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 ¥ I S H E R 1 E S BILL, 
 
 OF THE 
 
 HON. ALEX. CAMPBELL, 
 
 Commisaioiier of Crown LaiicLs, 
 
 IN THE 
 
 tKOLSIATlVE COUNCIL, ON THE Dth and Khn MARCH, 
 
 1865. 
 
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 ei>oii<,l io,. the ^•X>siilj> iXewis." 
 
 QUEBEC: 
 
 ITJNTKD AT THE "DAILY NEWS" OFFICE, ST. ANTOINE ST., L. T. 
 

 LEGIS 
 
 I 
 
 .V 
 
 Hon. Mr. 
 reading of th 
 the protect 
 liill, said t 
 been defern 
 opportunities 
 Hubject to 1 
 might deem 
 laoro perfect 
 second rcadi 
 pcctation thn 
 but 1 think, il 
 and printt'd, 
 raeiius durir 
 aelves with i 
 6iO!» hon. inv 
 with il to gr 
 ttitit niiiditic 
 >iie tiill .-'met 
 nuprobfihli> i 
 purfKise het( 
 possible to 
 Fisheries to 
 sary thac the 
 tention tlic 1 
 able interes 
 ion of the 
 docs not yet 
 which it dcs 
 this source i 
 the House is 
 
 years, and 
 
 turns CThibil 
 
 Can Am AX Fi 
 caught in 
 185:1 *l,4 
 that Cana 
 000 wortli 
 and 1 «(V2 
 Lovrer Ca 
 tire) V $73 
 
i> i: i^ A r ii: 
 
 ON TITi: 
 
 FISHERIES BILL. 
 
 
 
 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL, 
 
 TiiinsDAY, 9th March, 18C5, 
 Hon, Mr. CAMPHELL moved the second 
 readingofthe Kill to make belter provision fur 
 the protection of tlif Fisheries. This 
 Bill, Said tho honorablt' Coiniiiinsioiicr, hits 
 beon deferred from limo to tnue to airorJ 
 opportunities to persons interested in tho 
 subject to make such Fii}r^"<ii(iiH us they 
 might deem expedient for reuUtiing theiucuiiiire 
 inoro perfect ; and now in rising;; to m^rp Ibr its 
 eecond reading, I do no not do so wifi the ex- 
 pectation that it will pass in tho current session, 
 but 1 tliink it wouhi be wise to havo it discussed 
 and printed, so that tile people may hav;- ihij 
 means during the recess of acquainting thorn- 
 selves with its i)r(ivisioiis ; then at the next ses- 
 sion hon. members can <;r>me prepared to deal 
 with ii to greater advantage Several impor- 
 tant miidilications Imv indeed been nuule in 
 the bill .^iiice ii was iiitii.idiiCid, and it is ri<it 
 improbable iliat others shall be in.ide lo good 
 purfiose betbre it becomes law. It is hardly 
 possible to (jver-rate the importance of ti.e 
 Fisheries lo liiis country, and hence it is nece.;- 
 sary thac the subject should receive the best at- 
 tention the House can give it. Tiiis very valu- 
 able interest has been confided to the supervis- 
 ion of the Crown Lauds Deii.irlment, but it 
 does not yet seem to have n^eeived the attention 
 which it desei'vcs In pr xif of the value of 
 this source of industrial [nuducts, the notice of 
 the House is called to the returns made in past 
 years, and to the satisfactory increase thosj re- 
 turns exhibit. 
 
 CvNAruAV FisiiEnTK3. — Tlie valuo of the fish 
 caught in 18r)(i was.'?14(5,084 : 18r)2 $297,818; 
 18r)!> JFl, 406,288. The report of ISafi shows 
 that Canada West caught the value of5'38o,- 
 000 worth ; and the nfficial reports for 18^1 
 Rnd 1 K(i2 show the value of the lisli caught in 
 Lovrer Canada, in tliese years, to be re.-pec- 
 tivply $730,010 find f703,H05, 
 
 The census reports of Canada for J 801 phow 
 the quantities caught to he :— 
 
 In Canada East. In Cantda West. 
 
 2^0,453 quintals. 2,517 quintals. 
 
 i:iO,5r)8 barn Is. 10,01:5 barrels. 
 
 41;{,4H2 pounds. 175,744 jionnds. 
 
 The following statistics are for Loner Cana- 
 da fot 18tiJ :— 
 
 YuuibiT of fishing b-..U.s 2,535 
 
 V.ilii'- 1575,95:) 
 
 •Number of lisbeiiii;ii 5,044 
 
 Quantity of cod taki-n Ji;y,4G;> 
 
 " Haddock taktu 1,0H« 
 
 " Hrill taken .: 50l> 
 
 Hirr-'ls herrings 0,721 
 
 " .Mackerel 1, "•>"'! 
 
 " Salmon 2,3:'.Ii 
 
 Gallons cod oil 07,832 
 
 The neit table tjjiows the iiumbrr of .sea 
 going vessels, ite., with their products obtaineil 
 for Canada Ka-.t : — 
 
 NimhiT of v.'<-.il~ 1 70 
 
 TouDage 11,07« 
 
 .Vtitubcr of seamen 1,1 G5 
 
 (Vuiutals of codfish 14,IC8 
 
 Crallons of oil (;;{,75;{ 
 
 Heals 23,38'.« 
 
 The Magdalen Islands (which belong to V,n- 
 nada) in 18tjl owned 38 schooners, and 23.! 
 tishiiig b')ats. The pi'odiic*s of their tisheries 
 were loj.OOO bur-'ls (f picl:K-d fish. ItJ.OOo 
 (liiinliils of dri'-il lisli, .md :;'\'>')\j gallons of oil . 
 Their iioinilation in the latter year was only 2<«."i I 
 souls. These sialLineuis are taken from the IJlue 
 Books. 1 have just said that this important suli- 
 ject had not secured all the attention to which it 
 was entitled, and this i^ no doubt duo to th"i 
 other iMultifarioua duties which the Commis- 
 sioner of Crown Lands is required to attend to 
 Yet I am happy to say that tho pubjcct is now 
 ill eliarge ol a ;,reiitU'iu:in iiruhi.'ing ihe Kishep- 
 ies l,.aucii ofthi' l^pariuuiii, wli'is" speeial ef- 
 f-'its nre directed lo the be^t modc^ of tkalinz 
 
villi il, ami 1 t'lfl iimch plfii-iiir,' In liMi-iii'^ ic-- 
 
 rmiitiy to Ilio {,'rc.it zeal, iiitelii^fiMKr iiiui ifii- 
 
 (■■k'Ucv uf timt iitlicT. iH well iv.-t li> lii-! lliiiroii;rli 
 
 ii'-iju.iintiiiicf Willi till- (biliis (if llic iiflicc iimlvi' 
 
 liis inaii:iprpin''iit. In oriltT ti>(Mi!ililc tin' il.iii -■ 
 
 !■) j'i'l;?? fairly ill the (m-c, it sii'iii-s mri'.ssaiy 
 
 !lial il siioul 1 111* iiunlc aware of lli'.' ri.i,'lilH of 
 
 varlir-s wiio^c li-licrii ■! iiie likely t<> lio afl'.clfil 
 
 l.y (lif Mil. .SoMio iiii-cuiii;i.'itiic)ii> iaI-i i;i if- 
 
 j itioii to tlicHi- '.•ijrht.s, it'll it was iii dm wi.-r ilic 
 
 riliiiiliDn ol tiic (iovpriiiiu'iil Id iuii-rliTC wiili 
 
 liRin T!ii.-« i-" ptatid al liu* oiiisci Iicciiii.u; iny 
 
 i ..II. iVifii'i np]i(>,-iic (lliiH. Mr. iK'iVrtiijt'ii) hail 
 
 I MiiirK-it'.'il :«'i'iii' ii[i]ir.'!M'ii.5i 'iiJ tlrr ilic li'll 
 
 i.iiglit lu sonn' way iiivi'li; llio rijrliU of llr- 
 
 ^ 'ifjni M'.^ ami Ci'iisitairc-, ami in or.lcr to fiivr- 
 
 1 laliy riuief sucli ffdrs it iri proi^Hed to imUc a 
 
 t irttior ."•li'^ht ilieration which will fiitircly rc- 
 
 I'l )Vo any sui'li ilaiijjjcr. Tiiis alU'iMtion is notcil 
 
 i 1 the i'.ril (jlaii-c, ami pr >vid',M lliil niily when.' 
 
 no exclusive ri;,'liii ul' li-hini; exist by law in 
 
 favor of private jiersons, .shall the C(jniinissioncr 
 
 iif ('town Laiidd issnc I'.-ase.-:. 
 
 Hop.. Mr. LKTKl.LlKKDi: iST. Jl .ST.— Tiii.-^ 
 ilocs not now appear in the hill. 
 
 Hon. .Mr. CAMrilELL— No, i have ja.st .«ai.l 
 thai I ]iroposo niaUitij; the fillerition in Coni- 
 inittee as rtlir'ady noted ill the hill. I helieve 
 
 conveyed, lail al.s > iLi' [.rivil ■■.'(■ o' Ii..lri)^ i 
 any w.iy tliat .seeine 1 lie-' l> ii- ^•.aiiteis 
 I am .^triMiifly pie->-ed l>y imcM''; wmo laUi* . 
 a(!tivi' ami prai.-ew irtliy ii:i( ii -i in.ili" ii-!ierii 
 lint mire in I'n' clriiMCt r i f iin ,!■ u ■. iln 
 a- trad'TJ <<\ paiii'- \\ 1;m pnr-iae li'i.-nvj t'-r 
 livelili'iiiil. In inli'it'er" in ■" eh a W ly as In ah 
 li-h in l.iiwer ("aii.nla tin- ;>rariic' I'f c-'.M-l'.ir 
 fi. 1. I y iii"an-^'.l' lini-n weii- inn «nt .-uni • di 
 t.iiKi'i'ii iliv ti aeli ii'WartN d»'c|i Wivlor. Tlu- 
 jieiiilMiiii'ii m.iiat.iin that ihi.s in ■•' • 'A tt.hiii<; 
 desli'ii'ti\e of ihe lidie.i's, and llni, in tooVi 
 il inli'i'teres willi the li'ih'- of pi r-u i' liij»'ei- > 
 li»e iir-am-, hi. the cs coH n i ";e«i iii m i' 
 pati III- lUai ly proN >• tlni ilrai' v ■; . •• r.-ir' 
 tioii .1.- to ihi' .i;ip!i inec- ui Ic u-,i 'I ly tin- jie 
 S'.n . owniii;; ih'.-e lidiii!;r rijjcht.s. (,'nii<- a nuii 
 liiT of ofli'-r ri'tiiciif'S lo til'' same eirel f:'oi 
 like d'ic;iments iiii^hl be jeMuce I. hut the. 
 will pfobalil. siilic' to sh rv the int-nii iti-' - 
 the l-'ri'iieli ('.own t<> have bein a f.ill ami \»'. 
 fed (• >nveyani( ot' a proprietary lijj'il in tlir- 
 fi.slieries to he used as the owner- th(ei..;lit fit. i 
 in e,'-eordaiie.' with th- jaaetii-e of the I'm- 
 The iM'i'ci.se praetier w .;'ld tie 
 fact 
 
 Hon. Mr. i:!'!,!.- Wa.' ther 
 .show that tl e ti-hiii:: mi..::!' b" 
 means of li'U'nvs in lie' siicini' 
 
 not the wonl " 'aekl.^ 
 
 A <|iie.-ii'in 
 
 .an;. t-iii)!r M 
 (>!• liociiti-d t.< 
 .Vi.d do. I 
 iiiiii!\' a u< .ica'.Ie jrear R 
 
 that there is ionie niisai>preIiersion abroad as 
 
 to the po.sition of the Seif,niior.s in rej.^ird of j bee lUid Cacouna and in 
 
 ri.jhinp riffhts, which it would he well to dissl- 
 
 p.'ite. rptai referring to the jiatents or £(rants 
 
 issued to the Seigniors, or to the parties from 
 
 whom the Si'ifriHiiries has l.een purehased, il 
 
 is found that there have been a conveyance of 
 
 lishing rights which ought not to he disregard 
 
 Hon. Mr. CVMl'IlK!,! I'.etw.cn ^n 
 
 oil)" (ither jdaci 
 it seen)s that li-liiio.r w- 1- t!< u rarri'.d t 
 by incii.^ of bnish weir-:. ;i had b"i 
 seen from the words of a ;iati'n'. he ha 1 nuote. 
 t'.iat il might be done ly jiiiaiis ol any kind . 
 tackle or apjiliance.* wiiat.-oever, and though tljj 
 word rendered "tackle' in llnrdish. mijjhf be pi 
 
 ei; and to enable the H.msc to judge oftheun- 1 Famed t:) mean some oihcrm.de, yd it di*! i 
 (jiics'ionable cliaracter of Ihe-e riglit-, 1 will appear what tiait mode was, altho igh it is si.' 
 (piote from a W'w of the pat'-nts or grant.). ' licieiitly evideirt that the brush wier- were tl;i- ' 
 Among numerous «ther deeds, more or less simi" j in common use. .Moreover the lai.giage oftl*! 
 lar, may be instanced those of the seigniories of original grants is as foljow.s: "./irr li'n't 
 L^let du Torl'igi', Verbois, River dn l,ou:>, Isle 
 Verte, (Jrand I'lihos, tSoulange, St. Hnlpiee, 
 I'.oucherville, I.sles I'.ouchard, Kainr.uraska, Sil- 
 lery, (laiidaiville, <fcc., I'tc. In some of ihe-e 
 grants there is conveyed, beside^ the e.\pre.js 
 and exclusive riglit of fishing, the liberty to fi.di 
 "with all .sorts oi tackle on the be.icli as f.iras low 
 
 water mark," or in any manner the grantee 'nnay 1 when the hirnier Adminislration was in \iO\y 
 deem convenient," or "as he may think fit. ! and the then .•Vllorney I leiieral for (Canada Ka-jj 
 Others grant "a sedentary (or fixed) fishery.'' ' !ic Hon. Mr. Dorion, had delivered a;, opinii 
 Mf'ny convey the right of soil in benches. ! on the sufijuct . This ipiestion arose in con-, 
 islands, battures and shoals, some with and : qi cnce of an adverliscmenl of the Sheritf th;. 
 ■••ome without fishing. Not a few grants slijiu- I h. woiihl proceed on a, certain day to s. 11 a cr 
 late the right of exclusive fishery " as fir as the | t.iin lishi.ng right al iJiviere diielle. taken nnd 
 middle of the St. LawTence,'' ojiposite the fx'cntion. The oflicial comlucling thefi.ihingn 
 lands described. Judicial decisions have been ! I'a'.rs finding that no (xpie-;sgr.;nt of fishries w 
 had confirming certain fishing rights. The i made hy ihe main gran', was anxious to cstal 
 action also of the (..ommission appointed under ; lish that lhes!i|ii)kineiita;y ileetl could uvt sn 
 the Sv'igniorial Act ha'^ fiiither established j ply Mich omiss'on. It was then suggested th 
 many such claims. This shows sutlieienlly clear !. the riglil to the fishery resided in the Crown a;; 
 tlmt not only wn^ the right to fi-1, fidly that it could not he sold, but the opinion 
 
 .\ltnini \ I I. 
 
 it U.H Hi 
 
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 or 'I "J I.' 
 
 the '-"'ih 
 lleilleii'- w:i< 
 {lies of land 
 ill, to In- I; 
 Irit : mi" I'mc 
 iho lli\er It 
 
 In tie- '.;o;li 
 made to Md 
 llieberl, ol 
 lies in ili'pi 
 [leiigne and a 
 ill- Seigni'iiy 
 Ber with the 
 the iallic -e 
 
 Itis last gran 
 [he '2 J ill Jul 
 itioii il is s: 
 |d and eonliii 
 (li-e<pieii«:e, I 
 irl, licr lieirs 
 .-.tid l.ind, 
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 lilting and I 
 
 llidc fXteilt o 
 
 iind, for all 
 lcc^ :iSors, a 
 
 '■ iviniitan( 
 the beai 
 le exception 
 \nw \h IJoisl 
 
 [III- deed of 
 rniors of u 
 jonly in the i 
 
 toiiU' />rc/i<', a lout s si,r'".i <l'> i,f/i/i^:' «* "'-•>" ^"' '''^• 
 
 ,. )iBiui?ing tliet 
 Jlon. Mr. DKHKAlMKr— The manner ol f^^'i^-r^Ui:Avhi:i\ 
 ing was determined by law just as the maniu i . . 
 of mining, and could ijc easilv ascertained. >'''» right is i 
 
 :«rve •' to leav 
 Hon. .Mr. ("AMlM!i:i,I; — The (jneslion of po- J, •> ,j,j^ ,,.^^,,. 
 
 five owiiershi|i in these fisheiies had been rai<. ^^ y.,)^. {,, ^^^^^ 
 
 upied by tilt 
 Seigniory ; 
 L> Seignior 
 d he coiieo 
 
 It to enjoy 
 •, and ill 1 
 
 ii.tU not iiav( 
 abolition of 
 rian owners 
 
 air ''icrefo 
 
 no rigiu ol 
 
 no oppo.-ili 
 
 iroprietry I 
 
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 I 'luti'ii' liu iia 1 n'l'itt 
 
 liiiati> ■)! liny kiml 
 I t-ic 10 vcr, kimI lliui'.ph \\'i 
 ill Kii<Tiisli. iniulit !>«• pi' 
 liir m i,lf, yi'i it diil n. 
 
 \Mi>, altiio i^jii it i-; si,i | 
 c )>;mis1i wiiTS were thi' jl'i- 'li"^''l 'jf nitilicaiiou lia,- friveii to llie 
 (vor tlie laiiiraace of tl*i["i»''= ^J* '^ Ijon'-oill'.'iiL- tlie ri;,d''' 'J' ti-iliintr, 
 >llii\vs: "■7//'c"(//'//7 ..jf only ill liie uinrmuutatinii (ipf the seigniory, 
 
 Kil'f)i'/iii^-.'' it'alsuuii tiie svliuk' I'Mi'iil of liic liisi }:;raiit. 
 
 iBipri-iiii^ Uic I'iiiio tlii^ pan oC ilie liiver tit. 
 
 ,1 — Tiici.iaiiiUTi.l ti-i^.j.^.,,^^. ^yl,^^^,.^ Hi^ boiimifil. 
 
 law jii.st lis IMP maniit - 
 
 easily nswrtainoil. 
 
 Ill 
 
 lU'liiciit' w:n j^niiiti'ii '/ 
 
 {lies (>r iaiui ill ri'iiil liy one ami almlfin 
 
 til, to In- laki'ii nil till' IJivcr Si. Lawrt'tifi', 
 ril : nil" Ifasiii- aliovc ami (Uio k'ugia- iii.'- 
 tiif l.'ivcr Oui'lK', iiiclii'liii^ tla* .-'aiiic 
 
 Ml till' '.ioiii OcIoIht, IT.'iU, aiioUicr ^raiit 
 ina'l(! to .Mck'. Di-ivaiiu'/.ay, widow id'Sieiir 
 IlifliiTt, ut two K'a;,Miis in front liy two 
 111'.; ill dfpili ; lo III' laki'ii at tlic dc|.!i! of 
 ica;;in' and a liiiHol iiiid foiiiu'i'ly coiitaiiK'd 
 |i"' Soinnii'iy of l-a llonicilieiii', lol'onn to- 
 \nv witli tin.' foniu'r coiici'a.sioii of liiT'J, oia- 
 till, iiim: .sei;(nioiy . 
 
 [Itis la.-l ;iraiit Hpiicars \n liavi- licfn ralififd 
 |lii' 24ili Jiii'c< 17') I. and in tin; di'cd of rii- 
 ilioii it i-i said ilial •' ili^^ Mnje-ty lui:^ rali- 
 |d .111 I (•iinliinitd tlic -aid (?raiif, wishes, in 
 lii»iMpn'niM', tli.it rill- Siiid Widow Djiioi-lii'- 
 frl, liff heirs or ;. ;sii;n.-, enjoy in ]ie!-|iitiiity 
 >aid land, lo Ije one niiii the .■5..ine seij^ni- 
 Hj-, «/ /''//•-■ ./'■ jl -t' vitli tho old jj;ranl, willi 
 L'h. middle and low ji;.stii-f, rii//il ntjif/ii/i'/, 
 hilinp: and tr.id iiif willi the Imlia is, in llie 
 liole extciil i;f ;iie said jji'iuit ; without liL'in;^ 
 1, fir all that, to pay to His .Miijeslj- or 
 lec .isors. any money or indeinnity," of 
 Ir-'. iviniilaiH-e, " with the Stipulation lo 
 ii\e the lieach Utv for all lisherinen, with 
 le exception of lliose necessary to the eaiil 
 Lin- I>(. I!oi.-heljert for her tisliurv." 
 
 Tliii rijjjlit is not restricted liy llie char •: or 
 !a|rvc " to leave the beach free lo everv tiiher- 
 I.— riie (pie.slion of \'t>- ^- ,!,i,^ reserve not apiilvin;,^ to the llsh.M'ies, 
 hshene.s had l.een rni.^. ^v y.,,^. j„ ^^^^^^ |,.^,.,^ „,• ,'!,„ ^^^.^^.^^ .^ l,,.;,,^, 
 iistration was in^l.ow.|.|j,j,i;,j by tbe fisheries of tiie proprietors of 
 
 ' Seieiiiory ; up to the time of M.k iibolilioii 
 
 'i' Sei<{niorial Teuiiro, this riglit ot (ishery 
 1 lie coiieeded, and the cnintees li ive a 
 I to enjoy it coiiformalily to the ^^rants 
 e, and in the parts of the Se;;ulory where 
 ,ill not have been granted, it belongs, since 
 abolilioi! of the Segniorial Tenure, to the 
 iaii owners. 
 
 leiieral for (Canada Ka>, 
 id delivered a.i opinii. 
 (picstioii strose in con-'J 
 Kill of the Slieritf th;., 
 certain day to Si II a ci 
 
 iere (hielle. taken iiiidt" 
 condiicliiig liiefi.iliiiignj 
 [ire-;.spr.;nt offishries Wii 
 was anxious to ei^taH 
 a;y dK^cd could lud sir 
 
 wr.s then suggested tli 
 esided in the (."rownar.J 
 ■old. bill the opinion 
 
 an- ''icrefore, ot opinion {U-^ tlie Crown 
 
 no right of lishny in tlii-; Sc'gni.iry, and 
 
 no oppo.-iuon can be iiiude to the sale of 
 
 oroprietry kiiowii t;mJe;" liie iiaino cf Ureal 
 
 I'orpoi.Ne F!iiiery of Ifiver O'lcUo I'oiiit, aiid of 
 the liiliery rights att.iehed to it, .seized on 
 Messrs. (.'a-rgraiii tiinl Tctu, at tlie suit of tile 
 Trinity House of Qiielicc. 
 
 vSij^tied;, A. A. Dt.iiloN, 
 
 .Vtt.irney-llenerul, L.C. 
 
 Tiia! opinion li:i8 Jnrllier coiilirined rue in the 
 view taken of tile matter, and I wi.s glad to 
 find myself so supported, not professing lo bo 
 intlniaUly coiiversunl witli Lower Tanada law. 
 'I'lie Ti.liject also eaiii'- in a special manner Ij*- 
 fore ihe .'^'eigniorial Tenure Coininis.-ioners, afid 
 there my iioii friend (Hon. .Mr. De liea'ijeu) 
 piesented a claim fi>r ,a leaniifn iitioii for i lie 
 loss uf liis lidiiiig rights, when the (Joinmission- 
 ers dcci'Jed In." had not lost llieni, but ihiil they 
 conlin.ied to ve.~l i i liini as fully am', "•rfeetly 
 lis ever, and that ..niLseriuenlly lie had no claim 
 t'j coinpensaUon. Such bcini' the case with 
 tli.il lion, ineiiiber's rights, it of course followed 
 thai it was likewise the case with all olher jter- 
 sons similarly situated — at le.ist \\ilh all seig- 
 niors who had not lieeii compensated for the 
 surrender of rights of this kind. I believe Uiat 
 in some cases comnensation was made, and the 
 Commissioners determined the amount, the ef- 
 fect of which, however, was simply to eonnriii 
 the c. iisi/'iii'-.i u\ ihi.- cesaion of fishing rights 
 made lo tliein by ibe ."^i-igniois by virlue of their 
 sjiecial grants. IJiit the rights tliHS paid for 
 had nit reverted to the Crown, and it was not 
 proposed by the l)ili lo interfere with fhem 
 otlicrwise than to regulati- the iniiniier in which 
 they should be exercised, so that ihey would 
 not prejudice those of other jiarties who had ob- 
 t.iined grunts from the Crown, nor Injure t'lC 
 public. 
 
 Hon. Mr. KVAN begged to ask if the Talents 
 indicated the times or seasons when llie rights 
 lo fish might be e.\ercised, for if not, ai*d the 
 (iovernment desired to protect a most valuable 
 braiich of our industrj', tliey would lind it ne- 
 ces.sary to interfere in this particular. 
 
 Hon. -Mr. Lin'KLLIKll — It would he neccr- 
 sary in such a case to compensate tlio parlies. 
 
 Hon. .Mr. CAMI'lJELL-There was no purpose 
 or inlenlion whatever to take away any right 
 really owned, but to regulate its use, arid that 
 (udy to subserve the general interest. The 
 liCgislaUire had, on one or two occat^ions?, inter- 
 fered with such rights, lut the law nassed with 
 that view was found not to be practicable, and 
 not being observed, had been repealed. The 
 act in question was the 18tli Vict., w.Icli for- 
 bid the \i^<i of jelf-acting machines, aud niadt 
 .some special [.rovisions rc-pecling the salmon, 
 trout and uiaskinongc' lislieries. The bru.di 
 weirs mentioned were ti.xed engines, buL tli« 
 bill now before tliD House did not propose to 
 interfere with them to the extent of putting 
 thotn iiside, but to bring llieni under wholesome 
 rcguiaiioiis, oO as to prevonl their injuring the 
 rights of ollioi- parties and the puldic. In every 
 
(t 
 
 • - ^* -m 
 
 iiii-'i ia;c thi* ipiHrttiufi wmilit lo «iip of fiict, tu 
 \, • <[i-.\U Hilli au lU iiivril.-', ttiiit if it wha found 
 llirti till' i)i'i|{iniil piiii'iit iiii»lioriz»-il the use of u 
 linidh 'vc'f, ttiiii that tin- InIh-it lutil bi-eii 
 l>iirri»i«'(l ill lliut wiu , tlio ii|;hl woiiM Im con- 
 tiuued to tiic |io8!ie8aor. I 'ifiprclieiid (hat 
 nn roi;<ndd liio tislii'.ic.i of otlior Uicalilics which 
 ^l.■ll)ll^: laidoublcilly to tlm Cniwn. no ditlU'ully 
 • -.iM iiiiM'. Thi; jfuvoiriiiuMt limy iiut luorfly rc- 
 irul.ili! mid tciliitl tlu'iu, butul.-o jirescrilit! ilie 
 jnodi- of tisliinp;. Snould CLTtaiii ciiKiiuM lio 
 f)und injiiiiinj-t, iho (l )VcrnnQciil iiicy even dtny 
 
 llli '.:• il-ir. Thi- would 1)0 gOVcril 'il nllliost 011- 
 
 lir.'ly hy the nlj.-ohiio need of doiiij; so, mid iii<; 
 ■"iiL-iitioM of the oci'ii|iici-j iiiidiT lici.'iis''s iind 
 le •.-•iM. Siii'h ronti:ijc<'ncy hCLni.s to he provid- 
 ed f'lf hy tilipiihitions Ui lliesc uoiiinict-i, binding 
 tho liohliT.s to confoini to%vhatuver rcqu rcnicnta 
 (-ii')uld h>.' lit liny time made. It would, 1 cnii- 
 t, iv. , inoii; p;irticul.irly a)iii!y lo the srthuiii 
 tind lidiii lidlii'ne.^. t^o fur for Lower ('aiiadu. 
 
