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A Paper given at tl.e AMUiial Meeting cf tlie Manit.. ha Central Planners' Institute held in Brandon .>n .Inly ITtli. l«tli and nttli. 1H!»4. BRANDON 18i)4. WAT|.:k THANsH.KTATfO.V AN., FK,,,,,,,-,. ,,.,,,,, i<v .;.\.\ii;s FisHKi}, M. |.. |.. Mk. Pkks,„knt, LA,.n.;s am. (;KNr,,,MKx,_. The (|ut'8tiun as to li,,u- tlic .lis-i.lv.u.f »'t" ^v.at cost of tmnsportMti , 1; ' -'' '■"''"."^' ^''•""' consideration of u, p I • ''"'!',S''^ *'' ^^'"'"-(ol.a. TIi. t'.utcostnK.vna;;;:i,irl:^:2:,,i;:r;tr'''''^*'^''^'^^^ yu with ul.id, you,, ''x . 5^^''", "'^■•^••'*"'" to address p-p-e. witi.yo,;^- kind k:^)"^:.. ;''";•'■*■'' /"^' '^ '^ ■"^■ I'i^' the effeet of water t-nU 1 •'''''" '"^*^ t'^i^'''"(- *"''<-'"ffl't rates, a„d t ft ,r '''"''''''• ''' ^''" '■^■'I'H'tion of P"-"-''- -tent, take a.Ka:tl;:.::!;Vi;"^ ""^^'•^" tJK. p..atest '" ^''^' P-t l.ee„ nee on 1 ' V r; " '^" ''*"y'^^ ^'"'^ '-•- ,^n-eat lakes and rivers It /' "" "V)'."^ ""•' "'iH^^ino tl,n Atlantic, a.., to an';:;,i:;n;i:e'^^^ tliat.nay, I l,e|i,.ve, Ir attain.,] I Tr . ^'"' ^'^ ''t^r r.-sults tl'*-*' channels, as w df s v '/ V' ""'"" ""P'"^'"'^'i't of in<Ieed he feasihie, h. , 1^ „. I' ^ 7^ " "'i"^-^^'"". i^ ^.eh ••""' fli<' Xo.-tlnvest. ' *""' ^''^' P'-O'Hsof Manitoha ;'->n!Hn;;::;;:;:l^n::;;^:j:;;;;-;^,p^^^^^ .iwen on the tlH' way f,.on, the Atlantic filV ■ u' .ril'^'?' '•^'^'''"^ -" 'ttosay that in no other e.a.n rv I '" '■■^'^'■•'^' '^"ffice ■such immense hodies of h^ !.^ "''''• ^''," ■^"" "'■•' t'ound '"^•'-.y rorthecurna^.of its pnilV '"'"""'"' ""^•■-' . '.'"'t our minds mav he luvr.ared (,. c tlH-ir lUM.iense valuef,,r"trn,s,.. V ''"' "*""^- "'^'a of "»^ the An.erican and .mi 'y .IT J'":''!'-^ ^" ^he poopl. vyebe reu.inded of the is ' " ' 'V-'r'' ' ' ''^ "•'^-If"! that tl.o interior of this c ntine t T. ," '''''^^'^^ '"to -Hterly point on the .r': hll.s and'^Kenelt'^rtt "'^^^^ e point lOHT RATES. ^■f arising, p,.,„„ (■fCOlllc is („!,. ,jf iMfUiitoliji. Tlie ''lis oF I'nliiciiio '*', its out' dl' (ii^. fiistitnt*' at its 'ilion to a<)(Ij(.ss '' "It--, it is my \' facts ovidctie- "' I't'fllK'tioil ol" « to tilt' IllC-ilis " f'n' ^'ivutest 't ii'V ivriKU'ks •^'ilts tli.it have i«l mU\//ui^ tin; '><i\ with tJie ^I'fitec )csnlts "I'rovciiit.Dt ol" eetiou, if siiol) '^■^<>\' Manitolia •'^v.ll on the '•'^, lea<Iiii^r all ■'^'-«. Suffice "" Hi'e found in any other icent natui-al ■■^oiiie idea of t" the jieople "t't'.lful that ■"^ti't'tch into "« the iiirst as th(> point ( where we h.iye the oc.an to enter the (iulf of St. [.awrence, ' vve have tlie lolio\viii<f distances ; — Miles. From Liverpool to Duluth 4,(ii,s .. .. Belle IhIc 2,i;i4 „ Belle Isle to J)nluth 2;'<S4 So that the distance fion, the h.-ad of th.- lakes to th.' foot of the(,ult IS irn.ater l.y a hundn.l and Hftv miles than that across tlw Atlantic to J.iv.Tpool. And for-fhe wholr of this nnn.ens.. stretch (.f nearly two thousand f.mr hundrcl n.il.'s with the exception of sevellty-th ive miles, we hav ,meii' '"'«"'|""l'''l navigation. Thronohoiit that .seveiitv- three I'liles natural ol.structions had t.. he overcome l,v the construction of canals, as follows: The St. I.awrrnee sxstcni . .. Wellari.l CanaL ....... „ Sault Ste Marie ( 'anal . „ St. Clair Flats dianiiel Miles. 2(i^ Before s[)eal<!n;;-of the immense volume of trade carried over these waters m recent years, it tnav Im- interestiiK- just to refer to tlie ri.se and early historv of tiiat traffic I n"e.-d do no more, however, than recall a few dates. The first white man to enter the St. [v.wivie- was tie- o-.vat Frenchman, .)ac.|UesCartirr, in l.-,:U. I M!(),S, Champlain lan.led at Quehec, and rs!al,|ished a s.-ttlem nt there. Seven years later found the .same mtiTpid adventurer as far west as Lake Huron. In lii4i. two JMvncli missionaries made their way as tar as St. Marys Falls : and, .srveiiteen vears later, two French traders ventured on the .,cean-Iike expanse of Lake Superior. Hitherto these voyages were made in canoes and l.atteaux ^o .sadinu- vessel had yet venture,] on the ^n-eat inlan<l lakes Ihehrstship that sprea-l its whit.' wind's to the l.reeze on these \\aters was a, .schooner (.f ten tons, hnilt at Kin-'ston in bpiKM- Canada, in HITS, hy La Salle and Father H-nnepin in which they .sailed over Lake Ontario and up to the foot of the pvat catai-act on the Xia^^ara river. Here thev left their iM.at .;n.i ,oo,„a or, toot to a point al.ove the falLsl; thev laiilt au<] launche.l, m J .;!l. the first vess.d that ever floated 'on the waters ot Lake Krie. In 1755, over seventy-five years afte-- the first little craft was put on these waters, two ve.ssels of sixty tons l.urden were put on Lake Ontario: and, comin<r -I <l()\vn fit'tv-fivc yi'ius later, in LSI I, ii;st'Ii<M)tR'i- of tin- nipiicity ^''"" of II liumhcd tons WHS l.iiilt at Oswcffo, uii that lake. An ^'">iiij idea of tlu! lake tnulf in tlu-su early days may Le fi»iine<l I'lkex from the faet that, in the whole of the year IMli, the total ^•'t'/^i tonnafre carried on Kake Krie, inelndiiie' that handled at ^'-^ t'' Detroit, was hut '2,Wu tons. So, far, there were iKiiH' hnt sailiii<,' \essels, Hnl now a new power \va^ to take the place of the hree/es of heaven. Jn I.SI7, the first steamer that ever sailed the lakes une of two hundred and forty ton^ hurden was placeil on the waters of Ontaiio: and the very next yeai- saw a steamer launched on l.nke Krie. This vi''ss.-l tiailed L.tween I'.idl'ali. and Detriot, ooin^r down the Niii^-ara rivei^ a little distance in lier eastward tri|)s. To make the return trip against the ratht'r swift current of the stream, the steam power, with the l»rindtive apjiliances then in use, was found icsutlicient, and resort was had to what was known as a "honied l.reeze." This was created liy hitching oxen to the vc.^.h'I, and they wore made to pull her hack throiieh thu curivnt until she I'oiiched sufhciently near the smooth waters (d" the lake to he safi'lv handled, auinl liowe of !>■ to tlh on th there Ueces' F.»r ; to ca team gre.it l-orta; I v'onsti fcMgo* the A an en( caii.s t irudei in ami m ridicul l)nrpi).'- settlen enterp Down to till' period we have now reached, the lake trade- was practically confined t,) the lower watei's of Krie and Ontfirio. It was not till the ll>th July. ls;U. just sixty years \[','^\^ ago, antl three hundi-ed years after' Cartier* had made his pioneer trip up the St. Lawrenc, that the first vessel from the lower ports reached Chicago. This was the " Illinois," of a hundred tons hurden. As she scaight to make her way from the lake int.) the Chicago river, she struck on a sand har, and tliere iieing, 1 su])pose, no oxen conveiuent wheivwith to ;i,r .n,, provide n " horned hrce/e " to assist her ofl", the whole popu- ic.ii'i.tn lation of till.' place, then a hundred in number, turiie.l out and, ahout with willing hands and a great cheer, triumjdiantly pulled the „,adc ship over the har into the (piiet waters of the sti'eam. This twelve was indeed the day of small things for Chicago, as well as for i„,pi.tu the lake tra the: hut the .same entei'pri.se that was exhilated Xortln hy the citizens of the hud. ling city in lifting the stcaniei- ,*,f the "Illinois" over the hai' in ls;{-t. has characterized them over , Ciiited since, and has lifted the hamlet of that day to form the great U.„terni city of this day, with its proud place in the world of trade ',1,,^!,,,;,, nnd commerce, of enterj)rise and prosperity. nieteil i The first vessel— a fifty ton craft— to plough the waters M'^'t'ii t of Lake Superior, hy way at least of an extension of the "P''"iii,i lake trade in that direction, was launched in l.S.So, although the tra hefore the end of tlie last century the Northwest FuV 'i'l-ading I'mther IHT of tlif capiicity )ii tliut Inkf. All ys iiiay \iv runiictl vnv islli, tlic total i' tliat liaii'llcd at SHcls. Hll( MOW a lii't'i'/fs (if licavi'ii. till' lakfs dill' ol" as placcil on tin- ar sav\' a strainer I iMtwetii lUid'aio a iittit' ilistaiicc in i tii|) fi^'ainst tlir nil ])n\\(r, w itli tlic 111 ii;sntlirii'iit, ami " liuiiii'd lircczi". ' (• vi'sst'l, ami tlicy 1 i-uii't'iit ujitil slic I of till' lake to 111- lii'il, tlic lake trade iters ot' Kric ami U. just sixt\- \'eais ler liad niadi- liis rst \ esse! riDin tlie he ■ Illinois," of a lake her way from )n a sand har, ami •nt whei-ewitli to W, the whole |io|)u- cr, turned out and, lihant'Iy pulled the the stream. This 'a^t,'o, as well as for hat was exhihited ftin<i- the steaniei" ^terized them over to form the ^'I'eat le woi-ld of ti'ade ilough the waters extension of the in 1835, althou^rh iwest Fur 'i'luding n.ipany '.I a.iada, and perhaps also the HudHon IJuy u.npany, had ittJe vessels sail in;; on this ..vatest of all the I'k-. ludeed, Mr. T. C. K....reP, the rniinent Canadian n^ineer, ,n a recent most interesting^ ,„i,,.., „„ t,,,. ,,^,„^, j,.„^ ;,';;:'•,"; ''^the,e was ,,l..t..da loek canal of ihiv.. """''•••I »••'/. ""- "" /'"' • ""^"li"" ^i'l- "f the Sault. a work l.mv.^ver.whieh was destroyed l,y the .Vmerieans in the wa.: f ; :: f 'V.'^^.^"",'-^ "'!•■'• th.' extension of the lake trade t . V'te,,s., I.akeM.peno,.,,n I S-T.. the mini,.;: operations ..the south shore were opened, audatratlie s, Iilv arose th.'ielrom, whieh \\as ;.reatly hampered how-wr "l.v the '•-"•vssity .M a transfer over the porta-e at St. .Marvs 'l-'dls \'ny ,so,,e years indeed, one hurse, with a eart, was ahh^ to carry over all the tiatlie Then, f,,r a time, a douMe team was employed: and. in IS ,0, the trallie l,e,Mme so yieat that a hurse tramway was eMnstnieted across the pi)rtan;e. In tlie me.antime, an airitation I^.d heni,,, i„ f..,,,,,- ,,r the J"Mstruct,on ol a.eaual at the S.-mlt, a a people who had or;,.. t ten the very ex.stenee uf the former one At that time (I.eAiiierieans were alone interested in the pr,„Mut iun of sueh ••HI .'nterprise : ( ana.la was not • ,n it. Kven amo,;.. A ri- can.s there was hy no means a General opinion tlia.Tt ,- =^' a P'-Udent thin;,, to put pnMie „ey in what .seemed so uuli. I'-km- a scheme: and Mr. Henry ( 'lay, o, | ,|,.. .,,,,f,.;; H.i.I most tar-seem;;' ot Ameriean slatesmen, attL>mpt..,i to cast '■"'"'"''• "!•<"' the idea of com.din- Federal aid for .such a pnrpnse l.y de.scri ,in,.r h as 'a work heyond the .vniotest ^settlement m the ( nited State.s, if not in the moon ' lint the ..'uterprise received such encoura;,r..ment that, in |.S.-,;{ it was '" ;nn : and the year is:,:, witnessed the op.'uin.rof (he canal c< :i....ructed and ovyned hy the state of Michigan, at a est of a .out a millaa, dollars, out of the proccds of a ;rrant of land made l.y the Hederal powers. This canal had a depth of uelve feet: and its opeiiii... at once pive a remarkal.le mipetus to the minm;; and other imlustries of tli," rrreat Nor hwest on the American side, and to the consei|Uent Trade il n ;Vsr^- /. '""" ^'r ^.'"^t' «'"t^--" y-i'- Inter, the a ; rite. 1 States (government, havm- taken over the wln.le /■"terpri.se as a Fe.leral • work, made an appropriation for deei.enm;; It to s.n-enteen feer. This improvement was c.m- .pleted 1,1 SM. A;rain a new and extraordinarv impetus was !M''veu to the industri.'s and trade of the .Wthwi'st l.v the ;openin^ot tlieenlar;;e.! channel, so that in five vearsmore he trathc had so tar increased that Congress deci/led upon a iurther deepening ,so as to -ive a clear twenty feet of water. -<l— TliiM work luiH liccii j,'(iiM;i,' (III cvrr Hiiici-, is now in jpiDfin'ss, iiiwl is likflv to lie f()in|)lftr(l liv til" <'li«l ol' lMi)'). 