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 REFERENCE UMARY 
 
 "These 
 the spirit."— 
 
G^Qy^ 
 
 A CONTROVERSY 
 
 ON 
 
 Infant Baptism, 
 
 AND ON THE 
 
 New Testament Mode of Administering It, 
 
 HELD IN ORILLIA IN JANUARY, 1875, 
 
 BETWEEN 
 A BAFT/ST PRIACHER, 
 
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 "These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not 
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 CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 (Th* following speeek of Mr. Tonranoe reported for th» Orillia 
 
 Ber. J. Torranoo. of Toronto, 
 after a few preliminary re- 
 marke, said he was here to 
 reply to Mr. Hatchinsort's 
 lecture of last Tharsday eve- 
 ning on the sabject, " Infants 
 the Divinely appointed sal)- 
 jeots of Baptism." The thing 
 the leetarer called oui^atten- 
 tion to was the perpetuity of the 
 Abrahattiie Covenant. The logic 
 of his argaments nnder this 
 head may be summed up some- 
 thing like this,— The Abra- 
 hamio covenant holds good 
 under the Gospel dispensatioD, 
 Infknta were initiated into 
 that covenant under the old 
 dispensation, they are also 
 admitted uqder the Gospel 
 dispensation, the opiy differ- 
 ence being a change in the 
 initiatory rite, baptism being 
 Bubefituted for circumcision. 
 Before prooeeding to examine 
 some of the passages Mr. 
 HntohiDSoh adduced in support 
 of his position, let os first try 
 to get some idea of the firtst 
 ineeptioh of the Abnihamic 
 covenant as contained in Gene- 
 sis 17ih dhap. [The lecturer 
 then read the greater portion 
 of this chapter]. We find in 
 thia covenant tkere are carnal 
 
 Expositor.") 
 
 things promised which are 
 symbolical of spiritual things. 
 There are two fulfilments to 
 thiM covenant, a curnal one and 
 spiritual one. Over and over 
 in the Word of God do we find 
 the promise. " I will estublish 
 my Covenant between me and 
 thee and thjf seed after t hee." 
 The word •' feed '* here refers 
 of course to Abraham's natnrul 
 dcHcendants. This is the rar- 
 ntol pait of the covenant. Let 
 us hear what Paul Hays of tin's 
 very statement in tlieSi-d chap. 
 Galatiaiis l(Uh veroe. " Now 
 to Abraham and his seed were 
 the {iromisoB made. Ho snith 
 not, and to needs as of muny^ 
 but as of one, and t«> thy need, 
 which is Glirist." Here thoo 
 we have Apostolic expo>ition 
 of this word "seed.'' The 
 Apostle csIIh attention to the 
 word being in the niogulur 
 number, and concludes by say- 
 ing ** and to thy seed which is 
 Christ." Thus you see flTe 
 promise to Abraham had a 
 double signifiuation. It had 
 reference to curnal temporal 
 blessings for the natural de- 
 scendants of Abraham, and it 
 also hud reference to thu Sn> 
 viour. It is pointed out in the 
 
CUNTROVERSV ON BAPTISM. 
 
 
 / 
 
 Now Testament that cncum- 
 oiMion has rufernnoo to the 
 carnal and iii»t the Mpiritual 
 |iart. nf iho Coveiiaiii. Wo are 
 «z,tri!.>sly tiihl (hat ''Abrahaui'8 
 i'liith W'l rockoiiuii to him tor 
 ri^ht "•nsne!»s," "when ho wan 
 In utlt'lrcl1n^ci^ion." R«»m. Iv. 9, 
 10. Mr. nutchlnson Htatcd in 
 his leciure, dlMtinoily, eni- 
 piiaiic.illy an«l ro|)t'aio<lly, that 
 thore wuii p M^llli iiy of ol>tiitn- 
 |i><4 ihu s|)i''iluui hli)>8ingr« of 
 r^ttiiunuiito, the tWrgivone.sH of 
 hins. the gill of the Holy 
 GlioHt, and S(» on, withonl fir»<t 
 bcitt^ iiiitiiitid inio the i'i>v- 
 erianl hy huptiiiini In thiit4.<h 
 eliu|>< Jioin. JL IH plainly Mlttttid 
 that Abruimm obtained the 
 proiniHe Hrxt on imcuuniiof his 
 ri<;hteoui«neHw and was circum- 
 cised after wards ^8 '' u tteul of. 
 the riuhteoiirineHH of the i'aiih 
 which ho hud, living yet uncir* 
 cunici.ioti, thut lie might be the 
 fitilier of ail ihem Uiai believ« 
 thouyh they be nut circtimciavdl* 
 Thutf wu HOC t bait the LloM^ing 
 isf(»ralliho f'aiUtfnl Iteliiiver.H 
 through the righttoiMnetiM of 
 faith. We becouie the child- 
 ren of Abruhuui nevther by 
 circumcision uor by baptism 
 but by faith. We take the 
 f>osition titat circumcision be- 
 l(^ig8 ti> the law. " If 3 o ho 
 circuniuittod Chriot Mhidl protit 
 3 on nothing," "every maa 
 tliat i.H cireuiuoised i(> a debtor 
 to do the whole law," (Gal. v. 
 2, 8.) We ihuH 8eo the ApoR" 
 tlo'c^idea ot circumcitsion, it id 
 carnal in. contrast 10 faith 
 whiei) i» spirituil. In another 
 piu«A». tUu,,>Aj/udiile uftkii, '* iiur 
 
 oeived ye the Spirit by the 
 w<>rl<H of the law or by ihe 
 ho irin}; of faith ? having begun 
 in ihe Spirit are yet now made 
 perfect in the floHti ?" Law is 
 contrasted with faith — the 
 fler'h with the spirit. Circum- 
 cision belongs to the carnal 
 p«n of the law.- Pulth is the 
 grand connect int. link heiwt'cn 
 us and Alirnham The Scrifv 
 tare which I have quoted* wili 
 help us as we proceed to ex-^ 
 amino the pottKages produced, , 
 by Mr. Uulcliifisonrin soppurt . 
 of hi8 views. He stated that , 
 infants entered the covenant 
 under the Law through ciroum- .> 
 cision, I hoy are to enter U 
 under ^to Goap«d throu|rh 
 Baptism. I think that I have 
 shown you tliat circumcision 
 has to do only witb the carnal 
 pari of the c«»vonant.. To . 
 prove that, perpeinity of the 
 Altrahamio oovenaot, Mr. Hut* 
 ohiuHOD callu4< our aitvntion tu 
 the pusstige, Joreuiiah 30th 
 chap. 20th verse.. " Tlieir 
 irhildivn alHu shall boa atore 
 lime." Whal| I uxk, dotfii thid 
 pro^phecy refer to? Mv. Uat- ■, 
 chiiiMon replitts ; *'Why toitha 
 G<>it|.el times." Lqok at the 
 Context and we Hhall see tba|4.. 
 the prophet miikes the tdupl^/' 
 staii-int-ut that the Jews thai! 
 he brought up again atUr their 
 ,70 years captivity. ** X will*, 
 bring again the captivity, of, 
 Jaoob's tente." We were told 
 last week, to confine ourselves 
 to ''Thus suith; the L rdV 
 When Mr. llutchinHMi lells us 
 this pa«sagO' ri'fers to Cio>|k.'I 
 titoejt .liijiiA(uiji»meut.iiMirt' 'Xkiu,. 
 
COMtROVIRSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
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 Uie 
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 made 
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 ducod, , 
 hppurt 
 
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 carnal 
 U To 
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 tioii tu 
 30th 
 
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 tuitha 
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 irity. of, 
 re told 
 ppiQivet. 
 
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 Ittlitt UH 
 Go>|h;I 
 
 !'•■ 
 
 Mith man.** Seott in his eom- 
 mentary apeakH of this pasasga 
 as htving refarenoe only to 
 temporal thioKS. Ha saj^s not 
 a word aboat Ooepel times. 
 
 The next passage the lec- 
 turer qooted was that In Isaiah, 
 — ** And they shall bang upon 
 him all the glory of hisfath-' 
 ers house, the ofli«pHng and 
 the issae." Bo these words 
 refer to the Gospel dispensa- 
 tion and tbas prove the per- 
 petuity of the Abrahamie 
 covenant? Let us look at the 
 whole pasHage and see if it will 
 bear thin construction. If yon 
 read fV«»m the 15th verae to 
 the end of the chapter you 
 will see that the whole thing 
 is a simple hiittorioal statement. 
 The king's treasurer, Shebna, 
 is to be removed, and another 
 man— Kiiakim— Ih to be taken 
 in hilt pluee. What in the 
 world has this to do with in- 
 fant baptiitm 7 » We are asked 
 to believe that this sentence 
 provcb the perpetuity of the 
 Alirahamio covenant, simply 
 beeauae the word ** offspring" 
 oooora in it. Albert Barnes, in 
 his •'Notes,*' apeaks of this 
 chapter frum tha 15lh to 2ftih 
 verses in this way:—" The 
 remainder of this chapter is 
 occupied with a predictioa con- 
 cerning Sheboa, but ha does 
 not say anything about the 
 Abrahamie cov«>nant. The lac- 
 larer next called our attention 
 to the words of the covenant 
 — •' I will be a God unto thy 
 seed after thea." Ho said 
 that this expression signifisd 
 tha promise of all ^aritoal 
 
 bletsiags. Is it a fad that 
 those iofknts who were ciroum- 
 ciscd according to tha eom- 
 mand of Gkid, enjoyed tha 
 blessiugs which the Reverend 
 gentleman eonmerated T Take 
 the case of Ishmael. He waa 
 circumcised. Was ha made a 
 subject for the operation of the 
 Divine Spirit? Jacob and 
 Esau were both circumcised, 
 and yet Gk)dsays, •• Jacob have 
 I loved and Bsao have I hated." 
 So yon see this theory breaks 
 down when applied to tha 
 fkots of tha BiUe. Then 
 again, Mr. Hutchinson called 
 attention to the term, "ever- 
 lasting." He admitted, how- 
 ever, that this word did not 
 always mean, in the Bible, 
 forever or perpetual. This 
 was a good admusion, for it is 
 a matter of faot. Ton will 
 notkse in Genesis xvii., 13, "My 
 covenant shall be in your flesh 
 fbr an everUuHng covenant." 
 If circomcision is to have no 
 end where does baptism coma 
 in? We are told that " aver^ 
 lasting" may be limited. 
 What is its limitation In thia 
 insUnce ? In Bxodus sx^x., 9, 
 occur the words—" and tha 
 
 {>riest's offliM shall be theirs 
 or a perpetual statute," and 
 yet we know that the Aaronto 
 priesthood eama to an and.<«^> 
 The ides of adducing this pss- 
 sage to prove the perpataity of 
 the. Abrahamie covenant. Mr. 
 Hutchinson's next proof text, 
 was the one in I. Ohron. stvi., 
 15, "Ba ye mindfhl i|lway^ of 
 his eovanaat; tha word whleh 
 ha aassmandad to a tboosand 
 
C0M7R0VEA$Y OH BAiTMM. 
 
 I^D|Brf tlqns." Tbf n we wore 
 ti;e^i,e(J, tq. tto. ttuthroeticiil.cHl- 
 C)|jMioi»k bui he udm i tied, t hut 
 a, defiriUe Bjunher is Honiuiiitieo 
 
 iised. fpniBO ini4<>'inj^0 one.-H^ 
 J^M^tf' reifd, the, whole, of thu 
 pfit^iii^gf and y,ou I will see thni 
 
 '*J][i>to ,tbiQ« .will J gh& U»e 
 \fiti^ of Cim)H«rii" JK:. tWhat 
 hiatt.;.^bii|i i^Oi do with ^piriluai 
 blei>sinK1)?l. In, regund t^> Ahe 
 •iejfp(^, " t^iiUKAi^ . gQneraJtioiiB'f 
 IFiPr-mM*^ .n%fi<«i.i>Jlowuuce i'nr 
 {^iouJ R|t4«me"ttv.. Xhe Ijuo- 
 l^'ji^ nexi),fi9)led.iMir Httuntiufi 
 IpiQ^a^iiu^ iki.,,. !l7, iwh«rtt, i), 
 8pe<^kH of the) law not dihiMM'vl- 
 li^g,^be> AtevenftQt,./i)ut I wouldi 
 a»ki jiPP) ttv.l<>*^,nt ittie' I4ih, 
 V(5»;^«j| ••.U?liui„we minh*- regeive 
 t^i^f O^roinitie .,of'„i(lie 8|»irii " 
 
 ^h% AlKiytleViiwondti -uih) . tliQ 
 b|pHl> f*,thifeugb ii^itlv" I ho. 
 cffrpftL,,pt»piMH w^«AV<the spirit 
 umI^ ,, Xbe Af»p»*Vie .eumiii up 
 thi§ WH»ra«nt,by,»!ay.i«^,^' Ye; 
 ajtt»i,Mjl,;,theMohiWjreM of/ G:«Ad. 
 t.l»f^>»gb /"^iU in Cb^wt.J/eHiirt." 
 Hjawiflpes ibiiH «gr<4e wiih^tiio 
 l^^r^r'H,^^^tein>erit . tbut we 
 C|^n9t7./)biUiny ;-.«pi|ritaul blon^ , 
 syfB* 9f^t#We tb«.<i«vojmnu,Mtnd- 
 ^ ; j;av8t, <eniif ir . tbeHitiov^ittinl 
 %^ipg4i. biyMjsfp,?. Mjt.; Pu)r 
 c\)Un^ftf ne«it dineutod, r>ui</ utr/ 
 tftotiQp, ^; t,bie .>wowl8jpf, l^UleT': 
 
 pj)9pJ«„e!«^..tbe ffi»y of PenI*. 
 co^bu|,4 fitted tOi^^eeiUbiM' b« 
 
 cai|i#y ti)?,4oipg siO* In (^^oi4-r 
 tipp .v^v*ny ! i>!iefl4<'8>ft'»«'!«*>n I < 
 v)^y,mfint,m tU«!fUQVt.£.ha^8Mul,! 
 
 ha wfut |)aptifitt«k The oniw of 
 .(lotneiius iiiitfhtttlriM be cited 
 in this ooiineotion.i The 8t'l'i|J)■ 
 ture>«/eonUl)rl iiC'tiouDtr* i>i maivy 
 who bulJDved the Word o4' (iod 
 Olid revuivod the Holy Qliont 
 6</9r«ibHnliHra. , We wei'u told 
 thai undei* the ftrust^nt diW|»ou« 
 'tiUtiori there/ie no dt^tilt^lli^h• 
 ing. ixiiweuH ibe MXut^ in the 
 soered ord i n a n ue . ' 1 1, > ma y i »u 
 Hiiy,.Uipti'<tQ,iH|(UHUie ^nvetof 
 cjcouiiibirtioii, , wil»y^ .do y<»u 
 m»ke.» clrtiii^u if) tbin reriiieet 
 and admit inruffiH -of ;,,boih 
 sex«K<? (Jii'Miinriwi^-t^x hoM.noi 
 given pluue to l«MpAihin. Wiwte 
 du wi> fiiui the 4r4>u»l of the ' 
 Jewi^h ri^jw? iin. IJiitchinMtiv 
 V'ld nat ulsu thut fumulur* did 
 n^>l uut the pMM«4i»Ter< F«ii'lMiirn 
 irf l-JH HTypitJogy of. S^-riplUrU'f 
 
 t^ii\:», "The.fi'UKt of tliu Ptl^s-< 
 over wu^ held at (boi plaeei 
 appi iiii,(ed 'Where the .multiMA/xi 
 the ftnuile^ met to eut ii.V 
 KuJfhuii-Ui va. liuit'hJMNOU,! Mi*.; 
 Tt>n'»Mtue then t<ioU' up oitdr 
 diM(^sht'dv the pui^Miue in J;<or< 
 miUiHiFi-, •^-4i uiid endeuvourod! 
 to shMrW <thu< ininiurhiou w«hi 
 there irtteiidedi /An unimndod' 
 ounMertoitiuMrbelweeM hitn undi 
 A|]^4,vU|iteiuiiH.or> ,ocoiired on 
 tbJH; poiiit, (wnd he c rnciiided 
 l»^ i\uttU(\^A'n>m Smith n Bible < 
 didiMinuryr Ne^udttr's ChMit>h . 
 Histpry itnd BonHiiUuikorii., >>)i'< > 
 
 '(i' u '■ S,. <•/■■ '^ vtiH hMi 
 
 JheiRev. !Mrj Hutchinso'mih^ 
 r^plytitoMriuiToirrance observed* 
 th«t iwhabevier mighti< be > said ! 
 ab<Mitnthei passage ill Jler: xxx.,- 
 26y<.theBe> !Could *be no doubti oi^ 
 the tneaning of 'Iraiah, xxiii, i>)i ' 
 H« jroM^ fiast cansidfen^eiipuub > 
 
CONTROVBR8Y ON BAP41SM. 
 
 ii.V 
 
 ao. "Their children shall be 
 ai aforetime, saith the Lord." 
 This, the speaker said undoubt- 
 edly rdrrred to the restoration 
 of Israel, not from Babylonish 
 captivity, bu!t from the long 
 captivity during which they were 
 scattered, as they are still among 
 ail the nations, and not their 
 capiivity- in one nation only, M 
 in .the Babyloniffh. Thus the 
 context reads ** For 1 am With 
 thee, saith the Lord — though I 
 have made a full end of all na- 
 tions whither I have acattered 
 thee — yet will! not make a full 
 end of thee." Verse, ii, *^ And 
 they shall serv« God and David 
 their King,'' Verse 9. •' And 
 Jacob shall be quiet and none 
 shall make him afraid ;" Verse 
 10. — See A-erses 17, 18, 19 ; and 
 in the 20th verse it reads '* Their 
 children shall be as aforetime." 
 The passage clearly fortells the 
 final restoration of Israel, when,^ 
 as St. -Paul Expresses it, — they 
 shall be grafted into then? own 
 churrh again, — -Rom. xi., 15- 
 For when speaking to the Gen^ 
 ti!e« he says, " If thou wert cut 
 out of the Olive tree which is 
 wild by nature, and wert grafted 
 contrary to nature into a good 
 Olive tree" (i. e. the Jewish' 
 Church) how . tnudl iliore shall 
 theses which be the natural 
 bNinche» he grafted into their 
 own Olive tree ; " and having 
 declared that when they return 
 they wiUi be admitted iiito their 
 own 'cburbh, w Olive tree, God 
 adds that t* their children shall 
 be as aforetime," showing <that 
 Abraham's covenant was stilLto 
 beiltkfe cpveiianti^oC .the tuuted 
 
 "choseft people." The* as re- 
 gards laaiah, xxii., 34, '* They 
 shall hang upon Him, all the 
 glory of his Father s house, the 
 offspring and the issue." The 
 lecturer said that the passage 
 could refer to none but the 
 Messiah typified by the son 
 of Hilkiah, just as in the 
 other chapter in Jeremiah, 
 David was said ' to reign 
 over them-— Jer, xxx., 9; mean- 
 ing Him whom David represen^ 
 ed; so in this passage he whom 
 t!he son of Hilkiah represent- 
 ed is said to receive the 
 infants in the better dis- 
 pensation. In the passage 
 we are told that ** to him wai 
 given the key of the House of 
 David/'-^Is. xxii., at. " He 
 was to open and no man was to 
 shut,^' verse ia; " As a nail," he 
 was to be "fastened in a sure' 
 pla^e,' and he shall be for' a 
 glorious throne to his Father's 
 house"*— ^' whose house unartf' — 
 says St. Paul ; and they were toi 
 hang"' upon him all the glory df 
 that house, " the o£fi;pring< and 
 the issue." The reverend lec- 
 turer then said that the prophe<^ 
 was' fulfilled in^ Christ, who ac- 
 knowledged the tfuCh of the! ■pre- 
 dictions, when he to6k' the litUe 
 children' in his arms and blessed 
 them. Mr. Torrance said em- 
 phatically that these little ehild^ 
 reta were /^ipa persons, ' capaMig 
 of believing) and that the Greek' 
 — **Hei took theta up >in His' 
 arms" was one word, and sigtli^ 
 fisd embracing grown persons id ' 
 in his arms. Tl\.e <WOrd in thC 
 original is eriagtMlimri/ieno$i mi^ 
 is^ aot' fottBd^-ekewhere -wvtheH 
 
« 
 
 OOMTROVXIISY OM BAmSM. 
 