 In Upper G'aiiiida tho riKJil of li.-hinjj 
 w.i^ altoijeilicr m lln' li.mdH cf the CrcAvn, or 
 hehi by the Crown for thi; pid.lie or for tin- In- 
 dians, mid I'lirMiiinriil waa lliereforo al libeily 
 li> make sncli Ip.wh t n t .o sulijecl as niiyht l-o 
 considered deriiruhk!. Willi tiieso views 1 now 
 ri>'-in' to ask the House to assist in framing n 
 bill wl^jc 1 will previ'iit tho nse of tixod eii^fincs 
 in :* way detractive of the (iiiicries, and »mUmi- 
 -ated to make ihcm more huraiivo to the pa- 
 tenioes, and more bcnidieial In tlic country. Tin- 
 iiQxt9tii.(e of the in'|iiiry was us to the actual 
 II cans now einphiycd in tho I'rovincu for c.ilcii- 
 11;;^ nsh. In Lower Canada liiere were s^ever.il 
 kiiidd of uet.s ascd, •■-•pceiiilly tor the taking of 
 palmoii, whi'li wa.M a 'i.-ihery o| eoiiaideialile im- 
 portance, since in I hi' year IbO;'., the value of 
 tills fish c/iuglii Wad CHtiniaifd nl ;• Hh,0(iO, 
 t'lou^ih lliio fell far f-liort of the actual value, 
 for tlie Sum only iiu'luded the salmon cured ami 
 packed, not thobO ciiuglit fr.-sh ami consumed, 
 oi'scdd in the market-:. The nets used in catch- 
 iiig salmon npp"ar to bo of three kinds, chaniie. 
 lior or barrier ii"t, the iiiakc net, and lloat ret. 
 NuW tho gtullemcn to whom ho ha<l before re- 
 tevred, asdesiriiip loabidish all liifd eiisijines tor 
 t.bi- catching iif fish, innl-ilaiiied thac this had 
 been done in Kiiglaiid ; lait in this respect they 
 v.T.re nut 'j'vte correct, as wcaild he presently 
 bhown. W'.iat seemrd to he iltsirable was that 
 the Cii'^ines, of %vhatever kind, ihouUI be su ar- 
 r.;!/r-ii ;i-* To jiermi' flic li-h to ])ad.=i up to their 
 biC". dill': iironnds. 11 -n. membu-rs would call 
 to mind tlirtt this sukjeci had attracted the at- 
 tention of I'arliamciit not long since, and that a 
 Committee bad beoa s'.ruck to examine closely 
 iUo it; thut the amateur fisliormen had strong- 
 ly pressed their views, bnt that another class of 
 M itneases, bciugprae.ical men, jierfectly com- 
 ]»etei.' to ;;ivo rfliablo opinions bad been 
 :il;;o htard. A.nong these witnesses 
 titcre was u decided opiiiiou that sein- 
 ms i^'T ealmoii, as a substilutx) for otiier modes 
 v)f liihing, i.? imiirscticablc in the main Wt. Law- 
 mice, :ind il Mould be deoiruoiive to allow svinc? 
 
 iu tho fiv;)h waUt.s afi ia done iti liritain. Other 
 I pvrsomi iiUo i:ni:ii|.'ed irt the trudn had Iktii 
 , heard, and had dcjiobed to the bamo pfTecl. Il 
 wan clear then that salmon were chiefly caught 
 in thi-< manner, tin* hni.«h weirs being 
 used hIso for taking other kirida of fish. 
 In I'pper ('anada they use three kindii 
 of noirt, Hciiies, gill nets, and jioiind nets 
 'i'fiese last, it appeared, were sometimes atretch- 
 I ed llie whole way across the luontlH of creeks 
 i or rivers and so prevented the fish tVoin going 
 ; lip, and thin praciicfl whs regarded as very injur- 
 ious ; but gill nets hei at proper limes 
 I ilid not seem to be more objcciionablo than 
 ; oilier net-.. As to the accounis which had been 
 : published iu the newspapers of the immense in- 
 I crease in the catch of fish in (treat Hritain con- 
 , sequent as was ulleged ii])oii the nliolishment of 
 fixed en^rines, they should 111' t.iken with some 
 1 iillowance, for, aniioiigh many fixed engines had 
 ; been abolished by law they had not all been, 
 ' but the use of those that remainetl had been re- 
 I giilated as was i)ro|Coseil I'l lie done in Canada 
 ; by this bill. It was well known that in Kng- 
 ^ land, in former times, the means nseil to calcli 
 ' fish had lieen even much more objectionable 
 I than those employed in Canndn, but the njcenl 
 ! enactments wliicli had set aside the modern ob- 
 jeclioinhli! engines had respect id the old aiidau- 
 ! cient m<idi'.-> as vested ri;4his, imd confined itself 
 I to re;jciili»'ing them. The manner and extent of 
 1 this altiratiiui are fully di t.'iiled in the reports 
 \ made to the Imperial j'arliamenl on the subject 
 j in resjiect of tlie salmon lisluries of the United 
 Kingdom. Now, the enacijng daus'..' in the law 
 ' of ICngland which had been appealed to so con- 
 fidenily by the amateurs in this country as abo- 
 ] lishing all fixed engines had, on the contrary, 
 expressly reserved esisiing right.'*. I will read 
 ' it for the i;itormatiou of the House. 
 
 Il is .section II of the "24 and 'Jjvic.,cap.lO!» ; 
 • " .\o filed enpitie of any description shall be 
 placed or used for catching s.ilmon in any in- 
 j land or tidal waters •. and any engine jilaced or 
 : used in conlravcutioii of this section may be 
 I taken possession of or destroyed | and any 
 I engine so jdaced or tised, and any salmon 
 ' taken by such engine, shall bo forfeited, iind, 
 ; in addition thereto, the owner of any engine 
 placed or used in coutravenlion of this section 
 , shall, for euidi day of so placing or using the same, 
 I incur a penalty not exceeding ten pounds ; and 
 for the jmrposes of this section a net that is 
 I secured by anchors, or otherwise temporarily 
 j fixed to the soil, shall be deemed to be a lixed 
 ei'.ginc, but ibis section shall not affect any an- 
 ' cient rigiil or mode of fishing a? hiw fully exer- 
 ' ciscd at the time of the passing of this act 
 by any person, by virtue of any grant or charter 
 or immemorial usage : provided always, that 
 nothing m this section contained shall be deem- 
 ed to apply to fishing widrs or fishing mill- 
 dams.'' This clause establishes conclusively, 
 I think, that even in Britain where so many and 
 fiuch advanced improvements have been made 
 in respect of oahiion fishery legk-^latioii, they 
 
 ittve not yet g 
 ixrd methods < 
 u n vvy n ■ 't 
 •art'eulnr i •. i 
 will read t lie ei 
 •efnusf it ha.s i 
 Ulsion, Hiid coi 
 M advancemei 
 Qg the fisheru'i 
 IthFebnr-y, 
 OOii-li.iher foi' 
 lUbiish bell I w, 
 Qea-^iire^ of legi 
 olve thn saliiio 
 
 rOUld hf: Ih^' VV 
 
 • • 
 
 To ttbolish all 
 mch aa we di-1 
 talices, be to s 
 ears' tltk, and 
 ion We can IV 
 a thiuki'ig th.it 
 II ♦ e;u-.y to arr^ 
 ill would li>> ! 
 Poni I'arliiuieMii 
 at careT of sal 
 I0li-=5iires propo; 
 oulill'ss eifei t 
 lUoit too ?\:\m 
 rbich woulil be 
 
 Ilnn. Mr. LK 
 ref ilu' iiarii:-j 
 ftb- fiiidfciic 
 lit fi-ie'rmcn > 
 
 Hon. M,. i:.\' 
 u( u:j I, .111 1)0 'J 
 ) wliicli li.i'y I 
 inte it rccogni/ 
 I *d the tii.iiiiv 
 I ffiiiild I " .^een 
 r.)vid'."! cnc im 
 'hicli exK-nded 
 'M t-o lie a ira 
 Urpose of alio 
 imani"-. This 
 (MS .-^uitod b) tl 
 fish, tfic const 
 land of w;it<r p 
 elog. as it ha^ 
 IW, an nrbitrnr 
 nd such a' ii 
 ni in some i 
 mply sue!; as 
 : is therefore 
 lako tlio law a,^ 
 ) possible. In 
 »r fis,hway3, in 
 •Mte of water, 
 
 i^iotit beihir 
 i^d in this Hi! 
 iVfcriablc palte; 
 iftll i)o kept 01 
 i«ll be kept o 
 ai, that even 
 
ne in Hriiiiin. Other 
 lie trudft liiul l>crti 
 llie aaiDo rITfcl. It 
 were chiefly r/inghl 
 hiiisli weirs bein(;j 
 ivr kinds uf thh. 
 use tlirro kiiidy 
 H, and poiitid nets 
 
 10 sometimes alrcloh- 
 le iiioutjjsi of crt-eks 
 tlic tisli tVorn K^i^K 
 garded as vory iiijiir- 
 
 iit |>roii(i" limes 
 ohjcciionuble tlmii 
 iiini-i wliieli lull) V)pon 
 .^ of tlie immense in- 
 n itpMit Uritiiin con- 
 III liie iilidii.Hlimcnt of 
 u' l.ikeii witii some 
 my (ixeil en|,'iiios had 
 ■ iiad not 111! heen, 
 inuined had been re- 
 lie done in ("anadti 
 known thnt in Knp- 
 iieans nscii to e.ilch 
 n)uic object ionahin 
 pridii, but the recent 
 isiile I he modern ob- 
 lecti (1 th(^ old and.'iu- 
 i.s, 11 nd conliued itself 
 i):>niier and extent of 
 (aih-J in the re|iorl.4 
 anient on the subject 
 heries of tlic United 
 iuj,' ciaus'..' in tlie hiw 
 
 I appealed to .-to cnn- 
 liiij country nn abo- 
 d, on the contrary, 
 
 rJRhls. I will read 
 L' llonae, 
 
 and 2Jvic.,ca]>.10!> ; 
 de3crii>tion aliall be 
 g salmon in any in- 
 any engine placed or 
 thi.s section may be ■ 
 \stroyed ; and any 
 d, and any salniim 
 
 11 Iw forfeited, and, 
 iwner of any engine 
 ulion of lliid section 
 ingor using the same, 
 ing ten pounds ; and 
 section a net lliat id 
 herwise temporarily 
 eemed to be a lixed 
 
 II not ulfect any an- 
 iug n? Liwfully exer- 
 
 pnsaiing of this act 
 any grant or charter 
 ovide<l always, that 
 laiucd shall be deem- 
 eirs or fishing mill- 
 iblishes conclusively, 
 1 where so many and 
 its liave been m.ido 
 •ry legislation, they 
 
 ittve not yet g'.ae to ihv <'xttiil of ubol miK 
 iU<l melhod-i of firthing. (ndeOd, I iind, that 
 u Ik vry 1(1 "lit niiiiiijer oi' the London /'cVc/, 
 •Rft'eulnr i. fence i. made to this (luestloii, 
 
 will read tiie exira't Irotn tlm editorial cihimiij 
 •efAuse it ha.'i a peruiiar bearing on thid dis- 
 msion, and cnnie.^ from a journal dovnled to 
 M advanceuient. of proteciive m*a'5'ire'4 alVed- 
 ng llie lisiierii'H. I reart iVo'u Tin' It. Id of 
 
 1th Fehni;."y, lHGr» :— " A letter from ' A 8al- 
 OOn-li.ili^r fur the Ir.s' M'iriy-yi.irs,' wliich we, 
 lUblish hflow, p'oii .wa sonir very Bweepintr 
 QWi^iiivs of legislation. No doubt they wmld 
 olvp the Kulnuui ipie^ition, tliough tlie process 
 
 rotild hfc Ih:- vvcII-Unowp. tinrdian out. ' • • 
 • •••• ••• 
 
 ToHbolish all n.iod ml^, wiers, eruive*, Ac, 
 mch as we di-lik.e vhetii, wotdd in maay in- 
 tan cen, i)c to abolish [iropertyof* thousand 
 ears' tilk, and would bu wholeiale cn-iHsca- 
 iou We cannot agree with our Cii'esptnidcul 
 a tliiukiug that luc.^c details would bo found at 
 
 II ' p;u-.y loarra .,;e,' and we doubt if any such 
 
 III would bi> likely to obliiiii "ven a heailng 
 "oni I'arliaiiiont. We are cjoing 'ill fast in 
 Uf careT ol'salm jh lep;i.'^l;'.lion as it i.', I'Ul tl:« 
 leasnres propo. ed by niu- t")rre.=[ iriUcnt, hough 
 oabll's.1 eifi.'etive in the liighe.^t denrpc, are 
 iiKh ton =i:->)ng nteat f'T ihu wlmIc Kt'inachs 
 rhjch wmild he o.iiled on tn diu'est it." 
 
 Hun. .Mr. LP: ■l-|'!.MKlv Dk ST JUST— Who 
 refe till', jiarii.- tli..l ine-^.-icd for the aleiliiion 
 ftbe fiii il engines, tiic aniMteur lishermt.n or 
 iiA (i-iii'rnien w'.o TKirsucd fiihit'g as a bui.!. 
 e«B ? 
 
 Hon. M,. t.'AMI.'I'KI.L— The f-rmcr chiefly, 
 m U:J ImuI lio J >l,'i\vn, i!ie very Knglish lavv 
 > wiiieh tl.ey ap;..nh'd dM not bear them our, 
 infe it recogni/.C'd old rights, ami lUifcly rogu- 
 » ed the unun'T f.!''xcrei-ing Ihetn in future, 
 t. Would 1 •■ ><een, h-iw 'ver, that the Kngli.sh la»v 
 Mvid'."! one iui|)oii.int change intiie jiiill-dams 
 'hfcli extended rignl aeros-i thr? stream--. There 
 'as lo tre a gat.' in such d'uns foi' the e.xpre.sa 
 urpiii^e of iillowing 'I.e li.sh to pass up the 
 ir«ani>-\ This r-i.-- is r"ipiired l(j Li- of diiniii- 
 0|>s ,s,jiti.'d to the Hi;',e of the ;-;ri'.an», tlie kinds 
 fish, It.e construction if the ilani, and the d/- 
 land of \v!iter power for the mill. luBiead of 
 eing. as it ha^ been in Canada under the nld 
 iW, an nrbiti'nry s' ■iCture, open at all titacs, 
 ad sueli n' iii many idaee? wa.^ inefT'-etu'il. 
 aO in some imjio.^'^ihlo tn build, it wiU lo 
 miily stic!; as shall sei'vc a jiraetical pur;:.j, e. 
 : is tlu?reforo (Ksirallc, in thin p'spect, to 
 take tlio law a.i cigy and a>j little burii"n*>.iino 
 J possible. In=itead of lia\Ipgoae fixed size 
 >r fia.hway3, iuvo'ving in inutij easo.s n great 
 •»8le of water, Iii.. i a large outlay r.r money, 
 itjiont lieiniT praetici'ly elfectivc, it is pro- 
 iil^d in this HiT, thit they .shall not be of ono 
 i^riablo pattern — iinr i,-: it intended that they 
 ildl iiii kept open at all time.J. But, that they 
 l$ll be kept opei, at e::sential periods only, 
 nl, that tvcu then they «iuill not waGte an 
 ••.s.'.Ti-y quantity cf v.a''T. Wh'ui the 
 
 \ 
 
 •altuon or i.>tU'r fi^h iiie rutiningup, these psuitei 
 will of course lia\e to be 0| en«J, nt other times 
 there Is no le.i-tou m h«»tf.'ver, why they nhould 
 not be cloBed. (Hear.) The proper litnej will be 
 tlxrd ny the local OTerfiuer. It it aUo proposed 
 that, aii the public ure interested in thesn litih- 
 ways, which are not fur the benefit of any einglo 
 ' individual, and as it wouhi be homewlmt uu- 
 ' fair to impose on thf owners of mill-dams tho 
 nolo ex]iense of making Ihoin, tho public, 
 through tho Commissionor of Crown Landd, 
 hhall I'car half the expense of constructing 
 them. ThiJ expense can not be considerable 
 at any of the mill-dains, and it ia projiosed to 
 Bliar»' it between tho Government and tho pro- 
 [irieiors. This seems to have beun the plan 
 which observation ha.) shown to be the most 
 likely to attain the ivcpiired end. Tho r;ile in 
 t]uglad is '.lot tliat wiiicli has hitherto been in 
 force in tiils country — it does not say wiiu 
 respect lo all Hireams, that Ihcro shall bo a 
 fish-way so many yards wide, and so long or 
 deep, but that there shall bo a (ishwny of the 
 size which will ansv.-cr the purpose for which it 
 is built — wide enough and large enough to 
 allow the (ish to p'ta.s, and that the proprietor 
 of every uill-dam shall attach to it a fish-pass 
 of Buch dimensions ns the Home Oilice may 
 prescrilie. Thi.j is made imiieniiivc by the 23rd 
 clause of the Kngii.ih ;>:ilmon Fi»herie.-< Act, 
 but no arbitrary model is proscilijcd, and the 
 jiassage of li-h i,^ thus accoinmodaij'd without 
 injury to the milling power. This j,lan hag 
 been found by experi^uia* lo be the Ix'st In 
 J]ngland for accompli.diing a much desired pur- 
 pose without doiii}!: unnecessary injury to the 
 ovv.'ier of the null, and this is the p' ui iiovv in- 
 tended to be adopted by the present bill. (Hoar.) 
 I)oiibtlc.'.s in tlii.-j, as in many other respects, tho 
 old law hag been very defoetive ; but being the 
 first essay, so much could not \m: expected aM 
 from a newer measure. I desire to nieutiou 
 here liial the then Fishery Supenutcndeni U enli- 
 tlea to every jmiLseas the author of the old act. 
 It is, in the next plac<«, proposed to chaiige to a 
 considerable exunt the close se^isoiis, that i.s, 
 the S(\isuus when no fishing shall be carried on. 
 I am of course aware that varieties of npin- 
 ion exist on this point, and that views did'er as 
 to the bejJt periods for prohibiting fishing. 
 During the preparation of this bill, I liaveheMrd 
 a nu'iibcr iif different opinions expressed by 
 jiersoi..^ lioiu various jiarts of the country it 
 lii.'iii^ Mcvertlicle.ss almost impo.ssibie to get aiiy 
 very strong expression of opinioti from any con- 
 siderable number of persons in any direction. 
 Allhougli iln-ic ara diverge opinions upon the 
 exact clo.^e time, liicrc is a goueral concurrencjc 
 ill the need of some close jieriods. We have 
 thought it best to make iIjc clo.se time a inoder- 
 uto one— -not to give it any uudur; exfcasion, 
 but to go so far only as is ivbsolu'cly necessary 
 for tho protection of fish when spawning; and I 
 will read to the House a tabic showing in contrast 
 the close periods under the old bill and those 
 which it is propoiicd to ndof tunder the new one. 
 
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 tidii li,n bten f,'oiiip on, iiiiil it i.^ imw jirfijut-- 
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 Hon. Mr. SIMl'SO.V.—Tlmt won't .lo. 
 
 Hon. Mr. CAMl'I'KM,. My lion, frioii' 
 will pat'loii niP Cor n moment. We propose li 
 allow fiili to lie cai'.Tflit in ^111 nct-t at ati\ 
 piM'iotl heforn >fov. l;')tli — 
 
 Hon. Mr. SIMI'.SO.V.— TIml will do. 
 
 Hon. Mv. CAMI'MEI.r-— .-^o tlmt t!i"v -o' 
 the whole <iin;mer fri'f. from «eine fi-iliinjj, luf 
 are not to he protecled aj^niii^t fi.sliin^j wiMi ;,'il: 
 nclii, wliicli takoa place in ileeprr and culde; 
 water, when- tin- Mi :uo in good condition 
 until after tlie latli \ovenili(r, wliieli coinpri.-*''- 
 al)out one-lialf ( f 1l-.e avcrn;^c •spawning -iea.-oii 
 
 )lun. Mr. SIMl'SO.V.— Tliat will do. ; 
 would even be willing to have the dale li.ud u; 
 the l?t Nov(nd)er. Wilho'it any 'nieslion what 
 ever, tl:e wiiito ri,-.li, wliieii is one of the line.- ' 
 fish we can get, lirceds in XovemlK-r, at ihr 
 .snnio time as liie -lalnion. Tluy go to the have; 
 part of the lake then, and get npoii the .s-and 
 hanks, Aviierc they sjiawn. [ think my hop 
 frienil is ritjlit now. 
 
 Hon. .Mr. (.'A.MI'HICLL ■— I am very glad m 
 hon. friend from llovrmanvillo is of that opi 
 nion. Tlie hon. niemUer fn. ni Victoria (Hon 
 Mr. Ryan) thinks that, with reference to trow; 
 the close season ni'MUioncd i.s not siillieicni 
 Well, I only wi.di to inform the House of ili. 
 character of tl v liili. and il will bo referied l- 
 a ('omniittee of the llonse, comjjosfd of thosi 
 hon. gentlemen who, I think, have most ac- 
 tpinintancc with the .sidyect. I have, however, 
 great reliance on the e.xpi-riencc which has led 
 to tlu; li.xing of the ]ieriod.-i given, for it i.-; no: 
 that of a single person only, or even of a .singh 
 class of persons engaged or interested in fi.-hin^' 
 but has been gathered from the various ojiinion 
 and views of all persons and e.l.isses, und I ;iii 
 disposed to think we had l)etter not depai- 
 from it e.Tcept on evidence mnch stronger thaii 
 any this House has yet had before it. ^ Hear. 
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 with iTlV'fcii'-i' t') trout 
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 The fry of these fslies not to he killed at aiiv time. 
 
 Hon. Mr. I.ETKLLIER Dk St. JUST.— 
 ' How will you do in eases where people have 
 standing ti.-jhcries? Will yon oblige a man 
 who has a salmon fisherj', which he wishes to 
 oontiniie in the fall, not for salmon bnt tor 
 (rther fish, to take it away ? 
 
 Is Hon. Mr. UYAX. — Let the salmon go, after j 
 ftey are taken. 
 
 lion. Mr. LKTKLLIKR.— It id rery hard to , 
 let them go. I don't believe any member of j 
 rhe House who had taken a fine salmon would 
 lot it go, esiiecially if tlu' next day happened to 
 be a Friday. (Tiaii;;l:ter,) Well, t!ie'f> fisheries 
 i»re dry twiip a day— they are set in tlso ^jfring, 
 (^ continue for the whole sea^-oii — and their 
 
 owiiiT.H ail' hIwhv* i'.\|t' M-ii In kill >';i!tii'in, Im-- 
 <':iii:ii> t liiu Haltiioii is out of the \Mttei' fur a lew 
 iiiinntey, it i.i Mirc to die. Now I a^k, and the 
 ijtie.slion dt'iierve.^ great eoniideralion on iIm' . 
 pari of III"' Hon, (-'oihUii-t->i"i.er uf ('rown Land-, ' 
 wlii'/((> niea-ure, m fiir a.-t I cnii juilg'', i-t vei\ 
 iiiiH !i better than that we now have, i< tin- 
 killing if yiilmon in the f.slieries to Ke a piini.-»h- 
 :ibl.' oH'ciiee? I know llii; faetJ, and feel that 
 the law cannot be applied in thi.^ respeel wiih- 
 I'Ul grosy iiijustii'e (o tho si clioii of countiy In - 
 iwift!, I may .-ny, IVrthier or llt'aninoni 
 ' d Ihe Disliiet of Kiiiiiuiski, and farther, tint) 
 '■i lioiiaventuri', for, in all parl.H of that eoii't 
 line, the li.slierie.^ are li.ved in tlio .spring and 
 .'land i.ntil the tall, during all whieh tinii' llieiv 
 \-i a chance that ^aiinoii niiiv ei;nie into ihi ni. 
 lIoii.Mr. C.\M1'1;KLI,.— Iti such ea.ses it will 
 !»• the d'uly {if the owneiM of the fisheries to .-^et 
 the .salmon that may nccidentally eome into the 
 iirt at liberty, as is provided for by one of the 
 elait.ao^ of the Mill. 1 know of no other coiiise. 
 If the li.-;h should be kilhd, it will be for tlir 
 oviTsecr to take the facts into consideration when 
 1-1 iiiplaint ii? made. Iti.«, however, impossible 
 to say, (111 the one hand, thaf there shall be a 
 elo-e season f(u* salmon, during which they 
 si all not be taken, and on the other, that in 
 eerlain eases they may nevertheless be caught. 
 I sii|i|Kise any man, wiio might kill iisli in the 
 way de>eribeil by my lion, fru'iid, might, under 
 iliis I'.ill, pli'iid the fnfits atul practice of /c///'^ 
 j!il'\t in e.\teiiiia'. ion. 
 
 lion. Mr. MWRMdl'llt-l know tlint umhr 
 l! c present law peojile have been obliged in 
 .-oiiKi cades io open their ti^heli(•s allogfthcr, for 
 liie over.-»eers have fuid, '• if yon don't open them 
 yon will be sued," so that they not only did not 
 take salinmi but lost theopi)ortuuiiy of catching 
 the otlii'r lish they had aright to take under the 
 concessionof their fishery from '.lie I'lvneh gov- 
 ernment. The date fi.^ed for herrings will |irevent 
 their being caught in the St. liawrence at the 
 best Sanson. 
 
 lion. Mr. MOOHK— The only way will bo to 
 Impose a penalty on the salmon for going into 
 the net. ( Laughter. ] 
 
 Hon. Mr C.XMPHHM,— The close season for 
 herring in [,ower (Janaila applies only to the 
 lishingofthe inland lakes. 
 
 Hon. Mr. LHTKLMKIi— Tlmt will do, 
 
 Hon. Mr. CAMI'HKLIi— Then I ju-opose to 
 introduce 11 system 1 find in use in Knglaud and 
 Scoll.ind, whieh is attended there with the most 
 satisfactory resiiVts. It is new to this country, 
 but I hope it will receive the assent of this 
 House and of the Legislature. I propose that 
 there shall be a weekly close season. (Hear.) 
 In England and Scotland, for .'16 hours, com- 
 mencing on Saturday night and terminating on 
 Moiidny morning, tlie salmon nets are lifted, or 
 Home niiJijure is takea to allow tlie fish to pass 
 t!a- nets, r thinl\ il is dciirabk', in tlic iniorest 
 of the f»hcries, that there should occasionally 
 
10 
 
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 be tifrw run fo- the fish, and 1 believe the res- 
 triotifin uovv proposed will be u wholcsuuie one, 
 iitid be beneficial us well to the fishermeii ihom- 
 nelved H8 to the public. It will not <lo to put 
 the fishermen to any great inconvenience to 
 observe such a reatrictiun, hut I apprehend that 
 by the meana sui,'i^e3lej ia the bill it can be 
 don« witiiout much inconveuienco. In most 
 in"*tunce.s the stake nets for salmon arc connect- 
 ed with the sliuro by a "leader" or "guide," 
 and the fish on their way up the stream meet- 
 ing with this oljstruction, fiadinjx it bars their 
 pa.ssage, swim down along the " leader" and g"* 
 into the " pound," wiiere they are captured, or 
 arc meshed in the (jill or float nets. A free run 
 can conseaaenlly be given them by simply lift- 
 ing the "guides," and the hill provides that they 
 shall be lifted or lowered for 36 hours, from low 
 tide on Saturday to low tide on Monday. 
 
 Hon. MrLETRLLIER— So the fishermen will 
 not be able to work on Sunday. 
 
 Hon. Mr. CAMPBELL— I take Sunday ag 
 probably the most coavenienl, becan^e many 
 pcoole do Dut hsh on that day, but what I want 
 if) the 3<; hour.? free run, whether on Sunday or 
 any other day of the week. (Hear, hear.) 
 
 Hon. Mr. MOORE — in em.ill stream?, in 
 which we now find nets fixed across the whole 
 breadth, it should ho provided that they shall 
 bi' fixed across half the wid.h uf tlie stream 
 only. 
 
 Hon. Mr. CAMPBELIi — Provision is made in 
 the 1)111 against the niain channel fs! reams be- 
 ing obstrucleJ, and the clau.se is as follows : — 
 
 " The main channel or course of any stream 
 shall not be obstructed by any nets or other 
 fishing apparatus ; and on., third of the course 
 of any river or stream, and not less than two- 
 thirds of the mMiii channel at low tide, in every 
 tidal stream, shall be always left open : Pro- 
 vided that v/eirs used exclwsively for catching 
 eels, and the usage of mill-dams for catching 
 eel?, shall be subject to interference only in 
 ca,ses where, and at times when, they injure 
 other fisheries, or by comjilctely barring any 
 passage, aliall deprive other weirs of a share in 
 the run of eels; and such place, time, «!id 
 circumstance, may be determined by any fish- 
 ery officer." 
 
 I speak now, howcrer, in reference to those 
 nets which are coniected with the shore. 
 In large streams, as my honorable friend 
 we!! knows, the fish do not to any great 
 cxlcat go up the middle — they go up at the 
 Bides, "ud if yen desire to do what i,^ fair to 
 those who have fishing rights up the rivers, it is 
 only reas(»nable to give thirty-six hours of an 
 open period during whie,h the fish can run up. 
 (He.ir.) A further alteration 1 propose to make 
 affecling the stationary fisheries for salmon, is 
 lo prohibit gill or float nets being placed as ev- 
 lension of the chandelier nets outside of the 
 pound. 
 
 Hon. Mr. MOORE— T would give tliem even 
 
 more tb^u that, tsir — I would give them half the 
 time open would bare the nets lifted either by 
 night or day. 
 
 Hon. Mr. CAMPBELL— The lists, it will be 
 observed, are not to be lifted altogether, but u 
 part is to be removed or drawn aside like a cur- 
 tiiin, tu give the iish free way. An objecliou 
 seems to have been taken that this would be 
 impossible iu practice, but that is met by the 
 Fishery Commissioners in England, in language 
 bufliciently strong losbow that these nets which 
 are connected with the shore by " guides," can 
 very easily he lifted inthi.-. partial manner. It 
 is said ia their report : — 
 
 " Many wituesoas contended that if fixed nets 
 " and engines are not to be wholly prohibited, 
 " there is no sound reason why the weekly close 
 " time aiiaU not be extended to them. Indeed, 
 " some contend not only that the weekly close 
 " time should be applied to all fishing, but that 
 '■ it should be enlarged so as to last 48 hours in- 
 " stead of 3G. It has been said that there would 
 " bj great difficulty in tlie observance of a 
 " weekly close time with regard to bag nets, 
 " vviiich are entirely in the sea below low water 
 " mark, on account of storms, in which it would 
 " be impos,sibIe to take up the chamber of tho 
 " net, but tjuch occasions would propably not be 
 " of frequent occurrence, and no great diflBculty 
 " is now fi)uud in enforcing a weekly close time 
 " iu tiiC case of bag nets tn Ireland, although it 
 " Avas not observed when first established. In 
 '• the case of slake nets, which are placed on 
 " the shore between high and low water marks, 
 " and ai'c dry at low water, it is not euggested 
 " that there would be any difliculty iu the ob- 
 " aervaucc of a weekly close time.' 
 
