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FRANKEL NEw York THE specific question which has been put to me by the Secretary of the National Association for the Study and Prevention of Tuberculosis is the following: Is it possible to devise a system of insurance in the United States which will undertake to compensate individuals who may be afflicted with tuberculosis, insure them the means of livelihood during their illness, and pro- vide necessary treatment in Sanatoria, etc.? The paper will confine itself to this specific proposition, indicating incidentally the methods in vogue in other countries. - The proposal of an insurance against tuberculosis is not altogether novel in the United States. In a paper read by the writer before the New York State Conference of Charities and Correction in 1901, entitled “Coöperation and Health Insurance for Consumptives,” the effort was made to illustrate what was being done in Germany to care for individuals afflicted with tuberculosis, and to point out the preventive measures which had been introduced through the German system of insurance to prevent invalidity resulting from this disease. Attention was called in this paper to the fact that Mr. Frederick L. Hoffman had presented a paper at the British Congress on Tuberculosis in July, 1900, in which he arrived at the conclusion that it would be financially impossible and otherwise inexpedient for so-called industrial insurance companies to erect and maintain Sanatoria for the treatment of tuberculosis. It was Mr. Hoff- man’s opinion that it was not within the range of remote possibility that industrial insurance companies would become interested in the Sanatorium treatment of their consumptive policy-holders. It may be mentioned here that at the same meeting referred to Sir John Burdon Sanderson, speaking on the same topic, expressed his belief that an insurance system, such as had been developed in Germany, was not practicable in either England or America, and indicated that whatever steps might be taken in the direction of insur- ing individuals against tuberculosis would have to be accomplished through some voluntary insurance Scheme. 2 INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS It is interesting to note in this connection that since Sir John Burdon Sanderson's utterance on this question, England has taken two exceedingly drastic steps in its social legislation, similar to those previously instituted in Germany and in other European countries. We need only mention the work- men's compensation act, which, in its final form, makes it obligatory upon employers throughout England to indemnify employees for industrial accidents, and the even more radical legislation, under which old age pensions are guar- anteed to English workmen at a certain age and under certain limitations. It should, furthermore, be mentioned, merely as a commentary on the above opinions, and as an indication of the rapid growth and change of sentiment in the United States, that a fraternal insurance order, the Modern Woodmen of America, has established a sanatorium for the treatment of its tuberculous members; that another order, the Arbeiterring, and a labor union, the Brooklyn Federation of Labor, have the erection of Sanatoria in contemplation, and that even an industrial insurance company, the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, has made application to the Insurance Department of New York for the erection of a sanatorium in which treatment may be given both to employees and to policy-holders. In pursuance of this thought, the same in- dustrial insurance company is organizing a nursing service for its sick industrial policy-holders, with special reference to their care if afflicted with tuberculosis. In addition, it is distributing literature to its policy-holders calling attention to the nature and cause of tuberculosis, its prevention, and cure. - Medical authorities on the subject of tuberculosis have likewise been insis- tent upon the development of some plan which might insure treatment of tuber- culosis to workmen and others. In a paper presented by Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf on “Life Insurance in its Relation to the Prevention of Tuberculosis”, at the meeting of the American Association of Medical Examiners in Atlantic City, N.J., in June, 1909, this important matter was adverted to, and the same authority has in his recent publication, and in other pamphlets, laid stress upon the necessity of such a scheme for the comprehensive eradication of the white plague. At the meeting of the International Congress on Tuberculosis held in Washington in 1908 papers were presented by German authorities, who had been actively engaged in the tuberculosis campaign, illustrating the methods in vogue in that country, and showing how such an insurance plan tended not only to the reduction of mortality from the disease, to the limitation of the period of illness, but, of more importance, demonstrated the preventive measures instituted under such insurance schemes for the prevention and the eradication of the disease. LEE K. FRANKEL 3 PRESENT METHODS OF TREATMENT, PREVENTION, AND CURE IN THE UNITED STATES From the standpoint of a wise public policy, there are inherent objections to the method in vogue in the United States for the eradication of tuberculosis, and even against the methods in use for cure and treatment. While the recog- nition of tuberculosis as a social disease is comparatively recent, the knowledge that it is not only preventable, but curable under certain conditions, has spread rapidly. The application of this knowledge has become the task of individuals and associations in many cities and towns. For those who are in a position to pay, Sanatoria have been erected in which the best and most approved treat- ment can be obtained. The peculiarity of the disease, in that it requires not days or weeks, but months and even years for its cure, makes such a course impossible for the great mass of workingmen and women in the United States. It can safely be stated that in a comparatively small percentage of instances is the workman afflicted with consumption able, out of earlier savings, to support his family, and at the same time pay for treatment in the average sanatorium, conducted for the purposes of profit. To overcome this difficulty, public-spirited individuals have constructed Sanatoria as philanthropies, in which treatment for tuberculosis is given either at a comparatively low cost, or free of cost to individuals unable to pay. Following in the wake of private beneficence, a number of States have erected Sanatoria for the cure of indigent and semi-indigent citizens, in which, similarly, treatment may be obtained either without cost or at a nominal cost. The disadvantage of any such plan rests upon the fact that inherently the workman is a Self-respecting individual who does not desire to be considered an object of charity. For this reason he refuses to become the beneficiary of a philanthropic enterprise which, in its last analysis, borders on the charitable. It is admitted by public and semi-public hospitals, mana- gers of Sanatoria, and dispensaries, that not all tuberculous individuals are reached by them, notwithstanding efforts made to supply proper treatment. In many instances this is due to fear on the part of the afflicted individual; to a dislike to have his affliction become known, and even to unwillingness on his part to believe that he is a sufferer from tuberculosis. Physicians and social workers who have had experience with this class will testify that there is a repugnance on the part of workingmen and women to accept treatment which puts them in the same category with the pauper and the vagrant. Instances could be cited where treatment in public hospitals has been deliber- ately refused by tuberculous patients because of unwillingness to come in 4 INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS contact with a degraded element, who frequently, through viciousness, intem- perance, and vagrancy, have become tubercular and incidentally public charges. Knowledge on the part of the sufferer that he is classified with the derelict, the incompetent, and the shiftless frequently repels him from making use of agencies at hand either under the auspices of private or public benevolence, in which treatment may be obtained. If a comprehensive movement for the cure and prevention of tuberculosis is to be brought about which is to be of service to all consumptive individuals in the community, and which shall be ethical, such a movement must be based on the principle that treatment shall be given, not as a privilege, but as a right; that it shall be offered not as an act of charity, but as a benefit, to which the recipient is entitled, having made contributions prior to his illness to the fund from which the benefits are paid. In substance, that the move- ment shall be based upon insurance principles, and not upon public benefi- cence or private good will. - In its essentials, insurance of any kind depends upon the willingness of individuals to contribute to a common fund to be utilized for the purpose of protection, against death, sickness, accident, invalidity, old age, or any unfore- seen contingency. The individuals constituting such a group, technically, the insurance company, or association, realize at the time they join that for the payments which they make they will be entitled to certain benefits when certain contingencies arise. This, in a nutshell, is the fundamental difference between the benefits of insurance