sec 
 
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 J 
 
%tit f ollotoet?) tfte 
 
 coppit of tye reflbmttg M)tci> tuag betmr 
 
 rije ,3bbote of Crofragucll ano 3Iobn iimojr, 
 
 in s©arboill conrmting tftc maffr , 
 
 in rbe pearr of &on, a tboufano 
 
 fine hunojrth tij:e fcoic 
 
 ana tujo pearcsf. 
 
 y^ 
 
 &pocaltp$. jqrij. 
 Ifo? 3! pjotett into euene man tyat Ijearety the 
 toojDeg of tlje pjop^ecte of t\>\$ bofce ; 31f anp ma 
 tyall aooe bnto tijefe ttjtngeg, C5o& (ball aoae 
 bnto ijtm tye plague^ tijat are tontten m tfai0 
 bofce. 
 
 gimpnnteo at <£ombur$ b? Robert 
 
 teftpjeirife, ana are to foloe at Xfa 
 
 Xm% at tye nether bote* 
 
 Cum pnu tlcgto. 
 
 1563. 
 
KcprtntcD by George $amto? ftttt Company. 
 1812. 
 
f oijn: fctwjc imto f^e reaoer, tootOOetQ grace 
 
 mercie ami peace, from dBoo #e fa* 
 
 t^er, ano from our JLojoe 3Iefujs 
 
 Cfytfte : totty tye fptrtt of 
 
 rigfeteoug wogement. 
 
 jFter tbat tbe p^opbet 3Isapas in great be 
 brmrncie, bab rcbufeeD the banitte of 31* « f 
 Dolles , anD 3Maters as in tbe 40. anD ^ |,a ' 4 ° 
 41. chapters, of bis propbmc botb ap* am, 4i- 
 _pear , at laff be burttftb fiwtb in rtjefe too?* 
 or 8. lift tbem bang fortb rfjere <$ods (factb be) tbat rbci? 
 map ftjauj bnto bs tbinges tbat are to come , 0: let tbem 
 Declare bnto bs tbinges tbat baue bene Done before, «c. 
 £>banj tbtngrs tbat are to come , tbat toe mar unocrflaD 
 tou to be &ons , let pou do rtbrr gooD 01 mill , tbat toe 
 map Declare it, 315p tobicb too2Dts, tbe p<!opbet Doetb as 
 it mere in mochage , prouofee 31bolaters , ano tbe 3lDoles 
 to proDuce fo: tbem femes, fome euiDent teflimonies bp 
 tbe mbirb me might be affureo , tbat in tbem was potoer , 
 anD tpat tberr religion bao approbation of <fi>oo. tobieb 
 tobrn rt»rp coulD not Do, be is boto to prononce rbis fen* 
 tence: IIBcbolD pe are of nothing , ano pour maftingisof-*f a 4T 
 nortjing , abomination batb ebofen pou. 31n inbicb too?* -" ' 
 Des tbe propbet Damnetb , bothe n)e 31ooles f tbe 3lDo* 
 laters. 3D)t 31boles, becaufe tpep can Declare rtotbing to 
 p?oue anp potoer 0? toertue to be in tbem, tofcp tbep fljo* 
 ulD be ujo:ftjippro as <9oos. 3 no tbe 3lDolaters t becaufe 
 from €>ods moutb fifty coulD bring no affuranee of tibere 
 aooultrrat anD bfurpeo religion. 3jf this reafoning of 
 tbe Propbrt , bao fufficimt flrrngrb in bts aige , to ftjato 
 tbe banttie of tbe 3|Doles , ano the pbreneticb fooliujnes 
 of fttcbe as inorfbippco tbem : tbm map tbe goDlie fbta 
 Dap mofle affnrrolp conciuDe againd tbr great 3|Dole pje* 
 fentfD bp tbe papifles to be uwrftjippc D in tberr mafic , 
 anD agamtt tbe patrons of tbe fame : tiwt it anD tbep are 
 <**if 
 
3T$c prologue, 
 
 uatnr , foolifli, odious, ano abominable before ^oo. 3flt, 
 brcaufe it bath mo matters then cucr bao the 3looles a* 
 mongest the Gentiles : ano pet batb no greater power 
 then rbrr" bao. Blbcit it batb bene iDo:fl,ippro as &o& 
 him felf. £no tbetj betattfe , rtjeTj tawftjippeo there otone 
 imagination , ano tbe toojfemanfljip of tbrrr oum baor s, 
 toitbout any aflurace of tf5oo oi of bis tooiO. 3lf anp tbiuft 
 ttjar 31 fpeafc mo:r liberally , tben 31 am able to p:our , let 
 bim confiocr tobat makers rtje 3l0oles of tbe Gentiles 
 bao , ano tobat makers tbe €5oo of b:rat> batb. Sinn tben 
 let ri)f potoer of botbe be copareo , ano let me be rebufceo , 
 if 3) fpcafe not tbe treutb. 2Dbe prophet in Difrription of 
 there toanittes, mattctb tbefe grirs. Che earth bjingcth 
 ftutb tbe trre , it grotoetb bp motffour , ano natural toactt- 
 nr s , it is cutteD Doun bv the bano of the brtoar. 2 parte 
 thereof is burnt , a parte fpent in ofrs ncccfiarie to man , 
 an ortjer parte ehofen to be maoe an 3l0ole. 2Dbis is for* 
 meo to the lictmes of man o? tooman , ano then fet top ano 
 uio:fl,ippro as a tfoo. M tijefc ano fome mo , fljall uic 
 fine to afltff f ronturre in the matting of this great #oo 
 of b:r ao. Hbr tobeat is foumi ano nouriftjro in the earth , 
 rain , oeto , ano beat bang it to maturitie. SEbe reaper 
 o; fcherrr tutttth it ooune, tbe carte oj flco ojatoen bg 
 hojs o? fome ortjer brad , ojatoctb it to the barne , o? to the 
 barnjairo. 2Dbe taffeer , oi the foot of the of traoetb it out. 
 2Lbr fan ocliucrctb it from rtje chaff. 2Dhe miliar, anu rtje 
 milffones bp rtje help of toino oj toatter , mabertj it to be 
 meall. Che fmirtj mabertj rtje prnrs , that giues to rtjat 
 #oo , his lentb ano bjcaio , liebnes ano fojm. 2Lbe fpne 
 fubflance of rtjat €>oo is nertjer toooo , goto , no? Cluer, 
 but toatter t meal maoe t maner of a o:amocb. Sinn rtjen 
 muff rtje toojbmen tabe gooo beoe to there bano. ifor if 
 the f&e be too hote , that €>oos fltin muff be burnt , if rtje 
 srnes be euill oigbt , his face toillbe blccbeo , if in matting 
 rtje rounones , rtje ring be broken, then muff an oher of 
 t)is frllouirs , receaue that bono; to be maoe a tffoo, ano 
 rtje crafeo oj cracbro miferable caih , that ones teas i hope 
 to be maoe a «f>oo , muff be giuen to a babbr to piav him 
 toitball. Sinn tjet is not all rtje Danger paff , foj if there be 
 not an anopntco pzeiff to plap bts parte aright , all the 
 formar artificers haw loff there laboure, m toitbout 
 him that «oo cannot be maoe ; pea , if he haue not intern 
 tion to cofecrate, the faftjioneo 0oo rrmaneth breao , ano 
 
 fo 
 
€$e f&ologue. 
 
 To rtjr blind people romimrr 31oolatrie. 
 
 3D)t(t are tlje artificers anD too?bmen c^at trauell in 
 mabing of tbis <SoD: 31 rtjinb as manp in nomber, as rtje 
 $?opbet rrtttertj to bane trauellcD in mabing of rtje 31oo* 
 fcs. «no if tbe potoer of bortje ttjalbe compareD, % tbinb 
 rtjep fljalbe founD in all tbinges equall, ercept rtjat rtje 
 ©oo of b:eao is fubieet bnto mo Dangers tben mere rtje 
 3lDolcs of nje ©entitles. «©en maoe rtjem. (©en mabe tt. 
 Cbrp toerc Deaf anD Dum , it can not fpeab , bear no? fee. 
 115?tcflie in infirmitie, rtjep toholic aggre, crecpt tbat (as 
 31 baue faiD) rtje poo?e ©od of b?eaD is mofie miferable of 
 all otber 3tDolcs. iFo? aceo?Ding to tbere matter tobercof 
 tbe? are maDe , rtjep toill remame totbout co?ruptio ma* 
 np peaces. HBut toirtjin one pear, that ©od toill putrifie, 
 l n)en be mud be burnt. %fyty can abpDe tbe bebemen* 
 cit of rtje toino, froff , rain , o? fnoto. But rtje toino toill 
 bloto that ©od to tbe fea , rtje rain o? the fnoto toil matte it 
 Dagb again , pea , tobirtj is mod of all to be fcarco , tbat 
 ©od is a p?ap (if be be not toel bept) to rattes anD mife. 
 iFo? rtjep toill oefp?e no better oenner rtjen tobite rounoe 
 ©oos pneto. 315ut o rtjen tobat becomertj of Cbaflcs na* 
 rural booie? bp mpracble , it flies to rtje beauen againe, 
 if rtje papifts teartj treulie , fo? boto fone foeuer rtje moufe 
 tabes bolD , fo fone fliertj Cb?ift atoap * lettertj b»r S™to 
 rtje b?cao. SI bolD anD puiflant moufe . but a ftble anD mi* 
 ferable ©od? |*et toolD 31 alb a queflion , tojertjer hart) 
 rtje p?eiff o? rtje moufe greater potoer I bp bis too?oes it 
 is maoe a ©od, bp b»r teirtj it ceafertj to be a ©od. 
 3Let rtjem auife , anD rtjen anftoer. 31f anp rtjinb that 31 
 ogbt not to moeb , rtjat tobicb rtje too?lo fo long bartj bol* 
 Den , anD great Winces pet holoe in fo great benerati* 
 on. 31 anftoer, that not onelie 31. but alfo all goolie ogbt 
 not onelie to moeb , but alfo to curfe anD Detefl, urfjatfoe* 
 urr is not ©oo , anD pet bfurpertj rtje name, potoer, anD 
 bono? of ©oo. flno alfo rtjat toe ogbt bortje to moeb, gain 
 sap, anD abbo??, all religio" obtruoeD to rtje people, toirtj* 
 out aflurance of ©oo | bis too?D , bauing nertjer refpect, 
 to antimiitie, to multituDe, to aurtjo?itie, nor efliinatio, 
 of rtjem rtjat mantean rtje fame. Cbc 310oles of rtje ©en* 
 tiles toere mo?e ancient , rtjen is rtje 3loolc in rtje maffe. 
 SDbere too:flhippers, manteners, anD patrons , toere mo 
 in multituDe , greater in autbontie , anD mo?e erecllrnt 
 befo?e rtje too?lD , rtjen euer toas anp tbat botoeD to rtjat 
 
 S3" ttjv 
 
€i)c #jologue. 
 
 _ r 3JboIe. 3nb vtt feareb not the ^Bzopfiet 3|fapas to mocft 
 
 jia. 42 anD j r fl ttjcitt, pea, ft^arpltr to rebuke them, to ttjefc uw:? 
 
 bcs. 2Lhcp are bung bacfemarb inith ttjame , thep lhalbe 
 
 aibamcb , tohofocuer truffeth in a grauen pinage , ano 
 
 ^ t that fap to the molten linage , pc are our $oos. £11 the 
 
 jia. 44. makers of graue" pmagc s are bainc, there pleating thing 
 
 rs (ball not p^offct them. j?o: thep them femes are tote 
 
 neffes, to there 3iDolcs , that thep nether fe, no: tmbcrffao 
 
 anp thing , ano the:efo?e thep lhalbe aihamcD , toho then 
 
 (faprn) he) (ball fojge a &ooi 0: a molten pmage that 
 
 profited) nothing? bcholb all tbofe that are of the fellow 
 
 ujip thereof lhalbe confounbeb , few the toorimtcn them 
 
 femes are men , let them all be gathered together , ano 
 
 ffanb bp , pet the? fljall fearc ano be confouocb together. 
 
 #nb tohen he hath fullp painteb fojth there bamtie, he 
 
 conelubeth. 2djep haue not bnberffanb , fo: <Soo rjarh 
 
 JIBlinb; fhut bp there eves, that thep can not fee, ano bartrs, that 
 
 ncs anb rt>fP tan not bnberffanb , none confioereth in his hart, 31 
 
 inbura* haue bnmt half of it , euen in the fpje, ano ijaue bafeen 
 
 tion is fefab alfo bpon the roaUes thereof 31 haue roffrb fleuje « 
 
 d5obs eaten it . anb fball 31 make tlje refibeto thereof an abomi* 
 
 ml! pu* nation , (hall 31 toto to the ffocfe of a tree? «c. SDbus } 31 
 
 nifljmet ^P* we fee, bom that the prophet noetb triumph agamff 
 
 foi 31do; the 31bolatcrs , in mocfeing of there mabnrs, anb paintig 
 
 laters. fo^tl) of there banitie. esuho then ran iufflic be offrnbeb 
 
 agamff ine 0; anp other albeit bp all mcanes pofGble, toe 
 
 let the blino lwwlb fee, the banitie of that 31bolef roitfi; 
 
 bering that bp it , ban) rtje glo?ie of &on bene ino?e ob* 
 
 fcureb, tfjen euer it toas bp anp 31bolc in the earth, ifo? to 
 
 ilrt the nonc toafi nmcr abfolutlic giuen , the name , nature, poto; 
 
 Bapiffs rr « anD t> on0} of <SoD « but w ^ at ^ DtAt allone. 3ltanp 
 
 conuber ^ m ^ ^ at $ e &f ripturcs of $ob giue bnto them patro? 
 
 cinie, ether to beleue Ctniffcs naturall bobp to be there, 
 
 after the too?bes of confecration (as thep cal them) ether 
 
 pet to beleue that Chaff ^lrftte , inhtslaff&upper, bib 
 
 offer bnto $ob his jfatber bis bobp anb bloob, bnber 
 
 thefomtes ofb:eatianbtoine, he is miferablie beceaucb, 
 
 foj the Scripture mafeeth no mention , of conucrtton 0: 
 
 tranfubftawiation of toeab in Chjiffes naturall bobie, 
 
 but initneffetb that feeao remanetb teeab , pea eue, mben 
 
 -, the faitbfull receaue the fame , as tfje ^poftle afftrmeth in 
 
 *.co, 10 t^efe uw?bes. 2Che teeab that toe bjeafe , is it not the cd; 
 
 munication of CSjnfles bobie? the cup of blifliug tobich 
 
 toe 
 
C^e #?ologue. 
 
 toe bliffe , is it not rtje comunion of tfjc blooD of Ch:iffe* 
 toe many, are one b?eao, ano one boop, becaufe toe are all 
 partakers of one b?eao. #no after tje fapertj , a0 oft as pe x <£ , „ 
 (ball cat of this b?cao, ano ounfe of this cup , pe fljeto rtje ' 
 3Lo?oes oeartj till f)e come. ILet rtjereforc , a man trp t)im 
 felf ano fo let him eat of rtjis b:cao, ano Dunk of rtjis cup. 
 ?r. Bp rtjefe too?ocs we map clcarlie bnoerftano, tobat 
 iuogement the #pofflc bM> of rtje fubfface of that £>acra; 
 ment , cuen in rtje berie action of tbe fame. #no as tou? 
 djing rtjat fooliu) opinion, ttjat Cbutt 3lefus DiD offer bis! 
 boop bnto $od bis jFartjer , bnocr rtje flumes of bjcao * 
 iaim. $c. (tobieb rtje papiftes mafee rtje grouno of rtjere 
 maffe ) tobat fuffragc tbat euer it bath by man , of ©oo, 
 no? of bis too?D , it bart) none. 2Dhe Scripture Doertj \xiit> ^ u 
 nes tbat <0oo rtje JFartjer gaue bis &one bnto rtje too?lo, Jl J ' '* 
 that the too?lo mtgbt be faueo bp him » ano rtjat 31efus 
 Cbuu DiD offer him felf ones bnto <0od, fo? tbe ocflructio ^ . 
 of ftnnc, ano fo? to take atoap rtje finncs of many , but !£,„_ 
 that euer be oio offer trim felf bnoer rtje fomtes of b:cao mo 9 * 
 ano U)int (as rtje papiftes allcoge) the bolp &oflt Doertj 
 no tobere mafee mention. £no rtjerefine tbe fairtjfull not 
 onelp map reicct it as rtje o?came ano inucntion of man, 
 but alfo are bouo to abbo? t oeteff it as a ooctrine b?oght 
 in bp &atan , to occeaue fucbe as oclpte not in the beritie 
 of $od , to tobofe mourtj ano boice are tbe faithful onelp 
 bouno. «®. ©uintpne rtjat great patron of rtje maffe, in 
 rtjis fubfequent conference , aoouccs fo? rtje pjobation of 
 bis ararmatiue , Ctytft 11etU0 DiD Offer (teyeti^e) W*Mn 
 
 imto CBtoD ty$ father, in #0 laft Supper ijuai J^jjg. 
 boD? anD Mood, tmDer tye fojmeg of b?eaD anD matiue. 
 
 tome. $C. jfo? rtje p?obation bercof , 31 fap be aoouccs 
 rtje fact of #elcbifeoec rtjat b?ogbt fiurtj b?eao ano toine. &m I4 
 fc. But boto fone be is afbameo tbereof , ano boto tm* * H * 
 able be is to p?oue rtjat tobirtj be alleogertj to be mode e- 
 afie to be p?oben , rtje Diligent reaocr map cfpp. Jfo? per* 
 ceauing him felf bnable euer to p?oue , rtjat ertjet €tyiike ^ ub ^ 
 3lefus o? pet spelcbifeoee , DiD mafee anp fucbe oblation, rr ff on jw 
 as he i rtje fono papiftes do imagine. tt>e rmertj ftraigbt f *„ a 
 to bis fo?tres | ftjameles febift. £> fapertj i^. iiuintpne. ^g 
 31 baue burt mp oton caufc, 31 toas carieo atoap toirtj ?ral ^ r 
 fc. 31t apperteaneo not bnto me to p?oue anp rtjing, but L * 
 to oefeno mp articfeles as rtjep are to?itten. |pf ^. to. 
 kt iiif. 
 
£tic l^ologuc. 
 
 ano jtji0 eollaterallcs toill rrfoluc me an Dout , then null 
 
 31 giue mp iuDgemcnt, tobether be ogbt to p;wue, oj to De* 
 
 fettD onelp. $©p Dout is this, toljettjcr arc $p. fiiuintpnes 
 
 articfeles nrcrffartc to be brlcueD to ^aluatio, o: are rrjrp 
 
 fucbr as toitbout Danger of Damnation , toe map Dout of 
 
 tijentf 3lf iue map Dout of them anD not offenD €>od, then 
 
 affurrDlp 31 tbinfe that $®. ©uintpne map JholD them fo? 
 
 treutb, til tfjat the falujeaD of them be manifrfflp DetlareD, 
 
 But if rbrv be furbr as toe are bounD to beleue as a treutb 
 
 of &oo, anD an Doctrine nceeftarie to Valuation, then is 
 
 m. Uuintpne bounD to ihato to b0 that (Son batt) p?o* 
 
 nonceo them, anD not man. Which if he be not able to do, 
 
 anD that in plaine anD erp:efi*cD toofles , then muff toe 
 
 3|ob. io. reiect them a0 Deceauable, $ fals, atcojDig a0 toe be taucht 
 
 bp our maiflcr Cbjul 31tfus fapmg : «£p ujeip bcare mp 
 
 boice, but a flranger fbep toill not beare. 3lf #. &L toill 
 
 not be reputcD an fab ]i):opber , f one that trachetb lies 
 
 in tfte name of ©od, ano fo erpone hint felf to €>ods bote 
 
 Difpleafure , be map paopone no Doctrine to the Church 
 
 of <0od, the afturancc inhercof , be bungetb not from the 
 
 mouth of ®od. 3|f (@. m» toere bratolmg in the fcoolcs, 
 
 o? bragging of bnotoleDge amdgrff the pbilofopbers , 31 
 
 toolD pacientlie abpDe , that be (houlD affirme 30 manp 
 
 paraDopes, a0 pleafeth him. wttt m the Church of <SoD to 
 
 affirme that <Sod ban) fpofecn , tuhen $od hath not fpo* 
 
 feen , o? Done that tobicb be i0 not able to pjoue , bp his 
 
 plaine too?D, that he bath bone, fo to do (31 fat?) »0 alto; 
 
 aether intollerable, anD therefore let sp. ©. fearche the 
 
 Scriptures, foz the probation of bis affirmatiuc, or els 31 
 
 toill erp als louD as 31 can, that he hath loff his caufe, anD 
 
 is conuicteD an manifefl lean in that he hath affirmeD 3|e* 
 
 fus to baue Done that, tohich no Scripture Doeth lxiit 
 
 nes , that he hath Done. iUt all men therefor 
 
 tbat toill not folloto lies, Dcteft the mafic, till 
 
 that it fino a grounD toitbin the boofee of 
 
 &0D, as 31 am aftureD it neuer (ball. 
 
 0nD that (ball the reaoer moje ea; 
 
 fplie perceaue , bp this confer 
 
 rence that follotoetb. 
 
 KeaD anD then iuDge. 
 K5- * -P 
 
irfje afcbotes 
 
 ftrft letter. 
 
 99. j©uint?ne. 
 
 iflD^n ftnor 3! am infomteo , tfcat ?e at 
 icum m tin* cuntrie, to fetfe otfputatio, 
 f ano in tpecial to malt impugnation to 
 Uertane articfele* cru^ilft t»ar pjonun* 
 ceo ano rebeirfeo be me to m? flocfe, in fcirftofc 
 t»alo on tonoa? laft toejs (treulie 3! mill not re* 
 fufe oifputatton toitb ?oto) but maift ermftlie % 
 effectuouaie couati* tye tamin, ft»a it mat be to 
 Vt glojie of d&oo, ano trpal of vt treutb, tyfee a* 
 | baif, ?e reft of re minifter*, quinlfc beg bene 
 tjeir , ano culo baif nane. &ubairfo?e gif it pleiiat 
 ?oto tbte oar biii oares in on? bouj5 of parboil 
 ?e plete, pjouioano altoa?e$ tbair be na conuo* 
 cation paffano ru rb j o? %V on atber t?oe , qubilfe 
 i0 ane fuffictent nomber, to beir toitnejai betuir 
 b$, 91 fal enter in refloning toity ?oto, ano dffoo 
 bniling fail oefeno vt taioeg arttcfeleg be t?e ma* 
 nif eft toojo of dBtoD, ano all guoe reffon, a$ tba? 
 ar tonttin, ano in tpecial n articfcle concerning 
 Vt metre, ^e faibe fure ?e tall reflaif na iniurtia 
 of me, no? nane tbat me perteni*, no? na feynoe 
 of moleftation in tuojo no? too?6, bot familiar, 
 fomrall, ano gentill refloning, ano tbmfe not tat 
 tbtjs i* oone fo? ojifttng of trwe , but be reffone 
 9] am .pbibeit ano fojbioom be m? JLojO of Cafc 
 Olli0, in name ano bebalf of tbe counf el, to enter 
 in refloning laoity ?oto , o? on? btyer to tyts re* 
 
%\)t abbots firft letter, 
 turning in tye cuntrie, qubate command 91 ^atf 
 pjotmft to obey, nottijeleg ano ^e cum not betuir 
 andtbe faid oat, 91 (all ditcfcarge my pjomijs to 
 tym boitfj Diligence, qutyairttyoucb ?e, and all b* 
 tl&erjs ma? it fjoto destjouias 91 am tbat te treutlj 
 cum to ane ttyall but oufting of tyme, aig ?e 
 mat be lure tyat % am berrat deftjoug to ijatf 
 mt &o?d of Camllte (a$ my cijeif and bjotljer 
 fone) ano btyerg mt tyetijer sfreindeMutymtof 
 91 ^aif charge , to be auditor, qubairt&oto gtf 
 it pleig (0oo tyat micl&t tyaif pjoffet of our redd* 
 niug, ano gif ?e plete to accept tbte condition, 
 t end me ?our pjomeg under ?our ijand tout, ano 
 9! Ml tend ?oto $e fbjefaio articfeleg to atoife 
 on, to t^tjs oat Uii dates, and in tye meine time 
 ?e mat P?ouide to be auditors ftc ag ?e pleig, co* 
 tbmte to tbe nomber aboue reijeirfed, and 91 #e 
 Itfte, and gif ?e brill nabrife enter in returning 
 tmttiout couocation of ftragers, tbe baill toarlo 
 mat f e, it ijs bot perturbatio , tumultuation, and 
 cummer tljat ?e fern, bnder tbe pretence of tfje 
 treto fetting furty of ti&oooejs toojo, and glone, 
 and tyis 91 certine ?otx> , 91 brill not enter in oik 
 putation toitb ?oto, gtf ?e cum totty couocation, 
 foj 91 boil nabnfe be tbe instrument of difcotfie, 
 2f a " ana al0 it ijat not neceuar ?e cum britb conuoca* 
 t^frfof tion of ftrangerjs , be redone ?e Ijaif mt JLojo of 
 me fro. Caflilltis pjomeg qutuifi i# turactent tuarrand to 
 SmI * 01(D > anD aW ^ e reft toiti^in Carricfc , and in yt 
 S no re meine ttme ?e plete to reflaif ane confutation of 
 pi?. ?our ullogifme qubilfc 91 fcaif fend to ?oto tutt^ 
 tye Laird of Capjinton elder, and gif ?e defend 
 
 tlje 
 
C^e abbtes firtt letter. 7 
 
 the tatmn tuctU , 5c ar mair able to man impug* 
 nation to myue. ®i tfyv QetDejec % require ?our 
 anftoer in torn , nnty rms berar tmtii Diligence 
 qut)atrtt#oto 31 may feno atoay to my JLotf) of 
 CatGtlli$ ag CaiD fo 3nD fa fair ?e toeill, of Crofc 
 raguell tyig ^onDay, tije Cert of September. 
 
