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Let him do so ^1^^;ScJ^^^:?^^Sr between mys^f and Wrigb. and the others who f/^^^^^'delr^ion given below tion headquarters ^nd in my deda^^^ mfo'rmation on I give to the P",''^*'^^" ior my own protection, bt this matter, and I may for my ^^^^P^^ ^ obUged to further disclose inep , ^ jjim to dus- and'others. I"^^^,Thar made and 'to give under prove any statement 1 have m ^^^ ^^^^ Sath the statements he so ir^ly se ^^ ^^^ ^^^^ Little did myseU or Mr. wnitney . ^j^^ i^ea ^hen Mr. Whitney ^^^^^^^^^.T^^^^e and wifen he exam- of the American book a good one ^i^^ book ined with me the cartoons for the^cons ^^^^^^^^^ and then recommended me to some o who then sent me to Wright. ^ ^^^^^^.^ .^ ^^^ Mr presence m the PO"r^r'^^^,f„„^_.-rs and oreaniza- entirely to Mr. Whitney, his suppor^^J'^ ^s I do under don. Let Wright furnisn ^'^;.^*„^^?X between us for oath and the people can theji judge betwee chemselves. I agam ^tX^e^TsJutg t letters and lath the statements he has been issu-ug interviews. f /■ ■ . I .' tj ''^i. \j THE NEW NEST OF TRAITORS. This little pamphlet is issued by myself at my own f xpetise and is merely intended to correct the false im- pressions Wright and the Tory press have attempted to create. Province of Ontario /Ti jC^ ^^?tf» ^J^nn Dominion of Canada ^.t^-^^tl'^'f-^^^^^^^^. Coimty of York. To Wit I Charles Ralph Mabee of the City of Toronto in the County of York, Publisher, do solemnly declare: 1. In the month of September, A.D. i9"Oi I sent to Col. Tisdale, M. P. for South Norfolk, a copy of the book, "McKinley in the Witness Box," and wrote him a letter asking him if he thought a similar book coidd be got out for the Conservative party in the Domin- ion campaign then going on. I wrote to him as I knew him personally, as I had lived in his Riding for vears and my family were among his strongest sup- porters. Col. Tisdale wrote me in reply to the effect that The Idea wr*^ a Good One but it would have to be done at once to be of any use. He gave me the address of the Conservative lieadquarters in Toronto, and told me to write them at once and make a proposition. I did nothing more ^"' (t it as I concluded that the time was too short ■ . out an effective book. Whitney Endorsed the Idea 2. I came home to Canada early in January A. D. 1901, and shortly afterwards I became acquainted with Mr. R. Southam the Manager of the Mail Job Printing Company. I showed him a copy of the book "McKinley in the Witness Box" and he sent it on to Mr. Whitney. On or about the nth day of February A. D., 1 901, Mr. Southam handed me a letter which he had received from Mr. Whitney, dated February 9th, A. D. 1901, in which Mr. Whitney stated that he had the American campaign book, and thought the idea of a similar book in Ontario a good one. The said letter is now in my possession and was marked as an exhibit to a former declaration made by me. 4 THE NEW NEST OF TRAITORS. Whitney Writes to Mabee 3 After this, and during the month of February 1 devoted some time to gathering material for a book in the interests of the Conservative party and had some cartoons prepared which I sent to Mr. Whitney. On the 8 th day of March A. D, 1901, I received a letter from Mr. Whitney asking mi- to come and see hun cither at the Parliament Buildings or at the Grosvenor House with reference to the book. This letter is now in mv possession and was marked as an exhibit to a former declaration made by me. Among other mat- ters contained in said letter is a reference to the car- toons which I had sent to him. Mabee Interviews Whitney 4. In answer to said let er I went and saw Mr. Whitney in his private room in the Parliament Build- ings when he told me he was convinced that a publica- tion similar to the American book, issued m the in- terests of the Conservative Party, would be of mater- ial benefit to the partv. At this time he had in his possession some of the cartoons which he and some of his followers have since denounced, and was <{nite de- lighted with them. He told me to go and see Dr. Pyne and .T.J. Fov with reference to the book and to meet him next time at his rooms in the Grosvenor House. Pyne and Foy Endorse the Idea 5. On the following Sunday morning I had an in- terview with Dr. Pyne at his residence, and on Mon- day I had an interview with J. J. Foy in his office on Church street in the City of Toronto. Both of these gentlemen coincided with Mr. Whit- ney's view of the matter and said that they thought the idea of such a book was a splendid one. Mr. Foy had a copy of the American book in hL« office and told me that he talked the whole matter over with Mr. Whitney. Dr. Pyne advised me to go and see A. W. Wright about it as Mr. Wright had had considerable experience in American c ipaign work and ought to be able to give some valuable assistance. THE NEW NEST OF TRAITORS. 