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Mr. Hmderfim, i M t t i 

A A Knotv very well whatagreat dill

i   V advantage it is for Me, to maintairi
' ‘ an Argument of Divinity withifc)
\ ~ ‘ able and learned a man as your
  «V 7 fclf, it being yQltJ1'2fI'l0fi My pro-
feHion;, which really was the cauf: that made‘
Me dcfite to hear fome Iearnedjman argue My

 

Opinion with you, ofwhofeabilitics Imight V

be confident, that Iihould not be led into an
Etront, ifnrwant Ofhaving allwhich could be
faidsi*1ay'6d.0pen unto Me: For indeed,‘ My

 humiéur is 1' nth, that I am flfill partiall for that
  :; §ide,i%iwhic11 I imagine fufiers for the weaknefle
,t.’~t:’§ftI1ofe that tnaintainc it; aliwayes thinking
I “that squall ‘Ci13.Ifl.piiQflS..-WOUldwC3,fl5 the bal--
7 Jiance on the other paint; Yet fincet that yolili“

   

(thinking that it w‘1t11t”ratv“etimc) defire to got:

another way,«IiLfl1a11~ notiicontefl: with youin V

  it, but treating ybnashlgllyPI1yifitian,gixzcA

’ ‘  M,  W 
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3 HQ MA} as ‘r I E s firfi {Paper}

leave to take your own way of cure; onely I a

thought fit to warne you, left if you, (not I )
flaould be miftaken in thlfip r you would be faine

A (inamanner) to begin anew. . i , .. .
‘Then know that from My Infaney.I was i
bleft with the King My Fathers love,’ which;

I thank God, was an unvaluable ha pi'nefl"ef
to Me, all his dayes, and among all is cares’
for My education, his chief was, to fettle Me

i right in Religion, in the true Knowledge of

which, he made himfelffo eminent to all the
World, that, I am fute, none can call in que-
fiion the brightneife of his Fame in that parti-
cular, without fhewing their own ignorant ba fe
Malice : He it was,who laid in Me the Grounds
ofChrifiianity, which to this day I have been

COflfial‘llIlI'l5 {'0 that Whether the tvorthinefli: A

of My Inf’t“tu<S’t‘or be ‘confidered, or the, not

  few, years that I have been fetled in My Prin-
ciples ;‘ it ought to be no Ptrangeithing, if it A

be found no eafie work, to make me alter
them: and the rather, that hitherto, Ihave
{ according to S. Pauly rule, Raw. 14.22.) been
happ in 720: candemming _my in t/mt thing

miss’: I 21110217 :- Thus having flaewed youhow, ‘

. it remaines,“to tell you what,, I believe, in re-,

lation to theft: prefent . miferable diftraétie

ons, .
No onething made Me more reverence the
Reformation of _My Mother, the Church of

  England,

pHz55MAjns'rIwfirfl‘2’aper£  . f 3;
England, than that it was done ll(accordinigf‘i'to t

the Apcflleg defence, A62’: 24. I 8.) mitt/oer zvzw
multitude, nor mitlymmzzlt, but legally and ot-
derly gand by thofe,iwhom I conceive to have

onelythc reforming ‘power; which with many‘ ~
other inducements, rnade Me alwayes confi-t '
w‘ dent that the work xvasirvery rperfeét, as to

Efl”entials~,Ofvsrhich number Church Govern-
ment being undoubtedly one, I put no queer-
£?c'ion,: but that would have been likewilie alrea-

t ted, ifrhere had been caufe-5 which opinion

of mine, was foone turned into, more than, a

v confidence; when I perceived, that in this
particular (as Imult fayof all the reft) vvc re-' 
tamed nothing but acco1'd1rlgasl irwas idea

duccd from the Apoftles to bethe conftant
univerfall cufiome of i the Primitive Ci1UYCh§

and thatit was of fuch eonfequence, as bythe i
alteration of it, we fhoulcl deprive our {elves

of a lawfull Prieflthood, andthen, how the Sa-
craments can be duly Adniinifired, is eafie to
judge : Theft: are theprincipall Reafons,vv'hich
make Me believe that Biihops are neceeliary for

l a Ch,urch,e and, l I think._,, fttificient f'otrMe (if i

had no more). not to give My confent for their
expulfion outoffizzglarzdg, but I have another
obligation, that, to my particular, 15 a no leffe

tie of Confcience», which is My Coréwtim” ,
oath : Now if (as 5. Paul faith, Ram. 14.23.)
  he that dauivtetk it damfiedzflae em, whatcani

  i ‘ Qxpmfig

4 Hz} MA  LE 5 T I E S  Taper.‘ % V
exipeéigf if I fhould, not onely give way know3.  
inglyito My Peo les finning, but ljkewifebe
perjured My fel ~:.’ A ; W V s  

I Noweconfidcr, Oughtl not to keep Myfelfe
f«**am prefiamptaamfimnesi .9 and you know who

fI21yeis,,W/mt dat/a it prey/it .4 mm, t/mig/5 /Jeflmuld A‘
V gazing thew/’mZeiVVorld, amdilofi: his onme Soul .5‘

Wiherefore My conflrant maintenance nofE}2z'f-

 wpaey in £fig14im',i ( where there was never any

other Government fince Chriftianity was
in this Kingdome) Me thinkes, fhould bera-
tiier comfmended than wondered at 3 My Con--A
ifcience direéiing me to maintaine tI1eI.awes of

e the Land 5 Which being onely My endeavours

at this time, I defire to know of you, what
zigarrmt.‘ were is in the Ward o/"God, for .S‘u£»]'eé’z‘s

A M emlemvwzr to force tbezfr 1i"z'ngs Crmfizieme .?
 an to make iaim alter .L4wcs ageinfl Ink will _? If

this be not My prefent cafe, I {hall be glad to
be tniffaiken 3 or, ifMy_Judgemcntin Religion
imth been mifleci all this time, I {hell he wil-
iing t0 be better direéied : tillwhen, you mufi
ezscrcufe Me , to V be confiant to the Grounds
which the King .714} Parker taught Me.

in ilfifewmflle, A A % ii " A AA
~ May 29. 1645.4 A

  ateeaestehozeeexeateeevzeezeszesaeazesreeeaefsre*ae»eamaee§eeaesmhae.

  For  ey"e/Zieg,
M” -% U1 Z6-?<'2W1€?'_H ehelezfehfs firfi Paper. %
S I R, A ‘

2 ‘

A 1.ITt3']0heMez”je/fie: royaflgaodmjflr, erzelweg

my merit, that hath madgyozer Mejefly _ to

A h eemeehve my epihim ofmy eehilitie: which A
(were they worthy efthefmallefl teflimnhyfrom

your Majefiy) ought in 41! deny to he imprmved
for yew Majefliesflzthfdfiioh. Aha’ ethzk I 1523-
htehded in my sewing here at thh time, hy 4 free,
yet modefl exprefliah of the.’ true motive: 421:! in-

dheemeht: which drew my mizzde In the ehflihe A
Epifi'ap411‘Geevemmeht. mhereiiz 1 wet; heed it!
my youflgeryehree -at the uniwrfity. h Like 44‘ I A

did 4; erehezm’ that it mm not your cflzmjeflies
purpofhto have the gucflioh dzflmtedhy Divine:
ma hath fide: -.;, which I maid never (to the
hwrohging ofthe cemfe ) haruemzderta-hen alone 5
and which feldowe or ‘newer hath proved are ef-

A feéhtmll ’ may, for fiziehhg  math, or mowing

the mind; af,Me2e M relme  their farmer ‘Te-

. emets, Dum 1'cs tranfit ajudicio in affcétum ;-  
:m'tm>]]‘e the Polemiekehetweeh the Papifls and   4
~ A m, and hmwg ourfeleves, ahoeet the matter now

in hand, thefe memy yeere: pefl. _e
 2. Sir_.,Whm I eohfider yaeer1:1zzjeflz'e:,'ea':ecezte'm

a under the hand: qffhrehda Father, the length of

time wherehz year dvmje/Zy heath htehfeiledm
A %e A your

l'6 A M.A4A1.nx: Ha rm 1: 1=gspN‘s firfi Paper‘;

yourfrioeoiples ofClzorob-Go'velr}omenf :, tloe Ari” V

gotmeflts which heme oontimoofly " zozdpriwote and
Iaoolique, efieciolly of late at Oxfor ‘, jifledyoor
(.714 4}‘ eflze: eore: for the Divine rzgbtt/oereof";
yam; Corozeetiozd ootla 3 and dlwers State-reezfom
wbicbyoor Mojefly dot}: not mention 3 I oloe not
xaiooeoleogzoor tloinee it anyflrowogel t/Jz’og,‘téet your
Lmojejly‘ bot}; zzototeflr/Z given place to 4 eon-
ltmry impreffiofi. I oememlaer elm‘ tbefemeozee

Joannes Picus Mirandula proruetb 6} irrefro-

getlvle Reaflm: ( w/aiechno rational! more willooow
trodioi ; Tlmt no mam/mob fo rntooltpor-oer over
In; lonme unelerifemding, ‘etc! to mo/ee loimfelfe £ve—-

liew nfiloot /oe will, or toltloin/ee that to be two

wheel: be reafor: tellet/2 him isfolfe 5 mzoelo lefl:

‘:3’ itftflzoleflr em mom to have 6125 reofooteoma

Fmozzdeei by the will, or at tlae pleofoore ofzmo-

t/Ber. " A [ A
2. Itlrk 4 tmeflzying‘ oftloe Sohooleme:n,:VOIun~

tlas imperat intelleétui quoacficxercitium, non. “

equoad fpccificationcm, Mimlowne will, or tloe
will of emotloer may oommemel me to tloiieke zojzon
a matter; boot no will or oomrmzozl om ooze roioe
me to determine otloerwife zfben myrezzfolz‘ too-
claetb me.  Tet Sir, I lit??? yozer; Lmojeflywill

eeknowleolgre, (lforyome Paper proflefletbno leffe)

elm: ooooroling to toe flying of Ambrofc, Non

A ’efi‘pudlQr ad meliora. tranfirca It 1?: neitloerfioezee 1
razor [lmme to change to the better : Symmachus

2» one of lozlrfipflles ‘(I think: to the Emperoor 4

» %¢ ThC0d©j

M. An Ex:HE~M 13 1! at slows firfi Piper.” 3y? e

Thcoddfi us tmd Va1?entinie.n)ab’edget/J o-ll tbofi
moti-vex, from edtteetioo, fr9fl3’[97¢?fl‘7'1‘}7tl0fi of

A   time, from worldly profierity, ooieltbefi'o;tt“ifi2-

itig condition of tbe ‘R0_?71d5'3 Empire, amifrom
tbe Lowe: eftbe Loml, toeperfivoole tleem to ooze»
fieoey in tbe eziteieot Pagan profeffion oftbefloa
m.¢2o':,l ogoini? tbe imbmeietg of tbe Cbrifliett
Feitb. Tbe like reezfom were ttfeol by tbe {fewer

for Mofes ezgtziotfi Chrifl .3, emtlmety be tjeelbotb o

for Popery otoolflor tbe iv Popoey it flelfe, agoizoff
tbe neforrioetiote offleligiotz moo’ Cbttreb-Gorvemw

e merit"; and tbercfore mo btwe too more /lteogtb

etgoitofi‘ It Cbzmge now, tbtm lbey boil itoforeoeer
times. ’ V V A A A
.. 3f Bot yottr Mtzjefly may perbepejlzynfbot tbtit
to perino principii, ‘anal tootbixog elfle bot tbe
begging of tbe ,,Q5te/lion; tmol I eorofefle it were
fa,  tbere eon be too Reojoto: brougbt flor 4 Re-
formeztioii or Clotmgee, your Moje y rervermees
t/at Recformettion of {be Cbttreb o f England , to:

i being done legally and oiderly, hotel by tbofle zobo

boil tbe Reforming Power .~l 4tm’.I tloe not o'eoy,y
but itwere to be zoi/lei, tbett Religiote tobere tbere

as need, were IllW£tl£.€ Reformeel in tbet motetier, , ~

and by ftteb power, and tbtzt it were root commit-

“tee! to tbe Preleztt, oobo borve gretttefl oteetl to be

reformed tbemfilwes, not left to tbemoltitoele,
to/oom lGoel_/lirretb top tobett Prime: ore ;oegli--
gent : Time eliel Jacob reform: bio owtie Femi-

 ly, Moles defiroyed the golden Colfe, tbegoool A
 ° A eftngs _

3 A Me».-A L EX; H1; AND Hg B. so efirfl: Papcri ~

tjm.e__,- at that fath Reformation hath; heezt per:

h fg,;'2‘g I eazzteot admit. wAfa toohe away Idolatry,

hat heir Refot'tetattett was toot page-at; forjcho-V
lfaphatoeetoaoezzeel the high Plates, yet was“ not hi!
geformatioh pezfeét, for it was Hezekiah that
hrahe the ehrafleoe Serpent, cmel Jofiah dtflroyeel