'I'liut tlic opi'iiin^' III) ol" tlic rich Noitiiwc^t of tli«' Aiiicrifiiiis 1ms Ixcii ^nntly *. ctjIfDitcil : tliiit its iiiiiiiii<r, Imiiln'i- mill riiriiiiii^f iiitliistriis Imvi- licm dev » lope*! nnd its tnulc j^'iTiitly inciTiisnl us tln' ijircct result ol' tlic opriiiii^' mid dfc]iciiiii^' ol" the >';iult canal and tlic iiiiprovciiicnts made in other parts of the chaiiiicl cannot, of coiu'sc, lie (haihtrd. At tlie smiic time that this woik was liein;; carried out, HO as toojten a channel hetweeii Lakes Su|ierior and Huron, a consideiahlc ex|ienditure was made- mainly hy the American (iovorniiient, hut partly hy < "anada— to impiove the navipition of the St. Clair and Di'troit Hivt'is hy divdojn,^ and lytlie construction of short cr.nals, wherehy a depth of at leat-t eiehteen fiet has Iceii ol taimd throughout their entire lenj^'th. Finthei- impro\( nieiits aic now in progress to deepen these channels to twenty feet, and l.y the end of the season of IS!),") it is expected that a twenty feot channel will stretch without lircak from Duluth to iJutfalo. I.et us l< ok for a moment at the eH'ect of these impro\ ( iiients as res) ects trathc and rates. In IS.')»i, the year fohowiii;^ that in which the ."^aiilt canal was opened at iideiilh of twcKe feet, the tonnage ] a:-siii^ throue-h it was l()l,4r)S tons. In ISTO, it w as (;!iO,.S2() tons. Jn IM)2, the year following; the dt I'jieiiinj,' of the channel to seventeen feet, it reached •2,()-2!l..")2 I tons. In is:55 it wi „ ISfH) „ ,. 1W»2 „ Tons. :},-2r)(i,()2.s ! 1,041, -21:? 11.2l4,:iH:i A most striking evidence of the threat increns(! in the traftic is furnislied hy a comjiarison of the \alues of the fi'ci}j!l»t carried through this canal in tlu' i^-ist few years. In IMS!) the value was !^ s:?,7:i2,r)27 „ ISOO „ 1()2.214,I4S „ ISOl „ 1:}S.IVS,2()S „ 1892 „ i:ir,,117,2ti7 „' is<).s „ I4r),i.">(i,!ir,() This traffic includes, of cour.se, only the freieht enteiing and ^ clearine' from poi'ts on Lake Su])erior alone. It includes, | liowover, Canadian .-is well as Ameiiean fi'eiiiht. • in jiio^'iVHH, tl\V('!-t. <»t tllC t its iiiiiiiiif.', i'l()|)(.'»l Mild its f (pjicninij iiiul ii'iits made in • ddulitttl. ij,' ciirfii'd out, ■ tiiid Huron, H (lie Aniriican llif nuvij^^iition ,!;• and I y tlic li of at Icat-t thi'ir entire ;n'.s.s to d('f|)cn tin- si'ason ot" •1 will .strctcli us 1( ids I'oi' II !('S] (cts tniHic lie Saiilt caniil linatio 1 a^sll|o ( s (:!>'(),,S-J(i tons, i lie cluiliml to j HIS. I, -JIM in tlu' tratHc is if the I'lcinlit ,'jirs. i-2,.r27 4, 1 4.S .S,2().S 7,2(i7 ;(i,<i5(; t onterin^ and .'. It includes, ' N| lar I h,iv.. .spukm ..f Hi., tratlic uf |.,ikr .Superior •|»-tH ulon... hrt us now tiikc til,- tnillic pussi,,;. throu-li tlu- -troit nv.'.- vM.H. in<.lud..s, n.,t only that of L..,k.. Sup. rior, •ut also that. d bilu.s .Mi..|.iuan an.i llun.n an.l l..r u^ js sec li'.NV It lias increas...! ,n a r,.u yars. Tli.- fiu,„vs I am n..w .iHH.tl.. .|Uot.. incdu.l.. AnM.n,.an tni.I.. only. n.,t (ana.lian. in l.ss.t. t I... Ani.-n,.,.,,, tn.lHc carri...! tlirouixli tli.. D.-troit Wwasl!).,h,,s,;,, .,,.s: in I s<)0. it was 2 1, MS 1,472 : in .S!)2, It uas 2(i.:.:,:{, Mii. Th.. tonnaLr.- caiTi.d .,,. all tin- -ikos w.-st ,d Hulfalu in IMM) was :m,2!)!»,0.,(i t.,ns, an.l in «J2 It was ov..r tl.irty.,s..v. iHi,,,, t.a.s. This Uu- .■xc.,.,..ls I... t..(al uiv.^r,. tunnanv ,.nf..|in,u and v\vnv\nu at l..-tli ';"'"'"" ""•' '^'v.'rp'H.l .•on.l.iii,..!, and, ind....d, ai.iH.st ...mals the a-u.vo-at.. ol l,„th tl... foivi;,^ and castwise fni-l.. of tluMe -r,.at ports: and it ...xiveds the ao-jr.vuate foivi-Mi ..miaj:ehan,ll,..latall th.. ..cvan p.-rts ,„ th.': r„it.,.| states put t.i^'.'tilcj'. •'•>; ^;".v nr lurth.T iMn^tiMtii,^^ th.- .-xf-Mit ..f this lak<. tratfi.-, let us contrast th- lunnao.. ..an-j..,! tliP.u-di th.. Sault canal with that .•ani..d ihn.u.h tlu^ Sn.-x eanal. Th.. Iatt..r l.eitr.-n,..,Mh..n..|, i, th.. chanii..] thr..ui.h which th.. tra.Ie ..j' Kivatoc.-ansau.l l.etw....|i vast cntin.^nts is earri.-.l It is oiH'U ..v..ry day of th.- th.v.. hui-lre.l an.l sixtv-live tliat f..rin theyear lie Sanlt. ..n t h.- cnitrary is ..p,,, r.,,. ...ilv ah.n.t two hun.lre.| an.l tuvnty-tiv.. .lays .„, th.- avrane; an.l it .vpr..s..nts,as Inive alr..,,dy sai.l, n-.thin^r „..>,... than th.. tra.l.. toan.llroni the p.a-ts on ..ne .aily .,f .,nr fivsh wat.-r lak..s mi.l ye , tlir.)U<.h th.' Su..;^ was ..airi-.l (i,S!M),()()4 t..ns in I.S<>| ■ In-nuoh th.. Sault, f),()4l,2IM tons; th,.„„oh th.- J)..troit ltiv..r, ov..|. 24.()()O,0()0 tons, inelu.lincr ('ana.lian IV..i.d.f wl.U.. th.. anniv^ra,,. o v.'!' a 1 1 th.. lak..s was owr :{:iO()(r()0() I will now ^iv.. .soni.. lioun.s l.y way ..f co.npuri.iL' tl .loht r-ites !.y lake with tlios.- diaro....! f..r rail carria^'c: I he (ipn....s pven, as well as nearly all the otli..r Hoinvs pi'(.'sente.l in tins paper, ar- I'.ote.l iVoin otHcial statistics an.l v". 1" ^-'IT^'/m'- '!■ r'^r '''"-'■ "''' ^■■^'^■^'" *■'••"" the ..fKcial eport.d the duel ,.l the American I5ur..au of Statistics on I vo ,.','",' ^^^'"""^'••«*' "'■ tl'e Cuite.! States, puhlishe.l in IN.>2, the last one to which I have had access. The ti-nires relate chietly to the y..aTs IN.'K) an.l INf.j, hut such exan.inu- \l'!L''^ , •"'■'-' , ''''■'' t" ^"'^'^^' '"t'^ the (iaures of l.Sf)2 an.l l«.».i m.licate that they conv..y the .same les.son in even more strikiiifj terms. For the |,urp.)se of cnveniently couiparinf.- rail rates with those chargea for water transportation, the cost i)er mil.' per ton to the shipper is taken in each case. The averafre rate hy rail upon all the railroads in the United States was, in 1S!)0, stated to he i)22 niills per ton per mile. The average rate hy water for all fri'i<rht passuig tlirouoh tlie Sault canal tliat year was l';i mills p.r ton per mile,or a little less tlian one-seventh of the aveviige cost l-y rail. Tlie result is, as tlie report sliows, that tlie total cost to the shippers of iiioviiif,' tlie nine millions and odd tons ot frei-jht carried tlu'oucjh the canal that yenr was less than S;(> r^)0,00(). If, however, the rates char<:ed had heen equal to 'tlie average rates cliarged i.y rail, the total cost would have been S(i5 000,000. This I'tl'ected a saving in one year, as tlie report stated, of more than S.". 5 ,000,000 upon the livightot Lake Suiierior ports alone 'IMie total traffic carried that year overall the lakes west of Ihiffalo was M0,2!t0.000 tons. 'I he re- port referred to points out, that the average cost to the shipi or over the lakes generally was a little less than the average of the cost on freight through the ^aitlt. l^ut, for compari.son, the writer was coiite'at to assume that it was just the same as the Sault rate. The total cost of the lake freight at that rate wa.s !^^>-^-2n4 00S. Had the rate charged heen the same as the rate I.y' rail, it would have heen i5 1 57.000,000. What do these tijiui'cs sliow ^ I wil oive the answer in the wtirds of the report itself, so that they may he accepted as cairyiiig all the weight which the official jiosition of the document gives it. " Tpon this hasis.'says the writer. " the saving to the pultlic by water transportation on th.e lakes, in a single year, was i!?i:^5,000,000, or four times the entire riv( r and hai].)r expenditure of the United .States on the great lakes from the foumlation of the government to date." It will be seen in this comparison that he took the figures less favorable to the cost of lake freight than the facts warranted, liecause the rate he took was really largei' than the average. " It shouhl be noticed also," proceeds the same report, " that this saving to the public is over and above tlie undoubted saM?'g ^v!Hch lias resulted from the eff'ect on the rail freight rates produced by the competition of the water rates." Again he jioints out another respect in which he was not claimin;:- the full advan- tag(> of water rates. Most of the lake tiatlie, and ]iarticu- larly coarse goods like grain, coal, \'c., is handled at a rate lower than \:\ mills per ton per mile. As the rate per ton per mile on tlie Canadian TaciHc Ibiilway for the year 1S!»1 was !tl mills, it is manifest that the comparison is(piite tair to the Canadian Tacitic Railway Coiiipiiny. The ditf<'reiu'e between ihe cost of moving freiglit by ctKst ]wv mile ilrofuls ill the mills pel- ton ri'i<,'ht pMHsiiit,' Is iitr ton pi'V L'raj,'L' cost I'y e total cost to 1 0(1(1 tons of Wiis less tluin ul been e(|iiiil .).st^voul(l have iu> year, as the the I'reiijht of i'i'i(Ml that year I tons. 'I'he re- tothe shipicr the average of for comparison, 1st the same as ;ht at that rate Jie same as the 00. What do n tlie words of as carrying all hicument gives saving to tin- n a single year. ,(!• ami haipor lakes from the will he seen in ss favoralile to teil, heeanse the ;e. " It should hat tills paving d sa\ \v<j which rsitv'S produced n he ]iointH out the full advan- ic, and ])articu- lulled at a rate rate per ton per .' year liS!*! was (|uite fair to the v'ing freiglit hy iw-nH . ?■ ""' -"■'"'^'- ^"•'- 1-haps, he still m.av cem "^ .; ' o '' ''^''"'^" ^'"- '"-tin the carriage of th' n M "■ /^^"•^r^^t'M'l" in Manitoha is wh-at^nid li' nMst_d,sl,e,.u-ten,ng laet n, eonnecti.,n with wheat raisin- ..•.v.t,atj.l,,.urhair,h,.valu " the grain n. the nmmafc ma.k, t IS taken to cany ,r (inav from our lields. The rate .•o.nHran,h>Mf, F,a.t\V,il,a,„ is at present J !. .ents , .■ 1 s.)(.On,ile.. |.,u,n( loeag,.to|!utral,,.!l(H)nnles, the rate hv cents per !.,,he|. he average for „„n.e seasons i,ein.. as low a .cents I-ron. ,nluth to MouMval hy water, aUa.t I'j^ -1. s. the rate ,sh.,a,Mi to 7 cents when competition is keen. N..n \ "M-;^to Montreal, I,:i7„,„iles, it i^ahout 27 cents, leauaagvallrad route I ron, ( 'hicago to New York, in iM.i urdTtw '';■; "^'"■'' "'''''■ t''^' -crage rate i,v lake ami I, , al 1h tU(H.n lu^ san,e pon.ts was l.ss than .1 cent^ : and this ■'Itl'-^l' at P.uffa „ ,t had t„ ,„, transferred u, the sn.all 'arges.ntheeanal tor carriage to New York. The rate per V", '"■• ";!'" '"'^^I'-^^ now charged hy the Canadian I'ae tie KadwayC.Mnpanyh.a,, iJrandon to K.rt Willian,, aceordim. o H.Con,,,a.^vs hgures ,s H'S ndlls, and fron, ^Vinnipeo- tH ot \.ha,nhnHlls. Hh. ra.e .„. wheat hy the .Sault' canal i'om Lake .Superior ports to nuM'alo is I- niills ,.er ton „er mile, an-l as .gainst the rate of 11,40 ce,„s ,„■,■ hu^hel fron ■ ■ Its per hushel IS charged fjoni Ihlliido to \e' 'e canal and Hudson Kiver, a di.tan. f ahuut oOO n,iles K. j to :i le ake, again, the item of e,,al. of which We iiiipiii't SO lare-e a UW'/'Vv" '?'""""'■. '•■'"■ '-^" '■-". Fl.t William to mi in'Tl ; T ■ r •'^' '"'■ ^""^ '■'■•"" the Anthracite mines in the Rockies, a lion t !tOO miles it is ^V wl.il,. r,. . .h.ihd.>tonu.uth,,,t.o,.a,i,...i, isf,.:,;n;m-t;;4oe:nts'i, on. hi IVH, the average uas 2!) cents, and f..r part of he sea.on It was actually as low as |0 .vnts ,„,• to,,. Itisn-.tditiicult to account f,,,' the hnver rates l,v wate,- .■>seo„,,.a,vd with thwsehv, ail. |„,hefi,x, place, theVe is no '■'"""l'"l>- ■;" ^1';- ^^■"/."'•- It is Natures own highwav. and .J^overnments and parliaments have not vet as.sumed to o-iv,. „„ IS exelusiv.. ..se to pa.ticular corporations or imlividuals. .';;;^'iter channel .shetter than a ..coiv uf lii,..s of ..ailuav loi the use ..! tl,P channel is „ot limited (u the use of scores .".f vessels or to a scMiV ,,r i:„<„ ,,|- ..sseis. h„t is open to all who aiv willing to compete. A .-...at part of tie' tVafhc of ,1,., J^l^, .^1^mn.r,am,a. — -j^. — 10 Iiik.'s, US woll as of tin- (iccuii, is ciirricl l>y "traiiii. ' vesKfK l«!l<)nrfin<; ti) no iiMi-ticviliU- line, <i«>iii<r here and tluTr, an«l m evcry^liivotion uli.'iv tratlic is uvailnl.le. Tlion tlicre is the cost (»f couHtruction of railways. Hnt for alK)nt two tlionsaiK thrci- linndrtMl niilcs of tlir two thousand tliici' liun.lred and eij^lity-four of lakf an<l riv-r lit-twivn the At'antic iukI tli.