the Coachman, than they went to your Lordship's Chamber, and I went home, and about 11 of the Clock I saw Mr. Marson, and Mr. Stevens▪ coming down with Mr. Spencer Cowper. Mr. Marson. I did not go out that Night after I came in. Mr. jones. No, we agree that, did you see Mr. Cowper and these Gentlemen together? I. Gurrey. Only at a 11 of the Clock on Tuesday noon, Mr. Cowper, Mr. Marson, Mr. Stevens were coming down to the Market place. Mr. jones. Did not they ta●…e their leave of you when they went away from you that Forenoon? I. Gurrey. No, only in the morning they told me they would send me wo●… at Noon if they i●…ended to lodge there. Mr. Marson. I desire to know of Mr. Gurrey, if his Sister was not in ●…he Room when came in. I. Gurrey. She was in our House that Day, but whether when they came, I can't tell. Mr. Cowper. Pray have not you had some Discourse with your Sister the Widow Davis, concerning some Suspicion that you had of Sarah Walker, that hath been produced a●… a Witness? I. Gurrey. I don't remember any such. Mr. Cowper. Then did not you say these words? We must not concern ourselves with Sarah Walker, for she i●… the only Witness against the Cowpers. I. Gurrey. I can't remember any such thing. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. You must answer according to the best of what you remember, if you say you have forgotten when you have not, you are forsworn. Mr. Cowper. If your Lordship pleases to give leave to Mr. Gurrey to recollect himself. I ask him whether he did not talk with his Sister Davis about some suspicion Wife and he had about Sarah Walker the maid Servant of the deceased? I. Gurrey. I believe there might be some talk of a Person that was seen to go into the Churchyard at some distance with Sarah Walker. Mr. Cowper. Did your Wife say that she did suspect that Person? I. Gurrey. Yes. Mr. Cowper. Did your Wife say they behaved themselves strangely, and that she would have persuaded the Widow Blewit to have watched her? I. Gurrey. There was something of that. Mr. Cowper. Was there not some such Words that they must not meddle with Sarah Walker? for she is the Witness against the Cowpers. I. Gurrey. I said do not concern yourself with Sarah Walker for fear of taking off her Evidence. Mr. Cowper. Pray did not the Widow Davis warm the Sheets for these Gentlemen? I. Gurrey. She was with my Wife, but I can't say whether she warmed the Sheets. Mr. Cowper. When they came home had you any Lodgers that wanted to come home? had not you one Gape? I. Gurrey. I can't say whether he was in before or after them. Mr. Cowper. Did not you say to your Sister Davis? Now these Gentlemen are in Bed, if Mr. Gape would come home our Family would be quiet. I. Gurrey. I do not remember that. Mr. Cowper. Pray did not you go to look for Mr. Gape? I. Gurrey. Yes, I went to Hockleys. Mr. Cowper. Who did you employ to speak to Mr. Gape to come home? I. Gurrey. Mrs. Hockley. Mr. Cowper. When you came home to your own House, and after you had been at Hockleys to speak with Mr. Gape, what account did you give of the time of Night, and other particulars? J. Gurrey. I gave no account of the time. Mr. Cowper. Not to Mrs. Davis? I. Gurrey. I can't tell whether I did or no. Mr. Cowper. Did not you say Mr. Gape asked Mrs. Hockley what a Clock it was? J. Gurrey. No, I don't remember that, but Mrs. Hockley went in and told him what time of Night it was, it was Eleven or Twelve of the Clock whether I can't say. Mr. Jones. Call Martha Gurrey (who was Sworn) which of these Gentlemen do you know? Mrs. Gurrey. Mr. Marson, Mr. Rogers, and Mr. Stevens. Mr. jones. What time of the Night was it when they came to your House, give an Account of it, and of what you heard them say? Mrs. Gurrey. It was a little after Five or thereabouts, that they came— Mr. Jones. Who came? Mrs. Gurrey. Mr. Stevens, and Mr. Rogers, and there was one Mr. Gilbert that married a first Cousin of mine, he came and asked me for my Husband, and I asked him his Business, and he said he wanted to speak with him.— Mr. Jones. Pray come to these Men, when did they come to your House. Mrs. Gurrey. They hired the Lodging at Five of the Clock, when they first came to see them, I was not at home, Mr. Gilbert brought them, and as I was coming along the Street, I saw Mr. Gilbert walking off, and would not look at me.— Mr. jones. When did they go out? Mrs. Gurrey. They never stayed there. Mr. jones. When did they come in again? Mrs. Gurrey. Between 11 and 12. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. What did they do when they came in? Mrs. Gurrey. I was laying on some Sheets two pair of Stairs when they came, and then there was three of them; so they saw me a little after and begged my excuse for bringing in another▪ for they said it was so late they could not get a Lodging any where else, and said if I thought fit the Gentleman should lie with them, and I told them I liked it very well. Mr. jones. What Firing had they? Mrs. Gurrey. The Firing I laid on in the Morning, and they sent for my Husband to fetch them some Wine. Mr. Jones. What did you hear them talk on? Mrs. Gurrey. They discoursed with my Husband, and asked him if he knew Mrs. Sarah Stout, and one of them said to Mr. Marson, I think she was an old Sweatheart of yours, ay saith he, but she turned me off, but a Friend of mine is even with her; and Mr. Rogers said he was in with her, and afterwards said her Business was done; they had a Bundle that was wrapped in a pure white Cloth (like to an Apron) but I can't say it was an Apron, and there was a Parcel hanging loose by it, and when he laid it down, he said, he would pass his Word Mrs. Sarah Stouts Courting days were over, and I said, I hoped it was no hurt to the Gentlewoman, and then I looking upon Mr. Marson, I saw him put his Peruke aside, and his Head reaked, and he told them he was but just come from London that Night, which made him disappointed of a Lodging. Mr. Jones. What did you hear them say about any Money. Mrs. Gurrey. I asked them how they would have their Bed warmed, and Mr. Marson answered very hot, and with that I went down to send my Daughter up, and she could not go presently, I told her than she must go as soon as she could. Mr. Bar. Hatsells Pray don't tell us what passed between you and your Daughter, what do you know of these Gentlemen? Mrs. Gurrey. I went to the next Room, to see if every thing was as it should be, I harken▪ d, and they had some Discourse about money, and I heard some body (I don't know who it should be, except it were Mr. Stevens) answer, and say, the use Money was paid to Night, but what Money they meant I can't tell. Mr. Jones. What did you find when they were gone? Mrs. Gurrey. Sir, I found a Cord at the end of the Trunk. Mr. Jones. Was it there in the Morning, or before they came? Mrs. Gurrey. No it could not, for I swept my Room and wiped down the dust. Mr. Jones. Was the Cord White? Mrs. Gurrey. No, it was more dirty than it is now, for my Husband and I have worn it in our Pockets. Mr. Cowper. Pray, who brought the Cord down from above Stairs? Mrs. Gurrey. My Daughter that lived with me, and she laid it upon the Shelf. Mr. Cowper. Did not you hear there was a Coroners Inquest sitting▪ Mrs. Gurrey. The next day at Night I did hear of it. Mr. Cowper. Why did not you go to the Coroners Inquest, and give an Account of it there? Mrs. Gurrey. I told my Husband of it, and I asked my Husband if he did not hear what they said concerning Mrs. Sarah Stout, and he answered yes, they ought to be taken up for the Words they laid last Night; why, saith I, don't you take notice of it, I think you aught to take them up, but he went out of Doors, and I saw no more of him till the Afternoon; when I heard the words I thought some body had stole her away and got to Bed to her. Mr. Cowper. Pray if your Husband heard these words, why did not he go to the Coroners Inquest. Mrs. Gurrey. I did speak to him to have them taken up. Mr. Cowper. Why did you not do it? Mrs. Gurrey. He said he would not do it, he did not know but it might cost him his life. Mr. Jones. How came you after this to discover it? Mrs. Gurrey. Because I was so troubled in mind I could not rest Night nor Day, and I told him if he would not tell of it, I would tell of it myself, for I was not able to live. Then Elizabeth Gurrey was Sworn. Mr. Jones. Pray do you know Mr. Rogers, Mr. Stevens, and Mr. Marson. E. Gurrey. I know Mr. Marson, and these are the other Gentlemen I●…reckon. Mr. Jones. What discourse did you hear from them? E. Gurrey. Mr. Marson asked the other Gentlemen how much Money they had spent, the other answered what was that to him, you have had Forty or Fifty Pounds to your Share; then the other asked him whether the Business was done, and he answered he believed it was, but if it was not done, it would be done to Night, than my Lord, he pulled a handful of Money out of his Pocket, and Swore he would spend it all for joy the Business was done. Mr. Jones. Was Mr. Cowpers name mentioned? E. Gurrey. I heard them mention Mr. Cowpers name, but not Mrs. Sarah Stouts. Mr. Jones. What Condition was the Gentleman's Shoes in? E. Gurrey. I think it was Mr. Marson, his Shoes were very wet and dirty, one of them was very hot, and he wiped his Head with his Handkerchief. Mr. Jones. Now my Lord we have done as to our Evidence, Mr. Marson pretended he was just then alighted and come from London, and was in a great heat, and his Shoes were wet, I wonder what Mr. Marson had been doing, for when he was examined, he said he came to Town about Eight of the Clock, and went to the Glove and Dolphin Inn, and stayed there while he came to his Lodging; now 'tis a wonderful thing that he should come wet▪ shod from a Tavern where he had been sitting Four or Five Hours together. Then the Examination of Mr. John Marson was read. Mr. jones. All that I observe from it, is this; that he had been 5 hours in Town▪ and when he came to his Lodging he came in wet and hot, and said he was just come from London. Mr. Marson. I had rid 40 Miles that day, and could not be soon cold. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. They have done now for the King, come Mr. Cowper, what do you say to it? Mr. jones. If your Lordship please we will call one Witness more, Marry Richardson. Mrs. Richardson. Do you know Mr. Marson, or any of these Gentlemen. Mrs. Richardson. They came on Tuesday night to the Bell at Hodesdon and lay there, and one of the Gentlemen when I was warming of the Sheets, asked me if I knew Mrs. Sarah Stout, and I said yes; he asked me if I knew which way she came to her end, and I told him I could not▪ tell.. Mr. jones. Is that all, what did they say more? Mrs. Richardson. They did desire and wish it might be found out how it came about, and one Gentleman took no notice of her at all; they had a little Bundle, but what was in it, I can't tell, but there I see it bound up in some coloured Stuff or other, but what it was, I can't tell. Mr. jones. Is that all that you can say? Mrs. Richardson. Yes, that's all. Mr. jones Then we have done. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Come Mr. Cowper, what do you say to it? Mr. Cowper. Now they have done on the part of the King, my Lord, and you Gentlemen of my Jury, I must beg your Patience for my Defence: I confess it was an unfortunate Accident for me (as Mr. jones calls it) that I happened to be the last Person (for aught appears) in the Company of a melancholy Woman. The Discourse occasioned by this Accident had been a sufficient Misfortune to me without any thing else to aggravate it; but I did not in the least imagine that so little, so Trivial an Evidence as here is could possibly have affected me to so great a degree, as to bring me to this place to answer for the worst Fact that the worst of Men can be guilty of. My Lord, your Lordship did just now observe, that I have appeared at the Bar for my Clients, but I must say too, that I never appeared for myself under this, or the like Circumstances, as a Criminal for any Offence whatsoever. Mr. Jones very well said, when he spoke on the part of the King, that if this Gentlewoman was Murdered, the Crime was Villainous, Base, Barbarous, and Cruel▪ and for my part I think so too, the Crime would be so great, that it could never sufficiently be Condemned: But at the same time I may aver, that to suppose a Murder without good Grounds for it, and afterwards to charge innocent Men with it knowingly and maliciously, is to a Trifle as Base and Barbarous as the Murder itself could be. My Lord, I speak for my own part, I know not at what Price other Men may value their Lives, but I had much rather myself was Murdered then my Reputation, which yet, I am sensible hath suffered greatly hitherto by the Malice and Artifice of some Men, who have gone pretty far in making this Fact, as Barbarous as it is, to be Credited of me. And therefore I must beg your Lordship's, and the Jury's Patience, while I not only defend my Life, but justify myself also from these things▪ that have unjustly aspersed me, by the Conspiracy and Artifice of my Accusers. My Lord, in all the Evidence that hath been given, I must observe there is no positive Evidence, with Submission, to induce the Jury, or any one to believe the General, that this Gentlewoman was Murdered▪ but they go upon Suppositions and Inferences, which are contradicted by other Circumstances, in the very Evidence of the Prosecutor, that make full as strong to prove she was not Murdered, as that she was; so that as it stands, it can amount only to a bare Suppositions that she was Murdered by any body. Then as to the Evidence that particularly relates to myself, on the Gentlemen who stand with me at the Bar; that they, or I were concerned in it (if she was Murdered) there is not one Syllable of Proof, at most it amounts but to make us suspect of a Murder, not proved, but only suspected; this I observe upon the Evidence, as it now stands without Answer, as it has been given on the King's Part, and how far in the Case of Life, Men shall be affected with Evidence of this Nature, which neither proves the Murder in General, nor that they did it in particular, though no Defence was made▪ or any further Answer given, I must submit to your Lordship's, and the Jury's Judgement. But my Lord, I do not doubt but I shall be able to wipe away, even that remorse Suspicion by my Defence; they have been long in their Evidence for the King, and therefore I must beg your Patience while I give a particular Answer to every part of it, in as good a Method as I am able, and I will waste as little time as may consist with the justifying of my Reputation▪ (for which I know your Lordship will have as tender a regard, to see it doth not suffer unjustly, as for my Life itself. And I promise your Lordship I shall trouble you with no Evidence which is not express and plain, no Inuendoes or Suspicions; but I shall prove fully and clearly, in the first place, that there was no Ground at all in this Case to suppose she was murdered by any one but herself. The first Fact that they insisted upon to inset a murder from it, was, that the Body was found floating; now, my Lord, that Fact I am able by the Evidence I have, as well as from that of the Prosecutor to deny; for the Fact was directly otherwise, that is, she was not found floating. And whereas the Prosecutor's Witnesses, who have been produced to this Point, are obscure and poor Men, and your Lordship observes have been taught to say generally that she floated, which, when they are required to explain, and describe how she lay, they contradict themselves in, by showing she lay sideways between the Stakes, and almost all under Water: Now I shall give your Lordship, and the Jury a full and particular Account and Description from the Parish Officers, Men employed by the Coroner to take the Body out of the Water, of the very Manner and Posture in which it was first found; which they are much better able to do, than the Prosecutor's Witnesses, having seen her before all, or most of those People, and these Officers clearly agree that her Body was under Water, when found, except some small appearance of her Petticoats, near, or on the surface of the Water, which may be very easily accounted for, because the Stakes the Witnesses mention, and which are driven into the Ground cross the River to prevent Weeds and Trampery from running into the Mill stand, as the Witnesses have already said, about a Foot distance from one another, and are set with their Feet from the Mill, and their Heads inclining towards the Mill with the Stream: Now, my Lord, every one knows that though a drowned Body will at first sink, yet it is buoyant, and does not go downright, and rest in one place like Lead; for a humane Body is seldom or never in a Stream found to lie where it was drowned; a Body drowned at Chelsea, has been often found by Fishermen at London, and that before it came to float above Water. Now, if a Body is so buoyant, as that it is driven down by the impellant force of the Current (though it do not float above Water) it seems a Consequence that when it comes to be stopped and resisted by the Stakes, which lie with their Heads downwards, inclining with the Stream, the Stream bearing the Body against the Stakes, must needs ●…ise it upwards to find another Passage, if possible, when the Ordinary and Natural is obstructed. I have seen I remember, that where Weeds have been driven down a River, and have been rooled along at the bottom, when they have come down to a Board, or Stakes of a Wire, or Turnpike, they have been by the force of the Water raised up against those Board's, or Stakes, and forced over them, though without such Obstruction they had undoubtedly continued to rool along under the Water. I don't know of any other Symptom they pretend too, of her not being drowned, from any thing observed of her in the Water. Then as to the flatness of her Belly, when she was put into her Coffin, I shall show it is a common and natural Accident, sometimes drowned Bodies are swelled more, sometimes less, sometimes not at all; I think it hardly deserves a Physician to prove