¿,3 fsT fi3 3. t> î' REPORT OF TUE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON OP THE CCltamlïcv of öüommcm of the ^tate of |]leiu-|¡orh, ON THE REPLY MADE BY Hon. LELAND STANFORD, President of the Central Pacific R. R. Co. TO THE QUESTIONS ON THE RAILROAD PROBLEM, PROPOUNDED BY THE COMMITTEE. APRIL 7th, i83i. NWW- YORK: PEESS OP THE CHAMBEE OP COMMERCE. 1881. REPORT GE THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON R^IL^D TpSPORpOíi OF THE iSIhambe»: of €iomttWïcc of the <^íaíe of ||iettt-||orh, ON THE REPLY MADE BY Hon. LELAND STANFORD, President of the Central Pacific R. R Co. TO THE QUESTIONS ON THE RAILROAD PROBLEM, PROPOUNDED BY THE COMMITTEE. APRIL 7th, 1881. NEW- YORK; PRESS OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 1881. I! K N 12 Y K K S K V . P « 1 N T E 11 , So. 4' t'a.lsr Stioe", N«»\*-York. REPORT. To the Chamber of Commerce : The Special Committee on Railroad Transportation respectfully report, for the information of the Chamber, that among the answers to the series of questions propounded some time since by your Com¬ mittee to various eminent men, that of Hon. Leland Stanfoed, President of the Central Pacific Railroad, seems worthy of careful examination and consideration. The object of your Committee in propounding these questions was to stimulate discussion of the principles governing the relations of railroads to the public, and thus endeavor to arrive at an equitable adjustment of same. Hav¬ ing previously printed the answers of Judge Black and of the Railway Commissioners of Massachusetts, each treating the subject from a different point of view, your Committee now present to the Chamber the views of President Stakfoed, which, as before stated, are valuable as-presenting, in an exceptionally able manner, the rail¬ road side of the question under consideration. It is evident that this expression of opinion has received careful legal supervision and interpretation, and yet it is remarkable for a boldness of assertion of railroad claims, and a lofty contempt for the decisions of our Courts, which can only spring from a consciousness of power, and which fairly joins issue with those made in behalf of the public. It now remains to be seen—not which is nearest right, for the highest Court in the land has already decided the principles involved, in favor of the people, but whether the people, through their Govern¬ ment, can control the railroads, or whether the railroads shall abso¬ lutely control the people. Briefly stated. Governor Stanfoed's propositions are as follows : 1. He denies that railroads are public highways and common carriers, deriving their existence from the State, and asserts that they owe no duties to the public other than those of the merchant, the farmer or the laborer. 4 2. He denies tlie existence of discriminations upon the roads with which he is connected, but justifies them in principle. 3. He substantially admits that railroad companies contribute large sums to control nominations or elections, and states tbat it is no better or Avorse than Avhere the same is done by individuals. 4. He claims that stock-watering is a matter which aifects only in¬ dividual owners, and in Avhich the public have no interest. 5. He repudiates the idea of State regulation of railroads Avith the words : "What you propose in regard to railroad property is, " to my mind, on a par Avith the principles contended for by the " Communists ; and the agitator, Kearney, advocated no doctrine " in regard to property more atrocious than the principles embodied " in the Granger cases, and the laws which they sustain." 6. The panacea proposed by President Stanford for all the evils of the present system of railroad management is, "Let us alone." To such claims as these, it is useless to apply argument ; Ave there¬ fore meet them Avith facts, and leave the members of this Chamber and tbe public to judge them. Regarding the first clause, the Courts from the. loAvest to the highest have decided that railroads are public higbAA'ays and com¬ mon carriers, bound to make but reasonable charges, and these Avith- out favoritism or discrimination. A recent decision of Judge Baxter, of the United States Circuit Court, says : " Railroads are quasi public institutions. They are authorized to facilitate, and not to control or force from legitimate and natural channels, or liinder or obstruct the business of the country. Rail¬ road companies, as common carriers, are bound to the extent of their corporate means to supply all the accommodations and facilities de¬ manded by the regular and ordinary business of the country through Avliich they pass. Neither the railroad comp.anies nor the Courts can discriminate in favor of one or more parties as against others. All are entitled to the same measure of accommodation Avho may offer to do the like business." Second. In .answer to the denial of Governor Stanford, that dis¬ criminations against communities or individuals .are pr.acticcd by roads with which he is connected, Ave submit the folloAving extracts 5 from a speech made in Congress February 21, 1881, by Hon, R. M. Daggett, Representative from Nevada. " The merchant at Toano having a special contract, pays $82 pel¬ ear load less freight than the merchant at Palisade, although, as before mentioned, the carriage is 129 miles more." * * * " The freight on a box of eggs from Ogden to Toano costs one man $3.35 per box, and the same number of eggs in the same sized box, and of the same weight, costs another man 65 cents. A hundred pounds of squashes costs one man in freight $1.36, while it costs another 55 cents." # * it * All merchandise consigned from New-York to railway points in Nevada must pay, " 1st, full through rates from New-York to San Francisco, when in reality the freights are not taken through, but delivered 600 or 700 miles east of San Francisco ; and 2d, excessive way rates from San Francisco to points of delivery in Nevada of the same freights which have neither been forwarded beyond nor brought back by the railway company making this cold-blooded charge." For instance, a car load of candles is taken from New-York to San Francisco for $300, but if left at Elko, 619 miles less distance, the charge is $800, being the through rate to San Francisco, plus the local rate from San Francisco hack to Elko. Third. Regarding the assertion that it is no worse for railroads to contribute money to control nominations or elections than it is for individuals, we answer, that while in principle it is not, in prac¬ tice it is far more dangerous and objectionable, it being largely a question of degree, just as one predatory animal is more dangerous than another according to its size and strength. The corruption of our elections and legislation by great corporations is one of the most dangerous and regretable of features in modern society. It is a matter of official record in this and other States. The Hep- BGEíT Committee allude to this subject in the following terms : " The possible exercise of this vast political power direct and in¬ direct, not to discuss its exercise in the past, seems to your Commit¬ tee an unanswerable argument in favor of instituting governmental supervision of railroads, and holding them in their management to a strict accountability." Fourth. The fallacy of the claim that stock-watering does not affect the public interest is shown by the fact that the dividends paid in 13 years last past on the watered stock which the late Mr. 6 VAKOEKiiiLT put into the N. Y. C. and H. R. R. R., (in the years 1867 and 1868,) have amounted, with interest thereon compounded annually, to over seventy-five millions of dollars, or, in other words, if, instead of thus inflating these stocks, they had been maintained at the amount then ouistanding, and rates for transportation cor¬ respondingly lowered, the public would have been seventy-five millions of dollars better off, and forty-seven millions of watered stock (now quoted at 146) would not be in existence to afford an excuse for further taxing the production and commerce of the country for all time to come. This practice of creating ficti¬ tious values in public, enterprises is perhaps the most detrimental to the public interest of all the abuses attending uncontrolled management of railroad and telegraph corporations. It is accom¬ plished by many different methods. " Construction " or " develop¬ ment " companies are a favorite method. The " Credit Mobilier," in connection with the Union Pacific Road, is a case in point, and a more recent instance is illustrated by the following, from the "Graphic " of March 18th, 1881 : " The Central Construction Company is now paying at its office. No. 80 Broadway, a final dividend in Western Union Telegraph Company new stock at par of 150 per cent, on the $5,000,000 of subscriptions made last year for the construction of the American Union lines. With the previous dividend of 150 per cent, in American Union Stock, this gives to the subscribers the equivalent of 300 per cent, in a new Western Union stock at par on their in¬ vestment. This was the first of the construction companies estab¬ lished by Jay Gould, and whose subscriptions have been so eagerly sought for by the wiser class of investors. The others are said to promise to pay fully as well as this." Capitalizing " surplus earnings " is another form of stock water¬ ing which is described by the Legislative Committee of 1878, which investigated the coal combination, as follows : " During the receipt of these enormous profits many of the coal corporations, as was the case with railroads not engaged in the coal carrying trade, unable, under their charters, or for other reasons, to declare dividends upon thçir stock that would absorb their unexpended surplus, issued additional stock to the stock¬ holders, for which they paid nothing. Inaugur.ated what is commonly known as stock-watering, or a capitalization of surplus earnings, which is in substance exacting money from the people, creating an indebtedness representing the same, and making this the basis for forever asking the public to pay interest upon their own money so exacted." 7 Even stealings have, in the past, been capitalized, prominent examples of which are found in the former management of the Erie and the New-York and New-Haven Railroads. The SchuvLeb frauds of the latter were at one time famous. The President of the road, Mr. Schuyler, issued and sold a large amount of bonds, applying the proceeds to his own use. It might he thought that the stockholders would have assessed themselves to make up the deficiency caused by the unfaithfulness of their own servant, but inste.ad of doing this they "increased their capital," or in other words issued and sold stock enough to cover the fraudulent bonds, and since that time have maintained rates high enough to pay dividends, generally of 10 per cent., upon the whole amount of stock thus inñated. What would be thought of a merchant making a bad debt who assessed the amount upon his paying customers ! And even this would not compare to the injustice of the other, for when the bad debt had been assessed and paid that would end it, but in the case of the increased stock of the New-Haven and other railroads it remains a burden upon the public so long as rates for transportation are maintained high enough to yield dividends upon it. The Central Pacific Railroad Company has been an adept at these practices, and through its "construction and finance company" it has inflated its obligations to the fullest possible extent. Fifth. Regarding the denunciation of the decisions of the Supreme Court of the United States by President Stanfoed it is, as above stated, useless to argue. It may, however, account for the recent attempts to place upon the Supreme Court bench a prominent railroad attorney, and in the face of such utterances it behooves all patriotic citizens to jealously guard against the prefer¬ ment in any department of our Government of men who have been the servants of great public corporations, who are likely to sympa¬ thize with these corporations to the detriment of the public interest. It recalls to mind the recent notable words of United States Senator David Davis : The rapid growth of corporate power, and the malign influence which it exerts by combination on the National and State Legisla¬ tures, is a well-grounded cause of alarm. A struggle is pending in the near future between this overgrown power, with its vast ramifi¬ cations all over the Union, and a hard grip on much of the politi¬ cal machinery, on the one hand, and the people in an unorganized condition on the other, for control of the government. It will be watched by every patriot with intense anxiety." 