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Les diagrammes suivants illustrent la mdthode. 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 • 6 1 THE USE OF INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC IN THE PUBLIC WOESHIP OF GOD. BY REV. GEORGE CHRISTIE. HALIFAX, N. S. : PRINTED BY JAMES BARNES. 1867. ■ . 'I ' ' , 1, » , .I.Jtl ■.( ■ I ■ ^tU.!! '.jl.J (.tri!.,'l 'I " ■. I I - ■' 11 •! I • 'i; ( - , .,'1 •: I /"t, . t'lHidn • 1 .■.'»- m •' ' , '. -M •■' ..■:',.' ,' , ' -. ., ;';, ■ ,_ ■ill , 1,,, . , ...(ri III \'':r. ■•■' ■ I.' r. , . ,, . I,, I ,' ..('.', I '7 , I.* I'.Ml'' ,»-'»il ■''. !"-■( ' •■ ■ '< ' • . • ■ 1 ; ' '. '' ; .■• ,,M, I ( r.''. :;i;i!>M'>f <_.! ) r^i^td^ ' ■ . • ■ . i-i' I '.' .; ' , I'.ii!! ' I'l'h' ( I'l iiii. 'i\ )>>n - .? ■ '■/■•, I )' 1"'^ ••'■'• . ',' ■ • ' ,'.. I* ..,• ., ' I ■■ , it.^.ii. , (•HI, /(; ,'.;1;; ;».,.;. iij. i . , ' ■ ' ' . ii; : .,'■'■ ' •* •■' ■' ' ■ '••'{>■ •/(>.-!. j/«,(( I >fc|iul I ■ "•' ; ;'^' ■' INTRODUCTION. - •^^•"-'f; ••'."'' ^'■'; • ;' ' 'i,i • I .il 'lii;.!' '■■: 'i.'.i;')" " '' . .-.i i' 'iiifi'_^ ■^IliUnuiXr' ' l' M ' 'i ...'111 • 'n-t I' Ir /7(M "W i/.j" I' ".ItX'M »! (t-M(f# TV <Ae Members of the Presbyterian Church in general. To my own Congregation in particular. Dear BRBTHREN.'-The aim of the following Dialogue is to bring before you the arguments for and against " instrumental music in the worship of Grod." It is a subject in which many of you feel a deep interest— and respecting which it is presumed you have a desire to form an honest and conscientious opinion. That important principles are involved in the discussion, no thoughtful person can doubt. And yet, from remarks which I have occasionally heard, I do fear that opinions are Boir i;times formed before parties have taken time to examine both aides of the question. The agitation about Church music has been carried on almost wholly by parties seeking for change ; while the opposite party, relying upon the protection of truth, have scarcely taken the trouble to reply — apparently believing that the question was so plain as not to require argument. The effect of all this has been, so far as I can judge, to create an impression in some minds that no solid arguments can be brought against instrumental music ; and that our opposition is the fruit ot prejudice, or ignorance of what may be said in favour of the practice. Thus, in the language of lawyers, it may be said we have suffered "judgment to go by default." Another circumstance that has tended to foster the impression that " instru- ments" are at least lawful, is the practice of other christian churches — most of which permit their use. And this Las been still farther strengthened by the bold and confident language of the advocates of instrumental music who, not only make a free use of Scripture, but backed, as they pretend, by such high authority, occa- sionally venture so fiu as to hint that christians who do not use the organ, or some other instrument, are wanting in their duty to God. It would be strange if such considerations as these should have no influence upon those who are either unable or unwilling to examine the subject closely. And it is to afford assistance to such as are willing to accept a guide in their investigations that I have prepared and put in a readable form the arguments on both sides of the question. There are other arguments that I have not had room to introduce, but I have dealt with those which the advocates of the organ seem to rely upon as the most forcible-^not forgetting, at the same time, those that seem to have had success on account of their pUuuibUUy, rather than their power to influence the judgment. If time and space had permitted, I would gladly have given longer extracts from the arguments of organ advocates, along with the names of the writers. I have endeavoured to do them justice, for in my opinion, nothing is gained to the cause oftratk by hiding or misrepresenting the arguments of an opponent. It will be IV found that many sentences are marked by the usual sign of a quotation. These* are, in almost every case, the very words of some writers from whose views I dissent, and in most cases, they will be recognized us the arguments with which many of you are most familiar. Whether I have done justice to the subject or not, must be judged by reading what I have written. And I now ask you to look at the whole subject — not as one of a trifling nature, but as one involving, to ii large extent, the spiritual growth and comfort of God's people. In arguing the points brought up, I hope I have done so " not as one who strives for the mastery," but with the feel- ing that in this wwk, as in every of hor, tlie glpry uf God and tl»e good of my fellow beings should be my chief aim. And now I submit to- you wliat I have written, reminding you of the injunction of Scripture, " Pnwe all things ; hold fast that which is good." That we may all meet at last in the sanctuary above, and there unite in singing the praise of God and the Lamb, is the earnest prayer of him who now addresses you. avAj.Vs^s.^ ,', QEQjjQj. CimiSTIE, YjiRHOUTn, January llth, 1867.""-"^ "*' «" •' ;*<ri' ,i">|jfi\|.i f)oi>iin;)i •• («A- . . »; > .t i,; u ',t» e us) '•'<■' I 'f\W i-i ' ..r^ ;,•." r«':; i>,J(> itiflU lu-i' Oir I "I'' fi (! :.i!r«iU ri'i '9«JJ ui .Kurf'f A''U'»t'f(j .<ffl >;■ tv 1«««MB; - ill''-:-.. ,i .ti,;:>h;l; 'r-IT nnl;.-:, -i >■> .fl''J" '-h ,lii» i.j '"* .'.1 .V ('tl.'JiOVM' ; liiU! ■ ■ ' ' ' .,, , ■• »(!•»! -//"^ (/■.■!■ ^' '•■ITfK !■> .ftfr; ... ^ ..,..■,,. ,,« |,,, ,, „,|,,l Ti, id )[ Ji. (*^ 'nil 9 r, 1 .. .• • w;. .«■■■' . ,. „ ,^ . . .. .'l.( , .1:1 I j'^». M 'H 1 DI^LOaUE ON TIIK SUBJECT OP .t ri INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC. I •','■■■ • '' ' ' -I' 1 f ..U^.')' ■ i.r ' M. I am told that the congregation of ■ • are going to have an organ in their church. Their young minister, I am glad to find, is not afraid to risk the censure of his " fathers and brethren," when he believes he is right. C. I cannot say that I participate in your feelings in this respect. There are wiser men in the Synod to which he belongs than he, who would disapprove of such an innovation ; and I would respect him more, if he showed a little more regard for the Confession of Faith and " Ordination vows" than such a step would seem to indicate. M. It may be only a report, but I really hope it may be true, for I think the Presbyterians are behind the times. There is our Synod, for instance — condemning, almost unanimously, the use of instrumen- tal music ; while all other churches, with a few exceptions, have & fine " organ," and, of course, a far larger congregation than they would have without such attraction. C I am aware that other denominations permit, if they do noli defend, the use of instruments ; and in this respect it is quite true that we are behind the times. But a more important question is, " Are we behind the word of God ?" For the Bible, and not human opinions and practices, is the acknowledged rul^ in such mattef s. M. But you will not surely venture to assert that the Scriptures forbid the use of instruments in praising God ? On the contrary, we find that God's people used them, under the Old Testament dispensa- tion—and that is pretty good evidence that there was nothing sinful ' in their use. Indeed the case is even stronger than I have put it. They were commanded to praise God with "stringed instruments" and " organs." For my part, I do not see how people can pretend to worship God, after what is said in the Bible, and not have an organ or some other musical instrument It is plainly stated that " God commanded his people to use such instruments, and I do not find any place where he withdrew the command.** ^ v C, You speak very decidedly my friend — and, If I may judge from the tones of your voice, I would say, warmly. You must, how- over, admit that the subject i» far too serious to be decided by mere feeling. The privilege of worshipping God is so precious and exalted, that <e//' should, as far as possible, be excluded from all discussions respecting the mode in which that worship should be rendered. Nay more : so important, in my estimation, is the subject now before us, that if I could accept the opinions which you have expressed with refer- ence to praise, I do not tliink that I could possibly feel reconciled to worship in which instruments of music were not used. A command of God is, in my view, too so' mn and binding to be left subject to the will of any creature. Could you satisfy me that the statements you have just made are correct, I would no longer feel that those who reject instruments can offer acceptable praise to God. I have heard your arguments before, and they always strike me as proving (if they prove what you intend) that our present modes of worship are not acceptable to God. I hold it to be as really sin to neglect anything that €k)d has commanded, as it is to add to the " worship and ordi- nances which he has a^ipointed in his word." Now, granting you the full force of your argument, I have to ask you one question, Did the Apostles and, the early Christian church use organs or other musical instruments in the worship of God ? M. No, of course not. I did not say they used instruments. The state of the church at that time C. Excuse me ; I am anxious that we should not encumber the question in hand with any extraneous matter. At the proper time you will have an opportunity of introducing your ojjservations about the state of the early christian church. Your answer covers the whole question that I put to you. Now, you admit that Christ and the Apostles did not use musical instruments in the worship of God. That admbsion you could not avoid, for there is nothing in the inspired record to warrant us to believe they did — but much that seems to render it certain they did not. I ask you, then, to put these facts be- sfde your statement, that " the use of instruments is commanded ;" that " God commanded their use, and the command has not been with- drawn." If your argument be valid, you perceive it leads to the con- clusion that the Apostles — men professing to be under the direction of the spirit, of God — were, at the same time, acting in opposition to, or disregard of, the command o& GU)d ! You are not willing to admit such a coaclusion as this. I know you believe they were divinely inspired ; and moreover that their instructions and example ought to be received as in&lUble. M. While I say that we have the authority of the word of God for the use of musical instruments in his worship, I do not hold that we are positively commanded to use them. I only maintain that it cannot be wrong to use them, when we find that they have been used for such a purpose — not that those who refuse are guilty of sin. G. Exactly. Your argument is about the same as we meet in the speeches and writings of the organ advocates in general. They always start on this high ground. With more policy, as it seems to mc iTian downright honesty, tlicy commence with throwing n few pas- sages of Scripturo in the face of their opponents ; hut when they are shown the consequences of their own argument, they draw back. In fact, they find that it proves too much, and they must therefore know that it is worthless. I think it would bo