A SEA-CABBIN DIALOGUE, Between two Travellers lately come from HOLLAND.  
Translated out of Dutch; And Dedicated to all those who desire to understand things rightly.  
LONDON, Printed by T. M. 1652.   

A Sea-Cabbin-Dialogue, Between two Travellers, lately come from HOLLAND.  Viz. Kitt and Boulton. Kit. 
WIll it not be imagined that these Butter box Flemings are enfatuated for their weighing Anchor, and hoising their Sails towards England, to do Penance there for their brethren's misdemeanours at Amboyna, and to pay an after-reckoning for the once Cautionary Towns? As also to be talked withal concerning the Fishing in that Sea, which without the permission of the English Nation, must be to them Mare clausum, and not Liberum, notwithstanding late Grotius his opinion and Rhetoric. Besides, all the due af-reckning, and liquidations for several injuries, depradations, detentions, spoils and the like. Truly, it seems to me a mere riddle (I say) why those wise and grave Statesmen, who have so manfully withstood the Don Deigos de matta-mores, and all the power of the Austrian adherents; should be induced to submit themselves to any other law save the Cannon? And why they should not make use of Dunkirk (that second commodious Algiers Pirates Nest) whence they might have launched forth Squadrons of Fireships on the English-fleets, and might have taken the opportunities of Winds, Tides, and dark nights to send them into the very Seaports, nay up as high as London-bridge.  Boul. 
Why not? Canutus the Dane did once do the like before, for all the ships watched that Road in the River: And what did not those State's Admiral Hemskerck attempt and go through within the Bay, and under the Fort of Gibraltar?  Kit 
I marry: And why should not they blow up the ships on the coast, by such a like engine, as Cornelius Drebbell invented? which was to swim betwixt two waters; and the which is practised by too many wicked men in this age. It is apparent that the Commonwealth of England is as subtle as Jacob: But why should the Hoghen Mogen sell their Birthright? For (I pray you) what would the English get by a breach, nought save blows?  Boul. 
And what would the Hoghen mogen's get by the bargain?  Kit. 
By a Peace with the Hoghen mogen's, I confess the English will have made just such a Feast as the Fox and Crane did; and it would be but according to the Dutch old saying; They would shear the Sheep, and leave the shearing of the Hogs to the Hollanders. But since they have bought up all the Westphalia bacon (to make fireships withal) they will be such guests unto the English, as Sampsons' Foxes were to the Philistines; for that they would be soon constrained to change their entertainment: They may therefore amuse the English with a pratie, or a tale in a Tub; that so whilst they are a feasting on Custards and Bag puddings, the Butter-box-Flemmings may have time to buy up all the Pitch, Tar and Masts, from the frozen parts; that so in the mean while their landsmen may get off their goods.  Boul. 
I, and all the Timber from the Black-sea, where the grand Signior builds his Galleys.  Ket. 
Nay, you need not to jest? I am in earnest.  Boul. 
Nor do I; for that I am fully persuaded, in case the English agree not with them; they will as then have had time enough to be possessed of all such things, whereof the English stand in need; and the present want whereof would for ever make the English uncapable to supply, and make good their Fleets.  Ket. 
And they must expect as aforesaid to meet nought save blows: For that Kees knelessen will fall too his Sable-cutter, and his Gravesand Cheese buckler, and will pay it home with a Te mere den hoop te mere smiit●ick daer do't, the more in number, the more I shall be sure to kill; for in a word, it is but too appear, that in case the English be let alone, they will become so mighty, as that they will enforce Laws on others, and that new Laws too; do we not already see that they speak in a known language, and not at all in heathen greek? The Hollanders have hitherto said, Striike end set; but the English will strike at the best of the traffics, profits, and so set out laws for their Neighbours? Are they not become such skilful gamesters, as that they have given checkmate to King, Queen, and what not?  Boul 
And I pray you, have the Hoghen Moghens done much less?  Kit. 
The Duke d' Alva, the Cardinal Gramvel, and Don John of Austria were the causes thereof, by their cruel & tyrannical forcing of the consciences of men; by their entrenching on the Liberties, Lives, and Estates of every rational breathing soul amongst them. For my part, if I were to determine this case, I would have the Hollanders stand it out at any rate, since of all Nations that ever made wars, they alone have enriched themselves thereby: Now suppose the English be at Peace with them, why as then they will sweep away all the profits of the traffic? But if the Hollanders stand it out, it will remain theirs; and they will likewise have a concourse of all the best English Seamen, who affect the Royal Party; besides, the French, Danes, and who not? All which will be Striike end Set, with them.  Boul. 
Truly, me thinks your discourse savours much of an Arch-fire-brand; and not as that of one who should have learned to practise the Hollanders too ancient main say, viz. Houdt vast end beleght; that is, hold fast and contrive: Secondly, Haet is goet met een ghesondeheigt te bed te gaen; it is good sleeping in a whole skin. And as for the Hoghen mogen's, they are wise, and know by a long experience, what Nation is best to live in peace withal; so likewise do they know, that Sawdust and Sand cannot make good Mortar; Even so, any Nation that is of a contrary Religion cannot compose so firm an amity, but they will always be subject to change.  Kit. 
What talkest thou of Religion? that's a pretty toy indeed to reflect on in this age: would not many at the present say as an eminent Person during the last Baricadoes of Paris did, to wit, Le Dieu de ces temps sont de venu trop vieux ill en fault Mouler d'autres; That the gods of those times (meaning the stone idols in the Papists Churches) were become so old, as that they needed to be new moulded.  Boul. 
But I pray you interrupt me not; I have not stopped you in your carreare: The Hollanders, I say, are well acquainted with the power of the English Nation, both by Land and Sea.  Kit. 
By Land! they are fierce blades indeed, and a plain knock-down, pellmell, is their greatest skill, as Count Harcourt observed of them; as long as they might lie in beds, have their good-ale at their Noses, and their Nightcaps on their heads; so likewise hath experience manifested their great exploits at Sea, viz. Cales and Rochel.  Boul. 
I, but these are old stories; that was a fooling age, wherein men and their followers were charmed by love toys; even as Ulysses his men were by Circe's. The English present warriors, think more on the laying of their enemies in the dust then of powdering their hairs; they fight and pray, as Moses and the Israelites did.  Kit. 
In this kind, you seem to talk of Saints, but I pray you, doth not the world conceive the contrary of some of them?  Boul. 
Puf! the world is a Fools-cap; there is no gold without some dross, before it be seventimes refined.  Kit. 
I, but when will that be, at Doomsday think you?  Boul. 
I beseech you let me proceed, (and stop your fierd-brand vain) Do not the English as they lie in their beds, see through their Windows the Hollanders fleet sailing too and again along their Coasts? Were not the Hollanders constrained to advise their Indian Squadrons to sail about; when the business of Amboina was first reported? May they not be taken every where, and every day? Have the Hoghen Moghen so many Shires of firm ground as the English? And whereon Nations may live happily, and may make the Seas the parting-wals betwixt that great Nation, that careth not whether any come amongst them or no? In England all the Elements are good, among the Dutch all the Elements are bad; the English have within themselves whatsoever they need; the Dutch have nothing of all they want, save Butter, Cheese and Fish. And for all the fire-brand-like expressions of the firing of Fleets at Sea, in Ports and Harbours, nay, the very Stairs of London Bridge Tavern; though it be granted that all the Canon shot from the Blockhouses at Gravesend should do no harm against such Barks as might take the opportunity of Winds, and Tides, and dark nights; though Men-of-war riding on the River, and be lovingly linked together with Cable-bracelets, should not be capable to hinder the passages of such Boats no more than the Damiaten chains could impedite the Belgians fetching away of the silver Bells which are at Harlem: Finally, suppose that men should be so moapish as to believe the old stories which Mother Shipton recounted in a Chimney-corner, or such like which Almanac makers have divulged on the same score, when as they wanted money to clear those which they had made in Alehouses and Tobaco-shops. In the mean while, I pray, have not the English Bacon to make Fireships withal, as well as the Hollanders? can they not make use of Drebbels or such like inventions, to drive between two waters, and to get under any of their adverse parties ships? And when as you talk of Dunkirk, cannot the English stop up that Harbour, or any other they shall have a mind unto? As it was intended, during the late breach between Spain, France, and England. Really, I am of an opinion, that neither the English nor the Dutch will be so far overshot in the true principles of State, as to be diverted by bravadoes, far less by scare-crows; viz. the pretended impossibility of an agreement betwixt them; The General States may ever remember their own saying, Concordia res parvae crescunt, magna dilabuntur; they have done well, wisely, and like themselves in going for England, where they may try what may be done in a friendly way: when as the English will also doubtless be so wise as to remember the Scripture saying, viz. Beati pacifici, and to accept of possibilities, as well as of conveniencies. Moreover, I am confident that this will fall out according to the Marquis of Spinola's usual saying, who was of an opinion, that Treaties ought never to be refused, viz. Entretenemos à essa platica; let us entertain this parley: so likewise, do the Dutch also say, Tuschen loven end bieden, vergaederen end vereenighen de lieden, between ask and bidding chapmen assemble and agree: The rigour of the law, (it is true) demands the life, but the Judge doth for the most part suffer the party to be freed by a more easy satisfaction.  Kit. 
It seems then that you mind an agreement, and not to say as the French, viz. Il fait bon pescher en eau trouble, It's good fishing in muddy water.  Boul. 
Why, truly I ever minded, it according unto the Italian saying, Qui pissa chara gaba el medico, He that makes clear water may laugh at the Physician. I did ever endeavour to persuade all men to agree, and when as I found parties to be at such a distance, and at such an enmity together, as that it was requisite to use art in the reconciling of them, as than I endeavoured to deceive them both by a lawful stratagem, only to make them friends.  Kit. 
But how could you make that good, since deceits is always to be abhorred?  Boul. 