 Ctotragueil 
 tje anftoer to tje 
 
 abboteg firft lettter, 
 
 3Io^n &nor. 
 
 $e treutlj i& tijat tye eaufe of my co* 
 ming in tijefe partem toeis not of pur* 
 pof e to f eafi Difputation, but Qmplie to 
 propone bnto tlic people 'Jcfu0 €k)iift 
 cruftfieD, to be tye onelte ^>auiour of tbe tootfD, 
 ano to teac^ further , totiat are t^e fruitejs tijat 
 d&oD require^ of t^e members of ijig Dear lone, 
 ac. 'But Rearing tyat ye $ffi in oppen auDience 
 PjoclameD blafpijemouis articfileg, mafeing pjo* 
 megtogtue further Declaratio of certaneof t^c, 
 ti&ig laft|kout>ay , i^feetpiCe in oppen affcmblie, 
 91 coulo not but of confttence, offer my felf to be 
 your aDuerfar in tijat cace, anD tyis far fo? ttye 
 caufe of my coming ?efteroay to fcirttoflaoalD. 
 
cue anntJcr to t^c abbot, firf! letter. 
 3tyat re fjaue required difputation of t$e mi* 
 nifter? (of toijome fome ate ?et pjefent) 9 could 
 ijaue none, 31 ijaroiie beleue it, tye contrary be* 
 ing allured to me bp Dtucrs of boneft report. 
 €$at yz offer bnto me familiar, fonnail, and 
 gcnttll reatomng toitb nrp trtyole ^art 31 accept 
 tye condition, tfor affuredlie m? Hojo (Co 31 ff?le 
 rou t>r rcafon of blood and not of office) eluding 
 9 bjatolmg 31 bttetlie abbo?, but tijat ?e require 
 it to be lecrete , 31 nether fe iuft caufe tob? tljat 
 re (bould require it , nether ?et good refon tob? 
 tbat 31 ftoulo grant it. gf vz feare tumult ajs?e 
 pjeter,tyat is mo?e to be feared tobere man? of 
 eutll tmmd baue a feto quiet ano peceable men 
 in tbere danger, tyentobere aiuft multituo ma? 
 gainttand btolence, if it be offered. £>f mv to?d 
 of Canutes promts , 31 nothing dout as touch- 
 ing my otone perfon, fo? 31 ffano in tije protec- 
 tion of tbe aimigbtie, to tobom 31 render bartty 
 tbanfces, to^en bte mercie and potter botoctb 
 the bartcs of men , to afftft ttic caufe of tlic tuft 
 'But 31 toonoer toitb tobat conscience yz can 
 require pnuat conference of t^of e articfcles tbat 
 pc baue publtcfelte pjopotteo? ge baue infected 
 tbe eareu of tije umplef $z tyaue toounded tbe 
 ^arteg of tbe godlie, and ?e baue fpofceu blaf pbe= 
 mtc in oppen audience. Let tour otone conf ci- 
 ence noto be iudge, if toe be bound to anftoer 
 pou in tbe audience of 20. 0? 40. of tofcom tbe 
 one ^alf are alreadie perfuaded tn tbe tteutb, $ 
 tbe otber perchance fo addicted to tour erro?, 
 tbat tljer toill not be content, tbat ligbt be cal- 
 led 
 
W$t anftoer to tyt abbot, ftrft letter* 
 IeD ligfet, and darcftneg, darcfineg. pi pe be a 
 paftoj a0 pe bjag pour felf to be, pe o$#t to ijaue 
 refpect to pour trtyole flocft , tea ; to t$e inftruc* 
 tion of all tfcofe , tljat are offended at pour blaf* 
 ptiemiejai. 35ut not» to grant bnto pou, mo?e ti&e 
 reafon, % am content of tye greateff nomber ap* 
 pointed bv rou , pjouiDci) firtt mat tlic place be, 
 £>. 9Io^ne0 fcirfc tn air , to^tcii ig a place mo?e 
 conuenient then an v bou0 in fl^apboill. ^>cco 
 oarlte , tl)at jgoter? and ^>crtbc0 be appointed 
 faittyfullp to tafie and commit to reseller in op* 
 pen audience, botfle pour rcafonee , and mpne, 
 t&at Co tee map aftoeall auoid confufion $ baine 
 repeticion in fpeafting a* fojclos t^e oiuerutie of 
 rumo# totyiclj map arif e bp reafon of obliuiou, 
 totyat^aty btm fpofee bp atyerpartie. C^eoap 
 f^ pou required, % can not fcepe, bp reafon of mp 
 fomtar pjomeg made to tije mauler of fl^artoel, 
 and bnto t^e Clmrc^etf of $iddifdall, and d5al* 
 lotoap. OBut if pe toil fend bnto me, pour articfc* 
 leg before t^e 1 5* of ting inffant , 91 foal appoint 
 $e dap, totyicij bp tije grace of 45oo 9i (ball not 
 fatll. fi pe fend pour articfileg to tlje baiUies of 
 3iir, it l&albe fuffictent difc^arge m% pou. and 
 tlmjs craumg pour anftrser, % partite deure dffod 
 if in? good pleafure be, fo to moltne pour Hart, 
 tyat pe map prefer ty$ eternal treuty, conteined 
 and erpjteffeo tn ty& fcolp toojo, to pour otun pje* 
 conceaued opinion, from air tyiss 7. of ffeep* 
 tember. 1562. infant. 
 
 Courts to command in all godliness 
 
 3!o{m linor 
 
rhe abbotes tctonti 
 
 letter, hereunto anftoer it maoe bneflie 
 to euerie bcao of ttjc tame. 
 
 fl©. ;©uint?ue. 
 
 jflE^n fcuor 3] refTauea ?our touting, 
 tons monuDa? tye feuiut of £>eptem* 
 [ber, ano conttoereD tye Jjeioeg tljairof, 
 ?ano firtt qu&air ?e la?, ?our cummg 
 m t^tjs cuntrte, tuajs not to f eife Mfputation , but 
 fimplie to pjopone bnto tye people, 31efuS Ciniff 
 crucifieo, to be tye onel? Mainour of tfje toarto, 
 pjaite be to d5oo, tijat w na netotngtsf in t^isas 
 cuntrte, o? ?e toar bonie. 
 
 3|o&n fcnor. 
 % gteatlie oout, if euer Cfcift 3!etus toes treu* 
 lie p*eadjeo, bp a papttticall pjelat o? monfi. 
 
 *$). jfouintyne. 
 S>ceonolte, qutiatv ?c alleoge mat 3] pioclamcD 
 in oppen auoience blafpijemoug articftleg $e i$ 
 ane euil iuoge tijat conoemnig o? ^e fenatoeg ) 
 t^an Ijad bene t^me to ?oto to Ijatf called tyem 
 blafpfcemoug, qu^en?e^aofene tt)em,reot$em, 
 ano fufficientlte confutateo tyem. 
 
 3Ioiw ftnor. 
 91 fcao ijaro tyem , ano thereof 31 feareo not to 
 p?onunce tyem tudje a$ tye? are. 
 
 flip. :©uint?ne. 
 C&iDlr j qu^air ?e alleoge tyat 3 pjomift becla* 
 ration of tlje fatoeg arttcfilejai, on £>onoar latt 
 
 teas, 
 
Che atobotcs fcconD letter. 
 
 toais, m? pjomeg toass (ag my ^atiD twit toill 
 teftifie ) to Do tye famin, .puiDanD aHooartg yait 
 tiaD bene na cottuocatum of ftrangers , quliair 
 t&otr> tumultuatiou anD cumer mictjt folloto, 
 anD ttoa toajs 31 eronereD of m? pjomejai, in ti&at, 
 ?e come tbair conuotcD tmrii to. ot to;, fcotr of 
 Grangers. 3|oim ftnor. 
 
 31 la? tfje utgijt before in fl$a?boil, accompanieD 
 tottlj fetoer tijen tuentie. 
 
 flp. ;©uint?ne. 
 3pperantlie mair tyfte to feift perturbation anD 
 cumer , no? tye glone of d5oD. ate 3! t»a$ ivtyU 
 beit be m? 1Lo?d of CaffiUte toty0 returne in tlje 
 cuntrte , as 31 tojait to ?oto of befoje, fo? auot- 
 Ding of cumerg. ft erDlie, gif 31 reauireD Dtfputa* 
 tion of 3Jo^n tOittocft, anD ate of maifter geojge 
 $ap 3 gif tljap ^aD orijt to to? to on? toarfiejs fet 
 furty be me, 31 report me to tye auDito?, anD ate 
 gif ttjar; refufeD 01 not , to tye t?me tija? ^aD a- 
 utfeD toitij tye counfell anD tye b?etl#eu. 
 
 3]oljn fcnor* 
 fitter geojge ^ay offereD tonto ?ou Difputa* 
 tion but ?e fleo tije barrag. 
 
 %, j©uintrite. 
 jto^air ?e tay ?e can not pertaif qu^airfoje 31 
 foulD Def^e t ecreit Ditputation. Creulie it te not 
 t ecreit , tljat te in tye p?ef ence of jrt. perfoneg. 
 &uiiair ?e top, ?e Dout not of m? Lo?D of Carol* 
 ltep$ome0,a$tueclnng?our atoinperfon. Creu- 
 lie apperanlie ?e refer ate Irttll to ^te pjomeg as 
 ?e ma? , conuoering ?e come conuopeD tmtij 0c 
 ane nomber of Grangers aj5 te aboue re^eirfeD. 
 
 * iiii 
 
Ct)e abbotes f ccono letter. 
 &ui)air ?e tat , ?e ftattt) in t^e protection: of tye 
 aimicijtie , ttoa Dote all guDe ctytftiaue men as 
 ?e, bot apperaulie ?e put ate lyttl in <te>oD0 IjauD* 
 te ajs ?e mat, t^at gote accompanieD in enerie 
 place , qu&airfumeuer ?e go totty fie multituDe, 
 qubtDDcr it be Co? Deuotiou , m protection , o? ra 
 t^er tumultuatio dBtoD mtatote, tin 31 fcuato not, 
 
 31<tyn ftnor 
 pt Do toeil to ftrtpeno iuDgement. 
 
 fl#. Dumttne. 
 j©uijair ?e toonDer toity qutyat cofcience % can 
 require pnuat conference ( treulie 3] ijaif mont 
 guDe reffonte mouanD me) firtt to auoiD tumul 
 tuattoit , perturbation, anD cummer. 
 
 3!o^n ftnor. 
 gour reatonejs are a$ ffarft to tour felfe , ag yt 
 tbmfc tyem. 
 
 *D. &uinttne. 
 £>econDlt, tyat toe mat feaif ane relfonable no* 
 ber tyat mat beir toitneg of baity our pairtejs, 
 but clamoj o? tumultuation. C&iDlt, 3! am cer* 
 tane gtf toe cum to tJje iu& trtall of tye treuty, 
 ti&air man be conference of mont butfceg, quiniu 
 can not be Done comoDiouflt iu public^ auDtece. 
 attoure ittoilbe mair IjanDfum anD eafie forme, 
 no^ mifterte not fie c r vt ng out , a? gif it tear in 
 oppe auDience, fb? gtf te bictojie cofitt in clamor, 
 o? crtig out, 3! toil quite toto p caufe but farDer 
 plet , anD ?it praife be to dBtoD , 3! mat quijitper 
 in fie maner a* 31 toilbe bars fufficientlie in tbc 
 largeft bou? in all carricfe. 
 lobn ftnor 
 
 Cfte 
 
Cfce abbotes Second letter. 
 €^e larger f)om, tye better fo? tye auoito? 9 me. 
 
 09. touintynt. 
 &ui?air ?e &? 31 fcaif mfecteo tye eatis of tfje 
 ample 31 ijatf tuounoeD tye partes of tye goolte, 
 and 3! ^aif fpofeen blafpijemie in oppen auDiece. 
 3! meruell ijoto ?e fb??et ?our felf , ctiiDaut) ami 
 radiant) on ttys maner. 
 
 3o^n fenor. 
 Clje fpeafcing of t^e treutij is cutting tmto ? ou. 
 
 ConfiDertng ?e tato ane tytui afo?e, ?e Dto ab^o? 
 all cijtoing ami railliug,bot nature pattis nurto? 
 tmtlj ? oto. 3!o*m fcnor. 
 
 31 tutll nether interchange , nature no? nurto? 
 toity ?oto, fo? all t^e p?offets of Crofraguell. 
 
 flip, &uintpne. 
 jJml)airfo?e 3 man beir toitij ?our bablme ant) 
 barmng, ajs Dotjs #?tnces, ^ear poteens ®&a 
 ieftrates , anD mon? ijuno?etljes better no? % 
 Du^atr f e efteme me as ane b?agano $affo?, 
 fayano , t^at 3 auc^t to ijaif refpect to m? ^aill 
 fiocft. 3t is quettion to me gif it be tye toeill of 
 m? flocfe , to maft oppen Difputation in p?ofoum> 
 mpfteries concerning tlje cfetftiane religion, bot 
 ?it toill 3 not refute gif on? man toill mafe mt* 
 puguation, but conuocatton of Grangers, 0? tu* 
 multuatton , 3 ^aif ^aro of publtcft Dtfputatton 
 in fcoulis, bot not afo?e aneiwlgaranD ruoemul 
 tituoe of people. 3oijn fcnor. 
 ge are not t^en to toetll fene in tije ancient to?i* 
 ters as r* b?ag. fl©. d&uintpne. 
 fl>u^air ?e &ety?e me to cum to oifpute in %>. 
 
€$e abboteg ^econa letter. 
 
 3!ol>ncjs &trfc of air , ?e ma? be Cure 31 toill not 
 m? io?u Ditpute tmtfj ?o*d tijair , fo? mon? guae rettoni& 
 Dciptf s qufctlftig to twite , tear ouer p^oltjct , bot gif ?e 
 SS tir** t0 awweine accofting to mi urft touting, 
 rrafon. 3 falbe reaDie at all t?me0, bpott biit. Da?ej5 
 
 foaming, anD tail CenD?ott) tbe articfclea bit;. 
 
 Da?egi afoje to autfe totty. anD fa fair ?e toeill. 
 
 Of Crotraguell toit^ Diligence , tije tamiu Da? 
 
 anD oair. 
 
 3!<#n ifcnor. 
 
 Ti^isas letter toes none otyertoife anttnereD 
 to? tljat t?me , but b? appointing bnto ijtm 
 t$e place , accojDtng to Jji$ otune Def?je, albeit 
 tyat no reafon coulD ijaue requireD tfjat of me. 
 
 Cijc (Carle of eafftllis letter. 
 
 Etfter partite commenDation, fojfameftlil ajes 
 31 buDerffanD tyair i$ ane Dtfputatton ap* 
 pointeD betuir ?oto, $ tije abbote of Crotraguell 
 m fl$a?botil, tije icjcbui. of tyte inUant, to tije 
 qulnife 31 am not tolling trjat on? of m?ne mat* 
 Difputation tmtij ?oto 3 ercept it cum of ?our oc* 
 cauon, fb? 31 can not bnDerftanD ti&at on? eruDu 
 tion fail pjoceiD to ttie auDitoj of tbc faimn , bot 
 rattier contraDiction anD tumult , ttic qumlft 31 
 toalD foulD not be tin ?our pairt , l?fee ajs 3 am 
 tDilltng to cauf e tije abbote of Crofraguel to Difc 
 fttt. a$ to quftafaeuer ttmt toil proffer tlicm fclf 
 to ptfacn tbr treto tooio, conform to tbc confur 
 
 tuDe 
 
Cl*e (Baxit of Caflllug letter* 
 tuor of tnc realme , map do tiic famm unttioiu 
 impeDiment ag 31 tojait to ?oto of befoje, in ony 
 of mv rot»mc$$, 3iiD ocftrcs ? oto to we me 
 ane anftoet of ttn0 touting, anD » licip ?ot»« 
 flDf garnet 3Joime$ cfjapell t^e rriij. of $>tp 
 tetttiber, 1562. 
 
 T6e ?our guDe freino. 
 
 Cafftllt0 
 tje anftoet to mp 
 
 lojDe of CaflHliis totting. 
 
 3!o^n ftnor. 
 
 •ffter ijartlie commendation, of m? 
 
 feruice bnto rour lo*Dftip, tour L. 
 
 letter DateD at p. lotmeis ctiapcU 
 
 tije rriij. of tyte inftant, receaueD 3 
 in Clglnltric tlic rrfc. of tlic fame. &0 touctnng 
 ttic Deputation appomtcD, ttic occafton did pio 
 ccaD of tnc abbotc , tclio in oppett auDience of tlic 
 people, did pjopone certaine articfclejs , to^ereof 
 tlic mofte part conteane Dcccauablc Doctrine, 
 tatyicfye nottijeleg ije pjomtfeD not onety to er* 
 plamc , but alfO to mantcanc again!* ant tliat 
 toolD tmpugne t^e fame. aB^ereof 31 being aD* 
 uertif eD, anD fo near in tlic countrie could Do no 
 lea tijen offer my f elf aouenart to tljat Doctrine, 
 totitcu *| am affurcD (balbe ccrtamc Damnation, 
 to all ttiofe tuat trntnout repentance Depart tin? 
 
 fcfiJ 
 
t^e anttter to tir)e tfarl of CaflSlliias let. 
 life, infected ttnty tije feme, and bpon tijat mo* 
 tiue 31 repareo to iairfeof toald , trijere becaufe 
 tije abbote compered not, 31 pjeacljed, and after 
 t^e Sermon a feruand of tye abboteg patented 
 bnto me a letter, conteaning in effect, tt)at aa ^e 
 tjad required dtfputation of tye otyer miuifterjai, 
 Co did ^e of me , and did appoint bnto me , tyat 
 oaf ctoj^t daf eg m 3$af botll. fl©f anf toer toes, 
 tl)at to Dtfpute 31 W ^artlie content, but be* 
 caufe 3! *)ao befo?e appointed £ mattter of fl^ar* 
 toel to be in 2£umfret$ tyat lame oaf, % defired 
 trje daf to be prolonged , to mf returnmg from 
 $etyefdaill. §n t^tis meane tf me bf letters paff 
 betuir bis t^e rrbiit. of ting tnffant t$ appointed 
 toincij Day be tije grace of tiBoo 3! mf nd to Heap, 
 pettier f et in mf iudgement ig ttyere anf iuff 
 feare of tumult , fojt tye ptrfonejs ttjat (ball con* 
 utnt Mi) me , Ml p?ome$ ano ficap all quiet* 
 neg, and of four lojdflrip 31 nothing oout but y t 
 toill tafte fuci)e o?oour txntt) four fremdeg , tt)at 
 bf tt)em ttyere (ball no occauon of trouble be of* 
 fered, and albert ttyat ttye erudicton (bal not per* 
 chance be fuct)e ag tt)e godlte toold deff re, f et 31 
 oout not botlje tije berttte and t^e falf t)eao (ball 
 appeare in t^ere otone colo# , albeit not to all, 
 y et to fuct)e as et^er ijaue earejss to ^ear £ treuttj 
 platnlf Cpoften, 0? ty eg to dtfcerne oarcmtegfrom 
 %et ty liQfrt, and tfjerefoje 31 toold mode ^umblie re* 
 fa£? if c,uire of ? out Wflnp* rather to pjouofte and en* 
 he ban curage four fretnd to ti)e (aid dtfputatton , tt)eu 
 mfi oc in anf maner to ttaf inm , f 0? tf four lo?O0np do 
 tarw to cofider tljat totyil, tt)at ^e oppenlte p?eact)e$ one 
 
 tying, 
 
C^e anmtv to tlje <£arl of CaCKUijs let. 
 tying , and toe an otyer , tbat tye tyarteg of tye accufe 
 people are diffract, tea, ana tnflambeD one a* me as ije 
 gaintt another, tour lojdfoip fooulo rather feare JjJ** *- 
 tumult and trouble to eufeto thereof, tben of "** 
 mutuall conference , in tbe audience of peceable 
 and autet men. €be nomber i$ not great tbat 
 te admitted to bear, and tberefoje trouble in lejs 
 to be feared. $lcafc tour lojdOnp to bnderffattd 
 tbat tbe berttie ogbt to be to itf, mo?e deare tyen 
 our otone liueis, and tberefoje toe mat not leaue 
 tbc mantenance of tbc tame , fo? feare of tnar 
 tirtjereof tbc tflicio is in the nanDcs of d5od , to 
 tobofe p?otectton % mode partite commit tour 
 lojdfbip. flDf OJginltrte in baift tbe tame boure 
 tour lojdlbipg letter toes receaued. 1562. 
 
 JOoure loitdOnpus to command 
 in all godlinejs. 
 
 §o&n &nojc 
 tje abl)ote0 tl#fo 
 
 letter anfiooered bt mouty. 
 
 09. dBuinttne. 
 flMjn ifcnor 3! perfaif tbe policie Wed 
 1 be ?oto and titbers , to mafi m v attnn 
 ! at mt partie. Cbe laft ttme ?e come 
 in tbte cuntrie , % tea* perfuaded be m M 
 mt Hojo of CaOHlijs not to rancounter ?ot» , 0? mm °" 
 
C^e abboteis ttyfo letter. 
 
 eljai treulie ?e fulD not ^atf paffeD tmraucoutereD 
 
 ao ?e DID, bot ?e falbc auureD 3! fal ftetp Dap and 
 
 place in flPapboill according to mp touting, ano 
 
 3! Ijatf mp life , and my fett louf e , uottotttiftau* 
 
 Dtng onr trotting that ts cumin to me , f ra mp 
 
 Lo?D of Caflftli& tijerefbje fceip trpft, anD ercufe 
 
 ?oto not bpon my JLojDe of Camilla tenting, 
 
 gt feno nottoityttanDing t^at 3 ftnato tt ijs purcijett be 
 
 uie ttjat, ?ow poltcte , to put me to ttyame , ano ?our i elf 
 
 Ktuc t0 aouanfment, qu^iln fall not lv in ?our potoer, 
 
 tat mr i tljairfoje 31 affure ?oto, in cace 31 CoulD do tije fa* 
 
 diftwc min toitij ttie ijaiuart of my tyfe , Do ?e tye tyfee 
 
 bS? toityout ercufe. ano fa fair ?etoetll. Of Crofra* 
 
 toinr tm guell tins rriuj. of September. 1562. attoure 
 
 to <&od, tiwt tHair be na conuocatton bot confonne to 
 
 tojitijc ?ow touting, 0? eljs tine froir at tlje maift, of tye 
 
 SmS <wW*ui tuentie to be auDito# on atyer tyDe. 
 
 urr able 
 
 Cfte afibotes; 
 
 fourtletter. 
 0£. &uint?ne. 
 
