;J^>57orPR!A^ Digitized by the Internet Archive in 2009 with funding from Princeton Theological Seminary Library http://www.archive.org/details/dialoguesonuniveOOthom DIALOGUES UNIVERSAL SALVATION, AND TOPICS CONNECTED THEREWITH. BY DAVID THOM, MINISTER OF BOLD STREET CHAPEL, LIVERPOOL; AITHOR OF "the assurance OF FAITH, Oil CALVINISM IDENTIFIED WITH UMVERSALISM," "THREE QUESTIONS PROPOSED AND ANSWERED;" ETC, ETC; CORRESPONDING SECRETARY FOR ENGLAND TO THE AMERICAN UNIVERSALIST HISTORICAL SOCIETY; ETC. LONDON: SIMPKIN AND MARSHALL: LIVERPOOL: GEORGE PHILIP. MDCCCXXXVIII. LIVERPOOL : KIDDICK AND KERH, PRINTERS, BRUNSWICK STREET. ^^ EPISTLE PREFATORY. TO ROBERT THOM Esq., MERCHANT AT CANTON, IN THE EMPIRE OF CHINA. My truly dear brother, It will occasion you doubtlessly no small degree of sur- prise, to have your ordinary avocations broken in upon by an address of this public nature. And, if surprised at the address itself, how much more so at the conspicuous part which, unwittingly, you have been made to play throughout the following pages. The fact is, that having for some time past contem- plated the publication of a volume, which should treat of certain momentous topics of a religious kind, not often made the subject matter of discussion ; and having con- ceived that, by adopting the form of dialogue, I was more IV. EPISTLE PREFATORY. likely to excite interest aud make myself understood, than were I to have recourse to a more didactic method of com- position; the only real difficulty of any consequence which I encountered, was in fixing upon the parties who -should be brought forward as my speakers. To the use of fictitious names, I felt strongly disinclined. The The- rons and Aspasios, the Philalethes's, the Theophilus's, and the Biblicus's, of a former day, did not happen to suit my taste. Real personages were what 1 wanted. But why violate the truth of history, by representing the illus- trious dead as acquiescing in sentiments, which, in their time, had not been broached ; or to which, as we gather from their writings, their minds were adverse ? And what right had I, without consulting tliem, to introduce living characters as a portion of my machinery ? Tliis was some- what puzzling. At last it struck me, that I might, not only without offence, but even in such a way as to testify affection and respect, bring you on the stage as one of my interlocutors. And this being once resolved on, anoma- lous as the procedure may appear to be, — indeed, amount- ing as it does to a practical bull, — it was farther deter- mined, that tlie conversations should be carried on by you with myself. Tlie author of the ivhole was thus to pre- sent himself to liis readers as merely the author of a part. Conceiving as I do, that I am in possession of views of religion of a more-than-usually important kind ; and that I am capable of maintaining these against all oppo- sition ; I have certainly acted the part of a superior and a teacher throughout these dialogues. You, therefore, are made to yield. By the arguments which I employ and enforce, you allow yourself ultimately to be overcome. EPISTLE PREFATORY. V. But have I, ou that account, assigned to you a trifliug part ? Have I represented you as urging objections, of th« weakness and inapplicability of which you could have reason to be ashamed ? With such treatment of you, I cannot charge myself. So far from putting intd your mouth feeble and ineffective arguments and objections, merely that I might exhibit my prowess in demolishing them, I have not allowed you to express a single sentiment of which the most intelligent ordinary professors of reli- gion would not unhesitatingly avail themselves. Nay, in opposing me, the views and notions to which you are made to give utterance, are such as in the works, and from the lips, of such characters one is in the constant habit of reading and listening to. But while I employed you as an adversary, I had to remember that you are, what among the religious par excellence it is somewhat rare to meet with, a candid man. Therefore it is, that you are never made to carry your opposition beyond the bounds pre- scribed by fair and legitimate argumentation. You are never represented as violating conscience. On the con- trary, I have sometimes made use of you, after being your- self convinced, to assist me in explaining and enforcing some of those blessed truths, which it is the grand object of this book to bring under public notice. Whenever it appeared to me, that a somewhat less candid and enlight- ened controversialist than yourself was required to the working of my plans, an imaginary Friend has been called on to supply the desideratum. By the introduction of this personage, besides, I have ensured a little more variety, as well as a more thorough sifting and development of my religious system, than if the conversations had been limited to ourselves. VI. EPISTLE PREFATORY. I could have wished to connect your name with some work of greater magnitude and more consequence, than even the following. It is not mere fraternal affection, I trust, which suggests to me, that you are worthy of the highest literary oflFering which it is in my power to present. And still more important works than this have been plan- ned, and partly executed by me. But why delay, until I can prepare and publish them ? Besides the res angnsla domi, and many other circumstances which poor authors ate obliged to take into account in bringing their compo- sitions before the public, can I forget the shortness and uncertainty of human life, and the risque of postponed intentions never being executed ? Life is fertile in pro- jects, and in the glowing and glorious anticipations of future doings, with which, in quick and constant succes- sion, it contrives to enchant the mental eye :— Life is a looking forward from the day Of being's dawn, tlie infancy of thought ; While fancy's brightest visions round us play, And all the path looks fair, and fraught With full-blown promises ; But death too often steps in most unceremoniously to interrupt and disappoint them; or, in the somewhat quaint language of the sweet poem from which the above extract has been taken. Death records the flight of time, its doom. And frames its epitaph, that tells the blast All we can say of gone mortality, " 'Tis past."* Desirous, therefore, to avoid adding mine to the stock of * unfulfilled intentions,' — a species of commodity with which, according to a certain puritanical writer, a place which shall be nameless ^is paved,' — I have resolved to * Angel Tlsi/s, by James Riddall Wood. Canto 2d. EPISTLE PREFATORY. Vli. * take time by the forelock' ; and, however unworthy these pages in many respects may be of your acceptance, to effect, in as far as I am able, an inseparable connection between your name and them. You understand, then, my dear Robert, that besides your being introduced as one of the principal speakers in the following work, to you the work itself is dedicated. With all its sins and imperfections on its head, it is put under and claims your patronage. Lest any should be stupid or perverse enough, notwith- standing the declaimer which I have already made, to suppose that the whole, or any portion, of the language and sentiments imputed to you in this publication is yours, I beg leave, in the most distinct manner possible, to un- deceive them. In so far as you are a spokesman in these dialogues, you are the mere creature of my imagination. The ideas presented throughout are mine, not yours. For them I, not you, am responsible. It is true, that, in former days, before your first voyage to South America, we did hold frequent conversations on the subject of religion; and I almost think, that some of the matters treated of in the first dialogue were, on more than one occasion, considered and discussed by us. You were then very young; and, without sacrificing in the slightest degree that independ- ence of thought and character by which you have all along been distinguished, you were pleased to attach an import- ance to many of my views and statements, which was exceedingly flattering to me. Still, I cannot charge my memory with your having ever expressed yourself as, for my own purposes, I have here represented you as doing. One thing I know, that, at the period alluded to, the all- VUl, EPISTLE PREFATORY. important topics treated of in the second and following dialogues, had not even occurred to my mind. Respect- ing them, therefore, there neither was, nor could have heen, any intercourse between you and me. But a truce to all this. Without any farther preface, I interpose my- self between you and all the shafts of criticism. If there is any fault to be found with either the matter, or the manner, of these dialogues, against me, and me only, let the censure be directed. Me, me; adsum qui feci; in me convertite fernim. You are in no respect whatever to blame. You were igno- rant of the intended publication of the work; you are, up to this moment, a perfect stranger to most of the sentiments which it contains; you are innocent of any guilt which may be conceived to attach to the leading doctrines which it ad- vocates. In so far as these dialogues are concerned, I am the only party to whom the critic has any thing to say, and with whom he has any thing to do. The announcing of the author as one of the interlocutors, at the commence- ment of every dialogue, has been done of set purpose : it being hoped tliat thereby all mistakes will be obviated, and the circumstance of the whole having proceeded from myself be kept constantly and prominently before the reader's mind. As to the assaults of criticism upon myself, J neither court nor deprecate them. To me, the language of re- viewers, whether making a profession of religion or the reverse, is now very nearly a matter of indifference. This I say, without any affectation. There was a time when, owing to the natural constitution of my mind, the flattery or the censures of magazines and reviews would have pro- EPISTLE PREFAI'ORY. IX. duced a considerable effect upon my feelings. But that period is long since gone past. The neglect, if not con- tempt, which I have experienced at the hands of " the gentle craft," with respect to some former honest and well- meant endeavours to obtrude on the public notice views which I know to be true, and which strike me as involv- ing consequences of supreme importance, has tended to- wards curing, if it has not actually cured, my expecta- tions from the world. *' The disciple," I perceive, must be content " to be like his master;" " the servant, to be like his Lord." If religious statements be brought down and ac- commodated to the mere fleshly mind, and its apprehen- sions of divine things, — well. Physical and metaphysical theories of a present or a future state, however foolish when considered in a scriptural point of view, will, on the ground of the acknowledged genius and worldly attain- ments of their respective authors, be received gladly. 2 Corinthians xi. 19. But woe be to him, who, whatever be the strength or feebleness of his intellect — whatever be his ability or lack of ability — attempts to treat of and ex- liibit the truth of God, in its native, spiritual, and glorious simplicity. Such an one will speedily, in the neglect, the insolence, or the avowed contempt of the literary demi- gods of the day, be furnished with a practical comment on the revealed inability of the mere fleshly mind, however strong and capacious otherwise, to understand and relish spiritual things. 1 Corinth: ii. 14. To treatment of the kind alluded to, you are well aware that for years I have been subjected, As the reward of earnest desires, and repeated attempts, to draw the attention of professing Christians to simpler and more self-consistent views of the X. EPISTLE PREFATORY. scriptures than those which are commonly entertained, I have been loaded with imputations of heresy, kicked out of an established church, shunned by dissenters, condemned by the Pharisaical, laughed at by the Sadducean, and con- sidered a fitting object of neglect by all. Those produc- tions of mine, in which, without affecting any false mo- desty, I can say with truth, that I have brought out views of a spiritual kind much superior to the clearest and the best-digested of those which pass current in the world, have not been deemed worthy even of a notice the most contemptuous. This present work, therefore, like some of its predecessors, is publislied without any great expect- ation on my part of its attracting regard, and in some measure careless whether it do so or not. Looking upon myself as, like every other human being, a mere instru- ment in the hands of Jehovah, I avail myself of every opportunity which, in the course of his adorable provi- dence, he may vouchsafe to me, of drawing attention to those glorious discoveries of heavenly truth, of which, from time to time, my own spiritually-enlightened con- science has been made the passive recipient. Freely I have received ; freely I give. The world in general, the great, the learned, and the talented, but more especially the nominally pious, will continue to treat me and my sentiments with contempt. But what of that? They cannot hinder one of the designs of God from being ac- complished. To me it is matter of absolute certainty, that with a view to some end or purpose, however trifling and insignificant in the eyes of the world, the publication of these dialogues must have been permitted to take place. And if a few individuals, obscure and despised like the EPISTLE PREFATORY. XI. author himself — a few of those hahes and sucklings out of whose mouths their lieavenly father is pleased to ordain strength — -shall derive the slightest spiritual benefit from their perusal ; if thereby to them Christ and his salvation shall be rendered more precious ; can a higher or more important object be, by the child of God, conceived of, and be, by the divine blessing, attained to ? Observe, my dear brother, I am not complaining. Indeed, I have no reason to do so. Independently of spiritual considerations altogether, the kindness of friends, and the wide circulation given to my books in spite of the silence of reviewers, have been most encouraging. While thus made instrumental in communicating benefit to some, why should I discontinue my literary labours ? But success in publishing is, comparatively speaking, a paltry considera- tion. Nay, rejoicing in it would, under my circumstances, be the indulgence of a splenetic, not of a Christian feeling. The grand reason why I complain not is, that complaints with regard to the treatment which he experiences from the world, come with a very bad grace from a child of God. Let me never forget, that Cain was the elder brother, and Abel merely the younger. For in this, as in other cases of a similar kind, that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural. As the elder, and as possessed consequently of the natural birthright, to Cain and to his seed belong the good things of this world, as their portion and inheritance. It is the inheritance of the saints in light, — the inheritance thatfadeth not away, — which has been as- signed to Abel, and to those who by faith are one with him. This being the case, why should I, as a believer, expect or claim from God benefits which, to the men of the world, b XU. EPISTLE PREFATORY. he expressly declares himself to have made over, and which to them, therefore, rightfully belong ? Why should I grudge them their portion ? Why should I complain that it is not mine? Have they not a full and unquestionable right to the pleasures, comforts, and advantages of time ; and what right have I to interfere with them in the enjoyment of these ? No. I do not complain. Flesh and blood, it is true, — my nature as a man, — shrinks back from suffer- ings and ill-usage at the hands of a world that lieth in wickedness. But as a partaker of the earnest of the divine nature of Christ, I reproach them not ; I return not evil for evil ; I wait with patience for the resurrection of the just. Luke xiv. 14. Well am I aware, that, in the present volume, consid- ered merely in a literary point of view, there is mucli for criticism to fasten on. Its structure, its arrangement, its composition, are far, far indeed, from being faultless. To save trouble, I am ready to admit the severest indictment against it, which it may please the man of taste and re- fined intellect to draw up. Does he indulge in the lan- guage of disparagement ? I more. Its style, I grant, is dull, laboured, irregular, involved and unclassical. As to matter, it abounds with repetitions. There is scarcely any thing in it of the smartness and flippancy of fashion- able conversation. And there is a value attached by the author to doctrines, which, in the estimate of the world, does not belong to doctrinal subjects at all ; and which, accord- ing to ordinary professors of religion, belongs to views and sentiments of a totally different description. Well : as to all these and similar points, the recorded plea of the au- thor is guilli/. On such grounds, he acknowledges him- EPISTLE PREFATORY. XIU. self to lie open to censure. And what is his justification ? Or has he any ? Why, he declares, that his grand, he might almost say, his exclusive ohject has been, to excite interest in the topics of which he treats, and to make him- self understood ; and that, if in the attainment of this ob- ject he shall have been successful, it will give him little or no concern to find, that his style is chargeable with sole- cisms and his matter with redundancy. If rendered the blessed instrument of drawing attention to divine truth, he will sit with perfect ease and composure under the impu- tation of having assigned a disproportionate share of im- portance to the subjects which he discusses. A few obscure individuals, a single person, roused by his efforts to investigation into the scriptures themselves, and enabled to shake off the fetters of a spurious theology, constitutes his reward. It is to excite in some the suspicion, that there may be more in the sacred volume tlian either they or their religious guides have ever yet dreamed of, that has been his main object in this, as well as in all his otlier publications. Are any, by his means, led on in their spir- itual researches? Are any, by his means, induced and enabled to assert that liberty from the thraldom of human ignorance and error in regard to divine things, wherewith Christ maketh his followers free ? His end, in that case, is answered. To increase the love of the members of the church for the scriptures being his object, he leaves to others the endeavour to attach importance to themselves and their productions. Quitting the use of the third, and resuming that of the first person singular, I observe, that much of what in the subsequent pages may carry with it the aspect of deformity in matter and manner, is actually XIV. EPISTLE PREFATORY. intentional. I repeat in a following dialogue, what has been alluded to or even partially treated of in a preceding one, wherever and whenever I think, that repetition is ne- cessary and may be had recourse to with advantage. I often of set purpose, and curiously, construct my sentences after the fashion in Avhich they make their appearance, wherever and whenever I conceive, that the ends of pre- cision and perspicuity are most likely to be promoted thereby. Intelligibility, and a desire cautiously and accu- rately to define my terms on a subject where writers can- not be too exact, far more than a regard to the claims of elegance, have guided my pen in the composition of the present work. Not that I have intentionally violated the laws and domains of Priscian, or wilfully set myself in opposition to classical authority. But style has been with me an exceedingly subordinate consideration. Language is merely my instrument for bringing under the notice of fellow believers truths of the most momentous description ; and never, therefore, can T persuade myself to become its slave. And now, Robert, let me turn to you, and to your con- cerns. Of myself and of mine, I have already said enough, and more than enough. Your progress in the acquisition of the Chinese language, and in the opening up of those stores of peculiar and recondite literature over which its strange characters and mystic constructions have hitherto thrown an almost impenetrable veil, have, you may be sure, been productive in my mind of no ordinary degree of gratification. Regularly and carefully are the columns of the Canton Register searched by me. Often liave I been amused, and always delighted and instructed, by the EPISTLE PREFATORY. XV. letters and other communications of " Sloth" and " Dust and Ashes."* The fact of your having heen able, in the absence of those eminent scholars and Sinalogues, Messrs. Gutzlaflf and Morrison, to conduct satisfactorily in the Peking or court dialect, in behalf of a friend, the pleadings in a cause tried before a tribunal of Mandarins, of itself speaks volumes as to the progress which, in so short a pe- riod,f you must have made in the acquisition of the most singular, difficult, and repulsive of all known tongues. Your praiseworthy devotion of your leisure moments, to the comparatively humble task of compiling a vocabulary of the Peking dialect, and also an elementary work for teaching Englishmen at the same time the Peking and Canton dialects, deeply interests me. This *' labour of love" will not, I hope, interfere with your continuing those translations from the Chinese poets, which must have been to you a source of so much delight, and which indicate such amazing proficiency in your Oiiental studies. Made novd virtute, puer. The leading difficulties being sur- mounted, the way to the inmost penetralia — the adyta — of Chinese literature, now, I presume, lies invitingly open before you. When, if ever, my dear brother, shall we meet again ? Shall we ever behold each other Jace to face again, while sojourners in mortal flesh ? Are immense tracts of unex- plored country, and wide intervening oceans, always to separate us during the remainder of our brief and fitful earthly career ; and always to keep you from the embraces •Signatures adopted by Mr. R. Thom in his conespondence with the Editor of the Canton Register. f About three years and a half; chiefly spent in mercantile pursuits. XVI. EPISTLE PREFATORY. of au aged and respected parent ? Questions like these often occur to puzzle me, and cast a damp over my spi- rits. Emotions springing from reflections of a similar kind frequently, I have no doubt, agitate your own bo- som. And who will venture to prognosticate the issue ? Blessed be that God, who, hiding the future from the pry- ing and curious eye of man, hath, in mercy to us his crea- tures, reserved the times and the seasons in his own hands. To have been able to look forward through the vista of future life, and to foresee and foretell its various suff'erings and its final close, would have been misery, unmixed misery, indeed. Therefore, is a veil, impenetrable by the eye of man, made to hang over it. Enough is it for us to know, that God is love ; that the whole course of Provi- dence is subject to his guidance and control ; and that he is making all things to work together for our good, as well as for his own glory. Let the event to you and me, therefore, be what it may, it will, it must be, right. Years have elapsed since you and I " met on the bridge, and broke the willow twig" in concert with eacli other ; and since, after having parted with you, I " your elder brother" " watched the golden sail" of you " my younger brother," " lessening in the distance ;"* but time has not, in the slightest degree, contributed towards effacing from my mind, or even impairing, the remembrance of the sweet and pleasing, although melancholy scene. Often, often, does it recur to me. Much do I delight to dwell on it. And are my fraternal affections — my desires to *" Elder brother," and "younger brother," are complimentary phrases in con- stant use among the Chinese ,■ but here they are employed in their literal sense. The other quotations are classical Chinese allusions to the parting of relations and friends. — See the Canton Register of the 18th October 1836. EPISTLE PREFATORY, XVll. look again on the face of hiin, to whom I have occupied the place, and cherished the attachment, of a father, as well as of a brother — to be entirely disappointed ? This question it is not for me to answer. But this I can say, Robert, that ' while memory holds her seat,' and the pulses of nature continue to play, it will not be a small matter that will be able to root out, subvert, or destroy the affection borne towards you by him, who, with pleasure takes this public opportunity of subscribing himself. Yours sincerely. In the bonds of strong earthly attachment, D. THOM. Liverpool, 2d May, 1838. DIALOGUES ON UNIVERSAL SALVATION, AND TOPICS CONNECTED THEREWITH. DIALOGUE FIRST. SUBJECT : ELECTION AND THE MEANS OF GRACE. . SPEAKERS :— AUTHOR. BROTHER. B. Do you not call yourself a Universalist, David ? T. I both call myself one, and am one.— Why do you put the question ? B. Because I find it difficult, I should rather say im- possible, to reconcile Universalism with the doctrine of election : a doctrine which I have heard you declare that you hold in the strictest Calvinistic sense. T. Wherein do universal salvation and election ap- pear to you to be inconsistent with each other ? B. Why obviously in this : — that if you maintain it to be the divine intention to save only a limited number of the human race, you are guilty of nothing short of a direct contradiction in terms Avhen, at the same time, you assert that every human being shall ultimately be saved. Elec- tion of some, and salvation of all, are ideas evidently and monstrously incongruous. Hold the one, and the other necessarily falls to the ground. A ^ ELECTION AND T. So have thought and reasoned men wiser, and pro- founder, and more learned, than either of us, my dear Robert. But this has been owing to their spiritual capa- cities and attainments never having equalled the powerful natural understandings with which confessedly they were endowed. They were great men, but not enlightened Christians. The fact is, that so far from election and universal salvation being incongi'uous — nay, so far from their being merely reconcileable — if the holy scriptures are to possess any authority in this matter, the one actu- ally implies and involves the other. B. How so ? T. Let me explain myself through the medium of the answers which I know you must return to questions which I am about to propose to you. — Are you not, when you suppose election of some and salvation of all to be inconsistent doctrines, understanding the words election and salvation to ]iave one and the same meaning? Or, to express myself differently, are you not understanding election of some and salvation of all, to be equivalent to the phraseology, election of some and election of all ? B. Of course I am. T. And are you not supposing, farther, that the salva- tion of the few who are elected is the final cause, or ulti- mate end, of the divine purpose? That is, that when God shall have accomplished the deliverance of his chosen people, his purposes of grace will be exhausted : aud that thenceforward, and in regard to the rest of the human family, there will be no scope except for the exercise and display of everlasting vengeance ? B. I confess that such is the view which I have hitherto taken of the subject. If erroneous, how do you propose to correct it ? T. Why, by shewing you that, according to the sys- tem of Uuiversalism which I hold, in the first place, God THE MKANS OF GRACE. 3 saves his chosen ones, and saves the remainder of the hu- man race, in two totally distinct ways ; and, in the second place, that the salvation of the elect, so far from being inconsistent with, is in the course of God's adorable providence rendered subservient to, the ultimate salvation of the others. B. May not all this be a mere fancy of your own ? Indeed, what security have I that it is not so ? — You know how fertile the mind of man is in the devising of expedients by which to get rid of an acknowledged diffi- culty. T. I am far from blaming your caution, my dear brother. The treatment which the inspired records have met with at the hands of all sects and parties warrants, nay constrains you, to exercise the utmost circumspection in regard to what may be proposed to you as divine truth. — But allow me to ask you : — Did not the word salvation convey a perfectly different idea to the minds of those who lived before the Messiah's appearance, from what it does to us who enjoy the privilege of living under the New Testament Dispensation ? B. I admit that it did so. The Jews of Christ's time so interpreted their ancient prophecies, as to have expected deliverance from the yoke of the Romans, and their other temporal oppressors : whereas, when prophecy came to bo explained by the result, it turned out that deliverance from that very law, which they themselves fondly hoped would prove eternal, had all along been its real import. But what of that ? How do you apply it to the present case? T. By making the blunder of the Jews a means of suggesting to you that, in divine things, a view which is currently and unhesitatingly received may, after all, be very far from being a correct one. Nay, by making it to suggest to you, that the notions of divine truth which most 'i ELECTION AND readily present themselves to the mind, and obtain most general acceptance among the human race, so far from deserving to be implicitly relied on, are almost always those of which we should be most suspicious. This, how- ever, by the bye. — Let me now propose another query : — Was not the salvation or deliverance promised to the Old Testament or temporal Israel, deliverance in time from the yoke of the Mosaic law ? And is not the salva- tion or deliverance conferred on the New Testament or spiritual Israel, deliverance when time shall be no more from the wrath to come ? That is, do we not find the word salvation, when applied to the respective deliverances of the temporal and spiritual Israels, to bear two totally different senses ? B. Well, I must allow that you have satisfied me of the existence of two distinct salvations or deliverances : a national salvation of the temporal Israel; and a salvation of the spiritual Israel, of which the former was merely emblematic. So far I observe and grant that the word salvation has two distinct senses, and refers to two distinct series of events. ^ — What farther? T. Were not the Jews God's elect people in Old Testament times ? Chosen by him from among the other nations of the earth ? — This, of course, you will not deny. — But now answer me, and answer me fairly : — Was the election of the Jews an end, or a means to an end ? That is, does it appear, from the result, to have been God's in- tention to preserve them for ever in the enjoyment of their peculiar external privileges and immunities ; or to render their temporary possession of these privileges subservient to a wider spread of the knowledge of his name, at a fu- ture period of time, among the Gentile world ? B. The latter unquestionably. Election, in the case of the Jews, was but a means to an end. T, And if so, may not the choice of a small number of THE MEANS OF GRACE. , O the human race to the enjoyment of peculiar spiritual privileges in the kingdom of Christ and of God, or to salva- tion in one sense, be perfectly consistent with the wider spread of the knowledge of God ultimately among the children of men, or to salvation in another sense ? May not the peculiar privileges of the spiritual Israel, like those of the temporal Israel which was its type, be, not an end, but a means to an end ? B. I must understand you better, before I yield an unqualified assent to what is implied in your query. — Tell me, what do you mean by election ? T. Choice of a smaller out of a larger number. B. That is— T. The choice of a certain number of the human race out of the whole, by God himself, before the foundation of the world, to be the objects of his special love, and the heirs of his heavenly kingdom. B. Are you serious in what you say ? T. Why do you think it necessary to ask such a ques- tion ? B. Because if you are serious in your avowal, your sentiments, with regard to election, appear to me to be identically the same with those of Calvinists themselves. T. And what then ? — My views on the subject of election are certainly of the strictest and most decided kind. I am satisfied that, according to our blessed Lord's statement, strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life j and that Jew there be that find it. Mattw. vii. 14. The iew who do find this gate, are per- sons who have been predestined from everlasting to do so. Their finding it, and entering into it, are not the result of any exercise of free will on their part, or of Iheir having prepared themselves in any respect whatever for the en- joyment of the privilege; but spring solely from the good pleasure of Jehovah himself. They discover not the 6 • ELECTION AND gate ; on tlie coiitraiy, God discovers it to them. For he is found of them, when they seek him not. Isaiah Ixv. 1. Rom. X. 20. Not in virtue of any merit of theirs, but in fulfilment of his own gracious, everlasting, and unchange- able purpose, does he cause the light of the knowledge of his glory, in the face of Christ, to shine into their minds. 2 Corinth, iv. 6. In the reception of divine truth, the election of God are thus perfectly passive. To them, as predestinated and enlightened from above, is the enjoy- ment of the kingdom of Christ and of God here and here- after conceded. And by them, from first to last — B. Hold — hold — you quite bewilder me. There is not a single idea now expressed by you, in w^hich you dif- fer from the ordinary run of Calvinistic divines. Tell me, is there any point, respecting the elect, in which you and they happen to be at variance? T. None whatever, that I am aware of, in so far as the origin of God's electing love, and the comparative small- ness of the number of those who are the objects of it, are concerned. In so far, too, as Calvinists regard and main- tain the purpose of God in election to have been the dis- play of his own glory, or the manifestation of his own at- tributes and perfections, I am at one with them likewise. — When I say, at one with them, observe, I mean with such only as are consistent Calvinists. For a vast number of persons who profess to adhere to Calvin's sentiments, are in scarcely any one respect to be preferred to the out and out followers of John Wesley. B. This is a most sweeping censure. T. Nevertheless it is deserved. B. In what particular doctrinal views do professing Calvinists agree with Arminians? T. In maintaining creature free will; and representing it to be in the power of sinners, if they choose, to believe the gospel. Have you never noticed that many of those THE MEANS OF GRACE. 7 who are denominated, and considered to be, Calviuistic preachers, are in the habit, in the course of their sermons, and especially towards the close of them, of exhorting sin- ners to come to Christ — of encouraging them, by a variety of considerations, to make the attempt — of enforcing upon them the necessity of doing so as a matter of duty — of informing them, that it is their own faidt if they have not yet believed the gospel — and of threatening them with hell and damnation in the event of the all-important act of faith, to which they are exhorted, not being performed by them ? Indeed, they must set about it Avithout delay. "Now," exclaim these soi-clisant ambassadors of Christ, most abominably perverting scripture, " now is the ac- cepted time — norv is the day of salvation." To such lan- guage you must frequently have listened. And did it never strike you, that thus to address their hearers was, on the part of the divines in question, grossly inconsistent with the leading principles of the Calvinistic theory ? B. I have often heard exhortations and denunciations such as you describe. But it never occurred to me, until now, that they were inconsistent, either with Calvinism, or with the nature of the gospel. — Even yet, although I cannot deny that an exhortation to believe does, at first sight, look like a call to the creature to elect himself and become his own saviour, and does consequently seem to oppose one of the leading principles of the Calvinistic system, I have little doubt that the worthy men who are accustomed to indulge in such exhortations would, if asked to do so, be able to justify their procedure. — But how would you avoid committing the fault which you impute to them ? — What do you consider faith to be ? T. The gift of God. Eph. ii. 8. B. So do those whom you condemn. In words, at least. — But what conclusion — what practical conclusion, I mean — do you draw, from the circumstance of faith being God's gift? 8 ELECTION AND T. Why this, — that it cannot be in the power of a creature to bestow faith, either on himself, or on others — that to believe cannot, in any respect whatever, be a crea- ture act — and that, consequently, for one uninspired creature to exhort another to believe, is for the one to be chargeable with the absurdity of urging the other to per- form an act that is divine, or to usurp one of the supreme and unalienable prerogatives of Jehovah himself! B. If faith then be, in no respect whatever, an act of the creature, how can it be produced ? T. Simply by God who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, commanding the light of the knowledge of his glory in the face of Christ, through the medium of the scriptures, to shine into the heart. That is, in believing divine testimony the creature is not active, but passive ; he does not act, but he is acted on ; he does not put forth an effort of his own, but he is the subject of the almighty and sovereign power of Jehovah. Eph. i. 18 — 20. In a word, he is as completely passive in the reception of spiritual light, as was the natural creation when, at the almighty fiat, natural light burst through the thick gloom in which all things were originally enveloped. B. There is no act of faith, then, to be performed by the creature, as Roman Catholics think, and as ordinary protestants, ever too prone to acquiesce in their views and statements, have generally admitted. T. Act of faith! No — yes. — That is, faith itself not being an act of the creature, but a principle conferred and implanted by the Creator, to believe is not an act which any man, enlightened from above, can either attempt to perform himself, or call upon a fellow creature to perform. But where faith already exists as a principle bestowed by the Creator, there from it, just as from any other prin- ciple, acts corresponding to its nature will be found to spring. — Faith itself is not an act: therefore, in the THE MEANS OF GRACE. 9 ordinary sense attached to the phrase, we cannot speak of an act of faith. But faith is the source or parent of spiritual acts : therefore, in this sense we can speak of acts of faith, just as we also speak of labours of love. B. What, under these circumstances, can a minister do? T. No more than any private Christian can. — He may place the truth, as it is in Jesus, before his fellow men. B. How ? — By exhorting them to believe? T. Most decidedly not. For divine revelation is not a command to the creature to perform any act in order to his own salvation, whether it be act of obedience to law or of obedience to gospel, or any other conceivable act. But it is simply a declaration to the creature, upon divine authority, of an act which the Creator himself hath per- formed. — The gospel is not a command to do, but a pro- clamation of what God hath done. Be it hiown to you, men and brethren, that through this man is proclaimed to you, the forgiveness of sins, is its simple, uniform, and gracious language. The word gospel signifies glad tidings. And glad tidings to the guilty conscience upon which it takes effect it is, by shewing all works of the creature superseded by a gracious and glorious work of the Creator. It benefits the creature, not by prompting him to act, as is the scope and tendency of all the exhortations and threatenings of the popular preachers ; but by producing in his mind a passive, a sweet, a delighted acquiescence in the act which was finished upon Calvary eighteen hundred years since by the Son of God. B. What do you say ? Do you mean to assert that there is no act whatever performed by the creature in be- lieving divine testimony ? That he is merely, and entirely, and exclusively, passive in his reception of the truth ? T. Even so, my dear brother. B 10 ELECTION AND B. Is there no putting forth of any effort on his part to comply with the gospel ? T. Of none whatever. Instead of exertions to helieve being stimulated by the gospel, exertions to believe are, in the very act of God's conferring the knowledge of the gospel upon any one, superseded at once and for ever. It is true that, where the gospel is not believed in, there ex- ertions to believe it are stimulated, by misapprehensions of its nature, in the mere Adamic or fleshly mind. B. You perfectly astonish me ! In the event of your being right, a man can have no merit whatever in believ- ing! T. He has none. And it never was God's intention that lie should have any. It was ever God's purpose that the whole glory of salvation should redound to himself the Creator alone : and hence, all who have been enlightened from above, of course and as a matter of necessity, glory only in the Lord. 1 Corinth, i. 29. 31. B. But what, then, becomes of the creature's will ? According to you, he believes unwillingly. Whereas, it is expressly stated in the 110th Psalm, that Clirist's peo- ple ai'e willing in the day of his power. T. So they are. And to suppose that, in my apprehen- sion, believers of the gospel in the reception of the divine testimony are unwilling to believe it, is merely another of your mistakes, Robert. — It is true that, at the very mo- ment previous to any man's believing the gospel, he is unwilling to believe it. And this, because the carnal mind being enmity against God, not being subject to his law, neither indeed being able to be so ; — and also, be- cause the individual naturally possessing nothing higher than carnal mind ; — it is absolutely impossible that there should be any inclination on his part, previous to believing, to receive the gospel testimony. — But the passage which you have quoted says, that the people of Christ shall be THE MEANS OF GRACE. 11 willing in the day of his power. So say I. The conferring upon any man of the principle of faith, which is God's act, is the making of him willing ; or is the conferring upon him, at the very same moment, of a new and divine will, which is perfectly different from, and which necessarily supersedes, the will of his natural fleshly mind. B. In other words, if I understand you aright, it is not by a man's being previously willing to believe the gospel, that he actually does believe it; but it is by his being given from above to believe it, that willingness is imparted to him. T. Just so. B. What you say may be true. But it appears to me that, by your theory, you do away with the use of means altogether. T. Means used by whom? B. By human beings, to be sure. T. And for what purpose? — Now pause and reflect before you return an answer. B. I do not see what occasion there is for this warn- ing. The means of which I speak, are means of believing the gospel, and thereby of participating in the great sal- vation. And it certainly does appear to me, that the views entertained by you, by representing the knowledge of di- vine truth as heing freely — I would rather say, arbitrarily — conferred by God, set aside entirely the necessity of any creature using means for the purpose of becoming ac- quainted with the gospel. T. Remarkable truth ! my dear Robert. According to what I have been taught by the scriptures themselves, faith is arbitrarily bestowed; that is, is bestowed, not on those who to the eye of mere man would appear to have the best title to it, but on those who, having been fore- knoiun and predestinated by God to the enjoyment of this privilege before time began, are in time called to the en- 12 ELECTION AND joymeiit of it. And, tlierefore, it is never by the employ- ment of what he supposes to be means of believing on the part of the creature, that he is brought to Christ, but always in opposition to such self-righteous efforts. In- deed, it would be contradictory to the whole revealed scheme of salvation, were the belief of the gospel to be made to depefid, either in whole or in part, on the creature's intentionally striving to believe it. It would be to make belief his own act. It would be to render him his own saviour. It would be to convert life eternal into a reward of human merit, instead of being what it actually is, the gift of God. Salvation would then be of works, not of grace. To set a man who is ignorant of the glorious gos- pel, upon using means of believing it, — believing?"^/// — is to flatter, and second, and strengthen, the self-righteous principles and tendencies of his fleshly mind, which of them- selves prompt the excited conscience to put forth efforts in order to be saved ; — and to try to persuade any man that, in consequence of having made such efforts, he has actually believed, is to do Avhat in us lies to substitute in his mind a glorying in self, for that only scriptural ground of glory- ing, the finished work of Christ. It was for this reason that I warned you. — The work which was finished on Calvary is that which of itself and alone saves, if scripture be true. This being the case, it is absolutely impossible that any thing, call it what you will, can be requisite in order to salvation, over and above that Avork. And yet by saying, as you yourself and ordinary Calvinists do, that men must use means of be- lieving, that is, use means ybr the purpose of believing, you actually represent some work, in addition to the work of Christ, as being necessary to salvation; and that, too, a work which the creature himself must perform. This creature work you interpose between the conscience, and the work of Jesus the Creator. You make it the sine qud THE MEANS OF GRACE. 13 non of salvation. "The creature must use menus for the purpose of believing, and thereby of being saved." O Robert! why not cut the matter short, and say at once and honestly with the followers of Pelagius and Arminius, that, without the performance of good works by the creature,- he cannot be saved. B. But it is the work of Christ alone which saves. T. Not, my dear brother, according to your system. For if so, why call upon sinners to use means of believing, or to do any thing else in order to be saved? — If it be Christ's work alone that saves — and, that this is the case, the whole of scripture testifies to the enlightened mind — what occasion is there for the unbelieving portion of man- kind performing any act or work whatever ? B. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. x. 1 7. T. True. For the same God, who caused his word to be committed to writing, causes that same word in his own good time and way to reach the ears, and, what is more, to be carried home to the consciences, of the destined heirs of salvation. B. Talk as you please, David, you set aside entirely the use of the means of grace. T. Means, I again ask you, used by whom ? B. By creatures, undoubtedly. T. So I do, Robert. And it is the glory of the gospel that it does so likewise. — But, because the use of means by the creature is done away with, does there remain no possibility of the use of them in another and superior quar- ter ? If there be no means of grace and salvation as used by the creature, may there not be such means as used by the Creator ? What if the scheme taught me by scripture does set aside the worthless and self-righteous efforts of mere creatures, in order to substitute for them a simple, sovereign, and efficacious, act of the Creator himself? 14 ELECTION AND B. I do not understand you. T. Well, I will endeavour to explain myself. — Nothing as used by a creature is, or can be, a means of salvation. And this for a variety of reasons. Such as: — that salvation appertainimj to God alone is, in no respect whatever, man's work^ that it is already complete, and, consequently, uns,usceptible of any increase or addi- tion; and that the only way in which a creature can attain to the enjoyment of it is by its being freely, that is, unconditionally, bestowed upon him by the Creator. Now, the notion of means of salvation or means of believing, which is one and the same thing, requiring to be used by creatures, contradicts every one of these self-evident scrip- tural principles. For no man can set about using them, except on the hypothesis of salvation being in part at least man's work — of its being still incomplete, without the employment of such supposed means by him — and of certain terms and conditions thus requiring to be fulfilled by him before he can be a partaker of life everlasting. — That is, salvation is proclaimed in scripture as finislied by the Creator. Whereas to urge the use of means of grace and salvation by creatures proceeds on the principle of salvation being unfinished by the Creator, and remaining to be finished by them ; or of the salvation of the Creator being inefficacious of itself, and requiring to be rendered effica- cious by the concurrence and co-operation of his creatures! — What Christian sees not, that to prescribe the use of the means of grace to a fellow mortal, is to contribute all that in us lies to the confirmation in him of the principle of creature-righteousness? And that, in fact, it is in no small degree owing to such erroneous teaching, that men ignorant of God's righteousness are induced to go about to establish their own righteousness, not submitting them^ selves to the righteousness of God P Rom. x. 3. But while nothing as used by the creature is, or can THE MEANS OF GRACE. 15 be, a means of salvation, any thing or every thing as used by the Creator may be so. A previous course of profli- gacy ; an open and furious hatred to Christ and his cause, as in the case of Saul of Tarsus ; or a religious educa- tion and correct moral deportment; — however incongruous, and however inconsistent with the object aimed at by some of them, these various states and conditions of man may to the natural mind appear to be ; — nevertheless may all and equally be the means, in the hands of the Spirit, of bringing the individual into those circumstances in which God may see meet to reveal to him his glorious character. That is, while the most careful moral training, the most respectable character, and the most religious dispositions, — which are generally understood to be the best preparatives for believing or the most suitable means of grace, — may terminate, and generally do terminate, in bitter and un- compromising hostility to the gospel ; on the contrary, the most awefully flagitious career, and the fiercest previ- ous dislike of divine things, may all at once be brought to an end by a free and unexpected manifestation to the conscience of the gift of life everlasting. For Publicans and harlots enter into the kingdom of heaven in prefer- ence to the self righteous. — Still, however, the previous career and practices of the individual who is subsequently brought to the knowledge of the truth, whether moral or immoral, are merely in the hands of God the remote means of his believing. The direct and immediate means of faith is always the manifestation to the conscience of the truth itself: a manifestation which is invariably and ex- clusively God's work. That is, it is the effect of previous means used not by the creature but by the Creator. — It may be, that a long course of fleshly piety, and a careful perusal by a mere natural mind of the sacred volume, may issue in the discovery of Christ Jesus. But it is just as possible, nay, as the result proves, rather more probable. 16 ELECTION AND tliat they may not. And the reason is, that every effort of a religious nature made by the mere fleshly mind tends to exalt the creature in its own estimation, or to a result exactly the opposite of that exaltation of Christ Jesus the Creator which is the grand characteristic effect of the belief of the gospel. The reading of the scriptures, prayer, and attendance upon public ordinances, when practised by the mere natural mind as supposed means of grace, so far from tending to repress its self-righteous actings, constitute the chief sources from which the principle of self-righteousness draws its strength and nourishment. It is only when the reading of the scriptures, and the hearing of sermons, happen to be means of grace ordained and employed as such by God himself, that they will, or can, contribute to- wards and terminate in the spiritual illumination of the individual. — And be it observed, so entirely is God him- self alone the user of the means of grace, that even in cases where persons of a previously religious turn of mind are brought to the knowledge of the gospel, the truth manifested to them from above is never that which they were previously seeking after, but always something pre- viously unknown to and unsuspected by them. God is invariably ybitwt/ of them that seek him not.* The fleshly mind is, in its most pious and religious exercises, tjoing about to establish its onm righteousness : and if, while so engaged, God shall be pleased to manifest to it, as its own by his free gift, his glorious divine righteousness, it is al- ways in such circumstances taken by surprise. The poor deluded religionist was looking for creature righteousness; — but unexpectedly the righteousness of the Creator is revealed as belonging to him, by having been freely be- stowed upon him. Sweetly observes John Barclay of Edinburgh, in his treatise on the assurance of faith, that "multitudes who, at first going forth, like Saul" were * Rom. X. 20. THE MEANS OF GRACE. 17 seeking " lost things of lesser value, have lighted, by the special direction of providence, upon the inspired servants of the Lord, have received his word with joj, and returned again triumphing in the infallibly assured hope of a king- dom that fadeth not away." And this is true. For that which the fleshly mind was employing as a means, not of becoming acquainted vt-ith the salvation of Christ, but of increasing its own good opinion of itself, God is, in all cases where faith follows, pleased to over-rule to be the instrument of disclosing to it his own glorious character. Have you any conception now of the difference between a creature pretending to use means of grace and salvation, and the Creator himself actually doing so ? B. Why really, if I comprehend you, David, in so far as the use of means of grace by creatures is concerned, it is a mere matter of chance or accident whether they shall, or shall not, terminate in their reception of the truth ? T. Precisely so, Robert. And this, because to use the means of grace and salvation, no less than to accom- plish the work of salvation itself, belongs to the Creator alone. What to the fleshly mind appears to be a means of grace when used by the creature, is actually seen by him who is taught from above to be the means of fostering self-righteous propensities, and thereby of drawing forth tlie most deadly enmity of the creature to God. And hence it is that although some of these users of the means of grace as they themselves think, but in reality self- righteous opposers of the revealed righteousness of Christ, are, in the course of God's adorable providence and in vir- tue of his everlasting purpose, brought to the knowledge of the truth ; yet by far the greater portion of them are left to what is the natural, and what unless sovereign grace interpose is the necessary and inevitable, conse- quence of their self-iighteous conduct. Continuing to use the means of grace, as they fancy, but in fact persevering c IS r.f.ECTION AND in a course of self-vigatoous endeavours to save themselves, tliey are allowed tliereby to harden themselves more and more against the simple truth. — Thus, my dear Robert, it is impossible for Christians, judging from any present state of the mere fleslily mind, whether religious or irreligious — whether using what are called the means of grace or neg- lecting them — to say, that this state of mind shall, or shall not, issue in the belief of the gospel. This we know, that the purpose of God will always take effect: the election will obtain it; allhougli the rest he blinded. Wlierever God intends to save, he will always take care to bring the object of Ids love into such circumstances as shall lead him ultimately to an acquaintance with the truth. B. Am I to understand you, then, as meaning that, in so far as our views are concerned, it is a mere matter of chance whether reading the scriptures, experiencing feel- ings of anxiety respecting one's future condition, and cul- tivating seriousness of outward deportment, on the part of a natural man, shall terminate in belief of the truth, or in the most intense hatred of it? Indeed that, of the two, such exercises are more likely, humanly speaking, to have the latter than the former result ? T. Certainly. — You have exactly apprehended my meaning. B. Then what become of the directions for attaining to the belief of the gospel Avhich are given in Doddridge's Rise and Pmgress ? What of the elaborate statements, respecting the duty of believing, which abound in the works of the late Mr. Fuller, of Kettering ? And though last, not least, what shall we think of Bunyan's slough of des- pond, fiery law, and wicket gale experience, as they are described in his deliglitful Pilgrim's Progress ? T. Why, Robert, painful although it be to say so, yet it is fact, that llie views of all the eminent men of whom you speak, — in so far as they inculcate efforts to believe. THE MEANS OF GRACE. 