AN ANSWER To one part of The Lord Protector's SPEECH: OR, A VINDICATION OF THE Fifth Monarchy-men, In reference to an Accusation of evil charged upon them in his Speech to the Parliament in the Painted Chamber, the 4 of September, 1654. Published by John Spittlehouse, To the end all men may see the strong endeavours that have been used, to obstruct the Kingly interest of Jehovah the Lord Christ in the world, by blowing the bellows of a Persecution against those that desire he should reign over all the Nations of the earth, by his holy, just, and perfect Laws and Ordinances recorded in the sacred Scriptures to that very end and purpose. Luke 19 27. But those mine enemies that would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither, and slay them before me. Dan. 6. 5. Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God. Printed at London, for Livewel Chapman, at the Crown in Popes-head-alley. 1654. The Epistle to the Reader. INasmuch as Satan, knowing his time is but short, Rev. 12. 12. doth now more than ever transform himself into an Angel of light, to the end he may the more cunningly and smoothly de●●●e the very elect, if it were possible, Matth. 24. 24. or otherwise stir up his Instruments to persecute the Man-child, (in his Members) who is now about to rule all nations with a rod of iron, Rev. 12. 5. It therefore nearly concerneth the people of God to stand upon their guard, by contending earnestly for the faith, in hearing testimony to those Prophecies that tend to the exaltation of the Lord Jesus unto his Kingly office and interest in the world in these last days. Upon which very account, I have, in the strength of JEHOVAH, given this following Answer to his Charge of Evil against the Fifth Monarchy-men. Knowing, that the righteous, in such cases, aught to be as bold as lions, and not to fear such persons whose power is permissive, joh. 19 10, 11. and limited, Matth. 10. 28. as is the power of Satan, job 1. 12. and 2. 6. As also, from the encouragement of the Spirit of God communicated unto us by the Apostle Paul, 1 Cor. 1. 27, 28, 29. where he saith, God hath chosen the FOOLISH things of this world, to confound the WISE; and God hath chosen the WEAK things of this world to confound the MIGHTY; and the BASE things of this world, and things which are DESPISED, hath God CHOSEN; yea, things which ARE NOT, to bring to nought things WHICH ARE; that no flesh might glory in his presence. Even so. Amen. An Answer to part of the L. Protectors Speech. Speech. WE may reckon among those spiritual evils, an EVIL that hath more refinedness in it, more colour for it, and hath deceived more people of integrity than the rest have done. For few have been catched with the former mistakes, but such as have apostatised from their holy profession; such as being corrupt in their consciences, have been forsaken by God, and left to such noy some Opinions. But, I say, there are others more refined; many honest people, whose hearts are sincere, many of them belonging to God: and this is the MISTAKEN NOTION of the FIFTH MONARCHY. Resp. Reader, inasmuch as the FIFTH MONARCHY-MEN are here involved among other persons and opinions, as the Levellers, whose principle (he saith) is, To make the Tenant of as liberal a fortune as the Landlord; 〈◊〉 conceive it meet to speak something thereunto by way of P 〈…〉 And albeit we abominate any wicked action under the no 〈…〉 of Levelling, etc. yet we could tell the Accuser, that there is a Levelling principle of an higher nature, which it seems he had forgot, viz. such a levelling as hath not only in the notion, but even in action reduced the Tenant into the condition of the Landlord, and the Landlord into the condition of the Tenant; the Servant into the condition of the Master, and the Master into the condition of the Servant: which will clearly appear, by comparing the ranks, estates, and conditions of divers at the present, with what they were before the Wars; and that not in posse, but in esse, visible to all men. 2. As to his charge of disrespect to the Authority of the Nation, as to the Magistrate, to the ranks and orders of men, whereby England hath been known for hundreds of years; as, A Nobleman, a Gentleman, a Yeoman, (that being a good interest of the Nation, and a great one:) surely the old Proverb is here verified, viz. The Priest hath forgot that ever he was Clerk: for, was not the lineal race of Kingship as good and great an interest as any of the other? yea, far greater: and yet who hath been more instrumental to raze out the Kingly line of the Stewarts in this Nation, root and branch▪ then himself? as also, to plant himself in their stead. But this must not be counted any disrespect to Magistracy; no, the poor Levelers, that have brought a Noble to ninepences, in stead of multiplying Ninepences to a Crown, (as some have done) they must now bear the blame for all suchlike actions. Albeit there are liars, if he himself have not said, that the nation would never be at quiet whilst there was a name of a Lord in the land. 3. Whereas he chargeth others with a spirit visibly acting those things foretold by Peter, Judas, and the Apostle Paul to Timothy: sure I am, that multitudes of godly people in this Nation are verily persuaded that he chargeth others with many things which might as properly be fixed to—: And therefore if such as put the day of Christ far from them, or such as having escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord Jesus, and are now again entangled in them, and overcome; or such as are lovers of themselves, or covetous▪ or proud, or boasters, or blasphemers, or covenant-breakers, or false accusers, or fierce, or despisers of those that are good, or traitors, or heady, or highminded, or lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, or speakers of lies in hypocrisy, or turners with the d 〈…〉 vomit, or with the sow that was washed to the wallowing 〈…〉 the mire be the persons he intendeth his charge against, we shall desire some would begin to look at home; for the Apostle Paul doth judge persons worthy of reproof, who think themselves to be guides of the blind, and a light to them that sit in darkness, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, etc. if such shall teach or reprove others, and withal teach not themselves; if they shall preach, A man should not steal, and yet they to steal themselves, etc. as the Saying is, Thou mayst not, but I may. 4. Whereas he chargeth other persons with laying the axe to the root of the Ministry, as Antichristian and Babylonish; I desire to know how much short he himself would have proved of such a Principle, had they not learned to cry up Oliver in stead of Charles. The time was * Vide p. 23 of his speech July 4. 