CERTAIN QUESTIONS PROPOUNDED To the ASSEMBLY, to answer by the Scriptures: whether corporal punishments may be inflicted upon such as hold errors in Religion. 1. That no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the Beast, or the number of his name, Rev. 13. 17. See Rev. 14. 8, 9, 10. 2, Ye are bought with a price; be not the servants of men, 1 Cor. 7. 23. 3. Ye suffer fools gladly, 2 Cor. 11. 19 and yet I may not be suffered. By S. R. LONDON, Printed Anno Dom. 1646. To the impartial READER. IF in this life only we had hope in Christ, Cor. 1. 9 we are of all men most miserable: for almost every man thinks himself most happy, that can do us the most mischief: so that scarce any place can hardly be found in which we can be let alone: notwithstanding, we eat our own bread, and wear our own clothing: (to say no more) live quietly, & do no man wrong. We are daily unjustly accused, and liable to be stripped of outward comforts; because we will not believe and practise that which is in our understandings a lie. And is it not strange, that some dare affirm that to be truth, and would have others compelled to believe it: notwithstanding, they cannot read it unto us out of the holy Scriptures, Neither can they prove themselves to be our spiritual masters. If they can, we are content to be their spiritual servants, and believe, and practice, what and how much of any Religion they please to appoint. But until they can prove to us, to have such power, it will be to no purpose for them to appoint us what to believe, &c. & that that which is truth, may more clearly appear. I desire they would give a plain and full answer (to these Questions I have propounded) according to the Scriptures; That so if we be mistaken, we trust we shall be glad to see it, and embrace it, &c. Certain QUESTIONS propounded to the SYNOD. QUEST. 1. Whether corporal punishments can open blind eyes, and give light to dark understandings? 2 Whether carnal punishments can produce any more than a carnal repentance and obedience? 3 Whether the destroying of men's bodies for errors, be not a means to prevent their conversion; seeing some are not called until the eleventh hour: and if they should be cut off for their errors the seventh hour. how should they have come in? Mat. 20 6. 4 Whether those who would force other men's consciences, be willing to have their own forced? 5 Whether it be wisdom and safe to make such sole Judges in matte●s of Religion, who are not infallible, but as liable to err as others? 6 If a a Father, or Magistrate have not power to force a virgin to marry one she cannot love; whether they have power to force one where they cannot believe, against the light and checks of their own consciences? 7 Whether the Scripture makes the Magistrate Judge of our faith? 8 If the Magistrate may determine what is truth; whether we must not believe, and live by the Magistrotes faith, and change our Religion at their pleasures? And if nothing must be preached, nor no books of Religion printed, nor be allowed to pass, unless certain men may please to approve, and give their allowance thereto, under their hands; whether such do not by this practice, tell God, that unless he will reveal his truth first to them, they will not suffer it to be published, & so not known to be (even with him) notwithstanding the Magistrate may and aught to hinder the printing and publishing of that which shall be against the safety and welfare of the State. But we must distinguish between matters civil and religious: we question their power in the latter. Also, whether the Licencer setting his hand to the book to licence it, (he being a Priest by his ordination and from the Pope) be not the mark of the Beast, spoken of Revel. 13. 17? And whether all such as have gone to them to licence the truth ought not to repent of it, and do so no more? Also whether these men be fit to be Licencers of the truth, who when the truth hath been tendered them to be licenced, they have confessed the truth of it, as they have been free to licence it; but refused, because they durst not? And whether it can be made appear, that God hath revealed his truth first to these Ministers of England, and so the first spreaders of it? Instance, who opposed the prelates, the Ministers, or the people; first? And so of the rest. 9 Whether it be not the command of Christ, that the tares (those that walk in lies) and the wheat (those that walk in the truth) should be let alone; and the blind (led in a false Religion) which are offended at the declaring of the truth, should be let alone? Mat. 13. 