A COPY OF A Remonstrance LATELY DELIVERED IN TO THE ASSEMBLY.  
BY 

Thomas Goodwin.  
jerem: Burroughs.  
William Greenhill.  
William Bridge.  
Philip Nie.  
Sidrach Simson.  
and William Carter.    
Declaring the Grounds and Reasons of their declining to bring into the Assembly, their Model of Church-Government.  
Novemb: 12th LONDON: Printed in the Year, 1645.   

To the READER.  
THe Copy of this ensuing Remonstrance (for so I title it, as deeming it no other) lately delivered in to the Assembly by the Dissenting Brethren, falling under my view (by a divine providence) I endeavoured a transcript thereof, aiming at no other end but the reserving it by me for my private and particular satisfaction. Since which time upon occasional converses with divers of the Presbyterian party, I have been an often earwitness of many untrue and unjust aspersions which reflected upon the Reverend Authors, as if the Independants (so they are pleased to call them) could not, or durst not (according to the demand of the Assembly) produce a Model and bring in thither, such a Frame of Church-government with the Reasons and grounds thereof as they contend for; or rather, that they had in their conceptions some Chimaera, or some Utopian Frame, which in the issue would prove either abortive or ridiculous; and that therefore being privy to the weakness of their own principles, they have resulted only, in stead of a perfect Body, an airy, and (to use some of their own words) a railing accusation against the Reverend Assembly, intending nothing less than the product of a Completed Frame, and nothing more than the cheating of the people, whom they know do expect such an accomplished platform. These and the like undu● bespattering, dashed from the mouths of some whom I dare not but call Brethren, and that upon those who for their personal endowments they themselves acknowledge to be both pious and learned; and frequently hinted into the minds and thoughts of the godly and well-affected of either part (who at present by reason thereof are at a loss both in their judgements and expectations) coming within my hearing and observation; I found (weighing the rational considerations exhibited in this Remonstrance for their refusal to deliver in to the Assembly their Model of Church-government, as was imposed on them) an irresistible dictate from my conscience, to convert the Manuscript into a printed Copy Wherein the ingenious Reader may clearly perceive, and truly judge what was the direct Remora that deterred them (contrary to their primary resolves) from doing that which was required by the Assembly, and what likewise are their real intentions for the future namely, to let the Churches have the benefit of what they have prepared to that purpose, which I am confident in as convenient a time as is sueable to such a work, they will perfect and exhibit to open view. As for the godly and learned Authors themselves, I humbly crave their pardon that I have presumed without their knowledge to present this their Copy to the world, professing that no sinister ends at all biased me: 'Twas only the satisfying of my own Conscience, and my earnest desires that the truth and candour of their cause, and their proceed therein, may (notwithstanding the besmearing that others endeavour to cast on both) be rightly resented by the godly and judicious, that hath swayed my resolutions: which ends if I attain, I have enough.   