1653. , when he said, It was not in his heart to speak for a Ministry † And what are the present Clergy of this nation other? deriving itself through the Papacy, and pretending to that which is so much insisted upon as succession. It was also thought, at that time, a fit Querie by him to the old Parliament, Whether the next Parliament they intended, were Page 15. of that Speech. not like to consist of all Presbyters? or whether those qualifications (then making by them) would hinder them or * Note Presbyters and neuters joined together. Neuters? etc. they having deserted this cause and interest upon the king's account, and upon that closure with them and the neighbour-nation. And thereupon professed, that they had as good have delivered up their Cause into the hands of any, as into the hands of interested and * It seems they are not so now. biased men: for it is one thing to live friendly, and brotherly to bear with, and love a person of another judgement in Religion; another thing to have any so far set in the saddle upon that account, as that it should be in them to have all the rest of their brethren at * I think they have little le● now. mercy. But this by the way. I shall now apply myself wholly to the peculiar Charge against the Fifth Monarchy-men. In which I shall take notice, 1. What they are not. 2. What they are. 3. Their notion. 1. He saith, They are not such as have been catched with the former mistakes, viz. those before mentioned by him in his Speech. 2. As to what they are, he also saith, 1. that they are people of integrity. 2. Such as have not apostatised from their holy profession. 3. Not such as have been corrupt in their consciences, having been forsaken by God, 〈◊〉 to noisome Opinions. 4. Honest people. 5. Such whose 〈…〉 e sincere. 6. Such as belong unto God. And is there any 〈…〉 ease particulars, but what he himself might very well entertain, without any disparagement to his Greatness? Again, being such persons, by his own confession, they may the more justly reprove him, or any other that walk contrary hereunto, and that according to the Apostles instance. 3. Whereas he termeth their principle the MISTAKEN NOTION of the FIFTH MONARCHY; I shall speak thereunto, when I come to his Reasons for so saying. Speech. A thing pretending to more spirituality than any thing else: a notion I hope we all HONOUR, WAIT, and HOPE for. That Jesus Christ will have a time to set up his reign in our hearts, by subduing those corruptions and lusts, and evils that are there, which reign now more in the world, than I hope in due time they shall do. And when more fullness of the Spirit is poured forth, to subdue iniquity, and bring in everlasting righteousness, then will the approach of that glo●y be. Resp. Reader, in this expression thou mayst observe these particulars. 1. That our notion pretends to more spirituality than any other. And in this particular, we think he is not very much mistaken; witness our Declaration, (which Sa●●. Richardson, one of the Elima●'s Act. 13. 8. of this Commonwealth, hath scandalised as a Libel, notwithstanding those men's names prefixed to it, with thousands that approve thereof) where we demonstrate to all the world our desires that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ would cast down all those earthly, carnal, cruel, and political combinations of men of all sorts that would not have him to reign over us but set up themselves and their corrupt interests in the room of that sceptre of righteousness which he hath given into the hands of his dear Son: and that he would give us Magistrates as at the first, and Rulers as at the beginning, viz. Ministers of the Unction and Magistrates of the Unction; such as fear God, and hate covetousness. And we hope there is no evil in all or any of these requests. 2. He saith it is such a notion as he himself both honoureth, waiteth, and hopeth for, (viz. the subduing of corruptions, and lusts, and iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness. And what is it more that we desire? If therefore there be evil in such desires, he hath hereby declared himself as guilty thereof as we. Speech. The carnal divisions and cont●ntions among Christians so common, are not the symptoms of that kingdom. Resp. 1. If carnal divisions be not signs of the approach of that kingdom or Monarchy of our Lord Jesus upon earth, then why was it that we levied war against our brethre 〈…〉 Scotland, (so called) and that upon the account of the kingly 〈◊〉 of Jesus Christ upon earth, as in the Declaration of the Army to Scotland, p. 36▪ 37, 38, 39 where they affirm they were stirred up by the Lord to assist the Parliament against the King for this end, to bring about the destruction of Antichrist, and the deliverance of his * What were the Scots then in the Army's esteem? true Church and People. And that upon this simple account it was they engaged in the wars of the three nations against all opposers of this work of Jesus Christ; having these things singly in their eye, viz. the destruction of Antichrist, and the advancement of the kingdom of Jesus Christ, and deliverance and reformation of his Church, and the establishment of CHRIST'S ORDINANCES ACCORDING TO HIS WORD etc. All which they declare, with the loss of many precious Saints, p. 38. as also, that they engaged against the late king and HIS MONARCHY, as As well against his Monarchy 〈◊〉 himself. one of the ten horns of the Beast, guilty of the blood of the Saints; which act they say they are confident God will own against all kingdoms and nations that will oppose them, and that will not suffer Jesus Christ to be king: as also, that the Lord had made them instrumental to vex all in his sore displeasure that take counsel against Christ, whom the Lord hath anointed and decreed king: and that they were not merely the servants of men: and that they had not only PROCLAIMED Jesus Christ king of Saints to be OUR KING, but that they would submit to him (alone) upon his OWN TERMS, and admit him (only) to the exercise of his ROYAL AUTHORITY. As also, in p. 40. where they beseech the Scots to LOOK ABOUT THEM, for that our Lord Jesus was coming. 2. If this kingdom of Jesus Christ they so cried up and proclaimed, did only extend to a spiritual notion of Government WITHIN US; what necessity was there for him and the Army to have been so instrumental as they have, to pluck up Kingly Government by the roots in this Commonwealth, as also against all arbitrary or absolute power in any single person whatsoever, as tyrannical, and vassalizing the Saints and people of God in this Commonwealth: and that they would not permit the same in any they could most confide in, or could have most personal assurance of? Can not Jesus Christ, I say, have reigned WITHIN US, in the hearts of his people in this Commonwealth, if the late King had yet kept his Crown and Head upon his shoulders? Is it possible that any mortal man should hinder such a reign? And if not, why was Caesar destroyed without, to let in Christ within? Can his persecuting the people of God have done it? Surely not: experience hath taught, that the blood of the Martyrs hath been the seed or increase of the Church. And doubtless the Scots knew as well as himself and the Army. That there was no king but Jesus, as to A SPIRITVAL ACCOUNT or GOVERNMENT WITHIN US; and therefore doubtless did not contest against such a Government. Nay, is it not clear from their exceptions, that their Quarrel (or rather, the Quarrel of the Lord Jesus, as they at least pretended) was for the subversion of whatsoever was Antichristian in point of External Ordinances, and for the establishment of the Ordinances of Jesus Christ ACCORDING TO HIS WORD? 3. Had not himself and the Army been really convinced that MONARCHY ITSELF (as it hath reference to Dan. 2. 