Pr. 
Come Sir; I pray be not so hot; I onely spake so much as I did, to let you know, that howsoever we differ in opinion, yet we may join in Affection; and if you will moderately and patiently discourse, I make no question, but before we part, we shall find where to lay the blame of our sufferings, and not be altogether free ourselves.  Pu. 
You are two to one; For you have a Pope in your Belly, and He on his Back.  Pr. 
Pray, judge not so rashly; I protest unto you, I am as far from being a Papist as you are, and from being a puritan, as He is; and though I agree with neither of you in opinion, yet you are both entirely in my Affection; and if you can arm yourself with Patience, you will find yourself more Popish, then I, in all things, and in some things, absolutely a Papist.  Pu. 
How? I a Papist? I defy the Pope and all his works.  Pr. 
I make no question but you do; yet be patient a while, and I will make it evident unto you, that you have been cheated into that which you so much defy; And though you look awry upon each other, yet it is but as Sampsons Foxes; For there is nothing betwixt your tails but a Fire-brand, by which you both intend to burn up that cornfield, which Christ hath growing in his Church of England.  Pu. Pa. 
What? do you compare us to Sampsons Foxes? what, pray, became of Sampsons Foxes?  Pr. 
Gentlemen, be not offended; I make that Comparison to wooe you, or to fright you from your present Conditions and Opinions, that you seeing how like you are to them in your present Practices, you may give the World a better account of your future being, then I can give you of those Foxes: For when they had done Sampsons Errand, they were never heard of afterwards; And if you go on, it may be your great Masters will secretly dispose of you, when you have dispatched a holy man will be sorry to think.  Pa. 
For my part, I am content to hear you, and if you clear things as you go along, I shall be one of yours; But if not, assure yourself, all good men will think hardly of you to Eternity.  Pu. 
I will give you the hearing too; But if you falter, I shall wound you with your own weapon: And before you begin to resolve us in particulars, make good your former Comparison; How are we like Sampsons Foxes?  Pr. 
Your will shall be a Law, Sir. And that I may not tyre your ears, or mine own Tongue with multiplicities, I will name onely one Position, apt to our present purpose; which, when you have heard, I make no question, but you will confess the Comparison so just, that though you are discrepant in other things, and have been at deadly feud, yet herein, as Herod and Pilate, you shake hands to crucify Christ: The Position is this: You both allow it lawful for Subjects to bear arms against their King, to raise war against Him, to wage war with Him, to depose Him, to kill Him.  Pa. 
Where, and how doth the Church of Rome, allow this: It is a dangerous Doctrine, I confess; and I assure you, I have been taught otherwise: and sure I am our present practise, now fighting for the King, says otherwise; If you make it good, you teach me more then ever I yet knew.  Pr. 
Well Sir, I am glad to hear you say so; by it I perceive you are not Jesuited: Howsoever I shall tell you, what that learned man, cardinal Bellarmine hath determined; whose writings both sorts of Papists, as well the non-Iesuited, as the jesuited, have taken for Oracles: and if it once comes to this, Bellarmini est, so says Bellarmine, it admits no farther dispute, but challenges Credit; And says he, In terminis; 
Tom. 1. Contr. 3. l. 5. c. 1. de R. P. C. 6. & 8.  Potestas temporalis Spirituali, us Marito, subjicitur; A King is subject to the Pope, as a Wife is to her Husband. And upon this Foundation thus he builds; Papa Romanus potest jure leges condera, Reges ac Principes arbitratu suo constituere, aut dejicere: Regnaque bujus mundi transfer, prout Ecclesiae expedire putaverit; The Pope may make laws, make and unmake, set up, and pull down Kings, as he pleases, and transfer their kingdoms, as he thinks meet, for the Churches profit.  
red him, red Eudemon, red Mariana, red many more, and you will find four Causes by them assigned, for which, or either of which, a King may be Excommunicated, Fought against, Deposed, and Killed; These are the four,  
For 

1. dulness of understanding.  
2. Infringing the Churches privileges.  
3. heresy.  
4. tyranny.    Pu. 
And I pray, where do they that are called, or by which of them whom you call Puritans, is this Doctrine of King-killing avouched?  Pr. 
Sir, were there no more but the present practise of these unhappy daies, which hath rendered our country scandalous to all the World, and will for many Ages leave that Odium upon our innocent posterity, it were too much; For you cannot deny it, and the World will hit us in the teeth with it, That in the yeares 1642, 1643, 1644, and 1645. which were hatched in that year 1641. The English men went a King-catching.  Pu. 
I! a King-catching; what is that to King-killing? By King-catching is meant, we went to rescue our seduced King from evil Councellors, without any harm at all intended to the King himself; yea, to do him all the Right and Honour that could be imagined for Subjects to do their King.  Pr. 
Were it no more then what you say; yet you can never show me, where, and whence you had any authentic Commission to be King-Fishers: 
Mat. 4.19.  St Peter, I confess, had a warrantable Commission to be a Fisher of men; But where Mr Peters had a Commission to be a King-catcher, or a Fisher of Kings, I must and do confess my ignorance.  Pu. 
Yes truly, I though what a learned man you were; I pray you look into the Proverbs, 
Prov. 25.5.  and there it is said, Take away the wicked from before the King, and his Throne shall be established in righteousness.  Pr. 
Yes truly, and I think you as learned a man, and fit to be an undoer of Scripture, as Nicodemus was to be a governor of the Jewish Synagogue, or a Rabbi; when he understood not the first principle and foundation of Religion, concerning Regeneration.  
Who, I pray, are to remove those evil Councellors? The King, or discontented Subjects? red all Expositors; if you will not by them be convinced; Then how shall Subjects remove those evil Councellors? Verbis, or Verberibus? Ore Gladij, or Gladio oris? by Words, or Swords?  
But if you believe what you have said, viz. That your onely aim was to remove the evil Councellors; I pray undeceive yourself from that mystery of Iniquity, when you have onely asked this question, why the earl of Essex, and Sir William Waller left Oxford, and followed the King, when the King left it, and all his Councellors( I dare not say, evil, being men of as much integrity and wisdom, as ever this kingdom had) behind Him? Certainly, the answer will be this; Their Commission was not then to remove evil Councellors, but to Catch the King; King-catching, was the new Trade, to which the Common Souldiers were bound apprentices, and in which the Commanders were journeymen; The great Maisters of this Craft sate at rest upon the shore, while the Ship-Royall was tossed upon the Sea, by that lapland wind, which they had purchased with their plundered money, and thought it safer for themselves to sleep in a whole skin, while their Emissaries were bleeding to death.  Pu. 
Well Sir; this was yet but King-catching, what is that to King-killing? and how then holds your Comparison.  Pr. 
Soft and faire, good Sir, I only followed you in your own Deviations: know you therefore, that shuting at the King to kill him, was not to catch him, unless it were alive or dead; and for evidence of this, let Edge-hill, Newbury, and other places speak: when you had him on the edge of that hill, you thought to tumble him down and break his neck, as the Iewet intended to serve Christ, when they had him upon Edge-hill, or as the Translation is, upon the brow of the hill. 
Luk. 4.29.  Nor indeed do I wonder at it, since it is but to approve yourselves edified men in the doctrine of your new teachers.  Pu. 
Sir, let not your tongue outrun your lips; neither new, nor Teachers; this is a lye of your own forge, what Divines of ours have ever broached such papistical Doctrine?  Pr. 
Take not so much pepper in your nose for fear you sneese too much; I do not say, your new Teachers broached it, but I say, they brewed it, and you are their Ale-drapers, and Tapsters, you broach it, and tap it, and drink it, and sell it.  
Your Teachers, I say, have done it, and they are but New Teachers by the dead; Gregory the seventh was the first that brewed it amongst the Papists, and until M. John Calvins time, the Puritans never bought and of the Malt. And now if you please but to put on your spectacles, you will quickly see, the Kit is like the Cat, the Whelp like the Damme, the Colt like the sire, and Puritans and Papists agree like Bells. For.  
1. A papal Doctrine it is, that the Pope may change kingdoms, 
Bel. l. 5 c. 6. de Rom. Pont.  and take them from one, and bestow them upon another, as the chief spiritual Prince, if it be needful for souls health.( And if it were so, I wonder what King so just, but this great physician would find some distemper to let out the Bloud-Royall!)  
And a puritanical Doctrine it is, 
Vindic. cont. Tyr.  That Kings are of God by Institution only, of the people by Constitution, of God by Guifture, of the people by seizure:( you know what follows.)  
2. A papal Doctrine it is, 
Barcl. de potest. Pap. plate. in vitâ Greg. 7.  That the Pope hath supreme authority, over all Kings and Princes of the whole earth, and, that he hath absolute power to take away and give away Empires, kingdoms, stomachs, and whatsoever mortal man hath.  
And a puritanical Doctrine it is, That the people are better then the King, and of greater authority: the Collective body hath the same power over the King, that the King hath over any one person, that they may arraign the Prince, and their Ministers( for Presbyters were not yet out of the shell) may excommunicate him, 
Buchan.  that the power of the people over the King, is the same of a general council over the Pope; And as a general council may displace the one, if he be an heretic; so may the People depose the other if he be a Tyrant, and a Tyrant he is, if he hinder the bringing in of their Discipline.  
3. A papal Doctrine it is, 
Maria●s.  Regibus haec salutaris meditatio est, ut non solùm Jure, said cum laud & Gloriâ perimi possint. It is a wholesome Meditation for Kings to think upon, They live in such a Condition, that they may bekilled, not onely lawfully, but also to the Praise and Glory of the Regicide.  