more consist^^nt with the chanicter of honest men to let the Scriptures alone altogether, than to handle them in tliis deceitful way. Reasoning from the forms of worship under the Jewish dispensation, is an example of this. Every person who reflects must be aware that all the worship of the Jews was regulated by positive precept, and therefore could not be a matter of indifference. Look, for example, at that favourite passage, among organ advocates, (2 Chron., 29, 25.) There, they say, is a proof that mtisical instruments were used by the command of God ; and, shall I say it ? with most unblushing effrontery they add, " We do not find that the command has been withdrawn." If they were content to refer to such passages to prove that instrumental music cannot be wrong per se, I would be contented to let the argument pass for what it is worth, in that aspect. But surely it is disingenuous, or else indi- cative of inability to comprehend the position into which they force themselves, to use this passage as a proof text in favour of musical instruments, while yet they plead that they are not bound to use them. The offering of sacrifices had nothing wrong in it "jocr se." Such offerings were commanded ; but what sane man would contend that christians are now bound (or even permitted) to worship God, in offering to Him the " blood of slain beasts," I suppose you are ready to reply that sacrifices wore typical, and must of necessity cease after the coming of the anti-type ; but allow me to say that, in the argu- ment before us, this is only " begging the question." We hold that thfl instrumental music was typical also ; and, in the present argu- ment, both may fairly be put on the same ground. The advocates of the organ do not attempt to deny that it was typical, but they labour to get over the difficulty by maintaining that " instrumental music, though entering ii:.;o a typical economy, had an aspect that was not typical, but was, like singing, a help in producing devotional feeling — a purely subjective effect, as well as an aid in singing." And then, of course, they come to their favourite conclusion, to which I have refer- red already, " It was warranted. By what principle, or by what command, or in what way, was the warrant removed ?" Now all this seems very plausible ; but there are difficulties in the way of adopting their premises. For example, I find no warrant in the Scriptures for f'ae assertion that the instruments were intended as an " aid in sing- ing." The admission that it was * ceremonial worship,' seems to me to overturn such an hypothesis. When we have found a sufficient reason in what the Scriptures recognize as its intent, we may well hesitate to add others which are only the suggestions of men who are plainly making a case to sustain their own preconceived opinions. M. But whether you are willing to admit that the instruments were designed to assist the people in praising God or not, you will at least confess that practically this was the effect C As to that, I do not profess to have such knowledge as would s enable me to speak positively. I can only say that I have great diffi- culty in imagining how the voices of singers could be assisted by such * music as learned men suppose the instruments then in use could pro- duce. I do not think a " hundred and twenty" trumpets could make much music. I should say that the number of distinct notes would be rather limited. I can indeed imagine the effect, when hundreds of such instruments poured forth their deep solemn sound. Probably it would have something of the same awe-imposing effect as the voice of " mighty thundering ;" and this, I believe, was the design of the trum- pets. The people had not yet been privileged to hear the soft, sweet voice of the Gospel. Tliey were yet " under the schoolmaster pre- l)aring them for Christ," and therefore the solemn and awful sound of the trumpets was a fitting monitor for the time then being. The author of the article on Music, in Smith's Dictionary of the Bible, »ays the trumpets were probably intended to set forth, by way of sym- bol, the royalty of Jehovah, the theocratic king of His people, as well as to sound the alarm against His enemies. (2 Chron., 13, 12.) There were also instruments with tones less awful, but according to my ideas they could not be so sounded as to make a very harmonious and pleas'ing concord. Of course I do not force my views on this l>oint, because, as I said, it is one on which I do not profess to have sucli knowledge as would warrant me to speak positively. But even were I to admit that the dreams of those who speak with so much unction and delight of the " splendid music" of the old Dispensation, were sober truths, I do not think we would be much nearer the settlement of the question before us, — for it wa» not (and couid not he) congrega- tional singing. The music was a distinct part of the ritual service, and it was entru»ted to a distinct class of men, viz., a part of the Levites. And if you will read attentively your favourite chapter (2 Chron., 29), you will find, at the 28th verse, that, while the singers sang and the taumpeters sounded, the " congregation" are represented as " worshipping." Tlie word " worship" here used signifies, in the original Hebrew, " to bow down" — to prostrate one's self, — an atti- tude most appropriate for prayer, but certainly not favourable for singing. In fact, it is a word altogether different from that which is used to describe the part which the singers took in the services of that memorable occasion. I do not pretend to great , kill in explaining the different parts of the Jewbh ceremonial ; and on this account I would not venture, while engaged in controversy, to attempt to strengthen my position by shewing the typical character of those parts of Jewish worship that we have been considering. It may, not, however, be out of place to remind you that an inspired Apostle speaks of the previous " dis- pensation" as only adapted to persons whose religious conceptions were imperfectly developed. Tlie " heir" was yet in a state of " nonage," and must therefore be under tutors and governors that knew how to adapt their instructions to the pupil's age and previous habits of thought. It were much to be desired that the christians of our day would think of these things. Then we might hope to be able to save them from a return to t]be " weak and beggarly elementft" of a formor dispensation. I just now remember some remarks of the celebrated Burroughs, one of the Westminster Divines. Allow me to read a few sentences. " They (the Jews) had external things to gain them to serve God. As we deal with children, so God dealt with the O. T. church. As children when they begin to learn must have a great many pictures in their books, so God taught the Jews with outward ceremonies, which afterward the Scripture calls hue beggarly rudiments. Children you know are much pleased with gay things, and they that would bring Jewish ceremonies, or ceremonies of their own invention into the church, treat the church as if in her childish condition In the state of the Gospel, the people of God are come to the adoption of sons. And so children, you know, are pleased with hearing music, and pipes, and such things, which men would bring still into the church, in the times of the gospel. I remem- ber Justin Martyi*, in answer to that about musical instruments, saith that they are fit for children and fools ; as organs and the like, and therefore they were not in use in the church. And indeed for the childish state of the church, these things are lit ; but now, when they come to the " adoption of sons," other services that are more spiritual are more suitable and honourable." M. The quotations which you have read do, of course, harmonize with your views, but after all they are the opinions of men like our- selves. You do not find the inspired writers condemning instrumental music ; and though you have referred to the words of the Apostle, where he speaks of parts of the Jewish ceremonial as containing weak beggarly elements, he does not specify instrumental music as one of these. On the contrary, " the writers of the New Testament, while enjoining praise as a part of worship, use words which denote, indif- ferently, either singing with the voice unaided, or playing on an instrument. Now this did not arise from tlie poverty of the Greek language, for, as it is very copious, they could easily have found other words to express their ideas, if they had regarded singing psalms to an instrument as abhorrent to the christian dispensation. Besides, the arranged to be sung to very word "psalm" meant a biblical song, instrumental support, as was the practice in the social religious 'ife of the Hebrews." 0. (After a pause.) I have just been trying to recall, from the ^* copious Greek language," some of the many words that the Apostle might have used to express the idea of praising God — but I am sorry to say that, either my memory is defective, or my knowledge of the Greek is more limited than I supposed. Please mention some words that the Apostle might have used, which no doubt were familiar to him as well as the christian " brethren." M. Really tliere are none that I can recall at present. C Possibly you rested your assertion upon the words or writings of some person whom you considered good authority in the case ? M. It may be so. I spoke hastily ; but I have heard this very often, and I do not know that I ever heard the statement questioned before. Besides it is generally acknowledged that the " Greek lan- guage is very copious." 10 C. M.y friend it does not do to take much on trust, now-a-days, for the purpose of settling a controverted question. It was natural to suppose that a very " copious language," as people sity the Greek is, should furnish a liberal supply of words that we call synonymous. But the fact is, the word " copious " as applied to the Greek language, though correct, is misunderstood. Tlie Greek is not remarkable for the number of its roots or " stem words " ; but on account of its various inflections and possible cojnbinations, it is capable, beyond most languages, of presenting thought in all possible shades and forms. This is the meaning of " copiousness" when applied specially to that language. Now with regard to the number of words in that language, suitable to express the idea of praise to God, they are not numerous. How could we expect it in the language of heathens, as the Greeks were ? In fact we could scarcely expect to find any except those used in the Septuagint. And, as the "seventy" were translating the word praise as vmderstood in the Old Testament, it would be but reasonable for them to use the word which came nearest expressing the idea of the original. Now take this in connection with the fact that all lan- guage must, of necessity, be to a large extent artificial and figurative, and you will perceive, at once, that conclusions based upcMJ the pri- mary idea of the word may be far aside from the truth. As to the extensive vocabulary that the New Testament writera had at their command, ^'ou may form an idea with very little trouble. How many words, for example, could you find to express christian baptism ? M. Only one that I know of. O. And even the meaning of that can scarcely be