34▪ 35 44. and 7. 18, 22, 26, 27.) was at its period, what ground had they to fight against MONARCHY ITSELF, or to revenge the BLOOD OF THE SAINTS upon the KINGS OF THE EARTH, either from Scripture, or primitive practio● of Saints? whose usual custom was, in such cases, aut fugere, aut pati, to flee or suffer; and not to oppose wicked Princes upon such an account; knowing that the Lord had permitted them for a time to exercise such wickedness, Revel. 17. 21, 13. But contrariwise, that they were convinced of the truth thereof, (or at least, played the part of the greatest hypocrites that ever were upon the face of the earth) witnessing their styling themselves The Army of the Lamb, as also their aforesaid expressions: witness also their notorious Appeal at Dunbar, where they owned no king but Jesus, and the Scots a Personal interest of man: as also, the glorious decision of that controversy on the No king but Jesus his side, and that to the admiration of all men: witness also his own expression in his Speech made to the (short-lived) Parliament, July 4. 1653. p. 24, 25. where he saith, We know who they are that shall war with the Lamb against his enemies; they shall be a people called chosen, and faithful, and hath in the Military way, etc. I believe you know it: he hath acted with them, and for them, etc. Indeed I think there is something at the door * I wish we could once see it within-door. , we are at the threshold: And therefore it becomes us to lift up our heads, and to encourage ourselves in the Lord, etc. And we have some of us thought it our duty to endeavour this way, not vainly looking on that prophecy of Daniel, Chap. 1. 44. and that Scripture may be fulfilled now to us. 4. But to stoop a little to his sense of the mistaken notion, as he is now pleased to term it, (by way of derision, now he hath compassed his own ends by it.) Did this Notion lead him forth to destroy kings for their lusts and corruptions, and the same lusts and corruptions yet ●eigning in the world, (and particularly in—?) Certainly we are little bettered by the expense of so much blood and treasure that hath been shed and spent since the Wars began. The Lord be merciful to such persons, and give them grace to repent, if it be his will; or otherwise as shall most conduce for his glory, and the good of his people. Speech. But for men to entitle themselves, upon this principle, that they are the only men to rule Kingdoms, govern Nations, and give Laws to people, to determine of property and liberty, and every thing else, upon such a pretence as this; truly they had need to give clear manifestations of God's presence with them, before wise men will receive or submit to their conclusions. Resp. 1. The time was, that some, etc. were as little thought upon to be so exercised as we. Besides, this charge against us, is at the very best erroneous, (we might say—) For our principle doth not lead us forth to entitle ourselves to such Offices; it being the Word of God that inrights us thèreunto; a donation from God himself, and not from a few favourites▪ for carnal ends and interests. And that we are so, vide one of his Doctor's opinions, viz. Mr. Tho. Goodwin, in his Sermon preached in Crooked-lane London, upon Rev. 5. 9, 10. touching the very subject we contest for, viz. The Fifth Monarchy: where (in p. 4.) treating upon vers. 10. Thou hast made us unto our God kings and priests, and we shall REIGN ON EARTH; he saith, That the lowest interpretation that can be given (of these words) must be this: We shall have a hand IN GVIDING THE AFFAIRS OF THE EARTH. Again, p. 15. I say, There is an eminent kingdom for the Saints to have on the EARTH. Thus much, I say, me thinks should be evident to every man's understanding. P. 18. So that the plain Doctrine or Observation is but this: That there is in the end a kingdom to come here for the Saints: That after all the kingdoms of the world have had their time and their date, by which the Saints have been all along oppressed and injured, there is, even ON EARTH, a kingdom to be given unto them; When all Nations shall be converted unto God, and the Saints in them to be the prevailing party in the world. The Scripture seems to run much this way. P. 26. And there is all the reason in the world for it, besides what I have mentioned out of the Scripture: For, in that the Saints have been oppressed here in this world, it is a righteous thing with God to give that generation rest and that they should have their turn after all kingdoms are dissolved: That what Adam lost, should be restored to them again, etc. And that promise, if you look in Is●, 65. I am sure you will find to be made to MEN ON EARTH; for he saith plainly, They shall build HOUSES, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards▪ and eat the fruit of them etc. And this as an answer to all the prayers that have been put up; as that, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. The whole Sermon will far more abundantly satisfy in this particular, if our adversaries please to peruse it. And therefore by the same rule that they pretended to be drawn forth to fight for this MONARCHY OF JESUS CHRIST, we are drawn forth to promote those LAWS and ORDINANCES which are peculiar thereunto, and which they fought for, and from which they have now shamefully apostatised; putting that day now afar off, (as in 2 Pet. 3. 3, 4 5 &c.) which they then declared was even at the door, as aforesaid; as also, by slighting and contemning those holy, just, and perfect Laws, which they then acknowledged to be from heaven, as also a rule for all Rulers; yea such, as that whoso was not EVER UNDER THEM, owned not his OBEDIENCE to God. Vide Abridgm. Remonstr. Alban, p. 6, 8. Besides, we have as plain texts of Scripture for the one, as they could have for the other: yea, for Ruling and Governing: Vide Dan. 7. 22, 26, 26. Rom. 8. 16, 17. 1 Cor. 6. 2. 2. Whereas he taxeth us with (an ambitious fancy of) giving Laws to the world, we conceive it no better than the former. For the Laws are recorded already by the alone lawmaker and giver, (Jam. 4. 