8 Sixth. Regarding the claim made by President Stanford, that railroads should be left alone to manage their affairs in their own way, and decide what is a reasonable charge for the service "rendered, we call attention to the results already attained by this policy in the case of President Stanford and his associates, as set forth in the following extract from the speech of Congressman Daggett, before alluded to. These statements are extraordinary, hut were made in Congress, have been officially printed, extensively circulated, and your Committee are not aware that any attonpt has been made to controvert them : " how the central pacific was built. " Nor can the necessity of securing a fair return for the money in¬ vested by the Central Pacific Railroad owners be urged in explana¬ tion of their extraordinary charges. When they began the construc¬ tion of the road they paid taxes in the aggregate on property of all kinds amounting to less than §150,000. To-day their railroad property alone, with the indebtedness standing against it deducted, is valued by them at the enormous sum of over one hundred and eighty-six million dollars. But it cannot be shown that they ever advanced money enough from their own jjockets to build a single mile of the road. The bonds of the Government and the subsidies and gifts of the people were more than sufficient to build and stock the road entire. " The original incorporators paid in 10 per cent, on $1,000 a mile for one hundred and fifteen miles, the estimated distance from Sacra¬ mento to the Nevada line. Twelve hundred and fifty shares of stock were subscribed at $100 per share, of which Messrs. Stanford, Huntington, Hopkins and Crocker, took six hundred shares. As¬ suming, however, that they advanced the required 10 per cent, on all the shares subscribed, and their original investment did not ex¬ ceed $12,500, all told. On this small investment the gentlemen have done well—so well, in fact, that in 1877 President Stanford report¬ ed the property of the Central Pacific to be worth $187,003,680.66, while Mr. Crocker, President of the Southern Pacific, valued the property of that road at $115,359,011.98, making a total valuation of $302,362,692.64. The indebtedness of the Central Pacific was given by Mr. Stanford at $85,391,350.64, and the indebtedness of the Southern Pacific was placed by Mr. Crocker at $30,415,332.95, making the total indebtedness of the two roads $115,806,683.59. The account then stood as follows : Value of the property of both roads, $302,362,692 64 The indebtedness of both roads, 115,806,683 59 Assets over liabilities, $186,556,009 05 "Independently of the United States bonds loaned to the Central Pacific, the gifts to the two roads amount to $91,011,280, according 9 to the estimates of their executive officers. The net earnings of the roads are reported at $75,000,000. In reality they have been much larger, as their expense, like their construction accounts, have afforded large margins of profits to their managers in other capaci¬ ties. " A part of the wealth of these railroad gentlemen two years ago consisted of $54,000,000 of watered stock of the Central Pacific and $36,000,000 of the Southern Pacific,being an aggregate of $90,000,000 in stock, which cost them only the price of printing, and upon which they are compelling the public to pay them eight per cent, yearly in dividends. " The Southern Pacific has heen constructed andjoaidfor from the earnings of the Central Pacific, yet the owners issue $50,000 in stock, and $40,000 in bonds per mile, and charge such rates as will enable them to collect annually eight per cent, on the stock and six per cent, on the bonds. In the face of such figures as these, can President Stanford's plea, " let us alone," be tolerated ? Can such a power of taxation be safely left subject only to the regulation of the corporate conscience ? Great efforts are now being made by persons in the railroad inter¬ est to prove that railroad consolidation, with all its increase of power in the hands of a few men, is in the interest of commerce, because it reduces the proportionate expense of operating these modern high¬ ways, and the constant decline in charges for transportation is pointed to ip confirmation of this theory. Your Committee are of course aware of the greater proportionate economy of operating large than small establishments of all kinds, and to this rule railroads are not exceptions. We have no objection to all the railroads in the United States being consolidated into a single system, jorowicfec? that system is controlled in the interest of the public, but so long as railroad managers permit gross favoritism and discriminations against both communities and individuals ; so long as they seek by stock-watering and other devices to obtain from the public more than a reasonable compensation for the service rendered ; so long as they try to perpetuate these abuses by obtaining control of the legislative, judicial and executive departments of our government, just so long must we esteem the consolidation of railroad power detrimental to all classes of citizens, and a perpetual menace to the public welfare, for it is calculated to re-distribute the wealth of the country, virtually concentrating the commerce of the nation in few hands, and making all others tributary thereto. Reduced rates for transportation, and the development of new industries and new sections of our country, are no equivalent for results like these, and in 10 point of fact it is not so niucii the economies of consolidation which have given the public decreased rates of transport, as it is the brains of our inventors. Steel rails last from four to six times as long as iron rails, and cost but one-quarter more. Locomotives haul one- half more load than they did ten years since. Freight cars carry a much larger paying load in proportion to weight of rolling stock, than formerly. Improved signals, improved appliances for handling freight, &c., greatly reduce the cost of labor required in operating railroads, and collectively, the effect of these inventions has been so great, that railroads have been enabled to largely reduce their charges, and still yield enormous returns to the capital actually con¬ tributed for their construction. Steam applied to transportation, and electricity as a means of carrying intelligence, have conferred enormous benefits upon the people of the world, hut not to the de¬ gree they should have done. The National Board of Trade, at its last annual meeting, adopted a report stating, " The degree to which the great powers of steam and electricity have been allowed to pass into corporate hands, which employ them as a means to tax the public unduly for their use, is at this time forcing itself upon the attention of our statesmen, and there is a widespread feeling that the public welfare demands that the power and privileges of corporate grants shall be limited in the future." Further comment is unnecessary at this time ; your Committee ask the members of the Chamber to carefully consider the views of President Stanford, which are printed in full as an appendix to this report, and compare them with the facts herewith submitted. New-Yoek, April 7, 1881. (Signed,) Charles S. Smith, Jackson S. Schultz, B. B. Sherman, F. B. Thuebee, C. C. Dodge, Of Special Commit¬ tee on Railroad Transportation, APPENDIX. LETTER OF HON. LELAND STANFORD, PRESIDENT OF THE CENTRAL PACIFIC RAILROAD. San Feancisco, January 20, 1881. Chaeles S. Smith, Jackson S. SchtiltZj B. B. Sheeman, F. B. Thuebbe and C. C. Dodge, a Special Committee on Trans¬ portation of the Nexo- Yox'k Chamber of Corrmiex'ce : Gentlemen,—I Lave received from you several documents, among others a list of questions pertaining to railroads and railroad matters ; also Judge Bljíck's answer to these questions. I shall not undertake to answer the questions separately and specifically, hut will, in a general manner, endeavor to substantially cover the essential points of all. The general scope of your questions goes to the control, to a greater or less extent, of property which the stock¬ holders in railroad companies believe to be of right their own. Here it is pertinent, it seems to me, to call attention to the principles upon which our Government is founded. They are laid down in that great bill of rights kn(>wn as the Declaration of Inde¬ pendence. There it is clearly enunciated that governments are instituted to secure the people in their inalienable rights—life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This was a new departure in government, and in direct antagonism to that theory of government which was based upon the divine right of kings—to govern, to control, and to arbitrarily fix burdens upon the people for their own personal aggrandizement. The " rights of sovereignty " is a phrase common throughout all our law books, but if the origin of these " rights " be closely scanned, they will be found to be almost invariably in confiict with the fundamental idea of our Government. Tariffs and the supervision of commerce and trade originated in a barbarous age, and were the direct offspring of robbery and rapine enforced by the hand of might. the question of ownbeship is in conteol. If the question of the control of railroads were to be treated purely from a legal standpoint, I should have nothing to say, because it is stare decisis. The essence of ownership is in control. The value of property consists in its use or the rents and profits to be derived. In the celebrated " Granger cases," so called, the use. 12 the profits and the conti'ol were declared to he the subject of legisla¬ tion. The principle in these eases, especially as enunciated in the " Warehouse " case, was that the right of the Legislature to control the use and the benefits of the property of private individuals, in connection with their own personal services, was to be determined by the nature of the business or the number of peoj^le Avith whom the business might be transacted. To sustain these decisions there was a violent assumption of fact. It does not follow that the Avarehouseman necessarily does business Avith a large number of people. A single individual might tax to the utmost the capacity of the AA'arehouse—and, indeed, of several. To illustrate : one citizen of California, from