found by digging down to the roots. You will find in reading the New Testament that, not only are the words suitable to express scriptural ideas, in many cases very few ; but if you follow them to their derivation, they will be found applicable, only in ajigurative sense. Your argument from the meaning of the word "psalm" is not much more warrantable than the one you founded upon the " cojmous- ness of the Greek language." We need not differ about the original meaning of the root from which the noun is derived. It means, according to Gesenius, " to prune," (" especially a vine.") It is then taken to mean " to 'sing," because this was usually done in words cat off in rhythmical numbers, or measures. But this cutting off is no more necessary as an accommodation to the instrument, than it is for the human voice. I cannot therefore see any good reason, nor indeed any true foundation for your assertion. M. But you will not surely deny that the word " psalm," as under- stood by a Jew, denoted a " biblical song arranged to be sung to instrumental support ?" It was customary to sing them thus : And we find, in some of the titles of the psalms, an intimation of the design of the writer. C. I say that the original meaning of the word decides nothing positively in the case. And the fact you have just stated bears against you, rather than in your favour. If the meaning of " psalm " settled the question, as to the use of an instrument, in singing it, such notices as you refer to would be quite supci'fiuoua. If a man were to say he 11 would make me a hat, I would understand him ; and exp«ct to use it as a hat. But it would really strike me as superfluous, or even worse, if he added that he made il for me to wear on my head. M. I have listened with attention and, perhaps, profit to your statements respecting the words used in the New Testament to d».:note " praise." But, even supposing I should admit that the scriptures contain no warrant for the use of musical instruments in the worship of God, I do not consider that we should look upon them as prohi- bited. There are a great many things connected with worship — of the propriety of which none seem to doubt, for which we cannot pro- duce any scriptural warrant : such, for example, as the " tunes we sing," " the use of a metrical version," " choirs or precentors," " lining out the psalms," &c. On your principle " we could hardly prove the lawfulness of building churches." ' C. I dare not be so uncharitable as to suppose that you are not sincere in the remarks you have just made ; and yet I cannot help thinking you must have some misgivings as to the soundness of your argument. The things that you mention, and perhaps hundreds of others are, in a certain sense, connected with the worship of God. And I may add, some of the things which you have named, and others that you might name, I, for one, would not be disposed to advocate. I doubt, for example, the propriety of having "choirs" in our churches — not because they are open to the same objection as " organs," but because I find that their practical effect has been to injure the service of song — ^by closing the lips of many professed wor- shippers. But still how different from the empty sound drawn forth from " a thing without life T The singing of a choir is the voice of praise uttered in words which may reach and affect the heart, while the organ can give only sound, destitute of sentiment — and requires the aid of words uttered by the human voice to raise it above a mere " stage" exhibition. " God is a spirit, and they that worship Ilim must worship in spirit and in truth." As regards authority for the service of song, as practised in the christian church, or in the family, we can refer to the words of the Apostle. " Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spirituial songs." These words show, in the first place, that the exercise referred to is not the mere production of sound. Praise in words is required. " Speaking, &c." With regard to the tunes, common sense would suggest that this must be left to the worshippers themselves. On that point the Apostle gives no charge. They might either sing in " unison," or in " harmony," as they were able ; for the Apostle merely says " singing and making melody." M. But you forget that tunes such as we use were not known at. that time. It is said that " the people in those days had no idea of harmony." C. Even if I should admit that, (which I do not,) the language of the Apostle is sufficiently general to authorize any kind of singing of which christians might, at any time, be capable. If they only " spoke to themselves" in their exercises, the expression of the Apostle would be equally appropriate, whether the music happened to be of . 12 the rudest and most inartiutic kind, or whether it approached a style equal to that of the present day. But I am not disposed to allow our opponents even the small advan- tage which they suppose would be gained by proving that the people in those days had no idea of harmony. There is no sufficient warrant for the assertion that " harmony or musical notation was not then known." Music was cultivated at a very early period in the history of the world. If you will read the article on music in the London Cyclo- pedia, you will tind the eminent author maintaining that harmony wan understood before the christian era. He says, " Tlie invention of notation and musical characters marked a distinguished era in the pro- gress of music. Terpander is the celebrated poet and musician to whose genius music is indebted for this. He flourished 671 years before Christ.^ In a note by the author, we read, " It has been asserted that harmony must have been unknown to the ancients, because each of their musical characters, vocal or instrumental, was the sign only of one sound. May it not also be said, and with more propriety, (in after ages), that harmony was unknown to us, from the adoption of our word chord to express a union of sounds of a different pitch ?" There is, indeed, much reason to believe tliat after the opening of the christian era, music was less cultivated than it had been by the Greeks and Romans. For proof of this, I might refer to the author whose words I have just been quoting. And the use which I would make of the feet is to infer therefrom the probability that the higher kinds of musical performance — such as were intended for the •^ stage," and in which instruments were extensively use<l— did not receive the countenance of the christiiin church. As for the " lining out of the psalms," (another ot _, m small argu- ments), I venture to assert that the language of Scripture will abun- dantly justify the practice where it exists. '' Speaking to yourselves in psalms, &c.," implies that they must have appropriate words, and such as they could all use. But when books were rare, and many were unable to read, even common sense would suggest the use of some sucli mean» to furnish all with the words suitable foi' praising God. • , M. You have quoted two or three passages of Scripture, in which there is reference to the singing of psalms or hymns ; but are you not aware that these apply to private and not public worship ? 01 I am aware that organ advocates make such assertions, but I am convinced that the assertion is incapable of proof. When we, for example, quoting Scripture, say Jesus and his disciples " sung a hymn," " Oh," say they, " It was private worship." And yet the Apostle, writing to the chureli at Corinth, refers expressly to the exercises of Christ and his disciples, in that " upper chamber," as an authoritative guide for the followers of Clirist in all subsequent ages. (1 Cor., 1 1, 23.) I j It was, properly speaking, A/s church that the Saviour had around I I him on that memorable occasion. If time permitted, I could, or I am much mistaken, prove that lit most of the passages which refer to s'nging, it is public, and not pri- vate worsliip that Is intended. ! 18 But now that I have, as I trust, really disposed of this your last ohjection, I may say that I do not see very clearly how it affects the merits of the question in hand. Perhaps you can enlighten rae ou the subject. M. I think I can. You observe that, if the passages in which there is reference to the singing of psalms and hymns can bt; shewn to apply only to private devotion, you will be left without even a single verse of Scripture in the New Testament as a warrant for this part of reli- gious service : and consequently you will be thrown back upon the Old Testament for authority to warrant the service of song. And I think, when we have you on that ground, we will be able to defend the use of instrumental music in our churches. G. I think not. Even supposing we gave up all those passages, yet keeping in view the generaj tenor of Scripture, we could find such authority for our modes of worship as even the organ advocates would scarcely despise. Ecclesiastical history carries us back almost to the days of the Apostles. We have the writings of men who, if they did not themselves converse with the Apostles, knew, from the most reli- able sources, the forms of christian worship which they observed. And among these the singing of psalms and hymns had a place. " We sing," says Pliny, " a hymn to Christ as to God." Yes, the very authorities to which we can refer in proof that instrumental music was not used in the early christian church, assure us that a part of religious worship consisted in singing the praises of God. M. Perhaps I could furnish you with a better method for disposing of the difficulty. My answer would be the following : " The New Testament does not contain one example of the mode of conducting religious worship on the Lord's day, nor one command organizing the mode of worship. It assumes the singing of sacred songs in public and in private, and the reading of the Scriptures and prayer, but it leaves questions of mode and order to be shaped hy principles, by the reli- gious life of the period, and by the Spirit promised to the church." Though I am a Protestant and a Presbyterian, I do not like the prin- ciple adopted by the framers of the Westminster Confession of Faith, that we must not tolerate anything for which we cannot claim Scriptural authority. I wQuld not say that I adopt the loose principles of Luther- ans and Roman Catholics, that we may use anything in the worship of God — any ceremony or form not forbidden. But I do hold that in such matters as are now under discussion, every church should be left to follow their own convictions as to what is best. St. Paul knew nothing of §uch rigid uniformity as you anti-organists contend for. He says, for example, »' Rom. 14, 6,) "He that regardeth the day regardeth it to the Lord ; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it." And he asks, '' Why dost thou judge thy brother ? The conscientious feeling of the man that he was under law to God to observe the day, and the equally sincere, and, it may be, more enlightened feeling that the day ought not to be observed, were both right." Now you see the reason for the organ advocates refusing to allow you those passages which you quote as authority for singing in public worthip. It is not that we doubt about singing having been ■J ( 14 practised in the church, but we want to force you