12.) that we desire may be put in practice, viz. the Laws, Statutes, Judgements, and Ordinances, which our Lord and Master Jesus Christ hath constituted and appointed to govern his subjects by; and that as well in relation to the outward as inward man. Which if he HIMSELF will do, (as we once hoped he would have done) we shall have exceeding great cause to bless God for it, and shall acquiesce in our present conditions: it being not for our own, but the interest of Jehovah the Lord Christ, whom we alone desire may be exalted: but otherwise we shall yet say, and testify, that it is Babylonish, and Antichristian, for any Magistrate, and especially for such of them as profess Christianity, to make or establish any other Laws for the Government of Christians, than those that are contained in the sacred Scriptures of the Old and New Testament, whether for State or Church; they being there recorded for no other end or purpose that we know of. Besides, what greater dishonour can Magistrates do to Jehovah the Lord Christ (whom they at least pretend to be their Creator, God, King, Lord, Saviour, and Lawgiver) than to sleight and reject his holy, just, and perfect Laws, etc. And to erect instead thereof (the Statutes of Omri) the L●ws of Heathens, Antichristians, or their own vain and foolish Imaginations, Traditions, and inventions? The Lord set it home upon his heart seriously to consider hereof; for seeing the Lord would not permit his then only peculiar people (who doubtless had as much REASON or LIGHT OF NATURE as we have) neither to fancy to themselves Laws either in things Civil or spiritual, or to extract themselves Laws from any other people then extant; Why should he, or any other persons whatsoever dare to attempt the making of Laws, whether Civil or Spiritual? Besides, in so doing, is it not as much as to say in plain terms, that our Predecessors, and they are wiser than God? And what is that less than Blasphemy? Again, what precedent have we in holy Writ, that any of the people of God published any command of God in their own name? doth not Moses present the Lawmaker himself to give forth his own Law? Exod. 20. 1. Jehovah spoke these words saying, etc. And was it not the usual expression of the Prophets to say, Thus saith the Lord? Yea doth not Jesus Christ himself say, I speak not of myself? As also the Apostle Paul? 1 Cor. 11. 23. That which I received of the Lord deliver I unto you. And doth he not will Christians to be followers of him in such actions? Again, hath not he himself sworn, That the Christian Religion contained in the Scriptures, shall be held forth, and recommended, as the public profession of these Nations, vide Government, Art. 25. And what is that Religion other than to be conformable to the Laws and Ordinances of Jehovah the Lord Christ, as is clearly evident from these following Scriptures, viz. Deut. 6. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 8, 9 and 10, 12 13. Matth. 22. 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40. Luke 10. 25, 26, 27, 28. Jam. 2. 8, 9, 10, 11. 1 Joh. 2. 3. and 3. 22, 23, 24. and 5. 2, 3. And is he not then perjured, if he see it not performed? Besides, is it not the undoubted badge of the Man of sin, and Son of perdition, to give forth his own Edicts, in his own name; and therefore is said to oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or worshipped, so that he ●its in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God, 2 Thes. 2. 4. And if so, what are they other than his Puples that imitate him, pretending to be what they are not, as too many do in these days of Apostasy? 3 Whereas he saith, we desire to determine of Liberty and Property, and every thing else; we answer, That this charge is like the rest; for we desire to determine no otherwise of any thing, than the alone Lawgiver hath commanded to be done; and that we hope, as we are his professed sons and servants, we may be bold to do in the presence of God, Angels, and ●en; for by so doing, we shall act as servants, not as Lords, as some do, both in Civils and spirituals. 4 As to the reception of those holy, just, and perfect Laws and Ordinances of Jehovah the Lord Christ, we are clearly of his opinion, viz. That the wise men, and self-interested men of this Commonwealth, will be very averse thereunto, Knowing, that the natural man receiveth not the things of God, because they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, etc. 1 Cor. 2. 14. And therefore, we shall not much wonder if the Heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things, if the Kings of the earth stand up, and the Rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his Anointed, saying, Let us break their bonds asunder, and cast away their cords from us, KNOWING, that ●e that sitteth in heaven laugheth, and that the Lord hath them in derision, that he will speak to them in his WRATH, and vex them in his sore displeasure, that he will break them with a rod of iron, and dash them in pieces like a Potter's vessel; And in the close, will in despite of them, set his King upon his holy hill of Zion, Psal. 2. Be wise now therefore, O ye Kings, be instructed ye Judges of the earth etc. Kiss the Son lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled, yea but a little, then let such as presumptuously oppose him, look to themselves. Speech. Beside certainly, though many of these men have good meanings, as I hope in my soul they have, yet it will be the wisdom of all knowing and experienced Christians, to do as Judas saith (when he had reckoned up those horrible * This is much like Held brands &c infernal firebrand p. 9 where they also innumerate us among Blasphemers, for desiring to promote the pure and simple Laws and Ordinances of God, & Christ, without the mixture of men's inventions in State and Church. things done upon pretences, and happily by some upon mistakes) Of some, saith he, have compassion, making a difference, others save with fear. I fear they will give opportunity too often for this exercise, and I hope the same will be for their good. Respon. Reader, behold thou hast here the same person, that hath confessed the FIFTH MONARCHY MEN to be people of Note the Characters given us by out A●c●s●r. integrity. (2) Such as have not been catched with his mistakes. (3) Such as have not Apostatised from their holy Profession. (4) Such as are not corrupt in their consciences. (5) Such as are not forsaken by God. (6) Such as are not left to noisome Opinions. (7) Such as are more refined than others. (8) Such as are honest people. (9) Such as he conceiveth in his very soul have good meanings. (10) Such whose Notion himself honoureth, waiteth, and hopeth for (at least in pretence) (11) Such whose hearts are sincere. (12) Such as belong unto God. Now numbering them among the horrible transgressors of the times, and such as he can freely blow the Bellows of a persecution against, and that with a pretended zeal for God's glory. Well, blessed be the Lord, for we are hereby the more assured that we are the servants of our professed Lord and Master, who was d●●lt with in the very same manner, Isa. 53. 12. And the servant is not greater than his Lord, Joh. 15. 20. And therefore we may well expect to be so used; but yet notwithstanding we shall desire some particular instances of those Horrible Transgressions, we are thus cunningly involved into (this is not with Moses and Paul to die for God's people.) Speech. If men do but pretend for Justice and Righteousness, and be of peaceable spirits, and will manifest this, let them be the subject of the Magistrates encouragement. And if the Magistrate by punishing visible miscarriages, save them by the Discipline (God hath ordained for that end) I hope it will evidence love, and no hatred, to punish where there is cause. Respon. Indeed some have sufficiently pretended that which we now clearly see they never intended; and if his endeavour be to devolve us into that Predicament, he is at a loss; for we are for realities, and not specious pretences, to be not only saying, but doing the will of our Master. It is the Hypocrite that saith, and doth not. The Scribes and Pharisees of these times, who bind heavy burdens, and grievous to be born, and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves will not touch them with one of their fingers, Matth. 