^ \w,\i\ of the lakes not a dollar has hrcii cxpfntU'd hi jirovidiiii; us with the l\i;,diway : not a cent has hrm (.ai.! out for rcpau's to the track, whii-h lu'ver wears out. Tlien tliere is the reduced eN|)ens.' attending' slupiiient hy water. Tliis is owiiie- in i'.:r1 to" the e-reat cartroes that are carried on the lake vi'ssels. Theiv are shii.s now on tlie lakes that, with a drauLdit of sixteen feet of water, carry nior(> than one hnn.lred and twenty-tive thoti.sand hnshels of erain , - in one load from the lieadid'the lakes to Ihitlalo. It costs j hut little more to carry a hundred and twintytive thousand ; I hushels in a vessel of their eajs-teity than it does to take fifty thousand husluds in a vessel l.ui;t to carry that load. J undei- stand that acar load of wlieat tales ahi^ut six hundt ed and lifty hushels. It would t.ike ahoiit ten trains uf twenty cais each to cari'y the load of wheat taken hy one such a vessel. ti ti( m an sti th la I th, fr.^ on lai each to carry me loan oi w neiu lumu ><% ..... ,-uv i, .. ,>,..,... When our St. Lawi'ence canals shall havt- keen deepened to thedei-thof fouiteen feet, one of the whale-hack .stefimers, with two Tai'^es in tow. can take in one load, fi'om Port Arthur to Montreal, ahont a (ptarter of a ndllion hushels, without liieakin^' hulk. To take this hy I'ail wouM _re(piire nearly twenty trains <d' twenty ears each. One of tlie.se Kteaiuers, with three h'arecs in tow, has already carried ahout three hundred and twid\v thousand hushels in one load down the lakes. That means a load e<iual to tlie caj-acity of twenty- ; four such trains. Manytiains, of couise, take mucli more; than twenty cars of ^rain, hut often they are less. A w-ritei in a recent 'nia^nizine says that the avera_ye loud can-ied hy frei<,dit trains in the rni'ted .States is less tlian one hundre<! and ei>,d\ty-two tons. Souie of the new vessels on the upp.er lakes, with a draupht of only sixteen feet, take in one carg... over three tlnaisand seven lmndr<d tons, e(|Ual to moie than] twenty such avi-rajre trains : while the wh.ale-haok steamei| with her three consorts in tow. will, in one load, with oin statrof hand>. with one outfit of steam-power, witli one set o m<ichiner\-, with no wear and tear at all of the wateiy track and with'little wear and t-ar to the vessel, carry throueJi th( fourteen foot chanmd to Montieal, when eom])!eted, nearl,\ nine thousand live liundr<d tons, or more th.-in is cairied h\ fifty of such aver.-itre freight trains. There is. then, a vast difl'e'.ence in ex[iciise in ever I o >\- T'la tra) ofs is ci foot cam to L stre .'ire ( liapi I'ecei heen -I We coiisi twen of oi lake.'- from while • leptl — ha( unifo in fa\ trafKt (io\'ei throu, to ma class ( traffic lia\ ('. a " ti'aiiij) " vossf'ls, iiiid tlifVi', iind in Tlu'ii there is the Hint two thousMiid irce h.uutheii ami At'iintic iuitl the ■iuIlmI ill i)rovi(liiii;- aid out for vepaii's idiii^- sliipiiieiit liy carifoes tliat are < now oil the lakes \ater, cairy more 1 liusluds of i^raiu r.utl'alo. It costs iity-Hve tlioii^aixl , docs to take fifty iiat loa<i. J under- it six liUiidu'd and ins (d' twenty ears, one siud\ a vessel, krci) doi'jK'nfd to lalr-liaek st( aniers, I' load, fiom Port a ndilion luishels, rail would re(|uire h. ( )ne of tlieso | eady earriLMJ ahout j s in one load down | 'a|iaeity of twenty- I ■, take innch more; are less. A writer j;e loud carried '^y than one liunilreilj (■ss(ds on tlie u|)]H'r| , ti'.ke in one careof r(|ual to more tlian| hale hack steamei' one load, witli v\\< wer, with one .set o f the watery track , carry throueli tht I.' r^ 1 completed, iiearl\ tlian is eari'ied h} ex[iense in ever — 11 — <lii'eetioii in fn\'or of tli fcin.e. wear and tear, ^^c d^^ t'^H '■''"'P;"<>"Mahor, fuel, '^"'' ^v-hos. fhunv . . : ' ■'"•^?"^^' '-''^e n. the Xortlnvost, tlie coal consu, 1 1,,.,.,,,. oF fl, . " '''^'''' ''' ""''y^''^ that V'-^r'-iy-ioun^e/ ,;;•:• r,"^ tl-it tho co.t in that om. it. 1 ,.''"-''^^™•'•!'-'• I"-'" "nl.. and •>"'y ono taontv-sixth par I f'l, '"''■/"" f*"'" '""''-■'^ ,,,i, . I'''>L<,| tlir cost ]m- ton per mile hv '^i- ti^l.v:t'';vdm.;- :;;■ ^^ ''-' " la.^-e extent v ,, i. 1 ""''"' ^'^ ^''^' ''•^'^^' '-""tes ^ '•.V "- '-ans e, n- ,; ' ': h '"' \- >''' ""*'-'t'"'"tely, We are The. Ho,n.estlmt £v^.- ' '" ''V^''"^ *'"^t^^-^' """^'lit. ->!■ seventeen to e I , .^ ' ;'" 'T' "' ^''"^'^'"- TheVhannel is carried ext^^nds^ n ' 'the 1 V'V' 7,'''^^'^ '^" ^'''^ ^'^^^^ foot of Lakei.:n-e i , \ '''V "^ ^^'''^■" ^'M'^or to the eaunot pass. T.-ue we ■ ^ n''^'?''' ^'^"^"''^ "<" ^''^^ ''^'<^« to Lake ()ntari u I I s/ ■ '''""' n!'"^' '•'■''^•'"■"«- tln-nee «t-tchiu, to Aion:;:li a ,uh t;'^;;;^: ""^r^ r^^ h -^r^-- •uv of nuich sn,all,.r can-.eifv . ^ "^•"■tnnately, tliev '^'H'P'M's that a c n nle r ^ S r" ^ "' "''I^^"'' ^'^'••^""<''-^- J^t •vint years iu thJ c .rtte " ! .V'' 'l'" ^:''^"" J^''"^^' ^^''tlnn T.entv-live vearr ., 1 t' ". ^"' ^>^*''''"" ''^■'- ^^vnals. e<..sidered that no la ; V t.ls'"^ Hathor,tK.s o,> shipping t-euty thousau.l 1. C > wt t ' "^ T ^''V''' ""■'^'-^? of ordina.'v freieht m ud ev /. 1 ' • .'""^ '''■^ ^'""'''''^'J tons |;^'<es. I^oforelhla^nne/t : WeiKm 3^7^ "^^ "' ''''. t'''irtic of the lakes ■u.d ',• ";/''^'"'''^^ "1 the then mcrea.sed ^--'•••unenttod^L /^,^^^ TT't ^'J ,*'-; American throne.], was at Hrst ec led , t. '?'*'' *'^ ^^^'^'^'^ ^'^'^^ all to Mui^e the canal of' el ,, ff '•' '''^^'"^ion, indeed, was 1:^ '"■iii;^-iii^' till- caiialH to t nn'.^witli ,•!_ wi.ltli ol rmty-tivc r,.,.t, Tli.' work ol" ^ C'a]>acity was at once proceeded wit.'i ; liiit, li) I,S75, tl proposed ,i,.],t]i ,,t' tw.'lv.' IV, t would 1 HMv was already e\idciicH' tliat the was (h'culcd to til. Ml 1 r iiisiitHeii'iit, and it ''■ ■pfit til. 'Ill to fonrtci'ii t'cct. Tl •■^■'in III |,S7I, liiis 11., I to tllis (1;|\- I lis wor I'i'll colli Hid w._ still aiv without a o,v,.,t,.r d..pth than nine IVet [iKde.], part of the St. I W in a aw iiiicc s\-st('i <'llaiii| lias had a iiati'lv. when it ■pt oc )th ol loi II. alilioiinh, since I.SNS, the ii'ti'in tVct. .Most uiil'ortu- M'ft iiistca.l of twcl va.s <l.t<rii.iiH(| to make tli.' depth loui't cell width ol' the loe I'. n,» (•llan^v was mad.j in th.' length oi' ;s, w iiKli st III r.'iiiaiu at s.'V 'iity r,.,.t i:v rortv-ti\c IV, t All tl Wo huiiditd and !•■ ''i,:^',ui'r \.'ssc|s now in i "r tJH' loiiitcu IVot cliannel. liiniilri'il l.'.'t I, nil;' ai loail, pass ciisr of iJiiti; i^e on tlh' lakes are tin-. St. L iwreiiee, r\v], w h.^n th.' I' "I o\er. an.j caniiol. e\ .'ii w ith a do; aihi cannot, tlieretVi,. oiirl.'.'ii fo.it cliannel shall 1 pa It I A' a I'ass the '•ce I coii.pl.. ...1. I un,l,rs(an.i that through th.- Welland witl Its t.ailteen Feet liii't^vst ioa.i that can I .■ taken I "' wat.T anil its pivsent l,;,.],- eapacitv, th one thoiisan.i einht hiiinlred itvvr s'wiy thousand lui^l y an onlin; r\- \(■^^^. mil twcnt\--li\,' t. Is ahoiit locks will not admit \ i"!-^ '1 \v lieat ; w Idle tl esseis (i more than ahout liv.' hundred t I the or.jinary patt lis. or a little St. Lawrence eins carr\-in<r iHlsMels. hnnd iiele ai'i' liow III t r.'.l Vessi'ls wi more each, while the a\era oils, or aiionfc sixteen thousaml ii" upper lakes more than two ons and ill a capacit\- ol tw,, th.ai^aml t ''"'■'y '''''!< i^ till''-'' thousaiHl two hnndr.d lone- aeo as IN.S!) then Ves.sels plyinn- on the li ••■•ipaeity of the larger on. tons. V Were nearl\- three ill! \eli as iidiv.I and <irt\' in ■!• Ikes tiiatcoukl n,,t, uheii loa.h'd p.T.sthroueh the Wellan.l. Winn a tweiitv Tinit cl I.e coiii|,l,.ted. as it will he ly |,s!l(i, t,.,„„ i laniiel wil th e c ij'acity of tl UlCli-aseil W li' la!<e X'es.se Wil iiall thi-n til seven thoiisaiid ti\e hnndn d t Ml loa.ls foot ol" Lake !• will Tall t the tratiic ar shorter than e\er of l,ein^ ahl,> t >nluth to ihittalo, course lie ^nath- ';! tioiii six thonsaiid to ons carii.il in ,,ne \-essel to the awrenee route <> accomm,;,|.,t,. '■'•■ • ■■""1 >!"■ Welland and St. I ookiii;-- at tilt Can.i.lian channel.-, an. I tl t' iiid'ereiici' li.'t Wfi'ii the capacitv of tt »■ on this si.le of r.utfalo. it sin'prisiiio- tliat. whil,. the tratli( tliiv-mdi tl I. Sit \^ . ele\en mil 11' Sault le is 11., t canal in three hun.lre.land tliirtv-thi.v t-ais, tl !"'" '\^" ''"'ndreil and f.airt.-eii thousand W and duriiiy- the same s. a-: lat passnie' thr.aioji th e-on was l,ut nine i, <"'->'y:'::z:'^rv':\"-'^ throii-!i the St, Liw I '■ne" c iiiai.- nm. 'Utiili e 1 1 (ill IMl'fV — l.S- tlioiisand sevcMi hundml find Dinety-four tons. The I'uot is, that the f(i-eator part of tlie traffic that ^oea down tlie lakes on its way to the seaboard, even tliat intended for tlie Liv.'rpool market, is diverted from tlie natural and shorter channel bv the lake and river route, and is cari-ied either by rail or by the Erie canal to New York. And speakin^r ,,f the Erie canal, \ye have in this work, apart from its importance as a competitor with theCaniidian route, ii remarkable instance (jf the effect of a water way in reducini,'' rates. Opimed ori<,'i- nally, in 182.5, at a depth of four feet, it was eidareed, in \sVr2, t() a seven foot depth, the total C(jst for all beiiicr about S5 1 ,00(),0()(). This entire cost was repaid to the State many years ;if>'o out of the tolls, sinee which time it has been free and maintained at the expense of the State. It has a lenf^th of about three liundred and fifty miles to Albany, from winch the little bai-^avs which cai'ry utnnore than about two hundred and foi-tv tons, or eii,dit thousand bushels of tjfrain, are towed to New York over the Hudson Rivei'. It takes about one month for the round trip from 15utialo to New York and return, the avei'af^'e rate of speed bein^- no more than about three miles an hour, and the barrjes are usually drawn by horses. With all these disadvanta<,fes, the can.'iriias secured an enormous traffic in past years, and has been a wonderful factoi' in settlin.iif freight rates by rail, tne t^reater part of tlie traffic beinf? tak(Mi by the railroa<ls, Init of course because of reducin<r their rates. The distMuce from Buffalo to New York by this route is about five hundred miles. The i-ate for wheat in recent ycai-s has been, as already stated, from 2o to 8 cents per bushel, includinnj elevator charg-es. In 1890, the scheduled railway rate on wheat fi-oni Buffalo to New Yoi-k, up to the opening of the canal, was 7.S cents. Durino- the period the canal was opened the avera;>(' nctual rate charged by the railways that sea.son was :r7."j cents le.ss than the .scheduled i-ates. The (piantity of wheat carried to New York that season by rail and canal, according to an appendix to the report mentioned, was about one Junidred and tea million bushels, of which about eighty millions went by rail and thirty millions l)y canal. TheVater way cheapened the rate on \yhat was carried by rail as well as that taken by water. Taking the saving in the rate on the entire transportation as .'17o cents per bushel, there was a saving on the wheat alone carried into New York for that one season of about 84,000,000. In fS!>8, the ipiantity of grnin carrie<l to New York was al»out one hundred and sixty-eight million bushels, of which aliout one hundred^ and thirty-eight million bushels went by rail. The .saving for that .season, calculated upon the same rate of 14 !ll| ba luct ion \V(ju 111 .uiiDUiil to iiiMi'f tliaii 5!(),()()(),00(). Xot a ,il ivcoi'fl th 'jflC tlitcli, witii its seven t'rct ol" wator, A most iiiij)ort;mt t'actoi' in Ifailin^' to tlic low rates I have <|Uote(| has lieeii, as already sn^ffesteil tlif iiiei-easi'd sizo ol' lake vessels and the eoiisi'ijUeiit enlargement in their eai';;'oes. It is only, indeed, sim.