SOME COMMENTS ON THE PUBLIC REGULATION AND CONTROL OF RAILWAYS FREDERIC A. DELANO AN ADDRESS DELIVERED BEFORE THE COMMERCIAL CLUB OF HANNIBAL, MO. H E MARCH 25, 1909 SOME COMMENTS ON THE PUBLIC REGU¬ LATION AND CONTROL OF RAILWAYS When one considers the immense importance of rail¬ way transportation to the life of every community— indeed, of very individual—it is not to be wondered at that every one feels privileged to take a hand in the management of the railways. Our whole scheme of civilization to-day is dependent upon good and cheap transportation. The food upon our table is supplied from immense distances, and the same is true of all our daily needs. When transportation was confined solely to short distances, every community was obliged to con¬ tent itself with the articles which were produced within a small radius. But in this country, where transporta¬ tion has been developed to a higher degree of efficiency than anywhere else in the world, we do not think anj'^- thing at all of drawing our means of subsistence from a distance of two to three thousand miles. As a nation, we stand for protection of home industries, but at the same time we furnish the best example of a great free [1] trade experiment. We do not allow any part of the Union a monopoly in any article of production or manufacture, and time and time again since the rail¬ roads were created, an industry well established in one part of the country has been entirely destroyed and replaced by the more successful production in another district. Note.—A number of examples might be cited. The case of the wheat-growing and flour-making industry in the Genesee Valley, which was displaced by the suc¬ cessful cultivation of wheat in various Western states, and eventually the extensive development of the indus¬ try in Minneapolis. Many other cases might be found in manufacturing and other lines. And yet, all this has come about in a little more than two generations. The first steam i-ailroad to be oper¬ ated in the country was opened for business just eighty j'^ears ago this j^ear; and during this period of eighty years, by far the greatest part of the development has been during the last one-third of the period. It is hardly to be wondered at that in a growth so rapid some serious blunders have been made, and that there have been errors of judgment, as well as serious misdemean¬ ors for which railroad officials may be justly censured, indeed, it is no part of my object this evening to pre¬ tend that railroad men are more capable or more honest [2] than their hrethren in other walks of life. It is my de¬ sire, however, to point out some of the difficulties which railroad development has had to contend with, and to indicate very briefly that the remedies which have heen applied from without have frequently had entirely op¬ posite effects from those intended. In my opening remarks, I called attention to the fact that it was perhaps natural that every one should feel that he had a right to take a hand in the manage¬ ment of the railroads, for it is evident that every man, woman, and child in this land comes in contact with the railroads, and in this intimate contact, one cannot fail to note things to criticise. And yet, if it has seemed to you that railroad officiais, both big and little, have chafed under the criticisms and suggestions, I can only ask that you put jmurselves in their places. What one of you would accept with equanimity suggestions as to the conduct of your own business at all comparable with the suggestions and criticisms, not to mention legal restraint and interference, which the railroad officials have to accept daily? What would you say if citizens of jmur community were to begin to inquire the cost of articles you are selling over your counter, and criticising the profit which you are making in some cases ; or find- [3] ing fault because, for some commercial reason which you consider ample, you Avere selling one article at little or no profit, and another article at a very high profit? I am aAvare that any suggestion along this line will he met with the objection, that because railroads are quasi- public undertakings—because they are public service corporations, thej^ must submit. In other AA ords, because railroads ha\^e certain public functions to perform and are given certain privileges in the expropriation of "right of AA'ay," which often means that they must pay twice what any other purchaser AA'Ould pay, thereby they for¬ sake all rights to conduct their own business. As a rail¬ road man, I shall not pretend to say that there is not a distinction between the two cases ; but I do contend that the quasi-public institution theory is frequently worked for more than it is worth, and that it is producing just the condition of affairs AA-hich the public does not want, and is certain to regret in the long run. The reasons for this I AA'ill try to explain as I proceed. In a country groAving as our country is, the demands on transj)ortation increase at a rate which may he con¬ servatively estimated at five per cent a year on the average. (During the years 1897 to 1907, they in¬ creased at nearly double this rate; hut that period was [4] undoubtedly one of exceptional