23. 2, 3, 4. The Accuser would therefore do well to compare this his expression with his former actions, and then see whether of us two deserve the— Hath his pretence for Justice and Righteousness been manifested by a peaceable spirit? hath it not led him through the blood of Kings, and Potentates, to lay the house of Peers aside, and to winnow and sift the Representative of the people of England, and to bring them to an handful? vid. Speech 14. July, etc. Yea the same Justice and Righteousness that we now desire may be exalted; And is that worthy of justification in him, and condemnation in us? And if the Magistrates will faithfully punish visible miscarriages, we know who would not golong unpunished, and that to some purpose, and yet but meet to them in the same measure that they would have measured to the guiltless, which we take to be, a very righteous judgement, Matth. 7. 2. which if the Magistrate will do, we hope it will evidence love, and not hatred, to punish where there is cause, let the person be never so great; for God hateth all workers of iniquity, Psal. 5. 5. And accepteth not the person of Princes, nor regardeth the rich more than the poor, Job 34. 19 And Reformation had better begin at the Majorities than the Minorities, And that by his own confession. vid. Ibid. Remon. Alban pag. 10. Speech. Indeed this is that which doth most declare the danger of that spirit, for if these were but Notions, I mean the instances I have given you both of Civil considerations and Spiritual; If, I say, they were but Notions, they were to be let alone; Notions will hurt none but them that have them. Respond. Reader, surely we shall now shortly know the meaning of this huddled Discourse. I fear there is something of self lieth at the bottom, if we could once come to it, but at present I clearly perceive he is content we should with David, keep our mouths with a bridle, whilst the wicked are before us, that we may be dumb with silence, and to hold our tongues even from good words, though it be pain and grief unto us, Psal. 39 1, 2. Thus far as it relateth to our hurt, he is well pleased with, thus far he is content we should be the subject of the Magistrates encouragement, but what follows? Speech. But when they come to such a practice. Respon. What practice? Speech. As to tell US. Respond. I told you we should find something of self in the bottom; he was content that we should imitate David as aforesaid, but if we once come to act him in the third verse of that Psalm, viz. That our hearts begin once to wax hot within us, whilst we are musing of the Apostate actions of the Army in these times. And that the fire of zeal to God's glory, and the Nations good be kindled so in us, as that we are constrained to speak with our tongue, (What, to tell US.) This amounteth to a Civil Transgression to some purpose, and worthy to be punished as a visible miscarriage. But what is it that we are so bold to tell? Speech. That Liberty and Property, are not the badges of the Kingdom of Christ. Respond. This we say is scandalous; for in as much as the Royal Law▪ of Jehovah doth neither destroy Liberty nor Property; and that being the Law we stand for, it must therefore unavoidably follow, that we have no such principle, and consequently that we have used no such expressions. Nay, we are so far from saying so, as that we have declared our detestation thereof to all the world. It is likely indeed we might say, that proud, tyrannical, oppressing, and persecuting Magistrates, neither Lordly, covetous, or Apostate Priests, neither griping, squeazing, or devouring Lawyers, are badges of that Kingdom. And so indeed we might come to touch the freehold of some. Speech. To tell U S, That instead of regulating Laws, Laws are to be abrogated, indeed subverted. Respon. Our blessed Saviour telleth the Scribes and Pharisees (Hypocrites) Matth. 15. 3, 4, 6, 9 that they had transgressed the Royal Law of God, and made it of none effect by their Traditions. And hence it was the Apostle Paul querieth, What communion light could have with darkness, or what concord Christ could have with Belial, And what part he that believeth, could have with an Infidel, or what agreement the Temple of God could have with Idols, 2 Cor. 6. 14, 15, 16, etc. And hence it was we rejected the PRELATICAL HIERARCHY, because it had so near an Affinity, yea Consanguinity, with the PAPACY. And therefore in as much as PRESBYTERY is as near of kin to Prelacy, as Prelacy to Popery, it ought as well to be abrogated root and branch as PRELACY, being both DAUGHTERS to that MOTHER OF HARLOTS, Rev. 17. 5. to that MYSTERY OF INIQUITY, and ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH; Yea doubtless, it may confidently be affirmed, that what Church soever doth yet retain the CONSTITUTION of the Church of Rome, since its APOSTASY, albeit never so much refined in other particulars (as relinquishing its Ordination, etc. which the Presbyterians, etc. have not done) is still to be esteemed as Babylonish and Antichristian. And the like may also be said in point of Regulating the Civil Laws of Commonwealths derived from the Assyrian or BABYLONISH MONARCHY erected by Nimrod, Gen. 10. 9, 10. which though the Magistrate should refine never so much, yet it is but a REFINING OF BABEL: for whilst there is any thing in them that may be termed HUMAN, either in Civil or Ecclesiastical Laws, that may be said to be added or detracted from the Law of God comprised in the Old and New Testament, they by so doing bring themselves under the Curse of God, Deut. 22. 26. Gal. 3. 10. Therefore we may safely assert, that by how much the present Magistrates of this Commonwealth do judge themselves to be the members of the body of Christ, or that the God of Heaven and Earth is their God, or expect to have God dwell in them, and walk in them, or they to be his people, they ought to come wholly out of the BABYLONISH and ANTICHRISTIAN ESTATE, whether in reference to CIVIL, or SPIRITVAL GOVERNMENT, yea to be such SEPARATISTS from them, as not to touch them in the least, but to pluck them up ROOT and BRANCH; And so wholly conform themselves to the word of God for their SOLE RULE and direction therein, which if they will yet submit unto, the Apostle averreth that the Lord Christ hath promised to receive them into his ●ingdom●, and to be a Father unto them, and that they shall be his children, 2 Cor. 6. 27, 28. But that this will not easily be assented unto by the present Powers of the world, is clearly made out unto us by another of his own created * Whose expressions will need no Interpreter. Doctors, viz. Mr. John Owen, in his Sermon upon Heb. 12. 