 There is thus no difficulty there, although it is 
 quite as stormy on the British and Irish coasti 
 as it ii in the St. Lawrence, and I do not ap- 
 prehend that after a fair trial any difficulty 
 would he found liere ciiher. I look on this re- 
 strictioi'. as a point of very great importance, 
 and likely to enhance th.e value of the tishcries 
 to a great extent. [Hear, hear.] I have also 
 heard un objeciion made to the clause of the 
 bill under which tho pounds of brush-weirs 
 must be closed for 3(3 hours. It is proposed to 
 close thotn in this way: that tiiero shall be 
 gates at the entrances of these pounds, made of 
 the same kind of nicker work as the rest of the 
 weir, \\ iiich are to be closed for the 36 hours 
 meulioni'd, to prevent the fish from entering 
 the enclosure .and thus alli..v them pass up 
 tlie streams. This can be done without much 
 expense, and is a very desirable measure. 
 
 llou. Mr. MOORE— The difficulty will be in 
 enforcing tho closing of these gates. 
 
 lion. Mr. CAMPBELL.— For that we must 
 depend, to a gre.it extent, on the overseers, 
 but to a greater extent oa the spread of the im- 
 l)ression that to give the fish this free period 
 will enhance the value of the fisheries to every- 
 body, i hope Mild trust tliflt when the people 
 
 (ccuuio inipres.' 
 AfUlingly obey i 
 •a the Histigou 
 la this subject 
 )a this point, 
 ween \ew Bri 
 ivflrywhere vei 
 Jransvvick p' o 
 Mjfoss their par 
 liftns cannot pi 
 Iqe encroachtu 
 wlongs lo Cai 
 ip at all, tho 
 
 Hon. Mr. LI 
 md they are ip. 
 
 Hon. Mr. C. 
 
 ^tcd by the d 
 
 ;r«at advantag 
 
 fate the evil, 
 
 reely along ou 
 
 aded by this 
 
 {Ottche, I ough 
 
 ira being mad( 
 
 Jronswick to a 
 
 lOpe tire New 
 
 k Dieasurc of 
 
 hrough their ei 
 
 )Wii, we may 
 
 altnon there li 
 
 ished last yeai 
 
 Jrunswiek, the 
 
 isheries of the 
 
 lOpe that altui 
 
 jorrectiiig iheni 
 
 ihould do awaj 
 
 cinds of nets, 
 
 iUd also of fish 
 
 ,0 be an unl'air 
 
 irietors who ii< 
 
 s found that in 
 
 :rept up of sii 
 
 Aio open spaci 
 
 ijanci', tlieie a 
 
 ake, a mile 
 
 lets arc sir 
 
 vay across thm 
 
 :he passage of 1 
 
 :onie before mo 
 
 ween Drumnu! 
 
 ind near St. J( 
 
 sd across the ei 
 
 in Aiuerican 
 
 ivery passage, i 
 
 y nf the total t 
 
 ndians of the .' 
 
 iggrieved at tL 
 
 I stmilar kind 1 
 
 )f the country 
 
 roin Burliiiglo 
 
 itretched acros; 
 
 )r»vent the iny 
 
 t Is proposed, i 
 
 )US only at i ei 
 
 3 Another i)oi:i 
 
 lurlington taki 
 
 sfaiuse was add 
 
I 
 
 11 
 
 Id give them half the 
 5 nets lifted eitharby 
 
 The nuts, it will be 
 'd altogether, but u 
 awn aside like a cur- 
 way. An objection 
 that this would be 
 that is met by the 
 Ingland, in language 
 hat these nets which 
 rp by " guidea," can 
 partial manner. It 
 
 ded that if fixed nets 
 wholly prohibited, 
 vhy the weekly close 
 id to them. Indeed, 
 Ijat thk! weekly close 
 
 all fishing, but that 
 IS to last 48 hours in- 
 aid that there would 
 le observance of a 
 
 regard to bag nets, 
 sea below low water 
 lis, in which it would 
 the chamber of the 
 ould propably not be 
 id no great difficulty 
 
 a weekly close time 
 
 Ireland, although it 
 i-st established. In 
 ^rhich are placed oa 
 [id low water marks, 
 , it is not Euggt'Sted 
 difficulty iu the ob- 
 ! time' 
 
 there, although it is 
 
 lish and Irish coasti 
 
 , and I do not ap- 
 
 trial any difficulty 
 
 I look on this re- 
 
 grcat importance, 
 
 aluc of the tisheries 
 
 lexr.] I have also 
 
 to the clause of the 
 
 nds of brush- weirs 
 
 s. It is proposed lo 
 
 that tiiero shall be 
 
 ?se pounds, made of 
 
 n'k as the rest of the 
 
 id for the 36 hours 
 
 fi-ih from entering 
 
 lii.v them i)a33 U|) 
 
 done without much 
 
 able measure. 
 
 lifTiculty will be in 
 !3e gates. 
 
 — For that we must 
 t, on the ovt^rseers, 
 le spread of the im- 
 isii this free period 
 10 fibheries to every- 
 iflt when the people 
 
 ictMiiio impresscil kviili this belKf, they will 
 ffUlingiy obey the law. illear.) The ImJiitn.- 
 in the llistigouche river, sent up a deputation 
 la this subject. They lay very great stress 
 iQ this point. It set ms th.ii tlie boundaiT' be- 
 weeu .VeW Hrunswick and Cairulii is almost 
 !V6ry\vhere very near our short*, and the New 
 Jninsvvick pi ople stretch their tiots almost 
 MJfo.ss their part of the river, while the Cana- 
 llAns cannot place any nets at all, without tin- 
 lue eucroachraeiit on the small portion which 
 )eiongs lo Canada. Thus the fish cannot pet 
 ip at ail, the stream being so b.arred by nets. 
 
 Don. Mr. LKTELLIEII. — It is a fine river, 
 ind they are (juite desiroyini; it. 
 
 Hon. .Mr. CAMPBKLL.— W.ll, it was sug- 
 jeitcd by the deputation that ii would be >.f 
 ;reat advantage to the Indian.^ to, at least, ini'i- 
 ;ate the evil, by allowing the salmon to pass 
 "rwly along our shore during the time \)yn- 
 dded by this Bill. Before h'Hviug the Rini- 
 jonclie, I ought to incntioii that arrangements 
 ira being made with the Govermuenl of N'l'w 
 Jron.swick to ad(jpt the same law there, and I 
 lope tin; New Brunswick Ijegishilure will pass 
 t measure of a similar kind, so that purily 
 hrougli their endeavors, and partly through our 
 )Wii, we may prevent the total dcstriicliun of 
 .alnion there In a very interesting /''n/rAwr-, piib- 
 ished last year by the Lieut. Governor of Nw,- 
 Jrunswick, the abuses practised in the salmon 
 isherics of the Ristigouclie are d<'r>cribed. in ilie 
 lOpe liial attention may be directed towards 
 jotreeling them. It has been jiropo.scd that we 
 jhould do away with the system of usiug other 
 iinds of iieis, known ;is liJip and p(iun<l lu'ts, 
 'tud also of fishing wiili .^ill nets, which is said 
 -o bi' an iinrair way wiili icforence to oilier prO' 
 irietors who ciUch fish. In Upjier Canada, it 
 s found that in some locallii(>s the practice has 
 :rept up of stretching net; ontirely acro-s cer- 
 Alnopeii spaces. !n the ]5ay of QniiUc, for in- 
 itaiict', there are certain guis opening into the 
 ake, a mile or t>vo miles in widili, and 
 lets arc stretched absolutely the whole 
 vay across tlmni, thus preventing altogether 
 ;he passage of fish iuto the bay. One ciae has 
 :onie before me i'rom Lake Huron whuro, be- 
 ween Drumiiiond Island and (Jockiiurii Islaud 
 ind near 8t. Joseph's Island, nets were stretch- 
 id tteross the entire chanuel, iu this instance by 
 in American from Cleveland, thus barring 
 ivery passage, and lite people coiii[ilaingrievou3- 
 y rf the total destruction of their fisheries. The 
 adians of tiie Mauitoiilin Islands are esiiecially 
 iggrieved at this. I believe some diflicully ot 
 i Biinilar kind has been experienced iu that part 
 )f the country represented by my hon. friend 
 rotn Burlington (Hon. Mr. Bull), that nets are 
 itretched across some passage there so as to 
 )revent the ingress offish into Burlington Bay, 
 t is proposed, also, to prevent the spearing of 
 )ai8only at ler'aiu jieriods of the year, and this 
 s another poi i. '\ which my lion, friend from 
 Juriington takes great interest ; and indqcd the 
 ilause was added to tlie bill at his suggoPtion. 
 
 (ileiti-.) 1 now rcvt-rt lu the Subject ot wlatc 
 fish. The owners of the gill nets .way ilie fish 
 are being destroyed by the use of the seine ; the 
 owners of seines say the tisti are being ilestroy- 
 ed by tlie use of the gill nets. I will read to 
 the House some of the opiuiiuis bearing upon 
 this branct' ' f the subject. .Mr. Joseph I'ierson, 
 of the tow lip of llillier, and many (jtliers in 
 I'rince Kdward county, where the veiy exteu- 
 sive and highly remunerative white fish fisiieries 
 '■•nee carried on are now nearly d(,'Siroyed, say 
 that the gill nets cause iliis desU'uciion. Mr. 
 Edward Brady, of Consecoii, and others, on tiie 
 oiIkt hand attribute the injuries done i(; the 
 white fish fisheries to seining. The sauie view 
 is expressed by .Mr. Leslie, of Brigiiton, and also 
 b}' the Hon. Mr. Wilkins, of Carrying J'laee. 
 These opinions will demonstrate to the Hou.se 
 that So far as the expression of individual opin- 
 ion goes, (lersons are iniiueuced, as is natural. 
 Some by their own interest and others by local 
 views each ona (when the parties are actual 
 fishermen) desiring lo abolish thai modeof fisti- 
 ing which his neighbi-r or his opfunent carries 
 on. (Hear.) We ja-opose in the oill to allow 
 seine fishing to be continued, but not during 
 the summer months, while the fish are along 
 shore on their profier feeding grounds accom- 
 panied by innumerable fry, which drawing the 
 seine destroys, when, if caught they cannot b- 
 cured, and when they are fiabby and soft. 
 During tlie.-e summer nionth.-;. hcwevor. we pro- 
 jiose to allow ihern to h" langht with 
 gill nets, which are set in deeper arid 
 colder water wlicii the fish are in 
 a b'tier stall', so that they can be seiil lo 
 market eiiiier oi ice or sotr.e other way. (Hear. ) 
 During this time, also ti'i saliucm and salmon 
 trout fisheries are being (Miried fin. The-NC. 
 hoiiorable gentlemen, are the princijiHl (changes 
 we propo.se in this Hill. The system of fi.duug 
 Imunties we propose to coi.iinne, uUuvving it to 
 remain as it is. After ilie bill shall havi- been 
 read a second time, 1 p'opose to refer it lo ii JSpe- 
 cial Committee on which I will endeavour to 
 name those who will take most interest in the mat 
 tcr, who will go through the measure carefully, 
 and i^uggi^stPuch alterations as may be ibiiud ex- 
 pedient or uecessaiy . The House is aware that 
 I had another bill on ttic talkie intended to \n-o- 
 vide for the proper curing, packing and inspect- 
 ing of fish. I have ho)K'd by these two measures 
 lu effect what is most desirable iu vefei'onco to 
 the whole subjcci, botii as lo the catching of 
 fish and the jireparation of them for market 
 after being caught. 1 have, in my own mind, 
 always laid much stress on this valuable trade, 
 and have recently taken pains to inform myself 
 fullj in referenee to it. And although we c;annot 
 legislate on the subject this session, I hope the 
 remarks I have made will remove some misap- 
 prehensions Ihat existed in the public mind — 
 that the im[ircssion will be removed, that in 
 England, Scotland and Ii.laud they have gone 
 to the o.\tcnt of doing awuv with fixed engines 
 — and that if we desire the 30 hours free run, it 
 
 J 
 
l!i 
 
 is in lilt! iiilciol of ilmsii wlm use s',cli fixed 
 engines u.s ueli iiS uf ilie pnblic al liirjre. 1 
 hope tliu uUiniiiie lesnit, will lie that iliis ini- ; 
 porliint trude wiilbcimicli !iu<?uienteii, and that | 
 we shall eventui'lly luive the h.-ilierie8 raiil<ed i 
 (unuiiy the most Viilnaljle ^esuul•^'(^s uf the I'rov- | 
 inee. (Heat-, iiear.) j 
 
 Hon. Mr. .McCIJKA — Has my hon friend 
 o-iiLsidered a dillieiiliy whieli e.xi.st^ in the De- j 
 Iruit lliver, where liie Amerieaiis fish with i 
 Beinc-i with ^malh-r nieslies than those mention- 1 
 ed in tiiis bill? It is plain that ifllieyare al- : 
 lowed to use nels with .-mallei meshes than Ca- 
 nadiims can n.se, onr fi.-.herinen will he working 
 at a disadviintagi'. 
 
 Hon. Mr. CA.MI'HELli The section which 
 relates to this subjoel \a ns follows : — " Seines , 
 fur catching whiielish shall have meshe.5 of not ' 
 less than three inches e.Ktensiun measure, ami 
 shall not exceed 1 Go feet in length; provided i 
 that iu the rivers Niagara, Detroit and Sl Clair, i 
 .sein.s may be n.sed not exceeding three | 
 hundred Ret in length." Of course 
 we can only regulate (jur own law- not that of 
 a foieign country — but it will not be impossible 
 to bring public o[iinion lo bear in the ^tate of . 
 Michigan, and S(j procure the adoption there of \ 
 a law found beneticial here. I 
 
 Hon. Mr. DH iJKArJKL'— We see that judg- 
 ments have been reiulered iu favor of the own- 
 ers; but I think it is evident that these fisheries 
 inusl always be under the coiititjl of the 'aws of 
 Canada, as the^- were when granted subjeci to 
 regulation by the laws of France. The Legis- 
 lalure has, of course, the right to regulate the 
 way in winch fish sh.'.U be taken, and I, for my 
 part, am verj willing to submit to i.ny regula- 
 tions, jirovided liii-y are regularly adojited. 
 [Hear. I Win-re rights of Ii5.|iii!g \Tere graiUed 
 to the Sfiguiors, tlie c(ii!<it<iin's could nut have 
 such rights unless under a concession from the 
 Seignor.-, and the .Seignors were not in the habit 
 t)fmakiiig concessions of this k.iud. 'fhoy, there- 
 fore, in such cases are still propiietiu's of the 
 fisluM'ies granted to them originally. The judg- 
 ments of the Courts have declareil that where 
 conceded lo thetn, the (■«H.s(7(/i'rt','( have the same 
 rights of lishing as the Seigniors had. 
 
 Hon. Sir N. F. 15KLLKAU said, betore the 
 question was put on the second reading of the 
 Hill of his hon. friend, the Commissioner ot 
 (!rown Lands, he desired to offer a few observa- 
 ti(ui3 on the highly important subject which it 
 brought so prominently under the notice of Par- 
 liament and the country. The desirability of 
 affording to our lisheries more ample protection 
 than they had hitherto received, had long com- 
 manded altontion, and he thought when the 
 very liandioni" amount vhich, without ade- 
 (piato [U'On'ctiOii. they ha'd contributed last year 
 to the revenue of the I'roviuce, caniC to be r.m- 
 sidercd, it would be seen how i)rr-eminc:illy 
 iuipuitam, li.iw ab.-ohitely necess ./ in f.ict, u 
 ^^'M lo adopt ]uo»)pt and efllciclous measures 
 to foster this great branch of otir uatijiial re- 
 
 souices and place it iu a jiosilion to become .i 
 [• iiiianciu and more valuable souiee of wealth 
 to the Country. Last ye ir, from the codti.-hery 
 al<)i.<', tile nice, round sum of S7()<i,0<m had 
 iiien derived : aiul whih' on this pjirlicular fea- 
 fure, he would refer to the repiut of tiie Select 
 ri.uuniltee :iiU)oiuted liy thf Legisl.ilivo Assem- 
 bly in MU:'!, lo iu'iuiri! iuto the lisln'rics of the 
 I'rovince and the best mean-^ lo adopt to in- 
 crease ihcir producliveness. lii this rejiorf, thi' 
 Ciuuniiltee, iu a hiding to the cod, suggested 
 llic aboliiion (.f the u~(^ :.i' Ww seine as being too 
 tlestriu live, and of set lines which cause irii- 
 I'aruble danuigo by taking the larger fish, sup- 
 posed to be the mother codfish. He regretted 
 th.il tlic Hon Commissioner of Crown Lands 
 had not adoiited the suggestion of the Commit- 
 tee ill this particular, bni thoirj-ht it was only 
 necessary to call his attention to the matter to 
 have hiia remedy the omission. The report of 
 the G< mmittee was based on tlie evidence of 
 compcuMit, I'raclical men, who giive it as their 
 opinion, loundcd on long experience of fact-', 
 tiiul both tiiose systems of taking the cod were 
 ruinous ami desiiuctivc of t!ie fish, and recjiLred 
 to be remedied. The next feature of impor- 
 tance iu the fisheries wa3 the herring lisheiy. It 
 wa-; 111 incouii'overiil)!e tad lliut tin; heiriug, 
 whieli, though a small iisli, was still 
 from th.' (|uanlilies whicii were annually 
 captured on (uir shore-, a very lucrative 
 source of revenue, was (h-crcasing more and 
 more every year iu our waters, from the want 
 (■f ;.de'(uate prutecli(;n. As he had said, it 
 wii - :: ^n'all sjiccies of li-li, bul diniiniitive and 
 suiail a- ii was, it yielded the handsome sum of 
 ^•'lOii,!'!.") to the leveniie. Next to the cod 
 fl^hery. li. was the most important feature iu 
 our li-riieries, and the Coiniiiiitee had regaidi'd 
 it as such, for it had coiumaiided a considerable 
 aiiioii .1 (jf their attention on the occasion ot 
 their iiivestigition. The nets or fixed engines 
 ns^d to catcii herring was one of the lu'iucipal 
 e.iu-;es of tb-Mlecrease of this valual)le iisli, as 
 Well as of other sjieeies. 'L'he Comiliissioner ot' 
 Fisheries of New iirunswick, .Mi. Periey, proved 
 conclusively ihat the'se fixed engines were ruin- 
 ous and destructive ; when he said ; — •' It is 
 not exclusively to the salmon, shad, herring and 
 has; lisheries liial the-;e lixed engines are ruin- 
 ous. It has been intimated that the brush 
 weirs destroy' the small lish, as well aa the fry of 
 the larger kinds. It is these sm.tll fish that 
 serve as the natural f lod of the cod, and when- 
 ever this supply fails, then the cod fishery mii.-t 
 also decline." At the Magdalen Islands, the 
 practice was to taite the herrings in seines. Mr. 
 I'erley says : " The moile of lisiung for herrings 
 is by drift nets. In Scotlaml, tlie injurious 
 character of the stake-net was to.-^t 'd on Lord 
 Gray's nud Sir Thomas Menereiirs salmon lish- 
 iugs in the Tay. These lisheries were worked 
 f :r ten year.? !iy stiikc-ucts ; during that time 
 the uuiiiber of s:\lmoii ca;itured was i.)l,:'.r_'. 
 Th ' slak'e-nets were thou removed, and Hie 
 yield rosq tluriijg the Lunie period (ten years) 
 
 I 
 
 t 
 
 111 
 
 tV\MV pe.lili.t 
 
 .l|n<l bene.' t'l 
 lany ye:u 
 Hilhori'y, 
 iturii to I', 
 igs oiigl:' 
 ,r out i'l! 
 Ihe coast, 
 fiver, «ay- 
 leu I from 
 !H owing t' 
 practice ilill 
 
 Jisiug seiivc 
 ed lo>>i- ll> 
 therefore sui 
 th'iiiglii a c! 
 lill to f'lr'i 
 he use of si; 
 le-troye'l. 'ii 
 li-ii a- \vi 
 'lly abiiiel:,! 
 ^liiv deereas 
 iiracili- li HIT' 
 doulit that tl 
 fiigiu'"-'- T 
 lisheries of t 
 Und, in the 
 Jie;'.(-r iniiof 
 jkif iix"d I ngi 
 liad decreu: 
 fiLiiieuting 
 ivere likeii 
 llieiii idlogi 
 J tuiii.-tauce 
 ^Itinny rca.-so 
 ',|[oiy lish, an 
 jlha'l all thi 
 ,Vitlioul inj 
 ,|idoptei.l to 
 ,^S\'liic!i he ( 
 .inboiit by CO 
 These, he ac 
 Ideas of an ; 
 . V as [latent 
 .jieariiig, ai: 
 , ,,liiscatorial 1 
 juMctice, c;j 
 ■this growiii 
 *M' lixeil eujj 
 ComiuiUee 
 vcomniend t 
 lield I hat a 1 
 ,j^t 1 regulate 
 It he open pc 
 i.Jjiill was int 
 Jlishia'inen i 
 Jlaiigh) but, 
 iml, wait fo 
 to a-cend, 1 
 Vaired lo I 
 .ill disgust 
 l^langhter.) 
 
 Hon. Mr 
 "tnanv as lii 
 
]\ 
 
 |Hisiti()ii Id l)cc()iTie a 
 hiiljlo siiiircc of wciiltli 
 • ir, fVdiii ilie cwili-lierv 
 !ini of S7()(),0(io Imil 
 
 1)11 tlii-i |i;irlicill:ir fc;i- 
 
 I'.' ri'iMirt (if the Sckct 
 llii- lA'^'ishiilvc As-\ri,- 
 
 llu llio lijln'1-ifri ul' till- 
 
 C'iiii-J lo adopt to iii- 
 ?.^. Ill tlii.s rt'iiorf, the 
 
 tlic cijt!, -Jiiirifcjieil 
 ■' I lie .^i.'ihc as l>eiiiji too 
 (.'3 wliicli cause int- 
 \'^ I)ie largor tisli, siip- 
 coflti.sli. lie iTi_'n'tU'(l 
 iK'i- of (^I'owii Lands 
 ;c'.-ii()n (iftlic (Joiiiiuii- 
 
 1 ilioii'j-lit it was only 
 ulioii to the matter to 
 .s.-ion. The report of 
 1 on the evidence of 
 , wild i,Mve it as tlair 
 r experience of fact-', 
 if taking the cod were 
 f !hu tish, andre(|ii.red 
 C'Xt feature of inipor- 
 Ihe herriii<x lisheiy. It 
 fact iliat the herring, 
 •.II !i>l!, was still 
 liicii wtTe annually 
 
 , a very luciative 
 dt.crcasing more and 
 aleis, from the want 
 
 As he had said, it 
 1. h'll diniiniUive and 
 
 liie handsome sum of 
 e. Next to the cod 
 important feature in 
 liiiiltee had regaided 
 Handed a coiisideniblr 
 
 on the occasion ot 
 ni'ls or fixed engines 
 
 one of the principal 
 lliis valuable lisli, as 
 
 The Commissioner of 
 ck, .Ml , Perley, proved 
 ed engines Were ruin- 
 .'11 he sai<l : — ■' It in 
 lion, shad, herring and 
 ced engines are ruiu- 
 lated that the brush 
 h, as well a.s the fry of 
 the.^e sin.rll fish that 
 of the cod, and wheii- 
 1 the cod fishery mii.-c 
 agdalen Islauils, the 
 erriiigsin .seines. Mr. 
 
 of ILshing for herrings 
 .'otland, tile injurious 
 i was tc^t.'d on Lord 
 eiieiviirt; salmon lish- 
 isheries were worked 
 •ts ; during that time 
 ;a|)luri'd wa.s Dl,:;r_'. 
 CM roiuovcd, and Hie 
 le period (ten years) 
 
 lo 2'2'i,'.','i'l fish: a nmc'i greaiir uuiaber of ii-!i 
 reiv permiited to rcacli their bividinj; (rronm'-, 
 and lienc>' t!ie large .suj>i.ly. Tfi" .-lakeni" v ■ 
 many yeai. ago roudettiiu'd 1\ ih-J I i.; ■ 
 ^mlnaity. -'As all ^'alnioii and iS.ilii'.ai Troi.i, 
 ijetiirii to their iiiiive riv.rs, ;s) S.ike-ml fish- 
 Hig- ought to be I'.bolishcd. S-ilinai do nut g . 
 ir (lit into the sea, and alw.iy- i-'Murn at'i : 
 llie coast, scenting out as ir wvy : ',■ 
 iivi'., "ays Sir Ifntuphrcy 'J^vy' it was'v:- 
 Jeio from lhe.-;e autliiri'ii'.-; tint the decline 
 ■a< owing to th ' use of Jiied cigiiitt.s. The 
 
 Jmetic,,' pll.nved ;:i 1h.- M.igd.iliM r'^mT- nf 
 isihg sciu'', 10 c'lpMip' ;!i.' h.-irini'. ■ 
 L>d to>>e ill - I'ast de.siriii.-li\ ■ t I i , . . 
 
 hcicf'iri.- .--npcriir to il,c oihc'- ui . . , , 
 th ".'h' a c'.aus" .-hoii'd be i,itn 
 h. ''I f'ir'ud the t.ikiii;! I 
 th i.-e of such seine?, i 
 
 (e-iniyed the l:'.r:-iiig, o. 
 f 1 -ii a> well -f liv simd, tor iMstaiic", foiia- 
 i]\ .ibiiudnni i" o'lrwakTs. w i^ now c iit,-ide"- 
 filily decrea.-i'd, ai.d il.e 'oiu: irreiit te.itim uiy ol 
 pru'Mlcal men .'lii-'\ mI b y luil ;li:' sliidow of 
 or.lit tiiat the falling ol! v>as owing to ij." !ix"d 
 nL'iu'V-. Tlie third iinjiuriaui f'aMr<.' in the 
 Jishiiies of the I'.oviuce w as tiie salni >n lis!i''ry 
 ♦ind, in (he di'crease of liiis vabiaiil.; lisli, no 
 |ie;',(i' i.n;of (ould lie had of tile destructive .e-s 
 ,|)f II.vhI uigiiu's. Ji was a faei lliat the saluion 
 |iad (hcreas>'d evvii more than oilier species 
 |"iLi|i(niling our waters, and that utiles- c.ire 
 ,Veri' taken, it would soon disap|i'..a.- fV(nn 
 them a.llogether, which AViuild be a e'r- 
 uinslance to be deeply ngretied for 
 iny reasons. The salmon was ji migra- 
 aoiy lish, and it was ul' the ulmos! importance 
 ih:it all the precautionary measures iio.-^ible, 
 (Vithoui injury to privjite interests, should lie 
 
 ■•<i ...I ■ 
 iT;ii!g t xoepi 
 
 •ligiuej. ii I only 
 ■r Viduable .Jpecii' 
 
 ,|id. 
 
 iipteil to j'revoiit its total exierminaiion, 
 
 ,Vliie!i hi' contended would be soon brought 
 
 oboiil by continuing the use of fixed engines. 
 
 'These, he added, might! bo consi:lered b) be the 
 
 fileas of an amateur or a theorist, but the fact 
 
 v.is patent to all that the fish were fist tlisap- 
 
 ,]'eariug. ai:d practical men, who had studied 
 
 ^^^liiseatorial habits not only in theory, but in 
 
 .||iraeiice, c )iicurred in attributing the cause of 
 
 ,this growing dejiletion of our waters to the use 
 
 «<f lixed engines. In regard 'o the salmon, the 
 
 ('ominittee to which ho had referred did noi rc- 
 
 ■ comnieiul the suppression of tho?e engine.^, but 
 
 Jield ihatal iw too stringent c mid not be adopted 
 
 jjl i regulate their use. He did not know T.heilur 
 
 ^the ojieii period proposed by the mover of the 
 
 ^Lill was inten led as a measure of -everitv on the 
 
 ^iishia'inen or as a proteet"on for the li-ih. (a 
 
 jjlaiigh) but, in his opinion, tlie salmon wcaild 
 
 ^iiot wail four or live days fiu" thi< open peiiod 
 
 jjjto ascend, but would, if they found tlie passage 
 
 ^liarred to them wh'Ti they arrived at it, go off 
 
 jin disgust in search of other sjiawning grounds. 
 
 [^laughter.) 
 
 Hon. Mr. LETKLLIER— They often wait as 
 '^•tnanv a= tifieen d iv^ to leap 
 
 II.ji). .•% .v. r. HKI.l-F.A^r, re.-nminjr, wentori 
 I obiorv. liiat he hop! .' the ('oiuiuissionor of 
 '' nvn Lands WiMihi .-•■.• the propriety ofadopt- 
 
 ,- -lill m.re stringent iiaasures than those 
 f ireshndrtwed !ii the Tneasup befbif llie House 
 f'r th" piotetll m of the cod. herring salmon 
 and shad fi-'herics in [larticnlar. He thought 
 ■■'i!, w'i!" re- ec.iiig exi-iiiig rights, iub-gis- 
 
 i'l.' fir 'he f itaro, it should be forbidilen to 
 erect tixed eiigin.'S in rivers 
 
 Hon.Mr. CAMPBELL— The hou. geutleman 
 wa-1 cvidi'jttly laboring under a false impres.slon. 
 ■') fix vJ iniii w<r" erected i,luive tidewater. 
 
 lion ?H'.\.. r.KLLH.M', ;"'"<''''''iii;^ >>iid 
 
 tiie;e w.i.; .'aio!l"r iioiiit lai which he disircd to 
 
 i"i.> »'•'•; — he al'viied to the siiperiiiteml'-iice of 
 
 ■• i' .i.i'.'ie.i !) '/artuient The (^v'umiittce i,) 
 
 wi;;i: . \r- Iiad Ji.ivady niaile fre<|ieiit allusion, 
 
 in s;:vaktiig o' I'i^ subject, rec amui'iided that 
 
 f!.e h •,' 1 .)f '111' Hraiich .diouM be a 
 
 g nOeuiiii of piae'ieal e\peri;ne(.'. ]],• 
 
 had every confibuice iu the ze.il, g'eneral iu- 
 
 ii-iligenee, and atitnliou of the present .Siiper- 
 
 iutendeii!, ' it did not think he wis possessed 
 
 of that praetie.il and intimate knowledge of 
 
 tisiiing ni it;ers which was so liesirable. He 
 
 did not. desire I > detract from the nvrits of the 
 
 gentleni in in q iesfioii, fat mearly wished to 
 
 I call the fitt"uti<ai of the ("oininissioner of 
 
 I Crown Lauds to ihe fict that he was not 
 
 I exac'ly s ichaJ the (,' inimitter hehl to be nec- 
 
 I cessary in the interests of this important branch 
 
 ' of our national industry. There were many 
 
 ]irac;ieal men in the country, and he regretted 
 
 I that the recommendation of ilie Cuintnittee in 
 
 ' thi< respect had not been more strictly carried 
 
 '. out 
 
 I Hon. Mr. CAMPBELL said the benefit of 
 the experience of such pratical men was had 
 ; as lo;;al overseers. 
 