expansion.) This has also been found to he about the ratio of growth in the demands on urban traffic lines. From this it is apparent that if the facilities were to keep pace with the increased demands, there would have to he an expansion of these facilities equal to that growth. Of course, it may he argued that a considerable expansion in business can be taken care of without an expansion in facilities ; and while this is true in certain directions, it is not true as a whole when the more exacting demands in regard to quality of service, the betterment of conditions, etc., are taken into consideration. It is also true that as the country develops and becomes more thickly settled, the very factors which produce the increased business also tend to an appreciation of the values of all property, and make the extension of the railroad facilities more and more costly, particularly in the congested districts, where such extensions are most necessary. If, then, this estimate is a correct one, it means that there should be spent on the railroads of the country in every year a sum aggregating not less than six hundred and fifty millions of dollars, this being five per cent on the esti¬ mated present value of railroad facilities of the country. So vast a sum of money as this can only be raised on [5] credit; and credit, as every one knows, depends wholly on the faith of the community in the ability of the bor¬ rower to repay the loan with interest, or, in other words, to "make good." In the last three years we have seen in this country a most astonishing decline in railroad credit. To understand the reasons for this, one must have been a close observer of the conditions and a close student of the facts. You may permit me to call atten¬ tion to these in a general way. As already explained, the growth of all business from 1897 to 1907, due to a period of unexampled pros- perit}'^ following four years of depression, was quite extraordinary. The traffic of the railroads increased enormously, and in order to inerease their facilities com¬ mensurate with the demands, the railroads themselves were large borrowers of money, spending it chiefly for improvements and betterments. As already pointed out, the growth of the traffic during this period was at a rate something like twice the average or normal rate for a long period of time. Facilities were overtaxed; congestion of traffic occurred; and, worst of all, a dis¬ position to criticise railroads and railroad methods in¬ creased to a point where it showed itself in all sorts of adverse legislation. A well-known railroad official [6] is authority for the statement that during the legislative year of 1906-1907,' over 800 hills affecting railroads were introduced in the eleven states of the Central West in the Federal Congress—all of them seeking to regu¬ late, restrict, define, or lay down the method of railroad management. Of course, this was the climax of a con¬ dition, the hlame for which all sections of the community must share; and I would neither contend that the rail¬ road men were blameless, nor that the feeling of hostility to the railroads was without any justification. Simultaneously with this condition there had been a rapid advance in wages of labor, a rapid advance in the cost of material, and a consequent advance in the cost of transportation, which made it impossible for the railroads, even with the largely increased volume of busi¬ ness, to make anything like a commensurate increase in profits. The creditor, whom we may say was repre¬ sented by the banker and investor in the large trade cen¬ ters, having control of the loanable funds both in this country and abroad, began to take alarm. He saw the storm gathering both in the hostile legislation and in the rapid increase of operating expenses. He began to withhold funds and to make his terms more onerous to the borrower. This had the effect, of course, of check- [7] ing work; and if it had not been for a serious bank failure in New York City, might have been effective in bringing about a gradual depression without a sudden panic. However that may be, for reasons which it is hardly necessary for me to discuss fully here, a sudden break in our prosperity came in October, 1907. I am glad to say that since that time there has been a pretty satis¬ factory restoration of confidence, especially in the West, but the fact remains that business continues to be on a scale far smaller than it was before the panic. Note.