and the gifts of philanthropy. The one must be accepted as a favor; the other may be demanded as a right. VOLUNTARY INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS Any discussion of insurance against tuberculosis in the United States must be based on the possibilities of developing an insurance plan which shall be voluntary in character. It has been assumed by legislators and others that any scheme which involves obligation or compulsion would be obnoxious to the underlying principles of the constitution; that proposals leading toward a compulsory plan would not receive consideration at the hands of legislators, or even, if such legislation might be effected, its subse- quent enforcement would be impossible. In the logical development of the question the possibilities of existing insurance companies would be the first to be considered. At the outset, it may be stated that there is no fundamental reason why private insurance companies, either stock or mutual, industrial or ordinary, should not under- take to insure their policy-holders against tuberculosis, that is, to insure them LEE K. FRANKEL 5 treatment and other benefits in case they are afflicted. As an academic insur- ance proposition, such a Scheme involves only the question of the amount of premiums to be charged the respective policy-holders. As a practical propo- sition, it would in all likelihood be found that the cost to the policy-holders would be high and might even be prohibitive. The difficulty lies primarily in the fact that an insurance company advertising to insure its policy-holders against tuberculosis would inevitably have what in insurance parlance is called an adverse selection. In other words, the individual with good ancestry and family history, who found himself in excellent condition of health and who had the impression that there was little likelihood of his becoming afflicted with tuberculosis, would have little desire or inclination to become a policy-holder. On the other hand, in a voluntary company, the policy- holders would be made up largely of men and women who had reason to believe that they had an inherent predisposition toward the disease; that past illnesses and present state of health might make them liable to be afflicted with tuberculosis in the future, or that they were already on the road to become sufferers. An insurance Company undertaking to insure policy-holders against tuber- culosis could in a sense protect itself against this adverse and invidious selection in certain definite ways: I. It might require all applicants to submit themselves to a rigid medical examination, and in this wise it could exclude all who could not conform to certain medical standards. 2. It might require all policy- holders to pay premiums for a definite specified time—say, six months, a year, or even two years—before they would be eligible to the benefits offered in the contract. 3. It might limit the benefits given during the earlier years either to reduced amounts or to treatment for a shorter term. While such a scheme may suffice as an insurance proposition purely, it would not accomplish the end desired in the treatment of tuberculosis as a social disease. The very process of exclusion above outlined would remove from the activities of such an in- surance company individuals most likely to be afflicted with tuberculosis, would stop treatment at the time when it was most desirable that it be continued and, by limiting benefits other than treatment, such as, for example, the support of the individual’s family during the period of illness, would only accentuate the social conditions which retard recovery. Ordinarily, associations and insurance companies who undertake to insure their members and policy-holders against sickness must contend with the evils of simulation on the part of their members, which greatly increases the expense to the organization. The loss arising from this source would probably be negligible if such an insurance company would confine itself to tuberculosis 6 INSURANCE AGAINST TUEERCULOSIS only and not extend its field of activity to other illnesses. Tuberculosis, today, is a fairly well-defined disease, and its diagnosis can be made by the average practitioner. Simulation, for this reason, would be limited in extent, and, as a matter of fact, an insurance scheme against tuberculosis would differ from insurance schemes against general sickness in that it would be the aim of the insurance company or association to give treatment even where the diagnosis was in doubt. It is possible that the cost of administration in an insurance company or association, national in character, would be higher than in a local one. It appears likely, from the experience obtained, particularly in Germany, as indicated hereafter, that the development of sickness insurance in the United States, and, in particular, of insurance against tuberculosis, which shall give treatment during illness to the beneficiary, and cash benefits for the support of his family during his illness, will evolve through local organizations, rather than through State or national associations. Insurance against tuberculosis through voluntary associations may be con- sidered from another viewpoint. It is well accepted today in European legis- lation, and beginning to be recognized in the United States, that industry is chargeable to a certain degree with accidents occurring therein, and that the employer should assume certain responsibility in meeting claims for indemnity arising from industrial accidents. As a result of this theory, European coun- tries have departed from the old employers' liability theory, with its doctrine of contributory negligence, assumption of risk, etc., and in their legislation have adopted either a plan of workmen’s compensation or of insurance against accidents for workmen without requiring proof on the part of the latter that injury was caused by the employer’s negligence. This theory has been ex- tended in certain countries not only to include industrial accidents, but occu- pation diseases, and compensation is granted for the latter as well as the former. It would not be stretching this theory too far to assume that in certain instances tuberculosis may be considered an occupation disease. Long hours of work, not under the best Sanitary conditions, frequently bring about a con- dition where the individual is readily susceptible to the germs of tuberculosis. It may be contended that along with accidents, industry should be held liable for tuberculosis arising through it. The modern trend of a more highly devel- oped social instinct in industry leads to the assumption that it would not be amiss or out of place for employers of labor to coöperate with their workmen in devising schemes of insurance which shall guard them against tuberculosis. In many large industrial enterprises this attempt is already being made, through the organizations of sick benefit Societies whose purpose is to give medical and other assistance to their sick members. Large labor organizations in the LEE K. FRANKEL 7 United States make provision for members who become ill, and, as stated above, have even gone so far as to establish Sanatoria for their treatment. An enlightened public sentiment could probably be aroused through a persistent social campaign, which would materially increase the number of employers of labor willing to join with their employees in meeting the cost of an insurance scheme against tuberculosis. Through the medium of associations, such as the National Association of Manufacturers, who are studying the possi- bilities of a voluntary organization, made up of members of the association to insure indemnity to their workmen in case of accident, it may be possible to develop a similar insurance Scheme against tuberculosis. There can be no objection to such a scheme. That its benefits would be far-reaching there can be no doubt. Its inherent shortcoming would be the one demonstrated by the experience of European countries. Wherever voluntary systems of this kind have been introduced, either through the industries themselves, as has been frequently done, or with the coöperation and subsidy of the State, in no case have they reached the great masses of men and women. Where there are in- telligent direction and conscientious and altruistic employers, or where there is an organization of labor, competent to deal with the situation, it has been found practicable to extend material benefit in sickness to thousands of work- ingmen. But the small employer with limited financial ability has not been influenced, nor has the unorganized and unskilled laborer been provided for. The value of any scheme of insurance against tuberculosis, since it is a social disease, readily transmissible, lies not so much in being able to insure a selected number of individuals, but in the development of a comprehensive plan which shall undertake to insure all individuals and to guarantee them treatment if they become ill. It is only through such a comprehensive scheme that we may hope to realize the belief of authorities on the subject that tuberculosis may eventually be eradicated. It should be remarked here that at the International Congress on Social Insurance held in Rome in 1908, it was the consensus of opinion of the delegates from the various European countries present, and it was freely admitted even by those who, for years, had been exponents of volun- tary insurance, that all efforts to reach the mass of the people through any voluntary insurance scheme had been unavailing. Even the delegates from Italy and