 , Hon. Sir N. V. BELLEAC What he des- 
 ired, was that some ihoroiiglily practical, e.x- 
 pericneed man should have the control and the 
 rospi nsibiliiy. Then, there was another iniiior- 
 t'lJii recomniciidatioi, of the Committee, lie 
 would like to have seen attfjiition ]iaid lo la tlie 
 Hill— he alluded to the desirability of investing 
 Commander Fiu'lin with certain judicial 
 pow.'rs, whie'i might be \{;ry properly cxerti- 
 sed by that otlieial — iu f ict very necessarily so 
 in certain parts of the country bordering on 
 thedidf, to which the duties t*' his HnnuOfr tour 
 of insiieclion called hiiii. He thought .Mr. 
 Foilin sluaild bo invested, under such circum- 
 stances, \vih [lower? siniihir to lho,-e exorcised 
 by a Judge of the Ciiciiii ("oiirt. 
 
 Ibiu. Mr. CAMPBELL -That was precisely 
 what was intended. 
 
 Hon. Sir. N. F. nEL!iE.\U went on to re- 
 mark that he w.as nu umateur of oysters, (a 
 laugh) and would like to see the recommen- 
 dation of the Committee iu regard to the artifi- 
 cial propagation of oysters by the ))lanting of 
 beds of the«i in difforent places also carried 
 r»tit. 
 
14 
 
 I 
 
 iluii. Mr. OAMPHKLL ifild the power nee- 
 essary tor the purpose to which the hon. gen- 
 tlemun alluded, wus included in the Bill. 
 
 Hon. Sir N. F. DEI-LEAU said ho desired 
 also to call the atteiUion of the Government to 
 the siibject of the distribution of tho lishing 
 bountit-'a. Ho tiiouglil those bounties more 
 fretiueutiy went lo otlicr parties tJian those to 
 whom li\e l;i\v intended they HJioiild go, and 
 expressed ii hope, ilien in conclusion, that 
 altentiiiii would he given to ihi^ mutter as well 
 A3 toothers already :u<'ni.ioncd, in the perfect- 
 ing of UiR Bill. 
 
 lion. Mr. LETKM IKIl DE ST. JUST follow- 
 cd. The lion, ui'iiil.-irnui said he was tiee to 
 admit tliat ihe Hill ■^•.■eined to him tol>e a deckl- 
 ed iniprovemenl on tiie actual law, i)iit he 
 thought it might be .so modified as to londcr it 
 protective at the siuno time of exisliiiti rights 
 and the jniblic interests to a greain- extent 
 than was prupos^'d. There were ceri;iin rights 
 in regard to fishing, wiii<'li had existed from 
 time immemorial, and he held it woidd neither 
 be just nor right t(^ deprive the present claim- 
 ants of tho.=;e rights without compenrfntini: them 
 for their los-. Changes in this rt-spcct could 
 not be effectod without proper indenniily > the 
 parties. [Hear, hear.J In relation to vvh>tl had 
 been said in regard to the destruction of the 
 fisl> by fi.xed engines, he remarked thai he 
 tholight the decrease of the fi.<h could In- traced 
 to other and truer causes, si'oh as the increase 
 in the navigation of the ri -er, which friglitened 
 away the lish, tlie construction of mills, the ob- 
 Btruction offered by mill-dams to the ascent of 
 the rivers, and the throwing of foreign sub- 
 etances into the water injurious to the fish. 
 
 It being then six o'clock, the debate was ad- 
 journed, and the House rose. 
 
 Friday, lOtb March, 1865. 
 
 DBBATH ON TIIR FISnEUIES ACT (RESCMED.) 
 
 Hon. Mr. LETELLIER— I approve to a cer- 
 tain extent of the views of my hon. friend 
 (Mr. Belleau.; I think the disappearance of 
 tish from certain parts of the St. Lawrence is to 
 be accounted for by tiie increasing uimiber of 
 ships and steamers that ply on its waters. A 
 company was formed many years ago at River 
 Onelle for the purpose of carrying on the por- 
 poise fishery. When the fishermen saw por- 
 poises about tiie fishing grounds and inside the 
 stakes, which are placed so that the tops pro- 
 ject a few yards out of the water, they said 
 " the fish are" ours ;" but if a boat with oars 
 happened to pass tho fish disappeared before 
 the recession of the tide had caused them to 
 become enclosed and stranded. Now, I do not 
 say that the steamers and other vessels drive 
 the fish from our waters altogether, but they 
 drive them from theur old feeding grounds near 
 the shoals. The salmon meets with a different 
 class of trials — vnriftus Bnbstances floating in 
 
 the rivers, drains turned Into them which chan^ 
 tho character of tlio water, Ao. If the fish i: 
 not find the same water to which th? 
 were accustomed, they do not thrivt 
 All tho Indians know that tho li 
 of one river are not like the tii 
 of another ; and they can tell by ti 
 different appearances (jf salmon to whul strear 
 they belong. Well, one method has b 
 devised for re-stocking t(ie3e rivers, consist: 
 in tho building of a species of pass. This isn 
 very right up to a certain point, but in certa 
 cases it would bo unjust to compel these fis; 
 ways to bo erected. t)n one of o;ir river i wo ha^ 
 two or three flour mills, and diiriii)/ the tin 
 the passes were required to be opi'ii, the farnit 
 would have to wait for their ri^ur to I'- groun 
 Tlie fact is, the Government have formal 
 left this part of the administratiim of ilie fishc- 
 laws in the hands of the local oiliceis who '. 
 not know their duty — who bavi- not sutlieie; 
 tnowledgc to make the distiiictions neccessarv 
 At St. Thomas, for instance, where there i> 
 considerable fall. -I dont exactly know Im 
 high it is — 
 
 Hon. .Sir E. P. TACHE -Twenty-five fe. 
 at low tide, and five or six at high water. 
 
 Hon. Mr. LETELLI^ilR Well, it would h 
 very desirable that there should be salmon i 
 the river, but it would be very disadvantag'; 
 ons to tho proprietor of the mills to have tL 
 useful uess of his dam destroyed. The propriv 
 tors of the dams only make use of a right cor. 
 veyed to tliem in their ])atenls, but m sou 
 cases the ofticers spoken of have obliged the 
 to let a certain quantity of water over the d;v 
 to let salmon pass, and the con.sequence w:i 
 that the mills were stopped in the dry seasd 
 and the people had to wait before they cou 
 get flour. It is a good thing to have fish 
 one's bread, but it is belter to have bread wit 
 out fish than fish without bread. (Hear, ai 
 laughter.) We have also seen the proprietoi 
 of nets for herrings sued because they happem 
 to catch a salmon. .Now when a railroad 
 opened, we do not take the land for it from ti 
 private proprietors, but provide that a reaso; 
 able compensation shall be given therefor, an 
 so it should be with the mill-dams and pas.-^ 
 Insterul of having overseers at $.")i) per aunir 
 salary, we should have more important oflieer.- 
 Some rule is necessary for the protection of fi 
 fisheries, but unfortunately all these moasur 
 arj devised not by th(' Legislature itself, hut I 
 those to whom tho Legislature in some wn 
 delegates its powers . I have no doubt tii 
 those who have tried to make rules have trii 
 to make them for the public advantage, but v 
 arc notexpectcd to have rules made which canii 
 be applied — for instance, tho rules for the ct 
 and herring fisheries do not apply equally to n 
 sections of the country. Vc have seen th 
 people in our pan of the country obliged ! 
 make opeqings in their nets big enougu 
 lot the salmon pass through. Well, the sardiiif 
 andthp herrlngj naturally follnwpd the f!^\r\\n: 
 
 ;tnd ID noth 
 OBt the prolJ 
 the iuvestme 
 ft river Icasei 
 man, for I 
 of fishing 
 Gorernment 
 I have know 
 idams, and it 
 |he officer th 
 J)el the ownc 
 ^.Jhe dams, w! 
 ^Ibred in tho ri 
 and there th 
 JTry. These c 
 Intondent f^f 
 ♦hare should 1 
 from going I 
 *rhe sue-gt-sti 
 ^hns tho expi 
 ftnod all abi 
 luen who tl 
 
 {heories thai 
 ion. friend c 
 ipoke yestcr 
 That subject 
 1b an annual 
 that we can 
 AS herring a: 
 f|he river no\ 
 'character of 
 •IscwLerc to 
 lea carried o 
 |ew herrings 
 (MofSt. Dor 
 |he fish arc v 
 to bo. In ' 
 formerly, ' 
 
 ?nd the coni 
 els, aro the 
 [Hear.) So 
 lowcver, the 
 lat a kind I 
 possible f'c 
 lere the T)ic' 
 guys that si 
 iears the fisl 
 in Europe an 
 Itrictions so 
 I said before, 
 tre so vast t 
 terminate th' 
 eod, for exai 
 .Of eggs, and 
 ire taken on 
 Jpiat really a 
 'inough to bi 
 tourse, whci 
 tion of eggs. 
 $ro great loc 
 anantity of ' 
 but come to 
 ttproduction 
 but little fea 
 Kevertfeeless 
 fcction nhoul 
 
1 
 
 I.') 
 
 1 Inlci them which chutij 
 iitur, Ao. If the lish '. 
 wilier to which tin: 
 thoj do not thrivt 
 know thnt the li 
 not like tlic fif 
 hey can tell by U 
 f salmon to whul slrear 
 one method hiia h 
 I ttie3e riviTH, conaisii! 
 !cies of pass. This irfrt 
 :«in point, Imi in ct-rtii 
 ust to coinppl thciie tii: 
 one of o;ir riven wo ha- 
 ils, and iliii'iii^ the tin 
 d to be opi-ii, I he farme 
 tlieir rt )iir lu I"- grouii 
 jrnini'iit Ilivc formul 
 ninistratiiMi df'tlie fishc- 
 lie local ofliccis who '. 
 •who have not riuHicie; 
 ! diatiiictioiM iif'ccessan 
 istance, wiieie there i> 
 ont exactly know ho 
 
 CHE-Tvventy-five fiv 
 six at liijjh water. 
 ER Well, it would h 
 are should be rialmon i 
 be very disadvantage 
 [if the mills to have tt 
 icstroycd. The proprit 
 nake use of a right coi 
 ir patents, but m sou 
 eu of have obliged the 
 y of water over the cl;v 
 
 I the consequence wa 
 )pped in the dry seasn 
 ) wait before they coi; 
 k1 thing to have fish 
 .'Iter to have bread wit 
 thoiit bread. (Hear, ui 
 
 also seen the proprieto; 
 •A because they happene 
 Now when a railroad 
 e tlie land for it from tl 
 t provide that a reaso: 
 
 II be given therefor, an 
 3e mill-dams and passf 
 jrseori at $10 per aunu' 
 I more important officer; 
 
 for the protection of t! 
 toly all these measur 
 Legislature itself, hut I 
 r»gislature in some wn 
 
 I have no doubt tii; 
 ,0 make rules have trii 
 public advantage, but v 
 .> rules made which cann 
 ce, the rules for the ci 
 ) not apply equally to a 
 y. V"e have seen th 
 
 the country obliged '. 
 eir nets big enougi. ' 
 ough. Well, the sardijif 
 Filly follnwpd the pfllnio; 
 
 |knd 10 nothing wag catight, and the fishermen 
 ^08l the prolil they had a right to expi.-ot from 
 the inveatment of tiicir capital. We have seen 
 B rlvor leased by the Governinpnt to a gentle- 
 man, for liuQ fishing, although the right 
 of fishing in it was ceded by tlic French 
 GoTernment to the seignior of that distrii't. 
 1 have known a plr.ce in which ihoro. were thru/ 
 .iflains, and it was a few years since proposed l;y 
 Jhe officer then charged with that duty to cuiii- 
 Jpel the owners to put a salmon pass on each of 
 the dams, when it was well known that salmon 
 ^Ved in the rivor below the lowest of tlicse darns 
 find there the stream was alway.^ full of .salmon 
 fry. These owners suggcslcd to the then Super- 
 Intondent '^f FislnTies thai iii pr icrcnce to jnisses 
 thare should be some barrier to pre vent, the salmon 
 from going beyond good br^;: ding places f/oswa- J 
 *rhe suf;gealiou was, however, thrown aside and 
 thns the experience of practical men who uinJcr- 
 Jtnod all about the liahrries was disregarded by 
 |uen who thought " wo knew more by our 
 theories than yoH do by your prartice.'" My 
 ton. friend on my left (Hon. Sir X. F. Belleau) 
 •poke yesterdr.y abont the irtiv.'gration <if tisli. 
 That subject is not yet well und'vstood. Tlicie 
 b an annual migration, but it h not so reg-.lar 
 that we can base calculation.' r.pon it. Aj far 
 W herring arc concerned, ihf y do not freq'ient 
 l^be river now as much as i''.ey used to do. The 
 character of the shores cliaiij^es and the fish go 
 
 Jlscwherc to spawn. Net-r my residence, tlie 
 ea carried oft a shoal, and there are now very 
 |ew herrings caught on the shores of the paris!'- 
 ,«8 of St. Denis or River Quelle. In llimouski 
 |he fish arc more abundant now than they used 
 ,4o bo. In Temiscouuta thej' stay longer than 
 formerly. The changes in Iho bed of the river, 
 fnd the continual navigation of certain chan- 
 nels, are the chief causes of these dillcrences. 
 (Hear.) So numerous are the eggs of tlicsc tlsh, 
 nowevcr, the herring containing GO,0(iO ova — 
 teat a kind Providence has rendered it almost 
 ftnpossible for them to be exterminated. I have 
 iere the Dictionary of Natural Scienro \vhi£h 
 |Ay3 that someiimcd for ton or even twenty 
 iears the fish disappear from their haunt:., yet 
 in European countries they don't adopt any re- 
 itrictiona so severe a3 those proposed here. As 
 I said before, the means of reproduction of fish 
 we so vast that it is almost impossible \o ex- 
 terminate them by mere human agency. The 
 cod, for example, has from one tu two millions 
 ..pf eggs, and only thiny-six million of codfisli 
 
 !ro taken on tha Ba.iks of Newfoundland, fo 
 bat really about thirty fish can produce eggs 
 nough to breed all the fish taken there . Of 
 bourse, when Ispei.k. of tliis enormous produc- 
 tion of eggs. I km w the means of destruction 
 ire gre.Tt too. other fish oat up an immense 
 quantity of ' :. ; eggs, but in sp.t^ ( f this I cannot 
 but come to the conclusion that the means of 
 ttproduction arc so much greater that there is 
 but little fear of our exterminating the fish. 
 iTevertfeelesii I agree that same measure of pro- 
 iectlon nhould bo adopted, but T think it would 
 
 be dangerous to have the rules fixed, and il 
 W'Uld be deftirable to have somo latitude 
 nlUiwtii tu tin' lo.al bfgislature?. I 
 have also thought that more advantage should 
 be takf-n of the means which already exist for 
 the protection of the lisheries. What use is 
 there in having a rchooner wliicii goes to visit 
 point atVr pcint with a cuiiKiiaiultr liable to be 
 over-ruled by a subaltern uf the Crown Lands 
 Dejiaruncnt ? There is at present a constant 
 conilict between one authority aud anoihtr. 
 We have a man of talent and education who 
 has applied himself willi euergy lo tie study of 
 the hsl.cries — I sneak of t.'ifnniiJi'.'Jcr Forlin — 
 who pdoa down to the jjiiif and siuys there a 
 long lime, but at the same time he has to b« 
 subject to the dircciiims (jf an employee in Iho 
 department. What necessity is ihtje fur giv- 
 ing sucii directions to a person so competent as 
 Coni'nodorc Fortin ? 
 
 IJcn. Mr. CA.MFHELI The authority ot 
 
 Captain Fortin has not been interfered with. 
 nor is there the slighlMt dtsire to interfere with 
 it. 1 have bad a couversaiion recently with 
 him ami know his views. 
 
 Hen. Mr. PRICE — Make him Gommifisiouep 
 of (,'rcwn Lands. (Hear, hear.) 
 
 H' n. Mr. LETELLIER— It is not right that 
 two otllccrs should have conflicting jurisdiction, 
 if the ('ommissioner t,f Crown Lands thinks 
 C.ipt. Fortin the first oilicer of the department, 
 then his salary 
 
 Hon. Mr. CAMPBELL— I did not say he wa* 
 the first oilicer oftlic department. His province, 
 bis peculiar duty, is to go down to see that tha 
 laws are observed. He must inform himself of 
 the rules and regulations laid down by my i)ro- 
 decessors in office and carry tiiera out, and in 
 doing that there is no interference with him. 
 His autliority in this respect has Ivcn recogniz- 
 ed to the full. 
 
 Hon. Mr. LETELLIER— Notwithstanding 
 this assertion, 1 make bold to say th.at my hon. 
 friend has been misinformed. But, I argue, 
 Capi. Fort in should be the person to judge of 
 the meacb to be adopted for the p. ;itection of 
 the ii.-r!icric3. \Vhy should th<'.ct^ another 
 officer superior in position in thedepa-tment ' 
 What I say I say strongly, because 1 know in- 
 justic'- has been done by officers who do not 
 know tlie habits of our popul.ition. I do not 
 wish to raise the question of uuiionality, but 
 there would have been less difficulty if the offi- 
 cer in question lad known more of the language 
 spoken by our people. 
 
 Hon. Mr. PRICE— The salmon fishery is a 
 sifoject in which I iiave always taken u great 
 deal of interest, aud in 18oei at Toronto, I 
 brought in the first bill introduced to the Ca- 
 nadian Parlian.ent for tlit* proteciion of the lisli- 
 eriv.s. Unfortunately that bill wns thrown out, 
 otherwise we mig'jt have had a d.iTcrent state 
 of affairs now, at a the then '■oranii;-'! jrer of 
 Crown Lands brought in ana Obrned a measure 
 which it was found imprrPsibte t» work. Th<» 
 
IC 
 
 lldii. ,Mr. >u(' >tt", tl;c ii'vvt f.'.iiimi"::^! nifi' ul' 
 t r.fwii ]ii«ii(is ul.t'iwiinl- liriiiipflii in luiiiilicr 
 dill, wliifh, Hi nnietuJi'il, i,s now on 'Ik- Sinluli> 
 llddk. This, liowKvcr, liiis litt'ii found dcH'c- 
 livi'iii m;iny a'speclH. Tin' m-w nu'i\s;ire, wiili 
 u I'uw iiiix'rulnu'iit-' wliicii I lliiiik chii etijflj t)c 
 TMiulf, will cuiilile us til [T ■Icet oar (ijlieri.s ff- 
 l'L'«'lively. Tiicro is no doiilit ttmt tin' wnrkinir 
 (f our .vUinnii iuni hurrinjf tii^lu-riej; i^ of \n<i 
 iiiiiioriiinci', and only ri'i] liru; Iniprovrd li';;i.-l.i- 
 lic;, to inid\i' litem iipiin'ciatt'd uinl li.ive iln.-ir 
 valuolM'ltrr Ktiowii. (H'.ir.) W'v liavr in ili" 
 ivporl oi" tin- English FHlii-ry ('omniigsionci;, 
 suHicii'nt evidence of ihi' valm- of iliv; (islu'rics in 
 
 (111' Kilixli^ll, l:i-l' ■■I'd 8f:)l!i-dl WlltM-S. ||| old 
 
 tinit's s.dini'u wc 
 
 l!.,ni TOilS thill lIlL' |IC' 
 
 ■ \i 
 
 wcri' iii'iii':iiy s'ci\ >>\' t!i; in. \".'l;C(i Bcrvauls en- 
 pijTud witn their makers I hey used to i;i'd<c a, 
 [•til'uhilii'ii thai t!i"y should nut liave -'Uucn 
 inure than liir'-t' times n week, and a ^ luilar 
 clause was ])iit into t lie iiidentures of app.- :oiCi'<s. 
 This abund. line was hrouejiit iil»out b\ -■ jidi- 
 (■ious system of prot.'Clio.i. ii w.is ui n\,>- time 
 11 eriniitnil olfencc to kill siilrnon by 3; eiuiiiu^ or 
 'ly torchlight. Ho far as this bill id c^ n 'e.ned, 
 it would much enhance its value if the (I.ivern- 
 nieiil would pass il ai once, this very ."-i 'U, 
 ill order tl1.1t wee 'iild have i; fair trial if' ii ne\t 
 sensoii. (Hear.) I p to the year l^TJ ilic 
 North Shore of ihe St. Liowrence w,is lieiaHj- 
 teeming with salmon. The lluds ui'i! Bay <;.an- 
 ]iauy used toc.\[K)rl theusunds of barrels. For 
 nuxny a day salmon was not known to b • legh- 
 er than 9''^ or S'J a tierce in the Quebec m o'ket, 
 wherea.? latterly — I ?poak of iliree years iig ) for 
 owing the disturbed sliit6 of affairs to ovcT the 
 border, it is not worth bo much now as il w.is 
 then — i:, brought ^=18 per barrel of 200lbs. 
 liast year, I believe, it fetched §10 or $11. A3 
 a jiroof of the value to wliicii our sulnioa fish- 
 eries might be raised, I will state one casc 
 that has oecurrcd in Ireland, with respect to 
 the river Moy, in Avliich no i»;dmon formerly 
 existed, on account of a very high fall near its 
 mouth which salmon could not ase.nid. 
 Certain persons got a siiecial lease of this river 
 tor a long term of years, and immediately 
 cleared the stream of fish destructive to salmon. 
 Their leases from the riparian proprietors con- 
 tained a clause empowering them to kill all fish 
 that injured the salnujn, and the people were 
 .n little surprised when they saw the pike and 
 tTout nliiKKst destroyed. These gentlemen made 
 .vveral little brooks and spawning jiiuids, and 
 jihiced 200,000 ova in tiaem. The consequence 
 was that the fry went down the fishway wh'ch 
 had been built at the falls, nnd came fiack 
 ;i;,niiu the, i:»x( year to their native waters. 
 The fifth year after the river had been leased to 
 them they cleared £2G,70O from the salmon 
 they caught. That is a suflicienl proof that 
 money can be made out of the fishery of almost 
 any river well managed and preserved. (Hear, 
 hear.) There is no venture, lion, gentlemen, 
 more templing than this of restocking, and 
 breeding fish — no investment more secure — no 
 
 result more criaiii — because salmon alwui 
 ret.ini t 1 ih ir nalivv' rivers like »-l.eep to tlK'-~*~ 
 IMd. L'|) U) 1><12 llie Jluhoris Hay Co;.ijia;.,I;f.loni shcu''.' 
 killed :»,0oo fish jier niuiuin in the ludout |,e-.c5-«i'y lu.st 
 (i-herie.? alone. From the Muisie I'.'cy used i nnd we a; i* ( 
 lake us m^iy as 1 1,000. IJcfore that year, Ih^r .-eilie .-''i li.-r. 
 woulil not .sell a pound of fishing twine : .•(•m1v:i,i ^s 
 maki; nets svitli, and would not bay Epenrv „• 1* r by i.i.' c 
 lisli fi'oii. tie* Indian;, who tlurefore used l..ir.j .\:>'i".':i 
 eaich IV h III ihai \sMy only for lluir own c;L--v'.'"n ;(.'.• :'; 
 .-^uiiijiiioii. wiica tliey ha; peiied Ic I- passii.j.nsil i'\'ij':li c f 
 ovr ilie rivers ^Aller 1842, bo\i ve.-, wlu.',-*, .<■> a- to ■•• .. 
 their e.\e!ii,sivc lea-e of the King'." I'o.-.:.-; Tfrr..-- .."isii; ■•■*. 
 tory expired, the Hudson's liay Cjui;)au,\ coul i'»ii-. i vvd r.u 
 not prevent u.hers f'lOiii sittliuj:', i lini'eriii;:^"!^, r«:r-.'W;ii 
 ii.idiii!; and fishing along lliet-.i-;. 
 liieref a'e, b.-^sT in to be erected "ii ih 
 Slioie in ISiJ, the dams of whi'jh preve 
 
 s.dniKii from going u[> the stri ams tw 
 and placjs where, when a boy, I u ei 
 iheni sii luiiiierous as to kill lli''iii \\',:h 
 and liav" ofieu siie.ued them, nie now i 
 (ieserieii liv the fish. Ataouj liv 
 
 Mil'-, ,ii .11. Cn 
 
 Nor; ou'' i>;li..'r, li iv 
 
 • d ti.i S-!i'Tiej. I .) 
 
 1 dWitf»i|i;;t of the c- 
 
 '.a ti..-y outlay and i 
 
 sionery hi'v. Vi 
 
 '.dire! U | r.:«;;ic.ii!y 
 
 v.hci'iii'js. liavini' i<: 
 
 they have b.';.-n c viu|detely exttimiuu'ed owir..;i.ul IkW -c't 
 to the mill-d.im, 1 may meniion ti.e lilsco ■ »'i,j!! ''.le;-'? wv 
 main--, the IV. rgeroine, tlie Puti; 6a_.4;iL-iiay, t!, t.U, liie u'.^lie 
 St. John, tlio Grand J!ay, and i' ■ Ha ! Huliuwecer, kif.w 
 rivers. One clause 1 put into the bill, 1 lir.-cre.l Xt"*0 a vo 
 introdueod was, that all proprietors of daiivjMon, b :t tl"' 
 should ha 'e lish ]<asseis. Of coarse it Wu-»! r 'J • ;'!-i":it 
 understood, int if the mill could rot be worki' uji i-t>;.«i<.>;,n. 
 with tlie fishvs.y open, il would have to be clo- t.^kc^ I ; liirn 
 cd, exeeuting in three days in the week whi.jlicry yi'.-h.'fj 
 the mill was not running. I have seen it state r.-rate" Iiim ; i 
 m the Encyclopa^lia Britannica that the olde:-J lor Iii.i tDuM 
 of the salmon rememtiering that certain fisljht or ten tii.-.i 
 ways were opened on Saturday night, have be€..>3 who h.-d tei; 
 known to collect at tlit foot of them in thrt;otninitte'» tir v 
 nights only waiting for flic opportunity of goin.i nl'o;'t ;5') t a 
 up (Hear, and Laughter.) Hon. gentlema:ootT'r mo:-'-, 
 laugh, but I can quite believe that after futii j,ao«-- ii; ,; riv 
 attcmjits to get up ou week days, that wel'^.j p:^... nn- ov 
 known instinct characteristic of fishe3(especiall -.c. Marg-toriW'. 
 salmon) might jirompt them to try again on t!i!p,j5,the 6s!i !..»-. 
 day when from the general quiet, and the at" the net nad si 
 sence of sawdust and disturbance in th^ wate:r?.stork<'d. i-"' 
 their native instinel wouiil recognise a chang rofrainei! 1] , 
 «nd a chance to (jverconie the obstacle. [H'^a'Tijliin" j; nr .;! 
 hear.] I was about fo say of *.he Hudsour co'i-id-T.iMc 
 liay Company, that when their l<-'a;. m wliile tii ;■! 
 was near expiring, they thought they woul i,%, t[,» ,„,f|..v 
 make as much out of it as they could, un.cl a trvmnr.dou 
 they bouirht speared fish from the Indians, Mii. fortni"Iit or 
 macs and mountaineers, and indeed, witlur:, wli'-n th"" fij!) 
 distinction, .linusl from everybody, and it dinJutjln Jtijnrr 
 not take many years to ruin the rivers at tl...n,jn,hprs nf ih^ 
 rate. Since our [iresent law has bee;i in ojjei"^^.i,-n.;, wi.- v" 
 ation, there has 'm.'en so ui ich opposition U> ixwn i-.v sit in 
 that we have never been able to cany it ou-,r'.^a qV .j, . .:' 
 effectively. The lion, member for Gmudvilli- ^j,jty ,;- ^. j,,-, 
 [Hon. Mr. Letellier] has said that there shouK.r mon*')'* t' 
 be no Deiiut;;,iental regulations. of tCc-jtpn'ib'*' 
 
 Hon. Mr. LKTf'LLIEll— Ua-.diy that. crowd' 1 .ciJi 
 
 Hon Jlr. rUIGE— Well, I sboukl prefer if thi^cend. J, w',;. 
 whole thing could be condensed into one shoicr i'.is "siaco in 
 A(-t, but as it cannot, it is exiiedieut that thcr washed .iwar 
 
 Sp.lfCrl to X'.-.f : 
 
1 
 
 n 
 
 r 1842, bo\. 
 (he Kiug*" 1' 
 
 111 stltliuu, 
 
 Ollil' tilt! 11- 
 
 I'jcuusi' salmon idwu; 
 
 I'l.-rs like »-l.t'L'p tu tliv— ~ ~~ 
 
 11 ul^.iiij IJiiv r.v..ii.u;.Jii-.i,>rn jhc.li''' I.-.- m.-.il*' f.orn tir.-'- f.> timi* nj 
 mum in the 'iuduut iir.c5-«-'y '^''^"^- Tl-.iy Ii.i%« ■i.cri '-.i F.r.»- 
 he iMuisi'; t'jcv used linri'l wf ar..- oM'qc- J lu Imvo liicin !.•:•, I.r- 
 IJoluiv Hint j'eur, Ihi; :eili-.' r.-nii:-t.. >:iv< i.tlec i!i'.i.-s ••;.• ?o nut!!- 
 ul (if lisliiug twine ; !hih1v:i. i ■:» tii-tt llioy ci;"--'. ■».! • •- fo- 
 ouM not b.iy Epcnri ,} i' i- b.v l.».' <-.\;.>~'5 i.-riiiA «f .":.■.■ Stucrc 
 ,viM tlu>a'f.)i'e iHcJ L.ir.j .\:'""!ur -..'liii^ !•• ix- ^••'■■'•'■•'' '"' i- 
 Illy fvji- ih-'ir uwii c>)L—\»'.''n :i.'.- :'!.-: 1 ill w.is lr'..:i,!i: in, t!.-.- 
 -. passiii'/.jnl ii^iij';!! ( f i.i," icn-i |im|ii'..'il '.v m 'Jl 
 vc;', wUt,-*, .<•> .i' I" ••• ■• '•j<:i-:2-: j •''»;'!• to |,'.t iir-* l!.«? 
 »■,;; Tf n. . • .."isii; •'. .'. ^»o.il ciy ot i.uiu-i liy wj; 
 
 iili_\ COlll\»*Cr M'V'l .".11 1 111'; te.';;| VV.l.4 ri'lv:?! t.> 
 
 un'oriii;: VM'^, ren'.-";»i !•,> C.ir fiiir nnrc, t-iviifz iii.;- 
 
 Mil'-, III »ll. C >:i>.''t::i.l:lly lf;it l'N'> ['tT-vil', [ 
 
 iivclcii "H i!i" Nor; ou«> o;l...'r, luv\- invtitffl r.ipi;..! ill 'I.e e.i!- 
 
 5 uf wlii'ii ;i;'i'V.'!.! d ti.i S-ii'TicJ. I .k:i tl.i)a»M;rlily d's^uit.-d wi 'i 
 
 till' btn .mi:! iw .; au-;ir»i|i:;t of ihf c'.;il*.tl I itiit in— I \u\ve l.id .i 
 
 •II a boy, I li ii', 19 si.*youtI.iy and li;!.' rctjrri. Ci.dt.-l ( .ir.i n 
 
 kill llkiu wi.li .=ione:y I. •-.«»•. Vi .• otucr party [Mr. IIoLidiy] 
 
 lliem, fiiH' n.iw iMtircl i* i i-.-.clio.i'ly acjiviu'oil wii'i tlii ti'u'-y 
 
 Anion.::, livs.- v/licmcii. li-i*'i":f " ■ca i ii.;.t';cd in !• in frv'.';;l, 
 
 fly exttiiniiia'iil i'\v;r..;i»ul IkW k.'I t 'ult-ri-d fir ih-. M:'i;i" river. 
 
 ay niontioii tl.i- l.]3Cu' »'ij;!i 'ik-i-? '.vc.i' •;'.•• .ul oilier fcl-Ta lit.'- 
 
 tlie Pcti; .Sii^;.i.imy, t!, t.U, tiic ni^lip-t nfiiiem w.u ?.'."» ' r .';i"i. 
 