5 Whitney's Instraotions to Mabee 6. Shortly after this I met Mr. Whitney in his rooms in the C.rosvenor House and we then and then- seif. and some was furnished me l>>7 "^J/'f, ^ int. Whitnev Dr. I'vne and others, and I put »' |^ "J^ rape 1 remember that Mr. Whitnvy ^-"PP/^ed ^^ Sng other things, with some matter abont the cos« rmfintenance of public i^^^^utions and t,. Ro^a Commission for the ^^---^^^^''Zt ?he proof Ss ?.r Th^e Ir^JTZZ^ thei ^ M^. .^Wright who read the p?oof and made corrections in his own han - writing! and told me that he in turn handed them ♦V. Mr T? n Osier M.P., Mr. Whitney, M.I l ., r^Foy M.P P Dr Pyne M.P.P.. and others. Fin^^ W Mr Wrfght told me 'that the literature Committee o^l the Conservative party had approved "^ ^^ "^^^^^^^ contained in the proofs and had decided that the book should be issued at once. Pablishers Bxpeot Some Return o On several occasions Mr. R. Southam told me tw he did not like the idea of taking the finw- ^ risk on the publication of the book, and thought t^t he should have some guarantee fgamst any loss. I mentioned this to Wright who ^f^d^e would see Mr^ wHtnev about it. He afterwards told me that he JLd spoken to Mr. Whitney about the matter and ^at Mr Whitnev had instructed him to go to Ham- nton and see Mr. Southam, Senior, as he thought more could be done with him than with his son Xbout the end of May or first part of ^--^J^^f^^, and 1 went to Hamilton together and had an inter view with Mr. Southam, Senior. Wright told him liaT h^ had been sent to him by Whitney and was authorLed by him to say that he wanted Mr- ^o"th- am to see that the book was issued, and that in the event of Mr. Whitney winnmg the "ext election, he. Mr Southam, would be weU repaid. Mr. ^o"th^ then made some remarks about the sacrifice:, he had made for the Conservative party and how much the printing companies and newspapers controUed by C 3 done for the party, and said, "I certainly ex- THE WKW NKST OF TRAITORS. 7 ptct some return." He promise ' us that he would write his son Richard instructing him to go on with the printing of the book and said it would be issued even if he ost money on it. Wrigljt had the proofs of the book with him and asked iMr. Southam to look them over as there was some "good hot stuff' in them. He said they were all right as Mr. Whit- ney had read them over and approved of them. Mr. Southam did not appear to be a xious to look at them, .md disn.i.ssed us with the remark that he sup- posed they \vt e all right as l\Ir. Whitnev approved of them. Whitney Read the PrcoflB 10. A few days afterwards I saw Mr. Southam, Senior, in the Mail olTice and he told his son Richard, in my presence, that he had learned from M'-. Wright that Mr. Whitney had read the proofs and had given his approval of them. It appeared to be settled that the Mail Job Printing Company were to go on and is- sue the book. .Shortly after this Mr. Richard South- ani made some further objection to taking the finan- cial risk. He told me that his Company had an old claim against the Conservative organization for campaign literature which ne»'er had be paid, and he thought he would prefer not have anything to do with the book imtil the , laim :.s paid. He said, that as Manager of the Compaay the re- sponsibility was on him to make a «/ood linancial showing at the end of the y« ■ I toi. v 'right about this and he asked me to go W. S. oohnston and ask him to submit figures on the work. I went to Johnston's place of business on Adelaide street west. and he then went down to Wright's olfice where he ob- tained a copy of the American book and was asked to submit figures on a similar book. A day or so after this the Mail Job Printing Company finally