France, who for years had firmly and persistently opposed the intro- duction of the principle of compulsion, freely admitted their conversion, since voluntary insurance had been found insufficient to meet the needs of the great public of working people in their respective countries. This naturally brings us to the question of a compulsory system of insurance against tuberculosis. In Europe, particularly in the Germanic countries, com- 8 INSTURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS pulsion is not a code of mandatory laws, but the highest development of an ethical principle. “Compulsion”, or preferably “obligation”, in Germany and Austria, in Luxemburg, and in some of the other more northern countries, implies the recognition of a responsibility which rests on all citizens alike; namely, the responsibility of providing against the ordinary risks of life. Compulsion, as understood by the more enlightened in these countries, is not coercion. It is not a policeman with his club. It is not a form of benevolent paternalism foisted on an unwilling public by the powers that are made possi- ble by centuries of education in military discipline and obedience. Mandatory legislation is not an attribute of a monarchic or despotic form of government. It is known even in a republic. In fact, it is fundamental in our theory of government that the minority must bow to the will of the majority in all that affects the common welfare. The essential difference between the United States and countries in which compulsory insurance has obtained a foothold is the absence of recognition of any need for this form of protection for its inhabitants, and particularly for those nearest to the border-line between economic dependence and economic independence. In certain instances we have adopted the compulsory principle in our own legislation. Under the laws of nearly all States the support of wife and children is made obligatory on the husband and father. Deliberate neglect of this obligation is classed as a misdemeanor and in one State, at least, neglect to support and abandonment of children by the parent have been made a felony. There are many statutes which direct the acts a citizen may perform, but there are as many others which explicitly forbid other acts of commission or omis- sion. The police laws of most States restrict individual action within certain definite limits, and forbid voluntary initiative which may adversely affect public health, public Safety, or the public weal. Laws are being enacted daily, miscalled socialistic or paternal, which on closer analysis are found to be no more than an expression of intention on the part of the State to safeguard the welfare of all citizens, irrespective of their economic status. Fundamentally, no more than this has been done in Germany and other European countries which have introduced compulsory insurance. These have recognized that there are risks in life, common to all workmen, which it is impossible for the individual workman alone to make provision against. Only by the transfer of this risk from the shoulders of the one to the backs of the many and by placing the burden of cost where it should rest, even though this involve the industry itself, can equilibrium be maintained. In other words, where we, after an observation of a century, and England for several centuries, have grudgingly admitted the desirability of protection through insurance, and LEE K. FRANKEL 9 through legislation have permitted individuals to avail themselves of the bene- fits of it, Europe, as typified by Germany and her sister States, has boldly declared the urgent need of this protection, not for the few, but for all of its working population, and by legislation has required its workingmen to partake of it, and its employers to bear their just share of the cost. At the time the sickness insurance law was introduced there existed in Germany hundreds of small sickness insurance societies, which were taken into account by the law and were utilized as the vehicles through which sickness insurance might be afforded to workingmen. The remarkable development of thirty years has shown that, contrary to expectation, sickness insurance can be the best administered not through small organizations, but rather through large centralized societies, which have within themselves the power to bring about efficient administration to create machinery to prevent simulation, to give necessary treatment, and to develop preventive measures. This growth of the last thirty years is mentioned here particularly for the reason that the results obtained will probably point a way to similar movements in the United States. The experience which Germany has obtained through the conduct of its sickness societies can today be availed of by other countries. The ex- perience of Leipzig and Dresden is valuable material and a guide to American cities. It will not be amiss to devote a portion of this paper to a slight explan- ation of what these cities are doing. In each of the above cities there is at present but one sickness insurance Society. In each instance the society is an aggregate of Smaller ones which have been consolidated and centralized into one compact organization. The society collects from employers the necessary premiums, both the employer and employee contributing to the same. When sickness occurs among the members, the Society provides medical attendance, medicine, Surgical appliances, and, if necessary, treatment in hospitals, etc. In addition, it gives sick- ness benefits to the family of the member, dependent upon the premium payments which are based upon the member’s earnings. Naturally, under the head of sickness insurance tuberculosis has been one of the most important questions confronting the Society, and it is fair to say that the question has been promptly and properly handled. The effort is made to reach every case of incipient tuberculosis as it arises. In the realization that he is entitled to treatment each workman a member of the club avails himself of his rights, knowing that he will be given immediate care and attention, and that, incidentally, should he be required to go to a sanatorium, his family will be looked after. Every effort is made on the part of the society in connection with the invalidity insurance department IO INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS to prevent a sick member from becoming incapacitated, since, if this occurs, it means that a pension must be granted during the period of disability. To prevent this and to restore the member to economic efficiency at the earliest date the Society does not hesitate at radical measures. Members may be sent to health resorts and even to other countries if such treatment spells cure, at the expense of the society, all with the thought of restoring the individual to health at the earliest possible moment. Similarly, in con- nection with the invalidity department, sanatorium treatment is given for all consumptive members, and, it should be repeated again, this treatment is given not as a privilege, but as a right of the member based upon the fact that he has been a contributor to the society’s funds. In the realization that the prevention of tuberculosis means more than treatment the society, which includes members not only within the corporate limits, but in the Suburbs, carries on an extensive campaign in the direction of the prevention of tuberculosis. Lectures are held at periodic intervals, literature of all kinds is distributed, and exhibits, showing the nature, char- acter, and methods of the prevention of the disease are permanently estab- lished. The physicians who work for the Society are expected to report every case in which they find the patient to be suffering from incipient tuber- culosis, or where they suspect the disease may develop. It may be of interest to cite some of the statistics of the society, particularly as they will bear upon the question of the introduction of similar organi- zations in the United States. The Leipzig sickness insurance club was organized as early as 1887, absorbing and displacing about twenty Smaller societies. From the beginning, its jurisdiction was not confined to the limits of the city itself, and today its operation extends to the 42 suburbs within a radius of six kilometers. Its membership at the close of 1908 was 161,051, of whom approximately one-third were women. Of the total num- ber, 15,000 were voluntary members. Nearly every industry or trade is represented. The management, in spite of the large membership, is demo- cratic. As in most local Societies, directors are elected at a general meeting held once a year. Among other benefits, the members receive the following: I. Free medical attendance from the first day of sickness, together with medicines, trusses, crutches, and other such appliances. 2. In case of disablement, cash benefits up to as high as fifteen marks per week for a period of thirty-four weeks, beginning after the Second day. 3. In place of the foregoing, free treatment in a clinic, hospital, or home LEE K. FRANKEL II for convalescents. In this case a cash benefit is given the patient’s family equal to two-thirds of the usual cash benefit. 