10 and works preparatory and preliminary to believing, and this as a matter of duty, — are, by the word of God our only instructor and authority in such matters, decidedly and thoroughly condemned. Because sometimes the self-right- eous exercises of a human being terminate, by the divine good pleasure, in his having revealed to him what he was previously neither thinhing of nor seeking after, the righteousness of Jehovah himself, — therefore the writers in question would have the same revelation to take place always ! Because the goodness of the Creator prevents the self-righteous exercises of the creature in certain cases from having their natural result, — they would, forsooth ! absurdly and blasphemously make that which is purely the effect of divine sovereignty, to be a rule for the crea- ture to follow ! What is a mere accident, they would fain represent as the essence of salvation ! — Nay, what is worse, because God does, in such cases, bring good out of evil, they would have the creature to do evil that good might come ! Instead of pointing simply to the work of Christ, as that through which alone salvation flows freely to the guilty, and as that by which all creature efforts and strivings for salvation are completely superseded, — tliey prescribe to their deluded votaries a course of self-right- eous exercises to be performed by them, as indispensable to their obtaining an interest in that blessed work : and thus under the guise of fleshly piety, and in a form some- times more sometimes less refined, setting up creature righteousness in place of and in opposition to the revealed righteousness of Jesus the Creator, they do what in them lies to lead their fellow men, especially the serious portion of them, by what Sandeman fitly denominates, " a devout path to hell." B. Your language is too harsh, David. T. Not more so than scripture warrants, and the ne- cessity of the case demands, my dear brother. All that 20 ELECTION AND is flesh, and all that proceeds from flesh, (as every notion, implying the slightest activity of the creature mind in the matter of salvation, is,) stand condemned by God. B. Salvation, then, is the result of no previous wish or desire, of a spiritual kind, on the part of the creature. T. Of none whatever. For His not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, hut of God that sheweth mercy. Rom. ix. 16. B. What do you make of those strong wishes, those intense desires, to be saved, which are so often experienced by persons confessedly ignorant of the gospel ? T. They are evidently wishes and desires, on the part of those who cherish them, to find in themselves some good thing, or to be able to perform some good action, whereby they may recommend themselves to God, and acquire a title to salvation. Good master, what good thing shall I do, that I may inherit eternal life? or, what shall I do to he saved? denotes the import, and is generally the lan- guage, of this state of mind. But a desire to be saved on the ground of some good thing found in or done by our- selves, is totally different from understanding the salvation of the gospel: a privilege which is conferred of free and sovereign grace j and of which the persons spoken of are, by the terms of your question, destitute. They want to ac- quire a right to be saved: whereas faith, or a spiritual view of the subject, is the passive acquiescence of the mind in salvation as a blessing yreeZy, that is, undeservedly, be- stowed. Salvation to persons ignorant of the truth, and salvation to persons who know it, thus presenting two to- tally distinct aspects, it is absolutely impossible for those who are ignorant of the gospel to desire salvation in the scriptural sense of the term. Indeed, it is impossible for any man either as unbeliever, or as believer, to desire this salvation. As an unbeliever, the salvation which he de- sires is one founded in whole, or in part, on his own merits. THE MEANS OF GRACE. 21 As a believer, he desires not salvation at all ; for he finds himself already in posession of it. This is the recordy that God HATH GIVEN io US eternal life ; and this life is in his So7i. 1 John V. 11. When to any one, for the first time, there is revealed the gospel, there is revealed to him the fact of his being already saved ; and this independently and irrespectively of all desires, doings, and merits, of his own : a fact of which he had not previously the remotest conception, and his knowledge of which, instead of indi- cating the progress, is itself the very commencement, of spiritual principle. B. What then, pray, are the means of grace and sal- vation to the creature ? For, that there exist such means, you have, if I mistake not, already admitted. T. I know no other means of grace besides the gospel itself. B. The gospel itself! Why, all our religious folks say the same thing. T. So they do. But to the word gospel the great majority of them attach a meaning essentially different from that which the Holy Ghost himself hath annexed to it in scripture. Their gospel is information that the crea- ture may, if he please, save himself. They pretend to comfort sincere and pious enquirers, perverted phrases ! with the prospect, that they may attain to life everlasting in the event of their bestowing upon themselves faith, or of their performing some other act to accomplish which belongs exclusively to the Creator. B. What is the gospel ? T. Glad tidings. B. Of what? T. Of God's being, not of his becoming, love : and this as manifested, or made known to me, in the light of Christ's divine righteousness, being my righteousness ; and of Christ's divine life, being my life. God is love : and 22 ELECTION AND in this was manifested the love of' God towards uj, because that God sent his only begotten son into the world, that we might live through him. 1 Jolin iv. 8. 9. B. To whom is this manifestation glad tidings ? T. To myself, and to all those to whom it is so. It is glad tidings, to those to whom it is glad tidings. B. Do not mock me, my dear brother. You evade my question. Yv^hat I want to he informed of is: how is it that the proclamation of Jesus of Nazareth having been the anointed one promised and sent to the Jewish people — of his having taken away sin by his atoning sacrifice, and brought in everlasting righteousness by his resurrec- tion from the dead — and of his being he through whom eternal life flows freely to the guilty — I say, how is it that this proclamation, — for command you will not allow it to be, — becomes glad tidings to any one ? — Now do answer me fairly and honestly. T. I have answered your previous questions as fairly and honestly as the circumstances of the case would admit of, Robert. And if you have failed to perceive that I have done so, I must ever remember that divine truth is a sub- ject which God, not man, is competent to teach. — Never- theless with a view to oblige you, as well as to discharge my own conscience, I will try if, by varying my language and more fully developing the subject, I can, by the di- vine blessing, render myself more intelligible. The gospel, or glad tidings of salvation freely bestowed through Christ Jesus, is read of and heard by thousands who understand it not. And this, for the two following among other reasons : — First. From the total inability of tlie mere fleshly or Adamic mind to comprehend it. To a man who is pos- sessed of no higher principles than those which lie derives from his natural parents, the gospel always and necessarily appears in the light of a command urging him to do some- TOE i\il:ans of grace. 23 tiling, or to possess sometliing, before he can attain to an interest in the great salvation. Taking this view of the matter — and, in his natural state, ro other is he qualified 'to take — of course the death of Christ alone speaks no peace, communicates no joy, to him. The gospel, or glad tidings of tlie work which Jesus finished on Calvary, is no gospel in his apprehension of things. What he himself must do to be saved, is the question to obtain an answer to whicli tlie wliole bent of his mind is directed. And an answer which imports that he himself must do or feel something in order to salvation, is the only notion of gos- pel which, v/hile in a natural state, lie has or can have. But, in the second place, the grand and fundamental reason why by far the greater part of those who hear the gospel never understand it is, that it is not God's intention for them to do so. While he will have mercy, upon whom lie will have mercy j whom he will he liardeneth. To the bulk of mankind God's declarations concerning Christ, and the work which he hath accomplished, not being, addressed, convey no real and scriptural, and consequently no joyful, meaning. They hear not the joyful sound. — But while to such persons it is not given to know the mys- teries of the kingdom of God, to some 27 is given to do so. All that happens in the case of the latter is that the gos- pel becomes, by divine power and in virtue of the divine purpose, gospel or glad tidings to them. The eyes of their understandings are opened by God himself, without any assistance derived from themselves, nay in opposition to all their previous views and tendencies; and tliey are thus enabled to comprehend what to them formerly was dark and mysterious. Having had ears given to them, they hear. God, they find to their great surprise as well as delight, is addressingthem, or becomingthe witness to their conciences. And this, by revealing to them his own character; or by making them acquainted with what he himself is in the 24 ELECTION AND light of the nature, offices, and work of his well beloved Son. For it is by giving them to see the Son, that he gives them likewise to see himself the Father. — This is not, however, to bestow on them the knowledge of a mere ab- stract proposition. God, in causing them to know Jesus, causes them to know him as one with themselves, and themselves as one with him; — and to know that, in virtue of this inseparable union subsisting between him and them, they possess in him righteousness and life everlasting. They discover it to be the import of the divine record or testimony, that God hath given to them eternal life; and that this life is in his Son. 1 John v. 11 . In the light of this fact they are enabled to discover, upon divine au- thority, that they are condemned and dead in the first, fleshly, and creature Adam; and that the previous con- demnation and death were indispensably necessary, and have been rendered subservient, to the justification and life of which they now partake with their heavenly and uncreated Head. God thus appears to them as love, in having taken away from them, through the transgression of Adam, a paltry and creature life; that he might, through the righteousness of his own dear Son, make them to enjoy with himself life everlasting. That is, the divine testi- mony, as glad tidings, does not barely speak peace to them, by shewing them, that they have pardon of sin and ac- ceptance with God through Christ Jesus : but it does more; for it inspires them with joy that is unspeakable andfidl of glory by shewing them, that they derive through the second Adam privileges infinitely more glorious than those which they forfeited in the first. B. In one word — T. The gospel becomes gospel or glad tidings to any one, in consequence of God giving the favoured individual, at one and the same moment, to apprehend both its truth and his own personal interest in it. When God con- THE MEANS OF GRACE. 25 descends, through the medium of his testimony concerning the Lord Jesus, to speak to the conscience of any one, at that moment the individual knows that he himself is by God spoken to. B. And the single unsupported testimony of Jehovah, concerning the work of Christ, accomplishes all this ? T. Yes. Rather, Jehovah himself accomplishes all this, by carrying his testimony concerning Christ Jesus and the work which was finished on Calvary, with al- mighty and irresistible power, home to the conscience. B. By what means ? T. Merely by causing the person to whom he bears testimony, to see it to be true; and true, not on the ground of external evidence, but in the light of the pure, spiritual, and divine evidence, which is contained in, and beams forth from, itself. In faith there is nothing more — and there is nothing less. B. If I have caught your meaning, David, every per- son to whom the divine testimony concerning Christ Jesus is rendered effectual by God himself, knows that he hath been enlightened from above. T. And why not? Can that be gospel or glad tidings, which is not gospel or glad tidings to the individual him- self ? Can that salvation inspire me with joy that is un- speakable and full of glory, in which I do not know myself to have a personal interest ? When light, whether physical or mental, is shining, can I, if in the one case the eyes of my body or in the other the eyes of my un- derstanding be open, remain unconscious of the fact ? Whatsoever doth make manifest is light : Eph. v. 13: and if the divine testimony as light cannot, when it shines into the mind, manifest itself, what else, pray, is it fitted to make manifest or throw light on ? — Besides, Robert, con- sider, that if the religion of the living and true God can leave any species or degree of uncertainty, as to his future D 26 ELECTION AND and everlasting well-being, in the breast of him by whom it has been believed in, it can neither be essentially differ- ent from, nor possess any real superiority over, the various religions of Paganism. These religions affected to hold out to their votaries the prospect of the probable enjoyment of an Elysium hereafter. A probability, greater or less, that we may be happy hereafter, is the sum and substance of the hope imparted by Christianity, if we are to trust to our spiritual guides. Thus, in that most essential feature of representing the hope of future hapjuness to be merely probable and conditional, do the religions of heathen antiquity, and what is commonly supposed to be the re- ligion of Christ Jesus, completely agree. And why, if this were true, should I prefer the one to the other ? — Do you happen to remember the sneering remark of Lord Byron, in reference to this very subject, which appears in one of his published journals, and which has been selected by me as the motto of the fourth chapter of my work on the "Assurance of Faith" : — "According to the Christian Dispensation," that is, according to the views of it which had been presented to his Lordship, "no man can know whether he is sure of salvation — even the most righteous — since a single slip of faith may throw him on his back, like a skaiter, while gliding smoothly to his paradise. Now, therefore, whatever the certainty of faith in the facts may be, the certainty of the individual as to his happiness or misery, is no greater than it was under Jupiter." And Lord Byron was right, in so far as what passes by the name oi faith in Christianity is concerned. But he spoke as he did, because he was not himself personally a partaker oixhdii faith which is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Heb. xi. 1. — Faith, Robert, IS the result of God himself speaking, and bearing witness, to the conscience. And wherever it has a place, we ex- perience what the talented peer whose words I have just THE MEANS OF GRACE. ^ quoted never did, and what thousands of those who pro- fess to be christians never do, that if we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater : 1 John v. 9 : that is, that if mere human testimony with regard to natural things has been productive, in innumerable cases, in our minds of something like absolute certainty ; the testimony of God with regard to life everlasting, as freely bestowed upon us through the Son of his love, has, by his own di- vine and spiritual illumination, been productive in our minds of absolute certainty itself. B. Supposing what you assert to be true, the scriptures cannot be a revelation to all. T. "What ! Are you merely, for the first time, begin- ning to entertain a suspicion of this fact ? — The scriptures never were, and''never were intended to be, a revelation to all. They are a revelation to the members of the church of the living God only. The words that I speak unto you, says Christ addressing his disciples, they are spirit, and they are life. John vi. 63. Extraordinary, indeed per- fectly unaccountable, would it be, did we not know the total ignorance of divine things under which the fleshly mind of man labours, that down to the present day the vast majority of those who profess to be Christians should never have even suspected the limitation of the scriptures to the election of God alone. And yet the book itself abounds witli intimations to this effect. He that halh cars to hear, LET HIM HEAR, says the Lord Jesus, in Mark iv. 9. And, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours j 1 Corinth, i. 2; as also, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us, through the righteousness of God, and our Saviour Jesus Christ ; 2 Peter i. 1 ; are specimens of the language employed by the inspired apostles in addressing their epis- tles. Can words more strictly confine to his believing 28 ELECTION AND family, that revelation of himself which through the me- dium of the scriptures God hath heeu pleased to vouch- safe, than those to which I now call your attention ? B. My dear fellow, to recur to the subject from which my last observation diverted you, if your views be well founded, all I have to say is, that very few indeed can be believers of the gospel. Few, if any, of our most eminent Christians will venture to declare, that they know them- selves to be personally interested in tlie work of Christ Jesus. And none that are modest and circumspect would venture to do so, until after having been able to discover in themselves unequivocal marks and evidences of their being in a regenerate state. T. Strange to tell ! Robert, in what you now observe, you are, without intending it, pronouncing a most decided scriptural eulogium upon my sentiments, and an equally decided scriptural condemnation of those which are com- monly held and professed. — Christ hath positively declared that his people are "few" in number, and ''a little flock." The apostles, especially the apostle Paul, have frequently dwelt on, and still more frequently alluded to, the smallness of the number of those who are the children of faith. It is only "a remnant that shall be saved," says Paul, quoting from Isaiah, in Romans, ix. 27 : and, pursuing his quota- tions from the same prophet, he adds, " Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha." Verse 29. Indeed, even independently of express information afforded us to this effect, the smallness of the number of those by whom the gospel is believed in might have been fairly enough argued from the circumstance of faith being denominated precious:* that which is common, not deserving the epithet. As to your remark about the inability of those who are commonly regarded as eminent Christians, to speak with ♦ 1 refer ii. 7, THE MEANS OF GRACE. 29 certainty of their own personal interest in salvation, you are perfectly correct. And surprising, indeed, would it be were the state of matters otherwise. Modestly and circum- spectly waiting, as such persons do, until they shall liave discovered in themselves some good quality, upon the strength of which they may fancy themselves the especial favourites of the Most Higli, they either, like the stupid countryman, in the fable alluded to by Horace, find that the current of evil in themselves streams on for ever ; Labitur et labetur in omne Tolubilis tevum ; leaving them, till the end of their days, in the same state of expectancy and incessant disappointment: or, contriv- ing to delude themselves with the idea that they have performed the requisite condition, or have discovered in themselves the long-sought-for excellence, they sink into a state of religious lethargy, and go down to the grave with a lie in their right hands. — To very few, indeed — the tenth, or teil tree, spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, vi. 13. — it is given from above to see, that they possess in the righteous- ness of Jesus of Nazareth itself, made known to them by the scriptures and theirs in consequence of their oneness with the performer of it, a righteousness which as divine has swallowed up all their creature guilt and depravity ; and thus (qw indeed are there to whom is necessarily im- parted the absolute certainty of life everlasting. B. David, David, how severe you are; and how restricted in your notions of what constitutes genuine Christianity ! T. Say, rather, my dearest brother, how consistent with scripture, and with that very system of Calvin which is so dreadfully misrepresented — so vilely caricatured — by numbers of its professed adherents. If, with all Cal- vinists, 1 hold it to have been God himself tvho elected his people before time began; I do not, in the very same breath, with some, shall I not rather say the majority of them, re- 30 ELECTION AND present it — strange inconsistency ! — to be his people who elect themselvesin time. No. liofGod are all ihln(js, through him are all things likewise. Rom. xi. 36. If he foreknew and predestinated his people, he also calls them. Ibid. viii. 29, 30. If it was he who made choice of them in his Son, it is he who carries that gracious choice into effect. Their being brought to the knowledge of the truth, is merely the rendering of their election effectual.' — Thus, in my appre- hension, all is of God. As the election is of him, so is the calling likewise. It is not that a part of salvation belongs to the Creator, and a part to the creature ; but tliat the whole appertains to the Creator alone. — And as God calls his elect, so are they, when called by him, made to hear him. They were previously dead in trespasses and sins : but in consequence of God's calling them, they become spiritually alive. Such persons do not, like numbers who would fain pass for Christians and Calvinists, remain du- bious as to the voice of God having penetrated to their consciences, and as to the truth of God having enlightened their understandings. So far from this, his people, al- though previously dead, having heard the voice of the Sou of God, live ; John v. 25 ; and know that they are alive. Rom. viii. 15, 16. 2 Corinth, v. 1 — 5. We know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding that we may know him that is true, 1 John v. 20, is at once the apostle's language and their own. The un- changeable character of Jehovah as love having been opened up to their minds, in the light of the person and work of his well-beloved Son, they are all children of the light and €f the day — know that they are so, in consequence of the thick darkness by which the were formerly sur- rounded having passed away — and walking and rejoicing in the light of faith here, they all in due time attain to, and are satisfied with, the light of glory hereafter. B. In the matter of salvation, then, the creature is entirely a passive recipient. THE MEANS OF GRACE. 31 T. He is so, most assuredly. Were it otherwise, the glory of salvation would be shared by the creature with the Creator. According to the gospel scheme, the whole glory of salvation redounds, as it should do, to the Creator alone. Of him, and through him, and to him, are all things : to whom he glory for ever. Rom. xi. 36. — But come, Robert : do you now comprehend what my senti- ments are, better than you did when we first entered on this conversation ? B. I think I do. " The elect," according to you, "are comparatively few in number — were chosen by God in Christ before the world began — can receive no augmenta- tion — lire in due time called by God himself — and are brought to the knowledge of the truth, not in consequence of any efforts or preparations to believe it made by them- selves, but in spite of their natural, necessary, and increas- ing, hostility to it. Means of grace and salvation are such as used by God, not by them. For it is he who takes care to place them in the circumstances in whicli they hear the gospel ; as well as he who, by his own al- mighty and sovereign power, renders the gospel beard by them effectual. And the gospel is not a command to the creature to believe or to do any thing else ; but is a pro- clamation, rendered effectual to the elect, of what God is, manifested in the light and through the medium of what God in Christ hath done." — So far well. Still, liowever, I wonder how you contrive to reconcile all this with univer- sal salvation ! How, holding such views, you can suppose both the elect, and the non-elect, to inherit the kingdom of God! T. Stop, Robert. You have never heard me either say, or insinuate, that the non-elect shall enter into God's kingdom. B. Have I not ? Then I beg your pardon for my precipitancy. 32 ELECTION AND T. So far from holding the notion which you have just now imputed to me^ of all entering into the heavenly kiugdom, on the contrary, I believe upon divine authority, that except a man he horn again, he cannot see the Mngdom of God. John iii. 3. Now as the elect alone are born again, the elect alone do, or can, in my apprehension, see that kingdom. B. This is to me "'confusion worse confounded." I cannot comprehend you at all — You say, that the whole human race shall be saved. At all events, to give you the benefit of your own distinction, ihat even the unre- generate or non-elect portion of them shall be saved in a certain sense. Do you not ? T. Well. I admit that I do. B. If so — if all are to be saved — how can that happen, except in consequence of all being introduced, at one pe- riod or another, into the heavenly kingdom ? T. What if the salvation of the unregenerate, such as it is, should be connected with the termination of the king- dom of Christ Jesus as mediator? What if kins^dom should signify kingly power? B. Explain yourself. T. If Christ's kingdom shall terminate, as scripture assures us it shall do, in the ultimate subjugation or sal- vation of the unregenerate, then it is plain that they cannot enter into that which, at the very moment of their subjugation, comes to an end. And if kingdom means kingly power, as from numerous passages of scripture it may be easily proved in many cases to do, then it is also plain that, although exercised by the elect as reigning with their Head, it can never be exercised by those who, so far from reigning, are reigned over. B. O ! I apprehend you ! You make the salvation of the elect to consist in their being brought into the kingdom of God, and in their being thereby privileged to reign as THE MEANS OF GRACE. 33 kings with Christ : Avliereas, in your conception of matters, the non-elect never reign, but are the subjects of the reign of Christ and his people. T. You have caught and expressed my meaning very accurately, Robert. B. But will scripture bear you out in all this ? I much doubt it. — With your permission, I would hear more of this subject. It deeply interests me. T. As I have an engagement at this hour, we must in the mean time break off. But, if you have no objections, we may resume our conversation to-morrow. B. With all my heart. END OF THE riRST DIALOGUE. DIALOGUE SECOND. SUBJECT : JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. SPEAKERS :— AUTHOR. BROTHER. B. Since parting with you yesterday, I have been thinking over the subject-matter of our, to me, very in- teresting conversation. The result of my reflections I may state to you has been, that many difficulties, insuper- able difficulties, appear to me to stand in the way of the reception of your theory. Among others, the express de- claration of the inspired writer, in the second chapter of the Epistle to the Hebrews, verse 14th : Of the seed of Abraham he, Jesus, taketh hold. I translate the passage according to the marginal reading, in order to anticipate and satisfy any objections which you miglit make, and make reasonably enough, to the supplementary words which are inserted in the authorised version. — Now, my dear brother, how do you reconcile this statement of the apostle, which necessarily excludes all except Abraham's spiritual descendants from an interest in the blessings of salvation, with the notions of Universalists ? JESUS THE SON OF ADAM ETC. 35 T. Do you happen to remember the words of the apos- tle Paul, which occur at the end of the third chapter of his Epistle to the Galatians ? B. I do. If ye he Chrisfs, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. T. Very accurately quoted. Well ; is it not plain, from this declaration, that any human being, by becoming a spiritual descendant of Christ, becomes thereby ipso facto, according to the apostolic reasoning, a descendant of Abraham likewise ? B. Certainly. But, then, it is only believers of the truth who, as Christ's spiritual descendants, do, or can, be- come, through him as the channel, spiritual descendants of Abraham. T. That is to beg the question, Robert. Undoubtedly if none but believers of the truth could become Christ's descendants, none but believers of the truth could spirit- ually become Abraham's seed. But what, if the whole human race can be shewn, in one way or another, and at one period or another, to have a spiritual descent from Christ? — Would not the establishment of this fact, establish at the same time the descent of the whole human race, through Christ, from Abraham ? B. Unquestionably. T. This very fact is what I am prepared from scripture to prove. Believers are in one and a peculiar sense — the rest of the family of man are in another and a general sense — connected with, and descended from, Christ. And thus are both classes of human beings connected with, and descended from, Abraham. B. Indeed ! T. It is true, nevertheless, however much you may be startled at the assertion. — But before proceeding to the proof of it, answer me this question : — Upon what authority do you and I know the truth of what is contained in the scriptures ? 36 JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS B. Upon tliat of their divine testifier alone. For, I am satisfied, tliat it is only a divine witness who is com- petent to prove divine truth. — It heiug impossible for God to receive testimony from man, that is, for the declarations of the superior to be proved or corroborated by the inferior ; all that is divinely true must, from the very necessity of the case, be of the nature of light, that is, must be self- evident to the mind into which it has been introduced. To say that God himself becomes the witness to the con- science of a believer, and that divine truth shines in a believer's conscience by its own light, must be synonymous modes of expression. T. Admirably conceived and expressed, my dear Robert. — Then, upon the principle stated by you, when faith comes to have a place in our minds, we believe in the existence of the persons spoken of in the scriptures, and in the truth of the facts therein narrated, not on the ground of our knowing any thing about them otherwise, but solely on the ground of the revelation concerning them which God hath vouchsafed to us. B. This, of course, is implied in my position. T. To proceed. — We know of the existence of Adam and Abraham, and of the relationsliip in which they stand to their respective posterities, solely upon the authority of the information with which we are furnished by the holy scriptures. B. This is granted. T. According to these scriptures, Adam is the head, source, or progenitor, of the whole human family. B. Yes. For God haih made o/his one blood, all na- tions of men, for to dwell on the face of the earth. Acts xvii. 26. T. And from the same scriptures we learn, that Abraham is the ancestor of the Jews, a portion of the hu- man family. B. True. WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 37 T. Now, Robert, to come somewhat nearer to the point at which I am aiming. You admit that our blessed Lord was, according to the flesh, Abraham's descendant ? B. Certainly 1 do. — Go on. T. And that he was also Adam's descendant ? B. As Abraham's descendant, he was of necessity also Adam's descendant. — Who denies all this ? T. No man professing any regard whatever to the sacred volume will deny this. But many are found to deny the obvious and necessary inferences to which it leads. — As Abraham's descendant, had not the Lord' Jesus a natural fleshly connection with the whole nation of the Jews ? Were not all the members of the Israelitish com- munity his kinsmen according to the flesh ? B. Most assuredly they were. T. And as the descendant of Adam, must not Jesus have had a natural and fleshly connection, — more remote, I confess, than that which he had with the Jews, — still a natural and fleshly connection, with the rest of the human race? — In other words, as you seem to hesitate about return- ing an answer, must not Jesus, as Adam's descendant, have been connected with all the rest of Adam's descendants ? B. Stop. Let me think. — The idea which you have just suggested is perfectly new to me. — I cannot deny that Jesus must have borne some sort of relationship to all mankind. He was a partaker of flesh and blood. That is, of the nature of Adam. That is, of the nature which is common to every human being. — Well : your demand is reasonable. I do allow, at the risque of whatever conse- quences may follow from the admission, that as the Lord Jesus stood in a near fleshly relationship to Abraham's natural descendants, so he had also a remoter fleshly con- nection with the rest of the human race. T. Do not be afraid of my drawing any improper in- ferences from your concessions. I am content, for the 38 JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS present, to do little more than echo your own words, and say : — Jesus, as Abraham's descendant, bore a close fleshly relationship to the Jews ; and, as Adam's descendant, bore a remote fleshly relationship to the rest of the human race. The fact of a fleshly connectiou having been admitted by you to subsist between Jesus and every human being is enough for my present purpose. B. But you aim at deducing a conclusion favourable to your own system from all this. T. Most assuredly I do so. But it is such a conclu- sion as, from the candour which you exhibit — a quality rarely to be met with in religious polemics, — I am not without hopes of carrying you along with me in. — Mark the point of our mutual agreement. It is that, whether nearer or more r-emote, the connection subsisting between Jesus on the one hand and Jews and Gentiles on tlie other, of which we now speak, is but a fleshly one. B. Here we are agreed. T. But there is likewise a spiritual relationship sub- sisting between Jesus and human beings. — Is there not ? B. Between Jesus and certain human beings. You know that the subject-matter in dispute between us is, as to whether this spiritual relationship be confined to a {ew, or extend to all. T. Well. There is, however, such a thing as a spiritual^ as distinguished from a natural or JiesJily relationship. B. There is. T. Now answer me, — and answer me with the same delightful fairness which you have all along exhibited, — does the spiritual relationship, the existence of which you admit, proceed upon the same principles upon Avliich the natural one does ? B. Propose your question in some other form. T. I will. Is it upon the principle of fleshly descent that God confers a spiritual relationship? Or, is it upon some other principle? V/ELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 39 B. Upon a totally clifFereut principle, to be sure. The enjoyment of the privileges of the earthly Canaan, was connected with ajteshly descent from Abraham. Whereas spiritual privileges are bestowed of pure, free, sovereign, grace. Those who are the recipients of them are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John i. 13. T. So far, good. You admit, then, that it is not the descendants of Abraham according to the flesh, hwi certain individuals chosen by God from among Jews and Gen- tiles, who become partakers of spiritual privileges througli Christ Jesus ? B. I do. T. And do you remember any particular appellation given to the persons thus privileged, in the New Testament Scriptures? — To express myself in a somewhat different manner: Are such persons represented as being really and substantially, what another class of persons were only figuratively ? B. I understand you. — The persons upon whom the principle of faith in Christ Jesus is conferred, are spoken of and treated as the true Israel of God. They constitute the real, as contra-distinguished from the typical, Jews. And this, because he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly ; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh : but he is a Jew wjiich is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God. Rom. ii. 28, 29. Well, now that I have admitted believers in Christ Jesus to constitute the true Jews — the spiritual Israel — what then ? T. Why, to call your attention to the manner in which the members of the spiritual Israel are brouglit to the en- joyment of their special divine privileges. Have you ever considered that that manner is twofold ? 40 JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS B. I have not. Indeed, I am not sure that I com- prehend your meaning. T You shall not remain long at a loss with regard to it. — Was not Jesus the descendant of Abraham according to the flesh ? B. He was. T. Then Jesus, as having been Abraham's j^esA/y de- scendant, must, by making believers of the truth or the spiritual Israel his own descendants, impart to them, in some sort, a fleshly connection with Abraham likewise. They are Clnist's seed; Christ was Abraham's fleshly seed : therefore, in becoming Christ's seed, they are seen to acquire, through him, a kind of fleshly connection with Abraham himself. — You remember the passage which you have already quoted: If ye he Christ's, then are ye Abrahams seed. Gal. iii. 29. Thus you perceive that believers inherit their spiritual privileges, not independ- ently of, but in connection with, a species of fleshly relationship which, through Christ, they bear to Abraham himself. They are not themselves Abraham's fleshly de- scendants; but they are descended from him who was Abraham's fleshly descendant. B. So I perceive. T. Thus, then, the first way in which believers of the truth become partakers of their spiritual privileges, is act- ually through the medium of 2i fleshly relationship subsist- ing between them and Abraham. They are the seed of him, who was himself of the number of Abraham's j^es/^^y seed. — But it is not in this way alone, or principally, that their spiritual privileges redound to them. For they do not inherit them merely on the ground of their being, in a certain sense, Abraham's fleshly seed. B. By no means. Abraham's fleshly seed, properly speaking, they are not. That seed still exists, and, from spiritual privileges, are utterly and for ever excluded. A WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 41 gulph is interposed between them and salvation which, by them as Jews, never can be passed over. Luke xvi. 26. Believers, or the spiritual Israel, I acknowledge, taught by the hint which you have just given me, attain to the heavenly inheritance through him who was Abraham's fleshly descendant ; and yet they attain not to it as them- selves fleshly descendants of Abraham, but as having been begotten again of incorruptible seed, even by the word of God, Christ Jesus, which livelh and abideth for ever. 1 Peter i. 23. T. I observe that you apprehend completely my mean- ing as to the twofold manner in which believers become the spiritual Israel : first, as descended from Jesus, who was himself Abraham's fleshly seed; and, secondly, as descended from Jesus by a spiritual, not by a natural or fleshly, generation. — Having observed and admitted this double connection wliicli believers have with Abraham, a fleshly and a spiritual one ; and this double medium through which they inherit their peculiar and glorious pri- vileges ; have -you no suspicion of the consequences to which the fact conducts us ? B. None whatever : if, by the consequences to which you allude, you mean consequences favourable to the theory of Universalists. T. Have you not expressed yourself satisfied, that the Lord Jesus had a fleshly connection with the Gentile por- tion of the family of man, as well as with the Jewish por- tion of it ? The connection in the latter case althougli more close, not excluding that in the former case although more remote ? B. I certainly have. T. Have you not also been satisfied, that the blessings which are conferred through Christ Jesus are spiritual -, the persons who are the recipients of them being the true Israel, that is, the anti-types of Abraham's fleshly desceii dants ? F 42 JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS B. Unquestionably, I have stated my conviction to this effect. T. And yet, that these spiritual blessings come to be- lievers, not independently of the Messiah's fleshly connec- tion with Abialiam, but actually in virtue and through the medium of that very fleshly connection ? B. All this I have admitted, and still admit. T. Having made these different admissions, does it not occur to you that, in forming a connection with flesh, Jesus formed a connection with a nature common to every human being ; and that, if his connection with flesh is one of the media through which he is enabled to convey spirit- ual blessings to a few, the same connection with flesh, as a connection with all, evidently opens up a channel through which he may convey spiritual blessings to all ? B. In a matter of such importance as this, you must not urge me to an immediate answer. I must take time to deliberate. T. Perhaps a little variety in the way of presenting the subject may assist you in your deliberations. If Christ's fleshly connection with Abraham, so far from obstructing, actually leads to and necessarily results in the enjoyment of superior spiritual privileges by the few who are Abraham's spiritual descendants ; must not his fleshly connection with Adam, which, although more remote, is as certain and decided as his fleshly connection with Abraham, so far from obstructing, equally lead to and with equal necessity result in the enjoyment of inferior spiritual privileges by the unregenerate portion of the hu- man race ? Besides, if the Jews find their anti-type in believers as constituting the true Israel; where are the Gentiles to find their anti-type, except in the rest of the family of man ? A circumstance which leads me to the remark, that the close spiritual connection subsisting be- tween Jesus and the true Israel corresponding to, and WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 43 being the substance of, the close fleshly connection sub- sisting between him and the Jews ; it is impossible for us, except in a remoter spiritual connection subsisting between our Lord and unregenerate human beings, to find any thing corresponding to, and the substance of, the remoter fleshly connection subsisting hetween him and the Gentile world. Do you hesitate about receiving a truth so momentous on the foundation of mere reasonings? You are right. Well, then, listen to the way in which an inspired apostle lays down, as matters of fact, the propositions which I have just brought out in the shape of conclusions. The passage referred to is 1 Corinth, xv. 21 — 23. After stating the fundamental proposition of Christ's connection with all flesh in these words, since by man came death, hy man came also the resurrection of the dead ; the apostle shews both the general, and the particular, spiritual results of this fleshly connection, in what follows. Tlie general spi- ritual result; As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all he made alive: and the particular one; Bat every man in his own order; Christ the Jirst fruits, afterward, they that are Christ's at his coming. That is, although through Jesus, the second man, the Lord from heaven, some human beings only derive peculiar spiritual benefits ; yet likewise through him as the second man, and thereby as connected with all flesh, general spiritual benefits unquestionably redound to all. B. Is it the import of your argument that Jesus, in appearing in flesh, having taken hold of that which is common to every human being, must, therefore, have taken hold of it for a purpose common to every human being ? That is, that having taken hold of or connected himself with the nature of all, he must have done so for the pur- pose of effecting the salvation of all ? T. Not exactly. 44 JKSUS THE SON OF ADAM AS B. What then? T. The argument is, that close fleshly connection with Abraham's natural descendants, having implied close spiritual connection with Abraham's spiritual descendants; therefore, remoter fleshly connection with the Gentile world, must have implied remoter spiritual connection with the imregenerate portion of the family of man. My argument chiefly turns upon that grand scriptural fact, which you have more than once already admitted, that, as Jesus was the Son of Adam as well as the Son of Abraham, his connection with flesh is not confined to a connection with Abraham's fleshly descendants, but extends, although in a remoter degree, to a connection with all the descendants of Adam. And it also rests upon the scriptural fact, that what is fleshly is the shadow of what is spiritual and heavenly : Coloss. ii. 17 : Heb. ix. 9. 23. 24 : from which I infer, that a remoter fleshly connection must be the type, figure, or shadow, of a remoter spiritual connection ; just as a near fleshly connection on the part of Christ with the Jews is, by all enlightened believers of the truth, ac- knowledged to be the type, figure, or shadow, of a near spiritual connection on his part with the New Testament Israel. B. I undersland your argument at any rate. — But why did you object to adopting my statement of it ? Is it not in reality equivalent to your own ? T. Not exactly, as I have already remarked. For, although when it is stated that as Christ took a nature common to all, it must have been for a purpose common to all, a grand general truth is asserted — a truth of which I have availed myself elsewhere ;* yet the fact of all being saved, because all had a fleshly connection formed with them by Christ, is a truth different from that which I am now contending for, viz. that the close fleshly connection * In the second volume of my Assurance of Faith, chapter 6tk. WELL AS TRE SON OF ABRAHAM. 45 wliicli Christ contracted with some, pointed to a close spiritual connection to be contracted by him with some like- wise ; and thereby to salvation to be enjoyed by them in a higher sense than it is, or can be, enjoyed by the world in general. B. You forget that the salvation of any but believers, is the very point in question. T. I am very far from doing so, my dear brother. But I am not without hopes that this will not long remain a matter in dispute between us. B. There is a circumstance which, it strikes me, you overlook in all your reasonings on this subject, David; and that is : that Christ has a spiritual connection with his be- lieving people even here ; while his connection with tlie rest of the human race is, as you are well aware, at the best merely a fleshly one. If he had merely a fleshly connection in time with all, I could understand, and might admit, the possibility of a spiritual connection existing throughout eternity with all likewise. But it appears to me, that the fact of a spiritual connection subsisting in time between him and a few human beings, implies the conferring of ad\ antages hereafter on those few, in which it is impossible for the others, as destitute of the spiritual connection in time, to participate. T. So far from having overlooked the circumstance of which you speak, my dear Robert, it lies at the root of, and is pre-supposed in, all my scriptural reasonings. In this very circumstance, indeed, of the members of the Church having a spiritual connection with Christ in time, of which the rest of the human family are destitute, consists the nearness of the relationship in which the Church stands to Christ; and is there realized in anti-type that near fleshly connection which subsisted between Abraham's descendants and him. — But you cannot tell how delighted I am at your having proposed your objection in the tangible form tliat 46 JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS you have done. It will enable me to bring our controversj the more siDeedilv to an issue. I know that there subsists in time merely a fleshly con- nection between Christ and mankind in general. I know fartlier that, while they are in flesh, he gives to his people, and to his people alone, to possess, over and above that fleshly connection with him which they share in common with the world, a spiritual connection with him which is peculiar to themselves : so that, although as to their bodies and natural minds, they continue j'^es/*/?/ like others, yet as to their consciences they are spiritual, having had conferred on them by faith the earnest of the divine and heavenly nature of the Son of God. And, in virtue of this privi- lege, even now are they themselves the Sons of God. 1 John iii. 2. Rom. viii. 14 — 16. — Under these circum- stances, as possessing a spiritual as well as a fleshly con- nection with Christ while they are upon earth; and as thereby essentially distinguished from those who in time have merely a fleshly connection with the Lord Jesus; I readily with you draw the conclusion, that a fate must await believers hereafter perfectly difierent from that which awaits the unbelieving world. — This, however, is nothing more than what I have been all along maintaining. In this possession of the earnest of spirit here, and in the glorious privileges which stand connected with this here- after, consists the salvation of the church of the living God. Believers, and believers only, are connected with Jesus as the spiritual Abraham. They only are B. The spiritual Abraham ! What do you mean by employing such phraseology ? T. My dear Robert, are you ignorant of the fact that Jesus is the anti-type of Abraham ? — The real Abraham ? The true father of the faithful or believers ? — Has it never occurred to you, that he whom we call Abraham was merely a type or shadow of Jesus Christ, as Abraham in reality ? WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 47 B. Why — I can scarcely say that it has. T. Wheu you consider, that it is Jesus who begets again his believing people, not with corruptible seed, but with incorruptible, even the word of God which liveth and abideth for ever, you can scarcely fail to perceive that he is the true father of the faithful. He is thus seen to he the true Abraham. Abraham, as the ancestor of the fleshly Israel, having been merely the type of that spiritual Abraham who is the ancestor of the spiritual Israel. — But this is not all. Jesus, who according to the flesh was Abraham's Son, was according to the spirit Abraham's Lord. And this, because he was not merely the offspring, but also the root, of Abraham. He was the true Abraham, not only as the ancestor of the true Israel, but as, accord- ing to the spirit, the source, origin, and ancestor of Abraham himself. Hence his language. Before Abraham was, I am. John viii. 58. B. All this is to a certain degree new to me. But I cannot gainsay it. T. Well, then, it is as the true or spiritual Abraham that Jesus begets his chosen people, by bringing them to the knowledge of the truth. Begotten of him, they are, like him their spiritual ancestor, sufierers on the earth ; — strangers and pilgrims here, — seeking that city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker the Lord is. Heb. xi; 10. But as, in due time, the typical Abraham's natural descendants were brought into the earthly Canaan, so, in due time likewise, are all the anti-typical Abraham's spirit- ual descendants introduced into the heavenly Canaan, there to abide and reign with their exalted head for evermore. Rom. viii. 17; 2 Timothy ii. 12. — All this happens to them, not merely in consequence of their possesing a fleshly con- nection with Jesus ; for this they have in common with the rest of the world : but in consequence of their possessing over and above this, even while they are in flesh, a spiritual 4S JESUS THP SON OF ADAM AS connection with liim likewise. This spiritual connection necessarily involving in itself the rendering of their con- sciences; whicli originally were but fleshly like those of others, actually spiritual even in time ; and thereby giving to their originally fleshly minds, by their being made spi- ritual in time, a totally different fate from the fleshly minds of others which, so far from being made spiritually alive in time, actually perish. B. I fancy that I understand you. And yet, if so, you are merely broaching the ordinary Calvinistic theory : or something, at all events, extremely like it. You are re- presenting Jesus, as the true and spiritual Abraham, to be the head and ancestor of a true and spiritual Israel — they, like the fleshly Israel whose anti-type they are, being a body selected from the rest of the world ; and, like the fleshly Israel, enjoying privileges from all participation in which the rest of the human race are excluded. The spiritual Abraham having begotten his spiritual posterity in time by the word of the truth of his grace, you repre- sent him as elevating them hereafter to heaven, the true and spiritual Canaan, and the place of their blessed and everlasting abode. To this state of blessedness and glory, according to the view of matters taken by you, he does not elevate the rest of the human race. — Tell me, have I suc- ceeded in conveying your meaning ? For, let me assure you, that I am most anxious neither to misunderstand nor to misrepresent you. T. You have expressed my sentiments, so far as you have gone, with the utmost accuracy. B. Then what have we, all the while, been disputing about ? If Jesus, as the spiritual Abraham, save only the spiritual Israel, that is, save only a limited number of the human family, what becomes of universal salvation ? T. Is not Jesus the spiritual Adam, as well as the spiritual Abraham P WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 49 B. Let me reflect for a moment. T. I mean, is it not declared by the apostle Paul, in one passage, Rom. v. 14, that Adam was the figure of him that was lo come j and, in another passage, which appears as if it had been expressly intended for an interpretation of that which I have just quoted, is not Jesus denominated the last Adam P* B. Oh ! you need put yourself to no farther trouble in establishing this point. I admit distinctly that Jesus is the anti-type of Adam, or the spiritual Adam as you seem fond of designating him. Scripture is too full and express in its declarations to this effect, to leave me in any doubt respecting it. — What I wanted time for was, to re- flect on the inferences which you might deduce from my admission. T. Now, then, for one of these inferences. — Jesus, as the true or spiritual Adam, is the Saviour of the whole human race. B. What say you ? T. That Jesus, as the spiritual Adam, saves all. B. Explain yourself. — How do you bring out this conclusion ? T. The general principle is, that as the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, Rev. xix. 10 j and as all the persons and circumstances of the Old Testament scrip- tures are typical or emblematic of him and of his kingdom ; so there is always to be found a correspondency subsisting between some leading circumstance belonging to the type, and some leading circumstance belonging to Jesus the glorious anti-type. To take v.hat we are now speaking about as an example : — Abraham was the father of a lim- ited number of the human race, upon whom peculiar temporal privileges were bestowed; so Jesus, as the anti- type of Abraham, is the spiritual father of a limited num- * See 1 Corinth, xv. 45, and tlie context. G 50 JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS ber of the human race, upon whom peculiar spiritual pri- vileges are bestowed. Adam, again, was the father of and connected with the whole family of man, as their common natural ancestor; so Jesus, as the anti-type of Adam, is the father of and connected with the whole human race, as their common spiritual ancestor. — To adopt another mode of expressing myself: — Jesus, by being the spiritual Abraham, is the father of and conveys peculiar spiritual benefits to a few of manldnd ; whereas, by being the spiritual Adam, he is the father of and the source of spiritual benefits to every human being. Those who have not peculiar spiritual benefits through him as the spiritual Abraham, deriving general spiritual benefits through him as the spiritual Adam. B. Is not this an argument which you have employed and urged already ? T. Not quite the same as, although closely connected with, one formerly used by me, and leading to the same result. My former argument was, that Jesus, as the de- scendant of Abraham, being also the descendant of Adam, must have had not merely a close fleshly connection with Abraham's natural seed, but also a remoter fleshly connec- tion with the rest of the human race. My present argument is, that while, as the spiritual Abraham, Jesus is the spiritual father of, and saves after a high and peculiar fashion, a small portion of mankind, who constitute the spiritual Israel ; over and above this, as the spiritual Adam, he must be the spiritual father of all, and must, in that char- acter and capacity, be the source of a general spiritual salvation which is applicable to all. B. Can you adduce any particular passages of scrip- ture where Jesus is spoken of as the anti-type of Adam? and where all human beings are represented as having a general spiritual interest in him as such ? T. Most assuredly I can. As in Adam all die, even WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 61 SO in Christy that is, as the context evidently implies, in Christ as the spiritual or anti-typical Adam, shall all be made alive. 