' the Ielol-.Tem]2les who therefote heareth their E»-

Iogie, That hke unto .hei;r;i7‘*hthcrc tvas no’King
before him. It :2: toawefll kttotwoelothat the tee.-
fbrmatiozt of K. H611: 8. war moft ttteperfeéfifl
the E fleatials of Doctrine, Worjhep, aael G'or't{e;ret-
meat; And although it proceeded hy flame ele-

lKz';2eg: gfjudah rej”ormea’ the eChtmrh lea theft J

grees aft‘m:vara’;, yet the Government‘ who I26"ZJ6’r“

reformea’__, the heaa’ WM changed, Dominus non
Dominium 5 area’ the whole ltmhs of the A;ett—
ohrzfliaoz Hierarchy retained, apart  whatfaaret
and temptations offlvartoe and oflmhition, the...»
great Enohaotters (ft/ze Clergy, I zaeea’ ‘hot e'x;
prefe. A It war a hard faytag ofR“omanorum
Mal1cusGrofied ofLincolne, That Reformat-—
tiott was not to he ex_pel't‘eol,nifi in ore gladii cm-‘

A V hecntandi :' A yet this I mayfizy, that the La_oa’z'eea;2
 la/htwarmmfflfle of reforteeatiote here, hath heme
matter ofooezttetottetl eooelplatnt: to mate)! of ‘the; A

A greater purity ofreformatiota. ‘I he glee} ofthol‘

Goal )1, ea title‘ Kingdom .-, oetafloa ofmore fohtfote

wand flepaotatioet thetaertxer mar heard of in may o-  

 .ther C hearth 5 and ofmtfleakahlegtieféeforrozv A a

to other Chttrolzes, which God did hleffe with

g?"€tl$'

M. Amsi: Héhtwaj ER sosks A firfl: mper; 9*
  A  works? we /an e zlcirer awed Nor; “Mr J!/;“/zzy-.
3 4 P J’

je by, that to”.yam'; comfirt Md iewerlbjiizggfbme

1 pmzfi qfgodly Jofiah may be m'zm’ei~ybzm ;

.;g9l7I‘€/ayet will be m dzfixmzfia’ ta your myafl Fa-3   

tber; 19;‘ Edward 6. or my at/yer relzgibm Priifl-P

ce:i‘?b”eforc‘fyozt 5 °7m¢e of tbem bbrvi2¢‘g'f:2_fz¢z'm2 rm
oppoftimjity   mm by tbefinpreme prawdcigbe
put ifltoyzittrliayall bands. My fbzzle trembletb
to tbirzkgz23za!w*forefisae,n:/mt mbyyv:b”€tbc event,
2:;‘tbb':f'bppo7i"tg22zity be ;2¢gle6fea{.'"  I ‘“a;2”i[1h;Mz'tber
zifleitbé wordy. bf M01'deCay,hE'fi h.4; I4. mr nébat
Savanarol:1.tala{;znotber Charles, bemufel bope

A liettebf tbingi fram yam» Mdfbfly. A’

4. Ta tbe pgrgzamezat brbztgbt by y‘ottrMd-
jefly (wbicb I ibelietve none efyazzr JD‘0E?ar.r, bad
tbcy been all zzbbxzt ynza, timid A ‘mire briefly Mb!
yetflafw/ly mzdffrongly bzwe expreflwl ) [That
‘nothingwas retained in this Church»butac1‘-
cording as it was deduced from the Apoflies

‘tho the confltant univerfall praéfife of t,h§,P1'i~ b

tjnitixze Church 5 and that it was of fuch ci5n-
fsq uénce,as by the alteration ofir, WC fhould
deprive D1111‘ fclves of the lawfuineife of Pricifl-
hook!” ( I tbimée your Mqzjcfly meme: 4 /awful!
Mimzflry) and then how ‘theyy Sacraments canhbc

V adiminiihcd, is eafic to judgc.] I bumblybflér
tbefl? *cabfia’mzftiom .-f- Fizfljwbbt rm: iwt in tbe y
. zimescftbe U1’ pofllex, 6'aI7¢J20fb££’ deduced from

tbem 7.°‘Wefiy M Scotlandjt czlmzat b'é"b?70££gb7l,

' A tbzzt is bot tbere ban 5 bat ( wvtijo ibfifi‘ 770W.i77,

A 4

to M.ALEJ{~t‘HE Nn1.=.nsoN’s firfl Paper} %
aL12tea'rgy, andthihg: of that kind there wee

ztefiteh Hierarchy, mfaeh deference hetwixt e A t

Btjhep attda Preshyter its the times of the LA.

patties, and therefore it eazertot theme he deda- A

eed 3 fer I eeneeteve it to hem cleare as it it were
writtett with a flea-heame, that Preehyter and

Be’,/730}: are te the udpeftlee we and the fame.) _

thzwg-, ea majerity, tee iteeqetality er dgfereteee ef

effiee, pewer, or degree hetwixe the one and the A

ether, het a meeee identity ie all. 2?. That’ the
U!" eftles ieteedieg to flet dettme the Ofihees and

. Of. tee: of the Chztreh, and/Iheahiegfiw Ofiefi ef

them, and of their gzft: and duties, and that, not

ape” eeeafieze, hat effe-tiarpaje 5 due neither ex- .

1;:t”:*:”’::t:e,!:;  B2/’ePef‘“*
wr we r inf‘) 4 nag et eree
that they have deflimftly azedpartiezdarl ex rejh
’ A . ‘ . J’ P
the ef]%'e,‘gtfte, and dams ef the meamfl 0/fi-‘
eere,fttehaeDeaeen5. _ 3.. Thatiit the Ming/fiery
ef the New Teflengent there :2: a camel}, heaatzi
fall, and dirertzee order and faherdzetatioitg one
‘kind ev]‘”c.}’i/Iieeiffers hath erdieeary and extraer—-
dinary heieg plated in degree and dzgnity me he-
fere azeather, he the Jpzyfles the _Ereaage-
lzfl.c,Pafl"ez»s._,1)ae'i‘ers, drc.» in their ezame ranks .-
hztt we temeet find in Ofiieee efthefitme kind,

A that we hath majority power)’, or giriority cgf

he degree hefere aemthers, tee Apzfllea

A we other

’ Apefllee ('.:e.e!eflTe 2'22 metal! re/fleets) 7ze”fEvua7zge-+

lg/t eZhfl‘TU6’ ether Ewaegeli 55 61;’ Deaeezt dh!:?‘Ie'-6

etheej A

A M.AL1=.x:‘Hm§manson’s firfi Paper; It
other Deaoom 2, why then a Paflor ahoweother

Paflor: 2’ I22 all otherfort: of Miteifter: orelittary  
area’ extraorelmary a parity in their owae hind,»

oaly ia the ofiiee tfPaflor an inequality. 4.‘That

A the wholepower and all the part: of the Mimi-__
flry, which are eommoalyealled the power of A

order and jurifdiétion, V arehy the Magoo/ile: ele-
elareol to he common to the Preehyter anal Bzfhop .-.

Ariel that Mat. i 5 .16, 17. the gradation in aoate  

ter of Dzfeiplihe or Chttroh-oetzfttres, .12: from
ozte, to two, or more 3 atttl heflaall teegleéi them,
tell it to the Chareh; he faztheoot, tell it to the
Bi/hop ; there it no plate left to a retrogradatiotz

A from more to orze, werehe rterverfo eminent. 
theft eortfieleratiote: tlo-e not fitti5fie,ryoar Majefi} %

may have more, or the fame farther eleareol.
5. Seoorzelly, I do htmohly ole/ire Tear tfleajefly

to take notice of the faflaey of that /Irgttmetzt, h

from the prafiiee of the Primitive Chttreh, and
the emit/erftzll eoteflmt of the Fathers; It isthe
Argazeeezot of the Papifl: for faeh traa'ltlott5.aa'

too orthodox Diwiae will admit. T he Lam and A

’T¢irttoteyr rattii‘ hethe Rttle. We can hafue no
eertaiae htzowletlgeof the praelioe tmifuerfallof
the Chareh forerzaayeyeares, A Eufisbius the prime
Hijloriaa eotofeffethfo mach, The learhetljo fe-

\ phus.Scae1igcr to/lifieth, that from the em’ of the A
Aéts of the Ape/ile: tmtil.’ ‘ a good time after, he

eertaitoty can he haelfromfioelefiajiioa/l Aathor:
ahoat ~ Charth matters, It :3‘ true, Diotrephcs

  fought

h M1;  fii'.h‘BX:~HrEN‘D*EB.S'0N"‘3 firfi Paper. 4
T A flmght the ‘prehemineme in the Apeftles times,

and the 773 fiery  iniquity did then hegih te
werh; mt no dottht imtfler-time: fleme pufléd
up with Amhitieh, and ether: overtaken with

weahneflé , etttlemuaztml alteertztieh of Church ‘V
Gewernmeht, httt thttt all the tleameii melgedly

of thefetimet tarzfihtetl tefitch ext chtmge M is
talked efeflerwerds, will rteever he p7‘0*‘U66l.
6; Thirdly, I will never think that Your Me»

' fuel?) will deity the lewfttlmjfe ofzt Ming/Zery, and

the dart: eelmingflmtzeh qfthe Semtmeets in the
Refemtetl Churches, which have he Dieeefm B21-
flmpt, fith it 113' not homely metzifefl hy Scripture,
httt 4 greetmtmy of the flrahgefi Chempiemfar

1:“ptf:'eptzey, eleeterzfefje, that Preshytters may er-— V
dame other Preshytersg and that Behttfme tzel-. 4

mimflred 6} a private perflah, wanting a pzthlieh
Ceflieg, or h} 4 Midwife, and hy ti Preshyteqel-—
that: h mt ~ere1e*ivmdhy 4 Bi/hep, «are mt we and
the heme thing.   V , ‘

7. Concerning the other Argument tehettfrem
fettr Maje/lie: Coronation 04th .3 he I eonfl:/]7:, that

i 0

~ tree! 4 thing :2: it, ftttdfa high "ti peiht ofRelt'gz'en)

hmttehl tettelerttcfl e zit reqttlteel .- tmd fttrre he it

A f}’t3m1t’t’3 when tlefire to ahferwe ettr:ozv‘t¢‘e Selemtze

Ottthg te preflh our Mtzjefty with the ertielatieh

[V hath in the tehitzg and keeping ef an Oath (fef:z- .

hflffottrf. Tet Sir, I will creme _y02‘M‘l€d'ZJ€3_i7¢ all A
  hztmhlenefie tmdfincerlty ta lay hefore Your Man-

jaytiet eyes thtlrme thing, (which perhaps might

require

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a to require alarhger alieoarfi) that although no hits-
‘ matte authority can ali/feafe with aahaath, Q_uia

Rcligio juramcmzit pertinct ad hfiarum Divi.-.

-' nume, yet iotfome cafe: it cannot he denied hat

the Wohlzgation of an Oath eeafltth .9 A5 when we

fvear homage aitd oheolieaee to our Lord andsa-e

peofioar, who afterward: eeaféth to he our Lord
anal Sttperioar‘ 5 for then the formal! eaafi if the
Oath is taken away, and therefore the ohligatioa,
Sublata caufarollitur GfFC&US; fublato relaro,
tollitur Correlatum. or when any oath hath
a fieoiafl reference to theheaefit of thofle to whom
I make the pr-omiflg, if we have their defire or
eoafvtt, the ohlzgatioa eeafith; heeaat;/7: ahlfaeh
Oathofrom the nature of the thittg, A oe] iholaele
a oo)oa’itioa. When the Parliamemoof hothKinga

domes, have eozieaaroteol for the aholzflaizog or M

altering of a Law, Tour Maj efliee oath doth not
hiaele Tea, or Tear Cozofoienee to the ohjerrving of

tt; otherwife no Laure: could he altereol hy the

Legfflatiwe Power. 5.Thi.c I eoaeeirve hath heett

the groom! o]’remo”wiagaEpifi'o,oall Government
in Scotland, azodo removing the Btfloopo out of

the Parliameato England. xlml I aflare my 4

felfe, that Tear Majejty aliolozot intend at the tau-
hitog of T ottr oath, that although hoth—Hoafl:.c of
Parliament [l:oala' find an alteration neecflhry,
although (which Goal Almighty avert) Toot/72 oalol
lofle Tour Selfe, ahelyottr P.o/ierit], anal Crotott,
that Toa woalel never eottfettt to the aholi/hing of

‘ o " B  ~ A faeh

5;; i M. A‘i"‘z¥iit§:'E Hu"§”5fi:§oi:=~§_ firfi payee;  

[itch a Law. 1_’fTo:cr Maj fiyfiill ohjefi, that the r

A matter :2’ the oathic oteoeflary'a::d immtttahlci;

that dot   not helortg. to this, hat to the former _Ar-
gument. A A A

  8.‘ Iharee hot one more! more corocerrtizog Your V

Pitt} to TOM'_.R0yctll Father, arid teacher of happy
Memory, with which Tour ‘Map;/iy doe: conclude.
Tom‘ Majefly krtotves that King James newer atla-
mittea’ Epifcopacy apart Diwihe Right 5 That

~ Hi; efitajefly did foeare arm’ ftthfcrihe to they

Dofirine, Woajhip, am! Difl:i12lirte of the Church

of Scotland“; that in the Preface of the latter A
4 Edition ef"Bafilicon Daron, H12: Majeftye iruc:

aa honoarahle tefiimorzy to thof e that loved etter
the fiaorplicity of the Goflael, than the pomp and
ceremonies of the Charch of England, and that
he coztceivveclthe Prelats to flwcvar the Pope’/h
Hierarchy, aadthat (could hie Ghoit new fiveahe
to your Maje.  ) He would not ddfvlfé your Ma.-
je/fy to two itch ha{arc1.rfor thofit 813 who will

chafl rather to pull down: your Throne with their at

more rairxe, tharo that they perzfl: alone. 7' he Lorol
givueyotcr Majefly a trifle aria’ clzfcerrtirrg Spirit to
chofi that in ctime which 13 right:

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For t Mf.fllex: Elena/ezj/‘E272,  

W A Reply to his Anfvvet to My firfi: Paper;
27514»: 6. 1646.   it

  E S T I E St fl*m2dPa;2:r..