4. Free medical attendance and medicines to families of members for a maximum period of thirteen weeks. In the year 1908 free medical attendance and its benefits were granted in 70,703 separate cases of illness. The total number of days of sickness was 1,697,796, an average of twenty-four days for each sickness; 5708 sicknesses were under four weeks’ and 1290 over four weeks’ duration; Io,006 members received treatment in hospitals at the expense of the Society; 41o physicians are employed, each member being permitted free choice among them, unless he requires attendance at his home, when the physician practising in the neighborhood must be selected. In addition, the Society employs 137 special- ists, 23 dentists, 55 druggists, and 20 opticians. The Society has at its disposal three convalescent homes, one of which, at Augustusbad, contains 200 beds. Of special interest is the Society’s campaign of prevention among its members, aimed especially at tuberculosis. The physicians employed by the society are instructed to report the origin, treatment, and process of each case of tuberculosis under their care, and to notify the management of all cases which would seem to require Sanatorium treatment. Of I390 tuber- culous members in 1908, 745 were thus taken care of. In a remarkably large percentage of cases either a complete or partial cure has been effected. The society has at its disposal a day camp in the woods of Stotteritz, a suburb of Leipzig. Railway fare to and fro and luncheons are supplied by the society. - The disbursements for the year 1908 were as follows: MARKS PER CENT Medical attendance- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I,4I5,324 2I-5 Medicines and appliances.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 68o,887 IO.4. Cash benefits to members.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2,672,868 40.6 Cash benefits for families of members. . . . . . . . . . I59,345 2.4. Cash benefits for women after confinement..... I24,74I I.9 Funeral benefits---------------------------- I55,813 2.4 To hospitals, Sanatoria, etc... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 608,637 9.3 Managing expenses------------------------- 573,336 8.7 Other disbursements. -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I86,407 2.8 Total.--------------------------------- 6,577,378 IOO.o . Of possibly even more importance is a study which has been made of the mortality and morbidity of the Leipzig Society by the Imperial Statistical Department. These studies comprise four large volumes of statistics, and were carried out in the usual exhaustive manner in which German investi- gations are undertaken. It is impossible to reproduce more than a few of I 2 INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS these figures, which will bring out most pertinently one of the conclusions arrived at above, namely: the adverse selection which is made against a Society working on a voluntary plan. The department made a separate study of the male and female members, and of those insured under the obligatory law and those who insured themselves voluntarily. The compulsorily insured hereafter will be designated as Group A, and the voluntarily insured as Group B. Of the males insured in Group A, 347,725,923 days at risk were considered, which, divided by 365, gave 952,674 individuals under observation for a period of one year. In this group, 376,809 cases of illness occurred, or 39.6 cases and 854.9 days of illness for every Ioo members. The deaths in this group numbered 7228, or 765 per Ioo,000 members. Only 1.2 per cent of the mem- bership was under fifteen years of age; over 91 per cent. was between fifteen and fifty years of age. For male members in Group B, 15,976,508 days at risk were studied, giving 43,771 individuals under observation for a period of one year; 34,370 cases of illness were Cared for, giving 78.5 cases and 2860.2 days of illness for each Ioo members. The deaths numbered I426, or 3258 per Ioo,ooo members. It will be seen from these figures that the number of cases of illness, days of illness, and the number of deaths were much higher in Group B than those in Group A. The same fact holds true for the women members. The days at risk in Group A were 94,747,306, and in Group B Io,420,266, representing 259,582 and 28,549 individuals respectively. Cases of sickness in the former were Io8,524, and in the latter 19, IoS. Calculated on the basis of Ioo members, this gives cases of sickness in Group A, 41.8 and in Group B, 66.9. The days of illness per Ioo members in Group A were Iogo.3, and in Group B 2439. Even more illuminating are the deaths. The total number of deaths among women in Group A was 1380 and in Group B, 450, or per Ioo,000 members, 532 for Group A and 1576 for Group B. The above statistics are for all forms of illness occurring during the period of observation. Among the male members who were insured in Group A, 7345 cases of tuberculosis were found, and among those insured in Group B, 1389. Days of illness from tuberculosis in Group A were 591, IIo, and in Group B, 133,938, giving a duration in Group A of 80.5 days and in Group B of 96.4 days. Deaths from tuberculosis in Group A numbered 2220, and in Group B, 510. On the basis of Ioo,000 members, there were 771 cases of illness in Group A and 3173 in Group B. The days of illness in Group A numbered 62,047, and in LEE K. FRANKEL I3 Group B, they numbered 305,997, whereas deaths per Ioo,ooo members in Group A were 233 and in Group B, II65. Statistics for women members are as follows: Number of cases of tuber- culosis among those insured in Group A was 1637, and in Group B, 445. In Group A the days of illness were 131,882; in Group B, 37,574. The duration of illness in Group A was 80.6 days; in Group B, 84.4 days. Deaths in Group A were 549 and in Group B, 175. On the basis of Ioo,000 mem- bers, the cases of illness in Group A were 631, and in Group B, I559. Days of illness were 50,806 in Group A, and I31,612 in Group B. Deaths in Group A were 211; in Group B, 613. - It appears evident, from what has been said regarding the development of the Leipzig insurance scheme, that a plan of insurance which requires all individuals to become participants in the scheme lends itself most readily to a comprehensive development not only for treatment, but for prevention of sickness and of tuberculosis in particular. This fact is given even greater weight by the statistics cited, showing the additional expense per member which is imposed upon any voluntary organization by reason of the adverse Selection which is made against it by its members. Naturally, cost is an important item in the consideration of any insurance scheme. Where this cost is distributed over the population generally, it falls with comparatively little weight upon each individual in the group. Where the cost rests upon the shoulders of a few, who by a process of self-selection are individuals more apt to become afflicted with tuberculosis or with disease, as is evidenced by the returns from the Leipzig Society, the cost to each individual may become prohibitive. European experience has demonstrated, at least to the satisfaction of experts in that country, that only a compulsory plan fully covers the situation. It does not seem at all likely that any such scheme can be introduced into the United States, even assuming that the constitutional problems involved could be overcome. It is the belief of able legislators and lawyers that there are features in our constitution which would prohibit any scheme of insurance compelling either the employer or the employee to pay definite premiums for such insurance. It is believed that any such regulation would conflict with the proviso in the constitution under which the property of an individual may not be taken from him without due process of law. On the other hand, it is equally true that this provision in the constitution as applied to a compulsory insurance plan has never been the subject of judicial review, and until it is presented before a court of last resort, no definite statement can be made as to whether a law, such as is suggested, would be constitutional or not. I4 INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS Aside from this fact, however, it is questionable whether thinking people of the United States would desire legislation along compulsory lines. The entire tendency here has been to allow individuals a certain amount of free choice, and not to introduce more paternalism into the government than abso- lutely required. - - If compulsory legislation, such as has been adopted by Germany, is, there- fore, not a matter of the immediate future, the thought naturally arises whether a compensatory principle, such as has been suggested in case of industrial accidents, might not be applied to cases of tuberculosis arising through industry. If it can be demonstrated that, to some extent at least, tuberculosis is an occupation disease, that it results from excessive hours of labor, from unsanitary conditions in workshops, mills, and factories, from devitalization due to insufficient wages, there might be good reason for attempt— ing legislation which would impose upon industry through the employer, compensation to workmen for the consequences of industry which bring about tuberculosis. It is, however, still a question whether even the principle of compensation for industrial accidents, as recently developed in bills pre- sented in certain State legislatures, would be more constitutional than the principle of compulsory insurance. We shall probably have to wait for the enactment of workmen's compensation legislation before we can determine whether tuberculosis may be included therein as an occupation disease. There remains to be considered in what way voluntary schemes can be developed which will, to a greater extent than at present, assist in insuring individuals against the ravages of tuberculosis. Admitted, at the outset, that such a