10, U7G. GIass_I^il Rnok .g. 5R7 7t V Jefferson Davis —Amnesty. N THE House of -Representatives, Monday, January 10, 1876. ""^J^ The House having under consideration the bill [H. R. 214] to remove the disabilities imposed bv the third sectiou of the fourteenth article of the Amendment of the Con- Btitution of the United States, the pending question being on the motion of Mr. Blaine to reconsider the motion by which the bill was repealed. ^- MR. BLAINI ^i Mr. Speaker, I rise to a privileged question. I move to reconsider tbe vote which has just been declared. I pro- pose to debate that motion, and now give notice that if the motion to reconsider is agreed to it is my intention to otter the amendment which has been read several times. I will not delay the House to have it read again. EVERY TIME THE QUESTION OF AMNESTY has been brought before the House by a gentleman on tliat side for the last two Con- gresses, it has been done with a certain flourish of magnanimity which is an impu- tation on iliis side of the Hou.iiity, SPEECH OF HON. J. 0. BLAIWE. It ha» been variously estimated that this sectiou at the time of its original, iiisertiou in the Constitution included somewhere from fourteen to thirty thousand persons ; as nearly as I can gather together the facts of tliocase.it included ahout eighte«u thousand men in the South. It let go every man of the hiiudreds of thousands — or milli(>ns if you please— who had been engaged in the attempt to destroy tfeis Government, and only held those under disability who in addition to revolting had violated a special and peculiar and personal oath to support the Constitu- tion of the United Stated. It was limited to that. Well, that disability was hardly placed upon the South until we began in this hall and in the other wing of the Capitol, when tliere were more than two-thirds Republicans In both branches, to remit it, and the very first bill took that disability otf from 1,578 citizens of the Sc)uth ; and the next bill took it otf' from 3,5l.Hi gentlemen — by wholesale. Many of the gentlemen on this floor ^ame in for grace and amnesty in those two bills. After these bills specifying individuals had passed, and others, of smaller numbers, which I will not recount, the Congress of the United States in 1872, by two-thirds of both branches, still being two-thirJ,s Republican, passed this general law : That all political disabilities imposed by the tliird section of the fourtcenlh article of anienclnienart'ofmvconelnMonsarest,ated not Cwho^e A portion of my conclnBions Xiu" "auo my recommenUatioas, are not -^■^H^^(:^li^c^rl,V;^u^^^gIi:alreportr- \ urriiiq is ,nv ori^'inal report. That fs he imd there the extract as far as It ^f/'^'^Oid von make this extract yourself T" ^•he comSee seem to suspect t\.Ht he was the man that simply m?'^« * ® ^^J^w here brou"-ht it before the committee. Mow, ncie JMV^.u'not.^ My original r;eport is in the ^Aud'^lmf committee of Congress to which th'e'ent. 'man defers ar.solntely tells us that VlUsHnntilated report was the o"« 'ntroduce I In evidence iiP^i-Jst this man VV uz, and It is ^''^o"rT^rn7to'ca?."aU^nti4urrounded by these depressing agents Government depressed then .^^'^ '^f'^,' >','■( f^Pand ing spirits, and '^esti'oyed thos.. nientiu an i niSr./; energies so necessa^jo^s^^ f,^^: a^adi^:pi::;l;^n;n^ mental .lepre^ sion an.l distress, '{tt^n'l'^^VJh. 'ie ire leU tl for an apparently l"?P«lf^%\fi'^,testruclion of ^^^ ^^IL^^""^ '^^^^^ Of ac. tual disease." »»»«♦»* Ifnder military 'lespotism; cim«>;«^,X" of under duress; and MUite a huge numue^ Confederates were seeking to make lavui w°th the powers of the ^^or'.'Vnf all tl.t 'wit'- during tliose three months, wUli all the wu nesses they could bring to Wash ngton "Ol or,e single man ever mentioned the name oi Ml^ Davis in connection with a single atiocity at Andersonville or «l>^.ewhere ^,,,,,ect ■wr.vir «ir there is a witness on this snnjei-L. sB£ss3r=i!f^:;^|So?r^r ment to the country, and It has never mmimm ?onv?Ue his sentence would be. eoniimited The'^messenger vequosted me to ^J^fomi Wue ^i^^^ex^ml^r^l^'^.^I^i^a^-P^-^-" ^,^1^ ^I^'rslmply a^d quieUy i^ied: 1 'ine as'to wilat was done ^t And^^^ >^- J. ' would not become a traitor a^'","^^ anybody el«e even to save my life! ^1-, wViat Wirz, ^^thin two .hours of his ^ x renerson Davis to Andersonville ^ "f ' *^ With these atrocities b J inference. ^ ^ , SPEECH Ob' HON. BilNJAMIN H. HlLL. of tlie Confederat«i Congress on that subject; It wa.H very simple, and directed: "The nitions fumitshed prisoners fiC war shall hf the same lu ipiaiitity and quality as tliose furnislied to enlisted men in tlie ariuy of tlie Cout'ederacy.'' Tliat was the jaw; that was the law Mr. Davis aj)i)rovt;d, and that wastlie law that he, so far as Ills agency was concerned, executed. Tlie gentleman in his siieech has gone so far as lo say that Mr. Liavis iiui-posely sent Gen- eral Wiiulcrto Andersoiiville to organize a den or Iioitois and kill Federal soldiers. 1 do not (J note exactly his langnage, Imt I know it is ''to organize a den of horroi's;"' hut lam yiire I eahiiot use any laiiftua^vs more hitter tliaii the gentleman liseil liimself. 1'lierefore the next thing I will read is the order given for tiK' jmrpose of locating this prison at An- ciersonville, or wherever it should he properly located. The oflieinl order for the location of tlie slocl,;ale enjoins that it should he in a "health \' locality, \\itli plenty of tiure water, with a r'linaing stream, and, if possilile, with shade trees, and in tlie immediate neiglihor- IkxxI oi grisi and saw mills." That does not jook like the organization of a den of horrors to comniil murder. Tliat was the ollleial or- der. That was not all. These prisoners at Aiiderr.'OnviIle were not only allowed the rations nieasure< in the iield received. Federal ])rison- ers hud iierinission to buy whatever else tliey jjleasfd, and the Confederates gave their friemlsat lionie permission to furnish them the means to do so. And \'e1. Mr. Speaker, it jslriiethat, in siiite of all these advantages enjoyed by these prisoners, there were lior- rors, and" grt^at horrors, at Andersonville. What w ere the causes of those liorrors? The thsi w as want of medicdne. » * * Now, how was it that medicines and other essential supplies could not be obtained? Un- fortunately they were not in the Confederacy. The Federal Government made medicine coii- trahand of war. The Feileral Government made clothing con- traband of war. It sent down its armies and they burned up the faetoiMrs of the South wherever they could lind them, for the ex- piess purpose of preventing the Confederates from (urnishing clothes to their soldiers, and the Federal prisoners of eoui-seshareil this de- privation of comfortable clothing. It was the \var policy of the Federal Government to make sii|)i>lies scarce. * * * Now, then, sir, wliatevei- horrors existed at AndeisouviIli\ not one of them could be at- tnibuted loa single act of legislation of the Confederate (i!o\'eriiment. or to a single order of the Confederate Cxovernment, Ijut every honor of Ainlersonville grcnv out of the neces- sities of the occasion, which iiecessiti(^s were cast upon the (Jonfetleraey by the war policy of the other side. The gen"tlenian from iVIaine said that no Con fi'derate prisoner was ever iiialtreated in the North. And when my frienil answered from his seat "a thousand witnesses to the cond'aryin Georgia aloi\e," the gentle- man from Maine joined issue, but as usual pro- dne-'d no test itiiony in su |iport of his Issue. 1 tiiiiik the gentlenran from .Maine is tolie ex- cused. For ten years unfortunately he and his hav(^ been n^viling the people wlio were not allo\\ed tocome liere to meet the reviling. Now, sir, we are face to face, and when you make u charge you must bring ycmr proof. Thfc tluie lias passed wheu the couutry can ac- cept the impudence of assertion for the force of argument, or recklessness of statement for the truth of history. Now, sir, 1 do notVlsh to unfolil the chapter on the other siile. I an'ian American. Ihonor my country, and my whole country, and it could be no pleasure "to me to bring forward proof that any portion of my countrymen have been guilty of willful mur(ler or ofcruel treatment to poor manacled prisoners. Nor will I make any sucli charge. Tiiese horrors are inseparable, many of them and most of them, from a state of war. I hold in my hand a letter written by one who was a surgeon at the prison at Flmira, and he says: "The winter of 1*)4. 1S(!5, was "an unusually severe anl(; movement of one would cause bis nciiihbor to ci-y out in an agony of pain. The continent and malignant type )iievail(Hl to such an extent and of sneh a nature that the body would freixuenlly be found one continuous seal). "The diet and other allowances by the Gov- ernment for the use of the prisoners wei'e am- ple, yet the poor unfortunates were allowed to starve." Now, sir,the Confederate regulations author- izetl ample provision for Federal prisoners, the same that was inad(! for Confederate sol- diers, and you charge that Mr. Davis is respon- sible for not ha\ing those allowances hon- estly suiiplied. The United States made pro- vision for Confederates jirisoners, so far as ra- tions were concerned, for feeding those in Federal hands; and yet ^\ hat says the sur- geon? "They were allowed to starve." "I!ut 'why?' is a cfnery which 1 will allorisoners. iience it is readily to be seen that the range of mortality was "no less at Elmira tlmu at An- dersouville." gpy.ficfi (3f fioM. lmjamin h. mill. j'Mr. ri,AT'r AVili llKjyciiileman allow iiio to iiili^i riipt iiim a iiioiuent toask him where be fi(!ts tliat statement? ]\fr. UILL. It iM the statement of a Federal surgeon publislied in tlie New York ITorW. Mr. I'l.ATT. I desire to say that 1 live within tliirty-six miles of Klmira, and that those stateuients are unqualifledlj- false. Mr. HILL. Yos, and I suppose if one rose tVoin the dead the gentleman would not be- lieve him. Mr. I'LATT. Does the gentleman say that those statements are true? Mr. IHLL. Ceitainly I do not say that they are true, Imt I do say that I believe tlie state- ment ol* the snrgeoii in charge before that of a politician thirty-sixmilesaway. ♦ * * Now I call the attention of gtMitlenien to this fact, that the report of Mr. Stanton, the Secretary of War— you will believe him, will you not? — on the iOth of July, 18(;i) — send to the Library and get it— exhibits the fact that of the Fed- eral prisoners in Confederate hands during the war only 2-2,.57() died, while of the Confederate prisoners in Federal hands 2(!,436 died. And Surgeon-General IJarnos reports, in an otticial reixirt — 1 suppose you will uelieve him — that, in round numbers, the Confederate prisoners ill Federal hands amounteil to 'iiO.OUO, while the Federal prisoners in Confederate hands amounted to 270,IX>0. Out of the 270.000 in Confederate hands 22- 000 died, while of the 220,000 Confed erates in Federal hands over 2(>,000 died. The ratio is this: More than 12 per cent, of the Confederates in Federal hands died, and less than 9 i)er cent, of the Federals in Con- federate hands died. ^ hat is the logic of these facts according to the gentleman from Maine? 1 scorn to charge murder upon tlie officials of northern prisons, as the gentleman has done upon Confederate prison officials. 1 labor to demonsl rate that such miseries are inevitable in prison life, no matter how hu- mane the regulations. ♦ #*#»•♦«♦» But the great question is behind. Every American, North or South, must lament that our country has ever im])eachofl its civiliza- tion by such an exhibition of horrors on any side, and I speak of these thino;s Avith no de- gree of pleasure. God knows if I could hide them from the view of the world I would gladly do it. i'.nt the greatquestiou is, at last, who was responsilile for this state of things? And that is really the only material question with which statesmen now shoulfl deal. Sir, it is well known that, when the war opened, at first the authorities of the United States determined that tliey would not exchange prisoners. The first" prisoners captured by the Federal forces were the crew of the Sav- annah, and they were put in chains and sen- tenced to be executed. Jefferson Davis liear- ingofthis, comnlunicated through the lines and the Confederates having meanwhile also captured prisoners, he threatenefl retaliation in ease those men sutfered, and the sentences avainst the crew of the Savannah were not executed. Subsequently ourfriends fromthis way, * * » insisted tiiat there should be a cartel for the exchange of prisoners. In 18(i2 that (!art(d was agree^l upon. In substance and briefly it was that there should be an ex- change of niau for man and officer for officer, and whichever held an excess at the time of exehangc should iiarole the excess. This worked" very w ell until 1803. ♦ »**♦*»♦*»» In lS63tbis cartel was interrupted; the Fed- eral iiutlioriti(;s refused to eonlinne the ex- change. * » » * This I say frankly to the gentlemen on the other side, was in truth one of the severest blows stricken at the Con- federacy, this refusal to exchange prisoners In 1803 and continued through 1864. The Confederates made every effort to renew the cartel. Among other things, on the 2d of July, 18fi:5, the Vice-President of the Confed- eracy, the gentleman to whom the gentleman from Maine, (Mr. Ulaink,) alluded the other day in so complimentary terms, Mr. Alexander H. "Stephens, was absolutely conimissioned i)y President Davis to cross the lines and come to Washington to consult with the Federal au- thorities, with a broad commission to agree upon any cartel satisfactory to the other side for the e"xchange of prisoners. Mr. Davis said to him, "Y'our mission is simplx' one of hu- manity, and has no politieal aspect." Mr. Stephens undertook that work. What was the result? I wish to be careful, and 1 will state this exactly correctly. Here is bis letter: CONFEDEKATK STATES StBA.MEII TORI'UDO, In James Ilivtsr, July -1, h^OS. Str: As military commissioner, 1 am the hearer of a comniunicatlon in writing from Jetlerson Davis, Comman-e of deliver- ing the comni'unieation in pi'i-son and con- ferring upon the subject to whieh it relates. I desire to proceed to Washington in the steamer Torpedo, conimandelisbed, shall be permitted to take charge of their health and comfort. I also propos<' that these surgeousshallactascommissaries, with power to i-eceive and distribute such conti ibntions of money, food, clothing, and medicines, as may lie forwarded for the reliid" of the i»rison- ers. I further propose that these surgeons shall be selected bv their own Goveiniiient, and that they shall have full liberty, at any and all times, through the agiMils of exchange, to make reports, not only of their own acts, but of any matters relating to the welfare of the i)risoners, Uespectfully, your obedient servant, liOHKltT OVILD, Atrent of Exchange. Major General E. A. HiTcncocK, Agent of Exchange. 10 Si»jbSich op son. beKjamin h. hill. The SPEAKER. TheUourof thegeutleman lias oxplrert, Mr. JtANDALL. Imove tliegcntleinanfrom Gcoi-fjia Vie allowed to proceed. » » * » * There was no objection. Mr. BLAINE. I believe the jfentlemaii from Georgia [Mr. Hill] wa.s a menilier of the Con- federate Senate. I And in a historical book of gome authenticity of character that in the Confederate Congress, Senator Hill, of Geor- gia, introduced the following resolution, relat- lug to prisoners Mr. HILL. Vou are putting me on trial now, are yon ? Go ahead. Mr. IJLAINE. This is the resolution : "That every rier.son pretending to he a sol- dier or ottlcer of the United States who shall be capinred on the soil of the Confederate States after the 1st day of January, lSfi3, shall be presumed to have entei-ed the territory of the Con fcflerate States with tlie intent to in- cite insurrection and abet murder: and, un- ie.ss satisfactoi-y proof be. adduei^d to the con- trary before the military court before which the trial shall be had, shall surfer death. Thi.s section .sjliall continue in force -until the proc- lamation issued by Abraham Lincoln, dated at Washington on the '2-2d day of Septemlwr, 186-2, shall be rescinded, ami the policy tlierein announced shall bo abainloned, and no lon- ger." 7r-»**-»-»*.»# Mr. HILL. » » » My own Impression 1« that I was not the author; but Ido not pie- tend to recollect the circumstance.^. If the gentleman can give me the circumstances un- der which tlie resoUition was int reduced they might recall the matter 1o inv mind. Mr. BLA IN E. Allow me to' read further: "Octolier 1, 18(i'2.— The judiciary Committee of the Confederate Congress made a report and offered a set of resolutions upon tUesubject of President Lincoln's proclamation, from which the following are extracts : "2. Every white person who shall act as m, commissioned or non-coommissioned officer, commanding negroes or mulattoes against the Confederate States, or who shall arm. organ- ize, train or prepare negroes or mulattoes tor military service, or aid them In any military enterprise against the Confederate States, shall, if captured, sutfer death. "a. Every commissioned or non-commis- sioned officer of the enemy who shall incite slaves to rebellion, or pretend to give tliein freedom under the aforementioned actof Con- gress and proclamation, by abducting or caus- ing them to be abducted or inducing them to aljscond. shall, if captured, snITer death." Thereupon Senator Hill, of Georgia, is re- corded as having offered the resolution 1 have read. Mr. HILL. I was chairman of the Judiciary Committee of the Senate. Mr. BL.\INE. And this resolution came di- rectly from that committee? ■**** •* * * * * Mr. HILL. I say to the gentleman frankly that I really do not remember. Mr. BLAfNE. The gentleman does not say he was not the author-. Mr. HILL. Idonot. Iwillsaythis: I think I was not the author. Possibl j-"l reported t he resolution. It refers in terms to "pretendeil," not real soldiers. Mr. BLAINE. I thought that inasmuch as the gentleman's line of argument was to sliow the character of the Confederate policy, this might aid him a little in calling up the facts pertinent thereto. [Laughter and applause.] Mr. HILL. With all due deference to the gentleman, I reply he did not think anv such thing. He thought he woubl mber, 1864, the Federal Govern- ment sent ships to Savannah. Now, the re- cords will show that the chief suffering at Andersonville was between August and De- cember. Tne Confederate authorities sought to avert It by asking the Federal Government to come and take its prisoners without equiva- lent, without return, and it refused to do that until four or live months had elapsed. *■*■*■ ** * *■*-)*• Now, sir. It was in reference to that state of things exactly that Dr. Jones reported, as I have already read to the House, in his re- port which was mutilated before that Commit- tee of Congress and in the trial of Wlrz — it was in consequence of that very state of things that Dr. Jones said that depression of mind and despondency and home-sickness of these lioor prisoners carried more to their graves than did physical causes of disease. That was not won(\erful at all. But, Mr. Speaker, why were all these ap- peals resisted? *********** Who is at fault? There must be a reason for this. That is the next pouit to which I wish to call the attention of the House. ■* ■* ■* *•»*** * Here is General Grant's testimony before the committee on theexchange of prisoners, February 11, 18«5. You believe him, do you nof ' Question. It has been said that we refused to exchange prisoners because we found ours starved, diseased, and unserviceable when we received them, and did not like to cxchangre sound men for such men." SPEECfi OP IfON. BENJAMIN fi. HILL. 11 Thai was the question propounded to him. His answer was: "Answer. There never has been any such reason as that. That lias been a reason for making exchanges. 1 will confess that If our men who are prisoners in the Soutn wei-e I'e- ally well taken care of, sutfeiing nothing ex- cept a little privation of lilx^rlf, then,in a military point of view, it would not be good policy for us to exchange, becaua*^ every man they get back is forced right into the army t once, while that is not the ca.se with our pris- oni'i-s M hen we receive them; in fact, the half of our returned prisoners will iiever go into the army again, and none of them will until after they liavt- had a furloufih of thirty or si.Yty days. Still, the fact of their suttering as they do is a reason foruiakiiig tUia exchange as rapidly as possible. ''Q. Aiid never has been a reason for not making the excliange? "A. it never luis. Exchanges having been suspended by reason of disagreement on the part of agen ts of exchange on bot h sides before I came into command of the armies of the United States; and it Then being near the opening of the spring camjiaign I diil not deem it advisaljle oi' just to the men who had to tighl our battles to re-enforee tlie enemy with thirty or forty thousand tliscipliued troops at that time. An immediate resump- tion of exchanges would iiavo had that etfect without giving us corresiionding , benefits. The sutlering said to exist among our prison- ers South was a powerful argument against the cour.se pursued, and so 1 felt it." There is no disputiua: the factthat, with tlie knowledge that his prisoners were suffering in the South, he insisted that the exchange should not be renewed, because it would in- crease the military powerof the enemy. Now tliat may have been a good military rcasoTi. I do not (|UOte it foi' the purpose of reflecting upon General Grant in the slightest. 1 aiii giving the facts of history. * * * i give you the facts, and 1 liave g'iven you General Grant's interpretation oftho.se facts. Let the world judge. ******** Against whom does the charge lie, if there are to be accusations of any, for the liorrors of Andersonville? Mr. JLJlilGllT. What was the percentage of deaths in the prisons? Mr. iilLL. 1 have already given it. I have proved also that, with allthe horrorsat Anfl«r- sonville, * * * greater sull'erings occurred in the prLsons where Contederate soldiers were confined, and that the percentage of death was 3 per cent, greater among Confederate troops in Federal hands than among Federal soldiers held by the Confedfrales. And I need not state the contrast between the needy Confed- eracy and the abuntlance of Federal" supplies and resources. -X- ******* Sir, if any man will rfflect a, moment ne will see that there was reason whythe Confederate governmentshould de8ireexchangeach his own witness. It is true that the Examiner hated Mr. Davis with a cordial hatred. The gentleman could not have introduced the testimonv of perhaps a bitterer foe to Mr. Davis. Whv did It liate him? Here are its reasons: "The chivalry and hunumity of JetTerson Davis will inevita- l>ly ruin the Confederacy." That is your wit- ne^ss, and the witness is worthy of your cause. * * * That is not all. In the same paper it says: "The enemy have gone from one un- manly cruelty to another. Encouraged by their impunity till they are now and have for some time been inflicting on the people of this country the worst horrors of barliarous ami uncivilized war." Yet in spite of all this the Exaininer alh^ged "Mr. Davis in his dealing with the enemy was as gentle as a sucking dove." ***»*»#• I do no doubt that I am the beann' of unsvel- come tnessages to the gentleman from iMaine and his party. He says that there are Confed- erates in this body, arid that they are going to comi>ine with a few from the North for the purpose of controlling this Government. If one wereio listen to the gentlemen on the other side he would be in doubt whether they rejoiced more when the South lett the Union, or regrcLtod most when the South came back to the Union that their fathers helped to form, and to which they will forever hereafter con- tribute as much of patriotic ardor, of noble devotion, and of willing sacrifice as the con- stituents of the gentleman from Maine. O. Mr. Speaker, why cannot gentlemen on the other side rise to the height of this great ar- gument of patriotism ? Is the bosom of the country always to be torn with this miserable sectional debal,e whenevera Presidential elec- tion is pending? To that great debate of half a century before secession there were left iio adjourned questions. The victory of the North was absolute: and God knows the sub- mission of the South was complete. But, sir, we have recovered from the humiliatio'i of defeat, and we come here among you and we ask you to give us the greetings accorded to brothers by brothers. * * » S^ir, my message is this: There are no Con- federates in this House; there are now no Con- fcilerates anywhere; there are no Confederate schemes, ambitions, hopes, desires, or pur- poses here. Uut the South is here, and here she intends to remain. [ Knthusiastic ap- plause.] Go on and pass your qualifying acts, trauiple upon the Constitution you have sworn to support, abnegate the pledges of vonr fathers, incite rage upon our people, and inultiply vour infidelities until they shall be like the'stars of heaven or the sands of the seashore, without number: but km)w this, for all vovir iniquities the South will never agaui seek a remedy in the madness of another se- cession. [Coiitinued applause.] We are here; we are in the house of our fathers, our broth- ers are our companions, and we are at home to stay, thank God. [Much applause.] *■ » * We come charging upon the Union no wi-ongs to us. The Union nt^ver wronged us. The Union has been an uninixeit lilessing to «very section, to every State, to every man of "every color in America. We charge all our wrongs upon that "higher la^'' 12 S^]e:]^cia o:^ fiON. JaMKs a. (iAfiMiSLD. lUiiaticisuj that never kept a pledge nor obeyed a law. The Soutli did seek to leave tlie assooiatioii of those who, she believed, woald not iceep lideliiy to their covenants; the South sought to go" to herself; but, so far from having lost our fidelity to the Constitu- tion which our fathers niaIe cannot atford to talk of grace and magnanimity. If that is grace and magnaniraitv, 1 pray God to spare the country in the future from such virtues. I should say that the propositions and arguments arrayed around that paragraph were the center and circumference of his theme. Let me then in a few words try to recall the House to the actual topic of this debate. A gentleman on the other side of the House, a few days ago, introduced a propo- sition in the form of a bill to grant amnesty to the remaining persons who are not yet relieved of their political disabilities under the Constitution. That is a plain proposition for practical legislation. It is a very im- portant proposition. It is a proposition to finish and complete forever the work of exe- ctitiug one of the great clauses of the Con- stitution of our country. When that bill shall have become a law, a large portion of the fourteenth amendment will have ceased to be an operative clause of the Constitution. Whenever so great and important a matter is proposed a deliberative body should bring to its consideration the fullest and most serious examination. But what was pro- posed in this case ? Not to deliberate, not to amend, not even to refer to a committee for the ordinary consideration given even to a proposition to repeal the tax on matches. No reference to anybody ; but a member of the House, of his own motion and at his own discretion, proposes to launch that proposi- tion into the House, refusing the privilege of amendment and the right to debate, ex- cept as it might come from his courtesy, and pass it, declaring, as he does so, the time has come to do justice to an oppressed people. Under circumstancea like these, Mr. Speak- er, a large number of geiitlemen on this floor felt they had a right, under the rtiles of the House and in the forum of justice and fair dealing, an undoubted right to deliber- ate on the proposition; that it should be open for amendment and debate. Every expression on this side of the House showed that we were earnestly in favor of so closing this last act in the drama of war so far as it relates to disabilities ; that it should be closed forever — CLOSED IN OOOD FAITH and with good feeling. We deeply regretted that the attempt was made to cut us off from SPSECH OF HON. JAMES A. GARFIELD, 13 deliberatiou and ameiidment, and w« there- lore thi-fW ourselves back upon our rights ; and it is by virtue of tliose rights that we debate this question to-day. The genlleiiian from Maine [Mr. Blaine] offered a criticism on the bill. Ue suggested that there were two points in wbicli it ought to be changed. One was tJial the seven hundred and fifty persona who are .still forbuMen to hold office under tlie Gon- stitutioii should have free and absolute am- ne-ty whenever tiny declare by taking the oath of allegiance in open court that they want it ; that, like < Jod's mercy and j>erfect pardon, amnesty should be granted by ask- ing for it. It was suggested that we should follow the rule that we have followed hith- erto in all cases similarly situated. Tliat was tile lirst point. .\uuther point was suggested, that there is one per.son, and only one, who ought to be excepted from the operation of the pro- posed law. Now tiiat may have been wise or it may have been unwise, a.s a matter of slatesmansliip, but it was a question deserv- ing debate, deliberation, and answer. Tlie proposition of the gentleman from IVnn.svUaniM [Mr. Randall] is an affirma- tive cue, and should be supported by affirma- tive reasons. If we allege any reason against, >ve ought to be answered. Two allegations have been mad»< : tirst, tliat there ought to be an oaili of allegiance before a court ; and, second, that one man ought to bo excepted. How liave these propusilions been met? Ho V liave these suggestions been answered ? The first response v.'as a speech full of bril- liani witand personalities. It wa- like jok- ing at a funeral to joke on such an occasion. They have been answered, in the second place, by the speech of yesterday, which arraigns not the Kepublican party alone, but arraigns twenty-five millions of people, ar- raigns the history of the Republic for fifteen years, anaigns everything that isgloriousin its record and high and woilhy in its achievement. I was deeply pained tliat such an arraignment should have been made on iiuch a subject. If the gentleman had confined himself to a reply to the argument which had been offered to show why the ex- ception should be made, it would have been a response pertinent to the subject-matter in controversy. While I o their appeal and the final judgment is rendered, pay the reason^ible ciSts and bow to its mandates. But our question to-day is not that, yet is closely connected with it. When we liave made our arguments and the court has rendered judgment, it may be that in the course of the proceedings the court has used its discretion to disbar some of its counsellors tor malpractice, for unprofessional conduct. In such a case, a luotion may be made to restore the disbarred members. Applying this illustration to the present case, there are seven hundred and fi'ty people who are j et disbarred before the highest authority of the Republic, the Con- stitution itself. The proposition is to offer again the privileges of official station to these people; and we are all agreed as to •jvery human being of theu^ save one. 14 SPEECH OF HON. JAME!? A. GAREIELB. I do not object to Jefferson Davis because he was a couspicnou3 leader. Wliatever we may believe theologically, I do not believe in the doctrine of vicarious atonement in politics. Jefferson I )avis was no more guilty for taking up arms than any other man who went into the rebellion with equal intelli- gence. But this is the question: In the high court of war di'l he practice according to its well-known laws — the laws of nations? Did he, in appealing to war, obey the laws of war ; or did he so violate those laws that justice to those wlio suffered at his hands demands tijat he be not permitted to come back to his old privileges in the Union? 1'hat is the whole question; audit is as plain and fair a question for deliberation as was ever d<-bated in this House. Now, 1 wish we could discuss it without any passien — without passionate thoughts, such as We heard yesterday. The words were eloquent, for the gentleman from Geor- gia well knows how to utter passionate thoughts with all the grace and eloquence of speech. What answer has been made to the allega- tions of the gentleman from Maine to the rea- sons he offered why a full amnesty should not be offered to Jefferson Davis? The gen- tleman from Georgia denies, and so also ap- parently did the gentleman from New York, [Mr Cox,] the authenticity of THE CHAKGES 0F"XTK0CITIES AT ANDEKS05VILLE. The gentleman from New York [Mr. Cox] spoke of the committee from whose report the gentleman fr( 111 Maine [Mr. Blaine] read as a 'immlfug committee '" The gentleman from Georgia [Mr. Hill] spoke of it as an ex parte and partisan committee — a committee that wrote and reported oat of its fury and rage. Now, Mr. Speaker, 1 am unwilling that this case shall turn u])on the mere au- thority of a committee, liowever high; but I want to say now, without arguing the merits, that whethf^r the charge was just or unjust, it was a charge made by the Govern- ment of the United States. 1 mean to plac*» the responsibility of the charges on the high ground of the authority of the Government, which no self-respecting man can call trivial and unworthy of his serious atte;itiou. On the 4th day of May, 1864, the Secre- tary of War, speaking by the authority of the executive (iepartraent of the National Government, addi'essed a communication to a committee of Congress, which I will read. It is found in a volume of reports of com- mittees of the first session of the Thirty- eighth Congress, volume 1, 1863-'64, and is as follows: War DEPARTME?fT, Washtngton Citt, Mop 4, 1864. Sir: I have the honor to submit to you a re- froit made to thi.s Department by" Colonel JotTman, Commissary General of Prisoners, in regard to tlieconditioii of Union soldier* who Imve until williln a lewdavs been ))risoners of war at Kichmonil, iiiiil would respectfully re- qu(>.it tliat vour committee immediately pro- ceed to Anuupolis to take testimony there and examine with their own eyes the condi- tion of those wlio have been returned from rebel captivity. The enormity of the crime committed by the rebels toward our prisoners for the last several months is not known or realized by our people, and cannot but fill with horror the civilized world when the facts are fully revealed. There appears to have been a deliberate system of savage and bar- barous treatment and starvation, the result of which will be that few, if any, of the prison- ers that have been in their hands during the ])ast wi-nter will ever again be in a condition to render any service or even to enjoy life. Your obedient servant, EDWIN M. STANTOX, Secrclnry of War. Hon. B. F. Wade, Cliairman of Joint Commit- tee on Conduct of the War. On the receipt of this letter a joint com- mittee of the two Houses, known as the Committee on the Conduct of the War, was sent to Annapolis, to hold their sessions in the presence of the thousands of returned prisoners who had just been landed, and us the result of their deliberatious, and after taking testimony on the spot from officers and men who had just returned, they re- ported not only their opinions, but the tes- timony in ."ull, in the volume which 1 hold in my hand. That committee was composed of REPnBLlCANS AND DEMOCRATS, and its report is unanimous. The Democrats on the committee were among the foremost members af the ^^enate and House. One of them was Mr. Odell, of New York, a gentleman not now living, who was one of the best men that party has had on the floor of this House since I have been a member. Another was Senator Harding, of Oregon. That commit- tee made an elaborate report, from which I will read a few paragraphs: The evidence proves beyond all manner of doubt a determination on the part ol the rebel autlioiities, deliberately and pcrsi.'stenlly practiced loralongtime past, losulyect those of our soldiers who have been so nntojiunate as to fail in their hands to a system of treat- ment which has resulted in reducing many of those WHO have survJveti and been permitted to return to us to a con- (.litioii, l)Oth physically aneen fro- zen while exposed to the inclemency of the winter season on Belle Isle, being compelled to lie oil the liare ground without tents or blankets, some of them without overcoats or even couts, with but little fire to mitigate the severity of the winds aiul storms to which they were exposed. » * » » It will be observ<.'d from the testimony that all the witnesses who testify upon that point SPEECH OP HON. JAMES A. GARFIELD. 15 state that the treatment they receirecl while ooiiflned at Columbia, South Carolina, Dal ton, Georgia, and other places, was far morv* im- mane than that they received at Ricliinond, where the authoritlvs of the so-called Confed- eracy were congregated, and where tlu) power existed, had tlio inclination not l>cen want- Inj;, to reform those abuses and secure to the prisoners they held some treatment that would ht'ar a public comparison to tliai ac- corded by our auMiorifies to tlie prisioners In our custody. Vour committee, tliarefore, aj"e constrained to say that tliev can hardly avoid tlie coneinslon ex]>reSvSed i)y so many of our r(dcas(>tl soldiers, iliat the Inhuman practices herein reterred to are the result of a determi- nation on tlie part of the rebel authorities to ri!iluce our soldiers in their power by j>riva- tion of food and clothing and by exposure to such a condition that tlioso who may survive shall never recover so as to l)e able lo rentier any ellectlve service in the field. i am not now discussing the merits of the charge at all, but am showing that such is, and for twelve years has continued to be, the autlioritative oilieial charge of the exec- utive department of the (irovernment and of a joint committee of the two Houses. So uiiicli for the responsible character of tlie charge. To this I should add that tliis oliarge is believed to be true by a great ma- jority of the people whom we represent on this rioor. I now inquire is this charge true? Tht' gentleman from tieorgia denies gen- erally the c^liarge that atrocities were prac- ticed upon our prisoners at Andersonville. He makes a general denial, and asserts that Mr. Davis did observe THE HOMANE RULES OF MODERN WARFARE. As a proof, he quotes the general order issued by tlie President of the Confederate (government under which tlie prison was to be established, an order providing that it shoitld be located on healthy ground, where there was an abundance of good water, ami trees for healthful and grate- ful shade. Tliat la a perfect answer so far as it goes. But 1 ask how that order was executed? To whose hands was committed tlie work of building the Andersonville prison? To the hands of (reneral Winder, an intimate and favorite friend of Mr. Davis. And who was Creneral Winder? He was a man of whom the Richmond Examiner used these words the day he took his departure from Richmond to assume command of the proposed prison: Thank God that Richmond is at last rid of old Winder. God have mercy upon those to whom he ha.") been senti He was, as the testimony in the Wirz trial shows, the special and intimaie friend of .Jefferson l>avis, the President of the Confed- eracy, by whom he was detailed on this busi- ness, and detailed with siK^h a send-off as I have read you from a paper of his own city warmly in fhe interest of the rebel cause. What next? How did (ieneral Winder execute the order after h« went there? I turn to the Wirz trial, and read from it only such authorities as the gentleman from fjreorgia recognizes — OFFICERS OF THE RKI3EL ARMY. The gentleman stated yesterday that there was nothing in this book connecting the head of the Confederate Government with the Andersonville atrocities. Before I am through we will see. On the 5th day of Janiiary, 1864, a report was made by D. T. Chandler, a lieutenant colonel of the Con- federate army. This report was offered in evidence in the Wirz trial, and Colonel Chandler was Jiimself a witness at that trial, and swears tliat the report is genuine. I quote from page 2J4: Anderson, January 5, 1864, Colonel: Having, in obedience to instruc- tions of th(^ ■i')tli ultimo, carefully inspected the prisoi\ for Kctloral prisoners of war and post at this place, 1 respectfully submit the following r<*port: The Fed(nal prisoners of war are confined within a stocltade flfleen feet high, of rt)ughiy hewn pinclogs abouleightinciies in diutneter, inserted five feet into the ground, inclosing, in- cluding the recent extension, an area of Ave liundred and forty by two hundred and sixty yards. A i-ailiiig round the inside of the stockade, and about twenty feet from it, consti- tutes the "dead line,'" beyond which the pris- oners arc not allowed to pass, and about three and one-fourth acres near the center of the inclosui'e aie so marshy as to be at prt^sent unlit for occupation, reducing the available present area to about twenty-three and one- half acres, which gives somewhat less Miansix square feet to eacli ])risoner. Even this is being constantly reduced by the additions to their niniiTifr. A small stream passing trom west to east through the inclosure, at about one hundred and fifty yards from its southern limit, furnishes the only vvater for washing accessilile to the prisoners. Some regimen of tlte guard, the bake>y. and The cookhouse, being placed on the rising grounds bordering the strt'am before it enters the prison, render the water nearly unfit foruse before it reaches the prisoners. ' * * * I). T. CHANDLER, Assistant Adjutant and Jn.ipector General,. Colonel R. fl. Chilton, Assistant Adjutant and Inspector General. Here is an official exhibit of the manner in which the officer detailed by Jeff. Davis chose the place for health, with "running wa- ter, and agreeable shade." He chose a piece of forest-ground that had a miasmatic marsh in the heart of it and a small stream run- ning through it; but the troops stationed outside of the stockade were allowed to de- file its pure water before it could reach the stockade; and then, as if in the very refine- ment of cruelty, as if to make a mockery of the order quoted by the gentleman from Georgia, he detailed men TO CPT DOWN EVERY TREE AND SHRUB in the inclosure, leaving not a green leaf to show where the forest had been. And subsequently, when the burning sun of July was pouring down its lifry heat upon the heads of these men, with but six square feet of ground to a man, a piteous 16 SPEECH OF HON. JAMES A. GARFIELD. petition was made by the prisoners to Win- der to allow these poor men to be detailed to go outside, under guard, and cut pine from the forest to make arbors under which they could shelter themselves, and they were answered with all the loathsome brutality of malignant hate, that they should have no bush to shelter them; and thus, under the fierce rays of the southern sun, they miser- ably perished. These last statements are made on the authority of Ambrose Spencer, a planter of Georgia, who resided within five miles of Andersonville. I quote from his testimony, (Wirz's tiial, p. 359:) Between the 1st and 15th of Decemberj 18C3, 1 went up to Andersonville witliW. S. ' inder and four oi- live otiier geutlemeu, out of curi- osity, to see liow the prison was to bo laid out. * * * 1 aslvod him if he was going to erect barracks or shelter of any kind, lie re- plied that he was not; that the damned Yan- kees who wouUl be put iu there would have no need of llioin. 1 asked him why he was cutting down all the trees, and suggested tliat they wouUl prove a shelter to tlie prisoners, froiu tiie Ileal of the sun, at least, lit; made this reply, or tsomething simiUirto it: "Ttiat is just what lam going to do; 1 am going to buUd a pen here that will kill more daniiied Yankees ihan can be destroyed in the fiont." Those are very nearly his words, orequivaleut to them. So much for the execution of the Presi- dent's order to locate the prison. But 1 am not yet done with the testimony of Colonel Chandler. A subsequent report was made by him in the month of August. He went back and re examined the horrors of that pen, and as the result of his examin- ation be made a report, from which I quote the last few sentences, (VVirz's trial, p. 227:) Andkrsonvillk, August 5, 18t>i. Colonel: * » » My duty requires me respectfully to recom- lueild a change iu the officer iu the comuiund of the post, iirigadier General J. 11. Winder, and tlie substituuion in liis place of some on » who unites boili energy and good judgment with some feeling of humanity and cousidcra- ti( n for the welfare and comfort (so far as is consistent with theirsafe-kceping) ofthe vast number of unfortunates piacetl under his con- trol; souie one who at least will nota>f Al- buera, in 1812 the battle of Salamanca, in 1813, Vittoria, in 1816 the battles of Lgny, Quartre Bras, Waterloo, Wavre, and New Orleans, and in 1854 the battles of tht Cri- mea. The number of men in the English army who fell in battle or who were killed or died of wounds received in these battles amounted in the aggregate to rj,928. But this Major-General Winder, WITHIN HIS HORIBLE ARENA OF DEATH, from April, 1864, to April, 1865, tumbled into the trenches of Andersonville the dead bodies of 12,644 prisoners — only two hun- dred and eighty-four less than all the Eng- lishmen who fell in or died of wounds re- ceived in the great battles I have named. Now, Mr. Speaker, I have simply given these results. Percentages pale and fade away in the presence of such horrible facts. THE EEBEL PRISONERS AT KLMIRA. And the genth'man from Georgia denies the charge of atrocities at Andersonville and charges us with greater ones. I will give his words as they are qitoted in the morning papers: When the gentleman from Maine speaks again let him afld that the atrocities of An- dersonville do not begin to compare with the atrocities of Elmira, of Fort Uou^his, or of Fort Delaware, and of all the atrocities, both at ^Nndersonvllle and Elralra, the Confederate government stands acquitted from all respon- slbility and blame. I stand in the presence o/ that statement with an. amazement that I am utterly incap- able of expressing. I look upon the serene and manly face of the gentleman who ut- tered it and I wonder what influence of the supernal or nether gods could have touched him with madness for the moment and led him to make that dreadful statement. I pause; and I ask the three Democrats on this floor who happen to represent the districts where are located the three places named, if there be one of them who does not know that this charge is fearfully and awfully untrue. [A pause.] Their silence answers me. They are strangers to me, but I know they will repel the charge with all the energy of their manhood. Mr. PLATT. I hold in my hand a tele- graphic communication from GENERAL B. F. TRAl T, late commandant of the military post of Elmira, and I beg permission to read that communication. Mr. GARFIELD. I will yield for that purpose. Mr. PLATT. The communication la ag follows: 18 SPEECH OF HON. JAMES A. GAKFTEI.I). Brookltn, Ntsw Tobk, January 12, 1876. To Don. T. C. Platt, House 0/ Representativet, Washington, District of tolumbia: The facts lustlfy your denial of cruelty, lii- humaalty, "or neglect in the treatment of prison ers at F''*Ura. There was no aufferlng there wbich Is uot inseparable from a military prison. First, there was no dea'1-llne. No prisoner was ever Kbot for attempting to es- cape. Second, the food was ample ami of the hest quality. Thousands of dollars were ex- pended In the purchase of vegetables, in addi- tion to the .'irmy ration. No congres.'^man In Washington eats better bread than was given dally to the prisoners. Thebeef was good, and of the same quality and quantity as that dis- tributed to oar own soldiers giiarillng the camp. Third, the dead were not buried In trenches, but the remains were placed in neat coffins and buried in separate graves, with a head-board bearing the name, company, and regiment, and time of death, and all were buried In the public cemetery at Klmira. Fourth, there was no better supplied military hospital in the United States than the hos- pital In the prison -^amp. Fifth, all the pris- oners were comfortiibly ((uartered in new wooden barracks, built expressly for them. From the time I took command, in Septem- iK-r, all the saw-mills in the vicinity of Elmira were kept constantly runnins; to supplv lum- ber for buildings, ' Ac. The barracks for prisoners were first built, and In the extreme cold weather of winter the prisoners were all in barracks, while the soldiers guarding them were still in tents. I was criticised for this in the Army and Navy Journal. 1 think it was, at the time, by an officer of our Army. Sixth, the camp and all the buildings were well goliced, and kept scrupulously clean, evcnth. the mortality which prevailed was not owing to neglect or want of sufficient sup- plies or medical attention, but to other and quite dilferent causes. n. F. TRACY. Ijate Commnndant Military Post Union. Mr. WALKER, of New York. Mr. Speaker, as the member from the district in which El- ipira Depot is located. I take pleasure in in- dorsing every word of Colonel Tracy's dis- patch. I was almost daily at Elmira dur- ing the war, and I know that Confederate prisoners HAD THB BA.ME CARK AND TREATMENT that the Union soldiera had, and I never heard a complaint. [Qreat applause.] Mr. GARFIELD. Mr. Speaker, the light- ning is oar witness. From all quarter^ of the Republic denials 5we pouring in upon as. Since I came to the House this morn- ing, I have received the following dispatch from an honored soldier of Ohio, which tells its own story:' CLKVET.AK D. Ohio. January 12, 1876—10.33 a. m. To Qknbrai, Garti n.D, Hoiitf, of RepresentaHves: By authority of Secretary of War I ftirntshed 15.0OO rebel prfscoers at Elmira with the same rations — cotTee, tobacco, coal, wood, clothing, barrackB, medical attendance — as^ were given to our own soldiers. The dead were decently burled in Eimlra cemetery. All this can be proved b> Democrats of t hat citv. General J. j'. KLWBLL. Mr. HILL. By permission of the g^'Utle- mau from Ohio, I desire to say that thore was no purpose on ray part by any of my remarks on yesterday to charge inhumanity upon anybody at Elmira or anywhere else, 1 only read the evidence from official sources as I understood it. Mr. BLAINE. A letter in a newspaper. Mr. HILL. Let me got through, if you please. I^o not be uneasy. Keep quiet, and I will not- hurt you. [Laughter.] Mr. MacDOUQALL. That is what you told us in 1861. Mr. HILL. I simply sSLy that I was read- ing the evidence of cruelties, in the language of that letter, "inseparable from prison life." Then I read of the small-pox epidemic at Elmira and its character. But the remark which the gentleman is now com- menting on was not connected with any charge of inhtimanity upon any person in the world. I wish it distinctly understood that I meant to charge inhumanity upon no- body. I was simply speaking of those hor- rors that are inseparable from all prison life; and I wound up my statement by saying that the official reports of Secretary Stanton, on the 19th of .July. 18(36, after the war was over, gave the relative mortality of prisoners in Federal hands and prisoners in Confeder- ate hands, and that the mortality of Con- federate prisoners in northern prisons was 12 per cent., while the mortality of Federal prisoners in Confederate hands was less than 9 per cent. Now I simply said that judging by that test there was more atrocity (if you please to call it so) — I meant, of course, mor- tality — in the prisons of the North than in those of the South. Let the gentleman take the benefit of that statementi I simply re- ferred to the report of Secretary Stanton. Mr. BAKER, of Indiana. Does the gentle- man mean to charge that the amount of mor- tality in Northern prisons was owing to any cruelty or neglect of the Federal officers ? Mr. HILL. I do not undertake to say to what special cause the mortality on either side was attributable I say it was attribu- table to those horrors inseparable from prison life everywhere; and I simply entered my protest against gentlemen seeking to stir up those old past horrors on either side to keep alive a strife that ought to be buried. That is all. [Applause.]* Mr. GAR.F1ELD. I am glad to hear what the gentleman says, and to giveitinore force by contrast I quote again the words he used as reported in the newspapers this morning : "When the gentleman from Maine addresses thellouse again let hlraadd to it thatthe atro- cities of AndersonvDlo do not begin to com- pare with the atrocities of Elmira, of Fort Douglas, or of Fort Delaware : and of all the atrocities, both at Andcrsonville and Elmira, the Confederate government ."tantls acquitted from all rpspouslblllty and blame. I refer to it to show why I could not Mr. HILL. I have no doubt the gentle- SPEECH OF HON. JAMES A. GARFIELD. 19 man's motive is good ; but he will permit me to remind him that what he has just read was sai>-i by me after reading Secretary Stanton's report; and of course, while I men- tioned prison places at the North I did not mean to charge inhumanity upon any one as a class. Mr. GARFIELD. But let me say another word to close this branch of the subject. The only authority introduced to prove the pretended atrocity at Elmira was an anony- mous letter printed in the New York World. The Roman roldiers who watched at the sep- ulchre uf the Saviour of mankind attempted to disprove his resurrection by testifying to what happened while they were asleep. Bad as this testimony was, it was not anonymous ; but in ■ this case the testimony was that of a shadow— an initial — nobody. Stat no/tnnis umbra. What the substance was we know not. But even as to this AKONYMOPS ANUTHOKITY, it would have been well for the cause of justice if the gentleman had been kind enough to quote it all. I read, I believe, from the very book from whi^h the gentleman quoted — The Life of Davis — a sentence omitted by him, but which I hope be will have printed in his speech. It is this : The facts demonstrate that in as healthy a location as there is in Xew York, with every remedial appliance iu abundance, with no epidemic, ifec. So that even this anonymous witness tes- tifies that we planted our Elmira prison in as healthy a place as there was in the State of New York. It ought to be added that the small-pox broke out in that prison very soon after the (late of this letter; and the mortal- ity ihat followed was very much greater than in any other pri.son in the North. How we have kept alive our vindictiveness will be seen by the fact that Congress, at its last session or the session before last, passed a law making the rebel cemetery at Elmira a part of the national-cemetery system ; and to-day, this malignant Administration, this ferocious Constitution-hating and South-hat- ing Administration is paying an officer for tenderly caring for the inclosuro that holds the remains of these outraged soldiers ! Mr. MacDOUGALL. And a Union soldier. Captain Fitch, is building at his own ex- pense a monument at Elmira to the Confede- rate dead. Mr. GARFIELD. I did not know that. At another place, Finn's P(jjml, in Virginia, we have within the past few months em- braced another cemetery of rebel soldiers under the law and protection of our national cemetery system. All this out of the depths of our wrath and hatred for our Southern brethren 1 Mr. IllLL. Will the gentleman allow me te say a word on that point f Mr. GARFIELD. Certainly. Mr. HILL. In response to what the gen- tleman has said, I desire to state as a fact what I personally know, th.at on the last oc- casion of decorating soldiers' graves in the South, our people, uniting with Northern soldiers there, decorated in harmonious ac- cord the graves of the fallen Federals and the graves of the fallen Confederates. It is because of this glorious feeling that is being awakened in the country that 1 protest against the revival of these horrors about any prison. Mr. GARFIELD. So do I. Who brought it here? [Cries from the Democratic side of the House, Blaihk 1 BlaikeI] W^i will see a.s to that. I wish this same fraternal feeling could come out of the graveyard, and display itself toward the thirty or forty maimed Union soldiers who were on duty around this Capitol, but who have been dis- placed by an equal number of SOLDIKKS ON THE OTHBB 8IDK. [Applause.] There was another point which the gentle- man made which I am frank to say I am not now able to answer. Mr. REAGAN. Mr. Speaker, I wish to call attention (with the permission of the gen- tleman from Ohio) to the exact state of facts in reference to the allegation just made by him. This is not the first time the statement has been made that there iiave been thirty or forty crippled Federal soldiers removed from oike under this House and their places filled by Confederate soldiers. I was shown yes- terday morning by the Doorkeeper of the House (and the information is as accessible to the gentleman from Ohio and all others as to mysrlf) a roll showing there were eighteen Federal soldiers appointed by the Doorkeep- er of the House during the last Congress, while twenty-four Federal soldiers have been appointed by the Doorkeeper of the present Congress; while at the same time the aggregate number of appointments al- lowed to the Doorkeeper of the House of the last Congress was very much larger than that allowed to the Doorkeeper of the present Congress. Besides that, more than three- fourths of those appointed by the present Doorkeeper have taken what is popularly denominated as the iron-clad oath. Mr. GARFIELD. I should be glad to.lmow that the gentleman from Texas is correct. Mr. SOUTHARD. The gentleman trom Texas has referred to a list which I have bere before me. Mr. GARFIELD. My time is fast running out, and I do not want it all taken up by these explanations; but I will hear my col- league. The SPEAKER, Does the gentleman from Ohio yieldf 20 SPKECH OF HOW. JAMBS A. GARFIELDo Mr. GARFIELD. 1 yield to my colleague. Mr. RANDALL. Your time will he ex- tended. Mr. SOUTHARD. The statement which I hare before me, and to which the gentle- man from Texas referred, is that of the one hundred and fifty-three appointments made oj the Doorkeeper in the last House of Rep- resentatives, there were eighteen Union sol- diers; while, out of the eighty-five appoint- ments allowed to the Doorkeeper of the present House, twenty-six Union soldiers have been appointed. [Applause.] The SPEAKER. These demonstrations are entirely out of order. Mr. JONES, of Kentucky. Mr. Speaker, I rise to a point of order. The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. Mr. JONES, of Kentucky. My point is this: 1 do not know whether it is a point of order or not, but I do request that the Speaker will in the most determined man- ner suppress any applause in this House. I regret this debate, and especially these de- tails; but this applause is unbecoming the gravity of the question, however unfortu- nately it may have come up here; and I do request that on this side of the House there shall be no applause of any member who speaks for the South, or any demonstration against any one speaking on that side of the House. I hope courtesy and decorum will be observed. [Cries of "Good!" "GoodI"] It is unbecoming the House, and unbecom- ing the country, and I hope it wiU be stopped. The SPEAKER. The suggestion of the gentleman from Kentucky is well made. These things are not in order, and the Chair earnestly requetsts the House will set an example to those outside of the bar and in the galleries by stopping all such demonstra- tions. And the Chair takes occasiou to say to the galleries that if these things are con- tinued it will be his duty to have them cleared. Mr. GARFIELD. I regret as much as any one the discussion of this question. I did not intend to refer to it at all. I hope what my colleague has presented as a statistical table will turn out to be correct. I shall be glad if it does. I know he thinks it is cor- rect. However, there has been put into my hand a statement about a single office of the House in which the names of the old and new rolls are given. I speak of the post- office of the House, in which it is claimed that while nine Union soldiers were on the rolls during the last year, NINE CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS have replaced them on the roll of this year; and tlxat of the thirteen employes there, but two took the oath that thej had not borne arms against the Qovernmeni. If the statement be corie(!i which 1 have had put into my hands, it would seom to throw some shadow of doubt on what wt have ju.-t heaid. But let both statements go in together. This is the list handed to me: PCST-OPPICB OP THK HOUSE. The old force.— Normau Crane, \'ermont; A. M. I^egg, New York, two yen is in Union Army; F. A. Warden, Massachusetts, four years in Union Army and pertaanently disabled at Winchester; J. H. Paine, Ohio, was in Union Army; O.M. Thomas, Iowa: It. V. 'tion or rebellion we cannot make any discrimination or distinction. Why, the honorable gentleman must have forgotten that this is precisely what we have been doing ever since the disability was imposed. We first removed the disabilities from the least offen- sive class ; then in the next list we removed those next in order of guilty participancy, and so on, until in 1872 we removed the disability from all, except the Army and Na- vy oflBcers, members of Congress, and heads of Departments. Why, sir, are we not as much justified to day in excepting Jefferson Davis as we were in l!^72 in excepting the seven hundred and fifty of whom he consti- tutes one f Therefore I beg to say to my honorable friend, whose co-operation I crave, that that point is res adjudicata by a hun- dred acts upon the statute-book. We are entirely competent to do just what la pro- posed in my amendment. Now, Mr. Speaker, on the question of the treatment of our prisoners and on the great question as to who was to blame- for break- ing exchange, the speech of the honorable gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Gakfibld] has left me literally nothing to say. He ex- hausted the subject. His speech was un- answerable, and I undertake to say that as yet no gentleman has answered one fact that he alleged — no gentleman in this House can answer one fact presented by him. I shall not therefore at any length dwell upon that. But in connection with one point in history there is something which I should feel it my duty, not merely as a member of the Repub- lican party which upheld the administration that conducted the war, but as a citizen of the American Union, to resist and resent, and that is, the allegations that were made in regard to the manner in which Confeder- ate prisoners were treated in the prisons of the Union. The gentleman from Georgia says : 1 have also proved that with all the horrors you have made such a noise about asoecurrhig at Anderson ville, greater horrors occurred In the priaons where our troops were held. And I could not but admire the "our" and tlie "your" with which the gentleman conducted the whole discussion. It ill com- ported with his later prefession of Unionism. It was certainly flinging the shadow of a de;id Conlederacy a long way over the dial ef the Nation*! House of RopresentativeB; and I think the gentleman from New York fell into a little of the same line. Of that I shall speak again. The gentleman from Georgia goes on to say that — The atrocities of Andersonvllle do not begin to compare with the atroclllea of Elmlra, of Camp Doughis, of Fort Deln ware : und of all the atrocities both at Andersonvllle and at Elmlra the Confederate authorities stand ac- quitted. Mr. HILL. I certainly said no such thing. I stated distinctly that I brought no charge of crime against anybody. But I also stated distinctly that according to the geutleman'g logic that result followed. Mr. -BLAINE. But that is not the report- ed speech at all. Mr. HILL. I stated distinctly that I waa following the gentleman's logic. Mr. BLAINE. I am quoting the gentle- man's speech as he delivered it. I quote it as it appeared in the Daily Chronicle and the Associated Press report. I do not pretend to be bound by the version which may ap- pear hereafter, because I observed that the gentleman from New York [Mr. Cox] spoke one speech and published another, [great laughter,] and I suppose the gentleman from Georgia will do the same. 1 admiit that the gentleman has a difficult role to play. He has to harmonize himself with the great Northern Democracy and keep him- self in high line as a Democratic candidate for Senator from Georgia; and it is a very diffi- cult thing to reconcile the two. [Laughter.] The "barn-burner Democrats" in IS.'iS tried very hard to adhere to their anti-slavery principles in New York and still support the Pierce administration : and Mr. Greeley, with that inimitable humor which he pos- sessed, said that they found it a very hard road to straddle, like a militia general on parade on Broadway, who finds it an almost impos- sible task to follow the music and dodge the omnibuses. [Laughter.] Xnd that is what the gentleman does. The gentleman tries to keep step to the music of the Union and dodge his fire-eating constituency in Georgia. [Great laughter.] Then here is another quotation: We know our prisoners suffered In Federal hands, and we know how If we chose to tell. Thousands of oiir poor men came home from Fort Delaware and other places with their fingers frozen off, with their toes froxen off, with their teeth fallen out. Mr. HILL. The gentleman will allow me to answer. I said that these things were necessary incidents of the horrors of all prisons. Mr. BLAINE. But the gentleman states that that was a fact ? I do not understand him to back down from that assertion f Mr. HILL. No, sir. I saw it with my own eyes. Mr. BLAINE. Now, the gentlsmao from 8J»X]£CH OV SON. JAMES G. BLAIK£. 27 th« Elmira district, [Mr, Walker,] and I honor him for il, was not h«ild in ieash as hib colleague from Now York [Mr. CoxJ was by party fidelity and Southern sympathy, and came out like a man and vindicated his constituents. The gentleman from Georgia makes this charge of ill-treatment of Con- federate prisoners at Camp Douglas. «•»*«■♦♦♦ Now Mr. Speaker, I desire to call attention to the remajrk of the gentleman from New York, who, as 1 said, delivered one speech and published another. Mr. COX. I did not change anything in my speech or in my colloquy with yon. Mr. BLAINE. The gentleman will hare time to answer. I gay the gentleman from New Y'ork delivered one speech and printed another. Mi. cox. Go on with your talk; you are getting used up on this side. [Laughter.] Mr. BLAINE. The gentleman from New York stated that "he had it on the authority of sixty and odd gentlemen here, many of them haying been in the service of the Con- federacy during the war, that no order was is- sued at anytime in the South relative to pris- oners who were taken by the South as to ra- tions or clothing that did not apply equally to their own soldiers, and that any ex parte statements taken by that humbug committee on the conduct of the war could not contro- vert the facts of history " The gentleman therefore stands up here aa denying the atrocities of Andersonville. He seconds the gentleman from Georgia and gives the weight of whatever may be attached to his word to denying that fact. Now, the gentleman him- self did not always talk so. I have here a debate that occurred on the 2lst of December, 1864, in which, while the proposition was pending in the House for retaliation, the gentleman, then from Ohio, said: This resolution provides for Inflicting upon the rebel prisoners who may be In our hanUa the same uihwniane, barbarous, horrible treat- ment which has been Infllctea upon our sol- diers held as prisoners by the rebels. Now, Mr, Speaker — Continued the enraged gentleman at that time — It does not follow that because the rebels have made brute* and fieridn of themselves that we should do likewise, Mr. COX. That is good sense. Mr, BLAINE. "There is," he says, "a certain law of retaliation in war, I know; but," continued the gentleman, "no man will stand up here and say, after due delib- eration, that he would reduce these prison- ers thrust into our hands into the same con- dition exhibited by these skeletons, these pictures, there anatomies brought to our at- tention and laid upon the desks of members of Congress." Then the gentleman says: "It do«B not follow because our prisoners j are tr«>ated in the way represented, and no j doubt truthfully rei)reseulrtd." Thatiswhat the gentleman said in 1864; but when a solemn committee of Congress, made up of honorable gentlemen of both sides of ,the House, bring in exactly the statements which verify all this, then the gentleman states "that the authority was a humbug committee." Mr. COX rose. Mr. BLAINE. Wait; you will hare plenty of time, Mr. COX. I did not get up to interrupt the gentleman. Mr. BLAINE. Now the gentleman Ukes his side among the great defenders of An- dersonville, and states there has been noth- ing made out against Andersonville except upon ex parte statements. Now, Mr. Speaker, while I do not wish to be interrupted, I would like, by & nod, if the gentleman from Georgia [Mr. HillJ will be good enough to tell me — for he is a well- practiced lawyer and I am not one at all; and when witnesses are in doubt they are allowed time to reflect and refresh their memory — I ask him to tell me after reflection whether he recollects having introduced this resolution into the Confederate Senate. Mr. HILL. Which? Mr. BLAINE. The following : Senator 11111, of Georgia, introduced the fol- lowiug resolution in the Oonfeilerate (Jongress . in Octobur, 18bi : "That every person pretend- ing to be a soldier or officer of the United States who shall be captured on the soil of the Confederate States after the first day of .Janu- ary, 186a, shall be presumed to have entered the territory of the Confederate Status with Intent to Incite iusarrection and to abet mur- der : and, unless satLnfactory proof be adduced to tne contrary before the military court bo- fore which the trial shall be had, he shuU suf- fer death. And this section sha^l continue in force until the proclamation issued by Abra- ham Lincoln, datad Washington, September 2-1, 1872, shall be rescinded," Did the gentleman introduce that resolu- tion f Mr, HILL. Do you want an answer ? Mr. BLAINE. Yes, Mr. HILL, I will say this : I state pre- cisely and frankly, as I stated to the gentle- man day before yesterday, that I do not re- collect being the author of that resolution. I have no doubt the resolution was intro- duced, and I will state this : that at the time there was a belief in the Confederacy — Mr. BLAINE. I did not yield for a speech. I only wanted to know that. * * * * Mr. Speaker, what does this mean ? What did the gentleman from Georgia mean when, from the committee on the judiciary, he introduced the following : •2. Every white person who shall act as a commissioned or non-conimlasioned officer, coiniiKiiidlng negroes or niiilattoes against the Confr'd.riite otates, or who shall arm, or- ganize, train, or prepare negroen or malattOM 28 SPEECH OF HON. JAMES G. BLAINE. for tnllltary service, or aid them In any mili- tary enterprise apalnst the Confederate States shall. If captured, suffer death. 3. Every couiml^loued or non-commlsslon- ed officer of the enemy who shall incite slaves to rebellion, or pi>etend to give them freedom, under tbe aforementioned act of Congress and proclamation, by abducting, or causing them to be abducted, "or inducing them to abscond, shall, if captured, sutler death. Now, Mr. Speaker, 1 have searched some- what, but in vain, for anything iu the world that rivals this. I did find, and have here in my minutes, the proclamation of Valmeseda, the Captain-General of Cuba, who was recalled by Spain because of his atrocious cntelties to the inhabitants of that island ; and the worst tiling in all the atro- cities laid to his charge was that ho pro- claimed "that every man or boy over fifteen years found away from his house, not being able to give a satisfactory reason therefor, should suflfer death.'" lie copied it from the resolution of the gentleman from Georgia. Now, Mr. Speaker, I hold iu my hand a copy of the Atlanta Consiiiulion, printed on the 24th of January, 1 875. We are told that all these allegations against Jefi"ersou Davis should be forgiven because they are all of the dead past. We are told that we should not revive them, that there should be nothing in the world brought up in any way to disturb the beautiful serenity of the Centennial year, and that to make any allusion to them what- ever is to do an unwelcome and unpatriotic act. The very last declaration we have from Jefferson Davis authentically, in the life which the gentleman from Georgia held the other day as a text book, reads thus : Time will show, however, the amount of truth In the prophecy of Jefferson Davis- Says the biographer, made in reply to the remark that the cause of the Confederacy was lost. Mr. Davis said : It appears so, but the principle for which we contended is bound to reassert itself, though it viuy be ut another time and in another fornv. Now 1 have here, of the date of January 24, 1875, a speech by Hon. B. H Hill, in the Atlanta Constitution, and it is said to have been the "grandest speech" he ever delivered. Mr. HILL. Oh, that is a mistake. Mr. BLAINE. The gentleman says it is a mistake. I know he has delivered some very grand speeches, but the editor charac- terizes this as the grandest of them all. I quote from him : Fellow-citizens, I look to the contest of 1876 not only as the most important that ever oc- curred in American history, but as the most important In the history of the world ; for if the people of the country cannot be aroused to give au overwheliniug vote ugalusl this Kepu Oilcan party It will perpetuate Itself in power in the United States by precisely the »a,me means that the President has taken in LoulMiaan, ana the pcf>ple will bejpowerless to frevent It except they go to war. [Applause.! f we fall with the ballot-boi In 18/G by reason Offeree, a startling question will present it- self to tlie -American people. I triist we will not fall. 1 hope the Northern people have had a sulHcieut subsidence of passion to see this question fairly. Then the gentleman goes on to say — If we must have war — why his voice is always for war. Mr. HILL. Never, never ! Mr. BLAINE. The gentleman says — If we must have war ; If we cauBot preserve this Constitution and constitutional Govern- ment by the ballot; if force is to defeat the ballot ; if the war must come— God forbid that It should come — but if it must come; If folly, if wickedness, if Inordinate lovo of power shall decree that America must save her Con- stitution by blood, let it come; 1 am ready. [Laughter.] Mr. HILL. Will the gentleman allow m« one word ? Mr. BLAINE. Not now. There will be plonty of time. And then the gentleman said in another speech of May 12 : He impressed upon the colored men of the country the truth thut, If the folly and wick- edness were consumiiutted in war, they would be the greatest sutferers. If peace was pre- served they were safe, but as sure as one war had freed them, just as sure another wh.t would re-enslave them. Now that was pi ocisely the kind of talk we had here by folios and reams before the rebellion. Oh, yes; you were for war then, The gentleman iu his speech says that the Union now is an unmixed blessing, providing the Democratic party cau rule it, but that if the Republican party must rule it he is for war. Why, that is just what Jefferson Da- vis said in 1861. I have here very much more of the same kind. I have been supplied with very abundant literature emanating from the gen- tleman, more, indeed, than I have had time to read. He seems to have been as volumin- ous as the Spanish Chroniclers. In one speech he says : I must say a word about this list of dlsabiHt- ties removed. 1 woTild rather see my name recorded in the Georgia penitentiary than to find It on a list of the removal of disabilities. Why, my friends, do j'ou not know that when j'ou go to that Congress and ask for a removal of disabilities you aflmlt that you are a traitorT Mr. HILL. What do you read from f Mr. BLAINE. From a report in a Cincin- nati Daily Gazette, giving an account of a great meeting in 1868, at which Howell Cobb, Robert Toombs, and the Hop B. H. Hill made speeches. And there the gentleman declared that he would rather have his name on the list of the Georgia penitentiary than on a list of the removal of disabilities. Mr. Speaker, I do not desire to stir up more needless ill-blood, but the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Gakfield] yesterday, appar- ently without much thought, spoke of a olasa of men iu the Southern States who had SPEECH OS' HON. JAMES (J. BLAINE. committed perjury, and I would like to ad- dress the gentleman & question that he can answer when he gets the floor. Mr. HILL. Will you not allow me to an- swer it now f Mr. BLAINE. No, sir; not now. Suppose you inaugurate a great war if the Republi- can party retains power, and you and all these gentlemen who sympathize with you upon this floor, and who had taken an oath to bear true allegiance to the Government of the United States, and that you took that oath without mental reservation, then revolt against the coantry; what would that be ? Would it have any relatic^a to perjury f But, Mr. Speaker, you see the effect of the speeches of the gentleman from Georgia. They are very tremendous down there. The very earth quakes under him. One of his organs says : We assert without fear of contradiction that Mr. Hill In his liltter d enunciation of scala- wags and carpet-baggers has deterred thou- sands of them from entering the ranks of the radical pai'ty. They ilare not do so for fear of social ostracism, and to-day the white popu- lation of Georgia are unanimous lu favor of the Democratic party. And when he can get the rest of the States to the same standard he is for war. Now, Mr. Speaker, the gentleman cannot, by withholding liis speech here and revising it and adapting it to the northern Democracy, erase his speeches in Georgia. I have quoted from them. I have quoted from Democratic papers. There is no accusation that there is any perversion in Republican papers or that he was misrepresented. But the gentleman deliberately states that in a certain contin- gency of the Republican party having power he is for war; and I undertake here to say that, in all the mad, hot wrath in the Thirty- sixth Congress that precipitated the revolt in this country there is not one speech to be found that breathes a more determined re- bellion against lawful authority or a guiltier readiness to resist it than the speech of the gentleman from Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I have not much time left. I said briefly in my first speech that God forbid I should lay at the door of the South- ern people, as a people, these atrocities. I repeat it. I lay no such charge at their door. Sir, I have read in this "ex /:)ar^e hum- bug report" that there were deep movements among the Southern people about these atroc- ities; that there was a profound sensibility. I know that the leading oflicers of the Con- federacy protested against them; I know that many of the subordinate officers protested againrit them. I know that an honorable gentleman from North Carolina, now repre- senting his State in the other end of the Cap- itol, protested against them. But I have searched the records in Tain to find that the gentleman from Georgia [Mr. Hill] protested against them. They were known to the Confederate Congress; they were known at the doorway of your Senate and along the corridors of your Capitol. The honorable and venerable gentleman in my eye at this moment who served in the Confed- erate Congress, and who had before served in the Senate of the United States, himself brought them to the attention of the Confed- erate Congress, and I class him with great gladness among those whose humanity was never quenched by the fires of the rebellion. I allude to Hon. Henry S. Foote. My time is running and I have very little left. I confess — and I say it to the gentle- man from Georgia with no personal unkind- ness — I confess that my very blood boiled, if there was anything of tradition, of memo- ry, of feeling, it boiled, when I heard the gentleman, with his record, which I have read, seconded and sustained by the gentle- man from New York, arraigning the admin- istration of Abraham Lincoln, throwing ob- loquy and slander upon the grave of Edwin M. Stanton, and demanding that Jefferson Davis should be restored to full citizenship in this country. Ah ! that is a novel spec- tacle; the gentleman from Georgia does not know how novel ; the gentleman from New York ought to know. The gentleman from Georgia does not know and he cannot know how many hundred thousands of northern bosoms were lacerated by his course. Mr. HILL. I never said it, Mr. Blaink ; you are mistaken. Mr. BLAINE. Oh, no; you accused the ad- ministration of Mr. Lincoln with breaking the cartel and violating the honor of the Government, and a thousand other things; the speech as published in the papers show it. And as soon as he made it the gentle- man from New York run to him in hot haste to congratulate him, sympathizing, I sup- pose, with the assault. Mr. HILL. Upon that subject I read nothing but published letters and docu- ments, and of northern origin at that. Mr. BLAINE. I repeat, that proposition strikes — I might say almost terror into north- ern hearts; that here, in an American Con- gress, the gentleman who offered that reso- lution in the Confederate Congress, who in his campaign for a seat in this House comes here breathing threatenings and slaughter, who comes here telling you that in a certain contingency he means war, advising his people to be ready for it — that gentleman, profaning the very altar of patriotic liberty svith the speech that sends him here, ar- raigning the Adminiatratiou that conducted the war and saved tlie Union — that gentle- man asks us to join wilii him in pa^iing the last full measure of honor that an Amerioan 80 8?KSCH OF HON. JAMES Qt. BLAINIS. Congress can pay to tha arch «nemy of th,« Union, the arch-fiend of the rebellion. Suppose Jefferson Davis is not pardoned ; suppose he is not amnestied. Oh I you can- notTiave a centennial year without that I No man on this side has ever intimated that Jefferson iJavis should be refused pardon on account of any political crimes ; it is too late for that ; it is because of a personal crime. If yon ask that there may be harmonious and universal rejoicing over every forgiven man, release all your criminals ; set free every man who has been sentenced for piracy or for murder by your United States courts ; proclaim the jubilee indeed Mr. HEREFORD. And the whisky con- victs ! Mr. BLAINE. Mr. Speaker, that reminds me of one thing which in the haste and pres- sure of my hour I might have forgotten. The gentleman from Georgia aimed to be very humorous about General Grant, and said that the logic which I had presented the other day in regard to Jefferson Davis made General Grant responsible for McDonald and Joyce. The gentleman might have thought that he was witty, but I could not see it. Mr. HILL. I know you could not. Mr. BLAINE. It was not so witty as the remarks of the gentleman from New York, [Mr. Cox.] It was more grim. If Jefferson Davis, the moment the crimes of Anderson- ville had been brought to his attention, had arraigned the offenders with all competent autliority, and had issued an order that ''no guilty man should escape," there would be some little consistency in tlie gentleman's position. It was therefore ill-conceived lev- ity, and in very bad taste, for the gentleman to introduce General Grant's name in that connection. But I am authorized, if the gentleman desires it — not authorized especially to men- tion it here, but I mention it on the author- ity of General Grant, whom the gentleman from Georgia impugned in connection with the exchange of prisoners Mr. HILL. No, sir. Mr. BLAINE. To say that one thing touch- ing the exchange of prisoners was that the Davis government observed no honor in re- gard to it; and General Grant states that the brigade of Carter L. Stephenson, that was dislodged at Chattanooga, was made up of paroled prisoners from Vicksbxirg, and that Stephenson himself was one of them. He states that the paroled prisoners of one day in front of his line Vere taken the next. But in stating this he was careful to say that, as to Lee and the two Johnstons and Pemberton. and the other leading Confed- erate generals, their word was honor itself; but that for the Davis executive govern- ment there was no honor in it — none what- ever. The gentleman has got enough of General Grant by this time, I hope. Now in regard to the relative number of prisoners that died in the North and the South respectively, the gentleman under- took to show that a great many more pris- oners died in tlie hands of the Union author- ities than in the hands of the rebels. I have had conversations with surgeons of the Army about that, and they say that there were a large number of deaths of rebel prison- ers, but that during the latter period of the war they came into our hands very much exhausted, ill-clad, ill-fed, di.^^eased, so that they died in our prisons of diseases that they brought with them. And one eminent surgeon said, without wishing at all to be quoted in this debate, that the question was not only what was the condition of the pris- oners when they came to us, but what it was when they were sent back. Our men were taken in full health and strength; they came back wasted and worn — mere skeletons. The rebel prisoners, in largo numbers, were, when taken, emaciated and reduced ; and General Grant says that at the time such superhuman efforts were made for exchange there were 90,000 men that would have re- enforced your armies the next day, prisoners in our hands who were in good health and ready for fight. This consideration sheds a great deal of light on what the gentleman states. The gentleman from Illinois [Mr. HuRt, but] puts a letter into mv hands. I read it without really knowing what it may show: Confedsrjltk States of Ambrtoa, War DBrABTMKNT, Itichrnond, Virginia, March 21, 18C3. My Dear Sir : If the exigencies of our army require the use of trains for the traTisportatlon of corn, pay no regard to the Yankee prison- ers. I wouUi rather they should starve than our own people nuffer. I suppose 1 can safely put it In writing: "Let thert\ suffer." The words are memorable, and It is fortunate that lu this case they can be applleil properly and without the intervention of a lying quartermaster. Very truly, your faithful friend, ROBERT OULD. Colonel A. C. Mysrs. That is a good piece of literature in thin connection. Mr Ould, I believe, was the rebel commissioner to exchange. When the gentleman from ^^eorgia next takes the floor I want him to state what excuse there was for ordering the Florida artillery, in case General Sherman's army got within seven miles of Andersonville, to fire on that stockade. Mr. HILL. That was just to keep your Army from coming. That is all. Mr. BLAINE. Upon this point letters have flowed in upon me — letters which, without pretending to any extraordinary 8?1KCH qf HON. JAMMS O. BLAINB. 81 teBderness, I say in this presence I could not rejid without unbecoming emotion. Mr. HILL. Will the gentleman allow me to say Mr. BLAINE. I have a letter which states that at AndiTsonrille they had stakes put up with tlag.'^ in order that the line of fire might be properly directed from the battery of Florida artillery. Mr. HILL. Oh, that is not so. Mr. BLAINE. There is that order. Mr. HILL. That is said to be a forgery. I do not know whether it is genuine or not. You have the records ; we hare not ; you will not let us see them. You merely say what they are. Let us see the whole of them. Mr. BLAINE. Let us take one single case. I suppose the gentleman would deny that they ever used bloodhounds at Ander- Bonville. Mr. HILL. Oh, no ; though I do not my- self know the fact. Mr. BLAINE. Did the gentleman ever hear of Colonel James H. Fannin, of the first Georgia reserves, who was on duty at An- dersonville f Mr. HILL. Oh, yes. Mr. BLAINE. He says "that Surgeon Turner, the owner of the dogs, belonged to the first regiment of reserves of my company. Then he goes on to tell how the dogs were obtained and how used ; and here is one of the returns made by Wirz : Twenty-ftve men more escaped during the month, but they.were taken by the dogs before the dally returns were made out. The gentleman is a very able lawyer — Mr. JONES, of Kentucky. Has not the time of the gentleman from Maine expired f The SPEAKER pro tempore, (Mr. Hoskins in the chair.) The time of the gentleman from Maine has not expired. Mr. HANCOCK. He commenced ten min- utes before one o'clock. Mr. JONES, of Kentucky. I ask that the flfty-seventh rule of the House be read. I should like to have it read, because the gen- tleman from Maine is constantly violating the rules of this House. Mr. BLAINE. In what respect f The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentle- man from Kentucky is out of order, Mr . JONES, «f Kentucky. I rise to a point of order. Mr. BLAINE. I hope it will not bo taken out of my time. The SPEAKER pro tejnpore. The Speaker of the House set the dial exactly at the time the gentleman from Maine commenced his speech, showing exactly when his hour will expire, and the present occupant of the chair when that time is reached will notify the House. Mr. BLAINE. How much time have I leftr The SPEAKER pro tempore. About two minutes. Mr. BLAINE. The gentleman ia inconsist- ent. I should like to get him to admit something. He does not deny that blood- hounds were used at Andersonville. Mr. HILL. I understood they were ; I do not know ; farm dogs, not bloodhounds. Mr. BLAINE. Here are four or five Georgia witnesses. I conclude in the two minutes left me by saj'ing that in all the evidence I have adduced I have never asked to bring in one piece of Union testimony ; the whole of it is from Confederate prisoners. Why, Mr. Speaker, the administration of Martin Van Buren, that went down in a pop- ular convulsion in 1840, had no little of obloquy thrown upon it because it had ven- tured to hunt the Seminoles in the swamps of Florida with bloodhounds. A Member. No bloodhounds there. Mr. BLAINE. Blood thirsty dogs were sent after the hiding savages, and the civili- zation of the nineteenth century and the Christian feeling of the American people revolted at it. And I state here, and the gentleman from Georgia [Mr. Hill] cannot deny it, that upon the testimony of witness- es as numerous as would require me all day to read bloodhounds were used ; that large packs of them were kept, and Georgia officers commanded them ; that they were sent -after the poor unfortunate, shrinking men who by any accident could get out of that horri- ble stockade. I state, sir, tliat the civiliza- tion of the world stands aghast at what was done at Andersonville. And the man who did that was sustained by JeflFersou Davis, and promoted. Yet the gentleman pays that was analogous to General Grant sending McDonald to the penitentiary. Mr. Speaker, in view of all these facta I have only to say that if the American Con- gress, by a two-thirds vote, shall pronounce JeflFersou Davis worthy to be restored to the full rights of American citizenship, I can only vote against it and hang my head in silence, and regret it. [Applause.] PRACTICABLE AMNESTY. Ifl tlie House nf RepresentatlTes, Jan. U, 1878. MR: BLAINE Mr. St-kakeb, the o>)ject of this aide of th« House is not to become obstnictlve, Is not to delay legislation by those means with ^rhlch in ( bo last Congress we were made so familiar. We bave no desire to filibuster, although the clvil-rlKhts bill, which was designed to give the rijlits of manhood to the colored nieni- bers, was ordered to be reported regularlj from a oommlttee, and tor seventeen consec- utive Monday mornings filibustering cut otT the chance to report it; and one of th« chief parliamentarv glories ofmv honorable friend froiu PennsylvHnia [Mr. IIa^jdai.l] was that by extreme iise of this power he prevented the consideration of that bill. We design no sucli process. We simply desire to have a vote upon the question whether .Jefferson Davis shall be Included In this general amnesty; and in addition to thut, if my friend from Massa- chusetts. [Mr. l*.AKKf?,];who smiles with that winsome smile to which I am always ready to respond, will allow me. he will observe that m\- amendment ie V>etter than his in another rt'si>ect. I will read it in the original terms in which 1 offered It : "That all persons now under disabilities Im- posed by the fourteenth amendment to the Conatltutlon of the United States, with the exception of JiWerson Duvls, late President of the so-called (Confederate States, shall be relieved of such disabilities upon their ap- pearing before any juilge of the United States and faking and supscribing, in open court, the following oath, d>ily attested:" Now the gentlemen's amendment maJces it necessary that an oath be talcen In any court In any St'ate, a court of probate for instance— anv small court. I think that this is a miatter with which the Uj^lted States Is dealing. It is a governmental,^ atter between the Govern- Doent of the Unlfr^i! States and some of its err- ing children. They are coming back to the United Stateslo be feclothed and rehabilitated with the full rights and glories of American citizenship. 1 think tliat important transac- tion should becognlzable only in courts of the United States, in that respect 1 claim that iny amendment Is tictter than that of the gentle- man from Massachusetts. As te the oath pro- posed in tlie two amendments, there Is no dif- ference between them, or if there Is any dif- ference It is merely verbal.' I hold In my hand a letter which I endeav- ored to have this morning the poor prlTilege of reading, and which 1 could not get, but again under the rules of the House, always be- neficent; and which I have no doubt will al- ways 1)6 beneficent as administered by the honorable occupant of the chair, I have that privilege. This morning I received a letter which I commend to gentlemen from the South. With that fascinating elO(nunce which my friend from Massachusetts [Mr. Banks] possesses, he called yourattention to thegreat value in this centennial year of having noQian in the length and breadth "of the land under the slightest politics] disabilities, and why ex- cept poor Jefferson Davis! I have here a let- ter written to me without any request, and, so far as 1 knew, without any "expectation that it would be uiade public; but 1 aui sure that even if It be a private letter the gentleman writing it will pardon me for reading it. It is as follows: "RALEieH, North Caroliwa, '^' January 12, 1876. "My Dear Sir: I observe there is excitement In the House on the amnesty proposition. "In 1870 1 was impeached and removed from office as Governor of this State solely because of a movement which I put on foot accoiding to the Constitution and the law to suppress the bloody Ku Rlux This was done by the Democrats of this State, the allies anil the echoes of Northern Democrats. I was also disqualified by the judgment of removal from holding oftlce in this State. The Democratic It-gislature of this State and its late constitu- tional convention were appealed to in vain by my friends to remove this disability. The late convention, in which the Democrats had one majority by fraud, refused by a strict par- ty vole to remove my disabilities thus im- posed ; and 1 am now the only man In North Carolina who cannot hold office. "I think these facts should be borneinmind when the Democrats in Congress clanior for relief to the late insurgent leaders. Pardon the liberty I have taken in referring to this matter, and believe me, trulv, your friend, "W. W. HOLDEN. "Hon. -JAXBa G. Blainb." Now, gentlemen, what have you to say to that? It is purely a political Impeachment; not prosecution, ' but persecution; perae- cutlon of a man for opinion's sake. And it Is to-day within the design of the Dem- ocratic party to remove Governor Ames, of Mississippi, from his chair by impeachment, and to disqualify him from holding office. The legislation proposed here has this end, that two friends of the Union, one a Union man of North Carolina, and the other as gallant a Union sold.'er as ever tied sash around his body, are to be disfranchised and disabled meii, and poor JelTerson Davis is to be let free to enjoy the Centennial at Philadelphia. [Laughter.] »»♦»» # » ♦ ♦ Now 1 wish to make this proposition that I may bring my bill before the House by unarUmous consent, and 1 will yicbl to any gentleman to move an amendment to it. "I will give to that side of the House all 1 have asked for this side. Now, If it he the ease that gentlemen will refuse that proposition, then it is because they do not want any bill passed. I am for a practicable amnesty. I am for an amnesty that will go through. Mr. KOBin.NS, of North Carolina. I object. Mr. BLAINE. Now, Mr. Speaker, 1 will end this matter, which 1 have within my power. I withdraw the motion to reconsider. ih S, 'J2 LIBRARY OF CONGRESS 013 786 476 9