 
 I 
 
 
 \ 
 
 
 i '. 
 
 N«w Testament, but is lound in 
 Proverbs, vi., lo, and xxiv., 33, 
 and means , folding one's hands 
 across the breast; It is always 
 explained by the context If 
 the children were .mere babes 
 our tnuislatioo is correct, " He 
 took them, up in His arms." 
 The Greek word in S. Luke xviii. 
 15, is ''And, they brought unto 
 hita Brephe0," "in&nts," and 
 means as young as when born, 
 and. is the name given to them 
 even before birth. Thus we are 
 told that Elisabeth's ^6^ leaped 
 at the salutatioHrof Saint Mary.^r- 
 Irfikei., 4,1. It is the same word in 
 the Grt^k, Brq>hof. So also in 
 Luke^ , iii, I s, " The ' babe was 
 wrapped in swaddling clothes" 
 -^l^e word babe is BrephoB, the 
 very same , word that represents 
 the infants which were brought 
 to Jesus.— But then Mr. Tor- 
 rance laid great stress, on the 
 w<Mrds "Suffer little children to 
 come imto me." That was just, 
 he: said^ what the Baptists want- 
 edk they desired them to come to 
 Ghrut Wiell^ if the gentleman 
 can prove that babes, not 34 
 hours c^ can come to Christ 
 without assistance, all we have 
 to sfy is thea. that he acknow- 
 ledges them fit sultjects for Bap- 
 tism, so that he thereby eonle^suM 
 himself vanquished ; and these 
 infants 4id come, just as our 
 iniiiQts come to the sacred fimt^ 
 wbea> their, parents bring them 
 tiiere. Through , their , parents 
 thfsy a!;e acknowledged as com^ 
 iqg. Thus we are told "They 
 htQught young' ; children to , 
 Ch^t," Tne wqrd brought is 
 l>rAtQi^«ii, andijabvays means 
 
 the moving of those that could 
 not move themselves. Tnus, 
 for example, John xix., 29. 
 " They btivffht a sponge." Matt 
 xxii., 19. '* They brought unto 
 him a penny." Matt iv., 34, 
 "And b oUi/M unto him all that 
 were sick." Thus we read, 
 " being wounded he was brnught 
 to the phahnx." Aqe»iUiMB^ ii.:, 
 13. "They were young and 
 tender infants, he said, and as 
 such were taken up in Christ's 
 arms and blessed," and there- 
 fore the argument presented was 
 untouched by Mr. Torrance. 
 "Whosoever shall not receive 
 the Kingdom of God as a little 
 chid shall in no case enter 
 therein." Mr. Torrance has 
 acknowledged what he could not 
 help acknowledging, that if can« 
 didates for baptism become like 
 little children — who are the pro- 
 per subjects — none could forbid 
 water that they should not be 
 baptisedi. On dincifMng the 
 iwtions Mr. Torrance was evi- 
 dently afraid of the arguments 
 drawn from Matt xxviii., 19, 
 "Make disciples of all nations 
 bv baptizing them," and at once 
 flies from the commission to St 
 Jonn iv., r, "Jesus made and 
 baptised more disciples than 
 John." Made first, he says, and 
 baptised afterwards^ Suppose 
 we grant the truth of what he 
 sajrs, what has that to do with 
 the commission given afterwards 
 to the Apostles by Christ him- 
 self^ in language so plain that 
 Mr. Torrance dare not, and did 
 not speak one word upon the 
 subject of that commiwion, but 
 flies bock to JoIiaivm i^ " Made 
 
CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 -■'i 
 
 and baptized." These two words, 
 however, prove nothing against 
 the commission, for every Greek 
 scholar knows they only mean 
 one single idea. St. John's 
 style, as is well known, is the 
 most Hebraic of the New Test- 
 ament, and the subsidary ideas 
 which are expressed in Greek 
 style by participles are repre- 
 sented by a succession of verbs, 
 in the Hebrew or Hellenistic 
 style, coupled by kai. The very 
 next verse is an example; "He 
 left Judea and departed again ;" 
 in Greek idiom it would be "He 
 left Judea departing again." At 
 all events the passage can have 
 no force in opposition to the 
 plain meaning oi Christ's words. 
 John's baptism, and so also that 
 of our Lord, was Jewish baptism, 
 but this baptism contained in 
 the commission, was christian 
 baptism, and to be continued as 
 a seal of the Abrahamic cove- 
 nant, unto the end of the world. 
 Our learned opponent repre- 
 sented us as 8uyiDg that the 
 Abrahamic covenant holds good 
 in the gospel dispeosation and 
 that intttolti were ioitiated into 
 it 't both. .What we said was 
 that the covenant made with 
 Abraham embraced the Christ- 
 ian as well as the Jewish dis- 
 pensation, and included every 
 blessing, temporal and spirit- 
 ual, which a merciful God 
 oould bestow upon bis people. 
 The words of the covenant 
 are, "I will establish my 
 covenant between me and thee 
 and thy seed after thee in 
 their generations, for an ever- 
 lasting covenant to be a God 
 
 unto thee and thy seed after 
 thee." Gen. xvii. 7. We did 
 not say that this covenant held 
 good in the Christian dispensa- 
 tion, but that it was made for 
 U8 as well as for the nVtaral 
 seed of Abraham. We dict^ot 
 say that infants were initiated 
 into it, but that they being 
 included in the covenant re- 
 ceived the seal to which they 
 wore so manifestly entitled. 
 The gentleman told us that 
 circumcision represented the 
 carnal part of the covenant. 
 To which we reply that being 
 the divinely appointed seal of 
 the covenant as we find in Gen. 
 zvii. 10, it could not represent 
 any part of it merely, for it 
 was a complete seal of the 
 whole covenant, and in that 
 dispensation it sealed the 
 spiritual no less than the na- 
 tural seed of Abraham. Mr. 
 Torrance " takes the position 
 that circumcision belongs to 
 the law," but in that statement 
 he seems to have overlooked 
 the fact that the covenant and 
 i(s seal existed 430 years be- 
 fore the law was given. Gal. iii. 
 17, and therefore could not 
 have exclusively belonged to 
 it. Our eloquent friend ac- 
 knowledges that Abraham 
 received circumcision as a seal 
 of the faith which he had be- 
 fore he was circiimoised. Very 
 well said indeed I Then his 
 circumcision at its first begin- 
 uing was beleivers' circumci- 
 sion, but did such arrange- 
 ments exclude the infont from 
 the divine ordinance ? Now 
 this known fact holds equally 
 
10 
 
 CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 I i 
 
 ^ood with regard to baptiBm. 
 The Ethiopian Treasarer was 
 foaptiked tts a seal of the faith 
 which he had before he was 
 baptized, Acts, viii. 37, but 
 thi^o more ezcladed the in- 
 fMf that could not beiiove 
 {fdm the sacrament of baptism 
 than Abraham's faith which he 
 had before he was ciroumoised 
 ezoluded the infant eight days 
 old firom the sacred ordinance. 
 And the reason of all is this, 
 that believers and their child- 
 dren were both included in the 
 holy covenant of which both 
 rites were seals. How foolish 
 the idea that circumcision was 
 a seal of the carnal part of the 
 covenant, and represented the 
 law only. How repugnant is 
 this idea to the plain word of 
 God. "That he is not a Jew 
 who is one outwardly, neither 
 is that circnmCisioD which is 
 outward In the flesh, but he is 
 a Jew which is one inwardly, 
 and ciroumcisioo is that of the 
 heart," Rom. ii. 28, 29, but our 
 talented friend would have it 
 all outward, in the letter and 
 not in the spirit. This it sure- 
 ly would have been if it was a 
 seal merely "•f the oamal 
 part of the covenant, and re- 
 
 6 resented the law." Even 
 [oses understood the spiritual 
 character of the coten^nt of 
 circumcision. Thus in Deut. 
 XXX. 6, we read, " And the 
 Lord thy God will oircumoise 
 thine heart and the heart bf 
 thy seed to love the LoM thy 
 God with all thine heart." Did 
 Moses mean by all this that 
 citroumcision was a seal only 
 
 of the carnal part of the cov- 
 enant and represented the 
 law ? The very mention of the 
 absurdity is sufficient to refVite 
 it. 
 
 The learned gentleman next 
 tells us ** that we become the 
 children of Abraham by neither 
 circumcision nor baptism, but 
 by faith," and then he gives 
 us what be oalln " Paul's idea." 
 Let us hear what Saint Paul 
 says, " For ye are all the child- 
 ren of God by faith in Christ 
 Jesus." Oh yes, cries our 
 fjriend, we are children by 
 faith, but not by baptism. Just 
 wait a moment, do not form 
 your conclusions too soon, let 
 St. Paul give his own explana- 
 tion, " For as many of yon as 
 have been baptised into Ohrist 
 httve put Oh Christ." Gal. iii. 
 26, 27. The word " for" sig- 
 nifies because, and introduces 
 the reason why they were all 
 the children of God by faith, 
 " for as many of you as have 
 been baptized into Cbiist have 
 put on Ohrist." Therefore he 
 says, "There is neither Jew 
 nor Greek, there is neither 
 bond nor fVee, there is neither 
 male nor female for ye are all 
 one in Ohrist Jesus. And if 
 ye be Christ's then are ye 
 Abraham's seed and heirs ac- 
 cording to the promise." Gal. 
 iii. *26, 27, 28, 29. Gould any 
 language be stronger agaiiast 
 the assertion of Mr. Torrance 
 than this inspired kecord. 1st, 
 The Galatian Christians were 
 made the children of God by 
 the faith of a profession made 
 in baptism, aind not by faith 
 
the cov- 
 ited the 
 on of the 
 to reflite 
 
 man next 
 
 oome the 
 
 »y neither 
 
 )ti8in, but 
 
 be gives 
 
 nl's idea." 
 
 ^aint Paal 
 
 the child- 
 
 in Christ 
 
 cries our 
 
 iidren by 
 
 tism. Just 
 
 not form 
 
 > soon, let 
 
 1 explana- 
 
 of yon as 
 
 into Christ 
 
 ." Gkil. iii. 
 
 " for" sig- 
 
 introdaoes 
 
 y were all 
 
 id by faith, 
 
 Toa as have 
 
 }biist have 
 
 herefore he 
 
 Htber Jew 
 
 is neither 
 
 » is neither 
 
 ye are all 
 
 s. Atkd if 
 
 Bn are ye 
 
 d heirs ao- 
 
 mise." Gal. 
 
 Could any 
 
 i;er agaiiast 
 
 p. Torrance 
 
 ecord. Ist, 
 
 stians were 
 
 of God by 
 
 sssion made 
 
 >t by faith 
 
 CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 HI 
 
 * 
 
 ^ti^lone. James, ii. 20. 2ndly, 
 
 it,, This seal of baptism was com- 
 plete, ia Christ, Col. ii. 10, be- 
 cause it wa3 different from the 
 
 informer seal, being applicable 
 to both sexes, " there was 
 neithermo^e nor female." 3rdly, 
 It Christ's, that is Christ's 
 
 {Children, thus made by baptism, 
 ^Gal. iii 36, 37, then were they 
 Abraham's seed, as certainly 
 as those who had formerly 
 been circumcised, and fourthly, 
 tbey were thus made heirs 
 aocording to promise. Thus 
 St. Peter understood it when 
 on the first Whitaan-day he 
 ordered the awakened Jews to 
 *' repent and be baptized." 
 assuring them " the promise 
 is to you and your children." 
 Oar learned opponent was evi- 
 dently very much puizled from 
 the Scriptural knowledge giv- 
 en him of the perpetuity of 
 Abraham's covenant. He was 
 told that it was a.n everloiting 
 covenant, and it was naturally 
 hard for him to believe that 
 this could only mean 42 gener- 
 ations the number from Abra- 
 ham to Christ. Matt. i. 17. 
 T e word everlasting here 
 Hi dUB that so long as Cod shall 
 be the Qod of his people and 
 their children, so long this 
 oovenant will endure, and with 
 (he doting i|p of all things in 
 Bevelations it is recorded, " I 
 will be his. Cod and he shall 
 bo n^ son," Kev. xxi. 7, thus 
 giving us clearly to under- 
 stand that this covenant will 
 never come to an end, and, 
 that God is always mindful of 
 it^ii.Xhus David tells us in 
 
 1 Chrob. zvi. 15, that Abra- 
 ham's covenant was t^ extend 
 to a thousand generations. 
 Puxaled he certainly waa with 
 such facts staring him fall in 
 the face, yet such are the holy 
 records, that the eloquence of 
 the gentleman cannot possibly 
 explain them away; they 
 must therefore stand ; for Gknl 
 himself has spoken them. And 
 what does our worthy friend 
 say to all this ? The following 
 are his words and the only 
 vrorda he uttered on the sab- 
 ject. He says, " In regard to 
 the term thousand, genoniAOCB 
 we must make allowanoe for 
 poetical stataments." David, 
 then, is not 4o be credited Ac- 
 cording to the statement of 
 Mr. Torraooe ; for his thousand 
 generations only meant "forty- 
 two," which is the inunaber 
 from Abraham to Christ. It 
 is true that somaAimes/a cer- 
 tain number is taken for an 
 uncertain but that is «nly 
 when the number contemplated 
 is too large* to be accurately 
 numbered with jMadiness.;. but 
 search Uie record from Geaesis 
 to Bevelationa^nd you will not 
 find the greater number to 
 represent the less^ ; that > is, 
 in this case, the certain num- 
 ber a thovaemd to represent the 
 uncertain number fontjfriufo. 
 Away then with thatintorpre- 
 tation of the word g^iven by 
 Mr. Tonrance, whidti i leates 
 the divine statement, aa deobt- 
 fttl and makes ivoidfth* jtom- 
 mandmentoi'God. '< >*)A 
 
 The learned gefttlematt has 
 found repeated ^uLt «ith our 
 
»:; : 
 
 1«3 
 
 CONtROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 ',A 
 
 
 i 
 
 'Statement that all and every 
 bt«g6irvg for time and eternity 
 is embraced in the divine eov- 
 enantl Can tho gentleman 
 ''mention a MSfirle blensing that 
 is not embraced in it. If he 
 'CM, then we will give him 
 VArkKt for diseovering a new 
 ^gospel, Gal. i. 8. Our common 
 ! sense ought to inform un that 
 ^ we cannot receive the blesningM 
 of any contract without first 
 ^entering into the contract or 
 covenant. Without it we 
 may receive anoovenanted 
 blesHings, but covenanted ones 
 ^ we certainly oanoot receive un- 
 'til we first enter into^the cove 
 nant and take the oath of God. 
 Does not the «Newl!estument" 
 i'meao the <'New Covenant," 
 and does it not embrace every 
 blessing of the gospel, even 
 that same gospel that was 
 ■ preached to Abraham; Gal. iii. 
 8;' And w* %repkttnly inform- 
 ed that it has the same sub- 
 Jaots, belierers and their ohild- 
 reD«'i"fAee and My seed after 
 fAes/' Oen xvii.'Y, or "jfou and 
 your children" •» St. Peter 
 enresses it, Acts, iii 39. 
 
 But Mr. Torrance tells us 
 
 'that Saul received the Holy 
 
 •'-Ghost/ before he was baptized, 
 
 ifW« dBuj thnnin totOf and call 
 
 'iipon the gentleman for his 
 
 proof which he did not give 
 
 beeaase he ooo'ld not find it. 
 
 vinstead of this Ananias is 
 
 fe'Jdirected by the Holy Ghost to 
 
 taay to him^ ^* Arise and be bap- 
 
 ( ticed and wash away thy sin." 
 
 Acts,,xxii, 6. To a Gbarchman 
 
 ^fiWhNy has been instracted in the 
 
 ti«ov«t!Aot, this truth is just as 
 
 reasonable as it is divine, but 
 to a Baptist we arcHureitis 
 juHt aM dark us midnight. John, 
 xii. 39, 40. 
 