scheme has decided limitations, in that it will not reach the great bulk of workingmen and women, as has been amply demonstrated in other countries, it must not, therefore, be assumed that, by reason of this failure, efforts to extend voluntary insurance should not be developed as fully as possible. Existing agencies, such as labor unions, fraternal orders, establish- ment funds, and insurance companies can materially enlarge their present sphere of activities by adding to the sick or death benefits which they give special treatment for consumptives, either through physicians, nurses, or in sanatoria. Whether cash benefits can be given during invalidity is a question of obtaining a morbidity experience, and the ability of the members or policy- holders to meet the necessary charges. In addition, any of the above-men- tioned agencies may coöperate with antituberculosis associations in the United States, or on their own initiative may undertake a campaign of education to instruct their constituencies regarding the care and prevention of tuberculosis. Sickness insurance even on voluntary lines has had but very limited develop- LEE K. FRANKEI, I5 ment in the United States, aside from sporadic efforts made by labor unions, fraternal orders, and mutual benefit societies connected with industrial estab- lishments. Any concerted or comprehensive attempt to introduce sickness insurance is as yet unknown. Any such effort on the part of a municipality, such as has been developed in Leipzig, Dresden, and Vienna, has not even been thought of in the United States. It is true that the splendid develop- ment in these cities is primarily due to the fact that the majority of members of the sickness Societies are required by law to be insured. It may be assumed, however, in view of the enlightened public sentiment developing in the United States and the efforts that are being made on all sides to fight tuberculosis, that municipalities and towns might organize similar insurance Societies either against sickness generally or tuberculosis in particular. There are reasons to believe that cities, through taxation, might accomplish the same results as those obtained in Leipzig and Dresden. The right of a municipality to tax its citizens is not denied. It is not stretching the imagination too far to suppose that a municipality might impose a tax upon its citizens, which tax should be used specifically for the cure of sufferers from tuberculosis, and to carry out preventive measures for the eradication of the disease. Such a tax might be imposed on the basis of wages, and be apportioned among employers and employees on the assumption that industry to some extent is responsible for the spread of tuberculosis. The taxes thus collected might be set aside in a special fund to be administered by a board of directors made up of representatives of labor and capital, similar to the organization of the Leipzig sickness Society. The problem of the care, treatment, cure, and prevention of tuberculosis would be placed in the hands of the board of directors. Many of the Suggestions in this paper may still appear visionary, and in all probability there is little likelihood of their development in the immediate future. Many of them were thought visionary in Europe thirty years ago, and yet today they are accepted without cavil and are in working operation in many countries with the approval of governmental officials, employers, and workmen alike. The day must come when they will receive recognition in the United States. The day has gone by when social problems may be considered purely from the standpoint of philanthropy. It is contrary to an orderly scheme of things to permit individuals to work under evil conditions, to receive insufficient wages, to subject themselves to disease, and to expect that they shall be satisfied, when they suffer from accident or disease, to receive as a privilege the dole which charity or philanthropy is permitted to hand to them. Germany realizes that the State has distinct obligations toward its citizens. Not the least of these is protection against the risks of life and I6 - INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS health incidental to our complex industrial development. It is realized that the workman alone cannot protect himself against the contingencies of life, particularly against sickness, accident, old age, and unemployment, and that opportunity must be given to him, through some insurance plan, to realize that these contingencies, when they arise, will not deprive him of the means of livelihood. Tuberculosis as a social disease must be considered as one of these contingencies. As a social disease, it is recognized that its causes in many instances are obscure; that its effects are far-reaching and affect not only the individual, but the community. That it is possible to devise an insurance scheme to meet the exigencies arising from the results of the disease there can be no doubt. Of more importance, however, is the conception that in such a scheme there shall be the opportunity to prevent tuberculosis. Precisely what system may be finally adopted in the United States is still problematic. That the subject is worthy of the consideration of the best minds and the best thought goes without saying. DISCUSSION ON DR. FRANKEL’S PAPER Mr. Frederick L. Hoffman, Newark, N. J. : The relation of life insurance to tuberculosis was quite fully discussed before this Association in 1905 in an address by Dr. Arnold C. Klebs, of Chicago, to which I was requested to reply. In the mean time I have had occasion to discuss the subject at the Philadelphia meeting of the International Tuberculosis Congress, and subsequently Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf has summarized his views and conclusions on “Life Insurance in Its Relation to the Preven- tion of Tuberculosis” in an address before the Association of Medical Examiners. Dr. Frankel reëmphasizes the conclusions of Dr. Klebs and Dr. Knopf,” and apparently it is his view that the German Government system of insurance alone offers a practical Solution. To a certain extent he is fully justi- fied in his praise of so-called German Government insurance, which, however, it is necessary to keep in mind, is not insurance in the true sense of the term, but rather a modified system of poor law administration, on the one hand, and a modified employers' liability law, on the other. The relation of this system of so-called insurance to the campaign against tuberculosis is rather involved, and not easily made clear to those who are not thoroughly familiar with the nature and function of a paternal government. Since the German Government insurance system is really a Social institution, much can be done * Medical Record, August 21, 1909. LEE K. FRANKEL I'7 in the direction of aid and relief through insurance institutions which would otherwise require to be done through the poor law administration or private charity. The heaviest burden under the German system of government insurance is the guaranteed support, in the event of invalidity or incapacity to work. Manifestly, the duration of such incapacity may extend over a long period of time. It is a widely variable element, which makes it extremely de- sirable to make use of every possible agency or method to reduce preventable sickness to a minimum. The case is totally different with life insurance Com- panies, which guarantee only the payment of a definite sum in the event of death. To life insurance companies the problem amounts simply to the question as to whether the cost of the necessary treatment will be returned to them by premium payments which they otherwise would not receive. Differ- entiating between industrial and ordinary insurance, it is obvious, in the case of the former, that the premiums, and the sums of insurance involved, are entirely too small to make it possible for a company to extend the required amount of financial aid to policy-holders suffering from tuberculosis and in need of adequate treatment for the required period of time. Estimating that the average length of treatment is not less than ninety days, and that it will cost on an average $1.5o a day, it is clear that it will take about $135 to pro- vide treatment, which would be practically the full amount of the average adult industrial policy. It requires no discussion to make it clear that no com- pany would be able to advance the full value of a policy, even though the results of the treatment could be guaranteed, which, of course, is impossible. How far it would be possible to develop a special form of tuberculosis insurance, under which, by the payment of an extra premium, a person could insure for a sum sufficient to furnish sanatoria treatment, is an open question. Aside from technical difficulties, it is also an open and important question whether the public at large would become interested in a special plan of insurance of this kind, since the much greater risk of personal accident liability has not been sufficient to develop personal accident insurance to any considerable extent among workingmen engaged in more or less dangerous trades. The most serious objection, however, is the practical certainty of adverse selection, in that applicants for tuberculosis insurance would be primarily of a class more or less predisposed to the disease. - While, in my opinion, it would not be expedient or practicable to develop a special form of tuberculosis insurance, it requires to be stated that efforts in this direction have been made by several foreign companies, to which Dr. Frankel did