into the admission of a principle which, once established, must demolish some of your strong- est arguments. G. I certainly ought at least to acknowledge your candour in thus stating, so distinctly, the object of the argument with which I have been dealing. But I must also take the liberty of saying that it grieves me to find a Pr')sbyteriaii adopting and expressing such loose views as you have just propounded. Apply them, and you will find that, under them, the church is bound together, as one body, by a " rof e of sand." Your exposition of the words of the Apostle brings out a principle at variance with the unity of the christian church. " Can two walk together except they be agreed ?" A church composed of members holding views so thoroughly antagonistic could not possibly exhibit the unity which is th^ strong bond of brotherhood among Christ's disciples. This being an undeniable fact, I hold it as prima facie evidence that you have given a wrong interpretation of the words quoted from the Apostle's writings. Again your exposition does not agree with the conduct of Paul and the other Apostles — another evi- dence that you have misrepresented him. Read the 15th chapter of the Acts. There you will find an account of a difficulty that arose in the church at Antioch. It was not about what the Apostles represent as one of the vital questions of religion. A man might be a christian, and espouse either the one side or the other. Still, it was troubling the church. Now the Apostle does not hete apply your favourite "eirenikon" — "You are both conscientious, therefore you are both right." No, but he consents to be one of a " deputation" to carry the matter to a higher tribunal, in order that n deliverance may be had which would tend to allay the fermentation of feeling in the church. The question referred was, as we find, entertained with all seriousness. There is no reason to think that the Synod at Jerusalem felt any disposition to leave the question to the " conscientious feeling" of the parties. Neither would it be correct to say that the Synod there assembled " legislated" in the case. No, their aim was to discover the mind of the spirit in the case, (just as " church courts" still do.) For this they examined the Scriptures — ^keeping in view those lessons which God had already taught the church by experience (v. 12, &c.) And now mark — while they gave their deliverance they did not put it forth as an opinion which might, or might not, regulate the church. It goes forth in the form of a " Decree " — ^not merely for the settle- ment of the dispute at Antioch but to regulate the whole church. Hence we find Paul and Timothy, as they visited difiereiit churches^ delivering to them also the " decrees for to keep." Where now is your argument from Rom. xiv. 6? Plainly you have applied the words of the Apostle in a way he never intended they should be under- stood. I do not quarrel with your statement that " the spirit of Chris- tianity does not give prominence to mode or form." But still the Scriptures do evidently teach that " mode or form" is essential to the life and prosperity of the christian church. M. As you have dealt so unmercifully with my iuterprotatloa of 15 the words of the Apostle in Rom. xiv., it is only fair that I should call upon you for your exposition. C. I am quite willing to state my views of the passage, and to accord to you the same right of criticism that I have exercised. In the first place, you will observe he is pleading for charity and forbear- ance among brethren who do not see things in the same light. Know- ing that there may be grace in the heart while yet the person is not free from prejudice, he exhorts the more enlightened brother not to despise the one whose knowledge seems to be defective. At the same time he also warns the weak brother not to assume the functions of a judge, but to exercise charity, with the feeling that both are account- able to God. And the Apostle recommends such an exercise of charity — not because all who offer worship according to their " sincere and conscientious convictions" are equally acceptable to God, but because the " Lord hath received him" — that is, as a child of God, by faith in Christ, who is accepted through the righteousness of Christ. God does not allow the " wood, hay and stubble" to remain as compo- nent parts of the building, and yet the persons who have brought such material may be saved, " yet so as by fire." Above all, he will not allow us to assume the authority of judges over such. But neither does he authorize the belief that their conduct has his approbation. Such principles as these apply to christians in their private capacity, everywhere and always. They might have been inculcated at Antioch, just as they were given t» the Romans ; but this could not render it unnecessary for the church, through her office-bearers, to give a distinct expression of her views ; and to require submission to such deliverance. M. Have we not wandered from our subject in entering so largely into the meaning of the passage of Scripture that we have been con- sidering ? G. Possibly we have; still these criticisms have their use, as connected with the discussion. And even if we were obliged to acknowledge that we had been away from the subject, I would not regret it, because the same popular catches about letting people follow their conscientious convictions in reference to instrumental music have done more than solid argument in the way of fostering prejudice against those who resist innovations, believing that the old paths are the safest. But I am now ready to listen to some more of your strong arguments. M. There is no want of arguments, on my side at least. My greatest difficulty is to make a selection. I suppose, however, as you profess to be guided in such matters by the Word of God, I ought to dwell chiefly on its testimony. G. Certainly, if you can sustain your position by arguments drawn from the Bible, this would be your proper course ; for, when you can shew from the Scriptures that it is the duty of christians, under the present dispensation, to use instruments of music in the worship of God, you will have settled the whole matter. M. Do you believe that any of the commands of the Old Testa- ment are now in force ? G. Certainly I do. Every part of the Moral Law is as binding as it ever was. 16 ^ '•• M. Was praise, under the old dispensation, a moral or a ceremo- nial obligation? '. ' " G, Both. But you must remember that praise, and the mode of rendering it, are two c'iiferent subjects. It has always been tl.e duty of creatures to praise God ; and it will never cease to be their duty. Praise will ever be one of the delightful employments of the "redeemed" in heaven. M. Much us I am in favor of instrumental music, I suppose it would not do for me to entertain that they nill use instruments there. 0. Why not ? Do we not read of " harpers harping with their harps" in heaven? M. That, however, is one of the cases in which I would agree with you, and hold that the language of Scripture is figurative ; for we do not suppose that the worshippers there could really have material harps. C. Is it not strange that such language should be employed if they have none ? M. I cannot say that I think so, because there is no danger of it being misunderstood ; while, at the same time, those figurative allu- sions are very beautiful and interesting. C. But why are you so confident that the language is figurative ? M. Common sense forbids us to think differently — and besides, they will not there need the aids whic'a we weak mortals need. Music now would be much finer, more perfect, and more worthy of the high themes in which we praise God, if we had the support and assistance of instruments ; but none of us suppose that it would be improved in heaven by such means. C. Are you sure of that ? They will use some of those " grand old psalms" probably in heaven. John heard them sing the " song of Moses and of the Lamb." If human voices cannot render them wor- thily in the church below, may we not say the same of the church in heaven ? But after all, if they will not have instruments there, is it not strange that the apostle, writing in the Greek language, which is so *• copious," had not used words that did not in their primary signi- fication denote material instruments of music ? M. What word so beautiful and expressive could he have used ? G. That I leave for you to answer — only asking you to remember that (I also believe) the spirit of God might choose figurative language, without intending thereby to force upon us, as the primary design of such teaching, material rather than spiritual conceptions. M. I see that you intend to make use of the fact that the praise of heaven is spoken of in figurative language to defend the position that the use of words in which there is primarily a reference to instru- mental music, as connected with the worship of God, does not necessa- rily warrant us to make use of this " natural help" in our praises. Of ■course 1 shall be very glad to hear what you have to say, but I think you will find It rather difiicult to make out a satisfactory case. In fact, I feel compelled to say that I cannot understand how any person can hold such views as you do, and sing the Psalms that are used in the Presbyterian church. If persons who have adopted the modern trash 17 called "hymns," while they reject the sterling old songs of the church, were also the people who condemn instrumental music, I could under- stand them ; but it does seem strange to me that people can sing our psalms, and yur refuse to use instruments. In them, we not only find the Psalmist dechrinjT tijathe will praise God on the timbrel, harp, &c., but also declaring " It is u good thing to shew forth God's loving kind- ness upon an instrument of ten strings, and upon the psaltery ; upon the harp with a solemn ^jund." In other places, we find a positive command thus to praise God. " Sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp," (Ps. cxlix. 3). " Praisr him with the psaltery and harp," «&c., (Ps. cl). C. Would not your argument be more telling and convincing, supposing you were to draw a full picture of one of these companies of saints as exhibited to us in the Old Testament church, while tliey are devoutly and obediently testifying their reverent submission to God in those acts of worship which we find prescribed in the psalms from which you have quoted ? It would surely be very expressive, and might put to shame the quiet psalm-singers in our churches. You must needs give one a sharp two-edged sword, or perhaps have a whole company of such martial looking worshippers. You must furnish others with " timbrels"— and doing so, of course you will insist on strict obedience to Scripture and have a dance too. Others of the company will feel that it is their vocation to " clap their hands to God," Ps. xlvii. 