 Bay, and i' ■ Ifa ! HaliuWcnT, ki'.i'A 'n.: :I.:' v.-.lii(» '.t tie ri'' t, 
 
 t)ut iiilo the L'ill, 1 iir^-cred Ci'i') i yoir. He \wr\* d iwm tit :;ilvc 
 
 ill ]iro|iilelor.s of dui:v;>ion, !■ ;t lI-'* :•«' •?« \vii<> |j I'i h.-.-n il.i'ro 
 
 L'S. Of cuaiac it ■\VL-tfiiJ ' ;'i:ij.':it i t.-y !;.\<l ri^iii.-, \v .-.i ! ni' 
 
 nill could I'Ol be wjrki uji jt>;.?o>iin. and in cniise'ii.-T'.'e ^'^v :.<.u 
 
 it would have to be clo. tAkcii 1 y liiin ili;- il,-»t y<j.Tr. TIiv \.':\- y.-ar 
 
 days in the week wht.jjicry yi.-h.'ej vi-ry well, s:i!l iiut i;a>i..,'h fo 
 
 g. I have seen it state r.'Tiitc liim ; 1 .5t jcason, Imwcvcr, l? 'v:is 
 
 itanniea that the olde:J j'nr IiiiirmMe and ot.t'.ay I.y t'.io c ijita-s 
 
 lering that certain fi.-?ljhtor fen tii. •.i^iifni fish. W'hcr the o'.in-r 
 
 iturday night, have bec...j who h/d tendered n-crc bro-.^'it bvi'ure 
 
 foot of them in thrtlominitfe" tli- y 5;i:d »!m riv;r v.m only 
 
 tl.c opportunity of goin.i nl>n;'t :5" t, nui Mr. Ifolllil »y ni.-t b? !i 
 
 er.) Hon. gentlemaioctTT i:r):'-. W-ll, Mr. irofli.! lyV; f \p.?r- 
 
 believe that after fulii>ao«' ■ ti; i: rlr^rs c\a b-.-mi;! • valiLiM-?. I 
 
 week days, that wol'^jp:;.;- my o-.vn PXfi"n'--iir.c; i'l one raor, 
 
 rlstic of fishcs(especiall;c. M;ir^'a'ri;f. uiiieh v.-a? r.-nd- rrd q.il.- 
 
 them to try again on t!i!p,«,tlu.6,-l!!..i-. ir.u'biPnoxtcinvnat- !'• y t!.-; 
 
 eral quiet, and the al'thonet a.id i:'0.:r. liy d<';;.ce; it ha.- •ijc:' 
 
 isturbance in thw walt.;re.st>>rkf'd. <■!;.;!/, |;.)\vover. lucn.se I 
 
 lid rccugiiise a chang rcfcaincd, i". .rial' f!ij H'-vi .,f w' lei-f. . 
 
 me the obstacle. [Hi'iirfijliin^j i; iv :;!; vxith n<:;-!, altlinu,' i I jay 
 
 o sa\ of 'he Hudsjur co-.-id-r.iKio ri-nt f.a- Hi.' f.'vi.c^.- (".f 
 
 when their leaj> so, w'.n'.e tir:< ^.•il::(;: notliiiv.' to ■ en;'"-- • 
 y thou^'lit they woul i,>. ti,> ,,,,t|..._v \: •> !,, ,. Ti.n-' y l^■^.l;^^ 
 it as they could, aii.^ a tri-inondoas f.-r-^!i'ft llirre, w;),".;! i <>:eJ 
 h fioni the Indiana, Mi'. fortni'^Iit nr tiiroj week?, d.u-ia:j ilr- 
 and indeed, witho;:. wli'-n'tli-* fi^!) wen- sp.iwni i- I: c i".>-t! 
 everybody, and it ditjlnljlr« i;ijnrv t;- »^.■.• rivrr. dr r^j;. i:i;r ' 
 ruin the river.-; at th-numhers of th>b.-c..d;n;j iis'«. ahn ■-• every 
 t law has becii iu opei'^vhicii wi.- ^■x -^.r oiit '>f tlu! live.-, .Mi 1 
 m ich opposition to i.^^n j-v sit ir..''!:5 •.hl-vk in plac s ' i: tl- ' 
 liable to carry ii cuor^a oV tii .• j!v,i'-i f.f tl.o :»fiv.;n. Lan 
 ntniber for Gi«ndv:lU..^f(jty ,;-y i,-.^._. qilv w-Mit up 'i irin^' tl." 
 .said that there shou!..r monVH, t it i-i tfio 3nti;r i, in' i'-c ; 
 ulatio"3. of t>'»p!enib?r and the ''c^'i.'nir, ,4 .:"<.» •- ' 
 
 !i— "dardiv that. cmwd-.l s^h:-" •.!> f ;* t;:«; fi-li cf t\ 1 ya-s 
 
 'ell, I should prefer if tlil'Cendi J, wiii-^h sli iw.^ th^it tii.- .-t-.e^of 
 udcused into one shoicr {;as "Jiaco ininr.jvo.l. When th- .^tn-.vn , 
 is expedient that thc< wnslicd .T.v.'ar, ir can prxlnco no fi-ii — i 
 spa-'cd to I'r.r- jurs or to tho 6 ill water. i!9 j 
 •" H c'ii-\ EvT?ry r.on knowj \\rki the 
 
 t.i'.rmn yi'-ldj h>--j::x 1,o.jo iv.\ f.j: e? .-h ;/jund 
 of In o-.in "-cm!!:. Ti:..*, a :\':r.: n > f ; J po-ird*, 
 prcdiO'.-'* 1.'','jC") f'/iTi. 1! •.•/;•.:.: cn'iir.^i ia 
 •Jo r^?. v.-!^i!.\i l'a>lv.-<> I :>, tl;.; ]i:r. i.'r-' ,;ri- 
 s^:; ,..>a'd •■• con:a'.; 'i.j i.v«"..». .•.-.•i :'. • r;,*:)t lito 
 ftfi.i.de i.v.i ; rt'.i.l !'.!•, •• v.'i.'j i'i\ v.* c.) ;-.: 'l ;l;'-i 
 .-ay riiere li i.uT!y .h d .lor^t^c-v C ; 'Tiia:-.* ; •'• it.- 
 'i.V ''r^' b.twocrj I'., i.wi. :.': ., :tn I. ■!: 
 I',' I.-, il:-.' : !.".ioi. .T. ••.':'.x''.ii..-'v • .;::e. 1 '•-.ve 
 ;• / my !• .;.i .ii liter.i :tl .<\ ;.v.,.-- • \'.:r,^. T :*•/ 
 a;e iI.-.m q liu- p:i~-Jvf. a:.d rardly ••♦..<■•» v. ;v-ii 
 y./i ij;,i- ; fhi-u;. honci? '.iie f.itiil ftcili'v <• * d'-.« 
 t:iv. li';; ti -n. Tl.f fi'rn il- d ■; o-"'-: hic • ;•'.• . .1 
 t'ie 3tri.iiii:, .".iid '.!i? ni.«'.,' li;* '.-^l:,.: '. ii-r. \v!i Ij 
 l!i')i;^ni- cf trc-i" i-'t- \.-.i:;i,!.^ f.,r:!r.'.' d».\<ri, 
 ready toii'v.\:r ii.c!> ■ j?-. rr- :. ■..: i-.-v.iy. Ti'-^ 
 (•>r.'^ i:? t-i!. -d hy i'K c.:;iii: : .u: lii=f ";".!'•, 
 .■mil l,.'.!'dly 5 [nr cent, ar'' cv'-^r f.?'i ei'.'e J, 
 which i.i t!'? rcrtsr.n wliy so l;;-.' ». ;•' n'j»-r i-^ 
 loit. [f .tM liie 0V.1 tf wii'.'h inv* h- a . f-i-i.-.J 
 froi:i fJrui'.-. i!Ic spoke, citi? tu . ia'iri:y tlie 
 (' ij "A )\i\n iK-cme io nunmr'. ; pj I .1; -ly 10 r** 
 able ti s">i!n i.i tin? .«'."■.. ^^•'■•.ii". h..\^r. > 
 Ti'-'^r^ is ar.'iiher cvso be^ij^j :ii---e n:inn''j 
 bv nr ho.i i'.iend, v.l;ic!i iej.n.vs •.! » i -"i >■» 
 fl^!;<;ri.:^ Vi.'> herri: ,; ;'j nrsr i';« ;•'. re^n 
 (i.'p.'si'. ll:'?ir V'z'. and wi^e-. r ;:* T.-r ira.r.Tirij;, 
 canri'.' re'ain t'.ien: I'mz'T. .'^ j;-ii< ih'.T. (.••rrif;; jn, 
 in i '.lie fs'iare ' ir:'.vii r.;>i:i'i>n :*-» '-^-j!. I 
 have :icn b'r:! .' i".'! C'o'iiT lyir.? ;•.♦. ;''.e'ie« 
 rtr a f'ot in d'-iih .ilonj; (I*.o ihun?. ■■••1 n^ttn- 
 ly ti.ey. bi'. "i-'jir .^pawn rr-* d"^' ■ y-^. T!i<«y 
 are • '..ked up by I'le aj^iind- .r..i ^ ■■'• .i.tti.in 
 al)!?' '.ii" coast for f»';d or :.:.i . ..c. .-% pioii 
 
 !!)'' iiPt> '.JT I ■.•fin*.; 
 
 •v.- r.Vi 
 
 ;l;ii;<i .ire jil,'..-d in li <• fit. I..-. •r'c:e I '" 
 
 crie< i)v 
 
 i.ik' 
 
 in :i!'v o'.S'^r v> ty th.ai! i-y siaki- r.-i>"v;-ij sriiU 
 ine-!i»». I; w.i;i!d ! '; tl:^po.^ii^.^'' *.-.• .!■» .I'.vay 
 \«';i; ••: -se ii>'*?, I'lr il-.p:" II-.' ri>;'.;- c- .*: ."tVil 
 «•;'„ tlioni \.!iich '..di<n^ to :''. t . -, •■? vrh-i 
 wish \•^ preSvT ■•" tiicm. It ii i;;'!r-» 
 to iri-:.it on d? p-in*, :'• a." i.on. 
 nici!,! '•- dijo?. vriio ii.13 ir.tr I'.icl .t bill i.r. 
 til? .- i' j?cl i:: tl)'.' i^;»'.vrr 1! -ii-e — I •..• ..■• i-* • c.v. 
 •i;.ni!ifr fi;r M-ijiq::.' <'Mr. Ir •:.• .—••;" r» 
 ivb.iiiiii; ,;;•.•''-••; fi.v-d 11:* •.■•.•.jr-'-.--*- Hri-ii 
 -.veir.? are a!;:^ re^-rrc'l t • k- b '•■:, rip • •.••ive 
 Hy fiiU' i-.f I!..' ii:;."-y r.>.M'. ••!•••." a 1 ■.•- "." • ■* 
 b.-'uii; \v irs ;■» 10 iio prri.ii'oj \\\\t !\ '.«:. "ivi? 
 f <•» l"^ :.'.r , ■vA a rcT !h»' T* •\'yi cT w.'-.ii:-!? aio 
 to bo ivc-fi^iKli.-i ('f an incli ^'j!;.!.*. ii" <":-'.»r (•> 
 .•l;ii".w ii;j yi-i;p<: f \ \'. :-, ^.l■^ior. ri'!'' ! v ..r'«.'irr 
 fiih to 1 ..va['>. Tri>, f ba- «» s -.'^^ ■: •"< • ■' •. :^" 
 liih !\in;:in t'.e-e fishT:. • i'.t !• -•• ti !■? '••■■- ors-i:< 
 f'?f. c'-e;-, bat I'lis '* w..iitin d'^-,'.- 'ir"i.->-. '-.r.-J i 
 tliink liicrc'b' aid i'" n ci.'.!;.-.' in ;■:•■ i i , '. ,'. 
 afi^r a (.nriiiin tiin • i.f i!''^ ;?" ■' r^o T-i^ori-.'* 
 «li.)ai I i? rer.v-ved. A- f.ir r vy;,,^ i'- <t '"e--" 
 f.-bPii-; may not i«:ll =a!m jp. wiy. i: ;; i i'.':;'>n 
 g oi ill". J them. I doii't see why it «ho'.;ii -. :' i o 
 taken — Hsl* i-j.iy m well be r u?" : in r-e T.-^.y 
 a.? ar.ot'r.'^r. \ r-vrided i^ ij d'^u* d ir-'r? ti;* ^•'^■\\ 
 5-nj:n,h.il t.h'rre '\* "x cert'iir. t'rr • wV|.»-j »^'-r n 
 Ci'.?? .ml gril 50 b«'2in. a jd the rr.c^i.-'.s orcr ti".*^ 
 
18 
 
 I 
 
 g(\]>« and in hII other nrtd shoiild be liir^e 
 eiiMUKh t> iilif/w tlipin !o pel through freely. 
 My li'.a. fVk'ii'l, whn spoki lut, nlliidcd in liin 
 ri:t)i.rk-t tn 1|r» lliviT Ourllp, tluiujjli lii> <ii(l not 
 mention it by ntinio, uinl mays s^lin.m liavubien 
 ktViWD l(» 3[»iiwi ill i;ii'(5c qMii'UiiiiM below tho 
 dam whk'Ii tn.w ojii-.l'i. I huve u.ill.ofi i:pl)f);li 
 hrmiulnd 1-1" 'li.iV s;r,-.im -.'.mi have .ioi'ii Uv !!..i 
 i!|)uwi;i:i){ ,n il. W'licre I'lo i; vi;i j^ ercct'.'il by 
 Mr. King, i!h' .'..'I'lon c.imiot pfoi, up, i'.Uhoiigb 
 they .ii.ty bu iibic, a* it i:] said, lo ascend liie 
 dam bdD.i^jinj? !() ili<! lion. nuMiii'T. \ l\wv 
 jjttico for Salmon th vii liie iipjicr >v,i!oii .1" ilii.-* 
 ri.'.r dofi not .xiist, but il i.i alni"st iijidj.-c to 
 uUtinpt to maki.' a pa:i:-agc ikjw at llic wali-r la 
 ubJilly .so low that 't" liie mil! li t.) be worked 
 tL) fiih c.mnut m-t up. V\ itii a fi w oxcfption^, 
 sucli 113 thi:!, almost all the rivcis cmu I>o made 
 valiiablo. mid 1 thii,',; it 1,4 tiic ihiiy cf ilic (Jov- 
 •.Ttmiori' o iL'j Ilia*, ai! mill d;iiiKi .shall have a 
 proMcr llih pasi. Thi.i •.•.icasurc propoacii thar 
 the (iovornmi.'n* shall pny halt the e.\pen-ie. It 
 mi^iit b;> still t.iircr if M; > (eovcrntnf-ni tJiiiJer- 
 touk iliii whole Cost ; hL''.vcvc'', it a bi'ticr to 
 have lialf a loaf than no bread, and hiudly a 
 mill owner wtio knows the .sport that the sal- 
 TUoa would allbnl him, and the u^c ilii-y would 
 b».i to the cownln-, will rei"ii?o to contribute, 
 flle.'u.) 1 have tr.ivt'll'.' 1 'hioii(^Ii Norway and 
 fj'Mid with a ^Tcat dial of pleasiuo that the h.-^h- 
 iiij; riKhta tiiero are ca!cf..i'»' provided for. 
 tvery mill dam ba-) a pie^.s, and dnrin;^ ccrtiiin 
 dHvsof tlie week — y;i-;da\i and •! ilidays — th" 
 iUli aro allowed t)|i,i.-.-!. Wlu-revi r liiere is a 
 u dam and a nidi, iheie i.s a stroiij: le.-.ther bag- 
 or apron arranged .-^o that I'.-.e wiiole vsweefi- 
 in>;,i of .sawdn.-il and ol'vr rabbi.ih fr'in the 
 mill are throwij '.ijion one lioor, ami not an atom 
 of sawdu:;t or a riliavin;; of wood \a iliruwn i^to 
 liie river, but tlio whole aro r.fierw.\r l.i bm.T; 'd. 
 'l\vo-third^ id' the piip.,latir)n (d' N'orwry exist 
 altogether on lidli, eorn, bran and corn bread ; 
 the li.sheries are a ino.st iinpor:«nt sonrrc of pro- 
 fit to them. I may meniun) ci} fniisunt. that there 
 is };oing to be ne.\t summer a fi.slnry exhibition 
 lit ikrgen. In my ea;i:icity a^ one of the Vice- 
 jon.snl.ft for Norway, I invite honoruljlu pnntle- 
 inen to visit it at their oivn e.tpon.ie. [Hear.] 
 Ttipy w.irit all nations to shew their 
 curioiin kind* of net:!, and thfi produrts 
 ♦;f their fiiiherie.-'. [ile.ar.] My hon. I'riond made 
 Home remarks in rejf.ird to Coranianihr Fortin, 
 who, it would seem, want.3 to be Commis doner 
 of Fisheries down below. There i.s no do; bt 
 that Capt. Fortin i3 a very eflicicnt ofTlcer, who 
 has done all he could do in his cipacity, hut I 
 think the charge has tieen too great for him, for 
 ino North Shore has never .?een anything of 
 him. That Shore ha:» never had ju.sticc done to 
 it. The schooner Canadienne ia a great deal of 
 tho tima on the Soutli Shore, where there are 
 Courts established, and suitors can have justice 
 il'thoy resort to the meana provided, but she is 
 only for a very short period on the North const. 
 Oommodoi-e Fortin has no doubt the control 
 df hlsscrvici^, but not being a departmpntal ofii- 
 
 irden i.poQ 
 '^gOf:», bill we 1 1 
 
 cer, he tnuit receive bij imtructiraid from h 
 
 offieiHl chief through some one ehargeii wis 
 
 .such dutie.-, in the departmnnt. What he wmvJ^C; ";;;;;,; Jj 
 
 Mtolw Commu.ioner r,t Crown I.anda ; ^ V^Je: . now 
 
 there arc oMicis, I think, who kv.ow qmtt -^^y y,.^, ,.-!) 
 
 wel! as !.c what ought to b" done witV the th:,^\ '^i .',,,.' 
 
 or;e-^. aiM of e.)iir;e tho dv-parimv nt:il oflic. 
 
 who gives him hid in.'^tructi. lis (i".^ht to be, 
 
 not his siipiiicr, at least his icpi d. iHear ) .NjJJj 
 
 do:djt the l*'i.-jheried 15;ancl> Inn I) irn miich u'J 
 
 siniiteil 111 its op!;r,:tion>», and bus had to cc 
 
 tend with the antMgoni.-m and entMiinter iL, 
 
 aniiiio.-iiy cf'., iv.m.s prejudiced .igain^t it, iU.^^^,,^ jj, ^l^^. | 
 
 who h.. .c tlieir own ends lo aerve ; hut it W'y|ft (j^. ii,(. niea 
 
 be the duty ut' the governnn-nt if .iii; I i!! p;., • -2Li rTcar 
 
 to e:irry it nut with a slioughund and or;c.iii;,*m! ' *" ' ' 
 
 that IJr ni'h a.-; it oiigin m be. N.<w as lo 11 J~r^.\ , 
 
 salariis lo overseers, mv hon. fricml has m";^*9|-'-'' ,"",'' . 
 
 telUer) li.ad sai 
 
 lit k ;■> ;li 
 ^crniiit-nt w 
 I p ;.•>■!, i\ji' 'I 
 jfjr lif, Hiid 
 
 /n-n .-ea 
 Rcr. : it will 
 
 arw s lo overseers 
 tioiied ilie law onlv allows -^,400 to bo "iven f , 
 each sid of the St. Lawrence, and as lie p.]«&«'"> .1>«'1 " 
 tent of country i.s very great, tho povt'rnnie:*°P'"""^""" "^ 
 has been at the pains to 11:, d I'artlcj lihc; 
 
 \nu tor a vet 
 
 ei^o the Hon-: 
 otiervation. T 
 
 thft 
 
 lion, mom 
 
 enoiign to 'ake the matter 
 
 small rei. uieralion. I w '! a.^k mv 'i'.— ,_ , 
 
 friend whether . lich ft in:i:i as .Mr. ComJau w.T^ particular 
 not an ellicient oliicer ? TIumc are persons w! 7^/' , [" , ".' " 
 maintain thai beca'i?c tiiev have b.^cii engag. "P*'"' .,*",''/ ^ 
 in the )islier;.-:i thev kn'nv evervlhiug ah. i '*fP**"'''''^\'", 
 them, and if my Iimi. friend receives his '^JS-d Itor-' 
 form.ition from a certain peroon — a relative i^^^f*^*-'' " '^- 
 his own— H"" ^'f. I'H 
 
 lion. Mr. T.FITI- IJ.IER - Let the 'nn, pentlf^'',^ !^!'^ '■'; 
 ni.m be a littli; 1-sb persouul in hi^ refu-.rk?. !2|!,, . !'^ ,i"',7,'. 
 
 v.'ould not do him lie.' same iniu tic: he doc; •,?Tijij' ,'^ . 
 ,^j, •• iw^Mr. Puce 
 
 M'l'.e l);i'l done 
 Hon. Mr. PlIICE— I would aak if my hrr. ^ 
 
 fiiend considers that K^f.'ilcman a iiractica ^^'' ' ,,' 
 
 man ? ' ^ '« ;^''' ' 
 
 dOttie III the ' 
 Hon. Mr. I ETELLIi^R -I have, priithcrcd ni.^j^ij,,, [^.^i^^ j 
 
 ricN>.. iis the Hon. « lommi.s.sionpr of CroM.|^ j^, relates 
 
 l-ands did, from a vaiietv of *>•;' :: s. ^j^^^ sea.s'on 
 
 Hon. .\!r. V'lMOi". — I 'ili'ient aitei/ion !;ftAj|d re believe 
 
 not yet been ]'x\d i.- our n- i.erii'S to give us pertaiturc- consid 
 
 •}ons thorongMy aefj'iiiiatei! with iL. ,s;!' y-et th4 part of th 
 
 \Vc could brio , them hev from o'ber coi.i.'rif.-lJ||e new Bill 
 
 but wc have i:. i, got ihem .iniong u?, though '^^^eJ^niption. J 
 
 liave tho«e wlio coiiiu very soon ac-^aire tlie ir^^fcds might 
 
 ces.5ary lr".\vierige. 'Ihe p'jison e.liudcil to j,i il^^ change, ai 
 
 niiw is •. i^)nncction rf the .lou. mcmbo,- fn ;:Wi- consider tl 
 
 Griii;d'''lU', ,'.iid one whot:i I huvcahvay. ki.oi.v:.fig|jiug tr/^e o 
 
 as a friend. lie ha.s even been a i>ar'ner 1 190taplai!,.;)g 
 
 mine in some of his fisheric, bu^ although li:-lioj>rd an oppo 
 
 theoretical acquirements • c very great, ur.f.n-of supplying i 
 
 tunatcly for him and for ine and tho.sc who fiavi ffjed thet gill 
 
 iiad anything to do with him, cveiybody KnowindS; be placed 
 
 that he has never sr.cceeded. He must then bavonfjfcr the first 
 
 some fault — probably a Wfint of judgment. Th.nili Rtormv w. 
 
 officers acting under the fisheries branch — thf-ftjiron >•, -. S 
 
 Inspectors, Mr. Blais and others — are uscfiMirtli, if it beci 
 
 men, and if they are only supiiorlt'd by tL'^e hon. Com 
 
 Government in carrying nut the law, as theyMbrmed him 
 
 outiht to 'le, they will, eventually, be n most cf-»ij|tance to tTV 
 
 ficicnt staff, and bf^fore long we shall seo resultsgSlll too great, 
 
 creditable to the Government and tho couutry.tiHj Cominitte< 
 
 The fisheries Mrvice has, indeed, Vttberto been m 1» tinderati 
 
n 
 
 I iiiftructioiid from ii^ ir J .1 . r 
 
 , , li'liirdea i.pon ihe country, M fur an cxitense 
 
 , . „,, '*. I«W!>, iHit wo have somi! iiuliact conjpeiisfttioH 
 
 r,t Crown f'^n.Ja I :.,,.^J^.^ J,,^^ . ,,^_,, „,^ ^.ndf fi.laMip' 
 Ic, who Kv.ow (jiiitt ' '^ 
 
 :') li" (1()!H.- Will- iho f: 
 
 rreiv V'ar, wh'i' hcv'n viv«M air" (liiTu v/t-re 
 
 ^ , ;, ' ; noli, urc ll).;:i turo <.r ihrfL ; .i CiiaiiKf, iwiii;:, 
 
 t I.'."!M"i If "■'\<mcnmv.-n^ ivill . . •uiim.., ..sr., if l!u-; bill do,M 
 ,'■ V ' ,' ■ ' '■"*'', •* 'not |'.-^ loi- 'hi- birintv .«'.-st.ni will in;ik(! s:iil- 
 
 '», iiud hu:i liail '.;> c 
 .-in ami ct'.oiinter : 
 'j:uii(;-t'(l .i^jilriat. i(, 
 3 U) atTvo ; buc it w 
 iTinnMit if •nil I i!! j,ii • 
 lon^li.'uul ;inJ or;C.ii. 
 I" lie. \>)\v ;n 10 il 
 
 ortf': 
 ing .IV 
 
 ib, Hi'il U.I'll' i.i 110 li.-ltcr nic.ins (if niak- 
 
 ri icii 'frii than by tniitiinir liiem ns tish- 
 
 .rwi;-. it will iriccasc Uis iiir oer of vesseln 
 
 ^ owvii-ii i:i tliL' Low;'r St. Liiwrenci'. Hiid evcntii- 
 
 u\lj bi' llic nieuiis of doliig an iiniiieiise doal of 
 
 ga^d. (;"uar, heai-.) 
 