not call your attention. The experiments are new, but at least one of them is of particular interest. The Trygg Life Insurance Company, I8 INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS which is the largest industrial insurance company in Sweden, at the suggestion of Dr. V. Berglund established a tuberculosis insurance branch somewhat after the following plan: In return for an extra premium the insured is conditionally entitled to a sum of 250 crowns ($64.5o), payable in cash, or Sanatoria treatment for an equal amount. The sum paid is considered an advance on the sum insured, or, more properly, a lien on the policy to the amount stated. The policy must have been two years in force if without medical examination, and one year if with medical examination. The extra premium charge at ages under twenty-five is fifteen cents a week for every $250 of tuberculosis insurance, ten cents a week at ages twenty-five to thirty- five, and five cents a week at ages thirty-five and over. Tuberculosis insurance in this company must be taken out in connection with regular insurance. When a policy has been in force for a period of years there is a readjustment and, in the event that no Sanatoria treatment has been required, the amount of regular insurance is increased accordingly. The company has protected itself against extraordinary losses by the precaution that the amounts may be reduced if the claims should prove too heavy, but it has subsidized the tubercu- losis branch by a special fund out of its surplus, so that this contingency is not likely to arise. In actual practice tuberculosis insurance has not met with the approval anticipated from the industrial population. According to the last report, very few persons had actually taken advantage of the plan. The similar experience of a company in Finland, the Kaleva, has also not been satisfactory. It is also understood that a Dutch company has under- taken this form of insurance, but without much practical success. Dr. Frankel has referred to the success of the Federated Insurance Insti- tutions of the Hanse Towns, but you, of course, understand that these institu- tions fall within the scope of Government insurance, and that they are not operated upon a commercial basis. The results which have been achieved have unquestionably been of great benefit to the members, but it has never been maintained that the undertaking has been a financial success. The financial success would, under the German system, however, be a matter of secondary consideration, for the Government considers the whole system of insurance a social institution, involving State duties of protection, ameliora- tion, and relief. A few figures regarding the Hanseatic institutions may, however, be of interest. s In 1908 there were 4593 applicants for medical or other treatment, and of this number 2658 were males and 1935 were females. Since it was established in 1891 there have been 37,230 applicants, of whom 21,308 were favorably LEE K. FRANKEL I9 considered, while the others, for various reasons, were declined or refused treatment. Of the 21,308 members accepted for medical or institutional treatment, 13,692, or 64.3 per cent., suffered from tuberculosis of the lungs, and I2Oo, or 50.6 per cent., from respiratory diseases. Of the 15,584 members declined, 9589, or 61.5 per cent., Suffered from tuberculosis and other lung diseases, so that a very considerable number, for reasons not precisely stated, were refused treatment and became a charge upon the community at large or their own financial resources. The expense of treatment in these institutions has been fairly high, by German standards, and the average cost per diem for a case of Sanatoria treatment on account of tuberculosis in 1908 was 5.68 marks ($1.35) for males, and 4.34 marks ($1.03) for females. In the aggregate the net expense incurred on account of medical and institutional treatment during 1908 was 697,200 marks ($165,933.60). The results, on the whole, may be said to have been satisfactory, and a considerable proportion of the members were restored to normal wage-earning capacity. The data, however, are not as conclusive as would be desirable. What is being done in this respect by German Government insurance institutions is not being done by a single German life-insurance company. They have thoroughly considered the matter, but have come to the conclusion that, for financial and other reasons, it would not be compatible with the nature and purpose of their institution to combine philanthropy with business. It requires no involved statistical or mathematical considerations to prove that the treatment of life-insurance policy-holders suffering from tuberculosis would not be possible except in return for an extra premium, the cost of which would probably be excessive. The experiment of the Trygg, to which reference has been made, proves that the necessary extra premium, even for a very modest amount of sanatoria support, would be quite considerable. Policy-holders for large amounts can, of course, make use of the paid-up value of their Con- tracts to secure proper sanatoria treatment at their own expense. The Small average amount of industrial policies would not permit of this being done. As I had occasion to say in my address before the London Tuberculosis Con- gress in 1901, the industrial companies would not be able to recoup themselves if they were to advance to policy-holders suffering from tuberculosis the neces- sary amount required for institutional treatment. It is also extremely doubtful whether even the best possible treatment would secure the required financial results, which may be expressed in an after-lifetime of Sufficient duration to return in premium payments the average cost of Sanatoria treatment. This is not the object of the German Government or the compulsory Social insurance : 2O INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS institutions, which combine accident and sickness insurance with invalidity and old-age pensions, and other social benefits comprehended more or less erroneously under the term insurance. It cannot be too often repeated that what the German Government does in this respect is not being done by a single life insurance company in the German Empire. One of the most serious problems which would confront a life insurance company would be the difficulty of exact diagnosis. When it is considered that a negative bacteriological test of the sputum does not prove that the patient is not tubercular, we are confronted by the difficulty of finding other adequate tests to prove the presence of the disease which would entitle the applicant to institutional treatment. Dr. Frankel has referred to the British Workmen's Compensation Act of 1906, and the fact that the act includes compensation for certain forms of industrial diseases. Unfortunately, one of the most important of these diseases, that is, fibroid phthisis, is not included within the operations of the act. The law-makers of England were naturally reluctant to include compensation for industrial lung diseases, because the burden would have been an extremely heavy one upon English industry. At the same time it would seem but simple justice that if compensation is proper for lead-poisoning, anthrax, glass- blowers’ cataract, and other occupation diseases, pecuniary compensation should also be made to those who, as the result of continuous and considerable exposure to industrial dust, die prematurely from fibroid phthisis or tubercu- losis of the lungs. It may also be argued that the high degree of consumption frequency in certain trades could be materially reduced by preventive methods which would largely eliminate industrial lung disease and make compensation unnecessary. In a measure this would conform to the practice of the German compulsory accident and sickness insurance system, which is scientifically co- ordinated to deliberate efforts at accident and sickness prevention. More good would result from an intelligent and rational administration of factory laws and sanitary improvements in industry than from the most skilfully devised system of workmen's compensation, or workmen's insurance, as the case may be. The causes and conditions responsible for an excessive death-rate from tuberculosis in industrial pursuits require to be determined with greater accuracy than has heretofore been the case, and in this respect life-insurance companies have a distinct public duty to perform. Mr. Frankel has referred to the elaborate and thoroughly scientific investigation into industrial mor- tality and morbidity by the Leipzig Communal Sick Fund, but he failed to point out that the investigation was the result of a special grant by the German LEE K. FRANKEL 21 Imperial Parliament of about $80,000. The entire investigation was placed in charge of the Imperial German Statistical Office, which acted in coöpera- tion with the Imperial Board of Health, and, of course, the administration of the Leipzig Communal Sick Fund. The investigation included 1,284,576 persons exposed one year to the risk of sickness and death, and the results of the investigation are presented in four elaborate volumes, which include every essential aspect of the whole problem of industrial mortality and industrial disease. We have nothing to correspond to this investigation in this country, neither on the part of government nor on the part of life insurance companies, and while the fundamental data for an identical investigation are wanting, it is, nevertheless, true that a vast amount of useful material is available which is not being