And a puritanical Doctrine it is, That not onely Cum laud, 
Buchan: ( for the Puritan will outstrip the Papist in all that bad is) but also Cum praemio; if I had power to make a Law, I would make one Law of Reward, and recompense to him that should kill a Tyrant, as men are rewarded for killing Wolves and Bears.( And by your Doctrine, King Charles is a Tyrant for denying to set up, or bring in your Discipline.)  Pu. 
I marry, this was in time of yore, near upon an hundred yeares since; But who I pray, in these daies teaches such Doctrine, or who follows such Doctrine?  Pr. 
For shane man, will you never cover your own faults? Faults did I say? I should have said, iniquities, impieties; For it is the height of sin, and until you do with the giants climb up Pelion to depose jupiter, you cannot excuse your Deposing, or seeking to Depose King Charles, by your King-catching. But since you will have it, take it thus.  
1. By way of prophesy; from that holy and judicious man, Mr Hooker, who saw as far into the puritanical drift, as man could see; his words, these, 
Eccl. Pol.  After the Puritans have first resolved, that Attempts for Discipline are lawful, it will follow in the next place to be disputed, what may be attempted against superiors, who will not have the sceptre of that Discipliue to rule over them.  
2. By History; after this Monster was whelped( for it is partly a dog, partly a bear, barking and biting at all those, who have not the mark of the Beast;) near Banbury, and moulded in holborn( for as yet it did not see the way into Scotland) by the Islanders of Providence, and put to Nurse in London, by that man-midwife, Dr Downing, who knew well how to deliver his Maid at the same time, or a little after, when all sins were lawful, in this Oracle to the fraternity of the Militia:  
That for Defence of Religion, and Reformation of the Church, it is lawful to take up arms against the King.  Pu. 
Sir, take heed how you wrong an absent man, much more a dead man; and unless you are sure of what you say, Recant what you have said.  Pr. 
Sir, I thank you for your godly admonition, and return you for answer, I will not for the world belie any man. For the truth of this particular, you may inform yourself from Mr Marshall, who confessed to Mr Symonds, that he had altered his opinion, which was, That to take up arms against the King is unlawful, upon Dr Downings Sermon; and now he did verily believe the lawfulness of it: For besides D: Downings Sermon, it hath been examined and voted by a whole Table of Elders, That for the Cause of Religion, it was lawful for the Subject to take up arms against his lawful sovereign.  Pu. 
How came Dr Downing to escape imprisonment?  Pr. 
Oh Sir, he betook himself to the Puritans Sactuary in Essex.  Pu. 
Truly, you must excuse me, if I do not yet believe it, or you: For at this time Dr Laud was Arch-bishop of Canterbury; and he had so much power, that no place could be a Sanctuary to such Doctrine-teachers.  Pr. 
Deceive not yourself; For at this time was an Army of Scots in this kingdom, and it was resolved by the then Commanding party there, and by a powerful party here, That a Parliament should be called, and in that Parliament, episcopacy should go down; All the Conformable clergy should be questioned for revolting from the Protestant Religion, and the Arch-bishop of Canterbury himself, for intending to introduce popery; And if the King would not willingly yield to these, and other illegalities, he should be forced to it,  Pu. 
do you know all that you now say to be true?  Pr. 
I speak now upon knowledge, a posteriori; and so near as a man may guess, at the Foundation by the Building, or as they say at Hercules, by his Foot, so do I at their intentions by their Executions; And if they had not been resolved upon the Question before hand, they would never have voted it through such a Sea of blood, to the undoing of the King, Themselves, and kingdom.  Pu. 
You must pardon me still, I cannot yet believe you; For I know the Arch-bishop was not so tame and gentle, as to be scared with a bugbear, de futuro; For I myself heard him say, He feared not a Parliament.  Pr. 
And when he said so, I heard him say withall, He honoured a Parliament: speak his words at full, and you cannot wrong him, speak what you can. But to do that Man of Men right, He was not scared; onely he saw a poor Church, through the impetuous violence of a giddy Faction, falling, and himself, one of the main props, to be crushed with the fall, which no man could do with more Courage, and Christian resolution, when his turn came: And where is the man that will follow him, Dic bone Damoetas, & eris mihi magnus Apollo. But of that in his due place more; in the mean time, I tell you, Dr Downing was gone beyond Canterbury, though he was but yet in Essex.  Pu. 
I know you mean the earl of Warwicks House; as though that had been strong enough to secure him from the Arch-Bishops talons, whose Doctrine was so fatal to his Antichristian hierarchy?  Pr. 
Good words Sir, remember your own caution; wrong not the dead: I assure you, were it not to avoid Provocations, I would now answer you with the orator, si quam maledicendo voluptatem caeperis, eam malè audiendo amittes; and tell you plainly, you speak false English; which I wonder not at, since you seldom speak true latin.  Pu. 
Why pray Sir? who am I, that I cannot speak true latin, you mistake your mark, I am not Mr Edwards.  Pr. 
For all that though, you have lighted upon an unhappy name; for that was the very man, who was the occasion of those words from the Arch Bishop, when he was but yet Bishop of London: That Mr Edwards was then Lecturer at Algate; who being complained of, for no few dangerous Doctrines, some of the Faction in that Parish countenanced him, when he was convented before his Diocesan; whose sentence upon Mr Edwards being delivered, one of the company, Mr R. B. since dead, said, We shall have a Parliament ere long; whereto the Bishop replied; I would have you know, I honour a Parliament, but I fear it not. And that you may know withall, what latin Mr Edwards can speak, he being afterwards presented to a bnfice in Essex, and coming to the Bishop for his Institution, in his Examination he lighted upon this question, Quare baptizantur Infantes? His answer was, Quia ritum habent ad istum Sacramentum.  
And in truth, this made me take you for Mr Edwards; but upon second thoughts, and better inspection, I think you are Dr burgess; And if so you be, my former Reply was true enough; for setting aside, Quid tunc? & Quid de hoc? I wonder what true latin he spake when he proceeded 〈…〉 or? In what a miserable case had he been, if the then Re 〈…〉 for had not as mercifully, as merrily, took him 〈…〉 s quaint commendation, Nos scimus te benè posse pr 〈…〉 re, licèt non been potes disputare.  Pu. 
You overshurt yourself still; for neither am I Dr burgess, yet the man I so much honour, that here I will answer thus much for him; Nos scimus te nec benè posse Praedicare, nec Disputare; and so you have a Rowland for your Oliver.  Pr. 
Had you been the man I thought of, I should have had a Tacitus for my Cornelius: But whosoever you are, much to blame you are, and too saucy too, as to cast so foul and false an aspersion upon one so infinitely above you.  Pu. 
Cry you mercy, Sir, too saucy I think you said; why pray? Because he was a Bishop, an Arch-Bishop, and myself but a poor Presbyter? as though Presbyter and Bishop were not all one? But, I pray, what was that foul and false aspersion you say, I charged him with?  Pr. 
I must and will follow you in your own vagaries, that you may not leave any straws for your seduced proselytes to stumble at: Before therefore I remember you of your foul and false aspersions; Tell me, if you can, where you learnt, that Bishop and Presbyter are all one? sure I am, not De medio montium, nor yet De font: For in the Scripture, both Old and New Testament, They have distinct significations, at least of Order, if not of Function too: in the Old Testament, they went under the Names of High-Priests, Priests, and Levites; in the New, under the Names of Apostles, Disciples, and Deacons: and ever since in the Christian Church, under the names of Bishops, Presbyters, or Priests, and Deacons: Deacons subservient to the Priests or Presbyters, Presbyters subservient to the Bishops; both ordained by the Bishops, both ordered, governed, and disciplined by the Bishops: The Bishops by neither, nor by both; Nor is there at this day any truly Christian apostolical Church without Bishops.  Pu. 
No, what say you to the Reformed Churches in France, and the Low Countries? Are they not true Churches? yet what Bishops have they?  Pr. 
I believe in some of these places they have a Taut●mount; Superintendents they have, which is but an ill latin word for a good Greek word, and all one in signification, order, and jurisdiction; Mr John Calvin himself was superintendant of the Church in Geneva: And by virtue thereof, he ordained Presbyters; where they have not, they must thank necessity; else the whole assembly at Dort, would never so much have commended the English-Church Government, by Arch-bishops and Bishops; and so earnestly have desired the same amongst themselves: Bishop Carleton is my witness for this truth, so is Dr Feately, so is Dr Goad; Their writings are extant, though their Persons are dead: Beza too acknowledges Bishops to be of superior Order and Jurisdiction to Presbyters; yes, and so does Mr John Calvin too: 
jo 1. Cor. 4.9.  And at this day in the Protestant Churches of denmark, and Sweland, they have Bishops, where they have not, Necessitas non solvit Sabbatum; Their desire to have them supplies their want, and by virtue of that desire, True Churches they are; For it holds as true here, as in baptism, Satis est habere mentaliter, ubi non potest haberi sacramentaliter.  Pu. 
But, what say you then to the Church of Scotland? They neither have Bishops, nor do they desire Bishops: is that a true Church, I, or no?  Pr. 