a single crop, had forty thousand tons of wheat. This Avould have filled eight ware¬ houses of a capacity of five thousand tons each, and under the decisions in the case referred to this farmer might have had appro¬ priated to his benefit these eight warehoAises, and the personal services of those engaged in attending to the business. In such a case, if one or more indudduals may use the property and appro¬ priate the services of one or more persons, there is no limit to which the poAver may be exercised over all kinds of business. Then, AA'here is the hai-mony betAveen a decision of tbe Courts sustaining this doctrine and the fundamental principles of our Government, to Avhich allusion has before been made ? These decisions sustain Judge Black's assertion, but there can be no denying that they are a most flagrant violation of tbe principles of free government, and are entirely in harmony with that theory of gOA'ernment Avhieh rests its foundation in might and asserts the divine right of kings. The idea of our system of government Avas that men should be free, independent and self-reliant ; that eA'ery man should depend upon himself for his success in life. The establishment of commissions of espionage, the appointment of ofiicers to inquire into or to regu¬ late men's business affairs, and tbe attempt of the Government to make contracts for individuals, all tend to destroy this independence, and are departures AA'hich should be carefully considered. It was never intended that this should be a paternal government, yet does it not begin to assume that form when it is claimed that it should fix the terms of contracts betAveen independent parties, by attempts at regulating the rates shippers shall pay and carriers shall receive for their services ? But I proceed to treat the subject in its politico- economic aspects. no the states create the eaileoads ? In your first interrogatory you seem to beg the Avhole question, and assume that " railroads are public higbAvays and common car¬ riers, and derive their franchise and existence from the public." I do not think that the assumption is proper. Corporations are formed, I believe, throughout all the States of our Union under general in¬ corporation laAVS, and they are formed by the individual incorpora¬ tors. Tbe property of the incorporation is contributed by the stockholders, and the State no more creates the corporation or its 13 property than it creates a joint partnership between individuals or the partnership property. I take it that there is a wide misappre¬ hension as to what the State does for the various railroad corpora¬ tions. There is an idea that the State confers a franchise of value. This, I presume, grows out of the ideas associated with and derived from that species of corporation, now nearly obsolete, created by special acts of the Legislature before tbe existence of our general incorporation laws, and which was necessarily a monopoly. To in¬ corporations created in this way, there were granted of course franchises supposed to be of value, but to the modern corporation the State gives nothing but the right to exist. The corporation ob¬ tains nothing Avhich cannot be had by any set of individuals who choose to associate themselves together, as a corporation, for the same purpose ; and all it costs in the State of California to create such a corporation, with the privilege of paralleling every mile of railroad in the State, is the mere fee for filing the articles of incor¬ poration (amounting to about $10.) If a thing has a greater value than it can be had for at any time by anybody, I am unable to per¬ ceive it. THE EIGHT OP EMINENT DOMAIN. Many have the impression that there is a right of eminent domain attaching to this railroad corporation which is of value. To this I say that the right of eminent domain is not exercised by the railroad company, but by the State, in whom only exists this power, and is exercised upon the theory that the investment by the railroad in¬ corporators of their time and private jiroperty is of a character highly beneficial to the public. The State does not do it for the benefit of the railroad company, and has no right to take the benefit of the railroad company into consideration. The State requires the railroad corporation to pay to the indi¬ vidual whose property has been taken its full value. And here let me say, that the legitimacy of the investment of the means of the individual incorporators, and its character, are stamped by the State Avhen it declares that that investment is of so great a public benefit that it is justified in exercising the right of eminent domain to enable the investors to carry out the objects specified in the articles of incorporation. If, then, this is the economic character stamped upon the investment by the State, why, in the next breath, dis¬ courage that investment by limiting the possible profits and hamper¬ ing the investors in the control of the property that they, and they alone, placed in the corporation? "Why discourage them from put¬ ting in their individual property to aid an enterprise of such great public advantage ? When the State exercises the right of eminent domain in taking the property of the individual and allowing the railroad company to use it upon full payment of its value, it is upon the theory, and only upon the theory, that the use of that property would inure so largely to the benefit of the public. Now, Avhat portion of the people is benefited. Why, that portion, and that portion only, whom you, by an arbitrary reduction of rates, would 14 further benefit. Now, why exercise the right of eminent domain, and require the railroad company to pay the individual for the use of his property, and not do the same thing again when you take the property of incorporators, and the use of this identical property taken by the right of eminent domain, and give it to the same public ? And here I might say, in passing, that when the life of the corpoi'ation ceases the right of way expires with it, and the uncon¬ trolled use of the property reverts to the owner in fee. Your second question is, "Railroad managers justify the practice of giving low rates to some shippers and refusing them to others on the ground of development of business in certain localities. * * * * Is it consistent with the public welfare and the rights of citizens to allow railroad managers to decide what persons and places shall be thus developed?" I shall not say any thing to justify discrimination against individuals and communities, but con¬ tent myself on this head by simply stating that such has never been practiced by the railroad companies with which I am connected. So far as they are concerned, they practice the same general business principles that govern and regulate individuals in the management of their affairs. the peisiaet consideeatioh with eaileoad managees. The primary consideration with railroad managers, under the ob¬ servance of the golden rule, is their treasury. With this idea in view, and to meet competition, they often carry freight at less rates for a longer than for a shorter distance, and they accept the less rate because they cannot do better, and because a small profit is better than none. This is only in accordance with the principles of industry, of thrift and of economy, which should ever be en¬ couraged. To deny the companies the privilege of working for a small profit, would be on a par with saying to an individual, " Better be idle than take small earnings when larger cannot be had." You have been pleased to forward to me an extract from "Gate's" letters, referring to this question and relating directly to the Cen¬ tral Pacific Railroad Company. The principle there stated I pro¬ pose to justify, although the facts, as he states them, are largely magnified. It is the policy of the Central Pacific, and, I believe, of the railroad companies of the United States generally, to accept a small profit where a larger cannot be obtained, as it is also its policy to encourage the development of the resources of the coun¬ try. In doing so, it practices no unjust discrimination. It charges nobody else more because of the low rate it is compelled to accept from others, but it puts into practice a common and economic prin¬ ciple which I think will be recognized as just by a simple illustra¬ tion. Four individuals have different articles which they desire to transport in bulk to a market, the general conditions of transport¬ ing being about equal, but the goods varying in value as one, two, three and four. It is a question of constructing a road—we will call it a railroad—to move the four different commodities of 15 these four different persons to the same market. We will further suppose that Avithout the construction of the road it would he im¬ possible for either of these parties to move their property, and that the property once moved to market, the road would be of no further use. Is it not clear that the proportion of the expense to be contributed by each should be determined by the value of the different commodities to be moved ? Articles 1 and 2 would not justify the average expense consequent upon the building of the road ; hence, if articles 3 and 4 did not pay a larger share, 1 and 2 could not be moved, and perhaps without the aid of 1 and 2, 3 and 4 could not alone afford the construction of the road. Hence all four commodities might remain in the hands of the owners, un¬ able to reach a market. THE QUESTION OE " DISCRIMINATION." Another illustration in point is found in the case of the ware¬ houseman who has his building two-thirds full at regular rates. To fill the other third he often will accept a less rate for cheaper com¬ modities that cannot afford to pay the higher rate, because it is better for him to take this small addition to the aggregate receipts than to have any portion of his building idle. If he had nothing offered, hoivever, but the cheaper class, he could not afford to con¬ tinue business. The same principle is recognized by the owner of the quartz mill, say of fifteen stamps. If of high grade rock he can obtain sufiicient to keep ten stamps employed, he can run the other five on the poorer article, because, while tbe mill must be run to work the good ore, the low grade can be crushed and the metal saved at little cost beyond the Avear and tear of the battery. Anything, however small, earned over fixed expenses is better than nothing, and the warehouseman, the millman and the railroad company gladly accept a low rate, (Avhich helps pay expenses that must be incurred,) when the articles offered cannot afford to pay a higher. If, however, they had nothing which paid the higher rates, all Avould fail. Every ship plying the ocean practices this principle of business. It is on this principle that we justify the carrying of low grade ores at a rate that possibly barely covers the expense consequent upon its movement, while we charge for those of higher grade a rate that will enable us to operate the road and pay a fair rate for the services rendered. This principle of charging according to values is entirely in harmony with the rule of taxation leA'ied for the supjiort of the Government. In fixing the charge for service by railroad companies there are various things that may enter into the determination of the rates, prominently among them the quality of the article carried, and the quantity, the distance moved, the climatic and other difficulties to bo overcome in the transportation, the volume of