-e, and hceause, tiie lar^ei- v«;ssels have come into ii.e that the \r\y low rates name.! ha\(' heen reaelicd. In iNsT, tie' axcraye rate jier ton |ii' mile on the lakes was the avera<re rate on whe •A mill in IS!) I, it was i In 1S71 lake and (;anal iVoiii C'hioa<i-o to New \'ork was ovei' 17 cents a husliel: in INHO. it was \ '.]{:) cents; and in (MM, it was less than li cents. In IH.SO, the a\-eraoe rate hy lake I'mm ('liica<,fo to ihitt'aloon wheat was i'l cents per Imsliel: in ls!K), it was I'll --ents. In 1.SS7, the a\ eraei I'ati on wheat I'l'om Dniutli to lUiU'alo was (i'd cents [ler aishel : in I MIO, it was ;U",'nts. in ISS7. the averaee late on al l'ron\ Dnlnth to Chicaeo was sl.O") ]ier ton ; in lS!)|,it CO was .)() ci'nts. In iN.Sf, the avei-ae-(> lati,' on coal to Duluth was 70 cents ; in IS!»|, it was -i!* C(Mit^ tV(-m r.uti! Ho If such resnlts have lieeii lar"'td\' hrou'^ht aliout hy uicreasetl (le])th ui th anuels wes t of llnlt'al and th conse(|uent increase in the si/,e of vessels, what woidd he the position to-day if we had the seventei'n foot channel of th ipper liikes (. xteiided to Moiitre And what if. in ls!)(), when the upper channels will ha\e a depth oi' twenty feet deep, we Were to have them extendi'd to Montreal at tht! same de]itli ' It is imjioss ihle fo)' ns to concei\e the extent of tl le i'e< Inction in freinht rates that would follow, lint we ha\ not now hefore us any such a sclieme as the dee; enino' of our ca nals to twenty feet, or e\en seyenti.'en The present aim of the ('anadian (lovernment is the much more modest one of a fourteen foot chainiid. We ha\e. for nearly a iiuartei' of a centin-y .'en workini;' away at it, am tl le lies t proi mst> we can get to-day from the tJovernment is that they hojieto have it completed in the spi'ine' dj' l,s!»7. Let us, too, hope that it may he so. Had n fraction of the energy heen a] plied to tliis work that was (h'voted to the ci instruction of the (.^inadian Pacific Railway, we would have had it com])leted ten years aii'o. II Ki ( ■veil tl 'Xtra ■rt'ort -so eltectually and yet so needlessly, as I thinl-: -made to hasten the complelion of th Canadian canal at the. Sault heen yi\ en t tlie St. Lawrence, we wiaild not still h liiit though we may not hoj'C. in the neai' futur(\ for an ocean o [lusji on the \\-< ii'ks on waitiiio' itscomj)letion. service to I'ort Arthur and Duluth, let ns not he discouraoed From the completion of even the fourteen foot chaniie!, ii iiaiiKJU luadiaii u ocean mil'!, in lfS!>7, we luiVc II ijcflit MTV I'Ot liiili'iitly ti) aiitieipato a i,'i'0!it iv.liU'tK.n 111 iMti's. Tliniio'l, tin- ..1.1 style ..1' vessels (.ami..t take iii.»re than ali..ut.>iie rli .usaii.l ei^lit Imn.lre.l aii.j tueiitv- Hve t.Mis throtinh ,,ur n.'W eliiiiii.'ls wh.'ii .•(Miii)let.-.l, liaj.i.ily ' le wliale-liack v.'ssels ar.' eMiistnicte.! for earrvin.'- lai-<>-e'r .... ~. . I I t 1 • t' t^ r^ ti cai'ifoes. J I ia\e ali'.'a'ly ;;ivcii -■.mc li^niivs sliowin.f the "Teat loa.l they can th.-ii eany t., Moi.tival. Of their pPeseiit'^lake fl e.'t ol aliout thirty vessels, I mi.l.Mstaii.l that nt l.'ast one- hall havel.ceii ei.nstnu-trW with ;t s|)eeial view to tlie Wellan.l an. I >St. Liiwivmv tialii.-. Th,. .st,.;ii,„'is of that elass .-an carry alM.ut sev.'iity-tive thoiisaii.l hnsheh, aixl the t.)W l.ar<-.-s aliont e!ir|itV-li\e tiinJlsjiihl. "^ I have sai.l that w.- i further ili'eperiiiiif .if thi's.- d ia\e no iimiieiliate jn'.jsjiect of a laiiii.'ls, 'I'h,. .|Ui'stion .^f havin< the .l.M'i,..!- water way oi' the ii],, ,■)• lakes coiitiniie.l to tl se.ahoanl is a leiii^^tii. paper. I iJIK'Stl oil siicli a wor now \\iii iiiil to-nif^ht .li.seiiss at any lie 'ii'yoii.l tie' e.iliipJiss .)f this I'e perinitte.l t.. remarl:, howev.'r. that while o .lo so \\(jlli iiia\' 1 I IS iicy.iiuj t!i,> tiMiicial aoilily of Caiia.la just ia\t' a h.ij).- that. ITC \c sides .if the h niinlai'V' as an intei'iiatioiiai th liOtil iiia\' S' -eiu'iiic •y lony, piililie iiK'n oil tile propricry of t;ik-iiin- it up n a paper that I wrote on this sulijeet nearly thr.'e years a;^-.., 1 \,.iitiire.l to snn-ecst soiiu' of the i-eas.,iis that l.-.j m.' to s,.,. in such a pr..]M.sition the hest an. I most r.'asonahle sehma' f,,i' snlvinir the pmhlem of trans- portati..n foi- (he X.irthwest. I am (rh,.! to lu.tice that piiMic opini.iu in Canada is l)ei,dniniin- to assert it.self in that .lirection. At the Jnternatioiial Reeiprocitv (-'onveiitions h.d.l m (irand Forks and St. Paul, in |S!)2 aii.l IMI:}, cvideiiee was imt wantiii^Mhat many of th(> p..'op!,. ,,f th.' Am.'riean northwest lo.>ked on such a scheme with nineh faxur. After all. the St. [.awrence route is the natural channel to reach the .sea f.)r the tratlic .if the .Mitir tl I' lalu^ retrion and le immeiis.- cotnitiy to tle> N.irthwest that is trihutarvto th aKes. ft IS not satisfactory, either to America! dians, tluit tlu- conditions for t: is .)r to Cana- ikuifrthe traffic via the Canadian. canals are such as to force th.' hulk of the whole northwest tra.le. inclu.lino' th.' wh.'at <,f ^lanitoba, over the New York railwiiys or the Krie canal in preference to the St. Lawrence. The Cana.lian route is crtainly the shorter one for the people on hoth si.l.'s. Fi-iMii Huttalo't.) M.mtreal hy lake and canal IS ihree hun.lr.'d and .seventy-ti\ <■ miles, of which seveuty-one IS canal, with a .!e].th -so.,ii to h.i -of f.)nrteen feet. Fi iSutfalo t.) .New Y.)rk hv the Fi . )iii le canal an.l Hudson River is Hve hun.lre.l miles^.)f whi.di thiv.' hundred a.nd tift^ with .)!ilv a se\cn f.iot cha IS canal line A channel of fourteen feet. — 1(!- it Is said, will cany a vessel oF about ei^lit tiiiirs the capacity t»f the largest vessel tliat a seven toot cliaiinel will liear. In the same connection I may add tliat in a chainiel with twenty feet of water a vessel will float with a eai'j^'o of neai'ly three times the size ot" the lari^est load that can he taken in a foin'teen foot channel. In other words, a twenty foot channel in the Welland and St. Lawrenc(( would admit ves.selH carryinf( carifin's nearly twenty-four times the size of the f.jreatest loads that can he taken oji an Krie canal boat. Then the distaiier from Montreal to Liverpool is shorter ly over two hundred and sixty miles than the distance fi'om New Voi'k to liiverpool. Mr. T. ('. K<'ei'ei', from whom I have alieady (pioted, speak in<; s(!veral years -.v^o on this suhject, thus referred to this fact : — " II" a thread he stretclied U{)on af);lol)e from any point in the Jh-itish Channel to Toi(!do, ()hio, and ai-raiiocd so as ti> he upon the shortest line, it will lie found that the St. Lawrence does not deviate at any point more than thirty miles, connt'ctiuf^' in the shoi'test p(3ssilile distance, with the most capacious, steady, and economic mode of eommunieation, the <freatest food-consumine' and the ^n-eatest I'ood-producinLj' countries in the woi'ld — Ln<,dand and America -inhabited by the parent and otf'sprini; of the most favored I'aci,' of men. Evidence tliat the .scheme is not without suppoit even in tlie United States Con<,Mv.ss is found in the )'epoit of the ("onmiittee on Inter-State and Foi-ei^n Coimnei'ce, presented to the House of Ke])resentatives in February, l.S!)2. i-econi- niendiiif^ the passa«i'e of a resolution inti'oduced by Mr. Line], of Minnesota. In this resolution it was actually ])ropo.sed that the President of the United States slis^nld " invite negotiations with the Clovernment i»f Canada to secui'e the speedy improvement of tlie Welland and St. Lawrence canals, so as to make them conform in depth and naxigability, so far as practicable, to the standard adopted ly th(> (Joverinnent of the United States for the waters connectincr the great lakes." That is, twenty feet. The rep(a-t of the committee, after declai-ing that ' the gi-eat lakes furnish a highway for conunei-ce that has no parallel in any other cianiti'y," and that " th(! impracticability of deepening or impi-oving the Erie canal .so as to adnut the passage of ocean going vessels seems to bo adnutted ,)n all sides," went on to di'aw the attention of Congr.'ss to the fact that "if the Welland and St. Lawi-ence canals wei'e dei'pened, .so as to cori'espond with the twenty feet of the new Sault canal, all the cities of the lakes would enjoy the advantages of seaboai'il cities." -r 1 "tinl.t to ,1.1,1, l,v way (,f still Ini-thcr i-vi.) uwi-wnn n,.,,uun in thr .uMtt.T, thnt tlio r(..s.,luti..n j„st lllk'CtI 111 H-.l^' I.. 1 ... C.. i. :. L !• ... . . .1 ' " I'llCt' (I .spoK.'ti ot wiis, III (In. first installer, ivfcnvd. for I to ( Oldllr Orlai lUU K. I' •Jiit'l' lis 0[)l|||()|l, Sail It canal, tlu' lii<.lirst A 'I'lcstioii, and ('(.liiiu.j |',„.'s n-siioi fn<<in('('i- of tlu- Anicri can iiicncaii autli()fit\- isi- was in tlii'sc ten perhaps, oil tlir lis Tlu. Wcllaiid aiHl St. Lawfi'ncc canals un<louht,Mlh •K'cupy tJ„. i,„.st favoialilr, ami th.-ivfoiv tlu- hrst I water coiiiiiiiiuicutioii tictwccii the lakes an,' tin Wi'cp WiittTvvay can !.,•,. p.. h.mI l,y d,,.; inc liy any otiicr, an,] tl A I' voiitf at less cost than ocean. UTf in an ('n,!,'iiic('i'in,^^ point oF vi • •;iii he iioipjcstion as to its a<lvanta< 'tween Wiv |;|1 e\v, l\es aiKl tl o Far as coiiiiuunication concenuMl, evo'v ar;-iini,'ni 1 coiintnes KeycHul the Atlantic i,^ l\or: th, 'positl oil o r tl us M, >ri' striking an, I valwaMe t-sti tlie St. l,i\vi-,'iice route tli.iii I lia\ '■ iviaitatiiai ,>!' Mi'. Ke,'l",T :>n,l r, UKHiy to the siipei'iority pioteil tr,.iii men of i;'i-,M)ntation of Mr. Ke,.r,.r a,„! (\>|,,nel j'oe it uouM I.,, diliieult to conceive. I k„ow that the enterprisiiiu p,.,.p,.i,.tors "I tlie whale-l.ack w.s.sels that n-.w cany ,so much ,,1' tli.. conini.-rco of thclakes have exactly the same opinions as to the a<lvaiita<re ot the inteniati, >iial chann.^l ,,v,.r aiiv other I'oUte. I liei'e IS an,)tlier consi,lerati,.n ati'.'ctin^r the ,jUestion of doepenine- the mteniati.ai.al channel that is not tot..- lost siclit ot. ()pini,)n on the Ainerican ,si,le is ,s,, stronoly in favor o? 'x twenty fo,.t channel to the coast that failii.o' tr.Wcnre itl.vthe WellaiKl an,l St. Lawrence, they are i,oun-l to have it thron.rh their own territory. In,lee<], active steps have I.een in la-ofrn'ss towar, s that en,| for some years, Our neio'lil„H's ,,,xriiot Matihcl with anythino. short of a channel all tJu. way thnni.rh that will acc()nimo,Iate ocean vo.s.sels. Ali,nit ninety-Hvo p'^er nent, of the ocean tratHc is to-.lay carricl in v.'ss(>Is di-awinrr no more than twenty feet, .so that the cntinnation, to the .sea ' "/'. ''"iV^" tlje<I''pth which they now pmctically have west of hultalo wdl ^\yv them what they desire. Th(> hcst opinion auioiicr sjiippers and cnnincM-s on the American side IS in lavor oi tlie St. Lawivnce, lint there are many, of course who try to rou.s(. the national |.ii,le ap'ainst a partnership with' 1. ana-la in the international nuite. Every expression of aJinrr(, sentiment on our side stren,n;t.hens that feelinn-,,n the American side. The result may he that, if we do ,„,t .so(m mov,- in the matter and seek the co-oiK-ratioii of our iiei<.hl„,rs in imi.nniiif the natural waterway, that we .shall see a comr^leted chanrKd of twenty f -t throun-h American soil, which they may open IS to lis Of not, as llii'V plciis,', iiixl on .sUili terms as tlicy |(li'asc. 'I'liis liciin' l.roiii'iit aliout, lln- St, Iwiwrfncc ami W'rllanil channel'- w lie |iraftii'ally cln ,e( to till' tratlic of the Noi'lli- W cs tra.l t, Montnal will no longer \>r on the liiu'liway oi ('aiiailinn anil llie hlt\'-li\e millions ollal's we ,sji;ll l\ e eN)iellileii o n the route will have Keen lar,i;'el\' thrown away One ol' the ili-ail\aiila^es of the St. Lawrence route wliich in the meantime l.