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 CONVERSATIONS 
 
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 OFFIOE OF SPONSORS FOR IKFANTS, 
 
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 THE USE OF THE 
 
 SIGN OF Tl CRO!i!i IN BMW 
 
 BY 
 
 REV. WILLIAM BELT, M.A 
 
 
 '•Cttiiany man forbid water, tbat these should not be 
 baptized."? Acts x, 47. 
 
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 DIOCESE OF TORONTO. 
 
 
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 Note. — The aim of this treatise is to present the more 
 vsaal objections, with their answers, in a readable form. 
 Those who wish for fuller satisfaction, may consult the 
 works of Hooker, Wall, Waterland, &c , &c , as well as 
 more modern works, " Loutron," " The Sacrament of Re- 
 sponsibility," "Mercy to Babes," &c., &c. 
 
CONVERSATION I. 
 
 Clergyman — Good morniog, Mr. Newcome. I am Mr. ■ 
 the Church of England minister here. I have heard that you 
 are a member of the Church, come to reside in this parish, and 
 have called to make your acquaintance. 
 
 Mr. Newcome^^Thank you, Sir. I belong to the Church of 
 England, but since I came out. seven years ago, I have lived 
 much of the time in places where I had not the opportunity of 
 fkttsnding church. 
 
 Clergyman — That was unfortunate; but now that you have 
 the opportunity, I hope you wiil improve it. You and your 
 wife were, I donbt not, bantized and conBrmed before yon left 
 the old coantry ? 
 
 Mr. N.— Yes, Sir. 
 
 Clergyman — Then I will hope to see you both, not only at 
 the public worship of the Lord's House, but with due prepara- 
 tion at the Lord's Supper also (Cor. xi 1 28). Have your little 
 ones been baptized ? 
 
 Mr. N.— The two oldest were baptized before we left homei 
 but we have four more, born in this country, that have not been 
 baptized ? 
 
 Clergymaa — I am sorry to hear that. A sacrament of so 
 much grace and blessing (Mark xvi. IG, Acts ii. 38, zxii. 16, 
 6al. iii. 27, kc, &c.) should not be neglected; but I suppose it 
 was want of opportunity, not neg'lect, that prevented their 
 baptism. 
 
 Mr. N. — I can hardly say so, Sir. There were times when I 
 might have had it done. But you know that in America it i» 
 not thought of much consequence whether children be baptized 
 or net. 
 
 Clergyman — I know that there are too many persons, both 
 heie and elsewhere, who speak slightingly of infant baptism, bat 
 can anything be unimportant which the Lord hath appointed ? 
 (Matt, zzviii. 19.) 
 
 Mr. N.— 'But some think that there is no authority for baptiiiog [ 
 infiuitf. ; 
 
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 Clergyman— Is there any Scripture authority forbiddioflr 
 infant baptism 7 Dil our Sariour, when he bude his diaciples 
 " baptise all nations," say, <' excepting little infants ?" 
 
 Mr. N.— No. 
 
 Clergyman— Would not his disciples then feel authorized to do 
 as they had seen done ? They had seen Jewish children circum- 
 cised at 8 days old, and so admitted into the Church of God > 
 would they not probably admit the young children of Christians 
 into the Church of God by baptism, the Christian substitute for 
 circumciaion. They had seen the children of converts to Judaism 
 baptized with their parents ; would they have any doubt that 
 the children of converts to Christianity should be baptized also ? 
 Nay, they had heard the Lord say, " Suffer the little children to 
 come unto me, and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom 
 of heaven," could they hesitate to believe that children may be 
 fit subjects of God's Church, or Kingdom, on earth? 
 
 Mr. N, — But is there any proof that the Apostles did baptize 
 infants ? 
 
 Clergyman — There is proof that they baptized whole families 
 without excepting infants; as for instance, Lydia and her house- 
 hold (Acts xvi. 15), the Jailor and all his (ver. 33), and the 
 household of Stephanos (1 Cor. i. 16). The fact that the Gospel 
 was then a " new thing" in the world, and bad 5rst to convince 
 adults that it came from God, sufficiently accounts for our only 
 reading at first of children baptized in families. A fterwards 
 when children were born to parents who were Christians al- 
 ready, they were baptized by themselves. Justyn Martyr and 
 Ireneus, of the 2nd centuary; Tertullian, Origen and Cyprian, of 
 the 3rd, and Gregory Nazian'cen and Chrysostom, of the 4th — 
 all testify to the universal prevalence of infant baptism. 
 