business, whether the movement in either direction is about equal, and the question of competition. It is to meet competition that freight is carried from New-York to San Francisco for a less rate than from 16 New-1. Ork to Salt Lake City. Tlie rate to Salt Lake is the sum of the regular rates charged by the various railroad companies be¬ tween those two points. The merchant at Salt Lake pays as freight on his goods from New-York to Chicago the same rate, and only the same, as Chicago merchants pays, and from Chicago to Council Blutfs the same, and only the same, as the shipper at Council Bluffs pays. But when freight moves from New-York to San Francisco the railroad companies meet competition hy water, and they are compelled to work for a very low rate, or else accept comparative idleness. The only rates that are absolutely fixed hy the railroad companies are those on that small portion of the business paying the maximum. All others are fixed and influenced by the various circumstances before mentioned and beyond the control of the companies. the influences that determine rates. Your Committee is undoubtedly aware that a very large portion of the coarse, unmanufactured products of the country is moved below the average rate of the cost of transportation, yet, in doing so, nobody is harmed. The railroad companies find the smallest profit better than none, and a rate barely sufficient to pay the expense of movement is better than idleness. Under this rule the country obtains a development, homes for the people are j>ossible at remote distances from markets, and every industry finds encourage¬ ment. Under this s)*stem the whole civilized world has become, for the interchange of commodities, one great neighborhood, and the product of the bees at San Diego, SOO miles south of San Fran¬ cisco, comes to the latter place, is transported across the continent and across the ocean, and competes with the product of the same busy little fellows in Europe. In consequence of the cheap trans¬ portation of food products, the artisan in Europe and America prosecutes his calling in the most remote corners as easily as though living in the centre of the food-producing districts. I shall not, however, attempt to enumerate the benefits and the general pros¬ perity that have grown up in our country under a system of railroad management, which has been heretofore substantially untrameled, and the control of which has been in the hands of those who have created the property. But one thing is certain ; wherever the I'ailroad comjiany has made for itself a dollar, it has created many for others, and its property is at last as much a part of the com¬ monwealth as that of the farmer, towards the increase of whose wealth it has so largely contributed. Its jiroperty is taxed for the benefit of government the same as other private property is taxed ; and it would seem to me pertinent for Judge Black, when he as¬ serts that there is no proprietary interest in the stockholders in this species of property, to intimate that it should no more be taxed than the State-houses, canals and other things belonging to the es¬ tate. Under the substantially unlimited control of their own affairs Avhich the railroad companies have enjoyed, rates of transjiortation have steadily been reduced, until, at present, their general rates are far below what even your Committee would ten years ago have 17 deemed possible. Under tliis management, the coarse, unmanu¬ factured products of the country move at a low rate. The burden of transportation of this class of property usually falls upon indi¬ viduals. Thus, with the farmer in Iowa, the difference of a mill per ton per mile may determine the question of his ability to pro¬ duce corn, but oftentimes this product is moved at rates below tlie average cost of transportation, and the railroad company is only able to do this because it is carrying something else more costly that can easily afford to pay above the average. The higher the maximum rate, the lower is the possible minimum. Given a certain amount to be earned, and a reduction of the maximum necessarily increases the minimum. These minimum rates largely affect indi¬ viduals, and the question of the production and the general develop¬ ment of the country. The maximum chai'ge being upon manufac¬ tured and costly articles is not felt by the producer or by the con¬ sumer, and a reduction of this rate, of great consequence to the car¬ rier and to the producers of cheap unmanufactured materials, and without which a very large portion of the latter commodities could not be produced or moved, would go substantially to the benefit of the middlemen, without making these articles any cheaper to the consumer. It is of a great deal of consequence that the artisan in Massachusetts should have cheap food, but the product of his manu¬ facture would probably not be sold to the consumer at any less cost, even though transported by the carrier for nothing. A pair of shoes, weighing a pound, might ]Day a cent to the carrier for trans¬ portation from Massachusetts to the grain fields west of the Missis¬ sippi, but the merchant or the manufacturer "only would be the gainer. The Avorkman who made the shoes, or the man avIio will AA'ear them, Avill gain nothing. In other words, the great efforts made to reduce rates Avould not, if successful, be of any advantage to the laboring man who makes or the laboring man who consumes. Reductions are sought by those engaged in business, and, if made, would inure almost solely to their benefit ; and for this reason they are seeking to exercise a control over the property of others. TRUE nUSIIíESS PRINCIPLES, THOSE AVHICII ACTUATE RAILROAD MANAGERS. There is not a principle of business exercised by the railroad com¬ panies in the management of their business that is not deemed honorable and which is not in constant practice by the merchant, the manufacturer, the lawyer, the doctor and the farmer. When, in consequence of a short crop in Europe, the European buyer enters our market in competition with the home buyer for the purchase of the Avheat or other product of the farm, the farmer avails himself of this competition and takes two prices as cheerfully as he took one when there ivas no comjietition, and the consumer has to pay accordingly. The merchant sells his goods at different per centages of profit. The lawyer discriminates between his clients according to their ability to pay, often, because he has the time, taking a case at a small rate sooner than to be idle, and charging a larger fee 18 ^vllen he can ohtain it. The benevolent doctor practices his pro¬ fession on similar principles, and often administers his medicines Avithont charge. The manufacturer of steel for the railroads is glad at one time to sell to them for forty dollars per ton, while at another time he charges, because he can get it, eighty dollars, the cost of production being about the same in either case, and that he may enjoy this large protit there is IcA'ied, in the Avay of a tariff, twenty-eight dollars per ton, as tribute, from every consumer of his material. Contemplate, gentlemen, if you please, the application to your own business and that of others of the principles contended for by those who Avould regulate the railroad companies, and see Avhat the result would be. It seems to me that instead of having a Govern¬ ment merely to secure persons in their liberty, their property and in the pursuit of happiness, Ave should have one-half of the people guardians of the other half, to see that the latter managed their business to the satisfaction of the guardian portion of the com¬ munity, for are Ave not all interested in the good management of the time and property of each? Your interrogatory whether the guardianship exercised over banks and insurance companies is bene¬ ficial or not, I do not noAV propose to discuss. In these cases the liability ami ability of the Commissioners to do harm are limited, and the Avorse feature about them is a system of esjAionage. rON'TKOL OF THE PEOPERTT OF OTHERS POOLIXG THE INTERESTS OF THE PATRON AND CARRIER COAIAION. As to the idea suggested by question fii-e, that a Court, whether under the name of Railroad Commissioners or otherivise, be estab¬ lished to determine, upon full inquiry, the questions of justice be- tAveen the carrier and its patron, that is one matter ; but so far as the establishment of a Board of Commissioners to exercise control over the property of others is concerned, that is another matter, and Avhich, after Avhat I have said of the principles of government, I cannot be expected to approA'e. As to question six, I am not informed that competition is mainly supplanted by pooling arrangements. I believe that this pooling reaches only to the through business of a feiv roads. But if the Government is to equitably regulate railroads, the earnings of all Avill have to be pooled or the roads consolidated. Question seven I have answered already, Avherein I stated the principles Avhich may influence charges for railroad services. I am not aAvare that railroad companies have announced the theory of charging " all the traffic Avill bear." It certainly is not one upon AAdiich the Central Pacific Railroad acts, although if such Avere the theory it Avould be only that Avhich you, gentlemen, as individuals, possibly apply to the management of your OAvn business. A rail¬ road company, boAvever, cannot consistently adopt such a theory. Its interests are so intimately connected Avitli the general prosperity of its patrons, that it is compelled to study the interests of the latter ; and there are no people so earnest in their efforts to fix a 19 rate so low as to eticourage the general industries of the country äS railroad managers themselves. It is in pursuance of this wisely directed policy, and not in the exercise of the theory which you indicate, that in the most remote corners of the civilized world exchanges are possible for almost every commodity. Question eight is local in its application, and I therefoi-e pass it by. THE QUESTION OF THE LIMITATION OF EAILKOAD EAENINQS BT LAW. Your ninth question is : "The railroad laws of some of the States limit railroad earnings to ten per cent, upon the actual cost of the construction. Do you think this a just provision, and if so, should not means be taken to prevent evasions of this law by erecting a fictitious basis of cost, through construction companies and other forms of stock-watering ?" This question involves a principle, and I might answer it by asking a question in return. Do you think it riglit to discourage the exercise of a wise sagacity, thrift, industry and economic enterprise by denying to them their just reward ? And if you are to limit the possible profits in the prosecution of a business, are you not attacking all the economies of life that ought to be encouraged, or at least permitted full exercise ? Perhaps, as an encouragement to doubtful enterprises it might be well, if you apply a limit of a certain per centage to be earned, that you should guarantee the amount which you seem to think proper to be obtained by the investor. THE EVIDENCE OF TITLE AND ITS EELATION TO THE PUBLIC, AND TO EAENING CAPACITY. Questions ten and eleven embrace subjects that, I am aware, have engaged some general attention, and for which reason only I suppose they are asked by such intelligent gentlemen as yourselves. I do not suppose that you for one moment think that the certificates of stock issued by the company, which are but