^uls to the ]irei'eivncc of the lines to New N'ol'K', is the est r.i ti 111" ami e\jicnse iiix ol\ ( .1 ill h.ilid the cram when t il\"ii via the St. I. IW r 'lice Vt Ihillalo there is the most j.erfecM machinery for hamllini,' it. Willi an levator capacit v of over lifteeii million l.iisliels, they have [iplianccs whereliy oiii- elt vat or w ill transfer twent\-li\e tlioiisaml hiisliels of wheat from a vessel in one iioiu'. < )ne elevator Ins traiislVrred three hiiMilre'l thousaml hii^liels in tweiitv-foiir hours, hesides a I low i Hi;' time for all the move- liellts of V essels rei|ire«l for t Ih' ]ilirj( w H'll placeil o n tl cars or i-atial at Ihillalo, im fin tie r transfer of careo has to he made until it reaches New York. ( >n the Si. l/iwreiice route there is ni> such matdiinery for s|iecdy ami cheap haiidline' of ^■raiii. to canal ( hi reachiiii;' Kiiiestdn, ciru'es have to lie transferred .•irii'es. and no nropi'r itiii la 1 1 m I e •vatois or ;!]■ • 11- ances for the jiurpose are pros ided. ,Such means as are av aiialili- are said to he in the hands of one company, vvherehy 1 under- stand that a pi'tictical monopoly of the I ari;e t r,-dlie .'xist-. on tln' river. I Ins c.u 1 oiilv he vv lloll V dol ii' a wa v w It li w hen ake Vessels UUhrokell calicoes like the whale-lia(d<s will pass throiieh with to Montri'al, without resort to the canal hnrcjv's. Ae'ain, at Montreal, tliei'e are no proper applianci'i for speciiy and t'heap transf tr ol ca I'uMi's to ocean freighter: 'I'he conditions at that point will he much more favorahle when the >;reat loa«ls of seven or i'ii;lit thonsami tons can he hrouyht at once alonesiiK' tin' ocean ves.^el. instead of a delay from day to day for the arrival of the small harees with their little loads. lint it needs that h.'tler ma(diinery shall he ajiplied. even then, for transfi'rrine' the careocs. No doulit it mav he left to the enterprise and foi'csinht of the trade authorities of the er";it (•(■mnierci;d capital of Canada, whose future dejiends so much on the maintenance of this route, to .see to it that the very sei'ioiis defects in the e.xistme- state of thin<,'s are removed. Referrini;' to the i|Uestion of a. deepeiiiiiii <if the channels to twenty feet, I iiave noticed that the cost of sutdi ,>n um takine' is s.aid to place it lievon er il th.e ii oi'ijer ot nos.Mhiluv I have seen Si ol).()t)().()t)l) spoken of as the jirohaMe cost. I'.iit I find that Mr.lv I.. ( 'ortludl. a V(>rv noted en,eiiieer who ;> I!t Ni'i'V laiiiiliai' w il li ihr loiiti iml w 111) has w rii ten a must lllli'lTsllllM ],;||u !• ull tllf MiKjict.is uT ll|>illiul| tliat alM.ut >5.)2,'»()l),()()() WMllM collll-lrtr liir \v|„,|,. Work. I liaX.'Sccll It'tti'I's tVnili tWii III in'i' <iiiiiii'iil riiir||i,.ri's iiiir a ('aiiailiaii (1 mil tlif iitliri' all AiiM-riraii wIik, wliilc (lisclaiiniiiy liaviin'' i\- siicli kiMW IcImv MS w uuld I'lialili- tlinn ti) tonn a pioKalili tiiiiat". yi't siii^-fst )i sum ripial tu tliat alivaily i-xpciHlril a- till M' sum \vi' ]n:\v v> na t'ly i .\|>t ct tu |>a y iir srcijniii>' tlic a.Milioiial .|,'|.||i 'I'h'h, i.,(-il i'N|M'iiilitinv, \,y tli.' ti tl vvc.i'k is (• MiipKliMJ. will in II, it !r-,s fliaii S :..'). 000, 01)0. Mr. I'l'iT makes a siin'o'csiiMii v\ iili I, s|M ct P) all i'iilar!.fciiiciit i.r tlh- raiial- wliicli wmilil I'Tiiil;' r\ci'llciii rr.Mli-. tii..iin|i l,v iMf.iiK M) val'iaMr as a ,|' "priiinn' "I 'li'' ••liaiiiifj ,, hut at mu'-li ll'SS (•;)S lial IS. t 'I l<'r|utll''ll 111!' plvsi'lil lucks. wiiliDiit fith.r will, 'Mill. . iliciii or il iiciiiii;^' III,.' cliaiiii,' Tlic fir,'ct <>[' this wiiuM l„ that iii.iiiy nj' thr laini r \cssi|s,.r the lak.'S widijil he I'lialij.'il tu )iass ,|,i\\ii »,) .Mmil r,'al, lakiiiL;- liyliti'i' |,i I'ls I r,,m t 111' ■ Wlii'ii this is ,|, it ol ■IKf IM1f II Ills iiWU Wiil'ils, 111!', iicarl\- r\ ,T\- iaki' rralt inw alh-a Clllljil ass .lilt t'l -,.'a with riiurti'iii !'■■. t ili'aiiulit. ami Inail iluwn ti twciitv at Mull! ival III a I am lint iii'l:iii'j' that ( "ii |.^ iM'iit. till' C'st UmiiM 1,(. nrcaf . I I'la almi, -^liniiM iiinlrrtaki' it at aiii pri'^i'iil , < >ur < i'ArniiihMit am! Parliament at ( )tta\va siem tu l,e uf 'he iij, iiii. Ill, hu.vexei-. thai ('aiiaila has heaps <<[' muii('\- luf i'X|'eiii|i| ure .pti ;;ll kinds iiT iiiiileilakiiies, IK) matter ' Imi\v iviiiote riMiii our laml or Imu ii -ejess for <aii' |nir[iiise.s, Fancv payiiie' a suh-^idy of S| :>:).00:) ,i y,.ar to secure twelve trips u['- a steamer from \'aiicou\er t,i .Viistralia and i>ack, t liriiie- tratli: to the Canadian I'acilic Kailwav. For c Kl liel I irria;^!' ovcl' its imuii line passing; tliioimh the I'liited States! I''ancv i)!i\Mim' S/ .) .01)0 1 \ear to srcui'e a li'W triiis hCllie' made irnm \ inuMUver to Japan for the same jmrposc ! Wc ap|)ear t< lia\'e lots of eojd to aid hotli these eiiterpii-ises, althoneh tlu I'acilic ( )ceaii is alread\' wliite with t And il" Canada ha. le sails III commerce no III imy to ]>i'o\ ide I'or tl le lU'oper improvement of our natural highways to the Atlantic, ho can We seriously talk of speiidiiiLT SToO.OOl) a ycai'- (-(Hial to the interest, at three p,r cent., on t went\-li\e millions of dollars to secure a faster si'r\iceon the Atlantic, the onlv oliject of w liich can he to save a few hours in the transmission of the iiiails and to sccine to tlie Canadian I'acilic Koad a larLfi'i- share of the Australian tr.tile. Sii' William Van Home the distineiiished President of the ( 'anadi.an I'acilic llail wa\- ( 'omp'iii\- w ho i-;. of ea rnrst ad\-o!-ate of the f,i-t Atlaiil coiu'sc. an le si'lieiile m dlscUssinLJ it ■10 the (itlKT «l;i\ , IS H'i».ih'i to Iwivc .Sil! i|,,it Mil Atliiiitif itflllllSftlll Sl'IVlC'l" ' liri'd (U, H' CO imtrv f the lii-.'h»'st class \a tlif very <,'iviit»!st It shoul'l lit- |irtivi<lt'<l lit liny t It shciiihl lie 'ill llifit iiioiify nm ,■11 It wuiiM lint havf i.criiiri •! to iinyoiu' in lllttKt COS w )i liftttT stciiiiisliiit st-rvicc till It. Miinitul.ii that nt'fil ti>-<li»y. it is t*'i till' Atliintic isCaiui'lii's ^iciitt'st tainlv nut Maiiitnl.a'.s |^riviiti'st iu''«l. n,,. pivs-nt strainshil. srivi( n tlw ^nvat ^.craii is ,yun.l unl it' it is not -^'oo.l .'iioii-li it must l.r liccuiiso t to krr]! it u]-. Lit IIS oiioi' have (■!iuU(;li tor lis 1 the ti-ailf is not sutticim (•iifa|) tians);oi .tioii to t If o('( I'll- wil ^__^ an, aii«l that '-•Uij;' iifcnni- Ih'.I 'anirth!' Ii"alii'.- i.i. tl.r Atlantic tlnavl , nicimscl, as it lin<l that thciv is cnt.T|.nsc cnon,L'li m th.' he, W r Will world t"l iroMUcr slltllcl lit st'iN ice oil till- Atlantic W IV Sliolllti N\C not IVc >y i\\)V which is not haiii|icri the oidinary laws of siiiipiy the coiiiiiicrci' ol' the ocean, ..•oiiditioi.s or lestiiclioiis, to aa.l (hinan.l ' Is it really liccess iiV for Caiiiiila to siKii.i luillioiis t . ena • e \ c^m use this waterway whicii iieiyhliois to the south spc lia: never t a dollar I) to o our Slid Cll e umnation as ia\e not (li uao, aiVairs <loe^ 'rnie, their ocean, hui theiv is never iaeUiiii;' means iinercial luarine ma ml their money in such a lasluoii . heen ahle to uiiKi' into tncir nieiit of any such sul'siilieh,. V not he the greatest (Mi tl I I ric the pay tl leir I il'ou net' .veil II we llOUllt for the transport ol' ha\e, at the country's cx[K'nse. a line crcalion, is it wo rtl f steamships that in sp liiiN iiij;' It at such d wil cost, so •A ll II I ) II ar as aii\- suhstantial a.lvantaue to the country is coiicerne.l Sir William speaks of our .^rcat canal enterprise as hciii*,' already completed, and as if we did not need to touch another si.ade'for its furtlier imiirovenient. "1 look upcni it. he says, ■as a necessary ami natural snppleniont to th(^ eiiorinoiis expeiidiliire Canada I railwavs and canals las nu id.' for the di iiieiit t)f Ih'I* iiia\- 'n: ■rniitted to suffj^'cst that I tiiiiik it time enou<-;h to sup'plenie'nt our expenditure on the canals l.y the spendini; of millions more for iin]a'ovin,u eicean ■ have so imiiro\C(l our own chaiine'- in*; when we sha sliippi .^ . , to the ocean that the shippin;,' of the lakes may pass thr.nioh them. In other words, let us procure the means of transp.oi - n markets to the ocean, on r<'asoiial)l»> tatioii from our ow conditions means o for e we av out millions in improviiiif f transit oii the ocean itself, especially when the grant than a siihsidv to cnahK' one particular is to be uotliint'- iiion line to coiiip w t-,^, ,yj()) stiecial advantae'e over others on the free ■ 1 I' ators of the Atlantic and I'aciti C( (•( el tl tl —01 _ Th. truth is tliat uliili' the loiite fioiii lirttuiu to AuHtnili IV vvn uno, It Im.s tlu' Ims tlic lulviiiit.ijrt' iinlistiiiicc nvt-r tlio Kiist (liHadvaiituj,'!' nl' involving tAV«i tranHliijxiieiits of carjjtM's on til"' Wfiy, lit till' twi) cii'ls (»t' the ('.iiiMiliini Pacific Uaiiway •i-isivf uinitT Ami St) Canada, line Ins IS siicli a si'i'iuiis (Irasvliack as to oi'Miiiary (•(iiiilitKHis ayainst its HUCC't' wliicli has iHMctically \ri'y little inter. st in the selieiiie, in asked t(i |iay all the iiitiiiey to ()\t'ri'<iiiie this disadv antajift'; and fie- ('anadian I'ailiaiiient, Maiiitoha iiieiuhers int'luded tiiid iiodilHeidty in vntiiin it. \V,' may expect in a Few years tt) see the i^'feat in'ujeel of a canal acruss tlie narrows i if this continent at Nicaraeua coiiqilcted, and a uateiway for >oean vessels estalilished lietwe.n the Atlantic and Paritic. What, then, will come of the Canadian rnute to Australia, with its two transhi)aiieiits and thi-ee thoiis uid miles of r,iil\va\' ' Well, of course, it can then he Inn iised at a hi<fher rate. IC\en How, to eiiconra,!,'e trade I.etWi mi Australia and \'aii cou\er, iiesides the SIO.OOI) a ti ijt fjiveu liy the Diaiiinion, tin; Canulian I'aciHc Railway Cuinpaiiy arries at |)i'e.sent all the Australian freioht across the contim nt at actual cost, the handsiaiie di\ ideiids it makes out of the Canadian trade juid the tinaiicial standiuij the Canadian siil ^idies hasc j^fiveti it eii.'ililini,' it easily so to do. Kvei) if tlii'se mijiistili.ilile j^rants fur tlu> Atlantic and I'acilic service were not in.nle, I am not li--re to contend that (■anada is in a position now to undertake tie deepeninj^' of the canals t<» twenty feet. I'.iit I hope the (piestiou will not he alloweil to rest, and that not, majiy years w 1 pass hid'ore the two nations will unite in doiiin; the woj'k And when the ohjection is madi- that the cost is too h^\'ivy, and when a sum lik(.^ S|:{(),0()0.()()() is mentioned as i hi; possihle cost, even till Mitrh we may not hrlieve it will co^ anythin;if near oiu'-half of that, let us not foiiret that in ;il ut two huiKh'cil and twenty days of every year a ^M'eatei- sui than even tliat is saved on the cost of carryin<f that jiortion • f the American tratHc of tho upper lake I'e^don that is carricMJ by water, without inclu<lin<,f the many millions mor(,' tli it are saved in the freiuht carrieil hy rail l)ecause of the reduc-<l rates caused hy the com]ietition of the waterway. On the i|Ut'stion of an international sc lenie for the deepeninjf of the canals, it is su;jj<^ested that Hie Americans would never think of spendiiiy a dollar on a puhlic woi-k in a fori'i(;n country. Why not / Did the c()n.si<leration of its heiiiff a foreien coiintry detei- our enterprising nei^diltors from takinf,r up the Nicataijua canal scheme American (lovernmeiit undertake and pay Did not tlu for tl le Hurvc of .oo_ tin; route as ;i lu-itioiml oiitcrpriso ^ And diil not tho AnicriCiin Con^nvss ori:iuiiz(; uml cliai'ttT a company tor tlic purpose of constructing tlie work ! Did not Dritain t\oI i'ree to take i\ like interest in tliat enterprise, without allowinu- tlie I'aet of its Iieinu in 'i f<'reif,ni country to deter lier from so doing { Wliy, till- entei'prise i f-peak of was deemed of so mucli importance t]iat(!reat IJritain and the I'nited States, ivah/ing that the ca])ital to l)uild it must come IVom tlieir ( iovernments or citizens, actually entei-t'd into n solemn treaty to protect that capital. One clause ol' the treaty pro\ided that these two nations hound themselves to eacii other to "guarantee the neutrality of the cana', so that it may forever he ojx'ii and free and the capital invested in it secure." 