Deceit in such like punctiloes is not only lawful but very necessary; as for example, When a Spaniard is to be treated withal, he must be made believe (by reason of his haughty humour and high spirit) that his adverse party seeks him: And truly, the Hoghen Moghen, (be it spoken without offence) were so well acquainted with their own strength, as that they would hardly have been induced to yield unto a parley with the Spaniards, had they not been made to believe that Speck-John (as they call the Spaniard) was out of breath; and were glad to lay their heads, as it were, on the block: To instance herein, I shall only allege the effects of some words, which unfortunately were uttered by the Chancellor of Brabant, Peckius, in a Speech which he had intended to make unto the General States, at the expiration of their twelve years' Truce; when as he only said thus, viz. That it was conceived, those States had as then had time enough to bethink themselves, whether or no, it were not fit for them to reunite themselves with the King of Spain. At which very words, the Assembly risen, interrupted his speech, and rejected the Treaty; Declaring unto the said Peckius, that all the favour they could show unto him, was to save him from the Turff-wives rage at Delft, as he passed through that place in his journey homewards.  Kit. 
According unto your computation therefore, the Hoghen Moghen and English must needs agree; for you would as I perceive have the one to offer fair, and the other to take less, and thereby gull all the firebrands whatsoever: a match it must needs be to your thinking, but say you so? why as then for all this the Hollanders will be too hard for the English howsoever.  Boul. 
Less of your brags, I pray.  Kit. 
What I urge stands with common sense and reason, and I will make it good.  Boul. 
I shall laugh at that hearty.  Kit. 
They may agree, that I grant you; and remain in possession of Esau's Pottage to boot: and yet nevertheless the English shall never attain unto those advantages which the Hollanders possess.  Boul. 
I should wonder if you could clear me that point?  Kit. 
I shall easily do it, and though I may prove to be very plain with you; yet you shall find that I shall strike home to the marrow: therefore do but observe what I shall relate unto you, viz. The old Princes of Orange, William, Maurice, and Frederick Hendrick, (that complete number of admirable Patriots) who having taken a survey of the united States General affairs, pitched at first on those expedients, whereby they might make them Potent, Rich, and Secure for ever; which they effected, and gained the people's love to boot: First, by their settling of the public Security, or Faith; and secondly, by the reducing of the value of moneys; and in this manner they secured themselves, and attracted all Nations; I say, all Nations, and not so only, but their Substances and Stocks to boot. Moreover, they settled a Record Office, whereby they prevented all kind of cheats and deceits whatsoever, either in Sales, Transactions, or Mortgages, and whereby they also got in a little space of time many millions of pounds in ready moneys, as also a considerable yearly revenue, and the love of all men. They permitted Liberty of Conscience, the contraries whereof lost the King of Spain those said Province. They established Banks of Loan, and of Sale, whereby all needy persons were relieved; they thereby abolished and extirpated all Lombard's and Jewish Brokers, who (as the English Usurers do) take 30, 40, and more per Cent. Use, and who gave such excessive rates for money, as that none could be had at any reasonable condition. They established a Bank of payment, whereby the credits of all Negotiants was raised. They imposed easy customs on all manner of Importations and Exportations by Foreigners; like unto the French, who permitted strangers to export their Salt for eight shillings the Bushel, when as the Natives pay four pounds sterling for the same. And by these means they reduced the valuation of moneys, and its Use unto 3, and 4, per Cent. whereby they got such a vast stock of moneys, as that they were able to buy and sell all kind of Wares at far better rates then any other Nations could do. And these are the main causes, why the English, nor any other Nation whatsoever, shall not be able to outvie them, by reason that they are not in a capacity to equal them therein: Besides, their thriftiness in manning their ships with a less number of men than others, & also their more sparingness in Diet. And as by these courses they have made themselves potent, rich, and secure: so have they also from time to time made use of several main advantages, which were not so much reflected on by others; nay, which is worse, wilfully neglected: Ha! Dunkirk, Ha! Hollanders and French, for having gotten the hand of the English in the Cloth commodity? And have they not made all Nations to be even doting on their Clothes: As for Fuller's Earth, alas they want not that neither!  Boul. 
And what have you else to say, I pray?  Kit. 
Why? nought. save that Dunkirk that same Dunkirk will pay the English home one day.  Boul. 
I profess unto you, I am grieved to see you so much mistaken, and so exorbitantly to continue your brags in this kind; and since they are merely such, I shall take a little further pains to undeceive you hereon; for that you must needs take notice how that the Commonwealth of England both can, and will at their own conveniency settle all such establishments, as the Hollanders have made use off; besides many others which may stand with the good and honour of the English Nation.  Kit. 
I, but when I pray? Hath there not been a Bill discoursed of long since for the establishing of a Record-office, and have any of the Propounders ever as yet acquainted the Parliament with the many millions of pounds, which will thereby accrue within the very first six week's time of its erectment, together with the love, ease and applause of the People; besides, one hundred and forty thousand pounds sterling yearly revenue to boot? True it is, that something hath been spoken of small Fees unto Clarks, but what is that to the State? Moreover what course hath there been all this while taken against the transporting of Fullers-earth? as if a public theft were not as punishable by death as a particular robbery?  Boul. 
These things its true touch to the quick, so likewise need you not to fear but that they will be heeded.  Kit. 
I, but what say you on the particular of Dunkirk?  Boul. 
I profess unto you, that I have not said half of that which lieth on my heart, nor the least part of that which is even at my tongue's end.  Kit. 
I see you would fain shift off the satisfying of me on the Cloth-trade, and on the particular of Dunkirk.  Boul. 
There is an expedient in reserve, whereby the Cloath-trade may be made more worth unto the English, than the golden mines are to the King of Spain; and the resolves thereon may be of as great a consequence as any thing that hath as yet been debated; And as for Dunkirk, were there many such like, they might be kerbed, nay gained: but I shall skip over Dunkirk, and tell you that whensoever the English Company shall be weary of Rotterdam, it may be settled at Bridges; and hereon I could tell you more of my thoughts, were it not a secret. And that you may judge how considerable a bargain it will be for any man to be possessed of the Town of Dunkirk; besides, what I have told you of stopping up of its Port; you must know, that whosoever shall be master thereof, the same town and themselves may be called upon for the payment of seven millions of pounds, which are due unto the English Nation, the said Town being one of the Cautionaries which stands bound for the said Debt; and thus, I think, I have satisfied to the purpose.  Kit. 
I, now you say something! and here me thinks you tell me several considerable particulars all at a clap; as the settling of a Cloth-staple at Bridges, the stopping up of the Port of Dunkirk, and the demanding of seven millions of pounds; now all these will serve to curb and vex parties.  Boul. 
Thou art soon moved to thy teastish humour I see.  Kit. 
Not so neither; but I would have such men as will not do things by fair means, be wrought upon; by a, You shall do it: yet howsoever those seven million of pounds make a pleasing noise in my ears: why should there not a Hue and Cry be made after them? for that in case they can be found out; as then many ill husband soldiers, would not be so overhasty as they are to sell their Debenters at four shillings in the pound: But I pray you, doth not this savour of the Queen of Fairy's story? and is there such a thing in rerum natura as the Flanders Debt? is it not a fair nights-dream?  Boul. 
I can assure you thus much of it; that when as I passed of late through the netherlands, I was told, how that there were those, who had proffered unto Sir Balthasar Gerbier (the late King of England's Resident in those parts) no less than thirty thousand pounds for a gratuity, only to move the said King to have granted a favourable Composition unto the Debtors, for the total.  Kit. 
What say you man? Was there thirty thousand pounds proffered unto him; and had not that Resident learned the Bribing trade, which was so rife in that age? And is there not at present a wise man for himself (among such as may be able to prosecute the Debtors) who can obtain leave from the State of England to be employed in such a fair business? Why, what is become of that Resident? Can he not speak? Can he not be wished to discover unto a fit Person how those monies may be come by? And by what means a nimble Lad might compass that Gratuity? Truly, this particular seems to be a Riddle unto me; Nor can I find any impediment, why this State should not look after the same? What remarkable cause can there be to let it lie dormant? Is it not a Debt for Monies which were Lent? are there not good Bonds exstant for the same? And hath not the Debt been formerly claimed? Nay, are there not several considerable Persons in England, as well of the Gentry as among the Merchants, who have sustained great losses both by Sea and Land, by the Spanish Subjects? And cannot these be so wise to themselves, as to obtain that the State of England might permit them to endeavour the said Debts recovery? And to crave the benefit of the Parliaments Act; which alloweth a third part of concealed Debts; and the which might serve towards their reimbursments? Is there not a Nimble Clerk that hath Ears and Eyes that way? Truly, it passeth my understanding that such a considerable thing should lie dormant: Nor can I persuade myself that the English Nation should be more Spaniolized now, than they were in Fistolo Gundamor's days; but grant they were, why should they not demand their own due? For my part, were I an English man, I would have all the World to know, that it's not in this age, as it was formerly; when as a Venetian Ambassador returning from the English Court homewards, and meeting his Successor, who was making thither; he gave him this advice, how that he was not to expect to find any English men in that Court; but to the contrary, Spaniards, French, Dutch, and an unexpressible number of such like Factionaries: And truly since thou hast awakened me by the sound of those seven Millions of pounds, I would have the Don Diego's put to it rounly, and pay they should with a vengeance.  Boul. 
Fie upon thee; thou wouldst still have me to be quarrelsome? now with these, then with the others: fie thou knowest it is not my disposition.  Kit. 
Thou art mightily mistaken in me, Man, quarrel sayest thou; Thinkest thou that I am ignorant of the Spanish Maxim, and of their saying, viz. que paralas conveniencias se hazen loscosas: Thou full well knowest how thou didst put me beyond my Bias, when as I discussed the matter between the English and the Dutch; and finally how thou wroughtest me into a well liking of the Dutch Ambassabours coming for England; and how that we concluded: that they will do better to strike the Nail on the head by a good agreement; and in this manner thou hast made me a Convert in that regard  
But dost thou all this while think that I can be taken with lindas Reverentias'; or with smooth words? do but observe their own saying, Palabras y plumas elviento las lleba. And have they not by words shifted off the administering of Justice for the blood of a Gentleman who was employed by the State? and have they not forsooth shifted it off upon their Sancta Inquisition? which would torment them even in purgatory (as they suppose) should they not maintain their Sanctuaries Prerogative.  Boul. 
But all this while I wonder what harm the Spaniards have done unto thee.  Kit. 
Truly none at all: Nor do I bear them any particular grudge; a man may, I hap, discourse freely must it needs be confessed that there are many gallant men amongst them: their King is a brave Prince, and I do highly esteem that Nation: But experience hath taught such men as delight in observations to distinguish betwixt those things which are fit, and others which are not warrantable; Besides there are divers of my acquaintance whom they have most egregiously and abominably abused.  Boul. 