1. Others will carry flowing "banners," Ps. xx. 5. I think, when you try to silence me by quoting in favour of your instru- ments, you have taken hold of that dangerous weapon, a two-edged sword, and, if I may carry the metaphor a little farther, you have hold of the wrong end. M. These expressiens to which you have referred must necessarily be considered as figurative. It would be absurd to construe them in such a literal way as to contend that they are called for in the worship of God. But the same remark does not apply to the use of instru- ments. I suppose too you are aware that some learned men consider the word rendered " dance" denotes aii instrument of music. C I am aware of that, but I have different reasons for refusing my assent to their views. In the first place, the present rendering is supported by very high authority (Gesenius and Fiirst for example). Secondly the Septuagint usually renders the word by one that denotes dancing. Thirdly, we know from other passages that dancing was practised as a religious act. (2 Sam. vi. 14.) "David danced befoi:e the Lord." But while you object to a literal application of such pas- sages, I suppose after all, you do not class the acts of worshippers, here referred to, among the ceremonial parts of the Jewish service ? M. No. C. Still you admit I suppose that most of them were familiar to the Jews, and that some of them were really practised ? M. I do. But still I cannot put them on a level with praise as rendered by either the human voice or the instrument, or both com- bined. Praise is a most solemn and spiritual exercise. This you cannot deny. And notwithstanding your aversion to instruments, you :ltl 1 I 18 will acknowledge that, even where they are used, the feelings of the wor8hip[)er8 may be deeply solemn. The use of the instruments, as you will admit, did not destroy the spirituality of the worship of David " the sweet singer of Israel." G. That I do not deny. But I know also that this same man " danced before the Lord with all his might" — as a religious act. In fact, we have reason te believe that he never engaged in the service of God with more zeal and real fervour of spirit than when he " danced before the Lord." Nay more, I have no doubt that he found the dancing one special means of raising him to that pitch of religious fervour which we find described by the inspired penman. It is a law of our nature that the mind and body act and react upon eacn other. So well is this understood by many, that they take advantage of these physical manifestations to impress and influence the mind. I have known people in a time of religious excitement literally clap their hands and dance till they were ready to fall down with weariness. Now you know, as well as I do, that God was pleased i:» give to his people " of old" a system of ordinances, and commands adapted to their condition. The Apostle however teaches us that, while the services prescribed were adapted to the state of the church then existing, they were not suitable for the church, after the coming of Christ, and the increase of religious knowledge, and the ^^ giving of the Holy Spirit" which followed the resur^-ection and ascension of Christ to heaven. The ordinances of that time are called, by an inspired Apostle, " weak and beggarly elements." They are also spoken of as adapted to the church while in a state of "nonage" or comparative childhood. And now, dear brother, though it may, for the moment, have appeared to you like turning a serious subject into ridicule, while I drew a picture of the Jewish church and her religious exercises, I assure you I had no such intention, any farther than was necessary to bring out strongly my answer to your Jewish arguments. I feel fair too deeply on this subject to be able even to use lightness in such a discussion. I see in the agitation among us for instrumental music, the beginning of a serious evil. The church has passed through it before. Ecclesiastical history is full of warnings. In all past ages, it has been found that just as piety declined there have been increasing efforts to supply the defect, by appeals to the less noble part of our nature. Popery, in all its stages of advancement, testifies to the truth of what I say. Broad Churchism and High Churchism look for success to things which tickle the fancy, or flatter the pride of man. And Protestant churches, gene- railly, are now following the example of Antichrist, far more than they are aware of. Have you ever known any church where a revival of religion was in progress, and the people at the same time loud in their advocacy of instrumental music ? M. I have not thought much about that, and never made any inquiry. G. I have — and I never yet knew a case where they would even tolerate the organ, except for opening the service, or it may be closing according to form. At such a time, none who are really engaged in the work want the instrument. And why ? Because, instead of i ; 19 assisting to higher degrees of spirituality, it is found to deaden trno spiritual feeling. M. But why should it be so ? " ' ' ' • C I do not like to attempt an answer to that question. Perhaps it would be better to speak for myself than for others. In my own case, the feeling is as if some third party had come between mo and the object of worship, and at once I feel as if I were farther off than before. I feel like one who seeks warmth by approaching the fire, but suddenly finds that some officious person has intercepted the heat, by means of a beautiful screen. M. Are you fond of music ? a Yes. M. "Well, you will surely admit that the instrument improves the music. The singing is more correct. Persons of refined taste often complain that bad music is very painful to them. C. It pams me to hear discord in the music, or persons out of time ; and of course every person should endeavour to avoid such things. But a song of praise is not necessarily marred, and rendered unprofitable, or even disagreeable, by this. I have heard voices that at first grated upon the ear — voices that I»know would disgust a cold critic ; and yet they were so evidently expressing the feelings which the Holy Spirit had created within them, that the very expression, with all its musical defects, had in it something that went far to make up for the bad music of which cold and unsympathizing persons com- plain. I pretend to no metaphysical explanation of those things. I rather think it would be as impossible as to explain how the things of God are hidden from the " natural man," while they are plain, and sweet, and refreshing to those who are spiritual. M. Yon talk of receiving benefit from the exercise of praise. Now that is one of the strong arguments in favour of the organ ; for you do not pretend that bad music is as likely to benefit the worshippers as that which is correct and pleasing to the ear. If, then, the organ secures this, it seems to me to be a " natural help" to the voice, which we ought to use. Indeed it seems to me that it ought to be used, if for no other reason, on account of the beneficial effect upon persons possessing a highly cultivated musical taste. There have been cases, according to my reading, where music is said to have produced most extraordinary effects upon such persons — so much so, as almost to sus- pend the functions of life. C. I have read of such cases. I must say, however, that my sen- sibilities are not so acute as to enable me to sympathize fully with such feelings. Still, I do not deny the possibility of such effects having been produced. M. And I presume that you have never lieard of any such effects having been produced by the human voice without the aid of instru- ments. C Indeed I have not. I have witnessed very remarkable effects connected, in one way or another, with singing Grod's praise ; but if I had stopped to criticise the music, I would perhaps have been led to say they came in spite of outward hindrances. Certainly they did not 20 arino from admiration of tho music. It was a diflferent influeiico iilto- gothor. If wo could describe tho vjfita of tho bridegroom to \m spouHo, tho church, or even comprehend such descriptions, us given in the book of Canticles — Jesus coming with the speed of the "chariots of Amminadib," wo might know about us much us we shall ever know here below It is not tho effect of the music — it is the result of the oxorcise. God blesses us token we serve him in " spirit and in truth." Those effects of which you speuk seem to havQ a very different origin. I have known persons, in the theatre, experience precisely the same. Some of those who have been most susceptible, in this way, are known to have been degraded, miserable slaves of vice. Yes, and they are likely to remain so, as long as tho church depends on line music to convert them, and to raise them up from that state of degra- dation. It is tho word of God in the hand of the Spirit that begets souls to new life. It never will be Jine music. And now permit me to say, in all affection, that the persons who are agitating for instru- mental music are incurring a fearful responsibility. The world are ever u pursuit of something that will act upon them through the sen- suous or aesthetic part of their nature, — hence the common cry for fine musical performances. ^And so soon as the church gives way to that cry, they have digged a pit for those people. Music will not convert them. And yet it may produce a state of mind which they, in their ignorance and pride, will consider the next door to the king- dom of heaven ; and when this happens, there is little prospect of leading them to repentance, and faith in the Lord Jesus. In one of the sermons of the late John Newton, of St. Mary, Wool- noth, I find some observations so strikingly applicable to the subject before us, that I hope you will permit me to read them. lie is refer- ring to *' Handel's Messiah," one of the favourites of musical amateurs. "' Whereunto shall we liken the men of this generation ?" " I repre- sent to myself a number of persons of various characters, involved in one common charge of high treason. ^ They are already in a state of confinement, but not yet brought to their trial. The facts, however, are so plain, and the evidence against them so strong and pointed, that there is not the least doubt of their guilt being fully proved, and that nothing but a pardon can preserve them from punishment. In this situation, it should seem their wisdom to avail themselves of every ex- pedient in their power for obtaining mercy. But they are entirely regardless of their danger, and wholly taken up with contriving methods of amusing themselves, that they may pass away the term of their imprisonment with as much cheerfulness as possible. Among other resources, they call in the assistance of music ; and amidst a great variety of subjects in this way, they are particularly pleased with one. They choose to make the solemnities of their impending trial — thp "haracter of their judge — the methods of his procedure, and tho awful sentence to which they are exposed, the groundwork of a musi- cal entertainment ; and, as if they were quite unconcerned in the event, their attention is chiefly fixed upon the skill of the composer in adapt- ing the style of his music to the very solemn language and subject with which they are trifling. The King, however, out of his great clemency 21 and compaHslon towards those who have no pity for themselves, pre- ventH them with his ^oodiiCHs. IJiidcsired hy them, he HeiidH them n gracious mesHagu. Ilo asHures them that ho is unwilliiij;; they Hliouhl sutler : ho requires, yea he entreats them to submit. He points out a way in which their confeHsion and nuhmi^ssion shall he certainly