the mere title-papers representing an undivided ownership in property, have anything to do with the rates actually charged or obtainable for the service performed. As to issuing an increased number of shares of stock in a corporation, that is a matter, I suppose, that affects only the individual owners. The value of the property or its earning capacity is not affected. How the public, or any one doing business with the corporation, can be injured by the manner in which title to property is evidenced, whether by one share of stock or one thousand, I cannot perceive. And if the railroad companies should pay dividends on stock issued to represent surplus earnings over dividends, that also is a matter, J conceive, pertaining j)urely to the stockholders themselves, and does not affect the aggregate amount to be divided. I suppose that stockholders have as good a right to enjoy the profits of their business and to re-invest in the same business, as the man who loans his money at interest has to enjoy that interest and to loan it again ; or as the merchant or 20 other business person who makes profit has a right to enjoy that profit and use it to extend and increase his business. I might further illustrate this point by taking the cases of two prominent newspapers of Xew-York City—the Herald and the Tribune. The former is owned almost wholly by one man, and the title maybe said to be represented by one" share of stock. The latter is owned by a corporation. Would it make any difference in the earning capacity or value of these properties, whether owner¬ ship were evidenced by one share of stock or ten thousand ? Could they charge any more, or could they be compelled to accept any less on account of .any increase in the amount of stock ? Is it anybody's business but their own whether they choose to have their title repre¬ sented by a few shares or many ? THE EAILEOADS IN POLITICS THE POWEE OF AN OWNEE OVEE HIS PEOPEETY. As to question twelve, "What do you think of the practice of the railroad companies or railroad managers contributing large sums to control elections, or to influence legislation, or for political cam¬ paign funds '?" I answer that I think of that as I do of individuals doing the same thing ; it is neither better nor worse in the one case than in the other. I know, however, that if the railroad companies do these things, it is invariably when they are compelled to do so to resist aggression, and oftentimes threatened confiscation of their property nnder the plea of regulation. You have furnished me with an extract from the report of the United States Senate Committee on Transportation Routes, in which it speaks of the railroad companies exercising " a power that Con¬ gress would not dare to exei'cise." The railroad companies, in this case, do not exercise a greater power over their own jiroperty than is exercised by individual owners of property. What analogy the exercise of a power by Congress in the legitimate discharge of its functions bears to that exercised over his property by the individual, I cannot perceive. The farmer determines the question whether he will plant corn or potatoes in a particular piece of ground, or whether he will do neither ; and that is an exercise of power in re¬ lation to that particular piece of property which Congress would hardly find within the scope of its power. The railroad companies and tlie farmer exercise property rights—nothing more. I repeat, the corporation property i.s contributed by individuals. The State contributes nothing. It is this private property, whether it be labor put into tlie construction of the road, the material com¬ posing it, the rails, the ties, the spikes, the chairs, the rolling stock, the sagacity and intelligence and the general services of individuals in operating and maintaining it, over which it is proposed to exer¬ cise control. BEUULATION COMMUNISM THE ANTAGONISM OF CAPITAL AND LABOE. Question thirteen reads : "Do yon think the uncontrolled power of large railroad corporations and their subsequent violations of 21 publie rights, as developed in late railroad investigations, is re¬ sponsible in any degree for the growing spirit of communism and the antagonism of capital and labor in this country ?" Leave the rail- road industry uncrippled. Leave the control of railroad property as you leave that of other property, and you will never have occa¬ sion to ask such a question. It seems to me that communism does not come from the people who seek to control only their own pro¬ perty, but rather from those who wish not only to control and regu¬ late properties in the creation of which they had no part or owner¬ ship, but also the labor of others bestowed in their management. "What you propose in regard to railroad property is, to my mind, on a par with the principles contended for by the communists ; and the agitator, Keaeney, advocated no doctrine in regard to property more atrocious than the principles embodied in the " Granger cases," and the laws which they sustain. You seem to think it a matter of right and an easy thing to regu¬ late the projjerty of others, and it is only a question in your minds, as to railroad property, whether its regulation shall be arbitrarily by the legislation of the States or of the United States, and that the questions of difference between a railroad company and its pa¬ trons are not judicial matters to be determined like differences be¬ tween other individuals, but are to be settled arbitrarily by some Legislature. Let us see, however, how legislation would regulate these railroads, and whether it is practical. In any scheme of Con¬ gressional legislation the mileage would have to be taken into con¬ sideration in order to be just, allowing to one company the same rates as allowed another for the same service. It would take into consideration the difficulties of operation, the different grades, the various climatic influences, the different cost prices of labor and supplies, the question of the movement of freight in different di¬ rections, the volume of business, local and through, and the dis¬ tance each moved, and so on. Under such a system it would be found that the advantages offered for transportation by the different companies would be unequal. The road having the least number of miles, were a mileage rate adopted, would move freights between two given points at a less rate than the other roads, and upon this basis it would command the entire business. regulation illustrated. If in distance the various roads were equal, the one having the easiest grades would have the advantage ; and so on, through all the various circumstances that probably would be taken into considera¬ tion by a legislative body in making up rates. It would be found that things that are unequal in themselves cannot be made equal by any mere declaration of equality. The topography and the geog¬ raphy of the country are controlling factors in the regulation of rates, and they will remain unchanged. Business would seek the route offering the cheapest and best service between two points. To give a fair distribution of business, so that the different roads might live, would require a minimum as well as a maximum price to 22 be establislied. Here yon would liave an arbitrary system of regu¬ lation that would necessarily deny the }3rivilege of competition, and disregard all those economic principles which should govern and regulate business. To further illustrate some of the • difficulties in the way of arbitrary legislation, take Chicago as a starting point, and the place of destination is the place of consumption. A large portion of the freight that moves from Chicago, eastward, is moving to the European market. There are various water routes and railroad routes of different lengths, with unequal grades, with different rates for labor and supplies, v ith different volumes of business, and with unequal terminal facilities. They are in competition with each other. The shipper has offered to him these various routes to the seaboard. The lakes and the Erie Canal, the lakes and the Welland Canal, and the St. Lawrence—mostly through foreign territory— the canals and Mississippi River to the Gulf of Mexico, together with the rail routes. If it were possible by legislative enactment to equalize these routes so that each might have a fair per cent- age of business, there would still be a failure of complete regula¬ tion, because the shipper himself is not regulated, and he would make his choice, being governed bj'' questions of terminal facilities, of the time required for transportation to market and other inffu- ences. The legislative attempt to regulate upon principles of justice would therefore be utterly frustrated, and it would at last be recognized that the only way to regulate at all would be by adopt¬ ing a system of pooling the earnings of all the competing lines, or by a general consolidation. The local business would be influenced by the untrammeled water routes and by artificial ones under the control of the different States. A EEOADEE FIELD IN WHICH TO VIEW THE ATTEMPT AT EEGULATION. But there is still a broader field in which to view this attempt at regulation. Commerce moves half way around the civilized world, and the man in China looks east and west to sec how he shall reach, at least cost, a desirable place in Europe or America. If he wants to reach Europe, there are the Pacific Ocean, the overland railroad and the Atlantic Ocean. He can send by the Isthmus of Panama, or by Cape Horn, or by the Cajie of Good Hope, or by the Suez Canal ; and yet you would h.ave the Legislature attempt to regulate this business by regulating a single link in one route, and making the price per mile for this class of freight moving in this link from San Francisco to Neiv-York the same as if moved from some interior point. Utterly impracticable all this, and the whole difficulty comes because of the disregard of the principles upon which our govern¬ ment is founded, and the disregard of the rights of individuals and of property, and the assumption of a jirinciplc in the administration of governmental affairs that had its origin in robbery and the idea of the divine right of kings. 