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"Prohibition has been tried over and over again In the United States and In Canada, and has failed. • • »» To make their prohibition effectual they would probably ask powers to employ a large detective service, j ry Into all men's business, stop suspect.'d traffic In the street and roadway, and dance attendance on every man going to his dinner."— THE MARQUIS OF LORNE, late Governor-General of Canada, writing from Kensington Pal- ace, Januar. 15th, 1895. SIR >VILUAM IIARCOVKT. "I know some people Imagine that. If you could only enforce sobriety by law, you would get rid of the greater part of the misery and vice In the world. But unfortunately for this theory, we know that the most sober races in the world are among the most miserable and the most vicious. The southern people are far less ad- dicted to drink than those of northern climates. They are not more virtuous, more industrious, or less criminal. These people have ml-ssed the point. What realty makes sobriety valuable Is the voluntary self-control, the de- liberate self-denial, which resists temptation, and leads a man, for the ■ake of himself and others, to abstain from vicious indulgence, and this Is a thing that you cannot create by Act of Parliament."— SIR WILLIAM VER- NON HARCOURT. MR WILFRID I,41JRIER. "If Prohibition were applied revenue to the amount of 18,000,000 would be wiped out at once, and would have to be "" -d up in some other way, v^'^hat sea ce of revenue is there that has not been tapped already? DIRECT TAX- ATION IS THE ONLY SOURCE Oi-EN."— SIR WILFRID LAURIER, as reported In Toronto Globe, May 14, 1837. THK OPINION OF B. R. Oai.RR, M. P. ^ "Prohibitory laws have been a fail- ure wherever they have been enacted. Failure is written in broad plain let- ters upon prohibition wherever it has been tried. It Is bound to end in fail- ure. ' It will create a demoralizing In- fluence in the community and lead to perjury and deceit and a degraded moral sense, far worse than intemper- ance. Canada Is progressing steadily and firmly on temperance principles. We are Improving from day to day, and from year to year as a temper- ance people. We are improving In that respect without prohibition, without one part of the community taking an- other part by the throat and saying you shall not do this, but simply owing to the increasing moral sense and knowledge of the people that drinking to excess is wrong and vicious. Let us go on steadily, from year to year. Improving as we are doing, and thus helping to solve this question in the only way It can be solved, by creating temperance living In the country. I believe that no greater calamity could befall Canada than an attempt to en- force a piohlbltory law. Such a law cannot be enforced, as we know from experience everywhere. We are, 1 ■| c. 2. ^•jpe, a fair-minded British people, .nd yet It Is proposed to do away with all the buildings and money and CApltal Invested in enterprise which is now perfectly legal. Why, you cannot .put this law into effect without com- pensating all those now engaged in the legitimate traffic, the manufacture and sale of liquor. Tou are stirring up strife among the people, you are tak- ing a leap in the dark, and you are de- claring that we should take a step which involves the loss of seven mil- lions or eight millions of dollars of revenue and perhaps one hundred mil- lions of dollars of capital, and you are about to do this simply on a chance vote yes or no."— E. B. OSLER, M.P., In the debate on the second reading of the Plebiscite Bill. PR»IIIBITIO!f IN THB ST4TB OF NAIKB. "For many years there has been a prohibition law in the State of Maine, and I do not think there is any State In the Union where you can find more Gold Cure Institutes and places of re- ■ treat for gentlemen who over-indulge than you can find In that State. Not- withstanding that, when you come to the Legislature of the State of Maine you find a peculiar Influence that car- ries prohibition."— RUPUS POPE, M.P., in the debate on the second reading of the Plebiscite Bill. ABR TOD PKEPAKBO PAK DIRECT TAX- ATION? "It Is said that you should not sub- mit arguments to the people on a bal- lot. I quite agree that you should not submit arguments to them, they will not read them. But we want infor- mation, or else this plebiscite is of no advantage. We want to know, not only whether the people are In favor of prohibition as an abstract idea, but whether they are willing to submit to the consequences of enforcing prohibi- tion. One of those probable conse- quences will undoubtedly be direct tax- ation; but If it Is necessary. In order to have prohibition, to have direct tax- ation, you should ask them: Are you willing to bear it?"