that a Body may be drowned with very little Water, that a Man may be drowned by Strangling, or Suffocation caused by a little Water in the Lungs, without any great quantity or Water received in the Body, is a certain and established Truth; for I am told that when Respiration ceases, the Party dies, and can receive no more Water after that; so that nothing i●… to be inferred from a Body's having more or less Water found in it, especially, if your Lordship will give me leave to observe this distinction, where a Body is voluntarily drowned, and where it is drowned by Accident; for People that fall in by Accident do struggle and strive as long as they can, every time they rise they drink some Water into the Stomach to prevent its passing into the Lungs, and are drowned no sooner than needs must; but Persons that voluntarily drown themselves, to be sure desperately plunge into the Water to dispatch a miserable Life, as soon as they can; and so that little quantity in the Lungs, which causes Death, may be the sooner taken in; after which, no more is received: And I hope by Physicians it will appear there is good Ground for this Difference. The next is the Evidence that the Chururgeons have given on the other part, relating to the taking this Gentlewoman out of her Grave, after she had been buried six Weeks, whether this aught to have been given in Evidence for the Reasons I hinted at in a Criminal Case, I submit to your Lordship. But as it is, I have no reason to apprehend it, being able to make appear, that the Gentlemen who spoke to this Point have delivered themselves in that manner, either out of extreme Malice, or a most profound Ignorance, this will be so very plain upon my Evidence, that I must take the liberty to impute one, or both of those Causes to the Gentlemen that have argued from their Observations upon that Matter. And now, if your Lordship will but please to consider the Circumstances under which they would accuse me of this horrid Action, I don 't think they will pretend to say, that in the whole course of my Life, I have been guilty of any mean or indirect Action; and I will put it upon the worst Enemy I have in the World to say it. Now, for a Man in the Condition I was in, of some Fortune in Possession, related to a better, in a good Employment, thriving in my Profession, living within my Income, never in Debt, (I may truly say not five Pounds at any one time these eight Years passed) having no possibility of making any Advantage by her Death, void of all Malice; and as appears by her own Evidence in perfect Amity and Friendship with this Gentlewoman, to be guilty of the murdering her, to begin at the top of all Baseness and Wickedness, certainly is incredible. My Lord, in this Prosecution my Enemies seeing the necessity of Assigning some Cause, have been so Malicious to suggest before (though not now, when I have this Opportunity of Vindicating myself publicly) that I have been concerned in the Receipt of Money's for this Gentlewoman, had her Securities by me, and sometimes that I had been her Guardian, or her Trustee, and I know not what: I now see the Contrivers and Promoters of that Scandal, and they know it to be Base, False, and Malicious; I never was concerned in Interest with her, directly, or indirectly, and so I told them when I was before my Lord Chief Justice; 'tis true, it was then just suggested by the Prosecutors, I then denied it, and I deny it still— I thank God I have not been used, nor have I needed to deny the Truth. My Lord, you find the Prosecutors have nothing to say to me upon this Head, after all the Slanders and Stories they have Published against me, of my having Money in my Hands which belonged to the Deceased. But though they do not stir it, I will, and and give your Lordship a full Account of all that ever was in that Matter: When I lo'g that Hartford, some time since, she desired me to recommend to her a Security for ●…oo l. if it came in my way, my Lord, when I came to Town, I understood that one Mrs. Puller, a Client of mine, had a Mortgage formerly made to her by one Mr. Loftus of Lambeth in Surrey, for the like Sum, and that she was willing to have in her Money; I wrote to this Gentlewoman, the Deceased, to acquaint her of the Security, she thereupon did send up 200 l. and some odd Pounds for Interest (the Account of which I produced to my Lord Chief Justice) this Money was sent to me by Mr. Cramfield, as I have been informed, and by him given to Mr. Toller's Clerk, and by him brought publicly to me; my Lord, this Mortgage I immediately Transferred by Assignment, Indors'd on the back of it, and Mrs. Habberfield, a Trustee for Mrs. Puller, Signed and Sealed it, and that very 200 l. and Interest due was at one and the same time paid to Mrs. Puller, and by her the Principal was paid to her Daughter, in part of her Portion. All this was Transacted the beginning of December last, and she was not drowned till the 13th of March following: And my Lord, these People that are now the Prosecutors, did own before my Lord Chief Justice, that they had found this Mortgage amongst the Deceased●… Writings in her Cabinet at the time of her Death. Now, my Lord, I say, that saving this one Service I did her, as I said in December last, I never was otherwise concerned with her in the receiving, or disposing of any of her Money; nor had I ever any of her Securities for Money in my keeping; and I defy any Adversary I have to show the contrary. My Lord, as there appears no Malice, no Interest, so they have proved for me that there was no Concealment of Shame, to induce me to commit so Barbarous an Action; otherwise, perhaps now they find they can assign no other Cause, they would content themselves to give that reason, and fling that Scandal at me: And though I take it by the Experience I have had of them, they did not design to do me any Favour, yet I thank'em. in endeavouring to vindicate her Honour, they have secured my Reputation against that Calumny; and though I am satisfied, as I said, they did not intend me Kindness, yet I thank God they have given me a just Opportunity to take advantage of their Cunning, for the clearing my Innocence in that Particular. Then, my Lord, not to rest it here, but to satisfy the Jury and the World how this Gentlewoman came to destroy herself, I shall give the clearest Evidence that was ever given in any Court, that she murdered herself; when I enter upon this Proof, I must of necessity trespass upon the Character of this Gentlewoman that is dead, I confess this is a tender Point, 'tis a thing I would willingly be excused from, and 'tis not without a great deal of Reluctancy and Compulsion forced from me: That she was melancholy the Prosecutors themselves have proved; but I must of necessity show you the Occasion and Reasons of it, and the Witnesses will tell your Lordship what desperate Resolutions she had been under formerly, and that will lead me to near the time of her Death; to show why, and upon what Accidents she made away herself. I will not innumerate Particulars, by way of opening; only I must tell your Lordship, that some Letters of hers must of necessity be produced, which truly as I said, I should not meddle with, if I had not these innocent Gentlemen here to defend, as well as myself; perhaps it may be said, that in Honour I ought to conceal the Weakness of this Gentlewoman, but then in Honour and Justice to these Gentlemen that are falsely accused with me, I cannot do it; I hope this one reason will excuse me to the World, for I have no other that could have obliged me to bring these Letters upon the Stage; I solemnly protest, if I stood here singly in the Case of my own Life, upon the Evidence given against me, I take it to be so inconsiderable, I would not do it; but I must do it to show that these Gentlemen also are innocent, and to preserve them, because I am satisfied in my own mind they are so My Lord, when I have done that, I shall show your Lordship in the next place, that it is utterly impossible I could be concerned in this Fact; if I had had all the motives and provocations in the World to have done it: I shall show your Lordship in point of time it could not be. The Maid Sarah Walker, who is the single Witness, I take it, that says any thing in the least relating to me, said but now, the Clock had struck 11 before she carried up the Coals, and about a quarter of an hour after, while she was warming the Bed above stalis, she heard the Door clap, and sometime after that she dame down and found that I and her Mistress were gone, Now in point of time I shall prove it utterly impossible I could be guilty of the Fact I am accused of, being seen to come into the Glove Inn as the Town Clock struck eleven, and staying there more than a quarter of an hour, was, after several things done at my lodging, in bed before twelve a Clock, and went no more out that night as I shall prove. As for that little circumstance of sending for my Horse, which they have made use of all along to back this prosecution, ●…neir very telling me of that matter, shows how they are put to their shlfes to justify their accusing me; I say in prudence I ought to have done what I did: I sent for him on the Tuesday, but as their Witness saith, I told him, at the time I bid him fetch my Horse, not to use then, nor till by the course of the Circuit I was to go into Essex with the Judges the next Morning; and till then the Prosecutors Witness; who is the Ostler of the Glove Inn, was ordered to set him up there to litter him down, and to take care of him and feed him, and that he should be ready for me to go to Chelmsford on the morrow, whither I went with the other Council the next Morning being Wednesday; and this my Lord is the whole of that matter. My Lord▪ this Business slept near Two Months after the Coroners Inquest before I heard of it, or imagined myself to be concerned in it, and was never stirred till two Parties differing on all other occasions had laid their Heads together; I beg leave to let your Lordship a little into that matter, to show you how this Prosecution came to be managed, with so much noise and violence as it hath been. I can make it appear, that one of the greatest of the Quakers, Mr. Mead by name, has very much, and indirectly too, concerned himself in this matter; it seems they fancy the Reputation of their Sect is concerned in it, for they think it a wonderful thing, nay absolutely impossible (however other People may be liable to such resolutions) that one who was by her Education entitled to the Light within her, should run headlong into the Water, as if she had been possessed with the Devil; of this they think their Sect is to be cleared, though byspilling the Blood of Four Innocent Men. The other sort of People that concur with the Quakers in this Prosecution, I shall mention now I come to observe what the Witnesses are that have been produced against me; some of them I have nothing to object to, but that they are extreme Indigent and Poor, and have been helped by the Prosecutor, those that are so say nothing as to me; others who live in this Town, and give their Opinions of the manner of her Death, are possess with much prejudice against me, upon Feuds that have risen at the Elections of my Father and Brother in this Town, and these with the Quakers have wholly dressed up this matter for several ends, the Quakers to maintain the Reputation of their Sect▪ and the others to destroy, or break at least, the Interest of my Family in this Place: But however effectual these designs may have been, to have made a great noise in the World out of nothing; I am satisfied now, that I am in a Court of Justice, where no Persons Reputation, much less his Life, will be sacrifieed to the Policy or Malice of a Party without Proof▪ and therefore I have taken up so much of your time, to set the true rise of this Prosecution before you in a clear Light, My Lord, us to my coming to this Town on Monday, it was the first day of the Assizes, and that was the reason that brought me hither; before I came out of Town▪ I confess▪ I had a design of taking a Lodging at this Gentlewoman's House, having been invited by Letter so to do; and the reason why I did not was this is my Brother when he went the Circuit always favoured me with the offer of a part of his Lodging, which out of good Husbandry ●… always accepted: The last Circuit was in Parliament time, and my Brother being in the Money Chair could not attend the Circuit as he used to do, he had very good Lodgings, I think one of the best in this Town, where I used to be with him, these were always kept for him▪ unless notice was given to the contrary▪ the Friday before I came down to the Assizes, I happened to be in company with my Brother and another Gentleman, and then I show d them the Letter, by which I was earnestly invited down to lie at the House of this Gentlewoman, during the Assizes, (it is dated the 9th. of March last) and designing to comply with the Invitation; I thereupon desired my Brother to Write to Mr. Barfoot our Landlord, and get him, if he could, to dispose of the Lodgings, for said I, if he keeps them they must be paid for, and then I cannot well avoid lying there; my Brother did say he would Write, if he could think on't; and thus▪ if Mr. Barfoot disposed of the Lodgings, I own I intended to lie at the Deceaseds House, but if not, I looked on myself as obliged to lie at Mr. Barfoots. Accordingly I shall prove, assoon as ever I came to this Town in the morning of the first day of the Assizes, I went directly to Mr. Barfoots, (the Maid and all agree in this) and the reason was, I had not seen my Brother after he said he would Write before I went out of London; and therefore it was proper for me to go first to Mr. Barfoots, to know whether my Brother had Wrote to him, and whether he had disposed of the Lodgings or not; assoon as I came to Mr. Barfoots, there was one Mr. Taylor of this Town came to me, and I in his hearing asked Mr. Barfoot, his Wife, and Maidservant one after another, if they had received a Letter from my Brother to unbespeak the Lodgings; they told me no, that the Room was kept for us, and I think that they had made a Fire, and that the Sheets were airing; I was a little concerned he had not writ, but being satisfied that no Letter had been received, I said immediately, as I shall prove by several Witnesses, if it be so I must stay with you, I will take up my Lodging here; thereupon I lighted, and sent for my Bag from the Coffee-house, and I lodged all my things at Barfeet, and thus I took up my Lodging there as usual: I had no sooner done this, but Sarah Walker came to me from her Mistress ●…o invite me to Dinner, and accordingly I went and dined there, and when I went away it may be true that, being asked, I said I would come again at Night, but that I did say I would lie there, I do positively deny, and knowing I could not lie there, 'tis unlikely I should say so: my Lord, at Night I did come again and paid her some money, which I received from Mr. Loftus, who is the Mortgager for Interest of the 200 l. I before mentioned (it was Six Pounds odd money in Guineas and half Guineas) I writ a Receipt, but she declined the Signing of it pressing me to stay there that Night, which I refused, ●…as engaged to lie at Mr. Barfeet and took my leave of her; and that very money which I paid her was found in her Pocket, as I have heard after she was drowned. Now my Lord, the reason that I went to her House at Night was first, as I said, to pay her the Interest money; in the next place it was but fitting, when I found myself under a necessity of disappointing her, and lying at Barfeet to go to excuse my not lying there; which I had not an opportunity at Dinner time to do. My Lord, I open my Defence shortly, referring the particulars to the Witnesses themselves, in calling those who will fully refute the Suppositions and Inferences made by the Prosecutors, of whom, first my Lord, I shall begin with to show there is no Evidence of any Murder at all committed▪ and this I say again aught to be indisputably made manifest and proved before any Man can be so much as suspected for it. Mr. Bar. Ha sell. Do not flourish too much, Mr. Cowper, if you have opened all your Evidence, call your Witnesses, and when they have ended, then make your Observations. Mr. Cowper. Then, my Lord I will take up no more of your Time in opening this Matter. Call Robert Dew (who appeared) When Mrs. Sarah Stout drowned herself, was not you a Parish Officer? R. Dew. I was, I was next House to the Coach and Horses, and about six of the Clock came a little Boy, (Thomas Parker's Boy) and said there was a Woman fallen into the River, I considered i●… was not my business, but the Coroner's, and I sent the Boy to the Coroner, to acquaint him with it, and the Coroner sent word by the Boy, and desired she might be taken out, so I went to the River and saw her taken out; she lay in the River, (as near as I could guests) half a Foot in the Water, she was covered with Water, she had a ●…trip'd Petticoat on, but nothing could be seen of it above Water; I heaved her up, and several Sticks were underneath her, and Flags, and when they took her out, she frothed at the Nose, and Mouth. Mr. Cowper. How was she, was she driven between the Stakes? R. Dew. She lay on the right side, her Head leaning rather downwards, and as they puffed her up, I cried, hold, hold, you hurt her Arm, and so they kne●…d down and took her Arm from the Stakes. Mr. Cowper. Did you see any Spots upon her Arm? R. Dew. Yes▪ Sir. Mr. Cowper. What sort of Spot was it? R. Dew. It was reddish, I believe the Stakes did 〈◊〉; for her Arm hit upon the Stake where she lay. Mr. Cowper. Pray how do these Stakes stand about the Bridge of the Mill? R. Dew. I suppose they stand about a Foot a sunder, they stand slanting, leaning down the Stream a little. Mr. Cowper. Could you discern her Feet? R. Dew. No, nothing like it, nor the stripped Petticoat she had on. Mr. Cowper. Might not her Knees and Legs be upon the Ground, for what you could see? R. Dew. Truly, if I was put upon my Oath, whether they were so, or not, I durst not Swear