 JBiKi '•'r. LETKI.I.IEU "nid tiio bon. mcmbrr 
 lioi) fritjiid li.'i.s m !•*'***'•'■'* ""'^ liuvp. iitlribiileii wbtit lie (Mr. Lt;- 
 w.-t -400 to bo ''ivcn f **Wicr) bad said to any otu! person in purticu- 
 rcMci' and as lI e o-'*'*""'^ bad no grounds for doiiiq; so. The 
 gi'i'at' llu' (rovcTunic^^'*^'^""^''"'^ ''^ I I«'-'leHifr| iiad conimuniciit- 
 to liiiil vai-ilvj iilic' ***''^" ''"' "'^"■^" ^^'i"* g'llliei't''^ li'^i''- and tbcrc t>y 
 tci- : !: liui tor ;v voi®^""^"'''^"- Then as to i<iicakSn;'' of lh> oflioial? 
 [ w '! ask liiv h I ^''* '"'"• "''''"''*'r liiniseif Imd lione the same, 
 riiin a-! .Mr'CunK'ni w '^''* parlicidar jK'iion to whom the bon. nieu> 
 Tiiorc'are persons v.I*^/^^*-''"'"^"! ''^ j^avinp prompted bim^'r. b-- 
 te||ier) t(» !"iy v.du' be b<»d sai.l w i.^ i.i no sense 
 
 i^= .Mr. <,onK'aii w 
 lore are |>cr.sons w 
 :.ev have tieeu enj'a^ 
 
 rolponsibio i. 
 
 but Uiv» Slat"nient3 be bud 
 
 nnv evirvihiiiB' ab. -, , , . , , , . . , , 
 
 n-iend rec^■'iv(.•,^ bis i"^*^ '""^ *''^ '■'■'' "'^ ''" '''*'' f M'-'S^^'d h'^ii Ijcen 
 I pcs-jon — il ria'ive 
 
 ' nl'or::''.',! I from tlie public. 
 Mr. I'FUCE .«nM .<!ame of the observ.a- 
 
 U Let t!ie 'nn. pen 
 oiial in hi^ rfi'K'.:li3. 
 inio injii.lic:; li.' dt-c 
 
 vould ask if 
 ger,ik:ran a 
 
 my 
 
 pr; 
 
 in -I have. fr;ithercd m 
 mnd.-i.siiinPi' of 
 :v of s')':' ;• .-i. 
 
 d^ive 
 
 ilon 
 tions of tbe bon. lucinh t s-emed to bim to indi- 
 cate th:i* 'leei; T'.uin'i! sum'' ;in';no<siiy aj/ainst 
 ,offc;i';-i ol tbe d-'p;'.r',ii.'nt, and foi Ibis reason 
 'W'fMr Pi ice had ihouplit it bi;' duty to .^peak 
 B»<hv liad done. 
 
 Hon. M". M.I^FIEU.SON' said b' tvish- 
 
 ecP' to rrill tlio attention of tbe IInis^- to 
 
 coiae ol the provision 5 of tbi.-s Hill, bi-arinij 
 
 nri^tl.e bake lisiierie.s. In tbe ex'.iiiig act, so 
 
 ^'"^ t'Af a-=i fvlates to salmon Irot.i, tl.cr-: wiia no 
 
 brr 
 
 ictiea 
 
 tclbsr spa?,r)n on Lake.-; Huron and f-aperior. 
 
 'ilb'ient atti-i/ion !;« Attd re believed this exemiition was ii-.ade after 
 
 l>':,erii':! to ;:;vr: us per-taiturc- consider •! ion, ftn<i extend-d incpiiry on 
 
 Ut! with lb. .i;i"'y"(t th4 part of the Committee who consii'^ied it. 
 
 ■I" from o•l•c•rcol.l,'ril•^l?||B new Bill proposed to do away with tbis 
 
 ui aiiior:;: us, 1 bough -v-ej^niplion. tbe hon. Comrais.Moner of Crown 
 
 :ry .soon ac-iair? the ir^-Ljiinds might frame some reasons for makinp 
 
 le pf:i3oii aiinded to ja tli^^ change, and it would be for tbe Committee 
 
 die .1011. mfmbo,' fri ::tO' consider them. Persons interested in tbe 
 
 ni I have nhvay . .ki.jrt:.fighiufr (r.-le on •. >ose Lakes had written to bim 
 
 en been a par'n'T i<80lbplaii,.;i^ of tbe jirnpo.sed change. Hi. 
 
 ?ric,5, b:;. nlthoiigli lii-haj'f J ar. opport'.inily would be alT.'rded them 
 
 !• very great, ur.f.n-of supplying information. Tbe Bill ul^o pro- 
 
 me and those who hav>«f|Bed thet gill nets used in trout fisbinf: sbuuld 
 
 him, eveiybody knowiuflit be placed within five miles of the shores, 
 
 ded. Hernust ri.onbave^irter the ♦irst day of September. In the d-Mp 
 
 Th:«jpJ storiov wafers of Georgian Hay, and La'ies 
 
 -thffiqron '-. ', Superior, the cflfect of this pro^is- 
 
 nd other.s— are uscf>;!io|i, if it became law, would be probibiiiou. 
 
 ly supported by tI.eTfce bon. Commissioner of Crown Lands bad 
 
 oat the law, as thev^oimed bim, t;..;t hi ]■:.)• csed reducing the 
 
 want of judgment, 
 fi.sheries branch 
 
 bv tI.eTfce bon 
 
 ventually, be a most ct-4j|tance to two uiiie;. V.lw.dher this was rot 
 
 Dng we shall sec resulUci^ too great, would be for the cons'-ieration of 
 
 racnt and the couutry.tllj Committee. He highly approved of the plun, 
 
 iodwd, Vtthertc been ■§ bt Tuidentood it. pi«oj»twed Wy thf bcm. Cnti*- 
 
 rtli.^3i1nera of harlnjc'the Fiill reprinted, iHamond* 
 ed, and distributed widely among ihoie interested 
 ia the trade, 8o t'la' lii 'y iniglil biivc it f>r enu- 
 sideralion d'jring the retc.-..-. Thisi would en- 
 al 11' thein to present tiieir views to the tjoin- 
 uiitti-e. 'i'i.o.te e.iguged in iho Ldke (i.-herie« 
 led ti laborious uu<{ precirious life, and ho wni 
 « oe iUeir iaiere-it, Wculd receive f.,;l consid T- 
 ation fr iiM the (J'.'ininitlee, and fri;rii Ibiit ll-'use. 
 Jfoii. .Mi'. i;V.\.\ bi-gged to usl. the boo. 
 (/omnii^ioner of t.'iowii Lands wli'ih'.- lie in- 
 tendi.M referring tb.: bill with the amcndin.'iuta 
 he i>roi)osed mtiking to a Special (.■omn)itt?e, 
 and whether al io be would be prepared to cf>n- 
 .sider any otlier amendineiita which iniglit be 
 oll'ered in Committee. 
 
 Hon. Mr. CAMPBELL replied that be h>id nn 
 o' v'ction whatever to bdlow any cjr.r*e the 
 L.iise iniglit deem best, and would be prcpar- d 
 to acceiii any amendments which might cb-nr- 
 ly apiH'ar tj bj for tbe improvement oftbe 
 mea=i.re. 
 
 Hon. Mr. McPHKU.SO\ tbonglit tbe best w.-iy 
 woiihi be to make all tbe amendments to tlie 
 bill wiiicb tin House might desire, and then to 
 jirint it for dislritiution among the parties most 
 inleic.-tt .1, so that tbcy might bav<! the opja-rtu- 
 nity wl.f.i ic came up at next sesjiju to express 
 lli'.'ir vic'.vs upon its merits. 
 
 Hon. Mr. liV.\.N' said that tbe bill embraced 
 some important improvements iiy>on tbe law as 
 now existing, but be thought it did not do all 
 that was needed. There was, f tv instance, no 
 piovi;!wn for tbe remedy of a i .actiee which on 
 all sides was admitted to be a great nb'.i^:-?, he 
 meai.: tlie 'lischirge ofsaw-dufta? th-.- mills in- 
 to thf ijfp'arns u|)on wbicli they were creeled, 
 and by wtiich means there w^as .'in imraense de- 
 struction of fish. He thought the law should 
 nj.ike it corr.n;.;sory uimii all owners of p'lch 
 mill- to C'.";s';me the saw-dusf, and ?h.? wast* 
 wo!»d and sl.tb?. which were now got rid of by 
 thrown. jf f!icm in the writer. Then be also 
 tbonglit tliat some more etfectual means of neu- 
 tralizing the evil results of str.kc nets and other 
 fi.ved engines which all tbe wor'd over were re- 
 garded as detrimental to the fi.3!ieries, should 
 lie .idopted,and that at any rate op^n ways to 
 allow the fish to pass the dams would be pro- 
 vided. 
 
 Hon . Mr. LETELLIER de St. JUST— In the 
 St. La'vreiice ? 
 
 11 in. .Mr. RYAN" — Yes, that was where thej 
 were most wanted. 
 
 Hon. Mr. LKTCLLTER de St. Jl'ST— It 
 
 woaid be easy ei.oi'gb to op;n them, but tbe 
 
 qne-:'ion would be about Bbutting them when 
 
 once open. That was not so easily done as said. 
 
 Hon. Mr. RYAX — In that case an increased 
 
 value would be given to public property and for 
 
 bis J art be would have no objcoiii/ii to lea^e 
 
 t hem always .?pen. It would probably not suit 
 
 , the views of persons who wanted to make large 
 
 ' profits out of the fisheries, bnt thos«> who had 
 
20 
 
 I 
 
 i 
 
 the public pn( (I nt luun wn.' 1 pp-f-r it ho. 
 Good siipe'.i.iUnrJenco would L'; p'ljiiireil to 
 make tlie law iMi3V,'cr till' PtvN pni;iO!»H. Tl:? 
 bill providctl for hucIi ?.i;i(.>nt)t'iiil' mcp, nnd it' 
 I'mt w ■..■! ;fivi'ti ami llio pfuul ; iTnpn^'Ml np- 
 o:t tivs;)i;s.-. .; were (l:il_v Ii'>';;<i, tli" liill wmil.l 
 he. n jjniit improvi'iir.-iii ,ipon l!."' t'xi^;ii);; ' ',\t. 
 'I^'io best v,v\v to (Icnl willj tli<! ui"ii ..iro Jurv 
 wm ♦'• ^nako it ii.^ ])ort'c'ct nu ]"ij;iblt', fli'-n tf» ' 
 p. I.. I it nml "'is '11' lie it rtmoii^^ll.M'! vri'S i~'<t I 
 int"iT«tC'(l. S.1I ttiat wlicn it cam •.;■. 'f>r liir i' ac- 
 ti.<n til'' lio'.nc. I'l'i'' t iiiuc" 1 ■•iih ili" ii'lvi'-- 
 t:igo of anvl'iirllicrsuji;?'" •.!.' i'= v.','cli "spr-icM - 
 0(1 pri .t'A'al ni:a mijj i I'i'v.; t. o..". r. vm it. 
 wai "ibn l)il. n-ij a creilit to tin; Inn. Cnniin'H- 
 fsiotirr of (,'!\.Uii Liinl.-!, who (liHcrvcil 1bii"!cj 
 f,;i tiir p.iirs 1..' l':iil tiila'ii to iiinko .1 in it \v:c<, 
 Tory sujK.;i.>r lu thi. law now in fotvo. 
 
 Don. 11-. P;' I^RAIMM: sii.l a fi-w won! •, 1 ;,• 
 \:.i) f'C. .;,^ iir "' ".r- lurtln'r aitiOiMiiii'-nt, l!'-! 
 I.>'(MiJc Dulu:") ui w.n .'.J <()uli net bi; umlcr.ilooJ 
 in tl.u gallery. 
 
 Hon. Mr. CAMPUKM. sni;l tirit lij- lun. 
 friciKl wlia h.u\ i'u'it frrnmcntiMl upon lu ■ re- 
 marks (Ii.)... hir 2>. F l.'olie.iii) Inii (iv;Tlo"kf'(l 
 r provi.d"! of the hill wliic'h ni'jt his oljjv'c'.ici 
 I....-' •• of i! ■ •>rritci.''.i;n to iiio ctul lis!i»'rv, 
 nurl I 1 >. Ir .J. I ;ml)fr l-.p.(l r? ..1 tn tiio Hoii.-'^ 
 po''tion.5 C'f ihi' [;ciK>it ff a (■•inirnittoc tc lin? 
 o'l.or bra;.' i: of till' Le^i.-'ntiire to :ho fuUow- 
 iag cUbct ; - 
 
 " Ilaii'l li-:hin;^ linr.^ am tli<' pri;'ripal nv^nti.J 
 n.nil(! '.;.- Mif til fatcli rixl in ''aiiadiaii watcis 
 On the North HIi'Tc tia; seitu- ;> rir-itioli'ar'-j, l.af 
 seldom, employ I ■!, ami at llie MajT<ialfii Island.^ 
 set lines wero formerly ii'jd. Practical ni"n 
 maintain tliat the ll^:e of ihc i^ri.ie i-; ruiiiou-s, ".s 
 it destro.) s a cpiaiititv o," vt ry jmaV. ;: id, a;id, on 
 the ollic:- Iiaiii', they as/;p tha' .set linrs r.-anse 
 irreparable d:ni;a.i,'i', by calcliing hir|;o fi.sli si![i- 
 poscd to be inother-;ish. 
 
 " Your Comuiittee, therefore, .siicirest livi 
 aboliMon of these two latter mnde.^ (if fi.shinfi.'' 
 
 Now, if tlie h'tn. member wn\ibl refi'i- to (!v^ 
 9th section of tlie IJiii before tl:'; Hoii-<e, ho would 
 find that tlie sufr;:festin!is ot the Cr.ii,n)il to.- had 
 r:;cciv.Hl every attention, and the very rirnvision 
 fi^r whieh lie contended was made, i! iieinir thcr » 
 Btipnlaled tliat VuC nel^^ to b.' employed would 
 havcmpdies of iiol !e=:<! tlinn four inelies in the 
 arini5, and three in 1!ie bottom. And «; > nn with 
 regard to maelcoal Tliere were " ^risl. lions 
 
 f'.itiipbtdO believed thnt hcrrinff't ti:vd bft'n iii-gd^h be not 'lit 
 j'lr d tiy till' fixed <'nt!iin"<, which drstr, yt I ll.»t#iaised if Civj 
 try, and h" bid tliordr^ prpviih-d '.bat thfoPor ftcipii. ■•■••' 
 fT'Ofl nil'. 11 I he r:^.er<^l with net work. whi'h«A>areijily in b 
 wiidd Ib'-.v «li'iii to r.HiApc. Tli :), the chaMwlili' to ''.c ac 
 iict-r iind r o' ."t-ncy of tb.: dti lii-i-rrt to h'jfliftcrv privib';^!' 
 cn'ploy 'd ill c.irrv),!^ .ait tbi- Put, liad been ad-U' 
 
 •Tti'd to, 111 not iiil'i'idr;; isairicient giiarante<'tl 
 Tt it' pri.,ier e:{ec:itioii, b..l hmi. mrinber* 
 r in^'iitber that tlie amount pbiTd ntl 
 
 V . 
 
 I'lhiwiii'; to 
 ever, if a.iv 
 lonraiic lia 
 1, litit . : ai< 
 I.' "ill of il'.c '?'>ninii-t. i"!v r of (V . w ■^•t^, antl In- 
 l.aiidj lia- tlli^ <ip<-el.>l .-iervii.', was no'.tiBsivj bn.,. i 
 .'.u'.i n^ to v.arniit a larye cxpenditare.fwbrn'd it ti (. 
 ' i.'Ci''. w=! n vii-t f'Xtent of «:i)!iri'ry lnfl<|cricM oa I. d' 
 ' b' i .ol'ed after, and ii ;;reMt iimiiber ofthit tli-re w.. 
 .i\'.".\a r< rv'i.iee, rn.iuin:;- sour; thoir-andj ofsmious bat in 
 mil''", t.iil if tho work of ovfiyceii;;.^ bad to '^pt^t of one kin 
 d.)..J 1 _, lnr-'( 'y paii ;. jft'tiH no amount i.f rioiuvcUjic .seayn <ii 
 I wjich could b;; a' ijmpijated by l.irli ii:».'iit firvaipbe'' i.i the 
 , tl'ipcrpose would dii'iiy tho cspe'se. TlieiitllO thai d -scr 
 ..-! il •. lU ir.V" .^.•ibl^! to (<m; 'oy l.ir;.rcly paidTfcire \va- cert 
 ! t>i!icer<, ho h •. i done the n-.-si l)e-t thiii;^ in hi'p^ of a clos' ; 
 1 j)()>i/r, lie Ii.'d fwiiiid iliat the .-ierv '.,"?} of in-(H»n. Mr. (Jami 
 t('ii;,'en* p'actical men intcroleii in tl.f protec-nild c .aid j^cc ; 
 lb),! "1 ]•,•; Ii .heries, and who were willin;^ tno:"tbH|ni:>it hi/bl} 
 i.tim a love of I' ; .< c.ipatioii ♦.! i.? because (>i'no^ b" cipially 
 t K' r w If I, to cc-'i|)->rat'! 'n caryio r o;it tho Aijgii.sl wiicn t 
 I law c.iiibi be pecar d lo. : \ery mo i.-raic rc-fWP' food it \ 
 ni i;i.i lUcn, and he bad IberefoiC decided nponftl^i I'ft !> r( 
 ' .iv.illinj; himself of thtdr help. I'f.i far a.s hcWmr lliere wa? 
 
 onlil , 'C, this wn.i \hc. ciily praeticabli' wavof^thi.s very s 
 
 (.pc.-i at ire:3ci;' of dealinj; i\:';i that biaiirh (ifSW why tlie r 
 
 I- ; '. I. i'^ nun. memoir lor ^iiaiiiivniruiwivs uiiii,.» 
 
 ♦. T'l'' hon. membi r for (iiandvilirLnItes llan, 
 •in.iphiincd tli.it ll.c f'i;i'r!".itend.ril of tiicotber Lake.-s 
 
 and 
 
 •»VlH 
 
 Ca 
 
 t!ii^ v.'as 
 Ik was nc 
 no snch 
 For; in, 
 
 !il 
 
 if.a; L': ntiennip w 
 
 had -.11. ipliiincU tli.it W.i' I'ij'rr.itendiril of tiicOtber LaKe.-!, ) 
 Gulf (idierie.*, Captain Furliii, had not received tiM(» weri chosi 
 tl'.e 'i^anlenaiice and Hupiio'-t from the C'rownseiion in one 
 Linda Dep: i-niV'Ut nece-i^ary to en diloseijion in anoili 
 bim elil'c; :ally to dijcl..-;^r. },!,» fbiiies.tiojl it conld be 
 nn ali.-ioliite 7iiiHtak",thf. bill hclVr 
 Vctly assured that th' ivopilii ai llicre 
 impre.ssion on i!:^" miiulthf^laKi's for al 
 but that on the contrarvold law tiicrc 
 'lid be ready f) dtjclare h'.for Bi>rckled tn 
 bad rcr'.ivel all dan aid and cuui.tenance tViaiiftHaded to the ( 
 tlic Dcpartin' nt ui UiU rcpect. Captain For-giH n'''-^ mi-riit 
 tin wa.s an admiiisiralivo oilier, and he lll:)n>nd he h.ui r 
 .Mr. Canipbcll] !;:id £fieat ideriSjre in i ;r.tiii,i,'tlii8 'listauce o 
 that he diseliar^'.d tlie duties a]«pert'ii.;iii,.;ed, nii<i from al 
 t.^ hi^ li:;:'riil;;r service with llic (/.cai-gaged in tlibs i. 
 e.i o.i-T v mil iri1ei]i-;eiice. But tliir^ dii! ii.ifor al! th/ iiitei 
 r..'i!'i,'r it ii'jcrssary to institute comparisons b.'Ocr fur \ ietir 
 tv.een him and other odicers. The otlcr olllcei:.*'}'^^ t 're w.; 
 were Departmental oflieers who.'^r bn.sine.5-i ir disposal ot jaw 
 
 more or !'-'S'5 slringetit re.;alatinnr tliat Csiiery. ! was to carry out the initructioud of ;:'.c h?ad ofnot b;' tli.\)wn 
 
 There i.s .'il>;o .a !T;,-iilstio!i proiiib.ii'i^ ■' b;dtow" 
 
 lines within tlirr-e miles of the Magdalen 
 
 Island.^. The total probib'iflor. of oulsh so!ne.=t 
 
 and of set lines, althonph so decideuly i-c-.m- 
 
 mcnd' My the Oommi'iee, was nolc.rried out, 
 
 beca'.i.se r 1. deein'd ad"isahle, and i.i ('.^'f-rence 
 
 to the express opinion of Capt.iii Foi.-;:. who 
 8ay.=! that to d i so would vf>r' ' riiiLsIy and e;:- 
 neco.ssarily injure the fi:;K.:ir.en. TI:o hnn. 
 member biad al.so alluded to the herring fidicir, 
 but there were no recommendations on the sub- 
 ject in the Report he '^ad quoted. He (Mr. 
 
 the D;:p.irtment, aiul as n::cision renderial 'l nc-"'*''^'" " ^''''^ •''' 
 ccv-ary to communica'J tbcm to the C'i»,.;i;::i opf^rto ;;ie 2iid ] 
 to other.-:; as the case mi.^hi be. The iii.strar ' jn.^ vvonb' find it « 
 -w.-re not theirs but liio^e of the D.-p-.r'.- .nt.doflt wa^ not t- 
 and, of (,)Mr.se, all such ii.^tractions hid ■ ^ r^^s^e bo.cd, wonl 
 throng;, the head of the Fi.shcries F.-ancli [Mr. ^nxi ;y. 
 Whittiier] wiio, as he had already .••.tatoJ, also H-n Mr. R' 
 discharged the duties «.f his oflice •i.'iilirarc abi- tbat :l .I-ie'd i 
 lily, and he felt sure that Captain Fortin had penalty annex: 
 always received the most cordial assistance oi TElon, Mr. C 
 tbat officer in his particular line of service. In- for all infractii 
 deed, he vould now iMrn it for the first time, if 
 
-==- "^"=^ if 
 
 I'crritiff't timl brcn io-iQ:h be not 'lie ciw,', au'l Le wuiild li'cxtn iiielv 
 , which 'Ifsir, yt I i!.»f#jiii»ecl if CiiiUvin Ffjrtin liml any ktrnwlcl^r,) 
 IV piTvii!,',| '.liiiUli^oft)!' nc.i'iit.';c'i'fMn tliR cuuiiliiiiM licir in.nlo 
 aIiIi !)fl work, wlii'-h»A>iirpijily in lii« I-'IiaH'. Objor.'idn hail l),'»ii 
 v;'C. Th:i, tin* rhar-DMlili! ti> i.f .u-i;;iMiilati ii (iriuTcar.s of r.-rit tVir 
 
 rars* 
 
 if tli;: ijT) rifcrH to hi 
 
 Mm- huT, liad liwn ad- 
 
 ' jJiiHicii'iit yiiaranlO'M 
 
 b..t hi>n. niriiilfd' 
 
 ry I^^ivil»■;^^'^, wliich C >ahl ivit bj r'Milily C >!• 
 
 ,i'iimviii'( (;i .l-t'ft-< i. Ihi; 1 iw ; t!.. !•)•!-', 
 
 I'.i-r, ir .i.iy, ;ii'i •' li ' c .iirii<.>';i;ivvly tnisll, 
 
 ortiaiH' lia 1 li-ni cxi'i irtiMl inw i.il.< ihr I'.ir- 
 
 , bui iiraiH v.i.'iY' b.""2: u*"il t J oH ill thi'»e 
 
 its, ami he wa-i siUi-«lii'ii tl.cic w 'iiLl lii umx- 
 
 \w l'"-;.,. Th'- liiin. m Miib.'i'rc.rS:i'.i,^t'>'ii !iai| 
 
 rrfd li ti tliaiiK' i i tli<.' law in n-siici't ol' llio 
 
 t'ifljfcrici o.i I. tk"; llaron '-lA S.iii-'ii.iv ivlli'tfing 
 
 Pfthdt lllTC w, 
 
 11. t |iU)\ i-i'iii at 
 
 ■!i. ii" flom- 
 V H jnis..tk 'h I'.ir in r.'i- 
 
 ii^^ .'inioiint i>!ii''c»l at 
 »in»lA ioiior of C.-w: 
 \ sci'vir;-, was no! 
 
 large L-xpcnilitan 
 lent of t:ii;iti'ry 
 II ;:;!Pat nuniljer 
 
 :; som? thr)in:u\<1j ofM||puii-i, but in tlii-i h 
 
 ■ ovv:i(.'o''.r,,f Ilt! lo ^'ptft uf one iiiiul (it'ii -'-, \vli;t>: ti'ih, •li'Mf' was <\ 
 
 t^ no nntount (.t'tuoiHVcUlie siM^'ni <m iho-u lakis tVi'fn the 15111 Vu- 
 
 vif by r.irli iKK'iit hrvwplif- i.) the :.-n\\ Ndvcmb' i, «liiii'i/ vvlh<-h 
 
 ilii! i.-iiH''S'.'. ThPiitlai^ that <1 ■scTiption nl'li-li was not in !'<• raa;,'lil. 
 
 oini !oy lar/cly paidT^ire wa-i certainly no iii:-tinct provisifni in ivh- 
 
 n"Ki l)(-:^t tiiiiij; in hi'p^ Ota cl()6' :u'ii>i):i in tin- old net, btit In; 
 
 hat the scr\'.."sof in-(Hen Mr. Oaniplr-ll | ll. .uijjlit llii;re should itc one 
 
 tero-jliiii in tl.;' iirotccnud Ciuid ."Cf a',nM.-on wliv wliitu lisli, oiii' of 
 
 •ho were v.iliiii;» nio:'>thf!ni;'::t lii/'ily pn/.od .>f onr lake lis!), slmiiM 
 
 lion *.ri.' Iicciinsic (yfnol b" ciiually pr.)ti->'ied. In .Idiie, .In''- and 
 
 ■; Ml car;, in : o;it llicAlBii.st wiii'ii tlii.s fish was suCl undaliiiogt iiiilii 
 
 f.iod It wa5! caniflit in large (luantili^'.^ 
 
 lid l.'l'i ! ) rot on ;hi' beaches, and in lliis 
 
 far as hcW^ there was a p.oal do.slriiction and waste 
 
 (.'lily priicliiMblr WiUOf^this very siipi rior tish. IK; could not well 
 
 iif,' >\;!h that l-raiirh (ifser why the r.slrictitni should imt apply to 
 
 neinbi r for (iiamlvilicLiijccs linn, a and rinporior as well ns to the 
 
 >'i;"f I'.itendiril i,f tlicolher Lakes, ]).()vidinpc always tiia'. the jirop.-r 
 
 •rlin, had not reccivorltime we-.-.' cli"-en, a-» It w.ts ])os ilUe that the 
 
 pc-t fn.ni the C'rownsetion in one place r.iijht not Ij- tlic e.vat I 
 
 e-j-,ary t;^ en ihloseiion in another. If there w.i:? such a dl-^ iiie- 
 
 ich.'"i;e lii.j dniiei.tioil it could be ascui-taiiied and provided for in 
 
 aiHoIiite iiiistak'-,thf. hill bc-n.ro it hucanie •l.iw. 15al in his 
 
 assured that th- i-copJui ui there should b;- a close season on all 
 
 ion on iIk; niiiHlthtlaiu's for all kinds "\' iisli, wlierras i:i 'he 
 
 hat on tlie fMntraivOld law flierc was a gi-iicral close ;,ea-;on or.ly 
 
 re.-uly to deci.ire h'.fur Bi"''"i<lt'd trout. Tin- lio-i. tmniber !i.id also 
 
 nd cuui.hMiaiue iViaiialltldeil to the distance from '!, ■ slior.' at which 
 
 lect. Captain I-'or-gUI nrts niijrht be l>!aci^'l. It w.is now hve niih.-.i 
 
 ollic r, and he lli)n.''nd 
 
 X vory mo.ieratc rt-for 
 refo. 
 Iielp. 
 
 iherefoiT deelded npnnfti 
 
 he h.ni reiliiccd it to two mile-:, niakli 
 
 t I lefiSjrt' in 
 
 r.tiiiL'thii uistaiice only where fteiniii'.;- f^round.s e.Kist- 
 
 duties niipertairijiijed, and from all he cotild learn from parlies en- 
 e ^vitll the (rem-gagfed in tl;is iadiisti y iliis wtmld bi; about fair 
 ]-!iit this did III,; for all the iiiten-sts involvrd. The lion, nvm- 
 itiitc con^oariiuns lu'- ocr for Vietnrin [J Ion. .Mr. Ryan] had slateil 
 1-3. The other office I :.tl>*it ''''<• w.-.s ir provijion in the hill for the 
 ■whose bu3ine3.=! itdispoaal ofLJiw-dii.ii, Avliicli he mentioned should 
 ions of ;!!C h?ad i.,fnot li.' Ih.own into il.' w. cr, b-at lliat hon. 
 cision render'd 'l nc-"^''*"'"'" ^'"•''^ 'i'^' mi^^ltt^- '•'■- ^i-'i'^ 'f ''f wonld re- 
 •m to t'ijf. (ji. ,,,■.:., (jrferto '.iie 2nd i .ira.'.'r.vjh of the ISth clause be 
 i)e. The iu.'-itr;ic^jn.= wonli'. find it WIS there eniic'rd that the f>'v. 
 ; of the Dep:;r'.- >ut,tl08t was not to be H.'-own into the water. Tuis, 
 tiuctions hid -n^sh* hoicd, wonld rel.?ve the honorable member's 
 Fi.shtries P.anch [Mr, unxi 'y. 
 
 a!re;u'y rai\J, ulsa Hoi. Mr. RY.\N' — It w-; ■'. not eno-;p;!i to f;^" 
 IS office w-iilirarc abi- that il c!:r>i''d not be d^n", but there should be a 
 
 Captain Fortin had penalty annexed to the oHencc. 
 cordial assistanco of ion, Mr. CAMPBELL— And so there was 
 Ir line of service. In- fo, gn jnfractionB of the bill. 
 
 it for the first time, if 
 
 II »n. .Mr. IIVAN— Wlmt ponftUies. 
 