 It ia true that Oornellus and 
 his fViends did receive the Holy 
 GhoHt before baptism. But 
 why? Because the apostleu being 
 Jews hesitated to give them 
 the soal of the covenant be- 
 cause they were Gentiles. A 
 special revulatioo had to have 
 been made to St. Peter beforu 
 his prejudice coukt be removed, 
 and ho enabled to believe that 
 God was no respecter of personH 
 Acts z. 9-15, uiid verseu 34,36. 
 
 We are asked by the gentle- 
 man for proof that baptism in 
 in the placo of circumcision. 
 Surely we have given it. In 
 Col. it. 12, it called Christ's 
 circumcision which means evi 
 dently that it is ChristV way 
 of circumcising, the burden- 
 some and bloody rite giving 
 place to the milder ueal of the 
 Gospel. 
 
 The gentleman repeatedly 
 expressed his astonishment 
 that, when the dissentiou ai*ose 
 about circumcision the apos- 
 tles did not tell them thai 
 baptism waa in the place of it. 
 We reply that this is just what 
 St. Peter did tell them. Acts xv. 
 7, S. Compare with Acts x. 13, 
 14,16,16, when by divioeauthor- 
 ity these same GbntiloH were 
 baptised. Mr. ' Torrance told 
 his audience that Mr. Hutchin- 
 son laid great stress on the 
 grammatical oonstruotion of 
 the commission and labored 
 hard to prove that the sentence 
 means " disciple the rations by 
 
COKTROVERSY ON KA'ntSM 
 
 »3 
 
 k'ine, but 
 Haru it is 
 ht. John, 
 
 eliuH and 
 
 the Holy 
 
 m. But 
 
 tloH being 
 
 ve them 
 
 jiiaut bo- 
 
 tiiea. A 
 
 d to have 
 
 ter befbru 
 
 removed, 
 
 lieve that 
 
 >f poi*Hon» 
 
 seu 34,35. 
 
 le gentlt)- 
 
 aptism iti 
 
 sumoision. 
 
 )ii it. In 
 
 ChriBl's 
 
 keant) evi 
 
 |itjt't» way 
 
 I buitien- 
 
 te giving 
 
 )al of the 
 
 epeatedly 
 >ni8hmeDt 
 tioD arase 
 iho apoB- 
 hem that 
 aco of it. 
 juDl what 
 . Acts XV. 
 .eta X. 13, 
 neauthor- 
 JIOH were 
 race told 
 Hdtohin- 
 3 on the 
 otion of 
 I labored 
 I sentence 
 ations by 
 
 baptising them." Not very 
 hard sorely; for it was Ohviat 
 himself that taught the bitswed 
 truth. What dS hii eloquent 
 friend say in reply to 'Mr. 
 Hutchinsooon the grammatio- 
 al 'oentitruetion of that oom* 
 mission? Not one syllable, 
 and why? we ask. Bocauoe 
 the ingenuity of man could not 
 invent one syllable aipunstit. 
 Therefore the sileooe of Air. 
 Torrance. He tells us, belief 
 first then baptism, but the 
 word does not ^ay that, but 
 " He that bolieveth and w bap- 
 tised shall be saved." It does 
 not say whether the belief 
 was toeome before or after the 
 bwtism. 
 
 Tbe gentleman nest dwells 
 on the fSftmilies that the holy 
 apoBlkss baptised with their 
 pancots, -ts reoorded in the 
 Acts of the Apostles, and he 
 dare noiieven utter a syllable 
 of reply except that the family 
 of StephBDas must. have been 
 groiwn ehildfeo, beoanse that 
 in the !sattte> efviMle St. Baul 
 speaks of the family of Ste- 
 phanas aehavisg add icted them- 
 selves to the ministry of the 
 saints. Too young be<«dd* to 
 appnotate FmtPa .argomefits. 
 (St. Paal's) and yet addict- 
 ed to the mioistry of the 
 saints. DoM the tfentleman 
 imagine that onoe an infant 
 always an infant ? Does he 
 not J^ now that groat changes 
 oeour 'in growing fiimilies in 
 the eoorse of 8 or 10 years? 
 The boy in the year SI, when 
 Stephanas and his family were 
 baptised would natarally be 
 
 much older in 69 wtren the' 
 record was > made. The ekl«Bt 
 of the children of Stepbsnos ' 
 may- have been 10 > or 16 yesrs 
 old when thejy w«re ba{)ti«ed, 
 whilst others may hafe been' 
 mere babeb ; end yet it ff*}gh« 
 easily be said ai them 10 yeste 
 alterwaMls that they had sb<m<- 
 ed much kindnens to the^mUftttaj 
 St. Paul ftiDt posses tbem 
 altoeetfaer und tkeuks^kxi'h* 
 hod haptiied none >bat Oritimt 
 and Oainu. We demand the' i 
 reason of this' i^otal omissiea 7 1 
 We ore well convinced, and so ) 
 also is Mr. Torrance thwt no' 
 leason cob be igiven for ity 'bit 
 that wbieh' WO' gave inonrleb- 
 tare. As to the tket that'ttMi 
 house of Ssphftnas ' oddieted 
 theoMelves to tbe miaii9tfy>ttf 
 the saints, were this m |«eo< 
 that they hodiamoogothem no 
 infants, we might &id a mill 
 stronger proof that thehowtei 
 of the Eeohabites had wtmmg^ 
 them DO infiMts, beoadse inil 
 Jeremiah :xazv. 2«I1, ttaey od-t 
 dieted tbenseliveB to perfiiraK' 
 the eomimandment ot their 
 Father, but ia t)oth oases the<i 
 exception of infancy may be>^ 
 easily understood. ) 
 
 The gentleman quoted the 
 rationaHstic NeattderasteMfttg 
 that long ecrongh before the 
 12th oeotury Tei'tallfan appnnu^ 
 ed infkat baptism to' which wo'^ 
 reply that Memider tdld-no'' 
 such thing. Tertnllfan nev^i^'* 
 doubted infant baptism, bat^ 
 siipplr advised titer delay -df it, * 
 and DftM^sed infanKa not, one' 
 hour old whefh he 'thaaght 
 death was a|ypfoaMifiag. If 
 
 \ 
 
''\ 
 
 !< I 
 
 ' 1 
 
 J4 
 
 CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 any peraon oan now point us 
 to a single thing said by Mr. 
 Torrance in his leoture against 
 InftMit tmptismi ,tbat we > have 
 not noticed and replied to, we 
 will be motiit happy to give it 
 our immediate, attention. We 
 have foUowied bim through the 
 whole of it, and we are well 
 convinoed of what a certain 
 
 f»erson in Orillia of groat inteK 
 igenee said that Mr. Torrance is 
 evideotly not at home in the 
 Bible, but we think he iu as 
 much so as any Baptist preach- 
 er in the whole Domiaion. 
 His system is evidently of the 
 evil one and not of God. 
 
 Thus we have replied to 
 every sentence uttered in Oril- 
 lia, by the gentleman against 
 infant baptinm. He has been 
 weighed in the balances and 
 found wanting. It was nothing 
 but the force of truth that over- 
 powered one of the most 
 eloquent men of his denomina- 
 tion. The Beverend gentle- 
 man then concluded his reply 
 by merelyrepoatingsomeof his 
 former arguments which de said 
 Lad not even been noticed by 
 his worthy and eloquent oppo- 
 nent. 
 
 (Part of the reitly of John Torrance to 6ur 
 second lecture, bearing on the firM.) 
 
 We come now. to consider the 
 commission given to the disci- 
 ples. In Katthew's Qospel the 
 words aye — "Go ye .therefore 
 and teach all nations, baptizing 
 them in the name of the Fath- 
 er, and of the Son, and of the 
 Holy Ghost." Mr. Hutchin- 
 son Mid great stress upon the 
 gr^mmutjcal coustruction of 
 
 this sentebce, and labored to 
 prove that the sentence means. 
 * "Disciple all nations bv bap- 
 tiaioic and teaching / them." 
 Let us see what light other 
 
 Eassages throw upon this. 
 tttke's account says, **Gro ye 
 into all the world and preaeh 
 the. got4>el tu every creature. 
 He that believeth and is bap- 
 tised shall be saved, but he 
 that believeth not shall be 
 damned." Bulief ^ first, then 
 baptism. In John iv., 1, we 
 read, " When therefore the 
 Lord knew how the Pharisees 
 had heard that Jesus made and 
 baptized more discipUs than 
 John." Made thorn disciples 
 firut, then baptised them, not 
 made them disciplus by bap- 
 tizing them. Wilson, a paedo- 
 baptist author, tellH us m his 
 work on " Infant Baptism.'' 
 The neeebsityof a profession 
 of faith prior to baptism is ren- 
 dered more explicit by the 
 language of Mark, ** He that 
 believeth and is baptized shall 
 be saved." Peter exhorteth the 
 multitude to "repent and be 
 baptiied." Repentance first, 
 baptism afterwards. The ' lec- 
 turer's next point was alwut 
 the Scriptural oases of house- 
 hold baptism. He said there 
 were eight oases t but he only 
 mentioned two. The first was 
 that of the Philiipian jailor. 
 Now if yod read the whole 
 narrative you will see in Acts 
 xvi., 32, that "P«ul preached 
 to all that were in the bouse," 
 
 * See p. 18. 
 t See p. 20. 
 
 .\ih|K 
 
)red to 
 
 means. 
 
 by bap- 
 
 them." 
 
 L other 
 
 I thiH. 
 
 ♦Go ye 
 
 preaeh 
 
 ireatare. 
 
 is bap- 
 
 but he 
 
 khall be 
 
 then 
 
 1, we 
 
 re the 
 
 hariseot) 
 
 mde and 
 
 es than 
 
 disoiples 
 
 em, not 
 
 by bap- 
 
 a paedo- 
 
 !) in hi8 
 
 laptiDin." 
 
 rot'eesion 
 
 m M ren- 
 
 by the 
 
 He that 
 
 Bed ffhali 
 
 Tteth the 
 
 b and be 
 
 loe first, 
 
 The lee- 
 
 Eis aliout 
 
 of honae- 
 
 iid there 
 
 he only 
 
 fir8t wao 
 
 m jailor. 
 
 le whole 
 
 ) in Acts 
 
 preached 
 
 ) boaae," 
 
 >U'.'" 
 
 CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 m 
 
 and in verM .S4 we are told the 
 man "rejoiced believing in 
 God with all his house.' ' So 
 it is plain there were none 
 there too youn^; to b<( preached 
 to and to believe. T do like 
 that gloriott8 commiBoion GK> 
 preach the Guspel to every 
 creature.* I meet with an in- 
 fant in the cradle eight days 
 old. Del preach to it? No 
 of course nut. When I meet 
 with a creature liot eapable of 
 uoderJstatiding I do not preach 
 to it. The next case cited wait 
 that'of Stephanas. Pauf Hays 
 'Vl thank God that I baptized 
 none of yon but Orispns and 
 Gaius," then he appears to 
 hesitate. Mr. Hutchinson asks 
 why did he hesitate ? and re^ 
 
 Eliea becauHC some of the house' 
 old of Stephanas welre infknts 
 and tod young to take ptu't in 
 the controversy. Yet in these 
 same epistles Paxil speaks of 
 the household Of Stephanas f 
 having addicted tbeitttefv^s t6 
 the ministry of tbe SaiSts. Too 
 young to appreciate Paul's ar- 
 gnmeot and yet addicted to the 
 ministry. "»', **-" 
 
 Mrl Hutbhinson'^s fourth' 
 point was the case of the child- 
 ren comiog to Jesus. He wish- 
 es us to believe they were in- 
 fants. — Ldok at th6 account in 
 Matthew, whel^ the Saviqlur 
 calls a little child unto him, 
 and tells his hearers that they 
 must receive the Kingdom of 
 Heaven as little children, and 
 
 * See Note p. 17. 
 t See p. 20. 
 
 ii<(. httii tWIii" 
 
 eihorts th«m not to offend one 
 of thes«^ Utile ones that! M{eve 
 onhiih. So these little child- 
 ren of whom JeSns spake ai^ | 
 old enough to believe oh him. 
 W6 doto't believe In the t^m 
 "adult baptisiii." Belittver'tt 
 baptism isth^ ri^h^ term *I 
 have baptised tih' oWn child, 
 yoaViger than Ishttiacl was 
 whom he irtubmittod to the 
 Jewish rite, upon profbssion Of 
 h«r faith in Christ. The disci- 
 ples son Id nut have been paddo- 
 baptisls, fof if they had beetf 
 accustomed to seeing Utile 
 children presented for Mbtistb, 
 they would nfot oh tfais^oooa- 
 sion have retoeted them. "Suf- 
 fer little cMidren to come tinto 
 me.^* Tes by all ineiatis. This 
 isiki harctiony with the'gl6H'>' 
 ous g^pel tnvitattons, ** Gotte 
 unto me all ye that labor." 
 "Ho everyone that thii^tetbl 
 come ye to the Waters.** Let 
 them come, not let them be 
 brought. ' Jesdfe called the 
 little children to ' hittt, arid he 
 said " Whosoeverteei^ivetb h6t 
 the Kihgdoifi/ of God^kS^ little 
 child shall itt no wise ehtei^ 
 therein." How do littlef cbild*' 
 ren receive tbla Kingdom of 
 God, actively Snd |>asi)ivelyt 
 Can we receive the Kingdom 
 without any exercise of Will 
 without any fitithf Will Mri 
 Hutchinson tell ds that the iii* 
 fan-t receives the kingdom ««•'' 
 tively ? Of eovrse he will ntyi. 
 We have to admit tiiat <*He 
 that believeth and is baptised 
 
 — . . , ': -,'): ; ■ *— — — ^ 
 
 t See p. 7, 8 and 9. 
 
CONTROVERSY ON SAPTiaM. 
 
 A.k 
 
 m 
 
 abftll be, .My/id.''* pftedo-b»iv 
 ti«^\frill< my tio^m, "Tb«n » 
 <ibJl<ipaoi¥>t UBU«ye,»nd (b«r«> 
 ftr^Mpannpt Jbia ,iM»vod." We 
 •i;«j^p])iofl0d,itotbikve gpt into 
 a„(Ulemm« ^ece, but we go 
 bMk,tOit|i» oommiwion asMn. 
 •sOopireioli tbe Qospel." To 
 w^m? To pmMos iwip«ble of 
 tuid^rstmuiiffg i^ Thepawiige 
 81^ QOthipg aboat ffhiMren 
 fioi«,.bflKionioiC to end. We 
 n«7flv said that beoaave ebiid- 
 r^n OMOOt believe tbejr «aoDot 
 be. 0av^> The i^tiver ieJd w 
 tb»t the Mtik. of, the paceot* 
 wpnld. nmkfi ttbe' ohil4ren to, be 
 tri9»tftd.,ii8 if they believed. 
 Tbo^whob^ mrgpjipa^ePt asaames 
 that ,%k«j(9^ . mnst .be fyixk some- 
 w\m«' .Mr.,,ii«;tohiQao«'acoa^ 
 clnaiag<i)tatflinejit wa» to the 
 eflOinit that there ««aA aochnroh 
 withooA iollMt baptiav, 4nd.,ne 
 pj9raoA .^hoi upob^ . ugaipat io- 
 f^nti bantiaai.n9til,U)e,l2tb wn- 
 tWfy. J^fMundAffit JQ hia "£;hoR«h 
 HMWrj," tails Jiaof TeiA«Uiaa 
 loF^g i^noogh before ithe .iSlih 
 owifVYj QPWWiAg ,iJ)faQt bapr 
 ti«p|v, JCuKAtta's BiblicaiiBa- 
 cyo^qpoBdi/^/^st vol, pa^ ^7» 
 oqonp , tbeae iW4»rd« "loftnt 
 b|(pt\w]i, waa published aeUher 
 bg^ jQhriat ,P0f . itia, ApoaUes." 
 lD,j|il,,p|(ftcafr<w.hAre. we. Jnd 
 thti ^eoassilgr of. iiaptiam men- 
 tiQwipd itia opiy ,fyr jlhose 'Who 
 an^, fiflpa{)^a. ol mdemtanding, 
 tbn^. wond ..preaohed. lo ttb^ 
 Olpiwrcth. , of J^vgiaad) Srayar 
 lEkJRk.we Bead: ,^. "What is- 
 
 ; i! 'lT — ■ t " 1 7 ■ 
 
 -j—i rr^ 
 
 
 * Paeao-baptiflt will My no snob 
 thing and Mr. Torranoe lmow« that, 
 t See p. 18. 
 
 reqnirad of ipanomt being bap- 
 tiaed?" A. «< Bepenteooe^ 
 whereby .th*j forsake ain^ and 
 faith • wharaby they belieye." 
 Q. " Why then are infanta bap- 
 tiaadr A. " Baoaiue they 
 promiie them both by thair 
 anreties," etc. So then it.ap- 
 peant there aLiiat be a profea- 
 aion of faith prior to baptiam^ 
 eyoo in the oaae of iufanta. 
 What we ooatand for ia^a per- 
 Honal fiiith. There w an old, 
 covenant. aymboliced io Moaot 
 Sinai.iand. there iiH a now coYfr- 
 nant o^ntained in the Ifew 
 Teatameat: ^'Itaball be that 
 one ihaU not- nay to another, 
 know Uie. Lord, bat all shall 
 know the liORd.; from th« leaat 
 unto thot greateat." Thia ia the 
 New.Teatament.Ghuroh. MBorn 
 again/' Bay» the Apoatia . . Eow 
 by baptism,? Not bol^'hy tha 
 word of GhxV which .Liveth and 
 abideth CoceyaR." " We am all 
 the obildrexK of Ood by £Rilh in 
 Ghriat Jeans.'* We wantall to 
 come to Chriat. We kiaya> in- 
 fanta in the handa ofthe liiing 
 God. Shall not the Judge of 
 all the earth do right 7 May 
 Ood bleaa to na the troth of 
 Hia Word. 
 
 (From Mr. Hutchiiuon't ut lectue.) 
 