.‘ .

i A Mr. Hmdwflvia,

  F it had been the Honour of the Caufe
which I looked after, I would not have
" undertakene to putPcn to Paper, or fingly

  to have maintained this Argument againiit you

(whofe Anfwct to my former Paper is fuffi-»
cient, Without other proofs,to juflifiié My opi-”~

  nion of your abilities ) but, it being tneerly (as;

you know) for my particular fatisfaétion, I
affute you that a A Difpntation of well chofen
Divines, would be molt effcéitlallg and, I béo
lieve you cannot but grant, that I muff belt
know," how My felfe may be hot‘: fatisfied, for
certainly My Tafie cannot be guided by arrow
thers Mans Palate, and indeed I will fay}, that

when it comes (as it mull) to Probati0ns,;- I t

mult have either Per;/has or Booker to cleate the
Allen ations, or it will be impoflible to give ME!
{atisl‘a&iori; jfhe fore~feeingofwl1ieh9 omatie

._-. _,-%___ ‘-11 ,.  _, 33% gr  _.  t Mg

we . ..a

15 Hp’; MAj£'r'rI1.=.s fecoe2elPezper.7
Me at firfl ( for the faving ofTime) defire that
fome ofthofe Divines, which I gave you in a

A Lil}, might be fem; for. - E
2. Concerning your fecond Section, I I were ‘

rnuehtoo blame, if I {hould not fubmit to that
faying of S.t,.«1mlzrefl: which you mention, for
I would be unwilling to be Found leffe ingenu-

ous then you fhevv your felfe to be in the for-I
mer part of it 5 wherefore my Reply is, that as

Iihall not be aihamed to change for tie: (wetter,
fo I mull: fee that it is better before I clumge,
otherwife inconfiancy in this were both finnc
and   fhameg and remember (what your felfc
hath learnedly enforced) that no man: Reefer:
eerie he commanded by metleer mam Will. I  

3.‘ Your third begins,but I cannot fay that it
goes on, with that Ingenuity, which the other
did 3 for I ‘doenot underfland, how thofe Ex.-or
ample: cited out of the Old Tcfiament do any
way prove that the way of Reformation, which
I commend, hath not been the molt petfeé},

or, that any other is lawfull, thofe having been I

all by the Regal! L/Itttlaerity 3 and becaufe
Henry tl:IeiEz'gl9t3 Refermatioze was not perfect,

willitprovethat of K. Edward and CLElz1{_4- A

beef: to beunperfeét ‘:'_ I believe a new mead:
andfigure mutt be found out to forme a Syl1o.-

gzfmey. whereby to prove that: but however, *

" you are tniftaken 5 for, no man who truely un- *

derftandsi the Eagle:/72 Rczfermetieee, will derive
  " it

4 Hr} MA j as 'r I 2 sfEcohn’7?uper. 17
it from Henry the Egg/it; for he onely gave the
occafion -.; it was his Same who began, and

 Q. Elzzgéctb that perfeétedit-, nor didlever
aver-re, that the beginning of any Humane A- i

Brion was ‘perfect, no more then you can prove
that God hath evergivcn apfrobdtion ita Melti-
mde: to Rcfarme t/ac Negligence if Prime: .-
For, you know, there is much Dii-l'e1'ence be-
tween Perrmfiion, and App-oluttim .- But all
this time, I find no Reafom (according to your
Promife) for a Refarmatiozgor Change (I mean
fince Q Elqabetlar time.) As for your Rama-

l norm (.2/tazllws his faying :, it is well you come
 ofit,‘ with [yet this I may fry] for it {items to

imply’, as ifyouneither ought not would~*ju{H—
He that blond} ungodly flzyz'ng.:-i and for your
comparing our Reformation here to the Landi-
cean lukenmrmemjfle, proved by Complaints,
Grz'e=vz'ng5,é'c. all that doth, and but unhand-
fornely, Petere prixcipium-, nor can Gencralls
fatisfie Me; for, you muft firfl: prove, that
thofe Men had reafon toscomplaine, . thofe
Churches to be Grievcd, and how we were
truely the Caufers of this fchifme and l'epa,ra-

tion: as for thoie words which you will not
tuft, I will not anfwer.

t :4. Here indeed you truly repeat the firll of

My two maine Arguments ;, but by your fa-i
 your, you take (as I conceive) a wronggway to
‘ l convince  5 It is I muff make good the Af-

B3 A A firmxtive,

 ' H22: MA j’ gm 3 T I E sfeeonel Tape»;

firmetiwe, for Ibclieve ab Negative .cann0’t be?
proved; Inftead of which, if you had madcw I

appear: the Prefiiee of the ePre:b}terian ‘Go-
eyereewent in the Primitive times, you had done
much 5‘ for I doe averre, that this Government
was never Praéfifcd before I Celvz2i;2’:.l time 5 the
-gqffirmaeirye of which, Ileavcyou to prove;
My taslcc, being to thew the lewfelneffiz, and

A feeeeflzflen afflpz‘ e:{mey,ar1d,asIbelieVc, the #8-.-p

“ee/fity ofit: For oing whereof, I muff have

~ inch Books bias I {hall call for 3 which poflibly
upon pcrufall,may, one way or othckxjg, give Mo »

fatisfaétiong but I cannot abfolutely promife
_it,Without the Afliftancc offomo learned Man,
whom Ican trufi, to find out all fuch Clt3II*

onss as I have ufe of: wherefore blame Me

not, if time be unneceffarily loft.

y 5. Now for the fallapieufznflir of My Jr‘
Iy2eem‘( to My knowledge )it was never My pm.-
¢"_fiee,y nor doc I confc{Tc to have begun now;
For if the Preéfiee of the Primitive C/were/7,
and the zmirz/eefezfl ,ee;2fle;et 0/‘ time Fetbers _,be not
_;a convincing Argument, when the Inter rem-
giezeof Sgripieere is doubtful}, I know not ing;

I :F01‘,ifthi$ be not, than of neeefiity them-

ferpretettifaiz Qf ritwzte Spirit: muff “be ad- I

gnittcd: thc_wl icl1i~contraldi;&s SaintPeter,
 P,€t1-~-I- 29+ 15 the L/’Vl~o.t6er of all Sefis, and

W-'.

will (‘if not prevented) bring ethcfc King-I
 Ante eeefigfiee  And to ray, that an Ar..-

gumcntg

Hh MA‘ 1' 7E§'¥?n"sfieo}u175ap:r.   mt
éuméfit is ill, bccaufe the P)t_p:i§?: ufe it, or,.

that fuch a thing is good, becaufe: it is the Cu-

L ftorne offlvme of the Reformed Churches 5 can-

not weigh with ‘Me, “untill you prove, thefe to
be izzfeflihle, or that to maintains he Truth :
And how Diatrephe: amhitian (who direétly

  oppofedthe ./Ipefile .S'.§"ohh) can be an Argu-V

ment againfi Epifeoptey, I doe not tmdcrftand.’
6. When eIt am made a §5zm’ge over the Re-
femged Cherehet, then, and not before, will I
cconfitrc their dfiiflfltg as you mufl: prove, be-_'
fore I Confcfle it, that Preshyter: without 4 Bi-
jhtepamay lewfiellyeordeih other Preshyters : And
as for the Adminiftration of Beptifme, as I
thinks none[wilI fay, that a Woman can . law-
fully, or Duly adminifier it , though when
done, it be -valid; fo none ought to doe it, but
a,laWfiI1l1Pre:hyter ; whom you cannot deny,
but to be abfolutcly ncceffary for the Secmg
mmtof the Euehmfl. A
~7‘.h You make a «learned fuccinét difcoutfl:
oftoathex in gcnerall, and their fCVc1‘2tll omega.

tithe, to‘ whiehitully agree 5? intending, it'1'~tht: V  

particuiar now in qucfiion, to be guidedby
your own: Imle, which is [when any oath hath

A at /]2e.ez'4lI reference to the Benefit of thofe tewhom A

I make theProzmfle,  we have their elefire, or

eonfezetgthe Ohligeltiofi ceefeth] Now,it mufl: be t

kt-10’WnC,t0 whem this Oath hath reference, and
to whofe Benefit :1’ the Anfwer is clcarc, oncly
A h A B 4. A   A to

' -$0 Hzis MA jun sun 9 _/Z-ca:¢d— Paper?’

A '   to the C/mr6b0fEn,glatm1; as hy the Recent’ will

be plain! made appears; andyou much mail?
take in a leaging that the two Houfle: offlarlia...
meat (efpecially as they are now confiitutcdt)
can have this 1)z.fl7£Iligztt0ryP0t19£r,‘_f-O1‘, tbefidfis
that they are notnamed 1.-l1"it)I am confident to
A make it clearly appear to you, that this Clmrch
never did fubmignor was fubordinatc to them;
and that it was "onely the Kifig and Clergy,who
made the Reformatiw, the Parliqment mcerly
flerving to help to give the aCim'l1 Snzgéiion .-
all this being proved ( of which I make no que-
flion ‘~7it muff neceflarily follow,th_at it is onelry

V the C‘/mrcla afEn_gl4m;z’ Kill whofc favour Itook

this Oath‘:that'can1‘e1eafe me from it .';Wh€f€" A
fore when the Church of England (being law-V “

fully Aflembled 2 _fl1all declare that I am ‘free,
Ehen, and notbc;fore,Ifl1all efteetnef My felfe
.0. ~t -  n ~
»  To our Ia{’c-, concerning thcKz'ng m
1’4f5¢’r, 0. happy and famous Memory, bot
for his Pitt and Learning; I mutt tell you,
that Ihad t e happineffe, to know him much
better then you.-, ‘wherefore I defirc you, not
at to he tooeonfident, in the knowledge of his
Opinions; For, Idare fay, fhould his.G/1¢yVl
A mm pea/ea, he would tell you,that a Blotm_'y Re-
a f0I’m4ti072 was nevherlawfull, asanotwarranted
by GM’-9 word, and that fracas 65- lacfzrymagfiazat
flrma Ef!f.l?-’fio?,t*   A ‘ A   '

99 To

A , HQMA 1' E s ":1 A: s fiqanJP4_pef3 A2‘: A
9. To conclude, having replied to all your

lPa'1pcr,lI cannot but obfc-rvclto you, that you
~ have given Mc no Anfwcr to My lafl: Qmerc 5

it may be you are ( as Clmucer {ayes )’ llilkc the

l People afE22glama',l what they not lake, they newer

l may be ufcfull for other things.

V Nemiaflle,

uzzderflwd : but in camel}, that ‘Qgefizlon is fo
pertinglnt to the Purpofc in hand, that it will
much fcrvc for My fatisfafiiong and bcfidcs it

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lation to the fatteflh, (whiehtlhhowfmlall I
they are, year Maj well /memes.-)* the .

T He fmaller the etteottragemettt: he, itt re-

mare apparent, and, I ho]2e,t
will my ehzeeliettee he, in that which in all ttmility
I nawgo aheat,at year]!/Iajeftiese Command .- get
while I eatafider, that the may I of man imet 
himflalfe 5 nor is it its man that walheth, to direét
this anme _/hep: ,-, am’ when I rememher how many
fappelieatiotmawith flreag crating and teares, have
hem elzvettly arid ittflttret ofierealttp in our c/"1/[cu

e more acte tahlu I

jieftie: hehalfe, meta God that hearet prayer, I I

have 140 reafett to tlefiaire ofa hlcjfealfttttefl.

I 1.“ I have heen aéverfe, fromadtfiatatiett  ‘

Diviaet, I . Farjarvittg eftime ;whith the pre-
fetzt exigettte ét extremity afafairs, mahe mere
theta ordinarily pretietta «.5 While Archimedes at

Syracuf: wart drawing hislfzgttreszfiv Circling: iit _
thefatzt!,Marcc11us iaterafted his demonjtratioa.