utilized, as it is the duty of government and of insurance companies that it should be. When we have an appropriation in this country of Say $1,000,ooo for a qualified statistical investigation into the essential facts of industrial sickness and industrial mortality, we shall have the first contribu- tion of real knowledge which is so imperatively required as a basis for a better understanding of the facts that are required to be made known. While it is not the duty of life-insurance companies to undertake practically hopeless experiments in a field which is essentially that of philanthropy, they have a broader and a larger duty to perform in contributing the results of their experience to the general fund of common knowledge on the Subject of human mortality in its particular relation to Social condition, habits, physique and in- dustrial pursuits. The companies in their archives have vastly more useful data than any State or nation, because of the fact that their records cover a continuous period of observation from the time of entry to the date of exit, while in all public vital statistics only the single fact of death is made a matter of record. The companies know the facts of family history, of personal physique, of bodily temperature, pulse, occupation at entry, occupation at death, and many other important and Suggestive elements which are not available for the population at large. In life-insurance experience it is pos- sible to coördinate a large variety of facts, such as the relation of occupa- tion to physique, or of family history to cause of death, or of locality to the duration of life, etc., but no such investigation in its entirety is feasible for the population at large. Strictly scientific contributions of this kind, combining the medical, statistical, and actuarial functions, would constitute the most useful contribution which the companies could possibly make to the cause of preventive medicine. No doubt the companies might go further and aid in the instruction of policy-holders in the essentials of preventable diseases, particularly tuberculosis, by means of educational literature, lectures, letters, 22 INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS etc., and I introduced a resolution practically to this effect, which was unani- mously adopted by the London Tuberculosis Congress of 1901. There are, however, great practical difficulties in solving the problem of effective educa- tion of policy-holders, but in any event a determined effort in this direction may be made at comparatively Small expense. No company, however, would be warranted in making experiments in special branches of insurance as long as the evidence is wanting that they are really required as a public necessity, and that they give reasonable promise of satisfactory results. I repeat that the experiments that have been made in the field of tuberculosis in Sweden, Finland, and Holland have not furnished proof that such insurance is really desired at the premiums necessary to make it financially possible, and I repeat further that no German private life insurance company, operating on the mutual or stock plan, industrial or ordinary, has followed the German Govern- ment insurance institutions in granting facilities for the institutional treatment of tuberculosis. It seems to me that the system of German Government insurance on a compulsory basis is so entirely inapplicable to American Con- ditions—and will be for many years to come—that it serves no practical purpose to discuss its provisions, although the results, of course, have considerable social and economic interest. What we require most in this country at the present time is more information and really accurate and conclusive data regarding the true rate of mortality and sickness from tuberculosis in industry, and I am aware of no institutions in a better position to aid the cause of tuberculosis prevention in this respect than the ordinary and industrial life insurance companies of this land. The Chairman: Will Dr. Knopf speak on this subject? Dr. Knopf, New York: I am not a life-insurance expert. All I can say is that I have seen in Germany wonderful results of the insur- ance companies which are under State Supervision, and which have led me to believe that it would be a great blessing to our country if we would have some similar provision. While I firmly believe what Mr. Hoffman said, that it is a good thing to make investigation,--it is a good thing to find out exactly why we have so much tuberculosis among certain type of workingmen,_I believe it is equally good to take care of those already afflicted, and if we can do that by Some insurance Scheme, it will be of incalculable benefit to humanity at large. I once before attempted to suggest to some companies to insure at least the children, and I believe if such a thing could be done, they would perhaps never develop tuberculosis. I believe we must pay more attention to the rising generation and to the men and women, particularly to the mothers. If we LEE K. FRANKEL 23 succeed by some insurance scheme in including the children, whether of tuber- culous parents or not, -whether this can be done by compulsory method or not I am not prepared to say,+I simply wish to express my firm belief that insurance against tuberculosis must come, is bound to come, if we ever hope to eradicate the disease from our midst. Dr. Charles Rayevsky, Liberty, N. Y.: In regard to this sort of insurance by fraternal organizations, some three years ago I studied the statistics of the Workmen’s Circle and I found that this organization had about 1% tuberculous members per thousand. When they accepted my scheme looking to the insurance against tuberculosis, and announced that they were about to organize a Sanatorium, the membership greatly increased, but, with it also increased the rate of tuberculous members. They now have about 2% per thousand. The scheme is that each member shall pay 60 cents per year insurance against tuberculosis. From a membership of Iooo you have $600, and these $600 will represent fifty-eight weeks of treatment, as each member is entitled to twenty-six weeks’ free treatment. This institution is now being run only for about six months. As far as I am informed, these figures cover the expense perfectly. I do not know how private Corporations would do it, but it seems to me that through fraternal organizations it is a very feasible thing to ask this kind of insurance, and I would like those that can do something through the fraternal organizations to try to do their best. Dr. Woods Hutchinson, New York: I think in one respect we all must have been conscious of a feeling of disappointment and regret from the dis- cussion which was an argument between these two experts on the subject of insurance against tuberculosis, namely, that the voluntary insurance com- panies as at present organized are entirely either unable or unwilling to undertake any insurance against tuberculosis. How much of that is due to the inherent nature of the case and how much is the attitude of the Societies, I think is an interesting problem. - I must frankly confess that it has seemed to me for a number of years that our life-insurance companies have not been paying their just share of the ex- pense of the improvement of the health of the community. We in the medical profession have been lowering death-rates, we have lowered the life-insurance companies’ morbidity and increased longevity, and yet we are still paying for protection upon tables computed from forty to sixty years ago. Now the companies take the position that inasmuch as they cannot imme- diately recoup themselves out of the payments of the individual policy-holders, it is utterly impossible for them to do anything toward insurance against tuberculosis. I do not think that this is good public policy, with all due 24. INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS respect to such companies, nor a broad-minded, intelligent, philanthropic view to take of the situation. They have been reaping all the benefits of the work that the community and the medical profession have done, and have returned nothing to either the community or the medical profession for it; and now because they cannot instantly recoup themselves, they practically decline to consider such a proposition as this. It may be that they could not get it back out of the individual policy-holder, but I should like to see the matter studied out more carefully and scientifically, and from a broader and less selfish point of view. I join with Mr. Hoffman in the wish that the masses of statistical material hidden in the archives of the companies could be secured for publication. But, for several reasons, there will be difficulties in the way that will not be readily overcome. However, the darkest hour is just before the dawn, and if the companies are either unable or unwilling to undertake this insurance, then it seems to me it will have to be done by the community as a whole, and I think the community is preparing to do this. I had occasion to look into the matter a year or more ago as to the probable expense of an extermination campaign in New York city, and after carefully working out the number of consumptives in the community, the number of beds required to treat them, the length of time required for treatment, and esti- mating the amount of new infection that occurs every year from varying causes, it appeared that a sum of less than four dollars per capita for each inhabitant of the community would provide beds to care for all cases, and that a tax of little more