Well, I must needs tell thee in one word, how that (although I have been much pleased all this while with thy discourse) thou art mightily mistaken.  Kit. 
Wherein I pray?  Boul. 
By reason thou conceivest the Spaniards are to be called upon, for the seven millions of pounds ; when as the inhabitants of Brabant, Flanders, Artois and Henault are the Debtors; For that the money was lent unto them in Queen Elizabeth's time; since which those States and People have made it their particular Debt.  Kit. 
Nay, and if the case stands so; as than I have sundry expedients in my Budget, to procure satisfaction thereon, and that without any brags at all.  Boul. 
I but I pray you; what were those horrid and abominable abuses, which thy acquaintance and friends have sustained by the Spanish subjects?  Kit. 
Why, even as many as the millions of pounds; O that ye had seen the miseries which a world of English have suffered in the Spanish and Fleming Dungeons, after their ships and goods were detained from them:  Boul. 
Do they not observe the Articles of Peace?  Kit. 
What talk you of Article of Peace? they were special ones indeed.  Boul. 
Why sayest thou so? were they not contrived by wise and judicious men? and were they not sworn too on the Gospel?  Kit. 
Now talkest thou most like a Ninnihammer, didst thou never hear who was the contriver of those Articles? why, marry i'll tell thee: The once Conde Duca d'olyvare, the Spanish King's favourite; and one who was more Spaniolized than a Castillion Vieso; viz. Francis Cottington; who by his fair contrivance of some part of the said Treaty; did cut the Throats of sundry English Negotiants and sea-faring-men.  Boul. 
In what manner I pray?  Kit. 
Why if we were not on so short a journey; I could tell thee a thousand things herein; but I perceive we are near the landsend.  Kit. 
However continue thy discourse as long as we are aboard.  Kit. 
In a word therefore (mark well what I say) there is nothing so sure as that in case the Commonwealth of England doth not oblige the Spaniards to reform and amend the said Articles of Peace, the many bleeding hearts of a great number of good English men, will not conceive their condition to be better in these times, than they formerly were: I mean such as have by their Traffic; for that I have seen their intolerable and innumerable greevances.  Boul. 
Can you exemplify herein?  Kit. 
Marry that I can, and it's that the Spanish and the Flemish (which were wont to be called the pyrating Dunkirks) do use a game called have at all; and for the most part do (as the Italian Robbers, who first kill a man, and then pick his pockets) imprison, torture and slay those they light on; and then make sale of their ships and goods.  Boul. 
But what said the Merchants hereunto? and those who were Copertners in the Ships ladings?  Kit. 
Why, this was their course, to the Admiralty Courts they went, first to that of Dunkirk, next from that of Pontius they are sent up to Pilate at Brussels; where for the most part they are sure to be condemned: for that those Grandees, the Governors of Towns, and the most eminent'st men in those parts, have their shares in the Booty; being so interest adventuring Pirates, (as the Baron of Wakken was,) in so much as that its an impossibility for any English men to be righted there.  Boul. 
Tell me, I pray, wherein all this while the Treaty of Peace is defective?  Kit. 
In several particulars, which I could specify in; and yet I must be brief; although there might be much said hereon, had we time; to instance in one, And it is the 25. Article of that Treaty, which runs thus, viz. That if during this peace, any thing be attempted, or done, by the Subjects of either; the attemptors and such as offend therein, shall be only punished and not others.  Boul. 
Why, this seems to be just and consonant to the word of God.  Kit. 
You should say, answerable to the Cottingtonian law-giver's meaning, which by your leave, I shall make appear thus, It is impossible for any men especially the English, to be indemnized by the attemptors or offenders, by way of justice; for as I told you before, the several Grandees have a share therein; besides, the impossibility for an English man who is wronged in the Indies, and those remote parts, to obtain any satisfaction at all, from those diminutive Vice-gerents, whose will is a law, and whose interest is their Mammon: Nor can these wilful Pirates be hindered in their pursuance of the English even into the very Ports of the Land. Of these impossibilities to obtain justice, Cottington was not in any wise ignorant; and therefore his contriving of such an Article, was in favour of the Spaniards, whose Pensioner he then was, and it's no wonder, he is still so.  Boul. 
And if so be, the Spanish and Flemish Seamen of War (or any others, under what pretence soever they may be set forth) do so egregiously abuse the English, and that there is no justice to be had; besides, that the substance of many Widows and Orphans (who have lost their Husbands and Fathers; together with their Ships and Goods, as abovesaid) hath been exhausted in the like fruitless pursuances: It therefore seems that the granting of Letters of Mart, is the shortest way.  Kit. 
This may prove to be as bad a remedy as the evil itself; for that in the first place, those who intent to man out Ships on such an expedition, must be at  charges; secondly, they run the hazard of a lost Voyage; thirdly, it's a question, whether that which they take will countervail the cost, when as the charges are deducted. Moreover, the Owners may pretend, that its a hard case to have their Ships and Goods taken, when as they have not done the wrong; And what would not several soldiers think hereof? when as very often for a punctilio between Princes, whole Countries are laid waste, Cities, Towns and Villages are reduced to ashes, both old and young put to the Sword; Virgins and even Girls ravished, with many the like cruelties.  Boul. 
As than me thinks it might prove a very fit expedient to seize on the Ships and Goods of such a Nation, whereby the English may (in so high a nature) have been prejudiced, and the which may be effected in the very Ports of England, and even in the Merchant's Warehouses.  Kit. 
I marry, why, now thou speakest common sense, for it was the same course which Queen Elizabeth took; and whereby she got the love of the people; and caused herself to be feared by all Nations. Other States have done the like on the same occasions. The righting of subjects being a Maxim of State, which is not to be gainsaid; and which the Spaniards themselves do not deny, but to the contrary they have confessed, and must avouch the same.  
That whereas it is the public Faith; which doth make good reciprocal Bonds; so can there not be a true and firm peace, save upon such just and inviolable principles, as that by virtue of them, every particular subject may be righted; for that otherways, a Peace would be far more dangerous than open war; during which, parties can better stand upon their guards, then in the time of a professed friendship.  Boul. 
I do remember several examples, of what I have alleged; when as Foreigners have on the like occasions seized on the Englishships and goods within their jurisdictions.  Kit. 
You may easily remember them, for that they are of a very fresh date; even since the last Parliament of England hath been assembled.  Boul. 
Doubtless you mean, one Peter le Duke, who being authorized by the French Council of State, to arrest such ships and goods, as belonged to the English Subjects in obedience to the Parliament; by Virtue of which order, the said le Duke did force open the English Merchants Counting-houses at Saint Malos.  Kit. 
So likewise do I remember, how that the King of Denmark, did in the year 1643. seize on a ship belonging to the English Merchants Adventures, as it past Gluckstadt on the river of Elbe, and the which was bound for Hamborough; as also four other ships belonging to the East Land company, as they passed the Sound: All which ships together with their ladeings were confiscated, without any suit at all in the Admiralty Court. And this ceisure was undergone by the said King of Denmark; because the Parliaments ships had taken a Denmark ship called the Christian Ark.  
Nay the Spaniards themselves have done and daily do more than what is above specified; for that they seize on such ships as chance to be in the company (by mere accident, and not having any relation at all to them) of such others on which the said Spaniards pretend to have a right; and to instance herein, we shall only allege Captain Davis and Freeman's case, who were lately abused in the like manner by the Spaniards. Moreover as there are an infinite number of such like examples, so doth it behoove those, whom the great Judge of Heaven and Earth hath hath placed in authority; to remember (on such occasions) when as those who live under their obedience are wronged; and that its impossible for them to be otherwise redressed; To do them justice in the like manner as is before specified: unless they expect that the old woman's ghost (who stopped Adrian the Emperor in his way, saying, Cease to be, or do Justice) should cry in their Ears, Do Justice to those that are true unto you, or Take not upon you that function which the Lord hath permitted you to exercise. And thus I shall conclude with the last part of that which is to be said on a business of this nature, viz. That whensoever a State is in possession of any ships, goods, or monies, appertaining unto the Subjects of any Nation, from whom they may have received an injury; The best and speediest way to right their own Subjects so offended, and endamaged; is to dispose of those said ships, goods, and moneys unto them; and to leave it unto that Prince, whose Subjects have wronged the others, to satisfy his said Subjects, which committed the said outrage, out of those specialties, ships, goods, and monies, as the said Prince may be in possession of: (by them so unjustly taken.) And thus there is an end of an old Song.  
Let us therefore hasten to shore, and there observe whether the Hoghen Moghen Ambassadors will agree; and thereby make good their old saying, viz. Houdt vast end beleight; or whether they are come over in such a Crafty way as the late marquis of Spinola was used to practise (as aforesaid) and whereby he overreached such men as were subject to be drawn in by smooth speeches; when as he said, Entretenemos à essa platica; although he had no mind to conclude any thing at all; only out of a subtle vein, to gain time; according to the Italian saying, Per arte eper ingano, si passa la mitta del Anno etc. Nor can it be believed that they intent to make use of the French Policy, viz. If fait bonpescher en eau trouble, But rather that both parties will be just and wise, and observe the saying, That the greatest Craft is to have none at all, etc.  
FINIS   

The Second Part, OF THE Holland-Sea-Cabbin-Dialogue; CONSISTING, In a sharp dispute between a stout English Sea Captain, a Dutch Merchant, and a Masty Freeze-lander; who in his last coming over from Holland, betrothed himself under the Decks unto Goody Drigle-Drag-taile; Whose Hogs at his landing he sold to buy himself a gaudy Coat, wherewithal he at present Swaggers on the Old Exchange.  
Whereunto there is added, Gooddy- Drigle-Drag-tailes, pitiful lamentation to Wabbity Clonters, and Jannety Stronts, her Gossip's; all of them lately come from Holland by the Fleet which was conceived to be in sight of Portsmouth.  
LONDON, Printed by T. M. 1652.   

The Second Part of the Hollanders Sea-Cabbin-Dialogue.  Mer. 