23 eaileoad peoeeett should be left to the management of its ownees. From the foregoing, my conclusion is inevitable that railroad property should be left to the management of its owners. The business is legitimate. Any interference by those who do not own it is a burden upon the property, and one which must eventually be borne by the people. If the people want to exercise a control over the road, thej' must do as they have said to the corporation it must do when the State exercises the right of eminent domain ; that is, to pay to the individual owners the full value of whatever is taken for public use. And to this it must come at last, if the control is to be taken from the stockholders without confiscation. There is only one honest way to acquire control of projierty. the constitutional power to regulate. Perhaps, since the wide circulation given to Judge Black's com¬ munication in answer to your questions, I may be pardoned if I refer to some of his statements. He finds authority to regulate charges upon railroads in that clause of the Constitution of the United States giving to Congress the authority to regulate com¬ merce among the several States. Under this reading the power of regulation is a power to regulate the carrier, whether that carrier be a corporation or an individual. The regulation of railroads upon this ground is entirely foreign to that which has heretofore engaged our attention, and the difficulties of regulation upon this theory are practically insurmountable, substantially for the same reasons, with the added difficulty that barriers would be erected to the commerce between individuals living in different States that would not exist between individuals living in the same State. New-York, perhaps, might so regulate the price between Buffalo and New-York City that it would be below that established by Congress for inter-State commerce passing through Pennsylvania and New-Jersey, for instance, to the injury of the Erie road. And yet the road from Buffalo to New-York, following the great natural routes of the Mohawk Valley and the Hudson River, would find this low rate a better compensation than the higher rate established for inter- State commerce passing through Pennsylvania, New-Jersey, Mary¬ land or Delaware. concerning the aid given by government to the pacific railroads. As you have furnished mo with Judge Black's opinion, and as he has deemed it of consequence to refer to the Pacific Railroads, I briefiy answer his allusions to the aid given by the Government. The Judge has fallen into a great error, and one which, I am sure, when he conies to be aware of the facts, he will very much regret. So far from the aid of the Government being sufficient to build the 24 Central Pacific Railroad, I can say, becanse I know Avbereof I speak, that every dollar derived from the loan of the Government credit went into the constrnction of the railroad, together with a much larger amount derived from the other resources of the company, and had the company developed and created no more business than existed when the roads were commenced, we would never have heard of siich wild statements as those of Judge Black, because the roads would long since have passed into the hands of their creditors. It is susceptible of easy demonstration that the work of grading the first 150 miles of the Central Pacific Railroad, from Sacramento eastward, was more than would suflice to grade the road for a single track from the Rocky Mountains to the Hudson River. ïiie pacific eoads and theie obligations to the goveeniient. These Pacific roads have, in their construction and in their operation, redeemed every promise and.every hope that the public entertained. Never have they failed in a single obligation to the Government, and they have done their business at rates far below those which, at their inauguration, were thought possible. They have largely opened up to settlement and development the greater portion of the territory of the United States. They have created vast property interests for others, and in doing so they have found their own benefit. They are prosperous roads, and their stockholders are in possession of a valuable projierty Avhich has been created by their construction, and which had no prior existence. In conclusion, gentlemen, allow me to say, that maximum rates determine the possibilities of minimum rates ; that maximum rates have enabled railroads to develop to the extent that they have the vast re.^ources of the country ; that the railroads, in opening up new countries, adding new industries, conferring additional facili¬ ties for the interchange of commodities, and bringing the buyer and sellei« close together, have furnished and do furnish labor for the common welfare far beyond other agencies. The reduction of rates, under the plea of regulation, is a great blow to the laboring man who produces, and to the laboring man who consumes. In my opinion, any reduction scarcely goes to the benefit of the many, but to that of the comparatively few and comparatively wealthy, who occupy the positions of middlemen between the producer and the consumer. This question of transportation is of an importance that prevents it being settled, excepting upon just and correct principles. Now that the question is before Congress, no doubt it will be thoroughly discussed, and, in the end, wisely settled. Respectfully, etc., Leland Stanford. 25 The Special Committee on Railroad Transportation print, as an indication of public opinion, the following remarks of the gentlemen who participated in the discussion which took place at the meeting of the Chamber of Commerce on the 7th instant, when the foregoing report was submitted for the adoption of the Cham¬ ber : eemaeks of me. ciiaeles smitu, chaiemam of the committee. Me. President : I wish to move the adoption of the i'eport, with the permission to print it for the information of the Chamber. I M'ill only add, sir, that your Committee are of the opinion that the subject of this report should command the intelligent and careful consideration of the Chamber. The previous reports of your Com¬ mittee have found such a unanimous support in this body, that little discussion has been had upon the merits of the important questions involved. We wish now to challenge discussion, and hope the members -will not fail to submit the report herewith offered to a searching investigation and criticism. , eemaeks of me. john f. heney. Me. President : In regard to the letter from Gov. Stanford, President of the Central Pacific Railroad, I think his position is unreasonable, to say the least, when we take into consideration the fact that he has been able to make, personally, from thirty to fifty millions of dollars through contracts and subsidies from the United States Government to build his railroad, (the Central Pacific,) and when it is a notorious fact, that the road was made many miles longer than it need have been in order to get from $50,000 to $75,000 per mile, when it was actually built for less than half what they received from the government. Many people think that the Union and Central Pacific roads run nearly all the way over frightful moun¬ tains, whereas, in truth, they pass for most of the way over level ground and sandy plains. There are Ceockee, Hopkins and half a dozen others, ivho have each made, on an average, at least, $20,000,000, and now the absurd claim is made that the United States Government has no right to regulate the charges or in any way control railroads in the interest of the public, nor compel them to treat all citizens alike under like circumstances, but modestly (?) ask of the Government to be let alone, and be allowed to water their stocks as much as they please, and compel the public to pay charges that will pay large dividends on the watered as well as the honaßde stock. Two years ago the charge from New-York to San Francisco for through freight Avas $4.00 per hundred pounds ; and to their s])cc.ial favorites, $2.00 for the same ; but since the report of the IIepiu rn Committee and the agitation of this Chamber, they charge their favorites $2.50 per hundred pounds, but still charge the general public $4.00 as before. The freight to any point from 300 to 1,500 miles this side of San 26 Francisco is about double the amount paid by the favorites clear through to San Francisco over the same roads. The Union Pacific charge $4.50 to Ogden, and $4.80 to Salt Lake City, which is about 900 miles this side of San Francisco, when, at the same time, they charge only $2.50 through to San Francisco on special contracts ; and the extortion is even greater at the smaller stations. While the people, through Congress, had conceded them the right of eminent domain, and, in addition, given them large grants of money and millions of acres of land, it strikes me that this injustice to great numbers of our citizens is intolerable. We have the same trouble nearer home. Some parties pay more than three times as much as others under similar circumstances. Let this Chamber perform their duty to the public, and dividends on watered stocks can be prevented. There can be no objection to dividends on honest stock, but I, for one, object to any scheme for the acquisition of wealth by dishonest men at the expense of the public. eem4¿rks of h01í. f. a. conkliïtg. Mr. President,—I was a member of the Thirty-seventh Con¬ gress which, in the year 1862, enacted the Charter of the Pacific Railroad Company—perhaps I might more properly say railroad companies. When I recall the history of the transaction, when I take into the account the use which has been made of the vast fran¬ chises of this act of incorporation, as set forth in the able report of the Committee, I cannot regard the communication of which it treats in any other light than as a piece of brazen-faced effrontery. It is no exaggeration to say, that the charter in question was the most monstrous legislative measure ever adopted in this or any other country. For the construction of the road, the Secretary of the Treasury was authorized to issue United States bonds, payable in thirty years after date, at the rate of $16,000 per mile for about 350 miles, $48,000 per mile for '300 miles, to include the sections crossing the Rocky Mountains and Sierra Nevada, and $32,000 per mile for about 850 miles, included between the two ranges named. The right of way to the extent of four hundred feet in width was granted through the public domain, with all the necessary ground for stations, depots, machine shops, side tracks, &c., with the right to take from the adjacent land earth, stone, timber and other ma¬ terials ; and in addition thereto, alternate sections of land were granted for ten miles on each side of the road, the United States agreeing to extinguish the Indian title to all lands falling under the operation of the act. The Company was further authorized and required to construct upon the like terms and conditions a railroad from the western boundary of the State of Iowa to the one hun¬ dredth meridian of longitude, so as to form a connection with its main line ; and also to build a road from Sioux City to connect with the Union Pacific Road by the " nearest and most practicable route." The same aid was granted by the act to the Leavenworth, 27 Pawnee and Western Railroad Company of Kansas, and to tlie Central Pacific Railroad Company of California. The aggregate amount of bonds thus secured to the Pacific Railroads was sixty- four million dollars—a sum nearly, if not quite, sufficient of itself to build the entire road, had the money been honestly and economi¬ cally applied. This mammoth scheme was urged by a powerful and unscrupu¬ lous lobby at a moment when our armies were encountering disaster in Virginia, and when the very life of the nation appeared to be stakedhipou the issue. In these throes of national agony Congress Avas beset by a base and venal crew, eager and determined, rvhether the country survived or perished, to clutch the sixty odd millions of national bonds, and a vast extent of the public domain, Avhich had already been solemnly dedicated to the use of the actual settler. • Opposing these vampires, as I did, to the utmost of my ability, and overborne by their clamor, to say nothing of the corrupt agencies which they employed, I hax-e since carefully watched the develop¬ ment of this scheme. The grants of bonds and lands were j^rodigal beyond all precedent, but they failed to satisfy the piratical creAV, Avho, in violation of faith and in defiance of the Avill of Congress, had seized the charter, with its unparalleled franchises. Accordingly, instead of proceeding to build the road—indeed, before a dollar had been expended for that purpose—they came back to Congress for further grants and concessions. In 1804 they succeeded in procuring a second act, infinitely sur¬ passing the former one in enormity. By the original act, the bonds issued to the Comjjany by the Government Avere declared to be a first mortgage upon the road, and the grant Avas made on the ex¬ press condition that they should be paid by the Company at ma¬ turity. The second act substantially Aviped out any provision for the security of the public. Every interest of the people which was guarded in the first act was sacrificed in the second. The lien of the Government upon the road and its appurtenances Avas subordinated to a prior mortgage, amounting to over sixty million dollars, and the reservation of any part of the bonds until the road should be completed Avas repealed. The five per cent, of the net earnings to apply to the liquidation of the bonds, and the provision for applying the earnings of the road on Government transportation, Avere so altered as to require but one- half to be so applied. All restriction as to the amount of stock Avhich any one man might hold was removed. Last, but not least, the land grant Avas doubled, thus giving the different Pacific roads a territory nearly equal in extent to twice the area of the Briti.sh islands, including England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Guernsey, Jersey, the Isle of Wight and the other islands of the British seas, and equal to the entire area of France, as at present constituted, Avithout Alsace and Loraine. In short, nothing, apparently, that the ingenuity of man could suggest for the benefit of the Company was Avithhehl. Who voted for this amended act it is impossible to ascertain. 