 Mr. N. — To tell you the truth, Sir, I have scarcely a doubt 
 myself (especially after what you have said) about the authority 
 for infant baptism, but I am not so clear about the office of 
 sponsors, which our baptismal service plainly requires. 
 
 Clergyman — The Church seems in the first place to have de- 
 rived the office of sponsors from the custom of the Jews. See 
 the account of the circumcision of John the Baptist (Luke i. 59- 
 63), where the coming together of kinsfolks and friends to cir- 
 cumcise the child is spoken of as if it had been a common custom. 
 It was a custom as old, indeed, as the time of Isaiah (viii. 2), if, 
 with many learned divines, we consider the witnesses there 
 tpoken of as witnesses of the child's circumcision. And Buxtorf 
 in hit work on the Jewish Synagogue, tells us that the Jews at 
 
the circumcifioa of an infant had, besides the pareats, a witness 
 or instructor. The same witness, or witnesses, according to 
 Dr. Lightfoot, were required at the baptism of Proselytes. 
 Following such example and authority, the primitire Christians 
 had sponsors for infants at baptism, as Hyginus and Augustino 
 testify; and this custom, followed universally for many centu- 
 ries, has also the approbation of the Bohemian, French Pro- 
 testant, Dutch Reformed, and other Churches on the Continent 
 of Europe. (See Falloon's Apostolic Church, page 243, &c.) 
 
 Mr. N. — I can readily admit, even if there were no authority 
 such as you adduce, that the Church has power to appoint any 
 office or ceremony which she may think conducive to piety, so 
 long as nothing be done contrary to Scripture, but what is the 
 advantage of the office of sponsors 7 
 
 Clergyman — In times of persecution (1) it provides for the 
 religious instruction of children in case of the flight, banish- 
 ment, imprisonment, or death of their parents; and it gives ad- 
 ditional security and attestation to the profession of the Chris- 
 tian rrligion. At all times (2) it supplies means whereby 
 infants, the sick, the dumb, and all who are unable to answer 
 for themselves, may be admitted into the Christian covenant by 
 virtue of an undertaking made for them by their sureties. It 
 establishes a special relationship to see to the religious instruc- 
 tion of children in case of the death of their parents, or their 
 incompetence or neglect; and it provides witnesses and remem- 
 brancers of the Christian profession of those who are able to 
 answer for themselves. 
 
 Mr. N. — So far as your reasons go, the office seems useful 
 and expedient ; but is it ever in practice found so useful ? Do 
 sponsors generally fulfil their duties ? I have known many, 
 who seemed neither to be religious themselves, nor to care for 
 the religion of others, and they certainly never interested them- 
 selves in the religious instruction of iheir godchildren. 
 
 Clergyman — What you say is no doubt true, and greatly to be 
 lamented, but if the office itself is a useful one, we ought not to 
 abo ish it because some do not fulfil the duties of it. Our aim 
 should be to have it better understood and more faithfully carried 
 out. Some blame, I fear, most be attached to parents in 
 choosing irreligious persons as sponsors for their children ; 
 whereas, if they would comply with the Church's rule, and 
 choose none but communicants for that office, there would be less 
 objectian on this score. While too many sponsors a.e utterly 
 
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 otreless of their da ties, there are some, on the other haad, 
 faithful and conseienitcus, who alwajs, as in datj bonnd, maiO' 
 tain a watchful interest orer the religious well-being of their 
 godchildren, and commend them daily in their prayers to Qod's 
 continued grace and blessing. 
 
 Mr. N. — It seems to me, Sir, in this view, that the sponsor's 
 office is a very weighty one. I would hardly lilce to undertake 
 it for the child of another, and therefore I would shrink from 
 asking another to undertake it for mine. 
 