30. 38. Mat. 15. 14 10 Whether he was not reproved, that would have fire from heaven to devour those that reject Christ, Luke 9 54, 55. 11 Whether the servants of the Lord are not forbidden to strive, but to be gentle towards all? 2 Tim. 4. 2. 12 Whether the Saints weapons against errors, be carnal or no? 2 Cor. 10. 4. 13 Whether it was not Christ's command, that his Disciples when they were persecuted, they should pray; and if cursed, bless? 14 Whether the Scriptures declare, that the Saints should persecute others; and whether the gentle lambs of Christ can serve the Wolves so, seeing he sent his as sheep among wolves, and not as wolves among sheep, to kill and imprison, Matth. 10. 16. 15 Whether Christ hath said, He will have an unwilling people compelled to serve him? 16 Whether ever God did plant his Church by violence and bloodshed? 17 Whether tares may not become wheat, and the blind see, and those that now oppose and resist Christ, afterwards receive him: and he that is now in the devil's snare, may get out, and come to repentance: and such as are Idolaters, as the Corinthians were, may become true worshippers, as they that are strangers may become God's people? 18 Whether to convert an heretic, and to cast out unclean spirits, be done any other way then by the finger of God, by the mighty power of the Spirit in the word? 19 Whether he that is not conformable to Christ, may not at the same time be a good subject to the State, and as profitable to it as any? 20 Whether men that differ in Religion, may not be tolerated, seeing Abraham abode among the Canaanites along time; yet contrary to them in religion, Genes. 13. 7. & 16. 13. and he sojourned in Gezer, and King Abimel●ch gave him leave to abide in his land, Gen. 20. 21. 23. 24. And Isaac dwelled in the same land, yet contrary in Religion Gen. 31. The people of Israel were about 430. years in Egypt, and afterwards in Babylon, all which time they differed in Religion from the State, Exod. 12. 2 Chron. 36. Christ and his Disciples differed from the common religion of the State, Acts 19 20. and when the enemies of the truth raised up any tumults, the wisdom of the Magistrate most wisely appeased them, Acts 18. 14. & 19 15. 21 Wether it be not better for us, that a patent were granted to monopolise all the corn and cloth, and to have it measured out unto us at their price and pleasure, which yet were intolerable; as for some men to appoint and measure out unto us what and how much we shall believe and practice in matters of religion. 22. Whether there be not the same reason that they should be appointed by us what they shall believe and practice in religion, as for them to do so to us, seeing we can give as good grounds for what we believe and practice (as they can do for what they would have) if not better. 23 Whether men heretofore have not in zeal for religion, persecuted the Son of God, in stead of the son of perdition? 24 Whether it is not a burden great enough for the Magistrate to govern and judge in civil causes, to preserve the subjects rights, peace and safety? 25 If the Magistrate must judge and punish in matters of religion, the Magistrate must ever be troubled with such persons and such causes: & if after his conscience be convinced, he had no such power, or see that it was truth he punished; what horrors of conscience is he like to possess? 26 Whether he is fit to appoint punishments, that is not fit to judge? 27 If the Magistrate must punish errors in religion, whether it doth not impose a necessity that the Magistrate is to have a certainty of knowledge in all intricate cases? and whether God calls such to that place, whom he hath not furnished with abilities for that place? And if a Magistrate be in darkness, and spiritually blind, and dead; be fit to judge of light, of truth and error? and whether such be fit for the place of the Magistracy? then whether it be not a scruple to a tender conscience to submit to such in civil causes, because not appointed to that place by God? whereas if the Magistrates power be only civil, the doubt is resolved, because such as may be fit for Magistrates, and men ought in conscience in civil things to submit unto them. 28 Whether there be any Scripture that saith, that any man's conscience is to be constrained, and whether the Magistrate can reach men's consciences; and whether he be fit to make a law to conscience, who cannot know when conscience keeps it, and that cannot reward conscience for keeping it, nor punish the conscience for the breaking of it? 29 Whether it be not in vain for us to have Bibles in English, if against our souls persuasions from the Scriptures we must believe as the Church believes? 