Some OBSERVATIONS Upon a Sermon bearing the name of Mr. Astley's; Preached in opposition to a Testimony, and Sign unto them, of their Spiritual nakedness; Wherein he is found to Wrist and pervert the Scriptures: to be Ignorant of the truth, as it is in Jesus; and consequently no Minister of Christ, etc. By a lover of the truth, John Hogg. 30. Isa: 1, 2. Woe to the Rebellious children saith the Lord, who take council but not of me, and cover with a covering, but not of my Spirit. But the way of the just, is as a shineing light, which shineth more and more, unto the perfect day. Pro. 4.18. Printed in the Year. 1675. FRiends and Readers, of the following discourse, esteem me not your Enemy: For behold I have no other end, then love to your Immortal souls; The Advancement of God's Truth, the vindication of those walking in it; and the Answering of a good Conscience towards the Lord. I plead not for all that make a Profession of it, knowing, that there may be a show of Godliness without the Power. Therefore be neither hasty nor high minded, Pride goes before a Fall, and Anger resteth in the bosom of Fools. I observe that we are reflected upon, to be as Seducers; using Lying Signs and Wonders by some who think they stand clear thereof, 2 Thes : 2 but let such take heed lest they fall. For seeing it is said in the place quoted against us, that the day of Christ could not come, except there was first a falling away. Therefore I advise such as a Friend, to consider their present standing, and see if it be not in a fall'n away state, from what the Ancients stood in, If so (as I question not but they will confess upon examination, 1 Cor. 6.19. & 3.16, 17. if they lay Judgement to the Line, and Righteousness to the Plummit) then consider, if the man of Sin which is to be revealed, sit not in the Temple of God, in you. So be serious and see if it be not thus with you. First because it is called the Mystery of Iniquity. Secondly because he sits not as a man of sin, or as Satan. (Obs:) but as God, in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Again consider after what manner he is to be destroyed, it is by the Spirit of the Lords mouth, and by the Brightness of his Coming. Therefore mind you miss not of his coming, by expecting him according to your Imaginations, like the Jews who would not accept of him, because he came not according to their wills and Expectations. We are also Reflected upon, to be as the False Christ's spoken of, Mat. 24. in that respect I have a certain Testimony to bear for the Truth, which I would have you seriously to consider, a Time was, in which I stood as it were in the mi●●lest, beholding all Professions, hearing and observing, how every particular Persuasion called: Saying, come Worship with us, Lo here is Christ in our Form, he is to be found in this or that Observation. And whilst I thus considered their Plurality of Voices, it Amazed me, because they did all appear to stand in one Ground, all Professing but one God, and g●…nerally with a like Zeal, notwithstanding their variety of Calls, and Voices, So being uncertain with whom to join. I took up this resolution to love all but join with no particular, Lest I should thereby disrespect the rest, now as I was in this Bewildred State; the Lord God of Heaven and Earth, ●h●…el me by the Light of his Eternal Spirit shining in me, plainly to whom I should join to walk with them in Spirit in the Light of the Lord, And therefore I cannot but speak well of his Name, and by shis Light I plainly saw God was a Spirit, and was not to be found in any of their dead Forms, nor to come to by any of their Observations without, but to be Worshipped in Spirit (Obs:) and in Truth. Therefore mind the Voice of Truth (and see how contrary it is to all the Voices of Loe-heres and the Loe-theirs) which says go not forth, Ro. 1.10 Mal. 3.1 Heb. 2.20. what is to be known of God, is manifest in you, turn Inward and wait for the Appearance of the Lord in his Temple, there must you obtain certainty, for his Coming is as the Lightning which shineth from the E●st unto the West, this Testimony is true whether you will believe it yea or nay. Lastly, I would not have you to think that because I have observed somany Errors and contradictions (where●he is one of the Leadersy it appears, which causeth the People to err, which yourselves may easily perceive by ingeniously reading my following observations made upon his Sermon) that I have prejudice to him or to any of you, For verily God having shed abroad his love in my heart hath taught me to love my Enemies, etc. But rather make this Ingenious construction of it, which may answer my end in respect of you, that is, if I cannot persuade you to receive the Truth through the love of it, than I may (by making Error and Deceit manifest as before expressed) oblige you to a serious consideration of your present standing, that so at least you may come to see if the Blind lead the Blind they must both fall into the Ditch, thus I am clear of you, Giving you this Caution, to be sure not to call true speaking Railing, or reviling, but if you do, So that thereby be raised up in you against me, Cain, Ishmael or Esau's Spirit, I shall not regard knowing my peace in the Lord who is the Portion of the Righteous, etc. The 25th. 9 Month. 