de- cided to go on and issue the work, and the negotia- tions with Johnston were dropped. Wright after- wards laughed and said he thought he had done a pretty clever thing in using Johnston to bring South- am to time. I learned later, however, that Mr. South- am knew nothing about Wright's schemirg with John- ston. THE NEW NEST OF TRAITORS. Mabee Received Tory Money 1 1 . During the time that the book was in course of preparation I received from the Mail Job Printing Company several sums of money, partly in cash and partly in cheques on the Molson's Bank, and I also received from the said Company money for travelling expenses, paid to me partly in cash and partly by cheques on the said Molson's Bank. I also received about Mav or June, either three or four clieques from Dr. Beattie Nesbitt, payable to my order at a Branc.i Bank on Spadina Avenue. These were given to me by Dr. Nesbitt as he said "on the side" and to help along with the book. He asked me to give him anvthing that I thought would be "red hot" and new in the way of material for a speech, and said he would like to "have me prepare some ma terial for him on the personal expenses of the Cabinet Ministers, such as cab hire, street car tickets, etc. He said this was great stuff to catch the voters. The T»lk at Tory Headquarters 12. During the time the book was being prei)ared I did not come very much in contact with any of the members of the Con.servative party outside of the city of Toronto and my own constituency of South Norfolk in which I spent part of my time at my h"me in Vittoria, and consequently did not realize the ex- tent of the dissatisfaction with the leadership and management of the party. I had often heard Wright, Leavitt, Nesbitt and others in the Conservative head- quarters on King street, Toronto, denounce Whitney for his conceit, overbearing manner, and total lack of political tact and business ability, bin r did not pay very much attention to this as it was quite appar- ent that the Wright-Iveavitt-Nesbitt crowd were down on Whitney, and that Whitney had no confidence in them but ".simplv tolerated them because he had to. Wright told me one day when he was very angry about something that Whitney was so ".self-opinion- ated that he could not pound an ounce of sense into his head." I am using Wright's actual words with THE NEW NEST OF TRAITORS. 9 the expletives left out. Wright told me to wait uu- tiJ I got out into the constituencies and I would fiiid out what the workers thought of their leader. Tory Candidate Demands Money 13. When at my home in Vittoria during the sum- mer, I came in contact with Mr. John L. Buck, the Conservative candidate for South Norfolk. We talked over the political situation and he informed me that Whitney wanted him to run again at the next elec- tion, but that he would not take chances again unless his election expenses were put up for him. Knowing that I was in contact with the leaders in Toronto he asked what I thought the chances were for llnancial help. I agreed to let him know when Whitney was expected m Toronto. I wrote him afterwards from Toronto that Mr. Whitney would be in the city on a certain day, and he wired me that he was coming down. I met him at the Union Depot and we went together to the Conservative headquarters and saw Mr. Whitney. Mr. Buck afterwards told me at lunch in Nasmith's restaurant that he had arranged mat- ters all right, and that Mr. Whitney had assured him that he woidd have $1,000.00, the whole amount to be paid to his brother at least one month before election. Mr. Buck repeated this again at the Un- ion Depot that same evening to myself and three others. Mr. Buck told me that he had told Mr. Whitney that he wanted the money sent to his brother so that the Tisdale crowd in Simcoe would have nothing to do with it. Tbc Question of Leadership 1 4- In July and August I travelled over the West- ern part of Ontario in connection with the book Be- fc re starting out Wright ga.e me a list of candidates in the present election and all the names of the Exe- cutive Committee of the Ontario Conservative Asso- ciation, comprising the names of Presidents of elector- al Division Associations, Conservative Members of the Jvcgislature. Conservative Members of the House of •commons m Ontario, Conservative Senators in On- lO THE NEW NEST OF TRAITORS. tario and defeated candidates for the Legislature and House of Commons in Ontario at the last election. 