I shall answer this with a sigh, and alas: There are Scot's Bishops yet living, Men famous; There are some Scot's nobility desire the Restitution of them: The rest love them so well, that they desire but their Lands; their Persons, their Functions, their Iuridictions they can well enough away with, only they are in love with their means: For these men, I say, God grant they be not shut out of the Church Triumphant, for destroying, as much as in them lies, that part of the Church. Militant; A Church it is, a true Church it is, by virtue of the Bishops being, and that part of the Religious nobility, who desire their return; what it may be hereafter, I know not: sure I am those who have been ordained after the new way of Mr Henderson, are mere Intruders, and not lawful Presbyters, for want of the imposition of the Episcopali hands: if you desire to red more of this subject, and will yield to sense, reason, or argument, I refer you to those incomparably written and learned books, Confessions and proofs of Protestant Divines, of Reformed Churches, That Episcopacy is in respect of the office, according to the word of God, and in respect of the use, the best: Observations upon the Ordinance, and many more; where the necessity and utility of Episcopacy, and the inconsistency of Presbytery in any well ordered Monarchy, are uncontrouleably asserted: if you will not go so far, or take so much pains, do but then remember, how miserable your Champions at Uxbridge impugned us, or defended themselves; if Cornelius himself had been there, he had been as Tacitus, and much silenced as those Mutes. And now Sir, for your foul and false aspersion upon that man of God; why did you charge him with Antichristian hierarchy?  Pu. 
Why? why I pray, did not he labour with might and main to bring in Popery?  Pr. 
prithee bewray not so much ignorance; do you mean that popery is Antichristian? If so, who do you think is Antichrist? when you have resolved me this, I make no question, but with a little recollection, I shall fairly quit that most reverend Arch-Bishop of this aspersion.  Pu. 
Yes, I think that Popery is Antichristian, and thence conclude that the Pope is Antichrist.  Pr. 
What is the signification of Anti.  Pu. 
It signifies Con: or against.  Pr. 
So it signifies Pro, or for: but setting this aside, I will end it with a jest; if I were a Constable, and upon Hue and cry to apprehended Antichrist, I protest, by way of suspicion, I should lay hold upon the Pope, if he were in my way, before any man living. But—  Pa. 
How Sir, the Pope Antichrist? you speak you know not what.  Pr. 
Give me leave to speak, I was going on to say; but that I have heard of late, Antichrist hath removed his seat from St Peters in Rome, to St Peters in Westminster, or very near it; And which of them shall be determined for Antichrist, Sub judice lis est: They both exalting themselves above all that is called God; if it come to a Vote, it is verily thought, it will be carried by five at least, That Papa est Antichristus, else Populus, so loth I am to offend either of you.  
But in earnest, Sir, why do you charge our late Archbishop with antichristianism, or popery? Antichristian, he could not be by that Badge; For never was Subject more loyal to his sovereign then himself, look else upon his Life and Death: And for popery, with my soul, I believe, he was as free from it, as any man living; look else upon his Conference with Jesuit Fisher, a Book then which was never writ better upon those Subjects, and to which I suppose, we shall never have answer: look again upon the actions of his Life, when he was President of St Johns in Oxford, to my knowledge, he sent three Images, and such as would have pleaded for more favour with any one addicted to Popery, as being the Images of Christ, the Virgin, and St John; which he found in repairing one part of his Lodgings, and making a window, that he might look into the chapel, and observe such as frequently resorted to Prayers, when sickness, or other necessities hindered himself,( else I do not remember he was ever absent) to the learned vicechancellor then being, Dr pierce by name, with this message: Sir, you know what to do with them; and accordingly, the vicechancellor replied, yes I do: and you shall see it before you go; and by, and by, he caused them to be burnt. A good argument, to persuade any man to believe, the Arch-bishop was not Popish: and when he was charged with this Crime, who were his Accusers, but two men that had lost their ears, and one, that had been whipped at the Carts tale? They themselves are living, and know I speak truth: And from this Charge, he came so clearly off, that the Lord Say himself, was purposely absent upon the day of his Sentence, as if he would say, with his Predecessor Pilate, I wash my hands from the blood of this just man.  Pu. 
How now Sir, whether doth your zeal transport you? do you compare the Arch-bishop with Christ?  Pr. 
No, no Sir, no more then he compared himself with St Stephen, but as St Stephen was stoned, and the Arch-bishop murdered, both Martyred, Populo ut placerent; For what other fault were they guilty of, but the Peoples disaffection? so the Arch-bishop died for Christ, for his gospel, for his Church; his greatest sin in the Peoples eyes, the zeal of Gods house eat him up: and as Pilate was loth to condemn Christ, because he was a just man, and had no fault in him; so was the Lord Say loth to have his hands in the Arch-bishops blood, because he had so few faults in him, though it may be as glad as the other, when it was spilled; his life being a great hindrance to his Lordships perpetual Dictatorship.  Pu. 
Sir, your Evasions are not so smooth, but you may be questioned for this: did not the Parliament condemn him? and was not he then justly put to death? how then dare you cast an aspersion upon the Parliament?  Pr. 
I neither am, nor will be in your Nooze; For know you Sir, no man living honours a Parliament more then myself, nor less fears a Domineering Faction: It was a Faction, not the Parliament, that first found him guilty, because they would, not because he was; and then condemned him, because they would, not because he was worthy; and last of all murdered him, because they found no way so fit whereby to kerb the crown, as by burying the mitre: And from that Faction, with the help of the City, have all our present and succeeding miseries had their Birth and Education, and in them too, I hope in God, ere long their end.  Pu. 
Truly, now you begin to speak plain and home, give me Demonstrations of what you last said, and I am not so wedded to my opinion, but you may wean me and win me.  Pa. 
And so me too.  Pr. 
I shall then think my time well spent: Propose you, or you then what you think fit, and as Lam able, I shall give you satisfaction.  Pu. 
First then, I pray tell me, if the Papists in Ireland were not the womb of our miseries, and are not still the only Rebells?  Pr. 
I neither dare, nor can excuse the Rebells of Ireland, for what they have done; They have been to blame, very much to blame; yet what they did, they did partly by example, partly by necessity; they have administered fuel enough, and too much to this Fire; but it was first kindled in Scotland; the Puritans there were the womb of it; though I must tell you withall, the loins that begot this centaur, were the Puritans here in England; If the flint and steel had not struck fire in England, the Tindar had never took Fire in Scotland; nor had the flamme ever gone over into Ireland to increase the Fire.  Pu. Pa. 
Pray speak plain, that we may know upon whom to lay the blame, and how much we must bear ourselves.  Pr. 
Know ye then that divers Scottish men( for many of them are singular good people, and as loyal as the world affords) were fed high, by the unparalleled Munificence of King James of blessed Memory, and King Charles of blessed being:( and long I pray God may He be) From which when He withdrew His hand, looking with the provident eye of a Father upon his numerous Posterity; they grew sullen and discontent, expecting this favour to be entailed by way of Inheritance: and therefore plotted to force that, which Favour would not continue: This was first-whispered privately at a Scottish Ordinary among themselves: Then it came to be spread in Ladies and gentlewomen's Chambers: I instance for one: I was accidentally the 8 of August 1639. at a Gentlewomans Lodgings in Sheer-lane, with a Doctor of physic, by name Edward May, and into that Chamber came a Scottish captain, by name— Nuppiers news was demanded; He, the Captain replied; Good news, the time is now come, that England and Scotland shall be one kirk, and you shall have no more Bishops then wee; let them look to their books, what should they do with so mickle means? That which serves but 25 of them, will serve ● 1000 younger Brethren; I am one, and God take me; I will fight lustily for it; and much more, and much worse to this purpose: One of the company wished him to be silent, and  told him, the King would never yield to it, as being against his Oath:  
Pus●…, replied the captain, you English are the veriest fools in the World, that Oath was but a me●n compliment; and this was carried so closely, that the King should neither help them nor himself.  Pu. 
Why then it seems, the Scots were both the womb and loins of these miseries, let them bear the whole blame of it.  Pr. 
Not so, the Scots were yet too weak; They knew if the English did not both indite and assist, they must surcease; they lay hold therefore upon all occasions: The year before the Iudges had sentenced shipmoney lawful; And the Common-Prayer book was sent into Scotland; and Burton that Divine, Prinne that Lawyer, Bastick that Physician, were newly sentenced and punished by the Law of the Star-chamber.  Pu. 
I, I; that shipmoney, that Common-prayer Book; and those mens ears cried for vengeance.  Pr. 
You are deceived—  Pu. 
Why, was not shipmoney illegal, and a grievous burden upon the Subject?  Pr. 
For the illegality of it, the Lawyers say, No. Et unicuique artifici in suâ arte credendum; And, as for being a grievous burden, I believe we have since found a little Finger far heavier; and this heavy burden to our destruction, whereas that light one was for our security: For, believe me, I have heard some of the ablest, and best knowing Sea-men in England say, we had never so strong a Wall before; and had it gone on but one five years longer, we had been strong enough at Sea for all the World beside.  Pu. 
But if it were not illegal, why did the King yield to have it removed?  Pr. 
He sought thereby to take away all colour of complaint, which doubles our sin, that He so good a King should have so bad Subjects.  Pu. 
But what think you of the Common-prayer book? was not that Popish, and justly offensive?  Pr. 
Noe, no more then our Common-Prayer-Book, of which I believe you will give me occasion to speak anon.  Pu. 
But what then think you, of the Punishment inflicted upon those three servants of the living God?  Pr. 
