TWO SPEECHES DELIVERED IN PARLIAMENT. THE ONE, By Master PYM, the 17th. of March. THE OTHER, By Master HOLLIS the 21. Both worthy Members of the House of COMMONS.  
WHEREIN, They desire a speedy course to be taken for rectifying of grievances, and punishing enormous crimes in this Kingdom: As also, the bringing of the ATTVRNEY-Generall to his ANSWER.  
LONDON. Printed for Andrew Coe, and Marmaduke Boat. 1642.   

The Speech delivered by Mr. Hollis one of the Members of the House of Commons, now conjoined in PARLIAMENT.  
With his Arguments against Master Harbert His Majesty's Attorney General, for drawing the Articles of high Treason against himself, and the other five Members of the said House.  

Mr. Speaker,  
THe subtlety, policy, and dubious ways, bearing rule in a man corrupted, whose evil actions come within the compass, and justly claim the due reward of exemplary punishment, is always working; although by the destruction and utter delabition of the virtuous, and innonocent (whose words and works, actions and endeavours, can be termed to lay holds on nothing but realties) to clear himself: The actions, conditions, and endeavours of the good man, being always the contrary, there being no vicissitude or coherence with them, in respect they are mere opposites, the one seeking to perform duty both to God and man, through his true dealing for the truth, the other seeking what in him lieth, for the advancing of impiety: The good man joining with his practice, is daily labours for the defence of virtuous and pious designs, thereby seeking with vigilancy to bring the malignant persons to deserved punishments, it being a work, which in conscience is due both to God, his King, and Country.  
First, To God in respect of Religion, and the true and real Faith we now profess in the Church of England, without which we are nothing, being no less than mere Atoms to the World, and the just Antipodes to a ground Faith. No faith can stand without that true Foundation of Christ, no grounds of salvation can be had, but by and through those extraordinary merits and sufferings, which we are partakers of in Christ: if so, then does our Saviour da●●● suffer in the instigations, and quo●● all provo●… against him all which are vi●●ated by those who are many ●mal g●●n●s to the truth.  
Secondly, To the King, what greater abuse can there be to His Sacred Majesty then by the continual sufferance, the Subject, endures through the ill Counsel administered to our Sovereign, being done under the colour of Loyalty; yet in proving in matter, no better then flat abuses to this whole Kingdom.  
Thirdly, If that God and the King, so much suffer by the aforesaid means, the poor Subject and Country can do no less; witness the daily disturbances which are now a days, being so many, that there is no County almost within his Majesty's Dominions, but hath delivered their humble petitions to this Honourable Assembly, for removal of the said grievances and the depriving of the aforesaid persons of their usurped authority.   

Mr. Speaker,  
IT is palpable that the wicked man, cares not though he dishonours God in the highest degree, may he but defend himself and vices, though to the utter abolishing of Religion, King, and Country, (aforesaid) if opposite to his designs.  
We have had the experience of the evils and great troubles that have been raised in this State by ill instruments, men of power and authority in the same, and not only of public misdoers and open enemies, but also of many privare draffected spirits, whose outward carriage hath procured to themselves esteem and respect in their County. Nay, so well have they been approved on, that their Country hath not misled them, with both their estates and privileges, as electing them Members of this high Court of Parliament; wherein also for a long time, they have discharged their duties to their King and Country; nay, and attained the general estimation and respect of all men, as worthy members of the Commonwealth; but their hearts disagreeing with their outward qualities, being not upright and perfect, have at least showed themselves in their perfect colours, and brought them-selves to shame and dishonour.   

Mr. Speaker,  
I Have further to spoken of nothing but generals ●ow I intent to insist upon a per●●●●ar, being the Gentleman, who as yet stands 〈◊〉 by this Honourable House, His Majesty's Arturney General, who hath been a man, upon whom all these Honours aforenamed, have been couferred in the Parliament, and no least esteemed by His Majesty; his place therein being sufficiently honourable, he needed not to have proceeded so far as to prove ambitious, or malicious; which of the two I can nominate, nor am able to distinguish, was his error, or whether he is guilty of both; how ever, it does appear, his heart was not right in discharging his duty in that great place committed to him; and as he was a Member of the Parliament, had he been faithful to his King and Country, he had never undertaken this Enterprise to accuse us of treason, and draw the accusation against us himself for which we have already, & further are bound to answer.   

Mr. Speaker,  
HIs offence is of a high nature, of dangerous consequence, a maniselt Breach of the Privileges of Parliament, an apparent treachery (if found to rely upon him) against those accused Members, of which I am the least, yet moved to speak in the Cause, The offence is generally against the whole State, deserving great punishment for the fame.  
By this he hath made himself guilty of those misdemeanours, that other Delinquents have been impeached, and accused for, and nothing inferior to them in their crime. This design was a great offence (if by him advised) against His sacred Majesty himself, in seeking to work an evil opinion in him concerning his Parliament, and their proceed in the great affairs, of both Church and State. This is the matter that discourages this Hononrable Assembly in proceeding in such businesses, as may be for the honour of their King and Country; when they perceive that all their endeavours; and dutiful actions, are not well accepted by his Majesty, This and such like ill Counsels hath caused all this distraction in the State.   