than a dollar per capita per annum for five to ten years would take care of the cases, care for the family, and put the disease in a process of ex- termination. The communities cannot do this if they take the attitude assumed by the insurance companies, and if they did, we might just as well drop our campaign at once. Of course, we have made wonderful progress, but at the same time there is an enormous amount of work yet to be done. We have 22,000 beds for the care of consumptives, and that is a fine, imposing figure, but it amounts to but about 5 per cent. of the total number of consumptives in the United States. The provision is utterly inadequate, and until we force the matter as a commun- ity and as a whole and assume the expense necessary to isolate the advanced cases, we shall simply continue the process that is now going on in New York city, of burying every year Io,000 persons from tuberculosis and having two new cases for every one we bury. Ten thousand deaths and 20,000 new cases has been our program for the last six years. Every advanced case we place in a tuberculosis home prevents two new cases, and we must direct our efforts LEE K. FRANKEL 25 to these advanced cases. The funds of the community are abundantly ade- quate and ready to be used for this purpose. . Of course, any good thing that we want to do is unconstitutional in the opinion of eminent lawyers, but it does not make any difference whether it is unconstitutional or not; it is going to be done within the next fifteen or twenty years, and some way will be found to evade the provisions of the constitution if such evasion be necessary. Heretofore the activities of our legislators have been directed chiefly toward the safeguarding not of human rights, but of human property, and by that system of public policy 5 per cent. of the Com- munity have been enabled to gather up the property of the community at the expense of the other 95 per cent. Now we are entitled to regain our share, and the share of this generation and of future generations, by taxation of these accumulations of wealth, and we can do it through the government and as a mass, and have the disease exterminated inside of twenty years. Dr. Edward O. Otis, Boston: It may not be known that two years ago, I think it was, the legislature of Massachusetts passed an enabling act which permits the working-people of Massachusetts to be insured at different savings banks throughout the State at practically the cost price, the State furnishing the medical examiner. This scheme was promoted and carried through by Mr. Brandeis, and I had the pleasure of listening to his exposi- tion of it, and, if I am not mistaken, he stated that the ordinary insurance people made about 500 per cent. on their policies, or at least a large per cent. above the cost. Now, if that is the case, it seems to me that it might be possible for the insurance companies to use a part of that amount of gain in treating their cases of tuberculosis, as has been suggested. Hugh F. Fox, Plainfield, N. J. : There was one statement which was made by Dr. Frankel in his most interesting paper, which I think should be qualified. It would be unfortunate to allow the impression to go out from this meeting that people who are cared for in our public hospitals are regarded as belonging to the pauper class. The whole trend of the move- ment for the proper treatment of defectives, and of all those whose physical condition constitutes a menace to society, is to provide for their care by the State or municipality. In all departments of this work we are urging the State, the county, or the municipality to do its full duty by making adequate provision for all such cases, and are insisting that the individual has the right to demand such treatment if his condition is such as I have described. The logical outcome of this eventually must be to make such treatment Compulsory. The most important next step in this antituberculosis movement is to get the 26 INSURANCE AGAINST TUBERCULOSIS State or county and the municipalities to recognize their responsibility by providing adequate treatment. Just a word on another point. At a meeting which was held recently, under the auspices of the National Civic Federation, to discuss the report of the Employers' Liability Commission in New York, the statement was made that the United States Steel Company, which employs 200,000 men, had paid $1,000,000 during the past year in settlement for accidents to its workingmen. ASSuming that this statement is correct, and estimating the average per capita annual wages at $800, the increased cost of labor to the United States Steel Company which resulted from these settlements is o.625 of I per cent. Let us suppose that the Company, under its proposed plan of caring adequately for its men in case of accident or sickness, found it necessary to spend five times the sum that it spent last year as compensation for accidents (which seems most improbable), the result would make the added labor cost 3.125 per cent. But the cost of labor in relation to the finished product which is turned out by the Steel company is probably not over 20 per cent., so that the increase in the cost to the consumer, even on the liberal basis of our calculation, would only be o.625 per cent. After all, it is the consumer who must ulti- mately foot the bill, and it is doubtful if an increased cost to the consumer of a trifle over } of I per cent. would cause a ripple of disturbance in the industrial world. As a matter of business, and in the interest of industrial efficiency, who would question an increase of even I per cent. in the cost of production, if this would provide adequately against the hazards of misfortune which the workingman has to face in the way of accident or illness? While insurance against tuberculosis might be impracticable from the Standpoint of an insurance Company as a profit-making proposition, its feasi- bility is worth considering from the industrial standpoint. The industry could well afford to carry it on a coöperative basis. Dr. Frankel : I have but very few words to add. I think, for the sake of record, it should be mentioned in connection with the Leipsic insur- ance Scheme of which I spoke, which is a scheme for sickness insurance including tuberculosis, that the institution is perfectly solvent. I received this morning, before leaving my office, the report for the year 1909, which shows that they disbursed last year over 6,ooo,000 marks for the care of their sick members, which practically all came from contributions, that is, in the shape of premiums or dues, half of which were paid by the workingmen. It is not a charity at all. In addition to that, they have accumulated quite a large reserve, and it is a pure insurance proposition. I think there is nothing more interesting in this connection, bearing out LEE K. FRANKEL 27 particularly what Dr. Hutchinson has said, than that this is a question of discounting the future. To my mind the most interesting statement in the report is not in the text, but in the diagrams. Whereas the society has shown Constant increases in disbursements for benefits, physicians, and Sanatoria, the actual disbursements from year to year for death benefits are today just one-half what they were twenty years ago. In other words, they are bringing out what I have endeavored to show in my paper, namely, that insurance against tuberculosis eventually means lower mortality and lower cost for death benefits. * - I hardly felt that my paper would be so badly misunderstood as it was by Dr. Hutchinson in assuming that I said a life-insurance company was either unfit or unwilling to undertake work of this kind. I am perfectly convinced, with Mr. Hoffman, that there are certain very distinct scientific rules that have got to be laid down for the guidance of an insurance company in precisely the same way as rules must be laid down for the guidance of a banking institution. An insurance company must go along Safe lines, not only because it may wish to do so, but because the law compels it to do so. If they were to act otherwise, they would be called up very shortly by all the insurance commissioners in the United States. But that this problem can be worked out in connection, not necessarily with a life-insurance company, but that a scheme can be de- vised to insure individuals not against tuberculosis only, but sickness generally, I am quite positive. I want to mention another word for fear there might be a misunderstanding. I had hoped that this might not come up in a discussion this evening, but the insurance Companies do not make 5oo per cent. On their policies, and I am afraid that the speaker got that confused with the fact that the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company will return to its policy-holders during the present year over $5,000,ooo in voluntary bonuses by reason of the fact that within the last few years their mortality has been lowered, carrying out the very thing that Dr. Hutchinson suggested. I repeat what I said in my paper. The form in which insurance against tuberculosis will develop is still problematical; whether it will be done by communities, by organizations, in municipalities or townships, I am not pre- pared to say. Whether it may be necessary to have mandatory legislation or not, I am not in position to say. My contention is that, except under com- pulsion, no comprehensive scheme of insurance can be developed that shall include every individual in the community and that shall lead eventually to the eradication of disease. After all, that is what we wish to do.