1 Corinth, xv. 22. And, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam 7vas made a quickening Spirit. V. 45. Besides, let me refer you, for full satisfaction in regard to this subject, to the argument which the Apostle Paul prosecutes from the 12th verse to the end of the 5th chapter of his Epistle to the Romans. There you will find that Adam, as the fleshly ancestor of all, stands contrasted with Jesus, as the anti-type of Adam and thereby as the spiritual ancestor of all : and that the efiects of the one sin of the former, as resulting to all hu- man beings in condemnation and death ; stand contrasted with the effects of the one righteousness of the latter, as resulting to all those in whose case sin and death had abounded, that is, to all human beings, in justification and life everlasting. B. But you know well the restriction of the word ally in the passages to which you have alluded, to all believers, which Calvinistic divines have agreed in making. T. Perfectly. — But, in the first place, preferring, as I wish to do always, a divine statement, to the assertions of mere men however eminent, I am satisfied to think with the apostle that as, by the offence of one, the fleshly Adam, judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so, by the righteousness of one, the Lord Jesus in his character and capacity as the spiritual Adam, the free gift came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life.* Rom. v. 18. And, in the second place, having discovered from sciipture, the only source of information in such matters, that there is a difference between the character of Jesus as the spiritual Abraham, and his character as the spiritual Adam, while I acknowledge that, in his former character, Jesus only • Some words are supplied which are not in the Greek; but the words all imen occur in the original in both parts of the antithesis. 52 JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS takes hold of and saves the true Abrahamic seed, tliose who are the holy brethren, and partakers of the heavenly calling, Heb. iii. 1; I am constrained, by the same divine evidence and authority which have extorted from me the confession just made, to rejoice in Jesus as likewise pos- sessed of the latter character, or that of the spiritual Adam, and as such the author of the resurrection from the dead of the whole human family. B. I readily admit, that even the unbelieving lise through Christ. His voice ultimately penetrates the re- gions of the tomb ; and his mighty power ultimately dis- possesses it of all its tenants. death ! I will he thy plague; O grave ! I will he thy destruction. This, taught by the apostle in the fifteenth chapter of first Corinthians, I am satisfied is the language of the Lord Jesus, and pro- claims a triumph in which all participate. T. Precious is the confession which you have just made, my dear brother. But it is completely and start- lingly at variance with other parts of your own theory. — By admitting that even the unbelieving dead are raised ultimately through Christ, you admit, first, " a connection to subsist between them and him;" and secondly, that "they are indebted for their everlasting existence, whatever it may be, to him." In reality, I maintain no more. This is the utmost extent of what I conceive to be implied in Christ's being the spiritual Adam, when considered with a reference to the unregenerate portion of the family of man. — Jesus, as Adam's descendant, has a fleshly connec- tioii^with all human beings; and as Adam's Lord, or rather as the spiritual Adam, bearing a general spiritual .relationship to all, all have such a general interest in his salvation, as ensures to them the benefit of participating in his resurrection. But Jesus, as Abraham's descendant, bore a peculiar fleshly relationship to some; and as Abraham's seed, or rather as the spiritual Abraham, WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHABI. 53 bearing a peculiar spiritual relationship to some, even while they are in flesh, they have such a peculiar interest in him^ as ensures to them present resurrection from the dead, and the present enjoyment of life everlasting. — So much then for the fact, that both of us perceive and admit such a connection to subsist between Jesus and all, as en- sures even to the unregenerate, resurrection from the dead and everlasting existence. But how do you propose to reconcile the existence of this connection between Christ and the unregenerate, with that other portion of your theory which represents Christ as raising persons thus connected with him from the dead for the purpose of in- flicting upon them never-ending torments? B. Concerning this, David, we shall talk on some other occasion. In the meanwhile, having laid it down as one of your leading positions, that it is as the spiritual Abraham that Jesus saves the elect or spiritual Israel, I want to know how it happens that, as the spiritual Abra- ham, he can have a connection wdth and save the rest of the human race ? You may remember that, at the outset of this conversation, you seemed to intimate the fact of Jesus, as Abraham's seed, saving all; and yet, in the pro- gress of it, you have limited the salvation of Jesus, as Abraham's seed and the spiritual Abraham, to compara- tively speaking a very few. Now, how do you reconcile your two statements? How do you make Jesus, as the spiritual Abraham, to save aferv and yet to save all? T. Very acutely objected, Robert. And yet the ans- wer is extremely easy. Jesus saves none, except the spiritual Israel, in his character and capacity as the spi- ritual Abraham. This I repeat in terms the most distinct and explicit. — But it is through his previously being the spiritual Abraham, that Jesus becomes the spiritual Adam and as such the Saviour of all. And thus»it is that, al- though not immediately yet mediately, although not in 54 JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS one sense yet in another, as the spiritual Abraham he saves alL — You may remember my having given you a hint to this effect ah'eady. B. "Through his being the spiritual Abraham, Jesus becomes the spiritual Adam!" Have the goodness to ex- plain yourself. T. Cheerfully, my dear brother. Through his being naturally Abraham's fleshly seed, we have satisfied our- selves that Jesus was also naturally Adam's fleshly seed. His being the fleshly descendant of the one, having neces- sarily implied his being also the fleshly descendant of the other, — Just so conversely. Jesus being the spiritual Abraham, and as such the father of the spiritual Israel ; implies his being also the spiritual Adam, and as such the father spiritually considered of the whole human race. As through his being Abraham's seed, he was also Adam's seed ; so through his being tlie spiritual Abraham, he is also the spiritual Adam. — To express myself somewhat differently: as Jesus could not naturally become Abraham's seed, without becoming also Adam's seed; so no more could he become spiritually the true Abraham, without becoming also spiritually the true Adam. A universality of spiritual connection, was as much and necessarily in- volved in the immediate restricted spiritual connection in the latter case ; as the universality of fleshly connection, was involved in the immediate restricted fleshly connection in the former case. B. Give me some proof of this. T. It may be proved scripturally in a variety of ways. First. By means of typical allusions. You cannot have forgotten the remarkable fact of the change of Abraham's name, the circumstances connected with which are related in the seventeenth chapter of Genesis. He was originally called Abram, that is, the high or exalted father : but subsequently he had conferred on him the name of Abraham, WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 55 ov father of tnuUitudes. Neither shall thy name any more be called Ahram, but thy name shall be Abraham ; for a father of many nations have I made thee. Verse 5th. Just so, Jesus who was exalted to God's right hand as the Prince and Saviour of his church, subsequently and ulti- mately appears as the Saviour of the whole human race. He changes from being manifested as saving the nation that is (jreatly blessed in him, to being manifested as he in whom all the families of the earth are blessed. B. Proceed. T. Secondly. Itmay be proved by implication. Thou hast put all things in subjection under his Jesus' feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left no- thing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But ne see Jesus, ivho was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour, that he, by the grace of God, should taste death for every man. Heb. ii. 8, 9. The words with which we have to do at present are : now we see not yet all things put under him. That is, although Jesus is destined to appear ultimately, agreeably to the scope of the whole passage and the psalm from which it is quoted, in his highest character as the spiritual Adam or Saviour of all, we see him now only in his inferior cha- racter as spiritual Abraham or Saviour of a iew. This inferior character, however, is paving the way for, and will ultimately run up into, the superior one. Having tasted death for every man, — through saving his church, the un- regenerate themselves shall ultimately appear put under his feet, or saved by being subdued by him. Thirdly. The grand truth for which I contend, of Jesus' character as the spiritual Adam being necessarily involved in his character as the spiritual Abraham, is also proved by facts. 1. Jesus, in his conception, took hold of flesh and blood, that is, took hold of a nature which is common to the Ob JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS wliole family of man. This he did for a purpose common to all, namely, that of converting the nature of flesh and blood into the nature of spirit,and thereby of subduing it to himself. That is, for the purpose of manifesting himself as the spi- ritual Adam. But as he accomplishes his purpose through the medium of conferring upon his chosen and beloved ones the earnest of spirit in time, and of thereby raising them to the enjoyment of the spiritual Canaan with him when time as to them shall be no more, that is, by appearing as the spiritual Abraham, it is obvious, that it is through his being first the spiritual Abraham, he subsequently becomes or rather is manifested subsequently to be the spiritual Adam. — Again, 2 : that Jesus' character as the spiritual Adam, is necessarily involved in his character as the spi- ritual Abraham, appears from the fact, that it is the same glorious being who is the one as well as the other. All the types, be it remembered, shadowed forth one and the same glorious anti-type. Unquestionably, Jesus is manifested as the spiritual Abraham first : a circumstance which neces- sarily implies that, except by previously appearing in that capacity, he could not subsequently have appeared in the other ; and that it is his character as the spiritual Abraham, which involves his character as the spiritual Adam, and not vice versa.* But as both these characters belong * I mean, as to the manner of development or to our apprehensions of things^ For, in reality, and when we go to the bottom of the matter, it is Jesus' character as the spiritual Adam or the all in all, that involves his character as the spiiitual Abraham, as well as his other characters whether real or representative, and not vice versa. The principle of tliis being, that the universal must always include the particular, not the particular, the universal. Still, I can speak with perfect accuracy as I have done in the text, both because it is the same being who is the spiritual Abraham and the spiritual Adam ; and because, to us creatures, it is through the development of the particular that the development of the universal tctkes place, or through being manifested as the spiritual Abraham that Jesus is manifested as the spiritual Adam : in other words, because, to us creatures, from the limitation of our minds and the adjustment of the divine procedure and revelations in conformity thereto, the particular, by appearing first and leading to the universal, appears to us to include within itself the universal. "Compare, in illustration of this, the 2nd chapter of the epistle to the Hebrews, from the 5th verse downwards, with the 8th Psalm throughout. WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 57 essentially to one and the same divine being, it is perfectly obvious, that the one could not have been possessed by him, without his possessing also the other; or that the one character is necessarily involved in that of the other. As he could not be Abraham's Son, without being also Adam's Son ; so neither could he be Abraham's Lord, or the spi- ritual Abraham, without being also Adam's Lord, or the spiritual Adam. B. You hold then, with ordinary Universalists, that such declarations of God to Abraham, as. In thee shall all families of the earth he blessed; Gen. xii. 3; and, In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth he blessed ; xxii. 18; refer to the ultimate salvation of the whole human race through him; or, which is the same thing, through Christ his seed? T. Most assuredly. For Jesus, Abraham's seed, by having had a fleshly connection with him, had a fleshly connection likewise with the whole human race ; and con- versely, the whole human race by becoming in one way or another, and at one period or another, Christ's seed, become thereby likewise Abraham's seed. At the same time, I hold this general principle of Universalists, of "a connection subsisting between Jesus, Abraham's seed, and the whole human race, and his salvation of the whole ac- cordingly," without allowing myself to forget, or lose sight of, any of the distinctions already laid down. It is through Jesus, as at once Abraham's seed and the spiritual Abra- ham, that the salvation, such as it is, of the unregenerate portion of the family of man is ensured : and this, because it is through his manifestation as the spiritual Abraham or the Saviour of the spiritual Israel, that he is ultimately manifested as the spiritual Adam or the subduer of all things to himself; and because he is the spiritual Adam or all in all, as well as the spiritual Abraham or head of the church. But it is not as the spiritual Abraham, or, to H 5S JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS speak more correctly, it is not while manifested as the spiritual Abraham, that Jesus saves all : for, while he appears as tlie spiritual Abraham, he is the Head and Saviour of the spiritual Israel or his believing people alone. B. I now understand you thoroughly. But I am struck with the appearance of a very curious inversion in your system as you propose it. If I have not mistaken you, your theory is, that through being the spiritual Abraham, Jesus becomes the spiritual Adam ; that is, he is the spi- ritual Abraham, before he is the spiritual Adam. But the fleshly Adam existed before the fleshly Abraham ! A fact which implies that the order of the spiritual pair is exactly the opposite of the order of the fleshly pair ! — Am I correct in my statement of this inversion ? T, Perfectly so. It is a very singular circumstance, and connected with a general scriptural principle, never hitherto noticed that I am aware of. To some remarkable applications of it, I intend calling the attention of my fellow believers, in a work which I am now preparing for the press. Yes. The natural Adam preceded the natural Abraham ; but the spiritual Abraham precedes the spiritual Adam. Adam was the progenitor of Abraham ; but it is as previ- ously the spiritual Abraham that Jesns produces, or rather manifests himself as, the spiritual Adam. — There is no way of eff'ecting a direct and immediate contact between the earthly Adam, and the spiritual Adam ; in other words, of bringing the two into a close and immediate approxim- ation : it being through the medium of the earthly Abra- ham's direct and immediate contact or connection with the spiritual Abraham, that a contact or connection is ulti- mately effected between the fleshly Adam and the spiritual Adam. That is, to express myself somewhat after a ma- thematical fashion, the two Abrahams constitute the two middle terms, and the two Adams, the two extremes : the WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 59 two extremes being brought into contact, not directly, but through the instrumentality and interposition of the two middle terms.* B. Can you contrive to throw these statements of yours into a different form ? T. With the utmost ease. Naturally, the universal goes before the particular ; spiritually, the particular goes before the universal. Naturally, the universal or whole family of man as descended from Adam, goes before the particular or the family of the Jews as descended from Abraham ; but spiritually, the particular or family of be- lievers as descended from Jesus the spiritual Abraham, goes before the universal or whole family of man made new as descended from Jesus the spiritual Adam. It was through being connected with the whole, that Jesus became connected with a part, naturally ; it is through his being connected with a pari, that he becomes con- nected with the ivhole, spiritually. The whole harvest of mankind is his naturally, of which he gave evidence by taking immediate possession of a part, as the first fruits : but it is by the waving of the first fruits, or immediate sal- vation of a part, that he ultimately shews himself to have taken complete possession of and saved the whole har- vest spiritually. Compare Leviticus xxiii. 9 — 21, with 1 Corinth, xv. 20 — 28, James i. 18, and Rev. xiv. 4. B. But although the manifestation of Jesus as the spiritual Abraham, precedes the manifestation of him as * The following may contribute to illustrate my meaning to the reflecting and spiritually intelligent reader : — Middle Terms. Extreme. ,. *■ , Extreme. Fleshly Adam. Fl. Abraham.— Sp. Abraham. Spiritual Adam. Again : — Fleshly Adam directly connected with Fleshly Abraham indirectly and mediately connected directly and immediately connected ■with with Spiritual Adam. directly connected with Spiritual Abraham 60 JESUS THE SON OF ADAM AS the spiritual Adam; and although thereby the spiritual particular appears to include the spiritual universal; your meaning must be, that it does so to our apprehensions merely. For in reality, in this case as in every other, the universal must include the particular, not the particu- lar the universal. In reality, it must be in consequence of Jesus being essentially the spiritual Adam or head of all, that he is previously manifested as the spiritual Abra- ham or head of a part ; and not vice versd. T. This cannot be denied : nor is it in the slightest degree inconsistent with the theory to which you have been listening. — It is unquestionably as the spiritual Adam, that Jesus is the all, and in all : and as in him, in this character, all manifestations of him whether real or re- presentative are included ; so from him, in this character, all such manifestations of him must in reality proceed. This, however, is a view of matters applicable, not properly speaking to our present^ but to our future, apprehensions of things ; rather let me say, applicable, not to \h.e fleshly, but to the spiritual mind : in the order of divine manifest- ation, or in the development of the character of the Lord Jesus to beings situated and constituted as we are, the progress being, as we have already stated, from Adam, to Abraham ; — from Abraham, to Jesus as the spiritual Abra- ham; — and from Jesus as the spiritual Abraham, to Jesus as the spiritual Adam. Let us, while in flesh, be content to be raised gradually, in our apprehensions of divine things, from the spiritual particular to the spiritual univer- sal ; leaving the attainment of full, and accurate, and com- prehensive, ideas of the particular as included in tlie uni- sal, until we shall see Jesus as he is. B. I think I may almost venture to form a guess as to what your sentiments are respecting the Bereans, or followers of John Barclay of Edinburgh, to whom I know you are much attaclied; as well as respecting the other WELL AS THE SON OF ABRAHAM. 61 sects and individuals who, in consequence of having by divine grace been enabled to see Jesus as their divine righteousness, have had their consciences purged from guilt, and been rendered partakers of the earnest of life everlasting. Do not you consider that, although they have been begotten again by the incorruptible seed of the word, they are nevertheless standing still at a view of Jesus as the spiritual Abraham; not having had the eyes of their understandings sufficiently opened from above — not having been sufficiently enlightened — to be able to contemplate him also as the spiritual Adam P T. Certainly I do. And since you seem disposed to in- dulge in conjectures you might, with equal truth, have sup- posed it to be my opinion of a large proportion of ordinary Universalists, (not of all, for blessed be God, many of them know and love the truth as it is in Jesus,) that they have never even been raised so high as theBereans; — that they have never even been enabled, with them, to take a scrip- tural view of Jesus as the spiritual Abraham. The great mass of Universalists draw their conclusions in favour of their leading doctrine chiefly, if not altogether, from observing the subsistence of a fleshly connection between Jesus and the whole human race; (in which respect, by the way, their sentiments are superior to those of the Bereans;) but they do not seem to understand that, although this fleshly connection was requisite as the basis of and as preliminary to all the subsequent divine proce- dure, it is, nevertheless, not through this fleshly connection directly that salvation takes place. This class of persons, alas! but too numerous, do not seem to understand, that it is directly through the medium of the revelation of Jesus as the spiritual Abraham to the members of the spiritual Israel, and through their primary salvation thereby both here and hereafter; and only indirectly through the me- dium of the fleshly connection subsisting between Jesus 62 JESUS THE SON OF ADAM, ETC. and all human beings; that the grand step is taken, by which the secondary and subordinate salvation of the unre- generate portion of the human family by Jesus as the spi- ritual Adam is ensured and accomplished. It is ignorance of this, existing in their minds in connection with errone- ous conceptions of the character of Jesus as the God-man, of the doctrine of election, and of the intermediate state, which vitiates the system of the great majority of the American Universalists. Other circumstances, concern- ing which I may speak to you at some future period, long since caused me to reject as a whole the sentiments of the followers of Elhanan Winchester. B. Many thanks to you for the information with which you have furnished me. My mind is far from being in all respects satisfied as to the correctness of your theory. But you have certainly cleared up my views as to the following points: — First. That Jesus, as having been the Son of Adam no less than the Son of Abraham, had a connection with flesh which, so far from having been confined to tlie natural descendants of Abraham, extended to the whole human race. Secondly. That this fleshly connection of Jesus with all, necessarily implies some purpose of his incarnation which is common to all. Thirdly. Tliat Jesus is at once Abraham's fleshly descendant, and the spiritual Abraham; Adam's fleshly descendant, and the spiritual Adam : or, in other words, that he is at once Abra- ham's Son and Abraham's Lord; Adam's Son and Adam's Lord. And, lastly, that, in point of order and time, he ap- pears as the spiritual Abraham before he is manifested as the spiritual Adam. — Some other statements of yours, without actually convincing me, have made a considerable impression on my mind. — As I presume that you will not refuse me the pleasure and advantage of again conversing with you on this interesting subject, till we meet again, adieu. END OF THE SECOND DIALOGUE. DIALOGUE THIRD. subject: THE TWO LAWS. SPEAKERS :— AUTHOR. BROTHER. FRIEND. F. Robert acquaints me that he has been recently hold- ing some interesting conversations with you on the topic of universal salvation. Have you any objections to my be- coming a thirdsman on this present occasion, when, it seems, you intend prosecuting the consideration of the subject ? T. None whatever. B. I felt confident that my brother would hail with pleasure your accession to our party. F. Thank you, Thom. I had myself a pretty strong conviction that, in joining you, I should not be deemed an intruder. — Now, Gentlemen, proceed. B. I leave it to you to begin. Having in some mea- sure exhausted my own objections to my brother's system, I want to hear those which may have occurred to other minds as impediments to their reception of it. F. Very well. Be it so. — Robert has furnished me with a general sketch of the questions discussed by you 04 THE TWO LAWS. at your last meeting. It seems that on the natural or fleshly connection subsisting between Jesus and the whole human race ; and on the fact of Jesus being the anti-type of Adam as well as of Abraham ; you founded, what ap- peared to my young friend here to be, a very plausible argument in favour of the ultimate salvation of all. That is, as he reported matters to me, of the salvation of some, in one sense ; and of tJie rest, in another. I confess my- self to have been forcibly struck by some of your observa- tions as related by him to me. — But there are circum- stances involved in every theory of Universalism of which I have ever heard, or of which I can form any conception, which appear both to him and to me to constitute insur- mountable obstacles to our thorough acquiescence in your sentiments. For instance : your system evidently leads to the confounding of the righteous with the wicked. T. This is a heavy charge. But, perhaps, you will have the goodness to state how it does so. F. By representing the righteous and the wicked as undergoing one and the same fate. Now you know that scripture has denounced a woe against those who justify the wicked, as well as against those who condemn the righteous. T. What, if the leading characteristic of my system should be, the making of a complete distinction between the righteous and the wicked ; and the representing of them as experiencing two perfectly diflferent fates ? — But come. As I suspect your ignorance of what is meant, in scripture phraseology, by the righteous and the wicked, it may not be amiss for me to try whether my suspicion be well founded or not, by first of all denying the existence of any righteous human beings. There are none righteous among mankind. F. Do you really mean to deny the division of human beings into the righteous and the wicked ? THE TWO LAWS. 65 T. Instead of answering you in my own language, I prefer borrowing, for the occasion, that of scripture. There is none righteous, no, not one. There is none that doeth good, no, not one. Both passages, quoted from the Old Testament, occur in the third chapter of the Epistle to the Romans. — You see that, in reiterating, as I now do, my denial of the existence of any righteous human beings, I do no more than the word of God itself warrants. F. Oh ! I comprehend your meaning. I admit that no human beings are righteous in themselves. T. That is, in other words to admit, that human be- ings as such constitute the wicked. For to say that no human beings are in themselves righteous, and that all hu- man beings are in themselves wicked, are necessarily con- vertible modes of expression. Thus, then, whenever God speaks of the wicked, in the largest and most extensive sense of which the term is susceptible, he intends thereby Adam and all his natural posterity. B. Why do you hesitate about making the required concession ? If none of the natural posterity of Adam be righteous, then of necessity all of them must be wicked. — There is no possible way of evading this conclusion. F. I allow its correctness. T. Then mark what follows. As by the language of scripture just quoted, and by your own admission, it is established, that none of the human race as such and of themselves are righteous; then if, notwithstanding this, any of the human race shall be found righteous, it must be in consequence of their occupying some other relation, standing in some other character, and possessing some other nature, than that of mere human beings. B. This is unquestionably true. F. You observe that your brother is merely stating, in negative but equivalent terms, the doctrine inculcated by the apostle in the 3rd chapter of the Epistle to the Ro- GO THE TWO LAWS. mans, from which he has ah-eady quoted. For, after having' proved man's destitution of creature righteousness and con- demnation before God, the apostle proclaims and triumphs in the existence of a divine righteousness, in virtue of their union with the performer of which, Christ Jesus, he re- presents some of the very persons who are guilty in them- selves, as nevertheless standing righteous and accepted in the sight of God. T. Thus far, then, we have proceeded with a thorough understanding of each other. — Now prepare yourself for two questions which go to the bottom of our present sub- ject: — 1st. If righteousness be not an attribute of the creature Adam, but of the Creator Christ Jesus ; and if it be by making them one with himself, that the Creator renders any of tlie human race righteous ; then, as it is persons possessed of human nature who constitute the wicked, must it not be persons possessed of the divine na- ture who constitute the righteous ? F. Evidently. T. 2ndly. As human beings, who are by nature wicked, may nevertheless by grace, even while they con- tinue human beings, possess in their consciences by faith the earnest or first fruits of the divine nature — have we not thus, in the case of believers, an instance of one and the same class of persons exhibiting at one and the same moment two distinct and perfectly opposite characters ? Are not the same persons in one capacity, or as Adam's descendants, wicked; and in another capacity, or as Jesus' descendants, righteous ? F. Granted. T. Observe — for I have no wish to entrap you to ac- quiesce in a view which you have not maturely considered, — observe, that when we speak of believers, we speak of persons in whom the two apparently discordant principles of wickedness and righteousness meet. In other words, the THE TWO LAWS. 67 very same individuals can be spoken of with perfect truth as both wicked and righteous. They are wicked, as one with Adam ; they are righteous, as one with Christ. B. This is so clear that there is no possibility of doubting or gainsaying it. F. So say I likewise. But what is the conclusion which your brother is driving at by all this ? T. You shall not remain long in suspense respecting that. You remember, my good friend, that you represented me as confounding the wicked with the righteous ; and this, by assigning to both a common fate. In the few words which we have already exchanged with each other, my object in part has been to satisfy you, that you had formed an erroneous estimate of my views and principles. First. While, borne out by scripture, I deny the existence of a principle of righteousness in human nature, I do not deny the existence of an essential and eternal distinction between wickedness and righteousness : rejoicing, indeed, in the discovery, that the divine nature is, what human nature neither is nor can be, essentially righteous. — Secondly. While 1 maintain that all human beings as such are wicked, and that consequently between one class of human beings and another, considered as such, there is no difference be- fore God; I maintain equally, that there is a difference between some human beings, as having had the righteous- ness of Christ revealed to them by faith as their righteous- ness, and as having been thereby constituted righteous as to their consciences before God, — and the remainder of the human race, as continuing wicked, or what they originally were, by continuing destitute of the kno\\ ledge and posses- sion of this divine righteousness. — And, lastly, while I have maintained that all human beings as such are wicked, and stand condemned before God ; I have equally main- tained, that wherever the principle of divine righteousness 68 THE TWO LAWS. revealed to faith, or the nature of Christ, exists, there ac- ceptance with God, as necessarily connected with it, exists likewise. — In one word, I deny the existence of righteous- ness in the creature : but I assert the glorious fact of the creature being made a partaker of righteousness in the Creator. Can you after this, with any fairness, represent me as confounding the wicked or Adam's descendants, with the righteous or Christ's descendants ? or, after my averment that the former stand condemned, and the latter justified, before God, represent me as holding that the fate of the one is the same as that of the other ? But it is not the mere defence of myself, and justifica- tion of my own system of religion — a very paltry matter — that I have had in view by engaging in these conversa- tions. To be useful to you, and to promote, God willing, the cause of truth, this, this, has been my chief aim. You have, if I am not mistaken, by means of your admissions, furnished me with the means of rendering you and others some service. It is evident that up to this time you have, in common with the great bulk of religious professors, been conceiving of the righteous and the wicked as two classes of mere human beings. The object of my questions and remarks has been to suggest to you, that as Adam's nature is the wicked nature, and as Christ's nature is the righteous nature, therefore, the distinction between the wicked and the righteous is not, properly speaking, a distinction between two classes of Adam'' s descendants , but between the descen- dants of Adam and the descendants of Christ. And, as closely connected with this fact, I have wished to suggest to you also — taking as the basis of my so doing, what you have admitted to be tlie case of believers upon earth, viz. that they have by faith the earnest of the divine nature in their consciences, and that they are thus at one and the same moment possessed of the two distinct characters of wicked and righteous — I say, I have wished to suggest to THE TWO LAWS. 69 you, taking your admission as my ground-work, the fal- lacy of a principle which I know is regarded by you as an impregnable axiom, " that it is impossible for the unregenerate portion of the family of man, as now confes- sedly vficke^^ultimately to become righteous and be saved." F. I understand you. From the admitted circum- stance of believers of the gospel possessing, at one and the same moment, the characters of wicked and righteous — wicked, in one respect, and righteous, in another — wicked, as descended from the first Adam, and righteous, as des- cended from the second — you want to anticipate an ob- jection which you conceive I might make to the ultimate salvation of the unregenerate portion of the family of mankind, grounded on the fact of their being at the pre- sent moment wicked. T. Not an objection which you might make, but one which you actually have made. For on what, except on this principle, does your representation of me as confound- ing the wicked with the righteous proceed ? — Certainly, as wicked the unregenerate are not saved. But no more so are believers. As wicked, that is, as descendants of the first Adam, and in so far as they are partakers of his nature, they perish just like others. The body in them is dead, because of sin. Rom. viii. 10. This circumstance of believers being naturally wicked, as being partakers of Adam's nature, does not, however, prevent them from be- coming supernaturally righteous, as partakers in their consciences of Christ's nature. The spirit in them is life, because of righteousness. Ibid : — Now my argument is this: — If the terms wicked and righteous are, in the case of believers, applicable to one and the same class of indi- viduals, viewed as standing in the two distinct and sepa- rate relations of descendants of Adam and descendants of Christ Jesus; is it any thing more than an extension of the same principle to say, that the rest of the family of 70 THE TWO LAWS. mau who as bearing the image of the earthy man are wicked here, shall nevertheless as bearing the image of the heavenly man be righteous hereafter ? F. In spite of all you can plead in your own behalf, you involve yourself in the conclusion, that God saves the Avicked. T. No more, I repeat, than I do in maintaining that God saves his believing people. For they, although ori- ginally wicked and children of wrath even as others, are nevertheless in Christ Jesus the objects of his love, and the partakers of his saving grace. The fact is, that nei- ther the believing, nor the unbelieving, are saved as wicked or as Adam's descendants. The spiritual benefits which they respectively reap come to them in and through the righteousness of the Son of God alone. And we thus argue, that if wickedness or Adam's nature, in the case of believers, cannot of itself interfere with and hinder their enjoyment of salvation in the highest sense of the term; no more can wickedness or Adam's nature, in the case of unbelievers, of itself interfere with and hinder their enjoy- ment of salvation in an inferior sense of the term. — Ob- serve, I never maintain that the unregenerate portion of the family of man are saved as wicked. On the contrary, as wicked they perish. It is in and through their con- nection with Jesus Christ the righteous, that salvation comes to either the regenerate or the unregenerate portion of the human race. F. What you hold, then, is — for I am most solicitous to apprehend your meaning — that, as in believers appear united the two distinct and discordant characters of wick- ed and righteous ; wicked, as descended naturally from Adam, and righteous, as descended spiritually by faith from Christ Jesus ; it is thereby proved, that there is no incompatibility between one and the same class of individ- uals being wicked in one sense and in one respect, and THE TWO LAWS. 71 righteous in another. And, therefore, in maintaining that the unregenerate portion of mankind, those who live and die wicked or partakers of Adam's nature only while here, are destined ultimately, through the putting forth of that power of Christ by which all things are made new, to appear righteous hereafter — you conceive yourself to be merely contending for an extension of the principle, of which we have already recognized the existence in the case of the regenerate. Both in the case of the regen- erate, and in that of the unregenerate, you argue that the very same beings who, as descended from Adam, are pos- sessed of a wicked nature, and are therefore punished j are also spiritually descended from Christ Jesus, the second Adam, and, as divinely righteous in him, live for evermore. They appear in the twofold character of wicked in the first Adam, the man of the earth, earthy; and righteous in the second Adam, the Lord from Heaven. T. I can have no objection whatever to this statement of my views. F. To me your ideas come home invested with all the freshness of novelty. B. Tell me what you mean exactly by the terms right- eous and wicked, David ? You have frequently employed them in the course of this conversation ; and I should like, if agreeable to you, to have an accurate and intelligible definition of them before we proceed farther. T. By the wicked nature, I mean the nature which disobeys divine law. By the righteous nature, the nature which obeys divine law. — Adam, as having had a nature which necessarily violated the law of God, was the wicked man. Jesus, on the other hand, is the righteous man, as having been possessed of a nature which constantly and necessarily yielded obedience to the law of his heavenly father. Thy lam, says he, addressing God in the language of prophecy, is within my heart. Psalm xl. 8. That is. 72 THE TWO LAWS. ** love and conseciuent obedience to thy law constitute my very nature." B. So far I comprehend you. But I am still to a certain degree at a loss. How was it that the natures of Adam and Jesus respectively were made known and ex- hibited ? To what law, or laws, were the two men sub- jected? — My reason for putting these questions is my conviction, that of the nature of any being we can know nothing, except as it is developed in outward actions. Upon this principle, of the respective natures of Adam and Jesus we can form no idea, except as these were made manifest in their external conduct. Now, is it by means of one and the same law, or of different laws, that the characters of Adam and the Lord Jesus, as essentially dis- tinct from each other, are brought out and presented to our notice ? T. A very proper question, Robert, and one which goes directly to the point. — But before I answer it, have the goodness to inform me, whether you conceive Adam when he was first created to have been a spiritual man ? B. He was not. As he proceeded from God's hands, he possessed merely a pure creature or soulical nature ; and, in this way, he stood contrasted with, as well as was the type of, the Lord Jesus who was possessed of a divine and spiritual nature. F. What say you? Was not Adam originally a spiritual man ? B. Are you really so ignorant as to put this question ? Adam a spiritual man ! Why, if he had been so, he could not have been the type or figure of the Lord Jesus, as the apostle Paul informs us he was, Rom. v. 14. The Son of God was the spiritual man. But suppose our first pro- genitor also to have been spiritual at the period of his creation, and mark what follows. In that case, instead of Adam being the figure of the Creator, Christ Jesus, as from THK TWO LAWS. 73 the circumstance of his having been a creature he couhl be only, you actually confound him with the Creator ! A being possessed o( jjiue soul or fleshly mind, as Adam was, might be the type or figure of a being possessed of spirit or spiritual mind, as Christ was : but how could a spiritual being become the type of a spiritual being ? Does not the idea carry absurdity branded on the very forehead of it ? — My dear sir, we must take care not to imitate the practices which we condemn in Unitarians. By represent- ing the Lord Jesus as a mere man like ourselves, that is, by dragging the Creator down to the level of the creature, they confound the Creator with the creature. But if we represent Adam as having been originally spiritual, — that is, if, by ascribing to him an attribute which belongs to Christ Jesus, we elevate the creature to the level of the Creator, — are we not chargeable with the equally gross al- though opposite error, of confounding the creature with the Creator? — The truth is that the notion, so common among religious characters, of Adam having been origin- ally a spiritual, that is, a divine being, is fraught with the most absurd as well as unscriptural consequences. Of some of these my brother here has given a succinct, and to me a satisfactory, view, in his Three Questions proposed and answered: in which he has demonstrated from scripture, that Adam's mind naturally was a pure soulical or crea- ture mind merely, and as such the figure of Christ's spi- ritual or divine mind ; and that, if the opposite theory be persevered in, oi Adam's mind having been originally spi- ritual, it must be at the expense of representing Christ to have come into the world, not to elevate us to a state of glory and happiness infinitely superior to that which Adam originally possessed, but merely to carry back and restore us to the state and circumstances of the already forfeited terrestrial paradise. F. Well, I must look farther into this matter. There K 74 TIfE TVvO LAWS. certainly appears at first sight, such a difference between representing Adam as spiritual, and thereby the type of a spiritual being ; and representing him as soulicalavidJieshlT/, and thereby the type of a spnritual being ; as is in favour of your brother's view and your own. — In the meantime, you have begged your brother to inform you, whether Adam and Jesus were subjected to the same divine law. I wait impatiently to hear his answer to your question. T. The answer is ready. Robert having acknowledged the existence of a distinction between Adam's nature, as having been merely soulical or creaturely ; and Christ's nature, as having been spiritual or divine ; I now observe, that as their respective natures were different, so also were the laws respectively addressed to them. — To Adam the creature there was addressed but one law, and that couched in the form of Hi prohibition. Its tenor was: Of every tree of the garden, thou mayest freely eat ; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shall not cat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shall surely die. Gen. ii. 16. 17. This prohibition imposed upon Adam a restraint of the slenderest and most trifling kind. He was, to use the words of Milton, For one restraint, Lord of the world besides. And to this he was subjected, with a view to bring out and develop, in a way the most convincing, the vanity and worthlessness of the nature with which he was orio;in- ally created. Had numerous, strict, and rigid, prohibitions been enforced, they might have been objected to on the ground of their having put human nature to too severe a trial. But a prohibition infemng a restraint so slight was, in the event of its being violated, admirably fitted to evince the essential, total, and irreconcil cable, opposition of human nature to God. And violated it was, as soon as the suit- able temptation was presented. The event manifesting, that the mere mind of flesh was, even in its best estate^ THE TWO LAWS. 75 enmity against God; that it was not subject to the law of God, neither, indeed, could be, Rom. viii. 7. — But when Jesus, the second Adam, the Lord from heaven, made his appearance in flesh, he found already addressed to him, and imposed on liim, a law of a very different description from that which had been issued to his natural ancestor. Instead of one prohibition imposing a restraint of a trifling kind, he found himself subjected to a law which imposed every conceivable species of prohibition, and addressed to him every conceivable species of command. A law which demanded obedience at all times, and in all places — of heart, as well as of life — and the ultimate sacrifice of him- self — as well as abstinence from all evil during the whole period of his abode upon earth. A law of the greatest ex- tent of requirement, as well as the most complete intensity of operation; and which made no allowance or provision for failure, even the slightest. A law, in a word, which was searching, dreadful, and fiery; and which demanded a nature corresponding to itself in him who should under- take its accomplishment. Such is the law to which Jesus of Nazareth, as the Christ or Messiah, was subjected. The following is its summary: Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and ?vith all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. Luke x. 27. — Thus we perceive — F. Pardon the interruption, my dear Sir. I may not exactly understand you. But you appear to me to inti- mate, that the law enjoining perfect love to God, and equal love to man, was addressed to Jesus the Messiah alone. And, consequently, that it is not addiessed to, and is not obligatory on, ordinary human beings. — Perhaps, T have mistaken you. If so, you will set me right. T. In supposing me to say, that the command to love God supremely, and his neighbour as himself was addressed to the Messiah alone ; and never was by God 76 THE TWO LAWS. addressed to, or rendered obligatory on, any of the hu- man race besides ; so far from misunderstanding me, you have exactly apprehended my meaning. F. You perfectly astonish me ! B. Indeed, David, to tell you a truth, this is one of those flights in which I suspect you will be found to have mounted on Icarian wings. — Do you really expect any one who believes the truth of divine testimony, to repose confidence in your assertion, that it is not incumbent upon us to love God and man ? T. That I may be thoroughly understood, I repeat the substance of what I actually have said, and of what the sacred volume bears me out in maintaining. — There are only two laws represented by the scriptures as ever having been issued by God to man. Not to all men indiscrimin- ately ; but to the one and the other of these two men, the typical Adam, the creature, and the anti-typical or real Adam, the Creator : and this, because in these two men the whole family of man is, either naturally as in the for- jner, or spiritually as in the latter, summed up. The first of these two laws was issued to the natural Adam in the garden of Eden, in the terms which I have already quoted from Genesis ii. 16. 17; the second of them was the law to which the spiritual Adam, the Lord Jesus, was subject- ed during the period of his abode upon earth. The first of these laws consisted of a prohibition ; of the tree of the Icnowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it : the se- cond, of a command ; thoti shalt love the Lord thy God. The first enjoined abstinence from a single transgression ; the second prescribed the most perfect, undeviating, and comprehensive, love to God and man. The first or the prohibition, in the event of its being violated, was to be fol- lowed by the infliction of punishment ; the second or the command, having had annexed to it a promise, was, in the event of its being fulfilled by obedience even unto death, THE TWO LAWS. 77 to result ill tlie enjoyment of a positive and eternal reward. The former of these laws was violated, by Adam, the crea- ture; the latter of them was kept — gloriously kept, indeed, for thereby rvas it magnified and made honourable — by Jesus, the Creator. By means of the breach of the former law, sin and death entered ; by means of the fulfilment of the latter, righteousness and life everlasting were intro- duced. In a word, the violation of the first or prohibitory law, by Adam the creature, was subservient or introduc- tory to perfect obedience to the second law or law of com- mand, by Jesus the Creator. — Am I so far understood ? F. Understood, most assuredly. But I have not yet recovered from the surprise into which I was thrown by your statement, that to love God and his neighbour is not a duty incumbent on every human being. 'J\ And it will probably deepen and strengthen your surprise when I inform you, that not only is there no ob- ligation imposed by God himself on mere human beings naturally to love him with all their heart, soul, strength, and mind, and their neighbours as themselves, but that, in no state or circumstances whatever, can mere human beings become the subjects of such a command. — If I am not mistaken, my worthy friend, what I have just remark- ed has tended still further to increase your perplexity. F. Were it not, Thom, that I might appear to be un- courteous, I would say, that I am strongly tempted to ques- tion the sanity of the man who is capable of making an assertion such as that which I have just listened to. — A mere human being under no obligation to love God and man ! Nay, incapable of being brought under such an obligation ! Pooh ! Nonsense ! T. And yet, nonsensical as the idea may appear to you — and insane as you may conceive the mind to be which is capable of entertaining it — it is nevertheless true. Nay, what is more, the whole doctrine of human salvation 78 THE TWO LAWS. hinges on it and is involved in it. — But not to keep you any longer in suspense, allow me to ask you : — Have you ever reflected on these words, occuring in the eighth chap- ter of the Epistle to the Romans, and already referred to by me. The carnal mindy or mind of flesh, is enmity against God ; for it is not subject to the lam of God, neither, in- deed, can he? Verse 7th. F. Yes, I have. T. You admit then, I presume, that the carnal mind, or mind of jiesh, there spoken of, is the mind of every hu- man being naturally ? F. I do. T. Very well. — Permit me now to call your attention to certain consequences of what you have admitted. The mind of every man naturally, you allow, is spoken of in the passage quoted ; and in it, you observe, it is declared, that not only is that mind so opposed to God as in point of fact to disobey his law, but as even to labour under a total incapacity of obeying it. It is not subject to the law of God; NEITHER, INDEED, CAN BE. — Now reflect on, and then ansAver, the following question : — Is it likely, think you, that God who, as possessed of infinite wisdom, must know this entire inability of the fleshly mind to obey any law of his, and as a being of perfect love must be in- capable of mocking his creatures, should have required from men an obedience which, from the very constitution of their nature, they were unable, because unqualified, to render? F. I cannot answer you positively. It does appear to me, looking at the matter abstractly and speaking can- didly, not to be likely, that God should have issued a com- mand to love himself supremely, and their neighbours as themselves, to mere human beings: a command which, from the constitutional and indestructible enmity of the fleshly mind to himself and his law, behoved necessarily THE TWO LAWS. 79 to be disobeyed. — Notwitlistaiiding this, however, facts, especially scriptural facts, must carry it over all our pre- sumptions and reasonings. Indeed, is it not one of your favourite dogmas, that God issued the original prohibition to Adam, with the full certainty that he laboured under as complete an incapacity to comply even with it, as he did to obey that law requiring perfect love to God and equal love to man, the issuing of which to him and his descend- ants is the matter now in question ? T. Glad am I, my dear friend, that you have brought the discussion to a tangible point. We can now grapple with it easily. — It is fact, that God did issue the original prohibition to Adam, in the garden of Eden, with the full knowledge and certainty that that prohibition would be dis- obeyed. Adam, at his creation, as having been of the earth, earthy, possessed nothing more than jfleshly mind ; however pure and free from transgression that fleshly mind may originally have been. Now the intention of God was to shew what Adam actually was. To bring out to view what fleshly mind was incapable of doing. To make manifest that in his best natural estate, w^hether consider- ed with reference to his mind or his body, maw 7vas altogether vanity. With this view the paradisaical law, or prohibi- tion recorded Gen. ii. 16. 