11' lam not mistaken, some of th(> Amei'ican money already <'Xpendt d to impiove this \cry waterway of our own, in the Detroit lli\-er, has hcen ex])eiided on ('anadian soil, and certainly lioth nations ha\c joined in deepeniin.;' the Deti'oit channel. ()r coui'se it would not 1 .\pecte(l that the I'nited Stales would expend money on tlie \\'elland and St. Lawrence canals sim])hs' as a ('anadi;in enterpi'ise. But, as an iuternation.al eiiti.'rprist.' — as an inqirovemeiit of the common hi;;hway, for the luMU'tit of hotli countries — why sho\ild they not ; I'ro- vided always that the canals were I'ecoj^nised, as they liy treaty ai'e, to he open to the enjoyment ol' citizens of hoth counti'ies on eijual tei'iiis ; and ])i'ovided tli;\t the manaevment and control oi' them were ])Ut in the hands of a joint commission appointed iy hoth counti'ies. I will close what I have to say on this phase of the ((Ui'stiou hy the followin;^' ipiotation I'rom tlie j^ajier 1 wrote on the suhject in IS!>1 : — '' i''i'om the heail of Lake Su[!erior to the mouth of the St. Lawrence, the lake and river I'laite I'orms a common hiehway i'or the I'nited States and Canada, ill which neitluM' side has any greater ri^ht as to enjoyment than the other. It so happens that at some jioints on the I'ivers formin/^' this common highway there are some seriiais ohstructions to navigation. Kven in some of the hikes navigation is interfered with hy natural hindrances, and cannot he made perfect without the exitenditure ol' a sum of money. How should nioin'y I'or such a jiurpose ht> provided ;* It is to In' used in improving a joint highway hetweeii two friendly nations, the use of wliicli is common to hoth of them. Sundy it would seem reasonahle that it should he furnished hy li(jth nations. . . As it is tjiiite impossihie to make the Niagara navigahle, no other coui'se was hd't open to the owners of the ' highway than to dixcrt it for a short distance, so as to a\<)id a rock tliev could not remo\e. -OQ TliL' only way that cduM Ik- accoiiiplishod was liy openino- ai'ounil tilt' olistnicfcioii a canal on whicli vt'ssels could he Hoated. Such a canal n\ust, of course, be within the territory of one or other of the nations ovvninf;- the hicjhway. It ha])pens that the work could he more eonv(,'niently done on the Canadian than on tlu' Atncri.'an side, 'i'hr \V"fland canal wasliuilt, therefore, through tiie .\i;ii;ara, peninsuht, to avoid th.e falls and rii-])iils of the Niaevira llivei'. I'.ut it was huilt at the expensi- of Canada aloiie, --an expense that to this date lijis rcMched nearly twenty-live niillions of flollars. Citizens of tlie Cnited States have the same henetit from it that ("anadians l>a\e, and pay no erc-jitcr tolls. 1 know not why this canal nueht not have hein constructed and maintained at the expense, and as the [iroperty, of the two nations, instead <»f one. 1 am lookiiiif at it simply as a divt'rtini.:-, for that distance, uf the joint and eonniion highway. Aniei-icans certainly d.) not ohjectto use it heeanse it is on Canadian soil. I s.'e no i-eason why Canada should ohject to the enterprise lieine- earried out thi-oui;;h her soil as a joint enterprise, seeino- it was for her manifest advanta^^c to have it on her soil, and that she was willing- to let American citizi^ns ha\e its use in common with her ov.n, after she spent so nuich money in building it. Can there, then, he anythino- ohji^ctionahle in the Fnitttil States, jointly with Canada, owidni;- and maintainine- a canal that they hoth ust; and that is huilt simply in the way of divertinii,- their joint hiehway. and that simply on the e-round that it pa.sses thmue'h Canadian soil ! . . . I re})e;it that T am unaMe to discover any sulKeient reason why the two nations shoidd not jointly own and operate these canals. 1 see no disad\;intaoe, practical oi' sentimental, to aris(_' from such a scheme. 1 see many advantaecs to iioth countries fi'om the joint possessi.m. I can imaeiiu' iiothinj;' more likely to pi-omote the estaltlishment of that ' lasting' peace and friendship ' hetween the two countries that was aimed at in the tr(\aty of i7S2 than the full and common ' (mjoyment of the recipi'ocal ad\'antapfes and mutual con- veniences ' that are open to hoth nations, in the sha]ie of the uneipi.alleil water stretches thatai-e connnon to lioth, extending fnan the' Soo " to the sea, and includin<>' the artificial channels cut hy the side of Xiaeai'a and St. Tjawrence, in order t(j avoid the rapids of the one and the cataract of the other." And, now. will you sutl'ei' a word o)' two more hy W'ay of surf.u'estinijc the en(|uiry whether any feasible means may he lound of turnine' this areat international watei" way to better advantan'e for the benefit of the jn'airie country that we occupy ■' Is it at all feasilile by utilizini^ some of the —24— natural cIimiiiu^Is of our own NorthwoHt, l»y improvincf some of tlicMii. and \>y o|(eiiiii<,' artificiul ones, to luivu direct water coMiinuiiicatioii from oui- country to tht- lakes or to the ocean? Yo\i are i;ll paiiifnlly ei'iit-cious tliat, as tliinfjs are now, tlie only means of transjioi'tation to tlie lakes is at tlie cost of rates wliieli, e\ en tlioii'di they l)e not — as sonio think — alto- yether unreasonal)le, aif, at all events, many times over a multi|»le of what the eost wuiild he hy watei'. ridess,tlierel'ore, we know at the nutstart that a waterway to tlie lakes or the ocean Hov all or a <,rreat pait of the distance is ii ])rHetica) im|Missihility. tln' (|Urstioii is a most important oni'. We had a hope, at one time, tliat deliverance would come to us hy secin-ini;' a e()mpetint,f line of railway. A<^ainst f^reat oilds and powerfid inlltifuei- we foUiL,dit for years foi' tlie ri^ht to huild anothrr inad. We wei'e even ready to tioht for it, almost, with tin- musket, so inten.se was the feelint; lU the Province. Ill the em], we won. Thi' rioht was eonn ded, an<l tlie railway was secured. I :-iU[)pose no one will tn-day say tliat ou)' expectations have I'ceii in any siilistantial measui'e realisid. We looked foi- real, aeti\e, keen eomjietition. The most enthusiastic hcliexei' in the scheme will )iot to-day say that we have it. or that it has ^iven the relief we expeeied. It is interesting to recal liow eontidently Me wei'«' once lookinj^ to Mr. Oakes and a certain letter he had wi'itten. He was to he our ill livei'er wlieii we arran^'eil with his com))any tliat tlie\- take the control of the new road. Well, Mr. Oakes was i^ivinof evidence, (h(! other day, in the courts of his country, as the newspapers tell us, and h(> told the Court \ery candidly why his eom])aiiy had houifht oui- I'oad. Jt was not, however, with a, vi(!W to estalilisli competition with the Canadian f'acitic, as we supposed. ft was just the revei'se, as he now tells us. It was in order to ))Ut an end to eomjietition. We thou<Tlit the purpose was to lower rates: Mr. Oakes fi-ankly tells us to-day that the ohjeet really was to l;eep up tlie I'ates. Hut let him tell his own stoi-y, as the papers I'ejiort his evidence: — " The Xoi'theru Pacitic and Manitoha l>rancli was hou(,dit hecause of the powerful competition of the Canadian Pacitic, which, unhampered hy an [nter-State C'omnierce Law, was slasliino' i-,ites in a tei'i'ihle niannei-. The acipiisition of the Manitoha i. ranch ^ave the Xorthei-n Pacih'e an enti-ance to Winnipen;, and forced the ^'anadian Pjicitie to maintain rates. Hut ha- the ac(piisition of this hraneh, Mr. Oa,kt*s .said he helieved the Northern Pacitic would annually have to pay the Canadian Pacitic S.'OO.OOO to maintain rates, as was done hy the Tr-.-insc'oiitini^nt.ii Ivailway Association.' I am not here to criticise, much less to rellect upon, tho -25— actions of nuy of our pulilie iiiuii in connection with this tmnsuction. I simply wish to suijt^'est the lesson it teaclies US,— tlint it is (lifiicult to crejite, ni'uch more difficult to main- tain, active, honest competition between lines of railway, and especially it is so whei-e the lines are con)petitors in other districts, whosi; trade is of more importance to the competing lines. ' ^ If we had watei' communication, however, we know that it would he worth more to us than half-a-dozen lines of railway, even if it were but a four foot chaiuiel like the Ri(k'au and ms the Erie Ciinal was i\)r nearly foi'ty years. W hat evidence have we that such a means of "^transpoitatiou can be secured, at a cost that makes its construction practi- cally possible ' It laust be confessed that the information we have in this dii-eetion is of a very indefinite character, either favorable or unfavorable. Vet a few thou,ii'htful men have ^nveiimoreor less of attention to the (piestion. Ten years a<,fo, when the Moitation in favor of coiistructiiiff a railway to Hudson's Hay was at its hei,i;ht, Colonel T. C. Scoble, of Winnipen-, a ])ractical entrineer of wide experience, and with a personal knowled^^e of the country excelled \>y very few, declare<l his opinion that a waterway to that Bay was f'easible at a much smaller cost than a railway. In the first place, by improvini-' the; Red River at St. Andrew's, we have a clear stretch of watt'f for ovei' three hundred miles, from the City of Winnipeg' to the foot of l.Mke Winnipec,^ Froui that point, CoUaicl Scoble would follow the Nelson River for about two hundred and fifty-live nnles, in which distance inland canals vvould have to be constructed, as he states, ha- twenty- eio-ht ndles. Anothei- canal of fifteen miles would lead from the Nelson valley to a lake, from which flows the Little Churchill Rivei-, a distance of one hundred and seventy-two miles, to the (h'eat Churchill, which latter runs from the junction one hundred und live miles more to the Bay. The whole distance from Winnipeg to Hudson's Bay by this route is said to be eioht hundred and forty-four miles, and which, apart from works that would have to be constructed to avoid rapids, forty-three miles are inlaiid canal.' For ten 3'ears |)ast nothinr^ ftn-ther had i>een heard of a water channel to the Bay, until al)out two years a,i,'o, when Major H. N. Ruttan, City Knnineei- of Winnipeir, a ofentle- man, too, of wide experience and j^^reat knowledoe of the counti-y, pulilished a most interesting' paper showing the feas- ibility, as he contends, of a channel following most of the way the Hays River, somi'times known as a branch of the Nelson. This route, acc:)rd!ng to Major Ruttan, needs scarcely any 2() canal in tlir w-iy nl Iciiilino- I'imih one Ixuly of water to another, ms there is a coiitiniious stream all the way. Of t'oursi- niueh h(>avy work wduIiI lie involved in the way of improving' the channel and making; canals around rapids, but Majoi- Huttaji contideiitly )i«-<'>-ts that the scheme is feasible, anil at a ivasonalile cost. Renewed interest is ffiven to Major Kuttan's papti- at tliis time tlirou(;li a recent letter frou) ih'. Urt(jn, exM.F , addn.'s.sod to the newspapers. That, aj^ain, has led to thv- ret-urrectiiii; by Colonel ScobrI of liis own proposal of ten yeurs .if^-o of the C'hurehill route. Whethei' oithei- of these schemes is practicable it is (piite impossible at present to say. It is, at all events, a matter worthy of con- siiit.'ration anJ en(|niiy. It is to be bcjrne in mind tliat any estimates that may lie now suiji;-ested of probalih; cost must be base<l on altoifether insufli lent data. No actual sui'vey has been made of any part of eith(;r route. 