They merited more then was inflicted; the Divine was turned a melancholy Sir, and highly offended, because he had not that preferment he aspired; the poorest Deanrie in England had stopped his Mouth, and kept him as conformable, as when he waited in Prince Henries chapel: The Lawyer turned a proud Pharisee; and because he had a good Memory, thought he had a good Iudgement too; which seldom meet in any man, and were at great distance in him, one drop of Court Holy water, had cured his frenzy, and kept him in as calm a temper, as when he was in Oriell college; The Physician fell into a self-conceitedness, and because he could not cut his cloath according to his mind, he ran bias; some great Patient had kept him as quiet, as when he kept his Fathers Tann-pits, or waited upon his Father in laws hawks. Thus missing their aims, they fly in the face of majesty and hierarchy: They had great thoughts of heart, and thereby added much Tempest to our troubled Sea; for now the enraged people took those three for their Diana, and therefore welcome them into London, when the times were ripe, with rosemary and bays, which would have made a pretty show upon Calves-heads.  Pu. 
If these were but made occasions, what were the true occasions of our miseries? and where may we justly lay the blame?  Pr. 
Why Sir, the main that the Scots built their hopes upon, were those men that withstood shipmoney, and were sued and cast: upon these they work, and—  Pu. 
Pray tell us who they were.  Pr. 
I am loth to answer you, but that you may know I am not Fictitious, and yet that I may not bring too many Fists about my Face, for fear of a bloody Nose, or having my Teeth struck out for speaking Truth, I will name two, and but two, the Lord Say, and Mr Hambden: These two are  told by the Scots, that if they will provide politicly in England, themselves will be ready in Scotland: many journeys are made thither by Mr Hambden, many Contrivances are laid in England; They enter into Association, the one for Revenge, the other for profit, both pleasing to carnal minds: but the pretence is, To ease the groaning Subject of the intolerable burden of shipmoney, which was as welcome news to the madness of the People, as Jeroboams promise, when he got the ten Tribes to rebel against Rehoboam, their Liege Lord and King.  Pu. 
Rebellion? why, was that a Rebellion? I am sure the Text says, 
1. King. 12.  it was from the Lord: or is this Rebellion? sure I am, this was done by Act of Parliament.  Pr. 
True, the Text does say so indeed, but all Expositors upon the Text do say, it was only Permissivè, not Effectivè, by permission, not appointment: and good reason they had so to say; 
1. Kin. 12.19  for God calls it Rebellion in two several places, once in the present history, 
2. Chron. 10.19.  and once in the future Records.  
And this Rebellion, whether you mean the Scots first, or second Invasion, it skills not which, received not Countenance or Commission from an Act of Parliament: The first had an Act of Oblivion that way, the second not so much as from an Ordinance of Parliament, though it bears that face, but of a Faction in Parliament.  Pu. 
Why say you so? is it not printed, An Ordinance by the Lords and Commons Assembled in Parliament.  Pr. 
Yes, it is so printed, and yet it is not so; for you must know, that by Lords and Commons Assembled in Parliament, are understood, the Lords spiritual and temporal, and the whole House of Commons, or the mayor part: but that Ordinance had no Lords spiritual, few Lords temporal, and not half the Commons, and against half their wills too that were present. Besides, had it had the Concurrence of all, yet an Ordinance binds only themselves; an Act only can bind the kingdom, and an Act of Parliament there cannot be without the King.  Pu. 
The Bishops were outed by an Act, so their allowance was not necessary required; the Lords and Commons that were absent, were wilfully absent, not necessary: and the King hath willingly withdrawn himself from his Parliament; so that for ought I can perceive, it is an Ordinance of Parliament, which upon these Considerations is Tantomount with an Act, and equally binds the kingdom.  Pr. 
It is true, the Bishops were outed by an Act: but Acts of Parliament are not like the laws of the Medes and Persians, and I make no question, but this Act may be altered, and my Lords the Bishops restored to their necessary Rights. For, unless the Bishops do sit and vote there, that great body hath lost one principal Member; unless they sit there in their public and natural Capacity, the Church is like to suffer wrong: unless they sit there in their politic and particular Capacity, the King may suffer wrong.  Pu. 
What wrong can the King suffer by their not being there?  Pr. 
In good time you propose this question, for the Faction very well knew, they could never bring about their Engines, so long as they were present; for it they gave way to wrong the King, they must wrong themselves much more: they fitting there in their politic capacity only by virtue of the Kings favour, which these New States-men seriously ruminating, first by Petition, and then other wise by suggestion, got the King to pass that Act, that so there might be no mitre to defend the crown: an this they learned from their Elder Brethren the Rebels in Germany, who in their fourth Petition desired no Tithes, and consequently no Bishops, and their fourth new Doctrine was, all men must be of equal dignity, and consequently no King.  Pu. 
Truly, if the Lords temporal and Commons, had not since been wilfully absent, and the King willingly withdrawn himself, I might chance to stagger.  Pr. 
And truly so you may; for first, that the Lords and Commons were wilfully absent, nothing less: for they were fearfully absent, they could not be there in safety; they were threatened, not only by their Fellow-Members, but also by the gay Citizens of London, from the Alderman to the Scavenger, and therefore they thought it more wisdom, to be safe with the Shrubs, then in danger with the Cedars.  
And secondly, that the King did willingly withdraw himself; no such matter neither. He was looked upon as an ordinary man, so soon as ever that Act for the continuance of this Parliament was passed, threatened equally with the meanest Member, and by the meanest man.  Pu. 
Oh Sir, are you come thither? this will prove no Rebellion by this very act: for hereby he put the Power out of his own hands; felfe-harme, selfe-blame.  Pr. 
Yes Sir, I am come thither; and by coming so far, must retort your own ston, and tell you, that therefore the Rebellion is the greater: The greater the Trust that is reposed, the greater the knavery that betrays that Trust; besides, the King did not divest himself, when He invested them: not himself of Power, when them with perpetuity. And this is so far from making the Parliament above Him, which you couched handsomely or scurvily, in those words, He put the Power out of his own hands, that it is ipso facto, become no Parliament; whether you take the word Critically, or Logically: for by their turning the perpetuity of sitting which the King invested them with, into an omnipotency of Voting, which they were never clothed with, they have denied all the loyal Nobility and Gentry the freedom of Speech, which is the greatest privilege of Parliament Critically; and declined the Power regal, which is the greatest Honour of Parliament Logically; because a Parliament they are by the Power and Favour of Charles being their King, and a Parliament they are not, by being their own King, or the King of Charles.  
Besides, two great Lords of the kingdom wrong this Act from the King, under the pretences of necessity to pay the Kindomes debts, i.e. e. such debts as they had contracted by bringing in the Scots, and of promise, that they would make a speedy end of that Act, and making Him a glorious King: all which Conditions being broken and unperformed, for which that Act was granted, the Act too in my poor understanding, is null of itself.  Pu. 
Sir, these are but words, the Act is extant to justify itself; the Promises by whom to be justified?  Pr. 
You may have them justified by Duke Hamilton, and the L. Say, if their memories at least will be true; They were employed by the two Houses to beseech this Act from the King, because without it they could not have credit for 600000 l to pay the Scots: and when they had it, they would not make use of it for above half the year, and would by way of gratitude for so unexampled a Trust increase His Majesties Revenues and Honours.  
In granting this Act, the King declared a world of Integrity, who would lay himself solely upon His People; the Faction in failing the promise show a world of subtlety, and cry aloud, This Rebellion, is the Rebellion Paramount, nor was ever any like it: Indeed put all the Rebellions that ever were acted, and are recorded, together, and this infinitely outweighs them all, both in Divine and human History: Moses's kinsmen, Davids son, Caesars Favourite, do all veil bonnet here; Here are men, with whom the King took sweet council, men who walked with Him into the house of God, men that did eat of his own Bread, yes, and did wear his Cloths too, else they had gone naked.  Pu. 
Why name you only Mr Hambden, and the Lord Say? was not Mr Pym in it? and were there not other Confederates besides?  Pr. 
Yes, there were Confederates enough, and more then a good many; but I  told you before, I would not speak of too many; Mr Pym was in too, but he was kept close in the Stable, and fed high, that he might make no abortive leap, when his time came to appear.  Pu. 
Why spake you only of Duke Hamilton, and the Lord Say in the other employment? were there no other Solicitors?  Pr. 
None that I have received intelligence of, nor was there need of more; for one had hope enough by virtue of ancient favour, and undiscovered deception; the other of a seeming Saint, and new Reception.  Pu. 
Where now do you lay the first ground of this Rebellion, and our miseries?  Pr. 
Vpon the Lord Say, and Mr Hambden, with their Confederates.  Pu. 
Why so?  Pr. 
Because upon their persuasions the Scots made their first Invasion.  Pu. 
How know you that?  Pr. 
The Lord Wilmot, who was their Prisoner at Newcastle, and Sir— Barclay, who was sent by the King to redeem him and others, can justify it; for when they had asked the Scots, how they durst do this against their Native King? They replied, If some of the English Nobility and Gentry had not invited them, they had never invaded us,  
Here new you have the Rise of this Rebellion, and Engglish Faction preparing within, and a Scottish Faction invading without; both convenanted to join, in case the King should be strong enough to oppose: England the loins that begot this Rebellion, Scotland the womb that conceived it, Revenge here, and Gold there the expected Issue.  Pu. 
What preparations I pray, were here? you have name but few men, and those not very considerable.  Pr. 
I confess, I have name but few, but those few so considerable, Rebus sic stantibus, that they had soon infected the People by their subtle projects, and preparations; partly clerical, partly laical, both mainly Civicall.  Pu. 