17, was issued. And the breach of that law, as you are vvell aware, speedily followed. — By this one transgression was the divine purpose answered; and the fleshly, and therefore worthless, nature of man's mind evinced satisfactorily once for all. And by this one transgression, as a sufficient index or expositor of that en- mity to God which is essential to and characteristic of their common nature, was the whole human race brought in guilty before God: upon all of them, as possessed of this same common guilty nature, sentence of sufi*erings and death having, in Adam the source of it, been pronounced. Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return. Gen. iii. 19, 80 THE TWO LAWS. Now, ill circumstances like this, why suppose the whole human race to have had imposed upon it any other divine law? — As a whole, mankind were already guilty. As a whole, they were already suhjected to sufferings and death. Why, then, issue to them any other law? Cui bono? — If they could not obey a law imposing a restraint so slight and trifling as that which was addressed to Adam did, much less surely a law which required perfect love to God and man. And as they already stood guilty before God, and subjected to all the possible consequences of creature guilt, to what end issue to them a law the breach of whicli could be attended with no additional punishment? — As al- ready guilty and condemned before God, they neillier were in a situation to receive anotlier divine law, nor could llieir breach of any other law have rendered them worse than they actually were. And shall God be supposed, in issu- ing to mere man another law, to have done what under the circumstances of tlie case would have been perfectly superfluous, and, consequently, a manifestation not of per- fect wisdom but of egregious folly ? But this is not all. Important as the facts and consi- derations just mentioned are, and slightly observed and reflected on as they have been, they do not constitute the real and complete answer to your objection. That answer is found in one of those beautiful, and yet somewhat occult, proofs of divine wisdom which, to but a few highly favour- ed ones of the Lord, it has been given hitherto to perceive. It is this. Human nature, although unable to obey the law of God, nevertheless behoved to have that law, in the form of a restraint of the slenderest description, once issued to it ; and this, with a view to evince its weakness and wortlilessuess, to bring its original condition to an end, and to open up the way for a higher and more glorious state of things being introduced. This divine law, how- ver, behoved not to be a command. And this, because a THE TWO LAWS. 81 command leaves no alternative. Commands require to be obeyed, and make no provision for disobedience. If, then, a command had been issued to Adam originally, the wis- dom of God would have been open to impeachment ; see- ing that he would have enjoined an obedience which man could not render, and would have left himself unable to make any provision for the consequences of misconduct. — But no. Not to a command, but to a prohibition^ accom- panied with the denunciation of a penalty in the event of its being violated, was the first man, and in him all his natu- ral posterity, subjected. That is, the divine law imposed upon him, as being a prohibition, involved in its very na- ture an alternative. It was not necessarily to be obeyed : for, on the very face of it, provision was made for cer- tain consequences to ensue in the event of disobedience taking place. This alternative, which is connected neces- sarily Avith every prohibitory law,* having, in the case of the first law given to Adam, pointed to that very result which it was all along intended should follow. — Contrast this with the second law which, I maintain, was imposed on the Lord Jesus. It is a command. There is on the face of it no alternative. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God supremely, and thy neighbour as thyself, is its impe- rative language. There is no provision here made for failure. And why ? Because no failure could by any possibility take place. It was addressed to the Creator, the Lord from heaven ; and by him it behoved necessarily to be fulfilled. — Can these remarks be understood, without carrying along with them the conviction that, not merely did the strictness, and severity, and extent of requirement, of the second law, and the fact of the violation of the first law by Adam having already brought in the wliole human race as guilty before God, prevent the possibility of the second law being issued to mere creatures ; but that the * Nulla lex sine sanctione. L 82 TEE TWO LAWS. second law being couclied in the form of a command, a form of law wliicli left no alternative, and thereby differing from the first law given to Adam which, as a prohihilion, was attended with an alternative, of itself and without any additional reasonings points to the Creator, and not to the creature, as its fiilfiller ? Thus, tlien, the fact of God's having issued one law, Iiaving given one proliibition, to Adam, with the full and entire certainty tliat Adam would disobey it, — and this, that he miglit tlierehy make manifest what human nature was, andjustify himself in the treatment to v.hich he might see meet to subject it, — so far from laying the foundation for a second or any farther law being given to mere man, actually rendered tlie issuing of any such second law to mere man an absolute impossibility. There was but one object or purpose for wliich a second law could be issued by God, and tliat was, that it might be obeyed ; and that, by obedience to it, tlie effects of the disobedience of the for- mer law by Adam the creature, and in him by tlie nature j>ossessed by every creature, might be, not merely counter- balanced, but done away with, swallowed up, and obliter- ated. Now this required that the second law should be given, not to a mere creature, but to one possessed of the nature of the Creator ; and that F. Before proceeding farther, allow me to enquire, if there does not exist a very great resemblance between your sentiments, and those of Mr. Robert Owen, formerly of New-Lanarlv, with regard to the state and circumstances of human beings naturally ? — Mr. Owen considers man to be so decidedly the creature or slave of circumstances, that it is impossible for him to be anything else than what he actually is, or to exhibit any other character than what is impressed on him. According to that gentleman and his abettors, man is what his organization, temperament, education, and the other causes whicli from the cradle to the THC TWO LAV/S. 83 grave are constantly operating upon him, make him to he; and can, hy no possihility, he different. — Now you seem to me to regard man as heing so completely enslaved hy his fleshly constitution, as to he totally incapahle of rising a- hove it ; and as heing ohliged to act always and of ne- cessity in suhordination to it : therehy presenting, to my mind, a very strong and marked resemhlance hetween the views entertained hy Mr. Owen and your own. B. I may just venture to anticipate what my hrother has to say in answer to you hy remarking, that in what- ever respects there may appear to he an approximation on the part of his sentiments to those of Mr. Owen, the points in which that gentleman and he agree, are few and trifling in comparison of those with regard to which they differ. — There can he no very great identity of views hetueen two men, the one of whom regards human nature as capahle of heing carried out to such a degree of perfection, as that sin and misery shall ultimately he hanished from the world ; and the other of whom heholds in human nature a princi- ple of which sin and misery are necessarily such constitu- ent parts, that they are likely to he exhihited in a far more marked way in a future period of the world than they have ever yet heen, and are destined to he expelled from it only hy the destruction of tliat nature itself. — But my hrother wishes to act fairly. And, therefore, if he find Mr. Owen or any other man ))ropounding a sentiment which, in the light of scripture, he knows to he true, he will never, 1 am confident, reject it merely on account of the quarter from which it may proceed. T. Thank you, Rohert, for your good opinion of me. What you descrihe is precisely the case just now. Mr. Owen, without heing aware of it, has seized, and in some measure taken his stand on, one most important scripturiil principle ; and his ordinary antagonists, without heiiig aware of it, are attacking him in his stronghold. In such circumstances, of course, he has them at an advantage. 84 THE TWO LAWS. Let me, however, in order to obviate all mistahes, ex- press my views with respect to human nature in my own language ; and then, let those who are conversant with Mr. Owen's writings, and competent to the task of insti- tuting a comparison between our respective sentiments, judge how far they coincide or the reverse. I am satisfied that the nature of every being constitutes the law of that being : in other words, constitutes the au- thority to which the being is in all its powers, faculties, and propensities, subject. Proceeding upon this principle, as the nature of the cat and that of the dog constitute the laws to which these animals respectively are subject ; so does the fleshly nature of man constitute the law to which he naturally and necessarily, both as to body and mind, is subject likewise. Indeed, the principle is of such uni- versal application, that the nature of God constitutes the law, the only law, which the Supreme Being himself recog- nizes and obeys. — But to return. Adam's body was first created, and then his mind, as we learn from Gen. ii. 7 ; and the same progress, from the previous existence of body to that of mind, takes place, as we know, in all his des- cendants. Tliat is, man was originally of the earth, earthy; or had first imparted to him a body composed of earthly materials, with which a mind suitable to its earthly nature was afterwards associated. The mind was thus, by its very creation, made to depend on the body ; and man owed an allegiance to the law of flesh, or to the constitu- tion of his fleshly nature, before by any possibility he could owe an allegiance to any other law. Flesh is man's law- giver and rightful monarch ; and, from the law of flesh, he can by no efforts of his own — no means of his own de- vising and executing — withdraw himself. To a being thus situated, that is, thus previously owing allegiance to the law of flesh as the law of his nature, one law of God, in the &liape of the prohibition imposed on Adam, was addressed. THE TWO LAWS. 85 Atid this, not to render our natural progenitor subject to divine law, or to evince his capability of ever becoming so; but to make manifest the utter impossibility of his nature ever being subjected to divine law, in consequence of its having been previously subjected, and of the allegiance which therefore it owed, to the law of flesh. Of this, the one transgression of Adam afforded ample and sufficient evidence. It shewed that his mind, as fleshly, was not subject to God's law; neither, indeed, was able to be so. That, as fleshly, its very nature constituted a law of sin and death: requiring, merely, the imposition on it of a divine prohibition in order to bring out and display what it actually was. For this purpose, then, divine law entered, not that it might be obeyed by fleshly mind, but that the total ina- bility of fleshly mind to obey it might thereby become manifest. The law entered, that the offence might abound. And what the fleshly mind of man originally was, it con- tinues still. Just as much and as essentially opposed to God, and just as unable to keep any law of his, however slight and apparently trifling in its requirements that law may be, now, as when in paradise it manifested its hostility to the law of God in the transgression of our first parents. F. What say you. Thorn ? Human beings unable to keep any divine law ! Surely you are joking. T. I am perfectly serious. My authorities are, first, the language of scripture which informs me, that the mind of flesh, that is, the mind of every human being naturally, is neither subject to God's law, nor able to be so; and, secondly, what as a matter of fact is observed by every en- lightened Christian, that when evil is avoided by the mere fleshly mind, it is never in subordination to the law of God, or in consequence of its having been prohibited by divine authority, but always in consequence of some so THE TWO LAV/S. injaiy sustained, or of the apprehension of some injury likely to he sustained, hy the individual himself were he to transgress it. It is thus the principle of selfishness, as essentially and necessarily the principle of fleshly mind; not a regard to God's law as such, a principle which never dwelt except in the breast of the Son of God himself; which dictates and produces all that abstinence from evil by which mere human beings are distinguished. F. Dear me! what sad havoc you do make among the petitions of our Church! Supposing you to be right, why put up such prayers, as, ''Lord have mercy upon us, and incline our hearts to keep this law;" or, "grant that this day we fall into no sin ?" If the human mind be, as you allege and as you think scripture proves, unable to obey any divine law, then it must appear to you absurd, if not blasphemous, for people to be continually asking God for that which he hath told them cannot be, and which consequently he never intends to bestow. T. Were I to consult my natural feelings, I certainly would be provoked to smile at the idea of creatures pray- ing to be enabled to fulfil a law, which hath been already and gloriously fulfilled by the Creator Jdmself ! Jesus, by his obedience unto death, became the end of the law for righteousness, unto every one that believeth ; and yet, for- sooth! this very law. although ended by him the Crea- tor, nevertheless, in their apprehension, remains and re- quires to be fulfilled by themselves mere creatures ! — But ridicule is not the sentiment which, in the believing mind, a consideration of this subject has a tendency to beget. How painful to think that thousands of those who call themselves Christians, and therel)y profess to believe di- vine testimony, in praying to be enabled to fulfil God's law, are praying for that which could only be conceded to them at the expense of the truth of God ! The same scriptures which declare, that Christ hath yielded an en- TPIE T^TO LAWS. 87 tire and satisfactory obedience to the law of God, declare that it is utterly impossible for man under any circum- stances whatever to obey it: notwithstanding which, pro- fessors of Christianity go on from Aveek to week, and day to day, preferring their petitions in a manner the most serious and devotional, tliat it may be granted to them to comply with its requirements. By asking God to enable them to fulfil a law which he informs tliem has already been maf/uified and made honourable, as well as brought to an end, by ///'>.• o?z'// well beloved Son; and which, he likewise informs them, they never can fulfil; thus at one and the same moment pouriug contempt upon Christ the fulfiller of it, and calling God a liar ! Can we, taking into account all the circumstances of the case, entirely resist the suspi- cion that, in connection with gross ignorance, deep-grain- ed hypocrisy must in many instances prevail in the minds of those by whom such supplications are presented ? But to pass on. If I have been understood, my agree- ment with Mr. Owen, in so far as the present subject is concerned, extends no fartlier than to the admission, on my part, of man being naturally the slave of his fleshly constitution ; and of the various influences to which he is subjected, during the whole of his life-time. In concluding from the constitutional fleshliness, and therefore selfish- ness of man, his incapability of having had addressed to liim a command to love God supremely, and his neiijhbour as himself- — the power of observing such a command im- plying the possession of a generous, even the divine nature, which human beings as such have not — I hold a view in which Mr. Owen and his friends may or may not acqui- esce. It is enough for me, after stating the scriptural facts, that man's nature is fleshly and selfish, and as such unable to obey divine law; and that this was sufficiently and satisfactorily evinced by his violation of the original prohibition; from thence to argue that, as under sucli cir- 88 THE TWO LAWS. ciimstances no other law, especially none inferring condi- tions so strict and severe as those of exhibiting perfect love to God and equal love to man, was in the case of mere creatures required, so to mere creatures no other law, especially none answering to this description, was by our Heavenly Father addressed. B. Do you not think, David, that, in the event of the doctrine upon which you are now insisting being correct, a more direct and simple way of establishing it, than by mere inferences however strong, cogent, and undeniable, might be had recourse to ? Why do you not at once pro- duce vouchers from the word of God in favour of it ? T. You are merely anticipating, my dear brother, what it has been all along my intention to come to. The inferential argument has been thrown in, merely by way of a preparative for tlie direct proofs which are to follow. These direct proofs I am now ready to propound and sub- stantiate. F. If you can establish, by direct scriptural evidence, that the command to love God, with all his heart, and soul, and mind, and his neighbour us himself, was addressed to the Messiah alone; that is, that, as the second law, it was imposed only on the second man, the Lord from heaven; then, it is plain, I must submit. To accomplish this, how- ever, is a task which I guess, as our transatlantic brethren say, will occasion you no small difficulty. T. There is nothing, my dear friend, like making the attempt. Fortuna favet fortihus, you know, as we learned and used to repeat in our school-boy days. Permit me, however, before adducing my arguments, to state what it is that, in maintaining the second law to have been imposed on the Lord Jesus alone, I do not as- sert: or, rather, permit me to make certain concessions, to all the advantages connected with which you are most heartily welcome. I do admit that, to the Jewish people. THE TWO LAWS. 89 the law issued from Mount Sinai was given iu the three following senses: — 1st. It was, with all the prophecies which were to succeed and which indeed constituted a portion of it, temporarily entrusted to them, in the charac- ter of custodiars, depositaries, or stewards ; to be by them kept and preserved until he who was the subject of whom Moses in the law, and the Prophets did write, should make his appearance; and then to be by them handed over to him as the rightful heir and proprietor, because fulfiller, of the whole. Unto them were committed the oracles of God. Rom. iii. 2. 2dly. God having been the temporal monarch of the Jewish nation, or that nation having been what is termed a theocracy, it received the law of Moses as the code or system of statutes to which, during the period of its subsistence as a nation or kingdom of this world, it was to be subject. That is, the Mosaic institutions were given to the Jews, not in their real and spiritual sense, or with any view to their reaping spiritual benefits from the obedience which they might yield to them; but merely in the same way, and on the same principles, as the legisla- ture of any country finds it necessary to impose laws on those who are subject to their sway. What the laws of England are to us, the laws of Moses were to the Jewy as inhabitants of the land of Canaan. Tliis falling to be remarked, farther, in explanation of what I have just hint- ed, that the laws in question, although emanating from God and not from man; and although all typical, emble- matic, or shadowy, of belter tilings to come; in so far as they had to do with the Jews, as a nation of this world, had only a temporal meaning, were only directed to tem- poral purposes, and could be enforced by nothing higher than temporal sanctions. Imposed on the Jews, in this sense, the law of Moses was only to continue in force until he, to whom it was realty given, should accomplish it; and, in this sense, it came to them, not properly speak- M 90 THE TWO LAWS. ing as the law of God, but as the law of Moses, a creature like themselves, their temporal and typical king. If we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, we shall die. — Go thou near, said the Jews addressing Moses, and hear all that the Lord our God shall say; and speak thou UNTO us all that the Lord our God shall speak unto thee, and we will hear it, and do it. And the Lord heard the voice of your tvords, (Moses is reminding his countrymen of what had happened at a previous period of their history ,J fvhen ye spake unto me, and the Lord said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said, all that they have spoken. Dent. v. 25. 27. 28. — In the 3rd and last place, the law delivered from Mount Sinai having been spiritually, that is really given to Christ Jesus, I have now to observe, that the nation of the Jews had one real command, and one real command only, addressed to them by God: a command, however, which was not to take effect, and was not to become obligatory upon them, until after the second law, or the law given from Mount Sinai to Jesus the Messiah or Mediator, had from him received its accom- plishment. That command was to believe on him, as the end, object, and fulfiller, of their law ; and thereby to en- ter into the enjoyment of the privileges and blessings which should be connected with his mediatorial kingdom. The command of which we speak is thus quoted by the apostle Peter : For Moses truly said unto the fathers, a jjrophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you, of your breth- ren, like unto me : him shall ye hear in all things, whatso- ever he shall say unto you. Acts iii. 22. That is, the Jews were commanded to recognize their inability as creatures to fulfil divine law; and that divine law, as such, had never in reality been issued to them; in the light, and through the medium, of recognizing its fulfilment by Jesus of Nazar- eth, the Son of God. The onlv real command addressed THR TWO LAWS. 91 to them was this, not to obey divine law themselves, but to believe in it as obeyed by him to ivlwm alone that law really had been given. This command was no more in- tended to be obeyed by them, than was the prohibition originally imposed on Adam. But the object of God in issuing it was, to elicit a view of the inability and worth- lessness of human nature which law, couched in its pro- hibitory form, had been insufficient to bring out. Man- kind, it remained to be evinced, were just as unable to seize on blessings, by means of their fleshly minds, when these were placed apparently within their reach; as they had already shewn themselves to be, by means of the same minds, to escape from curses. Hence, as the original pro- hibition to abstain from eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, was given to Adam, in order to bring out the inability of human nature to avoid evil; the subsequent command to believe on Jesus, as he to whom divine law had been addressed and by whom it had been fulfilled, was given to the nation of the Jews, in order to bring out the inability of human nature to comprehend and delight itself in what is good. — But of this I may speak afterwards. F. Your last remarks strike me forcibly. "They begin to open up to me a view of the subject to which I have been hitherto an entire stranger. T. Having so far cleared my way, 1 now state my proposition as follows: — Tliat the law which was issued from Mount Sinai, or the law which, as the second, stands distinguished from the first which was given to Adam in paradise, was imposed on the Messiah alone. That the Lord Jesus, was subject to this law, is plain from the apostolic declaration, that he was made under the law ; a law which, as appears from the context, was that which is summed up in the requirement of perfect love to God, and equal love to man. 92 THE TWO LAWS. That this law was imposed on the Lord Jesus alone, is manifest from a variety of considerations. Such as, 1. That the second person singular is employed in it, just as it was in the original prohibition addressed to Adam. Thou shall love the Lord thy God, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself, enjoins on one man the introduction of everlasting righteousness : just as. Of every tree of the garden, thou mayest freely eat j but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shall not eat of it J for in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shall surely die, having been addressed to one man, paved the way for that transgression in the consequences of which all the members of the human family are involved. 2. The apostle declares that Jesus, as the Christ or Messiah, was the end of the law ; Rom. x. 4 ; that is, the person to whom it was addressed, and whom it all along contemplated as its object, no less than he by whose obedience it actually received its accomplishment. 3. The law is spiritual. Rom. vii. 14. That is, it has a nature and involves a meaning, totally diflferent from, and infinitely superior to, what by the mere carnal mind it is apprehendecl to have. It appears, to the fleshly mind, merely to prohibit transgression ; whereas in reality it required purity of nature, as well as righteousness of per- formance : it appears merely to prohibit external evil ; whereas in reality it condemned the murderous, covetous, and impure thought, no less than the gross outbreakings of iniquity : it appears to speak to and require the obedience of a creature ; whereas in reality it addressed itself to and demanded the obedience of the Creator. When opened in its spirituality, that is, in its reality to the apostle, he found such a difference between its require- ments and his own performances, or rather unsuccessful attempts at performance, that, as spiritual in itself, he saw THE TWO LAWS. 93 it neither was, nor could have been, imposed on him as carnal ; but must have been issued to, and must have required the obedience of, one whose nature corresponded to its own. TJie law, having been spiritual, could not require the obedience of one who was carnal, sold under sin : but must have been intended for, and addressed to, the Son of God alone; who, although coming in the likeness of sinful flesh, was nevertheless possessed essentially of a spiritual nature, and thereby condemned sin in the flesh. 4. Which are a shadow of things to come ; but the body is of Christ. Coloss. ii. 17. That is, a vast num- ber of shadows, or shadowy representations, of law was imposed on the nation of the Jews ; but the law itself iu its truth, reality, and substance, was given to Christ alone. And his obedience even unto death, not the ceremonial observances and ritual sacrifices of the Jews, fulfilled the larw. See this point thoroughly cleared up in the 9th and 10th chapters of the Epistle to the Hebrews. 5. From the 12th verse to the end of the 5th chapter of the Epistle to the Romans, an argument is prosecuted which must, even to a mind that is but superficially en- lightened from above, settle the whole controversy. I allude to the distinction between one sin and c%e righteous- ness which is there laid down by the inspired writer, and made the foundation of all his reasonings. Now the whole force scope and import of this distinction turn on the fact, that the law of God was imposed on the Mes- siah alone. If imposed on more than the Lord Jesus, then there might have been more than one righteousness ; and consequently the analogy between Adam and Christ w^ould have been destroyed. But as the law given forth in Paradise was imposed on one man alone, and thereby admitted of but one violation ; no mere human being ever since having bad it iu his power to sin after the similitude of Adam's transgression : so the second law issued from 94 THE TWO LAWS. Mount Sinai was imposed on one man alone likewise, and thereby admitted of but one obedience, or of carrying into eflFect but one righteousness ; no man possessing even the opportunity of obeying after the similitude of Christ's righteousness. Not more certainly did the possibility of but one transgression, imply the giving of the first law to Adam alone ; than did the possibility of but one righteous- ness, imply the giving of the second law to the Lord Jesus alone. He who hath not been enabled to perceive this plain and obvious fact, must make a strange jumble of the apostolic reasoning in the passage referred to. B. Somehow or other, David, I am impressed with the conviction, that you have not yet adduced what you deem your strongest arguments in favour of the proposition you contend for. Have you not other arguments in reserve ? T. Why, to be sure, I conceive that without having recourse to insulated texts, or even to statements which admit of but one satisfactory explanation, such as are those to which I have just directed your notice, the case may be sufficiently made out by placing before you the following broad, unequivocal, and undeniable facts : — First. Jesus alone possessed the nature which was ca- pable of ful€lling divine law. — This argument, although cursorily treated of already, deserves to be still further insisted on and developed. — Adam, as essentially and inherently fleshly, shewed himself unable to comply with the easiest of all conceivable injunctions, by sinking under the most trifling of all conceivable temptations. That is, the mere nature of flesh was overwhelmed by the touch of the little finger of a law which was inherently divine. The prohibition in itself was spiritual, as proceeding from him who is Spirit; but the first Adam to whom it was address- ed w^as fleshly, or possessed of a nature which, as the sequel proved, was totally unable to comply with it. — But Jesus was the Creator, or Lord from heaven, manifest in THE TWO LAWS. 95 flesh. His mind therefore, as spiritual or divine, was qualified both to receive and to fulfil a law which, like himself, was spiritual or divine likewise; — was qualified to bear, not the little finger merely, but the entire weight of divine law when laid upon it in all the extent and inten- sity of its demands. The law of God and the Lord Jesus were thus perfectly suitable to each other. — Divine law had hitherto been requiring obedience in vain ; for crea- tures possessed not a nature qualified to meet and satisfy its demands. But now appeared a being in whom were combined all the powers, faculties, and dispositions, requi- site to yield it entire satisfaction. Nay, even to magnifij it and make it honouriihle. Having thus found in Jesus of Nazareth the being who alone was qualified to obey divine law, why should we look elsewhere for others to whom that law was addressed ? Secondly. The Lord Jesus proved that he was the only being to whom properly speaking the law of Moses had been addressed, not merely by his having been the sole possessor of the qualifications requisite for obeying it, but also by the fact that he himself alone actually did obey it. The law, whenever previously supposed by ordinary human beings to have been addressed to them, had been warning them of their mistake, by their continually finding that it was weak through thejlesh j or that they were unable to obey it, on account of the inherent weakness of their fleshly nature : but at last God, by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, having condemned sin in the flesh, shewed to all who were rendered capable of understanding the subject, that to Jesus the Lord from heaven, and not to any of the ordinary descendants of Adam, had that law all along been addressed. On the cross, the Lord Jesus himself said, it is finished; intimat- ing, that having obeyed the law of God completely himself, he left neither power nor opportunity for any one to obey 96 THE TWO LAWS. it after liim: and by the apostle Paul it is declared, that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that helieveth j intimating, that as Christ was the person to whom alone divine law had been addressed, and by whom alone that law had been fulfilled, he was the end of it, or it found its end or accomplishment in him ; and that as divine law no longer exists, his righteousness or fulfilment of it, and not any personal obedience yielded by themselves, is that in which his believing people stand perfect and ac- cepted before God. Now it seems to me self-evident, that a law which remained unfulfilled until Jesus of Na- zareth made his appearance, and which was so completely obeyed by him as to have had all its claims exhausted and to be consequently incapable of being obligatory since upon any one, must, upon the principle of God doing nothing in vain, have been all along intended for our blessed Lord alone. — But all other evidences of the law from Mount Sinai having been issued to the Lord Jesus only are, in my apprehension, superseded by. Thirdly, the fact, that the very purpose for which a second law was issued, necessarily implied its having been given, not to a creature, but to the Creator manifest in flesh. — Concerning* the first law it has been shewn, that it was imposed on a creature, not that it might be obeyed, but in order to bring out and make manifest the inability of the creature to yield obedience to it. This was an experiment, however, which could not be repeated. Divine wisdom forbade it. The result of Adam's transgression rendered it unnecessary. In the event of another law being pro- mulgated, it must have been with a view, both to do away with the effects of the breach of the first, and also to ac- complish the ulterior purposes for which that breach had taken place. Sin, although it had entered, could not be permitted to retain a permanent station in the dominions of Jehovah. And it could not have been permitted to en- THE TWO LAWS. 97 ter at all, except with a view to the infinitely glorious re- sults of which its temporary entrance and reign were to be productive. In a w^ord, the very reason why a second law behoved to be issued was that it might, by being obeyed, swallow up and obliterate the first ; and all the melancholy and disastrous consequences to which the first had given birth. Now a purpose like this could not have been answered by imposing the second law on a creature. Besides the fact, that by a creature it might, as in the for- mer case, have been violated ; creature obedience, even if rendered, could neither have swallowed up Adam's transgression, nor paved the w^ay for the introduction of a more glorious state of things. God's purpose was not to counterbalance evil with good ; but to overcome evil and swallow it up in good. Who sees not that, with a view to the accomplishment of this latter object, the second law behoved to be imposed, not on a creature^ but on the Creator ? That it required, not to demand obedience from a mind of flesh, but to exact it from a mind of Spirit ? — And that God did so, is exactly what I maintain. I say, that the second law was given, not to any of Adam's ordi- nary descendants, but to Jesus of Nazareth, the Lord from heaven : that, by his divine obedience, creature transgres- sion might be, not merely counterbalanced, but obliterated ; and creature transgression shewn to be subservient, not to the restoration of creatures to the state in which Adam was originally formed and placed, but to the elevation of them to heaven itself; and thereby to the yielding to God of a revenue of glory from the righteousness of his own Son, Avhich from no other source could have accrued. F. What do you understand by the law of God having been given spiritually to Christ? T. By spiritually, I mean really, given to him. Given to him, not in the letter or sense which strikes the mere fleshly mind ; but in the spirit or sense which the law it- N 98 THE TWO LAWS. self really bore, and which, from his mode of fulfilling it, we learn it to have borne. — Let me take as an illus- tration of my meaning the ten commandments. The whole of the Old Testament Scriptures no doubt constituted law to Christ; for he was the word made Jlesh : but the ten commandments will sufficiently answer my purpose. Before, however, pointing out the spiritual fulfilment of these commandments by the Lord Jesus,(whichl will do very briefly, and in the way of hints which you may prosecute and fill up at your leisure,) I beg leave to submit the fol- lowing observation : — that, although the law imposed on Adam was merely prohibitory, not demanding obedience, but forbidding disobedience ; on the contrary, the law im- posed on the Messiah was both prohibitory and impera- tive : that is, it not only forbade to him what was wrong, but it also ordained and required, at his hands, what was right. And it is through having yielded obedience to the law of God in this latter way, tliat the glory of the Lord Jesus principally makes its appearance. He obeyed the law not merely as jyrohibiting disobedience, the form in which divine law had been originally issued to man ; but as a command or series of commands enjoining obedience, a form in which divine law never was, and never could have been, issued to mere man. The subsequent commentary will, as much as possible, combine representations of the fulfilment of divine law by Christ, both in its prohibitory and its commanding forms. The four first commandments respect the duties or ob- ligations under which our Lord came directly to his Hea- venly Father. I. Thou Shalt have no other Gods be- I. The Lord Jesus abstained from the fore (or besides) me. worship of self, the object of every mere man's idolatry naturally; and worshipped the Lord his God, serving him alone. Matt. iv. 10. II. Thou shalt not make unto thee II. He abstained from every mode of any graven image, or any likeness of any worshipping even the living and true THE TWO LAWS. thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth heneaih, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them : for I the Lord thy God am a jea- lous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me : And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my com- mandments. III. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain : for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. God, which the scriptures did not war- rant, and which man might have devised : having yielded obedience to this com- mand of his heavenly father, by fulfilling all the narratives, types, and prophecies concerning himself wliich were contained in the Old Testament Scriptures, or by fulfilling all the Old Testament scrip- tures ; the only way in which God could have been obeyed, and thereby worship- ped, by the Messiah. III. He abstained from every breach of the obligations under wliich he had come, especially from the breach of that all-comprehensive obligation undcrtalcen by himself, Lo ! I come to do thy will, O God! Hebrews x. 7. 9. : and, as having assumed the name of Jehovah, or, in other words, as claiming to be the Mes- siah, God manifest in flesh,he shewed by every action of his life, and especially by his obedience unto death, that he had laot taken the name of God in vain. IV. Until our liOrd's resurrection from the dead, or during the six remarkable aeras preceding that period, his father had been iLwrking, and he also worked; John V. 17; but from the period of his re- surrection, which shewed his work com- plete, he- discontinued working, having entered into his rest, as God did into his ; Hebrews iv, 10 : and now, instead of work- ing in the way of obedience to law, or allowing his church to perform works of obedience to law, which would be to vio- late the spirit of the commandment, he is engaged in bringing the members of his church by faith into the enjoyment of the sabbath or rest, from creature works, upon which he liimself hath entered. Hebrews iv. 1 — 11. So much for those obligations under which Jesus, as tlie Messiah, came to his Heavenly Father directly. The fol- lowing commandments respect the obligations which he took upon himself in regard to both God and man. V. Honour thy father and thy mother : V, Jesus abstained from dishonouring that thy days may be long upon the land equally God his father, and earth, or which the Lord thy God giveth thee. human nature, his mother: on the con- IV. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work : but the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God : in it, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man ser- vant, nor thy maid servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger, that is within thy gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day : where- fore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. 100 THE TWO LAWS. VI. Thou shalt not kill. VII. Thou shall not commit adulteiy. Till. Thou shalt not steal. trary, he honoured his father, hy yielding such an ohedience to the law of God, as magnified it and made it honourable ; and by affording to God an opportunity of glorifying his justice and mercy, as well as all his other perfections, in the salva- tion of man, through his own obedience, death, and resurrection from the dead ; and he honoured his mother, by elevating beings possessed originally of a nature of flesh, to the possession through himself of the nature of God. He hath, therefore, the fullness of blessing, even life at God's right hand for evermore. VI. He abstained from murder ; for he came not to imitate Adam in incur- ring hlood guiltiness, Ps. li. 14., by de- stroying men's lives : Luke ix. 56. : on the contrary he came that we through him might have life, and that we might have it more ahimdanthj. John x. 10. In Adam all die ,• but in Christ, as possessing the very opposite of the murderous character, shall all be made alive. 1 Cor. xv. 22. VII. He abstained from adultery ; for although the Old Testament church was so guilty, as to have justified him in break- ing off his connection with her merely by giving her a writing of divorcement, he was pleased to dissolve the union by the shedding of his own most precious blood ; a crime in the perpetrating of which she was the main instrument : and he obeyed the command positivelj-, by becoming, through his resurrection from the dead, married to another, even to that church which has an everlasting comiection with him, and thereby brings forth fruit unto God. See Rom. vii. 1 — 6. — More briefly : liaving formed a temporary connection with man by appearing in flesh, Jesus obeyed this commandment, by dissolving the connection through his own death, before giving to man that new and more glorious connection with himself which is destined to last for evermore. 2 Cor- inth, v. 21. VIII. Jesus abstained from stealing or robbery of every description ; al- though he accounted it no robbery to he THE TWO LAWS. 101 IX. Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbour. X. Thou shall not covet thy neigh- bour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighboui-'s wife, nor his man-servant, nor Ms maid-servant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. equal with God, yet abstaining, while in flesh, from all assertion of his riglits as the Lord from heaven, or from all vio- lent seizure of the blessings of life ever- lasting : on the contrary, having been content to earn the joys of eternity for himself and others as wages, through his obedience unto death. Phil. ii. 6 11. IX. He abstained from bearing false witness against his neighbour, whether Jew or Gentile; thatis,he abstained from bringing any charge against human be- ings and human nature, which facts did not warrant: on the contrary, as the truth, he always spoke what was true of man, as well as of God ; testifying of the for- mer, that his works were evil ; and of the latter, that he sent not his Son to condemn the world, hut that the icorld through him might he saved. X. He abstained from the coveting of all earthly honours and advantages, and from the desire of all gratifications which were only to be obtained and enjoyed at the expense of others; refusing to he made a king, and having not even where to lag his head : and all this because he came, not to he ministered unto, but to minister; not to covet or possess the things of time, the portion of the children of men, but to give his life a ransomjbr many; and thereby to bestow on the children of men his own portion, even the glories of eter- nity. A summary of the ten commandments, as fulfilled by Christ, may be thus stated : — I. TABLE. Jesus, 1, worshipped, by obeying, God; 2, in his own prescribed way; 3, without failure in the minutest point of duty; and, 4, having entered into his rest, without leav- ing occasion for the performance of any additional act of obedience ; a course of procedure whereby that rest or sabbath would have been violated. II. TABLE. Jesus, 5, honoured not only the Creator, but also the creature; 6, by conferring upon the latter his own life; 7, 102 THE TWO LAWS. through dissolving in himself the connection of the crea- ture with this present world, and imparting to it a higher connection ; 8, not seizing violently, hut paying the ne- cessary and stipulated price for, the favours thus conferred; 9, illustrating thereby the perfect truth of God, in render- ing the execution of deserved punishment upon the creature, consistent with his becoming the participator of heavenly blessings; and, 10, the wliole issuing in, not the desire to receive or the actual reception of any thing by the Crea- tor from the creature, but in the bestowing of every thing by the Creator upon the creature. B. My attention has been drawn lately to the reason- ing of the apostle Paul, in the latter part of the third chapter of his Epistle to the Galatians. Am I right in conjecturing, that it bears a very close affinity to the sub- ject which we are at the present moment discussing ? T. The facts of the case completely bear you out in your conjecture. Nothing can be more marked than the manner in which the passage alluded to by you represents the second law, or law of love, as having been addressed and limited to the Messiah alone. A few observations will suffice to render this apparent. — Have the goodness to keep the New Testament open at the place, and to refer to it, as I proceed. After the apostle has shewn, in Galatians iii. 7, that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham; and hinted that as in the case of Abraham himself, so in that of every other, justification takes place through faith, and not through obedience to law; he anticipates and an- swers an objection which might have been brought forward in opposition to his statement, grounded on the fact that it was not previously, but subsequently, to the period of the promise made to Abraham, that the law was issued from Mount Sinai. "You say," as if the objectors had thus expressed themselves, "that salvation was promised to THE TWO T.AWS. 103 Abraham by grace, through faith alone ; or, in other words, that he had originally a promise of its being uncondition- ally bestowed on himself and others. But how is this to be reconciled with the subsequent promulgation of the law ? a circumstance which seems to imply that, only in conse- quence of certain conditions being performed by the crea- ture, was the blessing in question to be enjoyed?" To this the apostle answers in substance, that the supposed objectors had mistaken the purpose of God in the issuing of the said law altogether. That purpose having been, not to defeat the promise, or to render impossible the con- ferring of spiritual blessings freely in virtue of the pro- mise, but actually to enable God to carry that very promise into effect. If the purpose of God in the issuing of the law had been, that its conditions might either in whole or in part be fulfilled by creatures, then, as if the apostle had said, the law would most unquestionably have been at variance with the promises of God. For a promise of blessings to be bestowed unconditionally upon the crea- ture, as that given to Abraham was, could never, under any circumstances or by any species of management, have been rendered consistent with blessings the conditions of enjoying which were to be fulfilled by creatures. " But what will you think," argues the apostle, "if I shew you, that the law in question was never given to mere man, nor intended to be fulfilled by mere man ? — By faith you are to live and be saved. But a law requiring obedience 'from you as the condition of salvation, would have been incon- sistent with your living by faith. — Mark, then, how won- drously the whole matter is arranged, and the freeness of salvation ultimately and completely secured. The law, the issuing of which subsequently to the promise so much puzzles you, was not imposed on mere men, but on the Son of God manifest in flesh. Certain it is that the law is not of faith, as it ensures the enjoyment of its bles- 104 THE TWO LAWS. slugs not bv being believed in, but by being obeyed ; this being its import, tbat the man that doth them, (tbe works of the law,) shall live in them : and thercsfore it is that Christ, as the very man here spoken of, by his sub- jection and obedience to this law, hath redeemed us from its curse, having been made a curse for us^ See verses 12th and 13th. " Again : I admit," thus the apostle goes on to reason, " that if the inheritance of spiritual blessings be by obe- dience to the law, on the part of mere man, then it is no more of promise. And yet, the inheritance is in reality by promise : for thus God gave it to Abraham. Verse 18th. How is this to be made consistent with its being enjoyed through the medium of law ? Only in one way : namely, that the law was not given to mere men to be obeyed by them, but was ordained by angels in the hands of a mediator. V. 19th. That is, that the law was given to the mediator to be fulfilled by him, and by him alone. Upon this principle," argues the apostle, " the promise having been given, not to seeds, as of many, but to the one seed of Abraham, which is Christ ; the law, in like man- ner, Nvas^imposed, not on many, but on one; even on that same one seed to whom the promise had been given : his personal enjoyment of the blessings of the promise, and the enjoyment of these same blessings by us, having been made to depend on the fulfilment of the law by him alone. Now Jesus hath fulfilled the law thus given to him; and, by so doing, hath procured to himself, as well as secured to us likewise, the accomplishment of the promise. To him, the enjoyment of the promised blessings was necessarily con- ditional J but to us, these blessings flow unconditionally, through him. The reason of the difference between his mode of enjoying these blessings and ours being, that his fulfilment of every condition leaves none to be fulfilled by us." THE TWO LAWS. 105 " Such is an outline of the wondrous scheme of salva- tion. By giving the law to Jesus, the seed of Ahraham, and to him alone, that law has heen completely and most gloriously fulfilled ; — and in consequence of its fulfilment by him, the blessings promised through Abraham's seed by faith are bestowed freely, that is, unconditionally, on us. The fulfilment of the law by the Creator hath en- sured the enjoyment of the blessings of salvation freely by the creature. And thus the entrance of law posterior- ly to the giving of the promise, so far from interfering with or rendering impossible the accomplishment of the pro- mise, has, in consequence of that law having been im- posed on and fulfilled by the Creator, become the very means of the blessing of Abraham, or the blessing freely promised to Abraham, coming on the Gentiles, through Jesus Christ,'' Verse 14th. A similar line of argument is prosecuted by the apostle in the lOtli chapter of the Epistle to the Romans, from the 3d to the 12th verses. But enough of this. — Am I understood ? B. For my part, I can say, perfectly. F. Your allegation is, that as there are only, properly speaking, two men set before us in scripture, viz. Adam and Christ ; the former, of the earth, earthy, the latter, the Lord from heaven ; the former, the type or figure, the lat- ler the anti-type or substance ; the former, a creature, the latter, the Creator : so there are only, properly speaking, two laws represented in scripture as having been issued by God to man, viz. the one consisting of the prohibition as to eating of the fruit of the tree of knorvledge of good and evil, which was addressed to Adam, the former of these two men, in paradise -, — and the other, being the law of love to God and man, which was imposed on the Lord Jesus by the instrumentality of Moses and the prophets : the violation of the former of these laws by Adam, having 106 THE TWO LAWS. brouglit in sin and death, and entailed npon all his fleshly posterity guilt and punishment; — and the fulfilment of the latter of them by the Lord Jesus, having introduced right- eousness and life everlasting, blessings in which his spirit- ual posterity are, by virtue of their union with him, made freely and fully and gloriously to participate. Your further allegation is, that as Adam was the wicked man, so all his natural posterity, as one with him, consti- tute the wicked; and tliat as Jesus was the righteous man, so all liis spiritual posterity, as one with him, constitute the righteous. All this I fully comprehend. And I have made the preceding statements in order to shew you that I do so. B. But, David, there is one thing about which I want to be satisfied. You have said, and I think proved, that no man naturally can obey any divine law, in consequence of the Jleshly mind, the only mind which human beings naturally possess, being enmity against God; heiug neither subject to his law, nor, indeed, able to be so : and that, therefore, the law enjoining love to God and man was not given to mere man naturally. You have also, in so far as my feeble judgment can decide in a matter of this kind, established your position, that the law of love was given to Christ and fulfilled by him. Surely, however, brother, not exclusively ? If I allow that mankind naturally are not subject to the law which requires perfect love to God, and equal love to man ; surely you will not deny, that the people of Christ are spiritually subject to that law, and are by grace enabled to obey it ? T. I do deny, in the simplest, the most emphatic, and the most unqualified, terms that I can make use of, that any one, except the Lord Jesus, ever was, or is, or will be, subject to tlie law which prescribes supreme love to God, and equal love to man : nay, I go farther, and assert, that no person bearing the fleslily form, ever was, or is, or THE TWO LAWS. 107 will be, capable of being subjected to tbat law, except tbe Lord Jesus during tbe period of bis abode in flesb. F. In tbe name of wonder, wbat do you mean, Thom? T. Just wbat I say ; tbat, according to tbe sacred volume, to tbe law imposing tbe obligation to love God and man, no one, except Cbrist, ever was, or will be, or can be subjected. And as tbe law was given to Jesus alone, so be became the end of it ; or tbe law came to an end in liim by means of bis fulfilment of it. Wben tbe Creator manifest in flesb exclaimed, it is finished, be left notbing for us creatures to add to bis work. His obedience to tbe law of love is our rigbteousness : a rigbteousness wbicb, as divine, is susceptible neitber of increase nor of diminution. — Can I express myself more distinctly or in- telligibly, in reference to tbis matter, tban I bave done ? B. Certainly not : only I sbould like to know liow you reconcile your denial of God's law being obligatory upon believers, witb tbe language of tbe apostle in tbe eigbtb cbapter of tbe Epistle to tbe Romans, tbat the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Does not tbe inspired writer mean to say here, tbat be was set free from one law, by being brought under the obligation of another law P Is not tbat other law the law of love P And, is not tbe privilege which he here asserts as his own, common to him with all the members of the specially-redeemed family ? T. Really, brother, you put me to my mettle. You come at once, and admirably, to the point; and that is saying a vast deal more tban can be affirmed with truth of nine hundred and ninety nine out of every thousand theo- logians, or would-be theologians, with whom one is ordin- arily brought into contact. In answer to your queries : — Do you happen to remem- ber a remark made by me some time since — a remark con- cerning a subject as to which, I observed, I so far agreed lOS THE TWO LAWS. with Mr. Robert Owen, who has been unconsciously borrowing his notion from scripture — that the nature of every being constitutes the law to whicli that being is subject ? That as the natures of the rat, the cat, and the dog, are the laws to which tliese animals respectively are subject; so the fleshly nature of man is the law to which he is originally and exclusively subject ? A xiew for which I confess myself indebted to the teaching of tlie Holy Ghost, through the medium of the truths opened up in the 7th and 8th chapters of the Epistle to the Romans. B. I both remember your statement as to the nature of every being constituting the law of that being, and I cheerfully acquiesce in it. But how does it bear upon our present subject ? T. This I now proceed to shew you. Assuming as true the principle which you have just ad- mitted, the nature of Adam was the law of Adam, and the nature of Christ in flesh was the law of Christ in flesh. Adam's nature consisted in subjection to the law of flesh, and opposition to the law of God ; whereas Christ's nature consisted in subjection to the law of God, and opposition to the law of flesh. The reason of this difference being, tliat earth was the origin of Adam's nature, heaven of Clu'ist's nature ; the former having been of' the earth, earthy, the latter the Lord from heaven : and that, therefore, to earth or flesh as his sovereign, the former was subject ; while to heaven or spirit as his sovereign, the latter owed alleg- iance. As the nature of Adam was fleshly, the law, the only law, to which he was or could be subject, was the law of flesh ; whereas the nature of Jesus having been spi- ritual in the form of fleshly, the law, the only law, to which he was or could be subject, was spiritual, or the law of God adapted to the fleshly form. — I speak just now of the Son of God as manifest in flesh. And my object is to shew, that as Adam's nature, which was fleshly, consti- THE TWO LAWS. 109 tuted the law to which Adam was subject ; so the nature of Christ, while on earth, which was spiritual in the fleshly form, constituted the lam to which Christ, while on earth, was subject. Speaking of his earthly nature, then, as a nature essentially subject to tlie law of God, and as thereby distinguished from the nature of Adam which was a nature essentially subject to the law of flesh, Jesus could with truth say, addressing his Heavenly Father, Tliy law is within my heart ; that is, " as spiritual myself, subjection to thy law which is spiritual constitutes my very nature." But, strange as ignorance of it may appear, it is never- theless a fact not generally known, that the Lord Jesus as appearing on earth, and as reigning in heaven, has two perfectly distinct natures ; or, rather, that the one nature of the Lord Jesus has appeared under two perfectly distinct forms. First, under an earthly form; and secondly, un- der a heavenly one. — The earthly form of the nature of the Lord Jesus was peculiar to himself. This is a fact which not one soi-disant divine in a thousand has ever even suspected ; and hence the blunderings respecting the subjection of believers to divine law with which all, or nearly all, systems of theology are over-run and render- ed ridiculous. The earthly form of Christ's nature was subject to divine law ; but this state of subjection was be- gun and ended with liimself. It commenced when he be- came incarnate ; it was brought to an end when lie ex- pired on the cross. He sacrificed it, in sacrificing him- self. And as sacrificed, as terminated in him, it was never afterwards either to be resumed by himself, or to be conferred by him upon others. — With the second, or heavenly form of his nature, it was that Jesus arose from the dead ; and it is with this second, or heavenly form, that he lives and reigns for evermore. This second, or heavenly form of his nature, is not subject to divine law ; because it is lovej or the very principle of divine law itself. 