it; sometimes the Water there is four Feet, sometimes three and a half, I believe her Feet were very near the bottom. Mr. Cowper. Are not the Stakes nailed with their Head against the Bridge? R. Dew. They are nailed to the side of the Bridge. Mr. Cowper, Pray describe the manner in which they took her up. R. Dew. They stooped down and took her up. Mr. Cowper. Did they take her up at once? R. Dew. They had two heave, or more? Mr. Cowper. What was the reason they did not take her up at once? R. Dew. Because I cried out, they hurt her Arm. Mr. Cowper. Was she not within the Stakes? R. Dew. No, this Shoulder kept her out. Mr. Cowper. When you complained they hurt her Arm, what Answer did they make you? R. Dew. They stooped down and took her Arm out from between the Stakes, they could not have got her out else. Mr. Cowper. After she was taken out, did you observe any Froth or Foam come from her Mouth, or Nose? R. Dew. There was a white Froth came from her, and as they wiped it away, it was on again presently. Mr. Cowper. What was the appearance of her Face and upper Parts at that time? R. Dew. She was so much disfigured, I believe, that scarce any of her Neighbours knew her, the Slime of the Water being upon her. Mr. Cowper. Did you see her Maid Sarah Walker at that time? R. Dew. No▪ Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Mr. Cowper, do you intent to spend so much time with every Witness, I don't see to what purpose many of these Questions are asked? Mr. Cowper. I have done with him, call Young. Mr. Cowper. I would not have you straiten you self, but only ask those Questions that are Pertinent. Mr. Cowper. Pray give an account of what you know of this Matter. Young. On Tuesday morning between 5 and 6 of the Clock last Assizes? Mr. Cowper. What Officer was you? Young. I was Constable. Mr. Cowper. Was you employed by the Coroner? Young. Not by him in Person▪ Between 5 and 6 a Clock some of the Men that came into my Yard to work, told me a Woman was drowned at the Mill, I stayed a little, and went down to see, and when I came there, I saw a Woman, as they had told me, and I saw par●… of her Coat lie on the top of the Water to be seen, and I looked strictly and nicely within the Bridge, and saw the Face of a Woman, and her left Arm was on the outside the Stakes, which I believe kept her from going through; so I looked upon her very wishfully, and was going back again, and as I came back I met with R. Dew, and two of my Neighbours, and they ased me to go back with them, and said they were going to take her up, and being Constable, I told them I thought it was not proper to do it, and they said they had Orders for it; so I being Constable went back with them, and when I came there I found her in the same posture as before, we viewed her very wishfully; her Coat that was driven near the Stakes was seen, but none of her other Coats, or her Legs, and after we had looked a little while upon her, we spoke to Dell, and Ulfe to take her up, and one of them took hold of her Coat till he brought her above Water; and as her Arm drew up, I saw a black place, and she laid sideway, that he could not take her up till they had let her down again, and so they twisted her out sideway; for the Stakes were so near together that she could not lie upon her Belly, nor upon her Back, and when they had taken her up, they laid her down upon a green place, and after she was laid down a great quantity of Froth (like the Froth of new Beer) worked out of her Nostrils. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. How much do you call a great quantity? Young. It rose up in Bladders, and run down on the sides of her Face, and so rose again; and seeing her look like a Gentlewoman, we desired one Ulse to search her Pockets to see if there were any Letters, that we might know who she was, so the Woman did, and I believe there was twenty or more of us that knew her very well when she was alive, and not one of us knew her then, and the Woman searched her Pockets, and took out ●… Guineas 10 Shillings 3d half penny, and some other things; and after that, I desired some of my Neighbours to go with me and tell the Money; for when it came to be known who she was, I knew we must give an Account on't, and I laid it upon a block and told it, and they tied it up in an Handkerchif, and I said I would keep the Money, and they should Seal it up, to prevent any Question about it; and during all this while of Discourse, and Sealing up the Money, the Froth still worked out of her Mouth. Mr. Cowper. Have you measured the depth of the Water; what depth is it there? Young. I measured the Water this morning, and 'twas so high that is run over the Floodgate, and the height of it was about 4 Foot 2 Inches, but sometimes 'tis penned up to a greater height than 'tis to day. Mr. Cowper. Was it higher to day than when the Body was found? Young. To the best of my remembrance 'twas as high to day as it was then▪ Mr. Cowper. Was any part of the Body above Water? Young. No, not nothing like the Body could be seen. Mr. Cooper. Could you see where her Legs lay? Young. No, nor nothing but her upper Coats which were driven against the Stakes. Mr. Cowper. Pray give an account how long she lay there, and when she was conveyed away. Young. I stayed a quarter of an hour, and then I went and Sealed up the Money at my own House, so that I did not see her removed. Mr. jones. Was any body there besides yourself at this time? Young. Yes, twenty People at the least. Mr. jones. Now here is ten of them that have Sworn that the Body was above the Surface of the Water. Mr Bar. Hatsell. No, her clothes they say were, but the Body was something under the water. Mr Cowper. Now I will trouble your Lordship no more with that Fact, but I will give you an account of the Coroners Inquest, how diligent they were in their proceedings, and produce a Copy of the Inquisition itself, that she was found to have drowned herself. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Mr Cowper that is no Evidence, if it be produced in order to contradict what these Witnesses have said, that have been examined for the King; but▪ if you will prove, that they have sworn otherwise before the Coroner, than they now do, than you say something otherwise the Coroners Inquest signifies nothing as to the present question. Mr Cowper. Call Thomas Wall. I am loath to be troublesome, but if you please to favour me, I desire to know of them, whether they do admit there was an Inquisition, and that she was found Non Compos Mentis, and did kill herself. Mr jones. We do admit it. juryman. We desire it may be read. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Why, won't you believe what they agree to on both sides. juryman. If they do agree so I am satisfied. Mr Cowper. Thomas Wall, pray do you give an account of what you know of Mrs stout being taken up? Wall. My Lord, I was one of the Jury, that viewed her at the place where she was laid, when she was taken up, and there was no marks upon her, only a little mark about her Ear, and something near her Collar bone, that was all I see upon her. Mr Cowper. Do you know any thing of any Surgeons being employed to view those marks? Wall. My Lord, we had several persons that came before us that we examined, we had a dispute concerning these marks what might effect them, and we desired Mr Dimsdale and Mr Camlin to see them, that we might be the better satisfied, and they both went down and viewed the body after it was brought down to Mrs Stouts, and they came back both of them, and Mr john Dimsdale told us, that these marks were no more than were usual in such cases, and it was only the Stagnation of blood. Mr Cowper. Was it the old man or the young man? Wall. It was the young man. Mr Cowper. Usual he did say? Wall. I can tell the very words, I have them writ down. Mr Cowper. Pray do so, for he has denied it here. Wall. (Looks on his Paper) here 'tis. Mr Dimsdale and Mr Camlin came to us, and Mr Dimsdale spoke and said these marks are usual, or might be usual, or if they were marks, it was no more than was usual in such cases; and that it was the stagnation of blood. Mr Cowper. Now you have your Notes in your hand, pray what did Sarah Walker say to you as to the time I went from Mrs stout? Wall. Sarah Walker said it was about 11 ●… clock when she took up Coals to warm the Bed, but she said she could not, nor did not know when Mr Cowper went out, for she warmed the Bed, and Mr Cowper not coming up, she took up some more Coals, and ●…arried a little longer, and no body coming up, she went down, and found Mr Cowper was gone, and she look●…d into the Parlour and her Mistress was gone. Mr Bar. Hatsell. The Woman said the same thing▪ Mr Cowper▪ 'tis necessary in this particular as to the time. Mr Bar▪ Hatsell. She told you the Clocks did differ. (Then Mr Bowden was called.) Mr Cowper. Well, what do you know of the taking up of Mrs Stout? Bowden. I went with the rest of the Neighbours to view her, and I did perceive it was Mrs Sarah stout body, though some questioned it; I do believe I was the second person that discovered it was she; and, my Lord, I did see a great deal of froth that came out of her mouth and nostrils. Mr Cowper. Did you go about to wipe it away? Bowden. No, but some other person did, it come out in a great quantity. Mr jones. How much do you call a great quantity▪ Bowden. Her mouth and nostrils were very full of it. Mr jones. Was not her mouth shut? Bowden. I did not observe that. Mr Cowper. How long had she lain there before you came▪ Bowden. I believe I was there in half an hour, as soon as I heard the report of it I went down. Mr Cowper. Call Mr Shute. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Well, what can you say to this matter▪ Shute. Sir, I was summoned upon the Jury upon the Coroners Inquest, and I perceived when I was there, that the same stuff worked out of Mrs Stout's Nostrils as worked out of the Child's. Mr Bar. Hatsell. What Child is that you speak of, is it the Child that was drowned in the same place as Mrs Stout was? Shute. Yes. Mr Cowper. My Lord, I am very tender how I take up your Lordship's time, and therefore I will not trouble you with any more witnesses upon this head▪ but with your Lordship's leave, I will proceed to call some Physicians of note and eminence, to confront the learning of the Gentlemen on the other side— Dr Sloane, you were in Court when these Gentlemen delivered their opinion concerning Mrs stout having no water in her, I desire you would give your opinion in that matter. Dr Sloane. I have not heard them very particularly or distinctly, because of the great crowd, some of them I have▪ Cases of this kind are very uncommon, and none of them have fallen directly under my own knowledge As to my opinion of drowning, it is plain that if a great quantity of water be swallowed by the Gullet into the Stomach it will not suffocate nor drown the person: Drunkards, who swallow freely a great deal of Liquor, and those who are forced by the Civil Law to drink a very great quantity of water, which in giving the Question (as 'tis call●…d) is poured into them by way of torture to make them confess crimes, have no suffocation or drowning happen to them: But on the other hand, when any quantity comes into the Windpipe, so as it does hinder or intercept the inspiration, or coming in of the air, which is necessary for respiration or breathing, the person is suffocated. Such a small quantity will do as sometimes in Prescriptions, when people have been very weak, or forced to take Medicines, I have observed some spoonfuls in that condition (if it went the wrong way) to have choked or suffocated the person. I take drowning in a great measure to be thus, and though it is very likely when one struggles he may (to save himself from being choked) swallow some quantity of water, yet that is not the cause of his death, but that which goes into the Windpipe and Lungs▪ whether a person comes dead or alive into the water, I believe some quantity will go into the Windpipe, and I believe without force after death little will get into the Stomach, because for that it should, swallowing is necessary, which after death cannot be done. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Pray Dr I understand you say this▪ that in case a person is drowned, that there may be but little water in the Stomach? Dr Sloane. That it is accidental▪ my Lord. Mr Bar. Hatsell. But what do you say to this, if there had been water in the body, would 〈◊〉 not have putrified the parts after it had lain six weeks? Dr Sloane. My Lord, I am apt to think it would have putrified the stomach less than the lungs, because the stomach is a part of the body that is contrived by nature, partly to receive liquids, but the contrivance of the lungs is only for the receiving of air, they being of a spongy nature, the water might sink more into them than the stomach; but I believe it might putrify there too after some time. I am apt to think that when a body is buried under ground, according to the depth of the Grave, and difference of the weather and soil, the fermentation may be greater or lesser, and that according to the several kinds of meats▪ or liquids in the stomach the putrefaction will likewise vary, so that it seems to me to be very uncertain▪ Mr Baron Hatsell. But when they are in a Coffin how is it then? Dr Sloane. No doubt there will be a Fermentation more or less, according as the air comes, more or less to the body. Indeed it may be otherwise, where the air is wholly shut out, which is supposed to be the way of Embalming, or preserving dead Bodies of late, without the use of any Spices, which is thought in a great measure to be brought about by the closeness of the Coffin, and hindering of the air from coming into the body. Mr Cowper. Is it possible in your judgement for any water to pass into the Thorax? Dr Sloane. I believe 'tis hardly possible that any should go from the Windpipe into the Cavity of the Thorax, without great violence and force, for there is a membrane that covers the outside of the Lungs, that will hinder the water from passing through it into any part without them. Mr Cowper. Now do you think it possible to find water in a drowned body after six week's time. Dr Sloane. I am apt to think if there was any quantity in the lungs, the sponginess of the part would suck up some part of it. As to the stomach I have not known it tried, but 'tis like if there was a great fermentation, a great deal of it would rise up in vapours or steams, and go off that way. Mr Cowper. Dr Garth, I can't tell whether you were in Court when the Surgeons who are Witnesses for the King gave their evidence. Dr Garth. Yes I was. Mr Cowper. Then I desire you, Sir, to give your opinion as to those particulars▪ Dr Garth. I observed in this Trial the first Gentleman called for the King that spoke to this matter was Mr Coatsworth. He saith he was sent for to open her, upon an aspersion of her being said to be with Child. I agree with him in what he speaks to that point, but must differ with him where he infers she was murdered because he found no great quantity of water in her▪ as also her head extremely mortified, but not her lungs (lungs and bowels I think were used promiscuously.) Now, my Lord, as to the matter of putrefaction, I think 'tis not much material whether there be any water or no in the cavities of the body, if water would hasten putrefaction, it would do it as well in the lungs as otherwise; there is always some water in the lymphducts there, the breaking of which may be one occasion of Catarrhs. As to what relates to the putrefaction of the head, it may happen from a stoppage of the refluent blood, which is stayed there in a great quantity, through the suffocation in the water, or from the nearness of the brain, which is observed often to mortify first. The next was Mr Dimsdale (I would speak to them all in order if my memory would permit) I think he was of the same opinion with Mr Coatsworth; he laid the stress of his suspicion upon the mortification of the head, which I think is not at all material, no more than what they infer from her floating: it being impossible the body should have floated, unless it had rested, or had been entangled amongst the stakes, because all dead bodies (I believe) fall to the bottom, unless they be prevented by some extraordinary tumour. My Lord, we have not only Philosophy, but Experiments for this. The Witnesses all agree she was found upon her side, which to suppose her to float in this posture, is as hard to he conceived, as to imagine a Shilling should fall down and rest upon its edge rather than its broad side; or that a Doal Board should rather float edgeways than otherwise: therefore 'tis plain she was entangled, or else the posture had been otherwise. As to the quantity of water, I do not think it necessary it should be very great. I must own the water will force itself into all cavities where there's no resistance. I believe when she threw herself in she might not struggle to save herself, and by consequence not sup up much water. Now there's no direct passage into the stomach but by the gullet, which is contracted or pursed up by a Muscle in nature of a Sphincter: for if this passage was always open, like that of the Windpipe, the I weight of the air, would force itself into the Stomac▪ and we should be sensible of the greatest inconveniencies. I doubt not, but that some water fell into her Lungs, because the weight of it, would force itself down, but if we consider the Windpipe with its ramifications, as one Cylinder, the calculation of its contents will not amount to above 23 or 24 solid inches of water, which is not a pint, and which might imperceptibly work and fall out. I remember I offered a wager at Garaways Coffee House to a Gentleman here in Court. Mr Bar. Hastell. Pray Doctor tell us your opinion as to what the Seaman said, and also as to what Dr Sloan said whether water in the body will putrify it. Dr Garth. I say not, for in some places they keep Flesh Meat from corrupting by preserving it in water, and it is well known 'twill putrif▪ less so than when expos●…d to air. Mr Bar Hatsell. But what do you say as to the sinking of dead Bodies in water? Dr Garth. If a strangled body be thrown into the water, the Lungs being filled ●… with air▪ and ●… Cord left about the neck,▪ 'tis probable it may float, because of the included air, as a bladder would, but here is neither cord, nor any mark of it, nor nothing but ●… common stagnation. Mr Bar. Hatsell▪ But you don't observe my question, the Seaman said, that those that die at Sea, and are thrown overboard, if you don't tie a weight to them; they will not sink, what say you to that▪ Dr Garth▪ My Lord, no doubt in this they're mistaken. The Seamen are as superstitious people, they fancy that whistling at Sea will occasion a tempest; I must confess I never saw any body thrown overboard, but I have tried some experiments on other dead animals, and they will certainly sink we have tried this since we came hither. Now, my Lord, I think, we have reason to suspect the Seaman's Evidence▪ for he saith, that threescore pound of Iron is allowed to sink the dead Bodies, whereas six or seven pounds wo●…d do as well. I cannot think the Commissioners of the Navy, guilty of so ill husbandry, but the design of tying weights to their dead bodies, is to prevent their floating at all▪ which otherwise would happen in some few days, therefore what I say is this▪ that if these Gentlemen had found a Cord, or the print of it, about the neck of this unfortunate Gentlewoman, or any wound that had occasion●…d her death, they might then have said something. Mr Cowper. Do you apprehend that any quantity of water, can enter into the cavity of the Thorax. Dr Garth. 