1673. Thus I am Your Friend, John Hogg. Some Observations on Richard Astleys' Sermon, etc. FIrst, passing by much of his discourse, in the beginning, not because it cannot be found fault with; but because it is frivillous, and not pertinent to our purpose. So where he gins, to reflect upon Daniel Smith: as a Lying Sign unto them, I shall observe the strength of those Reasons given by him to prove it. First, He says, there is but three pretences, that he can Imagine: any make for such a naked carriage: in the sight of others. I shall show you, says he, the vanity of them all, etc. Obs. It is very easy for a man, to State his own Imaginations, and then show the vanity of them. His first Imagination; after the Fall (says he,) they apprehend that Man by Jesus Christ: was Restored to the same condition; from which he fell by sin, (meaning an outward State) But he is mistaken, for we intent no more his meaning; then those words Import an outward covering. (Woe unto them that take Council and not of me; and cover with a covering, and not of my Spirit, saith the Lord, Isa: 30.) because a covering, must it needs be Outward? Is there no other? but if all be outward, spoken of in the Beginning. Tell me what day Parradise was made on? it is said in six days God finished all his works. And tell me also what part that wa● to cover; The Woman which thou gavest me, gave me and did eat. His first Argument, to show the vanity of his Assertion (which he calls ours) but indeed is really his own Imagination: therefore must end according to his own conclusion) is, If any man be Restored, (by Jesus Christ, which he must intent: if he argue upon those words, he calls ours) then Adam was recovered, etc. Obs: By this his ignorance, is manifested, in not seeing the difference, between the Promise, and him that was promised. Was the Man Christ Jesus in Adam's day? What no difference betwixt, he shall bruise the Serpent's Head; And I have Finished the work thou gavest me to do? etc. He further says, the main case, to be inquired into, is whether Adam being restored, did walk naked again, etc. But he has miss the mark, for the main case of Inquiry, (in this place should have been by him: if he would have had his Nakedness hid, for which his discourse was intended) had truly been to have known the true difference, betwixt the Man, drove out from God: (covered with skins) having but the promise of the Seed; Heb. 10.20. and the man that put on Christ which is that Seed that brings to God again, by the New and Living way. My Assertion is thus proved. (1. Obs: The case he Argues upon, is really an Imagination; therefore there can be no worth in the Argument. Secondly, If he had truly known the difference as aforesaid; he might have passed at this time, not so much discovered. And lastly, that I am not mistaken in him, he proves it himself by these words in the conclusion of his Argument. So man recovered from his fallen Estate, is by the Lord clothed without any difference shown as aforesaid? His Second Argument in short runs thus: If man be restored to Innocency, and so to comely Nakedness: he is recovered to that capacity of Body to bear it, etc. But his conclusion is, that no man is thus restored: therefore by his Argument, no Man is Innocent; (Obs:) Then he himself and those that take part with him, must needs be Nocent; if so not born again; Mat. 18 3. no new creature; not in Christ, not so converted to become as little Children; so cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; Then alas where are you with Old Adam, drove out from God and that which yet seems worse, by the consequent, wants the Covering with Skins, by which Nakedness appears: notwithstanding the Fig-lease Garment: and Daniel Smith yet remains, so fare as I see, a true sign unto you; thus R. A. by concerning himself with a matter so little pertinent to his purpose, doth the vanity of his undertaking appear, more than if he had been silent, etc. However let the Reader take notice that I do not make man's restoration to his first Innocency a prof for a common going naked for that is not our practice, but oppose R. A.'s Imaginations against a peculiar Sign of nakedness shown among them as also against his denial of such a restoration into Innocency. His Second Imagination considered; wherein he laboureth as for very vanity; Fight with his own shadow; for he acknowledgeth its his third Imagination, which his Antagonist stands upon he says why others should pretend Imitation, etc. what others he intends would be a question worth the ask: were not his Assertion; his own Imagination, he proceeds, and bids look, what the Lord Commanded the Prophet Isaiah, Chap. 20. from 2. verse. Secondly, he says, the Prophet did just, what the Lord commanded him; the Lord commanded him, to loosethe Sackcloth, from off his Loins; and put a Shoe from off his foot; (Obs:) he puts (ae) instead of (thy,) and yet bids look, as though his deceit could not be perceived; Again he says, the Lord did not say, take away the Sackcloth from thy Loins, but lose the Sackcloth from thy Loins, may be not be ashamed of deceit? to pervert the Scripture in Reading, leaving (off) out, which is in the Scripture, in contradiction to his former reading; all this