110 THE TWO LAWS. Subject to divine law he appeared in tlie first form of his nature, that is, while in flesh ; but in love or the heavenly form of his nature, has subjection to divine law or the earthly form of his nature, (through tlie medium of his death, resurrection from the dead, and ascension upon high,) been swallowed up. As subjection to divine law was the temporary form of his nature while on eartli ; so love, or a state of triumph over law as well as sin and death, is the form of liis nature now and for evermore. Now it is the earnest of this second or heavenly form of liis divine nature which the Messiah, through faith, com- municates to us his chosen people. He makes us partakers, as to our consciences, of his own present nature. Ephes. ii. 5. 6, Tlie reason being, that the earthly form of his na- ture, as having been sacrificed on the cross and swallowed up in liis resurrection, no longer exists ; and, therefore, is not in his power to bestow. Hence it is, that when a spirit- ual view of the resurrection of Christ is by himself caus- ed with power to enter into, and take possession of, our con- sciences, the nature ofjieshly mind is, in so far as the divine communication extends, absorbed and swallowed up in the nature of spiritual mind. Previous subjection to the law of flesh, (not subjection to the law of God, for that was peculiar to Christ when on earth,) is swallowed up in love ; sense of sin, is swallowed up in divine righteousness; and fear of death, is swallowed up in the knowledge and possession of life everlasting. John xi. 25. 26. That is, the very same effects which took place in the resurrection of Christ, take place through faith in our consciences. As, in Christ's resurrection, creature principles were swal- lowed up in such as are divine; subjection to law, in love; sin, in righteousness; and death, in life everlasting: so in our consciences, through faith in his resurrection, creature principles are swallowed up in such as are divine likewise; law sin and death, in love righteousness and life everlast- THE TWO LAWS. Ill ing. We are not through faith in Christ's resurrection made subject to divine law ; but we are thereby made partalers of a resurrection spirit, as in us the earnest of a new di- vine and heavenly nature or principle, Ephes. i. 1 7. — 20. Indeed, see from i. 17, to ii. 12. In this way, then, the entering of spiritual views into our minds does not render us subject to divine law, and lay Its under obligations to fulfil it, as is commonly but erroneously supposed : seeing that, if it did so, it would impart to us, not the form of the nature of Christ now, but the form of the nature which he had while he was upon earth; and, besides, would compel us to attempt becoming our own saviours, instead of enabling us to rejoice in that salvation which he himself hath accomplished. On the contrary, the entering of spiritual views into our minds, being the manifestation to us of our necessary and indes- tructible union with Christ ; and, consequently, of his righteousness being our righteousness, and of liis life being our life ; but, above all, of his complete fulfilment of divine law having superseded the necessity and even pos- sibility of our being called on to fulfil divine law ourselves; we find ourselves, not as Christ on earth was, subject to divine law, but as Christ now is, raised above law : partalc- ers in earnest of the present nature of him, in whom it hath pleased the Father that all the fulness of grace and truth sJiould dwell. And thus the new mind, or earnest of the divine nature which is imparted to our consciences, is a law to us, not in tlie sense of our being as partakers of human nature subjected to divine commands; butin the sense of the spiritual discoveries made to us constituting in us a new nature : the nature of every being constituting, as we have seen, the law of that being. The nature of Adam wliicli we originally have is, as our nature, a law of sin and death, because it constrained Adam to sin and die; and the nature of Christ as exalted to glory, which by 112 THE TWO LAWS. grace is bestowed on us who believe, is, as our nature, tlie law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, because it con- strains us, as alive with our liead and with him raised above prohibitions and commands, to live not unto our^ selves, but unto him that died for us, and that rose again. 2 Cor. V. 14. 15. See also Ephes. ii. 5. 6. If understood in the remarks which I have made, it will appear, that the manifestation to us of Christ as having died and risen again, or the imparting to us of the earnest of the spirit of life, is a law to us, just in the very same sense in which any other nature is« law to the being who is possessed of it. That is, as the nature of every being is in it a law not restraining from any thing, but constraining it to pro- duce effects and exhibit phenomena corresponding to that nature; so faith, or the earnest of the divine nature, is in us who believe a law, not restraining from something upon which that nature is bent, but constraining us to bring forth fruits and act in a manner corresponding to that nature. As that which is born of the flesh, or under the influence of the law of fleshly nature, is flesh; so that which is born of the spirit, or under the influence of the law of spiritual nature, is spirit. John iii. 6. To present in an abridged form what I have just said in reference to this matter. — There are three intelliorent o natures, and, consequently, three laws, to which intelligent beings have been, are, or may be, subject, set before us in scripture : — 1. There is the nature of Adam, consisting in subjection to the law of flesh. 2. There is the nature which Christ had while upon earth; consisting in subjection to the law of divine prohibitions and commands. And, 3, there is the nature which Christ has now; consisting in subjection to itself as being its own law. — Now if the preceding observations have been compre- hended, it must be evident, 1st, that no mere human being ever is, or can be, subject to God's law as a command: for THE TWO LAWS. 113 naturally, he is subject to the law of flesh ; and spiritually, he is subject to the law of love operating, not as a command^ but as a principle, imparted to and dwelling in his con- science by faith : Christ alone, while in flesh, having pos- sessed a nature which was subject to God's law as a com- mand or series of commands enjoining obedience. And, 2dly, that the communicating to the elect people of God of the knowledge of Jesus's character as the risen and glo- rified Messiah, is not the relieving of them from subjection to the law of flesh, in order to make them, subject to the law of God, viewed as a command or series of commands : but is the swallowing up in their consciences of the nature which consists in subjection to the law of flesh, in the nature which consists in love or the mind of God himself; which as a nature, and not by imposing upon us in opposi- tion to our nature an obligation to obey commands, consti- tutes the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. — In short, of the three intelligent natures, and the three corresponding laws, just spoken of, believers have to do only with the 1st and the 3d ; the first, naturally, and the third, superna- turally : the 2d, or the nature of subjection to divine law, as a command or series of commands, having been peculiar to our blessed Lord during his abode upon earth ; and, as such, having begun with his incarnation and ended with his atoning sacrifice. B. That is, to express your idea after my own fashion, and with a view to the clearing up of my own mind in regard to this profound and intricate subject, the law which sets believers free from guilt, and from their previous sub- jection to the law of flesh, is not a new law, in the sense of its being a new prohibition or command, such as were the laws imposed on Adam, and the Lord Jesus during his earthly state; but is a new nature constituting, like every other nature, a law to him by whom it is possessed. This new nature or new law, in so far as it is conferred and p 114 THE TWO LAWS. • possessed, by the very fact of its entering into his con- science sets the believer free from his former old nature, which constituted his old law. Give me leave to make another attempt to convince you, that I have apprehended your views in reference to this subject. — As no human being ever had an oppor- tunity of disobeying divine law, but Adam ; so no being, in the form of man, ever had an opportunity of obeying divine law, but Christ. Adam's guilt is not ours by our disobeying divine law as he did, for no one being subject to a divine prohibition as he was, no one can sin after the similitude of his ti-ansgression ; but it is ours by our in- heriting his nature : so Christ's righteousness is not ours by our obeying divine law as he did, for no one being subject to the law of God as a command or series of commands as he was, no one can yield obedience after the similitude of his righteousness ; but it is ours by our being made par- takers of his nature. And as the nature of flesh, or nature which in Adam disobeyed divine law, is the law to which we are naturally and necessarily subject — which alone we bring into the world with us, and which alone, unless sove- reign grace interfere and prevent, we carry out with us likewise ; so the nature of Spirit, or nature which in Christ obeyed divine law, is that which, giving us liberty from the other, brings us into sweet and pleasing subjection to itself. In the very act of being made free from sin, we become the servants or slaves of righteousness. Rom. vi. 18. As believers, we got rid of our fleshly nature as to the conscience, in consequence of its having been superseded by and swallowed up in a spiritual nature. And thus it is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, or earnest of the divine nature, which, being introduced into our con- sciences, sets us free so far from human nature, or the law of sin and death. T. Precisely so. Blessed be God, you now perceive, THE TWO LAWS. 115 that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus is neither a prohibition or command, nor a series of prohibitions or commands, addressed to a conscience still in a feshly state, with a view to the improvement of that conscience; (absurd, and yet common, supposition \) ; much less to a conscience enUghlened and made new by grace, upon which, as righteous, it is impossible for laws in the sense of prohibitions or commands to be imposed ; Galatians v. 23 ; 1 Timothy i. 5. 9 : but that it is the present nature and mind of Christ Jesus, as having himself fulfilled the law of God, superinduced on the -believer s conscience, or, rather, rendered the very mind, conscience, and nature, of the believer ; and, like every other nature, constituting in him a lam or principle to which he is, not by the will or choice of his fleshly mind, but of necessity and by the formation in him of a divine will or choice, gloriously subject. F. In a word, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus to which believers are subjected, and by which they are made free from the law of sin and death, is not, ac- cording to you, a divine command addressed to their fieshly consciences, and requiring obedience from these; but is the earnest of the divine nature as a law taking hold of, swallowing up, and thereby superseding, their naturally fleshly consciences ? T. So, on the ground of inspired authority, do I main- tain. Sin, says Paul addressing believers, shall not have dominion over you : for ye are not under the law, as im- posing a series of prohibitions and commands on a fleshly nature which is unable to yield them obedience; but under grace, as being partakers through faith of the divine na- ture, and thereby constrained to live, not nnto yourselves, but unto God. F. Admitting for the sake of argument, Thom, that all this is true, what explanation do you give of the moral 116 THE TWO LAWS. condition of those who are destitute of the knowledge of the gospel ; and, consequently, of the earnest of a spiritual nature ? — I understand you when you say, that Christ alone was by nature subject to the law of God; and that by him that law, after having been fulfilled to the very uttermost, was exhausted by the sacrifice of himself. I understand you when you allege that, as Christ himself, having not only obeyed but exhausted and swallowed up divine law, is not subject to that law now, he appearing on liigh as love, the great fountain of law, and thereby law's superior ; so his obedience to, or rather exhaustion and swallowing up of law, becomes to those who are enabled to perceive their oneness with him as he now is, their obedience to, or rather exhaustion of law likewise : and that thus in them, not subjection to divine law, which was Christ's case on earth ; but possession of the earnest of love or the divine nature, the full possession of which is Christ's case now; is, in so far as their consciences are concerned, their nature and the principle by which they are actuated. I say, I understand all this. — But whence, under such circumstances, are the unregenerate portion of the family of man to draw their morality ? Indeed, what foundation for the morals of ordinary, human beings does your system admit of ? T. The length to which this conversation has already been drawn out, and my desire to brihg under your notice one or two other important topics before we part, preclude my giving you a detailed answer to your query. Suffice it to say that as every man, while ignorant of the gospel, is properly speaking his own god; so every man's own conscience, or conviction of right and wrong, is the moral tribunal to which, while so situated, he is amenable. From this observation of mine you will of course perceive, that I do not rank the natural conscience of man so very high as writers on the subject of religion THE TWO LAWS. 117 generally do. Instead of confounding the dictates of natural conscience, with the lam of God itself, I main- tain, taught by the sacred scriptures, that natural con- science is merely the highest form which the fleshly mind of man is capable of assuming : that it is not God him- self prescribing laws to the individual, but the mind of the individual, as the shadow and image of the mind of God, prescribing laws to itself, and judging itself according to the laws thus prescribed ; and that, therefore, subjection to the dictates of natural conscience, is subjection to the dictates of fleshly mind merely. Observe what I say. My natural conscience is merely my own mind, in the exercise of its self-legislative capacity, prescribing laws to itself: and although in this I observe the shadow of divine authority — man being made even naturally in, or after, the image of God — I am too well instructed by the Holy Spirit, to confound the mere shadow of divine author- ity, with the substance. — Still, natural conscience is most useful, — aye, not to be dispensed with, — in the absence of higher principle. Its accusings and excusings,^ as they are to the mere fleshly mind its only rule of morals, so do they constitute also the safeguard of society. And sorry should I be to attempt to disturb or undermine them, except by the proclamation of that gospel which, whenever it takes eflect in any individual and not other- wise, is the superseding of natural conscience, by the swallowing of it up in a higher, even a divine, principle. — But enough. Have you understood — F. More puzzling theories ! It seems to me as if you had determined to be a perfect QEdipus. — What do you mean by alleging, that man is not amenable naturally to any law but that of his own conscience ? Is he not subject to the ten commandments ? Is he not subject to the various laws which God hath seen meet at various times to prescribe and enforce ? * Horn. ii. 14. 15, 118 THE TWO LAWS. T. Again I must decline entering upon this subject at length. Indeed, your questions have virtually received an answer already. But that I may appear to exhibit no defect of courtesy, and may embrace the opportunity which you have thrown in my way of clearing up what may have been obscure in my previous statements, I remark briefly : — That mankind as a whole, or if you will the Gentile portion of mankind, never were, and never will be, sub- jected to more than one divine law. That law was the prohibition which was given to Adam in Paradise, and which by him was violated. Since then the Gentiles have been subjected to no divine law, and never will be sub- jected to any. The gospel comes, not imposing law in the shape of prohibitions or commands on the conscience of the believer ; but setting him free from law of this kind, in consequence of imparting to him by faith the principle of love, or earnest of the divine nature. And this, to the degree and extent to which it is conferred, is a law to him, in no other sense than that in which any and every nature constitutes a law to the being who is possessed of it. As to the unbelieving portion of the family of man, they are now under no divine law. The law of Moses was never addressed to them ; never imposed on them ; never, in any of the senses explained by me, intended to be obliga- tory on them. In a word. Gentiles have nothing wliat- ever to do with this law, in the way of being subjected to it. The law of Moses was confined to the Jews alone; and confined to them, from the period of its promulgation from Mount Sinai, to that of its fulfilment by the Lord of Glory. Rather, from its original promulgation at Sinai, until the final and irretrievable rejection of Jesus as the fulfiUer of it, by his stubborn and unbelieving kinsmen. Since that period the natural conscience of the Jew, no less than of the Gentile, has been to him his only law. If, in the exercise of his self-legislative capacity, either the one or the THE TWO LAWS. 119 other shall he pleased to take any of the laws which were typically given to the Jews, but really imposed on Christ; or to devise any laws of his own, and to impose them upon himself; the obligations so imposed no doubt become laws to him. But they are not laws imposed by God: they are merely laws imposed by his own conscience acting as its own god, and arrogating to itself the attributes and pre- rogatives of divine authority. I may impose on myself naturally the ten commandments; or I may attempt to subject myself to the spiritual explication of them given in Matthew v — vii; or I may issue to myself any other laws that I please : and I may say, nay, I may fancy, that it is to the authority of the living and true God I am subject. But in all this I am merely deceiving myself. For it is J, not God, who am all the while the imposer of such laws. The whole is merely an operation of my own conscience, acting as its own • legislator and its own judge. God, in the gospel, is not imposing law, but proclaim- ing his own character as love. And this, through the medium of proclaiming the complete obedience to law which has been rendered by his well beloved Son. The gospel saves, and the gospel operates on the conscience, not by imposing law in the sense of commands or prohi- bitions ; but by being believed in, and thereby becoming^ the earnest of the divine nature, or the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Matters thus revert to the position from which I set out,, ihat upon the family of man, as a whole, never was more than one divine law, namely, the prohibition addressed to- Adam, imposed; and that, consequently, for human beings to imagine or pretend that God is now imposing any divine law upon them, over and above the nature which he has given them, — except that earnest of the divine nature which he bestows on his people, — is for them grossly to» mistake his purpose and deceive themselves. Man, as 120 THE TWO LAWS. being naturally his own god, is naturally amenable to the law of his own conscience, not to the law of God. Having thus explained myself, allow me to propose that question which I was about to do when you interrupted me, viz. have you understood F. Excuse me for again interrupting you. My an- xiety to obtain satisfaction in regard to this all-important subject must plead my apology. If I have not misappre- hended you, the deliverance which Christ, by conferring the earnest of the divine nature, grants to the minds of Gentile believers, is not deliverance from the law of God ; for that you say they are not subject to : but deliverance from na- tural conscience, as the highest law of their fleshly nature ; from the various prohibitions and commands which con- science, in the exercise of its legislative authority, has seen meet to issue 3 and from the uneasiness occasioned by that violation of its dictates which conscience, sitting as judge, is constrained from time to time to pronounce. T. You have in some measure, but not quite, under- stood me. Jesus grants deliverance by faith to his people, 1st, from the guilt of Adam's sin, the one transgression of human nature ; and 2dly, from all that sense of guilt and dread of future punishment, of wliich our personal violations of conscience, the lawgiver of each individual's own mind, have been productive. — And this deliverance is communi- cated, by our being enabled to see, first, that human na- ture, which had only a shadowy existence in Adam and has only a similar existence in his posterity, had a real and substantial existence in Christ Jesus; Rom. v. 14; 1 Corinth xv. 45. 47 : and, secondly, that by the com- plete obedience of Christ Jesus, and by the sacrifice of the nature which yielded that obedience, there have been an extinction and swallowing up, not only of the real and substantial human nature of our Lord, but also of our shadowy human nature as necessarily involved in it, as THE TWO LAWS. 121 well as of all the effects and consequences which have flowed from our possession of the shadoivy human nature. Hebrews ix. 26. 1 Corinth, xv. 54. 2 Corinth, v. 4. That is, human nature as it existed in Adam, and sin and death with all the other effects of tliis human nature, we perceive to have been mere shadows : these shadows we perceive to have been taken up into, and absorbed in, the substantial humanity of Christ : and, consequently, in sacrificing his own substantial nature, we perceive him to have sacrificed also our shadowy nature, with all that is connected with it and implied in it ; just as in rising from the dead, we perceive him to have raised us in himself likewise. And thus it is that, as one with and involved in the substantial humanity of the Lord Jesus, we see that his death, was our death ; that his life, is our life. Rom. vi. 3—11. Col. iii. 3. 4. That we are delivered by faith from the condemnation of conscience, as the highest part of the law of our fleshly nature ; and not from the condemnation of the law of God, as if that law had been the law of our nature; is plain from this, that the Lord Jesus, who alone of all that wear the human form was subject to the law of God by nature, was delivered from that law, not by an arbitrary act of his Heavenly Father, but by his being obedient unto it, even unto death. A fact which evidently implies, that had we ourselves been subject to divine law by nature, we could iiave obtained deliverance from it only by yielding an entire and personal obedience to it likewise. — Indeed, in connection with this subject never let it be forgotten, that the reason why the one transgression of Adam could have been expiated or atoned for was, that the divine prohibi- tian issued to him was not according but in opposition to his nature. He owed allegiance to the law of flesh, be- fore the single law of God was addressed to him. A sin committed by him against a law, which was thus foreign Q 122 THE TWO LAWS. to his nature;, was expiable ; not so, had it been commit- ted by him in opposition to the law of God, as the law of his own nature. I again proceed to inquire, for the third time, do you remember, and have you understood, the distinctions which I have already laid down, between righteousness and wickedness? and between the righteous and the wicked ? F. Yes. Adam was the wicked man; and Jesus was the righteous man. Adam was wicked, as having been the violator of the first law, or single divine prohibition ; and Jesus was righteous, as the fulfiller and exhauster of the second law, or divine command to love God and man. Adam's wickedness sprang from his nature having been that of a mere creature, and as such unable to obey the law of his own conscience, much less the law of the Crea- tor ; Jesus's righteousness sprang from his having been possessed of the nature of the Creator, and as such able to obey the law of the Creator. Adam's wicked nature is transmitted by him to all his fleshly descendants ; Christ's righteous nature is shared iu with him by all his spiritual posterity. B. All this I think my brother has most clearly and satisfactorily demonstrated. And he will now, perhaps, have the goodness to shew us how it contributes towards the establisliment of his theory of Universalism. T. With all my heart, Robert. Indeed, in the ques- tion whicli I just now proposed to our friend here, and which he has so distinctly answered, I was preparing the way for doing so. It is now understood and admitted on both sides, tlien, that Adam and his posterity constitute the wicked, as being possessors of the nature which broke one divine law; and that Christ and his posterity constitute the righteous, as being possessors of the nature which kept another divine law. — Now do these two heads and their two posterities THE TWO LAWS. 123 consist, thiuk you, of two distinct classes of individuals ? F. They are, as to their natures, evidently distinct from each other. T. True. But that is not an answer to my question. What I want to know is, was Adam a being totally distinct from and independent of Christ ? or was he merely the type figure and shadow of Christ, and as such involved in him ? And are Adam's posterity distinct from and inde- pendent of Christ's posterity ? or are they, as mere shadows, involved in the posterity of Christ as constituting their substances ? B. I confess, David, that I do not quite understand you. T. Probably not. F. As little, I am sure, do I. T, Well, then, I will throw my question into such a form as both of you will, in all likelihood, more readily apprehend. Were Adam and Jesus both creatures ? or were they both Creators ? F. Why do you ask such a question ? Adam, for- sooth, was but a creature ; Jesus Avas the Creator manifest in flesh. T. Very well. Then had the creature Adam an ex- istence which was independent of that of the Creator, Christ Jesus ? Or, was the existence of the former the creature, involved in that of the latter the Creator ? F. There needs no witch to answer a question like this. The existence of a creature, so far from being indepen- dent of, must, from the very nature of things and neces- sity of the case, be dependent on and involved in that of the Creator. So thought, and so reasoned, the apostle Paul ; for this is his language w^hen addressing the philo- sophic Athenians : Li him, that is, in the Creator, ive live, and move, and have our being. Acts xvii. 28. T. So, then, we have ascertained that abstractlv, as hav- 124 THE TWO LAWS. ing been merely a creature ; no less than as matter of fact, as having been merely a figure or shadow ; Adam had not an existence separate from that of the Lord Jesus, the Cre- ator and substance. His existence, therefore, and that of the Lord Jesus are, or rather is, in reality and at bottom one and the same. And just so with the respective poster- ities of the one and the other. Adam's posterity, as pos- sessed of a creaturely and shadowy nature, have no ex- istence, except what is dependent on and swallowed up in the existence of Christ's posterity, as possessed of the divine and substantial nature. In other words, Adam's posterity and Christ's posterity, although possessed of two distinct natures, do not constitute two distinct classes of indivi- duals; but are the same class of individuals appearing with two different natures, and under two different forms. Wicked, as creatures ; righteous, as partakers of the na- ture of the Creator. F. Strange ! that one set of beings, should be likewise another set of beings ! T. Not more strange, surely, is the view which I have just presented, than the declaration of the apostle, that as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Cor. xv. 49. The obvious paraphrase of which is, that, as we have appeared in the character and capacity of the first Adam's descen- dants, we shall also appear in the character and capacity of the second Adam's descendants. As we have appeared clothed with the nature of the creature, we shall also appear clothed with the nature of the Creatorl'-^My dear friend, T am sure, has no intention to assert that the Spirit of God, speaking by the mouth of the apostle, was a less competent judge in matters of this kind, than is either be or I. F. I must confess that the passage which you have just quoted, and the doctrine which is clearly implied; nay THE TWO LAWS. 125 expressed, iu it, namely, that one and the same class of persons are both Adam's posterity, and Christ's posterity, had escaped my notice. But how is it that Christ saves, by rendering them his posterity, those who stand condemn- ed as Adam's posterity ? T. By swallowing up their Adamic or creature nature, in his own divine nature. F. You perfectly astonish me ! According to this view of matters, if I have not misapprehended you, the creature nature of Adam is not saved at all ! T. Rather say, the creature nature of Adam is not saved or preserved as tvhat it is. In so far as it is a creature nature, it sprang from the dust and to the dust it returns. But inasmuch as this creature nature became one, or rather was for temporary purposes manifested as one, with the divine nature in the person of our blessed Lord, it is saved, not by continuing a creature nature — for as a creature nature it was sacrificed in him on the cross — but by its change or conversion in him, through the medium of his resurrection, into the divine nature. F. Although entirely new to me, there is something very striking in your theory. T. The whole subject of salvation when tolerably understood, although disclosing depths which shall never be thoroughly fathomed by the creature mind, is yet seen to be distinguished by a simplicity and a beauty that are truly refreshing. — Adam and Jesus appear, the one at the top, and the other at the bottom, of the creature nature. In the former, a mere creature, it begins; in the latter, the Creator manifest in flesh, it ends. To the for- mer, the creature, at a period subsequent to his existence, a single divine prohibition is given ; upon the latter, the Creator, long previous to his appearance in flesli, an obligation, in the shape of a command to love God su- premely and his neighbour us himself, is imposed. By 126 THE TWO LAWS. the former, the law given to him is violated, and sin and death enter ; hy the latter, the law imposing upon him love to God and man is obeyed, and by means of his obedience to it even unto death, that is, to the sacrifice of flesh and blood in himself, righteousness and life everlasting are in- troduced. By the transgression 'of the former, creature righteousness came to an end, and sin thenceforward was confirmed as the portion of the human family ; by the voluntary sacrifice of the latter, divine righteousness also came to an end, in the sense of its performer being no longer subject to law and consequently no longer in a capacity to obey it, but his righteousness, as complete, was thenceforward confirmed as the portion of the divine family for ever. Through the one transgression of the former, death reigns over himself and all his posterity ; through the one righteousness of the latter, grace reigns to the conferring of eternal life on himself and on all his posterity. Through the one transgression of the former, that is, of the creature, sin and death so attach to and acquire so firm a hold on the creature nature as that, while the creature nature lasts, sin and death must be their inevitable portion ; but by the one righteousness of the latter, that is, of the Creator, the creature nature, the law to which it was subjected, and the breach of that law, are all so completely done away with and obliterated, that, like drops of water thrown into the ocean, they are, in that divine righteousness and in the divine life which is inse- parably connected with it, or, in a word, in the divine nature of the Lord Jesus, swallowed up and engulphed for ever. But now mark, lest there should be any misunderstanding of what I have said : — 1. That the Creator does not appear in flesh for the purpose of interfering with, and ob- structing the execution of, the penalty of suiferings and death originally denounced against transgression ; on the THE TWO LAWS. 127 contrary, he appears to sliew his conviction of the rectitude and suitableness of that penalty, by undergoing it himself in his pure Jlesh and blood body. Had he saved any one from the penalty denounced against transgression, God's truth in threatening that penalty, and his other attributes, could not have been preserved inviolate. — 2. As the Creator in whom all live, and move, and have their being, Jesus, when he appeared in flesh, had all human be- ings, or more correctly human nature itself, substantialized in him : that is, he appeared as the anti-type of the first Adam, whose shadowy oneness with all mankind, as inhe- ritors of his nature, was but a figure of the 7'eal and sub- stantial oneness of all human beings with Jesus, as their Creator. Adam was the shadowy man ; Jesus was the substantial man; or, rather, in one word, the man. Jesus grasped, took hold of, and comprehended, as it were, in the Holy thing which was conceived and born of the Virgin Mary, Adam and the whole human race. — 3. Having ex- hibited a fleshly nature for once in himself pure and spot- less ; — having obeyed divine law, as far as he could obey it while retaining his earthly life ; — Jesus then perfonned his last and crowning act of obedience to the command- ment which he had received of the father, by the sacri- fice or destruction of his fleshly nature : the sacrifice or destruction of it having been, in reality, from its having been substantialized in him, the sacrifice or destruction of human nature ; and that nature having thus, by his death, been brought to an end in himself. In other words, in sacrificing or destroying himself, he, in con- sequence of their oneness with him, sacrificed or de- stroyed all who are partakers of Adam's nature. — And, 4, Jesus rose from the dead, not with a nature of flesh and blood, but with human nature, that is, witli the nature of every human being, swallowed up by himself in his own divine nature. This he alone, as the Crea- 128 THE TWO LAWS. tor, was capable of effecting : the very circumstance of his having been the Creator enabling him to do away with and extirpate sin, not, as, seems to be the common idea, by balancing his own righteousness against it ; but, as is fact, by swallowing up sin as an affection of a mere creature, in righteousness as a quality or attribute of himself the glorious Creator. B. How you delight me with this representation of things, David ! T. Happy am I to hear you say so, my dear brother. Now you begin to apprehend why two laws were given : one law to the creature, to be broken by liim ; another law to the Creator appearing in the form of the creature, to be fulfilled by him. Yes. It is the fact of Jesus having been the Creator, and of his having as such swallowed up in himself the creature nature and all that has proceeded from that nature, which constitutes the glory of his salva- tion. Had he been a creature, his creature righteousness could have availed nothing towards the effacing of pre- viously contracted creature guilt. It could merely at the utmost have been a set-off against it, and have on earth benefited himself. But having been the Creator manifest in flesh, every thing that appertains to the creature comes to an end in him. Law is ended, by liis fulfilment and exhaustion of it ; sin is ended, as having been swallowed up in his righteousness ; and death is ended, by its having flowed into him, the ocean as well as fountain of life everlasting. Nay, even the nature of the creature itself is ended, as having found its appropriate euthanasia in him whose nature is that of the glorious Creator. — He terminates human nature, because mercy, no less than jus- tice and truth, required it to die. And, having brought that nature to an end in himself on the cross, he commu- nicates to those who have previously been partakers of it, his own divine nature : doing this, not only without any THE TWO LAWS. 129 violation of, but in tlie strictest consistency with, tlioso same glorious attributes wliicli had imperiously demanded the sacrifice of human nature. Having made himself one with us for a time, by his appearance in flesh, he, through his sacrifice of our nature, his assumption of his own, and his communication of it to us, makes us one with him- self for ever. In this salvation of his which consists, not in the preservation or perpetuating of human nature as such, but in the sacrifice or destruction of it; and in the making of those who are now partakers of it new in him- self, by giving them his own divine nature, all are sharers. B. All this I fully comprehend. T. Do you? Then let me just make a remark or two concerning that salvation which is peculiar to the church, as distinguished from the common salvation ; and thereby bring this long and tedious conversation to a close. You have by this time observed, that salvation is ac- complished, not by the preservation of the creature nature, or by one creature remedying the defects of another; but by the stream of human nature flowing onwards and down- wards, until at last it runs into and is swallowed up by one, who, although he appears in the likeness of a creature, is nevertheless the Creator himself clothed with flesh. The creature nature having transgressed divine law, and thereby shewn itself to be unworthy of everlasting exist- ence upon earth, much less of being elevated to a higher state of being,— the penalty of sufl'erings and death which had been incurred by transgression, truth and omnipotence take care to inflict; and the Messiah does not come in any way whatever to intei'fere with it. His atonement had a nobler object, than either the preservation of human nature as it is, or the restoration of it to the state in which it appeared originally in our created progenitor. In be- coming incarnate, dying, and rising again, the grand objects embraced by Jesus were, 1st, the exhibition of a R 130 THE TWO LAWS. nature of flesh and blood, wliich was tlie embodying or substantializing of sinful human nature, for once perfect in himself; Rom. viii. 3; — 2dly, the sacrifice of the nature thus perfected, as fitted, even in this its best estate, for ex- istence only in time and upon earth; 1 Corinth, xv. 50; — and, 3dly, the elevation to a higher state of existence of the nature of flesh and blood thus sacrificed or destroyed on the cross, by the change or conversion of it in himself, and by means of his resurrection, into his own glorious divine nature. 1 Corinth, xv. 54. Philip, iii. 21. To express the same idea difi"erently : — the object of the Lord Jesus, in undertaking and accomplishing the work of re- demption, was to take away sin, by taking away human nature itself as the nature which had sinned: an object which could only be eff'ected by his swallowing up human nature previously rendered his own, and thereby sin as the necessary consequence of it and as necessarily con- nected with it, in himself, as the incarnate, dying, and glorified Jehovah. And this he hath accomplished. In the benefit of what he hath done, all human beings parti- cipate; but in two different orders, and after two different fashions. 1 Corinth, xv. 22. 23. — To some, while they are in flesh, and before the sentence of death can be exe- cuted upon them in the ordinary way, he makes himself known : thereby imparting to them his own iwesent mind, even that mind of fulfilled and exhausted law with which he himself rose from the dead. Eph. ii. b.'d. Such per- sons thus acquiring the mind of the risen Jesus, as the conqueror over sin and death, become partakers of the conquering principle or the divine mind themselves; 1 John V. 4; and enter with him into his kingdom by faith here, and by sight hereafter. 2 Corinth, v. 1 — 8. They are partakers of the first resurrection. Rom. viii. 10. 11. Rev. XX. 4. 5. This day, or during this period as con- tra-distinguished from a future one, they are with Jesus in THE TWO LAWS. 131 Paradise. Luke xxiii. 43." — Not so, however, with the rest of the human family. They follow the fate of Christ's body. As for a part of three days it lay in the grave, and then rose; so during time, and the future period of the church's reign, they are dead and remain in their graves : rising not until the dawn of the period of the second resur- rection, or that third sera when Jesus appears subduing all things unto himself. Hosea vi, 2. 1 Corinth, xv. 22 — 28. Rev. xx. 5. 6. Such persons neither have, nor can have, the mind of Christ as conqueror; seeing that from his kingdom, or from reigning with him, they are for evermore excluded : it being their fate to be saved, not as conquering, but as conquered ; not as kings, but as sub- jects. They are ultimately subdued by Christ, and by his church reigning with him. They live not and reign not in glory, with the sons of God and heirs of Christ Jesus. But at last, by the manifestation to them of Jesus, and the other sons of God, — by the voice of Jesus, as that of the mighty archangel, penetrating to the inmost recesses of the tomb, — they start up, like all things else made new; or in forms corresponding to, and which are the substances of, the shadowy ones in which they appeared while upon earth. Thus, as I endeavoured to shew you, Robert, on a former occasion, he who, in the salvation of his church appears as the spiritual Abraham, in the salvation of all appears as the spiritual Adam. And thus, with reference to the topic with which this conversation opened, the same hu- man beings who, either as Adam's descendants generally or as Abraham's descendants specially, constitute the wicked ; become either specially as one with Jesus the spiritual Abraham, or generally as one with him the spi- ritual Adam, righteous in him for evermore. F. Can you state your sentiments respecting the peculiar salvation of the members of the church in such 132 THE TWO LAWS. a form, as tliat I may be enabled more easily to under- stand and remember tbem ? T. I can, and it shall be done with pleasure. — The interest of the elect or members of the church in salva- vation, is a present interest. They find themselves, even while they are in flesh, one with him by whom sin was taken away, and everlasting righteousness was brought in. They are saved or delivered as to their consciences, even now, from sin and death ; and this, in consequence of the divine righteousness and everlasting life of their glorious head being manifested to them, and thereby entering their consciences as their own righteousness and life. Rom. iii. 21 — 24 ; vi. 23 ; 1 John v. 11. 20. There is no condem- nation, and no possibility of condemnation, to them as being in Christ Jesus ; and as walking, not after the Jlesh or principles of human nature, hut after the spirit or prin- ciples of the divine nature. Rom. viii. 1. Salvation is thus, as to them, a present, realized, unchangeable, and indefeasible privilege and possession. — And of this salva- tion their bodies too, in due time, partake. For the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelling in them; he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken their 7norlal bodies, by his spirit that dwelleth in them. — Rom. viii. 11. Perhaps I should add that there is a sense, and that, too, a very important one, in which salvation is restricted to the members of the church alone. In consequence of the divine principles of love, righteousness, and life ever- lasting, entering into and taking possession of their minds, they are saved from the creature principles of law, sin, and death. They are even already, through faith in Christ, made alive : Galatians ii. 20 : and the life wliich they have through faith in him, enduring for evermore ; — being the substance of the shadowy existence which they derive from Adam, and, as the substance, absorbing or swallowing THE TWO LAWS. 133 lip in itself Ihe shadow; — of course, they never die. John xi. 25. 26. — Very different is the fate of the rest of tlie human family. As destitute, while in flesh, of more than Adam's nature, they perish. John iii. 14 — 17. They, in the sense just alluded to, are not saved. For human nature, while it exists, is not in them, as in the case of the elect, preserved from its ordinary fate hy being changed into the divine nature ; and thereby, not as the nature of Adam, but as the present nature of Christ, made to live for ever. Their resurrection is not, like that of believers, effected by the change into divine principles without previously per- ishing, and thereby in a certain sense the salvation, of what were originally creature principles ; but takes place by the change ultimately of what here perished as natu- ral, into what shall hereafter exist as supernatural. B. Then, David, human nature has always been con- nected with Christ. In Adam, it must have been pro- duced hy, if it shadowed forth, Christ's nature ; and, in Christ himself, we are merely beholding the shadow again merged in the substance from which it originally proceeded. T. Your conclusion is perfectly correct. The Lord Jesus is the root, as well as the offspring, of Adam. — Henceforward you will have some little notion of what our glorious Redeemer intended, when he styled himself, the Alpha, and the Omega j the beginning, and ihe end ; the first, and the last. Rev. xxii. 13. END OF THE THtUD DIALOGUE. DIALOGUE FOURTH. subject: ETERNAL PUNISHMENT NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. SPEAKERS :— AUTHOR. BROTHER. T. Well, brother, what now do you want ? B. To obtain some satisfaction, if I can, respecting the doctrine of eternal punishment. T. You have read, I presume, what I have written on the subject in my "Three Questions proposed and answer- ed," and in my "Assurance of Faith." What more would you have ? B. When I read the works to which you have alluded, I had not enjoyed the advantage of listening to these oral statements of yours by which I have been lately so much benefited. And, besides that the fact if my own previous ignorance may have in a great measure disqualified me for understanding your writings, I almost fancy that, since the composition and publication of your Assurance ofFaith^ your own mind must have been enlarged considerably in its apprehensions of divine truth. If well founded in my conjecture, then by asking you questions respecting ETERNAL PUNISHMENT ETC. 135 eternal punishment, and attending to your answers, I shall be put in possession of your most matured ideas on the subject. This is what induces me to trouble you just now. T. Indeed, Robert, I do not know that I have much, if any thing', to add to the views which I have already communicated to the public, with regard to eternal pun- ishment. Tlie perusal, during the interim, of several in- teresting and valuable treatises on the subject of Uni- versalism, in which views are advocated in many respects opposed to my own, so far from shaking, has materially contributed towards confirming, the leading sentiments which I have long since promulgated. Such being the case, why go over them again ? — Nevertheless as no way of eliciting and enforcing truth is be neglected; and as truth, when stated in one form, may have failed to im- part that conviction of which, by the divine blessing, it may be productive when stated in another; I am perfectly willing, to the best of my knowledge and ability, to answer any queries, respecting eternal punishment, which you may think meet to propose to me. B. I have to thank you for this indulgence; as well as for the kindness and patience which in our preceding interviews you have exhibited. In this conversation, or, at the utmost, in another, I trust to be able to obtain so much satisfaction respecting some of these weighty and momentous topics which I know you to have made par- ticularly your study, as to supersede the necessity of my giving you any further annoyance. — This, I may say, I am aware of, that you are not a believer in the ordinary, and to ecclesiastics most profitable, dogma of eternal tor- ments. T. So far from believing in it, my mind rejects it with abhorrence. And yet I reject it not, as is done by too many, on the ground of mere human reasonings. I cast it 136 ETERNAL TUNISIIMENT from me, simply because it is a libel on the revealed char- acter of Jehovah. How could I hold it, without at the same time holding the truth of the Manichean doctrine of the existence of two co-eternal principles of good and evil, the one of which is for ever struggling unsuccessfully against the other; that is, without holding that the good principle, whatever might be its desires and inclinations, is totally unable to extinguish the evil one ? Isaiah xlv. 7. 1 Corinth, xv. 26. 54. Phil. iii. 21. Heb. ii. 8. How could I hold it, without denying that Christ hath taTien away sin, by the sacrifice of liimself, Heb. ix. 26 ; and without representing him as the confirmer, not the destroyer, of tJie works of the Devil? 1 John iii. 8. How could I hold it, believing and knowing as I do, upon his own infallible authority, that God is love ; 1 John iv. 8. 