WHo of us three, I pray, shall prove himself to be the wisest? and reflect on a Gig, which was acted by the Harlemmers Rhetoricians: Whenas a single man appearing on the stage, uttered his mind in this sense; viz. Three and five is nine, which he continually reiterated as he walked up and down; a while after, a merry Grig starts forth at the other end of the Stage, and saith thus; To meddle with nothing, is best; and these two might happily have remained uninterrupted till this very day, had not a third party interposed; & hearing the first man's note, that three and five was nine; he endeavoured to persuade him, that he was in an error; for that to all men's knowledge, three and five were but eight: At which the five and third man being displeased, and falling into a rage, seeing himself thus abruptly controlled, he gave the other (who endeavoured to rectify him) a sound box on the Ear, saying, that's nine with a vengeance, at which our third party capered to some tune laughing hearty and repeating his first lesson viz. To meddle with nothing is best; Whereas the affirming party was sufficientiy ashamed, and the assembly not a little pleased: As also all busy bodies, partly instructed; carrying so emphatical a lesson away with them, viz. How that, to meddle with nothing, was the best and safest way.  Cap. 
Thou hintest very well; and if so be that Meddle with all-party, had performed his part on the Old Exchange: Marry as then, he would have learned more wisdom, then to spread brags of the buying of Dunkirk, and all the Westphalia bacon: As if we English were children, and to be scared by such a mock-show, and could not make fireships as well as our neighbours: nay, as if we wanted Spades and Pick-axes, to level your Hontsbosch, your Cadykes, and your Slapers; and to make the Sea overrun all thy Country.  Mer. 
Nay brother, that's such another brag as was lately vented in a Beer-sellar, amongst such mad Sea-blades as thou art.  Cap. 
I would have you know, that we Sea-Captains are as wise as Moses was, and not at all so foolish as Pharaoh: For that he passed the Sea, and tasted not a drop of it: But Pharaoh and his drunken crew were so mad as to drink their bellies so full on't, as that they all kicked up their heels. And though we trade on the water, yet we drink good wine: I would have you to know that we are rational men, as well as others; and do understand ourselves in such a manner as shall appear unto all the world. And as for the particular of Beer drunkards, apply that to your own country men; especially, to the nasty Frieze, who would not resolve on the saving of th●ir souls, their lands, lives, and liberties, when as William of Nassau represented unto them the distressed estate, wherein their Countrymen were (before their attaining to be the mighty Kas Copers, from Kas knee-lessen, dry brochelde Necus Schipper:) until they had first drunk with him, and permitted them to salute his wife the Princess, opsie-Freeze, by a slovenly great bearded fellow: And as then, it was William, thou art a good fellow; they stroked him on the shoulders, and told him they would make a man of him; telling him thus, Willem, Willem, wy sullen een man van uw maken, so ghy wilt deughen: Englished thus, William, William, we will make a man of thee, so thou wilt prove honest: I marry, would they; and I marry as then should he have moneys. And as then John van old Barnavault, with two others of the brethren lineally descended from such Schoomakers and Brewers, as never were acquainted with the wearing of a pair of Cuffs; and these forsooth, were sent over to the great and matchless Queen Elizabeth; who at first dash gave them a flat denial; telling them that she could not with a safe Conscience assist Rebels, such as were the subjects of a King, her dear brother; unto whom she was particularly obliged; concluding with a Quere, how they could imagine, that she should suffer the bodies of her Noble English men to be their stop dykes; and for the which they might perchance one day pay them with ingratitude: A thing which is but too much practised now a days, by such as have been obliged above reason. Whereupon Barnavalt, (who had a groats worth of Pedantical broken latin in his pouch I should say Rhetoric Though it was a little polished over in Erasmus stile) why as then he could crouch, stoop, fawn, and flatter in this manner; (returning the Queen this answer;) To your sacred Majesty, we have made our addresses, as to a dear Mother, we like little children imploring for Milk; and if so be our fate should be such as to be denied, why as then we must starve; and in the like terms they moved that good Queen to compassion, the which it seems God would permit: And she answered them that they should not only have milk from her royal breasts, but even the very last drop of her blood; and how is this, I pray, repaied? Why marry, even by the blood of our true English at Amboyna; and whether heaven should not send down to know whether it be so or no; and do according unto the cry which is lately gone up from Portsmouth? Let all the world judge; and likewise let Heaven judge? whether all the water which might over-whelm thy ingrateful soil (by the piercing, as aforesaid, of thy dikes, the Hontsbosch; the Slapers, Cadikes, and the like) might be capable to wash off so great a guilt.  Freeze. 
Sirrah Captain, if thou wilt drink with us; up sin Frieze, we will make thee an Hornest-man.  Capt. 
Right, this is even as I said afore of William Prince of Orange.  Freeze. 
Sirrah Captain, I would have thee to know, that I have a brave green Cheese, coloured by good sheep's dung; and a good pickle Herring: Nay better than all this, I have a couple of lusty freeze Mares to bestow upon thee, toth' end that if so be thou art furious enough, thou mayst Cover them thyself, and thou mayst term their Foals Beschie: nay Elizabeth, if thou be'st as plain as we are, for so we call our Mares; ha', ha', Bessie, ha' with a whip we make them fly, faster than Ship sails when the wind blows at the highest, and though you make all your sails.  Capt. 
Why how now Good man Furcoat, and Furcap? sirrah sirrah say you? thou that walkest on the Exchange, and struttest even as if the present being of the Hogen Moghens Ambassadors amongst us, did make thy Dice to run naught but Sisse, Cinke; whereas thou art but a mere Deuce (Dunce I should say) nay a mere Ass, and a Fool in Grain.  Dribled. 
Truly sir Captain, he hath made a Fool of me indeed; alas, I can assure you 'twas my Sow, and Pigs that paid for this brave Coat, and for his ranting in lieu whereof, I now hear by Jannetie Stronts, and Wabbetie Clonters reports, that we must all return from whence we came; and that which is worse, we must return not half so wise as we were, for that we thought we should have been coupled.  Jan. Stronts. 
Thou shouldest rather say, be married together, that so the state of Holland might have been the Wife, and the Commonwealth of England the Husband, and that by so lovely a copulation, they might not only have produced Herrings, but Whales, to make good store of Oil for our cloth; for that you must know we have an art to make cloth far better than yours? and the Mounfiers, the Signiors, the great Min-Heeres, are all of them in love with our cloth; besides we know how to make Fools of you English, by getting away your Fuller's Earth: Moreover we have another expedient (though it lies Dormant) and the which we will put on foot with speck John, the Don Diegos; for that we are great comrades at present; although it's not unlikely, but that they should gladly see us fall foul, and take one another by the throat, that so they might have an opportunity to have at us again.  Freeze. 
So ho, goodly Driggle-Draggle-tayle, have a care of thy troffe, for that thy Hogs and Pigs are gone.  Jan. Stronts. 
Hark I pray how this surly stallion snarls? marry come up, this would be a hot match, and a fair copulation indeed.  Freeze. 
Why? that we shall, and agree in spite of all the Firebrands in the World; and now I will take a turn amongst the English, since I see my walking amongst my own Countrymen is carped at; am I not a free borne Man? shall there not be free quarter between us Captain? I pray you tell me; shall we rake coals out of the ashes? give me leave Captain, we are all Adam and Eves Sons; we are of one and the self same Religion, take my word for it, such as would have us to fall foul; do not mind any good to either of us; still I say, a green Cheese thou shalt have, and a Mare to boot: Nay thou shalt ride me if thou whilst, and my goody Driggle Draggle tail too, for I must plainly tell you, it was but a Match under the Decks.  Capt. 
How now sirrah? I tell thee, I scorn thee, thy Generation, thy Nation, thy Coat, thy Cheese, thy Mares; and fare more thy infamous goody driggle-draggle-tayle bitches.  Marc. 
Good sir Captain, let us talk like Brothers.  Capt. 
Brother? I scorn thy Motion, Brothers sayest thou? what Brothers? Cain and Abel were Brothers; and the Hollanders may happily prove to be the Slayers of Abel.  Frieze 
Well said brave Captain, still you grant us to be the elder brother.  Mer. 
Pray sir Captain, let us talk as brothers, in him who hath made us so.  Capt. 
If you were Christians, that were somewhat; but you seem to be worse than Jews and Devils  Mer. 
Good Captain, although we were what you suppose us to be; yet however let us talk like brothers; let me entreat you to pass by this S. Christopher's Hircanum; Let us I pray you discuss and ponder the case; and I pray you what is it that raises the storm, save your abundance of matter: I perceive you are incensed. First, by your remembering the barbarous proceed of a company of drunken knaves, who were on the other side of the world, too fare from their Masters to have their hands held from abusing of the English: were not, I pray you, the Holland Ambassadors two years together dancing an attendance on the late two Kings pleasures, proffering their Majesties and the Nation satisfaction? Shall a wrong done by a company of knaves, during the reigns of foreigners, who are dead and forgotten, be so much resented by those, who will not acknowledge them nor theirs, although they should come on earth again? besides, the wrong which was acted, was happily done against such, who if they were alive might perchance not be in a possibility of deserving this Commonwealth's justice or favour: For that it may be they might have proved arch-malignants. And grant all this were not so, yet what shall we say? They are gone and cannot be recalled▪ and if satisfaction must be given for blood, then let us remember the freegrace, which our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ hath offered to all mankind; rather then to call upon the ancient laws, which seem to be the summit of Rigour, as life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; And if this must needs be urged; would it not prove a piece of high injustice, if so be for the striking out of one tooth of a man's head, that hath his double range of teeth complete, the tooth of the offender should be plucked out, although he had but one in his head; certainly you would judge this to be a great deal of cruelty. Amboyna business, I grant you must be cleared; the right of the English Seas must be acknowledged; for that is most notorious, how that when as King Philip the second of Spain, was married to Queen Mary, yet could he not claim any Prerogative in the English Seas, in the behalf of his Subjects: Ferdinando Tursis its true did fish in the English Seas, but it was on a Licence for 22. years, Signed by Queen Mary, as well as by Philip the second. But you will say, what other injuries have there been done you? Why, such things as are both possible and convenient must be effected, to which purpose we conceive the Ambassadors are come over, accompanied with such orders as may conduce thereunto.  Capt. 