wresting of Scripture is, to make them speak Isaiah was but part naked; But we read in the Scripture, Lose the Sackclotbh, from off thy Loins; and put thy Shoe from off thy foot: and he did so, Walking naked and barefoot; Again the Lord said, as a second witness, as my servant Isaiah, bath walked Naked and barefoot. Obs: not part naked, and bare of one foot; as he suggesteth: Surely for advantage, he would tell notable Stories: while he hath done all this for nothing; for if his end were granted, it would add nothing to his cause in hand; seeing Imitation, is not that which they stand upon, with whom he hath to do. As he himself acknowledgeth; however he makes himself manifest by presuming contrary to what is written, not to be an observer of the Scriptures: which he sets up so high in words, but in Works denies it; by making himself as Judge not of what they do mean, but of that they never can intent, so wrists and perverts them; as he that preaches a man should not steal, but found doing the same things: so inexcusable. etc. But further to prove, Rom. 2. his false position; he brings many witnesses; which as he brings them, stand like suborned witnesses: but if they add nothing, to his cause by confessing, truth, upon examination, than the evil will lie at his door, that would force them; The first is Peter, who confesseth nothing of Esai in the case; but that's not all, he says Peter took his upper garment, and girt it about him, Importing (saith he) that there was under it a Garment; thus he wrists the Scripture, for the words are, he girded his Fisher's coat (his coat to) or unto him: Joh. 21.7 which cannot admit of his consequence, as for James and Paul, they speak nothing of Isa. in the case, the next witnese that he brings, is one like himself: Michal notwithstanding she can witness nothing for him, 2 Sam. 6.16. & 20.21. in the case he brings her for: but observe as Michael despised David in her heart, being uncovered in the Service of the Lord, and by him was justified. So you despised Daniel Smith, when he was uncovered, and as he told you, in the Service of the Lord, and by the Lord is justified for any thing you have said; who can see no further than Michal did, to that which is outward. Thus he hath brought a very fitting Subject which he and his followers may do well seriously to consider, further he says Isa. was not commanded to put off any thing but his Sackcloth which is contrary to the Scriptures and in contradiction to himself, who before granted he was to put off a Shoe etc. Now there is two things (says he) which may convince, that Isa. did not pass wholly naked: First (says he) thereiss mention made of his being barefooted; so he Argues if by nakedness were meant altogether naked than his feet would have been Naked, as well as the rest; (Obs:) In his first reasoning, to prove that Isa. was not all naked, he says it is not said, put off both thy Shoes, but put off a Shoe, which is in contradiction, to his foregoing reason, that he said might convince; His second reason to convince, that Isa. was not all Naked, because no necessity, for it by the sign he was to be, Egypt says he &c. was to be led away with their Buttocks uncovered, Infersing, that this was all that Isaiah was to be a Sign of, contrary to the Scriptures, which saith like as my Servant Isa. hath walked naked and barefoot: etc. Obs: So shall the Egyptians be led away naked and bare foot; and to express the shame more fully, even with their Buttocks bare to the shame of Egypt, etc. Thus he hath truly shown the vanity of his own Imaginations, according to his promise, by wresting and perverting the Scripture: and in contradicting himself, as First, Isa: was but to put off a Shoe. Secondly, to put off nothing but his Sackcloth; And lastly makes use of the being barefooted: all this his confused work has been to prove Isa: was but part naked contrary to the Scriptures, etc. 3. His third Imagination considered, (which because it carries most show of verity with it) being the case to which we both agree; though as he hath stated it verbatim, we should not, yet for brevityes sake, and avoiding wrangling, with a Charitable allowance: Shall be willing to join Issue with him, that the Nakedness may be truly found; they (faith he) pretend to A Divine call, unto which (they say) they are to be Obedient: (in short thus) if this fall to the ground, (saith he) their nakedness will appear naked indeed, (Obs:) we grant it, and therefore if it be found to the contrary, R. A. must appear according to his conblusion of us, etc. His first Argument stated, to prove no need of Inspiration etc. is, If the Scriptures be able to make the man of God perfect, and throughly furnished, to every good work and word, than (says he) no need of extraordinary calls, etc. And that the Scriptures are truth, and able to make a man perfect; this can scarcely be denied, 2 Tim. 3.16, 17. this is the substance of his Assertion, Mostly false-yet some of it true, in some sense, so is not to be answered fully, as it's stated altogether etc. (Obs:) First I shall grant, that the Scriptures are able to make the man of God wise unto salvation, through faith in Christ Jesus: (as they were Timothy, 2 Tim. 3.15.) but I affirm that that man, which is made