 We axe asked for positive test- 
 imony fiwrnthe New Testament 
 that infants, are to.be baptized. 
 Wd| the revfiiend gentleman 
 said he would give them what 
 they required. In Matthew, 
 xxviii., 20, J we are told, "to 
 
 I The UindneM of those gentlemen 
 is unacootintable. For after hearing 
 the evidence of infant baptism pre- 
 seiitod, and plain proof gWen for it 
 
COMTKOVBRSY ON •APTI8M. 
 
 n 
 
 bap- 
 
 , and 
 eve." 
 bap« 
 thepr 
 their 
 
 COVft- 
 
 New 
 that 
 lather, 
 shall - 
 least 
 iatiie 
 •*6orn 
 Eow 
 by the 
 wend 
 are all - 
 Skith 4n> 
 itallto 
 
 make Disciples of all nations, 
 baptiziiu; and teaching them," 
 and nations consist of mrn, wo- 
 men and ehildren—iM excepting 
 the infants^ exclaim our respect- 
 ed friends on the left Oh yes 
 they say, teach them first arid 
 then disciple them, and then 
 thirdly baptize them. This all 
 comes from the left — not one 
 word of it to be found in the 
 commission. If Christ had 
 meant to enjoin three things, 
 each item by itself standing in 
 the same relation to the commis- 
 sion as the other, the laws of 
 
 ■ ' - ■ ■ . . . . , , , , 
 
 froM Holy BoriptiUM, ;«t we find • 
 frifUid 9( Mr. John l^ornmoe, throogh 
 the Expotitor, namR the fonowing 
 lattgoage r " I Mk agsiti for UM eom- 
 TUtad lMdoBe«UHB|d«lnthewoidof 
 Oodto ImptiM inlMiAs ; " (uwl thie the 
 gMitlMwii Mk* ^^ M maoh Msor. 
 anoo M if the eomnuuid had never 
 been ihoihi him, or th« eight Mrtet of 
 Inteit bantinn hMl Mvar been leeiled 
 fiMn the New T ee t e nen t. Bo naeh 
 aiiast b« eipedMd firpm those who 
 make their liTing by wmwitiing in 
 their sins thomiehree, and teSebing 
 olhen to do the easM thing. Nay, 
 the gwllwien goes farther, m if he 
 hed pMltaf lost his leases, " I have 
 ohatteaged ny pfiiwn^Bt," he Myi, 
 " to Dradaae one sehqp of hiaUuf in 
 sliplpitt (H the iafant rHe befove the 
 tfaM of TertnlliMi, A.D. SSO. Terily 
 itie a ssi e ee to reason with saeh gen- 
 tiemm. What mean the nnanswer- 
 ■hli pasiagks fAiieh "iPhilo" of 
 OrilHa so MpeatsdH gave the same 
 psMoa. Paetagee ttiat I have again, 
 and sgain iMd,notin garbled estraots, 
 bat in tpe original, and oan, there- 
 fore, TOiM)! fbr ue trath of ereiy one 
 of thein. Saying to "Philo** that he 
 witt |MUM Um over is fsnloand silaaee 
 and flSnlempI wUl do nothing at all to 
 resist tl^ lone of tha histarie evi- 
 denee for inluit baptism which ha 
 [•• Alio ••] was able to fiadnee.— M. 
 ^ iki AMtftwCMv ' ■ a; >i^ m j.'.i .. 
 
 grammar would require that each 
 Item should be enjoined in the • 
 same form, if contained in the 
 same sentenc^e. But in the com- 
 mistsiott we find only one impera* 
 tive verb, matheteuiate, and two 
 participles bMtiwntes and di^ 
 daskontes. The verb describes 
 the work to be done ; midce dis- 
 cii>Ies of the nations. The par- 
 ticiples, bapdaing and tealching, 
 simply describe the way the woric 
 is to be done. Evary Greek 
 grammarian in the whole world 
 will testify that this is the only 
 true construction of the phrase- 
 ology.* This is the plain gram- 
 mar of the case- Ifthetkeoiy 
 of our errii^ fHends be correct, 
 then, a man must be a matkiits, 
 a disci^e and a follower of 
 Christ, not only previous to bap- 
 tism, but even before he is in- 
 structed in the' commands of 
 Christ. Tht instruction here it 
 the last thing named; bapt»m< 
 precedes it, ami discipkshipalso, 
 
 . — -^ .. , ■ — — — ■■ ■...._ . ■ ■■■ J . 
 
 * Now on the il|wstolie oammiseiMi 
 wUfh emb^raoed the infants what 4i4 
 Mr. Torrance say f Not eo mooh aJi< one 
 y^toA. He iliM fhnn the eonlmisUon' 
 in M. IfaHhewto St. Mttd^ It: 16, U; 
 He gave ns to understand that the 
 '•fDand|iMae^"of Bt. Mark i« thf 
 same as the *' matheteunt^'yot m, 
 Msttha^, aad that tha tee ispia^ 
 theothM. Vary well, we rei^jithMk 
 the pMadhiag ol Hm. gospel implica 
 evHything that the priei^ of J»fm, 
 have to do in thei^ o|&eial oiqpaeity,; 
 for mathetosate indades the drtaa 
 (Affbtian eonuttbiiMi, as via haw 
 abrcady shown. To pteaeh tiie gospsl 
 then,ea«spilses also the adminisMva- 
 tion of the Saorameats: and this 
 preaehtng (if the goipsl u to be va 
 ■vaat omuanma. How thiti iatha 
 iflfSnt aaehided r->JEd. ^ Hu Imtrue- 
 
ft' 
 
 COWTROfiRSY ON BXPrFISM. 
 
 t ■ 
 
 I 
 
 I! 
 i 
 
 — r«o to be cpnsistont.with theii; 
 own intaipretatiop, we. mpst 
 baptizft die. nations before we 
 inpiiinict them, in Chnst^mi^y, 
 becauM baptizing coQies before 
 instructing in. the comn^i^ioa 
 Np, wQr^e commanded to make , 
 disciples, of the nations, men, 
 women 4 a^d chikiren, by baptiz-i 
 ing theqa } this , is the plain wprd 
 without any alteration of man. 
 He then ; proceeded to elucidd^e 
 tbiQ' subject . thus : Suppose bur 
 SavJMHir hi^ not changed the 
 sealripf the. covenant at all^ but 
 inst0adiro( baptizuig: h^ said to 
 thef Apov$(l«s "nfiake disciple;s pf, 
 all oati09fly ^ircun^cising them in 
 the fwune pf the I'atljier, and ,of 
 Son^widof tl^ Holy, ph^st," ,w^i 
 appeal, .to;, ;^ny iiwartia^ judg- 
 m^t - :i^hether the i , Apw^l^ i If- < 
 ceiving,:SUGh .a conu;nission ,,f.q. 
 ckcuiiacise) the nation^ ^ou|4 iPA 
 tha^^GonvniijBion 4eny, iffant^ me ) 
 righi^.of f ci^cwWfisioft, , ; , Qr,, itak^ . 
 ^IMHhi^rllu|fo$i^<)ni4ii'«ct ^oth^j 
 point, suppose there was a great 
 ptegtKf 'rifr> Canada, and God 
 shtjya'liijdl' t^^ tnen td (Miiii- 
 iWJWiyii;^^, lb the, peop.l«| i,pkm$ii 
 mBdidn»fa|^stthe<plagMl, 9»4; 
 cokiMfttid "His iiicsseng^ni^£fayH 
 iig :, Qifj Ve therettki:^ into the 
 
 ^fe^Pofelnj^^r (;:^dk ,4|j(3[ 
 
 say,;unt9. the p«p|4e/ " W^'^ei 
 sene«frith-i this "tnddienie'toi^eali 
 yttti ' Sf » thfe? pfa«^.«*' rihd' «*««*> 
 
 anditaketh this medicme «]^) 
 Ihne^ but' he thati believeth laot 
 sftM! "dii^.'* ' ITbtttt Ihtfl I'SlspiKwM 
 
 misMrfi H^ould^:^ ' iottoicatni^ 
 them to conclude that it ws» 
 
 God's intention, that , they should , 
 adn;iinister,jy[ip /revealed medicine,'! 
 to none but, griowp persons; be^ 
 cause they ,only, could be calleiii'" 
 together and taiigl^t the virtue of., 
 it :,and ^hey only ,could believe^ | 
 >(o indeed, this way of arguing ' 
 would not be adinitted by one oljj 
 them who had any infants sub-j . 
 jept to disease. The children 
 would, be very ^oon brought, ifpr, 
 the medicine, and not one wor^. 
 said, ^out tneir beif^ unable to^j 
 know, anythii^ about it, or tlfai 
 they^ )yere nierely p^ve Ifii the . 
 ad^minis^ration . elf,,. it. |, tn' \|i^'^ 
 same sense children although 
 passive, are capable of'the >t)ene«j 
 f;^ of baptism, i:tgeneration .(and;' 
 salWipAr and, seeing th^ ' th^ ! 
 Apostles 1 received, a comnussioiai 
 ttygo teach anid baptiae the mh' 
 tionSj,' or a* it is in tht words df- 
 3t. Mark, ; '' I^reach tl>^ Qospel.tb'i 
 eivfliy • creatuveiJie; that balieveth^n . 
 &icij fieeine thalififthtv were- and t 
 site 0Lpm& tit thtef ijfcnefits^»0f' 
 hiy[)tism, ajod the Apo3tlie3 . v(p^l 
 received the commission < koew, 
 th^iffto'becapableof them,and toj 
 haye both drcunwitslon arid l^p-' 
 tiarn Ad»;»inist^refl' tptHein W tn^: 
 Jewish Church, . .how could ,they^ 
 imagine itom' the tenor of suchiat 
 cdmmiijsiott but that it-^was* 
 Chrisi'^ int6nttb^; tl^ajt' ch/jat^' 
 asMrelkae gTAi^t^ Pf^i^H^as w^^e ^i 
 bebaptieedj ifihouklGfOd in^e 
 days of David y)*- • Sotemon *ave' 
 
 calle^J, 4h';i^€^Yr;i^^j)h^^,>i^' 
 
 mutatis >f««/<w«',y,giyeBi«,thej»,th^, 
 saine"<t(iinilm6iin% whieh Ghrisi 
 gtiv^* 4«>«'hfe ApostleSf biddihe»< 
 
 thpm:/*/;G(j>; afld,t'ea^^;Airft^^ 
 
 tk« Iaw«.ffiucvi(hci6)ng>,«nd' blu- 
 ing them in the nameiif tbft God 
 
fhouJd,, 
 dicine, . 
 s; be- 
 callect.'^ 
 rtue of, J 
 elieve^^ 
 
 one of 
 ts 8ub-| 
 lildreh ^ 
 
 e wordj. 
 able tdjj 
 or tl^iai; 
 V» the! 
 
 Ithoiigh 
 e 'ben©*' 
 Dn >nd'' 
 
 I the Aft* ' 
 
 'ords 6f 
 ospelAd'i 
 
 rera'aad! 
 
 lefits^-of* 
 
 n knew, 
 n^andtoj 
 
 uldthey, 
 )f suchia^ 
 
 3d in die 
 nOn4iave 
 
 ijets,; ai^d; 
 
 :heirii,tli^, 
 
 bidding 
 
 llljhtitms 
 
 CONTROVSR^Y OiliJ^T^l^fJ. 
 
 »!. 
 
 of Abr«^hjw», ^od. teaching, thiep^ pliap^ (<?/!&?//) "children." In 
 
 to ;4p wMso^V^r he ha(jl cow^ Act^ x., 5, we re^of a^evoiif' 
 
 manded thepa," would a cpm^js-; | man,who|m Sf. iPet^r "baptised"' 
 
 sipfl 49 WQifded , be suftia,enjt [ witn ai\, his " chtld^n^n 'J {4<'-w. ) ' tn , 
 
 ai^9Ptor to exc^ifd^ the iniVi?jts 2nd tim. i.,, 15, and,iv., 19, aii'd'' 
 
 frqui, th« , jcoyeiiai^t ? I^o, thqy, . Rop. p j, 19, i i', w^, also find ' 
 
 cq^ id, ii9V leven ptr^n it ^0 pr^ H- mention nwi|^^ ojf thfe families ^or .' 
 
 dipt^ th^ /customary, right of some others, so that' we havfc 
 
 inff^n^ ,to circumcisioa , a^ eigjcf^, famifje^,.m,all, who wtfje 
 
 bayilVBIi^* The. fact js incpntro- baptised by th^ ,a!p6stles. Th^ ' 
 
 vefftjj^e (hat C/04 ^ever. di^ ent^r leqkur^r thc;n inquired if ' tSe op- ' 
 
 eigbit; dayf old* — Genesis xvu., 
 iiQ, ,Xhe wvpnafttiOf Mose^ 4^^ 
 thff , , ,s^me.^^^^t„ xxij(„ 10, . 
 h,ifA th^^New Te^^lmpnt,di4 t^,i 
 s^^, j^l^M i foT, ^he, intaj^t, w^ ^% 
 b^ iitf^Wdqd «wngi ihp pajW^a , 
 thaJ^,,>ii;<ye!,^} b0,,made d%ip|ps, 
 
 the, ^p9s^l?vgP,?^ oy^r a pw^o, 
 
 fi4,9f,th?,Jlpfar (il^pst, c^m? tq, hijij, uMp jjie, su^^f.— IjfaV 
 
 ejcppiwd the^ Cbnsljiaii, S9Y)?P^$ "V?f fftt J*? ^4?4' ",# '>*^®' 
 oi>,^^ 4ay,^jf ?^nt^p^,.l^ S?^4 
 
 tq, t^^,,?u;^:pr^, ^/WW?? naftpr, 
 
 t^W*. ''Thff pi;ww >s.,w?t9iy8H, 
 
 
 iQ^f es o^ reco/'d m the ..^^^^ 
 
 m W . mi ?.H w""' fern . 
 
 eny 
 children 
 
 cQinmis&koi 
 
 ■ ■■« ••Tr'i*''nnf'\'TT 
 
 ceived from Ch 
 19, 20) to include 
 
 they acted accordingly. Thus he enquired, can we 
 
 in Acts xvi., 15, we read of a the Apostles baptized 
 
 certain woman named Lydia, with their parents, when it is es- 
 
 whose heart the Lord opened tablished by a series of instances 
 
 that she attended to the things more numerous than can be 
 
 that were spoken of by St. Paul found in support of any other 
 
 and St. Luke informs us that she loctrine, principle or practice 
 
 was baptized and all her oikos down from Apostolic times, 
 
 children or household." In ist The word "oikos" denotes 
 
 Cor. i., 16, St. Paul declares that blood, lineage, progeny, children, 
 
 he baptized the "familf of Ste- according to all and every au- 
 
CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 thority. The ''oikof of Israel 
 means the children, (even to the 
 infant just bom) of Israel. The 
 house of David, the descendants 
 of David. The house ''oikof* 
 of Tudah, the progeny of Judah. 
 ''Oihs** says Aristole, "is a 
 companionship connected to- 
 gether according to thfe course 
 of nature." "The first social 
 connection" says Cicero " is the 
 conjugal, then that of children, 
 and these constitute an oikos. a 
 house or family." "I know 
 Abraham saith the Lord thiU he 
 will command his thiidren even 
 his **oiko^ after him." Indeed 
 we know of no one case either in 
 the Septuagint or the New Test- 
 ament, where offkos does not 
 mean children and for the most 
 part it means children exclu- 
 sively. The earliest and bM 
 version of the New Testament, 
 the Syriac says of Lydia 
 that "she was baptized with her 
 children." In relation to the oikos 
 of Stephanas that St Paul bap- 
 tized, lie gives us dearly to un- 
 derstand tmit they were infants. 
 Factions had spruhg up at Cor- 
 inth, one was for St. PAfll, an- 
 other for St. ApoUos, and a third 
 was for St. Peter. St Paul 
 rebukes ttiese disorders ; and he 
 
 ■ ''- i'.j^'V) jj'j\i ;(.ji,u , ■' Jih' 
 .-.'; >\ li n-vJivr ■uvAi-.i] ■! 
 Wynr.li^iii '!• ., ,.•) 
 
 0<I nfi> nuit c!i<.-. 
 
 \mn il. ii .; 
 
 shows 
 party 
 
 the absurdity of a Paul 
 in the church. He tells 
 theih that he had been crucified 
 for nobody, and that with his 
 own hands he had not baptised 
 any but Crispus and Gaius, who 
 do not seem to have taken the 
 general infection. And then 
 with a certain tardiness, as if he 
 were undecided as to whether 
 it would be worth while to men* 
 tion it, he adds "However I 
 baptized the **oikos,*^ family of 
 Stephanas," intimating that they 
 were hardly to be taken into 
 account, as they were not to 
 sufficient influence or age to be 
 much support to any party. At 
 fint he passes them altogefher "I 
 thank God I baptized none ot 
 you but CHspus and Gaius." 
 There is no explanation that can 
 be given except upon the ground 
 that these chudren of Stephanas 
 were mere infiutts, and for that 
 reason ouite out of the question 
 which tne Apostle had before 
 him. Thus the i^peaker proved 
 that the infiut children were in* 
 eluded in the apdstolic commis- 
 sion " to make disciples of the 
 nations by baptizing them^ and 
 that the aposUes diemsehres so 
 regarded it 
 
 \>J. >i 
 
 MX IKi ' 
 
 I 
 
 mc 
 
 or 
 
 ill 
 
 hisi 
 
 th( 
 
 if 
 
 ! 
 
'«^ 
 
 .Ufii 
 
 •9, 
 
 of ft Pftul 
 He tells 
 crucified 
 t with hit 
 itbftptiied 
 Gftiuft, who 
 '. taken the 
 And then 
 «, as if he 
 :o whether 
 lie to men* 
 lowever I 
 family of 
 g that they 
 taken into 
 nre not to 
 ■ age to be 
 pBrtT. At 
 together "I 
 sd none of 
 nd Gaius." 
 on that can 
 1 the ground 
 f Stephanas 
 md for that 
 the question 
 had before 
 aJcer proved 
 ren were in- 
 »Kc commis- 
 iples of the 
 ( them^and 
 lemsehres so 
 
 -■»•» /. -.r ,A*\ * I* * ' t t '/ 
 
 f # * » I • 
 
 tJ Um. 
 
 I . I i. .1 Iff.' I'Vffl^ 
 
 > 
 
 MR. HUTCHINSON'S SECOND LECTURE IN OBILLIA. 
 