Mr. Speaker,  
THe Charge is apparent against him, the accusation is apparent before (as though void;) therefore I in behalf of the rest of the Members, most humbly desire you would proceed to voting him upon the same, as he shall be found guilty, and his reward may be contributed for the same: I for my part have performed my promise to those other Members accused, in moving you in the business; To whose consideration I now leave it, as being best able to determine of a matter of so great weight.    

Master Pyms Speech, the 17. of March, 1641.  
Mr. Speaker,  
THis great Council, as Tully said of the Senate of Rome, is the soul of the Commonwealth, wherein one may hear and see, all the grievances of the Subjects, and in the multitude of such Counsellors there is safety. Amongst whom, the greatest privilege is liberty of Speech; And theffore I humbly offer it unto you, to take it into your serious consideration, whatwrong hath been done herein, and what judgements hath been against the Members of this house, for speaking nothing, but what hath been for the good of the Commonwealth, which said judgements hath been against Law and Reason, being without precedent.  
What grounds are there, that a Parliament which is the highest of all Courts, should be questioned by inferior Courts and Judges; as if the Common-Pleas should question the Kings-Bench, or the Chancery be questioned by either of them; perhaps the Authors of it have nature to plead for themfelves, which indeed teacheth every man to preserve himself.  
This perhaps makes them advance that, and those Members which otherwise must condemn themselves; & such things have been done to maintain their proceed; as not only to intrengh upon the liberties of Parliament; but also the whole Commonwealth, wherein I had rather suffer for speaking the truth, than the truth suffer for want of my speaking.  
Where was evermore piety in a Prince, and more loyalty in Subjects; and yet what Commonwealth ever suffered like this? His Majesty is the Sun, which although it ever shine in itself gloriously, yet by reason of clouds, it many times doth not so appear to us; and if his Majesty by reason of bad members, may not appear in such splendour: let us labour to Eclipse those Clouds, that endeavour to stand betwixt us, and the Beams of his favour; otherwise what will it avail if the Fountain be clear, if the streams that issue there from be not so: also I will only instance in some of the like particulars.  
If we look into the face of Religion, that is now outfaced by a Company of Seminary Priests, who what they want in power, have in malice against the Protestant; So long as the Pope his agents amongst us: But these are the enemies of the Church, without it; we have those likewise within the Church, who can pull down, but never build up, demolish, but never establish the true Church: Such are those whom we rearm non-resident, that serve the Church more for living then loving; such as oversway all by worldly preferments, and feveralities of Benefices: Christ made it the Touchstone of Peter's love unto him, to feed his sheep and Lambs, but these men look at their own private gains, not labouring duplicately for those double honours which they daily get.  
What thing is there more against the Laws of this King and nature, then for one man to have above one wife, and one shepherd more than one sheepfold.  
These are the dumb dogs the Prophet speaks on, that cannot utter a word for God, of whom the people may seek spiritual food, but can find none. Others there are that preach, but not the Gospel, but themselves; teaching that the King hath an unlimited power, and that the Subject hath no propriety in their goods.  
These are bad Divines, and worse and more ignorant Statesmen, who under the name of Puritans condemn all, who truly profess Religion. There are surely many that under the form of godliness cloak impiety; but to teach that a man can be too holy, is the Doctrine of Devils.  
The inconveniences like to come, and already fallen upon the Kingdom, may be justly said to arise from these several Heads of ill Counsels;  
1. Such as those are the most pernicious dangers that can fall upon us or come to a State. It is usual in this kind to compare Politic bodies with the natural: The Natural body is endangered divers wait, either by outward violence, which may be seen and prevented, or by less appearing malidies, which grows upon the body by the distemper of the air, immoderate exercise or diet, &c And when the causes of the disease are clear, the remedy is easily applied: But disease's which proceed from the inward p●rt, as the liver, the heart, or the brain, it is a hard thing to apply an apt cure to such diseases; the Counsels are of this same nature, for the mischiefs that come by such Counsels, corrupt the vital parts, and overthrows the administration of public government.  
2. That there are such ill Counsels about the Kings most excellent Majesty, most palpably appears, when as the main course of government hath been so employed; as Popery thereby hath been rather maintained then excluded the Laws subverted, and no d●st●n●● on between Justice, and Injustice: and that there is still reason to doubt, is apparent by courses taken, to advance mischievous designs; but that his Majesty's wisdom and goodness kept them f●om the heart, though they could not be kept out of the Court.  
3. The ill Counsels of these times are in their own, not ours, more mischievous and more dangerous than the ill Counsels of former times: Those being only to please the King & Prince, and to raise Prerogatives these being miseries sufficient: But the ill Counsels of these times are to alter Religion and Law.  
4. That these ill counsels have proceeded from a spirit and inclination to Popery, and have had a dependency on Popery. The Religion of the Papists is a Religion incomputable to any other Religion, destructive to all others and whosoever doth withstand their Religion, (if it lie in their power) they bring them to ruin; these counsels therefore must needs be pernicious.  
5. Fifthly and Lastly, while these evil Counsels continue unchanged, it is impossible that any assistance, aid, or advice, that the Parliament shall take to reform, will be effectual for the public: We that are the instruments of State, may put things in action and good order; but as long as these evil Counsels are on foot, we can expect no good event: Wherefore I shall desire this Judicious Assembly to consider of it, And I that have discharged my duty in motioning, shall likewise join with you for the effecting of all things for the good of this Kingdom.  
FINIS.