 IflD^n lanor ano batillieg of air , tins pjef ent 
 i0 tillaouertife ?oto tyat 31 reffaueD touting 
 ano credit trnty tijtS gentle man, fra mp Lojd of 
 Cafftllis, certiftanD me tyat l)e toitt feetp Dap ap* 
 pointeo fin our Difputation , tljairfoje feetp ?our 
 pjomejs, anD pjeter na touferie be mp Lo#e of 
 Caffillis touting, ano tins fair ?e toeill. Wi 
 Crofraguell tlje rrb. of September. 1562. 
 cmfiD^mad52iciiL. 
 
C^e anftoer to tfje abboteg fourt let. 
 
 3]oljn fcnor. 
 
 TflD nether of t^cfc DiD 1! anftner otijetfarif e, 
 tijen bp appointing t^e Da? , and pjomifing 
 to fieap t^e tame, f or % can pactentlie fuffer toa* 
 tone men to fpeafe toantouc , confiDmng tnat % 
 IjaD fuffictentue anf toereo my lo?o of CafltUtg 
 in ti?at behalf. 
 
 SOme otner letters ate omittcD becauf e ttie? 
 tocrc of leg importance., folloto ttie contact 
 on*. 
 
 Ti^e Da? fywre, conoicionjs anD nomber ag* 
 greiD bpon, (oi ttie cof erence betut r maitter 
 dtamtyne &enneD? abbote of Ctofraguell, anD 
 9!o^n fcnor minuter at cEDinburgfe, 
 
 Cije oat i0 tye rrbiij of September. 1562, 
 Cije place t$e $rouefrt0 place of fl^a^boill , tije 
 tyoure to conuene ijs at etg^t Routes before none, 
 tye oar foreiaiD, tye nomber for euerie part tyall 
 be fourtie perfoneg, b? tijere Scribes 9 learneD 
 men, toit^ to man? mo as tye ^oujse mat gooDlp 
 holD, be tne ugw of mv JLorD of Caffillig, 
 ano tieirnpon , botlie ttie faiD abbote anD Jonn 
 fcnor are tttyotylie anD fultylte agreeD. 31n trnt* 
 neg thereof tije? fcaue tubftriueDtljefe prefentg 
 tmtij t^ere Jjanoeg. at fl^atbotll tye rruij. of 
 September. 1562, 
 
 Crotraguell 
 Joljn Urn? 
 
l$t nomber rcccauco \rittnn tlic Hou& 
 fojeiaiD, anD Co man? betyDes a$ plea* 
 tzb m? Hotfi anD ljt0 fremDe*. ioim 
 _ ifcnoj: aDDjeffeD turn to mafie pubtict 
 P?a?er, tuijereat tye abbote toeg tdir offenDeD at 
 tye firft, but toinl tfje fatD 3]oijn toolD tn nototfe 
 be tta?eD , Jje anD ijijf gaue auDtence , tDtycij be- 
 tng enDeD , tye abbote CaiD be mr fattlj it t$ 
 toctl CaiD. anD Co after tfiat be UaD fpo^ 
 fien certane toojDek ije cowman 
 DeD one of \w ^>crtbe$ to 
 reaD openly t)i$ p?o» 
 tettation as fol* 
 lotoety. 
 
coppir of tlic r cflomng nulnlli mes bctu t r 
 
 rtir ronun nioato: of C rofragtir II anD Ifjotm 
 itmojc in spapboile concerning ttje 
 mafic , in tljc peace of 45od. 
 1562, 
 
 0£. &utntime. 
 
 Crceaumg tije great perturbation con 
 rroucrflc anD Delicate , qiuitUi 10 fttrrco 
 _ bp laitlie m all Cijriffeurealmejs fojtye 
 caute of religion (ljono?able audtto?) and ate be* 
 ing remembjed of tbe terrible tetence conteined 
 in fcripturejs totoard all negligent patto# in 
 tyte dangerou* t^me. 31 toasas conftra^neo m 
 conCcience notuntljttandtng my great tn^abilt* 
 tie , a? it pleated dffod to fuppojt my imperfecta 
 ones to giue mftruction to all tliofc comitted to 
 my cure , toit^in m? fttrft of l&irftof toalo , ijoto 
 tbcp ftoulDi be able to be enarmeo agatnft all 
 ttucBCd and decetfull preachers qutitlfi gaejs 
 about not Knotting qulieref ra tUe v come, no; bp 
 qu^at ojdje. and to t^e effect tijat our deirlie* 
 beloued flocft intent nauc bene tne mo?e able to 
 tiaucbenctoarrc tot tn all fate totctteD 9 tongooly 
 doctrine, amang otiier godlie lefJoncs conteu 
 ned in my ejtfjotfatton % infent certane catyo-- 
 licft articfcleg ijauing tfjetr toarrand of tbe fcrip 
 tures of almtgbtp dBod, according to f doctrine 
 of tye ^alie cattjolicfee Jfrirfc, and burdened my 
 
 a 
 
Cije reObntrtg betuir 3!o. fcnor 
 conscience tit tfje pretence of d&oo tije iaint$ ar* 
 ticfelejas to be goalie , neceflarie and element to 
 be beleueD b? all gooD cl^ifttane men. 
 31oijn Ifcnor bpon fonDa? t^e auc^t Da? of ^>ep* 
 tember, came tmto tye Mb fcirft of IfctrftoftoalD, 
 being certefieD tljat 31 mtgfet not be pjefent, anD 
 as 3! toag enfomteD to matte impwgnatio to m? 
 fatDes articftles toijeretl^ougt) 31 t»?ote to ijim, 
 certtf?tng tyat % toolD affirm t5e faiDeg articfc* 
 leg , anD in fpectall t^e articfele concerning tije 
 made agatnft linn 01 cmnaf oeu cr plcaf cs to mafie 
 impugnatton tyere to topoaucfyt uatejs toarning, 
 tlje place being in an? ^oujs of *$a?bo?le , tije 
 nomber tuentte on either t?De, toittyout an? fur* 
 tber conuocation, 
 
 ^Ijojtlte toe being agreed b? touting of tye 
 Da? Ijour and place , qulnift toa$_ tije 28. Da? of 
 t$& inftant September. 31 am comen confonne 
 to m? touting to affirme tye taioejs articfcles 
 as tye? are tojitten , beginning at tye articfile 
 concerning tye maffe. $?otetting altoa?es t^at 
 3] come not to Difpute an? of m? arttcfcleg as ma* 
 terj5offait^^religionoifputable,cofiDeringt^eir 
 10 o?D?e tafcen alreaoie b? tye fcirfe of d&oD ( as 
 j toold fa? ) be tlje generall conncelles , Deulte 
 couened quiitlft repjetents tije bniuerfal fttrft 
 of almiglitr <0oD to toliom it appcrtcmes to ranc 
 o?D?e qnijenfoeuer quettion rtfes fo? maters con* 
 cermng fatty anD religion , bnt accojDing to tije 
 Doctrine of #>. ^eter anD als fb. ^aule to ren* 
 Der m? Dett anD Duetie to all tfjat inquires tijer* 
 fo?e $ anD after tyat maner to ab?De gentle anD 
 
 fomrall 
 
ana tbe abbote of CrotraguelL 2 
 fomtall rationing of alt tbat pleaf eg, ass ma? 
 ftana to tbe glojie of ti&oa ana tbe tnttruction of 
 tnc auoito?. anD to tnc effect fojetiaia mat toe 
 may come to fomtal reubning, a0 totoara tbe ar* 
 ticfele cocermng t^e maffe , 3 toil grouna me b* 
 pon tbe ^crtptuteis of almtgbtie d&oa , to be my 
 toarrana cofomtc to nxv firft cofirmation, qublift 
 mas gatbcrca upon riic pjicttbeao ana oblation 
 of fl^elcbifeaec : ana toais pjefentet ?ou in 
 5feb?uare, ana ag ?tt bag gottc no anftoer , not* 
 fcntbffauaing tbat tt mag of tober quantitie tier- 
 tene 0? 20 tynejs. flUberfoje pleaf e you to receaue 
 tbte fame confirmation yet a$ of before fo? to be 
 tbe beginning of out fo?mall reafomng , concer* 
 ntng tbe arttcfcle of tbe maffe in maner ag after 
 foUotoe^* €be ^talmeft 9 ate tbe apoftle fb* 
 J&aule affirmed our ^>aluiour to be an pneft fo? 
 euer, acco?aiug to tbe o?aure of fl©elcinfeaec 3 
 quba maae oblation ana Sacrifice of b?eaa ana 
 brine bnto €>oa ajas tbe Scripture plainly teacb- 
 ejai b$ : not» toill 9] reafon on ting maner. 
 
 Eeaa all tbe cEuangell toba pleaf eg, be fall 
 una in no place of tbe (Cuangel qubere our £bafe 
 uiour btiejas tbe p?ieffbeaa of 0£)elcbifeaec , ae* 
 clartng ^tmfclf to be an pneft after tbe o?ao? of 
 fll^elcbifeaec , but in tbe latter Supper , qubere 
 be maae oblation of bte precious boar $ bluae 
 bnaer tbe fo?me of b?eaa ana mine p?efigurate 
 by tbe oblation of fl^elcbifeaec j tijen are toe 
 compellea to affirme tbat our ^>auiour maae 
 oblation of tyist boaie 9 bluae in tbe latter ^>up* 
 per 0? elss ije toajss not an mieft accotfnng to tbe 
 
 an 
 
C^e reffoning betuir 3!o. Ifcnor 
 o#o? of flfrzlctytmc, auijilti ts erpjes agaiutt 
 tije Scripture. 
 
 3!o^n Ifcnor. 
 3]oime fcnor pjotefteo tyat ije migftt ijaue tfce 
 coppie of tljis fomtar fitting giueu in by my 
 lojd in tout, to anftner tyerto mo?e fullie , $ at 
 greater leafer, xxfyicfy teas deliuered bnto tym. 
 
 :©uiutene. 
 and in lyfeemauer , my tojde p?otetted tijat Ije 
 iittpj^t Ijaue place to reply , if ije tfjogfrt good. 
 
 %ty anf ton- of iflobn iimojc to ttje abbots 
 
 option , gium m bp tftc £bbote brfojf 
 
 rhr Dtfputatton , in tamt, 
 
 giolm ftnor* 
 l^entoeuer it plcafctn <0od of ins 
 great mercy, to fteto tije ligftt and 
 to bloto tye trompet of Ins true too?D 
 bnto tye bund 9 bntyanfeful toojlo, 
 after dar&nes and log ttlence, it ijaty tye ftrcgfy 
 to moue and toalfeen not onelie tye c^ofen , but 
 alfo tf?e reprobate, but in oiuerfe maner : fo? fye 
 one it tbalfcenetlj, from ignorance, erro?, taper* 
 fticton, banitie, and Ijomble corruption, to toal6 
 before ttjere dEtod in ftnotoledge, beritie, true fer* 
 umg of Ijis maieftie , and in puritie of life. T5ut 
 tye otyer it boalfcencty from tijere fomtar duetty, 
 and yet to tljere further codemnation. for ta$e 
 as in t^c time of dartmes did liue as men toitfe* 
 out d&od, at ? found of tye trompet, calling t^em 
 to repentance, addes and ioynes to t^ere fomtar 
 corruption, blatpljcmie againft dEfod, and agatnft 
 ftis eternal berttie. foi perceauing t^att^e ligijt 
 
anD tbe abbote of Crotraguell. 3 
 
 Diftoueretb tbere turpttuD, anD tyat tbe trompet 
 toil not tuffer tbem to depe, as tbat tbe? DiD be* 
 fo?e toitbout open repjocbe ; tbe? fljame not to m 
 call lig^t, Darfcnes : $ Darfenes, Itgbt : good, euil: J m ' 5 
 anD eutl, igooD. &nD to bjmg tbat to pais, to tort, 
 tljat tbe Itgbt (bine tto moie, Doctb tbe tobole baD 
 of tucbe as oppone tbem f elues to tbe toeritie of 
 ©00 , fo earneftlie trauell , tbat ttugaroes anD 
 eftemmat men become actiue anD ftrong ^oul* 
 Dioures to tbe 2£eml. €be eremples hereof are 
 in ^>crtptures (0 comon tbat tbe? neaD no long 
 rebearfal. for to^at toas tlje eftate of tbe fals 
 
 f»2opbetcs anD l^eaftes in tbe Da?es of lifa^ag, 
 eremie , <£?ecbiel, fllpicbeas anD tye reft of tbe 
 true $2opbetc$ of d&oD. 
 
 ££ibat care ( 31 fat ) tbe? tofcicij b? oiDtnarte 
 fucceCKo ogbt to baue teacbeD tbe people of <0oD, 
 toofce ouer tbere cbarges, tbe complamtes 9 at- 
 teftations of tbe true f&iopbetes bfeD agamtt 
 tbem Do toitnes. 3!n tbe tobicb tbe? call tbem myrf. 
 bum Dogs, blinD toatcbemen, tucty as regaroeD *f «w** 
 notbingbut ambition, r?atous cbeare anD luftes place * 
 of tbe flefl). e?eij.34 
 
 j&aftcus mat feDD not tbe floct? , but feDD tbem 
 felues. finally tbe? terme tbem, men from tije « 6 
 mofte to tbe leaft , giuen to auarcte , apoftattes J * ' 
 that baD left <E>oD, bts latoes, ttatutes, anD 02m 
 nances, anD baD laiD tbem fclu es Doun to fleape 
 in tbe miDDes of cojruptio out of tye tobtclj tljer 
 coulD not be toalfteneD* 
 
 'But ?et ijoto btgtlant anD actiue t$e? toere to 
 refill tbe true #?opbetes anD tbe Doctrme oftreD 
 &iij 
 
etje reffoning betuir 3!o. ftuor 
 by tfjem , tye Scripture Doetfj tyfctmfe teftifte. 
 % far 8 tf°* ty m ^ %&W ano tucije ag aDljeareD to 
 
 * r * fug Doctrine , IjolDen as monftens in tije epeg of 
 
 t^e pjouDe p?eafte& anD of tbe multituDe. Ctyen 
 Jm * 3 tnag ieremte accufeD of treafon, catt inpjefone, 
 
 * m 22 an & DampneD to Deatl). Cijen toe0 fllptcbeag o* 
 
 peuly ftrtften bpon tye mouty , ano bjiefty tijen 
 DiD none of t^e true $?opl}ete0 of d&oD efcape 
 tlje IjatreD ano cruel pert ecutio of t^ofe tijat cla* 
 meD t^e title ano auttjone to rule in tbe Cfyutcfy. 
 C^e lame ma? be Cene in § Dar/ejas of 91ef w €t)iifa 
 fo? ^oto negligent ano careleis tioeg t^e to^ole 
 leuiticall ojDo? ( a feto ercepteD ) tyztt toojDeiai 
 of our maifter jlefuies dmfte do tDttne*. too be 
 
 ^ at ' 23, bnto you Scribes anD ^arifejs l£ipocrite& fo? 
 n fteafi tlje mngoome of ^eauen before men : n 
 pour feluejs Do not enter, anD luc^e ajs toolD en* 
 ter ?e fuffer not. 'But toijen tye trompet began 
 to blotpc in tye moutij of 31o^u tye I5aptlft, anD 
 trtyeu 3]efu$ Cimtte began to pjea$e 9 to mafce 
 mo Difttples ttien lolw DiD , toijen 9Iobn calleD 
 tyem pjogenie of biperg anD Sefujs Cfeitte DiD 
 terme tljem blinoe guiDeis, fjoto careful tna0 t^e 
 to^ole rable tfjen i ffl eaOe to be cfppeD. tfor t^en 
 
 m ' K toere ambaffaDourgi fenD to Solnt to mrotoe by 
 fctyat autbontie $e maoe fuc^e innouatton amo* 
 ge ttje people anD in tye religion of <&oD. Cijen 
 
 ^ atI5 - toajs Cimtte 3jefug tempteD tutt^ ifcarpe (jtubttl 
 
 mu^. quettiows. Cfcen toag lie accufeD fo? bjeafcing of 
 ti&e traoictoesJ of t^e ancientjs. CJjen toajai ^e cal 
 leD iseel?ebub, anD in tbe enD Jje toajs pjocureD 
 to be ijaugeD betuer ttuo t^euegf. anD bv to^ofe 
 
 Diligence 
 
anD tlje abbote of crotrauell. 4 
 
 Diligence toes all t^iis b?ogt)t to pa* i toeg it not 
 bp tljem ttfyo before baD abuf eD tbe lato i blmDeD 
 tije people , DeceaueD t^e ample , anD bnDer tye 
 tttle anD name of d&oD ijaD fett bp tbe Deutl anD 
 all abomination to ring ouer men? 
 
 § 01 in place of dffoDsf true toojfbipping tye? 
 ^aD erecteD a marftet , ano nitbie merc^anonfe ^M- 2 - 
 m tbe temple of dfrft. 
 
 Cbe eiection thereof DiD fo enrage tbofe Dum mu 21. 
 Dog$ tbat toitb an bay tbep began to barfte a» 
 gatnft 3Jefu0 €t)iiftz, and bi$ motte boltome Doc* 
 trine ; anD tijat becaufe tije ?eale of tbat great 
 d5oD , tbeir bellie , DiD altogether contume anD 
 eat tljc up. Cbef e t^ingeis toe imotoe to be mofte 
 true, ano tberefoje toe ogbt not to tooDer albeit 
 tbe true too#e of ti$oD reteane tije oton nature, 
 anD tbat trje felf Came tying chance noto in our 
 Date?! tbat beretofoje batb bene tulip perfonneD. 
 a$ fo? my t elf 3! nothing Dout but ttje great per* 
 turbation, controuerfie, anD Debate, laitty ftirreD 
 bp in all cimfteu realmeg , foj cauf e of religion, 
 ijs tbe caufe tbat m? t lLo?De abbote batb bene of 
 lait Da?e$ troubleD to bnaccuttomeD lauboureg. 
 iffor if tbe fuperfticion,iDolatrie,p«De,baine glo* 
 rie, ambition, bniuft poffefftons, tuperfluoug m^tm* 
 renter anD ultbr: liuing bf eD $ mante^neD bere* re tofapa 
 tofo?e by Cucbe ag clametbe name anD autbontie p^V 1 * 
 of tlje Cburcb bat> not bene opentyrebufceD anD RE, in 
 a parte thereof in Ditpyte of 0>atban fupjeffeD it p^arijig 
 mat be tbogfct tbat my KLorDe in tbtf btf tmpo* 
 tent age coulD baue contenteD bim f elf toitb tfje 
 f elf fame eate anD AUietne$ tbat in bte monger 
 
Clje reffoning betuir 3|o. I&nor 
 age anD better ijabilitie , ije eniopeD ♦ Xut noto 
 ttie tropet founDetij Dampnatio to all negligent 
 pafto#, anD thereof 10 m? JLorDe afrateD, anD 
 therefore to Dtfcftarge ty$ confcience Ije toil tafte 
 t^e paine to tnttruct ty$ flocfe , 9 to tuarne tfjem 
 to be toare offals tea$er0. 91 tnill interprete all 
 to tije beft part, if nvp LorDe0 eve be ungle , iji0 
 tcorfte t0 gooD. "But if tye lig^t tfjat appe* 
 wt 6. retij to be in Inm, anD in In0 feet, be nothing but 
 Darcftne*, ^otu great flmll tije Darcftnejs be? nit 
 loroe t0 a clerft $ neDetfj no interpreter of fuc^e 
 places of Scripture, get for t^e Qmple ( 3 fa? ) 
 
 scrriu $ at r i8W e t0 teac 9 ^ e floc & °£ 31efu0 Cimfte, 
 
 imoto, requtretij rigijt tnttitucion in Cl#ifte0 ottw doc* 
 
 ifogc 10 trine, for el0 a ?eale toitijout ftnotoleDge 10 no- 
 
 rrquirrD ^mg but tije caufe of further blinone^. gea , if 
 
 p"rarhrr ^ e Wfottie leaD tije blinDe , tye ignorant iDolater 
 
 tafie bpon inm to teacije t^e ignorant people of 
 
 log time brogijt bp in tDolatrie: neither of botije 
 
 can cfcape condemnation fo long a0 tptv follotn 
 
 t^at trame. &nD therefore it toil nothing imbur* 
 
 Ding m? LorDe0 confcience albeit tyat after #0 
 
 negligence anD log niece ^e begin to cry, to fuc^e 
 
 a0 ^e tearmeg In0 flocft, betuar of fal0 propfcete0, 
 
 for it ma? be tljat inm f elf be one of tyat nober. 
 
 pta, perchance tije fatfeft tyat t^er fcaue ^aroe 
 
 tin0 Jmnoret^ rear, for if fce be a fate ^rop^et 
 
 mmt. 13 t^at teacijety men to fbllotn ftrange dffoD0, tljat 
 
 %m 14 prop^ecie0 a lie in tye name of tlje Horde , ano 
 
 fpeaftetlj to t^e people t^e Dtuination anD De* 
 
 Hm, 1 s ceat f ^ t otxin ijart , tyat caufetlj t^e people to 
 
 erre, anD leaue tye olD pat^e0„ anD to toalfee in 
 
 tfce 
 
and ttye abbote of Crofraguell. 5 
 tije patije of tlje toa? tljat 10 not troDen. Cljat 
 conftantltr far to timn that Uauc pzouoHcD ma 
 to angre. Cije &o$e tieatt) tpofteu tt. jae ©all 
 ijaue peace. &na to all tljat toalft after ttje lulled 
 of t^ere otou partes ttycre foal no euil chance on- _, 
 to ?ou. $c. %i finally , tbep be fate pjopijeteiai m *' 
 tliat be auanctous auD ftuDt c fo; aDuatage, tuat 
 fotue pillouea bnDer ttje arme Hoillcs of toicfteD ©$M3- 
 men, ano lay uuners a (leap, ano pjomes life to 
 tljem, to trtyome tljep ogtjt not to pjomeis it. 3]f 
 t^efe be fate pjop^etoef (1 l&t?) ass ttje Scripture 
 effirmety tljem to be , ttjen ffanoetlj ntp Ho?oe 
 abbote in a toonDeroug perpleritie ano fuclje ag 
 belewe tym, in no les Danger. 
 ftn d&oD Dart) neuer pjonunceD, fuc^e articftleg 
 as m? iLotfie called Ijolfonte Doctrine , tye ctiief 
 of tyem, to Hut, tije maffe, purgatone, pjaping to 
 taiuctes , erecting of images $ tucije otljer, tyaue 
 no atturance of d^oDjs too?De, but are tije meare 
 D?eamej3 , ftatutes , anD indentions of men , as 
 tyere particuler eraminatio (if nvp Ho?D pleafetlj 
 to ab?De tye trpal ) toil moje plainlie trntnes , 9 
 t$erefo?e, it is no fufficient affurance to t^e con- 
 tcience of tlje auoiture, tyat my lo?D burDen l)is 
 cofcience, in tije pjefence of d5oD tyat tys articfe* 
 les be goDly, necettar, 9 erpeDient to be beleueD. 
 ftn fo fjaue euer tlje fate f&opljetes Done, tityen 
 tfjc? $ t^ere Doctrine , teas tmpugneD. 3£tD not 
 tye pretest anD pleads of TSad affirme tijere 
 Doctrine 9 religion to be goDlie, againft tye p?o* 
 p!>et dEltas? €^ey did not onety burDen tljere Mfc* 18 
 conscience, but alfo offreD t^em Celues, to fuffer 
 
 15 
 
Cije reffoning betutr 3!o* ftnor 
 tryal ( 45oD tym felf being iuDge) befo?e p &mg 
 
 2 «f 22 anD befo?e t^e tetyole people. C^e felf Came ttyig 
 DiD tlic falsi pioplKtcs agamff 0f)tcnca0 anD'Jc 
 remie, anD tfjerefo?e ?et againe 3! to? my Ho?D$ 
 conscience (if a blinD ?eal be teo?tl# of tye name 
 of conscience ) teill neither taue ijim (elf no? o- 
 tyerg, because it ijs not grounDeD bpou ©oD, ^ig 
 reneilleD toil no? p?ome0. jt mp lo?De tyinftetfc 
 tyat tye i^oty catboltcft Cijurdj tg Sufficient attu* 
 ranee fo? ty$ conscience, let tym bnDerftanD ttjat 
 
 a m tfoeSame bucftler ^aD t^e fate p?op$ete0 againft 
 aerenrie fo? tbe? cryeD, tye temple of ttie &o?De 
 tije temple of tye Lo?De, tye temple of rije Jto?D, 
 but a0 ^e tott^ one ttrofie DiD b?uft tyeir bucfeler 
 a SonDer, taking put not tour trutt in leing teo?* 
 DC0 : (o far toe that Ijote catbolicft ( tbat 10 loni< 
 uertai ) tyat euer tyeir Cijurclje ^aty bene , fcoty 
 are tyzv neuer able to p?oue it , neither in Irf e, 
 mamng of lateen, no? in f ounDneg of Doctrine, ag 
 in mv anSteer giuen br-moutij, 31 ^aue mo?e pla* 
 nel? foeteen. 3!t pleaSety mv lo?De to terme b$, 
 tmcfftD anD Deceatful pzcacbcr0 , tubo go about 
 not ftuotemg teljerefro tee come, no? bf teijat 
 o?Doure, 9 further ije fearetij not to p?onuce our 
 Doctrine, fate teicfceD, anD bngoDlie, fo? of b$, 9 
 our Doctrine it i0 plane ttyat m? JLorDe ment anD 
 menety. 
 