30 Whether the Magistrate be not wronged, to give him the Title of civil Magistrate only, if his power be spiritual? 31 Whether laws made merely concerning spiritual things, be not spiritual also? 32 Whether if no civil law be broken, the civil peace be hurt or no? 33 Whether in compulsion for conscience, not only the guilty, but the innocent suffer also? As if the husband be an heretic, his sufferings may cause the innocent wife and children shall suffer as deeply also. 34 Whether such as are spiritually dead, be capable to be spiritually infected? 35 Whether God will accept of a painted sepulchre, a shadow, a mere compliment of obedience, when the heart is dead and rotten, and hates God, and all that is good? God hath no need of hypocrites; much less of forced ones: God will have those to worship him as can worship him in spirit and truth, John 4. 36 Whether the Scriptures appoint any other punishment to be inflicted upon heretics, than rejection and excommunication? Tit. 3. 10. 37 Whether freedom of conscience would not join all sorts of persons to the Magistrate, because each shared in the benefit? 38 Whether those States (as the Low-Countries,) who grant such liberty, do not live quietly, and flourish in great prosperity? 39 Whether persecution for Conscience do not harden men in their way, and make them cry out of oppression and tyranny? 40 Whether some corporal punishments would not make thousands in England face about to Popery, as it did in Queen Mary's time. 41 Whether laws made concerning religion, have not always catched the most holy men; witness Daniel and the three children: the rest will be of what religion you will. 42 Whether the Saints crave the help of the powers of this world to bring Christ to them, or fear their powers to keep him from them? 43 If no Religion is to be practised, but that which the commonwealth shall approve on: what if they will approve of no Religion? shall men have no Religion at all? 44 Whether the Saints ought not to continue their Assemblies of their worship of God, without, or against the consent of the Magistrates; they being commanded to do so, Mal. 28. 18, 19, 20. Heb. 10. 25. By an Angel from God, Acts 5. 20. It was the Apostles practice (who were not rebellious nor seditious) Act. 4. 18, 19, 20, 23. and 5. 22, 28. 45 Whether uniformity in Religion in the State, do not oppress millions of souls, and impoverish the Saints bodies. 46 Whether God's people have not disputed and taught a Religion new and worship, contrary to the State they lived in, and spread it in travelling and open places; as appears Act. 17. 2. 17. and 18. 48. yet no origancy and impetuousness. Yea, contrary to public authority in the Nations uniformity, in false worship, Dan. 3. the three children; so the Apostle, Act. 4, 5. The Saints have openly witnessed, that in matters spiritual, Jesus was King, Act. 17 7. and for this Christ suffered; as appears by his accusation, John 9 19 Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews, Psal. 2. 6. Act. 2. 36. God's People have seemed the disturbers of the civil State, upon the Apostles preaching, there followed uproars, and Tumults, and uproars, at Iconium, at Ephesus, at Jerusalem, Act. 14. 4. Act. 19 29, 40, Act. 21, 30, 31. 47 Whether Jesus Christ, appointed any material Prisons for Blasphemers of him? Whether notwithstanding the confidence of the truth they have, to which they would force others, whether the Bishops, their Fathers, &c. have not been as deeply mistaken; for now they, are found to be Antichristian. 48 Whether it be not a natural Law for every man that liveth, to worship that which he thinketh is God, & as he thinketh he ought to worship; and to force otherwise, will be concluded an oppression of those persons so forced. Whether it be best for us to put out our eyes, and see by the eyes of others who are as dim-sighted? In my judgement, your judgement is a lie: will ye compel me to believe a lie? compel ye a man to be present at a worship which he loathes? 