27. page 25. where he saith, That, that which doth, and shall stick upon Potentates to their ruin, is not so much their own, or any other interest, as the Dregs of the Papal Antichristian interests thrust into their Oaths and Obligations, for I shall only propound some Queries. no other end in the world, BUT TO KEEP THE LORD JESUS OUT OF HIS THRONE, And hereupon it was (saith he in his Sermon upon Ezek. 17, 24 page 12.) that the late King had learned a saying from his Predecessors, No Bishop, no King, supposing his MAIN INTEREST to lie in holding up PRELACY, a mere INCROACACHMENT upon the INHERITANCE OF CHRIST, Christ coming to take his OWN, shakes the other in pieces. Again (saith he) those who would have been our Oppressors Were not those the Presbyterian Priests? etc. in Scotland, but that God hath crushed the Cockatrice in the shell, and filled the pit with their dead bodies, which they had digged for us, they also had prepared a PROCRUSTES BED, a heavy yoke, a Beast that had it grown to perfection, would have had HORNS and HOOFS, And in maintaining this, they think their GREAT INTEREST TO LIE. And in holding this fast, are they, after all their Associations, broken in pieces. Again, in page 21. of that Sermon, What was the corrupted design of many in Scotland, that they might set up a SON of Was it corrupt in them then, & not in yourselves now. TABEAL in England, and THEMSELVES to be GREAT UNDER HIM, and that they and their Partakers, might IMPOSE on the residue of the Nations, especially in the things of God? Their great desire that things should be thus, corrupts their minds, to think that it ought to be so. Hence AMBITION TO RULE, and to have all under their power even in conscience, is quickly mistaken for zeal for the Kingdom of Christ, inthroning of Tyranny is Loyalty, and all according to Covenant: As if men had sworn to be good to themselves, and to be true to their own interest all their days, which surely none need to be sworn to. Thus men's minds and judgements are distempered by their lusts and interests, which makes them frame a way for God to proceed in. And this is the reason (saith he page 25. of his Sermon Heb. 12. 27.) that the Lord Jesus by his MIGHTY POWER, at Wherein is it altered since that time. his bringing in of his VNMOVABLE KINGDOM, will shake the HEAVENS and the EARTH of the NATIONS, even because in their * PRESENT CONSTITUTION they are DIRECTLY FRAMED to the INTEREST OF ANTICHRIST, which by notable advantage at their FIRST MOULDING, and CONTRIVED INSINVATIONS ever since, hath so riveted itself into the very FUNDAMENTALS of them, that no digging or Mining, without an EARTHQVAKE will cast up the FOUNDATION * What, call you them foundation stones? stones thereof, because as is their interest, so is their acting, the present powers of the Nations stands in DIRECT OPPOSITION to the bringing in of the KINGDOM OF CHRIST. Again, Page 27. of that Sermon. Are not most Potentates tied by OATH, or OTHER COMPACT, to maintain either the WHOLE, or some part of the OLD TOWER, under the Vid. Art. 35. Government. Reader compare these expressions with the late transactions. name of RIGHT OF HOLY CHURCH, Prelates, and the like? And can any expect that such as these should take up the DESPISED QUARREL OF THE SAINTS, against that FLOURISHING QUEEN? Doubtless NO SUCH FRUIT WILL GROW ON THESE TREES, before they are THROUGHLY SHAKEN. All carnal Interests will doubtless be shaken with that of Babylon. Many of God's people are not weaned from the things that are seen. No sooner is one CARNAL FORM SHAKEN OUT, but they are ready to CLEAVE TO ANOTHER; Yea to warm themselves in the FEATHERED NESTS OF UNCLEAN * Is it not so at this day. BIRDS. All fl●shly Dominion within doors, and all Civil Dominion that opposeth without doors, shall be shaken. Now these things are so glued also to men's earthly possessions, the talons of the birds Who are those birds of prey, unless the soldier, pries● and lawyer? of prey having firmly seized on them, that THEY also must be shaken with them. Reader consider these expressions of Mr. Owen's seriously, and then tell me whether he had not a good guess of what we have seen since the preaching of these Sermons, come to pass. I presume Mr. Tho. Goodwin and himself, etc. little thought then, that their own words should now have been brought in testimony against them. But, the heart of man is deceitful above all things. Now that this shaking here spoken of, is not to be taken in Mr. Owen's sense, p. 14. of that Sermon, (where he saith, It is not a destruction, or total amotion of the great things of the Nations, but a change, translation, or new moulding of them, that is here intimated; they shall (says he) be shuffled together, * Not altogether, it seems. almost into their primitive confusion, and come out new moulded for the interest of the Lord Jesus. Again, all the present States of the world are cemented together by Antichristian lime, etc. that unless they be so shaken, as to have every cranny searched and brushed, they will be no quiet Note the Brush. habitation for the Lord Christ and his People) I thus answer: 1. In that the holy Ghost speaking of the time wherein these things shall be accomplished, (as in Isa. 65. 17.) saith, Behold, I create new heavens, and a new earth; (Mark) and the former shall not be remembered nor come into mind. And Rev. 21. 1. I saw a new heaven, and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away. If then they are so to pass away, as not to be remembered, nor come into Gods nor his people's minds, how are they in the least to be retai●ed? Is it the intent of God in that text, think you, only to pull down the Titles of Kings, and to set up a Title of Protector in stead thereof; or to pull down Bishops, and set behold Mr. Owen's new heaven and new earth. up a Scoteh Synod, or Court of Tryers, in stead thereof? Is that your brush, whereby the Antichristian lime is to be taken away? I am sure, the holy Ghost speaking of the destruction of Babylon, Isai. 13. 19 etc. saith, that it shall be as when God over threw Sodom and Gom●rrha, that it shall NEVER be inhabited nor dwelled in, from generation to generation, etc. as also, that he will not make use of one stone thereof either for a Foundation-stone, or a Cornerstone, but to be an everlasting desolation. Jer. 51. 25, 26. And yet it seems he would have the whole fabric to stand, only the crannies thereof to be searched, & the lime only to be brushed off. The old Tower (he mentioned) it seems is not Babylonish; no, it is only the lime or mortar wherewith it is daubed together. A very Scholastical Exposition! And thus have I laid down some of the Grounds and Reasons why we desire the subversion of whatsoever is of Man, either in our Civils or Spirituals, unless in things circumstantial, as dependencies upon the Statutes. Judgements, and Ordinances of Jehovah the Lord Christ; and that from the testimony of the holy Scripture, which we take to be sufficient to persuade all that are real Christians, to own, embrace, and put in practice: and consequently, that whosoever pretendeth that they are Christians, and yet refuse so to do, do thereby clearly declare themselves notorious hypocrites, as also professed ex●mies to Jehovah the Lord Christ, and that by his own attestation, Luke 19 27. Speech. And perhaps would bring in the Judaical Law, in stead of our known laws, and settled among us. Resp. I had thought the Laws of God had been as well known unto those that profess themselves God's people, as any other Laws whatsoever, yea, above all other Laws whatsoever; and especially by such an one as accounteth himself to be a father to the family of God's people. I remember, it was a duty incumbent upon fathers of particular families in the Israel of God, to teach the Laws, Statutes, and Judg●●●ats of Jehovah diligently unto their children, and to talk of them, when they sat in their houses, and when they walked by the way, and when they lay down, and when they risen up; and to bind them for signs upon their hand and as frontlets between their eyes; and to write them upon the posts of their houses, and on their gates. Deut. 6. 