— GEOIUJE E. CASEY, M.P., in the debate o.i the - second readlns of th« . Pl«biscr.e BilL PRBP0BTBR01J8 AMD VNRBA80IIABI.B. "First of all, the principle of any number of men in the community who may associate themselves together, saying to you or me or any one else: "You shall drink this or you shall not drink this; you shall eat this and no other kind of food." As reasonable would It be to say to them: "You shall not eat beef." as to tell me that I shall not take a glars of beer or a glass of wine, simply because they, in their high estimate of themselves, think that they are able to direct the community as to what they are to consume. The measure Is the most preposterous and unreasonable one that ever was proposed."— SENATOR O'DONOHUE, in the debate on the Plebiscite BilL THE MBASCRB WOITLD BE IHPRACTI- CABLB. "I am opposed to prohibition in it- self. Although I sympathize very earn- estly with those who are trying to pro- mote amongst our people temperance habits, still I think they are making a mistake in having this measure forc- ed upon the people. I believe it will be found an Impracticable measure."— SENATOR BERNIER, in the debate on the Plebiscite Bill. PROHIBITORY LA^S A F411IIRK. "Some years ago the Dunkin Act, a prohibitory law, was introduced In On- tario. At that time I had been in a municipal council for several years, and I had very grave doubts as to whether It would be carried out. Even although a majority of the votes cast were in favor of the adoption of the measure, I had very grave dtubts as to whether the popular feeling was strong enough to permit of the meas- ure being carried out for any length of time. My doubts were confirmed, and the effect was that the cause of temperance was in a worse position three or four years after the bill be- came law than It had been before. The license laws of the province had done a great deal to lessen the sale of liquor aided by the influence of temperance advocates, but after we got the Dunkin Act, there seemed to be a certain class who took a particular delight in break-* (1 Ing the law and, of course, In many ways they were able to gret liquor. Liater on the Dunkin Act was repealed. After the Scott Act was passed a few years ago, our friends said that It was a better Act, and that was tried, and after three or four years was repeal- ed." — Senator Reesor In the debate on the Plebiscite BllL NOT A HODWD PBINCIPLE. "The lines that the temperance peo- ple have bee", working on for a num- ber of yearb .lave been very successful. They now propose to step out of those lines. They say 'our efforts that we put forth in order to secure this tem- perance sentiment In the country gen- erally are too onerous and we propose to make a short cut and by legislation we are going to cut oft the supplies.* Now, I do not think that that la a sound principle to work upon. In the first place, according to my Idea, it Is impracticable; that it is utterly impos- sible to put prohibition in force In such a way that nobody in the country Is able to obtain alcoholic or other bev- erages."— Senator Boulton In the de- bate on the Plebiscite 6111. COST MIIiI.I«»Nrt TO ENFORCR. "In addition to the loss of revenue what a sum it would take to guard a frontier of four thousand miles, and a seaboard of fourteen thousand miles. It would take an enormous amount of money. Whether they will put such a law in force or not I do not know, but that would be the logical conclusion of a vote favorable to prohibition. The temperance people are deceiving them- selves in this matter by forcing this measure on the country. I gave them full credit for their good intentions, for their desire that people should be sober and industrious and leave off the evil habit of drinking, but if the tem- perance people themselves reason and argue on the lines of common sense, they will see that their contentions cannot be carried out in this country. If the republic to the south of us were a temperance country, then we might possibly do so. As it is, with the man- ufacture and sale of liquor in that country, it would be perfectly Impossi- ble to keep spirits out of Canada. Not only that, but It would lead to the greatest Imn'orallly In this country In smuggling, in running private ■tills. and in other ways; so tt^t It would not be possible, by legislation of the kind before us, to make the people so- ber."