16; and that, as such, he is not overcome by evil, but overcomes evil with good ? Rom. xii. ult. B. And yet a doctrine, such as is that of eternal tor- ments, which has obtained so strong, so extensive, and so permanent, an influence over the human mind; which is acquiesced in, as if it were demonstrably true, by men of al- most all sects and parties; and which is appealed to, as the last and best of all sanctions, in our Courts of Judicature; cannot have had a superficial origin : but must be derived from the depths, and inmost penetralia, of human nature itself. T. Your observation is just, Robert. That instinctive dread of future suffering by which mere human nature, whenever it assumes the religious aspect, is characterised, the enlightened Christian, and he only, is enabled to trace to its deep-seated principles. When explored and laid open in the light of scripture, it is found to have its origin, first, in that sense of guilt and condemnation which first entered into the human mind with Adam's one transyres- sion, and which, ready to be roused into activity by the NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 137 slightest exciting cause, has descended as an heir-loom from him to all his posterity. Secondly. We discover a source of the alarm hinted at, in that principle of selfish- ness, which, instead of heing a mere feature of human nature as it is generally considered, actually constitutes human nature itself. Man's nature, as limited, is selfish ; that is, it desires every thing on its own account, and with a view to its own gratification, enlargement, and everlast- ing existence. But through sin, man's nature having come under condemnation, and, in the cross of Christ, having been destroyed ; that sense of guilt, which, as has been just hinted, attaches to human nature as the source of its most agonizing feelings and the harbinger of its fate, acts powerfully upon the principle of selfish- ness, by exciting the suspicion, that its desires of enjoy- ment and immortality, instead of being gratified, are destined to be inevitably and completely frustrated. And liow striking to think, that the calamity thus anticipated shall be realized. For nothing but destruction does await human nature, or the selfish principle : those who now pos- sess the human or selfish nature of Adam having their nature annihilated, by its being swallowed up in the divine and generous nature of the Sou of God. Thus, then, the dread of future punishment which characterises all who are religious upon natural or fleshly grounds, turns out to be the selfish principle itself instinctively anticipating, and, as a matter of course, shrinking back from, its deserved and inevitable fate. Thirdly. The dread in question has its "origin in that ignorance of God and of divine things, under which the fleshly mind necessarily labours ; in the inability of that mind to rise in its conceptions above mere man, and the ideas and pursuits of man ; and in its con- sequent tendency to substitute human notions, and human reasonings, for the revealed truth of God. 1 Corinth, ii. 14. Coloss. ii. 8. Take the following as a speci- s 138 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT men of the almost innumerable ways in which the human mind, while under the power of this invincible ignorance, is prone to delude itself respecting the divine character and intentions : — " Man is revengeful : therefore, God is so likewise." Psalm 1. 21. — "Man cannot avenge his wrongs, and at the same time render the infliction of his vengeance subservient to the advantage of those who have incurred it : therefore, God cannot do so either." Mat- thew XXV. 24. 25. In opposition to Psalm ciii. 10 — 12, Matthew V. 45, and Rom, xii. 20. 21. — " I am conscious of gross and grievous violations of the dictates of my own conscience, which appear to me to be violations of the law of God, and for which I stand self-condemned : therefore, if God deal with me, as the violators of human lav/ when convicted are dealt with by their fellow men ; and if the punishment which he shall see meet to inflict on me be pro- portioned to his own greatness, and the number and enormity of my off'encesjit must be a punishment distinguished by the most intense severity, and inflicted without end." — Such is a specimen of the reasonings by which the mere fleshly mind, meddling with the concerns of religion, contrives, under the combined influence of sense of guilt, selfishness, and ignorance of divine truth, to land itself in something like a conviction of the real existence of eternal torments. B. Something like a conviction ! Then it is your de- cided impression, that even those who profess to believe in the doctrine of eternal torments, are not quite sure — have no absolute certainty — about the matter ! T. How should they ? Tlie doctrine is not true ; that is, it hath not divine authority for its basis and warrant : and therefore, it is impossible for it to be credited with that absolute and infallible certainty, which can never be pro- duced, except by the entrance into the mind of divine tes- timony alone. — Besides, observe the workings of the human mind, with regard to eternal torments, in those by whom tlie NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 139 doctrine is generally understood to be believed in. Every natural man, however strong may be his abstract and spe- culative conviction of the truth of the dogma, has a sort of lurking and indefinable hope that he himself, after all, may not be subjected to such sufferings. For his friends and relations, and especially for his infant offspring, he fondly, although secretly, cherishes a similar hope. And, if a man of tolerably enlarged natural benevolence of char- acter, he sometimes ventures, although with many checks from conscience, and a trembling anxiety lest the latent workings of his mind should be discovered, to suppose, that even the whole of the human race may ultimately escape the endurance of those pangs which, in the nur- sery and from the pulpit, he has been taught to regard as the inevitable fate of the great majority of them. Nay, these suspicions of the falsehood of the doctrine occasion- ally, in spite of all the precautions of our spiritual guides, get vent from the press. If you have in your possession that very common book, Isaac Watts' World to come: or dis- courses on the joys or sorrows of departed souls at death: you have only to glance your eyes over the preface, in order to satisfy yourself, how doubtful and hesitating, — how absolute- ly sceptical even, — reputed princes and champions of ortho- doxy sometimes feel with respect to those very torments which, in the exercise of their vocation, they deem it to be their duty, or find it to be their interest, to urge and impress on the consciences of their devotees. — It is the circumstance of the doctrine in question revolting even the natural mind, that has given birth to those numerous flesli- ly and unscriptural systems of universal salvation, to which I am as much and as decidedly opposed, as the most sturdy Calvinist can be. B. Although my faith in eternal torments is now shaken, I may even say, subverted, it has nevertheless long been my firm conviction that many, perhaps the great 140 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT bulk of those who oppose the doctrine, have just as little real satisfaction as to the validity of the grounds of their denial, as the ordinary supporters of it possess that their views are true and scriptural. T. I am pleased to have it in my power to express my entire and unreserved acquiescence in the correctness of your remark. Disgusting, certainly, it is to hear profes- sors of religion exclaim, when the dogma of eternal- tor- ments is called in question in their presence, " Oh ! I wish that your views were admissible !" or *' what you contend for is too good to be true :" seeing that all such exclamations, besides betraying doubt as to the truth of fu- ture torments, are a secret compliment paid by the creature to himself, at the expense of the Creator ; it being implied in them that his benevolence is, and if he had the oppor- tunity of displaying it would be found to be, greater than • that of the Being whose nature and character are love. But if there be any thing more disgusting than this, it is to find men who deny that the blessed Jesus was the Crea- tor appearing in the likeness of sinful flesh, the Lot^d from heaven, pretending to assert their confidence in the doctrine of "universal salvation." Confidence felt by those who, denying that Jesus was God manifest in flesh, and, consequently, that his death was the death of man's Crea- tor, neither have nor can have any notions of the enor- mity of sin ! Absurd ! Impossible ! B. Surely, you are not going to assert the doctrine of the infinite nature of evil ? T. No, most decidedly. That were indeed to repre- sent salvation as an impossibility. I have been too well taught in the school of Christ, to give into either of the twin absurdities, first, of making sin, which is an affection of a mere creature nature, to be infinite ; or secondly, of holding it to be possible for one infinite, to take another infinite away ! Let those who have maw capacious enough, NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 141 at the same time that they contradict the word of God, swallow such undisguised and unmodified nonsense. 1 cannot. Notions of infinite evil, and of infinite evil as overcome by infinite good, are not mine ; and, therefore, with the blame attachable to them, and the consequences deduceable from them, I have nothing whatever to do. — But in avoiding Scylla, I am bound to take care that I do not run myself upon Charybdis. Sin, although not an infinite evil, — seeing that, if so, it must without fail and without remedy have existed for ever, — is nevertheless an indefinite one ; and, as such, is that which must have existed for ever unless taken away by a being who was infinite. A mere creature was not competent to the task. Such a being is not able to act up to the dictates of his own fieshly conscience, which, if on some occasions it ex- cuses, on others, accuses him ; much less to act up to the requirements of a divine and spiritual law ; and, in the ren- dering of perfect obedience to that law, to sacrifice the nature which was subject to it : thereby bringing to an end and taking away, by one and the same act, both law and sin for ever. None but the Creator, that is, none but an infinite being, could, by the swallowing up in himself of the nature of the creature, annihilate sin, which is a con- sequence and affection of the creature nature : — which, as proceeding from a creature, was by its very nature finite ; and which yet, as committed against the law of the Creator, had acquired an indefinite character, that by no creature nature could have been removed or expiated. Now, Robert, if you have understood me, you will per- ceive that while, on the one hand, I deny the infinite na- ture of sin ; because according to scripture sin has been taken away, and nothing that is really infinite can be so : on the other hand, I laugh to scorn the idea of any crea- ture or finite being doing away with that which is, by its very nature, indefinite ; and hold that, except for the in- 142 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT terposltion of tlie Creator manifest in flesli, the infinite being, sin and the effects of sin must, as incapable of being removed by the creature or finite being, have ex- isted for ever. Indeed, were not the subject too serious for ridicule, it might amuse one to think, that finite beings who, by all {\\c\v fiiiite virtue, are not able to secure to themselves even the continuance of a paltry finite ex- istence, should nevertheless be found fancying that, by such finite virtue, they may, in some way or other, be able to secure to themselves an interest in an infinite one ! B. Then sin is, in your apprehension, a very enormous but not an infinite evil. T. Tliat it is very enormous, is seen in the light of the fact of what was required to take it away. " Ye were not redeemed," says the apostle Peter, '' with corruptible things, as silver and gold," that is, not by the means of any creature, or any thing creaturely, " but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a Lamb, without blemish and without spot." 1 Peter i. 18. 19. And what the dignity of this Christ or anointed one is, and wherein the value and efficacy of his blood consisted, another apostle explains to us when he says, that *' God spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all." Rom. viii. 32. But although very enormous, and far exceeding in its guilt and atrocity the liveliest and profoundest conceptions of the mere fleshly mind, sin is not infinite, for the best of all reasons, that it has been taken away. The same death of Christ, God's only and well-beloved Son, which proclaims the magnitude and enormity of sin, as that which by means of a less costly sacrifice could not have been expiated and removed ; proclaims likewise, as a glorious and cheering fact, that it hath thereby been expiated and removed for evermore. Jesus hath, as a matter of fact, put away sin by the sacrifice of himself : Heb. ix. 26. : or, to avail my- self of the highly figurative and expressive language of NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 143 two of the prophets, God. in virtue of this sacrifice, hath cast our sins behind his hacJc; Isaiah xxxviii. 1 7 ; nay, cast them even into the depths of the sea. Micah vii. 1 9. What with man was impossible, God himself hath actually ac- complislied. — So that to the mind of the believer two things are always presented in a close and inseparable connec- tion : — 1. Sin taken away, at once and for ever, by the one atoning sacrifice of the Lord Jesus ; and, 2, the enor- mity of sin, as that which, by no other and no less costly sacrifice, could have been done away with and brought to an end. B. You mean by all this, if I comprehend you, to as- sert, that the grand exhibition of God's hatred of sin is afforded in and by the cross of Christ. That, in the very same way in which God pardons sin, he manifests his ab- horrence of it. T. Precisely so. And in the exact order, too, in which you have stated the matter. For, it is not by first apprehending God's hatred of sin, that we afterwards come to apprehend his pardon of it, as the fleshly mind, ventur- ing to meddle with divine things, uniformly suggests ; on tlie contrary, it is by believing in sin as pardoned through the sacrifice .of Christ Jesus, that we attain to scriptural and spiritual apprehensions of it as that which is the ob- ject of God's intensest hatred. Nothing manifests to me more strikingly that total ig- norance of spiritual matters which is characteristic of the fleshly mind, than the views which mankind in general cherish and express respecting sin. The common notion is, — and upon this principle all our popular religious works are constructed, — that men have, or at all events may have, conceptions of sin before believing in Christ ; that such conceptions have a spiritual origin ; and that they gener- ally issue in the sinner's being thereby brought to the knowledge of Christ. Now every one of these views is 144 ETERNAL PUxMSHMENT erroneous. Sanctioned by the liigliest names in " theolo- gical literature unquestionably they are, but they all stand condemned by the Holy Ghost. For, 1st. before being enabled to perceive what sin really is, in the light of the Son of God the Creator requiring to die, and actually dying", in order to take it away, — my only notion of evil, — the only notion of evil, indeed, which by any possibility I can have, — is of something which is calculated to do a serious injury to myself, and others who are mere creatures like myself. That is, naturally my onl}^ standard of evil is the injuries and sufferings which, in consequence of the commission of it, mere creatures are made to undergo. — This, however, is not to have a real apprehension of sin. To conceive of it as what it really is, I must behold it as displeasing to God, not as injuring the mere creature. — Now it is only in the cross of Christ that the nature and extent of the divine displeasure against sin become visible: seeing that there only do I behold " the heel of the wo- man's seed bruised," in the act of atoning for sin ; that is, there only do I perceive that sin could not have been expiated and removed, except at the expense of the sacri- fice or destruction of the earthly life of the Creator him- self. Formerly I conceived of sin as only injuring the creature ; now I perceive that in order to its everlasting extinction, the Creator himself, in his fleshly manifestation, behoved to undergo injury. Thus does it appear, that the only standard of the nature and enormity of sin, and con- sequently the only means by which we can form any con- ception of its real character, is the injury which, through the medium of liis sufferings and death, it inflicted on the Creator, or the price which he voluntarily paid to take it away. 2dly. It is not true, that the notions of evil and of its consequences which, previous to conversion, the mind of man is capable of attaining to, are of a spiritual nature. So far from this, they are merely results of the fleshly or NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 145 soulical mind alarmed at, and, nnder the influence of its native sellEishness of constitution, shrinking hack from, the endurance of personal sufferings. As connected with and resulting from natural conscience, or the shadow of the mind of God in the mind of man, such notions, no doubt, constitute shadows of spiritual views : but they are not spiritual views themselves. 3. Those views of evil which the mere fleshly mind is capable of adopting, do not of themselves in any case lead to Christ Jesus ; that is, they never of themselves lead the individual by whom they are experienced, to rejoice in that divine righteousness which Jesus the Creator finished on Cal- vary, as his own personal righteousness : but, on the con- trary, always and necessarily constrain him, in one way or another, to attempt, either by abstinence from evil or by the doing of what he fancies to be good, to work out and establish a righteousness of his own. Spiritual views of sin imply views of the righteousness and life of God manifest in flesh, as my righteousness and my life, having been conferred upon me from above, in opposition to the tendencies of my fleshly mind ; and, consequently, views of creature sin and creature righteousness, as being alike excluded from all concern in the matter of salvation : but the views of sin which the fleshly mind regards as spiritual, are merely views of evil as something which, although if persevered in hurtful to the creature, may nevertheless by means of expedients, devised and practised by myself, be got rid of; and, consequently, involve in them the notion that I, a creature, must, in some way or other, be my own saviour. Understanding the remarks which I have just made, you cannot fail to perceive, that, previous to the manifes- tation from above to any individual of Jesus as having died the just for the unjust, and as having thereby taken away siii from himself; — and no manifestation short of this T 146 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT is a spiritual one ; — the notions entertained by him respect- ing evil are natural, fleshly, and selfish ; calculated merely to foster human pride, and to stimulate human efforts for salvation : these very circumstances shewing such notions to be essentially distinct from, and decidedly opposed to, the views which enter into the mind, when to it is vouch- safed a discovery of what sin is, in the light of the suf- ferings and death which were endured by the Creator for the purpose of putting sin amay. B. According to your view of matters, I observe that the knowledge of personal interest in Christ is connected with, I should rather say, is necessarily implied and in- volved in, the belief of the gospel. To have the know- ledge of sin taken away by Christ's atoning sacrifice is, if you are correct, not merely to have an apprehension, for the first time, of what sin is, as that which God hateth ; but also to have the conscience personally purged from a sense of guilt. T. So completely is this the case, that a profession of having had the conscience personally purged, as the first and necessary effect of the sacrifice and resurrection of Christ revealed to it, — the profession being made in sin- cerity and truth, — coustitutes the grand, the only, test by which the members of the spiritual Israel are enabled to recognise one another. Christ is the propitiation for our sins : and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John ii. 2. This we know, that when he shall appear, we shall he like him ; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John iii. 2. We know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved^ we have a building of God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 Corinth, v. 1. Such are a few specimens of the lan- guage common to the apostles with all who are partakers with them of like precious faith, through the righteousness of God, and our Saviour, Jesus Christ. 2 Peter i. 1. NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 147 B. By following out the principles wliicli you have already laid down, I think that I may almost hope to form a pretty tolerahle guess as to some other sentiments of yours respecting eternal torments. T. What sentiments do you allude to ? B. I will explain myself. Eternal torments, if I understand the import of your premises, cannot, you conceive, he maintained consistently with the declarations of scripture : — 1st, because the gran- dest conceivable and possible display of God's abhorrence of sin has been afforded in the sufferings and death of Jesus the Creator : whereas the doctrine of eternal tor- ments implies, that a still greater display of the hatred of God towards evil is capable of being, and remains to be, afforded in the sufferings of mere creatures. It appearing to you, that the glory of the cross of Christ, as exhibiting sin taken away by the sufferings and death of the Creator alone, would be obscured, nay, made of none effect, if, not- withstanding its complete triumph over sin, there remained any necessity for, or even possibility of, eternal creature sufferings. — To the same objection, the systems of tempo- rary and limited sufferings hereafter advocated by Chaun- cy, Winchester, Stonehouse, Douglas, and others, are obnoxious : seeing that they all imply the necessity and possibility of some farther and greater display of the divine vengeance against transgression, than what was afforded in the cross of the Lord Jesus. — 2dly. Because as God hates sin with a perfect hatred, this hatred must, from the cir- cumstance of his possessing infinite wisdom and power, terminate in its ultimate and complete destruction ; as the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus clearly intimate to us it has done : whereas the doctrine of eternal torments implies that God, instead of destroying, bestows ever- lasting existence upon that which confessedly his soul hatcth. Strange to think ! that many who profess to 113 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT cherish the greatest loathing and disgust at the bare idea of God having been, in any way whatever, the cause of sin temporarily entering, can nevertheless gloat with the utmost intensity of delight over the prospect of God's perpetuating sin to eternity ! Truly this is to strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. — The only way in which popu- lar religionists can evade the force of the present argu- ment, is by plunging headlong into Manicheanism, and asserting, that sin having once acquired an existence in the universe, it is beyond the power of even God himself to bring it to an end! — 3dly. Because God overcomes evil witli good ; or takes revenge on evil by overwhelming it with, and swallowing it up in, the infinite goodness of his own divine nature; as is obvious in the resurrection, as connected with the death, of the Lord Jesus : whereas the doctrine of eternal torments implies, that the goodness of the Creator is so completely overcome by the evil of the creature, as to necessitate the Creator, if he would exhibit his displeasure towards the creature at all, to indulge in a low, brutal, vulgar, unfeeling, impotent, human revenge ! Is this consistent with the language of him whose words, when expostulating with the nation of the Jews, are, my thoughts are not as your thoughts, nor my ways as your ways : and, who addressing the members of his church, hath said. Love your enemies ; bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you : that ye may be, or may show yourselves to be, the children of your father which is in heaven ; for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust P Matthew v. 44. 45. T. To what you have so correctly stated, Robert, you might have added, as still further developing my views in reference to this subject^ that God having declared the object of the Lord Jesus in dying to have been to put NOT ETExRNAL TORMENTS. 119 away sin by the sacrifice of himself, we impeach his vera- city when we assert that, in the case of the eternally tor- mented, sin remains nnput away for ever ! — that God having declared that his Son was 7nanifestecl to destroy the works of the Devil, we impeach his veracity when we represent Jesus as raising certain human heings to sin and suffer for ever ; and thereby as confirming everlastingly, not destroying, sin and suffering two of the Devil's works ! — and when God declares that Jesus puts under his feet, by destroying, every enemy, even death itself the last of them, it is ratlier too much for us creatures to turn upon the glorious Creator, and impeach his veracity by roundly asserting that, so far from all the enemies of Jesus being put under his feet by being destroyed, he is actually con- tented to share his empire with sin and Satan, by con- ceding to them to reign, nay to triumph, over the greater portion of the human family for ever! B. This is now abundantly clear to me. Still, how- ever, the suspicion of the possibility of torments being in- flicted by God for ever on a portion of the human race, will be found on examination to lurk in, and exercise an influence over, the minds of many who would not chuse openly to avow it. T. No doubt. Bat I may now mention to you an argument which, to him who is gifted with a very moderate share of divine knowledge, and possessed of any capacity whatever for reflection, must be productive of an entire conviction, that the infliction of eternal torments upon man is an utter impossibility. B. What is it ? T. A consideration of the only punishments which man, constituted as in the light of scripture we discover him to be, is capable of being subjected to and enduring. These are three in number : — 1. He may be made to suffer and die, thereby undergoing loss ; 2. he may be kept out of 150 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT enjoyments superior to those of time and sense ; and 3, his very nature itself may be destroyed. — ^You cannot point out to me a fourth. B. WJiy, David, the existence of a fourth is the very subject matter in dispute. Our divines, as they call them- selves, are fond of representing eternal torments as a species of punishment, additional to those kinds of it which you have just enumerated, to which man may be sub- jected. T. Consider what, in maintaining the doctrine of eter- nal torments, such persons necessarily assert ; and nothing more will, I conceive, be requisite to enable you to see through llieir sophistry. Tbey mean, if they mean any tiling at all, that man as such is capable of being tor- mented for ever. Now unlimited torments, no human being, as a man, is capable in his present state of under- going. This is a matter of fact. Therefore, if to these torments he who is now a man shall hereafter be sub- jected, it cannot be that as a man he shall undergo them. If endured by him at all, he must endure them as pos- sessed not of a temporary, but of an everlasting, exis- tence ; that is, as possessed of properties and attributes which, by qualifying him for the endurance of unlimited and eternal sufferings, must be essentially different from those which characterise human nature. In a word, in order to undergo eternal torments he must cease to be a man. Do you understand me ? — That you may be enabled to do so, I will throw my statements into another form. Let me, for the sake of argument, admit, that he who is now a man, and as such is incapable of undergoing more than limited torments, shall nevertheless, in the event of his dying ignorant of the gospel, be eternally tormented here- after. Why, what in that case follows ? This, certainly. That seeing he could not endure these sufferings as a NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 151 man, — mau's capability both of physical and mental suf- ferings being limited, — it must be in some other nature and character than as a man he must endure them. That is, as a man he cannot endure them at all. — Do you not per- ceive that, by this simple, obvious, and conclusive reason- ing, eternal torments are necessarily excluded from the catalogue of the punishments to which man as such may be subjected ? B. I perceive what you mean; and, am free to admit, that the distinction now laid down by you had never pre- viously suggested itself to my mind. — As a man, or while he is a man, no human being, then, can be punished, ex- cept in the three different ways which you have spoken of. T. In one, or other, or all of these ways: — Pie may be made to undergo loss, as well as to endure sufferings, in his body and in his mind; he may be deprived, or, rather, kept out of, enjoyments which are possessed by others; and his very nature may be destroyed. B. State distinctly, and in as few words as possible, if agreeable to you, what it is that hinders the being who is thus capable of being punished upon earth, from being eternally tormented hereafter. I want to make myself completely master of your argument. T. My proposition is just briefly this, that ' the being who is supposed to be eternally tormented hereafter, can- not be a human being.'' And the medium by which I prove it is, the admitted fact that man as such is capable of undergoing only limited torments, — From this I argue, that if you were to torment eternally one who is possessed of everlasting existence, you would punish, not a human being, but a being whose nature was essentially different ! You would punish, not the nature by which sin had been committed and the punishment deserved, but a nature which had nothing whatever to do with transgression! That is, according to the precious system of eternal tor- 152 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT ments, the nature from which evil emanated, and by which punishment has been incurred, escapes these torments altof/ether ! B. Tliis is evident. T. Aye! and what is still more, the nature so tor- mented would be actually the nature of the Lord Jesus himself! For everlasting existence is the life, not of Adam, but of Christ. — Thus, by representing God as in- liicting eternal torments on beings who are possessed of everlasting existence, divines, actually and blasphemously although ignorantly, represent God as torturing for ever the nature of his own well beloved Son ! B. But theologians make a distinction between ever- lasting existence, and everlasting life. T. So they do. But where is that distinction to be met with in the word of God ? Shew it me there, and I submit. Until then I conceive myself to be fully justified in rejecting it as the mere coinage and offspring of their own imaginations. Enough is it for me to know, taking scripture for my guide, that only two men, — and two in- telligent natures, as connected with and communicated by these two men,- — are there presented to our notice. The men are, Adam the man of the earth, earthy; and Jesus the second man, the Lord from heaven. 1 Corinth. XV. 47. And, agreeably to this distinction between the two men themselves, are the two natures which are set before us : human nature, as possessed and communicated by the one ; and the divine nature, as possessed and communi- cated by the other. Verse 48. In strict conformity to which, those who are now possessed of, or hear the image of the earthy, are represented as hereafter being pos- sessed of, or hearing the image of the heavenly. Verse 49. So much for what, on investigating the subject as it lies before us in the sacred volume, we do discover. But neither in the 15th chapter of first Corinthians, nor elsewhere, can NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 153 I encounter the slightest trace of a third man : that is, of a man whose nature is neither that of Adam nor that of Christ, but a nature different from that of both. The existence of such a third man, and such a third nature, is indispensable to the possibility of eternal torments being endured. For we have seen, that neither Adam's nature, nor Christ's nature, is capable of being subjected to them. And if such a man and such a nature do exist, let them, in the scriptures — our only authority in mattersof this kind — be pointed out. Till this can be done, however, — and I suspect it must be postponed till the Greek Kalends, — as the existence of the third man and the third nature is a gratuitous assumption — a mere hypothesis — a perfect chi- mera of the human brain — it is sufficient for me, and for all who with me love pure, unsophisticated, and unadul- terated divine truth, to reject it. He who asserts, that a man may undergo eternal tor- ments ; and yet finds himself constrained to admit, that it is a being possessed of everlasting existence, and of physi- cal attributes and properties essentially different from those of man, who is eternally tormented : as, on the one hand, he contradicts and thereby refutes himself, by maintaining, in the same breath, that it is a man and that it is not a man who is thus tormented ; so, on the other, he becomes indirectly an unwilling witness to the truth of the grand position laid down by me, namely, that the subjection of man, constituted as he is, to eternal torments, is an arrant impossibility. B. By the way, it just occurs to me, that the following argument is closely connected with, if not actually involved in, that which you are now prosecuting. The argument is, that no being can ever deserve to undergo a more severe punishment, than the nature itself of which he is possessed deserves to be subjected to. — One point of coin- cidence between your sentiments, and those of your anta- u 154 ETERNAL PUiMSHMENT goiiists, is very curious. Whether I adopt your views or theirs, I arrive at the same conclusion with regard to the fate of human nature : for, strange to tell ! I find you both a- greed in maintaining, that the nature of man has no exis- tence beyond this present life ! You both, I perceive, hold that human nature is destroyed. — There is no doubt a dif- ference subsisting between you with respect to the manner of its destruction. You allege, that this result takes place in consequence of its being swallowed up in the divine nature of Christ : while they, by representing the beings who are tormented eternally to be possessed of everlasting existence, hold, if they have any meaning at all, that human nature, in the case of the unregenerate, is swal- lowed up in some third nature, distinct both from the nature of Adam and from that of Christ; with scriptural grounds for believing in which, however, they have never yet had the goodness to furnish ns. — Still it is an important fact, that, "whatever may be the differences existing between yourself and your opponents as to the manner of the euthanasia of human nature, you areboth thus faragreed,that the nature of Adam does not survive this present life : it being obvious to you both, that in one way or another, either as swal- lowed up in the nature of the Lord Jesus the second man, or as swallowed up in the nature of some third man yet to be discovered, the nature of Adam the first man is de- stroyed. Assuming the destruction of human nature, then, as a settled point on both sides, the important question occurs : how, consistently with justice, can a severer punishment be inflicted on the being who is possessed of human nature, than is inflicted confessedly on the nature itself? The highest punishment of which the nature itself is suscep- tible is, it appears, its destruction. Now as every being must act under the influence of the nature which he has, and not under the influence of a nature which he has NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 155 not ; and as tlie nature of man is possessed by him not wil- lingly, — not in consequence of any previous volition of Ids, — but in consequence of liis having been, without any consent of his own, subjected to it ; how, as God is just, can he who in committing evil acts under the influence of the only nature which he has, and of a nature, too, of which he has been a mere passive recipient, be more sev^ere- ly punished than tliat nature itself is ? How can human conduct whicli is a mere effect, be visited with more severe punishment than is inflicted on human nature itself the cause, the necessary cause, of all such conduct ? Until it can be satisfactorily shewn to me, that a being, upon whose nature as essentially sinful and worthless the most ample vengeance has been taken in the utter destruc- tion of it, may nevertheless be so distinguislied from his nature, as himself to remain the subject of tlie most ex- cruciating agonies for evermore ; and until it can be satis- factorily shewn to me, likewise, that evil in its effects can with justice be more severely punished than evil in its cause ; I must be allowed to cherish the conviction, that tlie destruction or swallowing up of man's fleshly nature, — a point with regard to which, in one way or another, all parties seem to be agreed, — being the greatest punishment to which that fleshly nature itself can be subjected, must be also the greatest extent to which, by any possibility, the punishment of the being who is endowed with that nature can be carried out. T. Conclusively argued, my dear Robert. And, per- haps, I cannot do better than follow up what you have stated by observing, that, not only in the indirect way which you have adopted, but by every conceivable species of direct scriptural evidence, is death, or rather the de- struction of the Adamic nature, proved to be the highest l)enalty to which man as such is capable of being subject- ed. — It appears by the terms of the original sentence itself, 15f> ETERNAL PUNISHMENT pronounced on occasion of man's transgression: in which, so far from its being said, tliat death is to be followed and consummated by sufferings, it is expressly declared, that sufferings are to be followed and consummated by death. Cursed is the (j round for ihy sake ; in sorro7v shall thou eat of it all the days of thy life. In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the (/round: for out of it wast thou talen: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Gen. iii. 17. 19. It appears from the contrast between the extent.of the reign of sin, and that of the reign of grace, instituted by the apostle Paul in the 5th chapter of his Epistle to the Ro- mans : That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life, by Jesus Christ our Lord: Verse 21 :* and from the language of the same apostle, in the 15th chapter of his 1st Epistle to the Corinthians ; in which he expressly denominates death, the last enemy ; and speaks of it as being destroyed. Verse 26. Now if death be the extreme boundary of sins reign : and if deatli be the last enemy whom man has to encounter ; what room, what possibility, is there of its being succeeded by eternal torments ? And, lastly, it appears with the strongest of all con- ceivable evidence in the light of the fact, tliat certain human beings are, by the admission of all, partakers of life everlasting, This argument is perfectly invincible. * Sin hath reigned unto death. Rom. v. 21. Not the death of Adam, the creature, and of Adam's natural posterity, as is commonly but erroneously supposed; but the death of the Lord Jesus, the Creator. The death of the Lord Jesus, and not that of the creature, being the utmost extent and boundary, the ultima Thule, of sin's reign: and in the death of our blessed Lord, sin and death being so swallowi'd up and brought to an end, that sin's reign can by no possibility extend further j being im- mediately and necessarily merged in, and superseded by, that reign of grace through righteovisness unto eternal life, to which it has been all along and solely subservient. How dare any man, professing to believe in the supreme divinity of Jesus of Nazer- cth, think or say, and that, too, in the teeth of language so clear and explicit as the foregoing, that sin can prolong its reign beyond the death of the Creator manifest iu flesh ? ^'OT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 157 Had the penalty of sin reached beyond death, or rather beyond the destruction of the Adamic nature, the salva- tion of a single member of the human family would have been an impossibility. ^'Eternal sujSferings," say popular religionists, "was the import of the original threatening, to take effect in the event of the transgression being committed." Well, be it so. And then, mark the con- sequence. The truth of God requires the exact and com- plete execution of what he has threatened : his veracity being no less concerned in the execution of his threaten- ings, than in the fulfilment of his promises. Let God be true, although every man should be a liar. If eternal torments were threatened to mankind as a whole, as such persons allege, they must then be inflicted on mankind as a whole. There can be no escape for any one. God's truth cannot be compromised ; and the sufferings being by the terms of the supposition infinite, cannot by any pos- sibility be brought to an end. By all, as one with Adam the transgressor, eternal torments having been incurred ; upon all, as one with him, eternal torments must be in- flicted. — "But, the work of Christ." — True; what of that ? — " By it, sin has been taken away from the people of God ; and their admission into the heavenly regions rendered practicable." — What! has.. God by saving «w?/ asainst whom he had denounced eternal torments, made himself a liar ? Has even God been able to bring that which is infinite to an end P — Ah ! the system will not answer. It is thoroughly rotten. It blows hot and cold with the same breath. It first makes God to threaten eternal torments ; and then it attacks his veracity by repre- senting him as not inflicting them. This cannot be. By admitting that auij guilty creatures inherit eternal life, popular religionists give a death blow to their own system. Nay, they are constrained by the irresistible force of scrip- ture evidence to admit the truth of a fact which, besides 158 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT overtuiTiiug their theory, opens up a door to the ultimate salvation of all. For an enlightened believer is enabled to remove every difficulty, as well as to explain the whole, by shewing, that death, or rather that the destruction of the Adamic nature which took place in the cross of Christ, having been the full import of the threatening to man, and constituting the utmost extent of sin's reign over him ; the resurrection of the Lord Jesus from the dead, which ensures the resurrection of his believing people, is also the event in which sin and death, and all their consequences, are to:the whole human family swallowed up for ever- more. B. You mean to say briefly that, according to scrip- ture, sin did not acquire a temporary existence and reign through Adam's one transgression, in order that through Christ's one righteousness it might acquire everlasting ex- istence, and might exercise an everlasting dominion over a large portion of the human family, as is the import of all popular notions respecting the subject; but that sin was permitted to acquire and exercise a temporary exist- ence and reign, in subserviency to that everlasting exist- ence and reign of grace through the righteousness of the Messiah, by means of which the existence and reign of sii> unto death, and all the melancholy consequences there- of, are completely and for ever superseded and swallowed up. In other words, sin's reign nuto death is, not (he rival of grace's reign unto eternal life, but its servant. The existence of the former having been requisite, in or- der to the introduction of the latter ; but the latter, in the very fact of its introduction and reign, obliterating, swal- lowing up, and destroying the former. Thus, instead of the Manichean notion that sin and grace are, in their res- pective reigns, eternal rivals, as the fleshly mind of man, when intermeddling with religious topics, absurdly and unscripturally supposes ; your meaning is, that sin in its NOT ETERNAL TOR3IENTS. 159 reign unto death is merely paving the way, and serving as a pedestal, for the reign of grace, sin's glorious and triumphant destroyer. T. Such is precisely my meaning, B. So far well. — But to proceed to other matters. Re- jecting as you do eternal torments, is it true, neverthe- less, that you hold the doctrine of eternal punishment ? T. Yes, surely. B. In so doing, is it your intention to dispute tlie correctness of the interpretation which has been put upon the Hebrew and Greek w ords commonly translatedr|l^e;-/?«^ and everlasting, by Winchester and others who tiave adopted the original Universalist view of the subject ? T. By no means. Jeremiah White, in his admirable work on Universal Salvation; and, since his time, George Stonehouse, Elhanan Winchester, Neil Douglas, and many more ; have rendered good service to the cause of truth, by drawing the attention of religious professors to the real and scriptural meaning of the nouns 'obv and anov, and of the adjectives derived from them: these eminent writers having clearly and satisfactorily proved, that such words have originally and literally a reference to duration as marked by stages, periods, or seras, and not to eternity properly so called. But useful as their labours have been, I cannot help objecting to them, that they have made too much of the critical argument ; — that they have, in their anxiety to press it continually into the service, rendered it occasionally ridiculous ; — and that, as in the case of the last verse of the 25th chapter of Matthew, they have some- times had recourse to quibbling expedients, instead of meeting the assaults of the popular party manfully, inge- nuously, and scripturally. B. How would you deal with the declaration, Tlicse shall go away into everlasting punishment j but the righteous into life eternal ? Matthew xxv. 46. 160 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT T. By at once and unreservedly admitting that, as it is the same Greek word aiMviog, eternal, which occurs in both clauses of tlie sentence, therefore, whatever is tlie meaning of the term when applied to the life of tlie righteous, the same meaning it must have when applied to the punish- ment of the wicked. The duration is in both cases the same. But because I admit this, it by no means follows, tliat I oblige myself to adopt the ordinary fleshly interpre- tation which has been put upon the passage. — It is true, that if the eternal punishment be understood to be punish- ment limited in its duration, so also must be the life. And if the life be eternal, understanding the word eternal in an unlimited sense, so also must be the punishment. For I cannot bear having recourse to the usual practice of un- derstanding the word eternal to have in itself an unli- mited signification as employed in one clause of the sen- tence, and a limited one as employed in the other. — This concession, however, altliough made in the most distinct and unequivocal manner, is not in the slightest degree favourable to the popular theory, as a few remarks, explan- atory of my meaning, may suffice to shew. I'he interpretation of tliis passage depends entirely on the sense which we attach to the word aiwviog. — If it sig- nify duration as measured by seras or successive periods, then the reign of the righteous or spiritual Israel must last as long as, but no longer tlian, tlie punishment of the wicked or uiiregenerate portion of the human family lasts. That is, as during the whole of the period or periods thus capable of being measured by succession, Christ as the spiritual .Abraham, and his cliurch as the spiritual Israel, are reigning togetlier in the spiritual Canaan ; from all the enjoyments connected with this peculiar and preli- minary state of things, and that during the whole period of its continuance, the rest of mankind, as under punish- ment, are necessarily and completely excluded. — If, how- NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 161 ever, aiuviog is to be understood as signifying eternal, in the common acceptation of the term ; tliat is, as having a sense which is absolute and exclusive of progressive duration ; then must the punishment which attaches to the wicked, or Adam's posterity, be of endless duration, just as the life of the righteous, or Christ's posterity, is of endless dura- tion likewise. But we have already seen, that the highest punishment of which man, or human nature itself considered as a whole, is susceptible, is its final and everlasting de- struction. And we have also seen, that the whole family of man who, as possessed of human nature, are represented as originally one with Adam, the wicked ; are, as made new, — according to the gracious and blessed declaration. Behold ! I make all things new ! either in time, or when time shall be no more, — represented as ultimately one with Jesus Christ, the righteous. Here, then, we have the key to aitiivioQy everlasting, understood in an unlimited sense, and as e'qually applicable to the punishment of the wicked, and the life of the righteous. The wicked, or Adam's posterity as such, are subjected to a punishment of endless duration, by being deprived of human nature for ever ; and by having that nature, that is, by having themselves, swallowed up in the divine nature of Christ : and the very means by which the everlasting destruction, or everlasting punishment, of their wicked nature, and of themselves as wicked creatures, is effected, being by their having their Adamic nature swallowed up in the divine nature of Christ ; of course the everlasting punishment of human beings, as Adam's posterity, or the wicked ; and the everlasting life of the same beings, as changed into Christ's posterity, or the righteous ; are results gloriously, necessarily, and in- separably connected together, in the divine purpose, the declarations of holy writ, and the experience of redeemed creatures. Opponents are welcome to adopt whichever side of the w 162 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT alternative they please. They may understand ukuvioq of itself to signify limited duration ; or they may interpret it as denoting that \yhicli by its very nature is urdimited. But they cannot be permitted to play fast and loose with the passage. Whatever sense they ascribe to it in the one clause, that same sense they must abide by in the other. If, with Winchester and his followers, they say, that the word here, properly speaking, is expressive of duration as capable of being measured by seras or periods, that is, that here it has a limited sense ; well : then, as, in that case, the intermediate period of the Messiah's rei^n before his an- cients gloriously, is the subject referred to in the latter part of the verse; of course the complete and necessary exclu- sion from all the enjoyments, privileges, and blessings of this reign, and that during the whole period of its exis- tence, of the unregenerate portion of the human family, is what is implied in the punishment threatened in the former part of it. Rut if with Calvin, Arminius, 'Wesley, and others, they prefer maintaining that the word eternal is here to be understood in a fidl and unlimited sense ; then, as the endless punishment inflicted must be consistent with the nature of man as a creature and shadow — with the word of God which denounces against the wicked everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord — and with the atonement of Christ, as the destroyer of the works of the Devil, and the swallower up of death, the last enemy, in victory — it follows that, if this sense of the term be adopted, the eternal punishment of the wicked, or Adam's posterity, must be the eternal absorption of themselves, and their sinful and mortal nature, in the righteous, im- mortal, and life-communicating nature of the Son of God. — " Take your choice gentlemen. . One, or other, or both of these significations of the words eternal, if you please. But it will be impossible for you, with the utmost stretch of human ingenuity, whether you adopt the one or NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 163 the other, to drag in the doctrine of future torments. The legs of the lame are unequal : hut God's ways and mani- festations of himself are equal." B. So, then, I am to understand you as maintaining that a fate of equal duration awaits the righteous and the wicked ? T. Most decidedly. And yet, this merely in so far as the adjective aiwviog, Ionian, applied to the life of the one and the punishment of the other, is concerned. For after the eternal or ceonian character of hoth has heen ascertained to be the same, the nature of the life, and that of the punishment, still remain to be considered. This latter point falls to be determined, not by the attribute or quality which is ascribed in common to both ; but by the respective natures, and consequent capabilities, of the riffhteous and the wicked themselves. Now the distinction between their respective natures is obvious. Wickedness is an affection of the creature ;* righteousness, of the Crea- tor. The wicked, therefore, are beings necessarily pos- sessed of a creature nature ; the righteous, with equal necessity, possess the divine nature. What follows from these self-evident premises ? Why this : that the wicked, by being descendants of Adam the creature, and by pos- sessing only his nature in this present life, can only be punished positively in this present life ; and that any punishment of theirs which runs beyond time, must be of a negative kind, that is, must consist of one or other of these two things, exclusion, or destruction, or both. Whereas the righteous, being partakers of the divine nature, are only susceptible of positive privileges, or must live for evermore. — And yet the punishment which is nega- tive, and the life which is positive, are both of equal duration ; for, passing over the negative punishment of exclusion to which a remark similar to that which I am about to make is applicable, the highest negative punish- 104 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT ment of Avhigh tlie wicked, or the creature Adam's pos- terity, are susceptible, being their destruction; and this destruction taking place, through the medium of this wicked or creature nature being swallowed up in the divine nature of the second Adam, the Lord Messiah ; it follows, that the conferring of eternal life upon all, by the making of them to be righteous, or possessors of the divine nature, is, by that complete absorption of the wicked in the righteous nature which is implied in the fact, the infliction and sealing down of eternal destruction, and thereby of eternal punishment, upon the tvicked or creature nature of man, and upon all human beings as originally possessed of that nature. B. The punishment of the wicked, that is, of Adam's descendants as such, is, then, eternal — understanding the word eternal in its highest and unqualified sense ? T. It is. But their eternal punishment is not confined to their eternal destruction.