wise unto salvation by the Scriptures, must have the same faith that Timothy and all the Men of God had, Col. 1.27 Gal. 1.16. John 16.13. Rom. 8.14, 15, 16. and such know that Christ is in them, read 2 Cor. 13.5. And this knowledge I may boldly say R. A. has not, because he affirms, nothing greater than the Scriptures to be the guide of Man; So denies the Spirit of God to guide or lead him, and none are his Sons of God, but those who are led by his Spirit; Again, I grant according to the Scriptures, that they being given by Inspiration, are profitable for reproof, etc. 2 Tim. 3.16. that the man of God (mind) may be throughly furnished. They do not say that of themselves they are able to furnish him; much less to make another man perfect, to every good work, as his words would Insinuate; For one proof of this, himself shall be the Example, whose work by this discourse, is proved imperfect; So his Assertion that the Scriptures, (leaving out faith in Jesus Christ) are able to make a man perfect is false, etc. Further (Obs:) the Scriptures, does not speak of furnishing any, but the Man of God; but only furnish him: Then the query is, how they are profitable to such a man, for if a Man of God, then hath been born of God, so hath ceased to commit sin, having overcome the Evil one, John 3.9 by the Seed of God which remaineth in him; he is in Christ Jesus, therefore no condemnation to him; because he walks after the Spirit; Rom. 8.1.2, 3, 4. for by walking after the Spirit, is the righteousness of the Law, fulfilled in him; So comes to the end of the Scriptures, reproving and correcting him; Ro. 10.4. Ro. 6.14. Tit. 2.11. thus the man of God is come to the end of the Law, for Righteousness sake; So is not under the Law, but under Grace, Yea that grace, which hath appeared to all men, by which he hath so learned, that it need not to be said unto him know the Lord; John 2. 27-29. nor need he any man to reach him: but as that anointing teacheth him; (Obs:) the Law was added because of Transgression, until the Seed came, to whom the promise was made, Gal. 3. 19-24. so was the Schoolmaster to bring to Christ; Again (Obs:) all gifts given to Men by Christ, for the work of the Ministry, is to bring to him: Ephe. 4. 11-14. where they all end in him, Gal. 3.25. Heb. 5.6. Isa. 9.5, 6. to them which is come to the true Faith; for such are come to him, whom they know the Priest for ever; whose lips preserve knowledge, and to be their Leader, with the Government upon his shoulder, whom they know is comed, the Wonderful Counsellor: according to the promise of the Father, thus the man of God is Taught (not of the Scriptures only but) of God. But now to show how the Scriptures, do furnish the man of God: (First, they are generally received as true: Secondly, in that respect, they are as a Law unto the lawless.) Further, it is the man of God only, that can speak them in due season, by the guidance of God's Spirit; which brings them to his remembrance, and opens them from which at first they were given forth; thus the man of God, furnished by them now, to Reprove, Corect or Instruct; the Apostatised Christians: that are setting up the Form of godliness, by Imitation of the Scriptures; being both Ignorant of the life and power, which the Ancient Christians had, and lived in, denying the Spirit to be the Absolute guide into all truth, preferring the Scriptures before it, like the Jews, who preferred them before Christ; thus is your state parralel to the Jews: which would not believe; though the Scriptures testified of him, therefore in that State, could see him to be no more but the Carpenter's Son: whilst others that believed in him, saw him to be the Son of God.) that though now the Scriptures testify, Joh. 1— 10. That that is the true Light, which lighteneth every man coming into the World: yet you not believing in it, can see it but to be, as a natural thing, whilst others which believes in it, Sees it to be the Light, of the Son of God. Thus what can be done, if you will neither believe in it, for its works sake; nor yet the testimony of your Brethren, who in that case may be your Judges. But again to return to the matter, we find that the Prophets, Christ, and his Apostles, did thus make use of the Scriptures, to correct, reprove, and instruct the backsliden, and unbelieving Jews; not but that he was perfect without them, and his words as sure as they; (and so his Spirit, speaking through all his servants,) but because the Scriptures was of credit and received by them, which he and his servants was not. Therefore he says to the Jews; Search the Scriptures, (Obs:) for in them ye think to have Eternal life; and they are they that testify of me, (By which its manifest, the Scriptures may be esteemed, and searched to the best of man's understanding, and yet they miss of the Truth, for saith he,) Ye will not come unto me, that ye may have Life, John 5.39- Further to show, that the Scriptures of themselves without the Spirit cannot furnish to every good work; Joh. 21.25. Joh. 16.13. for Christ saith to his Disciples, (who had the Scriptures, and also more ' of his words, than was supposed could be written,) I have many things to say unto you, which you cannot bear yet; Howbeit when the Spirit of truth is come, it