A FULL RELATION OR DIALOGUE Between a loyalist and a converted PHANATTICK since the time of the late Rebellion, relating their wicked conspiracy, and barbarous intentions, whereby their devilish plots is more fully discovered then ever it was before: Gently disputed between them both. Together with the fanatics Lamentation and farewell to that Crew. Published as a warning-piece to all Rebellious Sectaries. Printed for F. Coles. 1660. A Dialogue between a LOYALIST and a PHANATTICK. Enter loyalist. STand! who approacheth there so near the walls of our Government, lurking in the dark like a ravening wolf in shéeps clothing? Phanattick. Behold O man and see! for lo it is I, even thy fellow creature, and one of the faithful, Loy. Ha', ha', say you so indeed; are you one of the faithful? in good faith by and by I shall try your fidelity. Phan. Then take me and try me, for thou shalt not find me to be even as other men are! Loy. Why truly it is very likely so, and I shall take your bare word for't, wherein I took you at first to be an honest man, now I doubt I shall find you to be a knave. Phan. Why, even as thou findest me, so mayst thou leave me. Loy. No done't you believe that I will part with you so soon, until you have declared unto me the secrets of your breast. Pha. What knowest thou not O man what the word says, that a revealer of secrets is no less than a fool Loy. Gad it is to be feared that you are more knave than fool, therefore demonstrate unto me what you are! Pha. I shall answer unto thee O man, That I am one of the Tribe of Ephraim who now am come to advance the Cause of the righteous, and to seek after the rest of my brethren. Loy. I, so it seems you are a brood with a pox to ye, but we shall be as careful to look after them as you shall. Phan. Nay, but I tell thee O man, they are a people elected. Loy. I believe so, for Dan has a great suspicion of it. Pha. Of their innocency he may, for they have done nothing but what they must answer for Loy. I, answer for't) without dispute, either guilty or not guilty they must say. Phan. Verily, verily they thought no more harm, but to search out all that were not of their Sect, and smite them to the ground with the edge of the sword, which as we counted was the work of the just Loy. Why then justly they shall have their reward for't I'll warrant ye, even to a tittle of what they deserve. Phan. Why indeed as the labourer is worthy of his hire, even according to the Word so let it be. Loy. But were there not a great many hirelings amongst them, think you? Phan. Yes, there were many that came out by hands even to advance the cause of th' faithful, being a people called and led by the spirit. Loy. I, but others do imagine they were led by the Devil else humane nature would have blushed at their boldness. Phan. No no, alas they were of undaunted spirits in the fancy they took to, that they feared neither God nor Devil. Loy. Why, so the people report indeed they were of such magnanimous spirits, men far more flitter for the Gallows than a Garrison. Phan. Yea, in the City do I imagine so, but truly, truly they were so zealous in all their ways, that whatsoever idle fancy they took to, they would stand it out to the last. Loy. So it seems indeed, but now I doubt they'll be hanged fort at last, poor harmless Athists, 'tis a thousand pities that ever one of them should die in their beds. Pan. Nay, but harken unto the words of my mouth O man, and I shall speak unto thee. For as I lay in my bed my thoughts troubled me, and I heard a voice say unto me, arise and girt on thy sword, and fight the battle of the faithful, than I awaked out of my sleep and did as I was commanded, for the spirit did move me. Loy. No, the Devil did move you, that evil spirit, on purpose to raise up the throne of Antichrist, and so crown yourselves with the horn of Rebellion. Phan. Nay but O man our meaning was not so, nor our intentions, no more but to abolish all Laws, and subdue all Satutes, O what an ease would it have brought to the Lawyers. Secondly, to have cast off both King and Government, than what a liberty had we given to the Nation. Thirdly, to have pulled down all Churches, and Chapels, O then what a trouble had we quitted the Clergy of. Fourthly, to have brought all things under our power, O then what a government had the people then lived under? Loy. Yes, and I believe you would have massacred in houses too, before you would have falled in your wicked Enterprises Phan. O man, the Spirit did call us thereunto, and bid us fight valiantly, and spare not one alive contrary to our Sect, which thing must be done before we could accomplish this mighty work that the spirit hath moved us to take in hand. Loy. Why truly you may see what the Spirit hath done for you and how it hath led you, first to Newgate, then shortly to Tyburn, where he will leave you to your deserved merits. Phan. Verily, verily I shall answer unto thee again and say, That our host were numerous had they been but together, and our power innumerable, but there came others