—As is well known, these conditions are not confined to this country, but are quite worldwide in their extent. While the rapid railroad, mining, and industrial expansion in this country was one of the important causes, the wars in Africa and Russia and the industrial expansion in Germany were all contributing causes in producing this worldwide condition; the fundamental trouble being that the growth of expenditures has been more rapid than production of wealth. What I am most interested in discussing this evening and pointing out to you is the immense demands on the railroads and the conditions which must exist before these demands can be met. Bear in mind, please, that in any case railroads will be built and developed only by the capital of our people or of such foreigners as may be induced to invest in this country. This is just as [8] true, whether the railroads belong to the Government, or whether they belong to and are operated by individ¬ uals. The only difference is that in the case of Govern¬ ment ownership the Government raises the money for the pnrehase or building of the railroads by a guarantee of the bonds and stock; whereas under private owner¬ ship the investor buys from the railroad company direct, and on its credit only. (A large portion of the invest¬ ment in railroads is indirectly from the masses of people whose funds in the hands of the hanks and insurance companies are invested in railway securities.) Regard¬ less, therefore, whether the ownership of the railroads is public or private, it is evident that public necessity exists for a constant and annual expansion ; that this necessity requires an expenditure of something like six hundred and fifty millions of dollars per year on the average; that this sum of money can only he raised from surplus earnings, or by borrowing. If, by borrowing, that bor¬ rowing must he on the credit of the borrower. Note.—It is often said of borrowing that any one can borrow, hut the terms at which one may borrow de¬ pend wholly on the credit of the borrower. During the last two years there are a good many cases on record where great railway companies have paid as high as nine and ten per cent for the use of money, thus indicat¬ ing very well their dire needs, as well as the extent to - [9] which their ability to pay their debts has been jeopar¬ dized. In the face of this condition of affairs, it is not strange that railroad officials feel a good deal of annoyance and are disposed to he irritated at the disposition of the legis¬ latures, first to reduce their sources of revenue; second, to increase their expenses; third, to demand public im¬ provements. For, bearing in mind what I have said at the beginning, that railway men claim to be no better than the rest of humanity, they do claim to he human, and subject to the same desires and ambitions as the rest of the family. Indeed, I may say that in all my railroad experience, I have never met a railroad official who did not want to spend money on his road as fast as the credit of his company, the ingenuity of his bank¬ ers, and the approval of his directors would permit. This is only reasonable and human. The manager of a single track road wants to make it a double traek line; he wants to get rid of many bad grade crossings; he wants to adopt safety appliances ; he wants to reduce his grades and curvature in order that he may show more efficient operation. Is it to be wondered at that he feels irritated and even peevish when the state legislature reduces passenger fares, or freight rates, to a point at [ 10] which the operation of the road hecomes unprofitable? Is it to be wondered at that he is irritated when the state limits the length of trains; limits his methods of opera¬ tion; requires him to employ three hrakemen when he thinks two are suffieient? Is it to be wondered at, when, on top of all these restrictions and requirements, sundry betterments and improvements are demanded ; and finally, when politicians ride into office or win political preferment by their abuse of railway management and methods, that the patience of the railway man is well- nigh exhausted ? What is the remedy for these conditions? Evidently the remedy which the railroads need more than any other is a rest from the attacks made upon them. Railroad operation and management is complex and involves so many problems and commercial questions that what the railroads need is more thorough study of the questions and less disposition on the part of all communities to jump at conclusions. Mr. Willard, second vice-presi¬ dent of the Burlington Company, covers the point well in a recent address made to a body of the employees of that company at Galeshurg. He says : "In my opinion, railroad business, whieh really means all business, will recover its former proportions when ■ [11] the influences and forces at work during the last two or three years shall have ceased doing the tilings that have contributed so largely towards bringing about the de¬ pression which we all deplore. Perhaps that is not quite clear. I do not mean that laws already made must neces¬ sarily be unmade, that wages raised must be reduced, but we must have a rest. We must be given time and opportunity to work out the new problems that have been forced upon us during the last two years. We must be given a chance to find out what it is going to cost to meet the new requirements, and also how much our revenues are going to be reduced by reduction of rates. Perhaps it will be found that by new methods growing out of the exigencies of the case we will still be able to earn a surplus sufficient to justify the resump¬ tion of extraordinary expenditures as formerly. If not, then, either rates must be advanced or wages be reduced, or improvements must wait or be carried on with bor¬ rowed money, and railroads will be slow to increase their interest-hearing debt under such circumstances." In dealing with questions of this kind there have al¬ ways been two broadly different policies, one the policy of great freedom from restraint, the other of extreme repression. The pendulum of public opinion swings slowly from one extreme to the other. The first policy is not often heard of now; it is usually called by its French name, "Laissez faire," i. e., "Let things alone." This policy was first developed by the economists in re¬ action from the excess of regulation and interference with business which reached its extreme development [ 12] in France during the reign of Louis the Fourteenth and under the primacy of Colbert. Note.