shall lead you into all truth; by which it is manifest, that Christ prefers this his Spiritual Dispensation, above all outward Dispensations, and teachings whatsoever: to complete, perfect, and furnish them, Joh. 14.26. for saith he, it doth not only lead into all Truth, but it shall bring all things to your remembrance: etc. And not only so, but fully to complete them which are guided by it, (Obs:) He shall not speak of himself: but what he heareth, that shall he speak, he shall take of mine, and show it unto you; etc. Joh. 14.17. The Spirit was to be looked for in them, for saith he, he that dwelleth with you shall be in you, much might be added more, upon this Subject, but this is sufficient to those who have an Ear to hear what the Spirit saith. But, Lest any should think, those things only related to the Apostles (mind) Christ said, I pray not for these alone, but for them also, Joh. 17. 20-24. which shall believe in me, through their word, that they may be one, as thou Father art in me, and I in thee: that they also may be one in us; that the World may believe, that thou hast sent me; Thus R. A.s Assertion is denied, and the Spirit of Truth, Asserted and proved to be, the only guide into all truth. Suppose his Argument was granted; see then what would be the consequence; for it was said to those that had Scripture, notwithstanding they had Scripture, for lack of vision the People perish; Secondly for lack of Knowledge, my People Perish, and knowledge or understanding, Pro. 29.18. Hos: 4.6. Joh. 32.8 Luk. 10.22. 2 Thesi 1. comes by the Inspiration of the Almighty. Thirdly, none knows the Father, but the Son, and he to whom the Son reveals him. Lastly, it is written God will render vengeance, upon them that know him not, etc. By these things it is manifest, there is a necessity, to know something above and beyond the the Scriptures, namely that Spiwhence they came; for they cannot give the knowledge of God: because they are not Christ. etc. Again, he says there's enough in the Scriptures, God doth not use to bring his people, any thing that is useless: by which I conclude, he sees not the true use of the Scriptures: that can find no proportion between two extremes: what either all or nothing thats his ignorance? Secondly, he saith there is no such Spirit, to be expected, nor no such way to be looked, beyond and above the Scripture, Io. 8.9. etc. From this I conclude he belongs not to Christ, because he denies his Spirit, for if he had his Spirit, for if he had his Spirit, he could not but conclude it a more perfect guide then the Scriptures; I must from hence also conclude he is no Minister of Christ, 2 Cor. 3.6 for the true Ministers of the New Testament, which is written in the heart, are Ministers of the Spirit, but he of the letter, and so by all his Preaching, cannot bring one to God, for he concludes the Scriptures is the way, and no way above it. But the Scriptures, h. 14.6 declare against him; saying, Christ is the way, unto the Father, and none can come to the Father, but by him, So it's full time, for all to turn from him, who turns all that comes to him, out of the way, His Argument prove that there is nothing to be looked for; above or beyond the Scriptures, is from the 2 Pet. 1.19. The Scriptures are a more sure word of Prophecy; by which he concludes them surer than a voice from Heaven, (Obs:) Scriptures at utmost are but a declaration of those voices, which came from Heaven, So cannot be surer than a voice from Heaven; no whut to abate his confidence I shall prove a voice from Heaven, surer than the Scriptures, from this very place where he reposeth his chiefest strength, (Mark) this voice was certain This is my Beloved Son hear him, Certainer (I am sure) it was to them that heard it, than this very Scripture, can be unto R. A. because some Translations renders it, a more sure word of the Prophets, as well as others a more sure word of Prophecy. This difference is very great, and by the Scriptures he cannot determine it. He looks for nothing further, so I am sure he cannot be certain, but for brevity sake and further satisfaction in this particular, peruse a Book of William Pen's called Quakerism, a new Nickname, for old Christianity, from page d82 to 191. being an answer to his Brother John Faldow. There is much builded more, upon this foundation, but it being removed the rest must come to nothing. Thirdly, He saith there is no such thing as an Extraordinary Inspiration to be looked for above the Scriptures, (Obs:) his notable reason for it, and that says he is) because it must necessarily be revealed to us by the Scriptures. Ans: Grant the Scriptures be the things of God: with respect to what they declare of, and at utmost they can be no more: than it follows, that they are so fare from revealing things which is above them: That they cannot open the Mystery declared of in them, to those that have them; Because the things of God knoweth no man but the Spirit of God, his Ignorance and want of God's Spirit, 1 Cor. 2.11. is further manifest by his setting up the Scriptures, in stead of the Spirit of God, saying it must be revealed to us by the Scriptures; his Assertion is also, in contradiction to the Scripture, which he says is his guide, by which it appears he is