1 still have this list in my possession as it was given to me by Wright. He asked me to call upon as many of them as pos^ble and sound them on the question of holding a convention and appointing a new leader. He said that the plans were all laid and that if the fellows in the country were allright, he and Leavitt would resign and close up the headquart- ers office. "The Toronto World" newspaper would resume the agitation for a convention and six leading conservatives would issue the call for a convention. General Dissatisfaction with Whitney 15. When I came in contact with the leading con- servatives in several constituencies I found r very gen- eral dissatisfaction with the leadership of Mr. Whit- ney and fully as much with the work of the organizers. Some men told me that the grit organizers had been around helping the Real grits with their voters' lists and holding organisation meetings, while the tory or- ganizers could not be found imless there was a chance to make a speech at some big meeting. They also complained that when they went to Toronto they would find the headquarters office closed and no one to give any information. I informed Wright of what I heard in this respect, and told him that if a con- vention were held he should be prepared to make some explanation about these matters. A great many country conservatives complained that the party was being rim by the Albany Club, and that it was' the only place to go, when in the city, to get any information. Several 6i them criticised Mr. Whitney very severely for spending $76,000.00 on election protests, all to no purpose, except helping .some Toronto lawyers to make a good thing out 01 it. Some of them' remarked that if it were on hand then to distribute amongst the 'candidates they would have at least $1,000.00 each to help them in looking after their voters' lists and paying the expenses of the campaign. Lack of confidence in Whitney, Foy and the Albany Club, and disgust with the gross mis- management of the Party were apparent everywhere. THE NEW NEST OF TRAITORS. Maclean the Favorite I r 16. Some of the candidates whom I saw during mv ton Warden of North Wentworth, Jessop of Lincoln Sutherland of South Oxford, Stewart of^North M 3^ NortJ' P^^r'^ ""* ^?"«'? Wellington, Monteith of North Perth, Hanna of West Lambton, Beck of West Huron, Snider of North Norfolk, Herring of South to findinT^tl ^° 'T^ °**^"' "^^"^^ *"^ did "°t succeed in finding the candidates at home, but in nearly all the ridings above mentioned I saw some of the men mentioned m the Ust given me by Wright I Sn- ZT^ u^^"^ I^f"" I ^^"ed upon with reference to the I ^l^'S'P *"d found an overwhelming feeling against both Whitney and Foy. I was surprised to^ffn^d^^ r; Sfto^'titir °' °'- "l^^^"' ^"^ °" enquiring closT- Jy mto these causes, his strength seemed to come rather more from the fact that he was looked upon as a genial feUow and a good entertainer than "rom kis being considered a man of any capacity fo^pubS e^ jf/^^«/" was undoubtedly the favorii forTad- er He was looked upon as being able and aggres- S blin"d?v"fili?'^^ *° '°r^^* "^^^^-y- fatal blufder of^bhndly fighting everything proposed by the Uber- Money. Jealonsy and Lack of Unity takln ^JJ^^*«". °^,. P«!; told me he would not have taken the nommation if he had thought he would have SaST^fV^" election expenses. ^He said that Mr OntSin r ' ^^l°" ?^ Financial Committee of the £m ti^t Sf'^^fP'^^ Association, and had promised ^ anvtMnr h''" '^^f ^'' -^rnpaign did not cTst Si to^cnn^fn r S* ^°^PJa»ed that he had already «^t anvthin. ?T^ ^^P"?'" ^"d had not been able tJ get anything. He was down on Whitnev for «.xn,.«H «g so much money on protests and eaLg Ws^c^-" &^v?r- riid- Jhrh:^-i;?^^^^^^^^^^ THE NEW NEST OF TRAITORS. U a convention -^Y«/^^tf„ey "''SJIeVli^ otr^^^ me he had no use ^^F ^J/'^^ outof the way hotel was that he kept himseU at an followers in Toronto, *"4 ^^r,^ffj? he haS remonstrated to see him. He told me ^^^^^^ J^^^ ^j Hamilton with Whitney Jbo^^^f ;^:,^ whHney about the book said that he had ^a -^^^J^/^!; ^^'Ji^ gam him a lot of and that Whitney thought it would g ^^^^^^ Con- votes. He said he would ^av\tn ^^^^^ ^^^^ servativeAssocxation order x.ooo^b^^^^ ^^ ^^ rXtheTo^^toU- ^Hesaid. Whitney was Jealous of Everybody who possessed any abUity - who mjght^be liUg^^^^^^^ come to the front in the ^ -'^^y- ,? ^ favored oxford did not think much of WJ^^^jf ,„";t>atterson. Nesbitt. I s^w, also Messrs Buuoc^^.