* They are punished eternally in more respects than this. B. What say you ? Other kinds of eternal punish- ment ! I cannot now conceive of any, except of eternal destruction, T. This arises from your not having understood my answer to your question respecting the sense of Matthew XXV. 46 ; as well as from there being views of the subject which have not hitherto " been dreamt of in your philo- sophy." — The fact is, that God punishes eternally the descendants of Adam as such after three different fashions. In other words, there are three difi"erent ways in which he inflicts a punishment upon them which, as being incapable of alteration end or repeal, is thereby necessarily eternal. B. Have the kindness to enumerate them. T. There is, first of all, the punishment inflicted upon our natural head, and through him upon us, of sufferings and death ; connected with and implying deprivation of the NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 165 garden of Eden, and all its enjoyments. This is a punish- ment attaching, not to one or to a few, but to all the human family, including even the Son of God himself; who came into the world subject to sufferings, condemned to die, and shut out from the earthly paradise. And it is a punishment which shall never cease to be inflicted while a single human being remains, and which shall be inflicted to the very uttermost : not only the mass of mankind, but even Christ and his Church having no admission, and never being able to obtain admission, into the enjoyment of the natural and earthly privileges which by the first Adam Avere forfeited. The loss of these, as the punish- ment of the one transgression, Avas eternal and irrever- sible. Against all, without exception, the gates of Eden are barred for ever. And thus " Paradise regained," in the sense of the earthly paradise being recovered, is a per- fect absurdity as well as an utter impossibility. The punishment of deprivation of the earthly paradise, and all the sufferings which are connected therewitli and conse- quent thereon, shall continue to be endured by man until the human race shall be no more. We discover in this fact one species of eternal punishment ; or of a penalty which is irremediably exacted from all, and exacted for ever. Secondly. The wicked, or the descendants of Adam as such, are eternally punished, by being eternally ex- cluded from the kingdom of Christ and of God. That is, the same human nature which forfeited eternally the state of creature purity, and other fleshly advantages, which it enjoyed previous to the transgression of Adam ; hath also, through the medium of another transgression of which we are immediately to speak, shewn itself to be un- worthy, utterly and eternally unworthy, of rising to the enjoyment of a higher and heavenly state. Flesh and blood, or human nature, was no more able to acquire Avhat was superior, than it had shewn itself qualified to retain 166 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT what was inferior. Naj, as it could not preserve the van- tage ground which it originally occupied in the garden of Eden ; so, having lost that, much less was it capable of rising to the inheritance of glory, honour ^ and immortality. — This exclusion is complete. — It attached to our blessed Lord. With j^e^/i and bloody even he could not enter into his own kingdom. For Jlesh and blood cannot, under any circumstances, inherit the kingdom of God. Therefore, before ascending to his throne, the Lord Jesus behoved to sacrifice his fesh and blood nature ; and to rise from the dead with that nature swallowed up in his own divine nature. — It attaches to Christ's people. With flesh and blood, or human nature, they do not enter into his king- dom. For, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Therefore, not as human beings or as possessed of human nature, but as begotten again of the incorruptible seed of the word, and as thereby partakers of the earnest of the divine nature, are believers elevated to his throne by their blessed Lord. — Thus, then, is any man a partaker of human nature merely; and does he become possessed of the earnest of nothing higher during his earthly career ? Such an one can never enter into the hea- venly kingdom. For human beings as such, that is, as the wicked, having shewn themselves to be unfit for retaining this present life, must still less have any meetness for, and any capacity of being introduced into, the inheritance of the saints in light. — But, not only so, the wicked, or human beings as such, have incurred exclusion from the heavenly kingdom as a punishment. That kingdom was, as I shewed you in a former conversation, to come to believers or the New Testament Israel, through the instrumentality of the Jews or Old Testament Israel. But as the trans- gression of one man, was made the means of forfeiting for all human beings the original possession of the earthly paradise; so was the hostility to God evinced by one nation, NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 167 made the means of excluding the whole human family, or rather human nature as such, from the enjoyment of the heavenly inheritance. And yet, as the transgression of one man was overruled to be the means of bringing sal- vation to mankind as a whole ', so has the enmity to God of the Jewish nation been overruled to be the means of communicating the knowledge of the gospel to, and thereby of conferring the earnest of the divine nature upon, that small number of human beings to whom the privilege of being Icings and priests with their divine head is destined. While, thus, by being born again from above, the posses- sion and enjoyment of Christ's kingdom are bestowed on a few of the human family ; and while the opening to their enjoyment of this their peculiar and glorious privilege has been created by the rejection of Christ and his gospel by the Jews ; we are to bear in mind, that it is through the medium of this very misconduct of the Jews, that a sen- tence of eternal punishment, by means of their eternal ex- clusion from Christ's heavenly kingdom, hath gone forth against, and shall be executed upon, all who live and die possessed of the principles of human nature merely. The third and last species of eternal punishment, is that which shall be inflicted on all human beings as the wicked, in the shape of the eternal and irremediable de- struction of themselves as Adam's descendants, and thereby of the very nature which they originally possess. Human nature w|is unworthy to retain its primitive state of purity and happiness; — it is still less worthy of being introduced into a higher state of existence ; — nay, it is worthy only to be destroyed. It is fit fuel for the devouring flame of divine wrath. Having been created only for a time and for temporary purposes ; and having, as a medium of divine manifestation, accomplished all the ends of its creation ; it is finally and for ever consumed. This is the acme or climax of the punishment to which it is subjected. — Our 168 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT fleshly nature manifested hostility to God, in the person of Adam : for which it has been punished by the everlasting forfeiture of the earthly paradise. It manifested still greater hostility to God, in the persons of the Jews, when they crucified the Lord of Glory, and rejected the message of peace and reconciliation which was proclaimed by apostles and evangelists : for which it is punished with everlasting exclusion from the heavenly kingdom. And it is destined to manifest, at the close of time, the greatest conceivable and possible hostility to God, in a united attempt on the part of all, both Jews and Gentiles, (except the ie\Y en- lightened from above,) to subvert and eifface the very existence of Christ's name and cause from the earth, by means of human science and natural religion : for which, Clirist having made his appearance the second time, shall punish human beings as such, and their nature as having shewn itself to be thoroughly, rootedly, and incorrigibly W'icked, by everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his pojver. 1 Thessal. i. 9. This will constitute the eternal punishment of Adam's pos- terity, and of Adam's nature, in the highest sense of which the phrase eternal punishment is susceptible ; as it will involve the final, and complete, and everlasting extinction from the face of the universe of that wicked and rebel- lious nature, which has, in every step and period of its existence, manifested itself to be enmity against God : to be neither subject to his law, nor, indeed, able to be so. Rom. viii. 7. B. I clearly perceive your meaning, and so far ac- quiesce in the sentiments which you have expressed. There is, indeed, I am satisfied, a series of eternal punish- ments to which human beings as the wicked are subjected : risinsf in order one above another like a climax ; until at last the whole is crowned and surmounted by the ever- lasting destruction, or ultimate sweeping away, of the NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 169 guilty race. How simple, how perspicuous, how satisfac- tory, the whole statement ! Although this view of matters, I now remember, has already, in several different forms, been brought by you under my notice, or at all events suggested by you, I never on any previous occasion was so struck, as I have been on the present, by the fact, that all the punishments which you have enumerated agree in the one grand fea- ture of their being irrevocable and consequently eternal. None of them has been, none of them can be, reversed. The punishment of the forfeiture of the earthly paradise is, I perceive, eternal : fo]-, from access and restoration to that paradise, Adam and his descendants have by the flaming sword ever since been debarred. The punish- ment of exclusion from the heavenly kingdom is, I per- ceive, eternal : for, into it no mere partaker of human na- ture is or can be admitted ; entrance into it being con- ceded to none, except to those who are horn again, not of corruptible, but of incorruptible seed, and to whom, con- sequently, has been imparted by faith the earnest of the resurrection nature of the Son of God. And the punish- ment of destruction is a fortiori, I perceive, eternal : for the nature thus destroyed neither exists, nor can by any posssibility exist, thereafter ; being swallowed up everlast- ingly in the heavenly, divine, and completely triumphant nature of the Lord of glory. T. Perhaps you have not yet noticed the remarkable connection subsisting between these three kinds of eternal punishment, and the fact formerly hinted at by me, that human beings as such are capable of being punished only in three different ways. They may suffer loss — they may undergo privation — and their present earthly nature may be destroyed. Now mark how all this tallies with the positions which have just been laid down. As expelled from the earthly paradise and its comforts, men have in- X 170 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT curretl loss ; — as excluded from the kingdom of Christ, by their unbelief and opposition to his glorious gospel, and as thus continuing destitute while human beings of more than human principles, the majority of mankind experience privation ; — and as dying, never again to live as human beings, destruction, the highest punishment of which their nature is susceptible, is inflicted on them. Thus the three capabilities of punishment, and the three kinds of punishment actually inflicted on human beings, exactly coincide. B. Well but, David, how do you reconcile the exclu- sion from the heavenly kingdom of those wdio possess hu- man nature merely while on earth, with the fact of their being ultimately saved ? Is there not something like in- consistency here ? T. There would be inconsistency stamped on the very forehead of my views unquestionably, were I to allege, that human beings, although ejccluded from Christ's kingdom, are nevertheless admitted into that kingdom. But I allege no such thing. B. This denial of yours again puzzles me. Do ex- plain yourself. T. Cheerfully, my dear brother. Attend to the fol- lowing facts ; and, by so doing, it is to be hoped that diffi- culties will vanish, and the whole subject become plain and satisfactory to you. 1. Into the kingdom of God, no person whatever, no, not even the Lord Jesus, enters as a human being. Our Head entered into it by sacrificing his flesh and blood na- ture ; and believers are introduced into it, not as partakers of human nature, but as having had imparted to them by faith the earnest of the divine nature. 2. Into the kingdom of God, the unregenerate portion of the human race never enter at all. They have no ad- mission into it in any capacity whatever, either as. be- NOr ETERNAL TORMENTS. 171 lie vers, or as unbelievers. And the reasons are obvious : — The kingdom of Christ, is the kingdom or reign of the divine nature. Now, of this nature, Christ and his church alone are possessed. — Again. The kingdom of Christ as such, that is, as the kingdom of the spiritual Abraham, is destined to come to an end or expire. 1 Co- rinth. XV. 24. And this, because his character as the spiritual Abraham, is to be merged in his still higher cha- racter as the spiritual Adam. Ibid : 28th compared with 22d. The object of the kingdom of the Lord Jesus, as the Christ or spiritual Abraham, is the ultimate and com- plete subjugation to himself of the wicked, or unregenerate portion of tlie human family. When this is accomplished, his kingdom expires. See the same verse. The last act of it is the resurrection of the unregenerate. John v. 28. 29; compared with Rev. xx. 5. Now as, in raising them, his kingdom comes to an end, how can they enter into that which has no longer any existence ? In the very act of raising them, the kingdom is no more. By what possi- bility, then, can lliey be introduced into it ? — Still farther. To enter into, or become possessed of a kingdom, is to reign or have subjects. Now, the royal dignity, Christ and his church as one with him possess. He sils as king on high ; and he concedes to the members of his be- lieving fkmily to be kings, as well as priests, along jvith him. Rev : i. 6. They enter into his kingdom, and sit down with him upon his throne. Ibid : iii. 21. And over the unregenerate portion of mankind, as well as over all things besides, this reign or kingdom of the spiritual Head and his members extends. Thus, while the king- dom in question lasts, the unregenerate are not kings, but a part of what is put under the feet of the King of Zion. And when the object of the kingdom to which Christ and his church are elevated shall have been accomplished, in the subjugation of the unregenerate, as their own king- 172 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT dom then necessarily comes to an end, by there remaining none for them to reign over; so the others can never enter into the reign or kingdom at all, on the same principle of there then existing none over whom, as subjected to them, they might exercise their sway. When, as at the consummation of all things, there are no subjects, there can of course be 7io kings. — Taking all these facts to- gether, then, it appears, that from the kingdom of Christ the unregenerate are, not for a time or for any limited period, but for ever excluded. They have not the divine nature, or overcoming principle, now; 1 John v. 4. 5; therefore, they cannot reign : — they are not saved until the expiring of Christ's kingdom ; 1 Corinth: xv. 23 — 28; Rev. XX. 5; therefore, it is impossible for them to gain admission into it : John iii. 3 : — and they are saved, not by reigning, but by being reigned over ; not as kings, but as subjects; and, when saved, as none remain for them to reign over, all being then put under the feet of the Messiah ; 1 Corinth : xv. 28, compared with Psalm viii. throughout j it is plain, that they never have the oppor- tunity of being invested with the kingly dignity at all. — Shall I express myself in a more intelligible manner, if I say briefly, that of the peculiar salvation which is enjoyed by the people of Christ, and which consists in an intro- duction by him into his kingdom, the unbelieving portion of the human race, as not born from above, never partici- pate ? And, when at last the salvation which was finished on the cross is carried into effect in their case likewise, it is not by their being introduced into the kingdom of Christ or made to reign with him, but by their becoming the subjects of his kingdom, that this takes place : they being saved, not by sitting down with Christ upon his throne, and partaking with him of the kingly and priestly characters, a privilege which he hath reserved to those who are called, and chosen, and faithful ; but by being, as the NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 173 subjects of sovereigu and efficacious grace, reigned over for evermore. B. I now understand you, and have to express my entire and unqualified acquiescence in your statements ; because I perceive that they exactly tally with the lan- guage and reasonings of the apostle Paul, in that passage of the fifteenth chapter of his first epistle to the Corinthians to which you have been referring. I mean, the part which runs from the 22d to the 28th verses, inclusive. Christ himself is raised first ; — then we have the resurrection of those that are Christ's, at his coming j — and, lastly, the subjugation, by means of the resurrection, of the rest of mankind, is clearly the import of the latter part of the passage, as well as the order of procedure of the heavenly triumph. And a wonderful correspondency, I now ob- serve, there is, — as you have shewn in the second volume of your Assurance of Faith, — ^between the language of the inspired apostle here, and that which our blessed Lord himself employed in his conversation with Nicodemus, as we find it recorded in John iii. 14 — 17. Having made this admission, will you allow me to ob- serve to you, that I have some doubts as to the propriety of applying the phrase eternal punishment to any, except the third, of the punishments which you have denominat- ed eternal. The forfeiture of the fleshly paradise, and the exclusion of the unregenerate from the heavenly king- dom, although punishments inflicted upon all who possess human nature merely, and inflicted without the possibility of modification or reversal, nevertheless strike me as being somehow or another limiled. I see that the third stage of punishment, viz. the ultimate destruction of human beings, or the swallowing up of human nature itself in the divine nature of Christ, is unlimitedly eternal. But I experience some difficulty in regarding the preliminary stages as more than limited. Do have the* goodness, David, to try to render this matter plain jtb me. 174 ETERNAL PUNISPIMENT T. I am glad tbat you have proposed your difficulty with such clearness and distinctness. It is obvious, that you have fully apprehended my meaning, so far as I have gone. — And now, Robert, paradoxical as my language at first must appear to you to be, I answer you by admitting, that there is a point of view in which the two former punishments to which you have alluded, nay, in which even the third punishment itself, fall to be regarded as limi- ted. This paradoxical mode of expression, however, pre- sents no real difficulty to the spiritually enlightened mind. The punishments are all of them unlimited in themselves; but they are all of them limited by the nature of the sub- jects upon which they are inflicted. These subjects are creatures ; and, therefore, beyond the existence, or rather beyond the destruction or annihilation, of the creature na- ture, the punishments cannot possibly reach. To carry them farther, you must suppose the uncreated or divine nature itself to be punished : a manifest absurdity, as well as blasphemy ; and yet, the mistake into which all those who hold the popular doctrine of eternal torments neces- sarily fall. — Well, then, the persons punished are crea- tures ; and it is as possessed of a creature nature that they either are, or can be, punished. The destruction, or rather the annihilation, of their creature nature, is the acme or climax of their punishment. It is, in the most emphatic sense of the term, eternal punishment. — I have called it the climax of punishment. And beautifully do the other two steps or stages of eternal punishment appear to be subservient to, to lead towards, and to terminate in this last stage or climax. 1. Tlie forfeiture of the earthly pa- radise and its blessings is eternal ; for it is incurred for ever. It attaches to Adam's family as a whole — it is never repealed — and the consequences of it are in every age experienced by every human being. But the power and possibility of inflicting* it evidently terminate witli NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 175 the existence of human beings themselves, and of this pre- present world. The end of time, then, as the end of human nature itself, is the boundary line of the infliction of this punishment : short of wliich, however, it knows no termin- ation. — 2. The exclusion of tlie unregenerate from the king- dom of Christ which is never repealed, and which attaches to all who live and die mere human beings without a sin- gle exception, constitutes the second stage of eternal pun- ishment. This stretches out much farther than the former stage of which we have just been speaking. For, instead of terminating with the end of this present world as that stage does, it is coeval with the existence of the kingdom of Christ itself. So long as this kingdom lasts, so long does the exclusion from life and happiness, of those who in this world have lived and died unregenerate, last like- wise. Having been subject to the bondage of corruption not merely while they lived on earth, but having come under the power of that bondage still more decidedly when overtaken by the stroke of death, under it they must continue, unless and until they shall be delivered from it, not by having had restoi'ed to them their bondage nature, but by being made new ; in consequence of both their present state of exclusion, and the present interme- diate state of the church, being swallowed up in the divine nature of the then completely triumphant Messiah. It is only, then, the termination of the kingdom of Christ, which, by bringing to an end the intermediate state of things which succeeds the destruction of this present world and the end of human nature itself, and by thereby destroying the bondage of corruption under which the unregenerate during the whole of that period continue, can bring this second stage of eternal punishment to an end. — 3. There is that eternal punishment which consists, not merely in the swallowing up of human nature, but in the swallowing up of the intermediate state'of things, the kingdom and 17G ETERNAL PUNISHMENT the exclusion from the kingdom, in tlic nature of Jesus, as the spiritual Adam. This punishment of man^ — this com- plete absorption of his nature — is eternal. It is the cli- max, the acme, the finishing stroke given to punishment. Man's fleshly nature, and sin and death as their effects, thenceforward exist no more. As at once hateful to God, and injurious to his creatures, they are swept away from the universe. Thus does it appear, that the end of the existence of human nature itself, and nothing short of that, terminates the first eternal punishment. The end of the bondage of corruption, by its subjects or those who live and die unrege- nerate in time being brought into the glorious liberty of the children of God, terminates the second eternal punishment. But the third and highest degree of eternal punishment, as consisting in such a destruction of human nature and of all its effects and consequences, by means of it and their absorption in the completely revealed and triumphant na- ture of the Son of God, as render the subsequent existence of man and sin an absolute impossibility, is a state of things which, unlike the two former states, can know no end at all, and therefore must necessarily last for ever. The punishments, then, are unlimited, in so far as they are themselves everlasting ; but the subjects of them being creatures, and, therefore, limited in their nature and dura- tion, to inflict eternal punishment to the fullest extent is, necessarily, at the expense of ultimately annihilating the creature nature. B. It strikes me, that I have a tolerably clear appre- hension of your meaning ; and, in order to prove to you that this is the case, permit me to express my views of it in my own words. If wrong, you vv^ill have the kindness to correct me. In the first place, human beings as such, that is, as the wicked, are subjected to three different kinds of punish- NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 177 meut ; all of which, from the circumstance of their being unalterable and irrevocable, and, still more, of their being inflicted as long as persons capable of undergoing them and states in which they can be undergone exist, may fitly enough be denominated eternal. Taking this view of the matter, human beings are punished, first, by an eternal expulsion from the blessings of the earthly para- dise ; secondly, by an eternal exclusion from the heavenly kingdom ; and, thirdly, by eternal destruction. In the second place, these different punishments, al- though lasting as long as the respective states in which they are capable of being inflicted and endured last, are, notwithstanding, of different lengths or durations, owing to the different lengths or durations of these respective states themselves. Thus the period during which ex- pulsion from the earthly paradise lasts, can only be the period of the existence of this present world : the paradise itself being earthly, and the end of this world of neces- sity terminating both its existence, and the liability of any to be expelled from it. — Again. Exclusion from the heavenly kingdom lasts as long as that kingdom, im- plying subjection to the bondage of corruption on the part of the unregenerate, lasts likewise ; and terminates neces- sarily with the termination of that kingdom. — Whilst the duration of the destruction of human nature, the highest conceivable degree of punishment, can never know any end : the shadowy or human nature, when swallowed up in the substantial or divine nature, being swallowed up in it for ever. In the third place, each of the two previous eternal pun- ishments is subservient to that which stands immediately connected with it, and immediately follows it; and the two first of them are subservient to the third and last one. The punishment of the eternal expulsion of all human beings, without exception, from the earthly paradise, is Y 178 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT subservient to the exclusion of all who live and die pos- sessed of human nature merely, from the heavenly king- dom ; and the eternal exclusion of all mere human beings from the kingdom of Christ, is subservient to the ultimate and complete destruction both of human nature, and of the exclusion itself or subjection to the bondage of cor- ruption as the grand consequence of human nature, by means of their being swallowed up in the divine nature of the Son of God, at tlie period when he makes all things, and therefore all beings, new in himself. — To explain my- self otherwise : — 1. Human beings, as such, come to an end with time ; their punishment of expulsion from para- dise, and all its blessings, thereby ceasing : 2. the subjec- tion of the unregenerate portion of them to the bondage of corruption, comes to an end with Christ's kingdom ; their punishment of exclusion from that kingdom thereby ceas- ing : but, 3, both their expulsion from paradise, and their exclusion from the heavenly kingdom, ceasing, in conse- quence of their nature, and the intermediate state of things which succeeds time, being absorbed in the heavenly, and divine, and all-comprehensive nature of Christ, of course this is a state of things which never can cease or come to an end. Have I expressed your meaning accurately and satis- factorily ? T. Perfectly so, Robert. And I may just add, in illustration and corroboration of the views which you have so luminously presented, that by means of the distinction between the punishments of expulsion from paradise, and exclusion from Christ's kingdom, taken in connection with the subserviency of these punishments to what follows, a full and comprehensive idea of the utter worthlessness of mere human nature is afforded. — Its expulsion from para- dise, points it out as unworthy to retain the inferior bles- sings of its original and earthly state. Its exclusion from NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 179 the kingdom of Christ, points it out as still less worthy of being elevated to the enjoyment of the superior hles&ings of the heavenly state. — By the former, it is punished ever- lastingly with loss ox forfeiture. By the latter, it is sub- jected to a similar everlasting punishment of coming short of ox destitution. — And, when its worthlessness has thus been previously and satisfactorily established, its bondage state of exclusion is brought to an end, not by restoration to the state in which it existed originally, but, by what affords the crowning view of its intense and essential worth- lessness, its complete and everlasting absorption in the nature of the Son of God.* B. The whole of your system, if I mistake not, may be comprised in the following sentence : — The object of God, in all that he says and does, in all the acts and ma- nifestations of himself, is his own glory. To this, the creation of man originally in Adam, and his new creation subsequently in Christ Jesus, are both subservient. And the end is accomplished by a series of steps or stages : man's natural creation state being, by the entrance of sin, terminated or brought to aii end ; and the state of things to which the termination of his natural creation state gave rise, being itself terminated by that act of taking sin away, through the medium of which all things are ulti- mately new created in the Son of God. Farther : the • Perhaps the \-iew submitted in the text, may be thus expressed and illustrated : — The exhibition of the want of desert of human nature, on the one hand, to retain what it once had, and, on the other hand, to attain to what it never had, and never can have, has been going on constantly developing and disclosing itself more and more since the first of time ; and will go on developing and disclosing itself more and more until time shall have flowed into the ocean of eternity. Human nature is disclosing still lower and lower, and hitherto unsuspected, depths of evil ,• and the distance between the depths to which it is with rapid and constantly accelerated pace descending, and the heights to which it shews itself unworthy to ascend, is widening more and morej this process of descent, a.nd increase of distance, continunllj going on, until at last the fulness of its unworthiness to retain inferior, and to at- tain to superior blessings, having been brought out and exhibited, its final and ever- lasting destruction, by its absorption in the nature of the Son of God, is the crown- ing result of the whole. 180 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Son of God liimself alone brings to an end the natural creation state; and the Son of God, with his church, brings to an end that intermediate state of things to which the natural creation state gives birth. Is not this a fair ab- stract of your theory ? T. It is. B. How pleasing, how beautiful, how harmonious, how convincing, how strictly consistent with holy writ, is, this system of yours ! The creature punished ; and yet the mercy of the Creator glorified ! The sinful nature destroyed ; and yet the sinner himself saved ! Tlie mem- bers of the church reigning triumphant with their head; and yet the object of their reign not a selfish one, but that, tlu'ough the medium of its generous and efficacious operation, blessings and benefits may ultimately redound to the unregenerate portion of the human family ! The goodness of the Creator not overcome, as is commonly supposed, by the evil of the creature ; but, on the con- trary, overcoming the evil of the creature, by its own in- herent divine energy ! — Truly, David, this is to combine the eternal punishment of the first Adam and his posterity as the wicked, with the gift of eternal life to the church, and through them of a new creation to the rest of the hu- man race as made partakers of the nature of the second Adam the righteous, in a way which no other system of divine truth hitherto conceived or devised can by any pos- sibility do. Its harmony — its glory — prove the system which you advocate to be divine ! T. Most gratifying is it to me to find, my dear bro- ther, that the views which I have been the instrument of presenting to you, have had the eifect of opening your eyes to a discovery of the glory which shines forth in the cross and resurrection of Christ Jesus. That you now see the conquest of the Creator to be, not partial, but com- plete. And that, instead of supposing our dear and divine Redeemer to struggle with evil and evil doers throughout NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 181 eternity, unable to mould tliem to his purposes by over- coming their opposition to his character and will, you have been enabled to cast away from you notions worthy only of a disciple of Manes, and to rejoice in the scripturally re- vealed fact, that all things have been put under Jesus feet. — Let me congratulate you on the change. Until now it must have been impossible for you to recognise in our dear risen Lord, the person to whom all power hath been given both in heaven and on earth. B. You say truly, brother. It is only since I have been enabled to see sin reigning unto death, that grace might reign through righteousness unto eternal life, by Jesus Christ our Lord, that I have come to possess any correct idea of what divine revelation is. Popular systems of religion, by assuming as their basis the doctrine of eternal torments, after the fashion of the antient Manicheans, as a matter of necessity make sin to be the everlasting and in- vincible rival of Jehovah ! Not so the scriptures. They represent the entrance and reign of sin as merely subser- vient to the entrance and reign of grace ; the former being overwhelmed by, and swallowed up in, the glorious issue to which they so astonishingly contribute. — Besides, how distinctly now do I perceive the intensity of God's hatred of sin displayed, not in giving it everlasting existence, as the supporters of eternal torments most absurdly fancy, but in destroying it. T. To return to the subject of which we have just been speaking, and which admits of almost indefinite illustra- tion. — You must by this time have completely apprehended the truth of the statement made by me some time since, that the punishment of the ivicJced, and the life of the righteous, are both eternal. There is no end to either of them. The wicked are punished with everlasting destruc- tion ; — the righteous are made partakers of life everlasting. And yet, mark the paradox. There is a limit to the pun- ishment of the wicked! — How is this? Simply, because 182 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT the wicked are mere creatures. As such, tlie highest puii- ishmeut which they are capable of undergoing, is that of being destroyed ; or of passing into the state of non- existence from which they originally came. Everlasting punislnnent cannot be everlasting torments ; for that would imply the possession of everlasting life, or of the divine nature, on the part of those who are subjected to them : but it is everlasting destruction, or the appropriate and ne- cessary fate of a wicked and creature nature ; and in this way it stands contrasted with everlasting life, or that attri- bute of the divine nature which is fitly conferred on Christ's posterity, along with rigliteousness another attribute of the divine nature. — Thus, then, the punishment of the wicked, or of Adam and his posterity as such ; and the life of the righteous, or of Christ and his posterity as such ; are both and equally eternal. But they are not equal, in the sense of their being both eternal existences. On the contrary, the eternal punishment of the wicked, as being that of creatures, consists in their being destroyed, or passing eternally into a state of non-existence : whereas the eter- nal life of the righteous, as being a divine principle, im- plies on their part eternal indestructibility both of nature and enjoyment. The one is eternal non-existence ; the other is eternal existence. Adam's eternal punishment cannot, as the punishment of a being possessed of exist- ence, reach into eternity ; because, as a being, he exists only in time : wbereas, the eternal life of Christ is truly and in all respects unboundedj because, as a being, he exists throughout eternity. The punishment of the wicked, it thus appears, is boundless j but the beings themselves, upon whom it is inflicted, are not so. They are bounded. Their existence is confined to time. And this very cir- cumstance it is which, renders them the fit recipients of mercy. For, blessed be God ! the eternal punishment of destruction as creatures is inflicted, not upon beings with whom the divine puuisher has no connection, but upon NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 183 beiugs with whom, not merely as his creatures but as hav- ing himself been manifested in their creature nature, he is necessarily and eternally one ; and, therefore, as in the very act of inflicting the punishment he swallows up death in victory^ or absorbs for ever the nature of the creature in the nature of himself the Creator, it so happens, that the very circumstance of their eternal destruction, which constitutes the eternal punishment of the beings who have sinned, constitutes, likewise, the communication to them of the nature of their glorious and heavenly punisher. O death, I will be thy plagues ; grave, I will he thy de- struction ; repentance shall he hid from mine eyes ;* ex- claims the Messiah, in the glowing and triumphant lan- guage of ancient prophecy : and by conferring upon the sinful descendants of Adam, in the very act of destroying death and the grave their bitter and uncompromising foes, the everlasting possession of his own divine nature, by making them new in himself, how fully and gloriously does he redeem his pledge ! Have I been successful in shewing you, that to punish sin eternally, is not to give it eternal existence, but to destroy, or rather annihilate it; and that to destroy or annihilate it, is to make those who are at present the sub- jects of sin and death, new in their divine destroyer ?f • Hosca xiii. 14. f The following 1 propose as a summary of the above argument : — Christ's life is everlasting life. The punishment of the wicked is everlasting punishment Nevertheless the wicked as such cannot live for ever. Reason of the difference. The creature or wicked nature necessarily comes to an end j its termination being necessarily the acm6 of its punishment. Whereas the nature of the Creator necessarily lasts for ever; its everlasting ex- istence being necessarily involved and implied in the fact that it is divine. Conversion of the one nature into the other. The divine nature, having become one with the creature nature in the person of Jesus Christ, the destruction of the creature nature is in him effected in such a way, as that the end of the creature nature is at the same time the communication of the divine nature. 184 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT B. You certainly have. T. Is tlie theme now exhausted ? or have you any further questions respecting it to propose to me ? B. I presume that, in the views of the suhject which you have already presented, there are involved the princi- ples upon which you ohject to and repudiate the ordinary notions of Universalists respecting limited punishment hereafter. T. Undoubtedly. Ordinary Universalists, of the Stone- house Cliauncy and Winchester school, appear to me never to have seriously considered the following facts ; or, rather, never to have had such a scriptural view of the subject imparted to them, as to have enabled them to see the utter impossibility of reconciling the following facts with their system. 1. Limited torments are obnoxious to almost all the objections which, it has already been shewn, are fatal to the doctrine of eternal torments. And, above all, to this, that supposing limited torments hereafter whether of longer or shorter duration to be in- flicted, the being enduring them could not be one pos- sessed of human nature. He may be an angel, or he may be a devil. Nay, he may be conceived to possess some of the properties of human nature. But a human being lie could not be. And as thus, by beings possessed of a nature different from that which sinned, torments if inflicted for countless ages must be endured, it is perfectly absurd to speak of their infliction upon human beings. 2, In limited torments the punishment is inflicted confessedly for a time merely. Whereas, that punishment of the wicked, to which according to scripture they are subjected, is irre- vocable and eternal. 3. If torments contribute in any respect whatever towards the salvation of the wicked, then is the doctrine of purgatory introduced, and is the all and alone sufiiciency of the atonement of the Lord Jesus ne- cessarily set aside. 4. God is love. 1 John iv. 8. And NOT KTERNAL TORMENTS. 185 lie effects a change in the mind of the creature, or begets and draws forth love from the creature to himself, not by appearing armed with vengeance, but by manifesting himself as what he is. That is, it is only by the manifest- ation to the creature of God in his essential nature and cha- racter as love, that the nature of the Creator is or by any possibility can be imparted to the creature. In this, not in any other way, was manifested the love of God towards us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that 7ve might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Ibid : verses 9 and 10. And, as the result of this discovery made to us, it is stated that we love him, because he first loved us. Ibid : verse 19. But in tormenting intelligent beings for ages, no less than in tormenting them for ever, God could appear in no other light than as an object of hatred. In other words, it would be impossible for God, while inflicting limited torments, to be manifested in that character of love which scripture shews us indisputably and essentially be- longs to him. And what then ? Why, that the inflic- tion of age-lasting, no less than that of eternal torments, as it is at variance with the nature, so it must be at va- riance likewise with the purpose of Jehovah. — We have seen that it is by manifesting himself as what he is, love ; and not by manifesting himself as what he is not, an object of hatred j that God, whether in time or at the close of the intermediate state, overcomes and destroys the enmity of the creature to himself. And all Universalists allow, that the overcoming and destruction of this enmity is the object which he aims at, and will ultimately accomplish. But if so, why, by tormenting creatures although only for ages, interpose an element which, so far from being con- ducive to and productive of, is absolutely and necessarily opposed to and irreconcileable with his object ? While 186 ETERNAL PUNISHMENT God is tormenting his creatures for ages hereafter, as the followers of Wincliester conceive him to do, instead of decreasing that view of himself as tlieir enemy which, from the constitution of their fleshly minds, liuman heings na- turally and necessarily adopt, he must he actually increas- ing and confirming it. For, under such supposed circum- stances, he must be not manifesting, but positively con- tradicting his glorious character. And if, after all, the change which, by the confession of Universalists of every grade and description, ultimately takes place, is accom- plished by the manifestation on the part of God of himself as love, or as a gracious benefactor freely bestowing eter- nal life, of what use, pray, in that case, have been all the previous torments ? As, so far from contributing towards the glorious result, they have obviously and necessarily during the whole period of their infliction been retarding and preventing it, is not the supposition of God's having recourse to them derogatory to his character, not only as love, but as a being whose perfect wisdom obviates the possibility of his employing any except means at once suit- able and indispensable to the end at which he is aiming ? B. This I clearly perceive. T. To follow out and develop this last objection, I may observe : — That, by ordinary Universalists, the nature and object of punishment have been entirely mistaken. Pun- ishment neither has, nor can have, for its object, to ele- vate any intelligent being to a higher rank in the scale of existence, than that which at any given moment he occu- pies. And yet, in opposition to this fundamental and un- deniable principle, the class of persons to whom I allude imagine that human heings (?) are subjected to limited torments hereafter, as a means of fitting and preparing them for their elevation to a higher state ! This is absurd. In the divine administration punishment contributes, not to the elevation of beings to a higher state of existence. NOT ETERNAL TORMENTS. 187 but either to the deprivation of them of a state of existence which they already possess, or to keep tliem out of a state of existence of which they have never been put in posses- sion. Therefore, so far from its being by punishment, it is always and necessarily by the conferring of the divine nature, either here or hereafter, that the elevation of human beings to a higher state of existence takes place. God proceeds by progressive steps in the work of creation: first, conferring human nature ; and then, through the medium of the forfeiture of human nature by transgression, not by means of tormenting Mai 7mvith hell and damnation ; Thomas, with much suavity of manner, is con- tinually assuring Ely, that he (Ely) at all events need fear nothing, seeing that, notwithstanding all his opposi- tion to what he (Thomas) deemed to be truth, they should both meet together upon exactly one and the same foot- ing hereafter. Were it not for the nature of the subject. * The entire title of the work is, "A Discussion of the conjoint question, Is the doctrine of endless punishment taught in the bible ? or, does the bible teach the doctrine of the final holiness and happiness of all mankind ? In a series of letters between Ezra Stiles Ely, D.D. Pastor of the third Presbyterian Church, Philadel- phia, and Abel C. Thomas, Pastor of the first Universalist Church, Philadelphia. — New-York : published by P. Price, No. 2, Chatham square. Stereotyped by J. S. Redfield. lb'3o." f The Iiiiparlialisfs. 23(5 'JHE SECOND DEATH. tlie constant reciprocation of such compliments by both parties would be inexpressibly amusing. Now, thus to smooth over matters, is not the way for a Universalist who knows tlie gospel, to deal with one of these free-salvation- hating Pelagians. While it is a fact, and not, therefore, when necessary to be concealed, that through Christ ulti- mately all things shall be made new, Rev : xxi. 5, and, of course, the unregenerate portion of mankind among the rest ', it is also a fact, that with this subject the unregene- rate as such have nothing whatever to do : seeing that of it, no more than of any other divine subject, can they form the slightest conception ; and that, consequently, un- til the gospel be believed in by them, to discuss such a topic with them, is to be guilty of casting pearls before swine. Matthew vii. 6. When haters of the gospel like Dr. Ely, wish to treat of the ultimate salvation of all mankind, those who know and love the truth must res- pectfully, but firmly, decline entering into controversy with them on the subject. But, if they will push it ; and if, like Dr. Ely, they will try, in the spiteful and tyrannical spirit of human nature, to intimidate their opponents; they must have a civil and courteous hint given to them, that as, by their own admissions, they shew themselves not to be born again, they must, if they live and die in their pre- sent natural state, be content to be for ever excluded from the kingdom of Christ and of God. In other Avords, those who are so fond of dealing out eternal damnation to others — whose very language smells of the fire and brimstone of the bottomless pit — must have it gently suggested to them, when they assume apostolic* airs and seat them- selves upon their high horse, that, as ignorant of the love of God to themselves personally, the only principle of the divine nature in the consciences of believers, they shew * Apostolic ! Query. Should I not rather have said Satanic ? THE SECOND DEATH. 237 themselves to be at the present moment the fitting subjects of eternal punishment. Such persons must not, by any neglect on our part, be allowed to run away with the con- viction, that we confound the fate of the family of Christ, with the fate of the rest of the world. — Now, my dear sir, for your questions. F. How do you reconcile your system with the lan- guage of scripture concerning a general judgment ? T. Rather say, with what other system than that which I propound and advocate can the doctrine of a gen- eral judgment be reconciled ? — Two principles are pre- sented to us as now existing, and as now engaged in eager and deadly conflict. Human nature or the nature of Adam, as a principle of sin, stands opposed to the divine nature or the nature of Christ, as a principle of righteous- ness. Since the transgression of Adam and the issuing of the first promise, until now, these two principles have been exhibited in a state of rancorous and incessant war- fare ', and in this state of mutual collision they are destin- ed to continue till the end of time. Thejiesh, or human nature, liisteth against the Spirit, or the divine nature ; and the Spirit, against thejiesh : and these are contrary the one to the other ; so that believers cannot do the things that they would. Galatians v. 17. But this conflict shall not last always. God is the judge. From the highest heavens he beholds, regulates, and overrules all. A sentence con- demning flesh and in favour of Spirit, he hath already given forth ; that sentence he hath already so far carried into effect in the death and resurrection of his well-beloved Son, and in the communication of the earnest of Spirit or eternal life to the hearts and consciences of his Son's peo- ple ; and he hath assured us, that that sentence shall be fully and finally executed in such a way as shall prove sa- tisfactory to alL Rom: iii. 19. Rom: viii. 19. 2 Thes- 238 THE SECO.XD DEATH. sal : i. 10.* This shall take place at the period of the second resurrection ; or of the raising up of those who now perish in an unregenerate state. Then shall the grand and long-subsisting controversy between flesh and Spirit, between sin and righteousness, be definitively settled. Flesh and sin, which had been previously condemned in the death of Adam, in the sacrifice of Christ, and in the sweeping away of the whole human race with the earth upon which they tread, — shall then be condemned for the last time and for ever in the complete absorption of the fleshly and sinful nature, and of those who on earth were possessed of that nature, in Spirit or the nature of Christ. And Spirit and righteousness, which, as appearing in the faith of the Old Testament church, in the person and char- acter of Christ, and in the New Testament saints as en- dowed with Christ's nature and elevated to his throne, had in every preceding sera been the objects of divine com- placency, — shall then receive sentence of final and com- plete approbation, by being exhibited in their most tri- umphant form, as the sole, the dominant, and, because divine, the all-absorbing and self-conforming principles throughout eternity. This period of the second resurrec- tion, is the day; and this swallowing up of sin and death in victory, that is, in righteousness and life everlasting, is the manner ; in which God ivill finally judge or condemn the world, by that man whom he hath ordained even Jesus Christ. Acts xvii. 31. It will be a day, for it will take place at the appointed sera ; a day of judgment, for sin and sinners shall then be finally condemned, and right- eousness and the righteous then finally approved of; and a day of general judgment, for all without exception shall be concerned in it. But, what is still more delightful, and still more indicative of divine power, it shall be a day of * Then every mouth shall be stopped. THE SECOND DEATH. 239 satisfactory judgment. God through his saints will not be blasphemed, hut glorified ; God through them that believe will not be contemned and hated, but admired in that day. 2 Thess : i. 10. Although God as a consuming fire sheiil then appear, visiting with condign punishment and talcing vengeance on them that knew not God, and that obeyed not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, and thus com- pletely and everlastingly swallowing up them and their fleshly and sinful nature in himself; yet he shall then ap- pear also thereby making them new. Jesus, as he who dwell in the bush, burning but not consuming it, shall then appear dwelling in the whole human family ; whose sinful and fleshly nature he burned, when he offered up himself a holocaust on Mount Calvary ; but vvhom he did not consume, seeing that in himself he made them new, or re- produced them as possessors of the divine nature, by his resurrection from the dead. It is in consequence of this change, or reproduction, of all human beings in himself as their heavenly Father, that the general judgment shall be to all perfectly satisfactory. Millions of intelligent beings are not to be left for ever weltering in flames of fire, gnawing their tongues for pain, and heaping curses on the Being who gave them existence, dissatisfied with their fate, and incapable of regarding God in any other light than that of a gloomy and revengeful despot ; as is awfully and blasphemously supposed by the abettors of the popu- lar creed. No : blessed be the revealed name of Jehovah; he is not an impotent being. He does not weakly, like the imaginary god of the Manichees, and like the god of systems mis-called Christian which have adopted the Ma- nichean doctrine as their basis, after having allowed evil to enter into the universe, rest contented to struggle with it throughout eternity, unable to overcome and destroy it. — So far from this, his scriptural character is, that he is the destroyer, because he is the hater, of sin and the other 240 THE SROOND DEATH. works of the devil. In the cross of Christ, he exhibits to us who believe sin taken away. In the resurrection of Christ, he exhibits to us sin and all its effects swallowed up in the divine nature of our Lord. And this, through com- municating to us by faith the earnest of the very principle from which the destruction and absorption of sin have pro- ceeded. And, at the period of the general judgment, when all nations are convened before him, it is not to be- hold sin confirmed for ever in the case of any ; — a result which would imply the imperfection of Christ's work, the existence of indisposition or inability or both on his part to destroy evil, and above all the necessary and everlasting dissatisfaction of a large portion of intelligent beings with his procedure; — but it is, tliat the destruction of sin through Christ, which he hath already upon earth exhibited to the members of the church, may then be exhibited to all, by the resurrection of those who had lived and died on earth possessed only by a sinful nature, in a new and sinless nature, through the manifestation to them of Christ and the other sons of God : Rom: viii. 19: — this very resur- rection of those who continue during their natural lifetime unregenerate, being at one and the same moment con- demnatory cf their former sinful nature and state, which it swallows up ; an approval of the divine nature and cha- racter of Christ Jesus, which as alone fitted to live for ever it communicates ; and satisfactory to themselves, as then possessed of a nature which, while it condemns their former state of ignorance and opposition to God, is, by the present enjoyment of which it is necessarily productive, the means of enabling and constraining them to under- stand, appreciate, and relish the whole. F. This destruction of evil in the case of those who now live and die unregenerate, and this making of them new ultimately through Christ Jesus, is what, I presume, you conceive to be the revenge taken on wickedness and the wicked by the divine mind ? THE SKCOND DEATH. 2-11 T. Yes ; and a truly divine revenge it is. To return evil for evil, would be but a vulgar and human piece of procedure- It is what any creature can do. Indeed, such revenge is characteristic merely of the weakness and malignity of the creature mind. Suppose God to restore to the wicked in a future state their present wicked na- ture, and then to torment them eternally, as popular sys- tems represent him to do, what is it but to degrade him to a level with ordinary human beings ? With ordinary hu- man beings, did I say ? Let me correct myself. Such a supposition is to degrade him to a level with the vilest and most loathsome of the race : for, steeped in hateful- ness of the blackest die must man's mind be, which can take delight in the infliction of severe and protracted suf- ferings upon his fellow men. What ! Suppose the infi- nite Jehovah, whose name is Love, endowed with the concentrated malice and revenge of a Spanish Inquisitor ! — No. We have not so learned Christ. We believe, and triumph in the fact, that he will take vengeance on the wicked. Vengeance helongeth unto him ; and he v.ill ex- ercise it. But his revenge is, like himself, divine. He will not, it is true, admit human nature, or human wisdom, or human virtue, or any thing that is human, into heaven. And the reason is, that, in regard to all that is human, Adamic, or creaturely, he is a consuming fire. Hebrews xii. idt. Christ was the great burnt-offering, in which his own substantial flesh and blood nature, and human nature as contained and involved in it, was, as a holocaust, entirely and without reserve offered up to God. But if he saves not human nature as such, he does what is far better. If, in the cross of Christ, he heaped coals of fire upon it, even burning coals of juniper,* and consumed it, — it was that. Phoenix-like, a more glorious nature might spring * I'salm cxx. 4. 