 J w:),^i4^x;Ai jit 
 
 SUBJECT : — " The application of 
 Water to the ^ahjeett and not the 
 amplication of the Quhject to the 
 Water, the Divinely appointea mode 
 of adminUtering the bleited Sacra- 
 ment • 
 TBI RIV'd GlNTLIMAN OOm- 
 
 menoed his seoond looture by 
 saying that although he was 
 about to deliver a lecture on 
 the mode of baptism yet he re- 
 garded the manner in which a 
 thing was done as of very small 
 consequence in oomparison to 
 the thiog itiielf. It was a sin 
 of no small magnitude to reject 
 infants from baptism. It was 
 undoubtedly high treason 
 against the Son of God for any 
 man, or organised body of men, 
 to do so ; and he was fVee to 
 acknowledge, in the outset, that 
 although unscriptural yet im- 
 mersion was baptism, provided 
 it be performed in the church 
 and not out of it. Ho did this 
 from the fact that the word 
 baptise signified to wet — 
 whether that be performed by 
 sprinkling, pouring or immer- 
 sion. The church has always 
 acknowledged immersion as a 
 mode of baptism, and on that 
 or any other occasion, it would 
 ill become him to deny it. Bat 
 his lecture to-oight was upon 
 the mode practiced by the 
 Apostles of our Lord and the 
 Holy Ghodt himself, as written 
 
 for our learning in the New 
 Testament. He was then about 
 to show that according to the 
 authority of the New Testament 
 the water was to be applied, 
 to the subjects and not the sub- ' 
 jects to the water. This was 
 the subject proposed for his 
 second lecture. He would 
 therefore commence by givinjg^ 
 them the sense in which the' 
 the word was used in the Holy 
 Scriptures, as that certainly 
 would determine its meaning 
 to the sati»tH0tion of every 
 Christian. All, he said, must 
 acknowledge that the verb 
 baptizo, which is the disputed 
 word in this controversy, is 
 derived fVom the root bapto. 
 Carson the distinguished bap- 
 tist writer, says of bapto^ on 
 Eages 44 and 45 of his work on 
 aptiam, "that it signifies tO 
 dye by sprinkling as well as bv 
 dipping, and odds, that this 
 "is as literal as the primitiVe 
 meaning." The word ^o added 
 to baptOf or tzo, is uddod for the 
 sake of euphony, and oorros- 
 ponds with our English ise and 
 ish, which have most likely 
 taken their origin from it, 
 as blue, bluetah. Acooid- 
 ingly zo indicates a diminution 
 of the primitive word — thus, 
 bapto, to wet: baptizo,' to 
 sprinkle. For that which is 
 
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 29 
 
 CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 blackish is not quite black, he 
 who is womanish is not quite 
 a woman ; and the baptist, Dr. 
 Cannon, on the 23rd page of the 
 work referred to says "the deri- 
 vative cannot go beyond the 
 primitive" ; therefore baptizo 
 cannot go bejood bapto, and as 
 the fatter signifies to wet^ the 
 fprhier cannot go beyond that, 
 but must mean a jesser wetting, 
 l^he Rev^end speaker then 
 pijroceevied to examine the word 
 as found iu the Greek Septua- 
 eipt and the New Testament. 
 In fsiiiab ^11., 15» the prophet 
 df|c,i,arje8 of Christ, "So shall 
 be ^^inkh many nations," a 
 prc^hecv which would not be 
 true if Uie baptist system be 
 correct ; lor on tb«.i supposi- 
 tion q^r Lord never .>/\teoded 
 to crinkle a nation, ^f the 
 text rpean literal sprinkt'og io 
 bi^ptism, or if it mean spii ;ual 
 sbrinkjiojg, the meaning is pre 
 cisely the same in both cases, 
 the, J,aiter corresponding to the 
 form^^r. ThiSi the speaker said, 
 W|^ the,|]^ai^6age the Ethiopian 
 Trea6^rer was reading when 
 PUtip the Evangelist opened 
 hi§ moutb {tnd from the s^me 
 Scripture, preached unto him 
 Jesus, wWn this was being done, 
 an'd|tbe eunuch believed from 
 this prophecy that Jesus was 
 the Ohrist, he said, " here is 
 w^ieir^ W^i^t doth hinder me to 
 be baptized?" and according 
 to, the apnouncepsent of Ood 
 hiqiseif, , bis baptit»D| was per- 
 for-i^d by sprinkling, and not 
 by immeisioi). — Ezekiel xxzvi., 
 25.^ It is true in our verslQn 
 we read thM they went doiin 
 
 into the water and came up out 
 of the water, but as the baptism 
 took place after they went 
 down into the water and before 
 they came up out of the water, 
 the lecturer demanded how the 
 opposing gentleman found out 
 that the eunuch was immersed 
 in the water. No, there waa 
 no immersion to be found in 
 the passage. The word into 
 does not prove it, fur Christ is 
 said to have gone into a moun- 
 tain to pray-<-the Greek fire- 
 position translated into simpljr 
 signifying unto or to, but not 
 necessarily into; so also the 
 word rendered out o/the water 
 signifies no more then fromj 
 and nothing more can he made 
 out of it. He then said tbat 
 bapto does not; always mean an, 
 immersion, this the following 
 ins|)jred passages will demon- 
 strate.— In Dan. IV., 33, it ia 
 said of Nebuchadnezzar, that 
 he was haplizfid ebaphee (bap- 
 tized with) the dew of heaven ;" 
 surely not immersed with the 
 dew of heaven I And the saijae 
 expression occurs in, the 21st, 
 verse of the same chapter. In 
 Lev. XIV., 4 — 6, it is written 
 that a living bird, a pieoe of 
 cedar vcood, a bunch of hjffisop 
 and scarlet were baptized io t^ie 
 blood of a dead bird. To im-> 
 merse all these in the blood of a 
 dead bird be need not tell bis 
 audience was impossible! In. 
 Joshua III, 15, we read that 
 the priest!:)' feet were baptized 
 in the brim of the wa^era, of 
 Jordan, while at the same time 
 the mere touching of the vi^ater 
 with the pvieats feet oaifwd ii 
 
CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 *i 
 
 e up out 
 
 baptism 
 
 y went 
 
 d before 
 
 >e water, 
 
 bow the 
 
 )und out 
 
 ntnersod 
 
 lere waa 
 
 found in 
 
 ord into 
 
 brist is 
 
 a mouD- 
 
 eek jire- 
 
 simpljr 
 but not 
 
 also the 
 be water 
 en from, 
 he inad^ 
 aid t^at 
 mean aa 
 foUowing 
 
 1 derAoa- 
 33, it iM 
 
 v^r, that 
 *hee (bap- 
 beaveAj" 
 w.itl) the 
 
 tbe Mq»e 
 
 the 2l8t 
 l>ter. In 
 \ writtea 
 
 pi^e of 
 of hyssop 
 ed io t|ie 
 To im- 
 blood of a 
 )t tell bis 
 libie I In, 
 read that 
 
 baptized 
 vatora, of 
 ame time 
 bbe nviater 
 oauWKl U 
 
 iiBfStantly to shrink away, so as 
 to lea^ dty giround from shore 
 to Bhore. Not a shadow of im- 
 mersion do we here find in 
 lapto. We come now to most 
 sacred ground. Let us ap- 
 proach, the speaker said, with 
 reverence. Our Lord himself 
 uses the word whioh he em- 
 ployed in the commission. 
 J^sus aays, " he that baptized 
 (sm^opsat) his hand with me 
 in the dish the same shall be« 
 tray me." The dish referred 
 to must contain a fluid in order 
 that t^e act might be an im- 
 mersibn in it, but could any 
 person believe that the act of 
 dipping in the dish oould have 
 been immersion; and our Lord 
 cooffd not so have under8tf)od 
 it. In Rev. kz., 13, we read of 
 Ohrist; who is faithful and true, 
 ''and he was clothed with a 
 vesture bebarnenon (baptized) 
 in blood." The .figure is that 
 of a cooquorer from the field of 
 battle with his clothing stained 
 with tbe blood of his enemies, 
 and in the pa:4sagre allusion is 
 plainly made to Is. lziii., 2-3. 
 "Wherefbre art thou rod in 
 thitie apparel and thy garments 
 like him' that treadeth in the 
 wine'vat?" The conqueror of 
 hell replies, ''I have troddeh 
 the winepress alone, and of the 
 people there was none with 
 me'; for I will' tread them in 
 mine ang^r and trample them 
 in my fary^ and their blood 
 shall be sprinkled upon my 
 gar<itti6nt<<i, and I will stain all 
 my raiment" And Origon, 
 himself a <^reek, when citing 
 this^ paissage) givds^ tjie word 
 
 er^tismenon which id the 6i>Ml- 
 fie Greek word for spririklinlf: 
 This, the Reverend gentleman^ 
 said should settle the questida' 
 for ever. 
 
 He next referred to the bap- 
 tism of our blessed Savioui*, . 
 but expressed' his convictiod 
 that the gentlemen referrbd to 
 evidoDtly did riot much nrider^ 
 stand its import. At the ag<)" 
 of 30 it was his solemn induc- 
 tion into the priestly dffib^:' 
 For although not of the hou^ti 
 of Aaron, nor tbe tribe of h^in^ 
 St. Paul tolls us that Jesus stllK 
 was a Priest accordihg to a. 
 more ancient arid honorabltr or'' 
 dor than ever the ordbr of Aai^ri:^ 
 was— according to the order of 
 Melohizudeo — who aS toricbio^' 
 the registry of the nation wm 
 without descent, without fktheii' 
 or mother, without bogiriilini;^ 
 of days, or end of time, but 
 abiding like unto the Son of 
 God, a Priest coritinoally;' 
 That is, his fkther's riande, aS"" 
 such,his mother's name^as suoh;- 
 his birth, bis oonsecration, hi(i^ 
 death, — none of these thirif^' 
 were to be found in the rdcoW^'' 
 and therefore as touching th'<^7 
 registry book of the nation' h^*' 
 was without descent, witborit'^ 
 fathor or mother, &c., arid th'tt^ ' 
 he is represented as a type of 
 Jesud; who had aeither predO'^* 
 cesser nor sutecessor, as thW 
 great atoning High Priest of ' 
 our salvition. At the propeir' 
 aije for induction to bill priestly 
 office, Jesus appeared in thi6^''^ 
 presence of the Prophet, St'^^ 
 John the Baptist, in Beihabarai', ' 
 ue«t^ the^rivW Jbfdattj whi^''^ 
 
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 24 
 
 CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 John was baptizing, John iii., 
 26,— John I., 28, '<In Betba- 
 bara, beyond Jordan where 
 J9hn was baptizing;" and 
 John bare record saying: "I 
 saw the spirit descending from 
 heaven like a dove, and it abode 
 upon him, and I knew him 
 not ; but he that sent me to 
 baptize with water, the same 
 said unto me upon whom thou 
 shalt see the spirit desoeading 
 and remaining on Um the 
 same is he which baptizeth 
 with the Holy Ghost. And I 
 saw and brvre record that this 
 is the SoA of God." John 
 ii: 33, 34. Now in order 
 to understand all this it is 
 necessary to bear in mind that 
 by divine authority it became 
 the duty of the Prophet to con- 
 secrate the Priest. Thus the 
 Prophet Moses was command- 
 ed to consecrate Aaron and his 
 sons, and this was the manner 
 of the consecration. "Thou 
 shalt gprinkle the water of puri- 
 fying upon them." — Numbers 
 VIII., 7. According to this 
 righteous law our blessed Lord 
 approached the last but the 
 greatest of the Prophets, St. 
 John the Baptist; but John 
 said in his humility I have 
 need to be baptized of thee, and 
 comest thou to me ; but when 
 Jesus said, '* Suffer it to be so 
 DOW, for thus it becometh us to 
 ful^l all righteousness," then 
 he suffered him. The right- 
 oosness that J^sus referred to 
 was the righteous ordinance of 
 God's law, "Thou bhalt sprinkle 
 the water of purifying upon 
 them,"— Ex, xxz., 17j 18, 19. 
 
 The lecturer then went to show 
 that our blessed Lord took this 
 same view of the subject him- 
 self. For when the Scri bes aod 
 the Pharisees approached him 
 with the question "Tell us 
 by what authority thou doest 
 these things and who was it 
 that gave thee this authority ; 
 they simply asked the question 
 that they might sit in judgment 
 upon the authority under 
 which our blessed Lord acted. 
 If the authority was fa.umao it 
 was religiously goxl for noth- 
 ing; if divine, they wanted to 
 know it But what did Jesus 
 say ? Did he tell them he had 
 a spiritual call to the priesthood 
 that nobody but himself could 
 tell anything about? No, 
 nothing of that. He immedi-> 
 ately responds, " The Baptism 
 of John, was it from heaven or of 
 men? — Answer roe and I will 
 tell you by what authority I do 
 these things." Was it of heav- 
 en or of men? Had St. John 
 the Baptist divine or had he 
 human authority only? and 
 they reasoned correctly. If 
 we shall say from heaven-r- 
 that is that he had divine auth- 
 ority — he will say, why then 
 did ye not believe hi in; but if 
 we shall say of men — that is 
 that he had no divine authority 
 — we fear the people, for every- 
 one regarded St. John the Bap- 
 tistas a Prophet.-M»rkzi,27<ji3. 
 Thus our blessed Lord Bustain- 1 
 ed his priesthood so that Sti; 
 Paul oould truly declare <vWe 
 have such an high priest as be- 
 came us — Jesus the .Son of Clod 
 who is passed into tho, h^ftvena/ 
 
 Si I 
 
CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 ent to show 
 'd took this 
 abject him- 
 Scribesaod 
 ached him 
 
 "Tell us 
 thou does! 
 ho was it 
 
 authority ; 
 ,he question 
 njudgmeat 
 ity under 
 Lord acted. 
 s human it 
 \ for noth- 
 
 ^^nted to 
 tdid Jesus 
 bemfae had 
 a priesthood 
 nself could 
 K)ut? No, 
 le immedit 
 *be Baptism 
 beaTen or of 
 i and I will 
 ithority I do 
 a it of heav- 
 Lad St. John 
 
 or had he 
 
 only? and 
 •rectly. If 
 n heaven- — 
 divine auth- 
 r, why then 
 I hiBfiJ but if 
 nen — that: is 
 ne authority 
 le, for overy- 
 [)hn the Bap* 
 [ftrkzi,27.^. 
 jord sustain- 
 
 so that St. 
 eclare "We 
 priest as be- 
 e.Sonof dod 
 ho h^ftvens,' 
 
 From the above related facts 
 the speaker proceeded to show 
 that John baptized in Beth- 
 blira, east of the river Jordan, 
 and in the valley of the Jordan- 
 John I., 28. That Jesus was 
 most probably baptized with 
 the water of the Jordan, by 
 sprinkling is made still more 
 evident from the words "Thou 
 shalt sprinkle the water of puri- 
 fying upon them." He was 
 baptized by the Holy Ghost at 
 the same time, and the mode 
 was, that the spirit descended 
 and remained on him." St. 
 John says "I saw the spirit 
 descending fVom heaven like a 
 dove and it abode upon him." — 
 John I., 32. He was not appli- 
 ed to the Spirit, or plunged into 
 the form of the dove, but the 
 Spirit was applied to him in 
 the same' manner as the water 
 was applied to his person in 
 the divine ordinance. Thus 
 Jesus himself says " John in- 
 deed baptized with water, but 
 ye shall be baptized with .the 
 Holy Ghost not many days 
 hence." And the evaogelist 
 faithfully records the fulfil- 
 ment of that promise. "And it 
 (the spirit) fell upon them even 
 as on us nt the beginning, then 
 remembered I the words of the 
 Lord how he said John bap- 
 tized with water, but ye shall 
 be baptized with the Holy 
 Ghost," note then that "it fell 
 upon thetn even as on us at 
 the beginning." 
 
 Again the Holy Ghost him- 
 self, in Isb Cor. xii., 14, is pre- 
 ECDted as a baptizer, " For by 
 onetpirit are we all baptized." 
 
 Is the Holy Ghost an imraer- 
 ser ? No ; the Holy Ghost 
 is a sanctifier and purifier, 
 Ezekiel: xxxvii., 28, Bevel- 
 atioD XV., 16, Ist Peter i., 2, 
 and in a relijgtous sense bap- 
 tism means a purification. The 
 Beverend Lecturer then said, 
 let us look for a moment at 
 what is said of the baptism of 
 the Holy Ghost, and of t he- 
 mode of action by which this 
 baptism is effected. St. John's 
 testimony concerning Jesus 
 was, "He shall baptize you 
 with the Holy Ghost and with' 
 fire." Jesus himself promised 
 his dinciples that he would send 
 the promise of bis Father upon 
 them, and said, " tarry ye in 
 tlie city until ye be endued 
 with power from on high "— 
 ^'Ye shall be baptized wi*.h the 
 Holy Ghost not many di^ys 
 hence," Luke xxiv., 49, Acts 
 1., 5. Here was a sacred pro- 
 phecy the fulfilment of which « 
 has been recorded by the pen "■ 
 of inspiration. /This baptism 
 was to occur not many days 
 after Christ's ascension. All) 
 agree that ft took place on the ; 
 day of Pentecost. There was, i 
 on that day, a great divine 
 baptism, and how was it 
 perforired ? The attempts 
 of Baptists to answer this 
 question have produced some 
 rich specimens of Biblical 
 interpretation. Dr. Carson 
 tolls us the disciples were im- 
 mersed into the Holy Spirit, 
 they were literally covered with' ' 
 wind and fire, completely, cov J 
 ered with the emblems of the 
 Spirit, (page 107). Just te 
 
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 CONXROYEBSY ON BAJnUSM. 
 