accep- ted ; and in this way which he condescends to prescribe, he ofl'ers them a free and a full pardon. Itut, instead of taking a single step towards a compliance with his goodness, they set his message likewise to music ; and this, together with a description of their present state, and of the awful doom awaiting them if they continue obstinate, is sung for their diversion, accompanied with the sound of cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of instrrments. Surely if such a case as I have supposed could be found in real life, though I might admire the musical talent of those people, I should commiserate their insensibility. But is not this case more than a supposition ? Is it not, in tho most serious sense, actually realized amongst our- selves?" I '' ' ' Cowper has also directed attention to the same painful subject in these lines : " Ton thousaiul 8it. '' ' ' Patiently present at a »acrcd '«)ng, Content to henr . (A wonderful effect of music's power) , Messiah's eulogies ybr Handel's sake." M. I cannot but feel that our conversation has placed the subject of instrumental music in a very serious light; and I may add that it I believed such results as you point out would follow the introduction of organs into, our churches, I would have no more to say. But with our old psalms, it seems to me that any such abuse of the ordinance of praise would be impossible. . > C. I believe you are sincere. But allow me to sr,^ that our " old psalms" would not long survive the introduction of the organ. It is generally acknowledged (notwithstanding all the talk aboui. the neces- sity of the organ to assist in " rendering them in a manner worthy of the sublime subjects which they contain") that the musical taste of the admirers of the organ is very far from being satisfied with these simple, though sublime " songs of Zion." They would not stand long after the introduction of the improved style of music for which some are longing. M. I think however that the high devotional feeling of our people might be trusted as a safeguard against any such change — and I may add, against such abuse and prostitution of sacred music as that referred to in the extracts read from Newton and Cowper. C. You forge!: that there are thousands who look upon those elabo- rate and affecting musical performances with the highest admiration — and would characterize such langu«ge as you now use as a proof of pitiful bigotry, and want of musical taste. M. I trust however that I shall never forget that the worship we want for the house of God is something difTereut from a mere musical performance. I only want the organ to secure more correct and 22 casteful music. There are many who cannot sing correctly, and need a guide. (7. The fact I admit, and mourn over it. But your mode of getting over the difficulty is not the one I would propose. You want some- thing to guide — something they can lean upon. My plan would be to adopt means to teach every one vocal music : and I would try to make it unpopular either to be unable to sing, or to have to lean upon the organ. This plan has been tried, with perfect success, and those who have, by their diligence, got their people into congregational singing scout at the organ as a nuisance. They would no more consent to have it now in their churches than a boy, who has learned to swim, would consent to " float on bladders." And depend upon it, we will not see even the beginnings of the " latter day glory" unless we have first seen our congregations of one heart and one soul in singing the praises of God. Singing remember, not following as one in leading strings, as a drag and a hindrance, but with one mouth and one soul glorifying God. Allow me to read an extract showing that all this can be accomplished. It is the experience of Rev. J. T. Feaston, (Birmingham, England, Congregational minister). "Three months after I began with the children, and one month after I began with the people, &c. . . . We began to sing Mr. Waite's tunes in harmony.. The harmonium was silent that day, and never spoke again. In a few weeks I found it was gone. I suppose the deacons thought it would be absurd to consult me or any body else about retaining or dismissing it. The singers left the singing gallery, and sat wiCh the groups. From that time we have gone on in the same course, improving as ice go" (Note by the editor of the Magazine.) " No wonder that the singers left the gallery so readily. . . . No wonder that the harmonium was silent, for the Sunday school and the week night services had already learnt to do without it, and every one knew that it would be very much in the way at a psalmody exercise. The people wanted to hear one another. The harmonium had become associated ■with the miserable style of sleepy scattered singing here and there." You have more than hinted, in supporting your views regarding instrumental music, that it hfis the special sanction of the Old Testa- ment. But this is very far from being a correct statement of the case. So far as the service of praise has a Jewish aspect it may indeed be correct. But the Old Testament Scriptures sometimes carry us for- ward to New Testament times — and then, we find a striking difference in the language referring to praise. Take for example Psalm Ixvii. That psalm looks far beyond the bounds of Canaan. Its prayer embraces, not one nation only, but all. " Let thy saving health be known among all nations." In connection with this is the prayer or prophecy, " Let all the people praise thee." Formerly, the service of public praise was confined, as we have seen, to a select body of men chosen from the tribe of Levi. But in gospel times, all are appointed to be kings and priests to God. And now the duty of praise must not be confined to a select portion of the worshippers, whether Jews or Gentiles. But do we find that instrumental music has rendered the service of praise more general, where it has been introduced ? Far II I 28 from it. The choir soon became the Levites of the congregation for this part of the service — and very often, they are as jealous as the old Levites were of any interference with their performances. I do not say that this is the necessary effect. But I state a fact. There are a few exceptions — but so few, that like exceptions to a general rule, they tend to confirm it. M. Supposing your statement respecting organs and choirs to be correct, (of which I cannot speak positively), it does not prove that instruments are unlawful. The most that you could draw from your argument would be that they are not expedient. This however could not be considered sufficient to set aside such authority as we claim from Scripture. C. But have you not noticed some peculiarity in the vt[ords used to express praise, when, as in the psalm referred to, the language applies to gospel times and the nations in general ? (I find you are very particular about the original meaning.) M. I have not examined them particularly. I only know that the words used in the New Testament sometimes denote vocal, and some- times instrumental music. C. I have not, as you know, assented to the argument drawn from these, for reasons which to my mind at least are satisfactory. But in the mean time I wish you to ponder this fact, — that even in those passages in the Old Testament which refer to the Gentile church, when the inspired writers speak of praise, the word used is never, so far as I have examined, one of those that might seem to contain an allusion to musical instruments. The 67th Psalm speaks of praise to be rendered by the nations to God, but the word only denotes vocal praise. Again in Psalm cxvii. — which is quoted and applied by the Apostle to the New Testament church, (Rom. xv. 11), the word praise occurs — but it is praise with the lips or the voice. M. But you must not forget that' in the New IbC-tament " praise" is sometimes expressed by words which denote "playing upon an instrument." For example Eph. v. 19, " Singing and making melody." The word translated " making melody" denotes playing upon a harp. C. Your quotation sounds better than it would, if you had added " in the heart." M. As to that, I do not see much difference between playing in the heart and singing in the heart. C But suppose I should make a slight change in the translation, and read it " making melody with the heart to the Lord," I would not be giving an unwarrantable translation, and yet I may be able to con- vince you that the expression is very natural. ^ do not deny that " psalto" has a primary reference to playing with an instrument. But on the other hand, I may inform you that very few of the ablest critics consider that thif passage, taken in connection with the context, can be considered as containing a warrant for the use of instrumental music. If time permitted, I might prove my assertion by quotations from able expositors, both ancient and modern, showing that they did not consider this passage as warranting such views as you express. If the persons referred to were known to be opposed to 24 instrumental music, you would of course accept their testimony with hesitation ; but so far as their feelings are concerned, the majority are on your side. I want you however to examine the peculiar form of the expression " in your heart," (*' en te kardia humon.") Some take it for granted that it is equivalent to our word " heartily" or " cordially." But that is not a correct translation. If it were " ek" or " apo kacdias," heartily would do ; but the words befo'-e us require a different translation. The Bible is remarkable for the naturalness of the lan- guage employed. While perfectly accurate, the words chosen are as suitable for the child as the philosopher. Often the exjuession is so comprehensive, and at the same time, so natural that we feel incapable of conveying the full meaning in our own words — and more particu- larly, in the precise and careful modca of expression which we are obliged to use in controversy. This is the difficulty of which I am conscious in attempting to explain this passage. In free conversation, we would not hesitate to bori'ow a poetical expression, and speak of a " heart responsive" to the sentiments of another. We would have no fear of beinij misunderstood. And this being so, I feol that I need not fear to apply the idea to intercourse with God as our " Father in Heaven." It is just the opposite of the feeling which God condemns, while blaming the formal worshipper for " drawing near to him with the mouth and honouring him with the lips, while the heart is far from him." Now, keeping in view this distinction, we may be able at once to interpret the language in the verse before us. " Making melody, &c." There is the utterance of the lips in appropriate words of praise, and the heart beating in unison with the words. " Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." In the true worship of God, the feelings of the heart find their distinct utterance in the words of praise which fall from the lips. As Montgociery says of prayer, so we may say of praise, so far as the heart is concerned. (.. . ' " Prayer is the soul's sincere desire, ( t , ' * Uttered or unexpressed ; • , ,' ■ '- ' The motion of a hidden fire ■■ t. j That trembles in the breast." True praise does not need to wait for acceptance with