What preparations clerical? what laical? what Civicall?  Pa. 
Thus, 1. Their new order of Cleriques, yeleped Lecturers, alias Trencher-Chaplaines, who depended merely upon their charity, and so were soley at their Devotion, have their forms how to pray, & their doctrines what to vent, which they durst not disobey, and form which they durst not vary, for fear of a Periclitatur portio nostra. Their prayers after this manner.  
O God, deliver the Church from the dregs of Antichrist, the City from Masses, whither people run by hundreds and thousands, the Court from Popery, and the King from Idolatry.  
Their doctrines altogether inveighing against Tyranny, prelacy, and a set form of prayer. And why thus, but to tell the people, that if it were not for them, and their society, all would out of hand come to nought; I appeal to yourself, if you have not heard you Lectures use this very tone of praying and preaching.  Pu. 
I confess I have; nor can I see any fault therein; their prayers savour of the spirit, and their Doctrines of the gospel. For why should they not pray for deliverance of the Church, the City, the Court, and the King from popery, and idolatry? why should they not preach against tyranny in Kings, pride in Prelates, and stinting of the Spirit by a set form of Prayer.  Pr. 
True, if the Church, city, Court, or King, were addicted to idolatry, or popery, if they King were a Tyrant, or the Prelates proud, or a set form of prayer stinted the spirit, but God be praised, Cujus contrarium verum est; wherefore their only aim in this, was to alienate the hearts of the people from the Church, from the loyal Citizens, from the Courts, and from the King, thereby putting Swords into the Peoples hands, while themselves sounded the Trumpet of Sedition.  
2. Their new Lay-Fraternitie, are to hug these setters forth of new Doctrine, make much of them, Feast them, Consen their Parsons of their Tithes, to fill their purses, that their new gospel might be established, till the Millenarian year of sensuality approacheth, which is  
3. Endeavoured by both upon the discontented Aldermen, and breaking Citizens; that the one would provide for the Bench, and make that Right, and the other for the Common-Hall, and make that Round: Hereupon Mr Pennington, who had more Arrogance then Ignorance, yet enough of both, makes faults in those loyal Aldermen, where he could find none: and for fear London should not afford him one after his own heart, Alderman Atkins is sent for to Norwich, to do service at London; because he had formerly been a Free-man of the Basket-makers is there; while in the mean time, Mr Ven Mr Manwaring, and Mr base, Cummultis allis, buzz it amongst the giddy people, that the old Sages of the city were all rotten at the heart; and it was now high time, and the time now fit, if they could make new Common Councell-men, the Game would be their own. Hereupon they Shuffle, Cut, and deal, you may be sure they had a good pack.  Pu. 
Sir, you tell me a wonder, and my heart misgives me somewhat was hammering, which my dulness cannot apprehended: pray go on, until you have fully enlightened me, say, what aim had they herein?  Pr. 
Nothing, but only to secure the Militia and Artillery-yard of the Head-Citie, which was by this Atcheivement grown greater then the whole body of the kingdom; That so they might awe the King, secure the five Members, Command what money they pleased, and vent this profitable Drug, Rebellion, at their pleasure, and upon their own rates, into the country, after they had nursed it daintily at the Mammes Papps in the city.  
Pu How could the King be hereby awed? Had not he the Tower to secure himself, and command the city?  Pr. 
Oh Sir, these men played their Game as craftily, as they packd their Cards; they had got the Tower before hand, 1. By Complaints, 2. By Jealousies, 3. By Desires.  
1. By Complaint upon that gallant Man, then Esquire, since for his merits, Sir Thomas Lunsford, whom they knew had ability enough to serve, and too much integrity to disserve the King his Master; Therefore their Jealousies and fears pretend faults upon him, because they could not in dead or really charge him with any: when his life was scanned, and nothing worthy the name of suspicion found in him, at last, they complain, he was not a man in whom they could confided; and therefore, unless His Majesty would remove him, they must be in perpetualll fear. The King, though loth to part with so trusty a Servant, yet rather then the least jealousy should stare upon him, pleases them in this: and in Sir Thomas Lunsfords room, place a man, against whom neither jealousy, fear, nor malice, could, or durst object, Sir John Byron, since Lord Byron: And therefore.  
2. The Citizens Wives are set upon a new Pageant, They cannot sleep quietly in their beds, for fear of something, God knows what; the Crickets in their chimneys sing, and strange hideous dreams they have, that Sir John Byron had planted all the Tower Ordnance against their houses.  
3. And thereupon Desires are now pretended for one Remove more, and if Sir John Conyers might be there seated, they would rest assured of the King's good Grace and meaning towards them; Actum est, it is done, Et hinc illae lachrymae, we are undone, Sir John Conyers was so sure to them, that they are now Cock-sure of the Tower.  
And so by conjunction of Sol & Aries, the Tower and the city strength, the royal and the Civicall Magazines, they at length appear in their own likeness; and though for a while, pro formâ, they petition His Majesty, till he could grant no more. They first awe him by frequent Tumults, and fawcy menaces from mechanics of all sorts, even at the Court-gate; by which means the King, queen, Prince, Duke, 
Ian. 10.1641.  are forced from Whitehall, from Hampton Court, from Windsor; and a while after scorned in a mock-play at Guild-hall London: what stuff was in it, I had rather you should think, then I repeat; bad enough, you may be sure it was, for Mr Ven himself was the Dore-keeper: from whence as I take it, came that memorable Speech, Ven with his Mirmidons; It might have been, and I trust, will prove no other in the end, Ven with his antics.  Pu. 
What meant you by securing the five Members?  Pr. 
If you know not that, you know nothing: a dangerous conspiracy there was; Five were most Eminent in that conspiracy; These the King sends to have attached, which being denied, He goes in Person to see them apprehended, for no less a Fault then High Treason: This is Voted to be a breach of privilege; and indeed so it was in their own Construction; for the King only was bound to keep the laws, Themselves only had privilege to break the laws, and against their privilege it was to be apprehended for breaking the laws: They therefore to amuse the people, take sanctuary in London, for some few dayes, and then with Guard and Regard, are brought to their Seats in Westminster, by an Army of Citizens, and a Navy of Sea-men. And now high time it is for the King to fly; and so He did whether He could for shelter; For He saw too feelingly, that they cared not what became of the Head, so the Members might be safe.  Pu. 
How could these projects yet command what money they pleased? and without it, and good store of it too, the plot whatever it be must fall.  Pr. 
Very true, and therefore our New States-men, first desire to borrow money and Plate upon the public Faith, which is soon as Creditlesse, as a Poles-Chremer, or a Scots-Merchant; These Hocas-pocas tricks, get them huge Masses of money, but not enough; therefore from desires they fall to Commands. One Ordinance is published, whereby power is given to two, three, or four men of every Ward in London, and of every Parish within their Lines of Communication, to affesse every man in what sums they thought fit for the 20th part of their Estates, with a superadded power to take it forcibly, if not paid freely. By this Legislative device, they get a second Magazine of money; but this too is quickly spent, or rather misspent.  
Therefore a second Ordinance is published, for taking away the other nineteen parts, from all those, whom they falsely called, or foolishly supposed to be Malignants, with so much pretended mercy in promise, that if the wife of the made Malignant would Petition for a fifth part, she should have it to maintain hit self, and Children, which for the most part was but pretended, being very seldom performed.  Pu. 
This is very strange, that the Citizens should not see into so gross a cheat, and forbear to lend more fuel to this Fire: But how could such vast sums as these devices could not but bring in, be expended.  Pr. 
Very strange indeed, but very true too: and that I shall show you in the expending of these vast sums, as you rightly call them: known be it to you therefore, that the Rebells Army was raised, July 30. 1643. which consisted of 19. Regiments of Foot, each Regiment of 800. men; Sixteen of these Nineteen had for their colonels, Members of that which you call the House of Lords & Commons; The mayor of those 16, had allowance to each of them for a Troop of Horse; the Horse allowance was 349 l and above per mensem. The Foot pay for Souldiers and Officers, was 47527 l per mensem or thereabouts; each colonel receiving 1288 l and upwards the month, which from the Date of their Commission to October 23. 1642. the day of battle at Edge-hill with their Advance money amounted to above 147537 l.  Pu. 
Admit this to be true: this came not to the tithe of the Receipts.  Pr. 
True, and therefore the greater the cheat; for the pay is continued from Octob. 23. 1642. until june 6. 1643. and each colonel still receives his pay for 800 men in his Regiment, who when they came to be mustered, three Regiments could not make up 800 men: so that they pursed to themselves above 140000 l.  Pu. 
These are but words; Quomodo constat?  Pr. 
Desire Auditor Broad, Collins his man, to show you the Close Committee Book, and Establishment of the Army; and if you find not a Broad and plain constat there, blame me. There you shall find the greatest part of this money issued by their own Orders to their own Creatures.  Pu. 
Enough Sir, no more.  Pr. 
Sir I pray a little more; Mr Pym from july 30. 1642. to July 30. 1643. receives no less then 4191 l— 12 s for his son Alexanders Troope: his son in Law Mr Symonds is made Treasure for the Associated Counties, and Charles Pym his son, a Captain of Dragoons for that Association: you may assure yourself, there was brotherly payment, Ca me, and I will Ca thee.  