more mightier than they, and smote them back and side, and slew them, where-now they remain for the sins of their bretrens, and cannot obtain this mighty work. Loy. Yes, I believe it is too mighty for for you to accomplish. Phan. Hear thou me and I will answer thee again, we were a people of the faithful, and did not intent to do it with the hands of men. Loy. What did ye intent to do it with the hands of Devils? Phan. Not we did intent to do it by prayer, and though our hearts did pray, yet our hands should fight, and though we flew as many in number as the sand on the Sea shore, yet would we leave a Remnant alive to wonder at the deeds we should do. Loy. No marvel indeed to wonder at the deeds you should do, when so many thousand do wonder at the deeds you have done already, but you know what the Word says, The tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, wall be cut down and cast into the fire. Phan. Nay fellow creature I must tell thee. Loy. Nay don't term me thy fellow creature, for I am none of thy fellows. Phan. Why then I shall thee O man the prudency of our Counsels are turned into foolishness and the hand of the City has been upon us. Loy. Have a care the hands of the hung doth not fall on you. P. Why, shall the faithful dye for the sins of the people? Loy. No, but they shall die for their devilish Rebellion. Phan. Nay then I will sit down and complain of my misery, that my brethren doth suffer, and none regardeth them. Loy. No not many thou mayst be sure. Phan. Alas alas our brethren were saintly divine creatures, and as innocent as the beast of the field, they loved all flesh alike. They hated not each others wives, but loved them as they loved their own. They lided so charitable one with another, that rather than they would part they would go to Newgate together. They would wrong no man sacretly, but in the streets kill them openly. They were the judicious persons in the world, (putting treason and baseness aside. There was few men of more constancy than they were, but 'twas among themselves. They were the learnedst Scholars that ever was, For they would coin such new sense for Scripture words, that never was heard nor known before. They were likewise the valiantest Soldiers that ever was, confessing they were always led by a spirit. They were also accounted for the boldest men that ever I knew, for they could look through the grandest piece of impudence, without being a whit ashamed: they were the greatest lovers of Churches that ever was, for they would willingly have pulled them down to have paved their yards with the stones thereof. Nay, they knew that amongst all these virtues if they were taken they should be hanged. Loy. Why truly it is the general report of the City, especially for these three v v v, Vice, Villainy, and Vaniy, and for three b b b, Bloody, Base, and Busy, and for three t t t, Troubles, Treason, and Treachery, whereby you may search Bedlam, Bridewell and Newgate, and hardly find any to exceed them. Phan. Verily I answer and say unto thee that these are the latter days my brethren do live in. Loy. Why truly Dun has a great suspicion of it, that 'tis their latter days they live in now. P. Why, so I mean, but will ye believe me? Loy. 'Tis a question whether I shall or no for times are dangerous. Phan. Why indeed it is a tottering age we live in, for the word says we are here to day and gone to morrow. Loy. Your brethren at Newgate cannot say so except it be the day before their Execution. Phan. Why verily I answer thee according to the word, we live in a very uncertain time, for a man does not know the day he shall die on. Loy. Yes in good saith, when your brethren are going up Holbuern they have a shrewd guess what day they are to die on. Phan. Alas, they were innocent and harmless creatures, they never do no hurt but what they do willingly. Loy. Why, so the report is, but Monday and Wednesday they could do but little or nothing. Phan. Alas they could do no more than what they were able, though they endeavoured as much as any men alive. Loy. Yes I believe they did, but they should have marched in order, and have chose some honest religious men to command ye. Phan. Indeed there was thee honest men to have come which was Hewson, Okey and Ludlow, but had they come and been taken, you would surely have hanged them. Loy. Yes truly and not only them, for they have got such a use of hanging, that that they do not care to hang the greatest Traitor in England. Phan. I but our people did not intent to be hanged when they came out. Loy. Very likely so indeed! but how did you come to join with the Righteous to advance the cause of the faithful? Phan. Why truly I shall tell thee O man, from the uprightness of my heart, how according to my belief the spirit did move me. Loy. Yes I warrant thee the spirit did move thee, more likely the Devil did move thee, therefore declare to me the very truth. Phan. Why then behold O man, on Wednesday morning jan. 9 as I lay in my bed I was troubled, and I heard a voice say, come away, for the day of