 Glergyman — Qod forbid, my friend, that you should under- 
 estimate the office of the sponsorship. It is a useful and im- 
 portant one; but is it too weighty to be undertaken 7 Some 
 person, in case of the parents' death or inability, should care tor 
 the child's spiritual interests; and why should you decline so 
 charitable a work ? If the orphan's temporal afifairs required a 
 guardian, there would be no lack of friends or relatives to look 
 after his temporal interests, and is it not as necessary that some 
 one should look after his spiritual and eternal interests ? Is the 
 child's soul to be exposed to danger because no one will care for 
 it ? Shame on those professing Christians who would willingly 
 be guardians for a child in temporal matters, but will not be 
 guardians for it in spiritual things ! 
 
 Mr. N. — But the promises, as I understand them, are beyond 
 my ability. I cannot answer for any child renouncing sin, be- 
 lieving Ood, and keeping His commandments. I can hardly 
 answer for myself, much less for another. 
 
 Glergyman — That objection arises from a misunderstanding of 
 the sponsor's duty. The sponsor is only the child's mouthpiece 
 in making the engagement. The transaction is between Christ 
 and the infant, the minister being Christ's agent, and the sponsor 
 the infant's. And as what the minister says, he says on behalf 
 of Christ, 80 what the sponsor says, he says on behalf of the 
 child. In every baptism it is the child, and not the sponsor 
 that is bound by the promises. 
 
 Mr. N.->But what, then, is the use of the sponsor's answers? 
 
 Clergyman — As every man is bound to believe and to do as 
 God directs, whether he promise it or not, the answers do Bot 
 add anything to the child's obligations. But their use is to ex- 
 press the nature of the Christian covenant, God in that covenant 
 promising certain blessings on condition of certain duties ta l>e 
 performed by man. It is to do for the unconscious child what 
 you would do for a dumb adult, who, being unable to 
 
■peak, made a coTCDant and promlied for his own advantage, 
 through yonr mouth. It is to set baptism in its true light before 
 Christians, as representing to them their profession, and remind- 
 ing them of their obligations; and to keep before sponsors the 
 great object of their office, which is to see that ** the infant be 
 taught, so soon as lie shall be able to learn, what a solemn 
 vow, promise and profession he hath made in that sacrament* 
 to " call upon him to hear sermons, and chiefly to provide that 
 he may learn the creed, the Lord's Prayer, and the Ten Oom- 
 mandments, and all other things which a Christian ought to 
 know and believe to his sours health." And now, will you 
 think over our conversation, and let me know your impressions 
 of it when we meet again ? We can resume the subject then if 
 you are not quite satisfied. I trust you will find your residence 
 here pleasant and profitable in the best sense of the words. 
 Oood bye ! 
 
 Mr. N.~Good bye, Sir, iind [ thank you for your good wishes. 
 I will certainly think over again carefully all that you have 
 said. 
 
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 CONVERSATION 11. 
 
 SIGN OF THE CROSS. 
 
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 Mr. N. — I am glad to see jou agrain so soon. Since yoar last 
 yisit my wife and \ bare otton talked about the baptism of our 
 children, and I was able te repeat to her the substance of our 
 conversation. It has greatly settled our minds in this matter. 
 We were not aware before that such good reasons could bb 
 assigned for the office of sponsors. 
 
 Glergy man— There is no doubt, that these reasons were con- 
 vincing to our forefathers, when, at the Reformation, they or- 
 dered BO ancient and useful an office to be retained in the Church. 
 It has come down to us, approved and practised by the Church 
 of the New Testament from Apo3tolic times, and commended to 
 oUi" observance not only by the Church of England, but by 
 nearly all the Reformed Churches on the continent of Europe, 
 us well as by the Roman and Greek Churches. Its inherent use- 
 fulness and advantages have been acknowledged by good and 
 wise men of every age. If it were nothing more than providing 
 a substitute who, in case of the death, neglect, or incompetence 
 of parents, would see after the religious well-being of their 
 children, no unprejudiced person could reasonably object to it. 
 
 Mr. N.— I must honestly say, sir, that your arguments as re- 
 gards sponsors are satisfactory and convincing io my mind ; 
 but there is still another point on which I have felt scruples,— 
 that is the use of the sign of the cross in baptism. 
 
 Clergyman—- 1 do not wonder that you have felt scruples 
 'Concerning it, cousidering the superstitious uses to which some 
 have put the cross ; but if the sign be useful and edifying, why 
 deprive ourselves of the proper use of it on that account ? 
 