 31 anfteer tyat as b? d5oD$ teo?De, tee accufe 
 tye te^ole malTe of manner nature, of co?ruptio, 
 anD teicfeeDnejs, to Do tee not flatter our felue0, 
 but teillmgl? confeffe our f clue 010 fubtcct to co?» 
 ruption anD naturall toicfteDiiejs , tbat tut gooD 
 
 tbat 
 
anD me abbote of Crofraguell. 6 
 tliat toe vuolD Do, tot Do it not, but tlic cuill mat 
 toe bate, mat toe do. gea , toe Do not Den? tort 
 mat in our liueg anD outtoarD couerfation mere 
 be man? tbiugs bome toojtbie of reformation 
 anD repjebenuon. idut ?et if our liues (balbe to* 
 pareD toitb tbe liues of mem, mat accufem b& 
 be it in general o? be tt in particular , toe Doubt 
 not to be tufttfieD , bome before , tifrto anD man. 
 f o? boto man? minifterg tbtf oa? toitbtu fcot* 
 lanD, i$ m? LojDe abbote (waning mitt) tym me 
 tobole rable of me bowel) TBifcboopeg ) able to 
 couict to be aoultererjaf, fowicato#, D?oncftarD0, 
 blooDfcbeDcrg, oppe?flo# of me pooje toeDoto, 
 famertegi , o? ttranger , o? ?et , tfyat Do iDill? Itue 
 bpon v f toeat of otber meneg bjotoes. anD boto 
 man? of mem from me bteft to me lotoeft , are 
 able to ab?De an aff?fe of p fojenaeD crimen. anD 
 ?et Ojal toe be calleD b? me totcfieD anD Deceatful 
 p?eacber& euen ajs if £ ttrongett 9 mofte comuue 
 barlot, v euer toeg feuotoe i me bo&ell, iboulD tcl* 
 anDer $ reuile an bonett $ puDicft matro. Xut in 
 fomtobatmuft me Conner refemble mere father. 
 Cbe Deuil ajs mat be tjs perpetuall enimte to 
 treutb anD to ane boned life, fo tjes be a lear anD 
 accufar of our bjetbJe, anD tberefoje albeit fucbe 
 as feme bim in iDolatrie anD all famine* of life, 
 fpeto out agamtt bg, mere toennome anD leig, io 
 teftimonie of a gooD contctence , toe refer ben* 
 gauce to btm , to tobome it aperteiuetk neimer 
 ?et toolD toe baue one# openeo our moutbeg fo? 
 me Defence of our otone tnnocencie( fb? dB»oD be 
 PjatfeD , tutn before me toojlo it toill btter tyz 
 
 15 a 
 
C^e reluming Utuiv 3]o, ftnor 
 felf, toar not tyat m fclanDnng our Uuejat , tfcey 
 go about, to Deface tije gtonouis gotpel of Jefus 
 Clmfte , thereof it i^atij pleated ty$ mercte to 
 mafie bss mtmfterjes : anD in tyat cace , let t^em 
 be aftureD, ttyat tlje lies to^tc^ tuttljout (Dame $ 
 affurance, tt)ey cauue$ tnomet out againft tojef, 
 tmtij flmme anD Double coufucion tljey ftal tuft* 
 lie receaue agame in tyere otone bofomeg. 3]f 
 my HojDe abbote alleDge, tyat ije accufety not 
 our UueganD erternalconuerfatton,but ourooc- 
 trine toincl) ije termeg fate, toicfteD, and bngoD* 
 lie, toe anftoer, ttjat ajs fyat Doetfj mo?e gretue 
 b#, no? t$e fclanDjing of our liueg, fo Doubt toe 
 nothing, but tljat lie ttjat maoe ins fauojable .p- 
 meg, to affltcteD 3ierufalem in tfjefe toojDejs: 
 w ail inftrument tljat tjs pjepareD againft tijee, 
 mv ' I4 foal not pjofper , anD euerie toung, t$at foal rife 
 againft t^ee in iuDgement, t^ou (bait rigfttlie 
 conuict anD conDeme of impietie . ULU Doubt 
 not (1 fay) but tye fame dDtoD , tmll in ting our 
 age, confounD tije tounge0, tijat oppone tljem 
 f eluejs to \ji% eternal beritte, toinclj t$ t^e groud, 
 anD affurance of our Doctrine. anD tijerefoje toe 
 notfnug feare to fay, tyat my LojDe in tlje end 
 (bal fpeaD no better ( if ije continent) , in tfjat tyg 
 irreuerent railing ) tben fuclje ag ^eretofo?e, 
 liaue blafpijemeDjefug Ci#ifte,anD W eternall 
 beritie , to t^e tDlncIj albeit fo? tlje p?ef ent , tyey 
 toilnotbefumect,and tljatbecaufe ourperfonejaf 
 anD pjefence toijome <0oD mafietij mimfters: of 
 tye fame , are contemptible anD Defpyf eD , yet in 
 tye enD , tijey ftal feal, tijat in rebelling againft 
 
 our 
 
and tbe abbote of CrotraguelL 7 
 our admonitions, tbe? toere rebellious to tbe 
 moutb of dffoo , ami in defafing bs , tber; baue 
 difprfed, tbe eternal ^onne of d&od, tobo of bis 
 mercte,batb f entbS,to rebufie tbere impcitte,and 
 to reduce to ftnotoledge ,and buto tbe true pa* 
 So? again c ,fucbe, as tliwugli bltnd ignorance , 
 baue follotoed tbe inuentions, ana djeames of 
 memaud baue fogbt tuftice , remiCKon of (innes, 
 and reconciliation toitb dB»oti , by otber meanes 
 tben by gjefns Cimffe , and by true faitb in bis 
 blood. "But of tbis point , 9! imotoe my lLojoe 
 motte doubtes, Co toit, totjetber dSod batb feut 
 bs, 0? not f ijfor my lojde tapes toe go about, not 
 ftnotoiug toberefrotoe come, no?bptobato?do?, 
 toe anftoer , tbat in our contcieuces toe miotoe, 
 and be t)im t elf, toil beare bs record, tbat toe are 
 not Centb? tbat JRomane &utidmtte, tobome be 
 calletb $ope, no? yet from ty$ carnal Cardinal* 
 leg, no? dum bomed "Btfcboppes: and tbereof 
 toe reiopte , Being allured , tbat as toe are not 
 fent by Cbjtttes mantfeft enimte in tbe eartb, to 
 are toe Cent by 3Iefti# Cbufte bimfelf , ano tbat 
 by fucbe o?oo?, as ©00 batb euer fcept , from tbe 
 beginning , )o)f)tn publics corruption entered in 
 tbe Cburcb, by Ueutb, and impietie of fucbe, as of 
 duette ogbt to baue fedd tbe flocft, and to baue 
 reteaned tbe people bnder obedience of ©00, afc 
 toel in religion, as in life andmaners* Cbe o?do? 
 of dffoo ( 1 fay ) batb btnt in fucbe publics co> 
 ruptions,toraife bpfimple,and obfcure men, in 
 tbe beginning of tbere bocacion , bnfenotoen to 
 tbe tootfde: to rebufie tbe manifeft defection of 
 
 B it; 
 
Cije retroning betutr % o. ftnor 
 
 $e people from <iE>oD , to conuict tije pallor of 
 
 tijere fomtar negligence, ueutij , anD tDolatrie, £ 
 
 to p?ononce tyem bntootflne of tyere offices. 
 
 iHfg. 1 7 tfo? fo teas deltas fent m t^e Dates of aijab, 3e< 
 
 |crr. 35. remte m tbe time of abruption, bnDer Ijeijolb 
 
 amo. 2. fi j n ^ anD ^ e j, ec j) ia 4 a m0ja! jptTDer 3ieroboam, 
 
 anD t^e reft of tye $?opljets , euerte one in tyere 
 oton ttme , anD after tlje fame o?Dou? ^atlj d£>oD 
 raf eD bp i t^cf e our Dates, fuc^c me, as mt Ho?D 
 9 ins factton termes, ^eretiftes, ^>c^itmattftes 
 Eumguans, Lutyertans, ^ecolampaDians, 9 
 Calumttts. Co p?oue tye $ope, to be an anttcij? 
 ifte , tys to^ole glone in tije earty , to be altoge* 
 tl>er repugnant , to ttye coDicion of C&tftes true 
 mtmfters. Cije maffe to be tDolatrte ,_$ a baftarD 
 feruice of dEtoD, tea mo?e cojrupteD tije euer teas 
 t^e Sacrifice in § Dates of ti?e $?opijetes, to^e 
 tet $ct affirmeD tijem to be abominable before 
 d5oD. ^urgatone to be nothing but a ptfiepurs* 
 Cije Defence of manncs fretmll to Do gooD , anD 
 auoiDe euil, to be § DamneD ^ereue of jklagius. 
 C^e fo?biDDtng of mariage to ant eftate of men 
 t% tnoman, to be tye Doctrine of 5©euills. 3nD 
 t^e fojbiDDtngof meatfo? confcience (am, to .p= 
 ceaD of tye fame fontaine. C^e erecting images 
 in Ctmrc^es , 9 in publtcfc places of affembleis, 
 to be againft tye erp?effeD comntanDement of 
 d&oD. $?ater fo? tije DeaD, anD bnto (ainctes, to 
 be toojft Done toitfjout fatty, anD tyerefoje to be 
 finne. TBncflt ®oD ijaty rafeD bp men in tljefe 
 our Dates, fo to Difcouer tye turpituD anD filtyi* 
 nes of tljat Tsabtloniane ^arlote, tijat tyv toerrie 
 
 golDen 
 
anD ttje abbote of Crofraguell. 8 
 gotten cuppe , in tye txfyicf) i)iv fornication toes 
 ijiD befoje , is become abominable to all tucfje, 
 as trutt foj tye life euerlattmg. &no tljer; Ijaue 
 further fett Co tenement a fr/?e in tt>c toerrar; 
 ground of Ijir glone , ttjat i$ , in lur bfurpeD an* 
 t^ontie , tijat (be ano it, are botbe lifie to burne, 
 to tyere bttermofte confufton. 8®y LojDe ano 
 tyS companions feare no Cuclje tlncatninges. 
 tijer; are bnt railing fmaues p Difprtfullr; fpeaft 
 againft tbere ijoty mother tye €t)uvtt). % ijaue 
 alreaoie fain tbattye ^jopljetes in t^ere Darts 
 toes euenfo retoaroeD of tyot e, tijat ijao tije fame 
 trtle 9 Digmtie, tljat noto our aouerfaries dame. 
 &uD ?et DiD tljcr; not cfcape tbe plagues pjonou* 
 ceo, ano in tbe fame confiDence ftanD toe, reior-- 
 ung further, tyat botofoeuer tbey repine, ftomte 
 anD rage, ret tber; tfjat are of d&oD, bear bs, 6no* 
 toe tbe boice of 3Jetus Cbnfte fpeafting in bs ins 
 toeaft iuftrumeuts , and Do flte from tbat bo?ri* 
 ble barlote , anD from bir nitbrnes , ftfyity is to 
 bS a fufficient affurance tbat dSoD batb fent bs 
 fo? tbe cofojt of Ins cbofen. "But my totut per- 
 djance required miracles, to pjoue our laugb* 
 full bocatton. f o? Co Doetb 2Jtn?et pjocuto? fo? 
 tbe Rapides. Co botbe 3! anttoer, tbat a treutb 
 by it t elf toitbout miracles , batb fufficient Are* 
 gtb to p?oue tbe laugbful bocation of tbe teacfc 
 ers thereof, but miracles Deftitute of treutb, 
 baue efficacie to Deceaue , but neuer to tying to 
 (Sod. I5ut tbis b? tbe grace of <E»od Ibalbe mo?e 
 full? entreateD, in tbe anf toer to 2Jin?etes que* 
 ftiones tbcrebpou. anD ret one too?D man 31 far; 
 
 15 iiij 
 
€be reffoning betutr gjo. fenor 
 befbje 3> mafte end , to m? lo?de , and bnto tlje 
 reft of tije popz$ creaturegf* &ud it i0 tl^ %l 
 tyzy toill ftudie to 6eap tyem felueg, in credeit 9 
 ettimation , let tbem neuer call our bocation in 
 doubt , fo? toe in continent toill obtect to tljem, 
 tbat from tfjc moffe to tye leaft, t^ere i$ none a* 
 mongg tijem, laugj&fulty called, to feme tnit^in 
 tije C^urct) of <0ot». "But all comit tymonie , all 
 are ^eret$&e& all receaue tye tpirtt of lies, and | 
 lepjofie of da»e^e?i , ano finally, being accuf eo in 
 ttyere urftojdination, tye? neither can giue gra* 
 cc, no? beneoictio to tnc people of <3M>, ano tiii0 
 bp tyere oton lato 91 offer my t elf to pjoue, as e* 
 uioentlie ajs nrp Lo?d0 MfcbopS, abbots #?t* 
 o#, ano tye reft of tyat feet, are able to pjoue t^e 
 Celueg, called to eccleuafticall function ( as tbe£ 
 terme it ) by tbere fatberg bullet ano cofomxa* 
 tion of tbe #ope. 9! toonder not a tytil, tyat my 
 torn QioulD alledge , tliat 91 tt?$ certified tliat 
 ^e mtgfot not be pjetent at Ifcirftoflajalo, t$e da£ 
 tyat firft 91 offreo my t elf to reuff #0 baine ano 
 blafp^emoujs articftle0. 9] am able to pjoue tbat 
 by bt0 piomeis lie nao boud mm i elf ofter tbc oneg 
 to be pjefent. ano alfo tbat b? famous gentle 
 men tbat fame ^>onoa? in tbe morning be toag 
 required either to come ano teacb according to 
 Ins pwme0, ano f to fuffer 1110 Doctrine in audi 
 tnct of furije a0 ^e named ty$ otone flocfc , to be 
 trrtd, 0? el0, to come ano beare doctrine , 9 tott^ 
 fotyictic anogentilnc0, to opponat H10 pleafure. 
 Cbefe ttoo beaoes ( % fay ) 91 am able to pjoue. 
 T5ut tbat 91 toe0 certified , tbat be could not be 
 
 pjefent. 
 
and ttic abbote of Crofragucllc 9 
 pitttnt k- 3! tlnnfi tt nialbc as liaro to pwue, 
 as to p?ouc tliat ^pclclnfcocc , made Sacrifice 
 of bjeao, and toine bnto d&od. isut my lLojde 
 ftallfcauelibertie of me, to alledge intutye cafeg 
 tuiiat pi t af c tli Dun , to long as li 10 allegation fljal 
 not pjetudge tye beritie, no? giue patrocynte to a 
 lie, mmaterg of religion. %t is not of great impoj* 
 tauce, fctyetyer 31 toajs certified, 0? not, tyat my 
 Hojde could not be patent, ajs ije alledgety. % 
 p?ef ented my f elf at tye day appointed, and tyat 
 W Come argument, tyat 3 greatlie feared not my 
 1lo?oc0 pjcfencc. CUc letters mat uattc patted 
 betutr b#, together totty fome anftoerg , tyat 31 
 Differed , tbalbe put in regiffer before tye Dtfpu* 
 tatton. Cfcat men may fee, tye totyole p?oceoing0 
 of botye parties and tyte mutye by tout, to my 
 JLojdejai nrtt oration giuen in, in tojit. 
 ®oto follotnctu my anftoer , to tye reft, giuen 
 at tyat fame inftant by mouty, 
 
 3lo&tt totwjt anftoemb bj> mouth 
 
 Btfcaufe 31 perceaue , botye in your pjotefta* 
 tion and arttcMe, tnat ye ditpute not upon 
 tyef e maters, ag dtf putable , but as of tying* al* 
 readie concluded, by tye fcirft, general coufelleis, 
 and doctor : 31 muft fay fomtrtyat in tye begin* 
 ning , ^otu farre 31 ttiill admit of any of tye foje* 
 named, and of tye fcirfc ftrft ( 31 fay ) tyat 3! ac* ClrtM>2 
 fenoMedge it to be tye Cpous of Clmfte 3Ietu$, * ' 
 builded bpon tye foundation of tye apoftics and 
 j&opbets : Co tyat into all doctrine , it bcarctn 
 
 C 
 
Cije reffoning betuir 3o. ftnor 
 t$e boice of tije fpoug onelie , and an Granger, it 
 %h toill not Ijeare, according to tye tootfies of our 
 * m * matter Cimtt 3efug. Q$y tyepe ^eare m? boice. 
 &', and tyerefoje if pan? multitude, bnder tye ti- 
 tle of tye &irfe , toill obtrude, bnto bg , an? Doc* 
 trine necelTar to be beleuedto ourfaluation,and 
 bunged} not foj tfte fame , tye erpjes toojde of 
 gicfuss e&itt, o? lug &pottle& fc, men mutt aper* 
 Done me , alt^og^ 31 acknowledge it not to be £ 
 ftirft of d&od, fo? tije reafon fojefaio. and bnto 
 t^e generall counfelleg, 9! anftoer ti^e fame, to 
 toit, tfjat fuc^e as ijaty bene gathered duelie $ in 
 tye name of dBtod, fo? ertirpatio of ^ereftejs, toitf) 
 my to^ole Uarte 9 do reuerence. ^ouided al* 
 toayeg , tyat tije Doctrine , tyat ti&e? pjopone to 
 be beleueD , nattc tlic approbation of tuc plaine 
 toojde of d&oD , o? ete toitij t^at ancient 31 mutt 
 tar; , fyat moje credit i$ to be giuen to an man, 
 mm , bringing fo? Inm, tlje tettimonie of dew ^>crip* 
 mita. tureg, tfjen to an generall counfell, affirming a* 
 ny Doctrine toityout tlje fame, and ajs cocermng 
 t^e autyontie of tije doctor (fo? b^ome 3 pjat- 
 fe mv d&od, ag tyat 3 no fo? all tyem ttiijome ^e 
 %tt tijc mafeety profitable inttrumenteg in t)i& fcirfc ) 31 
 goDUe tyinft mr; &o?de , toill bind me no ttraiter , tyen 
 Sil ty *)*$) *ttWb to be bounD fym felf,tyat i£, tyat 
 ticioiS' men be not receaueD, ag d5od. and therefore 
 be rcaro tout) agugtine 3 consent , tyat toljatfoeuer tye 
 «*fc doctor p?opone, and plainly confirme tye fame 
 bV t^e euioent tettimome of tye Scriptures, 3! 
 am ^artlie content to receaue tijefame , but elg, 
 tyat it be laug^ful to me toity , 3[ewrae to tap, 
 
 totyatfoeuer 
 
and tye abbote of Cr ofraguell. i o 
 to#attoeuer ig affirmed , toitbout tbe autbontie 
 of (0ods Scriptures , \tutti the fame factlttic it 
 mat be reiected,a$ it ia affirmed. and tbefe t&e 
 admitted. ^>o fotfb 3] enter in oifputation. 
 fl$. flluintym. 
 
 Cbair ar oiuer$ beides qubairtoitb % am ofc 
 fended , toilling tfjat tbe purpofe toe come fo?, 
 mat go (botflie to paffe. Cbairftne pjefentlte 31 
 totll omitt. am) as tbe occafion fall f erue of tbe 
 Doctoures , counfalles and oclit dies , qubtUns 
 ar not erpjettt contened m tbe Scriptures, and 
 tins qmcfilie go to the purpofe. 
 91obn ftnor 
 
 &t are not ignorant ( mt Lojde) tbat in euerie 
 dtf putation, tbe ground ogbt fo to be laide, tbat § 
 mater difputable ; 01 tbe queftion , either come 
 bnoer an perfite definition , o? els bnoer an fuf* 
 ficient oifcrtption: and fpeciallt toben cheque* 
 ffton i$, m toatt Gmpltct. a$ i0 , #iff». gf it pie* 
 afe tour Lojofcinp to define tbe maffe,o? tet fuf* 
 ficientlie to difcriue it, % toill tafie occafion of p 
 tobtcb 9! tbinfc tiojoug. and if not , tben mutt % 
 erplaine mt minde , tobat maffe it is, tbat 91 in* 
 tend to impung , and nau e called idolatrie , not 
 tbe Miffed tnftttution of tbe Lojde 3]efus, totyidj 
 be batb comanded to be bfed in bte fiirfe , to btf ^« mm 
 gatneomig, but tbat totyict) is cropen in f into tbe Jffl^ 
 fiirfi bifible, toitbout all approbation off too?de not \m 
 of dBtoo. and ttyis maffe, 91 fat , batb a name , a pugmtt 
 fo?me and actum, an opinion conceaued of ttjSnS? 
 and an acto? of tbe fame, and bnto tbe tobole almkc 
 foure3] fat, tbatnettbertbe name,tbe fo?me and 
 
 C a 
 
€^e reffoning betutr 3!o. fonor 
 action , no? tlje opinion, no? acto? , ^aue tyere 
 atturance of <0oDjai plaine too?ae. 
 . #♦ &uint?ne. 
 &g to t^e Diffinicion o? Deftription ti&at 31 gatf 
 $e latt ?etr , % toill ab?De at it ting ?eit , fo? % 
 am not cumtn in bf e of at , ? non to. &ud ag to f 
 maffe ttyat be tDilimpuug,o?anp manner maffe, 
 ?ea, ariD it tnar tye paipeg atom metre , 9] tmll 
 ntantein na tiding; but gjcCuss Cinittejai metre, co* 
 fo?me to m? articfele as it i$ tu?ittin , ano Dtffi* 
 nition conteneD in mv tomb, qubtlfe ^e i)t& taint 
 on banD to impung. 
 
 3iobnftnor. 
 