6, 7, 8, etc. I read, it was also the custom of their Magistrates to instruct the people in the said Laws; as in Neb. 8. 1, 2, 3, etc. It is also said of godly David, that the Laws of God were his meditation day and night; and that he desired them more than gold, yea then much fine gold * Then the king of Spain's gold in the Indieses. ; yea, that they were sweeter un●● him then honey, or the honeycomb. And therefore I admire to hear one so seemingly-eminent, to plead a greater knowledge to the Laws of Heathens and Antichristians. Yea, I appeal to any Rational man whatsoever, whether any man would be thought to be in his wits, to give those Characters to the known Laws of England, (as he is pleased to term them, though I think they were never yet defined) as David hath done to the Laws of God. And if not, than I desire to know, whether of the two ought to be best known unto us, and put i● practice by us; or why the Law of Nature ought not to be the Rule and Square of natural actions: which that the Judicial Law is, is clearly proved from Rom. 2. 14. For when the Gentiles that knew not the Law, did by nature the things contained in the Law, these having not the Law, are a Law unto themselves, which sh●w the works of the Law written in their hearts, their consciences also bearing them witness, and their thoughts in the mean time accusing or excusing one another. And what other Law was this he speaketh of, than the Law of God? Again, what other Law was the old world judged by, than the aforesaid law of Nature? Doubtless they were not condemned and executed by the righteous Judge of all the world, (Gen. 11. 25.) without a Law; and is it to be conceived that he would judge by any other Law then his own? and was that Law (as to the Civil part thereof) ever yet repealed by God or Christ? Nay, doth not the Lord Christ tell us himself, that he came not to destroy the Law? Matth. 5. 17, 18, 19 Yea, so far was he from so doing, as that contrariwise he affirmeth, that whosoever should break the least of them, and teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. I would gladly know then, by what authority from God, any that account themselves Christians do make Laws for their fellow-servants and subjects: yea, is it not clearly evident, that by so doing, they usurp the Authority and Power of Christ the alone Lawgiver? And if but one, than not two or more. Yea, do they not, by so doing, d●thro●e and degrade the Lord Jesus of his Legislatorship and Judicature, which the Father hath given unto him? Joh. 5. 22. Isa●. 9 6. Dan. 7. 13, 34. 1 Tim. 6. 13, 14, 15. Rev. 11. 15. and 17. 14. and 19 11, 16. Indeed, were I at Constantinople, I should not much wonder if the Great ●urk and his Mahometan Clergy should question me for what I have said in reference to the law of God: but to hear a Christian Magistrate, etc. contaminate the laws of God, and magnify the laws of Heathens and Antichristians above them, is to admiration. But I hope it will not be so for the future. And hence it was, that godly David complaineth of such persons, saying, How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked. Selah. Psal. 82. 2, etc. Again, saith he, They know not, neither do they understand; they walk in darkness. Again, Solomon speaking to the whole pack of those Magistrates that contaminate the Laws of God, in chap. 6. of his book titled Wisdom, saith, Hear, O Kings, and understand; learn, ye that are Judges of the earth: give ear, ye that rule the people, and glory in the multitude of nations: for power is given you from the Lord, and sovereignty from the Highest, who shall try your works, and search your counsels. Because, being ministers of his kingdom, ye have not judged aright, nor kept the law, nor walked after the counsel of God; horribly and speedily will he come upon you: for a sharp judgement shall be to them in high places. For mercy shall pardon the MEANEST, but MIGHTY MEN shall be MIGHTILY TORMENTED. For he that is Lord over all, shall fear no man's person, neither shall he stand in awe of any man's Greatness: for he hath made the small and great, and careth for all alike. BUT A SORE TRIAL SHALL COME UPON THE MIGHTY. Unto you therefore, O Kings (saith he) do I speak, that ye may learn wisdom, and not fall away. For they that keep holiness holily, shall be judged holy; and they that have learned such things, shall learn what to answer. Wherefore set your affections upon my words; desire them, and ye shall be instructed. And doubtless, the refusal of such Instructions will be the cause of that HORRIBLE DAY upon the Kings of the earth, and the Great Men, and the Rich Men, and the Chief Captains, and the Mighty Men, Rev. 6. 15. where they are said to hid themselves in the dens and rocks of the mountains, and to say to the Rocks and Mountains, Fall on us, and hid us from the face of him that sitteth upon the throne, and from the face of the Lamb: for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? And me thinks there is very much reason for such a judgement to fall upon them. For are they any more than the Ministers of God, as aforesaid? as also in Rom. 13. 4. And is it possible they should be God's ministers, (as they pretend) whilst they make and execute their own vain Traditions and Inventions? Surely no. And therefore seeing the Judicial Law is that which they are bound in duty and service to administer, as they account themselves Gods ministers, in reference to Civil affairs, why ought not all Kings and Laws (Psal. 7. 10. Zeph. 2. 11.) bow to it, as the only Rule of right judgement? For, as Mr. Aspinwal upon Dan. 7. well observeth, The Laws of men do bind us to be subject to Authority for conscience sake, either actively, in doing what they command according to Christ; or else in suffering. And their Law is satisfied, if we suffer the penalty, to preserve our consciences undefiled: But it is not so with the Law of God. If God command, we may not say, We will suffer the punishment for conscience sake: for there can be no conscience, or pretence of conscience, against any Law of God. And therefore all humane laws ought to be slighted and contemned, as fancies, in comparison of the foresaid Royal law of Jehovah the Lord Christ. Speech. Though now by some mis-applied. Resp. To this clause let Mr. Owen speak for us, in his Sermon upon All the rest were Babylonish and Antichristian. Ezek. 17. 