I marry, they are come indeed, for what I pray? to outbrave us with a Fleet, and to kill the good People? I must needs tell you that these are not times, wherein a Cat might not look upon a King; for that as now a King (undisguised) dares not look upon an English Cat; nay, not so much as on a dead Cat; nay, not so much as on Tom Whittingtons' Cat, which is hung up for a Sign: And must they forsooth, come with a Fleet on our coast? O, were there not a prohibition on the importation of Oaths by Hollanders as well as by English, why I could even swear and swagger at this horrid abuse.  Mer. 
Good brothers, let me entreat you to give way to the exportation of Oaths by strangers, although they should not pay any custom at all for it.  Cap. 
I will have thee to know (and all the world to boot) that we can set out two hundred Men of War; and by our dividing of them into four fleets, we shall be able to master the Seas; and so we shall not need to think on such utterances, as the cutting of dikes, which we scorn, and abhor the thoughts thereof; being not so over-presumptuous as to contradict the Lords Decree, by making a second Flood. For that all the Nations of the earth shall find us to be answerable to the Etymology of our name, viz. Angelical. That which is fair and just must be expected from us; we will do as we would be done by; amicable in times of Peace; and fair quarter if it must needs come to a War: and thus much may suffice for the principal. But as for accessaries, I pray thee tell me, good sir Merchant, canst thou persuade thyself, that we Sea-Captains, and such others of us as do resent the bloodsheddings of our countrymen, of our brethren and friends, can be dissuaded from the begging of our Rulers (even on our knees) that we may have liberty to put to Sea: You must know that the whole Nation hath but one tongue, and one heart in this regard; can we not at our ease take all the Merchandises wherewith the Holland ships are fraughted? Need our English men venture one groat in Merchandises? Doth England consist in Harlemmer meres? In Zuyder Seas? and in Rivers? Your country men have no Lands nor Parcks; Do but cut off their Traffic, and as then God be with you, ingrateful Generation; And all this while you would have us repeal an Act: I marry, an Act of Parliament: which must be as inviolable, as the decrees of the Parthians and Medes.  
And moreover it seems by your discourse, that you would feign have us to believe, that the Parliament hath been misinformed by some self interessed Men, who may perchance be accused of some secret Monopoly; and the which may tend to the ruin of a number of Merchants, Artists, and Tradesmen.  Merch. 
If I do not prove it to be so, nay if I make it not appear unto you, that it is one of the greatest Monopolies that ever was hatched against this Nation, as then call me Fool, Nitty-breech, Ninnihammer, Cocks-cumbe, or any thing what thou wilt.  Cap. 
Say you so? Why, I do very much question whether thou wilt not prove to be the Actor, who troubled himself to maintain that five and three were but eight; and that forgetting the merry Grigs Axiom, viz. To meddle with nothing is best: thou at length mayst chance to get a sound box on the Ear for thy pains.  Mer. 
Hold there sir Captain; you may be mistaken, for that our discourse infers no consequences.  Cap. 
However, I know thou art a Penman, and hast the liberty and prerogative of thy Countinghouse; and as thou wilt'st not transgress the Law of Nations, so will not I please myself, by asserting unto that which is before mentioned, viz. that five and three are nine: yet however I shall be content to hear what thou canst say, against that unquestionable truth: How that the Act which prohibits the Importation by strangers, of such Commodities as are not of their Country's growth, tendeth to the advantage of our Negotiations, and to the main curtailing of all Foreigners, especially of the Hollanders, who (had not this been) would not have been so overhasty, as to harp upon that string.  Merch. 
Why truly, let me tell you, it may be the States of Holland have been made to understand, that the said Act was rather published in a threatening manner then otherways; and the which I would have you know, no power in the World could ever yet brook; for that every Cock (although his feathers be never so Hoary) conceives himself to be Master on his own Dunghill: so likewise know you the French Proverb, Amoretta seignieuri, n'endure point de company: although it's granted, that comparisons do for the most part halt, and offend: wherefore we shall proceed to the point, and that we may enjoy ourselves with the better Freedom, let us ere we enter on our discourse, turn home-wards these homely Gossips, goody Driggle Draggletail, Wabbetie Clonters, and Jannitie Stronts, who seem to be alarmed by the noise of a breach; and as for the plain down right Freeze-Lander, we will leave him to take a walk, and air himself, whilst we, (laying aside all particular interests and passions, especially that kill and destroying humour; for that you must needs grant, when men have fought it out to the last; yet must they (after many losses on both sides) come to an agreement at last, go on with our discourse.  Capt. 
I but yonder comes our importunate Freeze-Lander again; how shall we shift him?  Freeze. 
And why shift me sirrah Captain? I would have thee know that now I have taken a turn round the Exchange; I am resolved to interrupt the Gentleman that spoke last, and also to tell thee to thy face, that thou art either a great Imposture, or mightily mistaken, as touching the Sea proceed; for that it will be proved, h●w that the Hollanders my compatriots have been first set upon, and most Egregiously abused, which truth, shall be made good by substantial proofs, and well grounded evidences, and the which our Ambassadors will not be backwards to represent. And how that the English have committed such spoils and outrages upon us, as are not to be paralleled; For is it not public, how that one English man of War, who set forth with a Letter of Licence (or Mart as you may call it) hath taken more than thirty Holland Merchant men; and I pray you how can this stand before God and Men? that by reason of a particular pretence, a whole Nation should suffer so general a damage: Moreover was it ever heard of, that Sovereigns and States do break, on the occasion of every particular persons falling foul? that would be just as if Neighbours should set each others Houses on fire, when as their Servants or Domestics chance to disagree.  
And as to thy former question, whether the Hollanders were not worse than Jew's? what an unhandsome language is that? and how injurous? since all the world knows them to be honest plain dealing men, that their word is more binding then all the English Lawyers clauses, for, too, and, and which they insert in their Beds-sheets like Indentures, deeds and covenants: The Hollanders you must know mean right to the English; and love them so well, as that they offer to join with the English Nation against any party that shall not keep a fair correspondency with them: Now that it stands with the interest of the Enlish Nation, to keep a good quarter with the Hollanders, hath been proved by twenty undeniable Arguments.  
Besides who can gainsay, but that they are Christians? Nor do they (as it is scandalously surmised) profane the Lord's day; nor in the least omit his service: have they not set a deep forfeiture on any person that shall be found to sell any thing on the Sabbath day? And sure I am, that amongst them, thou shalt not see such a spectacle as Paul's Church is in, at present; for that they would either pull it down, or build it up again; to the end that strangers should not have occasion to question their Christian profession. Therefore sirrah Captain let me advise thee to leave thy crackings, quacking, and Fulminations, as also thy grinning at my Coat, the which I must tell you, is lined with a good Fur: For though I do sometimes talk of a green Cheese, and of Freezeland Mares; yet am I of such a constitution, as not to blush at any Nicknames of Butterbox, Fleming, or the like; to which I have a reply at hand, and that in Rhyme too; For that it is granted we do love Butter, and we do find it to be good, according to the saying; Buttertie voor, en buttertie naer, do't E'en men's leven hondert jaer; which I will thus english you, Butter before meals, and after repast, will make a man hundreds of years outlast. In this sense it was, that Prince Maurice of Orange outvide the marquis of Spinolas Quibble, when as he feasted the said marquis during the Treaty of their Truce; and at which time the said marquis took an occasion to commend his Country, preferring it before Holland; inferring how that Lemons and Oranges did grow there twice a year, whereunto Prince Maurice said, that Holland must needs be a far better Country, for there Butter and Cheese did grow twice a day: and whereby his Soldiers were maintained fat and lusty; and thus much I think sir Captain may serve your turn, in lieu of our Butter-box-Flemming Title, which you so unhandsomely brand us with.  Capt. 
Be shrew my heart thou hast hit the Nail on the head now; in good sooth, I did always respect this Dromidary Freeze-lander to be some disquised rhetorician, purposely sent to walk about our Exchange, for to observe the dispositions of Men: you see how he hath wit at will, and can speak to the purpose too, most like a cunning Logician; however to the point Merchant I pray you.  Merch. 
Truly if it be so, as that the English Seamen have first abused the Hollanders, and that all the bruits which are come from Portsmouth, are not well grounded; why then it concerns every one of us to be circumspect and watchful, for to discover what Firebrands these are which go about to put strife between these two Nations, that so they may make the Devil keep a Holiday; nay that the Turks and Infidels may laugh at us, when as they shall see those, which profess one and the self same Religion, sheath their Swords in each others bowels, Cui bono? for that this question will certainly be made by all judicious honest and well meaning persons. And as then, will not all wise Statists conclude, that the great Devil of delusion hath blindfolded us, even in a time, when as our most assured intelligences do● confirm unto us from all parts, that our Adversaries do greatly combine against us; and that in case we do not hasten to prevent them, they will venture ere long to bang us by Bell, Book, and Candle, since it's too apparent that the Spaniards and French will be necessitated to agree; and their discontented Princes may as soon be moved to put up their Swords, which if they do, shall we not, I pray you be the object of their sa sa.  
But now to the point, in reference to that which is bruited concerning the instances which are said to be made for the Parliaments repealing of their Act, concerning the prohibiting of the Importation of Goods for strangers, and the which is supposed to be an unquestionable means to undo the Hollanders, and to increase the English Navigation: For (as some conceive) were it otherways, why as then should the Hollanders be so solicitous (as they are said to be) to have that Act repealed?  
Herein I shall ingeniously declare unto you, what I have learned by experience; and I shall prove it unto you, how that the prohibiting of Importation of Goods by strangers, will neither increase the English Navigation, nor undo the Hollanders; but on the contrary, it will be extreme prejudicial unto the English Nation.  
As for example, in the first place; The customs will be diminished by the half: for that strangers pay double customs; Nor will the waste of Commodities be greater than formerly, whosoever the Importers be.  
Secondly, Suppose that from London there be 40. 50. or 100 Ships more set forth to fetch Commodities; yet it must be granted, that there will be 500 Ships less employed from the other parts of England, Scotland, and Ireland, which were used to fetch all manners of Wares from Holland.  