 Mr. N. — Well, sir, it seems to me to be adding a device of 
 man to an ordinance of God. 
 
 Clergyman — If the human device were put in place of the 
 Divine Ordinance, or on an eqnality with it, there would be 
 
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 reftfoti in your objection. But aucb is not the caie. The bap* 
 tism if complete in aII essentiftle before, and the sign followi 
 afterwarids, eimplj as an emblem of the Gbristian faith, to 
 which the baptised is pledged, — "in tolcen that hereafter h* 
 shall not be ashamed of the faith of Ohrist crucified," Ac. Tout 
 argumeut would forbid the use of anything in baptism except 
 the bare words of Obi'u^t; even the prayers and other services, 
 that have been added for the more solemn and edifying cele- 
 bration of the sacrament. Nay, it would forbid public worship 
 altogether, since prayers and ceremonies of men's devising, 
 form a necessary part of every Christian service. 
 
 Mr. N.— Is there any good reason or authority for the ujt of 
 tiiis sign ? 
 
 Clergyman — Its use is grounded not only on the appropriate- 
 ness of the sign itself, as an emblem of the Christian religion, 
 but also on what we conceive to be the spirit of such passages 
 as those :— **Whoso doth not bare his cross, and come after me, 
 cannot be my disciple," (Luke XIV 27), and, "God forbid that 
 I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ," Ac., 
 (Qal. VI 14.) "The cro^s" here means of course "trials and 
 sufferings," — any self-deaials, reproaches, pains or sorrows, 
 which we are called on to bear for Jesus's sake. In token of 
 this obligation of theirs, and ol their willingness to suffer for 
 Christ, the early Christians adopted the sign of the Cross, and 
 60 far from from being ashamed of it, amid the reproaches of 
 iheir enemies, they gloried in it, "rejoicing that they were 
 counted worthy to suffer shame for his name." As, therefore, 
 Christians are described as "sealed" for Christ, (2 Cor. I 22 
 Eph. I, 13, Rev. VII, 3, 4, &c.,) and as having his name or mark 
 on their forehead, (Rev. XXII, 4), and as masters and generals 
 anciently marked the foreheads of their servants and soldiers 
 with their names or marks, that it might be known to whom 
 they belonged, so the Church in all ages has adopted the sign 
 of the cross, as an appropriate emblem of Christianity, to mark 
 all those who become in baptism the servants and soldiers of 
 Christ. It was in allusion to this, that the ancient fathers called 
 the sign of the cross, "The Lord's Siguet/' or the "Lord's 
 Seal." 
 
 Mr. N. — Yet surely, it is not the cross on our foreheads, but 
 in our hearts, that arms us with faith, patience, constancy, and 
 courage. 
 
 Clergyman — So in effect, said St. Paul, "Neither is that cir- 
 
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 eumcisioD, which is outward in the fleeh ; but circumeinioD— if 
 that of the heart, in the spirit and not in the letter/' Ac. Yet 
 circumcision was ordained by God as a sign of the obligation of 
 the Jew io circumcise bis heart. And the sign of the cross may, 
 in like manner, impress upon us our obligation to "crucify the 
 flesh, with its affections and lusts." We are naturally more im- 
 pressed by signs and act£>, than by words alone. And so in alf 
 societies, the ceremony of initiation is usually accompanied by 
 the use of signs and emblems, intended to impress on the mem- 
 bers the fact of their membership, and the obligations they are 
 under. 
 
 Mr. N.— But if the early Christians did well to honor the 
 cross, when the cross was despised, should we not do well to 
 abolish the sign, when the cross is worshipped ? Did not Heze- 
 kiah destroy the brazen serpent when it became an object of 
 idolatry? 
 
 Clergyman— Observe that the material crosf, and the fign of 
 the cross, are too different things, and the abuse of the one will 
 vot take away the lawful use of the other. We make no use of 
 the material cross in worship ; we merely use the sign to signify 
 that we belong to Christ, the crucified one ; and are bound, a& 
 his disciple, to bear the cross for him, (Luke XIV, 27). Wer 
 place no virtue in its use, and pay no honor to it; we regard it 
 as an impressive sign and nothing else. May we not believe 
 that Hezekiab, who destroyed the image of the serpent, would 
 have retained the sign, if it had been capable of a like-edifying 
 use? 
 