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 1 k' * 
 
 
 ♦Hit 
 
 
 tbiok of the disciples buried in 
 Um) af)pefiraiioe of wind! How 
 aeoMibiol Hpw easy of appre- 
 hemiion ! Another tells us 
 they were immersed in 9Jgnifi« 
 oapt Boundl I and that tlie word 
 ekeheo, poured out is used to 
 denote the supeit-ahundance 
 and not to express the manner. 
 Br. Fuller of Baltimore, on 
 Baptiam, (page 85)» says there 
 was ai real baptism here. Id 
 what, we ask ? He says Jesus 
 CQoiparea the Spirit to wind, 
 and thfut on ibat day suddenly 
 there came a sound from beav> 
 en» «a of a rushing mighty 
 Wind aod it filled all the house 
 whens they were silting." He 
 gravely tells his readers that 
 theidtsoiples were immersed In 
 wind i Bat hdlb was it with the 
 fir4i St. John said that Gbrint 
 woi)^ baptize with fire, and 
 this/ was the literal fulfil- 
 menit of it. Were, the disci plen 
 immersed in cloven tongues of 
 flame? Hark, the whole bap- 
 tist world is silent as, the Rrave. 
 No aoswer has been attempted. 
 Th*re stirs not even the ap- 
 peavaooe of wind among tberai, 
 Let us, the* Speaker said, turn 
 from them to the inspired ac- 
 count of the transaotion "And 
 whan the day of Pentecost was. 
 fully come^ suddenly: there 
 cam6' a sound from heaven; 
 and tbete appeared unto them 
 cloTMiit tongu9s like a» of fire, 
 and lit^aat upon eaoh of them, 
 and they weve filled withi the 
 Holy Ghost," Acts u., 2.; St. 
 Peion sf^a of Cornelius and 
 bii, friejidt» '< the lioly (rhost, 
 fell outthi^m 9^jm u^ »(« th^ibflr 
 
 ginning," Acts x., 44; €hdl 
 gave them the Holy Ghoel eum 
 as he did mio w. Sti Johni 
 says ''I saw the Spirit descend- 
 ing from heaven like a dove 
 and it abode upon him," Johni 
 I., 82. St. Peter says of this, 
 baptismof Pentecost, thisii'that 
 which was spoken of by the 
 prophet Joel, '<I will pour out 
 my spirit." Jesus having: re«- 
 ceived of the Father, the pro* 
 mise of the Holy Ghost hath 
 thed forth this which ye now 
 see and bear," Acts ii., 32^ 
 33. St. Peter and /St^ Jobni; 
 "prayed for the people oft- 
 Samaria that tJhey might ren 
 ceive the Holy Ghost ; for air 
 yet he kadi fallen upon nonel. 
 of them," Acts Tii^, 16, IQ... 
 " God anointed Jesu» of Nacr , 
 areth with the Holy Ghoelv"^. 
 Acto X., 38. "While Peter yet 
 spake the Holy Ghost /«^ on alb 
 then which heard the; word». ; 
 aod they of the circumcisiool. 
 were astonished, because oa:> 
 the Gentiles also was poured, 
 out the gift of the Holy Ghost^'^ ' 
 Acts X., 44,45. St. Paul speaks, 
 of the Holy Ghost whiob ha:i 
 shed on VLs," Titus. III., 6t St. m 
 PetAr speakS' of the firat^liev^i \ 
 songers as "having praacbedn 
 the gospel wilhthei HolyGboat/t 
 sent down from heaven," Ij 
 Peter I., 12, and in Epi i, 13» 
 we have the phrase, ^'sealsdwitko 
 the Holy Spirit," Now we arflT> 
 gravely remined by our opposrir 
 ing friends that th'ta falliimtKd&i 
 scmdi^gi pouring out vpon^ shedr 
 ding fortKx falling upon, denoted'* 
 one thing, bat the rBSttlts<> 
 thdrfiof anothee things Wifti , 
 
 Ifh^ 
 
 \^ 
 
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 COinHOVSRSV OK BAPTISM. 
 
 ii 
 
 Johm 
 leacendr 
 
 dove 
 
 JoboV 
 of thiSi 
 ait'that 
 Dy tUo 
 our out- 
 ing, ra* 
 be pro* 
 «t bath 
 ye na« 
 ii., 32^/ 
 L Jobni: 
 aple oft 
 igbt v<N 
 ; for ait 
 m nonal 
 IB, la. 
 
 of Ma^ 
 Gho«t," 
 >et0r y«t 
 ftUon »ll' 
 he; word» 
 amcisiool 
 jauae oa:i 
 B poured 
 
 yGho«V' 
 ,ul speaks I 
 
 ebiob ha:i 
 ;., 6t St. 1 
 first ^e»- ; 
 preacbed.f. 
 oly Gboat- 
 daven," 1' 
 Epi I, 13» 
 
 m we ta6r 
 oar oppoflr 
 
 upon^ akair 
 ft, denoted' 
 le rofettlto!' 
 ingj W(<ii > 
 
 af^ Ki/T^ tlKiit tfa6 ipOiifing did 
 tidt conatitute the 'Daptism bat 
 tibe oonseqaence of tbe pouring. 
 Vefy w^l if oiir opponents can 
 ibafce aoytbrng oat of tbat they 
 Are qaite welcon.e to it. JBat 
 tbe pouring out or shedding forth 
 gives the mode of the baptism. 
 There it is, tbe Reverend Lee- 
 ttii^r said. God's own Spirit 
 says It ; and God's own Spirit 
 knows it was done. We have 
 been frequently told that this 
 pouting was a figure ; bat of 
 vhat ? It was not a figure of 
 the Spirit. It was not the 
 fit^tire of any quality of the 
 Spirit. If a figure of anything 
 it tntlBt be of some actibn. It 
 mofst figure motion ; and that 
 motibo is the coming down of 
 tbtj baptising element upon tbe 
 subject. Make that Element 
 Bouiiti, or make it wind or 
 make it fire, or let it be water 
 the present outward sign, it is 
 tbe same ; this hdptitm, was by 
 pout^g upon, by shedding forth, 
 the ihode was affusion. It is 
 not true that there was any 
 wind in (his baptism, or any 
 appearance of wind and sound. 
 A souttd there surely was, but 
 tbe sound was not tbe Spirit. 
 It Was only the indication of 
 tbe Spirit's approach. The 
 sensible form which the Holy 
 Gbost assuircd on that occasion 
 wa6 cloven tongues like as of 
 fire' and it sat upon each of 
 thetA. There was a shower of 
 flame like flalces alighting upon 
 the beads of tbe favored ones 
 symbolizing tbe light, and pur- 
 ifying power and heavenly in- 
 Bpii^atiobB that ii&d been pourtd 
 
 out into thetl^ #iiiain^ '«dtfli 
 And this was e/i« baptiiim df tlt^' 
 Holy Ghost, and how far i'ffiWi4r- 
 £ion corresponds with it, it w'aiaf 
 for us to judge. Adrhft etery 
 thing that immersion ists cUita' 
 in connection with these pki^s^ 
 ages, and the mode still remailiB 
 the same and refuses to yield. 
 The Holy Ghost fell on tbeth, 
 the Spirit was poured oUt^^t 
 descended from beaveta. iFis 
 perfectly useless for our oppbti-' 
 ents to try for they cannot find' 
 immersion here. Immersion 
 as the exclusive mod^ Of B^'- 
 tism does not harmonii^e With 
 the Holy Stjriptttres. HoW 
 shocking would De the reading 
 as the following will show, "It 
 will immerse out my spirit Up!. ' 
 on all flesh," "I saw the Spirit' 
 immersing from heaven like a 
 dove," "Jesus hath inmerSed 
 forth this which you see and 
 hear." "As yet the Holy Ghdst 
 had immersed upon none of 
 them," "On the Gentiles wad', 
 immersed out the gift of the 
 Holy Ghost," "The HolyOho&t^ 
 whieh he immersed on us," '. 
 "The Holy Ghost itti'ra'erBed'J 
 down from heaven." H0#'^ 
 shocking would be such re'Ad- 
 ing ; and the whole difficulty 
 lies in this, that the Holy 
 Scripture contemplates the api,'^ 
 plication of the bttptismal ele-'^ 
 ment to the sabjcct of buptiso), 
 and not the subject to the ele- 
 ment. 
 
 Tho reverend gentleihilta 
 then referred to the several 
 oases of baptism where itaimCr- 
 sion was out of tbe question. < 
 St. BauI's baptism in la sicft' 
 
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 COKTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 ■8 
 
 I 
 
 w 
 
 III 
 
 I 
 
 chamber, and tho Fhillippiao 
 Jailor's baptism, baptized in 
 the middle of the night, and in 
 the Jail. But the objection 
 anticipated was, " are we not 
 buried with Christ by baptism, 
 and how could a person be bur- 
 ied by sprinkling?" We will 
 read the passage, "Know ye 
 not that 80 many of us as were 
 baptized into Jesus Christ weie 
 baptized into his death, there- 
 fore we are buried with him 
 by baptism into decth." The 
 verb in ourtranslalion is in the 
 imperfect tense, in the origioal 
 it denotes past time also. Now 
 in this a difficulty in the vay 
 of immersionists occur. The 
 Apostle does not say that we 
 are baptized into Christ's burial 
 at all, but into his death, and as 
 Christ's burial was subsequent 
 to his death, so our burial is 
 subsequent to our baptism. — 
 The fact is St. Paul in tho 
 passage is not speaking of the 
 mode of baptism at all, but of 
 the power of baptism in the 
 mortifying of sin, according to 
 the holy covenant. But grant- 
 ing the full value of the burial 
 to tho gentlemen, can they 
 draw immersion from it? 
 most surely not There vrfxa 
 no immersion either in the 
 Oriental burials or our own. 
 How do burials take pluce in 
 our day ? Not by immersing 
 the corpse through the earth, 
 but it is effected by the directlv 
 opposite means. Thus, as the 
 water is taken from the fount 
 so the clay is taken from the 
 grave, and as the water thus 
 taken is applied to the child, 
 
 so the clay is Bprink1e4 firnt 
 upon the coffin ; the clay is ap- 
 plied to the subject and not 
 the subject to the clay, and 
 this process is continued until 
 the body is buried. Indeed so 
 little ground have our oppon> 
 ents to stand on, that we are 
 lost in astonishment that they 
 do not see their sin, and repent 
 themselves in dust and ashes 
 before God and His holy 
 church, whom they have so 
 repeatedly misrepresented and 
 insulted. 4^^ 
 
 MB. TORRANCE'S REPLY TO 
 LECTURE NO. 2. 
 
 The Lecturer took occasion 
 before entering upon his sub- 
 ject as announced, to reply to 
 some remarks that Mr. Hutch- 
 inson had made on the previous 
 evening, after his (Mr. H's) 
 lecture. Mr. Hutchinson bad 
 dared anyone to deny that pro- 
 selyte baptism had existed 
 prior to the Christian Era. 
 Mr. Torrance did dare to deny 
 it, and quoted extracts from 
 Wilson, Stuart and Kitto, to , 
 show that there was no sure 
 historical evidence to prove 
 that proselyte baptism existed 
 before the time of Christ. Mr. 
 Torrance replied at some length 
 to Mr. Hutchinson's statement 
 that baptism takes tho place ot > 
 circumcision, and asked, "Why, 
 if such were the case, did the 
 Apostles take such pains to try 
 to arrive at some conclusion on 
 the matter of circumcision; 
 even writing a letter to the 
 brethren in Anlioch and other 
 places on this very subject, and 
 
 :!' ,j 
 
a8 
 
 c1e4 first 
 
 ay is ap- 
 
 and not 
 
 lay, and 
 
 led until 
 
 ndeed so 
 
 ir oppon- 
 
 we are 
 
 hat they 
 
 id repent 
 
 nd ashes 
 
 lis holy 
 
 have so 
 
 inted and 
 
 . ■,■■ .■. ' i 
 PLY TO 
 2. 
 
 occasion 
 his sub- 
 reply to 
 r. Hutch- 
 B previous 
 Mr. H's) 
 Inson bad 
 r that pro- 
 i exiHted 
 tian Era. 
 i-e to deoy 
 acts from 
 Kitto, to 
 \» DO sure 
 to prove 
 m existed 
 rist. Mr. 
 me length i 
 statement 
 ko place ot 
 ed, "Why, 
 ), did the 
 uns to try 
 olusion on 
 Ml mcision; 
 ,er to the 
 and other 
 ibjeot, and 
 
 CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 29 
 
 yet throughout the whole con- 
 troversy not one word is said 
 about baptieiin taking the place 
 of circumcision?" 
 
 Mr. Hutchinson, who occu- 
 pied a seat on the platform, 
 rose to order. The gentleman 
 was not replying to his lecture 
 on the mode of baptism. 
 
 Mr. Torrance claimed the 
 right in his own meeting of 
 delivering his lecture io his own 
 way. Mr. Hutchinson, he said, 
 had spoken without interrup- 
 tion for one hour on the pre- 
 vious evuoiog. The lecturer 
 replied to one or two more of 
 Mr. Hutchinson's statements, 
 and then proceeded to the task 
 of replying to the lecture on 
 the mode of baptism. 
 
 The lecturer said we now 
 come to the subject of the mode 
 of baptism. We object to that 
 wa}' of stating the question. 
 If wq speak of pouring, sprink- 
 ling or immersing as different 
 baptisms, it is booausu we do 
 not rightly understand the sub- 
 ject. We prefer Wilson's defin- 
 ition of tne meaning of bap- 
 tism. He says " the verb bap- 
 tise is not tied to any exoluHivo 
 mode. In baptism it is in- 
 tiju-'jd that the baptizing ele- 
 ment nhonld oncompotss its 
 object, and in the cose of 
 liquids it doo.s not matter 
 whether this relative state is 
 produced by immersion or atjy 
 other mode." "With this prin- 
 ciple I fully agree. The ques- 
 tion of n.ode hOH only to do 
 with how the subject shall bo 
 encompassed Of course you 
 can immerse either by dipping 
 
 or by pouring on till covered. 
 The act of baptism is to have 
 the subject encompassed. The 
 act of Baptism is to have the 
 subject encompassed or sur- 
 rounded in the element, and the 
 question of mode has only to 
 do with how that end shall be 
 accomplished. Mr. Hutchinson 
 in the title of his lecture pro- 
 raised to prove that the appli- 
 cation of the water to the sub- 
 ject and not the subject to the 
 water, was the divinely ap- 
 pointed mode ; yet he admitted 
 that immersion was an honor- 
 able mode of baptism, and 
 there was no special sin in 
 that mode. He says that God's 
 command is to apply water to 
 the subject. I don't do that 
 It must bo contrary to God's 
 command, and yet I am told it 
 is no sin. We will now con- 
 sider the passages of Scriptttr« 
 adduced by the lecturer in sup-, 
 port of sprinkling. The first 
 IS in Isaiah lii., *' So shall he 
 sprinkle many nations." We 
 wore told this expression occurs 
 in connection with the words 
 the Eunuch was reading, just 
 before Philip baptised him. 
 Wc admit the pasaatges are 
 near together, one being at 
 the end of the 52d chapter, and 
 the other in the 53rd, but the 
 Eunuch's prophecy of Isaiah . 
 WHS in a continuous roll, the 
 division of the Bible into ohap- 
 icrs being of comparatively 
 modern date. But I would 
 oa'l the gentleman's attention 
 to the fact that it is doubted if 
 this is a correct transla.tion of 
 the passage. Geseneus says 
 
,\o 
 
 CONTROVERSY ON liAP'lISM. 
 
 lililli 
 
 ill: 
 
 the word 8[»riiikle moans to 
 loap for joy, to Hpring, and tho 
 pannage, accord I tig to him, 
 should road " So whall he oauHO 
 niuny nations to rojoico in 
 him.' Tho Sepiuagont version 
 is '* Ho shall he rejoice many 
 nations." Aibort BarnoH says 
 of the passage that "it liir- 
 nishoH no argument tor the 
 practice of sprinkling in bap- 
 tism." So you bee these learn- 
 ed paodo- baptist authors claim 
 no support from this 'passngo. 
 The ri<ixt passage considered 
 was Bzekiel xxxvi., 25, "Then 
 will I sprinkle clean water 
 upon you and you shall he 
 clean." If the lecturer in'sis ted 
 upon a literal application of 
 this passage, 1 might also ask 
 if that passage is to be taken 
 literally that speaks of a 
 " heart of stone." If the one 
 is why should not tho other? 
 To whom does this passage 
 refer ? It refers to the return 
 of the Israelites to their own 
 laud, and if (irod did literally 
 sprinkle them is that any rea- 
 son why we should be sprinkled 
 in baptiHm ? He surely oiily 
 produced this passage because it 
 contained the words "sprinkle" 
 and "water." D<. Guthrie in 
 his book "The G-ospei in Ezo- 
 kiol" gives a ^ermon on this 
 very text', (page 256). He 
 there clearly shows that ho be- 
 lieves the water of the t(»xt to 
 be the water of purifying, used 
 by the Jews in thoir religious 
 obeervanoes. This water is 
 obtained b3' mixing the ashes 
 and blood of a red heifer with 
 water — typical of the atoning 
 
 blood of Jesus — but having no^ 
 roforonco whatever to baptism." 
 Then tho case of the Eunuch '' 
 was introduced. The first im- 
 portant (j^uostion that was asked 
 in this connftxiou was, why did 
 the tianuch say, " See here is 
 water what doth hindo»- mo to 
 be baptized ?" We arc told 
 that ol course he had just been 
 reading tho passage in Isaiah," 
 about sprinkling, and that is' 
 why ho spoke of the ' water. ' 
 Just look at tho Scriptural ac '| 
 c<mnt and see if it agrees with 
 this statomeut. Philip found 
 tho Eunuch readi(\'g the pas 
 sage " Ho was od as a shcop lo-' 
 the slaughter,'! «!kc.', smd took 
 that passage 'as a text and 
 preached jesris to him. Tho 
 lecturer told us that Philip fiad 
 been preaching to hi(r\, that'' 
 there was iVQ obtaining the" 
 biossing of this everlasting 
 covenant utitil he was in it,.and 
 therefore the Eunuch sought 
 the seal of the covenant, bap*-" 
 tisui. Mr. Hutchinson gets 
 over the ."^taton^out that he be- 
 lieved before he was baptiztfdj"' 
 by saying that ho just merely * 
 believed that Jesus was the 
 Christ, but ho had not that 
 faith which saves, jis this can- 
 not be obtained outside the' 
 covenant. But Philip had paid 
 •' If thou bolievest with all thine 
 heart Vrum may'st ;" ♦ With tho 
 heart, man bclievtith uot^'? 
 righteousness." — The KuljQoh;' 
 was iiot born again in his bapS-V* 
 tism but before it, Philip ba|)-* 
 tised him because ho boliovoil 
 with all his heart. ••:'<•".'''•'" 
 
 But Mr. ' Hutchinson" woulci'" 
 
 li 
 
CONTROVKRSY ON KAl'llSM. 
 