For all the Sea Towns in England carry one or other Commodity constantly for Holland, Zealand, and other parts beyond the Sea, yea divers Towns, as York, Hull, and all the Countries, Yarmouth, Norwitch, and all that Country; and so likewise of Colchester, Sandwich, and other hath the chief Sale, and vent for their Commodities, and they go over not half freighted, yet commonly all of them return full of all manner of Commodities from thence: In stead whereof they must all return for the most part empty, because most of what they bring from thence, are Commodities of other Country's growths, whereby Trading will cease, Merchants will be constrained to stay for returns till their Commodities be sold, and their moneys received, for to make them over by exchange unto London, and return thither with their empty Ships: So likewise will they be constrained to return their moneys thither in such Commodities as they want, at much dearer Rates (even for their ready money) than they could have had them for in Holland upon time, and would have made two or three returns from Holland, before they can make one in this way.  
Besides that some wares are cheaper in Holland, then at the place where they grow, and where they are made. Moreover it will prove a great loss to all the Towns in England, that they may not take this opportunity, but must he forced to go further to buy Hemp; To Danzick for Corn, to Venice and Zant for Currens, run great hazards, especially in these times, (when as the Seas are beset with numbers of men of War) and loof many month's time to buy their wares dearer.  
Besides that all these Towns commonly save half of all their exchanges by the return of those Commodities, and many get the double of their exchanges by return of them.  
To all which, the experient in the Traffic do add this for a main Argument, of the undoing of the Trade of most of the Towns, in England. viz. In that all other Towns except London, can vent but a little Hemp, a little Iron, a little Spice, and so of a hundred things more, and therefore it's argued thus.  
That their Ships must needs lie still, because those small Towns cannot vent a Ships loading of each, or of two or three Commodities; nor have they money enough to have a stock lie in Holland, in Wares to be sold; and another stock to be sent to another place, to fetch home Commodities from so remote Country.  
That many Hollanders will go and dwell in Eastland, France, and other places; and so will bring home Hemp, Pitch, and Tar from Eastland; as also Wynes, and Salt from France and Spain, the which as it cannot be hindered, will enrich them, and impoverish England.  
And as experience tells, that as by this means all, or many Foreign Commodities will be the dearer in England, it will thereupon ensue that the English Nation will lose a great part of their Trade in foreign parts; and that the Hollanders will incorporate the same to themselves, by being also to sell cheaper than the English.  
And this for the particular reasons, whereby the Argument is made the more infallible, in that they have more Money than they can well bestow at three and four per cent. use; and that as they have more Water than Land, nor any Parks for to squander away their moneys on wild Deeres; nor do they marry unto Lords Sons, or Lady's Daughters, for that they say Sort by Sort: they therefore employ all their moneys upon Traffic, which they pursue with the more eagerness; all which considered, I would feign know by what means you intent to put them out of their Trade, or hinder them to buy and sell Commodities, at better Rates than the English can buy them, in those parts where they grow?  Capt. 
I do perceive by thy discourse, that thou hast mainly studied this Case.  Merch. 
I say nothing but what experience prompts me unto, whereby it may also be made good, how that the sole means, whereby the English Traffic may be increased, is to pitch upon such beneficiciall establishments, as are mentioned in the first part of the Sea-Cabbin Dialogue: for that by them moneys will be reduced to a lower value, and for the want whereof, the English will never be able to buy and sell at such easy Rates as the Hollanders do.  Capt. 
Me thinks thou speakest of particulars, which are mentioned in the first part of the Sea-Cabbin Dialogue; so likewise did I hear of other relations, concerning those advantages which wise Statists have ever found in the imposing of small Taxes on the importation and exportation of Merchandizes: when as the Merchants do not so much as think on the defrauding of the customs; nor on the deceiving of each other, by their sundry falsifications of Wares.  Merch. 
Hereon I must needs tell you, how that the bare Animosity and selfe-Interessedness of some persons, have oftentimes caused an interruption in the good correspondency between Nations. As for instance, The breach between Henry the seventh, and Charles Duke of Burgundy; with the Emperor Charles the fifth, between Queen Elizabeth and Philip the second; as also those with Spain and France, in the late King's time: when as at length, after the several Nations and Parties had suffered by the like interruptions, it was found requisite to order things again at any Rate; and thus defective and disadvantageous Treaties were patched up.  Capt. 
But I pray you? what is that which is whispered among curious men, touching several particulars which are contained (in a Remonstrance; and the which hath of late been proffered to the Parliament, wherein the Author saith, that in case there be not any reflection made on his proffers, he as then remains a free man borne; and in this states regards a second Colomba.  
The foregoing lines, of which conclusion makes mention of one Kelly in Queen Elizabeth's days, who (to the knowledge of several persons of credit in those days, especially old Mr. chaloner.) had the secret of producing of gold, and for the which all the world sought unto him.  
Now truly myself have been on some nooks and parts of the golden World, where I heard that there are certain particular men, who Trade in Gold, and bring it in lumps to the Spaniards, though they will not discover unto them how they come by it, and its thought that they have some particular mystery therein; nay even an Art of Production.  
And if I be not deceived, I was also told hereof, in the same leaf of the said Remonstrance, it is said that the Proponants secrets are of another guess extent and value then those, whereon Sir Water Rawley and Captain Cavendish, had fixed their designs.  
So likewise heard I another Captain say, that to his knowledge they were of another guess nature then Sir William waller's late design.  
Now in case this be so, why should we not look after it? for if we should not fall foul with the Hollanders, or with any other Nations (as the French who are already together by the Ears) why should we as then be so neglectful of our own good, as to suffer any other Nation to bereave us of such an advantage, and take it away even before our Noses? Besides are there not many Cavaliers abroad, who are able to scrape such a stock together, as may well serve for so ordinary an equipage, towards the effecting of the same; and whereof the Proponant speaks.  Merch. 
Truly as for my part, I conceive that some ill informed person may think, that a Reply approving of what you say, might savour of an Act, to take off the edge of your first fury against the Hollanders. But as for myself, I do speak sincerely, and really as I mean, and as I believe; and therefore I answer you thus in general terms.  
That the safest Maxims which this state may put in practice, are to procure unto the English Nation all the possible advantages that may be, especially towards the attaining unto all Christians, glorious and profitable goods: And whereas many of us do conceive that the Parliament reflects on providence; so do many of us believe, that the Officers of their Armies, especially their General the Lord Cromwell, intent the same; not that he reflects on that which Almanac-makers and other such like Pamphet-writers set forth; How that the Pope shall be pulled out of his Seat by him, by reason of a Lion which he bears in his Arms: But that the true Lion of Judah is he, who shall pull all those out of their Seats, who do possess them on false grounds. Now, in case heaven hath Decreed that this shall be effected in these days; and by a secondary means, viz. The Parliament of England's happy Genius, although there were no such thing in his Arms as a Lion; It might questionless be encompassed without the influence of the Stars, and allusions of Almanac-makers: For that the Lord hath a regard unto the intentions of men: cain's sacrifice was one as well as Abel's, although not accepted of; and it's moreover said, My son, give me thy heart, etc. Now for as much as concerns the other particular, which you hinted at; Truly this is my opinion thereon, That it would be a far wiser part to mind such like Christian, glorious, and beneficial achievements as you speak off; waving the enraged humour of shedding of blood, and setting of the very Seas on fire; whereby we should but give the Devil an advantage over us, and would he not thereby have handsomely compassed his own ends?  Capt. 
Thou sayest very well, and I do also remember that my friend, who acquainted me, with the Contents of the aforesaid Remonstrance unto the Parliament; told me, how that the great Favourite, the late Duke of Buckingham, had fixed his mind on that secret design; when as he intended his second Voyage towards Rotchel; to which intent, he had (by a Treaty with the late King of Sweden, Gustavus Adolphus) put himself under the said King's protection.  Mer. 
Why, truly as now you do awaken my memory thereon; for that I call to mind certain overtures, which were once made by one Master Fourbisher, unto the said King.  Capt. 
Which mean you? Those which were invented by a Scot, one Sir. Thomas Dishington (who by a Wit of this Nation was usually termed, a mouldy Turd) the same who when he was in France, under the pretence of being a Scotch Intelligencer, (though he could scarce Marshal up ten words of sense together) served the French as a spy.  Mer. 
The same, the same, 'tis he himself.  Cap. 
I marry, that Dreamer vented a world of Chimaeras, concerning one Signior Pedro, who had been his fellow prisoner in the Bastile at Paris; and who as Sr. Thomas pretends) had left his wife and children in a place where gold did grow, as rise as grass; and where (as the supposer said) the sun had solidated a vein of massiff gold as thick as a man's thigh; which (like a Bracelet about a Lady's neck) did surround a hill in Sicily, near unto the Town of Palerma.  Mer. 
Why, this is a mere Chimaera indeed; this was a mere deviding, la pela de l'orsso, the skin of a Bear, yet untaken: but suppose such a thing were; what a number of Pick-axes and Mattoks would there not be requisite to dig up that golden branch? After which, I pray you, how should it be gotten thence? unless a man could by some mystical conjuration, or by the strength of his faith, remove that same Mountain: However had Gustavus had as much faith as a grain of Mustardseed, he would have removed the said Dishington from England, and caused him to be hanged at Stock-holm, after the many favours he had conferred on him, whereof the late Duke Hamilton, and several other eminent persons of the English Nation being witnesses, did admire; but at length the said King found himself to be cheated by the said Sir Tho. who had no less than fifteen thousand Dollars given him by the said King, for the discovery of his pretended secret, as Mr. Ailsberry the Minister of the English Church at Hamborough full well knoweth.  Freeze. 
And must I all this while keep my peace? wrapped up in a Coat, at which you have so much carped; O yea wise men of Gotam! could not you all this while procure unto yourselves the discovery of that secret, which a Spanish second, Anthonio Peres manifested to the Duke of Buckingham, that white faced man, whom the Spaniards conceived to be the person with grey Eyes; and of whom the Indians (that can make Gold by their secret way of production) believe a prophecy, viz. How that there shall come amongst them a Nation with Flaxen hair, white faces, and grey Eyes, who shall enjoy Kellies secret: at which time the leaves of the Trees in that Land shall be as Gold? And these are the words in that Remonstrance which you speak of. Sirrah Captain, Moreover, I can tell you, now that the Spaniard, who revealed the said secret unto the Duke of Buckingham, was for his pains poisoned by the King of Spain's black Fovourite.  
And to the end that ye may hear, see, and know, I can speak of other guess things, besides green Cheese, and Freeze-landers Mares; know you also, sirrah Captain, that it is but too manifest, that in former ages there were Seekers, as well as in this; but which of the two were the wisest Seekers? there is the question.  