 Mr. N. — Still, sir, for the prevention of possible evil, would 
 it not be right to take it away ? 
 
 Clergyman — It is ceither necessary nor right, nor wise, ta 
 ruu into one extreme for the prevention of another. There is 
 no Christian institution that is not liable to abuse. Take the 
 Lord's Day for example. Perhaps more sin is perpetrated dur- 
 iog its idle hours than upon any other day in the week ; yet no 
 Christian, (even apart from the Divine command), would be 
 willing to give up its sacred rest and worship on account of 
 the abuse to which it is liable. Our best course, and the prin- 
 ciple upon which the Church has proceeded is, to reform the 
 abuses of that which may have a lawful use. For instance, 
 because some men abuse alchohol, should we therefore destroy 
 and abolish it 7 No. It has its uses in medicine and in the 
 Arts. Suppose that some Israeli'.e had proposed to destroy the 
 
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 the gronnd that their fathers had once worshipped a goldea 
 calf, would they not have been justly chidden for their folly f 
 And is it any wiser to take away the ceremony of crossing the 
 forehead in bapdsm, because some have adored a visible cross f 
 
 Mr. N. — Tour explanations have gone far to remove my 
 scruples, which I now perceive were mistaken ones ; and I shall 
 certainly no longer regard the use of the sign of the cross in 
 baptism with aversion, since, rightly understood, it tends to 
 profit and edification. But, why has the church not explained 
 her views on this point 7 
 
 Clergy man-'-That she has done, as I will now show you. JB 
 the note at the end of the office for public baptism o 
 she says : "To take away all scruple concerning the use of the 
 sign of the cross in baptism ; the true explanation thereof, and 
 the just reasons for the retaining of it, may be seen in the 30th 
 «anon, first published in the year 1604." The 30th canon eaters 
 at length into this explanation ; but the chief reasons for re- 
 taining the sign are summed up in this extract, which I will 
 leave with you : — 
 
 *<First — The Church of England, since the abolishing of Popery, 
 hath ever held and taught, and so doth hold Und teach, that 
 the sign of the cross used in Baptism, is no part of the substance 
 <of that sacrament ; for when the Minister dipping the infant ia 
 water, or laying water upon the face of it, (as the manner also 
 is), hath pronounced those words, 'I baptize thee in the name 
 of the Father, and of the Son, aad of the Holy Ghost," the in- 
 fant is fully and perfectly baptized. So the sign of the cross 
 being afterward used, doth neither add anything to the virtue 
 and perfection of baptism, nor, being omitted, doth detract any- 
 thing trom the effect and substance of it." 
 
 "Secondly — It is apparent in the Communion Book, that the 
 Infant baptized, is by virtue of baptism, before it is signed with the 
 sign of the cross, received into the congregation of Christ's flock 
 as a perfect member thereof, and not by any power ascribed unto 
 the sign of the cross. So that tor the very remembrance of the 
 •cross, which is very precious to all them that rightly believe in 
 Jesus Christ, and in the other respects mentioned, the Church of 
 England hath retained still the sign of it in baptism ; following 
 therein the Primitive and Apostolical Churches, and accounting 
 it a lawful, outward ceremony and honorable badge, whereby 
 the infant is dedicated to the service of Him that died upon the 
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 "Lastly— The use of the sign <. >*" vho cross ia baptism, beiQg 
 tbas purged from all Popish superstitions and error, and reduced 
 in the Obarch of Lagland to the priniary institution of ii, npoa 
 those true rules of doctrine concerning things indififercnt, which 
 are consonant to the Word of Qod, f.nd the judgment of all the 
 ancient Fathers, we hold it the part of every private man, both 
 Minister and other, reverently to retain the true use of it pres- 
 cribed by public authority: considering that things of them - 
 selves indifferent do in some sort alter their natures, whet* 
 they are either commanded or forbidden by a lawful magistrate; 
 and may not be omitted at every man's pleasure contrary to the 
 law, when they be commanded, nor used when they are pro- 
 hibited."— XXX Canon. 
 
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