‘ g: Eecaaje

MA 1’. Ex.-Hr’ N152 h'1§h's‘o'u"'s fccond Paper: / E3.

3. B66‘ fit the common rtfult of'.Dzfl~utt.«: of this‘ ’

hiutlo, oufworohlo to the prejutliouto opiutouxztf
the Purtios, oi: ruthtr Vifiory thou Verity 5 while

_ tanquam .tcntativi ialcétici, theyjtudy more to?
 ovvoroomolthozr utlwetfl: Purty, than to he over-

tom; Truth, although this he the mo/l glorious’

_Vl670rj'. 3. When 1 ant: commanded to come

hither 5 too futh thiug WM propofletl to 7726', ouor
oxpleétod lay tote. I uewr judgoolfo tuouuly of
the Cuofo, uor o highly oftuyfolfe, or to «tau»

turo it upoufuth”wouhutfl”e. Muoh more mtght ho '

fiohou to this purpofo ; hut I fotheuro. 7
A 2. I will not further trouhlo your Mojcfly with
that which :2: toutuiued in the fiztoud Soétiou,
hoping that your Mojosfly willtto more l21fl_/ll u on
Educatian, prefcription of Time, 85C. to ioh
ureoieut to frrewttt Aolmirutioza, hut (which
your Mu ‘oi-'t’y oohuomlodgot) mu]? give place to

Jteufoto, uud ore uofuro ground ofrefolutiou of
our Faith, in 412} point to he holiervotl .- although
it he truth that the mo/l port ofmen mm theft 0'“
the lihe, ‘to. he the grouuoluttd rule ofthotr Faith:
un Evidtuot, thut their Faith to wt 4 hlbivviue

_fdith,.httt uu humuuho Credulity. A l u

3. Couoeruiug Rcformatian of Religion in
the third Seition 5 I had hood of u Profuoe to fit
thortty so Thoume, uoyour Mujefiy hath hrought
me upon; "I. For the Reforming power; tttk
oouooi-veal, when 4 General! Dofiezft'z'ou, like to do,-

lugt, hath gozzerodthe wholofuto  tho Church,

_[o

A 34 MA r;:x:Hz rm 2 a~so1t’s lfirconld Paper?‘
fir tlzotjeereely to: tape, of -the Meontaz'm*doe ,4;--*

genre, as Geotemll econmeefl it zoeocjflzryg beef, oe-

eexofle tlmt eetalloardlly be ol7toitzed,je-verafi K lng-=- V

James A ( ivlrielo we fee were done, at tlre time oft/ye
Reformetiozt)  to reform: tloemflalveg and
elm: by the Aetloority oftbeitfrizzce, and Megz°-

flrette: .- 2f'tloe Primfe ~ or f§lf7'€m8:(fi/tdgilffrdfd l

l&etor1‘ftviEz'og,‘tlteIt mat the inferior Mogl/lrote,
woltbe People, being gefore riglotly informed its
tée trotted: ofRtele'gz'o1t,lo:efelly Reforme, wz'tlo--.
out eir owvte Sylxere 3 and the lzglrtflyiee topaz;
4%, or tlve major pert, they may, after all other
meenesfgfltyed, male: 4 Pzelaliqtoe Reformation.
rte, be ore tin? time, I never wrote or /poke 5, yet
the Maintainer: of their DoEt’rz'r:~e, eonoeirve tlodt

they are able to make it good. But, Sir, were*I= 4
mortby tog-five advice to Your cmojetty, or to tire  

King: wdfitprcme Power: on Eertlo, my humble
epiniors would 6:, time they flaoulo’ drew the.)
‘minds, tongues, mo’ pen: of the learneelj to 
pate elzottt other matter, they the power or Prero-
gative qfI(i7tg.r and Prime: 5 and in too’: Irina’,
your Majefly hotbfefleredoed lay} more,tlmt will
eofily be rejlored to yottr flalfe or our Pofierit],
for 4 longtime.   It  notelemed at theprimcz
Rcformmgpower, :55 in Kiegsengi Brim-5;, Q\ui...

A jbUS"*'dCfiCi€fl_IibU'S, it eome:»to“tlJei1_oferio2* M4-

gzjtrote, Quibus Dcficicntibus,, italeflsenoletlz to

the Body oftlze People; fitppojing tbot t/Bore» it 4

zeeeeffzty offieformotioita orzoltlrot by no 22e_*eozoe.r‘it
t can

M.iAx. sx:H£ up 5 R s on’: fecond Paper.‘ 55

can he -ohtained oj"their Snperiort.   It 1;: trne that 

[itch a Reformation, ientore imperfeffi. in refiefs‘

I of the In‘/trattttnt:,anein"aanner ofProeeahere 5 yet

for the we part, more pnre«andperfE-it in rela-»

tion to the  andprodnéi. And for the’: end W

did I cite the 1:" xatnple: if old of Refitrtnation oh]
Regafl Authority 3 ofw ieh none teaefetfeti‘, in
the feeond may ofjrerfeétion, except that of_Io-
fiah. w Concerning the flying of Groflead, whom

the Cardihnals at Romc eonfézfl to heathen...»  

Godly man, than any ofthetnjé -vet; it were he}:
Complaint; and Predifiion ofwhat tvae likely to

enfue, not hh deflre, or Eleeftion, Refivrmation  

could have heen ehtaineel, in the ordinary way; 4!

Bilfon, hoth fernom Englzjh Bi opt, to protveh

might hring two nnpartiall PVitt?fi.r,]cwcIl and A

that the tnntalt: and tronhlet mi ed in Scotland,
at the time of Reformation, were to he intpntedto
the Papi/he oypofing of the Reff'ormatien, hoth of
Dofirine and Dzfetpline, 46‘ an Heretieall Inno-
vation ;, and not to he 2:/Erihezl to the Nohiliq, or
People, who tinder G o A , were the Inflrntnent: of
it; intending andfeehing nothing, hit the pier?-
ging out of Erroar, and jétling of the Trnth.
2. Concerning thefieforntation of the Chttroh of
England, I eoneeivve, whether it time hegan or
not, in K. Henry the 8. time, it were not finflhed
la}  Elizabeth: the Father flirted the humor:
of the dzfeafed Chnreh; hut neither the Same
nor the Daughter (although we em great rea«—

fhn

f'-55 ‘ M.AI.‘Ex:Hfi ND1?.1w;soN’s fctond Paper}

fan to We Gedfor bath) didpeerge them out peril  

   .- Thai: 1’erfe6lz'en :2: yet refer'U6‘t'+’f0r your ’

at/tejefly : Where it isfeiel, that all this time d
bring nomzafzms, for a further Change  the M

feerth See”lz'en,ofmy lafi Paper, hath many Ahefnts A 

a Red en: 4 einjll Epifcopall Government,
glth emfqflér r§’mere, or eleezriteg eefthefl: 5b which
your cfl/[ajefiy herb not thought fit to tahenetice
If. A-And learned men, have e-bferwd many De-
fecfir in that Refermetien : A: that the Ga-mm-
meeet of the Chm-cbefEngland, (far ebeet their
:2; the Qemeen mm) is not beilded upon thefoem
datieu of Chrlfl and the ulpq/lle: .3 which the},
at ltdfi eezmeet deny , who prefsfl? C’ h1treh- Ga-
werzemmt to be Mutable and Ambulatory; and
fieeh were the greater part of vjrehbzjb ops and
 ops in England 5 eeeetentize themflelsve: with
the ‘Cweftitutien:eof*the Chan‘ , etml the 451141609
rity and Mtenlfleenee effrinees, till ofleteg that
fomefew have pleaded it to he Jurc Divino
That, theflnglijh Reformation hath teat pezfefily

purged out the Roman Le4«-um; which zit. Zmge fof

thefleefmngthet heme girverz ground, to the cam."
faring of the: Church, to the lchxereb of Lao.

dicaea, 46‘ being neither hot tear cold, neither Pow» e

pzjb nor bfiezfermed, but of 4 lukewarm: temper,
betwixt the two :- That it hath depraved the
Dijifipline of the Cheetah, ~ by conforming ofit te

' the Civil! e Peliez : jTh.4t it hath added many
Emil? 019%‘ ‘ iebet W ‘em. em rbvflr 2”»-
 A ' ' ‘ A _[limted be

' M.A1.£x:Hn 2'¢1;> iebhsows fecond »Pap'cr.I 55*
flitated hy thetSoame qfGod-,», which :2: 4: tmlam.
fgfl 5; 1;; mice may officcs warranted lg the Di»
-vine In_/himtim .~ And other the like, w ich haw

  V mmygdfiame, to apply thzkflryizaggta the Church of

England ; M ulti ad perfcéfioncrm pcrvenircnr,
nifi jam fc pcrvcniffc crcderent. 4 A be A
4. In my Anfwer to the firfi‘ of year Majeflies

A many Arguments, I hrzmght 4 Brewiatc affome

Reefer: ta pram, that a Bifhop and Prcsbytcr,
are oneand the fame in Scripture :: from which,

hj azecefllzry '6'0fif€qfi€fi66', Ididinferrc the ncga-R

tivc 5 Therefore, no dmference in Scripture he-
twecn éz B23’/hop and 4 Preshytcrg the arse mam.»
fignifiing, Induftriam Curae Paflzoralis -,», the...»
other,Sapicntiae Matu1*itatcm,f4ith Bcda. Am!
mhcrmr year .M4j'¢.-fly amrrzr, A that Prcsbyteri»
an Government was never praélifcd, before
Calvin’s time 3 your Majefly kreomegthe common
ahjeflion qf the Papf/is, againft the Reformed
Churches; whercrvwyour Churrh, yaur Refer»-
mmm,   year De rim, hcfore Luthcr’s time?
one par-tafthc common Ahfrver :24, that it was

from the beginning, and is to be found in Sari» V

pture :% The flame I affirme of Pr£$hjterian~G0-

«mmment .- Amdforhprowing of thzk, the Affcme ,

bly of Divincs at Weflminflcr, have madema-»
mfiff, that the PrimitivcChri£’cian Church at

Jcrufalcrn was governed by a Presbytery :

  whiletheyjhem, I. That the Church bfjcrufa-

 fflflfified’ qf more Congregation: the» W4’,
.» *~ ‘  '"" r" '" from

"£8  I. nx.~I-In N n n R’: cm’ s fecond Paper."
fiom the multitude of Belz'e«z'oert,” from the man V
Ulpo let, and other Preacher: in that Chztrch;

and ‘row the diwerfity of Lahgaage: among the"

Ifeliervers. 2. That all theft Congregations, were ~

omelet? one Preshyteriall Gorvernmeentghecaafle they

were, for Government, we Charch, AC-its I I.
f 22, 26; And hecattfe that Chart]? wasgowermcl
hy Elclerr, Afis II. 30. which were Elders of 
that Church, avmlclzfelymeet together for g/15.!‘ of

Government .~ And the c./Ipo/llet themjlelrvet,

1'}! that meetz'ttg,A<Sts I 5 . afiea’ not at_<./1 pcflles,
host at E lder: 5 flating the Qfl£:fll0fi, elehatirzg it, “

V at that your Majefly clfclitttetocl any Fa/lacy, in

in the orclittary may of dz’ /Iuttatioa; and having,
hy [2-arch ofscriptttre, foam‘ the will of G’oel,they

conclude, It fecmcd good to the Holy Glhoftl

and us: which in the judgement of theleartzeel,
may he /]2ohm hy any Aflemhly, upon like em’-
clence of'Scrz'ptttre. ‘I he like Prexhyteriazo Goa

wernment haelplace ittthe Chttrehe: of Corinth, V
Ephcfus, Thcffalonica, Sec. in the time: of the  

Apofile: ; and after them, for many yearesa when
oneof the Presbytery mat made Epifcopus Pros»
fcs,erven then,Communi Prcsbytcrorum Con-
filio,”Ecc1cfiee gubcrnabantur, fltith Jerome ;
& Epifcopos magis con,fuctudinc,y quam Dif-

pofitionis Divinoe vcritatc, Prcsbytcris; lcfI'c'y

majorcs, &ti‘n Commune dcbcrc Ecclcfiam rc-
gcrc-H t V A   e      , A
5. Farre he it from we to thinhfitch a thought,’

owe:

MA I. E X:HE.ND 5- 3 5 ON’ 3 fzeond Paper. 29

your other Maine 21 rgzmee;ot,fro7oz gontiqzeity. Ae
we are to deflizogtttjh hetweeh Intent1o"0pcran4tis;,

8; Conditio Qperis ; {o may we tee we eof

eeofieler the difierewee etweeh Intentio Argu-

mentantis, <36 Conditio Argumenti. (flfid

where your Moje/hy orgzoeea thot, ifyoor apineow

i he not oelztoittea’, we will he foreeei to give plate to .