 SUs 3! can conceaue , my Lo?Des anftoer, con* 
 
 teinetb ttye beaoeis, tbe &rft tit, a relation to ty& 
 
 boofce a0 conteaning tbe Difimcion of tye maffe. 
 
 jietnwn ®P fecottD a Declaration of bte to?Dfcbipe0 co* 
 
 iuDgc ftaucie. &nD t^e tbirD , an affirmation , tbat be 
 
 J°to ff toil affirme no made, but £ maffe of |eC u$ Cb?iff , 
 
 S tea, not if it trier tbe popes otrme maffe. ftnto tbe 
 
 is bnto firff g| anttoer. Cbat a ^aue not reo ins Lo?De* 
 
 Jje ifa- febipes boofce ( not ercuung tyereintill m? ottw 
 
 w negligence) ano t$erefo?e it appeared bnto me, 
 
 tfjat rather ^ijs lo?Dlbip , fooulo caufe tye Dtflfc 
 
 nition to be reD out of ins boofte , no? to buroen 
 
 me toity tbe i eafeing of it. a$ cocerning bte lo?D* 
 
 flnpeg conftancie , § bef eafe tbe eternal dBtoD, to 
 
 made bs all conuant , in bus eternal beritie : fo? 
 
 mconftancie in tbe treutb, can not lacfc infamie, 
 
 ano great Danger. 05ut to me it appeared, tyat 
 
 in no torte it can burt, tye fame, no? conftience 
 
 of tlje goDlie , to conf effe tbem i elueis men , txtyo 
 
 botbe 
 
ano riic abbote of Crofragucll. 1 1 
 botbe ma? erre, and alto be occation tbat otberg 
 erre. &nD yet , tobeu tbat tbe fuller ftnotuleDge 
 commetb bnto tbem , by tbe (pint of d5oD , no ma 
 o^lit to impute Dnto tbem inconftancie , albeit 
 tbep retreat tbere fojmar erro?,ajs in Diuerg bea* 
 Dcjs Did tiiat learneo auguftmc. 'But tbr tlirmc 
 beaD Doetb mode Delite me, to tort, tbat my lo?D 
 batli affirm cd mat lie trull Dcf cud no maflc , but 
 tbe made of tbe lojue 31e(uias: tobicb if bi$ lo?D* ^ 
 ftip totll perfomte ( as mv gooD bope ijs) tben 31 m? offer 
 Dout not , but toe are on tbe toerra? point of an 
 ctmfttane aggrement. f o? to^atfoeuer biss lo#* 
 femp (ball pwue to me , to be Done bv tbe lojdc 
 lefujs, tbat , toitbout all contradiction , 31 iball 
 embrace, $?ouiDiug tbat $10 lojDlbip alleDge 
 nothing to be Done, b? 3|efu0 Cbntte, tobidJ ty£ 
 otone inftitution, tmtneuetb not to be Done. 
 
 S®. 4&uinttme. 
 3) Define tbe meffe, ag concerning tbe fubttance, 
 anD effect, to be tbe tacrifice ano oblation, of tbe 
 Lo^dcs boDie anD bluoc , geuen anD offereD bv 1 
 bim, in tbe latter Supper. anD tafeig tbe ^>crip 
 ture , to my toarrand , according to my article 
 a0 it 10 toutten. 3nD fen tbe firft confirmation 
 of tbe lame , grounder me bpon tbe tacrifice anD 
 oblation of #clclnfcDcc. Co tbe fecono, 3 tbanfe 
 3!obu ifcnor of bte pjafe anD p wr of mv con- 
 flancie , anD intyfcmauer fo? cbnftiane cbenteiss 
 taife , pjate dBod ttiitb all my bart , foj btf inou* 
 retneg anD pertinacitie (gif ftoa be tbat be be in 
 erro? ) anD toill tow) tym , tbat be be tmlleo to 
 ref uf e t)i& pertinacitie , as 31 tell do my coftancie 
 
 C Hi 
 
C&e rettbning tottmx 30. ftnor 
 gif 3 be in erro?. €o tbe tb?iD , fo? auoiDing of 
 cau tllatton , % mein tbat 3 trull Defend no metre 
 as concerning riic f nbftancc , tnftttutton $ effect, 
 bot tl)at metre onelie, qut)ilfe is inftttut be 3etns 
 Ct)nff. 
 
 9]o^nEnojc 
 €>mttting to further conuDeration, tije anftDer 
 to tt)e Definition , to tt)e latt ttoo beaDes 3 tbojfc 
 lie anttoer, tbat 3 pjatfeD no conttancte,buttt)at 
 tobicb is in tt)e treutt). &nD as touching my otn- 
 en inDureDnes, toberetoitt) m? lojde Ceamett) 
 to bnrDen me, 3 plainlie pjoteft befoje d&oo, 
 tfjat tf 3 fenetn my f elf in erro?, in tbat cace, oi in 
 anv otber, tiiat concerned tt)e Doctrine of *bal* 
 uation : % (bould not be atbamed , publtctlie to 
 confefTe it. 05nt tbe laft parte of mv tojdes an* 
 fitter appeared fomparte to barie (in nvp tudge* 
 ment ) from tys fonnar affirmation , tolnclj 3 
 toolie to be, ttiat tits loiDQjtp tnolD Defend no- 
 ttjing in £ maflfe, fttyic^ be tras not able to pjoue, 
 to be tbe berra? inttitution of 3efus €i)ii&t. 
 and tberefoje , muft 3 ^aue recourf e , bnto tt)e 
 fbmtar Diuifion of tbe maflfe : tobicb is in name, 
 action, opinion, $ acto?. and immblie required 
 of hubs lojDfl)tp , ttiat be toolD ftgmftc bnto me, 
 if be toolD be cotent to pjoue tbe name to be g> 
 j^ote if uen b? 3efus Cb?fte: tbe tobole action anD cere* 
 W* be to monies from beginning, to tbe enD, to be tbe tfc 
 2SK? ^tmnct of almigbtie dffod. €be opinion, tobicb 
 S $ batb bene conceaueD , taugbt, anD tontten of it, 
 metre, fo? to be aggreable toitb tbe ^cripturs of dEtod. 
 anD finally, if tbat tbe acto?, batb btf affurance 
 
 of 
 
ana tfce abbote of Crofraguell. 1 2 
 of $od, to Do tnat, twlncti lie tlicrc publicthc \>io 
 teftetfj, ^e Doetij. 
 
 fl$. ^Buintyne. 
 as drilling tyat #e treutlj cum to ane trpall, 
 3 toill ttot trifle, bot ttijojtlie geues foj anftoer. 
 §] mil begin at tye beft firft, quinife 10 £ fubftauce f n C ,s 
 and effect. &nD as to tye ceremonies , acto? and 
 name, fal Defend tyem abuDantlie (CtoDtoilling) 
 conform to m? arttcfcle qutyen 31 cum tyairto. 
 ^o^n^nor. 
 C^e ceremonies tofeD in t^e maffe, anD tf)t opi* 
 mon conccau rD of tlic fame , liaue bene nolDen 
 fubftanciall parte? thereof, into tye confeience ^ n ^ 
 ofagreatmultituDe. &uD thereto, og^ttfjeco* papefo 
 fcience of tye toeaft, anD infirme, firff to be Deli* ""J"* 
 uereD from tijat bonoage. <fo? tu^at mp JLo?De MJL 
 afltrmety of ttje maffe (to toit , ttyat it ig a facri* ? not. 
 ftce) tins perchance ma? be alfo alleDgeD to apar* 
 teane to tye rig^t tnftitutton of 31efus c^tfte, in 
 fome cace, to^ic^ one? toe? tooiD, botye of tyofe 
 ceremonies, anD tfjat Damnable opinion. 
 
 $). &uint?ne. 
 91 am not cumin ijeir to mantein ttye opiniones 
 of me, but to Def enD £ inftitution of 3]efus €t)iiti, 
 conform to my articfcle. 
 
 3foim &nor. 
 9]t appeared to me yet againe , tyat nrp HojDe %ty* is 
 is drilling to DefenD no tytng, but $e toerrap **&» 
 mftitutio of C^nff 9!efus. anD % ^aue alreaDie „ 6 e J^; 
 affirmeD, tijat neither tlje name of $e maffe, tye mfl %c 
 ceremonies U eD in t^e fame, t^e opinion concea* mrf&. 
 ueD of it , neither ret tyat potter , tityicfc tije ac* 
 Ciiii 
 
C^e retfoning betutr 9!o. fcuor, 
 to? bturpetij , Ijatij either tye inttitution o? affu* 
 ranee of 9!#us oft?ifte. 
 
 fl@. Huintime. 
 91 am tDttting to Defeno my Diranition coucer* 
 ning tye meffe , as 91 ijaue oimneo tt, ano tafees 
 reg 1020 ©otfccs \doiD to my UiarranD, anD as to tHr cc 
 flto tijc remonies acto? and all t^e reft tail DefenD ti5oD 
 Kf tDtUtng to be aggreable tnit^ ©oDDes too?D all 
 m. ttyoucij abunDantlte as tptne and place M ttvuz 
 beginning ntft at tye tubttance and effect. 
 
 9oim ftnor. 
 91 anftner, fyat albeit in my iuDgement, tye 
 conscience of man, ogijt firft to Ijaue bene Cett at 
 libertte, ret Roping tyat my to?De toilbe cotent, 
 according to Ins poorness, tyat tije name, ceremo* 
 nies , anD tije reft of tije acctDents of fye maffe 
 fuffer ttje tryal by tfje m?o?tie of d&oD. 91 am con* 
 tent ftojtue to enter m tye boDie of tye mater, 
 3toD Defiretij tije Dtnmtion to be refumeD. 
 $®. 4Buiut?ne. 
 91 pjomes , befoie t^tjet ijonojable auDito?, to 
 %St DefenD t^at all coteneo in tye action of tye meffe 
 ntrmbfr to be aggreable toitf) MiDes too?o, pjouiDing 
 W w» altows toe gang to ttje tubttance. 
 m *> W$z Dimritton being refumeD. 
 
 91o^n fcnor auflaiereD. 
 gour lojDflrip is not ignorant, tyat in euerie 
 Dinmtiou, tyere ogfot to be,<smus, ttrtji# 9) 
 tafee rour lojDlbip §ere mafiet^ t^tjs term <»* 
 mfictum) but becaufe tlje term is generall, anD 
 in v Scriptures of d&oD is Diuertty taften, tijere* 
 foje, it mutt be bjogijt to a certane fiiuDe. tfo? in 
 
 ifyt 
 
ana tye abbote of Crofraguell. 1 3 
 $e Scripture? tyere be facrtficed called ©©aw. 
 Bj*irjaa tijat ij5 , of fyanfied giuing. Cije mo?* 
 nfication of our booted , and tuc obedience that 
 toe giue to dffod , m tye fame, td alfo called ^a* 
 crifice. pmtv 9 inuocatton of tlje name of d5oo 
 ^atlj alfo tlje fame name tottlnn tije ^>cnptured. 
 liberalttie totoaro tye pooje, tjat alfo fo termed. 
 I5ut tljere td one Sacrifice, tolncft t$ greateff, 
 and p moftc of all, called, p?opt«atcKmm, toljtcfc id 
 tyat Sacrifice , txtyereb? , fattffactton td made 
 to tye tufttce of <t£oo , being offended at tye fin* 
 ned of man. $c. &0M0 31 defire of my JLo?d t^at 
 ^e appoint bnto tlje maffe , tointye of tyefe *ba* 
 criftced bell pleaf cty tym. 
 
 $). dButntyne. 
 ^utjat ?e mein be tije Sacrifice , p^pmatoaum, 
 p?efentlie % tnill not oifpute. I3ut % taft t^e fa- 
 crifice bpon tye croce , to be tije onelie Sacrifice 
 of redemption , and t^e Sacrifice of t^e maffe, 
 to be tlje ^acrtfice of comemojatton, of C&tftd 
 deatl? and pattern. 
 
 gjo^n ftnor. 
 
 £a>ofarre ajaf % canconceaue of mv JLojoed an* 
 Ctoer, f)t mafeety no Sacrifice, pjopuiatoae, in ^ fir „„ 
 tye meffe : to^icfc id m cfctef ijead , totyi$ 9! in> So can! 
 tend to impung. foi , ad fo? tye comemojation none m 
 of Chitted deatij and paflton, tyat % grant, and ow - 
 publtctlic do confeffe , to be celebjat in tije riaj&t 
 bfe of tije Lojded Supper, totytc^ 3 dente tije 
 meffe to be. 
 
 %. ^uintpne. 
 
 9It in ?our deutie according to fomtall pjocei* 
 
€$e renewing betuir 31o. tonor 
 w ttits &ing 5 ^ impung m? toarranD , quljilft 3! *?aue 
 be u»f cljof en, to Decent) m? DifHnition be, and articfele 
 tms o? euen ag it is tonttin. 
 mmt 3olnifcnor. 
 
 age. #?otefting ttyat tins mefile t$ toin , tyat tye 
 fsacrtfice of tye maflfe, being Denied b? me to be 
 j^t mm a Sacrifice p^pmawie fo? t^e (mneg of £ quicfi 
 novo mo anD Uk DeaD , accotfnng to tlic opinion thereof 
 sc ujtjtt before conceaueD, ^atQ no patron, at tyijs pjef et: 
 ISt?L3] am content to pjoceDe. 
 
 o? not. 31 pjoteff tyat ^e ijejs toin nothing of me ag ?it, 
 anD referred it, to blacft ano qumte , conteneD 
 in onr tenting. 
 
 3!otm Ifcnor. 
 % ^ane openlie DenieD t^e maffe to be an ^a* 
 mt orifice propitiator foj tye quicft. $c. anD tye De- 
 fence thereof ijs DenieD. &nD tljerefoje 9! referre 
 me bnto tye fame iuDgeg t^at mt lo?De ijaty 
 clameD. 
 
 0p. &uint?ne. 
 Ee ma? Den? qu^at ?e plete, fo* all t^at ?e De* 
 n? 31 tafi not p?ef entlie to impung, bot qufjatr 91 
 s»htft on began tyair toil 3! enD, tyat i$, to DefenD Imeffe, 
 confonne to m? articftle. 
 
 31o^n &nor. 
 
 ^eing ttjat neither tye name , tije action , tye 
 
 opinion, no? t^e acto? of tlje maffe, can be Defen* 
 
 DeD fo? tyis pjefent, % tuolD glaiDty tmotoe tttyat 
 
 % tyoulD impung. 
 
 fl£. ®uint?ne. 
 ail aboue renearf eD can be DefenDeD, anD falbe 
 
 DcfenDeD 
 
and t^e abbote of Crofraguell. 1 4 
 defended ( d&odtoilliug ), and qu^air ?e are glatd 31 did no 
 to ftnato, quljat ?e f oula tmpung, apperanlte fyat tijtng 
 foulo be na netoingija; to ?oto, fo? 3! certifie ?oto but f* 
 ?e Could tmpung m? toarrad alledged foj defence S5S 
 of my difftmcion and articlil e. oeo 
 
 9!o^niftnor. 
 3Jf be tour toarraud, te bnderttand tye obla* j, auc at 
 tton made tti bjead and tome bt fll9elcinCedec, % vmt gro 
 plamlt dent, tljat fl^elctitC edec made ant oblati* uno. 
 on 0? Sacrifice , of b?eao and tome bnto <0od, 
 and defireg $e tert to be iudge. 
 flip, &uinttne. 
 It te ?our pairt to impung , and mtne to de* 
 fend, fo? 3J am tf)t defender, and falbe dSodtoik 
 ting. 
 
 3]o^n ftnor. 
 Can 3! impung mo?e plane, tyeu tofjen % de* 
 nit tour ground? 
 
 8®. Iminttne. 
 31 tat tfje dentmg of tye ground is na pjoper 
 impugnation. 
 
 3ctynfcnor. 
 ^our lotfjflnps ground is, tyat fl^elcljifedec 
 iff tije figure of Cimfte, in tyat, tiiat Ue did offer iut mm 
 bnto d£>oo bjead and toine, and tyerefoje v it be* mD s e , f 
 fcoued 3!efu$ e&ifte to offer in ins latter tapper ^i 
 Ijte bodte and blood , bnder tije fomtes of bjead arounu 
 and tome. 3 anftoer to pour ground, tet againe, w jte 
 tyat flpelctnfedec offered neither b?ead no? toine J"J&r 
 tonto d&oo. and tfjerefoje it, tijat te toold tfjere* ST 
 upon conclude ^aty no affurance of tour groud. 
 fl$. &uinttne. 
 © if 
 
C^e reflbniug betuir 3!o. fcnor. 
 #?eue tijat. 
 
 gio^tt fenor. 
 2Hijetijer tyat ttye p?obatio of a negate, tbould 
 be deuolucd bpon me , efpecially toijen 31 &aue 
 denied your clnef ground , 31 am content tlje le* 
 anted iudge. 
 
 fl©. j©uintyne. 
 fl^oued tfyouclj feruo? of ttje tryall of £ treuty 
 of dffoooejS toojde , 9! refwfe logtft captious ca* 
 <sartjer utllatioms fo? tije piefent ( not perchance fo? tg- 
 ujijat is no?ance ) bot p toe tynt not tyme, to finnifl) and 
 rpofim. euabit^ our godlie p?etence fo? tye eafe and qui* 
 etneteoftyeconfetenceof tlje noble men Jjeir pa- 
 tent. 
 
 3]oim Ifcnor. 
 31 baue els p?otetteo, tyat 31 abljo? all cautlla* 
 tiones, ano yet againe declares bnto your lo?o* 
 fljtp , tyat in my tudgement it ts tlje toay moffe 
 tuccmct, p your lo?d(bip p?oue your oton groud, 
 tyat is, tijat Q£clcfHfcdec, offered bnto d&od b?e* 
 ad ano tome, totnefj 3! dente. 
 
 $®. ;©uintyne. 
 31 tafi tye tert to be my toarrand ano ground. 
 
 3!oim tonor. 
 €ije tert being reo,tlje H.ofd&enefts. €:jjere 
 is no mentto made of any oblation of b?ead ano 
 toine, made by Spelclnfedec bnto d&oo, but one- 
 lie p 0£elclnfedec being tag of ^>alem, b?ogijt 
 ^ro- J 4- fo?tlj b?eao and tome, and tijat being #?iett of 
 tlje mode fpe <0od, ^e blelTed 3b?afjam as tye 
 tert bcaretfj tottnes. and tyerefo?e 31 fay t^at 
 tije tert, piwtty not fyat any oblation of b?eao 
 
 and 
 
and tfje abbote of Crofraguell. 1 5 
 and toinz, toag made bnto <0od bt fllpelctyif edec. 
 
 flp. ^utnttne. 3uD 
 
 ^e do affirm tijat fllpelcfnfedcc tyocijt furtlj nom Tf 
 bjeao and tome. 3! fpetr at ?oto to tuijat effects m? io?d 
 golmfonor. <W»* 
 
 Cfttll te deuolue upon me noto, tije perfone of 
 an anftoerer, fetng ttyat yz refuted tour felf of 
 befoje tye fame? 
 
 $®. :©umttne. 
 Cing quinift ije calles auttoering , te matr .p* 
 petite to tie called impungnattou in tins cace, tti *©arcfe 
 tyat, finding ttjc tert to f crue nothing fo? my pur* 2&% 
 pof e , is plame impungnattou to my pjetence. b^ni? 
 and ftoa are ?e cled rattier tmtl? tlje perfonage io?d. 
 of ane impunguar, no? ane oefendar, 
 g]otm ftnor. 
 flfttyetyer tfcat 91 fuffeane tlje perfonage of an 
 tmpungner, 0? of an defender , 31 am not bound 
 to anttoer, toijat toes done tottlj tye bjeao and 
 toine, after tyat it trass bjogltf fojtij. git fuffifetfj 
 to me fo? my fomtar purpofe , tijat tijere is no 
 mention made in ttie tert , tyat bjcad and tome 
 bt flWcinf edec toas offered onto ©00. 
 
 fl$. &uintptfe. iirt m 
 
 gjt rtnde* to ?oto to pjetf , tyat flpelciufedec \™ mt *, e 
 made no oblatton of tyead and tome onto dffod. Ijfg ,f 
 giol^ni&nor. 4. 
 
 91t fuffifetij to me, tijat in tije tert tfjere is no 
 mention made t^at Qpelctyif eoec , made ant ob* 
 latton of b?ead and toinz bnto csod, as vc before 
 aiicdgcd, and bam laide fo? tour ground. 
 #, ®uinttne. 
 3^ til 
 
e^e reflomng betuir fo. ftnor 
 91 lay tbe toojDeiB of tbe tert ar plain tijat fl$el* 
 i^ote if cbifeDec maiD oblation of bjeaD anD toine bnto 
 to **• d5oD , ana Defirejs ?oto to impjeue tbe lame be 
 t$e tert. 
 
 fobn ftnor. 
 g@f inpjobation 10 alreaDie leDD. sffo? in tye 
 tert time 13 no mction of oblation of bjeaD anD 
 toine made imto <E>od. 3nD tberefoje 31 am con- 
 tent , tbat tbe tobole too^id iuDge , tobetber tbe 
 grounD be not fufficientlie inpzouen 0? not. 
 fi©. 4Buint?ne. 
 <HpelctyfeDec bjocbt furtb bjeaD anD toine, 
 _. r qubilft be DiD not tmtbout caufe, and ?e Den? fat 
 
 iuSt & to&tifi & f urt % > f0 * ty* caufe > ^ at 31 alleDge, 
 
 oraimw ergo, fo? fome otber cauf e. &uljil6gif?e toil not, 
 
 m? 1020 no? can not (bato pjefentlie , % Sail 00 Deligence 
 
 JJjL to caufe tbe pjefent auDtto? bnDerffanD cleitfp, 
 
 ' tbat be bjocbt furtb bjeaD anD "mint fo? tbe caufe 
 
 allcDgcD be me. ^ouiDmg tbat gif ?e trull not 
 
 lbatx> tbe caufe p?ef entty, tbat ?e fal ^aue no pla* 
 
 cetotyatoitbeirefter. 
 
 3!obn &nojc. 
 31 anftoer, tbat be bjogbt fotfb bjeaD $ toim, 
 tbe tert plainly affirmetb , ana % \)auz alreaDie 
 granted. 'But tbat t)e maoe oblatio of tbe fame, 
 becauf e tbe tert .ppojtctb it not, % cannotgrat it. 
 ag toucbing tbe caufe toberefoje t)t bjogbt tt fo?< 
 tb ( if place (bal be giuen to coniectojjf, anD tbat 
 not grouDeD toitbout great pjobabilitie, anD alfo 
 toitb fufrage of fome of tbe ancients, to tt>it, 3Io* 
 fepbujs 9 Cb^foftom.) 3!t ma? be faiD tbat $®tb 
 cbifeDec being an &ing, b?o$t fo#b bjeaD anD 
 
 tome 
 
ano tbe abbote of Crofragnelle 1 6 
 mm, to refrelb abjabam and ty# toerie fouldi* 
 o#. &nd t^t0 , fo? pour fetif tectum of tbe caufe, 
 tob? be bjogbt fojtb bjeao and tome : euer (till 
 fticfting bpon tbe principal grotto. Cbat becaufe 
 no mention ijae made, tbat #elcbif edec made ob* 
 latton of bjeao and toine bnto tiffod , 91 tony it, 
 agofbefoje. 
 
 2Dbe pmnult of September. 1562. 
 
 Q®, 4Buintpne. 
 flDf 3!obn ftnojc fi^ingis aboue rebeirfed, 31 con* 
 ceaue tt»a beideg in f pecial, tbe ane is, tbat $)el* 2V 
 cmfcDcc matd na oblation bnto d5od , bot be did brginm, 
 tying furtb tbe bjead ano Wnt, to refreft &b?a* ngof the 
 bam ano pi$ companie. 3] boill anftoer bnto tbe JjJJf 
 faioeg ^etDejse formally, ano on tbtis maner. f trft ?S 
 31 toil mafi impugnatio bnto n laft ^eiD oubair after that 
 it ijs tbocbt tbat be Did refrefl) &b?abam ano bte 2£ !? * 
 companie. in tbat tbe tert is mamfeff in yt con* JS am 
 trar, in fa far ag tbe tert teffiff e& tbat abjabam v 
 ano 3^igf company toar refrelbed be tbe fpol?e of 
 tbe enimieis, ano toag not refrelbed, no? miftered % tt mv 
 na ref reftingof ^elcbif eoec, qubairfoje it 10 ma* uoim 
 mfeft tbat $£elcbtfedec bjocbt furtb bjeao ano argumet 
 toine bnto ane btber effect, no? to refretb &b?a* be notrt 
 bam ano bus compame. 
 
 gjobn Enor. 
 $®V fbmtar pume, tbatfl&elrfnfedec, did not 
 offer bjead ano toine bnto d&od , ftandetb bpon 
 tbi0 ground, tbat tbe tert maftetb mention of no 
 maner oblation made tbere bnto d5oo of bjead 
 and toine. and tberefoje in a mater of Co great 
 importance , darre not 31 affirme oblation to be 
 © tiij 
 
€fje reffoning betutr 3!o. ftnor 
 maDe , tnljill tyat tye fjoty dBtyott ftcpettj fiXerrcc. 
 anfacr anD noto bnto m? tojDes argument , nrtt , 91 
 Si an toer ? ^ at t] & ere # no contraDtctton betuir 
 argumft ^ et:e ^^ 3b?aljam anD tyjs company, toere re* 
 frefteD of t^e fpooiie$ of tljere emmtesi : anD a* 
 bjaijam anD ln# company mere refrefteD of tije 
 liberalise of fl^clc^tfeoec. anD nrft , bccaufe in 
 tlpc trwe toijen abjaljam anD ^tg company re* 
 ceaueD t^ere nourtftement of tije lubttauce of 
 t^ere enmites , tycy tnere out of tlje pjelence of 
 flfeelclnfeDec: anDnotreturneD tmtotijere con* 
 trie* "But albeit t^at t^ev ftaD bene mm in tye 
 p?ef ence of SpelctyfeDec , ret tijep mtgljt ijaue 
 bene nourtfteD , partite be t)i$ Itberalttte, anD 
 partite be tijere oton pjoutfion. anD tijiiDty be- 
 caufe tye tert Doetn not affirme tyat abjafjam 
 anD in& toer nourtfteD onety of tfje tpotle. % can 
 not aDmtt nip JLojDejs argument. 
 #. &umt?ne. 
 f o? Catiffacttou of t^e auDttoure , anD to cum 
 autcfelte to tl)e point tmtfjout Dnfttng of t^me % 
 totll ref uf e reaf ontng,af ter fcoolmaner^anD totll 
 go ?tt to tye tert,anD DepenDttjatrupon. anD on 
 tlnss maner fa?anD ( ^>atf oncly tyat, quinlfe tfje 
 ?ong men ijeg eattn) 31 tnferr of tins tert,tijat it 
 Dots appetr, ?e anD 10 mantfeft, tijat tljatr rema* 
 neD matr no? twajas etttu , be abja^am anD ^tjs 
 company fo? tije pjefent. 
 
 joijn &nor. 
 % Do not Deny, but tyere remaneD Cubftance, 
 totytclj toes neither eattn no? confumeD by ab?a* 
 Ijam anD ty$ company , but tttoat Umlbe hereof 
 
 concluDeD. 
 
anD tfje abbote of CrofragueW. 1 7 
 concluDeD? 
 
 fl©. fouintym. 
 