His Cousen nicols is made Paymaster of the Messengers of Intelligence, under the notion of Posts: what he got by this office, guess yourself, for he quickly paid his Fathers Debts, which were not small, and coached himself with the Gallants of the Round Table, which could hardly be maintained by 140 l per annum, the utmost of his own Revenues. Vpon this his sudden Rise, it is openly reported, that Pym brought in his Cousen nicols on purpose to couzen the kingdom and enrich themselves: Hereupon nicols gives up, and the Office is by the craft of Pym, cast upon Mr Parker the Secretary to the Close Committee, with promise to reimburse him such moneys, as he should expend in that service; He in short time disburses 300 l or thereabouts; He desires performance of promise; the Close Committee issues a warrant to the Treasurer to repay him; This warrant is privately countermanded; would you know why? on purpose to weary Parker out of his employment, which accordingly falls out, and so is nicols by the subtle eloquence of his Cousen Pym in statu quo; viz. one of the grand cheators of the City, and then lines of Communication.  
I could tell you of a Lord, who after the Receipt of many 1000 l for his Regiment of Horse by warrant from the Close Committee, to be impressed upon account; and being called to account( which was more then ever other Member was) and his disbursements not balancing his charge; the business is stiffed, and his Secretary, by a warrant of that Committee, whereof himself was one, is cast into the Fleet; as if poor fellow; he had been the cheat; but to make him amends, after 22. Weekes imprisonment, he is offered his liberty, upon paying his Fees.  
I could likewise tell you of a Committee of Dispatches, whose office was to Survey all warrants issued by the Close Committee for the payment of moneys, who indeed proved a Committee of Dispatches to their fellow Members, but a Committee of Protraction to all other Commanders and Souldiers.  Pu. 
me thinks by this means they should loose their Souldiers.  Pr. 
No, for by the two former Ordinances, with the help of the Militia, they have as well awed, as robbed the unarmed Subject: And lastly, by a third Ordinance they break the Act of Pacification betwixt the two kingdoms of England and Scotland, thereby inviting them to a second Invasion, so loth they were to be Rebels by themselves; and to so much misery are we brought, if an Ordinance pass for Law.  
By this that hath been said, you see how and where this Rebellion was Conceived, born, and Nursed; Conceived in England, born in Scotland, sent back to Nurse in London.  Pu. 
I confess, I see how that which you call Rebellion, was Conceived, born, and Nursed, But for my part I cannot yet conceive or believe it to be a Rebellion, since it hath had so many blessings from God in the Prosecution, and God seldom or never blesses Rebellion.  Pr. 
True, God never blesses Rebellion; but he does sometimes permit successses to Rebellion; and those successses which you imagine to be Blessings, are but Curses in the Issue: I might instance in almost all Rebellions: I will instance but in one for all; That success which Jeroboam had in his Rebellion what was it but a Curse in the end? For it made but way for their slavery & Captivity; and those successses which this Rebellion hath had; what have they done, but ●●●●cated the Eves, obdurated the Hearts, and obstructed the ears of the Rebels; to all Honourable overtures and offers of Peace? And what will the Issue be, but their utter overthrow, or perpetual exile? so all good men, and most wise men judge, and hope, and pray; But leaving that for a while; Name the successses you have had; I will name the successses the King hath had; we will then put them into the Scales; and judge yourself which outweighs.  Pu. 
Content; I will first name our successses, and to avoid prolixity, I will name only our Eminent ones, and I begin with that at Edgehill, where it is certain we killed five for one, Octob. 23. 1642.  Pr. 
True, five indeed were killed for one; but on whose side? Certainly, where the King lost one, the Rebels lost five; else it is very unlikely, that the very next day, the King should take from you, three pieces of Ordinance, then march to Banbury, and take it, from thence to Brainceford, and there, being in a manner betrayed under pretence of a Treaty, should kill Ten for one, take three Barges laden with Powder, Bullet, and Match, with thirteen piece of Ordnance, and after all this, return safely, honourably, and Victoriously to Oxford, the Rebels never daring to peep after him.  
But Sir. I must carry you back, and tell you of one more eminent Victory, even to a full month before that of Edgehill, when the flower of the cavalry thought the King so weak, that they made no question of taking Him at Worcester; whence Prince Rupert, with eleven Troops onely of Horse, met them, Routed them, took four Coronets, slay two, with mayor Douglasse, and divers other Captaines and Officers, with their Commander in chief, that colonel Sands, who a little before had used this Imprecation upon himself, That He might rot alive, if ever he lift up his Hand, or drew his Sword against the King: Now, whether God heard him, or not, red the story of his Death, and guess yourself.  
I cannot blame you for declining all Fights and Losses; for you know very well, That from the beginning, you have taken nothing from the King, but what He had first taken from you by strength; you again from Him by treachery: And indeed setting aside those three battles, one in Lincolnshire, at Horn-Castle, in Octob. 1643. one in yorkshire, at Marstone-moore, in July, 1644. and one at Nasbye, in June, 1645. where can you name one battle more, wherein you have not been, in all foiled, in many Conquered, in every one Beaten?  
I have disproved your first supposed Victory, and name three for none. I have confessed three wherein you have gained, and you cannot, I am sure you cannot name one more; For each of which the King hath gained in ten: And all by miracle too: for you had all human advantages imaginable; Armies, Canons, Guns, Weapons, money; the King none of all these, but only a few loyal Subjects, who by Gods blessing, first fought with you for Weapons, and then beat you with your Weapons: It is so plain that all the Votes in Westminster could never yet gainsay it: But if you will go on, do, I am ready still to answer you, and give you satisfaction.  Pu. 
Truly, I am so far satisfied by this preoccupation of yours, that I have no more to say that way, but another way I have; The pursuance of our two Covenants, to which we are bound by solemn engagements, and to which if we jointly stand, I cannot yet see but we must have the better.  Pr. 
You might have said three, but that the third hath shown a way to break the other two: The first Covenant was to live and die with the earl of Essex; But they that made that Covenant have broken it, and Cashiered that earl; The other two, are so far from binding you to go on in this Rebellion, that because the one and the other are Covenants for Rebellion, you are bound, first to repent for taking them, and then to return to your first obedience, unless you will still maintain the first comparison of Sampsons Foxes betwixt yourselves and Papists.  Pu. 
Why, how do these Covenants confirm that comparison, and make us papistical?  Pr. 
How? why herein you join with them in the Dispensation of oaths; a Doctrine never so much as dreamed of before the dayes of Gregory 7. He absolved Rodulphus Duke of Suevia, from his Oath of Allegiance to Henr. 4. Emp. that he might take up arms against him; Nay, herein you exceed the Papist; For they first absolve from the old Oath, before they impose or take a new; But you impose and take a new Oath, without Absolution from the former, and so make yourselves ten times more the Children of Hell: But all such Doctrines and practices will have, I make no doubt, such ends as that Duke had.  Pu. 
Pray what was that?  Pr. 
Why in that very hand, which he lift up against his Lord and master, and with which he had formerly sworn to do him service, he received his mortal wound, which brought him to a remembrance of his sin; I wish I could say, and to Repentance, I am loathe to say, to despair.  
I could instance the like in some of your worthies; That colonel Sands whom I name before, while he remained in danger, detested his present practise, promised amendment, and oft called to mind his Oath of Allegiance; but having some small hopes of Cure and Recovery, he returned to his vomit; and had at once, a Reeidivation to his sin and Danger; and so without symptom of Repentance died: This is upon Record.  
And upon credible report I have received, that M. Hambden himself, after his deadly wound received in Chalgrove field, was advised yet to return to his obedience to the King, and so upon Repentance, he might find favour, both with God and the King; to which he replied, Alas, I am in too far, and so he died.  Pu. 
Say you so? I must confess I am almost persuaded to turn Protestant; but there are some rubs yet to be removed: I have discoursed with some of our best Divines, and they have assured me, that this Action of the Parliaments, is so far from being Rebellion, that what they have undertaken, they have been directed thereunto by the Motion of the holy spirit: what think you of it? Resolve me otherwise, if you can.  Pr. 
I will, and will deal with you herein by the word of God, which is the best trial, what proceeds from the Spirit of God: and the Word of God says thus concerning that particular; Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, whether they be of God or no: 1. Joh. 4.1. Now do you take this Text in hand, and Try whether that be the Spirit of God or no, which  
1. Seeketh by unworthy and sinister ways to accomplish their designs, as 1. By bringing in the Scots. 2. By robbing the kingdom of their pay. 3. By not relieving the distresses of Ireland.  
2. By bitter scandals and Lying Reports, seek to abate the Loyalty of the People from their sovereign, as by accusing His Majesty; 1. To have a hand in the Rebellion of Ireland, and to favour their proceedings. 2. To seek the destruction of the Parliament, & bring up an Army against them. 3. With an intention, 1. To bring in Popery. 2. To bring in a foreign Army. 3. To rule in an Arbitrary way.  
3. Seeketh to uphold their designs by lies, as appeareth by 1. Pamphlets. 2. Votes. 3. Letters. 4. Speeches.  
4. Expresseth an inveterate hatred, and rancorous malice to the Grave and Reverend Clergy of our kingdom, by, 1. Countenancing all Accusations against them, how unjust and Scandalous soever. 2. upholding all those who are Ex Diametro against them, and enemies to the Established government of the Church. 3. Not punishing the Riotous assaults made upon the Persons of the Bishops. 4. Accusing after a malicious, but Ridiculous way the Bishops of High Treason, and then committing them to the Tower. 5. Putting them from their Votes in the House, which hath been one grand cause of all these Miseries and Distractions in the State, and likely had been prevented by them if they had had Votes.  