—Colbert, in the years 1661-72 developed the industries of France in a most astonishing way. Later, under a system of well meant paternalism all sorts of governmental offices and commissions were created to regulate these industries and protect the public; but soon this system of over-regulation reached a point where it broke down of its own weight, and a sharp reaction to the "Laissez faire" doctrine took place. While this "Let things alone" policy is no longer popular, it might be well to point out the logic of it when applied to present day conditions in respect to railroads. The theory of the policy is that objectionable economic conditions have within themselves the eleiuents of their own cure. In other words, that if things are left alone, natural causes will produce a remedy. Thus, if railroads are built and prove very profitable, other railroads will be built in competition, and competition will soon divide and diminish profits. If, on the other hand, railroad building proves to be unprofitable, if state interference and hostile legislation tend to dimin¬ ish profits below a reasonable point, railroad building and development will cease. Whether there is anything in this doctrine or not, it is, as I have already said, an unpopular one to-day, for the [13] reason that communities are much too impatient to get results. People who helieve in temperanee are unwilling to wait for the slow process of education and the spread of morality to produce the desired results, hut insist that temperate hahits must he brought about by a law which will compel total abstinence. In the same way, if the community thinks the rates they are charged are too high, they don't investigate the matter, hut they straightway get legislation com¬ pelling the railroads to reduce rates, apparently entirely overlooking the economic results which will certainly flow from such a course. In an undertaking where a large portion of the capi¬ tal invested is in a fixed form—structures, buildings, etc.—capital once invested cannot he easily withdrawn. This is more true of railroad investment than of any other form of endeavor, and so the public are inclined to jump at the conclusion that because capital has been invested in railroads, and the railroads cannot he taken away, and trains must be operated, they can with im¬ punity "put on the screws." Without commenting on. the morality of such a point of view, it should he borne in mind that the railroad is not a completed thing; that even some of our most perfect trunk lines are constantly [14] undergoing change. Thus, one of the country's greatest railways is said to have been relocated in some stretches of its line four different times, in order to get better gradients, or alignment; for, after all, the final economic location of a railroad is subject to change until it reaches perfection-—the only perfect railroad being the railroad which is both level and straight. The amount which can he economically spent on a railroad and still produce return on the expenditure depends, first, on the rate of interest paid for the money, and, secondly, on the volume of the traffic involved. A very trifling saving per ton of freight or per passenger handled, spread over a sufficient volume of business, will warrant the expen¬ diture of very large amounts. These instances are cited simply to show that a con¬ stant supply of money is needed for the improvement and development of existing railroads, to say nothing of making extensions or building railroads into new coun¬ try. There is not a railroad man who could not cite from his own experience dozens of instances where the expenditure of hundreds of thousands, and even mil¬ lions of dollars would, in his opinion, be justified by reason of the economies produced, and yet, in such times as these, it is with most railroads impossible to raise [15] money. If this is true of improvements and better¬ ments which increase the earning capacity, or reduce the cost of doing business to an extent sufficient to fully warrant them, how much more is it true of those forms of expenditures in which the public is vitally interested; for example, a better and safer track; better and more commodious stations; better and faster trains; better car equipment; the abolition of grade crossings; and many other things which I might mention that are neces¬ sary or very desirable, but do not produce any additional revenue. The reverse of the policy which permits things to work out their own salvation is the policy of regulation which is so much in vogue to-day. Its theory is that all functions in which the public are generally interested must be either owned