 31 
 
 b^ 
 
 i?ing no 
 aptiHin. 
 Euimoh 
 ii'rit im- 
 iH askod 
 vhy (iid 
 here is 
 1- mo to 
 irp told 
 jHt boeii 
 1 Itsniah 
 that is 
 ) ' water. 
 ;ural ac '' 
 3eM with ' 
 l> found 
 the pas 
 heop to- 
 ld took 
 ixi and 
 n. The 
 ilip hud 
 in, that 
 ling the" 
 irhistiiig' 
 u it, .and 
 
 •lidught 
 int, hap- 
 on gets 
 ,t ho be- 
 wptizOd^ ' 
 
 morel y 
 was the 
 lot that 
 thin ctio- 
 iide the 
 had ^aid 
 I all tiling 
 With tho 
 th nnto 
 
 Kuiitttjli 
 
 his bap- 
 
 lilip bap- 
 
 boliovod 
 
 hiivo urt bolicve that Philip did 
 not immorso tho Euniu'h, but 
 sprinkled him. When they 
 both wont into tho water was 
 that applying tho water to the 
 subject? He also endeavored 
 to throw doubts as to whether 
 there was asufficioncy of water 
 here for immersion. In regard 
 tf) thia 1 would direct you to 
 Thomson's " Land and the 
 Book" page 615, where he 
 luon lions having visited the 
 placo, as near as he could 
 judge, whore the Eunuch was 
 baptized, and he says of it, 
 "There is a fine stream of water 
 (loop enough even in June, to 
 satisfy tho wishes of our bap- 
 list friends." In regard to the 
 ul)joction, that there were no 
 facilities for immersion in Jer- 
 usalonj. I would inform you 
 that Thomson has told us (page 
 <)5(5 }' that in tho apostolic times 
 overy house was provided with 
 one or more ciHlerns, and th<3re 
 wore also -the diflFeront pools 
 which we road about. During 
 the long sieges which the cit}- 
 sustainod many died of hunger 
 but none of thirst. Wo come 
 now to tho discussion we had 
 about whether thoy went into 
 tho water or not. Our version 
 ot the Bible which was not 
 translated by Baptists says 
 thoy wont " into " and came 
 " out of" tho water. . Dean 
 Altrod — a distinguished scholar 
 in Mr. Hutchinson's own Church 
 — translates the passage under 
 discussion, and also the one 
 about the Saviour's baptism, 
 exactly as thoy are in the accept 
 od vorsiii/i. Thoy wont into ;ind 
 
 came out of tho water. Wo 
 wore then treated to u mean- 
 ing of the Greek " baptidzo." 
 The s|)oakor said it meant pri- 
 marily to vvash. KobiDson in 
 his Lexicon <)f the Now Testa- 
 ment says it means primarily 
 " to dip in, to sink in, to im- 
 meree." The definition in 
 Greenfields Lexicon agrees 
 with this. Lexicographers 
 tells us that the addition of 
 " zo" or " idzo" in Greek, has 
 tho same significance as " ish" . 
 in English as " woman" " wo- 
 manish," Does this mean some- 
 thing loss than a woman, 
 Wilson, who, it must be re- 
 membered is a standard autho- 
 rity amorg those opposed to 
 believers baptism, says of the 
 argument used by Mr. Hutch- 
 son " This kind of criticism 
 has had its day." Tho pas- 
 sage in Leviticus xiv., 6, was 
 brought forward to prove that , 
 tho application of the water to 
 tho subject was the right mQde. 
 floro wo have an instance of a 
 l)ird l)eing killed, the blood 
 caught in a vessel, and a living 
 biid of the same kind dipped 
 in the blood of the dpad one. 
 " How," Mr. Hutchinson a^ks, 
 " could tho living bird be total- 
 ly immersed in the blood of 
 the dead one ? It could only . 
 have been partially d|pped." 
 Well supposing such to be the 
 case would that prove your 
 point? Would that bo applying 
 tho element to the subject ? Re 
 will admit that the term "run-' 
 irig water" simply moans "liv 
 ing water" or pure water. Tho 
 blood of the bird was caught 
 
3» 
 
 CONTROVERSY ON IIAPTISM. 
 
 in a voHsol oontniiiing thio puro 
 water, and then tho bird was 
 iramersod in this water of puri- 
 fying. Gathric — not a baptist 
 author — gives a graphic ac 
 count of the ceremony record- 
 ed in this vofKO, and concludes 
 by saying •' tho living b'.rd is 
 dipped, head, wings, foot, and 
 feathers into the blood-dyed 
 water." Wo pass on in tho 
 next place to notice tho words 
 in the Revelation xix , 13. 
 " He was clothed with a ves- 
 ture dipped in blood." Tho 
 lecturer said the sentence 
 should read "a vesture stained 
 with blood." Dean Alford ren- 
 ders this pass^e " Dipped in 
 blood." Mr. Hutchinson will 
 not impeach his authority. 
 [Mr. Torrance then quoted 
 from other authors and at Mr. 
 Huichinson's request gave tho 
 sentence in Greek]. Mr. 
 Hutchinson told us that in the 
 Levitical priesthood, the priests 
 were sprinkled with water of 
 purifying. ^ill he toll me 
 where there ia a passage to 
 that effect as I cannot find it ? 
 The water of purifying was 
 composed of the ashes of a rod 
 heifer sprinkled in water. 
 
 Mb. Hutchinson. — Whore is 
 that in the Word of God ? 
 
 Mr. Tobranoe — In Numbers 
 XIX., 19. I take tho position 
 that there is not an instance in 
 the whole of the Pentateuch, 
 in connection with the Levi- 
 tical law, where pure water 
 alone is use for purifying, it is 
 
 always cither water and blood 
 or ashes and both. Ho told us 
 ho did not think Christ was 
 baptised in Jordan, because in 
 John's Gosuol it says John was 
 baptizing in Bathabara beyond 
 Jordan. Beyond JordanJ^sim- 
 ply means ** on the other side" 
 of Jordan. The,; very name 
 Bathabara means *<tho place 
 of a ford." Matthow and Mark 
 distinctly slate that Christ was 
 bitp|,ized in Jordan. Then, we 
 wore brought to tho subject of 
 the baptism of tho Spirit. The 
 apostles wore encompassed in 
 the element. Thus fulfilling 
 the conditions of baptism that 
 Wilson lays down. Tho text 
 f.om which Poter proaiched on 
 that day commeuced with the 
 words "I will pour out my 
 Spirit." Prom this the Speaker 
 concluded that pouring was tho 
 proper mode of baptism. But 
 wo have shown that the grai.d 
 point is to encompass whether 
 by dipping or pouring on. The 
 house whore thoy wore sitting 
 was filled with the Holy Ghost, 
 They were thus surrounded and 
 entirely overwhelmed with the 
 influence of the Spirit. Mr. H. 
 told us that> Paul coulds not 
 have been baptized because ho 
 was in (his sick ohambor. ^^ T 
 cannot find any such slatoment 
 in tho word of God. Wo aro 
 led to infer that females ate of 
 the pasHovor from tho use of 
 tho word " household," in Exo- 
 dus XII., 3. 
 
 
<l 
 
 CONTRVVKRSY ON HAI'IISM. 
 
 REMARKS ON THE KEPLY OF MU. TORRANCE TO 
 ,fM.ri -,;.;.^UR LECTURES IN ORILLIA. 
 
 33 
 
 We have thoH far given the , matters not whether this slato 
 speeches of Mr. Jiio. Torrance, is produced by ioimorHJon or 
 
 as delivered against oar lectures 
 in Orillia, and as reported by 
 his own, a Baptist reporter, aad 
 on reading over the speocliea 
 uttetttively, our ruadern will 
 renUily perceive that our Bap- 
 tist fnend* huvu rcully no arga- 
 ments to sustain their unohris- 
 tian CAUtte, ur to excuse thorn- 
 selves in ti'ieir >iiniul and schis- 
 innticai orguoizatioiM aud pitic- 
 tiees. 
 
 We need not remind our 
 readers that every point refer- 
 ed to, in this lecture of Mr 
 
 any other mode," The word 
 " immerse" is un active verb; 
 and, and means to plunge into 
 the element-^HO that the cele- 
 brated Baptist, Gnrsonj in hU 
 work, so often referred to, says 
 that if all the water in the ocean 
 was poured upon a person — the 
 mode would still bo wanting, 
 he would not be immersed in it; 
 so that when Mr. Torrajice tells 
 us, as he does in his second lec- 
 ture, " of course you can im- 
 merse either by dipping or 
 pouring," he is plainly told by 
 
 Torraiioe, h»s bejen clearly the leaders of the Baptist sect 
 
 unoiu;h replied to in our second that he is mistaken, for that 
 
 lecture. In the very beginning this is impossible. He talks 
 
 of . the gentleman'^ speeoh, he about the baptising clement on- 
 
 frankly gives up the Baptist compassing the person to be 
 
 argument that baptizo means baptized. The eon-esponding 
 
 exclusively to dip or immerse — part to water baptism is the 
 
 for he says '^ the verb taptizo baptism of the Holy Qhost. 
 
 is Bot iiod to any exclusive Let us examine. the statement 
 
 mode." Thai is just what we just made b}' the geotleman 
 
 say, Hod as there the contro- and see how far it agrees with 
 
 versy naturally ended, we need the account given in the Holy 
 
 no longer be surprised that the Scriptures. At our Lord's 
 
 gentleman did not appear on baptism, the Holy S|)irit do- 
 
 the platform on the last night cended in a bodily shape, like 
 
 of the discussion, according to a dove : was our blossed Lord 
 
 his own announcement by tel- plunged into the dove, as 
 
 ograro. His convictions were did the dove encompass his- 
 
 to him of an overwhelming person ? or did it merely restf 
 
 character, viE., that overwhelm- on his sucred forehead? Al'-' 
 
 ing the subject in the bapiismal though, in the controversy, we 
 
 elemeet was not the diviuely repeatedly asked these ques- 
 
 appoioted mode of baptism, tions to the gentleman, yet in 
 
 "It will do," he says "if the relation to thom, he found it 
 
 baptising element encompasses very convenient to bo just as 
 
 the object," and he adds, " it silent as the grave itselX. Then 
 
34 
 
 CONTROVIRST ON BAPTISM. 
 
 t' ; 
 
 again, where, we enquire, on the 
 day ofpeDtecoat, in the cor- 
 respond! ng pari of baptism, 
 when the Spirit descended from 
 heaven aod eleven tongues ot 
 fire sat upon Mem, were they 
 encompassed about with these 
 tongues of fire ? You may usk 
 tbotte questions of Baptists till 
 doomsday, but their silence 
 akme will answer them. 
 
 In relation to Isa. &2, '»So 
 sbHll He sprinkle many na 
 tions," we may without rebuke 
 follow the venerable Syriac aod 
 Latin versions, and the oo leas 
 worthy English authoriied ver- 
 sion, backed as it is by Luther. 
 
 We are not unaware of the 
 great diversity of «ppinion 
 among modern scholars, espeoi- 
 ally Germuo, as to the force of 
 the Hebrew word nazah in this 
 place; Gesenius taking it in 
 thu sence of "to rejoice.' Oeliti- 
 soh to "tremble," Fuerst "to 
 collect" ; but, as Mr. Torranre 
 himself is perhaps too modest 
 to determine which of these is 
 right, he may allow na to abide 
 by oar English version. And, 
 indeed, we think a modest re- 
 ticence on subjects of learned 
 oriticism becoming in that 
 gentleman, in as much as his 
 authorized reporter tells us "The 
 Septuagent version is '*So shall 
 he rejoice many nations." The 
 Greek version words "Houto 
 thaumasontai ethnepoUa ep anti" 
 arc simply "So shall many na- 
 tions wonder at him ;" so that 
 Mr. Torrance's translation is a 
 "wonder," aportent of scholar- 
 ship. 
 
 He graveljr ooquires, in rela- 
 tion to the Enunch's baptism 
 — " They both went down into . 
 the water" — was that applying 
 the water to the aubjeots? We 
 answer, no — neither was it ap- 
 plying the subjects to the 
 water — the baptiHOi taking 
 place after they went down 
 into the water, and before they 
 came out of it. Oar friend 
 quoted Robinson to prove that 
 baptise rooantezclusive immer- 
 sion. Bobinson tella us that 
 baptize means to sprinkle hh 
 well as to dip, but our eloquent 
 took good care not to make that 
 fact known to his audienoe. 
 
 Wo are not at all surprtvad 
 that the gentleman failed to 
 bring forward one pansage in 
 favor, of bis favorite immornioi. 
 for we will know that ever 
 refbrenco on the sobjeot in tho 
 Now Testament is against that 
 mode, and in favor of that 
 
 generally employed by the 
 hurch. Oar eloquent oppo< 
 nent seems very ready to de- 
 fend himself by human autho- 
 rity. Perhaps he woald like to 
 hear what the celebrated Rev. 
 Richard Baxter thought of the 
 Baptist profanation of the Holy 
 Sacrament of our regeneration. 
 He says." thai as there is no 
 passage in the Word of God to 
 favor immersion for baptism, 
 and as immersion has produced 
 much wretchedness and mi- 
 sery, in many cases causing 
 death by colds contracted in 
 the water, that the public 
 should be protected, and the 
 authors of the mischief pro- 
 
 
CONTROVERSY OF BAPTISM. 
 
 35 
 
 teculed as (he mui-deren." 
 
 DiAE Sib. — In yonr insuo of 
 the 25th ult., I find my ntme 
 pretty fWel}* used ; and in nuoh 
 oonneotionn, that I be^i^ the op- 
 portunity of makinfc nome re* 
 markn with referenoe thereto in 
 yoni oolnmns. 
 
 First: I find a pamphlet ad- 
 vertised parportinpr to he «'Leo- 
 taren on Baptifim by RevK D. 
 F. Butohinrton and J. Torrance, 
 M. A., Toronto." Thin pamph- 
 let I denounce as a fraud upon 
 the public, for the following^ 
 rentions: (1) The^' haT« been 
 publitihed by one pnrty, and that 
 a nondeteript party, withont the 
 ctnsent or knowlbdok of the 
 party I have the honor of ropro- 
 senting. (2) 1 havo in ray poR- 
 session documentary evidence 
 to show that the Rev. I). F. 
 Hutohinson'M lectures are not 
 
 Cublished as taken by areporter, 
 nt as written and revded by 
 him for the presh ; while my 
 replies are t^veu incomplete 
 and incorrect without my know- 
 ing anything about them, tilt I 
 saw them in the painphlet. For 
 ozample, on page 22, near the 
 bottom the public are told : "Mr. 
 Torrence then took up and dis- 
 cussed the passnge io Homans 
 vi., 3 4. and endeavored to whow 
 that immersion was there in- 
 tended." If I did so, wherein 
 the diicnstiont Not in this 
 pamphlet which is sent forth ss 
 containing my replies. Here is 
 proof of incompleteness. It is 
 also incorrect, as those who were 
 present will remember. 1 did 
 not take up and discuss the pas- 
 
 sage to show that immerNion 
 was there intended, fify busi- 
 ness was to reply to what Rev. 
 D. F. Hutchinson said on the 
 text. I criticised Rev. D. F. 
 Hutchinson's exegeMJH of the 
 passage. Here there is a proof 
 of incorreotnens ; and this is 
 only 0110 of many instances of the 
 same kind. I would next call 
 attention to Rev. D. F. Hutchin- 
 son's letter. First of ail Bro. 
 Sherman and I beg leave to 
 thank him for his trentleman ly 
 courtesy (7) and High Ohurch 
 alang. No doubt we feel won- 
 derfully humbled since wo have 
 been reduced, by a reverend in 
 the right line, down to plain 
 Mr. Torrance and Mr. Sherman. 
 I thought we wefo living in 
 Canada in 1S75 1 Have we re- 
 versed "Rip Van Winkle's" 
 sleep, and found ourselves in the 
 pnst ages when there were no 
 reverenks without bishops I Then 
 the Rev. D. F. Hutchinson 
 rieoies, that he refused to meet 
 me in debate o A the statements 
 on the subject which he himself 
 had printed, and which are now 
 found at the head ef bis lec- 
 tures in the pamphlet. I say, 
 he refused, point blank, tn take 
 the sentence he has over the 
 head of his second lecture, and 
 that, that was the cause of the 
 failure of the debate, and nothing 
 elte. Not a word was said about 
 asking him to admit that he 
 was vanquished, till he refused 
 over and over again to take his 
 own printed statement just a$ 
 he had given it as the subjeet of 
 his second lecture. Then I' 
 
CONIROVERSV ON BAP I ISM. 
 