 3, infer tat not onelt tyair remaneD fubffauee, 
 bot tyair remaneD mefile mair tubttance, no? a* 
 bja^am anD tyte company toag able to confume, 
 ?ea , anD to gtf ane great Deale atoat, fo? qu^ 
 abja^ant toag bicto? of foure ftingig , quijair* 
 tfRoucfy ijc obteneD ane great tpol?e, 9 not onelt 
 of foure , bot alfo be gat tbe fpol?e of btber ftue, 
 anD gat all rnatr timers and meat, qulwirrmoucti 
 it is manifeff be te berrat platne tert tbat £b?a* 
 fcam anD ijte company, baD mefile mair meat no? 
 tbet boar able to confume , anD ftoa mtltereD be 
 no? b# company na refretcbing of 0£elcbtteDec, 
 conCDering be anD Ins company boas bot ane 
 meme nomber (ag % tuolD fa?) ti#e bunDjetb $ 
 aucbtene. 
 
 3Jobn fcnor. 
 
 Cbe bictone of &b?ai?am i$ in tbe tert tpecu 
 fieD , ag alto tbe nomber of tbe fciugeg baiuque* 
 IbeD. anD tfjat tbere remaneD fubflance, tea, me* 
 file mo?e tbeu toais tpent, 31 Do not Dent. 'But 
 tbtjs toil not neceflarlie concluDe, but tijat 0@e& 
 ciiifcticc of ms iibcralttie toogbt fojtn b?eaD anD 
 toine, to tbe purpof e fotfaiD: ajs be coniecture, i$ 
 motte pjobable. fioi men of goDlineg anD ciuill 
 boneftie, Do not onelt ftato tbem t eluejs, liberal 
 in ttmeof ertreme neceffitie, but alfo toil Declair 
 tbere beneuolence toitbout great neiD , tea, anD 
 in greateft abouuoauce. 
 
 0£. i&uintym. 
 
 Becaufe gjo^n ifcnor fpeafits of fubflance tn* 
 € 
 
€^e reffoning betuir 9!o. ftnor 
 
 difference, % toill deftre mm to declair i)i$ opi* 
 
 nion , confonne to tye tejct , quijityer abjatyam 
 
 and W compan?, recouered of tlje n?ne ftingig 
 
 Cpol?ei0 bjead and tome , and btyer futtenance, 
 
 quftiUi trcultc , albeit tlic tert Do not pjopojt tlic 
 
 fame in plat ne toojdejs, ? it can na man of wdge> 
 
 ment tfymft bttjertotCe , ag % can gif many &un* 
 
 djetij erampleg in tlje *a>ctipturejei, and ant in 
 
 tyeciall j qu^atr giefujs Ctmtt our lLojde tpeafiis 
 
 in ftijS atoiu pjayer, called tye pat* twaer, of day* 
 
 lie bjead , quiiam n to is to be bnderttand all re* 
 
 quired bnto tije (uttentation of man , albeit $e 
 
 tert oous not erpjetty declair tije famin. 
 
 9Ioijn &nor. 
 
 91 tyaue f poficu of tubftance in generally to in* 
 
 ftructeo b? tye plaine tert, totyclj mafcety men* 
 
 tion neither of bjeao no? toinc, in erpjefled too?- 
 
 dejs, otyer no? of tiiat tom$ S&elcinfeoec b?og^t 
 
 fojty. and b? all apperance, tyere could not an? 
 
 great ttoje, of b?eao and toine be carted bacft a* 
 
 gaine, by abja^am and ijte company after tye 
 
 bictone of i)i& enimieg. f at plaine it 10 , t^at ije 
 
 b?ogj&t nothing bacfe , tomel? ttjei? befoje did not 
 
 carie atoa? (ffim f elf and tyjai company onel? er* 
 
 cepted ) toe read t^at tye? totte t^e pm of ^>o* 
 
 dom and dSomojra, and caried toitlj tjemt^e 
 
 jtft tijis fubftance, yea, 9 tije bictual, Lotlj, #0 fubftace. 
 
 SSX &• ® m aH)C * e $ at m W* beginning tyere bic* 
 
 Smt taalleg Ijao bene great, yet being fucge a compa* 
 
 » mp ny ass toe may iuftlie fuppof e tyem to Ijaue bene: 
 
 to** ^ atrd aldo being arriueo toittyn tfjere oton cotter, 
 
 gmtumtj t j0 not appearig tljat great ffoje toeg referueo. 
 
 OBUt 
 
ano tije abbote of Crofraguell. 1 8 
 T6ut fcotofoewer it be, tty$ mater ffanDing in co* 
 iecture, toe toil of necefiKtie conclnD no tying, fe* 
 ing tijat tyc Ijolte detyott tyaty not erpjeffcD it. 
 3$ touching my JLojDejs allegation, of tye Daylte 
 bjeaD. $c. 31 acfcnotoleDge tr>itt) ty0 loiDfcinp 
 tfjat to be ttye familiar p^jafe of tye Scripture, 
 tyat bnDer tlje name of bjeaD , is commonly ta* 
 ften all tinnges necefifar fo? tye bfe of manes bo* 
 
 Die, Itfie 30 t^efe, iFrange tfurimtt pattern mum, $c. 
 
 fl©. j^uintyne. 
 l^auanD conuoeration, tyat 3Ioijn Knox, toalo 
 call in ane fufpicion in tyz partes of tye t)ono?a* 
 ble auDito? ( taifanD ty$ paroone ) be continual 
 repetition of tyte too?D coniecture, toe toil do a? 
 (0od tuill giue to grace , to tali tins policie out 
 of tiic tiartc$ of tlic auDito? , and that bp piopcr 
 Difcription of arguments of inferrence o? con* 
 iecture, quijairfoje tt)e auDito? fall conftDer, tyat 
 tyair is fum conietures anD argumenteg of in* 
 ferrece qutylfc neceffarlie concluoeg anD folloto* iut t%t 
 eg bpon. 3nDarcalleD nottyelejs argumenteg of leamrD 
 coniecture o? inference , becauf e tye ane toojoe {J^*** 
 i$ not tbe otyer , * no? Dote not erpjetty conclud Rg-r 
 tye otyer, ajs foj ane familiar erample, &ptrat, atptton 
 ergo biuit, ag 31 toalD fay, ije ainDeg ergo ije liueg. *$"** 
 :©ui)airfo?e 31 infer tijat tty$ conference of p^ ™£? 
 f e, o? maner of Cpeac^, quijair it i$ tain in tije tert, m> tcije 
 alt^atrbict«alli!5,neceffarlyinferri0b?eiDtx)ine, ** •»«& 
 ano all btyer tyiugis erpeDient to be eatin, cofi* & Ws 
 oering tyair toas great abounoance in tye cite* 
 is quinifi tear fpol?eit as Do ting pijjafe , bjeafc 
 bnto tye ^ungrte tyy bjeao, ano ftw* qufcatfum* 
 
Cfce reluming betuir 3jo. ftnor. 
 
 euer mat be int crreti of tye ane ptyjafe, neceflar* 
 
 lie mat be inferred of tye btyer. 
 
 lo^n fcuor. 
 
 l^ttyctto 3] ^aue trauelleo, to mafee Difference 
 
 betuir t^at, tyat man of necefllttie ig boud to be* 
 
 ieue , and tijat to^tc^ man mat either beleue, o? 
 
 not beleue , toityout ant fcurt of confcience. 
 
 02tyat d&oo in erpjcffed toojdeg and fentencejs, 
 
 ^atij committed to bjs toityiu tye Scriptures; 9 
 
 comanded tye fame to be beleued, ^e required 
 
 of 00 tyat neceffarlie toe beleue tije lame. But 
 
 to^ere t^e fpirit of d&od ^aty feeped filence , and 
 
 ijaty not in plaint t ententes, declared onto 00 
 
 tye toill of <E>od our father, tyere mat a man 
 
 urtpend ms iudgement , tottnout hurt of confer 
 
 ence, tea, and mo?e fure it ig, not boulolie to af* 
 
 firme, tljat txtyicl) i0 fieped clofe, bt tye toitdome 
 
 of <5od: tyen tyat toe (fcould rafljelie affirme ant 
 
 tying, toityout tye toarrand of d&odjs toojoe as 
 
 toe are taught bt tye admonition of &uguffine. 
 
 3$ touching p diuerfttie of arguments 31 fenoto 
 
 botye tye ftrengty of tyem, tyat are called m& 
 
 rarioconcittuentia, and of tyofe tP^ic^e ftano in 
 
 pjobabilitie , to^ic^ botye 31 grant to ^aue tye 
 
 &¥ t ftrengty in perfuafion : but tye faity of man re* 
 
 ffif Wirety a f urer ground, tyeu ant argument tyat 
 
 %tooa> can be deduced from nature (to toit) it requirety 
 
 of <soo Rearing, and tyat Rearing of tye t»o?de of dD-od, 
 
 rntfaifo acC0?Q ing to tye doctrine of tye apoftlc. $oto 
 
 to mt Lojdejs argument , 31 fat it doety not ne* 
 
 ceuarlie conclude, tyat ab?a^am and l)i$ fouldi* 
 
 o# bjogijt mo?e reddie meat, futye a$ bjead and 
 
 tome 
 
 , 
 
and tfje abbote of Crofraguett. 1 9 
 tottte bacft from tyere btctone , tljen tyey toere 
 able to fpend , albeit tyat tbey caried tott^ tyem 
 $e trtyole fubttance , yea , ttje trijole btctuallejai c&at i S 
 of ^odom and d&omojra. $c. TBecaufe tyat in tfr mm* 
 #e iomey fome nugijt Ijaue bene lotted , m tlje g s ^" lfl 
 tojney no oout but muc^e toeg tpent , and tn tlje Zm 
 bictone tije reft mtgljtijaue bene difperfedo? loft. 
 if 0? bv all apperance abjabam Ijad fmal rcfpect 
 to bjead 9 tutne, moje tben to tljat t»bttf) mtgfot lct Ac 
 reafonablie fufteane btm and btf company bnto mm 
 tbcrereturne. anotbugfromconiectureVoelbat mmu 
 cotinually pajei to cotecture, onlejs tbat my lLojo 
 be able to pjoue, tbat tbc tert affirmed in plane 
 fcjoj&eg, tyat fuclje fuperflouous abounoance of 
 bjead and tome toes bjogbt bacft, onto tbe ttme 
 tijat Slpelcbtf edec met tjtm ( $ altboglj in£ top 
 DQnp be able fo to Do a$ 3 am attureo no man 
 10 able) yet 0ml altoayes 0£elcbtfedec ano ty& 
 iibiralitie Hand ftill bncomricted. 
 
 %> jdBuiutyne. 
 Co meit all tye ijeides coteneo in lo^n ftnor, 
 patttcfile aboue refjearfeo, uottmtljffauoinge 
 appearanlte 31 am conftraineo to tbe fame. 2:tt 
 attrayejs in fmoii& of tye audtture , 31 totU go %tt tl)e 
 fcbo?tlte to fum fpeciall Jjeioeg. and nrft qu&air inum 
 $e mafteg ane meine, t^at 31 go by nam rail ret* ft»uusc 
 tonus to perfuade , to tafie tbe fufpiciou of men 
 iuffly of me in tty& imd, 3 fay and do affirme, £ 
 31 fcaue done not in ttjat caufe ajs ?it, bot cofojme 
 to tbe $>cripture$ alttyouc^. and quijatr 31o!jn 
 &norfpeaftt!8 tngeneral of meat, our contention 
 toajs fo? b?eao and toine , qulni& 31 inferred ne* 
 ceflarlte of tfce tert. and decree ijim to giue me 
 € Hi 
 
€^e reffoning betuir 9!o. ftnor 
 ane reuonfcijojtlte, grouuDeo bpon tye factip 
 ture , qutjatrfoje tye pfyafe alleogco be me cott* 
 cerning tije meat fal not tncluoe bjeao and tnme 
 aCtueil ag Ijijai p&afe concerning tye b?eaD,be f)i$ 
 opinion, toityout erpjeg Scripture fall induce 
 all fitnoe of btyer meatig. 
 
 91olm &nor. 
 
 91 purge me fittt , ttiat % neither bur&en ntp 
 
 £o#e , tioitij iufomtalitie , nettle* yet , t^at Jnjs 
 
 lojDflnp, trauelletij b? naturall reafou onelie, to 
 
 perfuaoe to man. T6ut becaufe tije toijole Hate 
 
 of tyz caufe ( ajs 9) unocrftann ) ftanoetlj in tyi$, 
 
 fttyetyer tyat&bjaljam ana ty$ fouloio# b?ogi# 
 
 bacfc againe, fuperfluitie of b?ead 9 toine 0? not, 
 
 9! ^aue DeOreD tlje fame to be pjoueu by tye erp?ef 
 
 fed tDO^e. €^e p^jaf e i$ not mine onely, but Si 
 
 iut ail &b a S8 re toitt) WW JLotfie, bringing in tlje fame 
 
 mm iu. firff. &n& noto \xfyy 91 t^mfe tyat abja^am, ano 
 
 w «f ty$ , bjogfct no fuperfluttte of b?eao and toine 
 
 £ i ra '' **** afl&wtf #* reafon \$ ? becaufe t^e tert Do* 
 
 no" ruf &$ plainlie affirme, tfcat bictualle& befyoeg $e 
 
 titimt. otyer fubftance, toejs carteo atoay by t^e enimi* 
 
 eg. 3ut t^at any btctualleief, befyoegtbe fubftace 
 
 toere bjogijt bacft againe , tyere i# no fpecito 
 
 tion. 
 
 flt£. Uuintyne. 
 becaufe 91 perceaue 9!oljn ftnor , Dote not 
 mctr tuc ticiD of mr particfele qu^atr 91 do mars 
 tye conf errence , betuir t^e pijjaf eg of ti&e £a>crip* 
 turejs alleogeo be bg baity : qu^atrtn ( efter my 
 tuogement ) confto me marcftte point of tnc 
 purpofe, 9ltoiW trauell na further tyairiu, not* 
 
 toity&anDtng 
 
and tfje abbote of Crofraguell. 20 
 toityftanoing tljat 31 ^aue ground of te ^>crip* 
 ture abunoantlte. and ttoa 3J toil go to ane b* 
 t&er ^eid, to aaure tlje reader t^at flWcijtfedec 
 bjocijt not furt& bjead $ totne, to refrefcl) &b?a* 
 fcam and i)i$ company 31 toil ground me proper* 
 lie bpon tlje tert;, and on tyig maner. C^e tert 
 faris, p^tuut oj p^ofcrms, gu^ilft ig in tlje Angu- 
 lar nomber a& ane, pcrfon bjmgand furtij bjead 
 and toine, qu^airfo?e neceffarlie tt concludes ^e 
 b?od# not furtf) bjeao and tome to refrefc^ ane 
 multitude, as ab?a^am and W company toa& 
 qu^llfc toajat not poflible to ane perfon to do: but 
 onelie to ma& Sacrifice confomte to m? begin* 
 ning. 
 
 Holm ftnor* 
 Mtyat 31 ^aue anftoereo, tfje beneuolent rea* 
 der ©all after judge, to tlje pjefent coniecture of 
 mv Lojde, 31_anftoer tfcat if Wc^ifedec allone 
 toit&out al copaup J^ao bjoaj&t onel? furtlj fo mu* 
 c#e bjeao 9 tourer ^e toes able goodty to carte, 
 V ct (bal tt not be neceOarlie concluded tljattyere* 
 fo?e $e bjogfet it not fojtij to gratme abjaljam, 
 fo? an fmall portion ma? oftentimes be tyaufc 
 full to many, but mv iLojde appeared to flwote 
 at ti&at ground, tol^tcije 31ijaue not laid fo? mv 
 Principal, and tyerefoje albeit ty$ lo?o(mp Owld 
 toinit,?et m^fomtar ftrengty toere litle demi* 
 nttbed (in mv iudgement)for onleg ty# lojdl&ip, 
 be able to pjoue by tbe plaine toojdeg of t^e tert 
 tyat tye bjead and toine toer b?oo#t fotffj to be 
 offered bnto C&oo , mv p?iucipall ground doetlj 
 altoa? egabpoe. OBut £ p^jate of tye Scripture, 
 
 € iiij 
 
sn&e reffoning betuir 3!o* ftnor 
 and alg tye ojdinarie manere of fpeamng, Do* 
 zty often t?me$ attribute to tyz pjinctpall man, 
 ttyat totytcij at Ijijai comandement , o? toil ig Done, 
 by tyg feruandes o? tubiecteg , thereof 31 offer 
 mv felf , to ftato in ffeeripturejs, mo tefttmonieg 
 t^en one , toitij t^me .and yet tyis 10 not my 
 cljief ground , but ting 31 tyeafe fo? erplaning of 
 tlje tert. 
 
 $). &uintime. 
 
 £>f tye formar perticltle 31 mars ttoa ijeideg 
 
 in fpeciall,quinlft doig not onety gtue apperance 
 
 for my pretence, bot plamlie Doijs conutct,a0 tye 
 
 godlie anD tneffectionat reaDer may cleirly per* 
 
 ceaue. C^e firff l^eid ig , quijair 31otjn ftnor dots 
 
 allege tijat fl^elcinfedec bjocijt furty bjead and 
 
 C6f n toine , to refrefc^ abjaijam and ^ijs tncrte com* 
 
 iutjat (ft panie , qu^tlfe plainly differig fra j&te fpeafting 
 
 fts mp pitt ent, fayand t^at it toast to gratine abradant 
 
 JgJ fou - and lug company , quljairinto tfjair te uc mani* 
 
 m f ett otfftrence as it giues plaine perfuafion , ty$ 
 
 ground in tyijs ^eio to be no#ti0. Secondly, it 
 
 ig agatntt tije ojdur of nature, to tijmfi tijat ony 
 
 ane man (lat be ane &ing and ane ^eitt) fould 
 
 bung fujtlj tfiat migfct gratine, lat be to refrefclj 
 
 fie ane multitude as , t&e tiundjetlj and aucfj* 
 
 tene toerie pertoni& 
 
 3otin fcnor* 
 ftltyat my Hordes iudgement doet^ moue in 
 tyt ^artg of tye auditure, 31 remitt to tyere oton 
 iudgement,but 3 plainly affirme: tyat neither in 
 my toojde, no? in my dytment is, tijere any lutf) 
 repugnance o? oiftHrence, ajs iuffliemay conuict 
 
 me 
 
and tbe abbote of Crofraguell, 21 
 
 me to baue an curt ground, tfoi in my format 
 fapingess , mp too^Dcjs tocre , tbat b? pjobable 
 contccture , tbe bjeao 9 mint toere bjogbt fotfb 
 by fl@clcbifedec, to refreft &b?abam and big toe* 
 rte company. 91 did not affirme, tbat be ana bte ipote 
 tobole copanie toere tbereof tobotylie reftelbeo* 
 and in my latter tDo$e& 91 far, tbat albeit tbere 
 bad bene no moje tyead and totne, tben S^elcbi* 
 fedec onelp bjogbt fotfb, ytt doetb it not tbereof 
 neceliarlie conclude, p tbe fame toere not b?ogbt 
 fojtb , to gratifte abjabam. 9]n tobicb mauer of 
 f pcacb, tbi0 terme gratifte, doetb uetber rcpuug, 
 no? ?et Differ, from tbe terme refreft, otbertoife, 
 commonlie doetb in maner of fpeacb «fniw ano 
 ^pfctcs, tbat is to fay, tbe moje generall, and tbe 
 inferio?. f. 01 in fofar as &b?abam ana ty$ com* 
 yany toere refrelbed b? tbe bjead 9 toine (toere 
 tt neuer to litle ) in fofar doetb be tying it fo?tb, 
 to gratifte bint, f&otefting plainly, tbat tmtml* 
 linglie 31 am compelled tbujs to anftoer. 
 
 and tbus enoetb tbe fecono darts trauell,all 
 tobole fpent to anftoer my Hordes lifting, 
 thereto be toes moueo, becaufe be toes not a* 
 ble to pjoue tbat ^elcbif eoec offered bjead and 
 taint into dSod , ajs toilliuglie ones be toofee to 
 p?oue» 
 
 $). ®uintrne. 
 
 && dois 9Iob« ftnor, fa do 91 toitb all my bart, 
 remit me to tbe iuogemente of tbe audito? , in 
 tins beid: and twill not repojt tbe beides, of ty$ 
 fomiar perticftle fo? auoiding of pjolirtues. 
 Q5ut uoto toill 91 conclude tottb ane argument* 
 
 t 
 
%ty reffoiung betuir 3|o. fcnor. 
 