the ‘lntezrprctation of private Spirits, which is
eootrozy to the iDoc‘trz';ee of the /Ipoftle Pctery
and wtllprorve to he of a'emgerotoe eonfeqeteetee ;, I “

homhly W7 to he coo/fidered hy Tow Mojefty, e

whotfome of ohtef note emoeogthe Popifls theme
flelve: hove tttttght we, That the Interpretation

o o/‘Scriptures, and the Spirits whence they pee.-

ceed, may he called private, in o threefololfeetfe,
IQ _RauioncPcrf0n3e, A  the Interpreter hoof}:
jzriwte eiozeditiooe. 2.. ‘Rationc Modi 86 Mr:-dii,
when 1?erflone, although not promote, etfe wet the
pohliqoe meotoes whzeh ere toeeejfory forfiwelzozg
out the Troth, hot follow their owzoe feooeies.
3. Rationefinis, where the Izeteepretation is hot
propofed we /Izttheotttcohi to him! others, hot is it;«-_
tended oeoely for our owne private flotwfofitow.
Thefir/t tit not to he defpgfld ; the feeozed :2 to he

exploeleel, and :25 eoteelemeeeel hy the Apoftle P¢- M

tcr 5 the third ooght not to he eetfeoreel .- But that

Ioterpretotioh which zit Aotheootiewll, awe! of fit-4 M

promo Authority, which were motes eoofleienee e
hoootl toiyeelo’ onto, it of em higher mztore. Anal,
although the Geoeem/1 Coome-llflnotolel refotroe it,

~   o i C » om’

h go M.tA I. E 3: :Hn N min 11 9  fecond Pep%¢.r.‘

we the Cenflmt“ of the Fathersjhaald he had aim

it, yet there tmtjt altvaie: heplaee left to the jttdga A A

mettt efDifcretiert, as Davcnant, late B2‘/he ef

Salisbury, hefide divers others} hath learnedly .

maaeapgeare in his Baolee, De udicc Contro-A
verfiarum; where alfethe -Power of King; in
matter of Religion; £3fhlidly’tlK1dtmP47’tidl7yeI6-
terrtaitted. Two word! Mel} I dddfg one 13:, that
natwjthfianding all that 13' pretettdedfrem r!?2ti-
gait], ha Bi/hop having fate punter aforeiittatiatt

  ahdfurifdtffion, willnever he faattd in Prime V

Antiquity. -'1‘ he etherais, that many of the Pa.-

,ther: did, ttttwittittglj, hrittg ferth that Anti- A

chrift, which was eoncehvedhia the timet of the

Apejfles, and therefore are incompetent fudge:
‘size the fiteffian ef Hierarchy. ‘Amt’ apnea the e- A

thee part, the Lights ef the Chriffiah Chart'h,~at, 4
' ’ ' , _i£fl6lfi2%‘£_ the he‘gt'nning4 of the Refortetatiertghaaee
elfmvered matey jeerets, eomreretirzg the Ami.

Chrifi and he}: Hierarchy,whieh were hot known:

to farmer Age: .- A A and dflverfet of the learned, tire

the Remah Chareh,ha~ve netfearedto praezoattee,
That, whofeevett eletties the true and lzterallfettfe
efmatay Text: ofsmptare, to have heett famed

eat it? thzk leyi‘ Age, is mtthahhfall to God, who %

thathfb pleett.-rfalfy jwwredfarth heir Spirit’ ttpen

the Chz1a’reza,tof”thth Generation, and ahgratey"all'
tmarde the] e men, who‘ with fie great patties, fa 
b&1PPyf“€£€fl‘€§ éife mach hettefit to Goa’: Church, a.

have trawaileei therein : AT might he iflflgateceeit

_ MA I. is x:H12 Nb 2% R s oifs fiscdiidi Paper; 
iii many pleees of Seriptzm? g’  iiwifid tegether
Iaiiotrcphcs and theiMyfi¢ry "‘0‘f” Iniquity, the
mejize M ale! example 1y’Chu7‘eh~eemhiti0fl,whith
am ezlfe we palpnhle in the Apirflles themfl;-‘hue: 5
Ariel the ether M ez cover of dffiéftiefl, after-
ward: elzfeemered ; which two, hreught_flIrth the

' great Myficry of the Pezpaey at lefl. I

4 6. Althaughyazer Maj fly he net made 4 fudge
afthe Refemeed Churches, yet yemfefe'rreeen~
fare them, and their e62‘:-‘em, era, without Be/hope,
iriyezer zedgment, they mixieht have 4 lezwfizfl Mi-
zeifiery, rear ex due Admimjfrutien of the Sacra-
ment: : Again/i‘ which dangefeees eh“ elq/lrué?z'*v’e
Opizeieie, Idid A/ledge what I fuppaf ed, your Ma.-
je/iy would mt ihme denied, A  I . T/We Preehyters
without at Bfffapa may ordeine ether Preehytere.
2. That aptifme, admieeijhreel hy feeh 4 Pref-

“  hyter, is emether thine than Bzzptijhee ezdmim-e
flredhy 4 private Perfhn, er hyezMie{wz‘fe. Of

thefiitfi‘ your Majfiy calls for proqfe I I teld he‘;-

fhre, that in Sfirlpfiflfl’, it is memrfefl, 1 Tim. A

4. 144. Neglcét not the (Sift that is in Thee,
which was given Thee by the Prdphcfic, with
the laying on of the hafids of the Presbytery;
vfe it zk in the Englifl: Tremjlatien : And the were!
Presbytery,   often 45 it. 12¢ ufed in the New Te-he

fiment, elewziesfignzfiee the Pdrfons, and mi)‘.
theOfficc. Afidahthidflgh the 0fi9ee.c of Bi/hop, 4

emelrreehyuter were difliflfig yet dethnet thew
Preehyter derive hie. peeve? of ‘0reier,«fre7;e1fhe

A '§'£' M.A“L 3x:I-in unis Ri'§di~r’s fcccmd Paper?

1 Bi/he  ; T he E-wmgelzftc were ittferier are the
‘Ape lee; yet hedthey their power,‘ mrtfrem the
‘wipfilec, chtttframiiichrifte T he /ewe I ezfiirme
qf’ the 723. ;Di’/Eiples, who had their ponter mime-
dicttelyfrom Chriit, tie lcye then the Apetties

7 -[hazel theirs. A It mczycttpoie A etter reetfete he met-
recl, that the Bi/hops have their emerfrem the
Pope,th.m thatfreshyters have t eir power from

the Prelets. Itie trite, Jcromeflzith, Q_uid facit, . V

_texcc}pté‘. o-rdinationcE ifcopus, quod non facit
  Prcsbyter 5 hzttin the time place he pr'e-ue: from

Scripture,   that Epifcopus 8e Presbytcr are we r _
ml the flame; erzel therefere when he eppre   ri-— V
, ate; Ordination to the Bi/hep, he fiezzheth 0/ the ~

degeheretedcefleme qfhi: time. A ;. Cortcerrtittg
Beptifme, etjtri-wztc Perfete may perferme the ex.-
termzii .A‘ti‘ie.rz ezttclflitec hyth of it and eftheEzt-
eharzflg, jet is neither of the two 4 Stzcmmeiet, er

A 7 ‘hath any efi7caey3tmleff.e it he Jetfehy him that 22: ‘

lawfully calied theretmte, or hy etPerfert ‘made;
ptihliqtte and cletheclwith Authority hy 0re1z’;tci-
etiett. This Erroztr in the matter‘ efBeptifme, it

hegot hy cmether Errettr, of the eefizm Necef i

fity q]‘Betfl-hzfeee.

«

7, To that which hath heettflzicl. cemrerttittg h

yettr» Metje’/lie: 04th, I [hell dclcle nothing 3 not

. heiregwilliteg to ettterttpett the ,Qte'jiio;i3 efthe A’ A
' feherclimtien of the Chttrch to the Cirvilipewer, ' A

whether to King, or Parliemetet, or hath, enclto
either of them, in their time piece. Such em

M ii H644:/ht? i

M.ALEx:Hn_Nn1=.tg soN’s fecond Paper; 3;“
Hgagybip m the K ittgs of England hath elaimeel,
aha’ fetch a fapremaey do‘ the Hottfe: of Parlia-
ment crave, with Afpeale: from the fitpremu
Eeeleflaflieall gliaelieatare to them at feet over the
Church, in the fame line of Sahordirtatiort, I aloe
atterly olzfelaitree upon faeh Reafime aagiwehmy

A felfefafiefaotttoa, although no manjhall he more

We/lite tel    
in -their mime place 5 and more atonaillirtgf to

’ makeatty troahle then my flalfe : ottely comer-

tzirtg the applleatloh of the Gerteralls ofatt oath,

to the partioalar cafe zoom he hated; antler fa»-

eooaral eetteeleve toot how the Clergy of the C hatch

A If England, :25, or ought to he _przttoipally e'tttett--

eleel, in your Oath : For, although they were e--

A fleemeel to he the Reprcfletttati-ve Qharehgyet eroeto “

ahmitltocivill Powers, eaeh one...» ,

that 55 for the henefit of the Chareh Colleolirvej V
Salus Populi, heirtg Suprema Lax, anal to he...» A

prihelpallytttteadeel. Toar Majefly lmotves it
was fo in the Chareh of Scotland, where the like
alteration mat made. L/1ml,z'f aothtoog of the}:

hind can he elem: toithoatrthe eortjhzot 3f the Cler--- . A.

gy, what Reformation can he expefle» in France,

‘ or Spainc, or Rome it fltlfe? It 13! 720$ to he

expeéteel, that the Pope, or Prelate toilleonfeht

A to their ozone rairte. \ %

‘ oh 8.. I will not prefttme apart atayfeeret hoowledgel

efthe Opinions helol hy the Iiittg, year at/Iaje tee
Father, offamom Memory :, they hetrtg math

hetter l€fl0Wfl€ to year yd!/tajefly. A1 ollel ooelyfro- A

.03

ate,

 c M."AhLéxh.~I-=I1=.NIo 2 3 soi~::" so fechond Paper.

dgtgea what mt: profefl hy him.) hefore the world .-
Ateol although Prayers, and Teorei he the Armee A

of the ‘Chttrohy; yyetait is neither ttcceptohle to
God, gm L’¢?fla’tt&$'-ih»let'tf‘0r Kttegs tmeJ~Pg'i;tcet, to

Ah c force the Church to pttt ate thefl: Armezt .- Nor "

could I ever em o rcezfote, why, at ttecejfizry De-—
fmfiizre Weerre otgt1flZfl'Z§fijfljh Violence 13‘ tmlclm-
full, although it hefoyteecl wtth oflmce med imxzt-

h fiozt ttz?7oich'hz}5 itttemledfor Defence, htttfo that

Armes are [eye-a’ domtee when the Ofihhfive War
eeofeth .- hy which it cloth tzlcpettrte, that the War
on the other fide, met, in the mttttre thereoy’, Dea
_fenfi*t.!e. , A c ‘

  9.? Cottcemiteg theforcitgg (9f'Catt_fl‘ic7tt'e3n7hich

A I pretermitted in my other Paper, I am forced

flit; gje,h.«fl_ch to the ptmzjfhmezet ofhtheformer :4

team hit! tvithattt forcing of my Ctittfciettge, tot
fizeczhc 0/’. met Cehjbiehce may hefiticl to be for-
ceol ; either hy 0157‘/h'l‘Z.N5*.$‘,v or hy ethersw By our
filwes, I . when tve/lop the ettre qfottr Coxtfcience
and will not heathen, orgirve place to informa-
tiott, refhlwiztg ohjtiztately, Ne fi perfuafcris,
perfuadebis ;, which is he We then at re/i/ting of

_z-heflolyh Gfhc:/ta two! the hardhing of our hearts. V

2; or whete weflop the tezottth ezeclfitppreffe the
clezmoztrs of our Cohfeiettce ; refitlwtng rather to
fttfer the worme to gteonza and the fire to httme
tmpmtly, then to mohept1gfle"y.?io‘nof that we are
co;e?z:ie:rc*ect to he 7' Hit/9.‘ 3. Or when we fettre am:
Cottfciertce, 2:34’ with on hotfrottythztt zt heeometh

‘;i‘Wh

h NLWAI. nx:Hn ND E R é 0375 fecohnd Paper. 35
onto which i: oppofied,   the trail} T ender Confcj...