'Tis impossible there should till the Lungs be quite rotten, there is no way out by the Lungs, which are invested with so strong a Membrane, that we cannot force breath with o●…r Blow-pipes through it, and there●…s a great providence in such a texture, for if there were any large pores in this Membrane▪ the air would pass thro' it into the cavity of the Thorax▪ and prevent the delatation of the Lungs, and by consequence there would be an end of breathing. Mr Cowper. Dr Morley pray be pleased to give your opinion of these matters. Dr Morley. Those which seem to be questions of greatest moment, are whether there was a necessity for this body (if drowned) to have a great quantity of Water in it, and whether bodies thrown dead into the Water float: To the first I answer positively, that there is no absolute necessity, that she should have a great quantity of water in her▪ and I think the question Mr Cowper asked Dr Coatsworth, whether he had like to been drowned by accident or 〈◊〉▪ su●…es with my assertion; for if this Gentlewoman did voluntarily drown herself, she 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 likelihood threw herself into the water, with a resolution of keeping her breath for●… 〈◊〉 suffocation, and then if upon the first endeavours for respiration (which naturally must be) 〈◊〉 into her Lungs 2 Ounces of water, it was the same thing to drowning of her, as if there had been 2 Tun. We see the same thing done by Divers in order to save themselves, as it happened to this unfortunate Gentlewoman▪ in her design of destroying herself: if a Diver before he come▪ to the surface of water should so far mistake his power of holding his breath, that he should be forced to endeavour respiration, the little water he drew into his Lungs by this attempt to respire may drown him. We last night drowned a Dog▪ and afterwards dissected him, and found not a Spoonful of water in his Stomach, and I believe about two Ounces in his Lungs, while we were doing this, we drowned another, and he lay at the bottom and did not float; no more would he have done, if he had been hanged before thrown into the water: we took him up, and upon opening him we found much about the same quantity of water in his Lungs, and little or none in his Stomach, they both frothed at Nose and Mouth, because the water coming into the little bladders of the Lungs, and there meeting with air, a commotion arose between the water and air, which caused th' froth. To the second question, I think if bodies new killed swim 'tis by accident, for the reason that bodies swim, is because by putrefaction they rarify by rarifaction they grow lighter, which brings them to the top of the water. Mr Cowper. I desire to know if any man of skill in Prudence would give his opinion?— Mr Bar. Hatsell. That is not a proper question. Mr Cowper. Then I will ask it thus, do you think, Doctor, it is to be known 6 weeks after▪ if a person was drowned. Dr Morley. I think it is morally impossible. Mr Cowper. Can there be any water in the Thorax? Dr Morley. By an Imposthum or some violence to nature possibly, but I think no otherwise. Mr Cowper. Dr Woollaston, what is your opinion if a person be drowned, whether it can be discovered six weeks after? Dr Woollaston. My Lord, I think it is impossible to be known, for if there had been never so much water in the body at first, it could not lie there so long; but must of necessity have forced its way out, We see in persons that die of Dropsies, that the water will work itself out (and sometimes burst the body) before it is buried. And I am sure, if it do so in Dropsies where there are no visible passages for it to get out at, it must do so much more in drowned persons, where the water lies only in the Stomach and Guts; and has nothing to hinder its working out, when it ferments, as it always doth. Mr Cowper. Have you ever made any experiments in that nature, Doctor? Dr Woollaston. I have made no experiments, but I have seen a very particular instance. Mr Bar. Hatsell. That is very well, pray let us hear it▪ Doctor. Dr Woollaston. My Lord, about three years since, I saw two men that were drowned out of the same boat. They were taken up the next day after they were drowned. One of 'em was indeed prodigiously swelled, so much that his ●…loaths were burst in several places of his sides and arms, and his Stockings in the seams; his hands and fingers were strangely extended▪ his face was almost all over black: but the other was not in the least swelled in any part nor discolorred, He was as lank, I believe, as ever he was in his Life time, and there was not the east sign of any water in him, except the watery froth at his mouth and nostrils. My Lord, his I saw myself, and took very particular notice of it. Mr jones. Did you see these bodies taken out of the water yourself, Doctor? Dr Woollaston. No Sir. Mr jones. How long had they been taken our when you saw them? Dr Woollaston. I enquired, and to the best of my Memory, it was that same day. Mr Bar. Hatsell. But what do you think Doctor, of a Persons being drowned, without taking in any water? Dr Woollaston. My Lord, what is taken in, is I believe chiefly at the surface of the water, when they open their mouths for breath, and the water that rushes in, they are forced to drink down, to keep it from their Lungs. But when the head is quite under water, I don't think it is possible for any quantity to get down into the Stomach: because it being breath they open for, the very first water they take in, would of necessity fill the Lungs, and when the breath is stopped, I don't see how they can swallow. Mr Cowper. Dr Gelstrop, what is your opinion of this matter? Dr Gelstrop. I dont think they can make any judgement of persons being drowned after six week's time. Mr Cowper. Can any water get into the Thorax? Dr Gelstrop. No, not unless the Lungs be putrified. Mr Cowper. Is a great quantity of water necessary to persons dying by drowning. Dr Gelstrop. No, only so much as may hinder respiration. Mr Cowper. Now, my Lord, I would call Mr William Cowper, and because of his name, I must acquaint your Lordship, that he is not at all related to me, though I should be proud to own him if he were so, he is a man of great learning, and I believe most people admit him the best Anatomist in Europe. Mr Cowper. Pray will you give your opinion of this matter? Mr W. Cowper. My Lord, I hope what I shall say, will not be suspected because I ' am of the same name, for this Gentleman is an utter stranger to me. Mr Bar. Hatsell. Pray, Mr Cowper, without any Apology. give your opinion concerning persons drowned, and how 'tis with them in their inward parts? Mr W. Cowper. I will give you a short account, I hope to your satisfaction too, my Lord. I will not only speak from reason, but give you the testimony of the Experiments I have made upon this occasion. My Lord, I heard it made a mighty argument, that this person had no water that seemed to flow out, but the witnesses agree there was a froth. Now, my Lord, it was not reasonable to expect any thing but froth. My Lord, had she been thrown into the water, and made her utmost efforts, which she would then have done to have saved herself, and been often buoyed up to the top of the water, no doubt but she would have swallowed a considerible quantity of water before she had been drowned▪ and it may be expected to flow from her, if her head had been inclined downwards. This is a truth that no man can deny, who is acquainted with any thing of this nature, that when the head of an Animal is under water, the first time it is obliged to inspire (or draw in air) the water will necessarily flow into its lungs, as the air would do if it were out of the water; which quantity of water (if the dimensions of the Windpipe and its branches in the lungs be considered) will not amount to 3 inches square, which is about 3 ounces of water. Nor is a greater quantity of water in the Windpipe necessary to choke any person, if we do but reflect what an ebullition is caused by its meeting with the air, which remained in the lungs, whereby a small quantity of water is converted into a Froth, and the Channel of the Windpipe, and those of the Bronchia are filled with it▪ insomuch that no air can enter the lungs, for the office of respiration. After a Suffocation is thus commenced (I am apt to think) all regular animal actions are perverted, and particularly that of swallowing (or deglutition) and what water flows into the Stomach at the instant or after this suffocation, is from its own weight▪ which is more or less as the Body is farther under, or nearer the surface of the Water. My Lord, I don't speak this by way of conjecture or Hypothesis, but I have made experiments, which have suggested what I here offer. I shall by the by tell you how fallacious the first experiment was, when I proposed to satisfy myself, whether a dead Body would float in water— it happened, that a Spaniel, that had a great deal of long hair was hanged for this purpose, which I found swim on the surface of the water; but when I considered that his hair might buoy him ●…o, I caused another Dog, which had shorter and less hair to be hanged, and put into the water, which (agreeable to what I had always conceived of a Human Body) sunk directly to the bottom. In order to satisfy myself what quantity of water was necessary to enter the Body of an Animal▪ and cause a suffocation in Water, I caused 3 Dogs when alive to be suddenly plunged under Water, till they were stifled, one was before I left London, the other 2 I made the Experiment on last night, in the presence of Dr Sloane and Dr Morley, and we could not compute there was more than 3 ounces of water in their Lungs, and none that we could perceive in their Stomaches. Dead Bodies necessarily sink in Water, if no distension of their parts buoy them up▪ this, destension sometimes happens before death, at other times soon after, and in Bodies that are drowned after they lie under water. This enlargement of them is caused by a rarefaction of 〈◊〉 humours within the cavities, and the body necessarily rises to the surface of the water. Your Lordship, may infer this from what the Seamen told you, and the great weight they use to fasten to their bodies that died of Diseases, was not of such use to sink them, as it was to prevent their floating afterwards▪ so that the weight was necessary for those that were killed as well as these that died of diseases. It is so commonly known that the contents in the stomach of a dead body are discharged by the mouth and nostrils so soon as it begins to ferment, and the belly becomes distended, that 〈◊〉 no wonder that water, if the greatest quantity that had been in the stomach, or any thing else that was fluid, must be forced from thence six weeks after death. My Lord▪ 〈◊〉 cant but think it ridiculous to expect water in the cavity of the Thorax; it is such 〈◊〉 nothing in Nature can account for▪ Unless the lungs had suffered some Apost●…umation, or the like, whereby the water may pass their outward membranes into that cavity. Mr. Cowper. With your Lordship's favour, I now think it a proper time to make this Observation. The Witnesses that have given Evidence for the King, do say, they believe she was not drowned; but they have not pretended to say how she died otherwise. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. That is very true. Mr. Cowper. Dr. Crell, I desire you will be pleased to give an Account of this Matter. Dr. Crell. My Lord, I have little to say in this Affair, the Physicians that have been Examined already, having made it out, that Persons who are drowned may have but little Water in their Bodies; but I have taken what pains I could, upon so short warning, and I will tell you the Opinion of several eminent Authors, My own Opinion is, That a very small quantity of Water, not exceeding three Ounces, is sufficient to drown any Body; an▪ I believe that the reason of the Suffocation, or of any Persons being stifled under Water, is from the intercepting of the Air, that the Person can't breathe, without which he cannot live. Now my Lord I will give you the Opinion of several ancient Authors. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Pray Dr. tell us your own Observations. Dr. Crell. My Lord, it must be reading as well as a Man's own Experience, that will make any one a Physician; for without the reading of Books of that Art, the Art itself cannot be attained to; besides, my Lord, I humbly conceive, that in such a difficult case as this, we ought to have a great deference for the Reports and Opinions of Learned Men▪ Neither do I see any reason why I should not quote the Fathers of my Profession in this Case, as well as you Gentlemen of the Long-Robe quote Cook upon Littlet●…n in others; but I shall not trouble the Court long, I shall only insist upon what Ambrose Parey relates in his Chapter of Remunciations. He was chief Surgeon to Francis the First, employed by him in most of his Sieges and Battles against the Emperor Charles the Fifth, and consequently must observe, and could not be ignorant of such like Casualties in such great Bodies of Men. He tells us, that the certain sign of a Man's being drowned, is an appearance of Froth about his Nostrils and Month. Now, my Lord, I think, that every one of the King's Evidences observed it in the present Case, and a Woman swore, that she saw her purge at the Nose; which could not be, as he declares, if the Person had been Strangled, or otherwise killed before. As to the quantity of Water requisire●…ro drown a Person, I believe that three Ounces, or less, is enough, to wit, as much as will fill the Windpipe, and so stop the breathing of the Person drowning. I am not now to descant upon matter of Fact, whether she drowned herself; but my firm Opinion is, That she was drowned; for tho' sometimes, not always, there is Water found in the Bodies of such Persons, yet wherever it be, besides the Lungs, it is ●…upersluons as to this end, and accidental upon violent struggle. Mr. Cowper. I desire Mr. Harriot may be asked what Observations he hath made concerning this Matter. Mr. Harriot. My Lord, when I was a Surgeon in the Fleet▪ I made it always my Observation when we threw Men overboard that were killed, some of them swum, and some sunk; and I remember, particularly when the Sandwich was burnt, we saw abundance leap off from on Board and they sunk directly, but in a little time I observed some swim again. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. When a dead Body is thrown overboard, does it sink or swim? Mr. Harriot. I always observed that it did sink; when we were in the Channel, and in time of Peace, we never threw any overboard but we put some weight to them, but it was not to make them sink, but for decency sake, that they might not be driven to Shore when they began to float. Mr. Cowper. I desire that Mr. Bartlet may be asked to the same purpose. Mr. Bartlet. I have been in several of the King's Ships of War that have been disabled and forced ro lie by, in several Engagements between the French and English, and I never saw any Bodies float either of the Men that were killed in our Ship, or in the Ships that have been near us, I have not seen a Body upon the Surface of the Water. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Another Witness said, that after an Engagement he saw them swimming. Mr. Bartlet. I can't tell what he saw, my Lord, but what I say I am ready to make Oath of. Mr. Cowper. Dr. Camlin, will you please to give my Lord and the Jury an Account whether you were employed by the Coroners Inquest to view the Body of Mrs. Stout, after she was drowned, and the Marks upon it, and tell my Lord your Opinion of it. Mr. Camlin. I was sent for by the Coroner and Jury that sat upon the Body of Mrs. Sarah Stout, the Coroner being then at her Mother's House, and the Coroner desired Mr. Dimsdale and me to go and take notice of the marks upon her Neck, and upon her Breast; we viewed all about, and perceived a mark under her●…left Ear. we looked to see if there was any Contusion, and we perceived a settlement of Blood upon her Breast, and another upon her Arm; and when we came back Mr. Dimsdale made the Report, I stood by him at that time, That it was only a common Settlement. Mr. Cowper. Pray, Mr. Camlin, was the Spot above or below the Collar-bone. Mr. Camlin. Below the Collar-bone. Mr. Cowper. What did▪ Mr. john Dimsdale say then, concerning this Matter? Mr. Camlin. I understood that he was of Opinion that it was only a common Stagnation of Blood, that happens in the Case of drowned People. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Did he say so to the Jury. Mr Camlin. Mr. Dimsdale spoke for us both, and I understood him that it was a Stagnation that did commonly happen to drowned People, and that was my Opinion of it too. Mr. Cowper. And that you agreed to be your Report. Mr. Camlin. Yes. Mr. Cowper. Pray, Mr. Camlin, was you present when the Child which was drowned in the same place was taken up? Mr. Camlin. Yes, it was taken up some time after, near the same place as I was told, and there was more and greater signs of the Stagnation of Blood, on the Body of this Child, than on the Body of Mrs. Stout, the Child's Face was black and discoloured. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. How old was the Child? Mr. Camlin. Between 10 and 11, as near as I could guests. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Had Mrs. Stout any signs of being strangled when you saw her first. Mr. Camlin. Nothing at all that I could discern. Mr. Cowper. My Lord, I will give you no more trouble upon this Head; I shall go now to the next thing I opened, and shall prove substantially, that this Gentlewoman is not only more to be suspected to have Murdered herself than to be Murdered by any body, but 'tis almost a certainty, that she was the cause of her own Death. Mr. Firmin I would begin withal if he be here. But he not presently appearing. Mr. Cowper, Then my Lord if you please, I will desire Mr. Bowd in the mean time to give your Lordship an Account of what he knows of the Melancholy of this Gentlewoman. Mr. Bowd, 'Twas much about this time twelve month, I had some Business in London, and she sent to me, to know when I should go to London, and I waited upon her before I went, and she desired me to do some Business for her, and when I returned I acquainted her with what I had done, and Sitting together in the Hall, I asked her what's the matter with you? Saith I there is something more than ordinary, you seemed to be Melancholy. Saith she you are come from London, and you have heard something or other: Said I, I believe you are in Love, In Love! said she, Yes saith I Cupid that little Boy hath struck you home; She took me by the Hand, truly saith she I must confess it, but I did think I should never be Guilty of such a Folly, and I answered again, I admire that should make you uneasy; If the Person be not of that Fortune as you are, you may if you love him, make him happy, and yourself easy. That can't be saith she the World shall not say I change my Religion for a Husband, and sometime after I had been at London, having bought some India Goods, She came to my Shop and bought some of me for a Gown, and afterwards she came to Pay me for it, and I asked her, how do you like it have you made it up? No said she, and I believe I shall never live to wear it. Mr. Cowper, Pray how long is it since. Mr. Bowd, It was about February or january before her Death. I asked her why she did not come to my House oftener, she said she had left off all Company and applied herself to reading, and Company was indifferent to her. Mr. Cowper. Mr. Firmin, will you please to inform my Lord, and the Jury, what you know of Mrs. Sarah Stouts being Melancholy? Mr. Firmin. I did observe about three quarters of a Year ago that she was Melancholy; I can't say that she acknowledged herself to be so, but I have charged her with it. Mr. Cowper. Did you believe she was Melancholy when you charged her with it? Mr. Firmin. Yes, I did. Mr. Cowper. Mrs. Bendy, if you please to inform the Court what you know of this Gentlewoman's being Melancholy. Mrs. Bendy. Sir, I can say she always acknowledged herself extremely Melancholy, and when I have asked her how she did, she has said pretty well in Health, but so much troubled with Melancholy she could not tell what to do with herself. Mr. Cowper. Did she tell you any thing particularly. Mrs. Bendy. It disordered her so, she said, that she had rather have chosen Sickness than so much disorder in her Mind. Mr. Cowper. Have you any thing more to recollect? Mrs. Bendy. Nothing but what I heard from Mrs. Cowper. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. How old was this Gentlewoman? Mrs. Bendy. About Six and Twenty. Mr. Cowper. Call Mrs. jane Low, Martha Grub, and Mrs. Cowper. Mrs. Low, pray do you inform my Lord and the Jury, what you know concerning the Melancholy of Mrs. Sarah Stout, and when you first observed it. Mrs. Low. It was a Week before Whitsuntide was Twelvemonth. Mr. Cowper. What did she say then? Mrs. Low. She often complained to me that she was very Melancholy and uneasy, one time particularly, as we were walking together in the Fields, I asked her the occasion of it, and she told me that was a secret; but she said, she led a very Melancholy Life; saith I, I am apt to believe you are in Love, she did not disown it, and with a little more speaking she owned she was, I asked her who the Person was, she said, that should be a Secret, but it would end her Days; saith I, a Woman of your Fortune may command any Body, she shook her Head and said no; perhaps, saith I, he may not be a Quaker, and you may be afraid of disobliging your Mother; but if you tell your Mother that your life depends upon it, your Mother (rather than lose her only Child) will consent to it; she said, no, it was a Person she could not marry, and shook her Head and looked very Melancholy. Mr. Cowper. When was this? Mrs. Low. This was the Week before Whitsuntide, and in Whitsunweek she saw me often, and said she would take her full swing of Melancholy when her Mother was away, and she used to lie a Bed that Week. Mr. Cowper. Have you observed any Melancholy in her since? Mrs. Low. Yes, at several times▪ Mr. Cowper. Do you remember any thing of an intermitting Fever? Mrs. Low. Yes, she told me her Melancholy had occasioned an intermitting Fever, and I mentioned Dr. Eales to her, and she said her distemper lay in her Mind, and not in her Body, and she would take nothing, and the sooner it did kill her the better. Mr. Cowper, Did she say and thing of her disposition to Reading? Mrs. Low. She said nothing delighted her now, neither reading nor any thing else. Mr. Cowper. My Lord, Sarah Walker when I asked her if she did not observe the Melancholy of her Mistress, and whether she had not said that her Mistress had been Melancholy, denied that she had said so, pray have you heard her say any thing to that purpose. Mrs. Low. I have often asked her how her Mistress did, and she would answer, very much indisposed, but not otherwise. Mr. Cowper. Mrs. Cowper, what do you know of Mrs. Stouts Melancholy. Mr. Cowper. My Lord, this is my Brother's Wife. Mr. Cowper. About Spring was Twelvemonth, she came up to London; and I believe it was not less than once or twice a Week I saw her, and I never had an opportunity to be an Hour alone with her at any time, but I perceived something of her Melancholy, I have asked her the Reason of it several times, and sometimes she seemed to dislike her Profession, being a Quaker, and sometimes she would say that she was uneasy at something that lay upon her Spirits, which she should never outlive, and that she should never be well while she was in this World; sometimes I have endeavoured to persuade her out of it seriously, and sometimes by raillery, and have said are you sure you shall be better in another World, and particularly I remember I have said to her, I believe you have Mr. Martial in your Head, either have him or do not trouble yourself about him, make yourself either easy one way or another, and she hath said no in an indifferent way, I cannot make myself easy; then I have said marry him, no saith she I can't. Sometimes with Company she would be diverte●…, and had frequently a way of throwing her Hands, and showed great disturbance and uneasiness. This time Twelvemonth, at the Summer Assizes, I was here six Days, and I saw her every Day, and one time among other Discourse, she told me she had received great disturbance from one Theophilus, a Waterman and a Quaker, who coming down to old Mrs. Stout, that was then lame, she had gathered about 20 or 30 People together to hear him Preach, and she said he directed his Discourse to her, and exasperated her at that rate, that she had thoughts of seeing no body again; and said, she took it heinously ill to be so used, and particularly that he told her that her Mother's falling outwardly in the Flesh should be a warning that she did not fall inwardly, and such canting stuff as she called it, and she said, that Theophilus had so used her that she was ashamed to show her Head. Another time the same Week, she had a Fever, and she said she was in great hopes it would end her Days, and that she neglected herself, in doing those things that were necessary for her Health, in hopes it would carry her off, and often wished herself dead; another time, which I think was the last time I saw her, was at my Sister's Lodgings, and I sent for her to drink a dish of Tea with us, and she came in a great toss and melancholy; saith I, What is the matter you are always in this odd Humour, saith she, I can't help it, I shall never be otherwise; saith my Sister, for God's sake keep such Thoughts out of your Head as you have had, don't talk any more of throwing yourself out of Window; saith she, I may thank God that ever I saw your Face, otherwise I had done it; but I can't promise I shall not do it. Mr. Bar. Hatsel. What is is your Name, Madam? Mr. Cowper. 'Tis my Brother's Wife, my Lord. I desire Mrs. Toler may give an account what she knows as to her being Melancholy. Mrs. Toler. My Lord, she was once to see me, and she looked very Melancholy, and I asked her what was the matter, and she said something had vexed her that Day, and I asked her the cause of it, and she stopped a little while, and then said she would drown herself out of the way. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. How long ago was this? Mrs. Toler. About Three quarters of a Year ago, john Stout. I desire to know whether she has always said so, or not told another Story. Mrs. Toler. I told you no Story; it may be I did not say so much to you, but I said she talked something of drowning. I have been with her when Mr. Cowper's Conversation and Name has been mentioned, and she said she kept but little Company, that sometimes she went to Mrs. Lowes, and that she kept none but civil modest Company, and that Mr. Cowper was a civil modest Gentleman, and that she had nothing to say against him. Mr. Cowper. This is Mrs. Elizabeth Toler my Lord. Mrs. Eliz. Toler. My Lord, she came to see me some time after Christmas, and seemed not so cheerful as she used to be, saith I, What is the matter? Why are you not so merry as you used to be? Why do you not come often to see me? Saith she, I don't think to go abroad so much as I used to do, said, it would be as much a rarity to see her go abroad as to see the Sun shine by Night. Mr. Cowper. Mrs. Grub what do you know concerning Mrs. Stouts pulling out a Letter at her Brother Mr. john Stouts? give an Account of it, and what she said upon that occasion. Mrs. Grub. I have a Daughter that lives at Guernsey, and she sent me a Letter▪ and I prayed Mrs. Sarah Stout to read the Letter, and while she was reading it I cried; saith she, why do you cry? said I, because my Child is so far off; said she, if I live till Winter is over, I will go over Sea as far as I can for the Land. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. What was the occasion of her saying so? Mrs. Grub. I was washing my Master's Study, Mrs. Sarah Stout came in, and I had a Letter from my Daughter at Guernsey, and I prayed Mrs. Sarah Stout to read it, and she read my Letter, and I cried, and she asked me why I cried, said I, because my Child is so far off, saith she, if I live to Winter, or till Winter is over, I will go over-Sea as far as I can for the Land. Mr. Cowper. Now my Lord, to bring this matter of Melancholy to the point of time, I will call one Witness more, who will speak of a remarkable instance that happened on Saturday before the Monday when she did destroy herself. Call Mr, joseph Taylor. Pray will you inform the Court and Jury of what you observed on Saturday before the Monday on which Mrs. Stout destroyed herself. I. Taylor. I happened to go in at Mr. Firmin's Shop, and there she sat the Saturday before this Accident happened the former Assizes, and I was saying to her, Madam, I think you look strangely discontented, I never saw you dressed so in my Life; saith she, the dress will serve me as long as I shall have occasion for a Dress. Mr. Cowper. In what posture did she appear in the Shop? I. Taylor. She appeared to be very Melancholy. Mr. Cowper. What part of her dress did you find fault with? I. Taylor. It was her Head-cloths. Mr. Cowper. What was the matter with them? I. Taylor. I thought her Head was daubed with some kind of Grease or Charcoal. Mr. Cowper. What Answer did she make? I. Taylor. She said they would serve her time. Mr. Cowper. As to this piece of Evidence, if your Lordship pleases, I desire it may he particularly taken notice of, it was her Head-dress that she said would serve her time. Pray Mr. Taylor was you at Mr. Barefoots when I came in there on Monday Morning. I. Taylor. Yes, I went up Stairs with you into your Chamber. Mr Cowper. Pray what did I say to Mr. Barefoot? I. Taylor. You asked him if they had received a Letter from your Brother, and he said, no, not that he knew of, but he would call his Wife, and he did call his Wife, and asked her if she had received a Letter, and she said no; then saith you, I will take up this Lodging for mine, and accordingly you went up Stairs, and I went with you, and stayed there about four times as long as I have been here. Mr. Cowper. Are you very sure that I said I would take up my Lodging there? I. Taylor. Yes, I am very sure of it. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. What time of the Day was it? I. Taylor. 'Twas the fore part of the Day, while I was there, my Lord, Mrs. Sarah Stouts Maid came to invite Mr. Cowper to her House to Dinner. Mr. Cowper. Did you know any thing of my sending to the Coffee-house, I. Tailor. You sent to the Coffee-house for your Things, Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Did Mr. Cowper use to lie at Mr. Barefeet? I. Taylor. His Brother did, but I do not know whether this Gentleman did; but at that ●…e he took up that place for his Lodging, and said it was all one, my Brother must pay for't, and therefore I will take it up for myself. Mr. Cowper, call Mrs. Barefoot and her Maid. But they▪ not presently appearing. Mr. Cowper, My Lord, in the mean time I will go on to the other part of my Evidence, in opening of which I shall be very short. My Lord, my Wife Lodging at Hertford, occasioned me frequently to come down Mrs. Stout became well acquainted with her, when Business was over in the long vacation, I resided pretty much at Hartford, and Mr. Martial came down to pay me a Visit, and this introduced his Knowledge of Mrs. Stout; when she was first acquainted with him she received him with a great deal of Civility and Kindness, which induced him to make his Addresses to her, as he did by way of Courtship. It happened one Evening, that she and one Mrs. Crook, Mr. Marshal, and myself, were walking together, and Mr. Martial and Mrs. Crook, going some little way before us, she took this Opportunity to speak to me, in such Terms I must confess surprised me: Says she Mr. Cowper, I did not think you had been so dull, I was inquisitive to know in what my dullness did consist: Why says she do you imag●…ne I intent to Marry Mr. Martial, I said I thought she did, and that if she did not, she was much to blame in what she had done, no says she I thought it might serve to divert the Censure of the World, and favour our Acquaintance. My Lord, I have some original Letters, under her own Hand which will make this fully manifest▪ I will produce the Letters, after I have called, Mr. Martial. Mr. Martial. Mr. Marshal, If your Lordship pleases, it was in the long vacation, I came down to spend a little of my leisure ●…ime at Hertford, the reason of my going thither, was because Mr. Cowper was there at that time: The first Night when I came down, I found Mrs, Sarah Stout Visiting at Mr. Cowper's Lodgings, and there I first came acquainted with her; and she afterwards gave me frequent Opportunities of approving that Acquaintance, and by the manner of my Reception by her, I had not reason to suspect the use it seems I was designed for; when I came to Town, my Lord, I was generally told of my Courting Mrs. Stout, which I confess was not then in my Head but it being represented to me as a thing easily to be got over; and believing the Report of the World as to her Fortune, I did afterwards make my Application to her, but upon very little Trial of that sort. I received a very fair Denial, and there ended my Suit: Mr. Cowper having been 〈◊〉 friendly to me as to give me notice of somethings, that convinced me I ought to be thankful I had no more to to do with her. Mr. B. Hatsel, When did she cast you off? Mr. Marshal, I can't be positive as to the time my Lord, but it was in Answer to the only serious Letter I ever writ to her; as I remember, I was not over importunate in this Affair, for I never was a very violent Lover. Mr. B. Hatsell. Well, but tell the time as near as you can. Mr. Martial. I believe it was the Second or Third time I came down to Hertford, which is about a Year and half since; and during the whole of my Acquaintance with her, I never till then sound her averse to any Proposal of mine; but she then telling me her Resolution was not to comply with what I desired. I took her at her Word, having partly by my own Observation, but more by Mr. Cowper's Friendship, been pretty well able to guests at her meaning. Mr. Cowper. Because what you say may stand confirmed beyond contradiction▪ I desire you to say whether you have any Letters from her to yourself. Mr. Marshal, Yes I have a Letter in my Hand, which she sent me upon occasion of some Songs I sent her when I came to Town, which she had before desired of me, and this is a Letter in Answer to mine, 'tis her Hand writing, and directed to me. Mr. B. Hatsel, How do you know 'tis her Hand writing? Mr. Marshal, I have seen her Write, and seen and received several Letters from her. Mr. Cowper, Pray show it Mr. Beale. Mr. Beale, I believe it to be her Hand I have seen her Write, and have a Reciept of hers. Clerk of Arraignment, 'tis directed to Mr. Thomas Martial, at Lyons-Inn, and Dated Sept. 26 1697. Sept. 26, 1697. SIR, YOurs came very safe, but I wish you had explained your meaning a little more about the Accident you speak of, for I have been puzzling my Brains ever since, and without I shall set myself to Conjuring, I cannot imagine what it should be, for I know of nothing that happened after you went away, nor no Discourse about you, only when we were together, the Company would sometimes drink your Health, or wish you had been there, or the like. So that I fancy it must be something Mr.