the faithful appeareth: then I arose and took my woollen vestment also with me: and the woman that was given to be with me, said, O man whether departest thou? I said to her, I go to seek the faithful: she answered me again, go and prosper. No sooner was I come out at the North door, but I espied, and beheld afar off a band of men, and I drew near unto them, and they drew near unto me, and said unto me who art thou, I answered and said, I am one of the faithful. Then they answered and said draw near, and be it unto thee even as thou hast said. Then we communed and walked together, and sought counsel by prayer; and being come into Cheapside we met with our Enemies, who assaulted us and smote us, both back and side, and cast us into bonds, so this was the overthrow of the righteous, and if there is aught done against thee, 'tis I a servant of the Lord, testify thou against me. Loy. I testify against thee, that thou and the rest of thy brethren did seek to maintain Kingly Government, to keep up the Clergy, and to continue the Laws both for the preservation of Prince and peasant. Phan. I tell thee O man that thy testimony is not according to truth, for we never intended any of these things, but as we were led by the spirit, our intention was to pull down all Government, to subvert the Laws, destroy the Clergy, to set up Bell and Dragon, and live under the means and sweat of other men's labours. Loy. Nay but you did intent to raise another great Tax, and to repair and beautify the Church of Saint Paul's, and to rectify the Altar. Phan. Nay but O man I shall answer again, and say thou art in an Error, for the spirit did move us to pull it down, and to remove the Altars from their places. Loy. And again you did intent to erect more new Colleges in both Universities, and make the Nation mad with learning. Phan. I tell thee again O man as I am bound to answer to my charge that it is false also: for we were to confound learning, and destroy they universities with the three Original tongues, Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, because our opinion should never be confuted: Loy. Nay but you would have made such an Order in the City, as to have Elected two Lord Mayors, four Sheriffs, and twice as many Aldermen. Phan, I answer thee again O man, 'tis very false, for we did never intent any such thing, for our intention was to have had no Lord Mayor, Sheriff, nor Alderman, but every one to be Governor, and Teacher of his own house. Loy. And again it is plainly made apparent that you did intent for to erect more Printing houses, because all the Presses in town could not Print off so fast as your Authors did write. Phan. Verily I say unto thee, That a flight of snow on May day is more welcomer to us then either Printing or learning, nay we did so much disaffect it, that we intended to have taught each other without Bell, Book, or Candle, and so to have been as innocent as the beast in the field, that knows neither good nor evil. Loy. Nay, it's further laid to your charge that you had such inclination to Languages that you kept Translators in your houses. Phan. I shall answer unto thee O man, that we were not inclined to Languages, but was content with the same we was born withal, and for Translators we never had any but our Shoo-repairers. Loy. But did ye not intent to teach when you came into Cheapside to the Standard. Phan. No no, we did intent to meet and assemble ourselves together, and put our host in order for the mighty work we were called to. Loy. Yes a mighty work you had to do before we met with you, at Woodstreet, Colledg-hill, and Cornwall. Pha. O man our enemies met with us too soon which makes me add the lamentation of a bad market, for the hands of the City have been upon us. His lamentation and farewell to all Sects. What now I say, that must I needs, The hands of the City have been on our heads that spirit which within our hearts did lurk And put us now upon this mighty work, Hath even so betrayed us into thrall, And brought our teachers into bondage all: That very curse which was on cursed Cain Is now befell amongst my brethren, Our self-opinion teachers now is clad, with the very plague the Pharaohs Egyptians had Being unbelievers through Hipocricy, We're drowned all within the Ocean Sea, Just even so we made Religion new, And justified it like as if we knew, the hearts of Angels in their contemplation Although 'twas nothing but dissimulation, Led by a spirit which did us undo And now hath ruined our Religion too, Then farewell Sects, & farewell Sectaries, Farewell to Schism and to Hypocrisses, Farewell to méeting-houses, and adive To teaching-houses farewell unto you, Farewell to Bishopsgate we use to meet, Farewell to preaching in the open street, For now the Bull and mouth at Aldersgate, Within this fortnight is to be let What, have the tenants lately Newgate took That now the Bull & mouth they have forsaken, A place most fit, the time was then, Bedlam, and Bridewell did complain of them. 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