or subject to control by the state; that is, the community at large. I shall certainly not take the position that this is either an unfair or unwork¬ able theory; but I shall endeavor to point out some of the difficulties which have arisen under its operation. To begin with, it is only human nature that a man or group of men who put their money into an enter¬ prise should desire the full control of it. In ordinary manufacturing or commercial undertakings every man [ 16] has his own notions about the conduct of his business, and docs not want to be interfered with, or dictated to by people who knew less about his business than he does himself. Now, while it may he argued in the ease of public service corporations that the people who have put their money into these enterprises, have done it with their eyes open and with full knowledge that they were subject to Governmental regulation and control, there is nothing in that argument which makes public inter¬ ference any more palatable to the man or group of men who are interfered with. The fact that the ordinary merchant does not like to he dictated to cannot be al¬ tered, even if you convince him that the law compels him to submit to that dictation. If the conduct of rail¬ roads involves as many intricate and complex questions as the conduct of other business, then jmu will have to admit from the analogy of your own experience that interference and dictation, especially when it comes from those less familiar, less acquainted with the problems, is, to say the least, difficult to hear and very annoying. There is a movement on foot in some of our states for legislatures to delegate their authority in the super¬ vision and conduct of public service corporations to specially created commissions. Theoretically, at least, [ 17] this appears to be a movement in the right direction; that is, it shifts the control from a body so large that it is difficult to clearly establish responsibility to a small body on which responsibility can be fixed and of which a fair degree of expert knowledge can be expected. On the other hand, the plan is still experimental and is by no means a proved success. It is opposed to the basic principle of democracy which, as I understand it, maintains that the average common sense of a large body will produce better results in the long run, than the special knowledge of a small body of men. It sometimes happens that even a well selected com¬ mission is not given a fair chance—the unreasonable is expected of it. Public opinion sometimes forces action when it should permit deliberation and careful study. It is unfair to expect a group of three, five, or seven men, who have not been trained to transportation problems, to grasp, within a few months, subjects which are consid¬ ered intricate by men especially trained by long experi¬ ence. And yet, that is what many of our states demand. Note.—In the case of the Interstate Commerce Commission we have a notable example of an unreason¬ able requirement by the public. Here is a group of men who are required to exercise inquisitorial, adminstrative, and judicial functions. We might as reasonably expect [18] a court to act as prosecuting attorney, listen to the evi¬ dence, decide the case, and administer the law. That dealing with these problems requires special knowledge and training can hardly be contradieted by any one when one reflects on the intricacies of other business. Is there a single vocation in life which is not more complex to-day than that same vocation was twen¬ ty-five or fifty years ago? Is there a single voeation, profession, commercial or manufacturing undertaking whieh does not demand a greater training and a greater degree of specializing to-day than it demanded twenty- five or fifty years ago? I feel that I may safely say there is not, and, frndher, that the railroad is no ex¬ ception. A year or more ago when the railroads were smarting severely under the heavy depression in business, and concerted eflforts were under consideration to advance rates of freight as preferable to any scheme of reducing wages, the railroad officials of the country, in spite of their own convictions as to the justification for an ad¬ vance, concluded to "go slow" and not make advances. Repeatedly, I have been asked by prominent manufac¬ turers of railway supplies, "Why don't you advance your rates? This is the only way you eau improve your [19] credit, increase your purchasing power, and enable you to again come into the market and buy our goods?" INIy answer has been, just as that of many others, that it was not feasible to advanee rates generally until the community at large were convinced of the justice of the proposition. Not until some headway was made against the hostility, which, rightly or wrongly, exists against the railroads, ean we get an advance in our rates which will he remunerative and which will again restore the purchasing power of the railroads. Y ou may argue, as many have argued, that this panic started in Wall Street, and that it existed nowhere else— and, indeed, it is fortunate for the country that our im¬ mense agricultural sections have felt the panic and re¬ cession so very little—hut if you do not know what the panic