God till it has been expressed by the lips — much less a lifeless instrument. The incense of praise has already found its way to heaven, when we see the eye kindled and glistening under the emotion produced by the heart " making melody." Let us be able, like the psalmist, to say, " Bless the Lord O ray soul, and all that is within me bless His holy name, and already that heart is " making melody to the Lord." It requires no great effort of the imagination to conceive of the heart — " out of which are the issues of life," fulfilling the idea symbol- ized by touching the strings of a musical instrument ; and certainly if you can entertain the idea at%ll, there is no form of expression, that we can conceive of, so suitable to our minds as that used by the Apos- tle, " making melody." You observe that " te kardia is the dative case, governed by " en" — and in many such cases " en" governs the noun as the instrument producing the effect described. Thus we have in Greek, " en opthalmois oran," (to see with the eyes.) " I 25 baptize with water" " en hudati." " Serve with my spirit" " en to pueumati mou." The meaning of the Apostle seems to be, " Let heart he so under the influence of the Holy Spirit, that it may affect the vocal powers in such a way as to cause them to give expression to words of joy and praise,^* But there is a passage in the New Testament that seems to me to settle, beyond the possibility of a doubt, this whole subject of contro- versy. You will find it in Hebrews, 13, 15. Before entering upon the consideration of that verse, however, it may be advantageous to settle distinctly in our minds some preliminary matters that may help us to understand the meaning of the Apostle. What seems to have been the design of the Apostle in writing this Epistle ? M. Of course he intended to exhibit the leading truths of the christian religion. C. But does it not strike you that there is something peculiar in the mode of discussion which he has adopted ? In some of the Epis- tles we have even a fuller statement of the doctrines of the Gospel than we have here ; but yet there is much in this Epistle that we find nowhere else. M. It is generally understood that this Epistle was addressed to the Jews, and was designed to meet and correct Jewish prejudices, and thus sa .e them from the danger of apostacy. C. That is precisely my opinion ; and I believe we will both rea- dily admit that the arguments of the Apostle are most wisely adapted to the object in view. He begins with proofs of the superiority of Christ to the prophets, and even to the angels. He then shows how far he was superior to Moses. By a variety of arguments, he proves that the Christian religion, having Christ for its founder, was, for various reasons, superior to the Jewish ; and this, though its rites were few and simple, — though it had no temple service — none of the pomp and pageantry, the music and the magnificence of the ancient religion. He shows farther that all the rites of the Jewish religion, splendid as they were, were but types, and were designed to pass away, for they must have their fulfilment in the realities of the christian faith. Wh^, then, should they go back ? Why return to a less perfect system ? Why give up the substance for the shadow ? Why turn away from the true sacrifice to the type or emblem? : The doctrinal part of the Epistle closes in the 10th chapter ; and then he begins his application (v. 19.) Here we have exhortation and solemn warning — appeals to their own sense of right, and encourage- ment to persevere. Next, a reference to the faithful now in glory, connected with a consideration of the influence which their example should have upon those who hoped to share, with them, the joys of heaven ; and all this still farther enforced by a consideration of the superior privileges which believers now enjoy. If there be one truth more particularly impressed upon them than others, it is the fact that, as members of the christian church, they have passed from the typical to the real — from the shadow to the substance. In the 13th chapter he plainly tdls them that believers under the Grospel may claim privi- leges such as did not appertain to worshippers under a former di ~n- 26 sation. He also tells them that these privileges cannot be claimed by those who still cling to the temple service. " We have an altar whereof they have no right to eat who serve the tabernacle." The types of a former dispensation have been fulfilled by " Jesus suffering without the gate." And in view of this, he exhorts them to embrace the substance, letting go the shadow. " Let us go forth unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach." All this may involve pre- sent trials ; but then these will be of short duration, and will end in happiness infinitely precious. Instead, therefore, of shrinking from present duty, or feeling discouraged and cast down because of present trials, Che exhortation is to bless God for his mercies, and give him constant praise for the infinitely great and precious blessings now un- folded to us in the Grospel. And in order that we may be accepted in this, it is said let us approach God — not as the worshipper of old, who, after being accepted, brought his " thank offering," in which also he had acceptance, through the blood of sacrifice. But let us, says the Apostle, approach God, by Jesus Christ, " the new and living way to the Father." " By Him let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God con- tinually." And that he might shew them the complete, and entire, and permanent separation from all acts of worship that were specially Jewish and ceremonial, he carefully specifies the nature of the religious service to which, as christians, they were called. Let us offer, as our sacrifice of praise, " the fruit of our lips giving thanks to His name" I confess that it seems to me impossible for any intelligent man to read this passage, and then venture to assert that we have no warrant for "praise" as apart of christian worship. And it seems to me equally incredible that any person, considering the grand design of the Apostle's argument throughout this epistle, could doubt as to the mode in which such worship should be rendered. For all through it, he is evidently endeavouring to "dehort" from Jewish and ceremonial practices, by shewing that these have passed away, while others more spiritual and better suited to the genius of Christianity — and withal more honouring to the author of the " new dispensation," have taken their place. The advocates of instrumental music, in their zeal, have ventured to maintain that there is no evidence of it having been set aside. One of the champions says, " the use of instruments is not a mere practice not prohibited, and which might still be unwarranted. It wsis warranted. By what principle, or by what command, or in what way was the warrant removed?" Now to me all this is surpass- ingly strange. If the case be not fairly made out from the language of the Apostle, it seems to me impossible to prove that the ceremonial law is set aside at all. It is true he does not specify, in detail, the changes that have been made ; but in his directions for the regulation of christian worship, the duties which he mentions are referred to in such a way as to direct the mind to those things which are superseded. M. But those who plead for instrumental music farther say that, " though connected with the ceremonial worship, it was used in a non- ceremonial way : not by sacred persons only, nor at sacred times only, nor in sacred places, nor by divine regulation — but on social occasions ; at the marriage, the funeral, the feast, in journeying, in exile, in 27 private devotions, by men and women, young and old, with no cere* monial intention." C Supposing all this to be true, can you show me the bearing that it has on the argument before us ? M. Yes. Being so, " we ought not to expect in the New Testa- ment any directions as to its use or disuse." C. Perhaps the argument satisfies you, but really I cannot perceive how it affects the subject before us, which is the mode of worshipping God hy praise, any more than telling us that a certain people play the "bag-pipes" could be brought forward r«t a proof that the Ilighlauders use instrumental music in public v/orship. All that your statement conveys to my mind is that music was indulged in on many occasions — ■ sometimes, as a means of promoting hilarity, 9,t others, as a pastime, sometimes, as an antidote to grief, and at others, as a means of mak- ing their tears flow more freely. . The people had, it seems, a taste for nmsic (not a very remarkable fact) which they indulged, according to the mood in which they happened to find themselves. As to your remark that the music of the Jews, though entering into a typical economy, had an aspect that was not typical, I would only say that, supposing it to be used for religious purposes in private, it might be for the purpose of renewing those feelings of devotion which had been produced, by waiting upon God in public worship. Though I have not specified the special place that I consider it to have held among the typical things, I am well satisfied that the Jews were taught respecting its nature, so as to be able to prufit by it ; and they might, as many devout christians now do, seek to renew in private the feel- ings of which they had been the subjects, when worshipping God in the great congregation. It may sound like the truth to maintain that this might be dc ne " without any ceremonial intention," but a little reflection will, I think, lead us to doubt the correctness of the state- ment. M. But my idea is that the instruments were not designed to assist their religious conceptions but to help them to sing. G. You cannot however give any satisfactory reason for such an opinion. All the different parts of worship were " types of good things to come." Besides, this argument has lost much of its force in your hands, from the fact that you (or those whose views you seem to support) speak of the music of that period as so rude and unskilful OS scarcely to partake of the qualities of music at all. M. Is it not strange, supposing your views on the subject before us to be correct, that so many eminent divines as well as private christians defend the use of instruments in the worship of God ? C. I will answer your question by another. Is it not strange that so many of the ablest divines as well as private christians reject, as unscriptural, the Presbyterian form of church government, which we believe to be warranted by the word of God ? M. We can And some reasons for this in the past history of the church ; and others, J would attribute to prejudice. When the church of Christ emerged from the errors of Popery there was considerable unanimity among the leaders of the Reformation on the subject. -rtr 28 And 1 lAay say our Confession of Faith, drawn up at Westmlnstef, and by divines who lived in England, will ever stand as a monument of the prevailing opinion at that period as to the scriptural authority for Presbytery, in opposition to Prelacy. But alas! the church was curbed and nstrained by the civil powers. The sovereigns of Eng- land, who had no religion themselves, used their authority in favour of Prelacy, and against the form of