 Hon. Mr C.AMViJKLL- Kine.< of mt leriMhnn 
 ifH, nor ni'ii" ih.ui r.-", and impriidnment when 
 th' liiie \v,i.- not f )i-the'-"niin» ui fri.ni » i;;lit days 
 tootle itiMi il H"'c iiii JO iniikcB otfenc.'J daily 
 ;ind .K'p.t! »'■■. 
 
 II in. Mr irVAN'— Tint wa.i noliufflcient. 
 
 lion. :.!,• C.\MI'!;KLL— U'ell, the h .n mem. 
 ber l>i.l;!iid hji ■'iiid it Was I lo pov.Te, (lau^;li« 
 ti'i-;, ^■l beiweeii ">ntlm(iiijf .ipinions he liioukfhi 
 liie 111" lii.iii h 111 b-( n at ,m;| a-ceitained, ami at 
 any rate .sm-Ii details nii;^ht be chi'njjji-d in (.'om- 
 tniltee. 'In- hill had bren prepared with Ki'eal 
 •MieailU iil.i-r pa i i.i coii-iiiltaliipn wiiii piaeiical 
 111 -n, iind i.'.' ;iii',i);lil it (h -ei ved the ns-cnl of the 
 House. II.- hail lit lirst iiropo-ed to reter 
 it (o a lar;jce .Special Coiiunittee, ami had selec- 
 ted nlemb.■;•^ from biuli sections of the Province 
 wh(^ he 111 fiicrht would bi; able to >rive llio 
 suiije"; due coii.r leraii'ii, but upon relleition, 
 an.! iiL the sv^i/i.^tiivi of the lion. ."Speaker he 
 h id det^.lv I lu brioi^ it into Committee of the 
 Whole on .Monday, when he would move the 
 ;. I iption v.f his own amendments. The Com- 
 luiltee would thin riie and report proj/ress, and 
 the bill would In- luiiili-d !is then amendi'd, and 
 sj placed br-fore the c.ainlry. 'I'ln' (iovern» 
 , ni"nl firopi^sed lo in.ik.; arrangements by wliich 
 ' tl.!' iialiniahed liisiii'ss would be taken nji next 
 i J-. -.on, at the stage at which it was left this 
 H' -isioii, and if this was agreed to, then the bill 
 I c^/uld bi! put in (.'oiiimiltee a^ain at the eom- 
 I meuc'.neiil of tlic next sessi;)ii, and if nece.-sary 
 lifter that sent to a Sjicrial Coinmitteo This, 
 , he thoiigiit, would be the most clfeclual way of 
 i dealing with it. [Ilaar, hear.] 
 
 Hon. Mr. r.().S.-»F, said he was git 1 the Gor- 
 crnment hud undertaken lo deal wiin thi3m..i- 
 , sure, but he was afraid that some of the pn.vis- 
 ions for executing; ih.it law by piinisliing 
 otVnders would be attended with unneccs.iury 
 ' hardship. For instance at Cap dca Mont? and 
 1 Wane Sablou where sonio of the best fisheries in 
 , the I'rovince or the world Misted, there were 
 I no Justices of the Peace, and no persona to con- 
 llfic the oll'enders, and if they had to he brought 
 tip to (.,>"ehcc, and .so removed for nn indelinito 
 term fr.>u their families, the consequence,'' 
 mipcht be very disastrous. He thought thnf 
 ('.jmmiiu'.er F'-.rtin should have the authority 
 to try such offeuders, an 1 that the Govern- 
 ment schooner niiijht for the purposes of the 
 act be used jis a gaol for the detention of 
 the od'eaders. It. was clearly nece.«sary to 
 j)roceed ■with ca:Uion in this matter, le:.t, too 
 great a puiiishmeut should be inflicted. He 
 ir>w bogged to call attention to the 
 .M.i;;d.i1rn I.slands, whose fisheries -were ex- 
 traordinarily prodnelive. Ua himself had seen 
 
 from ^;m,OO.i toS-,000 worth offish taken p.t 
 one tide, oil of v/hich ■ivero carried ofT by 
 foreign-rs ■who came and went at will with- 
 out let or hindrance. He would suggest tc 
 the hoD. Comraisr.ioner that the municipaliti"* 
 
21 
 
 <if itipsif Inland J slioiiM \m vnitinwercd iitidcr 
 t!iv liill to iiiikkc fii(h r>7Viliitiiiiii itd tli'.'- 
 iiiiplit (li-riii jn.''T''.Mry for il •.: prolccli'ii of 
 tl.fir ti-liiiifs. 
 
 If'iu Mr OAMIMJKI.F, conrurrnl in tlic n •:•• 
 
 g(*S>iilll (it ill)' llli.l. IIICIhIhT, IMI'I Uil<4 uliil^r.t lo 
 
 him lor iii<kiii^ il. Wlii'ti ili(> Hill caiiic \\\>,ni lin 
 ln' tlu)i'i;lil !t vV"ii!iI lie well lo ctjliiuly siicli a 
 provLsiit!! in It. n'<;>ect|i.g tin: .M(i>r'l:iU'ii Islnuil.', 
 a-i th • liriM. Ill •iiilicr l-i jmiuinl uiil. As ti» 
 niiikiiijr l!'' siiiodivr (\'-ti'iiii nnr a j.ii', ho I'l-ar- 
 I'd tltdl wo.il.l ii'il III rf III" (lillifiilty. us flu: 
 co'iM iu)t iilways wait in iln- plan.' wlicr.- the 
 filfi-' 'I'T liiiil licin tioiivifinl until tlio U':m of 
 iin[irl->uiiin"iit IkuI fX|iirt'(l, ami so llic nntniti;' 
 iiiiK! I'lan lakt'h tVom Mni^ic, or fI?i»'\vlioic, 
 nii^flil li>' lamli'd at Hi'-tijj-.iiiclif, or Home iitli'T 
 (•(iniilly distant place, ■\vhicli wiail'l Ik; ju-t as 
 had a.-: to liiin;j! Iihn i;;i I > Quel ''i', cv .simiI him 
 to anolli.T jiri-iuii. There wcii-, no doiili', dilli- 
 cullies in llic way, hat tln' ofrrn>c.s had usually 
 heen vi.situd with lii,<'s, and it' ih<-y wi" iv-t 
 paid, l»y C'liirHrati 111 cl the iiotn. A^ M the 
 want of inat^islr ales, it w<iw!d nnt Ve ^^^ preal 
 B3 the hoii. incmher seemed to f. ar. since nil 
 ord'iiary mapisiratej were t ■ h^ latliorized to 
 net, then tliM-versce-? wo ild li'rKithel with the 
 panic power, and u'tii llie « ioendiary inaifi-i- 
 trates it wa-t hoped tin' luw nii^'hl be rea.>ionubly 
 well executed, 
 
 Tlie Hill Wi-.s tlicn rend n second lime end 
 or'Jered l. he It aiglil up in Commitlce of t!ie 
 Whole on Motnl.n-. 
 
 M'.MiAY, l.lth March, 18C6. 
 
 THE FISIIEIUKS' DILI.. 
 
 l'u"?nant to order, the Iloi:se then resolved 
 
 the Hill for ihe pro- 
 
 itMclf into OommiUce, on 
 ledion of the Fisheries. — Hon 
 JitU ij the Chair. 
 
 Mt Dk HEAU- 
 
 Ilon Mr CAMIMIK.'.L xM hp need not r^ 
 jiont at liny nrwi l.Mi^»tli the closinR renmrkg I.» 
 liad made on Fr'diy, in relation to thecour/." h« 
 dcnind to t, ike wiili ffoirnce to the menjurr 
 hut W'uld meivlv ly h' tiropused to Imvc tl* 
 aiii'Mi i.n-'i'.^ he liad Iium I'llly cxplaiaod to '\.i 
 Jh.'i-f j.a.<<i (! atid tl.e in>' i aiv p.intcd iisuin' ni- 
 fd (or ili.-itiihalii.ii. Tli'-n at ilio in'Xl Sei»i( r 
 nf er il l.al received the eltoniioii oMioti. men. 
 her^ ni:d if lie t > .ntr , if il wcr-j found ''^ 
 Birahle ui iritrod::^ . .i,v farther ihiii.iX.iH !» 
 would he I I' 'iiir-d ti ..'"iisider them, and, if tin 
 lloii^e a;{rii.d that tlav were deiiruble, to uc- 
 c.'pt them. 
 
 If .11 .'Ir KVA>(' Knid !ic fullr ronrarrrd ir 
 llic popri- tv (if tioconrise proposed to he pnr- 
 Fiicd !'V •' :' Hon. Convi•;.^^ione^ of Crown 
 Lands, ;:i 'alion to the meainrc, it hoinp nn- 
 der-flood thm when the hid rame up m xt Ses. 
 ^i.ln any lirlivr (.rnenilini-nt linn, memher' 
 ni'jjht he pr pared to ofl'.T would receive due 
 r Msidcralion, aial bo accejited if found Ljne- 
 tic.u!. 
 
 ITon. Mr. CAMPI'.rLL nwntcd. 
 
 The hill was then r^-n'! chuigohy clause with 
 t'le !iiiu'udmentl?!, all of Tvhie!i were adiptei 
 The ('(iintnit'ec then r"se nud the Chairrnm re- 
 p.irt>'il tliat they li.nd (:'<■" Ihroujj'i the hili ani 
 afiiTcd to Ihe ;"n:'iuinii'nl3 proposed, a^kin; 
 iL-nve however, tu sit again, which was granted 
 
 II ai. Mr (\\MrHKrJ/ then said that as th" 
 hill was very imporianl and as it was rr:.r': 
 cpieaily desirahle to Imvc it extensively ir- 
 eulat.d dirin^r the interval, ho would satr;res! 
 that a larper niimher than usual, pay .500 copies 
 HI each lanf;nnjrc, .shraild be printcl for the use 
 of members. The Ihmse seeming to assent, the 
 Hon. (/ommissioner made a inotiou to that ef- 
 fect which was carried/ 
 
 IIE.MOKA.\n 
 CA.MI' 
 CROW 
 
 Oh 
 
 A radical < 
 that power to 
 Iftte and |>roti' 
 Ofown. The 
 IilW ri;iiit of p 
 •M mad?, am: 
 o^ the (Joverr 
 CMsaiitly C')i 
 principle it is 
 mtails. AIsc 
 WJCessarily im 
 IilBom: respei 
 lUd it not be 
 dflpiii'tnvn'al 
 <tohe. riian 
 ilinumeroaj 
 □Mnt 'it,«!iTva 
 oD'lindcr it, t 
 of>«iiiU flirt h 
 ■hfculd a;r.ird. 
 
 ,T!ic new bi 
 pwciical e.vpi 
 under the c\i 
 
 Its clnu^e'i 
 vltions lew a- 
 nad its pruhil 
 and fiir spirit 
 eflTcctually to 
 ccpnomicHlIy 
 •ervicc. 
 
 Instead of 
 Imkc .-^alaric.^ 
 local fiihe ry ( 
 rj' places by i 
 These ()verse( 
 Pwca (! .ring 
 pWr and more 
 of the Peace 
 wHl get .small 
 rwideats wil 
 p^hses. Beir 
 Ming is carr 
 Vf bt abnasv* ol 
 
« snld hr ne«d not n- 
 
 the cloMini; rcmnrka !ii 
 rf'lAtion to llipcour/ioh" 
 icnco to the infn»iiri'. 
 M'OpllHOil til liiivc il> 
 I I illy (•x|ilniii<»«l to '\,k 
 
 • •Mil" |MIilC<J IIStUD' n'i. 
 
 M lit ilio iii'Xi Sesiiji.ri 
 i'tt'-nii>iii of lion, ini'ir. 
 , if it vvn found 'V 
 V l'iirtlii>r tliaii)70H !.t 
 iisiiler tliom, nnd, if the 
 wore deiirublc, to uc- 
 
 1i(* fullr ronniiTcd in 
 *f ;>ropo9fil to he jiup 
 nvi;s>ionor of Crown 
 
 ini'imirr, it hciiip iin- 
 liiil rnriH' lip 111 xt Sts. 
 uliiKMil lii>n. nn'mbcr 
 r.T would receive due 
 CTjilcd if found Line- 
 
 I n«spnted. 
 
 1 rlmircliy clause with 
 •■ wliifli vcrc adiiitui 
 (> 1111(1 tlic Clinir:n 111 re- 
 r.!' tliruiig'i the bili atil 
 n'lits in-Dposeil, n^km: 
 uii, wliich wiisKnuitcd 
 
 I then said thnt as t'l' 
 : juiil 113 it WI13 rr:.r') 
 live it extensively ir- 
 
 Val, llO would Klljrrrosi 
 
 in usual, say TiOO cojiios 
 [1 be printf'l for the use 
 3 seeming to assent, the 
 Ic a inotiou to that d* 
 
 I 
 
 .VPPENDIX. 
 
 MEMOUANPrM FOR TlIK 1H).V<)UAL'LR A. 
 CAMIMJKLI., (•.■).\IMI.SSlUM..l OF 
 CROWN LAXDd, ic , kc. 
 
 OH NRW riiIlr.M.:.H BIM.. 
 
 A radical detect cxldt.< in the old net : it is, 
 
 timt power to dispose 'if lislierie.*, and to rcgu- 
 late M\i\ proit'ct tl.t'iii is not cUr ily ci-'tn to tliu 
 Ofowii. Tlii'iv i; no il":./;^iiiii'n if li*' ointnou 
 |H|W ri;jiit of public pi.>cii;y. (/'.Ml;iiii provi.-idij 
 •M ma'l?, and ob'i^iliinis ai\: liiip()^.iMl imtli tip- 
 o^ the (luvernnii ,it and t'.o public, winch i»- 
 Ctliiiiitly c iiiHict. licin,!,' liiu-t defective in 
 principle it i.s inu; CMliv.' In llic In.).^l important 
 ditnils. Also, niMily.iU oiieialioii.-. I'lidi-r it arc 
 nocessarily iiicungruoti? und c'iTnl".MaMim', and 
 lilBonij re>pec!.^ iib.-<iird niul yen o[iprc<>ivc. 
 Hid it not been for rxccutivc rcg'il i; ns and 
 d«<piirtiiV'ii!al xiM'tioii-i, uolliiiipcii.ld i ivo been 
 dtthc. riiank.-i to tlieso, inul luiiliw itli.-!aiiaing 
 in numcrouj dcf'CtJ, ilicie is snfflciint improvc- 
 DMiit Mbservable in the Viiiioin lirJliiiifjs cairivd 
 oil'iinder it, to justify the liveliest cXjicctati'itH 
 of^wliiit further [irotcction under anellicienl law 
 shCiuld a!i;)rd. 
 
 ,T!ic new bill U based on the enlargi-d r.r.d 
 pmciical experience ot .some six years operaliond 
 under tlio cxiatini; iLhery lawi. 
 
 Its clnu-sei arc properly ciassiiied.and it' pro. 
 vltiiuis lew aid "oncisi". It irf siinnk- in form, 
 And its probibitiiiis are roiici'ivivi in a liberal 
 and fiir spirit. I;, contain.^ all tliiil is needed 
 effectually to protect the fisheries and carry out 
 ccpnomicKlly and eiliciently thn wliole fisljerics 
 •ervice. 
 
 Instead of two peneral Superintendent-!, at 
 Urge Halarie?, this bill p.rox idet^ fur numerous 
 local fishery Over,;..'cr3 to he namr>d at neeessa- 
 ^'placcs by ihc Comiuissionpr of 'Jrowii Lands. 
 TBtese CKerseers will be eu-oijicio Jik^uces ot the 
 P*iC2 (I .ring such incmnlici^cy . This is ?im- 
 pl^r and more I'ffectiial than iiominatin;: .Justices 
 of the Peace by commission. The Overseers 
 wHl get small ullowances for salary, and being 
 Wlideuts Will incur very few travelling ex- 
 p«h8es. Being also always on the spot where 
 fiihing is carried oa th«y can detect and pre- 
 fffct alrasn of ficbing, or (luaieh breaches of the 
 
 . . " ji .1 1 . ■ ■ ' I ■ " f f ^ i ^ 
 
 law. Wiih the dutiea ofOei yerj there will 
 1)0 also un,: d those of (n-^pectori of Fiili and 
 0.1 under li.c In:<,icction l):ll. 
 
 KCil'LAriNf) KLStlKnlKS. 
 
 P wer is driven totl'o Conimissicnrrof Crown 
 La id < instead of to the (''xViMiior Oi-neral in 
 '.'ouiicil to uMiit fi-;lie;y I.i-fu s and Licviise.i. 
 T'ii.% inetlio<l is niniplc.it and nvnidj the tedi 'nn 
 iii.d e.xi.en-ivo uio«i;ai,'fL;iter3 Patent under tlio 
 Great t^" .1. 
 
 .Ml liif.i of rai.>in~ revi-nieij abandiiM'd. Tliw 
 imposit, a of ; Jtiy i .it^ uill bo '-imply on tho 
 Ua-;.- ■ i' piiyi!i;jexpoii-< s of in iderat • proioition. 
 Wiiere lea.-c .^ I'nr a Ion;; period ure il -ired, or 
 w lenj ae.isoii Liceu.te.s ov b ml [,: •( n.^es arc pre- 
 ferred, iliey can be i.•'.^lle I in either form; but 
 chiefly for important '. .tio:-",. .Merely pu'.-<i'rving 
 the su[iply ai:d br'c'i of (I ',».*, and risiiir!in;j 
 ubujcs in the more va. i ble n:id exteiisiv'i' lish- 
 erics, are ell now .son.'iit to hi attained. 
 Ti ese rc-iilt-; will be found intlie most '•■c iio- 
 tniciil iind ed'cctivfi maiiuei- pos.-iihlc;, pi ic'-.j; as 
 \':w restiiclions \* may b • on the pwisiiit:; of lisli- 
 eniien. .Vo bunhn-ici.ic f'i'C;i or rcf^idations will 
 be impo.'ied iipiui llieni. The new law is meant 
 to b: fair, libLTal, iMpuI.ir and seU-.suslaining. 
 
 I'untiuiTio.ss a:>"j tlose se.vson.s. 
 
 T!ie closc-tinu's are altered fn ni ih'.ge fixed 
 by tl ■' old ac.', and inoie moderate i lies nro 
 adoptt'cl. Opinio:;! so mi^eli dilfer as to the 
 exact dati'H for closing npfishiiigj becau.se of the 
 breeding -ica-Hon.*!, and each a variety or interests 
 and wants iniisl be consulud, and ditlcr-'iices of 
 8ii'.i:>iiM>i and locality recognized — that it seems 
 fairest to impose modera i- (as ditfericg from ez' 
 
 tnm'') close limes 
 
 .rtening these periods 
 
 the expense of guardianship is greatly reduced ; 
 and a fair and reasonable close time can be 
 more rigidly observed. Also, tlie.;e prohibitory 
 .■^'.•asovis arc so framed ns to afford a continuous 
 su[>ply of some ki als of ti>h, to admit of poor 
 poople and backwoods settlers obt.uning cheap 
 and wholesome food. .Vaturo distributes tha 
 v.trious breeding time.^ of lishes throiigiiout all 
 the seasons of the year. The law should admit 
 of e.achkind oflisli being taken after the essen- 
 tial jieriod rf reproduction is past. Thus a temp- 
 tation is withdrawn from the needy, and tha 
 interests and wants of ail become reconciled. 
 As the white fish fishery of Upper Canada has 
 been very seriously injured by summer fishinj: 
 with rcines, rMtrictions are pat on this mode' of 
 
24 
 
 Killing;. Al.io tlit* iiijiiries duno bj .i'Ikm' iitts 
 Mivl ill tlio wliite liili Hnil saliuoM tr > i tlshtrio.^ 
 nre piuvirted iigiiurfi.. 'I'lici'c iire string ^i clauses 
 lo jiiotc'Cl from Wiisti! iinrl diStriRU.i, !ic yuuiig 
 auii fV) of the moK vuliiabli! kiiii's el i.-'ali wiitei' 
 li.slii.':!. without imiii.'diiig ihe IvgiiimiiC pursuit 
 o)ti-.hiaii liy tlioac luug esiiibli'h.'el i.i ihc buji- 
 
 UfSrf. 
 
 Ku'.leavoiin hnvti bpcn rec.Mtl/ !ti:u1o to 
 nb.ili.sh st iiiouary I'jiunio.j. li..\V(.'\\'r '-..■.■•irabii' 
 it might be as ;t sfvi-tc UK'asu;o of pn.^x'rv.i'.i.j-. 
 for lailiiig iishurr'.r, to ei.iufitl lliu uwntid cf 
 stake wi:irs an I fiXL'J ue ;; to re-jrl tn ih.; less 
 productive (uud iu most (jUicvj i.lu.s(,i'_, ) p.,ici;.C! 
 of i<cining, thuie is iiothiiia: so ilest l'i iie iu il o 
 ]>reiuuieil oxha'iS'ion nl our loii,-;---.hi ic iis'icritV 
 ns to e.iil for cuch L'i'islati.i!i, nui (vriainl/ 
 there 13 luin'h iu tlie vested ii;.:;:;ti ai.'! local cir- 
 c.utUjtauces (if ti)'j li-^IaTin .mi to ■IcuiiiU'l i he most 
 
 i:>;lfii:a.i.i;i of sucli a 
 is'i will 
 
 iuipcrative pub.ic r.eed iu 
 8fe;i. Thfi iillegf'i (l^■^-l•o}ai of youi 
 be by the prcieut b'.ll iiUog.Mlier ob 
 tlu\-i' biii..li and stake lis'.ei-.Ca rcui 
 nocaoas as ij praciicablo. 
 
 tcil, ;uid 
 
 ;\:d us ia- 
 
 Penaltles are made moro leuicu;, ai'l consist- 
 eut, and theninde (jf r;'c>jverirm h m - siui[»li- 
 lii'd aud uiaiio n\ -v c- li-'ic-;, . ji) ■ 'a iu)!o iiia- 
 cuiU'Ty of liu' li.iiury leiW.i i.:> lu tucv-o , .-rliculars 
 much improved. 
 
 MItL-I)AM9 AND FISUWAY3. 
 
 Regarding ilie improveuient of streams bar- 
 red by mil!-, lam-, tiie new l.r.v is mure discrimi- 
 nate and reasoi.able, and nvjrc acceptable to 
 millers than the ollh"r. Fcr instance, the ollur 
 required tisiiways on ff;7dai:i. . without resjicct 
 to tliei. utility oriicl, and whether the li.sh iu 
 the streams wcio valuable or worliilcss. A I .>, 
 wiihout distinguishing between streams not ai 
 all adap cd to breeding f; Ii, or altogeilr .• de- 
 serted by them, and without regard to the fact 
 of whether or not the Uiiil-dams really eut off 
 th3 sup|)lies of fi3i wlu''' ba'kw "0 is settlers, 
 people of the ir.terii>r, ..r re.udruis al; ug the 
 streams were aceu3t()med t') tak;? for ekiu;;- out 
 a living, or for cuual Tiod. T;;eu the old law 
 throws upon the mill propaxtor.; tKe solo ex- 
 pense cf making lishwiys necirdiug to ;'..i ar- 
 bitrary model or p^iileru, rt' f.ueh duu2Ds;"r.i 
 and kiud ad to draw oft moi-'> waler i'.ian liic 
 mill could spare, and luoro t.iau is needed fu' 
 fish, and obliges them to koi.ji me iisuway? al- 
 ways oi;e'.i with a com" lual uveillow of water, 
 quite regardless of the actual running of ls!i, 
 the droughty state of the season and weathei , 
 or the inexorable demands of milling business. 
 The new bill alter.s all tijis, and re(pure3 fish- 
 ways to be kept open only at appropriax'dale.^, 
 which the local Overseers can (ix iu accord with 
 the wants of the mill and the just nghts of all 
 parties, and the reasonalilc ex|iectati(m3 of the. 
 public. The mode of I'roceding to enforce the 
 construction of fiihways is, in the old law, ?o un- 
 certain that compliance can often he. entirely 
 evRd'.d, always eiisily deferred, and eompjimes 
 
 Hit ihi'y alar 
 
 t'nc oliji'cl (jf the law becomes altogether defeat large shoals < 
 ed. The new law proceeds upon the prineij'l for the purpo 
 
 that an iuterfst of sucli great consequence 
 the country i-.s are the lumber and milling in 
 ter( •>?, sliiU'.ld iit; fully reco;.:ni-ied, and as liitl 
 as pos.iii)l(! alleeled I y i;ie liaiis e'oplo;, li ' 
 accoi lodate the juiblU' i.itecest i.. the lislie;ie 
 And that a i the ] ub.ic licieltt by the. c iMc.-ii'i.. 
 lion of i;.sh"V!V -, lu.' pi.bhc bin ■ M slia •• il;'.; 
 v:o~i 'f I.e bi!! provide.-; f;r all uis, ai;tl obli;'' 
 miil-ov.-ners to bail I tis.i-;iu3s>*3 ouly on su 
 dam.^ as the {"oT.nriissiouer of (Jr>;wn La'ii!: 
 s'..iU deem :.■ '• ■ ',.■.;_'. t^ech disc;':'iou adnu: 
 of the C.:--iiui.5ii..ne" rvfanging t?- t, if it can I- 
 lioi:. '.'•'' a.s to gi>e duo e".!'. t to th;; law, tl; 
 slides \^!licll vhy -" ^'''^- '■■•i'- 4'' ''-i'' '1^) »' 
 mi'i )v,-:iersare oblig d ly c iistruet and umI 
 oiiti may i/C ma! : - I'vicable also as fislnvay- 
 I'l any case the p'eb.ic sliail ;liaru iliC expeti.e.' 
 '.f uialving llsh-pas.^.v.T on mill-dain.i. 
 
 Thj whole ot iliij j.lan a.3 re.>pec'.3 fisbway- 
 '.vld sectu'c the avoidance cf u.-e!css and vexatioj; 
 costs 'u prosec.tiintr, wl.iirat t!;e same time en. 
 Eurincr t!ie speedy and clllctual a<laptatioa o! 
 mill-dams to the passage c)f fi-'h — so much re 
 quired by the puljiic. Hitherto q tile as niucii 
 lui uey lias been sti"ut about these (isiiways a^ 
 ^^•oald have built thetu, and lew are or ever have 
 liecai serviceable. It is cheaper and quicker to 
 do them at once by coniiK-tent parties, and not 
 squander public nuiuov and private means in an- 
 noying lii'_'ation, an I in frequent and resultlesj 
 visits til notify, to sue, to insi)eel, to repair, kc, 
 ::(.'. We can under this new act get tlia work 
 don- quickly and well, and shall !citow it to bo 
 clT.'ctt:al, and not a mockery such as for these few 
 years p.ist ItaHbe^^i the case. 
 
 Various Rrgdations that luivo from time to 
 time pas.3ed by the Government are embodied in 
 or eoud<n-('d ir.to the bill. 
 
 Hoiin ies ar uot interfered with, but provision 
 is m idi! f.a-pre'.-cutiug frauduleu; claims, and to 
 attain the etid leragtied by granting them. 
 Uespectfallv suhmiiiefl. 
 
 W. r. -V!nTi;i[ER, • 
 
 Crown L.ttids L)Dy)artmenf, 
 Fisheries Branch, 
 
 Quebec, ISG.t. 
 
 KXiFJACT.S iMn.\r TFIK 
 
 Evi')i::.(!i; from a 
 
 Rr?ORT Axn 
 fU.);,iMITTCfi OF 
 
 'i\:': liiKV. LK(.;is[ A.TxVE ; >:i::.\iBLY, 
 
 oy I'i-vJIvvii: . iJhirjI.Rr.D TO IN 
 TiiE FORFGCIN'r DEBATE. 
 
 T;i:t REi'onT:— " Af'er .-, niatn-' ex imit^.tion 
 of the evidence nnnrxcil to tl..; ;:poi'', year 
 Committee have Ciine lo the co;. elusion 
 that liie lixod a-pparatus, of which some tl,e,>ri.>t3 
 complain, should not be prohibited, but that no 
 law to regulate their use which can be enforced 
 can be too stringent. " 
 
 Rr.v. Dii. Adamson t — " My opinion is in favor 
 of the total abolition, in the River St. Lawrence, 
 of stake and bag-nets. I believe that tliese 
 engines not only destroy old and roung fish. 
 
 I am fortihei 
 Committees ( 
 Commissione 
 leave to add, 
 forbid the us 
 the St. Lawr 
 pj-osent law. 
 
 .Mk. Will 
 merits iu tin 
 mend ■.' 
 