in the dark, and so knows not whither he goes, for it is written, etc. That which eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither came it into man's heart, etc. So that is beyond the Scripture, 1 Cor. 2.9 neither is nor can be revealed by them, because God reveals them by his Spirit, for the Spirit searcheth all things, 1 Cor. 2.9— Jere. 31.33, 34. even the deep things of God; Again it is the promise that God would write his Law in the heart, this is that inspiration, which is to be looked for, above and beyond the Scriptures, and that because it gives the knowledge of God. So as that they need not to be taught, or said unto know the Lord, which the Scripture cannot do; At utmost but pointing to it. (Obs:) God doth not there say he will write his Law in the Scriptures, but in the heart; therefore all that looks not for it in the heart, looks for it where it is not to be found, so must needs miss. Thus take it home, profess what you will, if you do not thus witness it, you are not yet in the new Covenant, So without God in the World, etc. He further saith, no Promise of a dispensation Superior to the Scriptures, etc. Thus his Ignorance is made manifest both of that Dispensation and also of the Scriptures, Isai: 54.13. Jere. 31.33, 34- for the Scriptures declare, that all shall be taught of God, is not this greater than to be taught of man or of the Scripture. Secondly, God said he would Write his Law it the heart, and they should all know him from the least to the greatest, Lastly, Joel 2.28 29. The Prophet Joel said, the Lord would pour forth of his Spirit upon all flesh, Sons, Daughters, and Handmaids, etc. Where this is truly known, there's nothing to do where such an Ignorant Teacher as he is; whose words render him ignorant of the Scripture, and of the Spirit that gave them forth. He further saith, Isa: 8.20. To the Law, and to the Testimony, if they speak not according to this Word, it's because there is no light in them, (Obs:) By this his conclusion he hath no light in him, or rather no morning to him, for he hath often in this discourse, spoken contrary to the Scriptures, And as for the Law and Testimony, seeing he pleads for none but that which is outward; It's thereby evident, he is Ignorant of the New Covenant, and knows nothing of the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, Ro. 8.2. etc. And so at utmost declares but of that which makes not the comers thereunto perfect, So no marvel if perfection be denied, etc. Again, he speaks by way of reflection upon us, as though we preached another Gospel, but it's more like that he and such who preach the Letter to be the Highest dispensation, and tell the People the Letter is the Gospel, as the Writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, when as the Gospel is the Power of God, (and so no outward thing.) And was preached to Adam, Ro. 1.16. Heb. 4.2. Gal: 3.8. to Abraham and the Israelites in the wilderness, so before the Writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John. Fourthly, He says, if there be any such dispensation, to be looked for, then there must of necessity be something to try it by, to distinguish it from false Appearances. (Obs:) If he intent further, than the Scripture declares of, I answer, none further, for the Scriptures speaks of a People: that was come to City of the Living God, New Jerusalem, to an Innumerable company of Angels, and to God the Judge of all: Heb: 12. this under the New Covenant. But that he is Ignorant of this, he has sufficiently showed, and knows nothing of him that speaks from Heaven, Heb. 12.25. But (says he) there must of necessity be something to try it by, etc. (Ans:) So there is, Job. 28.7 but it lies hid from every Vulture's eye, for the day is come that the Cananite can be no more in the House of the Lord, Zach: 14 21. nor can Israel's Corn be any more meat for his Enemies, a Stranger cannot intermeddle with his Joy, for the testimony is bound up, Isa: 8, 16 and the Law sealed among his Disciples. The Natural man cannot judge of those things, they are foolishness unto him, It's the Spiritual man which judgeth all things, that is led by the Spirit of God, which is a more absolute guide then the Scriptures, for they that are led by it, It bears Witness with their Spirits, Rom. 8.16. Joh. 5.10. that they are the Sons of God, which the Scriptures cannot do particularly, But saith the Scripture, every one that believeth hath the witness in high mselfe, but to speak a little plainer for their sakes that can receive it; if any would be made able to Judge of such dispensation they must wait to know a measure given them, for they may read before John did measure the Temple and them that worshipped therein, he had a measure given, but the outward Court he was not to met etc. Re. 11.1. And are not all here who are setting up so high outward things. When the New Covenant is inward and the Law inward, Joh. 4.24. 2 Cor. 4.18. Joh. 12.36. Ephe. 5.13. and God's worship in the Spirit and in the Truth, which are all inward, in respect of things that are outward, what is seen is temporal, but that which is not seen is Eternal, but no man can understand those things, except he come to believe in the Light, for it is Light that makes all things manifest, there is but light and darkness, and they are contrary one to another, Joh. 12.35. 