28 The record shows that iill attempts to obtain the ayes and noes on its final passage failed utterly. It was notorious that Durant, the Vice-President, charged the Company with the sum of $500,000, as having been expended in Washington to secure the passage of the act, claiming that the money was expended in a confidential way, and declining to furnish any vouchers. One thing is certain, that the men who were most active in carrying through this legislation were the same who subsequently became infamous in connection with the Credit Mobilier iniquity and the other frauds and villanies which have disfigured the more recent annals of Congress. By section sixteen of the charter it is provided, that all the rail¬ road companies named in the act, or any two of them, are authorized to consolidate and form themselves into one company. Under this section, it is probable that one vast corporation will arise, at no dis¬ tant day, wielding a capital greater than was ever before consoli¬ dated on the face of the earth, exercising a power which will etfectuallj' defy all legislative control ; a power that, by making and unmaking Presidents, Senators, Congressmen, Governors, legisla¬ tures and judicial ofiicers of States, will endanger the liberties of the people ; a ]>ower that can and will force every interest in the coun¬ try to pay it tribute as the price of its existence. I come now to a new and still darker phase of this stupendous swindle. Sometime in the year 1859, that notorious mountebank, George Francis Train, obtained from the Legislature of Penn¬ sylvania, a charter for what was called " The Fiscal Agency of the State of Pennsylvania." It was copied substantially from the Credit Mobilier of France, the twin brother of the Credit Foncier, two mammoth schemes born of fraud and folly, which inflicted nntold evil upon the French people, and played no unimportant part in the final overthrow of the lower Empire. About the year 180:3, Thomas C. Dur.vnt and others obtained control of the charter in question, and changed the name to the " The Credit Mobilier of America." It is no exaggeration to say, that the whole job was conceived in sin and brought forth in iniquity, and that its working has been only evil, and that continually. It was a daring conspiracy to de¬ fraud the peojde of the money and lands set apart for the construc¬ tion of the road, and the unsuspecting shareholders of their rights and pro)ierty. It may well be doubted whether its parallel is to be found, for barefaced villainy, in the whole history of human govern¬ ment. Col. II. S. McCojib, one of the Directors of the association, in his sworn testimony before a Committee of Congress, thus de¬ fines its objects : " The idea of the organization was to relieve the directors and shareholders of the Union Pacific Railroad Company from any individual responsibility in building the ro.ad, and enable tin m to share the profits in building the Union Pacific Railroad ; that was the design. It was obtained to cover up anything that might have been done—to relieve individuals from responsibility." The managers of the Union Pacific Railroad Company and of the Credit IVIobilier, with few exceptions, were the same. Thomas C. Durant was the Vice-President of the one and at the same time 29 the President of the other. In the morning he voted as Vice- President of the Railroad Company to give a contract to the Credit Mobilier, and in the afternoon, as President of the Credit Mobilier, he went through the ceremony of formally accepting it. In September, 1864, a contract was executed to one Hoxie for building 100 miles of railroad at the rate of 150,000 a mile, when it was well known that $30,000 a mile was ample for the purpose. This contract was assigned by Hoxie to the Credit Mobilier, as it was expected it would be when made. The assignment was formally accepted on the 11th of October by Dorant, Bushnell and McCosib, Directors, and Gray, a stockholder of the Union Pacific Railroad Company, as trustees of the Credit Mobilier Asso¬ ciation. About this time Cakes Ames became enlisted in the Credit Mobilier Association, for the avowed pui'pose of taking the contract to build the road. The Hoxie contract and its renewals did not make money fast enough to satisfy the cormorants. In the lan¬ guage of Ames, it was now the policy " to enlist public men in it, so as to secure their influence." Accordingly, in the spring of 1867, the capital stock of the. Credit Mobilier was increased fifty per cent., and a present of the first mortgage bonds of the Union Pacific Railroad Company, equal in amount to his subscription, was made to each subsci-iber. It will be remembered, that by the act of 1864 a priority had been given to these bonds over the mortgage held by the United States Government as security for the aid given to build the road. The manner in which they were thrown about on this and on other occasions is worthy of note, as illustra¬ ting the character and purpose of the conspiracy from its inception to its close. In August of that year a contract was entered into between the railroad company and Oakes Ames to build 667 miles of road, at prices ranging from $42,000 to $96,000 per mile, the aggregate amount being $47,000,000. This transaction had been preceded, like that of Durant with Hoxie, by an agreement that Ames should transfer the contract to seven persons, denominated "Trustees," and that the profits should be divided among the shareholders of the Credit Mobilier Association. It was at this juncture that the policy was inaugurated of bringing leading members of Congress into the conspiracy, by putting the stock "where it would do the most good." Having seen in what manner the " swag " was distributed, it may not be amiss to dwell for a few moments upon one of the devices which the conspirators employed in order to swell its amount. In¬ stead of building the road as contemplated by the original act, and as good faith required, from Sioux City to the Pacific Railroad, by the " nearest and most practicable route," so as to form a short and direct line to Lake Superior, they built it from Sioux City, down tlie valley of the ]\Iissouri River, upon the dead-level bottoms of that stream. By this means they obtained from the Government a subsidy of $16,000 a mile, or an aggregate sum of $1,600,000, and a grant of lands at the rate of 12,800 acres per mile, or an aggregate of 30 1,280,000 acres. And they got rich alluvial lands instead of lands in the interior, distant from the river, and comjiaratively worthless. But this is not all. For a distance of sixty-eight miles, after leav¬ ing Sioux City, every mile took them further from the Pacific coast than they were at the end of the preceding mile, so that at the end of the sixty-eight miles they were twenty miles further from the Pacific Ocean than they were at the point whence they started ; and after traversing the entire distance of one hundred miles from Sioux City and joining the Pacific road, they were but six miles nearer the Pacific than at the point of departure. One thing more. A time-honored adage says, when a certain class of persons fall out, honest men get their dues. By the evidence given in the suit of BrsiiNEr.i. vs. Ames and Pomeeoy, which rvas tried in the Supreme Court for this Judicial District on the 4th inst., it appears that this branch road was built, at the rate of one mile for each day, for the sum of 88,000 a mile ; that the Company M'as re-imbursed 82,000 a mile by comity subscriptions ; and, furthermore, that they put out bonds as they extended the road for 810,000 a mile—a six per cent. bond. Many other facts of a like character m-ere disclosed in the course of the trial, but I for¬ bear to trespass longer on the indulgence of the Chamber. By section eighteen of t^ie act it M'as provided, that after the net earnings of the road should exceed ten per cent., exclusive of five per cent, reserved to pay the United States, or in other m'ords, after the net earnings should exceed fifteen per cent, per annum, Congress ■should have the right to fix the rates of fare by law. Could any thing, under all the circumstances, have been more just and proper than this? Nom', m'hat did the conspirators do ? They set to m'ork to render this provision of the laM' nugatory, by sm'elling the nomi¬ nal cost of the road to a fabulous sum, so as to sM'amp the revenues ; and in this, as in every other piece of rascality, the Credit Mobilier played the most conspicuous part. Is it too much to say that a more consummate scheme of plunder, it never entered into the imagination of man to conceive ? Is it too much to ask m'hether the sovereign people of the United St.ates, in Congress assembled, granted this charter to be used as an instrument of robbery and op¬ pression ? Is it too much to ask m'hether the sovereign people of the United States m'ill permit this foul m'rong to go on indefinitely ? The truth is, that this great avenue of trade and travel, destined to be far greater in the future th.an it is at present, has cost its om-ncrs and managers not one dollar. It is the free gift of the Govern¬ ment of the United States. When I refiect upon the m'holesale robberies m'hich it has perpetrated, and is to-day jrerpretrating, m'hen I le.arn from the gentlemen m'ho have just addressed the Chamber, that the author of this letter and several of his associates have each amassed from ten to fifty million dollars by means of their depredations upon the honest labor of the country, I must be permitted to repeat that, for brazen-faced audacity, I know of nothing comparable to the letter in question. In conclusion, Mr. President, I move that 1,000 extra copies of the report be j)rinteJ for the use of the Chamher. 