— Sen • or Macdonald ^3.C.) In the debate on ihe Plebiscite BllL PBOHIBITION I.AW8 ALWAYS VIOLATED. "I can state from my own personal observations that In some of the states and In this country where Prohibition acts were In force that they were open- ly violated, the law was not observed and over and over again I saw, as I said before, at hotels and otherwise where a little tipping would get what- ever you wanted, notwithstanding a prohibitive law was in force and I do not believe U a Prohibition act was passed to-morrow that it would be pos- sible in a large city, for Instance, by any such means to put an entire stop to the sale or use or manufacture of spirituous liquors."— 'SENATOR AL- LtAN, in the debate on the Plebiscite Bill. WOCLD PKOHIBITION PROHIBIT r "Now, sir, this brings us to another consideration which has to be kept In mind by those who have to vote upon this question. "Would Prohibition pro- hibit? That is a question which the electors have also to consider. There are those amongrst tis who favor Pro- hibition; there are ' ose amongst us who do not favor Prohibition; but whether we favor or whether we do not favor It, the question which the electors have to solve in their ballot is as to whether or not — let them be ever so ardent Prohibitionists — wheth- er or not a prohibitory liquor law would prohibit the liquor traffic That Is a question as to which there may be serious doubts. We have the fact that at the present time, tobacco, which is moderately taxed, although somewhat highly, but after all moderately, yields practically no revenue because we know there is a considerable amount of smuggling done in that article. This is a consideration for the electors. — SIR WILFRID LAURIER. in the de- bate on the second reading of the Plebiscite BllL o WHAT cant JvincB AmHoiB lAia. "I do not think that drinkluff Intoxi- cating liquors makea a man aciimlnal a; y mor* than eating oatmeal makes ^^ man a Presbyterian."— CHISF JUS- 'i OE ARMOUR. In his evidence before ttic Royal Commission. l>144rPOINTED WITB TBI SCOTT ACT.^ "I was in faror of the Scott Act at the time U waa carried, and I was very much disappointed at the result."— VEiTEiR HAMILTON, manufacturer, Teterboro, in his evidence before the lloyal Commission. TUB SCOTT ACT WAS DBCBABINH. "'Morally speaking, the 8oott Act in that shape was Infinitely more degrad- ing to the people than a license act Men lose their self-resiMot who surrep- litiously break a law In that kind of w ay."— JOdIN CRERAR,County CYown Attorney, Hamilton, In his evidence be- fore the Royal Commission. I'lNNOT KNFOBCR TBUPEBANCB Bl' lAW. "I may slate that I am not opposed to temperance or even total abstin- ence; my objection Is only to the at- tempt to enforce temperance or total ubstinence by law. In fact, you can- not enforce tentiperance by law, for temperance Implies self-restraint and Belf-restraint ends when coercion be- g'ins. I have long had the conviction that It is Impossible to enforce total abstinence by law, that the attempt only makes matters worse."— PROF. LiDWIN SMITH, In his evidence before the Royal Commission. WHAT BBWABB SDBNBY TBINKl OF IT. *1 think a prohibitive law for the whole Dominion is thoroughly imprac- ticable. I do not believe that a pro- hibitive law would do away entirely with intemperance and the opportuni- ties for Intemperance. My experience in prohibitive territory has been con- fined to Maine and the prohibitory dis- tricts in Illinois, and in both Instances I found that the people had no difficul- ty in getting intoxicants."— EDWARD GURNET, manufacturer, Toronto, in his evidence before the Royal Conunls- slon. ■^■B MAIf ACBK OF THE IMPEBIAI. BANK, "I do not believe such a law could be enforced. We have an Immense ter- ritory running for thousands of miles along the territory of a foreign na- tion and it would be impossible to pre- vent liquor being brought In, as it was Impossible in the Northwest Tt- rltorles during the continuance of the prohibitory law there, I think It would be still more difficult along our immense frontier. We have only re- cently seen the difficulty on the St. LAwrence of keeping out smugglers; and es the Inducement to smuggle would be so much greater under the prohibitory law, I think it would be still more difficult to enforce the law. I am afraid It would also have the ef- fect of Increasing the number of hjrpo- orltes and perjurers."- D. R. WILKIE. Manager of the Imperial Bank of Can- ada, in his evidence before the Royal Commission. 7840 /l 126