^^ ^^^ the President and ^ecretar> ol ^h^^ lock favored Maclean and Patterson ^^^ Jessop of Lincoln was sore °«_.^7^7 Header, but con- said that.they hadn't a man ^^l^l^^^l^Zd thought sidered Maclean the best of Jj^^j^w ' ^^^ that steps should 1^^- been taken to get^hmi^^^ ^^^^ Legislature. He wad m iavor oi a^ ^ ^.j^ \iJta to consider the quesUon^ jacked the necessary Middlesex thought that Whitney lacKea ^^ qualifications for a s«^<^f «^^»i ^" ndTdate agSnst Col. sore over the treatment the candidate ag ^^^^^ Anybody Would be as Good as Whitney ,^ * ui, M North Perth condemned Whitney for Moutcith of Wortn reri.u , , ^ would his management of the l^JgJ,PJ°^*««^ ^Ana of West ^pport either Nesbitt or M;^!-^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ht Lambton ^as ^ Jhitney out a ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^hoT r$tot!:f::ot/which had been raised to THE NEW NEST OF TRAITORS. 13 fight the Garrow protest to which he and five others had attached their names. He clair' d that Mr. Whitney had promised him that it wouM be paid within 'three months from the time it was made, and that it had then been rui.ning in the Bank fot ver a year and nothing paid on it. He favored Maclean strongly for leader. Kribs of South Waterloo was down on everybody. He did not think that any of them were any good, and was so disgusted that he doubted very much if he would even be a candidate again. Herring of South Essex didn't care who was leader. He was quite satisfied with any of them so long as Herring could be elected for South Essex. He said that was all he cared about. » Snider of North Norfolk did not have much to say except that he was disappointed with Whitney's management of the party. /■ Snocess Impossible nnder Whitney 18. After encountering such a diversity of opinion and such general dissatisfaction, I was couvinced that the conservatives could not succeed under the present leadership, and that if by any chance the Liberal Gov- ernment should be defeated, the affairs of the Trovince, with Whitney as Premier, would be so grossly mis- managed that the Conservatives would be turned out at the end of four years, and the Liberals again le- tumed to power, probably for another thirty years. Withdrew vuse of His Name 19. While my sympathies were always with the Con- servative party I had gone into the scheme of pub- lishing the book with the expectation of making some money out of it, and I found that I had been gtossly misled by Messrs. Whitney, Wright, Nesbitt, and the rest of them. I tok^ Wright, Leavitt and Nesbitt, that the only kind of a book which would appeal to the country Conservatives was one denouncinj; Whit- ney as leader of tl party. They were still anxiou.s to have the book got out, and Wright talked of los- ing a subscription which they expected W. R. BrocK, M. P., to head \'ith $500.00, and then send the book «4 THE NE^ NEST OP TRAITORS. out at a reduced rate or give it away free. I told them they could pay me for what work I had do7 e oa it aud I would draw out of it and let them issue it on their own responsibility. I immediately found out that thejr wanted me to take the respousibUity for the many wild and inaccurate statements which they had themselves furnished me with. I then recused to have the book issued in my name, and took the plate ol my signature away from the Mail office, with the result that the book still remains in cold type in the office of the Mail Job Printing Company. Wrigrht Plotting AgaiDSt Whitney 20. When I mentioned to Wright that I thought the best selling book among Conservatives would be one denouncing Whitney as leader, he said it would be a good thing if such a book were got out at once and not left until it was too late to change leaders. He said he would help me all he could, provided I did not come out in favor of the Government, and he gave me the names of several people who could give me information about Whitney. I saw most of these people, and I have used