31 REMARKS OP MR. ELLIOTT P. SHEPARÖ, Mr. Presidext : At this meeting the Railway Interest of the eountry seems to he in the condition of the naughty little boy who is brought up to be whipped by each of the school-masters in turn. I do not suppo.se that anything that can be said will influence a single vote, but that this audience has assembled for the express purpose of voting in a p,articular way. However, let me ask, if you think making money in railroads is an evil, and yet set before the public, in the manner mentioned in the Committee's report, the plans which have been the most successful in making the largest profits, will you not be showing others the way to make money in railroad entérprises, and thus increase the evil which the Committee condemn f It seems to me that the Committee's complaint is substantially one against money-making, and that the relief which they really seek could be accomplished only by a statute abolishing enterprise, and another abolishing railroads. Had the railroads of this country been fettered by legislation, we should not now possess our one hundred thousand miles of railroad. Legislation is just as inadequate to control and regulate the details of our expansive and expanding courses of commerce on the rail, as to do so for agriculture, manufactures or any other material national interest. Who ever heard of a law to regulate the width, length, weight, number of threads, color and pu'ice of dry goods ? AVhile it may be freely admitted, that there are some ills in the variegated railroad management of the country, yet they are due to the inherent imperfection of all things human, and do not exceed the proportionate ills to be found in the grocery trade, in banking, in every calling of life. The laivs of trade are found sufScient to regulate other businesses, and correct abuses when any creep in ; and it is to them, and not to special, partial and class legislation, to which you should look. Are the members of this Chamber prepared to say, that money- making is a crime ? Shall their bursting pocket-books rise up to con¬ demn them? Yet the principle which underlies the Committee's report is substantially that " riches are crime." But is it true, that railroads furnish the only examples of rapid accumulations ? I look around mo and see gentlemen who are in the puirsuit of wealth, as grocers, druggists, furriers, dealers in lands, bankers, merchants. Now, if you give a grocery merchant 1X00,000 capital, and ten per centum profits on his sales, a mark considered only fair and reason¬ able in his trade, and, with enterprise, he makes sales of $2,000,000 a year, his annual profits on his capital will be two hundred per cent. And he has actually made this enormous profit on flour, tea, coffee, sugar, beef, the actual necessities of life to the poor, lie has used the franchi.se conferred upon him by law, in the protection of his person and property, process for collection of debts, and cheap transportation by the free and unlimited incorporation of railroads, and has actually robbed the poor man out of a tremendous sum 32 of money ! A law, restricting his profits to six per centum per an¬ num on the capital invested, would have compelled him to sell these necessities of life at a lower rate, and thus benefited the peo¬ ple. But I am not aware that our distinguished grocery member, the Vice-President of the Farmers' League, has ever proposed the es¬ tablishment of a commission to regulate the methods or profits, either of the grocery trade or of agriculture. In the drug line, it has been said, that Mr. Fare began business with a pair of old shoes and a pair of torn breeches, and yet died leaving a fortune of $10,000,000. John Jacob Astoe is said to have commenced with a capital of two Spanish shillings, and to have left $100,000,000. One of your members bought a piece of real estate in this City for a certain price, and leased it for an an¬ nual rent of the total cost of the property. How little A. T. Stewart had to begin with, and how much to end with, illustrates thrift in the dry goods trade. Is the Chamber prepared to be frightened by these and other instances of the prosperity of its members into a trembling and shrieking political economy at vari¬ ance with the laws of trade ? As to the beau-ideal of a grievance, quoted by the Committee from Mr. Daggett's speeech in Congress, I think we should remember that the supposed rate of freight for a car-load of candles, from New- York to Elko, via San Francisco, is very gi'eatly less than it would have been before the railroad ; and, in the next place, that such a shipment has probably never been attempted to be made direct to Elko. The best light that can be gotten out of this car-load of candles shows that they obeyed the laws of trade, and went to San Francisco as a great distributing centre ; and, being there, the Elko merchant could buy and have shipped to him as few boxes of candles as he desired. It was much better for him to pay the additional freight on the smaller quantity, from Elko to San Francisco and back, than to pay a pro rata freight from New-York to Elko, upon the larger quantity, with all the attendant loss of interest, depreciation of price from a glut in the market, and de¬ terioration of the goods whilst he was slowly working them ofE at a sacrifice. Instead of drawing disparaging comparisons between through and way freights, it ought to be remembered that it is the small and reasonable profit on through freights that enables way freights to be made as low as they are. Again, I think the Committee have gone out of their way in flinging an insinuation against the gentleman who has been nominated by two Presidents of the United States as Associate Justice of our Supreme Court. The gentleman's practice has undoubtedly em¬ braced some railroad business, as does that of every prominent lawyer the country over. But he has had much other practice be¬ sides ; and, as a jurist, distinguished by learning, incorruptible integrity, mental capacity and uprightness, the Hon. Stanley Mathem'S is the peer of any one who could be named for the bench. If any one is weak enough to suppose that there was anything degrading in the charge, they may have their fears set at rest 83 by considering that charges were made against two celebrated members of that Court, on the similar ground that they were rail¬ road lawyers, when their appointments were pending ; but that the careers of Mr. Justice Steong and Mr. Justice Beadley show that the moment a lawyer assumes the judicial function, he loses all his interest as an advocate, is governed by the immortal and scientific principles of the law, and not by prejudice or favor ; and no one has ever dreamed of saying that either of those Judges ever failed to hold the scales of justice in railroad matters with firm and equal balance. On the contrary, Mr. Justice Beadlet has led the Court in mak¬ ing the hardest decisions against railroads ; and, at this moment, I recall one, in which to arrive at his decision, he had to overthrow railroad law, as laid down by our own Court of Appeals and by the highest English Coui'ts. I also recall that charges were made against John Jay and Chief Justice Maeshall, and their appointments sought to be defeated. Everything of worth, and every person of positive force, is bound to be attacked ; but the worse the reasons, the more do those advancing them assume the energy of despair. But, to return to the principal subject, Mr. President, I believe that nearly every State of the Union has a general railroad law ; and if it should really be true in the long run that railroading is profitable, new railroads will spring up, and prices, as they have heretofore, will give way to competition. Mr. C. S. Smith : Yes, and then their earnings will be pooled. Mr. Shepaed : If that should prove to be the case, it would undoubtedly be because Mr. Smith, as President of such a Company, should decide that it was for their interest. The laws of trade are universal in their application ; they have led to our railroads, and to their growth, and will regulate their continuance, multiplication and management. There are those here who remember when freights to Buffalo were $36 per ton ; railroads have reduced them to one-tenth that sum, and should be commended and not scolded for so doing. It is absurd to call that a monopoly, which, in a free country, can freely be engaged in by everybody, and requires a total capital of five thousand million dollars, a figure utterly beyond the reach of any combination, conspiracy or monopoly, and engages the time and labor of a quarter million energetic wide awake freemen, and virtu¬ ally supports twenty millions of our people. It would be just as reasonable to quarrel with the magnitude of the agriculture of our country as with that of our railroads. Neither can any amount of legislation, or any number of Com¬ missions, defeat the men of foresight and faith, or deprive their enterprise of the rewards of fame and wealth. 34 remarks op mr. f. b. thürber. Mr. President : I desire to briefly touch upon a few points ad¬ vanced by Mr. Shepard. His allusion to railroad managers being bad little boys, who are periodically brought up in this Chamber and punished, would be amusing, if it wei'e not such a serious bur¬ lesque upon the facts. Any one who has sought legislation in behalf of public interests, or who has had the courage to declare his independence of great corporations, knows their power, and the unrelenting and unscrupulous manner in which it is exercised. Mr. Shepard says things are all right ; let them alone ; why stir this question ; it will only teach others to go and do likewise, if we show how easy it is to make money by such practices. Is there any reason in a proposition to prevent the spread of disease by letting it alone ? Mr. Shepard asks if it is a crime to be rich, and instances Mr. Astor, Mr. Stewart and others. I answer no, when they acquired their wealth as Astor and Stewart did. But when a public fran¬ chise is used to rob the public, it is quite a different matter. Mr. Astor did not accumulate his enormous fortune in a few years by stock-watering and extortions. Mr. Shepard draws the old, old comparison which railroad attor¬ neys have made when seeking to evade their duties, from time im¬ memorial, between the railroad and the butcher, the baker or the grocer. Why if these persons combined to the public detriment they could and ought to be regulated, notwithstanding they do not exist and do business by virtue of a public franchise, as a railroad does ; besides, the one performs a private function, while the lat¬ ter is a common carrier, and its business is of a public nature. His reference to a merchant's profits is equally absurd. Mr. Shepard asks, if, with all their over-charges, railroads are not better than the old turnpike roads. Yes, but should a few men be permitted to monopolize all the advantages of such inventions ? This is not the principle of our patent law, which only protects for a time, after which all the advantages accrue to the public. Mr. Shepard asks if the railroad business is not open and free, and whether the laws of trade and competition will not regulate them. I answer no. By its very nature a railroad is a monopoly. Capital is not readily gathered to build competing lines. The pooling of the trunk lines proves that competition cannot be relied upon for maintaining reasonable rates, and the discriminations in rates by which one man is made very rich and others kept poor, shows that, if we would preserve the principles upon which our Govern¬ ment is founded, there must somewhere be lodged a superior power to protect the people.