V €flb'¢':’;_fll£'b at Jofiah had, 2 Kings 22., 19. U1-
i gaine, 1. oar Cenfoienee zés faid to he forced hy

others; when they ohtrade upon are whdtzefn it
felfe evil! and dnlawfn/I ; which ifwe admit, a-

i gainfi oar ozone Conjeienee, wefinne, two waiee;

one is, hy doing that which is in itfe/fe will and

i unlawful! ; the o’ther is, hy, doing it againfi a di-

éiaee ofconfeienee, which is a eontenope ofGod,
eohoflz I/ieegerent it is‘. 2. Or when other: nrge

‘ mete doe, that which is in itfeifegoodaor may lam.-

fully he done._, hat throng}; erroar of Con eieneea

- we judge z't_a to he evil!) and anlawfali .- in this
cafe, if we doe not that which is prefz‘ npon oer, »
wefinne, heeaafe the thing isgood and lawfie/Z .- A

And Ifwe doe inwedfinne 3 heeaofe we doe againfl
oar Confeienee. ’Whieh iflithllhi‘ eafle hindeth, hat

ohligeth not .- Andyet there it a may to efeape oat
” of this lahyrinthg it heing repugnant to the equi-

ty ofthe will of God to lay a N eeefi xty offinning
open any man : T he onely way is.) to lay afidefaeh
aconfeienee; if heing a part of the Old man .~
Which we are eonnnandedto pot .-, otherwife,
we lacing afiieiently informed, andyet eieawng
to enrol ~jC7'I’01I7'; we rather doe violence to oar
Confiienee one f€l’.U,_€5 then fafer vvioleneefiom

others. The Application, for Anfiaveringehag V

Quafre, I leave to your Maje/Y}.

hi Ne1hveafz‘le,h A
June I7. 1646..

V 36

Inatetmtatnntgtateertttnotatutnennttdatttt  

hFor Mr. /ex. Hmdetfin.
InRepIy to his fecond Paper,
‘ gfmze 2 2.31645.

, Hz}: (M A 33 E TIE s 2/ml Paper.

  

 in Me to vie prezzméles with you 5 For, it

fiery; trhereforel fljall only infift upon thofc
things which are meerly neceflhry to my owne
Iatisfaflionz, in Order to which, Idefireduthc

nfii/ifimcc of fonne DzVtrz'7m5 whereupon I will I
infifl no fu1'EI1C1', fave onely to wifh, that you ‘ I

may not {as I have known: many Men doc)
lafe time by being miftakcn in the Way to flwe
it, w11et'einIIt9.ve onely fought to disbutden

_  It were arrogance, bcfides loflé ofhtimc, I

 is tmtla It feek, and neither pnzzfe, not w? I‘

My feIfe,.but to Iayno blame uyon you, and V W

{'0 I leave it.

2. Nor willlfay more of the tfecond then
4 this, that:I am glad you have {o well approved A
  fv.zhathI have {aid concerning My edacazian
 and mzfotz 3‘ but the_n rcmernberfi that another

._,2’.§t:mzr.s‘ will, is_at Ieaft, has weake a ground, to
but-Id My Faith ugon, as My former edum-A
W27??? ' he I I

I 3eIn_;

Hols MA  as '1‘ I E_ S tloz'roI‘.Z’ozpor§ 

3.   In this there are two points; -Firllz, con-
ccrning the Reforming ‘power, then anent the

 Ezoglgfla Reformation; For the firfi, Iconfefle

you now fpeake clearly, which before you did
but darkly mention , wherein I {hall mainly

A differ with you, untill you {hall fhew Me better

reafon : yet thus farre I will goe along with
you, that when aciozoemll Cozmcell cannot be

i had, fevcrall Kiogdomo: may. reform: them- or

    felves, (which is learnedly and fully proved
by the late tA'ro/oozjloop ofcozoteroury in his dill-

puration againft Fzjbor) but, that the inferior
Moog-iflrotoi or People (take it which way you
will) have this power, I utterly deny 5 For
whieh,by your favour, you have yet made no

i e fuflicient” proofe, to My judgement: ‘Indeed,
, if you could have brought, or can bring autho-

rity of Scripture, for this opinion,I would and

A 7% will, yet, with all reverence fubrnitg, but as for
your Examples, out oft/or Ola? T efhtmmt, in My

mind, they rather make for, than againft Me,

‘ all tlioferoformotiom being made by I(z'zogQv;
  and it is agood probable ( though I willnot fay

convincing) flrgzomyomgthat if God would have
approved of a popular reforming way, there

a were Kings of jludot/3 and Ifroel fufficiently neg-—

, ligentand ill to have made fuch examples by .3,

but by the contrary,, the 16.. Gimp. oflvmooloors

‘ fhewcs clearly, how God dz‘ approve: offuch
courics; but I forget this flértion is to hem,

proved

38  Hit?-Mtkj'E$'1',I¥$ ytlyird Paper.

proved by you 5_ yet I may put you in the way,-
wlzerefore let the tell you that this pretended

gamer in the People, ‘muft ( as all others) either
i e diteélly, or die declaratotily by approba-

I tion, given by God 5 which, how foon you can
A doc, I fubmit gt" Othcrwife you prove nothing :

Fotthe citing ofprivate Mens opinions ( more

  then as they tconcutre with taéegenerall cmfmt

M ttottte of nowl thought it was {ufficientno-

of the Cbttréh in their time ) weighs little with
Me, it being too well known, that Rebels newer

wanted Writer: to maintain their tmjztfl affionsg A

and thoughl much reverence Bifhop Jewel:

memory, Inevet thought him‘ ittfa/lthle; for A

Bitfon I remember well what opinion the Kitzg
My Father had of him for thofe Opinions, and
how He fhewed him fome favour in hope ofhis
recmtatimt, ( as His good nature made Him do
many things ofthat kind ) but whetheri he did ,
or not, I cannot fay : To conclude this point,
untill you {hall prove this ipafition by the ward
ofaaa’, {has I will Regal! Atttlaority) I {hall think
all popular Rtjfbrmatian, little better than Re-
éveflionsg for, Ihold that no Authority filam-
fttllbtttitbat ‘which a either‘ direétlyigioen, or at
‘leafi, gzpprarved éy Goa’. 21)’. Concerning the

Engltfla Reformation, the fitfl reafon you biing ~
why Q: Elzfiaivctb did notefiniih it, is, izemttfu i
flue took: not moat} Epzifitopaey, the‘bi7?t5v0f‘r€:1’['073 V

dgklfiflfli mbttlti Gawemmettt, you fay I take 120 3

rice,

Hz§rM“Aj 5 sex a s ,tlaim’Pa_/yer. l 39
rice; yea and anfwer too, when Ir toldyou, a

  negative ( as J conceived  torrid not be peeved,

and that it was for Me to prove the affirrmz-
tirue; “which I {hall either doe-,or yeilcl the Ar»
gurnent,las {bone as Ilfhall be aflified with

Banker, or fuch Mmof My opinion,“ who, like

you,Qhave a Library in theirbraine: Ancl fo

‘ I mull leave this particular, untill I be Fumi-

pline to the czruzat//policy, lfbould be h a depraving

filed with mean: to put it to an zffzze 3 which had
been {boner done, if I could have had My will:
indeed your feconcl well proved, is molt fuf-
ficient, which is, that the Efiglzjh ClaarcIa-Go-
-zzemmmt :25 not lmilded upon the fomdatiaa of
Chrifi‘ and the uifq/flex -.5 but I conceive your

probation Sftlris, doubly defeétivcg for firft, _ r .

A albeit our Arc/Jhiflmps and Btjlwps fhould have

profefled Church-government to be matable ér
ambulatory, I conceive it not fufficient_ to prove
your Affertion : and feconclly,  am confident
you cannot prove, that moi’: of them rnaintai—~
ned thisrlwalking pofition, (for fome particulars
muft not conclude the generall) for which you

muft findrmuch‘ better Arguments than their i

being content with the Canfiitation of the

Clmrr/7, and the aatlaority and mrmylcemetaf .

Prim-es, or you willfall extrearnly lhort: As
for the retainizzg oftlve Romzm lawn, you mull:
prove it, as well as fay it, elfe you fay little:
But that the conforming of the “Cbz1m’a a’zfcz'-

'40  H12: MA 1' 2.5 1' I :5 third Paper.

l eofit, I abfolutely deny; for I averre, that
i .Witi1OUt it, the Church can neither flourifh, not
be happy: And for your iaflz inftance, you M

{hall doe well-to {hew the prohibition of our
Saviour it againfl: addition of more Officers in
the C/mrclia than he named; and yet in one fence

I doe not conceive that the Cérzml: of England

hath added any 3 for, an U1 rchézf/hop is onely

a diltinéiion for order of Gaverfimefit, ‘not a i

new officer, and {'0 of the refl; and of this

i kind, I’ believe there are cliverfe now in Sfifitldfld

which you will not condemne, as the Moderate
tor: ofA(femlalie:, and others. a

  4.. Wliere you find a Bzjhap, and Preséyzfer, ll ‘
i in Scripture, to be one antlthe fame (vvhichl
deny to be alwaies fo) it is in the Ape/idle: time ;_

now I thinlc to prove the Order of Bz]7:qp: fuc-

ceeded that of the cAp0fHe:,and that the name  

was chiefly altered,‘ in reverence to thofe who

were immediately chofen by our Saviour, (al-t
4 heir, in their time, they caufed diverie to be

called fo, as Bzzrzmlma and others) fothat, I
believe, this Argument malcesr little for you-.4

  As for your proofe of the antiquity of Pref:

_ évfierizm Government, it is We1ltl1atthcAjfl3m-

My Qf Dioyines‘ at IVcj?mz'm‘2‘er can doe more
i then Eufeéim could, and I ihallbelicve, when I
y jfe-cit‘; for", your: former Pa er affirmes, that

thofc timeslwere very darlce or matter offaéf,

_ and will he fo {till for Me ifthercbe no clearer
_ M   ..  v y by Argu:

  H12: Maj‘ E s 1' It  tI2£rd€2§aperI L 4'1?"

Arguments to prove it, then thofe“ on men- 

tion: forgbecaufe there were diver e Cwgre-
gatiwzs in §e‘emfalcmy; ergo,wlmt «3 arethcre not
diver: Parzflzes in we Din-my? .5’ (youf two fltfl:
I anfwer but as one Argument) and becaufe
the g./Ipoflles metwith tboflz oftlye inferior 011-
dergfor A52‘: of Gowrmezezat .3. what then 2’ even
fo in thefe times doe the Deane: and Chapters,

and many times thofe of the inferior Clergy all A

lift the .B.»7L/120'}?! 5 but Ihope you will not pre-
tend to fay, that there was an equality between
five (/1 Fame: Mm’ other Preshyters, which not
being, cloth (in My judgment) quite invalidate

A tltefe Arguments: And if you can fay no

more for the fClmrcbe.t qfcarimtb ifflpliqfatat,
T/aajfétlomiczza gémlthen youhave for yieruflzlem,
it will gaine no ground on Me .3 -As for  §’e«-
game, it is well l{l‘1OWflC that he was no great

' Friend to Bzjlmp..r, as being none himfelfe, yet

take him altogether, and you will find that he

, makes a cleet tiiltinétion between a Bzjlmp and

ya PrE5't§')IZ‘t?r,(1S_}7OUi‘l felFconfefl”es -abut the truth

IS, hewas angry with thofe who maintained ‘

Deacon: to be equall to lI’re:5yter.s~.
  5. Iam “well fatisfied with the explanation

is of your meaning coneetning the word Fallacy,
  though Ithinke to have had teafon for laying

what Idid:yBut by your layout, Idoe not

conceive that you have anfwercdthe firenjgth y
e of my Argument, for when you and I differ

yupon

*4’: A Hi: MAj1=."r'rI_ns tlaz‘fa’Pizper.llA

uponthe interpretation of Stijiptttre, and! a}§'..l  

peale to the prmfififl of the Primitive C/attrt/9,

and the tmifverfltll wttfettt aft/we Fathers, to be A

judge between us, metltinleks you fl10u1d8ei'the[
find at fitter, or fubmit to what I ofier; neither
ofw-hich( to My undetftanding ) you have yet
done 3110]." have you fhewne how,Waving thofe
Judges! appeal: unto, the mifchiefe, of the in-
tcrpretatio-n by private S pints, can be ptevena
ted. Indeed, if I cannot prove by antiquity,
that ordination and gfiurzfdifiian belongs to

Bijlropt (thereby cleerly d‘iPtinc-xuiihincr themy
from other fretbyters) Ifhall ztahen bebgint to

mifdoubt many of My former fimttdiztions;
(as‘for Bifhop Daevemmghe is none ofthofe, to

Mwhomlhave appealed, or will fubmit.unto)f

but for the exseption you take to Fathers, I
take it to be a fiegging of the ‘Qgejtioia ; t as 1i1:e--

wife thofe great difcovcries of fecrets, not A

knowne to former Ages, Iihall call 726127572-l

“ «mated fancies, untill petticularly you {hall

provethe contrary; enclfot your Roman Au-

tliars, it is no i teat wonder for them to feel:

Ihifts whereby to tnaintaine Novelties, as well

-as the Puritans i: As for Church-ambition, it  

doth not at all terminate, in fecking to be

A Pipe.-t, for, Iltakeit to be no point of humility
toyyentclezivout to be independent of Kings, 1t

beihg pomble, that Pttpaty in a multitude may
be as clangerous as in am. i A 
 V — . 6.‘ As