'J'he fact that there is a channel throujfhout the wliole or any particular j)artof the distance, either way, is of little conse(|uence until we know from instrumental survc>ys the ))robablt' cost of makiiifr the channel itself navipibli!. Many miles of the (!hannel may be of the character of the St. l^awrence rapids, or those at Smdt St. ?darie, wliidi have involved ''le expendi- ture of so many millions to o\crcome them. The ])ublic are indebted to the gentlemen named, who have gone to no little ti-oublc in their investigations, foi- drawing atti'nti(in to the ])roposed routes, and it is to be hoped it may h>ad to a further consideration of the (piestion. Hut unless and until an actual survey shall be made, tiie (piestion of a water I'oute to the Hudson's liay caiuief. l)e considei'ed a living one. That any ( Jovertnneiit would grant an estimate for evi'U a surve}' of tlie route is more th in doubtful 'Mider present cii'cumstanccH. What e\idence have we of the feasibility of olitaining a chamiel connecting the Red River with Lnke Sujierior ? Twelve ye-ars ago, f)r more, this <|Uestion was lii.'ing agitated among ouv neighiiors in .Minnesota and Dakota. It is said, indeed, that a pi'elinnnai'y survey was made for n ch;uniel tliMM C(aitem])lated. The'route was by the Red Lake River and Red Lake, from (Ji.ind Forks easterly. From Red Lake connection was proposed to be n>ade with some of the lakes and streams f(»rming the head water.s of the Mi.ssissijjpi. From these latter, connection was to be made liy canal with tlie St. Louis River, which runs into Like Superior at Duluth. Whether any delinite estimate was made of the cost of a channel in this direction, I Inow not. At .-dl events, nothing came of it, although in recent years the (juestion has been once more discussed, and \\a^ one of the subjects brouo-ht -27 liofore tlie (Irand Foi-ks Reciprocity Cunventiou in lNf)2. It is the opinion of not a few wlio liuve <rivoii the (piestioii some consideration that a nioi'e feasible scheme for connecting the Red River with Lake Superior is by way of the Lake of the Woods. And tlie numlier is greater who have ffjitli in the possibility, as well as the advantage, of a canal to the Lake of the Woods itself, even if it shoidd lie impossible to continue it to Lake Superioi-. Over a year ago, the gentlemen who are now promoting the construction of the Manitobii Soiitli-Hastei'u Railway, to Butt'alo Bay on the Lake of the Woods, obtained a charter to c(jnstruct a canal from that lake to Red River. I do not understand that they had n\ade such surveys ')r examination of the country as enabled them to decide or. any particular route. They had simply [nad(,' such a general examination of the countiy as satistied tliom that such a channel was feasible. One pro|)osal was to use the channel of the Rosseau River, whose hea<l waters are within twenty miles of Buffalo iSay. For more than that distance the land is said to lie very level — chielly muskegs — the height of land I'ising, according tu some accounts, not more than ten or twelve feet above the waters of the lake, althougli more recent testimony indicates that it is altont twenty feet. It is said that a channel can be o])ened to the head waters of the Rosseau at little cost, the country being pretty free; from rocks. Mr. Lonsdale, of Headingly, who a numVier of years ago passed ovei- that ccjuntiy a great deal, tells us that in tiiree successive seasons lie paddled his canoe by this route from Buffalo Bay to Red River, without making a single portage. The fall fi'om the Lake of the Woods to the Red River near Dominion City is about two hundred and sixty feet. As the Ros.seau, for a. great part of its course, passes through Mitniesota, the tipening of a chatiiiel by that route would lie an international (pU'stion. That, however, instead of being an objection, might be an advantage, as it nnght help to solve the very ipiestion that is agitating the minds of our neighbors in Minnesota and North Dakota. Another route, one strongly favored by sv)me men who have been over the countiy, and particular!}', I UTu'.erstand, by those who hold the charter referred to, is from Buffalo Bay thi'ough Manitoba, to the head waters of the .Seine, which runs into the Red River at St. Boniface. Still another is to connect l)Uff'iilo Bay in the same way with Red River, entering the Red Riven* near St. Agathe. As in the case of the Rosseau route, tlie ground for some distance from Buffalo Bay to the west, for either of these I'outes, is level .'ind lioggy, with 2« a slight run uf water to tliu ll,i y. With the imj.iovcd iiuKlorn apphancL's lor opfninuf (h'aiiis in such a ,st)il a.s oius, aii.l with the «;oiioraliy levol character of the couiitiy und tlu- iihsriice ot rock iuul rapids in the stivtiiii, the promoters of this scheme claim that a caiiul to tlie lied Hiv(;r, of a depth of six feet, can be opened at an exceed iiinly small cost. The fall to he' overcome hetweeii the J.,d<e of the Wo.mIs and the Red River at Winniperr is at the same time quite ii consider- al.le one,— alnnit tww huudivd and ninetv feet in a hundred Uiiles. Whether it is really feasil,le, at a reasunahle cost, to open aehannel hy either of such routes is not, however, a (|uesti(;n that can yet lie answered. Xo one has the information on which asatejud^iiieiit can he formed, ijut it is at least a .lUestion upon which It would he well for the authorities to ohtain deliiute inlonnation hy a proper survey. There is no (piestion with any (.1 us as to the advanta,<re this country would derive could such a channel he opened. Once at tlie"waters of the Lake ol the \\ oods, we have oi)en iiavi<ratioii for over one hundred and ten miles, to Fort Francis, on the hoiindarv line hetween Ontario and Minnesota. Assumino- that a water channel hv way of the route mentioned would he feasihle, there w.'.uhl still remain the problem ot reaching- Lake Superior from the hea.l of the Kainy River. lUit let us suppose that the Lake could not !;o reacie.1 Irom this point by water. Would not the connecting. ol the Ited Kiver with the Lake of the Woods and the Rainv River l.y water be in itself of tremendous ad\anta(.e t"() Manitol.a/ Surely, of this there can be no doubt. If we can but reach out to those waters, we oet into the richest timber country on the continent: and on the Red River will the nulls bo erecte.l, where th,; timber will be cut, instead of being hauled to Rat Portage. A .saving of the haul by rail rom Rat Portage to the Red River wid be, indee.l, a, rnvat boon, not only to Winnipeg, but to the whole Province "^ ,\'e liave a prospect of a supply of coal in the same district winch would also be of immen.se value tiMis. R.-tween the' Red River and the Lake of the Woods, too, Manitoba has a va.st tract ot unoccupied territory at present jiracticallv useless, except as to a small fringe on the west .side The and m this district, under the .settlement with the Dominion government, would nearly all come to the Province as swam,, laiKLs. Who can estimate the value to tliis Province of a reclamation ot these lands, which would to a laroe ,U.„Te,. be effected by the opening of such a channel through our own teiTitory/ Who can estim.-.te the benefit, to Winnir)e.r -29- cspccially, of opciiiiii,'' up tliis country nnd niakincr tlic cntiro • listnct down to Rainy River ti-il.iitary to its trade ' Tlieii, even if We cannot reach Lake Superior liv water from that point, is there any douht that there will, in' a very short tune, I.e a line ot rail fi-oni Duliith to Rainv River? The activity that prevails even now on the America^! side of that riv(.'r is a sutHcient guarantee that such a line will soon he hudt. Already the rails are laid for, 1 believe, the ^'reater I)artol the(|istance to the mining- country around Vermillion Lake, and if we cannot fret hy water to Lake Siip.M'ior we shall at least have rail to Duluth. and to ol. tain access even l)y rail to that port in comix'tition with om- existin*,^ linoH would he worth a oreat deal to Manitolia, Assuminrr, howevei', that we shall Hnd means of oponin^^ a water route t(j the Lake of the Woods, 1 have Iiope tha't means will somehow he found of reachinrr Lake Superior without a transfer to I'ail cars. Th.e late Ale.xander McKenzie, in liis .scheme of steam conununication with Manitoba, jx-ndinc- the completi(.)n of the (/anadian Tacitic Road, proposed to utilize the " water stretches," as he tei-med them. i>etween Lake Superior and the Lake of tlie Woods. By constructinf the Fort Francis locks at the head of Rainy River, which were nearly completed, communication hy boat with Rainy Lake is opened, and from there to within a distance of about forty mill's of Fort WilHam there is almost a continuous water route, a numlier of j)ortai,a's, not exceedinrr in all eio-ht miles, intervening. 1 know not whether any estimate lias been made of the j)robable cost of overcoming'these. The character of the coiuitry, as evidently appears from, the many rejiorts we have upon it, is such, doubtless, as to involve very heavy rock cuttinir and a lar^^e expenditure, especially from the heifrht of land to Lake Superior. Another route that has been su^rcr.'sted from Rainy Lake to Su[)erior is by the chain of lakes and rivers that run alonji- the international boundary, endin^r in the Pijtreon Rivei- valley. The character of the country is said to be much tlu; same as on the more northerly route. Still another route spoken of is from the Rainy River or Lake; to J^uluth, by way of the valley of the stream that runs north from the heiglit of land around Vermillion Lake, and thence i-eachinn' the waters of the .stream tliat Hows througli the valley of St. Louis to Duluth. Apiin it is likely the charactei- of the woi-k would be exceedino-ly heavy. (Jf the feasibility of any such schemes I do not understand that much is known. I have never heard that any survey of any of them, with a view to such a proposal, has ever been made. But 1 repeat that, with a chainiel once open coiuiecting tlie 30— Red River an.l all its tril.utfii'ios witli the Luke of tlio Woods the (|uostioii of coinpletiiio' the schcm.