 #na thufi begmnes (©. 4&uforgne the tipfo Dap, 
 
 batting ttjte( argument tojitten m paper 
 
 ttrijicb he caufro to be reo. 
 
 fl$. j^uintyne. 
 j©ut)atfueucr opinion ijs conceaued of $e ^>ctp< 
 tureg of almic^tie <0od, tiauand na erp?e$ tefti* 
 monie no? apperance of tye fame, i$ alluterlie to 
 be refuf ed ( ajs (a^iss gio^n ftnor Jnm f elf ) , "Bot 
 i tea it i& t^at 3!oim ftnor atoiu opinion, couce* 
 aueo o? contracted of fye Scripture, cocetning 
 tye bunging fo?ty of b?ead and tmne, b? fl^elcty* 
 fedec , to refrettfje o? g?atifie 3b?at)am and f)i$ 
 toerie company, is not erp?ett? contened in tije 
 Scripture , no? ^ejs na apperance of t^e tamint 
 $erefo?e itfbllotois toeitt, tyat it i$ alluterlie be 
 t)i$ atr>iu iudgement to be refuted. 
 
 fl^oueo on goalie ?eill ( ljono?able audito? ) 
 
 t$at in ting dangerous t?me, t^e treutlj foulo 
 
 cum to tt?al, in fie maner, as tye confeience of 
 
 fie , as ar perturbed ( tafar as lies in oure fober 
 
 pofltbilitie) foulo be effablefeo, and at qutetnes: 
 
 toe fet furtfj certaue arttcfcles (ass plefed d&od to 
 
 gif ts grace) bnto tije qulnlftis, giotjn ianor tuife 
 
 on tjano to mafe impungnation : fpecialty to ttye 
 
 articfile concewingtyemeffe. 3©a^oure$ place 
 
 beand appointed and obferued, % come to oefed 
 
 m? articftles, and in fpeciall mp articfele concer* 
 
 ning tl)e meffe. and according to tye famin, tuife 
 
 il« the me pjoperlie to mp toarrano , grounded bpone 
 
 amS ^tidej3i»o?d: bnto tye qufcilfe toarrand, 9!o^n 
 
 the #? fcnor, as ?it tyes ntaid na tmpungnatton, bot de* 
 
 ptaes fy?ed me to futtene and defend tije name, ttje ac* 
 
 *h*s* to?, tt>e ceremonies, tye opinion of men coceaued 
 
 of 
 
and tye abbote of Crofraguell. 2 2 
 of tlje meffe, and gif it toe0 ane Sacrifice Pw* 
 ciatoae. 9 beand toilled, tfjat t»e fcfjojtlte fould 
 go to tye ground , and effect , and fubffance of 
 tye purpote quijairfoje toe come, 9! ffude be nrp 
 articftle and toarrand , a$ tytv attrmtten: not 
 refufaud to Defend , ttje ijeidegaboue reljetrfeo, 
 ajstpme and place foulo feme, and nottMttjtta* 
 dmg tyat 91 toajs fufficientlte grounded bpon 
 dB»oD0 too?oe, qutylft 91 tuift to be mv toarrand, 
 ano tuift tyfietotf e bpon me , fart aboue m? tia* hJ^S 
 bilitte, $e place ano perfonage of ane defender: %om 
 nott^eleis tb?ou$ occauon tljat ferueo (ag tuojft tmmte 
 toill beir tmtneg) 91 toaiat cofframcd to taft bpou £« t r 
 me ti)t perfonage of ane pet* etner , farre b£ mp fcujrt * 
 appetit, ?ea, and tye toetll of mv caufe : and ate tyat tjr 
 by tije opinion of all Oc as toalo tlje toetll of ttje W Jg 
 famin, moued on godlie ?eill (ajs d5on be iudge) Sufr 
 tyat tye truety fould cum to a trpal, to tlje plea* 
 Cure of dffod , and fatiffaction of tbe ljono?able J* fe t ro 
 auditor , 91 beand cled toity tbe perfonage of Si^. 
 ane impunguar, erpjcjs contrar to my nrpno, fo? 
 fie caufe? as ar abone reljeirfeo, 91 maid impug* 
 nation, not be manlie imaginations, bot be tye 
 manifeft toojde of d&oo. and tyat ti#e maner of 
 toa^eg, ftrff to taft mav 91o^u fcnor conceaued * nvom 
 opinion , ttjat S©elc^ifedec b?oc^t furty bjead 9 mm 
 toine , to refretelje 0? gratroe abja^am and t)i$ rettuogr 
 toerie company 91 called to remembjance, fjoto 
 tyat tye fpul?ete of npne ftingijai, and of certain 
 citeig to, toais recouered be atyaljam, quijaittfc 
 ouc& ^e and ty$ company, toag fufficientlie re* 
 freft^ed, audfcad rneuclj to be refref$edon,ft»a 
 
 •ft; 
 
C&e reffoning bttuix 3]o. ^nojt: 
 
 tijat ttyty miffered not to be retrefted toitfy bjeid 
 
 and toine of SBPelcijifedec. Recondite qu^air 9]o. 
 
 Ifcnor matd queffion , tljat tyep fjad tiot bjead $ 
 
 toine. 3 returned againe to ttje tert, to toerifie 
 
 tlje tamin. ^Buinlft fa^eis, and all tinngig, perte* 
 
 nand bnto meat. 3!nf errand ttjat in tins pfejaf e, 
 
 toag conteneo bjead and toine, confomte to t^e 
 
 pi#afe of tye Scripture, quljair mention is maid 
 
 onelie of tyead , conteuand all tlnngiss neceflar 
 
 foi manias futtentacion, ^e ftndand ting not fuffi* 
 
 cient tettffactton. %\% ?eid % not to mante tmagi 
 
 nation , bot to tye plaine tert , and grounded 
 
 me bpon tl)c tooftejs of tye tert ta?and. £@elc$t» 
 
 fedec b?ocl)t furtlj bjead ant) toine. ginferrand, 
 
 iijoii) in t^at it toajs fpofee in tye tlmd perfon angular, 
 
 m tfjat it toas agatnft tye o?ooure of nature, to tfnnfe 
 
 J^P * tyat ane ma, Could bnngturti) (especially ije ti&at 
 
 toajs ane fcing and ane pietft ) to taft tyat paines 
 
 to tying furti) bjcad and tonne, tyat mtc^t grati* 
 
 fie (lat be to refrefct)) tl#e pdjety and aucijtene 
 
 men^eand tyatinuinfible perfuattou&pjoper* 
 
 lie gathered bpon t^e tert, could na totfe bung 
 
 i5ut did gjojjn j^nor , to confeffe ttjat tying qutnlfe appe* 
 
 not ?o f£S re & bnt0 mt »»^B?mc to tye Scriptures of al* 
 
 apprir to micijtie ®od, and all gude reffon ije foulo ^aue 
 
 otijers. confeffed. %\)tn concluded 31 imti) tye ^crip* 
 
 iRo? f t t tureg, as 3! dtd begin, as my conclufion toil beir 
 
 mi do tottnejs, tyat fce toald Ijaue iuffified ins opinion 
 
 £JK r, concerned of tlje Scripture, cofonu to fcis atoiu 
 
 far/mgis,betfje erpjes toojd of dffod. and of mg 
 
 liberalitie toil grant inm ?it, gif ije fces my ma* 
 
 ner of apperance of tye tamin, nottottljilandtng 
 
 ^e (aid to me, ije toald not gif me ane ^air of ty$ 
 
 licid 
 
and tlje abbote of Crofraguell. 2 ? 
 fceto, gtf 91 foulo ftand tyir f euen ?eire& 
 9]obnlfrnor. 
 #rotefting ftrft, tljat 31 mat anficoer, in b^it, 
 bnto tbe formar argument (becaute ag % per* 
 ceiue it toes before concerned in borit ) 91 enter 
 in (bortlie bnto tbe long oitcourfe, made by ra? 
 JLorde: not bulling to anttoer euerie part tbere* 
 of, but onety fo mucbe, a$ mat appear to infinite 
 tt)e inft caufe. &nd firft, tobere tbat nvp Horde 
 afftrmctb , timt 9) ban c matie no impungnatton 
 bnto bte lordflnpis arttcftle concerning tbe maffe, 
 91 am content, ttiat not onelie tins Honorable an 
 dience,but alfo tbe tobole eartb be iuoge, in tbat 
 point* iff 01 91 bane plainlie Denied, tbat etber tyz &m. 
 maffe , batn approbation of the plaine toorde of 
 €>oo , etber in name , action , opinion ( to toitt 
 tontten of tbe matte, taucbt of tbe matte, and in 
 tbe confeience of men, conceiueD of tt)e matte) $ 
 fttiailv tbat tbc actor tlicrof , for bis bfurpeD 
 potoer,batb no greater atturance of ©00$ toor* 
 oc.KUiicb tobole ticaDcs being oenyed to be Dif 
 puteD, at tt)e prefent, agamtt mp Lordrs articfele 
 anD grounD , 3) did tbus reafon : tbat w toiDc- 
 flnp t»e0 not able to prone tbat €tyitt 9]eft#, in 
 bts latter Supper did offer bts boDie anD blooD 
 bnto (0od bi0 f atber, bnoer tbc former of bread 
 and tuine. 1^10 lorDefliip tafcing for W proue,tbe 
 alledged Sacrifice of apelcbifedec in bread and 
 toine , offered bnto d&oo. 91 did lr*et»ife den& 
 tbat flfrelcbifedec did at tbat nmte (to toit in tbe 
 prefence of abradant) offer etber bread or toine 
 bntod5oD,tDmcb batu bene tbcfc tb?o Dares bp- 
 
€^e reObuing betuir 3!o. ftnor 
 paft in controuerfie betuir Ins lofteftip anD me* 
 31 ijaue altoates DenieD , tljat tye boty spirit, 
 in any notable m euiDent place of Scripture Do* 
 etb affirme tucty an tacrifice to baue bene maDe 
 by 0&elcbtfeDec bnto «3oD : ? tofnl f 31 Did bear 
 no place of Scripture aDDuceD, fo? tbe appjobati 
 on thereof, my &o#e DemanDanD of me , toijat 
 tben 1 tbogbt toes Done toitb tbe tyeaD 9 tone, 
 31 auttoereD , tbat albeit , 3! toes not bounD to 
 gtue mp iuDgement, becaute tbat be toes bound 
 conao to pjoue bts affirmatiue (as ?et 31 m be is bouD) 
 ocr uiijat anD thereof 3! toilbe content, tijat ins lo^Ojipess 
 mtigfs woftc fauojable freinDes, of bell iuDgemet, ?ea, 
 31 aotmt eucn ie ^ £o?Defl)ip pleate , tbe Lo&es of tljc 
 ^effion, be iuDges in tbat point. 31 anttDereD,3! 
 Ca?, tf?at be comecture, tbe bjeaD anD toine toere 
 fyogbt furtb by flpelrinfeDec , to retrelbe 3b?a* 
 bam , anD ln$ toerie company, capon tobwb oc* 
 cauon, bis lojDOrip (boto iuttlie let all me iuDge) 
 DiD cleitb Ijim i elf againe , toitbout my procure* 
 contrar mcnt j ^1) tbe perfonage of ane impunguar. 
 ft *£ anD DiD aDDuce tucbe tbinges , as belt pleafeD 
 of impof ty$ lojDOnp, hereto % DiD anfiaoer, as f tuijole 
 fibiiittc conference toill report, anD as 3 f uppof e , t vflfo 
 Iff. :!L ctentlte to euerie t^ing obiecteD, ercept tbat be* 
 8SS caufe m? Ho?D DiD not toucbe tbe erpoution al* 
 nxrcttjat leDgeDe by me, bpon tbe toojDes, SWcbtfeDec 
 f tutji aiiQnc DiD bung fotfb bjeaD anD tuine ( as m? 
 iSX ^°# e alleDgetb) 3! aiftereD to bnng in tbe con* 
 tuobng ference of Scriptures , to p?oue tbat it i& an 
 fo?tb bit t^ing in Scripture berrie commone, t^at tt>e 
 ao. ?c t] ^ mg) ^ at l0 Done at fy t cotnattt, ( an ^ notable 
 
 perfone, 
 
attD tye abbote of Croftaguell. 24 
 perfone , 10 attributeD bnto Ijim felf , altyogft it 
 be Done , be CeruanDe0 0? fubiecte0 at #0 com* 
 mauD ; tofncij 31 Do note fto?tlte. 3it 10 fatD in 
 ^crtpture, t^at $oie DtD all tijat d&oD comau* 
 DeD iniu : attD plain c it i0 , tnat <Bod comanDeD 
 bim to mafte tye arcfc, trirt toe0 i butlDtng t^e tfem 6 - 7 
 full fpace of a iwuDjety ?eare0. d5oD further co* 
 manDeD Ijim to furmfl) tfte^Lrcfe toitye all fcpnoe 
 of btctuallej* , toinc^ t^e tert arormetfj , t^at t)t 
 DtD. 0oto if Mot foal concluDe, tftat £>oic allone 
 eutteD euerie tree , $oie allone DtD ^eto euerte 
 tree,anD fofotfij: it appeared to me tijat toe (bal 
 conclude a great abfurDttie. Clje fame i0 euiDet 
 in ?DauiD , of to^ome mention i0 maoe , t^at ^e 
 being |&?opfjet anD fting , DeutDeD to t$e tttyole 2 £am. 6 
 people, ?ea, unto t^e tttyole multituue of 3!frael, 
 pea , botye to men anD tcomen , an portion of 
 bjeaD, an potion of flefo, anD an portion of toine* 
 9!f toe foall t^infi , ttjat ©autD did tlji0 tmtfc 
 #0 oton fcanD , Mot (ball concluoe in my appea* 
 rance,pfomtar abturDitie. €^e fame 10 mamfeff 
 b? man? otyer pt)?afe0, pea, anD b? out Datfie 
 maneroftpeamng.anDtberefo?eyeta0ofbefo?e. 
 % t^infi m? ILo?De0 erpofttion coact , in t^at Ije 
 toill aomtt none to liaue bjogfet fojty tye bjeaD 
 anD toine, but flpelcfeifeoec allone. TBut Ijotofo 
 tutx it be, itmouety me nothing , fo? bnto fuclje 
 t?me, a0 tyat mv HojDe , in plaint tto?De0 pjo< 
 nounceD bp tye tjol? d&ofte , pjoue t&at flpelciji 
 CeDec , DtD offer bnto dffoD bjeaD anD Moint : Jje 
 Ijatlj pjouen nothing of tyat , MaH&Ufy i)t tooft on 
 tjano to pjoue. anD tyerefoje % greatlte feare, 
 
 f iiii 
 
€$e reffoning betmr 9!o. fcnor. 
 
 w& brff $ at W* ^ at 3 W^ ^0 lotfieflnp callet^ tije 
 grounD, beft, 10 fo long in finding an fure ground tott^tn 
 cum fino ^ e Scripture, tyat tye reft \n tye end, be found 
 UJS altogether grounoie^ at tye leaft toritijm f bofce 
 in cue of d&oo. and tberefoje 9! oetyje, ajs of befbje , to 
 torn of tyear ^i0 lo?dflripe0 probation of tbe principal. 
 0OD - $®. &uintime. 
 
 % am Cone tbat toe ar contrined on ting ma* 
 
 ner, to dnue t?me , atber parted in tuttification 
 
 of ins atom cauf e : bot toiflt0 quicftlie to go to tbc 
 
 inarms point, a0 91 ijaue euer Done, conf omte to 
 
 mv arttcftle and to nxv toarrand: and maftt0 tiic 
 
 batlc toarld to iudge , qulutiier it ijes tup dcutic, 
 
 efter fomiall reffoning , to Defend tije fatdeis ar* 
 
 MM eg, o? to pjoue, o? to impung. :©ubair 9Iobu 
 
 Ifcnor mafei0 ane metne , tfjat 9! ^aue bjocbt tm* 
 
 argumetjs oj purpof ejat in tout : auijat 91 jjaue in 
 
 toojde oi tout , oi bt^ertrareis, 91 praife d&oo. 
 
 •Bot tbe truetfc i$ , according to m? cuftome , 91 
 
 maid memone, efter m? repot e, of fie ^eioejei, as 
 
 91 tyoctjt, 9! W able to fjaue buuneg ado toity 
 
 all. and tbat 91 did be tbe grace of de>od onety, 
 
 not tyat 9! am efcfcameo to be learned tottij onp 
 
 man tyat toil teacb me. and ag to tye conclufio 
 
 of bis parttcftle , quiiatr be Dot0 maft mem c , vat 
 
 91 feaue na groiio of tbe Scripture fo? tbe meffe 
 
 woimvt ( ajS & e Wteutt) toill d&od fall fruftrat i)i0 erpec* 
 
 petfojm tation in tyat , and all btber0. and aOurejat bim 
 
 fwmrs trull d&od fall wfttfie tbe meffe ate fuffictentlie, 
 
 [2 men confomte to mv articfele, ajs ije and all tbe reft of 
 
 E" * W opinion in drnftendome, falbe able to iufttfie 
 
 be erpjeg Scripture , m on? btber meine , tbat 
 
 jefua 
 
anD tije abbote oe Crofragueil. 2 5 
 gieftws Ctyiffe t$ ane tubffance totttj tbe tfatljer. Pomona. 
 anD ttiat it be not tfjocljt tljat tljtr at: toatttone^X 
 too?De#, lifie as tbe mater foulD not cum to pais, lie 
 bot tfjat 31 toalD trifle tije mater : 31 tmll Dcf^e 
 3]otm l^nojc matft ^umblte 9 partite fo? Ojntteg 
 faifte , lat bg go fcljotflic tmtbout trtflmg to tye 
 purpofe, anD lat toarft betr trntnes. &nD tina re* 
 autres, to refume m? argument, anD fay thereto 
 fomtalte a$ effeireg. 
 
 31of>n &uor. 
 I5ecaute tijat euerie man muffe gtue accomp* 
 teg before d&oD, not onety of ty& toojfteis, but alfo 
 of ins WDeg anD t^og^tjai. 31 toill mafee no fur* 
 tber pjoteffation, toljetyer tijat 3! Uaue DefeuDeD 
 intljerto my oton optnion , 0? a manifeft trcutty, 
 01 toljetfjer tfjat 31 Ijaue uupungneD an? treutij 
 of (0od, 0? a manifeff lie ( let ting be fata tmtlj 
 reuerence of all perfones , fo? tlje iuftneg of tye 
 caufe ) leaning, 31 tar, tije iuDgement to dftiD : 31 
 Cat tljat3!ijaue in plaine termed iuttlte oppuug* 
 neo botye t^e ^ouoejs, bjogbt fojty by my lo#, 
 fo? Defence of ty$ articfele. tfo? in plaint toojoes, 
 31 ijaue Denied, t^at 3!efug Clmffe , into ty$ lat* 
 ter Supper, DiD mafte an? Sacrifice of tyg bo* 
 Die anD blooD , buDer tbe fomress of bjeaD anD 
 t»ine , bnto d5oD tyft father. anD tyftetotfe 31 
 Ijaue DenrtD , tijat fl^elcbtfeDec DiD offer bnto 
 dE>oD, bjeaD anD "coint ajs of before, totyty grou* 
 Dejs, becaufe my Lo#e Ijatb not Jntycrto ,pueu, 
 31 muff IjolD tbem as impungeD anD oppugneD; 
 euer ttijill , 31 Uear tbe grounD of flPelctuteDec, 
 plainly p^oueu , by plaine Scripture ( to toit ) 
 
€t>e reffoning betuir 3]o. &nor 
 
 trjat t\)t plame Scripture fay, tijat fllpelc^tfedec 
 
 net mn offered bnto dE>oD bjcad and toine : o? tyat it be 
 
 Jj» a " of an? plain e anD euident Scripture , plainlte 
 
 Sim be conutcted, trjat fo ije did. I£i$ lojdfoip , ogljt not 
 
 picafrs. to tyinfc it Orange , altyogi) 31 requtre to anttxier 
 
 in lent, to tljat argument , totjic^ InjsjLojDcOnp 
 
 ijatl) pponded, conceaued bcfo?e,and comitted in 
 
 tent, fo? fuel) *jtafce to be,tijeUberticof allfreotf 
 
 putationjs . ULtyott lauboure it toes, o? i$, 3 no* 
 
 tinng regard, f o? Co long ajs <0od doetij minuter 
 
 bnto me, f pirit $ life, toittj iudgement and ^abili- 
 
 tie,l intend (b? in* grace) til oppug,trjat tu^tc^ 
 
 in m? cofcience 3! hold to be Damnable tdolatrte. 
 
 and totyere his lo?dflnp fareth , that he i$ ate a* 
 
 ble to afftrme the maffe (toinch 3 impung) to be 
 
 the ordinance of ®od, as that 3 0? an? of my 0* 
 
 pinion , te able to p?oue %ttm eh?itte to be one 
 
 tubffance vmth thetfathcr: toith reuerece of ins 
 
 Jjyfc lo^dfttpeiai perfonage blood , and hono?, and tctth 
 
 Sr if ^e reuerence 9 patience , of the tohole audtto?, 
 
 ttjc maffr 3j fay, that the affercion is not onelte rafoe, but 
 
 JjP alfo mofte dangerous, tea, and in apart blafphc* 
 
 bK 1 tnoujai. if 0?, fo? to compare the greateft myfterte, 
 
 iihutic yea, the tohole affurance of our redemptio, truth 
 
 Jg» » trjat, tDincty as tt hath bene bf ed, hath no appjo* 
 
 SM batiou of dSods too?de ( fo? that % haue impug* 
 
 lane™ wd, and intended to tmpung ) can not lacfi fufc 
 
 pition, of a ttghtlte eff earning of our redemptio. 
 
 and to cut the matter 0)o?t, the fo?mar queffion 
 
 being decided (to trnt tor)ttrjer that 0pclchtfedec, 
 
 did offer bnto (0od b?ead and ttnne) 1 offer mi 
 
 felf, toitbout further delay, to p?oue, that fetus 
 
 C^tfte, 
 
and $e abbotc of Crot ragnelt. 2 6 
 Clmfte,i!S of one tubttance toity tijetfattyer : and 
 tljat b? tlje eutdent tetttmoniegs of <t&od# ^crip* 
 tureg. and ttyerefoje ?et ag of befo?e, 3 immblp 
 require fyjai lojdelbip , to prepare tym fo? tys p?o* 
 bation of tfce fomtar , to tout , of t^e oblatton of 
 fllpelctyrcoec. 
 
 $). j©umtrite. 
 ^Hiijair 3|o^n ftnor dots afftrme, tljat in plaint 
 termig, tye ^eg iuttlie tmpunged, baity n groud* 
 ejs, bjotyt furty be me, fo? oefece of mp articles. 
 91 anftoer, 9! ntnv tijat be be# maid onv impug* 
 nation, and qubair be tayzm, tbat in plaine too?* 
 deis, ije tyejs Denied, tbat 9]ef u$ CImtte , into tyis 
 latter Supper , Did mafte onp Sacrifice of \jk 
 bodie and blude, imoer tbe fomtegs of bjeao and 
 toine , bnto dffoa tys tfatijer : 0? tbat Qpeltyife* 
 dec did offer bnto dD»od bjeao and tuine, ag of be* §?our 
 fo?e. 91 anfiroer, tbat it 10 bi£ deutie to mafe tm* fcarrao 
 pugnation, to my affercton, conform to m? toar* jf J> 
 rand, fo? denying, i$ na proper no? furacient ira* St 
 pugnation. and qubatr be tapes , tijat becaufe mim 
 91 ^aue not indderto pjouen tbe faioi£ groudijai.™ °^ r 
 #. 91 anftner, tbat it t$ mp deutte to defend and Hf 
 not to p?eif , conform to mr; articftle , 9 mr; toar* t^toHis 
 rand, and qubair be defies tyme to anf toer to « fe not; 
 mv argument, .pponed ttjtf da? tti tout, 91 frety 
 grant it bnto bim. and qubair 9Jobn ftnor GW. chm vt 
 rat my affertto & not onety rafoe, bot atto matft ourrfatb 
 dangerous!, ?ea, and in ane pairt, blafpbemous. ^ ourfflf - 
 91 anftuer, tbat qubair be tarts , 9! am to ralbe ; 
 9i toiis W modeftnes in t^isf tamin , uc as becu* 
 ties ane finceir c^iftiane , tifte as ^e igi recftned to 
 
 <B i; 
 
Cije reffomng betutjc 3o. fenor 
 
 ffiiafohc be * ano wfatr ^ e callfc ™2 affertio in aire pairt 
 
 mic b blafpljemons : tyati ijaD bene t?me to ^aue cal* 
 
 biafpfee. led it blaf pljemte, quljen !je ijaD p?ouen it in DetD 
 
 iX Sir tofflWwwK 3nD quljatr ije ta^ejs , tt ijs Dange* 
 
 mi S row 5 ^air is na Danger , it beanD bnDerffanD, 
 
 «£ it. ag 3 tav, anD treulie mcines. tfo? 3 am matr no? 
 
 affureD, tyat 3efu0 Cimtt our Lo?D, 10 ane Cub* 
 
 jRot as fiance toity tye father , $ ate t^at 3efu0 eb?uX 
 
 papiflcs us tye autljo? anD inttituto? of tije meCTe. &nD 
 
 bauf b; (^r, a D0 tj3j not ane jjeritie , mafe impugnation to 
 
 "• ane btfier. QBot m ting maner of fpeafemg. 31 toil 
 
 plaine my inDuttrie, giuen bnto me be tfje grace 
 
 of <0od , billing to contrant tye tmfDome anD 
 
 Svt PWte nct of tye totfe and p?uDet meDicmar (fo? 
 
 fpfaft. toe are, anD f oulD be of reflon, meDicinarg to fye 
 
 fanle) fo? tyfee a$ tije p?nDent meoicinar , notjs 
 
 erpell ane bennome or popfome , be contrapop* 
 
 tone. ^>toa toalD 3 erpel ttje Damnable ijeriftes, 
 
 m io?d of tye Caluiniftesi , lutyerians , anD &ecolam* 
 
 Ec bur paDian& agatnft yz bltffeD Sacrifice of n meffe, 
 
 rm iftbtgbe conference toitij tye Damnable ^eriueg of t^e 
 
 bpi? to arriang , qutja DiD alleDge tm teftimoniejs of 
 
 not mo* Scripture fo? ane, geuanD mair appearance, to 
 
 P?eif t^at Clj?itt toajai not ane fubftance totty tye 
 
 tfatljer: no? Dotg tlje Calumnies, Hutijerianjai, 
 
 anD aecolampaDtanjai, to p?cif t^at tye meffe, ijs 
 
 iDolatrie : ais 3 tal furactentlie iutttfie , a$ ma? 
 
 ffanD to tlje glo?ie of dffoD, anD toeil of m? caufe. 
 