 .l/^^•. As a 
 selves adopt 
 catching tis 
 be placed u) 
 as to jirevei 
 and injury 
 IPliese restrif. 
 l^gartl towa 
 ATid profit b 
 tlio salmon i 
 llonal cliara 
 fixhansted ct 
 est po.ssible 
 ,»istent with 
 fttitli towari 
 censes. Th 
 at least thrt 
 irith which 
 nadian watt 
 nets ; these 
 on chandr/i 
 toast, outsi' 
 nets are cor 
 
 (^ur;!. Da 
 
 1K>ts to kill 
 
 All.", Sta 
 
 they arc at 
 
 live to sain 
 
 fishery in tl 
 
 that they 1 
 
 tnouihs of 
 
 tween the :■ 
 
 )■>, that the 
 
 fhnndetier- 
 
 the beach, 
 
 ft leader ar 
 
 the deep w 
 
 the salmon 
 
 do not reli 
 
 net, snspei 
 
 partly at r 
 
 dmvn the 
 
 rd. To 
 
 ,iiig !'or sal 
 
 itl\e u.s<! of 
 
 'imoxeitble 
 
 keep tinde 
 
 eroaehmei 
 
 .claitdiug ( 
 
 ty and CK 
 
 Hiii'd aad 
 
•Jo 
 
 Junios ultojTftlier ik't'cm 
 .■(•iJ.s (ipon till! pn'm-ipl 
 
 gl(!iU UOIlSfilllflK-l! t 
 
 iiiiihnr and milling j,, 
 '••i.i'ii-'L'ii, ami as I'll' 
 l-ii.' ...,nij faplo;, .• - 
 ■ -■'.'.•!I 1.. tho llAur.: 
 ' olit bv tho (• )!iL.i; i . 
 '!:(.• bill ■ '<\ sha " il,- 
 i"'f;.j] ':ij, ai;d obli,- 
 'I'uii.^i only on su 
 .iiici- of (;r,:\vn r,a',.,'; 
 ^i.cli dioc -j'-uii a.ln:i: 
 imginori'- r, :fit canlv 
 t, rt) tlij ],!\V| ti) 
 ii:. '.•;:;>. 4/' :\'.u] 48) ai 
 <) c- liilriicl and u:)] 
 c-a.iilc alr'tj ad fcliwav,. 
 lil iiait.' ilic ex^jcnse 
 iniii-danij. 
 
 n Hi i-e.si)C"c!3 fisbwaj: 
 
 ( fuHdcssaiid voxatic;; 
 
 i'';ill!;e t-aiuo time cii. 
 
 ell' ctiiai acJ.ipfKiioii of 
 
 of (i-di — so much re- 
 
 li.'licr:o q :ito ns miu;!i 
 
 ib.iol these (ishwaysa- 
 
 ud (('Ware or ever havo 
 
 clieai)er and quicker to 
 
 IK-tcnt parties, and no! 
 
 nil private mnansin an- 
 
 Ifrequcnt and re.ndtlesi 
 
 inspect, to repair, &c., 
 
 new act gnt tiia work 
 
 nd sliall .'cnoiv it to be 
 
 ery such as fur these few 
 
 ISC. 
 
 li:it iiuv3 from limo to 
 •nmcut are embodied in 
 
 ■red with, bnt provi,sion 
 ludulonr claims, and to 
 r j,'rantiiig them, 
 '■d, 
 
 ClIRK, . 
 1 L :ads U?[)fir!menf, 
 Fi*lioned Branch, 
 
 f!R T?r?ORT AXD 
 
 A r'(.):,,.';[TTr:R r.p 
 
 ■U'iVE .' lSi::.\lf5r.Y, 
 iJl-JFJlaif.D TO IN 
 DEBATE. 
 
 .'. main-' cx.imir.ation 
 to th,.; icpoif, your 
 !o the Co;. elusion 
 f wliiehsome thcriota 
 roli.bitod, but tiiat no 
 viiiclj can be enforced 
 
 My opinion is in faror 
 ic River St. Lawrence, 
 r believe that these 
 old aad young fish. 
 
 but ilicy alai'in and IVighlon from our ylMire-! 
 Iiiiire shoals of salmon who iir(^ .seeking them 
 for the purpose of i)ropa^atiou. In this opinion 
 I am fortilied liy the e% ideiice taken bcfon^ 
 Committees of the House of Coinmons and the 
 Commissioners of the British Fisheries. 1 be^ 
 leave to add, that for the present I would wii 
 forbid the >ise of stake-nets in the tributaries to 
 the St. hawrenee, when sot according to the 
 present law. 
 
 .Mu. Whitciikr: — "Qiicx. What iniprove- 
 inents in the manner of fishing do you recom- 
 mend '.' 
 
 AiiK. As a general rule the fishermen lliem- 
 nelves adopt the roogt improved methods of 
 (Sitching fish. Tiie only restriction which should 
 be placed uiion their ingenuity, should be such 
 as to lu'event the wanton destruction of fi-li 
 ,«hd injury to the increase of their species, 
 these restrictions should be governed by a due 
 regard tovvarils allowing the lishermcn to live 
 ami profit by their calling. With respect to 
 the salmijn fishery, it is of a, somewhat excep- 
 Ijonal character; owing to its past and present 
 exhausted condition, it is desirable that the full- 
 est possible restriction should bo applied con- 
 tistent with tlic wants of the trade and gcxid 
 faith towards existing holders of leases and li- 
 censes. The meshes of salmon nets should be 
 at least three inches square. The kind of nets 
 iFith which salmon are at present taken in Ca- 
 nadian waters, are gill or float and standing 
 nets; these standing nets are set as stake nets 
 on clianilrlirn:, only upon the St. Lawrence 
 coast, outside the mouths of rivers. All salmon 
 nets are confined to tidal waters. 
 
 (^iii':'. Do you recommend the use of stake 
 ^ts to kill salmon? 
 
 Ans. Stake nets, confined to the places where 
 they are at present used, are not more dest rue- 
 live to salmon than would be any other net- 
 .fishery in the samo places. [ would recommend 
 that they be not used inside of or near the 
 tnnuths of salmon rivers. The differenco be- 
 tween tlie standing net and \\k stake net proper 
 is, iliat the first consists of a rf \; of stakes or 
 fhandidier-, extended ns far a=i jiossilile down 
 the beach, to whicli is fastened a net to serve as 
 a leader and barrier, forming at the end towards 
 the deep water an enclosure or pound, into which 
 thesnlmon dart through i narrow aperture, ard 
 (1(1 not return. The second consists of a gill- 
 net, suspended on smaller pickets, far ap^rt, and 
 partly at right angles to and pn tly hanging 
 ^•di>wn the stream ; in this the salmon are mcsh- 
 jod. To abolish the u:,e c '" these means of tish- 
 .iii;; !ur salmon woidd render necessary '^sort to 
 F the use of Seines or some other dovicc. Any 
 'imoveablo apparatus would be morn difiicult to 
 keep under eonirol, and prevent, nouses and en- 
 ernaehments upon tiie chnnnel, than with th'", 
 .elaiidingor stationary nci.;, the po ition, lf.>eali- 
 ty and extension of v.hich eaii i)e always dc- 
 tiiici! ;i;id kept within safe bounds. Seine nets 
 
 for salmon 1 do not think adapted to our v.uters, 
 liecau.se the lishing being eonliuf^d t'> the tide- 
 way, ihe labor an<l iiiofl'ectiveness jf tlieir use 
 would be tantamount to prohibiiion against net- 
 ting salmon. It would 'le in the highest ikgrn> 
 injurious to admit of their use in the fresli water 
 portion of the river.'. 
 
 Qiirf. Will you state the chief cause of iujury 
 to the salmon fisheries, and how to remedy it ? 
 
 .•I//.<. Three clearly as<i>rtained causes accoun', 
 for the destruction of salmon in Canadian 
 rivers. These are— 
 
 1st. Excessive nptting(too many netsMn the 
 tide-way. This practice (>bstruct3 the jiassage 
 of fish into the rivers at the jiroper season ; and 
 the few not killed by it linger in nnfavorabli- 
 localities for breediuir nnd spawn so late that 
 the egg-* addle, or se'd<im ecme to maturity in 
 sutficient numbers to recuperate inevitable waste 
 It j.lso diminishes and ijegenerates the breed. 
 The larger females l)eiug, generally speaking, 
 first to ascend, in order to reach tiieir proper 
 spawning places whilst the state of the water 
 admits of sa fe ascent, and before the developing 
 ova become heavy and bulky, it is important 
 that they should not be debarred al)oul the 
 mouths of streams. Sometimes, when undue 
 netting prevails, only a few of the iieavier fe- 
 male salmon escape, and at an advanced period 
 of the sea.son grilse and smaller salmon only 
 I join them. Most like, too, at thifi time the great 
 I male fish cannot get past some of the shoal 
 j places, and steep rajiids. Thus, impregnation 
 '■■ by small and perhaps immature males takes 
 j place, and the parent stock, characteristic of 
 I particular rivers, firstdwindles, and thonontire- 
 ! ly disappears. 
 
 2nd. Rarring the entire, riiannels by means 
 of nets, and following the fish throughout their 
 course aiyive tide waters, and even seining tiiem 
 In the resting and breeding pools ; or entrap- 
 ping them by swing nets at the narrow passes 
 : and sidmon leaps wliich arc numerous in rivers 
 where falls and rapids abouuil. 
 
 'ird. Spearing the fish in the freslv water por- 
 tion of the rivers during summer time, and 
 slaughtering them with nets and spears whilst 
 at the spawning beds in aulu.nn and Icll. 
 
 I, of course, know that tiie chief reason l.)r 
 scarcity or extinction of salmon in -'treams 
 where mill-dams exist, is, that these barriers are^ 
 impassable to the fish, and k(>c[> then! n\ y 
 from proper breeding grounds. 
 
 If we subject No. I to judicious restrictions — 
 prevent altogether the practice of N'os. 2 and 3 — 
 and remedy tie last cause by sliiles and restock- 
 ing, — nothing, save natural causes, or some in- 
 sc'utable influences beyond human prevision and 
 control, can defeat the restoration of our salmon 
 fisheries, 
 
 '.)'/'-. Could 'iir jyi^tem (.1 li'asing or rentim.- 
 
 I 
 
2t5 
 
 lislii-iy ^liiliuiis if. r[i|M'r Cixnnd.a lie iiiniliU'Ml, 
 3 • lli.U lliuiv ?li(i.il(l ill- 1''.-;; ouitry a^iiiiist the 
 rail'.- (if k'usiiij^ '' 
 
 Alii. It I'.tiliiil. ill t.ii:!. e^'iisiili'ialilc liicilili- 
 calioiiri luuf hi'cii already fffi.'ctod. I Ihhik 
 tlial ill iiurjiiiiitr till' supposed desire of tlie Go- 
 vciiiiiieiit to attain revenue rentals, and auiiuut- 
 ed lliMS by woitliy zeal, tlie odicers liave over- 
 r.ited liie working value of many fisiiing sta- 
 lioiij. liy over-rating, I do not mean to say 
 they iiave pu' altogether au excessive valuatior. ; 
 l)Ul iliat tije value lias been given irrespective 
 of the draw-backs, fluctuations and costs of the 
 bu^^mess. Thus leaving no margin under ilu; 
 leasL'3 for prolitand hjss. It would be better to 
 have small rents pairl \\\i lively, or in advance, 
 ilian higher rates lardily and expensively col- 
 lected, and paid under a sense of burdensome 
 taxation by tisliennen At best promiscuous 
 lisLing is u desultory, uncertain occupation. It 
 is only when carried ou upon a large scale, and 
 odi of the category ot mere jieddling, that any 
 a [jpreciablo returns can be counted on. The 
 nuip \>lui sells small lots of fresh iish, spends 
 the scanty proceeds as fast as gathered. Few 
 sucli can manage to scrape together a stated 
 timount wherewithal to pay rent. The elTect of 
 liigij rents upon con.-umers is, so long as fish 
 'U-e scarce or the lessee canconiniind the mar- 
 ket they sell at high prices ; and if not, the les- 
 see may get undersold, and eventually cannot 
 I'l'y. 
 
 Expressing these views, I am in comidete sub- 
 ordination to the opinion recv)rdod by the Hon. 
 Mr. .Macdougall, in iiis Report as Commissioner 
 of Gr'jwn liands, tor 18t!".i. It is there said that 
 ■ tlie system of Jelling fisheries for rent may be 
 uiodilied with advantage to the public and 
 iln' tisliiiiif interests.' 
 
 the 
 
 ',)ii .'. Is the r, Itching and use of lierriugs 
 eaplin, Ac, &e. . for manure, injiirions to 
 tishi'ries, and are not these fishes hurtful rather 
 tliiiU otherwise to the l..nd ? 
 
 Alls. It strikes nie that the wholesale destruc- 
 tion of caplin abi.ul the mouths of rivers hurts 
 .he salmon fishery. There is danger likewise 
 t't destroying fry cf other valuable kinds offish 
 ai i!ie same time. If, however, small fish, not 
 the >oung of other sjieeies, be too little for eat- 
 1111/ or curing, and not needed for bait, besides 
 iieinjj (as is apt to lie the case) in excess, there 
 is no good reason why they should not be ap- 
 plied to some useful purpose. With respect to 
 the larger fish, such as herrings, it docs at first 
 blush, seem that the employment as manure, of 
 any substance available for human food, however 
 rich ir its elements as a fertilizing agent, is a 
 perversion and waste. Refuse, or stable and 
 farmyard dung and exuviu', appear alone re- 
 ci.ticilabli! with our economic notions. 
 
 The utility offish, us a fertilizer, can hardly 
 be ([uestioned. The prevalent opinion that it 
 deteriorates soils, and impairs the (piantity and 
 i;ualiiv ol' loot or y';i\ n cr" ■~, is an error. 
 
 too, t: 
 
 Djutitless in -uosl iustunees, it has been oui 
 to def'Cive eiiUure, or may be to native ami 
 d irati' poverty of soil, or insiifficit-ncy of i 
 terials, that the seeming iiutrnilfnlness anil 
 apparent impoverislimeiil of lands, are attri! 
 able. Tue loose texture of sandy lands n. 
 cause too rajiid and dteii an absorption ot 
 more soluble combinations of blootl, flesh a 
 bone that in denser soils serve to effect the 
 quisite degree ot vegetative stimulus wl. 
 plants should derive. .\11 tillage is moiu 
 less exhaustive ; and 'lis well known 
 artificial s'.imulants may e.xhaust even fine 
 especially if aggravated by neglect of i^ 
 lion. Hence appearances have justified 
 notion, that fish as manure is bad, and that 
 continued use dries up and exhausts the soil. 
 
 Most fishes, particularly bony, nuiscnlar, 
 latinous and oily kinds, arc converted i: 
 phosphates and auunouia, and are in concern- 
 ed form as powerful almost as any other ar 
 cial manures. The celebrated guano is but 
 excreraen* of sea birds, which subsist on fis: 
 in various parts of Britain and France, and 
 the United States, fish offals and whole fishes 
 used with advantage for plants and cere 
 Along the co.^st of the Ked Sea they arc ex; 
 sively used for vegetables, pulse and grains. 
 Upper Canada, garden shrubs and fruit ii 
 are constantly manured with fish and fish rel 
 It is thought liie phosphoric acid destroys 
 sects. Knowing such facts, it is not surpri- 
 that they are liberally used in so many part- 
 Lower Canada. But I think it a pity t 
 where vast quantities of cod heads and hi 
 carcasses of marine animals, and fish|offal.- 
 cast away, no efforts should be made to con 
 them into p^'tablc manure, and that mature 
 marketable fishes should be caught expr. 
 for such use. The examples set iu this res 
 by P'rance, Newfoundland and .Massachus 
 might be profitably imitated. Such place- 
 Moisic, the coast between there and St. Jo 
 Long Point, Ksquimaux Point, Little Nat 
 qulian, &c., &c., the Magdalen Islands, JI 
 venture, Gaspc, and up around the South 
 Ijawrence coast, could feed a large inanufa 
 ry, and thus retrieve from dead loss much st: 
 fertilizing matter noAV thrown way, or often 
 posed of as a nuisance to fishing settleiiu 
 and the cause of great trouble at stations ii. 
 of or near our salmon fisheries. 
 
 iMii. Foin-iN : — Ques. What is the best nw 
 of taking the salmon ? 
 
 Ans. After considering the plan foiloAvc 
 the lower Provinces, the United States, Eiig 
 and Franco, I cannot say that I have seen 
 better method of taking salmon than thatai; 
 ed in Canada. It consists of the use of ordi: 
 salmon nets, the meshes of which should b; 
 least five inches from one knot to another, i' 
 drawn out, and which are stretclied eitlicr 
 stakes or else by means of grapnels, or am' 
 when the water in which the fishery is ex 
 on is deep, These lishing iniplemoiits, v 
 
 kie placed iu 
 and ill a man 
 Wlio obtain a 
 iDgentillen K 
 itt liower Can 
 fishing static 
 fchery, wliic 
 lerve tliat sev 
 
 •^ suppressini 
 description w 
 object of tlies 
 t) have exaii 
 mon fishery i 
 less it is to pi 
 ,of industry, ii 
 in which that 
 Aud who wo' 
 rels of salmi 
 «very year, ei 
 exportation t 
 United States 
 Or should we 
 .jBeine ? The 
 would be ver; 
 cumstanccs i\ 
 pus to the riv 
 
 ; hets. 
 
 (ijue.-i. Wilt 
 «od-3eines ? 
 
 Ann. I thiu 
 'taking cod, v 
 suits injuriou 
 . «rraen very 
 ■iiot more tha 
 .iOn all our co 
 .can lisherme 
 find Prince 
 ' North Shore, 
 if' reach fisliei 
 of New foil III 
 jug season, 
 Jisliiiig. I 
 tical tislieriii 
 United Statt 
 was prejudii 
 kinds offish 
 imain apart i 
 kinds of fish 
 
 (,>ii,y. Wl 
 of ground 11 
 
 An.s. The 
 •very remote 
 enuau on tli 
 them in pre 
 largest spec 
 more than 
 are sunk, ai 
 grapiiles. 
 fish removei 
 line fishing 
 fishermen, i 
 fish of fi'om 
 ■even lica 
 ofgrouiid-l 
 ■ire caiic.i-hi 
 
27 
 
 ic\s, il li;is lii'cii (iwi 
 
 nay hi; In luilivu iiinl 
 
 ir insiiflicifiicy nC i 
 
 llllt'niilf'illllL'aS iUliI 
 
 il III' laiiiis, are attiili 
 •e of sandy lauds n, 
 I an al)Sur|it.ioii of 
 IS ut' blood, Hi'sh u 
 si'fVL' to cHect till' 
 itativo sliiutilus wL 
 All tillage is inoru 
 we'll Unown too, t! 
 exliaust oven lino >. 
 ted by noj^loct of v 
 nces have justified 
 uuT is bad, and that 
 and exhausts the soil. 
 rly bony, muscular, 
 "s, are converted i: 
 ia, and are in concent' 
 uost as any other ar 
 ebrated guano is but 
 which suljsist on fis: 
 ain and France, and 
 >fFals and whole fishes 
 for i)lant3 and cere 
 l^ed Sea they are ex 
 les, pulse and grains, 
 shrubs and fruit t: 
 1 with fish and fisli rel 
 horic acid destroys 
 facts, it is not surpri' 
 used in so many part- • 
 I think it a pity t 
 )f cod heads and Ik 
 imals, and lish|ofrali 
 hould be made to coi: 
 lure, and that maturu 
 lid be caught expn 
 amples set in this re?, 
 and and Massachus' 
 itated. Such place- 
 '^'n there ami St. Ji^ 
 X I'oint, Little Xai 
 lagdalen Islands, 11 
 p around the Soutli 
 feed a large manufa 
 om dead loss much st: 
 tlirown way, or often 
 ; to fishing settlenk 
 trouble at stations ii. 
 ishcries. 
 What is the best mt 
 
 ing the plan followc 
 le United States, Eiig 
 ay that I have seen 
 g salmon than thatin: 
 ists of the use of ordi 
 !S of which should b: 
 )ne knot to another, » 
 are stretched either 
 s of grapnels, or am' 
 ch the fishery is ex 
 Iiing impli'iueiits, n 
 
 j*re i)laced in our rivers in limited numbers only, 
 and ill a manner fixed by law, by fishermen 
 who ol)t:iiu a lease or fishing license l)efore be- 
 ing ciitiileu to set any salmon net in any place 
 in Lower Canada, allow the occupants of salmon 
 flfihing stations to carry on a remunerative 
 fishery, which, is not too destructive. I ob- 
 gerve that several persons are desirous of entire- 
 
 Sr suppressing salmon fishing with nets of any 
 escriplion whatever ; I cannot make out the 
 object of these jteople, who aiipear to me never 
 it) have examinnl into the question of the sal- 
 mon fisliery in x conunercial point of view, un- 
 less it is to jiut a stop to that fishery as a branch 
 of industry, in order to make over all our rivers 
 Id which that fine fish abounds to the anglers. 
 And who would furnish those thousands ot bar- 
 rels ef salmon of which our traders dispose 
 «rvery year, either for home consumption or for 
 . exportation to the other provinces, and to the 
 United States? Would the anglers furnish them? 
 Or should we have recourse to the use of the 
 ^.peine ? The latter method of catching salmon 
 would be very expensive, and under many cir- 
 .cumstances much more destructive, and injuri- 
 '6us to the rivers than the use of the ordinary 
 ; nets. 
 
 (Jites. What is your opinion as to the use of 
 «od-3eines ? 
 
 ' Ana. I think it is one of the best modes of 
 'taking cod, witiiout in any way prod;icing re- 
 . suits injurious to the lisheries. Canadian fish- 
 . «rmen very seldom use cod-seines ; there arc 
 jBot more than some twenty seines of the kind 
 ;.^n all our coa?t3. A. large number of Ameri- 
 . ,«an fishermen, and some few from Nova Scotia 
 ^nd Prince Edward's Island, who fish on the 
 "•North Shore, use nothing else but seines. The 
 (French fishcriuen, of the north and west coast 
 of Xewfoundliiuil, during a portion of the fish- 
 ing season, use nothing but large seines forcod- 
 iishing. 1 have never heard it stated by prac- 
 tical tisliermcu from Canada, Xova Scotia, the 
 riiited States or France, lliat the using of seines 
 was prejudicial to the cod, much less to other 
 kinds offish : for the slioals of cod always re- 
 .miiiii apart iiud isolated from shoals of other 
 kinds offish, sucli as herring, mackerel, &c. 
 
 V«t.>.'. What is your opinion ns to 'he use 
 of ground lines ? 
 
 An--:. The use of ground-lines dates from a 
 ■very remote period. The French and other fish- 
 erman on the Great Hank of Newfoundland use 
 them in preference to hand-lines to catch the 
 largest species of cod. Some of the lines have 
 move than one thousand hooks. These lines 
 are sunk, and kept at the bottom by means of 
 grapples. They are taken up twice a day, the 
 fish removed, and fresh bait jjut on Ground- 
 line fishing for cod is extremely profitable to the 
 fishermen, inasmuch as they take none but large 
 fish of f''om fifteen to fifty pounds weight, and 
 •evenhca. ■ •. It has been asserted that the use 
 of ground-lines (on which none but large iisb 
 are cau fill ne;u' lin' coa.'^t, is iiiiurioiis t(. Miis 
 
 branch of the fisheries. The li'ige fish, it is 
 said, are females, and in destioying tliem you 
 destroy their progeny. 1 1 has also been stated 
 that, when hooked on the ground-lines and not 
 renidved at once, (he lish struggle a gro:-t deal 
 before they die, and drive away the rest of the 
 cod from the banks on which the grouml-lines 
 are set. But many fisl.ormen, on the other hand, 
 pretend that these objections to ground-line fish- 
 ing have no fomulalion whatever in fact. How- 
 ever this may be, the French Government have 
 thought proper wiiolly to suppress ground-llne.s 
 on the coast ofNewfoundland, where the French 
 fishermen are allowed to catch cod only with 
 seines, nets and iloating iiand-lines. In Cana- 
 da, on complaint of the .Magdalen Islands' fish- 
 ermen, ground-lines have also been prohibited 
 around those islands. Ground-lines arc not 
 used on the Gaspe coast, or on the north coast. 
 The ground-lines or rather fixed lines, used in 
 some of the lakes of Canada, to catch iroiit, are 
 not, I believe injurious. 
 
 Mr. HoLUDAY. — Qties. 1st. Do you think 
 that the use of any nets, seine or otherwise, 
 in the salmon rivers, would be most destruc- 
 tive to the salmon, who have found their way 
 there for the purpose of breeding ? 
 
 2nd. Do you think that owing to the salmon 
 nets set on the coast of the River St. Lawrence 
 and in the estuaries of its tributaries, the sal- 
 mon are frightened and driven off from their 
 intended course for their native river, and be 
 come lost at sea, as Dr. Adamson states ? 
 
 3rd. W^ould not the use of seine nets be a 
 most expensive way of taking salmon on the 
 coast of the St. Lawrence, and at same time 
 almost fruitless as a means of fishing? 
 
 4th. Do you tl'ink there is any aualogy be- 
 tween the vested fishing rights in tlie rivers, and 
 on the sea coast of Great Britain and Ireland, 
 and in the rivers and on the seaand river coast 
 of Canada ? 
 
 .5th. Do you not think, that if our present law, 
 witii useful amendments, was etliciently carried 
 out, and the nets at present used for the taking 
 of salmon, still used for that purpose, that our 
 salmon rivers would be well-stocked and the 
 net fishing increase in viiliie yearly ? 
 
 Gth Arc not the nets used at present for ihe 
 taking of salmon, the must simple and least in- 
 jurious that can be made use of", in allowing 
 the fisherman to carry out his business ? 
 
 .■l;i.s'. 1st. I think the use of nets of any de- 
 scription in the upper or fresh water [lortion of 
 the rivers would be very injurious, as they would 
 capture the sahnou necessary to stock the 
 rivers, and eventually cause a great decrease in 
 this fi.shery . 
 
 '2nd. From personal observation and know- 
 ledge of the habits of salmon, I am satisfied that 
 the nets used in the St. Lawrence and the 
 estuaries of its irihutaries do not frighten or 
 drive salmon from their inlemled coiir-e in re- 
 visiliuL'' tlieir nai'vi' livrs, 
 
nn 
 
 '■inl. I <lo not lliiiik seine nets arc at nil adapt- 
 ed for tiie capture ofsiiluum on the const of the 
 St. liiiwrenec ; Ihcy vvonlil be very unproduc- 
 tive, expensive, and in some places perfectly 
 unworkable, from llie strength of tide. 
 
 4th. There is no analogy whatever. The 
 vested rights of salmon fishing in the rivers and 
 on the sea coast of (rreat iiritain and Ireland 
 are held by persons to whom charters linve been 
 granted by the Crown. Tiicsc charters coni- 
 menoe very high, somelimes near the source of 
 the rivers salmon fref[uent, and are recognized 
 :is mucli private property us the soil. The 
 gnints arc often very small in extent, some of 
 them a short diitan'^c on one side of a river, 
 sometimes including both, but very seldom has 
 a whole river been granted to any one proprie- 
 tor. These small bounds create an antagonism 
 of interests, and cacli proprietor, or his repre- 
 scntativCf endeavors to lake as many salmon- 
 as he can ; and if the si.lmon arc caught in the 
 lower catuary and on tiio sea coast by means of 
 stake nct.«, the upper prDprietors get a smaller 
 numlnr, hence the outcry in Britain against 
 stake nets, in (Canada, the rights of salmon 
 fi.-hing are all in the hands of the Government, 
 and legislation !.- unfettcied on account of bav- 
 in;^ no conflicting private righis to interfere 
 with. The ine^ent law prevents any net-lish- 
 hig in the upper ov fresh water portion of the 
 river, and thu5lea\e3 all the salmon that have 
 passed the nets in the t "4uary and sea coast for 
 re-stocking the river-', whieh will be ((ulte ample 
 if no! otliorv,i:-ie do-fiovi d ; whcrea.-^ in Hritain, 
 tip.uiy nil are caugiil ■-lirin^' Mie li.^llirig .=oason, 
 and thfl t^w (haf n.-vnn'. aficr the i:lose time 
 commence: .ire I i .od to for re-stockiug the 
 river?, Th'' ii>ci''a.-i'd netting ovcrvwlierc in 
 
 (Ircat Britain uuist cause a decrease, wl,, 
 there is no respite giv^n the .-Jalmoii in tiie ii 
 per or fresh water division during the li-hii 
 season. 
 
 r)th. The existing laws, efficiently c.nni' 
 out, would amjily suftiee to regulate the netii 
 as now practised ; and under their provisin 
 the rivers must become well-stocked, and, i\< 
 consequence, the value of the net-fishing p: 
 portionately increased . 
 
 G'th. I consider the primitive system of n 
 fishing in use in Canada as the least injur!' 
 that could bo devised. 
 
 Mr. Thtii ; — Qiies.. Have you ever .seen a 
 salmon fry destroyed by Ihv /(igriiux fisheric. 
 Mie sduth shore ? 
 
 Alls. No. 
 
 Qiicf. IFave you ever known any salmon 
 to be destroyed on the north shore by the > 
 seines, or otherwise ? 
 
 Anx. I have seen salmon fry destroycil 
 ^fnscinei^ fisheries on the north siiore, and' by I 
 ring nets set to catch bait. 
 
 Qiit'x. Do you not think that the .qalmor.-l 
 ing apparatus in present u.>e is the liosi ami 
 least destructive tliat can be usetl? 
 
 A lit. Yes, 
 
 Qiip.9. Do you not think it impossible to i 
 salmon by seine nets on the sea coast, every wl 
 in salt water ? 
 
 .1;/.". \Vc might take a few salmon with 
 .seine, but it would never pay the c.vpcii 
 Having seined myself very often for mackc 
 codfish and herring, close to the salmon net? 
 happened only once that T caught a salmcfx 
 
 f 
 
3 a ili'C'i'Cii!JC, wii. 
 le salmon in I lie i, 
 1 (liiriii}? the li-hii 
 
 3, efficient)}' C!iiri 
 3 regulate the nelli 
 ider their provisjo 
 >ll-stockeJ, and, a< 
 f the net-fishing p- 
 
 mitivc system of n 
 as the least injniii 
 
 eyou ever seen iv 
 ie fiiKrincx nslierio. 
 
 loffn any salmon 
 
 •th shore by the ' ;; 
 
 mon fry destroyoil 
 )rth shore, and' by 1 
 
 ; thnt tlie salmor.-l ,; 
 ise is the hesi ami 1| 
 he used? 
 
 c it impossible to i; 
 e sea coast, everywl 
 
 few salmon with 
 r pay the expcii: 
 'y often for mackc: 
 
 to the salmon net? 
 
 1 cauglit a salmo'X