1 H13 MA jun‘: 1:125, ;hird‘P4per." 4; J

 As I am no findge over the_Re_'fi7rmed
Churches, fo neither. doc I cenfuxethetn, I for
many things may  avowableupon nectffity,
which otherwaies are unlawful! 5 but know,

once for all, that I elleeme nothing the better =

bccaufct it is done by fuch a particular Clmrcb

(though it were by the Cbnré:/9 of England,
which I avow moft to reverence ) but I eftccmii

that Cbarcb molt, which comes nearefc to the
purity oftb: primitive Dbifriage and Difcz'plz'ne,,
as I believe this doth : Now concerning ordi-
nation, I had you prove that Preséyterx with-
out a Bzflmp might lawfully ordnine, which yet:
I conceive you have not done 3 For,2 Tim. 1.6.

it is evident that Saint Paul was at Tinaotlzics I

ordination 5 Andalbeit that all the femnty had

their power immediately from Cbriff, yet it is \
hasevident that out Saviour made a clear di-I-

Ptincftion between the twelve /Ipoflle: and the
ref: of the DzfcipI:5,Wl1iCl1 is let down by three
of the iE«vangclzfl.c, whereof Saint dmyrée calls

it an ordination, Mark 3.15; and S.Lnl'e fayes,*

And aftbenn be 6/aofizfnvel-ve, (ha. Ln/cc 6. I 3..

onely 5. Matthew doth but barely enumerate

them by their name of diftinfiion, Mat. 10.. I.
I fuppof: out of modefty, h.imfclFe being one,

* and the other two being none are more parti—-

cular: For the »ndn¢inzfz‘r.<ztz'ean ofBnpt{fm,giving,

I but notgtanting what you fay, it makes more
for Methen you: but I will not engage up,
I I I 1   I   on H

444 yHz£:MAjnsr1rstbir.¢l‘Paper. V

  I on new %eftions, notinecelfaryfor My puri-

pofe.

had done as well to have omitted yourin-
fiance; ’but,'out of dtfcretton, Idefireyou to

I colleét your Anfwer out of - the laftSeéIion;l V

I 7. yForMyr0ztt7a, you doe well not to enter in
upon thofe Quefitons you mention; and you I

and for your Argumeenr, though the intention ‘
of I My Oath be for the good of the clam» col. 
leéfive, therefore can I bedifpenfed Withall by _

others than the réprefleazvztivve Body 2’ certainly
no more than the People can dtfpence with

 Me for any yoatlas I took in their favours, with;
out the two H cafe: of Parrliamem 5 as for future I
reformations, I vvil~1‘onely tell you that imam- I

madam zwnfilvit Argumewtzam.

8.. For the Kmg my Father: opinion, if it I

were not to {pend time (as Ibelievejneedlefly,

I could prove by living and written teftimo-4 I

nies, all, .y and rnore,then I have {aid of Him,

for His perfvvafion in thefe points which I now 1
maintaine 5 and for your defenficve Warre, as I,

doe acknowledge it afgreat finne for any I(in-g
to-evppreyfié the ‘Church, fo I hold it abfolutely
unlawful for Suézjeéfslupon any pretence what-—
foever ) to make Warre ( though dtfenfive) an
gaiuft their lawful! Sawmigne 5 againft which
no lelfe proofs will make Me yeild but lGnd:

1I7t97"6l33.l'ld let Me tell you,that upon fuch points» I

as tl1efe,z’72fz‘ames,. as wellas camparifcvm, M6

odioaav. A A A 9. Laftly, M

% Hz; MA 1' as T I E s tkir5lPa_D£r§ 45
9, Laftly,you mifiakc the fqrzere in my firft “

Paper to which this pretends tr enfwergfor my
Cmeftion was not concerning force  Argm
mam: ( for I never rtdoubted the Iawfulneffe of
it )butfirse 'afArmeJ; 15.0 Which, I conceive, it
faies ‘little or nothing, un1efl'e (after My ex-
arnp1e)you refer Me to the former Se&ion;t.hat
which it doth, is meerly the making aftbe 93¢-
flim, after a fine difcourf: of the feveral wayes
of pcrfmdzng rather than farting of confci-
encc : It clofe up this Paper, defiring you to
take notice, that there is none of thefe Scéfions
but I eouid have enlarged? to many more lines,
fame to whole pages; yet I chotfe to be thus

brief; knowing you will uinderirand more by at

worcii than others by he lo-ng difcdurfe ; truffing
lfltewife to -your ingenuity, that "rwfan epita-
”mi{eel._, wifl weigh as much with you as ifit  
were at l’a1'ge. V  

fifiunctzwn. 164.6.

D h A   For

495

«eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeereeeeew

For He ax/[eje/2z.g.,,  
 Concerning the Authority of the Fathers, A
    - and praérifcof the Church. \
“ V   ffiwly 2. 164.6, 

.._.—.-

  i L _ Mrfdlexe Heem’e;;fm’r third Pezper. i V ~

‘  A 7  ihmyfhrmer Papers fl*¢£flee7 the
 ‘  flee: gefyoee cJ?Vtezje.f2‘z'e5 ePrepo/e"tie;e:,
‘“  azedfindiizg hyyohr c/‘Vtezje/hie: e l4.F»‘r1’a-

  

pa}, 'C'fii2l‘r0‘2J€Ifl‘€J‘_t0 he multiplied, (I helz’erue)h

heywelyezzr e/"I/lezjeflies z'ez1eeztiemV in the hegz'n-
‘hing -4 A’: eeneerrzizeg the 'ReformingPower :
The Reformation of the Churchyof England;
The differen-ce betwixt a Bifhop and a Presby--
tcr; The warrants of Presbyterian Govern-
ment; The Authority of Interpreting Scrip-
ture; The taking and keeping of Publique

Oathes; {T he forcing of Confcience; zmelemz-«g

fly ether ihferier zmel fehereliemte flee/liorzr,
nghieh‘ are Brgmehee inf thefe -mez'm:Com.‘roruer-
fies .- All which in efeztgérfhéfery manner to ele-
teejmine infew wards, I leave ta mere prefhmih
Spirits, whe either flee 770 heat: of Dzffieteltier,

er emfifld It am] rather to wet them efjimdezgthen V

 ."?;

MA 1‘. Ex.-I-It ND 2 R s'oN”$ third Paper; 
tr) rmlaeflz them .- yet will I not 2:]? may T ergt'ver~
fittiom, tear doe I ideclitte to ofihr my htmxhle Opt”-

A term with the Reeflrrtt thereof, in the etvjte time

eeheerning each "ofthem-.3 which in ahediettte to
year Mdjefllts efommend, I have hegtm to deed!-
elreedy. Ohely Sir, hy your U!/Ieje/lie: fltemtt-~
irehlepermgfiioe, fer the greater expeditzoit, and
that the prefertt velitattoh: may he hraught. ta
fame r'fl"tte,r I am hold to etttreztt that the Method

7 may 51‘!!! little altered, and I treaty have leeway

teen: to hegfee at 4 Prinetplejdnd that whithjheztld
have heeh, inter pPrecognita-5 I 7WEtlt26 the Rule,-
hy which we ere te preeeed, and to determine the
rprefeet Certtrmverfie of Church policy 3, without
which we mi/lehe led into er lehyriteth, emdwrmt er
thred to tvihd M A ottt egeihe. I72 year Mejrftier
firfi‘ Paper, the univerflall cufizome of the Pri-

mitive Church, tk L‘0t¢L‘€i‘7J66lt0 he the Rule. Itt A

the freezer! Paper, Secftroh the 5.. T he pracfcife of
the Primitive Church, and the uniVerfa11con--

fent of the Fathers, is made 4 eohwineirtgdrge» A
meet; where the Interpretation of Scripture is 

dozthtftrll :-, Irtyoztr third Paper, S e62‘. 5‘. the pram
fiicc of the Primitive Church, and the univer-

ll fall confent of the Eathers, :3: mttdé’ gfedge 5 and

I know, that nothing it more ordinary be this
£?1f€J‘3‘i0fi, 156” t0 4h’c'eg‘e« Amciq uity, perpetual!
Succeflion, univerfall Confent of the Fathers,
med the univerfall praflife of the Primitive

Church, eteeerdtztg te theillrtle of Auguftinc,

Dz A Quad

43 MALE X: HE N02 R5015“ third Paper},

(mod univcrfa teflfit. Ecclcfia, ncczi Confilio
infltitutum, fed fcmp€_1‘f€fCntUI_I1 eff, non,ni£i,
Authougatc APOBCOIICII , t1‘3»d1tu~m rccitiflime

A crcfdituf. '1“ here M13 this Argumrent at the '

vz2vz7ew,fl2.mI4c/9 -<£p;p647’4-W3 .33i-€af‘9z¢, A that it 

muchwérlee upan 4  A 7734714 ;» yet éeing WM

examined 422;! rightly W633‘/fed it will lane fozmd ta
lee afm! gym wicigbt ;. fqr éq/idea aim t/my mzmr
will new bem4a’c,' gaad m the 56/M1143 cf 4 Dia-

caefan Bifhop, lawving pd1;11£’r qf0rdimtzTwz-
and furzfafiéflam, 2;/were bemg 4 multz'mdc{ ofP4~ -

tlaerst, m/1a;zmi;2t4z'zze tlmt Bifhosp and Preabyner
are ofonc and the fame Order 5 1 jlm/1 humbly
gfir flame few Confidqratiam aéom‘ the zmjor,

emufe it {mt/2 éeen an inlet to many dmgeramf
Errarsa and /74%: proved 44 mz'g/aty bzlnderzmce
and abffruéizfw to Reformation of Relzgion,

  1. Fzirff, I ckfirc it may érzcma/z"d’ercal,a téax“

xv/miles flame%mm(*e’twa Rule: for defining Cmtra;

Vzzerfiess tlye wwd Q/‘God zmdmtz“qm‘tj; (whisk
‘ they mil! have ta 576 received wit/2 aqua/Zvezaeram

rim) W, M the Papzfb ca,/1 Mam’ Canonicall
Authority, anVd«Cath4oalicall Tradition; amid»;

timers, maleeA Scripture to be the anal} Rulci, Amd .  
Antiquity tém mwhmtick Interpxzctcr 5 the [max A
Zft/mtmo veemesjte me»t0+b(: ‘ the greater ¢'.rraMr,.- &

ecamfle 2:/as  zfifirtath 2;; 4 parallel, in tlwfizmé

degraewit  Scrzfwzzre; mi t/Mk warild create 4.
S#‘fl£ri6r,‘i1¢.4/Jig’/216? degree 4lwveAScrip;tm,*e.-A V *

For t/ye interpretation aft/are vFztt5e,.r.é [ball 54
% A 4 A W V the

MA L 1a.x:II—I2a my 2 R s cm’ 3 third Paper. 49

“ tbe AMI), and 4cc~alwmredt;he «wry Gazzfi ‘aml Rm»,
fan for wlzicli we" wmvefive and Alxeliewe fizzle 4
plan: ofscriptzm w~luzrur:fmla 4 farm 5 amdtbm,
Menflmll bzwe Domimm over our Faltlxjagdmfl

2 Cor. I . 24. «our faitl _/19.2117 flayed in the wzfdoma

V of man, and not imlve pvtverlofam’, 1 C0r.2.5..

and Scrzftzare flmll la qfpriwte iflterfrezmiom ;
For tlye Proplvefie Mme ism: of old by the will zf
man,  Pet. 1. 20,22. Nifi homini Deus plasma
crit, Deus non erit, Homo jam Dco propitius
CUE’. dcbebit,fl—zz‘tla ~'1“cr”tu11ian. ‘ A ' i
2. lflmtvscriptmfe cannot be Amlaezetimlly 2'11-l
terprezed lwzt by Slcrzfture, is ma:azfe§z‘fr'am_ Smi-
pmre 4..-{T/ac Lervites gave thefivnfi: oftbe Law’ by
me other njzeam-,lxat by Vsmfptzmr 1’tfé;lf;N€I1.3.=3.
ur Szzrviourfor example to us, game the trap
fezzfi’ of Scripture, againfz‘ tlsre ldeprwatians af
Satan, by comparing Scriptzme wit}: Scripture,

A and wt 6} 4/lagging any Trzflimonies mt aftlae

Raébifls, Mat. 4. Arml the  oflles, 2‘m;‘l9eir

15' pz'fi‘le:, tlfétl no otlmr help, but 2‘ e z:lzl;gc°71tcom-
V paring pffiraplyeticall writings 5 lztke M the U!“- A

«file Peter, will lame mi: to compare the clearer
lzgbt of the wpq/lies, with tl7é more olfmrw‘
1zgbt.zftlJe Prap/am‘, 2 Pet. L19. /1;*m'wlm2 we
léetakeaurfielvcs tn the FmlJér:*, we lizzrve mcdta
tailee heed, tlaztt, with the‘ Papifls, . we mmrfe not
tble%”Scriprure.¢ of olafmrity or imperfefilom .l

 fZ'lre,lFatl9‘er3 tlaéwgfelwei ( as they are cited
.5] Protqflazat Writers) bold tlark Camluflmaz, that
A A D 3 Smj)ture

V '56 M.AI. Ext}-In ND E R s oN’s thirdyliapcr.