So likewise are there sundry propounders, some will go about to Cousin, and others that mean well; let me tell you, that if so be Sir Water Rawley, Cavendish, and Sir William Waller, had not been interrupted, they might have found; But as for such a Seeker as Disshington was, he might have sought to all eternity, and as then be as far to seek as ever, for he that holds not Lands in Capite; and he (as the Italian saith) that hath there Camera Locante, will be far to seek, although he should have Parret-like, learned a speech to forestall the glorious advantages of making towards such main ones, for to make that sure, and for to transporr Colonies thither; to which purpose fine things are invented to amuse people withal, especially such as will be Cozened, according unto the saying, volenti non fit injuria; for that such things are easily swallowed, if so be they are finely gilded.  
Disshington he aimed at a design to entrap some great persons, on a pretence to transport a Colony; but the question is; whether he had so much honesty and understanding, as was requisite for such an undertaking; though 'tis true, he had lighted on a Rhetoric, which better wits than himself had vented. viz. That to move men towards the planting of a Colony, and to beget in them a disposition to abandon their natural Soil, to inhabit another: They must be entertained with the hopes of conquesting some great matter, and the which must be hard to come by, for that else it would not seem to be a worthy undertaking for them.  
As for instance, The conquesting of the golden Fleece, the obtaining of a Land promised unto the Israelites, and the like; to obtain Victories against the common Enemy; unto which if you add the pulling of that dayld beast, Antichrist out of his Romish seat, it will not be amiss; for that such things take with the vulgar: as also the enlarging of a Nations bounds on other Sovereigns and Nations: All which propositions, as they must be pleasing, so must they be feasiable, for to keep the people's minds in a longing expectation, and in a constant resolution,  Capt. 
How now man? art thou a sleep Freeze-lander, sayest thou? art thou not rather some Joseph Scaliger, translated into the lining of a Coat? art thou not some Franecker or Leawarden professor? For as now thy language, and discourses plainly discover, that thy former terms and comparisons were but mere disguises, and that those goody driggle draggle tails with her Gossips, were but feigned persons: have I found you out I faith? I know now where thy Bashes lie (as the scofts say) why even to make us speak our minds, and thereon to take thy Raise: are you there with your Bear's sir? why now we shall have you open up to us, the Greek and Latin stories, and expound unto us the two ways whereby men must be ruled; how Armies are to be managed, and how an Army is to be embatalled; how they are to be kept on foot, and how by them a man may attain unto his several ends.  
Moreover, I do perceive that according unto the story of the Wine, thou hast studied how to possess the hearts of men, how to master their Forces, and how to daunt their courages: ha', ha', good Mr. Doctor Frieze, I have discovered thee I trow.  
Thou mayst happily have made that inscription which a Venetian Ambassador had placed over his Coat of Arms. viz. Populi, & Regum, nosse ingenium: for that I perceive it's thy Maxim, to endeavour to dive into the bottom of each ones particular interests: There are indeed but two ways to Govern men by, either by Force or Love. The second whereof cannot well be practised, without some dissimulation, if not deceit; and this in effect hath a reference to the two former say, the which I have been moved to utter, on thy sudden discovering of thyself: my now Latin Frieze, whose Master of Art-like expressions, infer how that the practical part of a true Statesman's universal principal, is to offer unto all those who are to be gained, a present and safe preservation of their particular interests.  
The Hollanders Commonwealth, together with several others, have shaken the Monarchical Yokes from their Necks, have made themselves masters of Armies, of Treasures, as well as of the means and lives of men; nay of particular men, as also of all the state presenting privileges to their inhabitants, they reform the Religion; yet with a kind of Toleration even to the Romanists at first. They conferred glory on the Soldiery, and received the Nobility into eminent places.  Frieze. 
I Marry, but he that desires to vanquish by love and fair means, must avoid the giving cause of suspicion, lest they might apprehend, that he intends to mix his particular ends with their interests: And therefore let him ever propound that by a third party, which he desires to compass: let him endeavour to render every one capable of it in particular, that to all whatsoever he saith and doth, may tend to that his wished end.  
Let him in all his proceed, show his love unto all men, integrity in all his Negotiations, mildness in the beginning, courage in the progress, and at last, his strength in the prevailing; as for example the wine doth which we before spoke of: for that at first it suffers itself to be mastered in divers respects, until at last it being gotten into the stomaches of Men, it thence ascends up unto the head, and so by its strength over-masters the Man its master.  Capt. 
Ha', ha', my Frieze, I thought I had found you out.  Freeze. 
The greatest secret amongst Politicians, hath ever been to embrace and establish a Religion, to maintain Justice, and equally to administer the same; But, and if they had done no more, they had done just nothing: for that you must know, Religion hath two parts; the first is a profound knowledge, the second is an obedience in the observing of Commands, which last is generally received by all men. viz By those of the Reformed Religion, the Calvinists, Lutherans, Anabaptists, Brownists, Papists, Jews, Turks, and all of them do generally agree on the point of obeisance and obedience in relation to those things which are commanded, whether they be natural, moral, or divine: yet however the first part is dangerous, consisting in evasions, controversies, and cavils, which are the mere offspring of all disputations, contentions, Schisms, and divisions.  
The people must not be made to learned, but must be kept at work by Handicrafts, and liberal Arts, though but soberly fed with knowledge.  
Wherefore many have blamed Agrippa de vanitate scientiarum.  
Was it not a main madness in those who thwarted the erecting of an Academy for all Arts and Sciences: which would not at all have moved spirits to such an insolent rebellious humour, as your insolent double Night-Capt snivelling nosed would be States Preachers, have lately done; and whom the Hollanders do handsomely pay home with a banishing bill of Dismission, whereas they presume to tell their Rulers, things must be done thus and thus; and you shall do whatsoever we brawl and roar in the Ears of goody Driggle Draggle tail, Wabbetie Clonters, and Jannetie Stronts, together with such other Turf wives, and Butter-whores, who they set on to break their Rulers brains.  Capt. 
Go to my Freeze-lander? I see I have not judged amiss of thee, and I do hearty thank thee for thy having thus discovered thyself.  Merch. 
O what a hap is this! 'twas a good wind indeed that put us by our first conceptions; who would have thought that we should have pitched upon this discourse?  Capt. 
Why the very truth is, that when I heard thee utter all those Arguments on the point of a free importance (it being a business which I have not at all dived into) I thought it not fit to make any Reply thereunto; besides that the Parliament is wise, and knows best whether or no it stands with their interest to leave a free Commerce or no? For that they (being the quintessence of the Lands wit) will doubtless take such a resolution thereon, as shall seem most consonant with this Commonwealth's concernment. Nor was there ever any great General justly blamed for the raising of a Siege, when he could employ his Army better in another undertaking: & in this sense it was that I reflected on a better occupation than bloodshedding; and therefore I rather choose to call unto mind that particular which is spoken of in the Remonstrance lately given to the Parliament, viz. The proffers of great Secrets, and other advantages; For that truly I have heard much of a thing which hath not as yet been revealed.  Merch. 
Truly if the case be so, why as then Captain it will greatly import thee to look after those things, both for thine own and the publicks good.  Cap. 
And why should it not as much concern yourself I pray?  Merch. 
Alas! we Merchants (at least many of us) are like resty Horses, that neither can, nor will be beaten out of their old Track, according unto our several vocations; if you tell me of a Balthasar de Moucheron, or a Curtin, and such like; why they I grant have been fit for such undertake: but however, by the by, it seems somewhat strange unto me, that the State looks not after such things: And on the other side also, it seems as strange to me, that since the Proponant is a stranger, he hath not made his proposals thereon to the East and West Indie Companies in Holland; and wherefore should a thing, which may be so great a consequence, as you infer by your hinting on Kelly, in Queen Elizabeth's days, perish with him? And we talk so much of Loreto, Civita Vechia, or any other Landing Port, to seek for I know not what; (though the design were never so good) and neglect to make ourselves sure of a Treasure; after which the men of all ages have sought; and whereby all the World's achievements are to be compassed and strengthened.  
Moreover, why do we hear men talk of a particular, which is contained in the aforesaid Remonstrance, touching seven millions of pounds due unto this Nation; and why is there no reflection made thereon, whilst that we let our minds rove afar off in seeking after things so remote; and in the mean while, none of us seems so much to mind these concernments at hand, as to say, let us have those seven millions of pounds, for that they may serve to take off the Assessments and other charges, and so disburden the People; the rather, for that the Gentlemen who knows the means to recover the said seven Millions of pounds, doth incessantly crave leave to be thereunto authorized, only in four Words. viz. Go and get them.  Cap. 
Truly it is a strange fate which doth infatuate the brains of men that will not hearken to such fair proffers.  Frieze. 
Good Captain, I must conclude, with that which hath proved to be true in all ages: The weakness of some men is such, as that it doth often move them to neglect such things as are proffered unto them; and to seek after those which fly them.  
And this is one of the main causes why we in all states find a world of men, who do so over-practise the saying. viz. To meddle with nothing is best: as that at length, they prove to be good for nothing, and so farewell.  Cap. 
I pray you my worthy Frieze, do not cut off so short, let us enjoy thee somewhat longer, and let us enlarge our conference, since we met for the best.  Freeze. 
What would you have us to discourse of besides?  Capt. 
Marry, I would fain hear thy opinion on our present case; and what course (to thy thinking) there ought to be taken concerning the Law?  Freeze. 
Why have you not that, by vox populi?  Capt. 
What say you of vox populi? that's vox diaboli.  Freeze. 
So also is it vox Dei, if so be the people were confident that they are worthy of the saying, contained in the 23. Chap. of Deut. ver. 14. For the Lord thy God, walketh in the midst of the Camp to deliver thee, and to give thine Enemies before thee: therefore thine Host shall be holy, that he see no filthy thing in thee, and turn away from thee.  Capt. 
So likewise do I remember, that in the 17. ver. it is thus said; There shall be no whore of the Daughters of Israel, neither shall there be a Whore Keeper of the Sons of Israel: and if the people be free from that sin; then indeed may their voices be, Vox Dei.  Freeze. 
Have not your Rulers made a decree against this vermin? and I doubt not, but that at their first modelling of the Law, they will have a care to provide Emphatical Articles against the same. Moreover let me tell you, that your crooked Law makes people run into the crooked paths of sin; and that it will never be rectified, unless it be squared and angled by the Law of God. Besides unless your Rulers fix on the modelling of a Law, and not on the single reforming thereof, observing God's Commandment unto Moses, to put off his shoes, which I conceive to be, by putting away sin, the cause of the old Law, and to walk upon a holy ground, on such principles as are answerable to the dictates of that Godly Book, and in particular the Gospel: Nay, as a Divine saith very well, that Honest Book, in default whereof this your pretended settling of the Law will be but lost labour, and as a mere mock-show, or as the lamentations of a Thief under the Gallows, who endeavours to protract the time, until some bribed reprieve be brought: and therefore I would have your Law served as a Judge did a Thief in Queen Elizabeth's days, who receiving a reprieve for a Malefactor, caused the reprieve to be put betwixt the Thief's neck and the halter, and then commanded the Executioner to go through with his part: So would I have the Law to be gone through withal by a setting of such Laws as are answerable to the will of God, and as may befit the very essence, resemblance, and being of a Commonwealth: for that otherwise (as I told you before) it will be but lost labour, and much like the discourses of (a company of impertinent Logicians) who talking of a Chaos, do persuade themselves, that God, out of that confused thing (though made by himself as they say, and whereby they consequently argue him to be the Author of confusion) made the world by degrees, determining thence, that things were afterwards put in order: according to which sense of putting things in order gradatim, your Rulers, cannot (to my thinking) pitch upon a better expedient, then to settle an order which may be conformable unto his orderly disposal, who is the Author of all orderly perfection, and who hath given the several Celestial Orbs their particular functions. Moreover even as when this grand Artist had atcheived all his works, he as then created that image of his, for whose sake all those Celestial bodies were ordained to perform their several functions: He as then made Man and Female, the which he did doubtless with an intent, to the end that the Female should be of use to the man; and therefore (in my mind) it may justly be expected, that even this Female Creature ought to be of a public use in a well settled Government, and to bear a fit part in the Commonwealths concernments; that excepted, which is not allowed of in Israel; not for the whore keeping Sons of Israel.  Capt. 
Marry, I like very well of your Proposition, in case they be kept out of the Pulpits, and out of the seats of Judicature; remember, I pray you, your Alice Pierce, and that some of them do but too much exercise the patience of men?  Frieze. 
Truly, there have been Prophetesses amongst them; and our Lord Jesus Christ himself preferred some Women even before his Apostles; for that unto a woman he manifested the truth of that great good which he had wrought for all mankind: Women, we see, would not leave him; they held him fast by his feet; they ceased not to kiss and wash them with their tears; they followed him even unto his death: Nor would they departed from the grave, before they had found him; Women have instructed and admonished men; and Women may be thought fit to admonish one another at select times in pious meetings.  Capt. 
I do confess, that it would be more decent, that they should reveal their faults to each others, then that they should, as the Papists, fill the ears of Priests with those infirmities, who do alas, steal upon them, through the charms and crafty insinuations of wicked men: when as by their imparting of those slips unto Priests, it doth for the most part happen, that as then, the saying is fulfilled; They confess to the Devil, who makes the sinner worse than she was before.  Frieze. 
Wise and Pious Widows, as also such women as have left off child-bearing, and childe-breeding, and who have such under them as are capable to look unto their house-keeping, might be employed in several directions and functions proper to their Sex; as the Hollanders have several Establishments, whereof women are the directours, as women had in former ages the managing of great undertake?  Capt. 
Let not them order dances?  Frieze. 
Such dances as Miriam, Aaron's sister, with all the women and maidens of Israel did dance, could not be amiss; and which I would have both men and women to practise: but let us break off now, I pray you; for that after dancing, its fit to betake one's self to rest.  Capt. 
Stay yet a while, I pray you; for that I have something more to move concerning women, and the settling of the Law.  Frieze. 
You may find much of the first, in Charles Gerbier's Elogium Heroinum, and in Mr. Hugh Peter, his Good work for a good Magistrate; by the latter of which, most cases concerning Religion, Mercy, and Justice, may be regulated in the Commonwealth of England. In the first, (as I say) you will find several observations noteworthy, touching the useful and laudable qualities in Women. In the second, you will meet with all those particulars, which are to be minded by all those, who intent to attain unto a great deal of quiet by a short cut. In the first, you will meet with many notable examples of the learning and wisdom of women; of their constancy and courage; of their chaistity; of their abilities to govern: he moreover tells you, how that Ceres' Queen of Sicily was the first that taught people to live under laws; that Valasca Queen of the Bohemians, governed her Estates without the Council or advise of any men; he tells you also of the Piety, and religiousness of women; on the proofs that Mary Magdalen and Martha her sister, did preach the Gospel of Christ amongst the Illirians, and converted all its inhabitans, how that the Sara's were devout, the mary's humble, and pacified persons: The Elizabeth's Religious, observing all the Commandments of God blameless; the Priscillas' heavenly, and rich in discourse; the Bathesbis, Loyses', and Eunices', careful in the instructing of their Children in the knowledge of God; and finally, how that Catharina, Alexandria, being under the Tyranny of Maxcentius, was illuminated with divine knowledge from above, and constantly maintained the faith of the Gospel.  
Secondly, you shall (in Mr. Hugh Peter his short cut to a great quiet) find that work for a good Magistrate, which may stand with Religion, Mercy, and Justice: without which there can be no good settlement, nor any Moddel framed, whereby all men may be found to observe Peace; the main securing whereof must be settled by the framing of a good Conscience: whereby the grand enemy of order, will be kept out and debarred.  Capt. 
Why truly I must needs confess that I have found so many truths, recorded of worthy women in the said Elogium Heroinum, as that I greatly marvel how so many injurious Pamplets, have been published against them in England.  
Secondly, I have found so many observable things, in the good work for a Magistrate, as that I cannot persuade myself, but that if those particulars which are therein mentioned, were settled here in England, this Nation might be justly termed a happy one indeed: in the which short cut, if you observe it, there is also a specification, how a good number of Women may be very well employed.  
Finally, It's my conceit, that in case that honest Book, the Bible, be laid before those who shall be ordained to prescribe Rules and Laws, as than we shall no more stand in need of those Caterpillars, called Attorneys and Solicitors; for that as then all men may be confident, of a short cut to a great quiet: as also that the Cheat will thereby be confounded to some purpose.  Freeze. 
I must needs tell you that ere long, you may see somewhat in Print on that subject: in the interim I shall believe that the condition of the English Nation, will be the more answerable unto the essence and constitution of a Commonwealth; whereas there shall be a Law, whereby the old Norman Law shall be extinguished: that every man shall have liberty to debate his own case, before such honest men as shall hear them gratis  Capt. 
Since you mention the word Gratis, I must ask you in the first place, whether you would not have three kind of men to act gratis? viz. Ministers, Judges, and Physicians.  Freeze. 
Yes indeed, that I would; that is to say, I would have the State to maintain the Ministers, the Judges, and the Physicians.  Capt. 
But what say you to the Law itself? unto Clients, and their manner of addresses?  Freeze. 
Why marry, I would have the old Law first of all to be so deeply interred, as that it should never rise again, except at doomsday, when as the corrupt lawyers themselves shall be brought to their Trial, without any Habeas Corpus, or reprieve at all.  
Secondly, I would have this Commonwealth's Judges to be such, as that the Scripture phrase might be applied unto them, viz. For that now, Saints shall judge the world. 1 Cor. ch. 6. v. 2. To the end that men might not hear those reproaches which are mentioned in the fifth verse. of the same Chap. viz. I speak it to your shame: is it so, that there is not a wise man amongst you? no not one that shall be able to judged between his brethren?  
That so likewise the question in 1 Cor. ch. 6. v. 1. may not be asked, viz. Do any of you, having a matter against aonther, go to Law, before the unjust, and not before the Saints?  Cap. 
But I pray you? where shall there be such found amongst Mortals, who inhabit flesh and Clay?  Freeze. 
That's a question indeed, though it may be soon resolved; For that whensoever the Rulers shall fix on such a resolution, they may easily find out such as will make good H. P. his saying, in his short Cut to great ease; and by the prosecuting of this their design, they may acquire unto their Government, the true form of a Commonwealth.  
For that at the very entrance of their framing a Platform to decide all controversies, the which may arise between man and man in temporal matters, as well as in criminal; as also on the point of Meum, and Tuum; they may pitch on the means to remove all Causes whence the grand controversies amongst the most eminent's Families do arise: mark me well, and be not startled at it; I say the causes which proceed, from an elder Lording brother's domineering over his younger brother, for naught forsooth, save that he hath a Title above him, that he hath an Estate, and that he therefore can spend and domineer like a little Tyrant over his slaves.  
1. To prevent all which Fathers give to thy eldest Son a double portion, if you please but divide the rest of the Estate equally amongst your Children, as than they will be all Free Commonwealths men, and not Bondmen, as then a second, third, fourth; nay youngest brother more or less, shall be able to do the States good service, to live like a free man borne, and not be reduced unto desperate courses.  
2. Moreover let all Fathers, appoint this double proportion to their eldest Sons conditionally; That is to s●y, in case he proves to be a virtuous man, in default whereof, let the younger brother have that double proportion, if he be more deserving then the elder: whereby men will be brought to study godliness and goodness.  
3. The second main thing, which (in my conceit) is to be pitched upon, is the settling of a general Record office, the practical part whereof will for ever cut off a world of contentions, dis-inable cheats from going on in their destructive courses, and settle all men in their proprieties.  
In the third place, let your Rulers remove all Arrests whatsoever, or Debts, and consequently all imprisonments for the same.  
4. Let them also abrogate the putting of men to death for Theft; Doth not the Text say, And if any man sue thee at Law, and take away thy Coat, let him have thy Cloak also, Mat. 5. v. 40.  
5. Why should we urge the saying, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, for that it would seem to be a piece of injustice, to put out the eye of a man, who hath but one, for having put out another's, who had two: and so likewise with the Teeth, in which regard to my thinking, the scripture old Law might be dispensed withal.  
6. Let no Marriages be lawful, without the Parents consent.  
And this is all which you shall have from me for the present, lest the five and three man should step in again; and that the merry grig should have cause to urge his former saying, and to laugh at us by his inferring. That to meddle with nothing is best.  
FINIS.