 Co tye latter pairt , quljair Ije Ca^cjs , to cut tye 
 
 mater fcl>o?t, ttye fo?mar queftton beanD DeciDeD 
 
 (to toit qufntycr tyat SHpelclnfeDec DiD offer b?eiD 
 
 anD tome bnto <0od o? not ) i)t offerijs inm f elfe 
 
 totyityout 
 
at 
 
 ano tt)t abbote of Crofraguell. 2 7 
 toitfcout farmer delay, to p?oue yat 3eftte Cfmff 
 t0 ane fubttance toittj tye father. 9c 31 anftoer 
 to tbe binder pairt of tbte particfcle. % tote of 
 d&oD , be and all bttierg of bte opmtou miftered 
 ate lytic probation 0? pertuauon , to tbe ane , as 
 31 00 to tbe btber , as 31 toalo fa? , to beleue tbe 
 meOe, to be tbe institution of Ctytft 3efuj8, as 3] 
 Do matr no? aOureolie beleue , €tyittz to be ane 
 fubttance trntb tye father , and dcfy?cief na p?o* _. 
 bation thereof: bot faild&od totlland p?eif ye ane 2L 
 be t^e Scripture ate erp?eis, ag ije fall p?etf ye u« able 
 btbcr. and qu^air be ijumblie defy?e£ me , to » *»♦ 
 P?cpair me fo? tbe p?obatio of tbe format (to tort 
 of tye oblation of flipelcbifedec ) 31 bumblie and 
 partite defy?e 3obn ftnor, as fce totll tefftftc bte 
 f ewo?, tyat tfje trcutb cum to ane tryall, and as 
 fcc toil fatifne tlje expectation of tbe noble audi* 
 to?, tbat ^e toill maft tmpugnationfo?mallte ac* 
 co?ding to bte oeuttc , to my latt argument and 
 concluuon. 
 
 31olm Kno%. 
 Wlfytrz my lo?d to bnburden bim felf of tyat, 
 tobtcb by all teafon, be ogbt to fuffeane, to tout, 
 to p?oue Ijte affirmatiue , by Jnm Mf p?oponed, Wom 
 fayetb, tbat to Deny, te not p?operlie to impung. gS&n 
 3 auftocr, tbat in tbat cace , it te mode p?oper. toob to 
 tfo? be tbat .ppouctb fo? bim tof an affirmatiue, p» u * 
 and bte adueriat denying tbe fame , te euer ftill 5£ 
 bouD to tbe p?obation tbereof, and ttje aduerfar & tm, 
 batb euer ftill tmpungned it , bnto be p?oue rt, a>«> m 
 and tbercupon 3 dcfirc iudgement. <£o tbe £>e< £°"£ c 
 cond, 3 ftil affirme tbat it te bte lo?d(bip$ deutie, " ot Don ' 
 
 <£> ti; 
 
Clje reffoning betutr fo. fcnor 
 to pjoue ins affirmattuc, toltereupo ffanDetb, tb,e 
 bictoue of ty$ toijole caitf e : *m tjat be me in plaint 
 toogiess DenyeD. Co tb,e timD, 3 titanft Ijtg Iojd* 
 ano tijat fltip ijajtlte , anD pjomtfeg Unto i)tm an anflooer, 
 tjr tjcs agatne intonating pjefent conference betng put 
 rmattcD tQ an ( U fg clcn t cno. Co tye fourt. 3$ my pjote* 
 flatten toill ttntneg, 3 tpcafi againtt tlje affercto 
 onelie, anD not agamtt t^e perfone : toljtc^e yet 
 ( in my iuDgemettt ) lacftecb, not fufptcton of tye 
 fomtar cnmeg. tfo? fyrtofoeuer my lLo?D be per* 
 fuaDeD of tye grounD ano aOurance of tye melTe 
 (tye affurance hereof 3 ^aue not ret JjarD) 31 
 tirg t elf am fully affureD , t^at tyere be mo t^en 
 ten tyoufanD , taiiicli eutDetttlte Do ftnotoe , tye 
 banttte ano tmptette of tb,at maffe, toljicb, 3 ijaue 
 tmpungneD: toijo nottb,ele0 , moffe conltantlte 
 beleue Set ug Cbjttte, to be of one t ubftance tout) 
 tyc tfatljer: yea, ttjat Do beleue , toi^atfoeuer by 
 t^e ffecrtptureg of ©od , can be pjouen neceffa* 
 rte,for p taiuationof man. C^erefojeyetagatne., 
 3 fay, tyat to lay in any matter of equalttte,tyat 
 tobjcb, tjef mode fure, anD tyat tD^tc^ toag neuer 
 yet plamlte p?ouen by t^e ^crtpturejs of d&oD, 
 to be tije mftttutton of 3rtu$ Clmtt: tjs moje tub 
 tect to tye crymejs fo?efatD, tijen ti&at 3! can be 
 fubtect to any fufptcton of tmmoDettte fo? my fo?- 
 mar toojDeg. €o tlte blafpljemte, 3 anftoer, aj$ 
 before. 31mmcDiatlte to ti&e fert. I^oto tijat euer 
 my to?D bnDerftanoetb, anD meanctlj , tijat b,tjat 
 lo?D(htp t0 ate able , to proue tye maffe to be tyt 
 tnftttutto of 3efu0 Clnift, as 3 am able to pjoue 
 V , to be one fttWfemce totty $e father; % 
 
 tbtnfc 
 
anD tbe abbote of Croftaguell. 2 8 
 tfrinfc tbat an great nomber tmll tbinft my ism 
 affirmation, berrte barD to be pjouen. an&img 
 felf toill (till continually Dout,bnto tbe tyme,31 
 bear tbe probation leD. Co tbe feuent, as toucb* 
 ing my LojDeg compariton oftrjc meDtcincr,auD 
 of big loiDtyipg mDuttrie. £ftbat tbe pafte of ? 
 Cburcb o$t to be , tbe £>crtpture$ plainly Do 
 teacb bg: but tobat bniuerfallte tbey bane bene 
 tbefe nyne bunDjetb rearer bypaft, bitfones, tp 
 pertence , anD recent memone , batb taugbt b& 
 tea, ano p?ef entlie Do teacb bjs : to tbe great gretf 
 of all Cbnftianitte. CMbere tbat W lo?ntfttp do* 
 etb mplatneterme&conDempntbe Caluimfteg, 
 Lutbertans anD aecolampaDiang, of ^ertfie : 3! 
 toolD baue rcqmreD of btf lojDtbip Delay of time, 
 accojDing to ty$ Defyje of me , bnto tbe tyme , 
 tbat tbere canf e baD bene Curacictlie trieo, m an 
 latofull,bniuer(al counfell, Deulie inDicteD,anD 
 conueneD. 05ot tobere tbat t)t comparetb , tbe 
 Doctrine of tbe fojenameD , toitb tbe Damnable 
 bcreue, of arrtug: 91 baolD lyfeetotfe baue toiOieD 
 bnto b# lojDfoip greater fojefigbt , in Co graue a 
 mater, tfo* botofoeuer tbe arrians appeareD to 
 abouo in testimonies of Scriptures, tottbout all 
 grounD, inDitrinctlie cogetteD (anD tbat becaufe 
 tbey maoe no Diftreence betuir tbe ttoo natures ^ m 
 in iefuss €^nHt, but DiD fooliftlie appjopjtat to um w 
 tbe eoDbeao , tbat, tobtcb &iD onelie aperteane jg& »< 
 to tbe manlte nature ) yet tbinft % tbat my lo*D JB? 
 (ball neuer be able, \>v plame £>crtpture , toim* 
 pung any cbief beaD, etber affirmeD , 0? oenyeD, 
 m Doctrine of Muatto by tbe fojetaiDes perfons; 
 
 © iiij 
 
€$e reOoniug betuir 3io. Iftnor 
 
 lyfte ag did ttye godly aim learned in tljere ageg, 
 
 tije fo?efatd damnable ^eriue, Cotljelaff, Uijaue 
 
 alreaote p?omifed to anftocr , to my lo?dc0 ar* 
 
 gurnet in tent: and tt)erefo?e ogj&t not to be bur* 
 
 dened toitij it noto,efpeciallie becaute it tetrntij* 
 
 out our f omtar ground , and ooctti not pjopcrlt c 
 
 aperteane to tije caufe. 3no yet tyerefo?e noto 
 
 laft fo? conclufion, tnat toe ftal not be compelled 
 
 continually to repeat on tying, 3! DcfRe my lo?d 
 
 according to ins deutte, and reafon of otfputati 
 
 wit ms on, to bnng fo?tQ ins p?obatton of tiijs ttoo fo?* 
 
 i6;d na? mar grounder, be me plainly denied. 
 
 SrhJr W* conference Mn% ended , fo? tt)i$ tyme, 
 
 dftS my Ho?de p?etentlie did rife, fo? trouble of body, 
 
 to mc a and tfjeif Holm ftuor , did 0)o?tlie refume , tye 
 
 &**. p?incipall grounded and becauf e tye noble men 
 
 ijeir affembleo , toere altogether oettitute of all 
 
 .puiuon, botye fo? l)o?$ and man, tye fatd 3;ot>n, 
 
 j&umblie required t^e fo?efaid JLo?d, tyat it toold 
 
 pleafe tjm to go to £tr , to^ere tfjat better eau* 
 
 mentmigfj be Dad for all eftates. flinty becauf e 
 
 my £o?d btterlie refufed , tye faioJSo&uoeured 
 
 trtyeu tljat tije (aid conference Ibould be ended. 
 
 flipy io?de did p?omejs , tyat bpon licence pur* 
 
 wwrt.fr cijafed, of tlje &uznc$ maieftie, and ijer fjono?a* 
 
 f iaS ble counf ell, ttjat ^e toold copeir in cftmburgn, 
 
 ro Done and tyere, in t^ere p?ef ence, unity tye tatd conf e* 
 
 °; ™ rence. Cije (aidlJoim did p?ome$, to traucl toitti 
 
 SSttSE fljefecretcounfel , tyat tye faid licence mig&t be 
 
 ute cm obteineo. and deured tye fo?efaid JLo?de , to do 
 
 totmrs. tye lyfte tr>itt) tbe :©uenejs maieftie, thereupon 
 
 tije laid 3iotjn fcnor , tooft inftrumentgi and do* 
 
 cumentjs, 
 
and tfje abbote of Crofraguell. 29 
 Documents. 
 
 09. £mintpne. 
 at tfce concluuon of our reffontng , 3 gaif Pj 
 gjo^n ftuor ane argument in tout, deftring ftim ^i gf 
 tyat i^e toald iuftifie #s opinion be erpjes tefti* um be, 
 monte of Scripture , 0? on? appcrauce thereof* Jjw.fo 
 dfculjairto ttie fato 9Io^n required tpme to gif Jff *L 
 anftoer , and t^e tyme , mtcljt natotfe ferue, of men not 
 farder reffoning , fo? fie caufes , as ar compje* to me 
 fcenoed in tye Cain 3]o!m ftnor touting, and as £ ffiL 
 totoaro tys detyje of me to air, treulie it toas £ EST 
 tinng tyat 31 mic^t not pjefeutlie , comodiouttp but it aj>* 
 Do. OBot altoa^es, 3! toill copeir before ye 4Bue* P mcnft > 
 nes grace , and Oc as ^ir grace , pleas to tafte to jj,£™ 
 be auditor , to Defend tuc (aides articftles , and pmi 
 in fpecial tfee arttcftle concerning tije meffe, as $f md* 
 tya? ar tontteu, qufjen and qufjair it be fctr 2K 
 grace plefure, ttoa tyat t^e ijabilitie %Zm°t 
 of mt bodie toill ferue on? toife t&at can 
 
 as 11 fcope to d5od it fall, «* "»b 
 
 toquijombepjaife jgjg. 
 
 glone and ijo? 
 nojfo? 
 euer. 
 
 Crofrapell 
 
Wt)t refloning betutt 3]o. ftnor 
 £&e anttoer to m? XLo?bejs laft argument, 
 
 p:oponr o br him tit Umt, rtjr lafl oar of 
 miration. %i)t argummt to $10. 
 
 $$> :©uintrne. 
 
 Batfumcucr opinion , 10 conccaur 
 of tfee ^crtpturejs of almic^t? d&od, 
 liauand na erpjeis tetttmonie no? ap* 
 perance of tye famin : 10 btterue to 
 be refuted , as carts llo^n ftnor inm felf. "Bot 
 ficoa it 10 , tt»at 9io^n &nor atom opinion cocea* 
 ued 0? contracted of tbe Scripture, concermng 
 ti&e bringing wrtt> of bjead and toine , be Opel* 
 cljifedec, to refrefl) o? gratifie, abjaijam and ty$ 
 inerie company, i$ not erpjettr; conteined in t^e 
 Scripture , no? ^e# na apperance of t^e tamin, 
 tyairfoje it follototjs toeil, tijat it t$ alluterlie be 
 Jji0 atoin iudgemeut to be refufed. 
 gio^nftnor. 
 pt % ftould grant bnto r;ou , mv lLojde tour 
 totyole argument , 1 (boulo but declare m? i elf 
 ignojant of t^e art, ana bnmr/ndful of mv otone 
 affirmation: but r/et Ijao ?e p?ouen nothing of 
 ?our intent. C^e c#ef queftion, and controuer* 
 fie littuix ?ou and me, ijs not tityetfjer tfjat m? 
 interpretation of tyat place ( toijict) at rour m* 
 fiance anD requcatt 9! gaue ) be treto o? not : but 
 toljetyer t^at apclclnfedcc tye figure of Clmffe, 
 did offer bnto d&oo b?ead 9 toine, to^ictye ?e ijaue 
 affirmeD , and baue latD tt to be tye ground and 
 caufe , totnj it befyweo C&ifte letug , to fjaue 
 
 made oblation 
 
and t&e abbote of erofraguell, 30 
 oblation of^tjs bodie and blood , bnder tye fo?m* 
 e$ of b?eao and tuine 3 in Jnjai latter Supper. 
 M^tc^ botbe 31 oenyed. ^0 tyat it reite to you 
 to p?oue , tyat flWcfjifedec t&e figure of Gtyitt, 
 Did offer bnto dsod b?ead and tome* $t. and ap* 
 perteines not bnto me, to p?oue my opinion, no? 
 mterp?etation. for Cuppofing tyat my opinion, 
 eoceaued of tyat place tuere to be reiected (as ye 
 are neuer able to p?oue it to be ) yet i» four af* 
 firmattue,neuertyebetterp?ouen, fo? if ye toill 
 conclude : it toes not b?oa$t fo?ty to refreO) a* 
 b?a^am (totyiclj yet 10 not p?ouen) ergo it toes 
 b?ogfct fo?ty to be offered bnto d&oo ; babes toill 
 mocft y ou , and fend y ou againe to tour logics. 
 .•But ret my Ho?d toirij tour leaue 3> muff come 
 nerar you, and fay, $at tfce xmm 0? firff part of 
 your argument is fate, and tyat ye faltty alledge 
 bpon me, t^at tp^tcii 31 neuer fpaft no? ment. 
 JSead tije tobole conference betuir you and me, 
 and ye (ball not find tyat 31 fcaue fimplie afittr* 
 med tijat all opinion of man , conceaued of tfie 
 Scriptures, is btterlie to be reiected: onlestBe 
 lame be p?ouen by tye manifeff toojde of d&od. 
 m% am not igno?ant tyat tome interpretation 
 ar tollerable, yea, and may be to tye edification 
 of tbe Cfcurcfc , altfcoglj tyey do not fully erp?es, 
 t|e mmde of tbe fcolte d&ofte, in tbat place* But 
 I tjaue affirmed , and yet affirmed , tljat netfter 
 tye autyo?itie of tbe C^urc^, t^e determination 
 ot tpe counfell, no? tye opinion of u)z docto?, i& 
 to be receaued in matters of faity , 9 in tye doc* 
 trine concerning our faluation : onles tfte lame 
 
C&e returning betutr 3!o. &nor 
 be pjouen by tye erpjeg toojd of d&oo. and tyer< 
 fo?e mt lLc?d, toity tour leaue, % mutt (at> tyat 
 etyer toilfullt o? elss bt tome ouerfig^t , te ijaue 
 omitted botye m tye maio? 9 in tye mmoj of tour 
 argument, ti^at tirtjity ftould ijaue bene, p caufe 
 and affuranee of tour concluuon. f o? tyus te 
 ogfet to ^aue reafoneo. C£u)atfoeuer opinion ijs 
 conceaued of tye Scripture of almtg^tte d5oD, 
 concerning fatty and tye Doctrine of Valuation, 
 ^auing no erpjejai tetttmonie of tye lame, ig to be 
 reiected. T5ut to it i&, tyat fo^n ftnor ottme 0* 
 pinion , concerning tye bunging fojty of bjead 
 and toine bt 0peltyifedec , te a matter concer* 
 ning faity , anD tye Doctrine of our Valuation. 
 anD ytt Ijaty no tettimonte of d&oDS erp?effed 
 too&e : tyerefoje it is to be reiecteD. &t on tins 
 maner te ^ao reafoneD, vny io?d, (ajs of neceflt* 
 tie te mutt Do , if te concluDe ant tying againtt 
 me) 31 toold Ijaue immeDiatlie DenieD tye fecond 
 part of tour argument, anD liaur (aid: tnat to 
 finoto o? Define , toijat toes Done toity tye bjead 
 and toine, bjogijt out by Speltyifedec , ig no ar* 
 ticfcle of our beleue , netyer tet is it a Doctrine, 
 neceflatie to tye Valuation of man. § 0? netyer 
 DtD &dam, abel , £>ety , Cnog , l^enoty , fl^a* 
 tyufaiem, no? $ote, beleue ant futye tying, ne* 
 tyer tct i0 tyere ftnce tye dates of £b?a^am, ant 
 comandement giuen bt (tffod, to beleue futye an 
 articfile , tea , furtyer tn tye totyole ^>cripture#, 
 tyere i& no mention made fctyat txiejai done trity 
 tyat bjeao and tmne , and tyerefoje it can be no 
 articftle of our beleue , no? tet no doctrine con* 
 
 cernmg 
 
and tye abbote of Croftagueil. 3 1 
 cerning our Valuation, and to tiatii rour argu^ 
 ment bjolteu ttye otone necti. J0f 3J lift, mt Lo?d 
 to fpojt a Ittitt tmtfc tou, 3 ttitfl&t fino fome oc* 
 cafion in tye f econd part of tour argument, f oj 
 trtyere te affirme t^at mt opinion cocerningt&e 
 bringing fojtii of the tycad ana Knint , bt flfccl* 
 ctyfedec, to refrefl) atya^am and fctf companie, 
 i0 nether erpjeflt conteined in tye toojd of dBoo, 
 nether tet $ati> appearance of ttye famet and 
 tljerefoje btterlie it te to be reiecteo. $oto mt 
 JLojde giue me leaue , to turne t^tjS part of tour 
 argument in tour otone bofome , if % can, and 
 tt>at fo 31 way do, #u$ 31 reafon* 
 
 CJe opinion 
 
 conceaueo bt mp Lojde abbote , concerning 
 bjead and toine, tyogljt fo#& bt fl^elciuTedec to 
 be offered mtto <0oo, i$ not erpjettt conteineo 
 in d&ods Scriptures, tyerefoje it i$ btterlie to 
 be reiecteo. Betoatre mt Ho?oe , tyat te be not 
 beaten tott^ tour oton batton : fojtfjen mutt ttje J* IJ S 
 maffe, tea, tije beft part of tfce lame, Oauo bpon S m 
 an bnf ure ground , t^at is to tat , bpon tye opi* 
 nion of man , and ^auing no affurance of (Bona 
 erp?effed toofle, But noto mt tojde , mertnejt 
 fet aftde,31^umblie requtre tou, ^ mt pen, as 
 31 did bt mouty , tfjat oepelie te confider , toitlj 
 totyat cofcience before d5od, te dar affirme p doc* 
 trine tobe^oUome,tea,^neceOart tobebeleued, 
 
 thereof 
 Wiij 
 
€$e reffoning betuir 3!o* ftflor 
 pe are able to bnng no pjufe out of ttic mamf ett 
 too?D of <5od. die fccono Da? of our conference 
 ana Deputation, town 3! toa$ coftramcD to an- 
 ttoer,tour freuole coiectureg anDtoanitieg: tour 
 fraggcs and bode, ofter blotocn out tftcn ones, 
 toere, tfcat tour jobation (boulD be fO euiDent, 
 tftat tlic (tones Q)oul& liearc tour probation, anD 
 I DeaD tojaUesftoulD fe tbe tuftnejai of tour caufe. 
 % pacientlt DtD abtDe (altbogti perchance tniti? 
 t^e greif of fomebjet&en) t0efe tour tooantone 
 
 ttoOjDeg, anD $Ogt)t tUtt^ tttt felf ^arturiunt mon* 
 trs. it. *But tnnat ts noto pjoDuceD anD tyogbt 
 fotflj, tfte too?lD mat f e. 9Jt mat appeare t^at te 
 toere tiaru befet, tojhcn fo to auoiDe tlic pjufe of 
 tour otome affitrmatiue, te fleD to impugne, tyat 
 totudj appcrteanetfj nothing to tfce purpof e. m 
 as 3! toes not bouuD to nauc Oictojcn tmto tou 
 toiia't 31 tbogiit lues Done trttu tbc bjeaD anD 
 Urine, bjogbt fojtlj bt 0£elctufeDec, fo t»e#3I not 
 bounD to banc DefeuDeD, mt interpretation anD 
 iuDgement of that place: but tmto tou it altoat* 
 e0 apcrtcmctn (anD if euer toe meit againetopon 
 tbat bcaD , it toilbe tet iuDgeD to aperteine to 
 tou) to p?oue tyat AJDelcinteDec, DiD at tfcat time 
 offer b?eaD anD toinc ton to 4$od, toUic'tj % am 
 toell aOitreD,tyat te are neuer able to Do,btant 
 tettimonie of <0oD$ toojDe. anD tberefbje mutt 
 i^tf- 31 tat , t^e matte ffanDetf) grounDles. anD t^e 
 greatett patrone thereof, fo* all $i$ ucfier riDing 
 tjaty ones lode ty$ ftirropeg, tea, i& altogether 
 fet beftDcs t)i$ tetih anD tet tije common bmte 
 goetlj , tljat te mt JLo#e , vouv Batterers , anD 
 
 collaterally 
 
ana tbe abbote of Crofraguell. 32 
 
 collaterally bjag greatlie of tour bictone , ob< 
 
 temeo in Difputatton agatntt 3Jobn ftnor, 
 
 but 3! toill not beleue tou to be to batne 
 
 onleg 31 (ball fenotoe tbe certanitte 
 
 bt tour otoeu bauo tojit. 
 
 net all men noto tu&ge bpon tobatgrouno tbe 
 
 Sacrifice of tbe maffe ttanoetb. €be bea* 
 
 uenlt ^fatber batb not plantefc toitbtn 
 
 t)i$ ^>crtpture0 fucbe a Doctrine. 
 
 3jt follotoetb tberefoje tbat 
 
 it ogbt to be rooteo 
 
 out of all goo* 
 
 Ire menejs 
 
 barter 
 
 t Je cnb 
 3mn?mteb at 
 
 <£omburgb bt Bobert Hefepjcutft. 
 
 Cum p?tuilcgto. 
 
 1563. 
 
tffeintactgfr; 
 Beprimto by dffcorge Bamta? ana Company, 
 
 iftom an tfDrigmal Cops in tfje tfuctjfalttfe 3librarp» 
 1 812.