2 Cor. 44. Eph 2.2. 1 Joh. 1.7 Joh. 1.5. he that walks in darkness knows not whither he goes, because the darkness hath blinded his Eye And that eye is inward which is blinded by the God of this world, that ruleth in the children of disobedience, but he that comes to the light and walks in the light as God is in the Light knows whither he goes, this light shines in darkness but the darkness comprehends it not. 2 Cor. 4.6, 7. And this light is to be looked for in the heart, for God that commanded light to shine out of darkness hath shined in our hearts, none can deny but the Law of God, by which man comes to know God must be written in the heart, Heb. 8.10.11. except they will deny the New Covenant. Thus what I have said is not contrary to the Scriptures, but hath Testimony of the Law, Prophets and Apostles, we do not make void the Scriptures but establish them, saying the Law is for the Lawless, and that the Scriptures are profitable for correction and Instruction, etc. So he may correct me by them if there be occasion, etc. But again, to pass by much of his discourse which is mostly impertinent to our purpose, and well nigh as frivolous, I shall observe his 4 directions. Which he says, he gives (lest he should leave his Auditors in the Dark) to discover those overcome with a Spirit of delusion. First says he there is no manner of proportion betwixt their pretence and the reality which is in them, etc. (Obs:) In his last direction I find that he means such are deceived themselves, for (saith he) they are deceived as well as deciving. So from his own word as most likely to persuade him that his Asertion is false, I infer if deceived and thereby deceiving others, there is Absolute proportion betwixt their end, and the pretence they make, for such persuades not to what they know is false, but to what they think is true, (Says he) they come with Esau's hand and jacob's voice, Jacob was not deceived for he knew what he did, therefore this is a plain contradion to his own words in his last direction, who said they was deceived as well as deceiving, thus his first direction his discovered his own delusion. His second direction reflecting upon us etc. They (says he) pretend extraordinary calls for ordinary work as in this Example, whose work but ordinary. That, that we might have told him, as well as he us, (Obs:) If you might have done it as well as he, Then truth I conclude, So no sign of delusion, And then why received he not from you such as you would have had done to you therefore your extraordinary words and Actions, demonstrate your Spirits, A Child he says might have told them as much, If a Child had learned it so he might. (Obs:) Is this saying so ordinary when true which Daniel Smith told you. As he was naked so were you, not being covered with the Spirit of the Lord, and that this saying was true is granted by his own confession, saying he told us nothing but what we might have told him; this his second direction shows his own confusion. etc. His third direction stated, It's a sign of a Spirit of delusion (says he when there is a Special Impropriation of Christ and all good things to themselves, with judging and condemning others, etc. (Obs:) Thus to reflect upon us is manifest Injury. And the effect of a Lying Spirit as shall be proved. Ro. 1.19. Tit. 2.11 For Daniel Smith told you that what was to be known of God was manifest in you, directing you to the grace of God in you, and also that God's love was towards you. And that he would not have any one of you to perish, with many more Good words to this purpose. Now if you should think that those was not good things, yet it is manifest that, Daniel Smith, and we also, are clear of this charge. By Preaching Gods free grace unto all. (Obs:) Must not every tongue confess truth unto God, if so, Col. 1.27 2 Cor. 13.5. why doth it offend you that we know Christ in us the hope of glory, seeing if he be not in you, You are Reprobates, Can the Scripture confess you to the Father, if Christ know you not, and if he be not in you is he not worthy to be esteemed a better Leader than the Scriptures, which doth at utmost but declare of him, Joh. 5.39 and point to him that all should come to him that would have life, Was not this the promise of the Father to give him for a Leader: Acts. 1.4, 5, 6, 7, 8. And are not all his Disciples and followers to wait for the same? Again, he says indeed its ordinary sometimes to say that they are Christ. etc. (Obs:) If he intent it is ordinary for us to say that we are Christ, let him show us who he hath known say so, for indeed his words import certainty on his part, But if he means its ordinary for such Logicians as himself, who by the Art of reasoning would make things appear to be that which in truth they are not, then let him know such Reasoning is Earthly sensual Devilish, And we pass not for it, yet we can truly see thereby that such are Natural notwithstanding their pretences, so cannot understand the things of God, 1 Cor. 2.14. 1 Joh. 2. 20-27. 