has been, I would advise jmu to go into the manu¬ facturing sections of the country, to any of our large cities or the centers of the iron, coal, and coke industry. It is true that these industries have been talking brave, just as. many railroads have been talking brave. In fact, it often happens that the officers of a railroad cor¬ poration are in the same sort of position as the officers of a bank, when they fear a "run oji the hank." It won't do to admit to the public that your credit is weak, that [20] you are well-nigh insolvent, that you are not earning the interest on your dehts. You may at that very minute he trying to borrow money to tide you over the bad period. So it happens that the railroad man must do the same thing that the banker or the manufacturer or the merchant does when he is put in a similar position. He puts a brave face on the situation. He makes light of his troubles. He urges that things are not so bad as they might he. He expects an improvement shortly, and says in fact all that he needs is a little temporary assistance. Happily, that critical period is past, and we can now look at some of these questions squarely, and without any dissimulation. Many people who are despondent over the situation will tell you that there is a general spread of socialistic ideas, and that it is this which is causing the trouble. Personally I am not alarmed on this score, because I have the utmost faith in the sound common sense of the American people; and while I realize that a little education is often a dangerous thing, and leads men to very ill-judged and mischievous con¬ clusions, I feel sure that as the public becomes more familiar with these difficult problems, they will become more and more conservative and cautious. Socialism is [21] a dreaded word with many people; but, after all, it is a word which is so difficult to define, that scarcely two people understand the same thing hy it. To some men it is synom^mous with anarchy; to others it means state ownership, to others again, comniunisvi; some men pic¬ ture it as a kind of Utopia, the ideal of all unselfishness, but admittedly well-nigh incompatible with human nature as it exists about us. These isms do not discour¬ age me, because I believe that human nature, while much the same the world over, is gradually changing for the better; that our general education and our freedom of discussion are helping all the time to bring about a better understanding and a better condition of affairs. Along the lines of discussion of these questions. Government ownership is sometimes suggested. Per¬ sonally, I would oppose Government ownership, not for the effect it would have on the railroads, but on account of the results to the Government and the com¬ munity. I have no fear that Government ownership will be brought about from below, but I have much greater dread that it may he brought about from above. In other words, there is much less danger that the general public will demand Government ownership of railroads and the taking over of railroad property by [22] the Federal Government, than there is that the represen¬ tative and large owners of railroad property will become so tired of petty annoyances, interference, control of profits, etc., that they will be the ones to seek to bring it about. But there is no immediate danger of this; it will not come within your lifetime or mine. In this connection, one thing often lost sight of is that when the Government undertakes control of any large public function, there is no supeiwision or control over that operation. The Government cannot success¬ fully supervise itself. Theoretically, the supervision is in the whole people, but the difficulty then is that "what is eveiybody's business is nobody's business." On the other hand, under private ownership of public utilities, there can be public supervision, criticism, and finally control, a degree of control which is practically not possi¬ ble in the case of any governmental depai'tment. Note.—It is to be remarked in this connection that in no municipal state or federal operation in this country have we the degree of publicity in reports of revenue, cost of service or profits that are commonly given vol¬ untarily by corporations to their stockholders or the public. Also that in private undertakings there is necessarily a relation between income and outgo, where¬ as, in our country, in all public finances, we have as yet created nothing effective in this direction. We go mer- [23] rily on spending money without knowing where the revenue is coming from, and when we get "hard up" we sell bonds or increase taxes. This period of adolescent finance cannot continue indefinitely, hut, in the mean¬ time, our people are failing to learn the most important lesson of political economy—a lesson which, unless learned, must sooner or later get us into serious trouble. From the standpoint of the public, then, it seems to me that private ownership and public supervision and control is the ideal method unless it is pushed to an extreme where it necessarily breaks down. In other words, it can he pushed to the extreme where there is no incentive or inducement for private capital to enter; where even though the capital