.S7Y Copy A HERBERT SPENCER ON THE AMERICANS AND THE AMERICANS ON HERBERT SPENCER. BEING A FULL REPORT OF HIS INTERVIEW, AND OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE FAREWELL BANQUET OF NOV. 11, 1882. KEW YORK: D. APPLETON AND COMPANY, 1, 8, AKD 5 BOND STr.EET. 1883. t 168 .S7^ Cj)-^.u OOPTKIGHT BY D. AFPLETON AND COMPANY, 1SS2. JoliDB Hopkin's Univ. U}k aiit. COJSTTEI^TS Peeface . . . . . . .5 Eepoet of Me. Spencee's Ixteeyiew ... 9 PEO0EEDI]!fG8 OF TflE SpENCEE BaNQUET . . .21 THE SPEECHES. Me. Evaets's Remaeks Me. Spencee's Addeess Peofessoe Sumnee's Speech Remaeks of Me. Schuez Addeess of Peofessoe Maesii Me, Fiske's Speech Me. Beechee's Rejiaeks . 25 28 35 40 45 50 58 UXSPOKE^' SPEECHES. What Me. Youmaxs did xot say . . . .67 What Me. Waed was eeady to say ' . " ' . . 76 What Me. Leland got isro Chance to say . . 80 LETTEPJ.' Lettee feom De. Holmes .... 84 " Peesident "White , . . .85 " Peesident Baenaed ... 86 " R. Hebee Newton .... 87 " J. B. Stallo . . . . .88 " Geoege M. Dayie .... 89 " Daniel Geeenleaf Thompson . . 89 " Feed, W. Hineichs. ... 91 " W. D. Le Sueue . . , .98 " Wilmot L, Waeeen . . . .95 " Hugh McCulloch .... 95 6 PREFACE. cruited a little from better sleep, he consented to the arrangement. Mr. Spencer at first improved at Newport, and hoped that he might have a few days of strength to enjoy New York before leaving. But he was again disappointed, as is shown by the fol- lowing extract from a letter of November 4th : " I went wrong again at Boston, and my head has been since quite as much disordered as at any time since my arrival. I stay here until Wednesday, because it is absolutely needful to shun all excitements save that of the dinner itself. I must peremptorily decline committing myself to anything else. I am sorry to dis- appoint you and others; but, even as it is, I look forward with some alarm to the state of brain with which I shall start on my return voyage." It is thus apparent how serious an invahd our visitor was, how reasonable were his apprehensions of the effect of an excur- sion to this country, and how imperative was the necessity that he should maintain the utmost privacy while here. In fact, very soon after his arrival his chief solicitude was to recover vigor enough to get home again. Many of Mr. Spencer's friends all over the country were sorely disappointed at not being able to meet him, to shake hands with him, and express to him their admiration and their gratitude, but it is to be hoped they will recognize that his disabilities were such as to make this wholly impossible. The reference that it has been felt needful here to make to Mr. Spencer's state of health leads to a further consideration in relation to it. Having previously animadverted upon political questions, when interviewed, in his farewell remarks at the dinner he thought proper to address himself to a topic of more social and personal interest. Mr. Spencer is not practiced in the arts of after-dinner speech-making, and he was certainly in no condition to trust himself to impromptu remarks suitable to a festive oc- casion. He had but one opportunity to address the American people; and it was not the quality of the man to indulge in the strain of vulgar flattery that too many of his countrymen find available in their intercourse with Americans. He therefore chose to be true to himself as a sincere friend of our people, and to offer some suggestions which it seemed desirable for them to ponder. As a life-long student of social progress, he did not PREFACE. 7 think American society liad reached the final stage of that prog- ress — and he said so. He thought the great ideal of American life — action, enterprise, work — neither a permanent nor the highest ideal of human society. The law of evolution, which has brought us up to this from a much lower condition, must carry us on still further. Work is but a means, and the highest objects of hfe are defeated when it is made an end. Wliere work becomes such a passion as to be pursued without regard to what it is/, 18S2. Dear Sir : Upon my return after a ten days' absence from home I found, through the kindness of your com- mittee, an invitation to attend the banquet to Mr. Herbert Spencer to-night. Had it been possible, I should certain- ly have done so, notwithstanding the distance and other engagements. I admire and, indeed, reverence so much Mr. Spencer's intellectual and moral greatness, that I should have through life esteemed it a most pleasant memory to meet him and joined in doing him honor. I had arranged, in conjunction with some other friends of his, to make his reception in Kentucky such as would have shown the ap- preciation in which he is held ; and it was quite a dis- appointment that he was compelled to abandon his West- ern excursion. I trust that I may yet have the privilege of meeting him, here or in England. Respectfully yours, George M. Davie. Dr. W. J. YouMANS, Secretary of Committee. New York City, 208 Fifth Avenue, November 6^ 1882. My dear Sir : I am in receipt of your cordial invita- tion addressed to me, as a student of psychology, to join in a complimentary dinner to Mr. Herbert Spencer, and accept the same with the greatest pleasure. Socrates, in the " Phsedo," is made to quote to Simmias 90 THE SPENCER BANQUET. and Cebes the old saying in the mysteries, '* Many are the thyrsus-bearers, but few are the mystics," meaning, as he interprets the words, "the true philosophers." These words are true for all times, not less for the present than for the days of the great opponent of the Sophists. They are peculiarly true for that department of philosophy which we are accustomed to call psychology, a science which stands second to none in the importance of its re- lations to the progress of universal knowledge. We have had opportunities to honor men