2 G 242 Till"] SECOND DEATH. from its ashes. For, in the resurrection of Christ, he she^vs himself, not overcome hj evil, as in the exercise of ordinary revenge men are ; hut overcoming evil with good, bj tlie conversion of enemies into friends : his revenge being a species of spiritual alchymy, by which the basest are transmuted into the most glorious materials. — This spirit of divine revenge, is likewise the spirit of his church. Its members have caught it from their head. As in him, so in tliem, it is the exhibition and exercise of love. It points to, it tends towards, it delights itself in, the destruc- tion of the nature which is enmity against God. And at last, incapable of any farther or longer restraint, it flames forth in all its light, heat, and intensity, carrying before it the entire consumption or destruction of all that is crea- turely : but, in the very act of destroying the creaturely nature and all its consequences, giving a new form, and a heavenly creation, to those upon whom the revenge is taken ; and this, by raising them to the evei'lasting know- ledge and enjoyment with themselves of him whose na- ture is love. B. Glorious and truly God-like is this revenge, my dear brother. T. It is, Robert. We who believe the truth are now necessarily either hated, or despised, or both, by a world that lieth in wickedness. We complain not of this usage. Nay, we have no right to complain of it. The world poured obloquy and contempt on our head : and why should not we be prepared for similar treatment at its hands ? The world knoweth us not, because it knew him 7wt. 1 John iii. 1. Our business is to see, that there is not excited in us thereby a feeling of unkindness and fleshly resentment. For such, whenever it obtrudes itself, is merely a result of our Adamic nature : and the wrath of man, we know, worketh not the righteousness of God. Delightful it is for us to believe, on divine authority, that THE SECOND DEATH. 243 the day of our revenge approaches. But still more de- lightful to think, that our revenge shall consist, not in vulgarly retaliating upon others evil for the evil which they have done to us ; but in co-operating with our divine head in the ultimate deliverance of these enemies of him- self and us from the bondage of corruption, and their in- troduction into the glorious liberty of the sons of God. Rom : viii. 21. Perishing in unbelief, it is true that such persons never can reign with Christ : from his kingdom, they being completely and irremediably excluded. But, O ! sweet consideration ! if thev cannot reigrn, at all events they can be reigned over. They can be subdued to Christ ; and we, as reigning with our head, can contribute towards their subjugation. We can lend our aid in heaping the coals of divine love upon their heads. This, this, shall be our revenge. F. You have alluded to two resurrections. By these, your previous statements lead me to understand, first, a resurrection of the church, or Clu'ist's peculiar people ; and, secondly, a resurrection of the rest of the human fa- mily. Christ, I remember, in the gospel according to Luke, speaks of a resurrection of the just, which he dis- tinguishes from that of the others, and which he represents as the period until which the enjoyment of their peculiar privileges by believers is postponed. Luke xiv. 14. T. That there are two resurrections, is a doctrine, not of one passage merely, but of the whole strain and current of scripture. Of these resurrections, the resurrection of the members of the church takes place, as to its first be- ginnings in their consciences, in time ; and it is perfected both as to mind and body at the period of Christ's second coming. The Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelling in them ; he that raised up Christ from the dead also in due time quickens their mortal bodies, by his Spirit that dwelleth in them. Rom: viii. 11. As par- 244 THE SECOND DEATH. takers of tliis first resurrection, believers never die. On the contrary, they enter with Christ into his kingclora, and occupy the throne with him during the period of his mil- lennium or thousand years reign. — The second resurrec- tion, or that of the unregenerate, takes place at the close of the thousand years reign, or of the intermediate state ; during the whole of which those who are the subjects of it have no manifested existence. The rest of the dead lived not again, until the thousand years were finished. Rev : XX. 5 — These two resurrections imply, not a res^ora/Zow to life ; — for there is no restoration of Adam's life either to saint or sinner ; — but the bestowing of life from above, at one period or another, upon the whole of the human family. F. You hold, then, that there is no intermediate state of existence, except for the regenerate. T. Certainly. The regenerate alone are saved; while the unregenerate perish. That is, upon the elect or peo- ple of Christ alone is bestowed that knowledge of God, in consequence of which human nature in them, even while existing as such, by having a principle of immortality im- parted to it, or rather by the natural conscience being swallowed up in faith, the earnest of the divine nature, is in a certain sense preserved from perishing. / am the resurrection and the life : he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live ; and whosoever liveth, and believeth in me, shall never die. John xi. 25, 26. This is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. Ibid : xvii. 3. — The consciences of others, remaining destitute of faith or the earnest of the divine nature, have in them no present principle of immortality ; and, consequently, such persons cannot, after death, have any distinct existence, until made new at the period of the second resurrection. This second resurrection is, no doubt, even to the unregenerate, salva- THE SECOND DEATIf. 245 tion in one sense ; for it is the ultimate rescuing of them, the suhjects of mortality and corruption, from the gloomy domains of death : but it is not that salvation which con- sists in being preserved from dying ; a salvation which is only the portion of those to whom is imparted by faith, while they are in flesh, the earnest of the divine nature, and to whom thereby is conceded the privilege of being partakers of the first resurrection. F. What is the second death P T. May I ask you to inform me, previous to my an- swering your question, what you understand by the first death P F. I cannot conceive of it as any thing else than the import of the sentence originally pronounced upon Adam, and in him upon all his posterity. Dust thou art, and to dust thou shalt return. T. So far good. Have you ever observed the rela- tive positions, in scripture itself, which the first and second deaths occupy ? F. I do not exactly understand you. The fact is, that I am rather dull of apprehension in these matters. T. Is not the first death spoken of in the book of Ge- nesis, the first book of the Old Testament scriptures ; and the second death, in so far at least as the phraseology is concerned, in the book of Revelation, the concluding por- tion of the New Testament scriptures ? And does not this relative position of the two deaths, the one at the com- mencement, and the other at the end, of the volume of di- vine inspiration, seem to intimate, that tJie one death has some sort of connection witli tlie beginning, and tJie other with the consummation, of that glorious scheme which it is the purpose of God by means of his word to reveal ? F. Ihis never struck me before. Now that you mention the thing, however, I cannot help noticing it. T. The best way of ascertaining what the second death 2i6 THE SECOND DEATH. is, will be to compare together, and with other portions of the sacred volume, the only four passages in the book of Revelation, indeed, in scripture, where the phrase occurs. 'Jliese are ii. 11 ; xx. 6 ; Ibid : xiv. ; and xxi. 8. — Tak- ing the two former of these passages together, it appears, that the second death is sometliing by which injury may be inflicted, ii. 11; but which over those who are par- takers of the first resurrection, and reign with Christ dur- ing the thousand years, that is, over those who overcome by faith, hath no power, xx. 6. And then, looking to the two latter passages, we find them conjoined with figurative language which indicates, not as is commonly imagined continued torment, but complete and irreme- diable destruction, l^he casting of death and hades into the lake of fire, which, if a mass of fire in which something else may be engulphed have any meaning at all, must signify the destruction of death and hades, is declared to be the second death ; xx. 14 ; and individuals possessed of the principles of human nature merely, as is indicated by the works of the flesh which are ascribed to them, (see Gal : V. 19, &c.) are also declared to be subjected to the second death, or to the same destruction to which death and hades had already been consigned, xxi. 8. — The im- port of the whole, it strikes me, is, that human beings wdio live and die possessing merely a creature nature, in consequence of having nothing higher, are subjected to two deaths. First. To the death which Adam and his posterity, as possessors of the nature which transgressed the original divine proliibition, undergo : a death which consists in the forfeiture by all of them of the original pa- radisaical life, and in their all returning to the dust from which they were taJcen. Secondly. To the death which the Jews as a nation, and which all unregenerate human beings, as possessors of the nature which in them resisted the divine command to believe on Jesus of Nazareth as THE SECOND DFIATH. 247 the Messiah, and consequently as inheritors of their spirit, incurred and undergo : a deatli which consists in complete and everlasting exclusion from Christ's kingdom ; or, in the awfully emphatic language of one portion of holy writ, in everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the ylory of his power. 2 Thessal : i. 9. Lan- guage which, although at first sight apparently inconsist- ent with the salvation of the unregenerate in any sense, becomes plain and intelligible when we are led to see, that of Jesus, as Lord and Christ, the unregenerate never know any thing ; that in these glorious characters they never behold him ; and that the second death to them con- sists in their being as unholy, because unre/jenerate, ever- lastingly excluded from the presence of the reigning Messiah: Hebrews xii. 14: their ultimate salvation aris- ing, not from their introduction into Christ's kingdom, or from the manifestation of him to them as Lord and Christ, but from that very state of exclusion itself which they are made to undergo, and by which as the second death they are punished, being cast into the lake of fire, and Jesus being thereby manifested to them in his highest and most glorious character as the all and in all. 1 Corintli : xv. 28. Rev : xxi. 5. B. To meet your views of the language of scripture respecting this matter, it must be impossible for believers to sustain any injury from the second death. Rev : ii. 11. T. And no injury from it is sustained by them. They are subjected only to the first death ; or to that death of the body and fleshly mind, which Adam and all his pos- terity in him, by the original transgression incurred and undergo. But even i\\\^ first death believers are subjected to after a fashion peculiar to themselves. Prepare your- selves for something which may at first startle you, and appear to be incredible, but which is nevertheless true : — believers actually die after the manner of Enoch and 248 THE SFCONO DRATII. Elijah. They are raised from the dead, and thereby made spiritually alive as to their consciences, even while they are dwellers in flesh. Eph : ii. 1 — 6. They do not die first and live afterwards, as is the case with the rest of the human race ; or as those who are subjected to the second death do. But they live first, and, through living, die ; or, in other words, in the very act of making them spi- riiually alive, or rendering them partakers of the first re- surrection, by imparting to them while in flesh the earnest of his own divine nature, Jesus is pleased to inflict upon their consciences the sentence of death originally denounced against Adam and all his posterity. That is, the present communication to them of the principle of spiritual life, is the swalloiving up in itself of natural conscience, and thereby the death, because the hilling of it. What a glorious and blessed euthanasia ! — Sentence of death had gone forth against the whole human family. That sen- tence of course behoved to be executed. And yet, not necessarily upon all in one and the same way. For it appears that there are two perfectly distinct modes of in- flicting it. Men may be allowed, as ordinarily happens, to live and die ignorant of Christ, and thereby destitute of spirituality : in whicli case as tliey perish, losing at death the only principles of which while upon earth they were possessed, they are necessarily shut out of Christ's king- dom; or, in addition to the first, are subjected also to the second death. But upon men, while naturally alive al- though dead as to their consciences through Adam's one transgression, God may, as happens in the case of liis church, bestow the knowledge of himself, or that principle of spirituality or the divine nature, which, in the very act of malcing alive, also hills, as being necessarily the swal- lorving up of natural principles in supernatural ones ; and which, from the very nature and mode of its infliction, as being to the individuals the present swallowing up of' THE SECOND DEATH. 249 dcalh in viclory, or the present introduction into Christ's kingdom, renders it a matter of absolute impossibility that the second death, or future exclusion from that kingdom, slionld be undergone by them. The former, or the incur- ring botli of the first and the second deaths, is the fate of the unregenerate. The latter, or the having of the first death inflicted through the medium of having conferred on tliem the earnest of life everlasting, — which, by its pre- sent swallowing up in them of human in the divine nature, leaves nothing for the second death to prey on, — is the fate of the regenerate. Thus both classes undergo the first death. But after totally different fashions. For, while the world in general live, througli the medium of dying twice; believers die once, in the very act of being made alive spiritually at once and for ever. Thus upon them the original sentence of death is inflicted, by the very fact of conferring upon them life everlasting. In their consciences, as in an epitome or abstract, there is realized in time, what shall take place ultimately upon a larger scale in the case of the rest. They become by faith as to their consciences nerv creatures, or a new creation : old things as to them passing away, and all things as to them becoming new. 2 Corinth: v. 17. The resurrection of Christ, manifested to them by faith, becomes their resur- rection. His mind, their mind ; his righteousness, their righteousness ; and his life, their life. It is thencefor- forward not they who live j but he who liveth in them. Galatians ii. 20. Their Adamic nature is destroyed, as well as that of others. But it is not destroyed as that na- sure is in others. — Mankind in general have but one na- ture upon earth, with which they part at death ; and they must wait till the second resurrection before they can be invested with another. Before attaining to it, they must pass througli the gloomy vale of the second death. As human beings, they necessarily perish. See John iii. 14 — 2 H 250 THE SECOND DEATH. 16, And to them, there is no life again, until the voice, the omnific voice, of Christ shall pierce the regions of the grave ; and summon them forth to a state of existence whicli, although it consists in their being made new as a portion of the all things, is nevertheless, as to their former state, a resurrection of damnation. John v. 29. Rev : XX. 5. See also Daniel xii. 2. — Believers, however, even while possessed of this transient earthly life, are made partakers of the earnest of one which is heavenly and everlasting. They require not, like the rest of their fel- low men, to part with one state before being introduced into another. They require not to perish, before being raised up to live again. On the contrary, they are by faith, even while on earth, made to possess a principle which is in them the substance of things hoped for, the evi- dence of things not seen. Hebrews xi. 1. This is in them the realization of the earnest of life everlasting. John xi. 25, 26. xvii. 3. A very singular and interesting cir- cumstance is connected with this state of things, namely, that the human nature of believers, if in one sense de- stroyed, as it unquestionably is, by being swallowed up as to their consciences in the divine nature of Christ ; yet in another sense does not perish, as being immortalized dur- ing the subsistence of their earthly lives. John iii. 14- — 16. xi. 25, 26. Hence it is, that, as even now raised with Christ, — as even now partakers vrith him in his resurrection, — as even now seated in heavenly places with him, — believers are even already spiritually alive \ and, being so, are of course alive for evermore. Natural death merely affords to them the opportunity of having their whole persons conformed to the model or likeness of their glorified head. 2 Corinth ; v. 6 — 8. 1 John iii. 2. As to them to live, is Christ, that is, is to have Christ living in them ; so to them to die, is gain, that is, is to have the earnest of life everlasting exchanged for and con- THE SECOND DEATH. 251 verted into the full fndlion. Philip: i. 21.^ — But I en- large too much on a subject, on which, from the ineffably glorious views which it opens up and discloses to my mind, I can seldom trust myself to speak, without running the risk of becoming positively enthusiastic- B. Now, brother, I am satisfied : and for the pains which you have taken to instruct me, and the information with which you have furnished me, I tender you my best tliauks. A doctrine which is consistent with all that scrip- ture hath revealed ; which exhibits God as at once per- fectly just, and perfectly merciful, the just God and the Saviour ; which points out the merit of the one divine righteousness, as co-extensive in its application with the guilt incurred by the one human transgression ; which ex- plains how the forfeiture of their earthly privileges by the typical Israel, has been rendered subservient to the possession and enjoyment of heavenly privileges by the anti-typical Israel ; which opens up the parallelism be- tween the guilt originally contracted by Adam, running on into still greater guilt contracted by the nation of the Jews, — and the peculiar spiritual privileges conferred on the spiritual Israel, running on into general spiritual ad- vantages conferred on the whole human family ; which reconciles the never-ending punishment of the nature of Heshly Adam, with the never-ending life and happiness which are characteristic of the nature of the Lord Jesus ; which presents to us Adam's creature and therefore sha- dowy nature, and sin and death the effects of it, as de- servedly swallowed up in the divine and therefore sub- stantial nature of Christ Jesus, which is righteous and everlasting ; which teaches that sin and death entered and reigned temporarily, in subserviency to the entrance and glorious reign of grace, through righteousness, unto eternal life, by Jesus Christ our Lord, — and to themselves being thereby destroyed and swallowed up, and not, as is com- 252 IIIE SECOND DEATH. monly supposed, in order to their becoming and conti- nuing rivals, formidable indestructible and everlasting rivals, of our risen head ; in a word, which ascribes the entire glory of salvation to the Creator, and the entire be- nefit of it to the creature, is, must be, true. F. For my part, I cannot go as far as you do, Robert. Doubts with regard to universal salvation still overhang my mind. But much has been said by your brother which may yet contribute to dispel them, and which at all events I will not speedily forget. This I frankly acknowledge, that I deem many of his observations, may I not rather call them discoveries, most valuable. His reconciliation of the doctrine of universal salvation, with that of the com- plete destruction of the wicked — doctrines vvhich are gen- erally considered to be incompatible — has particularly struck me. It is not merely novel and ingenious, but may, after all, turn out to be the germ of views by which all existing difficulties may be removed; and a system of divine truth, clearer and more self-consistent than any which have hitherto been propounded, may ultimately de- velop itself. This I say, because it appears to me that men have, up to the present time, been deducing their religious sentiments from by far too narrow premises, and bounding their views by these as if God had nothing far- ther to reveal to his church. — Whatever may be the result as to my future convictions, Thom, you have my thanks for the kindness and courtesy which in the course of these conversations I have met with at your hands. — Are you not at present engaged in preparing for the press a work on the distinction between soul and Spirit P T. I am. But when it may be finished, indeed, if ever, I cannot say. I sometimes feel ready to despond about the matter. The subject involves considerations so momentous, and branches out into connected and subor- dinate views so numerous, indeed, one might almost say, THE SECOxND DEATH. 253 SO interminable, that had I, before beginning the work, anticipated them, its length and difficulty must have formed powerful reasons to deter me from the prosecution of it. As it is, the manuscript is in a state of considerable forwardness. F. When it makes its appearance, I shall be most happy to peruse it. Some of the ideas which you have thrown out respecting the difference between soul and Spir- it, both in your " Three Questions," and your " Assur- ance of Faith," have not been without producing their effect upon me. Many things seem to admit of being easily and satisfactorily reconciled upon your principles, which to me otherwise are utterly inexplicable. Adam and Christ are relatively to each other type and anti-type, ac- cording to scripture. Rom : v. 14. 1 Corinth: xv. 21, 22, 45. If so, then the mind of the one, must stand to the mind of the other, in the relation of type to anti-type likewise. And this, it appears to me, is the whole basis of and affords the key to your system. T. Gratifying is it to me to find, my dear friend, that in expressing your inability to acquiesce thoroughly in my views, and in the qualified opposition which in the mean time you are obliged conscientiously to give to me, you are evidently actuated by motives of the most upright and honourable description. Would to God ! that all my opponents were but under the influence of the same spirit ! Then, instead of censuring me and casting out my name as evil, without knowing what I have to adduce in behalf of my theory; and solely upon the authority of others who, for aught they can tell, may be ignorant, pre- judiced, or interested in their opposition to me; — a species of conduct which every correctly thinking mind must re- probate; — they would either pronounce no opinion at all on the subject, or would at least decline sitting in judgment and acting as critics, until they had taken care to acquaint 254 THE SECOND DEATH. themselves thoroughly with the merits of the question. 8uch iugenuous procedure, however, from mankind in gen- eral, and from professors of religion in particular, taught bj the word of life, I have no right to anticipate. Nor do I expect it. Innovation on established notions of reli- gion always has been irksome to the creature mind, and always will be so. Divine truth being, in its rise pro- gress and consummation, the greatest of all innovators, by human nature it must and will be condemned. And besides this, in so far as such truth is concerned, the fleshly mind of man wants relish for it, as well as ca- pacity to receive it. 1 Corinth : ii. 14. Oppose it, therefore, men ever must, notwithstanding that they do so to their own grievous loss and detriment. Even so, Father : for so it hath seemed good in thy sight. Matt : xi. 26. But, although truth be rejected by the wise and prudent, blessed be thy name ! that the babes and suck- lings, those whom from everlasting thou hast ordained to that end, are made to receive and love it. In this, thy wisdom and thy power are manifest. For, not only is thy purpose thus accomplished, but accomplished in such a way as to shew, that the whole is of God, not of man : the glory of salvation thereby redounding entire and undivided to thee the Creator, and in no respect whatever to the creature. Seel Corinth: i. 26 — 31, And as thus al- ways has been, so thus always till the end of time will be, the fate of thy word. The election receive it : the rest are blinded. Rom : xi. 7. THE END. APPENDIX. Appendix A. '' The way of the approprmting act entirely reverses the order and way of God. The act supposes unconverted sinners, as laudably and successfully employed in pursuing and appropriating God and his salvation ; in consequence whereof, they are to become united to God and accepted of him in Christ. But God's way is quite the contrary of this. He pursues, and appropriates us to himself, for a peculiar people, in a manner as unsought for, unforeseen, unthought of by us, as the life given to the dry bones, was by the bones; an emblem of our regeneration, when he gives us to believe the report concerning his Son. " So that he appropriates us, apprehends us, justifies us ; wherein we are wholly passive, as we were in our first receiving of life, or as Lazarus was in being quickened in his grave, when we receive by the Holy Ghost, through the word, the conviction of sin, righteousness, and judgment. " But further to this purpose, for the controversy seems to hinge here, we may somewhat more narrowly review two or three particular places more in the New Testament, whereby it will appear manifest, that there is nothing in the universe meant by justifying and savino- faith, but only a pure unmingled aud passive conviction, evidence or manifestation, of the alone justifying and saving righteousness of the Son of God, introduced into the conscience by the Holy Spirit of truth, through the medium of the word ; and that all who have this 256 APPENDIX. faith, or passive conviction, of the justifying righteousness, are not only justified and saved thereby, but also perfectly assured of their being so. *' Here by way of introduction we may observe, that the Spirit of truth, in discoursing to us of the things of God, never wrests a word that he uses, out of the ordinary sense wherein the same is used among men, in plain and ordinary conversation about things which they know ; but he takes these things just as he finds them, and applies them in their own proper and ordinary meaning to the things that are heavenly and divine : and this will appear to be his invariable method, even when using the most highly animated anJ figurative style ; much more when merely reporting a plain narrative of certain most import- ant matters of fact, to all, the most simple, unlearned, and ordinary people in the world, as well as to the mighty disputers and scribes, never varying his manner of speech. " Now if this remark be well founded, which I leave to every man's own conscience and observation at this time ; though, if it shall be controverted, I doubt not but they shall be obliged to deny the scrip- tures, or else to allow it ; if this single remark, I say, were attended to, I appeal to yourselves, if it would not utterly and eternally over- throw the appropriating act. For where is there any thing in all the use or abuse of language, that would lead a man to think of using an appropriating act, to obtain the benefit of any good news, that is, pleasing and interesting news, which he hears, and believes to be true upon the veracity of the reporter ? If the apostles meant any such strange act should be exerted, in order to take the benefit of the glad tidings which they preached, is it not beyond all belief, that they should never hint at any such a thing, either to Jew or Gentile ? Or if they have, for the sake of God and man, let the passages be con- descended upon. If they exist, we may look for them in the Acts, where many of their sermons, or declarations of glad tidings, are both begun and ended ; and the issue and application of the whole avowed by the Holy Ghost, (who spoke by them,) to be eternal life, or eternal death, to every soul of man who heard the tidings then brought to their ears. But read the Acts of the Apostles, — read the whole tes- timony of God, from the alpha to the omega of revelation, — no hint of the appropriating act of faith, name or thing, no such mystery, no such use. " But to come to particulars. Acts xiii. We hear the apostles, full of the Holy Ghost, open their commission in the synagogue at Antioch ; and speaking to all the people, Jews and Gentiles, as the Holy Ghost gave them utterance, in a plain style, to persons promis- APPENDIX. - 257 cuously assembled, like any other congregation upon earth, who could have no notion of what they were going to hear, in order to be in rea- diness with their ap-propriating acts, so necessary to be exerted, for seizing, in a vigorous manner, and resolutely laying hold upon the benefit of the things that should be spoken, as it were with hand, with tooth and nail. No such preparation, nor activity, in the least, is required in the hearers ; no apparatus, nor preliminaries at all, in- sisted for by the speakers, who honestly speak out what they know, and what they know God will stand by. All depths, and inscruta- bilities apart. " Men and brethren, we declare unto you glad tidings : How that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again ; as it is also written, &c. Now, the resurrection of Jesus from the dead implies, that he was thereby declared to be the Son of God, with power, according to the Spirit of holiness. Rom : i. 4. And also, that he, the promised Messiah, had fulfilled all righteousness ; and that he was raised up, for a certain testimony, pledge, or token of as- surance to all men, that his Father had accepted his now finished work, even the work of glorifying the Father, by becoming obedient to the death for the sake of his people, according as the Lord himself had spoken, saying. ' He, even the Spirit of truth, shall convince the world of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.' John xvi. And again, ' I have glorified thee, Father, upon the earth ; and now glorify thou me,' &,c. John xvii. And again, on the cross, ' It is finished.' John xix. " Well, having heard of the resurrection of Jesus, (and the mean- ing thereof founded on the whole testimony of God,) as a plain incon- testible matter of fact, prov.en by hundreds of eye-witnesses, and mi- racles innumerable, as come to pass, according to all the prophecies written concerning it ; the apostles proceed in their declarations still in the most perfect simplicity of speech, without any the least hint, or warning, that they were about to utter incomprehensible mysteries, as those strange ravings most certainly are, (and Mr. Marshall,* with all the appropriating friends, do really allow, that there is some strange unaccountable kind of mystery m appropriation,) about appropriating acts, whereby people are to hammer out for themselves a truth, where- upon their eternal salvation is to depend, without any proper evidence given for it in the word of God. But no such doings here : only a • Author of The gospel mystery of sanctijication, a work highly cominend«d by Hervey in his Dialogues of Theron and Aspasio. — D. T. 2 I 258 APPENDIX. plain, ' BjE it known unto you, therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the remission of sins.' " Now to suppose here, as almost all men do, that by the word preached, or published, as it literally signifies, is meant offered or proffered in any sense of those words now used among men, appears to me to be even pure and unalloyed blasphemy ; especially considering the use that is made of such language when applied to Christ or the gospel, being a substitution of a damnable falsehood, in place of the inspired word of God. Observ^e, the men who published, divulged, spread abroad, told, or reported the miracles which the Lord had charged them to conceal, and tell no man of, are said, in the first lan- guage, to have done with regard to the matter in hand, what the apos- tle did with regard to the gospel, even preached it, according to their commission ; ' Go preach the Gospel.' ' Ye shall be my witnesses.' ' What ye have heard in the ear in secret, proclaim ye upon the house-tops.' Accordingly, they knew what they had to do ; and you never find them, (as our modern preachers, under the character which they have assumed, of Reverend Ambassadors J saying, ' We offer unto you the gospel : We make an offer of Christ unto you : Will ye accept oi proff^ered grace upon gospel terms '?' No, verily. The apostles left all such kind of traffic and negociation to the father of lies, and the other right reverend and holy fathers, papists or protestants, who make merchandize of the souls of men. " What then say the apostles ? ' We preach Christ and him cruci- fied : We declare unto you glad tidings : We certify you of the gos- pel.' Preaching, declaring, and certifying , lead us directly to the saving truth ; but offeriiig, proffering , and such like, lead us away from the TRUTH, to the doing of something ourselves, under the no- tion of accepting terms, embracing offers, and complying with proffers. Whence I infer, what I think I have proven, that the for- mer way of speaking is of God, and leads to God ; but that the latter is of the devil, and leads men away from God to the devil. " So now we fix upon it, \hdii preaching precisely s,\gm^es publish- ing or spreading abroad any matter of fact, by telling it. Preaching the gospel, then, is just declaring what the gospel is ; and when the apostles produced their infallible proofs, that their tidings were true, they left God to have mercy upon whom he would have mercy, and to harden whom he would harden : if men were not converted, the apostles were clear of their blood ; and if men now preach the same doctrine of the apostles, without mixture, addition, or diminution, honestly as they did, those men are clear of blood, as the apostles were. " But if men must needs to move a step beyond the apostles, and APPENDIX. 259 instead of leaving men with the declared truth, proceed over and above to give directions for conversion, how to attain a saving i?i- terest in Christ, 8fc., doing as thousands have done, to set aside the truth, they must even take their chance and lot with the spirit by whom they are led. For most assuredly, except they repent, and re- turn* to the simplicity of the gospel, they must die in their sins ; and poor comfort will it be to them if they perish, to find hell filled with the multitudes of those whom they have deceived, whether gone be- fore, or following after them. " Lord in heaven ! awaken the deceivers and the deceived, whom thou wilt awaken, to hear the apostles. How sweet is the joyful sound ! How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of them who bring glad tidings of great joy, which are to all people!" — J. Barclay's Assur- ance of faith vindicated, ^^.bO — 54; 3d edition. Glasgow, 1825. Appendix B. It is well known to many, that, for a considerable number of years, I have set myself, both from the pulpit and the press, in decided and deadly opposition to the popular notion, of good hojye towards God with regard to future happiness, being in any respect whatever derivable from observation of the workings of the human mind. The work of Christ Jesus proclaimed in the divine testimony, and the character of Jehovah revealed thereby, are, I have maintained and do maintain, the only, the unsupported, and the certain foundation of every believer's hope of life everlasting. Popular religionists, the genuine descendants of the Pharisees of old, while they pretend to ascribe to the death and resurrection of the Son of God, some portion of the divine comfort which those who are justified by faith expe- rience ; nevertheless take care to introduce creature righteousness, and discoveries of creature excellence, as sharing to a certain degree, with God's testimony, the honour of imparting consolation to the guilty conscience, and upholding the consolation so imparted : thereby of course nullifying the gospel of the grace of God to all who are led astray by their delusions. Under such circumstances, it is striking enough to find some of these demi-gods of the fleshlily p)ious, now and then visited with compunctious misgivings as to the truth of the doctrine wherewith their own minds are leavened, and whereby also they are actively engaged in tainting and leavening the minds of others. Such a passage as the following, which occurs in Dr. I. Watts' IVorld to come, a book referred to by me in the fourth Dialogue, will be perused with interest by all who have themselves ever been the dupes of the popular theology, or are fond of tracing to its real origin that * Eeliirn. Querv?— D. T. 2G9 APPENDIX. influence which the evangelical (?) clergy have acquired and possess over the more serious portion of their auditories : — "Some have imagined, that that perfect satisfaction of soul which arises from a good conscience, speaking peace inwardly in the survey of its sincere desire to please God in all things, and having with up- rightness of heart fulfilled its duty, is the supreme delight of heaven : but it is my opinion, God has never made the felicity of his crea- tures to be drawn so entirely* out of themselves, or from the spring of their own hoso7n, as this notion serves to imply. God himself will be all in all to his creatures ; and all their original springs of blessed- ness as well as being are in him, and must he derived from him .- it is therefore the overflowing sense of being beloved by a God almighty and eternal, that is the supreme fountain of joy and blessedness to every reasonable nature, and the endless security of this happiness is joy everlasting in all the regions of the blessed above."! If the amiable respectable and eloquent author, from whose pen the above statement proceeded, had been possessed of a little more dis- crimination in divine things than he seems to have attained to, he must have been aware, that, in writing what I have just extracted, he was pronouncing sentence of condemnation on his own religious sys- tem. For, that rejection of peace and comfort as derivable from within, which he ascribes to the saints above, is actually the privilege of the saints below. Believers do not here live upon themselves, and here- after, upon God, as seems to be the notion of Watts and other po- pular religionists : but they live upon God in every stage of then- divine existence ; here, hy faith, and hereafter, by sight. It is God manifest in Christ, as what he eternally and unchangeably is, love ; 1 John iv, 8 — 10 ; and not conclusions deduced from dabbling amidst the filth and garbage of their own fancied spiritual experience ; that speaks peace at once and for ever to the consciences (naturally guilty) of the people of God. But the poor man's eyes were holden, as those of thousands of his fellows are, that he should not apprehend the truth as to this matter. Appendix C. Let me take this opportunity of recommending to the notice of my readers a tract, entitled, Christian liberty : or, the abolition of the whole law of Moses, for its weakness and unprofitableness , either as a rule of Justification or of life. By Adelphos. Glasgow, 1837. It is the production of Mr. J, Curran, a gentleman at present residing in the Isle of Man. Although the author appears to have but a limited and imperfect view of the case and circumstances of believers, espe- * Query. Drawn at all ? D. T. f World to Come, tUscourse 10th, p. 303. Manchester, 1816. APPENDIX. 2C1 cially of their being operated on and influenced, in so far as their con- duct is spiritual, not by laws addressed to them, but solely by divine truth dwelling in their enlightened consciences as a principle; it is im- possible to go over the plain, sensible, and scriptural observations with which his pamphlet abounds, without being both struck and edi- fied. He has disposed in a way the most masterly of the claims commonly set up on behalf of the law of Moses to the obedience of Christians. Appendix D. Although the system of divinity, adopted and promulgated by the acute and learned but eccentric William Law, be, as a whole, sadly unscriptural ; yet now and then there occur in his writings passages from which one would be tempted to conclude, that he was not alto- gether without a glimpse of something better. Of this description are the following remarkable statements, tinged, no doubt, with many of the peculiarities of the mystic school, extracted from his work, enti- tled, ^/2 appeal to all that doubt, or disbelieve, the truths of the gospel : the first edition of which now lies before me ; — " But let us now change the scene, and behold the wonders of a new creation, where all things are called out of the curse and death of sin, and created again to life in Christ Jesus ; where all mankind are chosen and appointed to the recovery* of their first glorious life, by a new hirth from a second Adam, who, as an universal redeemer, takes the placef of the first fallen father of mankind, and so gives life and immortality, and heaven, to all that lost them in Adam. " God according to the riches of his love, raised a man out of the loins of Adam, in whose mysterious person, the whole humanitv, and the word of God, was personally united; the same word which had been inspoken into ^dani at his fall, as a secret bruiser of the serpent, and real beginning of his salvation ; so that in this second Adam, God and man was one person. And in this union of the divine and human nature lies the foundation and possibility of our recovery. + For thus the holy Jesus becarne qualified to be the second Adam, or uni- * Recovcrii. A mistake. The glorious life of which they are made partakers through Christ, is not a restoration to Adam's original paradisaical life, hut eki-ation to one infinitely higher. D. T. f Takes the place of. Not quite correct. The proper expression is, " Christ, the second Adam, is the antitype or substance of the first Adam, the fallen father of mankind." D. T. X Not recovery : for there is no recovery or restoration of Adam's original state, or of the creature purity of his nature. The union of the natures of God and man in Christ Jesus has heen productive, not of our being carried lack to the earthly para- dise, but of our being carried forward and elevated to the paradise of God. D. T. 202 APPENDIX. versal regenerator of all that are hovnof Adam the firsts — " All that were born oi Adam, had also a Jjirth from him,'' (Jesus,) "and so stood under him as their common father, and regenerator of a heavenly life in them." — "The same IFord that became their perfect redeemer in the fulness of time," having been " in them from the beginning, as a beginning of their redemption, therefore he (Jesus) stood related to all mankind as dL fountain and deriver of an heavenly life into them, in the same universal manner as Adam was the fountain and deriver of a miserable mortality into them." P.p. 187, 188. Jesus' " conquests over this world, sin, death, and hell, were not i\\e con(\nQsis o^ a. single person that terminated in himself, but had their real effect, and efficacious inerit, through all human nature, be- cause he was the appointed father and regenerator of the whole hu- man nature, and, as such, had the same relatio7i to it all as Adam had : And therefore as Adam's fall, sin, and death, did not, could not, terminate in himself, because he was our appointed father, from whom we must have such a state and condition of life as he had ; so the righteousness, death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ into heaven did not terminate in himself, but became ours, because he is our appointed second Adam, from whom we are to derive such a state and condition of life as he had : and therefore all that are horn again of him, are certainly born into his state of victory and triumph over the world, sin, death, and hell." P. 189. " And therefore if man was to go out oi his falleji state, there must be a son of \\\isfallc7i man, who, as a head andifountain of the whole race, could do all this, could go back through all these gates, and so make it possible for the individuals of human nature, as being borti of him, to inherit his conquering nature, and follow him through all these passages to eternal life. And thus we see, in the strongest and clearest light, both nhy and horn the holy Jesus is become our great redeemer. " Had he failed in any of these things, had he not heen all that he was, and did all that he did, he could not have made one full, per- fect, sufficient atonement and satisfaction for the sins of the whole world, that is, he could not have heen and done that, which in the nature of the thing was absolutely necessary and fully sufficient to lake the whole human race out of the bondage and captivity of their fallen state. Thus, had he not really had the divine nature in his person, he could not have begun to be our second Adam from the time of the fall, nor could we have stood related to him as children, that had received a nem birth from him. Neither could he have made a beginning of a divine life in our fallen nature, but that he was that APPENDIX. 263 God who could make nature begin again* where it had failed in our first father. Without this divinity in his person, the perfection of his humanity would have been as helpless to us as the perfection of an angel. " Again, had he not been man, and in human nature overcome sin and temptation, he could have been no Saviour of fallen man, because nothing that he had done, had been done in and to the fallen nature. Adam might as well have derived sin into the angels by his fall, as Christ have derived righteousness into us by his life, if he had not stood both in our nature, and as the common father and regenerator of it ; therefore his incarnation was necessary to deliver us from our sins, and accordingly the scriptui'e saith, he ivas manifest in thejlesh to destroy the works of the devil. Again, if Christ had not renounced this life,, as heartily and thoroughly as Adam chose it, and declared absolutely for another kingdom in another world ; if he had not sa- crificed the life he took up in and from this world, he could not have been our redeemer, and therefore the scripture continually ascribes atonement, satisfaction, redemption, and remission of sins, to his sirf- ferings and death. Again, had not our Lord entered into that state of eternal death which fallen man was eternally to inherit ; had he not hvoke from it as its conqueror, and rose again from the dead ; he could not have delivered us from the effects of our sins : and there- fore the apostle saith, if Christ he not risen, ye are yet in your sins. But I must enlarge a little upon the nature and merits of our Saviour's last sufferings. It is plain from scripture that that death, which our blessed Lord died on the cross, was absolutely necessary for our sal- vation ; that he as our Saviour, was to taste death for every man — that, as the Captain of our salvation, he was to be made perfect through sifferings — that there was no entrance for fallen man into paradise till Christ had overcome that death and hell, or that first and second death, which stood between us and it."f P.p : 191, 192. These extracts from one of the works of a most talented, although in many respects erroneous writer, are presented to the public, not as expressing accurately and perfectly my own views; for in all Law's statements, particularly in those respecting Christ's having possessed the same human nature that we do, I am far from acquiescing : but as affording a proof that he was not entirely destitute of some idea, of the shadowy jidam and his posterity having been involved in Christ Jesus the substantial Adam ; and of the important and glorious con- sequences which result from this fact. * Nearly hni \ioi perfectly covreci. However, let it pass. D. T. f The italics throughout the whole of these extracts from Law are as in the ori- ginal edition. D. T. 364 APPENDIX. Appendix E. My dear Christian friead, Mr. Richard Roe, of Dublin, having drawn my attention to a tract, entitled, 21ie love of God towards the worlds as manifested in the death of Christ ; extracted chiefly from the Christian Witness, 2d edition : a tract which, along with others from the same quarter, has been circulated extensively in the south of England, as well as in Ireland, I have been induced to give it a care- ful perusal. Mr. Roe is right in regarding it as a very fair specimen of that fashionable evangelical system, by which the simple gospel of Christ Jesus is attempted to be pushed aside. Like many other pro- ductions of a similar class with which it has been my lot at different times to become acquainted, it states doctrines as scriptural which are exactly the opposite of what is true. God, according to scripture, loves some, that he may save all ; whereas, according to it, he loves all, that he may save some. Its author, instead of perceiving, that spiritually salvation advances from the particular to the universal, attempts to reverse the matter by making salvation to proceed from the universal to the particular .- instead of perceiving that through the salvation of Christ, there is the salvation of his church, and through tJie salvation of his church, the salvation of the rest ; he attempts to shew that through the salvation of Christ, there is the salvation of all, and through the salvation of all, the salvation of a part ! In other words, setting out with views of God's love to men as being so universal, that all are called on to believe in it, and all may if they please he saved,* he nevertheless contrives to close by representing the number of those actually saved as being exceedingly sfnall indeed ! Thus after, like many others of a similar description, indulging in " big swelling words of vanity" respecting God's love to all, it turns out in reality that, according to his notions, God's love is from everlasting to everlasting only to a part of the human race. — I confess that I am apt to lose patience with such theories. " God loves all : and yet, it is in the power of his creatures to render his love to them ineffectual .'" " Christ has do?ie all : and yet, it de- pends upon a mysterious work to he done by ourselves, whether or not h\s finished (?) work shall become effectual to our salvation .'" Out upon such absurdities ! They may suit the meridian of the mere fleshly intellect ; but let them not be heard from the lips, or proceed from the pens, of those to whom it has been given, to however slender a degree, to know, in the light of the mission, work, and mediation, of Christ Jesu8,'that God is — not may he, or rvill he, but is — Love. * The very essence, by the way, of the abominable systems of Pelagius and Armiuius. APPENDIX. 265 Would to God ! however, tliat nonsense were all the charge that I could fairly adduce against the tract in question. It lies open, alas ! to a reprehension of a far more serious kind. In perusing the passage which I am about to quote, one finds great didiculty in resisting the conviction, that the author was writing in opposition to, nay, was ac- tually bearing down, the dictates of ^is own conscience. When any one speaks of "mankind — continuing to maintain their barrier against God," as if, forsooth, the creature could set up any effectual opposition to the roill of the Creator, we can afford to smile at the idea. Not so, when he can sit down and gravely pen such statements as the following : — " It is important to observe the difference between the prepositions £tc and i-jri ; as their distinct use is intimately connected with the subject of God's love towards the world, and the assured salvation of His church; as shewn in the following text, literally translated. " Rom : iii. 21. — 'But now the righteousness of God icilhuut lam is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets ; even the righteousness of God, which is by faith of Christ Jesus towards (ttc) all, and upon (tTrt) all those that believe;' not 'unto and upon all them that believe,' but the righteousness of God towards all, and upon all those that believe. The Jews had been convinced of sin ; the Gentiles had been convinced of sin ; and thus they had no righteous- ness in which to stand before God. Whether Jew or Gentile, they had no hope in themselves ; but the righteousness of God through faith of Jesus Christ, was not towards Jew or Gentile, but towards all ; eic ttoituc. And it was moreover upofi all those that believe, (cTTt Trai'rac roue Trtorsvoj^rac,) they stood in that righteousness. "Rom: V. 18. — 'Therefore as by the offence of one, judgment came towards [eic) all men, leading towards (etc) condemnation ; even so by the righteousness of one, the free gift came towards (etc) all men, leading towards (nc) justification of life. " As the passage stands in the authorized version, it states that the free gift came upon all men, as though it had been evi and not £ein^, in line 2nd from top, (Me the word human. Page 212. Line 16th from top. For presented, rend prosecuted. Page 230. Line 4th from bottom. Instead ot seeiny that is, lead, seeing that it is. Page 241. Line 13th from top. Before man's, insert that. Page 246. Line 4th from top. In some copies, for Ibid: xir, read Ibid: 14. Page 266. Note. In lines 11th and 8th from bottom, for Mr. Vaughan, read Mr. Sampson. T? T> TJ A nr< A WORKS BY THE AUTHOR. 1. REMARKS, by the Rev. David Thom, Minister of the Scotch Church, Rodney street, Liverpool, on a series of charges recently preferred against him, before the Reverend the Presbytery of Glasgow, by certain individuals con- nected mth the management of the said Church. With a copious Appendix. — 1825. Is. 6d. 2. MEMORIAL submitted by the Rev. David Thom, to the Presbytery of Glasgow, regarding the theological points of his case. Second edition. — 1825. 8d. 3. A LETTER to the Rev. Richard T. P. Pope, adverting to some important mistakes committed by him in his recent controversy with the Rev. Thomas Maguire. By Observer. — 1827. Is, 6d. (A few copies only remain.) 4. THREE QUESTIONS PROPOSED AND ANSWERED, concerning the Life forfeited by Adam, the Resurrection of the Dead, and Eternal Punish- ment.— 1828. 2s. 6d. 5. RECENT CORRESPONDENCE between the Presbytery of Glasgow, and the Rev. David Thom, occasioned by a second interference on their part with him.— 1828. 8d. 6. The MIRACLES of the IRVING SCHOOL shewn to be unworthy of serious examination. — 1832. Is. 7. The ASSURANCE OF FAITH, or CALVINISM identified with UNIVER- SALISM.— 1833. 2 volumes octavo. 21s. 8. THREE QUESTIONS PROPOSED AND ANSWERED, concerning the Life forfeited by Adam, the Resurrection of the Dead, and Eternal Punish- ment. — 2d edition, altered, enlarged, and improved. — 1835. 5s. {Out of print.) 9. WHY IS POPERY PROGRESSING ?— 1835. Is. 6d. Edited by the Author. WITHOUT FAITH, WITHOUT GOD : or an APPEAL to GOD concern- ing his OWN EXISTENCE, &c.— By the late John Barclay, A.M. Pastor of the Berean Assembly, Edinburgh. — With a Preface by the Rev. David Thom, Minister of Bold-street Chapel, Liverpool. — 1836. 2s. 6d. The Author intends publishing, at no distant period, a DISCOURSE on the ATONEMENT. Princeton Theological Semmary-Speer Library 1 1012 01144 7143