- Iiy a watorwuy to Lake Superior, l.e the cost wliat it may, wotdd deserve, and receive, consKh-ration. It would tlieii l>eeoinea (|nestion of so imich' iiiipoi'tance, lioth to the l/nited States and Canada, that a •solution would in som.' way prohahly lie found. L, the words of Sir Willian. Y-.m Home, " It should l.e provided at any cost. ' At the most, it would never, [ am contident, hecdn toecpial tlie cost of >;onstructin^r the Wellan.l canal. /Cnd yet the ti'aHic which it woul ' receive and the interests which it would accommodate, even to-day, immcasuraMv exceed in extent and importance those that the Welland" canal were intende.l to serve when the late Hon. William H. Merritt led m the a^ntatu.n that securrd its construction. And who will venture to estimat.' the extent of the trallic of the Northwest in a very few years, if a water rouce to the lakes weref)pened^ I he very commencement of opeuino' such a channel, with an assured prospect of success within a reasonahle time, would ^'ive a marked impetus to immi^n-ation,— more, in fact than all the money we ever spent for tlie purpose. It would «ive an imi)etus to pn^duction and to every kind of enteri)rise in this country that the most san<ruine never .livamed of. We have been for years most earnest heliexers in a route hy Hu(lsons I5ny, and we have heen hoping- against hoi.e that a Imeot rails would ^nve us access to its waters. I just wish to su^rgest one advanta^-e, amongst others, in tin; route hy the lakes. We have already a perfect knowledjov of that route We km.w how lon,irit is open in the year, and we know that on the lakes there are to-day, besides hundreds of smaller eratt, a business lleet of at least two thousand five hundred ships competmo- for the tiatfic. And th.'re is local tratJie all the way to the sea that stimulates competition. If wo even reach the Hu.lson Bay, whether it be by rail or canal, we cannot have this advantacfe, at least for many years to come. Another consideration affecting the (piestion— not exactly indicating an advantage in the lake route in itself, but withal a veiy important circumstance— is that, in improving the lake' and ht. Lawrence route and in seeking to connect the i)rairie counti-y with It, we will be working in unison with the eastern part of the Donnnion,— the part which controls the striim-.s of he public purse. The St. Liiwrenee an<l lake route is one that the country, as a whole, is interested in maintaining: and the Last IS interested in bringino- the tra<le of tlu' great Northwest t.y that way. In saying this, I do not seek to detract from the merits that the Hudson IJay route may possess. Confessedly however, we have not the knowledge "of it yet that we haye' '.i\ ot the other, oi- thut iiiakes its sueceas a certainty ; and I <i() not hesitate to say that, in my own jiidninctit, th.-n^ seems a snrer opt'niiiir for us in the <liivetion' ol'' the hikes. And not the least important considtsration favoring' this route is tlu! I'act that it is an international one. Had one the time to refer to it, and Iiad von the patience to listen, it w()uld l)e interestintr also to refer to other and i^reat po.sHihdities in coniieetion with oui' waterways in tliis Northwest. If we had a channel to eoiuieet our Red River with the hdx-es, who will j.ut a lindt to the possihilities in the way of extendin^r the system to the west and iioi'th-west, l.y the Assinil.oine and its hranehes, and hy our own north-wostern hikes / There wasa time when the waters of a great portion of the far north-west came do\x-n into the valley of the Red liiver. To l.ring some of them in the .same direction apiin would involve, we are assured, l.ut little (^.xpense. TIk* (juestion of a canal from Lake .Manitol.a to the Assiniboine is by no means a new one. For the, past twenty years official surveys have been nuule, and reports pulilished from time to time, shuwino- the small cost of eonnecting these waters by a channel to the Assiniboine at or near Reaburn. ('olonel .Scoble, after a careful estimate— based, doubtless, on accurate information— put it as low as S.SOO,000. J.ake Winnipegosis IS about nineteen feet higher than Lake Manitoba. Its waters reach those of Lake Manitoba by a circuitous cour.se, and both have an outlet through a rapid stream, with a, fall of over eighty feet, into Lake Winnipeg. The sui'veys sh.nv that at Meadow Portage there is but a strip of about a mile and a- half wide between Lakes Manitoba and Winnipegosis, and by a little cut in this and the opening of the canal to tlie As.Hinilioine alreaily referred to, the surplus waters of these two great lakes, and of all of tlieir trilaitaries, could he bnjught down into the Assiniboine and Red Rivers. To coiHiect the head waters •)f Winnipegosis, again, with Cedar Lake simply means to cut a channel in a strip, of lam] about four miles in width, lying between tlie two, at Mos.sy Portage, the waters on both si.les being at practically the same level. Cedar Lake is on the (Jreat Saskatchewan River, that pours its waters into Lake Winnipeg. All this, and the effect of tapping the Saskatchewan by the means suggested, has been pointed out frequently, during the last twenty yearsi in tlie ofllicial repoi'ts, but hitherto no attempt has been made to take ad\antage of it. The people of Winnipeg have not realised that, by the expenditure of a very small sum, navigation can be opened for hundreds of miles to the north- west, bi-inging the entire region that is triimtary to th ese -:}2 rakoH, as ucll asti,,. upprr Sasl.;utdi,.wan, witl.in sU„inhn:it communieatK.n with that city. It w.m.I.I ^-ivr am-ss to thr rich salt .l..iH,,s.tH of the VVi.ini|M.^rosiH, t.. thf vahiaLle tiinher <listnc s Ml that (hivcti ami to thf rich hiii.ls of th.- district arouM.I I.akc Dauphin, which in c(..).ir,;tr.| l,v a CM.si.hTal.lc HtrcMii. with the waters u\' Winnipefrosis. How Tar the fjivat volume ot vvater that «ouM thus he l.rounht into the He,| Kiver wouhl oF itself settle the proiJein of the St. A.nliews nipwls ,t IS not for nie to offer an opinion. Manifestly it wouNI at least reduce the iK.,..led expeiuliture on that work U> H nHnunuin. It niicrjit provf.kc n smile were I to sui^^est shat at ii<» very heavy cost— luavy, I mean, as coiipare.l with the vast amounts put into many of .an' Can^Miian puMic woi kss— water communication, with a .leptii surlicient to secure nav.^ration can be n.aintaine.i alon;,. the Assinihoine River past this City of I5ran,lon, and to its upper waters, and alonij' the valley of tl... (,)„ Appelle to connect with the South Saskatchewan at the olhow of that river. I am not here to recommend such a scheme as .me at present to he advocated .y thi.s Institute, t\a;, pcr.sonally, I know nothing, as to its (casih, ity There ,s eno.^rh of an immediately practical character to take up the time and attention of the Farmed' institute, without advocatin^Mdl the possible schemes that the kn r f h':7 '"'^'l-- ^' '' !"t^'>\«tin«-, at the same time, to k . w that men of en^uieenn^. skill and experience have, studied the rpiestion, and have declared that it is ,,erfcctlv tcasd.Ie, and at a surprisin^dy small cost. The head of the guAi.pelle valley is within a few miles of the South ^Saskatchewan. ^I'he two valleys, in fact, connect, hut there is a very considerable elevation at the head of the gu'A.nH'lle by which the waters of the Saskatchewan are prevente. n coming into ,t, althouoh there is little d<,ubt thit, at an earlier period, the waters of the South Saskatchewan flowed into the Qu Appelle. More than ten years ago, Mr, 1). A Kei/er v ciyil engineer residing in Winnipeg, went carefullv ' and nnnute y into the whole <p,estion, mluk^ a proHIe of the'wMe route showing the elevations, and elaborated ,. scheme for the entire enterprise. I u.ention this simply to sh(,w t at there are great possibilities i„ the future, in connection wit these waterways, of which we little dream. And though wo are no here tonight advocating the taking of any steps to promote any scheme that is not at present practicable, yet we may be permitted to look forward to the dav when much th it now seems a most chimerical will become pVactical proble s And the possibility of such extensions of iur wuter^con mu-" - :V.\ CII I.l.'ntl.rjis us niv sii-J(rst...l l,y i.i.i. likr ....^Mtwcrs Sc..l,|,. luitt|man.I Kn/rr, rvrii if ut; s|m,ii1,| cull tlinn I'litlinsiMsts' Hlh.ul.l stiiHiilal,. u,s to tUv illlI.r..VrlMMlt(.l' tllC'Sr (•..i.inHiiiicH- tioris III .'Very .liivctiui. in wliidi it has l.,vii pruvidto Ik- pnietu'ulilc. Ill th. iiicun (iiiic, there is s<.im'thin<;' of a vwy ].ruc'tieul aracter i\,v ii:s heiv to .h.. in the direction oi' I'orwar.liiM' the inipruveuieiit ..I til.' vNater system, s., „s t,. l.riiiy i„,.ne7liate Ixnelit. W e siioni.l he ever and {'oiistantlv ])ressiii(r niion the "Uth.aities tiie nee.l „i' u speedy canpletioH of the l'<.nrteen toot chamiel to Montreal, lo.^kin;: at tli.' [a.^t, it n.uv he feared that umess pressure IS hrou-ht to Invir, its e<.iiip|eti"on i.iav he delayed <.ven heyoixl i,S!)7. We .should, I think, endeavor" t.u, to lead puhhc opinion to the advi.snhilitv of seekiii;^'' tho' co-operation of our repiii.licin nei^dihors ' in .le.'ix'niiii} tlio channel in tlie near future lo twenty f-et riejit thioiioh To the sea, placincr tJu't'iitire work under 'the chat'ue ,,f an'lnterna- tional Coniinission. 'rh.'re is one more sii/mestion of a practical character that 1 ilesire to offer. Some months a^o, the First Miruster at Ottawa sent two of Ids colleagues to this Xortiiwest to study the wants and nee, Is ,>f the (totintry and its settlers. Perhaps the menus used to ^vt at what they wanted mav not have hecn invariahly t!ie he.st. At all events, the memhers of tins Institute are free to express them.sclvt'S frankly and to indicate what theii- orievances are. .\iid on tho trans])ortation (jUestion J fim sure yuu have hut (me opinion. "Sow, we see it announced that the Premier is ahout to issue a Commission to empiire into this very (piestion of transportation. I suppose it will include also an eiKpiiry into the means that may he open to ohtain relief. Would it not be at once wise 'and o])liortune to ask of the Federal P(.wers that, in connection w ith this eiKpiiry, they sluaild have a careful survev made of the country hetweeii the Red Kiver and the Lake of the Woods, with a view to consideriiifi' the feasihility of a canal route and the proliahle cost of such an enterprise i }lavin^' taken tlu^ best of our lands and resources whci-ewith to construct a line of i-ailway to the PaciHc, which, in reaching' that distant coast at all events, .serves Federal and Imperial rath(!j' than local pui-poses, and havinn^ subjected us to the burden of the present rates, wc- surely have a cl;iini to consideration to the extent of makinfr^ full oncpiiry as to the feasibility of a water route. Surely there is the more justilication for the demand when we 'reflect that the oliject of it would he to facilitate ■ - • ■ . -^ - -•- our own D 'acilitate trade between the East and West ominion. Once more T remark that our :U Aim'ricui iici(rlil, ,rs aiv on tin- iikivc to ("stiiMisli .N.itiT i'wiiiiiiiitiicafi..ii with tlif laki's. Kvcti tis I writ*' tliiw lines, I iviid tliiit ill \V'!isliiii<,ft..ii, ('(.iinivss is! likely in a few .lavs 'to puss an ap{U'(.|.iMaf.i(>ti I'm- a survey nf a clianiicl t'rnui tlic'lird.l waters of till' Mis.sissi))|)i to Lake Siipeiior. , Ai,'niii our iiei^rlihors hid lair to .^ret ahead of lis, and in a Tew^-eais \\r niiiy nee the cities of St. I'aul and Minneapolis and ilu' ^nv;it Aiiiorian northwest <iiiJoyiii<; the aii\antaov of dinet water conimunication to the sea', (aiuida, on tla (.th. r hand will he l«'t't to <;lory in, haviii<r spent ninh one hundre.l aii<l til'ts- iiiillions in ^nM and lands to eonstnu't a niilwav whos," niai'n liii'' is now in the Tnited States, contrihiitinn- t, the huildino- ol' the.se seine Aiiieiiean eilie> and thatsfinie Anieiiean ina-tl" west. And, in the nic-m time, we are keepin^^' (ai rieht in tile same line, payiiiif to lines oi' vessels on tli<^Atl;iiitTe and I'aeilie siilisidies that are ei|u.il to the interest on ni'ai'lv thirt\' niillioiis ol" dollars. Surely the time is o|,)i(>rtune to iirj;(> on the Federal i'ow.'rs that they should at least m;ike a surve\- ,,i' our comitry to test the i'easil.ilily of a ch.'iniiel hy the J.ak-' (.f the Woods when We k iiow that the eharaete'- of the eoiintrv is at least niueh more i'avoral.le to the eoiistruetion of siieh a work. 1 venture, theivioiv. tosu^'^cst that at this meetiiiir of y.air Institute it would hi' wise to take action in the wav of nieni()rialisino' the ( loveiiiment of the DMiuinion on ' tlie Hilestion. i