already invested may not he withdrawn, no new capital will come in; expansion and development ceases. We are nearer this condition of affairs in this country than, the railroad men care to admit; hut actions speak louder than words, and you can see the results of diminished capital investment in railway enterprises, in the diminished purchasing of material and the cessation of improvements and better¬ ments. The railroad men of the country would like to see an end to this condition of affairs, hut I for one say it would he better that the lesson so dearly bought should he learned and comprehended by all. I doubt very much if the country as a whole can he prosperous [24] with the greatest single industrj^ on starvation rations. There never was a time when there was a greater need for thorough study—courageous, patient, good-tem¬ pered study of such great public questions. Better the Frenchman's "Laissez faire" policy than the "pin prick¬ ing" policy, the thoughtless tinkering with legislation, of which we have all seen so much. As has been said already, the worst of this storm has passed, and even though conditions are still de¬ pressed, it is better that the railroads should be patient than that they should adopt harsh or retaliatory tactics. For this, if for no other reason, it would be better that railroads should continue to live on a starvation basis and from band to mouth, than that any summary action, however justified it may be, should be taken. The rail¬ roads of the country are suffering—and suffering sorely, there is n.o doubt about it ; but tbey can afford to suffer if by so doing, the community as a whole is learning the lesson which should be learned by such an experience. As a nation, we have had a sharp spell of sickness, and it would be dangerous for us to assume that because we feel better we have entirel}^ recovered our strength. Let us thoroughly understand the cause of the malady, and after the disease has run its course we will be [25] ourselves again, immune, I hope forever, from tliis par¬ ticular complaint. The great state of Missouri—one of the greatest in the Union in area and natural resources—is surely not ready to say that it invites no more capital for invest¬ ment in railroad improvements, expansion and exten¬ sion; and even if not a single mile of railroad were needed in this state to develop unoccupied areas, there is scarcely a mile of existing trackage in which some sort of hetterment or improvement is not desired. How shall the capital to make these improvements be ob¬ tained? Certainly in one way, and one way only; that is, by making the enterprise reasonably profitable. And you will pardon me for suggesting it, for I cannot help thinking it is the wise course, that a public service com¬ mission, instead of busying itself solely in defining the duties which this road or that should perform and the improvements which should he made, might very prop¬ erly study the sources of revenue of the railroads, ascer¬ tain why it was that the roads were not more profitable, co-operate with the management in effecting economies or increasing earnings, with the certainty that every dollar profitably invested in the railroads will attract additional dollars to the state. I have not heard of any [26] State Commission that has gone about its work in this way, and perhaps public opinion has not arrived at the point where a commission so minded would have public support ; but certainly, a commission could safely assume this attitude, for it would he in a position to use its regulative power at any time in protection of public interests if it saw the railroads gathering in excessive profits and failing to do their full duty to the public. My own experience in the study of railroads of the coun¬ try convinces me that even the richest railroads are pay¬ ing only moderate returns on the capital actually invested and are making large expenditures for better¬ ments and improvements out of funds which might rightfully have been applied to dividends. Finally, let me remind you that the capital invested in railroads was invested with the hope of return—and while neither state nor Federal Government gave any guarantee of a return, neither did they place a limitation on it. Only in very recent years has any court sug¬ gested that the return should be limited. In other words, it now appears that while the bona fide investor here or abroad stood to lose all the money he put in (and cases are very numerous where he did lose all) he now finds the trend of recent decisions limiting the return to say [ 27 ] 6%. Remembering that the theory underlying the in¬ vestment of capital is that the possible reward or return on the investment must increase about in proportion to the hazard incurred, does any one suppose that our rail¬ ways, especially in the far West, could have been built without any guarantee, if there had been an intimation that 6% was to be the limit of profit on the most suc¬ cessful operations? The answer to these questions I can safely leave to you, confident as I am of your fair¬ ness, and confident, too, that all we need is a more thor¬ ough knowledge of conditions and less disposition to cure every ill with a new law. [28]