5. Vpon false surmises and suggestions, Vote things to be Law, contrary to the fundamental laws, as 1. That the King is bound by Oath, to settle the Militia as they would have it. 2. That the King hath no Right in His Castles, Forts, &c. but only in Trust, which is forfeitable. 3. That they may by the fundamental laws, dispose of this Trust, which implies a forfeiture in the King. 4. That all Government by Corporations by the Kings Grants are voided. 5. That the Houses may make new laws and Ordinances, without the consent of the King. 6. That the King cannot execute the Commission of Array, without the Houses consent.  
6. Maintaineth Sedition, by 1. Sermons which incite the People against their sovereign and the Church. 2. Appellations of uncharitableness, as 1. Malignant. 2. Ill affencted. 3. Popishly minded. Whereby the Nobility, Gentry, Clergy, and other Religious men are abused. 3. libels and Pamphlets against sovereignty. 4. Speeches which tend to the great Derogation of His Majesty.  
7. Dispenseth with oaths of 1. Allegiance. 2. Supremacy. 3. Offices. 4. Protestations. 5. Duties of Loyalty; and punisheth them that make Conscience of them.  
8. Maintaineth Treasonable and desperate designs, in Hotham, Warwick, Essex, Fairfax, &c. 1. Killing the Kings Subjects. 2. Drowning the Country. 3. Taking arms against the King. 4. Taking Passengers Prisoners. 5. surprising the Kings Provision, and opening His Letters.  
9. Against common sense pretend, 1. His Majesties safety, and yet declare all that offer Loyalty to be the Kings enemies. 2. His Honour, and yet seek to make Him in famous to all Ages and Nations. 3. His Wealth, and yet take away His and His Childrens Bread. 4. The safety of the commonweal, and yet imbrue it in a desperate and Civill war. 5. The Liberty of the Subject, and yet 1. Imprison them for discharging their Conscience. 2. Deny them the Liberty of Petitioning. 3. scorn and vilify the Gentry. 6. The privilege of Parliament, and yet 1. Root out all that use freedom of Speech against their Votes. 2. Take away Bishops and temporal Lords. 3. scandalise the Nobility which adhere to the King.  
10. Will admit of no Peace, unless the King yield to an Alteration of Government in Church and State.  Pu. 
I confess you have staggerd me more and more; and yet you have furnished me with new matters of objection; for I am informed, notwithstanding all that you have said, That the King endeavours to bring in Popery; That the least he intends, is to set up and re-establish the common-prayer-book, which is compiled of nothing but the Roman missal, or the Popish mass-book: And I am in part induced to believe this, by that which is called the Kings Cabinet, or his Letters taken at Nasby; satisfy me in these particulars, and I shall tell you more of my mind.  Pr. 
I shall do my endeavour: And 1. That the King endeavours to bring in Popery; It is a supposition of so much unlikelyhood, that to me it is altogether a non supponendum; and a mere absurdity to imagine it: whosoever informed you this might as well have informed you, that He hath an Army of fairies, and intends to make all your Children changelings; only that it is to be feared, a Rebels posterity can hardly be an Innocent: Had he such intentions, why hath he been so hardly won to a promise of disburdening the roman catholics of the penal laws, either in England or Ireland, or both? And to that promise upon condition too, hard enough on their sides? viz. That by their means he shall be enabled to suppress the Rebellion: It never came to the promise of a toleration, much less to set up, or bring in Popery; The result is: My house is on Fire; I promise my Servants to ease them of their drudgery, if by them my house be preserved from ruin; yet they shall be my Servants still; They shall not share with my Children, not be indulged with any of their privileges: Make more of it, he that can.  
Had the King promised a toleration, what Popish King in the world would not have come in to quell the Rebels of England, who for these 4 or 5 yeares past have been of no Religion? add to this His often Protestations against Popery; which if I did not believe, my conscience would condemn me of Treason, if not of Infidelity; His Religious practise, and observation of the Protestant worship of God, which to imagine Feigned, is a sin of a very deep die, and would bring me within the compass of that Menace, with what measure ye meat, it shall be measured to you again, at least of— Propriu● est stultitiae aliorum vitia cernere, oblivisci fuorum. But these two Brands, Folly and hypocrisy, I resign to their owners, Robels, who never thought themselves safe, unless they were Bigami, more Knaves then fools, but enough of both.  
Secondly, That the least he intends is to re-establish the Common-Prayer-Book, which is compiled of nothing but the roman missal, or the Popish mass-book; I answer, Nothing truer, nothing falser; That he intends to re-establish the Common Prayer-Book; Nothing in the world truer: And if he did not intend this, you might doubt whether he intended the other; To bring in Popery: you have left off to be men by these Asustata; For to intend to bring in Popery, and to intend to re-establish the Common-Prayer-Book, are things so incompatible, and impossible to stand together, as to say, The Domineering Faction at Westminster intend to reform the Protestant Religion, but are resolved to admit of all Religions; They intend to secure the Subjects Liberty, but they are resolved to keep them in perpetual Prison; They have Voted for the Subjects Property, but it is formerly resolved upon the Question, that they will Plunder them of all they are worth; In a word, They are His Majesties most humble and loyal Subjects; but they are arrant Rebels: just such contraries and contradictons are the Common-Prayer-Book of the Church of England, and the mass-book of Rome: For take the mass-book strictly and essentially, for that which we call the Communion; The missal says, That the Body and blood of Iesus Christ is really offered up by the Priest to God the Father, a Propitiatory Sacrifice for the Quick and the Dead; Our Common-Prayer-Book says the clean contrary; It is a perpetual memory of Christ His precious Death: or take it largely and accidentally; The missal offers prayers to Saints; Our Common-Prayer-Book to God only; The missal ascribes much to mans merits; Our Common-Prayer-Book ascribes all to Gods Grace; In the missal many things repugnant to the word of God; In the Common-Prayer-Book nothing but what is collected from the Book of God; At least not repugnant to it, says your own beloved Bucer; And it was M. John Calvins advice and censure, that the schismatics( your elder Brethren) would return, and not be stiff. If ever you will be truly Calvinists, now or never take his counsel, and return to that which the Common-Prayer-Book teaches you, To aclowledge the King's Power to be from God, and therefore you faithfully to serve, honour, and humbly obey Him.  
Lastly, concerning the King's Cabinet; I have perused it, ( the sawcier knave I) and protest upon that hope I have of my souls welfare; That I find nothing therein, which may not justly render the King a wise Man, a constant Protestant, and a loving Husband.  Pu. 
Oh Sir, doth not the King solicit the queen to hasten the Transportation of the Duke of Lorraines Army? and can you think they will fight in maintenance of the Protestant Religion, and not rather to bring in Popery?  Pr. 
Mistake me not, I verily believe, That Duke would fight to bring in Popery, if he were invited to it; but do not you think, he will first fight against them that fight against monarchy, against the very Essence and being of Kings? do not you think he will rather fight for Protestants who seek to uphold Monarchy, then for Papists, if they seek to destroy monarchy? Certainly, the Duke of Lorraines Sword hath more love to the Protestant Religion, then Sir Thomas Fairfaxes, and a loyal Papists, then a Rebels, whether Anabaptists, independents, Antinomians, jacobins, Smectimnyans, or any other sort of Puritan, of which Locusts your Armies are full, or Turkes, or Iewes, of which Dragons your Armies are not empty: And if your Children and Servants, whom you are bound by the Law of nature to love and favour, and bring up in the fear of God by the Law of grace, shall come to that height of Impudence, both unnatural and graceless, as to Rob you, to undo you, to dostroy you, I pray what jealousy of declining the Bonds of Nature, or the fear of God can you incur from men, that are not Plundered of their sense, if you employ your Wife to hasten your Neighbour to your assistance, that hath the bonds of nature, though not the fear of God.  Pu. 
But Sir, have you red the Annotations of M. Lisle, M. Tate, and M. brown upon that Cabinet? I assure you they received mighty applause.  Pr. 
Yes, I have red them too; and find them so full of Nonsense, Malice and Detraction, that I verily believe, had they been sent to any other City in the world, they would have been return'd with that scorn, which those three Ambassadors were sent home with, There is neither Head, Heart, nor Foot in it; M. Lisle hath a Vertigo, M. Tate a Tremor, M. brown a Podagra; The one wants brains; the second Utterance, the third wants Strength; No wonder if the Auditors wanted ears: and the best I can say of them is, Here they came in, and here they went out again; Yet I cannot but say, that one of them well deserves to be the Parliament orator, so M. Lisle begins, My Lord mayor, and you worthy Gentlemen of the famous City of London: I am commanded, &c. They commanded him to flatter them; and he does it to the purpose; For famous they are, and will be to many Generations in that acception, Fama est malum: Rebellion is an evil thing: Another of them will deserve to be the City Remembrancer, and M. Tate challenges it at his very entrance; but I must remember him, Mendacem memorem esse oportet; But poor man, he will forget both, to lie, or to remember to lie, when the end of his speech hath taken effect; The Popish Party will kill you all: The third will deserve to be the City judge; For in his beginning he arraignes the King and queen, both with joy and sorrow, only he forbears to give sentence, for his last words are, I need not repeat the words: Not shall I need to satisfy you in these Letters: do but red that excellently worked Instrument, called, A Key to the King's Cabinet, and that other, A Letter upon the Annotations &c. And if you have not the Head of M. Lisle, the Heart of M. Tate, or the Feet of M. brown, I dare say, you will no longer be either Rebel, or Puritan.  Pu. 