some of the information gleaned from them, and some I have not used, for reasons which I can give if nece.ssary. Mabee Issnes a Book of His Own 21. I do not pretend to possess any great political virtue, aor am I pharisaical like organizer Wright. I confess that my sympathies always were, and still are with the Conservative party. I foimd out, however, that the weight of argimient in the coming campaign was on the side of the Government. I went to Alexander Smith and told him that I proposed to get out a pamphlet setting forth the condition of affairs as I studied them while working with the Conservative organization, and commending the for- ward policy of the Government. I found that Mr. Smith had known about the Conservative book for months, which somewhat surprised me. He told me plainly that neither the Government nor the liber- al party won] I have anything to do with my proposed THE NEW KEST OP IRAITOR.S. ,j new book, but Ui.t il 1 would »o abend «/l ~. book out o. my owu respou^SuyTl^wlSd'tiH.! ed to go .h«^' r'tii'^i^ ^tb T,t^i ' ^'^^- tbat 100,000 coDiM Irf fhTk^ 'P*^' '"' I Wt Company .horSr.Tter ^S^lober'st'" ^rTf\''°n.'' book has been larp^« anH ;» • • ^°® ^^^ of the contained T 5%?aks fo^^JfTf^' "f ^ '^« "^*««r book, "Our Proffrei •• mv«u f^"' ^ P«Pared the looked up mySu Sd Sl^J'""^ "^f '^"^ ^"^ I Rose & cVTny'fSJlt^^SXltx^n".^^" with Hunter. Not Aided by Liberals otrer4t7rom'a^7p7rtrin^^*^"?^ «"-"-! «' book. "Our ProffTMs •• no^Hn^ connection with the thing from an^boSy 'except thrnfT'^ '° """^^« ^Y' the lale of the book WriifT^'' «>' publishers 6n •iay proof sheets of the bo?J' i^ur V'^' ' ^^^ *°- corrections and additiono \^?.h • u- ^^^o^ress," with [ng. The sentenci It Jhr^ottom 'of°^^ ^^^ '^^- book. as foUows. ''Iiosoo of t^f .°i P^«^^6 ^ said the hands of Toronto non?,v? ^ ^76,000 is now in pted to me trwAgh^t°''''Se";a" L^'tlf'" ""^ ^«^- two Toronto Conservat v. uJ ^^ *^^ "*"^« o' got the money ^d^int J 7/?' ^^° ^ ^"^^ ^^^ but I refused. Hralsow^^t.?^ ^°."^^ ^^""^ "Barnes, ney had got part of th. 1 ** ""! *° ^^^ that Whit- thi, also^ Wright w^thTZ'l' ^"* ^ '^^"^^^ t° do information about WWtnev be£^^ T^ ^^.^^^ "^* ^^^« position of President of !^tV.'^^P°^^<^ ^'om the asked me to sav in the DamnM*? Company. He also est friend t^rl^rln^T^'^t' 'l^'Z^'^'^'K' ^''''- threatened to expose the seTrTts of ThTc "^^^ ^""^ party unless he was paid so much mone^ ^""^"^^^^^ i6 THE NEW NEST OF TRAITORS. 23. I have never consulted any member of the Gov- ernment in his room or elsewhere, with reference to the book, "Our Progress," or had any conversation or communication in any way with any member of the Government with reference thereto, and any state- ment to the contrary is deliberately false. Dr Mesbitt Fears Resalts 24, Since the publication of the book "Our Pro- gress," Dr. Beattie Nesbitt sent a messenger to my house that he wanted me to come and see him at his residence. The message came at a very late hour on Saturday, October 19th last, and I called at his residence on Sunday morning, October 20th, and had a talk with him, lasting over an hour. He first said he wanted about 50 copies of the book, and I told him to go to Hunter, Rose & Co. for them, which he did next ; morning. He then asked me for the let- ter which he had given me recommending the book, which had been prepared for the Conservative party. I told him that I did not have it with me, but that I would let him have it when I was through with it. He asked me, a.s' a personal favor, not to let it be- come public, as it showed that Whitney had read and approved of the book, and that Whitney now deniea that. He said he had no use for Whitney, but the publication of his letter would injure him (Ne^itt) very much with the Conservative party. He pleaded so hard that 1 would have promised not to publish it had it not been that it was necessary to do so for my own protection. And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously believing it to be true, and knowing that it is of the same force and effect as if made under oath ani by virtue of the Canada Evidence Act, 1893. Declared before me at the city of Toronto in the Coxm- (Sijrned) ty of York, this 15th day of November. A. D., 1901. CHA.S. R. MABEE. (Signed) DONALD MacDONALD, A Commissioner, etc. mm