— has invented for diversion; tho' I must confess we have a sort of people here, that are inspired with the gift of foreknowledge, who will tell one as much for nothing as any ginger will have a good piece of Money for, but to leave ●…esting. I cannot tell when I shall come to London, unless it be for a night and away, about some business with my Brother, that I must be obliged to attend his motions; but when I do, I shall remember my promise, although I do not suppose you are any more in earnest than myself in this matter. I give you thanks for your Songs, and your good Wishes, and rest your loving Duck. Mr. Cowper. Have you any more Letters? Mr. Martial. Yes, I have another Letter here, but before 'tis read I think 'twill be proper to give the Court an account of the occasion if its being writ. I waited on Mrs. Stout one Evening at her Lodgings in Hounds-ditch, and at our parting she appointed to meet me the next day, and to excuse her not coming according to that appointment, she sent me this Letter. Cl. of Arr. 'Tis directed to Mr. Thomas Martial, 'tis without date. Mr. Martial. I I met unexpected, with one that came from H— d last night, who detained me so long with relating the most notorious Inventions, and Lies that are now extant amongst that people, that I could not possible come till it was late, and this day was appointed for business, that I am uncertain when it will be finished; so that I believe I cannot see you whilst I am in Town. I have no more at present, but that I am your obliged Friend. Mr. Cowper. Now, my Lord, if your Lordship please, I proceed to show you, that I went not so much voluntarily as pressed by her to come to this house, and for that I will produce one Letter from her to myself; and, my Lord, I must a little inform you of the nature of this Letter. It is on the outside directed to Mrs. jane Ellen, to be left for her at Mr. Hargrave's Coffee-house. For her to direct to me at a Coffee-house might make the Servants wonder, and the Post-man might suspect, and for that reason she directed it in that manner. There was Mr. Martial by when I received it, and I can prove the hand by Mr. Beale. Mr. Martial. My Lord, I verily believe I was by, and that Mr. Cowper showed me this Letter immediately on receipt of it, as he had done several others from the same hand. Cl. of Arr. This is directed for Mrs. jane Ellen: 'tis dated March the 5th, without any year. March the 5th. SIR, I Am glad you have not quite forgot that there is such a person as I in being, but I am willing to shu●… my Eyes, and not see any thing that looks like Unkindness in you, and rather content myself with what Excuses you are pleased to make, than be inquisitive into what I must not know; I should very readily comply with your proposition of changing the Season, if it were in my power to do it, but you know that lies altogether in your own Breast: I am sure the Winter has been too unpleasant for me to desire the continuance of it. And I wish you were to endure the sharpness of it, but for one hour, as I have done for many long Nights and Days, and then I believe it would move that rocky heart of yours, that can be so tho●…ghtless of me as you are; but if it were designed for that end, to make the Summer the more delightful, I wish it may have the effect so far as to continue it to be so too, that the Wether may never overcast again; the which if I could be assured of, it would recompense me for all that I have ever suffered, and make me as easy a creature as I was the first moment I received breath; when you come to H— pray let your Steed guide you, and done't do as you did the last time; and be sure order your affairs to be here as soon as you can, which cannot be sooner, than you will be heartily welcome to your very sincere Friend. For Mrs. Jane Ellen at Mr. Hargrave's near Temple▪ Barr, London. Mr. Cowper. Though 'tis directed to Mrs. jane Ellen, it begins in the inside, Sir; and 'tis dated the 5th of March next before the 13th. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. What March was it? Mr. Martial. I kept no account of the time, but I am very positive by the Contents, that Mr. Cowper showed me this Letter, and I read it, but by my now remembrance, it should be longe●… since than March last. Mr. Cowper. It was March last. That which will set Mr. marshal's memory to rights is this other Letter which I received at the Rainbow, when he was by, and he read it, and it importuning me to a matter of this kind, I did produce it to my Brother and him, they both knew of it, and both read it, and that will refresh his memory concerning the date of the other. Mr. Martial. My Lord, I was in the Coffee house with Mr. Cowper when he received this Letter, and he afterwards showed it to Mr. Will. Cowper at the Cov●…nt-Garden Tavern, when I was by. Cl. of the Arr. This is dated the 9th of March, and directed to Mrs jane Ellen, at Mr. Hargrave's. March 9 SIR, I Writ to you by Sunday's Post, which I hope you have received; however as a Confirmation, I will assure you I know of no inconveniency that can attend your cohabiting with me, unless the Grand jury should thereupon find a Bill against us, but I won't fly for't, for come Life, come Death, I am resolved never to desert you, therefore according to your appointment, I will expect you, and till than I shall only tell you, that I am, Yours, etc. For Mrs. Jane Ellen, at Mr. Hargrave's near Temple-Barr, London. Mr. Cowper. If your Lordship please, I will further prove this Letter by my Brother. Mr. W. Cowper. I can bear my Brother Witness, that when he has been advised to make these Letters part of his defence, he has expressed great unwillingness, and has said, nothing but the life of these Gentlemen could incline him to it. My Lord, all I can say to this matter is this, I do remember, that when she was one time in London, I think it was about a year and an half since, I am not positive as to the time, but when she was in London, my Brother came in the Morning to my Chamber in the Temple, and after some discourse, he told me he had received a Letter from Mrs. Stout that day, wherein she said, she intended him a visit at his Chamber that Afternoon, he told me at the same time, that his Friend Mr. Martial had some thoughts of her, and therefore for that, as well as other reasons, he would decline receiving the visit intended him; and upon consideration, this was the method agreed upon: At that time I lived with my Father in Hatton Garden, and this Gentlewoman having writ in the same Letter I now speak of, that she designed to dine there, and to come from thence in the Afternoon; says my Brother, you may casually, as it▪ were, take occasion to say at Dinner, that my business obliges me to go to Deptford in the Afternoon, as in good earnest it did, as he then told me, and from▪ that she may take a hint of my not being at home, and so save herself the disappointment of coming to my Chamber; I told him, I would find an opportunity of doing it if I could. At Dinner my Father happened to ask me, as he often did, when I saw my Brother; I took this hint and said, I had seen him at my Chamber in the Morning, and that he was gone to Deptford that Afternoon about some Law business. My Lord, Mrs. Stout was then at the Table. I no sooner said it, but I observed she changed colour presently, and rose with her Napkin, and went into the back yard, and we saw her through a Sash-window fall into a woman's Fit of Swooning, and they gave her the assistance that is usual in such cases. My Lord, the next thing I can speak to is this, the Parliament sitting late the Friday before the Monday of the last Assizes at Hertford, I came late from Dinner, I had dined about seven a Clock, as I remember, and having occasion to speak with my Brother, I found him out by enquiry at the Covent-Garden Tavern, and there was Mr. Martial of Lions-Inn with him. I had not drank above a Glass or two of Wine, but my Brother began with me, and said, I seldom trouble you with affairs of mine, but now I do not know well how to avoid it. I have received an importunate Letter, which I will show you, it came from a Lady whose name I believe you will guests; so he pulled it out of his Pocket, and I read it so often, because of the oddness of the expression, that I can say, I am sure this is the very Letter he showed me at the Covent Garden Tavern, the Friday before the last Assizes; saith he, the occasion of my showing it, is not to expose a Woman's weakness, but I would not willingly lie under too many Obligations, nor engage too far; nor on the other hand, would I be at an unnecessary Expense for a Lodging. Upon this subject there was some Discourse I think Foreign to this purpose, and therefore I would not trouble your Lordship with the repetition of it, that which is material is this, I did undertake to write to Mr. Barefoot to dispose of his Lodgings, where I used to be at the time of the Assizes▪ and my Brother with me. I said I would write the next day, being Saturday, but when I should have writ, it was very late, and I was weary, being then tied down to the business of Parliament, and partly for that reason, and partly in point of discretion, which I had upon my second thoughts, that 'twould be better for my Brother's business to be at Mr. Barefoot's, which is near the Court, and in the Market place; I did neglect writing, and though I thought of it about 11 a Clock; yet as I said, partly for one reason, and partly for the other, I did not write that time. My Lord, my Brother could know nothing of this matter, for I did not see him from the Friday he showed me the Letter, till he went to the Assizes, so that he could not know before he was at Hertford, that I had not writ. My Lord, I say as to this Letter I am sure he showed me the Friday next before the last Assizes. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Let me see that Letter (which was shown his Lordship.) Mr. Cowper. My Lord, one or two of the Jury seem to question whether the Letters are sufficiently proved; for their satisfaction, I will further prove them. Call Mr. john Beale, William Ochre, and Mrs. Low. My Lord, Mr. Beale is one of their own Sect. (The Witnesses proved her hand.) Iury. My Lord, we are satisfied. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. I believe you may ask her Mother, she will tell you whether it be her Daughter's hand. Mrs. Stout. How should I know! I know she was no such person, her hand may be counterfeited. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. But if they were written in a more sober Style, what would you say then? Mrs. Stout. I shan't say it to be her hand, unless I saw her write it. Then the Letter was showed to Mr. Stout. Mr. Stout. 'Tis like my Sister's hand. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Do you believe it to be her hand? Mr. Stout. No, I don't believe it, because it don't suit her character. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. But do you think she might not conceal from you what were her inward Thoughts. Mr. Stout. Not in such a degree as this. Mr. Cowper. Call Mrs. Barefoot and her Maid. I desire they may be asked what they know about my taking of Lodgings at their house. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. That is taken for granted. Mrs. Barefoot. When you came to my house, you asked me, if I had received a Letter from your Brother, and I told you no. Mr. Cowper. What did I say to that? Mrs. Barefoot. Then▪ you asked me if I expected you, and I told you yes, by reason I had heard nothing from you. Mr. Cowper. Where did I lodge that Might? Mrs. Barefoot. I had prepared the Lodging before you came, expecting you or Mr. Cowper your Brother. Mr. Cowper. And did I come? Mrs. Barefoot. Yes, as you used to do. Mr. Cowper. Did I send for my things from the Coffee▪ house? Mrs. Barefoot. Yes, you did and I carried them up into your Chamber as I used to do. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Where did Mr. Cowper dine that day? Mrs. Barefoot. Mrs. Stout sent liar Maid to desire him to come to dinner at their house, whether he went thither or no I can't say, but he went out. Mr. Cowper. What time did I come into my Lodging at night? Mrs. Barefoot. It was a little after eleven. Mr. Cowper. You are sure I came in a little after eleven. Mrs. Barefoot. Yes. Mr. jones. By what Clock? By the Town Clock? Mrs. Barefoot. Yes. Mr. Cowper. Did I go out any more that night? Mrs. Barefoot. No. Mr. Cowper. Is your Maid there? Mrs. Barefoot. Yes. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. What is your name? Mrs. Hanwell. Marry Hanwell. Mr. Cowper. Pray what time was it I came to my Lodging? Mrs. Hanwell. You came in a little after eleven a Clock. Mr. Cowper. Are you very positive in that? Mrs. Hanwell. Yes, I am very positive. Mr. Cowper. What was done before I went to bed? Mrs. Hanwell. My Lord, I went up and made a Fire, and then I came down again, and then I went up and warmed Mr. Cowper's Bed, and then he desired another Blanket, and I came down for it; and all this took up a considerable time; and Mr. Cowper was in bed before twelve a Clock. Mr. Cowper. Did I go out again that night? Mrs. Hanwell. No, you went out no more. Mr. Cowper. Now, If your Lordship pleases, I would explain that part of Sarah Walker the Maid's Evidence; where she says, her Mistress ordered her to warm the Bed, and I never contradicted it: Your Lordship observes the words in the last of the two Letters, No inconvenience can attend your Cohabiting with me; and afterwards I won't Fly for it: For come life come death I am resolved, and so on,— I had rather leave it to be observed than make the observation myself, what might be the dispute between us at the time the Maid speaks of. I think it was not necessary she should be present at the debate; and therefore I might not interrupt her Mistress in the orders she gave; but as soon as the Maid was gone, I made use of these objections; I told Mrs▪ Stout, by what accident I was obliged to take up my Lodging at Mr. Barefoot's, and that the Family was sitting up for me: That my staying at her House under these circumstances, would in probability provoke the censure of the Town and County; and that therefore I could not stay, whatever my inclination otherwise might be; but my Lord, my reasons not prevailing, I was for●…'d to decide the controversy by going to my Lodging, so that the Maid may Swear true, when she says I did not contradict her orders. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. I believe you have done now Mr. Cowper? Mr. Cowper. No my Lord, I have more Evidence to give. Call Elizabeth Sp●…r. If your Lordship pleases to observe, I have already proved by two Witnesses that I was actually at Mr. Barefoot's a little after Eleven; so that if I was to rest upon this proof, here is not the least article of time, in which it can be supposed I was employed in▪ this matter: But says Sarah Walker, the Maid to obviate (I presume) this Evidence of mine, our House-Clock went faster than the Town-Clock: Now to answer this too, I shall further prove to your Lordship, that before I came to my Lodging, I was at the Glove and Dolphin Inn, where I had a little Account of about six or seven Shillings, as I remember for Horse-keeping, and which I then paid. Mrs. Spurr. Do you remember my coming to your House, and at what time? E. Spurr. The Clock struck Eleven, just as you came into the door. Mr. Cowper. How long did I stay at the Glove? E. Spurr. About a quarter of an Hour. Mr. Cowper. How far is it from the Glove and Dolphin to Mrs. stout House? E. Spurr. About a quarter of a Mile, or not quite so far. Mr. Cowper. Call Mary Kingitt, and Geo. Man, (who not then appearing) in the mean time, I would observe to your Lordship, That to go from Mrs. Stout's House to the place where she was drowned, and to return from thence to the Glove and Dolphin, will take up at least half an hour, as I shall prove; and then the matter will stand thus: Says Sarah Walker, you went about a quarter after Eleven; but our Clock went half an hour too fast: Then according to her account, I went three quarters after Ten by the Town Clock; and if it requires, (as I say▪ I shall prove it does) half an Hour to go to the place where she was drowned, and to return from thence to the Glove Inn, that would make it a quarter past Eleven when I came to that Inn, by the Town Clock, which it was not; and if I stayed there a quarter of an hour (which is proved I did) it must be half an hour after Eleven when I came to my Lodging by the same Clock, which it was not; so that I think this matter as to the time is very clear: My Lord, to prove the time it requires to go from Mrs. Stouts to the place where she drowned herself, and to return to the Glove, I desire Sir William Ashurst may be called. Sir William Ashurst. My Lord, I can't say I walked as fast as I could, but I went with a Gentleman I see here to satisfy myself about the probability of this matter; I walked as People usually do, and I found it took up half an Hour and a Minute, when I walked with that Gentleman. Mr. B. Hatsell. Who was with you Sir? Sir William Ashurst. Mr. Thompson was with me the time I mention, I walked it before with Sir Thomas Lane. Mr. Thompson. My Lord, indeed it will take a complete half Hour. Mr. Cowper. I desire Sir Thomas Lane may give you an account of the distance between one place and the other. Sir Tho. Lane. Sir William Ashurst and I did walk to the place mentioned, and we were careful to take notice of the time, and it took up about three quarters of an Hour, according to my observation; and we did not stay at all by the way, except just to look upon the Hospital. Mr. Cowper. Now my Lord, Mary Kingitt and Geo. Man, the Servants at the Glove are come: Pray Mrs. Kingitt do you remember my coming into the Glove and Dolphin? M. Kingitt. Yes. Mr. Cowper. How long did I stay there? M. Kingitt. About a quarter of an Hour. Mr. Cowper. What was my business there? M. Kingitt. You came and enquired what you owed. Mr. B. Hatsell. What a Clock was it then? M. Kingitt. I thought it was about Eleven, our t'other Maid told it Eleven. Mr. jones. How came you to take notice of the time? M. Kingitt. She heard the Clock go Eleven, but I did not. Mr. Cowper. Was there any dispute about the Account? M. Kingitt. You asked the Ostler how that came to stand in the Book, concerning the Horse? for you told him, you thought you had paid some part of it, and he told you, you had not. Mr. Cowper. My Lord, with your Lordship's favour, I would ask George Man a question to the same point. Do you remember my coming into the Glove and Dolphin? G. Man. Yes. Mr. Cowper. How long did I stay there? G. Man. You stayed about a quarter of an hour, as near as I can guests. Mr. Cowper. I will now call a Witness to prove that this Maid Sarah Walker is not so cautious and careful how she Swears, as I think she ought to be. Call Mrs. Mince. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Pray wherein has Sarah Walker said any thing that is false? Mr. Cowper. In this, I asked her when she gave Evidence, Whether she went out to see for her Mistress all that Night, and whether her Mistress did not use to stay our a Nights; and whether she herself had not used to say so? If your Lordship pleases to remember she said no. Pray Mrs. Mince what have you heard Mrs. Stout's Maid say concerning her Mistress, particularly as to her staying out all Night? Mrs. Mince. She hath said, That her Mistress did not love to keep company with Quakers; and that she paid for her own board and her Maids; and that when she entertained any body, it was at her own charge. And she hath said that Mrs. Stout used to ask who is with you Child? and she would not tell her; and that she did entertain her Friends in the Summer House, now and then with a Bottle of Wine. And when her Mother asked who was there, her Mistress would say bring it in here. I suppose there is none but Friends; and after the company was gone, she used to make her Mother believe that she went to Bed; but she used to go out and take the Key with her, and sometimes she would go out at the Window, and she said particularly one time she went out at the Garden Window, when the Garden door was lock'●…, and that she bid her not sit up for her, for she would come in at any time. Mr. B. Hatsell. Did ever Sarah Walker tell you that Mrs. Stout had stayed out all Night? Mrs. Mince. She hath said she could not tell what time she came in, for she went to Bed. Mr. Cowper. Now if your Lordship please, I will prove to you, if it may be thought material, that Gurrey, at whose House these Gentlemen lodged, should say, That if I had visited Mrs. Stout none of all this had been (upon so little an omission it seems did this prosecution depend) to which I give this Answer, my Lord, I never did once go to visit her in my Life; she knows it. Now for a Man officiously to make a new visit in the time of the Assizes, one engaged in business as I was, and especially upon so Melancholy an occasion, I say for me to go officiously to see a Woman I never had the least knowledge of, would have been thought more strange (and justly might have been so) than the omission of that ceremony. For my part I cannot conceive what Mr. Gurrey could mean this being the Case; by saying, that if I had visited Mrs. Stout, nothing of this had happened. Mr. B. Hatsell. Mr. Cowper, he is not the Prosecutor, I think it is no matter what he said. Mr. Cowper. I take it my Lord, with humble submission, it is material as he is a principal Witness against these Gentlemen; and the rather for that he now pretends, that what he did was out of Conscience. My Lord, I have only one thing more to say, I know not whether it will be requisite for me or no to give some account of myself, Sir William Ashurst, if you please. Sir William Ashurst. My Lord, if I had not had a good opinion of this Gentleman, I had not come on purpose to hear this Cause, which has made so great a noise all England over. Mr. B. Hatsell. But what do you say as to Mr. Cowpers Reputation, for which you are called? Sir W. Ashurst. I always thought Mr. Cowper to be a Gentleman of singular Humanity and Inregrity: he is an Officer in London, and as to his management of his Office, I think no Man ever performed it better, or has a better reputation in the place where he lives. Sir Tho. Lane. My Lord, I came hither on purpose to own this Gentleman, and indeed he deserves to be owned by his Friends, and those that know him; his Character is altogether untainted with us, he has gained a good Reputation in the business wherein he is concerned; he has behaved himself in his Office which he holds of the City of London, very honestly and well; I never knew him discover any ill nature in his temper, and I think he cannot be suspected of this or any other act of Barbarity. Mr. Cowper. My Lord, in the next place, I would call Mr. Cox, who has the honour to serve in Parliament, for the Burrow of Southwark; and has been my near Neighbour these Eight or Nine Years. If you please Mr. Cox, give an account what Reputation and Character I have in that place. Mr. Cox. My Lord, I live in Southwark, where Mr. Cowper lives; I have lived by him 8 or 9 Years, I know him to be a person of Integrity and Worth; all the Neighbours court his company, I take him to have as much Honour and Honesty as any Gentleman whatsoever; and of all Men that I know, he would be the last Man, that I should suspect of such a Fact as this is: I believe nothing in the World could move him to entertain the least thought of so foul a Fact. Mr. Cowper. Mr. Thompson, I desire you would be pleased to give an account of what you know of me. Mr. Thompson. If you please, my Lord, the first acquaintance I had with Mr. Cowper, was in our Childhood, I had the honour to go to Westminster School with him; I did not renew my acquaintance with him till about Five Years ago; since that time I have been often with him, and have several times had occasion to ask his advice, in matters relating to his Profession: and I think no Man more faithful in the service of his Client than he is, and I am sure he is very deserving of the esteem of any Man, and I believe he never entertained a thought of so fowl and barbarous a Fact as this, of which he is accused. Mr. B. Hatsell. Mr. Marson, you have heard the Evidence, what do you say to it? Mr. Marson. My Lord our business at Hartford was this, Mr. Ellis Stephens and I went down, he is Clerk of the Papers of the King's Bench and Mr. Rogers is Steward of the King's Bench, and it was their Duty to wait upon my Lord Chief Justice with the Marshal of the King's Bench out of Town, and on Monday Morning we went to my Lord Chief Justice's House in Lincolns-Inn-Fields as we used to do, and there set out, but I being an Attorney of the Borough Court could not with any convenience go farther with them than to a place which I think is called Kingsland, and therefore I returned to my Business in Southwark, where I attended the Court as was customary and necessary for me to do, and set forth from thence at past 4 in the Afternoon; by the way as I remember about Waltham-Cross I met one Mr. Hanks a Clergyman of my acquaintance who had been likewise to attend my Lord Chief Justice to Hertford and was returning from thence, with some persuasion I prevailed with him to go back again with me to Hertford, telling him, I did not know the way, and we galloped every step of it because Night was coming on, it was about 8 a Clock when we came in, Mr. Hanks and I found the Marshal, Mr. Stevens, Mr. Rogers, Mr. Rutkin, and others of the Marshal's Acquaintance at the Coffeehouse; and truly when I came in I might for aught I know be in a Sweat with riding so hard as we did, but even then I was not in such a Sweat as the Witness would have it. My Lord, we went from thence to the Glove and Dolphin and stayed there till about 11 a Clock, Mr. Rogers and I had a Dispute who should lie with Mr. Stevens at the now Witness Mr. Gurry's, at last it was agreed between us to go to Gurry's to see what Convenience he could make for us, and Mr. Rutkin and Mr. Hanks went with us with design to drink a Glass of Wine at our Lodging, but afterwards it came in Mr. Rutkin's Head, that he was to lie with the Marshal, and for that reason he said he would go back again, and accordingly he went, and Mr. Hanks with him after they had seen us into our Lodgings, and Mr. Stevens and Mr. Rogers and I drank 3 Bottles of Wine together, Mr. Gurry our Landlord was sent to fetch it; and afterwards in jocular Conversation I believe Mr. Stevens might ask Mr. Gurry if he knew one Mrs. Sarah Stout, and the reason why he asked that Question our Witnesses will explain; I believe he might likewise ask, what sort of Woman she was; and possibly I might say the words, My Friend may be in with her, tho' I remember not I did say any thing like it, but I say there is a possibility I might, because I had heard she had denied Mr. Marshal's Suit, and that might induce me to say, my Friend may be in with her, for all that I remember, I confess Mr. Rogers asked me what Money I had got that Day, meaning at the Borough Court, I answered, Fifty Shillings, saith he, we have been here a spending our Money, I think you aught to treat us, or to that purpose; as for the Bundle mentioned, I had no such except a pair of Sleeves and a Neckcloth: As to the Evidence which goes to words spoken, the Witnesses have fruitful Inventions, and as they have wrested and improved the Instances I have been particular in, so have the rest, or otherwise forged them out of their own Heads. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Mr Rogers, what do you say to it? Mr. Rogers. We came down with the Marshal of the King's Bench, it reigned every step of the way, so that my Spatterdashers and Shoes were fai●… to be dried; and it raining so hard we did not think Mr. Marson would have come that day, and therefore we provided but one Bed, tho' otherwise we should have provided two, and were to give a Crown for our Night's Lodging; we went from the Coffee-house to the Tavern, as Mr. Marson has said, and from the Tavern the next way to our Lodging, where there was some merry and open Discourse of this Gentlewoman, but I never saw her in my life, nor heard of her Name before she was mentioned there. Mr. Stevens. We never stirred from one another, but went along with the Marshal of the Kings-Bench to accompany my Lord Chief Justice out of Town, as is usual. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. I thought it had been usual to for him go but half of the way with my Lord Chief Justice. Mr. Rogers. They generally return back after they have gone half the way, but some of the head Officers go throughout. Mr. Stevens. It was the first Circuit after the Marshal came into his Office, and that's the reason the Marshal went the whole way. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Did not you talk of her Courting-days being over? Prisoners. Not one word of it, we absolutely deny it. Mr. Stevens, I never saw her. Mr. jones. Mr. Marson, did you ride in Boots? Mr. Marson, Yes. Mr. jones. How came your Shoes to be wet? Mr. Marson. I had none. Call Mr. Heath, Mr. Hunt, and Mr. Foster. Mr. Marson. Mr. Hunt will you please to acquaint my Lord and the Jury with what Discourse we had on Sunday Night before the Assizes at the Old Devil Tavern at Temple Barr. Mr. Hunt. On Sunday night I happened to be in company with Mr. Marson and 3 or 4 more of Clifford's Inn, and there was a Discourse of the Marshall's attending my Lord Chief Justice out of Town to Hertford, and Mr. Marson said, It may be the Mar shall may require my waiting▪ upon him too; and the whole Company being known to Mr. Martial, and there being a Discourse of Mr. Marsholl's courting of Mrs. Stout, saith one of the Company, If you do go to Hertford pray enqu●…re after Mr. marshal's Mistress, and bring us an account of her. Mr. jones. Who was in company? Mr. Hunt. There was Mr. Heath, Mr. Foster, Mr. Marson, Mr. Stevens, Mr. Bevor, and Mr. Martial. Mr. Marson. Now it was this Discourse that gave us occasion to talk of this Woman at Gurreys' House, which we did openly and harmlessly. Mr. Foster, Do you remember any thing of our talking of this Gentlewoman on Sunday Night? Mr. Foster, Yes, I and they were talking that they should go to Hertford the next Day, to wait on the Marshal in compliment to my Lord Chief Justice, and go as far as Hertford; and there being a Report, that Mr. Martial courted this Woman, we put it in a jesting way, Pray inquire after Mr. marshal's Mistress how the Match goes on, for there was some Wagers between him and the Company who should be married first: and so in a jocular way it went about, and Mr. Marson or Mr. Stevens said, They would do their endeavour, and they would inquire after the Lady, and give as good an account of her as they could. Mr. Stevens. If you please, my Lord, we will call another to this purpose. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. No, I think you need not, for it seems not material. Then Mr. Hanks was called. Mr. Hanks▪ I came as far as Waltham's Cross to wait upon my Lord Chief Justice, I stayed there till about 4 or 5 a Clock, and then set out for London, and I met with Mr. Marson who importuned me to go back with him to Hertford, and accordingly I did so, and we came in about 7 or 8 at Night, and we enquired after the Marshal of the King's Bench and where he had set up his Horses, and we found him in the Coffeehouse just by the Court and we went and set up our Horses, and came again to him, from thence we went to the Glove and Dolphin Tavern▪ these 3 Gentlemen and the Marshal, and one Mr. Rudkin came afterwards to us, and we stayed till about 11 at the Glove and Dolphin. Mr. Marson. Do you remember how we rid? Mr. Hanks. Yes, very hard. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. What time did you come in to the Tavern? Mr. Hanks. Between 7 and 8 as I remember. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. And did you stay there till past 11? Mr. Hanks. Till about 11, little more of less, we went away together in order to drink a Glass of Wine with them at their Lodging, but Mr. Rutkin considering that he was to drink a Glass of Wine, and lie with the Marshal, thought it would disturb the Marshal, so faith he, I will not go in, but we saw them go into their Lodgings and returned to the Bull, where we eat part of a Fowl, and I was never out of Mr. Marson's company all that time. Mr. Marson. When you took your leave of me, don't you remember that the Door was clapped too? Mr. Hanks. I can't remember that. Mr. Marson. Mr. Gurry saith, I never went out after I came home. Mr. Rutkin pray give an account to my Lord and the Gentlemen of the Jury of what you know of my coming to Hertford. Mr. Rutkin. My Lord, I came to wait on the Marshal of the King's Bench to Hertford, and when we were come to Hertford we put up our Horses at the Bull, and made ourselves a little clean, we went to Church, and dined at the Bull, and then we walked in and about the Court and diverted ourselves till about 7 a Clock, and between 7 and 8 a Clock came Mr. Marson and Dr. Hanks to Town, and then we agreed to go to the Dolphin and Glove to drink a Glass of Wine, the Marshal went to see an ancient Gentleman and we went to the Dolphin and Glove and stayed there till past 10 a Clock, and after the Reckoning was paid we went with them to their Lodging with a Design to take a Glass of Wine, but then I considered I was to lie with the Marshal, and for that reason I resolve▪ d not to go in, but came away, and went to the Bull Inn, and after I drank part of a Pint of Wine, and afterwards I went to the next Door to the Bull Inn where I lay with the Marshal. Mr. jones. What time did the Gentlemen go to their Lodging? Mr. Rutkin. I am not positive as to that, but I believe it was about 11 a Clock. Mr. Marson. If your Lordship pleases now I'll call some Persons to give an Account of me. Mr. Cox. Mr. Cox. I have known Mr. Marson a long time, and had always a good Opinion of him, I done▪ t believe 5000l. would tempt him to do such a Fact. Mr. Marson. Capt. Wise I desire you would please to speak what you know of me. Mr. Cowper. My Lord, because these Gentlemen are Strangers in the Country I think if in taking an account of any Evidence for myself there is any thing occurs to me that they may have a just advantage of, I think I ought not to conceal it, for I am as much concerned to justify their Innocence as my own: The principal Witness against them is one Gurrey, and I will prove to you, that since he appeared in this Court and gave his Evidence he went out in a triumphant manner, and boasted, that he by his management had done more against these Gentlemen than all the Prosecutors Witnesses could do besides; to add to that I have another piece of Evidence that I have been just acquainted with. My Lord, it is the Widow Davis, Gurrey's Wives Sister that I would call. Major Lane, My Lord, I have known Mr. Marson ever since he was two years old, and never saw him but a civiliz▪ d Man in my life; he was well bred up among us, and I never saw him given to Debauchery in all my life. Mr. Bar. Hatsell, Where do you live? Major Lane. In Southwark, my Lord. Mr. Bar. Hatsell, Well, what do you say, Mrs. Davis? Mrs. Davis, I came to the House where these Gentlemen lodged I was in about half an Hour, and my Sister asked me to air two or three Pair of Sheets; when I had aired the Sheets she asked me to go up and help to lay them on, and before I had laid them on, these Gentlemen came into the Room. Mr. Bar. Hatsell, What Hour? Mrs. Davis, By the time of my going out again I believe it might be about to, or something better, and they drank three Quarts of Wine, and they had some Bread and Butter and Cheese carried up, and so they went to Bed▪ and after my Brother went to fetch Mr. Gape, that lay at his House, from Hockley's. Mr. Cowper, I only beg leave to observe, that Gurrey denied that he went for him. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Ay, but this signifies very little whether it be true or false. Mrs. Davis. The next day after these Gentlemen were about the Town, and she said, she did believe they were come to clear a young man (a Minister's Son) that was tried at the Bar for robbing the Mail; I asked, why she thought so, she said she was sure of it, and I asked her how she could be sure of it, when she was never told so, why, said I, then do they accuse these Gentlemen, they ought rather to take up the Gentleman that was with Mrs. stout Maid▪ and she said, if they took up Mrs. Stout's Maid they should have never a Witness. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Who was that that was talking with Mrs. Stout's Maid? Mrs. Davis. I don't know, but she said she did not like their actions, and therefore she ought to have been examined who she was with. Capt. Wise. I have known Mr. Marson several years, and he is a person of as fair Reputation as any in the Borough. Mr. Reading. I have been acquainted with Mr. Marson Twenty years, he lives near the House where I now do; he has a general good Character among his Neighbours, for a fair man in his Practice, an honest man, and a man of good Conversation. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Well Mr. Stevens what do you say? Mr. Stevens. I desire Sir Robert Austin to give an account of me. Sir Robert Austin. I have known Mr. Stevers many years; his Brother is Captain in a neighbouring County, he is reckoned not only an honest man in his Practice, but has the general character of a good natured man, and he is so far from being a person likely to do such an action, that for a younger Brother, he was very well provided for; his Father left him a Thousand Pound, and he is Clerk of the Papers, which is reputed worth a Hundred Pound a year, and is in good practice besides. juryman. I have known him several years, and he hath the same reputation Sir Robert hath given him. Sir john Shaw. I know Mr. Stevens, and his Brother Captain Stevens▪ As to this Gentleman, he hath always behaved himself well in our Country, and hath the character of an honest Gentleman. Mr. Evans. I have known him for these eight years, and to be a very civil Person, and well educated, and never heard but a good character of him, I have also known Mr. Marson these 10 years, and never saw any ill by him, and do believe, that he or the other would not have done such an ill thing to have gained this County. Mr. Menlove. My Lord, Mr. Stevens was my Clerk, and he behaved himself very honestly with me. And since that; I have kept a Correspondence with him, and I believe he would not do such a thing for all the world. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Call some body to speak for Mr. Rogers, if ther●… be any. Mr. Evans. My Lord, Mr▪ Rogers hath a general character in Southwark for a very honest man. Mr. Rogers. Pray call Mr. Lygoe. Sir, please to give my Lord and the Court an account what you know of me. Mr. Lygoe. My Lord, I have known all the three Gentlemen at the Bar, but particularly, Mr. Rogers and Mr. Stevens from their Infancy. I have employed them both in business several times, and always found them fair Practisers▪ and believe neither of them would be guilty of doing an ill Act. Mr. Rogers▪ Call Mr. Thurlby. Sir, pray give the Court an account how I behaved myself in your Service. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Come, Mr. Thurlby. what do you say of Mr. Rogers? Mr. Thurlby. My Lord, Mr. Rogers lived with me about eight years▪ in which time I frequently trusted him with●… very great S●…mms of Money, I ever found him just and faithful, and can't believe, that any Money could tempt him to doan act of this kind. Mr. jones. My Lord, we insist upon it, that Mr. Cowper hath given a different evidence now from what he did before the Coroner, for there▪ he said he never▪ knew any Distraction, or Love-fit, or other occasion she had to put her upon this extravagant Action. Now here he comes and would have the whole Scheme turned upon a Love fit. Call john Mason, (who was sworn.) Mr. Bar. Hatsell. What do you say, Sir, to this matter? Mr. Stout. When Mr. Cowper was examined before the Coroner, he was asked, if he knew any reason why she should do such a thing, and he said, she was a very modest Woman, and he knew no cause why she should do such a thing as this. john Mason was you by when when Mr. Cowper gave evidence before the Coroner. Mason. Yes. Mr. jones. What did he say? Mason. He said he did not know any thing was the cause of it, but she was a very modest person. Mr. jones. Was he upon his Oath? Mason. Yes, he was. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. When did he say this? Mason. It was the same day that she was found. Mr. jones. Did they ask him any question, if he knew any person that she was in Love with. Mason. He said he knew but of one, and his name was Marshal, and Mr. Martial told him, that he was always repulsed by her. Mr. Stout▪ I desire john Archer may be asked the same question, (who was sworn.) Mr. jones. Was you present with the Coroner's Inquest? I. Archer. Yes. Mr. jones. Was Mr. Cowper examined by them? I. Archer. Yes, he was. Mr. jones. What did he say concerning Mrs. Stout then? I. Archer. They asked him, if he knew any occasion for Mrs. stout Death, and he said he knew nothing of it, or of any Letters. Mr. Cowper. Then I must call over the who Coroner's Inquest to prove the contrary. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. Did they ask him concerning any Letters? I. Archer. They asked him, if he knew of any thing that might be the occasion of her Death. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. I ask you again, if they asked him if he knew of any Letters? I. Archer. My Lord, I don't remember that. Mr. Stout. I would have called some of the Coroner's Inquest, but I was stopped in it. juryman. We have taken Minutes of what has past, it your Lordship please, we will withdraw. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. They must make an end first. Mr. jones. If your Lordship please, we will call one Witness to falsify one piece of their Evidence, and that is one Widow Larkin, (who was sworn.) Mr. jones. Do you remember one Mr. Rutkins being at your house? Larkin. Yes. Mr. jones. At what time did he come in? Larkin. Between 9 and 10 of the Clock. Mr. jones. Was the Marshal then in the house? Larkin. No, the Marshal did not come till near an hour after. Mr. jones. Did not he go out afterwards? Larkin. Not that I know of. Mr. Rutkins. I am satisfied it was passed eleven when I came in. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. It is likely it may be true, for I believe they did not keep very good hours at that time. Mr. Stout. I desire to call some Witnesses to my Sister's Reputation. Mr. jones. My Lord, they would call witnesses to this Gentlewoman's Reputation, I believe the whole Town would attest for that, that she was a Woman of a good Reputation; indeed they have produced some Letters without a name, but if they insist upon any thing against her Reputation we must call our Witnesses. Mr. Bar. Hatsell. I believe no body disputes that, she might be a virtuous Woman, and her Brains might be turned by her Passion or some Distemper. Gentlemen of the Jury, you have heard a very long Evidence; I am sure, that you can't expect that I should sum it up fully; but I will take notice of some things to you, that I think are most material, and if I omit any thing that is material, I would desire Mr. jones (that is Council for the King) and Mr. Cowper, to put me in mind of it. The Indictment against the Prisoners at the Bar, is for a very great crime, it is for Murder, which is one of the most horrid of all Crimes: you are to consider first, what Evidence you have heard to prove it; and though there be no direct proof, you are to consider what is circumstantial: They do begin with Sarah Walker, who was Mrs. Sarah stout Maid, and she tells you, That Mr. Cowper, when he came to this Town upon ●…he Monday 13th of March last, came to Mrs. Stout s house and dined there, and went away about four of the Clock in the Afternoon; but she tells you, that the Friday before, there came a Letter from Mr. Cowper's Wife to Mrs. Stout, to let her know, that Mr. Cowper would come and lodge at their house at Hertford at the Assizes, so that when he came, she thought that he had intended to have done according to that Letter. she saith, that after dinner Mr Cowper went away, and came again at 9 at night, and there he supped, he was des●…red so to do, (and indeed had been invited to Dinner also that day,) and she doth say, that after Supper, there was a Fire made in his Chamber (for this young Gentlewoman Mrs Stout, pressed him to lie at their house) and she ordered the Maid to warm his Bed, and I believe, says she, Mr Cowper heard her say so, for he was nearer to her than I at that time, and he doth not deny, but that he heard it; she says, that accordingly she went up to warm the Bed, and having stayed there a while, she heard the door clap, and when she came down into the Parlour, where she had left them, they were both gone, and that ●…he could not tell what the meaning of it was, and they waited for her all night, old Mrs Stout and this Maid, and she did not▪ come in all night▪ nor was afterwards seen alive. But Mr Cowper was the last person seen in her Company. The other witnesses that came afterwards speak concerning the finding of the Body in the River, and tell you in what posture it was, I shall not undertake to give you the particulars of their Evidence, but they tell ' you she lay on her right side, the one arm up even with the surface of the water, and her body under the water, but some of her, clothes were above the water, particularly one says the rus●…les of her left arm were above the water, you have heard also what the Doctors and Surgeons said on the one side and the other concerning the swimming and sinking of dead bodies in the water, but I can find no crrtainty in it, and I leave it to your consideration. Another circumstance they build on, and which seems to be material, is of her Belly being lank, and that there was no swelling, whereas, say they, when a person is drowned, there is a great deal of water goes in, and makes the belly to swell, but here was no swelling that morning she was taken out, and no water come out of her mouth and nostrils, only a little f●…oth there was, and her Belly was lank, but, say they, on the other side, that may very well be, for perhaps she might 〈◊〉 choked immediately, as soon as she was in the water, and, say they, you may not wonder at that, for it she went drown herself, ●…he would endeavour to be choked as soon as she could, for those persons that are drowned against their own consent do swallow a great deal of water, but those that drown themselves done't swallow much water, for they are choked immediately by the water going into the ●…indpipe, that we commonly call going the wrong way. The Doctors and Surgeons have talked a great deal to this purpose, and of the waters going into the Lungs or the Thorax, but unless you have more skill in Anatomy than I, you won't be much edified by it, I acknowledge I never studied Anatomy, but I perceive that the Doctors do differ in their notions about these things, but as to matter of Fact. it is agreed to by all the witnesses for the King, that her body was l●…nk, her belly was thin, and there was no sign of any water to be in it. They on the other side tell you, that her Stays was on, and she was straight laced, and that might occasion her bells being so small, and hinder the water from going in. Gentlemen, I was very much puzzled in my thoughts, and was at a loss to find out what Inducement there could be to draw in Mr Cowper, or these 3 other Gentlemen to commit such a horrid barbarous Murder. And on the other hand, I could not imagine what there should be to induce this Gentlewoman, a person of a plentiful Fortune, and a very sober good reputation, to destroy herself. Now Gentlemen, I must confess the evidence that the Defendants have given by these Letters, if you believe them to be this Gentlewoman's hand writing, do seem to fortify all that Mr Cowpers witnesses have said concerning her being melancholy, it might be a love distraction, and she might have been a virtuous woman for all that, for it might be a distemper which c●…me upon her, and turned her Brains, and discomposed her mind, and then no wonder at her writing thus, in a manner different from the rest of the actions of her Life. Gentlemen, you are to consider and weigh the Evidence, and I will not trouble you any more about that matter. As to these 3. other Gentlemen that came here to this Town at the time of the last Assizes, what there is against them you have heard, they talk●… at their Lodging at a strange rar●… concerning this Mrs Sarch Stout, saying her business is done, and that there was an end of her Courting days, and that a Friend of theirs was even with her by this time. What you can make of it, that I must leave to you, but they were very strange expressions, and you are to judge whether they were spoken in jest as they pretend, or in earnest. There was a Cord found in the Room, and a Bundle seen there, but I know not what to make of it. As to Mrs Stout, there was no sign of any circle about her Neck, which, as they say, must have been if she had been strangled. Some spots there were, but it is said possibly those might be occasioned by rubbing against some Piles or Stakes in the River. Truly, Gentlemen, these three men by their talking have given great cause of suspicion, but whether they, or Mr Cowper, are guilty or no, that you are to determine. I am sensible I have omitted many things, but I am a little a faint, and cannot repeat any more of the Evidence. Iury. We have taken Minutes, my Lord. Mr Baron Hatsell. Well, than Gentlemen, go together, and consider your Evidence, and I pray God direct you in giving your Verdict. Than one was sworn to keep the Jury, and in about half an hour the Jury returned. Cl. of A●…r. Gentlemen, are you all agreed in your Verdict? Omnes. Yes. Cl. of Ar. Who shall say for you? Omnes. Foreman. Cl. of A●…r. Spencer Cowper. Hold up thy hand, (which he did) Look upon the Prisoner; how say you? Is he guilty of the Felony and Murder whereof he stands Indicted, or not guilty? Foreman. Not guilty. In like manner the Jury did give their Verdict that john Marson, Ell●… 〈◊〉, and William Rog●… were not guilty▪ The Examination of john Marson, taken before me this 7th day of April, 1699. This should have been inserted in the beginning of page 23 WHo being examined where he was on Monday the 13th of March last, saith, that he was at the Burro●…gh of Southwark (he being an Attorney of the said Court) till past four of the Clock in the afternoon; and saith that he set out from Southwark for Hartford soon after, and came to Hartford about 8 of the clock the same afternoon, and put up his Horse at the sign of an Inn there, and then went to the Hand and Glove, together with Godfrey Gimbart, Esq, Ellis Stevens, William Rogers, and some others, where they stayed till about eleven of the clock at night, and then this Examinant went thence directly to the house of john Gurrey, with the said Stevens and Rogers, who lay all together in the said Gurrey's house all that night. And being asked what he said concerning the said Mrs Sarah Stout deceased, this Examinant saith, that on Sunday the 12th of March last, this Examinant being in company with one Mr Thomas Martial, and telling him that this Examinant intended the next day for Hartford with the Marshal of the King's Bench, the said Thomas Martial desired this Examinant and the said Stevens, who was then also in company, that they would go and see the said Sarah Stout (his Sweetheart) He confesseth that he did ask the said Gurrey if he would show this Examinant where the said Stout lived, telling the said Gurrey that his name was Marshal, and asked him if he never heard of him before, and jocularly said that he would go to see her the next morning; but doth not believe that he said any thing that any friend was even with the said Sarah Stout, or to such like effect. And doth confess that he did the next day upon, the said Gurrey's telling him that the said Stout was drowned, say that he would keep his word, and would see her. And saith, that meeting with Mr Cowper (who is this Examinants' acquaintance) he believes he did talk with him concerning the said Stout's being drowned, this Examinant having seen her body that Morning. john Marson. Cogrt. Dle & Anno ●…ict. 〈◊〉 J. Holt. FINIS. ADVERTISEMENT. THe Trials and Condemnation of Charn●…ch, King, and Keys, Sir William 〈◊〉, Sir john Fre●…nd, Ambrose, 〈◊〉, Lowick and ●…nbourne, for High Treason. Printed for Is. Cl●…ave, near Sergeants Inn in Chancery-lane. ●… The Characters, or the Manners of the Age. By Monsieur de la Bruyere, of the French Academy. Made English by several hands. With the Characters of Theophrastus, Translated from the Greek. And a prefatory discourse to them, by Monsieur de la Bruyere. To which is added, a Key of his Characters. 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