49 Either the civil, or the Spiritual State must be supreme: which of these must judge the other in spiritual matters? if the Magistrate, than he is above the Church, and so the head of the Church; and he hath his power from the People: (to govern the Church) whether it will not follow, that the People, as a People, have originally as men a power to govern the Church, to see her do her duty, to reform & correct her; and so the Spouse of Christ, the wife of Christ must be corrected according to the pleasure of the world, who lie in wickedness? 1 John 5. What power a Church hath over a Magistrate, if he be a Member of the Church: if members, they may be excommunicated, if so discerning. Reason 1. Because Magistrates must be subject to Christ, but Christ censures all offenders, 1 Cor. 5. 4, 5. 2. Every brother must be subject to Christ's censure, Mat. 18. 15, 16, 17. but Magistrates are Brethren, Deut. 17. 15. 3. They may censure all within the Church, 1 Cor. 5. 12. 4. The Church hath a charge of all the souls of the Church, and must give account of it, Heb. 13. 17. 5. Christ's censures are for the good of souls 1 Cor. 5. 6. but Magistrates must not be denied any privilege for their souls, else they by being Magistrates, should lose a privilege of Christ's. 6. In which privileges, Christians are all one, Gal. 2. 28. Col. 3. 11. Sins of Magistrates are hateful and condemned, Esay 10. 1. Mich. 3. 1. It's a Paradox, that a Magistrate may be punished by the Church, and yet that they are Judges of the Church. 50 Whether every man upon that Religion, which in his conscience he is persuaded is true, whether he doth not upon the truth thereof venture his soul. If that Religion the Magistrate, be persuaded be true, he owes a threefold duty. First, Approbation, Esa 49. Rev. 21. with a tender respect to the truth, and the Professors of it. Secondly, personal submission of his soul to the power of Jesus his government, Matth. 18. 1 Cor. 5. Thirdly, protection of them, and their estates from violence and injury, Rom. 13. to a false Religion he owes. 1. Permission (for approbation he owes not to what is evil) as Mat. 13. 30. for public peace and quietness. 2. Protection of the Persons of his subjects (though of a false worship) that no injury be offered to the persons or goods of any, Rom. 13. Object. The Kings of Inda compelled men to serve the Lord. ergo, Kings may now compel, &c. Answ. They who lived under the Jewish worship only were compelled, strangers were not. Secondly, they were not compelled to any thing, but what they knew and confessed was their duty, 2 Chron. 16. 12, 13, 14, 15. Thirdly, if they did compel, their actions were not moral to oblige other Kings to do so. May not the Prelates by the same reason allege the Order of the priesthood for their Episcopacy, as you for the Kingly. Fourthly, the Kings of Israel did not imprison schismatics, pharices', Herodians, &c. Fifthly, the Kings of Israel had extraordinary profits to direct them what to do infallibly; these Kings have none such to direct them. Sixthly, If the Law be moral; where is it set down in Christ's Testament (which is to be our Rule) that the Magistrate shall compel all to his Religion: for to another he will not. Object. Then every man may live as he list. Answ. Had not he as good live as he list; as live as you list? Object. Then it seems errors may be suffered. Answ. If truth may be suffered also, it will prevail against Errors. It's no more in their power to hinder Errors, than it was in the power of the Prelates to hinder mens preaching writing, and speaking against them. If you can hinder Satan's suggestions, and the vain imaginations of men's hearts, and expel the darkness in men, and place light in stead thereof, and hinder men from speaking each to other; than you can suppress erors'▪ else not, the Lord only can surprise Errors by the mighty power of his spirit with his word, and we believe he will certainly do it in his time to his glory, and the comfort of his people amen. One thing more I desire to know why the Priests of England assume to themselves the title of a (Divine) is it because they are exercised in Divine truths, or because they partake of the Divine nature, or both, if so, than many Tradesmen may as well have the title of Divine given them as well as they because they partake of the Divine nature, and are as much exercised in matters Divine, as the most of them, but it is a question to me, whether the title Divine is to be given to any man, but only to God alone; whose being, is only Divine. FINIS