government set forth in the Confession of Faith. G. And now following you I may answer your question, almost in the same words that you have used, respecting the Confession of Faith. On the subject of instrumental music, there was a contest from the time the kingdom cast off the Papal yoke. It can also be made out from history that, not only were the leading Reformers opposed to instruments, which they denounced as relics of Popery, bnt the sam? opinions were generally held by the ablest divines, down to the tira'fs of the Covenanters. And this was the prevailing feeling in the celebrated Westminster Assembly. M. But I do not find anything in the Westminster Standards oppo- sed to the use of instrumental music in the worship of God. C, I think it would be more correct to say that you not find it expressly and pointedly condemned. One thing is very certain, viz., that you do not find a word from which it might be inferred that the men who framed our " Standards" approved of it. Many things in our " Confession" are condemned, by implication, though not dis- tinctly specified. This is one of them. It tells us that it is the duty of christians to sing the fiongs of Zion, but there is nothing said about any other way of praising God. Again, the practice of those churches which adopted our Standards has been opposed to the use of instru- ments. They did not look upon this as a matter of forbearance. Instruments were understood to be forbidden, and neither Presbytery nor Synod presumed to set aside the law which they felt to exist. To say instruments are not positively prohibited by the Confession of Faith an(| Directory for Public Worship, is to use language verbally correct, but at the same time really false. Do you consider that our Confession of Faith authorizes or permits kneeling while we partake of the Lord's Supper ? M. Certainly not. C Suppose any of our congregations should suddenly become enamoured with this practice—which we know is followed by many Worthy christians, what would be the duty of the Presbytery under whose inspection they were ? M. It would certainly be consistent with the Confession and Directory to forbid them ; but perhaps it would be better to let them do as they pleased. C. I understand you very well. This is your old doctrine creep- ing out again, in opposition to what you have called in this discussion " rigid uniformity." And yet you would not be sorry to find a Pres- bytery sufficiently conservative to put a stop to this mode of observing that ordinance, because we are sure that Christ and his disciples did not kneel ; and because we are sure, moreover, that it is a Popish ^9 i practice, which would never have bcin thought of but for the purpose of upholding the blasphemous sacrifice of the Mass. Now our Confession does not, in so many words, forbid kneeling. It merely gives directions regarding the way the Lord's Supper should be celebrate(^ The language is scarcely as distinct as it is in refer- ence to the subject of " praise." Still the practice of kneeling is con- demned by implication ; and instrumental music, which the Reform- ers in general considered as a relic of Popery, is condemned in the same way. But now that we are on this subject, permit me to ask another question. Do you think that a minister or session could con- sistently, or with a good conscience, introduce the practice of kneeling at the Lord's Supper. M. I do not think they could, for, as I understand, they " sincerely own the purity ot worship authorised and practised in the Presby- terian church. They also engage in their practice to conform to the said worship, and never to endeavour, directly or indirectly, the pre- judice or subversion of the same, but, to the utmost of their power, to support and defend the government and discipline, together with the purity of worship received and practised in this church ; and never to propagate any contradictory principle, nor introduce any contrary practice, till their views have been submitted to the Presbytery, and the general sentiments of the church ascertained." C. It is indeed true that the " ordination vow" is, substantially, as you have now quoted it, and I entirely agree with you as to the solemn obligation it imposes. I v»ould now like to put to you one more question : Supposing you were an office-bearer in the church, would you feel at liberty to use your authonity and influence in f^vjur of instrumental music, irrespective of the voice of the church ? I do not press you for an answer to this question, and yet it may be well to give it some serious thought. M. I have never looked upon instrumental music as prohibited by our Standards, and I would like to hear you state your reasons more fully for holding, as you do, that it may be put on a level with prac- tises that I know are not tolerated, — such, for example, as kneeling at the Lord's supper. O4 I shall do so most willingly. In the first place, they both crept into the christian church in a time of awful reli^ous declension. The Upas tree of Popery was sending forth its deamy exhalations- poisoning and destroying all those who reclined under its shadow or* bfeathed the tainted atmosphere around. The questioti with professed Worshippers was no longer, " What doth God require." They sought to please themselves, and to gratify the people by something more showy and imposing than the rites of Christianity. The pretended religious teachers, to the dishonour of Christ, appropriated to them- selves the title of *' priests" ; and having done so, they began to ape the ceremonies of the old Jewish religion. Because the high priest of old had bells on the skirt of his robe, our counterfeit priests must have the same. And because instrumental music 'constituted a most imposing part of the ancient ceremonial, it was dragged into the chris- tian church, with a multitude of other practices that did not rest on 30 tlivino authority. Hence the neceastty for the Reformers being thorough in their work — -the necessity of asking, at every step, what has God commanded? and, with uupitying zeal, sweeping out of the Way all that could not claim to be of God. As already intimated, they found Ihe practice of kneeling at the communion — and they said, awiiy with such a practice. It ia not scriptural. It is not apostolic. Now when the " framers of the Confession" took up their work, the eyes of both the Protestant and Popish world were on them, and they dealt with each subject when brought forward as men who were under law to Christ. They sought their rule of faith and obedience in the Bible, and when they saw what was right, they wrote it down for the benefit of the world. In this simple way, they dealt a more effective blow at existing errors than they could have done by angry discussion and recrimination. If, then, we have neither of the practices named forbidden in our Confession, that arises from the fict that they had declared the mind of God — and, of course, in their view anything dif- ferent must be forbidden. They say in the Confession, (chap. 29, 4,) " Worshipping the elements, the lifting them up, or carrying them about for adoration, are contrary to the nature of this sacrament, and to the institution of Christ." The " Directory" also prescribes the mode of observance, but kneeling is not expressly prohibited. In reference to praise, the Confession (chap. 21, 5,) says it should be " singing of psalms." And again, in the Directory, they refer to praise as one part of the worship, which they express as simply " singing of the psalm." And in the concluding chapter of the Directory it is said, *' It is the duty of christians to praise God publicly by singing of psalms together in the congregation. That the whole congregation may join herein, every one that can read is to have a psalm book ; and all others, not disabled by age or otherwise, are to be exhorted to learn to read. But for the present, where many in the congregation cannot read, it is convenient that the minister, or some fit person, do read the psalm line hy line before the singing thereof." Here again we do not find instrumental music named ; but yet there is no reason to doubt that it was looked upon as among the things prohibited, yu<2 as much as "kneeling." Surely there must be an unwillingness to see the truth among those who, after reading these extracts, or others of a similar kind, will still venture to maintain that " there is nothing in our Standards opposed to the use of instrumental music in the wor- ship of God." M. But are we to be always bound by these Standards, whether we find them agreeable to the word of God or not ? G. You have now introduced a question very distinct from the one which has been und er discussion ; and there is not time to enter upon it at present. The day may come when these Standards shall be revised. This, however, will have to be the work of the higher judicatures of the church, and not of bold, rash and proud men, who aspire to override Presbyteries or Synods, under the vain idea that they are " wiser than Daniel "—wiser than their brethren — wiser than the spiritual and intellectual giants to whom, under God, the church is so deeply indebted. I trust also that this revision (if it take placed m ■ may not carry us away from the " Law and the testimony ;" and if 80, it will leave instrumental music among the things prohibited. Our discussion has carried us farther than I anticipated ; but I trust it has not been unprofitable. To me the subject is one of deep inter- est, — all the more as I see involved in it what may prove to be one of the articles of a •' standing or a falling church." I do not indeed put it on a level with the great leading truths which lie at the foundation of the christian religion ; but I do feel that it is one to test our faith in God, and reverent submission to his authority. We see around us, in many sections of the christian church, practices creeping in which, though apparently harmless, may prove to be the first leakings of the embankment ; and which, unless speedilv closed, may enlarge, till the restrained waters have obtained such power as to sweep away in one common ruin both the earth and masonry by which they had been confined. And yet there are men, children rather, among us, who can find pleasure in watching the pearly rill, all unmindful of its threatening source. Our " fathers" had well and dearly learned the divine wisdom of the injunction, " Buy the truth and sell it not." The cost, in many cases, was their life's blood. Some of those who suc- ceeded to the inheritance bequeathed at such a price, have known how to value and defend it ; but in our day, I fear it is less highly prized. The book of Chronicles, left to the church, has lost much of its inter- est. It is often read with indifference ; and I fear there are many who have no admiration for the courage and heaven-born zeal whicH animated those noble witnesses for the truth. Many, now-a-days, unable to appreciate the self-denying earnestness ot men to whom we feel sure the Judge said " "Well done," virtually disown their work, and try to pull down the barriers by which, under God, they hoped to fortify the church against her enemies. To such I would say, in the language of Scripture, " Stand ye in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls."