Y HOLUNGER pH 8.5 MILL RUN F3-1543 CALIFORNIA AND NEW INIEXICO. SPEECH HON. JOSEPH M. ROOT, OF OHIO, w IN THE FIOUSE OK REPllKSENTATIVES, FEIillUAllY 15, IhJO. In Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union, on the Resolution reftnini; the President's Message to the appropriate Standing Committees. Mr. ROOT addressed ihe Committee as fol- lows: Mr. Chairman: In the remarks which I shall submit to the committee I do not intend to wan- der far from that portion of the President's an- nual message which relates to the Territories re- cently acquired from Mexico. I shall first notice his recommendation respecting California; and I beg leave here to say , that perhaps under other cir- cumstances I should feel disposed to criticise some of the proceedings which led to the formation of a constitution for California and her application to be admitted into the Union as a State. I might think that a better boundary might be prescribed for her on the east. Yet as things now stand I am perfectly willing, ready, and desirous to have her recognized as a State with her boundaries as they are. I go further, and say that 1 wish her eastern boundary were the Nueces instead of the one she has prescribed for herself. Sir, with all that territory, California would not be much larger than Texas — certainly not larger than Texas would be if she could get all she claims; and it would enable us, if she were admitted a State of that size, to make some of those fair com- promises of which we have heard so much of late. We could then carve out of California a free State to go along with any slave State that might be carved out of Texas. But that is out of the question now; and I only repeat what I have said before, that in the present state of things I am glad that California has so much territory within her boundary, and 1 shall go for recognizing her as a State, admitting her into the Union, and ratifying all that she has done in the premises, notwithstanding any irregularities that may have attended those transactions. So far I am ready, Mr. Chairman, to second the President's recommendation. But he has gone further, and has given us advice with respect to the residue of the territory acquired from Mexico. He does not tell us what he desires us to do, but tells us he desires us to do nothing; that we should let New Mexico and the rest of that territory alone — have nothing to do with it. Again, with respect to the boundary of Texas, he desires us to let that alone, too. He warns the legislative authority not to interfere with that matter. Here, sir, I cannot follow his advice; here I must be permitted to question the wisdom of his recommendations. I am for doing something. I believe that Congress has a duty to do, and I am for having it done by Congress. And I would like lo have that done which I believe best, not only for that territory, but best for the whole country; and I believe that, so far as the question of action or non-action is concerned, a large majority, both in this House and in the other branch of Congre^^3, are in favor of it. Certain I am that the let-alone policy — the "masterly inactivity" policy — cannot find many friends among the people. To be sure, there may be very wide differences of opinion among gentlemen. Some may desire that one thing, some another, and some that still another thing should be done; but 1 believe that there is a ma- jority of this House who are in favor of having something done. Most gentlemen seem to think that action, and prompt action, is required at our hands; and I may be p.ermitted, I trust, to express my surprise at the wonderful change that has been going on in the mind, not only of the President, but of a good many of his northern friends, since the close of the last session of Congress. 1 need not tell you how urgent the friends of the Presi- dent were then to have some sort of a government provided for California. I do not, of my own knowledge, say that the President was urgent. I never heard him say a word on the subject; but it was said he was; and a paper in this city, profess- ing to be advised of his opinions, and to speak for him, said he was very anxious indeed that Congress should provide some government for California. Why, his conversations were pub- lished in many newspapers — whether correctly or not I don't know; but it was asserted, and so far as I know not contradicted, that he urged personally upon members of Congress, " For God's feake to provide some government for Cal- ifornia, beside the government of the bowie- knife;" and the only dispute about what his views and wishes were, was as to the kind of govern- ment which he desired. Some gentlemen insisted that he favored the proposition which originated in the Senate, and was stuck on the civd and dip- lomatic appropriation Uill — known as the Walker amendment; others said he was perfectly iiulitfer- ent as to what kind of government it wa;;, so that some government was provided. Well, Congress did not provide any government. You know why, Mr. Chairman, as well as I do — any mem- ber of the last Congress, who was present at the close of the last session, must have understood perfectly well why a government was not pro- vided for CHJifornia. It was not the fault of the House. The House, in season, passed a bill pro- viding a territorial government for California; they sent it to the Senate in time for that body to have acted upon it, if they had been disposed to do so; b.t that august body did nothing with it; they laid it away, and it was never heard of again. The ne.\t we heard from them on the subject was a money bill — the civil and diplomatic approfiria- tion bill — with the Walker amendmenl attached to it. I think it was pretty generally believed at the ti le by the friends of the present Administra- tion, and perhaps by others, that t^at amendment was to become a law. I cannot speak authoriia- tivcly, but I know we had a very decided expres- sion of opinion from gentlemen, then and now mem- bers of this House, that it would pass. The men who were to pass it were, it was said, all counted and booked; and if the screws only stuck, we were told it would go through. We had some exceedingly tight screws, and then again a good many loose ones. The latter gave the former a good deal of trouble and vexation of spirit. All who were here at the last session must remem- ber iliat last memorable night — Saturday night and Sunday morning. We remember what efforts were made to pass that Walker amendment, and we remember how it was defeated. It never was relihquished until it became a " fixed fact," that, if insisted U|Jon to the bitter end, the whole civil and di|dcimatic appropriation bill must be lost. Ay, I kiio\v the fiict now, and I knew it tlien, that tliere were a sufficient number of men bound to that purpose; and they would have carried it out if God had spared their lives and strength. Yes, sir — I was one of them. Never, never should the Walker amendment go through the House, if we by any legitimate proceedings could prevent it. We are told that southern gentlemen have that ex- ample in view. A VOICE. Yes, and we intend to profit by it. Use it sparingly, gentlemen. We had only thirty-six hours to fight against. I believe if we had hud thiriy-seven some of our men would have given out, and they were precisely those who were fiercest at first. If you begin six months beforehand you will get out of breath, 1 think. Don't jump too quick, nor take too long a start. Take it coolly, as we did, and then — good luck to you. Let ine inquire again why it is that the Admin- isttation, which was no longer ago than March last so anxious to provide some kind of a govern- ment beside a " bowie-knife government" for California, which then had a |.opulaiion, 1 believe, not exceeding 20,000, should now, when we come to consider of a territory containing a population of at least 100,000, think a " bowie-knife govern- ment" is just the right sort ofgovernment for them? If they wanted a law enacted for California last stsMon, why not have a lav/ enacted for New Mexico now ': If a bowie-knife government would not answer lor California then, with a population of 20,000, \^l y is a bi wtt-knile governiiicni ■;ood enough for New Mexico now, with a population of 1(10,000? "Oh! there is a little alaim among iIh m at out Iiidiiin."; lui thin ihere is a suffi- ome sort of a government for New Mexico as well as admit California into the Union as a State. I insist that it is our duty; I that it is due to those people; that it is due to the people of the Stales. Why, how long is it since j we had a great clamor raised here about Minnesota! Everything was going to wreck and ruin because I Minnesota had no government— Minnesota with less than ten thousand inhabitants then, and will) 1 but little prospect of a very rapid increase, for il : is in the hyperborean region. At this season of the year traveling is done there on snow shoes. It is a good lumber country, a fine country, in many respects, and it will be peopled v hen our norih- ern people have nowhere else to go, and some may prefer perhaps to go there when they could go elsewhere. But there was a great necessity, it was said, for a territorial government there 1 and j my colleague [Mr. Schenck] really incurred a good deal of censure at the time because he insist- ed that we should be careful what kind of a gov- ernment we provided for those people, and that time should be allowed to examine and perfect the bill. The case was so urgent, it was said, that the bill must be passed at once. I am unwilling to leave the people of New Mex- ico, Dcseret, &c., without law, or without officers duly autnorized to administer the law. 1 am un- willing to allow Executive discretion as wide scope there as it has had in California; and 1 am still more unwilling to allow the military government 1 that seems to be the only one that the United States j has provided for those jieople, to continue longer. I Such things were bad enough in time of war — they ; are intolerable in time of peace. ! Indeed, sir, so obviously [iroper is it that Con- I press should provide a territorial government for ' (hose people, that some of the wisest of the friends ; of the Administration in Congress, have, in the I face of the recommendations of the Executive, expressed a delvTminaiion to b.ing in a lull or. bills for that purpose; and I only regret that they do not propose to have iheir bills contain a prohibition of slavery in all the territory; but the bills might be amended by inserting such a prohibition, if there were even in this House a majoiity in favor of it. I am for doing that. 1 believe it to be not 3 only the risht l)ut the iliity of Coiigrcsa to insert such a pirtliiliiiioii. 1 lielieve wc liiive the nu- tliority to (Jo ii, mid thul n innjoniy of ilie people of the Uiiiled Slates desire thui it should lie done; that it would be betlcr for the United Suites, l)eltcr for the people of the territory, better in every re spect that it should l)0 done. 1 will not rnter ' into nn argument here iibout the crttot of the law of Mexico, the luw of the country as it existed when we acquired it. Suppose, sir — and I will not dispute tho fact — that the law in und of itself prohibits slavery; we know that a larg;e und re- spectable portion of the fieople and of ihe jieople's Representatives insist that it does not exclude slavery. They claim that the people of the slave- holdiriif Stales have the ri^ht to i;o there wi'h their slaves and hold them as they could at home in their own Stales. While men of wisdom, pairioiiam.and delermination, hold that this is the fact, that this is the clear law of that land, that this is their un- doubted right, and whilst they declare that ihey will exercise that right, arc we to be told that ii is unnecessary and inexpedient to settle this vexed question.'' However clear my own opinion may be, smce a respectable portion of my fellow-citizens enterluin a different opinion, I will go for .settling the dispute, for quieting the controversy, for putting this bone of contention out of the way forever. Well, sir, what are the objections to the erv actment of this prohibition against slavery in those territories now free? Why should it not be done? If a mnj"riiy of the people desire it, if a ; majoi ity of their Represcntalivrs and Senators will vote for it, why should it not be done, let me ask. | "Oil, because it is a disuirbing question — because it will disturb the harmony of the country !" I strongly suspect that this argument is ba.sed rather upon the fear that it will disturb the harmony of party — that it i.^ a good deal more on account of its disturbing the harmony of party than the har- mony of the country. Again, it is said that it would be "aggression" upon the slaveholding ^ States^ and we are warned, solemnly warned, and ] exhorted — gentlemen say they don't intend to | menace u.s — but to warn us to cease our aggies- i sions! — the South will never submit to them! I Are not gentlemen mistaken as to the fact of there f ever having been any aggressions upon them? Why, who has been gaining most relatively since the Constitution was adopted ? What kind of re- sults liHve followed these long-continued aggres- , sions on the South by the North ? What was the i state of things at the adoption of the Constitution ? , There were thirteen States. To be sure slavery in some form still existtd in a majority of them; yet there were not to exceed five that did not at that time contemplate an almost immediate abo- ' Ution of slavery within their respective borders. And, sir, there were not to exceed three whose delegates in the convention did not express the , hope that the day was not far distant when it , would cease to exist entirely. I do not sav that they were unanimous in this expr»ssion. There were men from Virginia and from North Carolina , who expressed the wish and the hope that sla- i very should be abolished in those Slates. Mr. ASHE interposed, and wished Mr. R. to mciuion ihe name of any man from North Caro- ^ lina who, in the convention, expressed the hope | that slavery would be abolished in North Carolina. Mr. ROOT. It WiiHn't the gentleman, nor nny of his onie«tor«. [A lnu<»h.) ! think I am correct in th« Ntuteinf. al>«iliHlied in their Siato, there wan a mujority of unti-iduvcry Siatca. There were all the iVew ICngland SmtCM, New York, New Jersey, and PmimylvBuia— anii-^ln- very Stales. To be sure. New York, New Jer- sey, and Pennsylvania had hIuvcs, but they were nil looking forward to the time when they would get rid of slavery. It was an anti-sluvcry conven* tion; there wu.m u majority of unti-id. ivory Staiea represented in it. And what did the firnt Congrcfit that ns.scmblcd under the Con.^iitution do ? The Rcpresentdiives from all the Stiitos, acting together, provided ftir organizing n territorial government for the only territory we then hod — ihe North- west Territory — for excluding slavery therefrom, and for creating five additional Slates, to lle temptations to our southern brethren to provoke war with her, which must always result in the conquest of her territory; and the sympathy of I her people with the African race will always afford means of provoking war. Only one thing can prevent such wars, and that is to convince the southern people that the territory, if conquered, must ever remain free. That will do it, sir. Let the people of the slave States be assured that i whatever territory may hereafter be conquered of Mexico will be free, and ihey will keej) the peace ! towards that country without bonds. Now, it is quite obvious that if the Territories or Slates bordering on Alexico should l>e slave soil, then the adjoining Mexican territory, when acquired, would become slave soil; and that if, on the contrary, our border should be free soil, any future acquisitions of Mexican territory mus! also be free soil. And it is only when we view the question in this light that we can sec all its im- portance. Cy prohibiting slavery in the lerriloiy already acquired from Mexico, we exclude it forever from the territory yet left to Mexi- co, aixl, what would l)e no less desirable, we should prevent future wars of conquest being waged by this couniry against that, and which could not fail to provoke the wrath of a just God Mg;iinHt us. It is for these reasons that I say it is our duty to prohil)it .slavery in the Territories; and ( wish tliat this House, at least, would always stand firm upon tliis ground. I once thouj^lit it always would — that it would never abandon this position. And permit me to tell you that so long as this House shall stand firm fur free soil, no matter what the Senate may do, no nmltcr what the President docs, the cause of freedom will be .safe. Just let it be understood by the people of the Territories that they can never come into this Union as a State — that the House will stand in their way and keep them out as long as slavery is tolerated in their constitution, and, sir, we shall have no slavery constitutions presented here. That is what put freedom into the California con- stitution. That, if anythins. will put freedom into the New iVlexico constitution, if you only make them understand that they cannot get into this Union with a constitution tolerating slavery. If this House will only do its duly, and stand firm upon this ground, if the majority will obt y the will of their constituents, slavery never will be extended. No tlianks to the President, or his Secretary, or his special a^ent, for the pi'ohibition of slavery in the constitution of California. I believe, and think I have good reason to believe, that they would each have preferred that that constitution should have been silent on the subject; but the disposition that this House had manifested deterred southern men frmn taking their slaves there, whilst the newly-discovered gold mines drew iTardy adven- turers from every part of the free States, and thus a large majority of the people there were for free soil, and the politicians made their acts conform to the will of the people. The case is different with New .Mexico. It is easier of access to the southern than the northern people, and hence more of the former than the lat- ter will go there. No rich mines of either gold or silver have as yet been discovered there to attract an extraordinary number of free laborers from the North to the country; and unless slavery be pro- hibited there, the attempt will be made to introduce it, and probably successfully made. But, sir, within a very short time the ground which this House did at first occupy, the ground which the last House occupied, has been surren- dered and given up, and now we are told by our southern friends that the Wilmot proviso is dead — that your anti-slavery cause has been abandoned by the House, and that its real friends are the derision of the majority. It must be exceedingly gratifying to those Representatives of free north- ern constituencies who voted down the Wilmot proviso the other day, to be told to their faces that the Wilmot proviso is dead; that it has been mur- dered in the house of its friends; that its own pro- fessed advocates and supporters have trampled it under their I'eet. That is the way it was killed, if killed it has been. But don't take that as asetiled question. So far as this House can kill it, it has, I confess, been killed; but I tell you it is a living, abiding; principle in the hearts of the people of the free States, And it may turn out after all that instead of killing the Wilmot proviso those pa- trioyc genilemen have only been committing suicide. There are not ten men in this Hall coming from free States that could have got here had it been under.stood by their constituents that they were opposed to the Wilmot proviso. There are not two Whigs from free Slates who could have got here had they told their conHtituenIs before they were elected that they would do as some of them have done since. But there has been a great change going on in the public mind; a marvelous light has been let in upon the minds of some gentlemen. Why, when thi.s question first arose this session upon the motion of the gen- tleman from Georgia, [Mr. Sri,i'iiENs,] to lay the resolution upon the talile, that motion was lost by some eighteen or twenty majority. In three or four weeks the same motion was made, and was carried by 26 majority. That is very fast for even the argu- ments of power and patronage to work upon minds open to conviction. Yes; we get a mes- sage from the President — no Executive interfer- ence, of course— but we get a message recom- mending non-intervention; or is it non-action.' — I am not sufficiently schooled in the court dialect to detect the dilFcrcnce, — and thus it is understood what kind of action here will be acceptable at the other end of the Avenue; and that is enough for certain gentlemen. It gave them their cue; it taught them the way to pay court to the powers that be — to make themselves acceptable to the great Taylor republican Chief and Cabinet— and down went the proviso. And yet some of these very gentlemen at home, a very short time since, were finding fault with free soilers for not going far enough on this question of free soil. I could not keep up with them in Ohio when I refused to sup- port such a free-soil candidate as General Taylor. They doubted my sincerity. It was apparent to all, that had it been believed in the South that he was for the proviso, he could not have got a southern electoral vote. I think there is no doubt about that. And had it been known in the North that he was against it, and would use his influence against it — that he would send such messages to Congress as he has sent since the commencement of this session, he could have got but a precious few there. The " indomitable anti-slavery Whigs" of New York and Pennsylvania might have done something for him. But out of those two States he would not have gone far. It was evident that either the North or South was to be deceived — the Wil- mot-proviso men or the pro-slavery men. It was a pretty even chance some thought; but I confess I deemed the sugar plantation, with three hundred slaves, woidd be a Utile dust on one side of the balance. But it was nothing more than a game at the best. I neither wanted to cheat nor to be cheated; and hence I took no part in it. I stood out. And now we find how the thing works. We are to have nothing done. And here, gentle- men, the friends of this Administration, who boast- ed of their devotion to free-soil principles before their constituents, who are in favor of doing noth- ing now, vote to lay on the table the Wilmot pro- viso. Not all of them do that. There are among them many who do not vote at all, though they are here or hereabouts. It is bad enough for gen- tlemen representing constituencies in favor of the proviso to vote against it, but it is worse — at least I regard it as worse — for such to refu.se to vote on the question. Better, sir, vote wrong tlian dodge. What a scattering there was here when the yeas and nays had been ordered on the motion to lay my resolution on the table. Some gentlemen had not even time to take their hats out with them. What a number of friends we had calling on ua at that moment. What a sickly season that was, 6 and what a spectacle the whole thing: presented. Gentlemen each representing at least 70,000 free pennje, and authorized to speak and net for iheni, neither j-poke nor acted at all. They, sir, are the true noii-aclionisls. They carry out the views of the E.xecutive in spirit and in truth. It is nut lonsr.sir, since my friend and colleajfise [iVTr Siiikvck] made an elocpient sp(;ech here^ in which he liandled us Free Soilers pretty roughly, because, ns he said, we had refu.sed to vole for a decided and consistent friend of the proviso, and had thereby contributed to the election of a slave- holdinsi: Speaker. It is true that we mijlit have voted for n»y friend's candidate, and possibly, with our vote.-j, he might have been elected; but what kind of a Speaker should we have ^ot if he had been.' Why, one of the.se nonactionists. A friend of the proviso, sir.' Yea, a friend "Willing 10 wouikI, and } cl afraid tu strike " the proviso. Between such a friend and an enemy, I think there was not much to choose, though, as a general rule, I would prefer an open enemy to a skulking friend. The friends of the Administration, by their cele- brated " plur.ility rule," sought to make the Free Boilers choose between their candidate and the present Speaker. They sought to drive us on to their favorite ground — " a choice of evils" — but we would choose neither, sir. They were caught in their own trap, and were constrained to vote to confirm the election of the very man they had professedly tried to defeat. It was very natural that i ihey should feel ve.xed, still they ought not to have charged the result of their bad management over to the Free toilers; but they are welcome to all they can make out of it. If we had even lacked a good reason for our course at the time, their can- didate has been so obliging as tp furnish us with one since. I would suggest to my friend, that when he publishes a second edition of his speech, he should add a note informing his readers that the Wilmot-proviso candidate, lor whom the Free Soilers would not vote, would not himself vote for the proviso afterwards. No, sir, he was not in his ' seat, nor is he now. There is another possible motive for the conduct of the non-actionists, which has just occurred to my mind; and as I ain willmg to a-scribe the best motive that the case will admit of, I will state it. It may be, that these gentlemen had been fore- ' warned that the proviso was about to be done to death, and that as their tender sensibilities would not permit them to witness the execution, they just stepiied out until it was over. If gentlemen can think of anything better than this, I wish they would suggest it. What rciuson, Mr. Chairman, will northern gentlemen, who profess to be ofiposed to the ex- tension of .slavery, and who yet voted against the proviso or refused to vote at all, give for their ac- tion or their non-action.' Thus far they have been as dumb a.s fish; but some of the newspapers have reasons as thick as blackberries for both sorts of gentlemen. ' First, they say the resolution wad premature. Was it any more premature the other day than it was a nuinlh before.' Why did not they vole to ■ lay it on the table when it was first offered .' Is it any more premature now than it was at the last session of Congress? and yet at that session a i similar resolution was pa.s9ed by ihc House, and i it called forth two bills — one for California and the other for New Mexico. Was a bill any more necessary for New Mexico then than now.' It is a little singular to find these gentlemen following in the footsteps of General Cass so closely in all respects He, you may -remember, was vocifer- ous for the proviso in August, 1846, at the close of the first session of the twenty-iiimh Congress, when he regretted exceedingly that Governor Da- vis defeated it by his ill-timed speech, as he called it. At the next session it was premHture, and at the next it was unconstitutional. When will these gentlemen arrive at that point also .' Shortly, sir, if thty keep the course they have started upon. Next they say it is unnecessary. Unnecessary! I Why was not this found out in 1848.' That was one of General C.4ss's excuses then, and nobody denounced him for it more than these same geiule- j men. 1 have already stated nriy views on this point. II gentlemen have any other reasons to give, they may give them themselves. I have mentioned their two best — no, not theirs, for they borrowed them both,, or rather picked them up after the owner had thrown them away. The Democratic Representatives from free States, who still adhere to the Cass doctrine of " non-in- tervention," would of course vote against the pro- viso. Nothing else was expected of them; but there are some who have professed to be in favor of the proviso, and yet voted against it the other day, and others who didn't vote at all. Have they returned to their first love.' Didn't they get enough of non-intervention at the last Presidential I electioni or do they still hope to make another trial with the same or a similar candidate.' Do they still hope to conciliate the South — poor men.' ; I rejoice, Mr. Chairman, to be able to say that there are many (1 wish there were more) represent- atives from the free States, in this House, of both the great political parties, who not only talk in favor of Free Soil at home, but vote in favor of it here. Gentlemen who can neither be prevailed upon by threats on the one hand, nor cajoleries on the other, to swerve from their |ninci|)les or their duty; and however niuch I may differ with thejn on other questions, whilst this great question of the exten- sion or non-extension of slavery reinains open and unsettled, and whilst I hold a seat in this Hall, it will be honor enough for me to bear my humble part with them in our common effort to restrict slavery, at least to its present limits. If my voice could reach their constituencies, 1 would say to every true Free Soiler among them — look to it that your representatives be well sustained at home. Now gentlemen talk about what will happen if the North shall continue its " aggressions. " This is a purely speculative question, for I suppose, as far as this Congress is concerned, there is to be no further aggression. No; this agi;ressive policy is stopped; it has ceased. But, f have said, and :;etitlenien must pardon me if I still say and be- lieve it too — that there is but one thing iTiore ab- surd than this talk about the dissolution of the Union; and that i.3, the alarm which s>ome gentle- men feel about it. Dis.solve the Union! It is a mure speculative question, because the Norih»will not go on aggre.ssing. No; so many northern Representatives have already backed out of the proviso. And, judging from what has been the effect of these " Holcmii warnings" upon them, we can come at least to a guess as to what they will do in future. A stranijer coming in here fresh from the people might s;et some (|ucer notions con- cerning; the object and policy of ilie rcd-liot s(>vech- es iluu we sometimes lieur frcjiii our soullicrn friends. Uut, Mr. Chairman, nothing lells like thenj upon this House — nothing, sir. I don't question the sincerity of gentlemen at all. But if I could question ii I should stdl be oltliged to admit that the thing was well done -that it was politic at least — for it works lik-- a charm. These *' solemn warnings" knocked tlie free-soil out of some of the Representatives from tlie free States as the fla.K-dre.*ser whips out shives. This work of dissolving the Union would, if the" North were lo stand up to its position, be found a very different business from what some gentlemen seem to suppose. 1 remarked in the first part of the session that whatever might turn up, however the Union might bf dissolved, gentle- men ^ad better make their calculations upon one thing as settled, that the Mi.ssis.^ippi river will be free as long as water fliDws in it. 1 say so still. 1 have Iteeii a little misquoted by tiie gentleman from Alabama [Mr. Hilliard] and thegenileman from North Carolina, [Mr. Cli.vg.man,] who repre- sented me as having spoken of the moulli of the Mississippi merely. Gentlemen, we cannot take up with the moutli of the Mississippi. No, you cannot get off in that way; but 1 tell you the whole Missisjsippi, from its mouth to its source — whatever your southern convention may do, what- ever resolves they may pass — will remain forever free to the people of the old Northwestern Territo- ry. Aye, the children of the first born of the ordi- nance of 1787 svould float up and down that river free whenever and as long as they please. That you may rely upon. And my friend from North Caro- lina [.Vlr. Cling.man'] would get his ideas a good deal enlarged upon that subject if, instead of going to Saratoga and Newport, laying baits for " valen- tines," (a laugh,) he will come out to the Northwest, if he will look at our rivers and scrutinize closely the lads who navigate them. If he will go to the wharves of Pittsburg or Cincinnati; if he will go to any of our western river towns he will conclude at once that it would be the most difficult thing in the world to prevent the western boys from going the whole length of the Mississifipi and back again — out and back, sir, at their own will and pleasure. Not that i doubt the chivalry, the gallantry and courage of the southern people. Not even the vaunting of that gallantry of which we have had a spice, can bring it under suspicion with me. Why, 1 would not own them for fellow-citizens if I did not think them brave. But 1 must say that a less gallant people might have their courage brought under suspicion by some of the talks we have heard. It is not the way folks confident in their own strength ordinarily talk. But then it depends a good deal u[(on how they have been brought up. [A laugh.] Dissolve the Union ! How will it work ? Suppose you do meet in convention and resolve that the Union is dissolved, will that absolve the President of his official oath.' Will he not stand there still clothed with the authority, armed with the power to execute the laws of the land ? And would they be executed.' Well, ihey would. There is no mistake about it. It would be right in his line of business. And let me suggest to you another thing that would follow as an inevit- able consequence, the Hlar-spanglcd banner, the s|iread-eiigle, and so forth, with fifes and drums, andalllhat sort of thing, would be paraded through your States. I will say one word more — a mere muter of opinion of course — that you had bet- ter have a Frederic Douglass on every planta- tion of the South, lecturing upon the " God-given ri'^'hts of man," than to have this kind of military fuss and parade among you. It wouldn't be fa- vorable to your "peculiar'' institution. [Laughter.] It would go a great way to enlighten your slaves as to the real, not market, value of we