eminent in various branches of physics, to celebrate the achievements of those who have made priceless contributions to politics, economics, and the other sociological sciences, but I do not remember that we in this city ever have had occasion to testify in any public manner our appreciation of a master in psychology. True, in Mr. Spencer we have pretty much all the virtues combined (except reverence for our time-honored methods of practical politics) ; but, while we honor him as a universal philosopher, let us not forget that we are doing homage to the greatest psy- chologist of modern times — indeed, I believe I am justi- fied in saying, the greatest in the world's history. This is no place to vindicate Mr. Spencer's claims, but I think his peculiar merit lies in the fact that he has ap- plied the law of evolution with its consequent methods to mental phenomena, and read the history of the develop- ment of those phenomena in the light of that law. The effect of this application has been twofold : in the first place, in showing that the laws of mental development in the individual, through association and representation, are but laws of evolutional differentiation and redintegration, and thus to be subsumed under the more general law of evolution which applies alike to the inorganic, the or- ganic, and the superorganic worlds ; in the second place, in showing how the progress of each individual mind is but an intermediate link in the general development of mind from the very lowest limits of organic nature, thus adding and making necessary to a true and complete mental science the whole realm of objective and compara- tive psychology, and connecting thereby the sciences of mind with those of material nature. It can scarcely be estimated how much this must contribute to the unifica- LETTER FROM FRED. W. HINRICHS. 91 tion of knowledge. And this magnificent service Mr. Spencer has rendered. His work marks a new epoch in psychological science. I am, my dear sir, very respectfully yours, Daniel Gkeenleaf Thompson. Dr. W. J. YouMANs, Secretary of Committee. New York, November 9, 1882. My dear Sir : The invitation of your committee to the complimentary dinner to Mr. Herbert Spencer reached me in due course. I have waited until now to reply, hoping that circumstances would so shape themselves that I could send my acceptance. My admiration for the distinguished Englishman whom you meet to honor is so great and unqualified that I write my regrets with more than disappointment. As a member of a church, I can still read Mr. Sj)eneer's com- ments on the " creeds outworn " with the greatest spirit- ual profit. None but the most unobservant will deny that Herbert Spencer has done more than any other living man to modify the prevailing popular religious notions — I believe, very much for the better of the Church and hu- manity in general. My desire to meet Mr. Spencer is not only strong by reason of my earnest admiration for the man, but is, I may say, painfully curious, on account of the perplexing condition of mind into which he has plunged me as to various philosophical and political subjects. Brought up, as I was, by an old Scotch professor, in the school which holds that we have a separate, distinct, and lively factor, called " intuition," in our intellectual and moral make-up, which discloses to us absolute truths, quite independent of experience, I still cling, in philoso- phy as in religion, to the early lessons of ray youth. But my judgment can not but recognize the tremendous force of the arguments advanced by the school of " experience." We are all, perhaps, unconsciously drifting toward a 92 THE SPENCER BANQUET. general and complete accei^tance of Herbert Spencer's philosophy, with its feiv postulates and its rigid logic. Our national policy has almost uninterruptedly fa- vored a protection, so called, of home industries. Some- times I fear that the tendency toward the realization of a paternal form of government in other directions is very decided. Our economic system, clubbed by some the " American system," demands that the Government foster, yea, even bring into being, "infant industries," which^ we know can exist only at the expense of all, for the benefit of the few. In educational circles a like spirit of protecting the citizen against himself, or his own im- providence, prevails, and seems to be growing from year to year. The only reason, or excuse, for jniblic education is entirely lost sight of. As a member of the Brooklyn Board of Education, I hear frequent mention of the im- mediate pressing necessity for hie/her education at the public cost. The elementary education for all classes, which is generally regarded as indispensable for the safety of the republic, and as a proper police regulation, is neglected for that something called a higher education. The advocates of the latter forget that only the favored few can afford to spend sufficient time to avail themselves of the high-school or free college ; that such favored few can generally well afford to jm^/ for their schooling ; that in not paying for said schooling they are being supported by the community at large, including the poorest, who, though not directly contributing to the tax-fund, are yet indirectly, by the enhanced cost of living, suffering from the burden of improper taxation. The advocates of this higher education, above all things, forget that, to assist a man to stand %t^ho is very loell able to stand alone, is to weaken him. The self-reliance and energy which we possess as a people or a race, as Mr. Spencer has taught us in more ways than one, are due to the fact that we have generally been left alone "to work out our own salvation." " The Proper Sphere of Government " and Mr. Spen- cer's works on education have so affected my mind that it baffles me at times to see intelligent men insisting upon increasing the functions of government, and upon rob- bing the people of their most lasting and valuable educa- LETTER FROM W. D. LE SUEUR. 