 m 
 
 W 
 
 1 
 
 uffi-ivd, ius au altoroiitive, (a 
 iak©,tiiO/."-ul'jt«t in an.y workiny 
 Ue !?iuw fit, if he would admit bo 
 backed dowu frona hia prititud 
 stutv'inenl., Subb aro the fftcts 
 pure uiid Kiuip)!^, ai>d I. atu prp- 
 ^;ared to prove them by the, w|t 
 nest'fi* preaeiiL at tlie time. ;Thi 
 llev. G. F. Hulchi^oso^ takes ma 
 lo tii4^ for Do.t eendin^ ill an 
 apology to tlin pe<j)ple fqi* my 
 absence o\\ th^e night m , qiie«- 
 tion. Thp ^e!l^son is simple. 
 The mettibu aud the plan gl de- 
 bate, vfijro afniounced by a parly 
 without our kopwledga or con- 
 beat. We are not accustomed 
 tQ,have others cub and dry thiogg 
 fpr us. We think the whole an- 
 r(i,Qgcmonts should have ,boQB 
 mutual, inaamucli as we live in 
 a freo^cQ^i.try ; and as wo could, 
 not jget.'<i mutual, a^roeraeut, 
 we could not meet. The Rev. 
 \). F. Hutchinson sayjs: "I went 
 to Oi!illia,at. tbe/eque^t of your 
 citiBonB,-' Hero w^ havq more 
 arrogapce. ^vg, there no liO' 
 man U.athgjicfj in Orilli«> ? Are, 
 t^iore no 3apliHt!H aad Baptist 
 adiierents iu Of illia ? Are there 
 not some, who do not siand 
 identified with any re,liaiou» 
 body, in OrilJJa ? Do npue of all 
 l.bese pay taxes iu Orilija? By 
 what authority does jtho Rev. 
 D. F, Hutchinson strij) these of 
 their rights a^ (titifsens ?. Yet he 
 says; VJ^ wont txi Orillia at tUe 
 request of, your cilizciisj" 
 Maj-,vellpus,l Did ithase I have 
 natned, hayo .ui^ytbiog to do 
 abaut hia C9wip,g Ip 0.nllia/?. 
 Were, the citizens of Orillia 
 cjjiliod ,(jO<roihcr, and a vote 
 
 taken ? Did they »grec to pay 
 t!ic! charges ol tlic lectures. 
 When I asktdi the Lecturer: who 
 wore the parties at the bottom 
 of thii aSiiiVi he told me that the 
 Rev. H. lif arris toot £i)r him. 
 Does he coDtjiiiiute tho citizens 
 ',i Orillia I The Rev. D. P. 
 Uutcbinson bays about the end 
 of hJ8 lcttt;r: •*! am willing for 
 their snkcs to do it. all over 
 again. " I bajj leave to say lam 
 prepurc'd ut any ttoje on d weekH 
 notice, i^ spared, to ineft the 
 Rev gentleman on the subject* 
 just as they stand at the head of 
 the leaturea iu the pamphlet re-* 
 ferred to, taking also t «e other 
 rules of tht) debate to which 
 both of na agreed. Let a com- 
 mittee bo appointed by both 
 sides, and I shall bind myself ta 
 abido hy the above Btatoment. 
 We protest unaiost anon-descript 
 party a^ean\iQg to tbemsetTes tbe 
 right to do as they please in 
 this mutter. Auoth«r point be* 
 t'ow I Ariose. I nee the Kev. J. 
 Gray ban a^letter aoeot certain 
 tbii)i:s Br.>. Sherutan sbuuid have 
 quoted ejecting the Prosb}'- 
 teriao Church. I have no doubt 
 Bro. Shertaan will be able; i<n 
 due time, to set himself all right 
 in tho ma.ter ; but in tbe mean- 
 time, I would whisper in tbe 
 Rev. J. Grray's ear juat to look 
 into Worecster's Dictionary 
 (uoobridged), and on page 65 of 
 the intioduofcion, on the left 
 hand side of the pages, and near 
 the top, he will find as folloWB : 
 "18X0-3tt. ^r David BrewBter. 
 The Edinburgh Erioyclofsedia. 
 (Eithteoii vols., 4to*.)" How 
 
CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
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 to pay 
 
 cturcs. 
 ■er wl)0 
 bottom 
 that the 
 )r him. 
 
 citizeng 
 
 D. P. 
 the end 
 ling for 
 ill over 
 ay I :i m 
 d weekB 
 neft tho 
 
 subject* 
 
 ', head of 
 
 phlet re* 
 
 10 other 
 
 which 
 t a oom- 
 by both 
 myaolf to 
 atoment. 
 nrdeioript 
 aelveH the 
 ploiwe in 
 
 point be- 
 lief. J. 
 It certain 
 luuld have 
 
 1 Presby- 
 iio diiubt 
 
 I able; in 
 If ail right 
 
 the uiean- 
 )er in the 
 It to took 
 Dictionary 
 page 65 of 
 the left 
 i, and near 
 »8 fuUowB : 
 
 BrewBter. 
 iycloi»dia. 
 ;.)" How 
 
 doW'^Rdt^lddk ftHn^'sid^ of thfri Srtr^y it is aiJi-eKa^; T - f. 
 
 ■tileifa^tit f^ tfheijey. J.Gray's ' Tharikitig Vou, Mr;iEditpr,fiir 
 
 16k«if^'*'Thyrbfeyi6' siich Work y(rtn- 1udttlg<*fe6in^gfrtititing'me 
 
 lrdbi^ir'?n^'the Hterat^ ivt)rid W #> mHioh ofytour VKliiable spaoey 
 
 tile BtMnbyirgh EtioycToi^fledia r I' remain, ;^oui^ f&c;;' ' '1 ' i : 
 
 AliifeftrW.o^cesWsDictiojiwrVi ' "' JOHN^ TORaANC^'U 
 
 
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 THE PAMPHLET, THE DISCUSSION, AND ,SR(. JOHN 
 
 ijii ;.^ i^<-/.,r..:» I.i*>. v'--TOURANdE!" ^-*i «-ji> - 
 
 i?rfi<or '•/' Th». Bit68iTOE : 
 ^ jljljg^/ ISoiTO^^i'a IThb Ex- 
 Po;^i;pB of the 4th jjistant. t fin4 
 a iQljfor from qqr , iViend Mr^ 
 JojtfijTorrapce, .in^whiqh that} 
 gentleraen giyes.nefyoAw' symp- 
 tom^ on Q, gre^tmatQf fiubject^l 
 First, ^e findi,' fe\ili .with the 
 publ]i«}) #d pa^ phlet^ qoii tai ning 
 an.^cQount of ou,r ; r^poDt disouB- 
 Bipp, JE194 gives tbu D^'oiit ^opuiini; 
 reT^n^.'wh^.jJje 'tb^^nVsl^rtt incpr'- 
 fflcl, 1 thaqk, sir,, thai thpae 
 
 aisjemWv, they w^i'e giten to the 
 p|dblic' iDdividtiairy' and oolleo^ 
 titety and heiioefc^th they be^ 
 loiqged to thetii ; ijiiM as tbe 4btter 
 b^,long^ to the ' ' pai(ty addretwed 
 th9 . very mdmtthi' it ia posted': 
 arid for tny part ftie ' pupiio affo 
 #e)coi(D'e to them^ 'Yotir good 
 p^pie may write>.^ reaeti print, 
 oferyie; 8taift ot' en^t^V^Hheitfiaad 
 p>Pfft by them to 4hi»*r'- hearb'« 
 3diltehV>i%h<*Ut fWWdj^l'aoy in- 
 ^ertei-fetice from mi" ^'Whenevet 
 
 I fwrnitthcd yo'ii, ponp,^ yet your 
 |rihtpd^ report ^an4 niy.pwn mo^t 
 
 takeq . ap wn . and-,p9 bliBhed, ' hot 
 bnite qae-fburiir ef ^lEiat 1 kflid 
 waaiBuipliMed .at, all. Before 
 tpe.ir qeli?ery wf Ipeed^ea oe 
 
 fcf#e o^ly to Bay tb«t.thTdoghthe 
 ^tHe diaeil^loti <'I treated ^ the 
 ^i^iitieman with '.4bar<ied rfttpeet 
 aha n^ybr M6«8<>d'hiiil ot'^ny 
 "Ko Ghliroh^ ftlang.*'' I regarded 
 -Kim aa an ^yiDQueftt defender.af 
 iiiiJ breed, and 1 't«ate* JiiilaO ae- 
 Wdingly. Ih he dbpleaaed in 
 i>tein*"eaIF€d Mr. Tonranoe« trBll 
 'i ^\W call 4itn • the • HwioraWe 
 ^Mi"; TorraAo* if h^ wishesi But 
 
 Aied to o«iiV)|^ei but Wfceb ;Jfr; TorraAc* if h^ wiahes; ^JJut 
 'ijiey^er^ iinde'Ji«;-ib apubUc 1i(*#' Wottldthe' iftntlotnan have 
 
38 
 
 CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 til;) 
 
 (I > 
 
 
 
 felt If I had Uken the same 
 liberty with his name that he did 
 with the n&mes of th« holy fouod< 
 en of our ohuroh, oalliog then 
 Paul, Peter and John, as ii 
 they were not entitled to the 
 ordinary courtesy of civilisa- 
 tion. True, after three days 
 hard study, he said he found 
 them so named in the Bible. 
 Grant it ; but does that author- 
 ise him profanely to grate on the 
 ears of a Christian people by 
 using sueh familiarity with the 
 names of the holy Apostles of 
 our Lord. Suppose I heard the 
 
 fentleman's brother call him 
 ohnny, andjhis uster by the 
 name of Mary, what would he 
 think of ipe ia presuming the 
 same familiaritjr ? and if on 
 greeting him I said, acoordiitgly 
 to the examble of his brother, 
 "Well, Johnny, how are you, and 
 how is Mary?" would he not 
 have reason to qomplain. And 
 does Mr. Torrance require to be 
 treated with more respeet than 
 they, who, under Qod, gave us 
 our ministry and saorasMnts. If 
 aocording to my very best know« 
 ledge I cannot rceogniae him as 
 Lorl High Acmiral of Her Mar 
 jesty's fleet, am I abliged, becauss 
 I liyft in free and happy Canada, 
 ou pain of being koocked down 
 in the street to acknowledge the 
 title : and if I regard Mr. Tor- 
 ranee as a very eloquent lnyman, 
 and know him to be such, am I 
 to have both my eyes blsckened 
 besause I do not know the very 
 contrary to be true. As vrell 
 might he endeavor to force me 
 to believe that to reject intiuits 
 
 from baptism waH no Christian 
 immorality, and that it was not 
 fraught wiib fearfully irreligi- 
 ous coo^equence8, commeneing 
 by making other people pay for 
 feigned expression of regard 
 for God, D. v., with Mathew, 
 John, Peter and Mark, and fin- 
 ally to profane the sacred name 
 by which we are called. The 
 faot was I said nothing at all 
 about his ministry, and the in- 
 ference he drew from my letter 
 was exclusively* his own. I 
 mighthonestly reject the gentle- 
 man's ministry, not on ep'!ao^»- 
 pal ground merely, but on ProK- 
 byterian also, ai.d am I to blame 
 for knowledge against which I 
 cannot shut my eyes: this 
 however, I have nothing to do 
 with at present. If the gentle- 
 man can satisfy himself that 
 he is anything moi e than a lay- 
 man, that is his own business, 
 and I have nothing to do with 
 ir. He objeets to plain Mr. 
 Torrance but the gButleman 
 did not even honor our first 
 bishop by plain Mr Paul, Mr. 
 Peter, or Mr. John ; simply be- 
 cause they were not of his foli- 
 gioc, and no fault can be found 
 with them on that account fbr 
 it was not beard of on the face 
 of the whole earth ; nor in 
 heaven in their day; nor for 
 hundreds of years a/lerwaids. 
 
 I again repeat my assertion 
 that I did not, under any cir- 
 cumstance, refhse to meet Mr. 
 Torrence in debate, ^e fre- 
 quently said tlvat.he would keep 
 me to the wording of the sub- 
 ject of my leelnre nooonneeied 
 
 
CONTROVERSY ON BAPTISM. 
 
 i9 
 
 with an^ explanation I bad 
 given of it I said he might do 
 just aa he pleaued, bat that I 
 woald take no notice of jiny re- 
 mark of hia foreign fVom the 
 aabjeot in dispote. Every one 
 that heard my lecture will bear 
 teatiraoay that I never denied 
 immersion ai* baptism. I con- 
 feaeed it repented ty to be a mode, 
 but not that mode of baptism 
 divinely marked in the New 
 Testament I gave that ex- 
 planation before I commenced 
 my second lecture, and I did 
 not feel disposed to be bullied 
 o«t of it ; beeaose I knew I had 
 a right to explain to the public 
 what I meant by my own pro- 
 position, The gentleman sayii 
 ne never asked me to acknow- 
 ledge myself vanqoished, but 
 he did give hia new translation 
 of the word — < back doum^'* as 
 is certified as follown: — *'Mr. 
 Torrance was willinf to aooept 
 the statement with the edditioo, 
 provided Mr. Hutchinson would 
 aoknovledge that he bacluddown 
 from his printed Htatement — 
 F. Kbam^P. Mubiat, B. D. 
 Shbbmam." 
 Uf, Torrance appeared on the 
 
 ClatyTorm on tibe 2Sth oi Janntry 
 wti to reply to my lectuivs as 
 I delivered them. And before 
 I commenced my seoond one I 
 distinctly sUted that I had no 
 intention of diapsting immer- 
 sion to be a mode of bap.iam. 
 Surely that ought to have been 
 atisfMtory. I need not save 
 that 1 was ready to meet the 
 gentleman i'ur further discus- 
 siOQ MS your people all know 
 
 that fact. And I^ ifcain repeac 
 it;that I never declined to meet 
 him, no matter what he de- 
 manded, and according to l|aii- 
 nounoement at the proper time 
 I was oil the platform, and I 
 doubted not but that I ahould 
 see Mr. Torrance there. The 
 Kcntleman complains about ar- 
 rangements being made with* 
 out his knowledge or consent. 
 Did he ever oonsuit me before 
 he came to i-eply to my lecture 
 on the 28th of January last ? 
 He came there without m^ 
 knowledge or consent, and I 
 was mucn pleised that he did 
 BO. If he really wished to de- 
 bate the subject of my lectures 
 what more did he want, for no 
 one asked him to du anything 
 moie than he volnnlarily com- 
 menced to do. I had no ar- 
 RMgemeiits to make, he made 
 the whole of them, and 1 had 
 disposition to disagree with any 
 thing reaHonable: but 1 must 
 canfess that I was nut willing 
 to aokoowlodge that niy elo- 
 quent friend bad vauquished mo 
 when I well knew, and every 
 one in Orillia knew, that he did 
 not I am accused of arrogance 
 in saying that I went *o Orillia 
 at the request of your citiaens, 
 1 fear the gentleman has become 
 so familiar with baptist logic 
 that be misnnderatauds the ex- 
 pression as plainly as he duee 
 the Apostolic commission. If 
 invited to lecture by five, ten, 
 or twenty people of Oriiiia, am 
 I not eorrect calling them 
 citisens cf Oriliia. Tha gentle- 
 man it appears disputes . my 
 
40 
 
 CONTROVK.RSY ON HAPTISfM. 
 
 m 
 
 stateanentit '. i-Wiell, ■ I suppose I 
 must subtiwel 1 and I ani not in 
 hs^ company', for he indulged in 
 the same, kind of liberty with an' 
 inspired author! For when he 
 found . out that the sweet Psal-' 
 mist of Israel dared to say, in the ' 
 ist Book of Chronicles, thai Ab* 
 raham^s covenant extended toai 
 THOUSAND generations instead of: 
 FORTY-TWO, which he (Mr. Tor- 
 rance) said was -the exact num^i 
 ber; the gentleman very signifi- 
 cantly added his opinion that 
 large allowance was to be made 
 for the poetical statements" of< 
 King David. On this subject of 
 a personal nature V have ' littte 
 inc»e to say. /I'he gentlemen of 
 the different' denominations *r ho?' 
 invited me to Orillia are yet alive, 
 and they wiW.t'twhen nec^ssaty," 
 show dmt I did hot appebr* before • 
 them* uinnvi««A: 1 have'.:i«r> 
 means> str^of JcnoWihg who ^ayfe' 
 t^]M8tin.yo(irt0wn. << AU I kt^' 
 is^sthat .your*peoplei look' thr^ 
 azid happy^ and'-l am glad to be- 
 lieve t^at yowi are all able tO'payJ 
 your shiwe jof thdm. Farindet^d 
 was it from mfy thoughts to -Stt^jf 
 any of Chem of their right*: ■<-i> 
 wenfetheie, Bir^asthef simple ahd' 
 hu!i!nble messenger of •'Je»u«,:'Bnd' 
 inuGod's name 'i delivered hiy 
 message-^Ezekiel, il j 5 ;* 'atid 'H 
 am very willihg for his isake'ta 
 eiidur^'the oontradiction t)f ^rt- 
 iiers^Heb;:xii j'3 ; but the gefr, 
 tit mantntjst. excuse rfie v^enl* 
 add that if his cretd requires /Vv» 
 tonbebrokfcn'in winter, and tlw 
 healtli 2Mnd' «ven life of wives j ' 
 
 mothei^, sisfasrs and dai^hter$:to 
 be imperilled, ^and 'Christfs holy'j 
 sacrament pi'ofaned : if this-yoke 
 be not t' light and easy," as w* 
 are told > our. i Lord's yoke: isi< 
 (Matt, xi : jo ; .it: isisurely not of- 
 God, but of the evil on* ^ And- 
 if wdth-all the el6qnence the gen-' 
 tlemani possesses^ he cannot de* 
 fend his creed frooa ,the Holy; 
 Scriptures, and : he i evidently the; 
 very/sanra as acknowledged < hd 
 could ndt do- that,) he (Might toot) 
 to cast any reflection upon mei;! 
 for I had not, the making of his' 
 creed ; it was- mkde without my 
 khowledge ioi^ ^cnnsent, and • he 
 need not get so angprv >vith iis> ab > 
 its weakness ,«nd' folly, as \o iil» 
 dulge in persdnalitiesi First,ihe' 
 snarls at>you, siiy^nd^Jionounces* 
 you as ' gritty ; of - a fraud <on ihe ■' 
 pub^ic^ theil he showed hi? ^efetli^ 
 at m'e>'be6auic"I was* iittrosted<> 
 wit ra messa^ tO; hwipwjple^i 
 then he grt)wl9'at«hepeoirfe««wh(3' 
 armouhoed ' the' eontrovetsy ^ fob 
 Its, 'at their ' ^Wn i ^xpKfniee, < amii 
 finftHy^ tie' iig4ttd-4i))0n 'osr rnldi 
 friend the ^ Rev. Mi*. Grayv"irlH» It 
 ktiow is ^M«U>:<li^abk^ taking 
 care of the Edinburgh ViatfSB^' 
 peedio: ^'^doQ't'feeliVore/'snj^as 
 the result of the<:oAtrt»veTsy/ttiK&j 
 dierefore cannot sntip,t>ite,<gr<M' 
 and bark! af any'«yi^, anditMr.T 
 John Torrance inust wucuse-met 
 for declining tb i*o«iy. vWigliini^' 
 you all ten thf«titiEitid bleesittg^iAi 
 Christ Jesiisj 'h*'U\ a o«? «.i hoih 
 fi ' '^l remain, Mji* Edko^,x'<>T'''' 
 ►>;.> 'Faithfully ybursy' ^•'i:"'*'iJ>? 
 
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 pon mei>! 
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 thout my 
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 vith lis.^t 
 as to ill*' 
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 onounces' 
 d fon ithe! 
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 introsted' 
 
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