Sir, I pray use not those words any more to me: I confess I am silenced for any more replies against you, or for Defence of this Rebellion; For less I perceive it is not, and I would to God it were a less Rebellion then I perceive it is; That I Perish not in it, Here, and now before God and the World I protest my unfeigned sorrow, that ever I had a hand in this Accursed Rebellion, or ever contributed money, or desire towards it, and beseech God and the King to pardon Me, and you and all good Men to pray for me, and wish with all my soul, that those fatal dayes to King CHARLES, October 1643. at Horne-Castle in lincolnshire, july, 1644. at Marstone-moore in yorkshire, and june 27. 1645. at Nasby, may never come into any calendar or almanac of Remembrance, least it prove an Encouragement to another Rebellion.  Pr. 
Enough Sir, I thank God for his Grace in you, I thank you for testifying so much to the World, but let those Dayes be remembered in the mourning Letters of grief and Sorrow, because our sins were so great, as to provoke God to permit such Clouds to frown so much upon his anointed: And let these fatal Dayes to the Rebels, be registered in the dominical letters of Ioy and gladness, in this or the like manner.  
We do and will give thankes to thee, O Lord, with our whole hearts, 
Ps. 111.1.  secretly among the faithful, and publicly in the Congregation, because thou hast done such a marvelous work, 
v. 4. v. 6. v. 9.  as to show thy People the power of thy works, and given us a hope of Redemption by a glorious Victory over the Rebels at Wickfield, Sept. 23. 1642.  
We do give thanks to thee, O Lord, 
Ps. 118.1.  and confess that thou art gracious, because thou hast taken part with thine anointed, and them that help Him, against the desire of his Enemies at Edgehill, Octo. 23. 1642.  
We give thanks to thee the God of all Gods, 
Ps. 136.1.  we give thanks to thee the Lord of all Lords, because thou hast continued thy mercy to thine anointed, and by a mighty Hand, and a stretched out arm, 
v. 2. v. 12. v. 15.  hast overthrown Pharaoh and his Host in the Thames, near Brainceford, Novemb. 12, & 13. 1642.  
Blessed be thou, O Lord, our sovereigns strength, and our own, 
Ps. 144.1.  who hast taught our Hands to war, and our Fingers to Fight; our Hope, our Castle, and Deliverer, our Defender in whom we trust, which hast subdued the People under him, and given Him a glorious Victory over his Rebellious Subjects at Cyrencester, Febr. 2. 1642.  
We magnify thee, O God our King, 
Ps. 145.1. v. 2. v. 6.  and will praise thy Name for ever and ever: Every day will we give thankes to thee, and praise thy Name for ever and ever: We will speak of the might of thy marvelous acts, and tell of thy greatness; 
v. 7. v. 8.  We will remember thine abundant kindness, and sing of thy righteousness, because thou hast been gracious and merciful, and of great goodness, in upholding our sovereign who was falling, and lifted up Him thy Servant who was down, 
v. 14.  by a glorious Victory at Stratton in Devonshire, May, 16. 1643.  
Our soul shall praise thee while we live, yea, 
Ps. 146.1. v. 6.  as long as we have any being, we will sing praises unto thee, because thou hast helped him to right who suffered wrong, in Conquering him who was called the Conqueror, and given the King a glorious Victory over him at Roundway-downe, july, 13: 1643.  
None of these thy mercies, nor any other shall go out of our remembrance, we will never cease praising of thee for thy mercies past, nor praying unto thee for thy mercies future; which we beseech thee to multiply upon the Head of our King, and in the Heart of His kingdoms, until thou hast subdued all Rebels, and reduced all Cities and Citizens, all towns and Subjects to the Duty of Loyalty, and the happiness of Peace, through Jesus Christ. Amen.  Pa. 
I perceive you have done, and I confess you have well done; for hereby you have cleared our Religion from any aspersion of this Rebellion.  Pr. 
Not so, for before we part, It will appear that you are more guilty in the Genus of Rebellion, then the Puritans, and as guilty in the Species of this Rebellion, as the Puritan; for you were the first Founders of this Doctrine, They but your Followers, and so made your sin in Doctrine, their own in practise: They were the first Projectors and Actors in this Rebellion, and you their Followers: & so you have made their sin of Action your own by Imitation.  Pa. 
You will hardly make this good.  Pr. 
try, and let the Issue prove it.  Pa. 
First, then I say, That the first Rebellion you can charge upon us, the Papists, was that in 1605. which was but in Agitation neither, never in Execution; I mean the Powder plot; but we can charge many upon the Puritans, long before that time: Namely in Scotland, all the time of King James, and a great part of his Mothers reign, Q. Mary, and long before that in Germany.  Pr. 
Well, as high as you go, you are still their Predecessors; For the greatest Antiquity of guilt in this kind, either for Doctrine or practise, that you can charge upon the Puritans, is either in the time of Mr. Calvin, or a little before him, in the time of Dr Luther, who did what he could to quench that Fire: but long before both these, it was continued in point of Doctrine by the Clergie-Iesuits, and conceived into the point of practise by the Lay-Iesuits.  Pa. 
Never tell me of jesuits, for I tell you once more, I am not jesuited: so far I believe King James, where he says, That Jesuitae nihil aliud sunt quàm Puritano-Papistae, jesuits are nothing but Puritan-Papists, I conceive I shall do no wrong to speak it in words at length, and not in Figures, The Brittaine-Puritans, are Roman-Jesuits, and the Roman-Jesuits, are Brittaine-Puritans: but we that are only Papists, have nothing to do with either.  Pr. 
I would you had not: But you are called Papistae à Papa; Papists from the Pope; and the Popes Doctrines Ex Cathedrâ especially you are bound to obey. And a papal doctrine it is, That Subjects may be discharged and absolved from their Oaths of allegiance, in some cases, and being so absolved, may bear arms against their sovereign.  
If you will not believe these words, look upon that Impious Bull of that Pope pus against Queen Elizabeth, and look a good deal higher, that you may not take me tripping; upon Greg. 7. whom I name before; And that you may be sure this Doctrine is not yet forgotten, or came under any Index Expurgatorius, Bellarmines own books were licenced by your last Pope, and the best you had these Hundred years: I believe too there were other Papists then Jesuited in the Irish Rebellion.  Pa. 
Alas, Alas Sir, you know the Irish lands were all sold, and themselves threatened to be all slaves or killed; And will not a bear bite it any comes to take away his skinn before he be destroyed; you know the Irish had Agents waiting at Westminster, and in that kingdoms name promising all due obedience to the laws of this kingdom, if they might enjoy those Fortunes which God and Nature had given them: you know that Scotland lead them the way; and why should not they expect as good success? and for ought I know, it cannot be termed a Rebellion against the King, but against Rebels in defending of themselves.  Pr. 
I know what you say, I know and wish that I could say with you For ought I know, it cannot be termed a Rebellion against the King: But I know it was: They might lawfully have defended themselves against Rebels, and been good Subjects; but when they came to offend the King, they made themselves Rebels: and which of the Rebels, the Papists there, or the Puritans here, have been most Barbarous, it will require an abler tongue then mine to determine; But thus much I will say—  Pa. 
Pray Sir, speak no more of it; I confess it to the shane of the Roman catholics there, and here, and over all the World besides: But it comforts me to remember, how suddenly they have laid down their arms; even as soon as ever the King eased them of some grievances; And to wiped away their own transgressions in Ireland, they have promised to assist the King with means and Men, to quench this Rebellion in England.  Pr. 
Since you are so desirous to have it hushed( though it be very soul, and will be hit in their Teeth hereafter) I will forbear; only let me ask you one question; If the Irish Papists having once achieved their own ends, shall neglect to perform all their Promises and Engagements hereafter, what will you then think of popery?  Pa. 
Why do you ask such an uncharitable question? It is farced with too much jealousy; can you think them men voided of such common honesty, as after the receipt of so many unparallelld Acts of Grace, from such a merciful and sweet natured King, who is as ready to give, as His Subjects can be to ask, and readier to forgive, then Rebels will be to repent, to be so graceless? If you acquit not yourself fairly, I shall think the worse of you and your Religion so long as I live.  Pr. 
I prophesy not; I pray God I be no Prophet in my conceits; and I pray God they prove this last question of mine to proceed from a misgrounded jealousy, and not a well grounded fear. For in truth I fear, yes, and believe it too, Papists are as well versed in Nulla fides cum Haereticis, as, In aliquibus casibus Reges licet dejicere; No promise to be kept with heretics, as, it is lawful in some cases to resist Kings.  Pa. 
Why, is this a Popish tenant too.  Pr. 
Yes.  Pa. 
I shall not believe it if the Irish keep touch.  Pr. 
Whether they do or no, a Popish tenant it is; and thus I prove it.  Pa. 
You shall not need; but are you heretics?  Pr. 
No, we are by our Proper name Christians, and by our Appellative, or surname, catholics: the Papists call us heretics: and if we were what they call us, yet, that tenant never came from St Peter, nor is to be maintained amongst Christians; The very Turks abhor it; and therefore I ask you again, what you will think of Popery, if the Irish Rebels do neglect the performance of their promises.  Pa. 
Why then I will think as ill of Papists, as now I think of Puritans; and promise you upon the credit of an Honest man, to turn Protestant.  Pu. 
Thankes to Heaven; thankes to you; I thank you hearty; and God sand us all an union both in opinion and affection.  Pr. 
AMEN.  
FINIS.