1 Joh. 4.4 etc. (Obs:) Because Christ signifies anointed, can none have the Anointing but they must be counted Christ? did not the Primitive Christians acknowledge Christ in them, and the Anointing in them, and that he that was in them was greater than he that was in the world, So this his third direction is a true discovery of his own condition. Fourthly, His last direction observed, He saith that a Spirit of delusion is known by growing worse and worse, etc. (Obs:) We are willing to leave the Issue hereof to the Trial, Being satisfied if he be not yet made Manifest according to his own Rule, He shall be if he repent not. Again he saith. We have a more sure word of Pomise (as though none had the Scriptures but they) Here (saith he) we have our call, and something to try it by, (Obs:) His ignorance of him that searcheth the Heart and tryeth the Reins and declareth to man his thoughts, is plainly seen, by his setting up the Scripture, Amo. 4.13. as being surer than the Spirit of God, By which (Obs:) he shows us evidently that his call is not of God, So neither doth nor can Minister from the Ability of the grace of God, nor speak as the Oracle of God, (which is certain) which all true Ministers are to do, 1 Pet. 4.10. That God in all things may be glorified. But I infer, if the Scripture be the Rule, than all that have the Scriptures hath the Rule as well as you; then I query how comes it to pass there is so many different persuasions, when you have all but one Rule, Can the Scriptures have any more true meanings but one? is Christ divided, or is there any varyablenesse with God? But if you cannot own that every one that hath the Scriptures is in the Right, but only such as practise as you are persuaded. Then I query, How come you to be surer than others, seeing they plead Scriptures to justify them, as well as you: Therefore it follows, if you think yourselves surer than others, Knowing no further than the Scriptures, (as R. A. affirmeth) it is a setting up yourselves above others, So at best can be but an Imagination etc. (Thus by way of conclusion) I need not Enlarge as to show any thing further for the Justification of Daniel Smith in his naked carriage, than the Substance of that Assertion stated by R A. as ours in his third Imagination, seth, when he pleaseth, may by his Spirit, Led whom he pleaThat is, that the Lord And into what he pleaseth, now as well as he did the Prophets of Old, For with him is no variableness nor shadow of turning, and that because I have considered his strong Reasons, Assertions and Arguments, brought by him to Abrogate or Invalidate the former Assertion. And they are found (Instead of ours) to fall to the ground, And therefore is absolutely too short, and too Narrow to Answer his End or to be as a cover. So Daniel Smith Testimony remains firm, And consequently in measure fulfilled by the Appearing of this discourse, wherein Lies is seen to be R. A's. Refuge, So not covered by the Spirit of the Lord nor did he take council of him: Therefore let him and all that takes part with him in this Antichristian work, take heed, Such as they Sow, such must they Reap, if to the flesh than corruption, Gal: 6.7, 8. Joh. 16.13. Joh. 15.5. Ro. 8.9. but if to the Spirit life Everlasting, thus I conclude against his and all opposers utmost Force. That their is no guide into all Truth, but the Spirit of Truth, And that without this Spirit nothing can be done acceptable to the Father, and that he that hath it not is none of his. This for detecting of Error, that the truth may be made manifest, and the honest hearted Informed, who are or may be subject to be deceived by the working of the Immaginarie Spirit. By a lover of the Truth and souls of all men, whose eye God hath opened to see the deceit, and thus far enabled to make it manifest, 1 Cor. 27.28, 29. let him therefore have the glory who chooseth the foolish things to confound the Wise, saith John Hogg. THis discourse occasioned by a Scandalous paper spread abroad under the name of Mr. Astley Sermon: and being desirous to know the truth thereof, it was conveyed unto him, according as in this letter inserted. But he refusing to Answer our just desire, therein expressed, We could do no less for the truth sake then publish it, etc. The 19 of the 9 Month. 1673. Richard Astley WHereas this Paper or Sermon, which we present to thy view, by thy Friend, R. N. was publicly declared to be thine, Before a Priest, and divers People, By one glorying and boasting in it, over our Friends (whom the Scorners call Quakers) one of them being present, heard him confidently affirm, thou would own it; Therefore we expect, (as just and equal) that thou should give us it under thy hand, as thine, Or not thine, if but part thine, then plainly show us what thou owns, Or what thou disownes, that the truth (which is but one) may be made manifest, which hurts none but its Enemies, this Ingeniously performed by thee, will at present satisfy. Thy Friends John Lyth. John Hogg. Anth: Wells. Richard Astleys Answer to the foregoing letter concerning his Sermon was that it was generally his own, except some words that was not sense which we suppose came by the Scribe and no advantage taken of here; now having long expected a more plain and full answer according to their Promise, which not finding in this great length of time, we conclude they do not intent to make it public, and therefore this is thought convenient to be published.