93 tion acquired only in the school of self-culture and self- reliance. I do now most heartily believe that Herbert Spencer's presence with us will make his influence felt more than ever, and that his words will be " as leaven to leaven the whole lump " of our political and social life. Very sincerely, etc., Feed. W. Hineichs. Dr. W. J. YouMANS, Secretary of Gommiitee, Ottawa, November S, 1882. Dear Sie : I thank you very much for the invitation you have kindly sent me to take part in a comiDlimentary dinner to be given to Mr. Herbert Spencer on the 9th instant. Circumstances, I regret to say, will render it impossible for me to be present on the occasion in ques- tion ; but I beg to assure you of my hearty sympathy with the object the committee have in view, of paying honor to one who stands forth incontestably as the fore- most philosopher of the age. It is now many years since Mr. Spencer's writings first fascinated me by their logical vigor, their breadth of de- sign, and their sustained elevation of moral tone and pur- pose. To my youthful enthusiasm he appeared the one man in the whole world who was fully equipped to fight the intellectual battles of the time — a kind of Mr. Great- heart, under whose powerful protection humble pilgrims might journey in safety to a land of light and truth. And though, as I have hinted, some years have passed since then, and I have learned to do justice to other he- roes of thought, I am not sure that my youthful enthusi- asm was so far astray. What has chiefly interested me in Mr. Spencer's phi- losophy has always been its claim to lay the foundations for a rational system of human morality. I do not say the foundations of morality ; for these it does not rest with any man to lay. The scheme of things under which 94: THE SPENCER BANQUET. we live eitlier provides, or does not provide, for morality as the developed form of human conduct. If it does not, and if such morality as has heretofore existed in the world has been but a by-product, as it were, of transient theological systems, not the natural result of social action and reaction, then indeed is the lot of humanity a most unhappy one. If, on the other hand, there is that in the constitution of things which not only " makes for right- eousness," but leads up to a love of righteousness for its own sake, then the highest service which any thinker can render to a doubting age is to bring the fact clearly to view ; in the words of Lucretius — " E tenebris . . . tarn clarum extollere lumen — " so lighting up forces, as the poet goes on most happily to remark, the true advantages of life. This is a case in which much depends upon whether we are conscious of the rule of nature's working. It is one thing for the forces of nature to act upon beings unconscious of their drift or principle, and quite another for them to act upon a race of intelligent co-operators. To produce such a race is the aim, and I fully believe is the tendency, of all Mr. Spencer's writings. The world is half-conscious of this already — it will be more fully conscious of it by- and-by ; and the fame of Mr. Spencer will rest secure on the basis not only of his splendid intellectual gifts and achievements, but of his broad sympathy with humanity, and his lofty conception of the destinies of our race. Believe me, dear sir, with great personal regard, Yours very faithfully, W. D. Le Sueur. Dr. W. J. YouMANS, Secretary of Committee. LETTER FROM WILMOT L. WARREN. 95 Springfield Repcrlican, Springfield, Mass., Novemher 7, 1882. My dear Sir : It will give me great pleasure to share in the opportunity to do honor to Mr. Herbert Spencer, as proposed in your kind invitation of the 27th ultimo. No man has more powerfully and healthfully stimu- lated the thoughtful minds of this generation, and espe- cially of its younger portion. In sociology, especially as regards the tendencies of modern political life, and in the great field of education, so important in this country where education is undertaken by the state, we ow^e to him a great debt. The next generation, reaping the fruit of the seed which he has sown, will probably realize this more keenly then the present. Hoping you will pardon the unavoidable delay and haste of this acknowledgment, I remain, your obedient servant, WiLMOT L. Warken. Dr. W, J. YOLMANS, Secrdary of Committee. Holly Hills, Maryland, Novemher 6, 1882. My dear Sir : Be so good as to accept for yourself, and present to the other members of the committee, my sincere thanks for the invitation to the dinner to be given to Mr. Herbert Spencer at Delmonico's on the 9th instant. Nothing, I am sure, but the fact that Mr. Spencer came to the United States for rest and health, with his expressed desire that his visit might be one of quiet observation, has prevented such public demonstrations of the esteem in which he is held personally and as a writer, on this side of the Atlantic, as have very rarely been bestowed upon distinguished visitors. Mr. Spencer is eminently a teacher in whom there is no guile, and thousands of those who differ radically with him in his religious views, and w^ho can not quite folloy/ him in some of his philosophic teach- ings, greatly honor him for his independence and upright- 96 THE SPENCER BANQUET. ness, for the clearness and vigor of his style, the ability with which he presents his own doctrines, and the fair- ness of his treatment of opponents. I have great admiration of him, and sincerely regret that my engagements at home prevent me from being present. Very truly yours, Hugh McCulloch. Dr. W. J. YODMANS, Secretary of Committee. 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