December 12. 1644. We gave in Reasons of our dissenting, to this Assembly, against the subordination of Synods, and they were committed to be answered and brought in.  
April 4. 1645. An Order was made by this Assembly, that the Brethren of this Assembly, who have formerly entered their dissents to the Presbyterial Government, shall be a Committee to bring in the whole Frame of their Judgements, concerning Church Government, in a body with their grounds and Reasons.    
It was also by this Assembly, lately imposed on us, to make report of what we had done in the Commits.  
HOw willing and ready we have been from the beginning of the Discussions in this Reverend Assembly, to make known what ever we hold, concerning Church government, as we have had public testimony in this Assembly, so we have manifold instances and evidences of it; Witness that constant, free, and open expressing ourselves upon all occasions, and in all questions propounded to the debate, with offers to give an open Account at any time, in what ever should be asked us by any Brother. Our profferring divers times to bring in Propositions, stated to our sense for the dispute, and when we were made a Committee to that purpose, in the point of Ordination, and did bring our Judgements concerning it for a dispute, It was laid aside. And at another time, when we ourselves brought in papers, giving the state of the question, about that extraordinary way of Ordination, which were read, and returned back unto us, it being publicly professed that that was not an allowed way and course of this Assembly, for any of the Brethren to bring in papers, unless they were made a Committee by the Assembly itself. And so we were prevented of doing the like for time to come.  
Likewise our frequent complain of the stating of questions, so that we could not fully argue for our Judgements, we being bound up to the questions as stated by you. The usual answer to our Complaints heerin being, That the Assembly sat not to argue the opinions of a few men, but that if we had any thing to say to the assertion brought in, we might.  
As also our earnest contending to have some questions (which you all know are the greatest and most fundamental points) fairly disputed and debated, is a sufficient testimony of this our willingness. As in the entrance into the dispute of Government, the first day, we pressed the handling of this, That there is a platform of Government for the Churches, under the Gospel, laid down in the Scripture, and desired to have discussed, what are the sure and certain ways, whereby we may judge what of Government, is held forth Jure divino therein, which should have been fundamental to all the disputes that were to follow: and this was professedly laid aside by you, which therefore in none of the subsequent debates, we could renew, and thus Arguments were cut off, It being that great and necessary Medium, by which the particulars should be confirmed, and in a manner, the whole controversy decided; the greatest difference that were likely to grow betwixt us, being this, That the forms of Governmert, you pretend to, and we deny, are asserted to be Jure divino.  
In like manner that other next great question, about the entire power in Congregations, that have a sufficient Presbytery for all Censures, which as it is in order the first that presents itself for discussion (as was urged) so also it is one of the greatest points in difference betwixt us and you: Yet the debate of this was not only denied the first place in the dispute, but was to this day declined by you; Although to have it argued was contended for by us, and not by us only, but by many of those, that are for a subordinate government thereof to Synods. And though earnest desires and motions for it were renewed and inculcated, yet were they as often laid aside. Yea and this, although it was once expressly commended by the grand Committee of the Honourable Members of both Houses, joined with twelve Divines of the Assembly, to be next disputed, as the best means, both of expedition, and of ending the Controversy.  
And over and above all this, to argue this our willingness to dispute our way, In the aforesaid Honourable Committee appointed by an Order of the Honourable House of Commons, to find out ways, of accommodating different Judgements in the Assembly, the Sub-Committee of Divines, consisting of two of us, and four others, appointed by that Honourable Committee to prepare ways and Propositions of Accommodation, brought in the main and most of what practically we desired, and we therein added, That if such a liberty shall seem in the wisdom of this Honourable Committee, to be so prejudicial to the peace of the Church as not to be permitted, we humbly desire, the doctrinal principles wherein we differ about Church-Government, may be taken into serious consideration, and some other way of accommodation in practice thought upon, as shall seem sit to this Honourable Committee: and this was presented to that Honourable Committee and those twelve of the Assembly, to be transmitted, whether to the Honourable Houses, or the Assembly as they should think meet.  
After this, when upon occasion of something brought in by one Brother, and entertained, we took hold of that example, and one of us, with consent of the rest, brought in seven Propositions, which contained matter of difference betwixt us, professing, That if this Reverend Assembly would debate them, or any one of them, we would bring in more, until we had brought in all the Frame, and the Assembly themselves should pick and choose what they would debate, and what not. But these Propositions were rejected with a refusal to debate any one of them.  
And after all this, though the main parts of the Presbyterial government, had been then voted by the Assembly, and sent up to the Honourable Houses (as, namely, that about Ordination, and the Presbyterial government over many Congregations, as also concerning the Subordination of Nationall, Provincial and Classical Assemblies) and there was not much remaining about Church-government, to be concluded in this Assembly: yet this Reverend Assembly requiring, (by occasion of a book published, that reflected on these proceed, that we had no hand in, nor knowledge of) a whole Frame of Government, with the grounds and reasons thereof, to be brought in by us, and voted us heerto to be a Committee, we yielded ourselves to be a Committee, to bring in part by part, in like manner as the Presbyterial Government was brought into the Assembly, and disputed: but that was not accepted. And then it being said, that there was something in Church-government, remaining undiscussed, and unresolved; and it being further alleged that the Assembly add not sent up all that which they had concluded, but meant to present an entire Frame and Body to the Honourable Houses: And that we might take away all occasions of any such jealousies that we were unwilling to discover what we held (which were commonly in men's mouths abroad) we yielded to be a Committee, to bring in the whole to this Assembly, though upon all the  disadvantages, and were purposed and resolved amongst ourselves so to do, and that in as convenient a time as a work of such a compass could, (in such a manner as was proposed by you) be dispatched by us. And as in the debate about making us a Committee, the Assembly would not declare (though pressed by us) what they would do with that Model, and those Reasons we should bring in; so the voting of what yet remained in Church-government, was hastened by you.  
And when not long after, upon occasion of the debate of one particular point, in which we differed from this Assembly, we moved it might be deferred, because we should present our Judgements and Reasons about it, with the rest, (for therein lay that which we accounted the favour of being made a Committee by you) it was publicly answered, that therefore the Assembly should the rather go on to the concluding of it, because we intended to bring it in; and before we could dispatch that Body we intended, so as to report it unto you according to your order; (the collection of the materials whereof, spent us two or three months, and we could not obtain the liberty to bring in any thing but the whole) this Assembly had presented to the Honourable Houses, as well what had been sent up by pieces afore, as what was since concluded, in one entire Frame. By all which we perceived, that that which was the main end and use of presenting such a Model to this Assembly, would be frustrated.  
And furthermore, we having given in (as this Assembly knows) but two heads of dissenting reasons: The one against the Presbyterial government over many Congregations: The other against the subordination of Synods. By the success of the latter we see, that this Assembly can assume the liberty (if it so please) to reserve those we shall now present, unanswered, as they have done those our dissenting Reasons against subordination of Synods, although it contain a great and main part of that wherein we differ, as also is of all other, of the greatest moment, both to this Church and State, and hath been given in to this Assembly ten months since, and their votes concerning thes-Subordinations, as long since presented to the Honourable Houses, but have not been answered by any reply brought in to this Assembly, and so not ready to have been sent up to the Honourable Houses.  
And if These we might now bring in, should be undertaken to be answered by this Assembly, yet we still retain the sense of so much remediless prejudice, by being bound from replying again, as doth make us justly wary: we may for ever lie under whatever misinterpretations may happen, (suppose but through mistake of yours, or imperfection of our expression) without clearing our meaning, and we may be bound up from further urging or driving home that wherein the strength of any Argument lies, if the dint thereof should be a voided by some specious diversion. And although our former Reasons given in after dispute to both the Honourable Houses, according to their Order, were therefore not our own, but to be disposed of according to their appointment; yet what we should now give in, we conceive to be in our own power.  
Upon these considerations we think that this Assembly hath no cause now to require a Report of us, nor will that our Report be of any use, seeing that Reports are for Debates, and Debates are for Results to be sent up to the Honourable Houses, who have already voted another form of Government then what we shall present. However it may be of more use some other way, which by this course may be prevented, And therefore we are resolved to wait for some further opportunity, to improve what we have prepared.  
FINIS.