24. page 20, etc. where speaking of mis-applying of things by the Potentates of the world, he saith, That from the corruption of the hearts of men, squaring the works of God to their fleshly reasonings, corrupt interests and principles, they are bold with the wisdom of God, and conclude, Thus and thus things ought to be; ordering their thoughts for the most part according to their corrupt and carnal advantages, etc. And this (saith he) makes them frame a way for God to proceed in; which when he doth not, how are they surprised! Men take up Principles they will adhere unto, wise principles, forsooth, yea, and very righteous too: all things whatsoever must be squared according to their principle; and if any thing be wrought contrary, even by God himself, how disappointed are they! The most tremendous judgement of God in this world, is I wish some one be not now in Pharoahs' then Condition. the hardening the hearts of men: this seals them up, for the most part, for destruction, etc. As for instance: look on Pharaoh, of whom it is most signally spoken, that God hardened his heart. How did the Lord accomplish this? Pharaoh sets himself upon as righteous Principles, as ever any of the sons of men could do: one is, That it belongs to the chief Ruler of a Nation, to s●e the profit and glory of the Nation, etc. Hence he conclude, That if it be incumbent on him to see that the Realm receive no detriment, he must not let the people go. God confirms his heart in this Principle, which was good in itself, but abominable * When done in opposition to the fifth Monarchy , when taken up against the mind and will of God; and whence, he and his perished in their Principles, acting against the appearance of God, etc. Thus it is with many, they fix on Principles good in general, and in their season: Old bounds must not be broken up; Order must not be * Our known Laws must not be spoken against, let them be never so contrary to the Law of God and of Christ. disturbed; let God appear never so eminently, so mightily, they will keep up their Principles: What is this, but judicial hardness? And this, I say, is one reason why the actings of God in such a day as this, are so unsuted with the expectations of men; they square his work to their interests and principles; which it will not answer. Now Reader compare the present work of Christ in the world with the present state of affairs in this Nation, and then judge whether the Fifth Monarchy-men, or their Accuser, be the misappliers he speaketh of: Whether the known laws of Jehovah the Lord Christ, or the known laws of England, be fittest for the fifth Monarchy, or Government of the kingdom of Christ, which he himself hath so long contested for, or at least pretended for, as his Declarations and Remonstrances do clearly evidence. Speech. Especially where every stone is turned to bring in Confusion, this will be worth every Magistrate's consideration. Resp. It were good it were known by whom or how every stone is so turned. If by the Fifth Monarchy-men, let either himself, or any for him, show in what, that we may make our defence thereunto; and let us not be accused and condemned upon jealousies and surmises, or we know not what, through subtlety and cunning suggestions, which the Lord will one day call to an account. Thus Reader hast thou seen the whole body of his Charge against the Fifth Monarchy-men, vanish into nothing: which doubtless will be the event of every weapon that is form against Jesus Christ, or those that are faithful to his interest. Speech. Thi●, I say, will be worthy of the Magistrates consideration. Resp. It will be so indeed, and therefore it was worthy of a double remembrance. For it is certain, that all the present powers of the earth are now at the stake; and therefore such of them as are selfended men, covetous, proud, etc. had need to look about them; for doubtless the STONE cut out without hands, is growing into such a Mountain as will fill the whole earth; and that even to the breaking in pieces and consuming all their Kingdoms, whether they be Iron, Day, Brass, Silver, or Gold: yea, so to break them in pieces, as to make them like unto the chaff of the summer threshing-floor▪ yea, the wind of the wrath of the Almighty shall so carry them away, as that there shall no place be found for them, Dan. 2. Again, the rest of the Magistrates that are not such, (if there be any) ought also doubtless to consider seriously hereof, as also to compare the present Laws of the Nation with the Laws of God. For, as Mr. Aspinwal saith, If the laws of God (contained in the holy Scriptures) be well weighed in the balance of the Sanctuary, it will appear to be the most safe and wholesome Government in the world. For what can be imagined to be more safe, then to have Saints, and such as walk with God, and God with them, to administer judgement and justice according to those perfect laws? And if the Laws be perfect, and such as administer them be Saints by calling, and have a promise of divine assistance, how can it but be more safe, then to embrace imperfect and undurable Laws, such as some make, and others null, at pleasure, according to the fancies and humours of those in present Power and Authority, as daily experience teacheth; as also, to have such to execute those Laws, as have not the like promise of divine assistance. Besides, the Experiences of many Ages do show, that the want of the laws of God, and faithful Administrators, hath hitherto been the ruin of all the States and Governments in those four Monarchies, and will shortly be their eternal desolation. Dan. 2. 44. and 7. 26. Again, that saying of Moses, Deut. 4. 5. is also well worthy their serious contemplation; where speaking to the then-peculiar people of God, touching the excellency of the Law of God, their King, which he had received, to administer unto them, saith, Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgements, even as the Lord my God commanded me that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it. Keep therefore and do them: for this is your w●●dom and your understanding in the sight of the Nations, which shall hear those statutes, and say, Surely this great Nation is a wise and understanding people. For what Nation is there so great, that hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is, in all things that we call upon him for? And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgements so righteous, as all this Law which I set before you this day? I shall now conclude with Mr. Owen's expressions in p. 39 of his Sermon upon H●b. 12. 27. O that it were the will of God to put an end to all that pretended holiness, hypocritical humiliation, self-interested Religion, that have been among us! whereby we have slattered God with our lips, whilst our hearts have been far from him. O that it might suffice, that we have had in our Parliament, and among our Ministers, so much of the form, and so little of the power of Godliness; that we have called world Christ, and lust Christ, and self Christ; working indeed for them, when we pretended all for Christ. O that in you might appear the Reality of the kingdom of the Lord Jesus, which hath been so long pretended by others; that sound righteousness, not a Pharisaical, rigid, superstitious affectation, nor a careless belief and comportment, the issue of novel fancies, might be found upon your spirits; that we may be thought meet to rejoice with the Lord in his kingdom. Psal. 107. 43. Whoso is wise, will ponder these things, and they shall understand the loving kindness of the Lord. FINIS.