.S‘triptttte tit hot to he thterpretezlahrtt hy S£t‘ipt‘ttr€
itfefi .~ To this pttrpefigemohgft many other Teé-

flimehiet, they htittg the fitytttg of Tcrtulliana

Surge vcrimsgipfa Scripturas mas interprctarc,
quam Confuetudo non novit; nam ii tnofeet,

non heffet : it hhem Scripture, ' it ttateld he 4-:-‘
fhetmedef t't_[e.!fi, ttttel eetzfle te he my more.

4. Thtttftttee Beret’: have heett reeei-veal, etttet’
t~thtitmee1fettt Zettg time, in the Chttreh .~ The
Error of Free will hegitmihgat Jufiin Martyr,
totttimteet’ till’ the time efRcf0r1nation,eltheetgh
it zttte :re;’et'z‘eet’ hy Augufiinc , t5 the Divine
Right offipifcopacy we/5 eppefitl hy others. The
Errernhettt the Vifion of God, That the Souls
of the Saints departedfee not the face of God,
till the Judgment of the Great Day, nttte held

hy Yzlteiroverfetll Cettflettt .- the fltme may he fetid hf h

the error of the ch./“Viz”/Zemtryeeg, tmtt’, whieh were
ttettr/yr tatttheth ttpett the A ptefeht, QJIIE/hid”, the
flttfltiefitl erretlgtegfly tzhettt the Antichrifl met!
Myfiery of Iniquitjt, which edit! he-gin to war/he
tit the thtyet ef the pdgejtlet. Mtmy other I22-
. meet might he hrettg t M }9V0'ZJt’ the univcrfall
przifiifc Ofthc Churchytt were met twtrrettted hy

the Hpflfihdlg M in the Rite: qfBaptifmc and V

.P_raycr; and the ftIrmiflg'!I}9i amt] drawing :94.
gather of the Articles tfthet Creed, that :35 called
Symbolum Apoftolicum.-, the .¢’17f6’t"’.U2lz‘i011 of

A tmtty Fcafis 4:74 Eafis hath gdfiieverflzty and

W"eeh{y¢

A ..M.A1.nx: He Nib E R>$0N’8 third Paper} 5:’

5... That itt: not 4 matter-fa iztcredihle, at im-
pcflihle, ttcfome hwcttlclhtttue it eppecre to he; for
the .Primitt'vt.re Chttrch to have me.» efttclden de-
fettiehfrom the Apeftclicztll parity .- T he people
cflfracl, in the jhort time cf Mofcs htk chfetece

(W the Mctmt, ttmtea’ ejide .qm'ckly, tmclfefi’ ttttc

herrihle, tIcleltttry,EXOd. 3 2 . fame after the death
qfjofuah, creel the Elder: that heelfeeta the greet
works, which the Lord hctcl clcztefer I fracl, there
ercfl: hflmcther Getterctictt after them, which a’z'd
evtllitt the fight of the Lem’, Judge. 2.8: 7. fame
after’ the hzt.ilclt'ttg cf the T emple, and feeling of
Relzgicn hy David tmcl Salomon, the wet]/rip cf
Gael W44’ defileclhwith Iclcltttry : when Rehoboam

, heel e/ltthlzflaeel the Ktngdeme, he forfltch the Letter

If the Lard, . we all Ifracl with him, 2. Chron.
I 2.‘: . fled the flpcflle fltyct to the Geletieztc,
Gal. 1. 6. I marvcll that you are‘ {'0 foone re»

A moved unto another Gofpel: why thetxjhttll

we thizthe ttflrenge, thatitt the matter cfDtfi‘t'—-

plirze, there flmttlet’ he cl fttclclett clefectichae/jtecte/t’]‘ \

it heihg begun in the time ef the Apeftle: *3 I
Imam it ‘I23’ 4 Wcommcte Opinion, hm. Ihelie<‘Uetther.e
‘he he flrattgreefch: fer it, that the Chttrch which

t wee ttettre/t’ the time: of the /fpcjlle: rm: the hzcfl
_ pttte zmcl perfect Church. A ' A

6- That it is impqfithle to come to thethztenw
leclge ef the 1/lteirueefafl Cchfettt attd Pt‘;zét’ic'e of
the Primitive Church : for many of the Feathers:
aerate nothing at all, meet} qf their tvritthgs ere

V t D 4. A ; perzflzecl,

 2;   Ma A mxelrlhfl N D 22 it 59 m third Paper.
ya-r~ij7:£d,(it mayhh he that hoth;ofthcfi haw a’flr:-

A tedfram the rcj[f)hhm4z.1y fifth! Writings which we
 l;4«z)gh under their Ifdr/365 4refx1ppafititim,g§*caun-
* mfcmft, eflveaihlfyhhoat Eprfmpacy which mm the

  flzzmdhtiw of P4124/I Primacy  Thar Rhlg hqfAu-A ’

hgufiinc afaremehtiwapl dath m zmwrh fmwnr
crmditiam, and 12¢ not to“ h 4dmitted, withwt
Marian: and exceptiam._ A W  
Mzzhy the [the Cazafideratiam may he hadded ;
hht thefe may .56‘/.té_jf‘]9&’I76’iit ta prmre, t/Mt the mm»
zzémmscohfiht afthe Fathers, and the amimr-,«
figllfrazfizbe ofthfe Primitive Chzorchfi IM»t&r6...)
gramzd 0f.-4&3¢th’t$’fitZ'L‘fl/1iflffiffretdtidfl of Scrip»
mre. I remhmhex pf a grave Dzkvim in Scot-
Ian d , with hwarmfd h} It’. Iamhcsh of _ha;2p} ma-
mmary, who did wen» prof?/fa that he did learns

mfl1’£"€f6?.fi£’ Page 0/"John hCalvin,thm;gf4%mholc A

1‘rez2r‘gv'fis' of Augufltinch :  can there he any
gum’ rmfim, V .(’i’7iM71j*th.6’2?e'5,€‘ hgainfht ) why» the
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. Hé‘ cJf/I/I 51"-'ESTIESfou~rtb Papér.

I Shall very willingly follow the mtbadyoll

l have begun in your third Palpcr; but Idoe

  not corlccivc,that My laftlPapcr multiplies
more Controvcrfies than My firfi gave occa-vl
{ion for -5» having been fo far from augrncnting
the Hcas of oulrl Difputationl, that Ihavc o-

nflittcld the anfwering many things," in both V

your Pa crs, cxprcfly to avoid raifingof new
and net" llcfl-‘e fiaeflions; dcfiring to have‘ only

fo many debated, as are fimplyncccffary to ~

fhew, whether, or not, Ilmy will: dfllfe con»

flxierm givvlel my to time alteration: of 7C/mm/1-.~

ommmm in England :5; and indecd I like ve-
ry= well, to begin with thcflltlixg 0ft£3tRul!,by
which Wc‘arcl to proceed, and dctcrminc the
prcfcnl: C'lmtr6*U£rfit; to which purlpofc (*asI

  conceive) My third Paper fl’1CWCS you an CXCC1?
  lent way; for there; offer you a ‘}’°tm’ge be-

tween us, or dcfirc you to find out 4 lretttr;

wlligzh», to My judgclncnt, you have norllyct l
 ' done, V

 I ‘ Hit NIAjE$TIES'f0ttJ*t/9Pttpt-r:

done, (though you have fought to invalidate
' Mine) For, if you~undcrfland‘to_ haveolfered I

the Striptnre, though no Man flaall pay more

re-vcrence,nor fubmit more humbly to it, than 4

My felf; yet We mufl: find fome rule to judge
hctwixtus, when you and I differ upon the in-
terpretatim of the felfe-faime Text, or it can
never determine I out Queflions ;  for ex;
ample, I lay you mifapplythat of 2 Car. 1.24.
to Me (let others anfwer for themlelves } for I
know not how I make other Mm to have dtmi;
ztiatt never My Fair/9, when I make them onely
firrue to 4pprat2eMy reefer: ; not doe Iconceive
how, I Car. 2. 5 .can be applied to this purpofe ;
For there Saint Paul onely ihcwes the diffe-
rence between Divine and Humane E laqttettce,
making no mention of any kind of interpreta-
tion throughout the whole Chapter, I as indeed
Saint Peter does, 2 Pet. I ; 20; which I conceive
makes for wet; for, fince that no Prop/aejie 
Scripture is ofmty private interpretation 5 Firft,
Iinferre, that Scripture is to be Interpreted 5
for elfc, the flpaftle would have omitted the
word Private : Second1y,that at leaftthe con-
rent of many learned Divines is necelTa_ry5 and
for at fortitre, that of the Czttlatliqtte Church,

ought to be an aatlrentiqac fudge, when Men )1

difl’er: ‘And is it a good Argument :3 becaufe
(Mat.4.4:7.gpio.)Scripture is beft interpreted by
it felfc, therefore that all other interpretations

    I I ” i are

H13 MA j n s 7'12 3. fimrtl; Taper. i 55” 4

are unlawfull 1’ certainlysyou cannot thinke V.-.

Thus having ihewed youthat We diifergabout t

the meaning of the Scripture, andare like to do
[0 5 certainly there ought to be for this, yaswell
as other things, a male or a yzwlge between us,  
to determine our difi"erences,n or, at ,leaft,, to
make our Probations and Arguments Rele-‘
mm‘; therefore evading, for this time, to An-he
{wet ‘your écanfideratiam (not I aiifure you
for the difficulty of them, but the flatting of
new Queflions) I defire you one-1y to thew Me
a better, than what I have offered‘ unto you. _  
Nenwflle, , ii “ A W - 1 A‘
fzaly 5. 1646- r 

atttatatstnatatotsiaratattestatetetatetattestotststet J

  For M”. fllex:fIende1]5n,
Azparticular Anfwer to Mr. nAlex.-Hezm’crfl?fl5:
371911] 3.16., 1646,  ‘ ‘

Hi; M A 7 E s TIE S ffii/9 Papér. 

_--—-—n-.—‘—

” Ntillryou {hall find out a fitter may to
 j: decide out Dzference in Opinion'con-

” cerning Interpretation tafcriptzrre than
the Ca flmtqf t/aeefat/very, amltlve unmrfiz/z
  t Prdfiiaei

 
   

ge . H£rMnjnsrraa fifi pa,~a-.

pram-e  an Primitive Clmrc/2, I —cannot but i

‘paifeyott My jludgmcnt ganent thofe 6 Confide-
ratiam, vvhitihoyou oflered to invalidate thofe
Authorities, other I in much reverence. ‘  
- 1. In the firfiyotu mention rtnw Rulesfar ade-

r fining  Cuntrwerfies, ~ and feeitke a mofl old
« way to co-nfute them, as Ithinke; For you able-
lcagqthat there is more attriéated in time, then?
Ibelieve you can prove, by the Confentof"
molt learned Men ( there being no Qieflion,
but there are alwaies fome flattering Fooles
that can commend nothing but with hyperbo-—  
lick exprcflions) and you know that fuppafitn
gnolibet, fleqnitar quidlzéret; befides doe you
thinkc, that albeit fome ignorant Fellowes,
flaould attribute more power to Pre:l7y:er3,than  
is really due unto them, that thereby their jufl:
reverence and authority is diminifhed .5’ So I‘
fee no reafonyvhy Pmay  fafely maintaine
that the Interpretation hqfF4"t7a:r:, isya men cx-no
ccllent fireiagt/wing to M Opinion, thou h
Others ihould attribute the Caafe and Range:
of their Faith unto it. . t e i
a. As there is no Cmcfiiotn, but that Sm'}>-
‘ture is the farrc 124% Interpreter of it felfc, to I
fee nothing in this, negatively proved, to exte
elude any other, notwith~{tan«ding your pofia
tiveafhrmarion. " A
3. Not in the next, for  hope you will not
be thefirft to condemne your felfe, ‘Me, and
~ t   ‘ tn-

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not tyed nhe.m_m{e1vresi to this R.u1le.;
4. if in thi$;y0‘L1.' onely 1—ntend%to»prove~,:. that

iflrrcm Wcire alvvagics éreedzfvzg in the Glmreb, I

{hall not deny it, yet‘ that makes little A (as I
conceivelm yoiur purpofe; but ifyour' meaning
be, to aiccufee the Mmwevfiazll Eraiiiae qf tbu
C/imrch iwith Braver, Imuft fay it: is a vcryi bold

A underra~king_ ;, and‘, ( if you cain;pQegw)§ uflfifie yams:

felefc byeclearei piliaces’ in Scrip ~  ref’ ‘ much to be
biaimed, wherein you muff not a11eage,r.hat to
be univerfally reéeived, which was not, as I
dag: fay, that the Centrawcrfie abraat Free will,
was never yet ciecidcd, ibye oemmemimll, or:
General! Camcefl’; nor maul’: you prcfumcito

 

Callehati an Emmi -—Whieh: really the Cat/zaliqm  
C/1¢£rel7*rr1%a:itaii£1C;:di (as in Rim of Edptzffmcn »

Farmer of Prayer ,, olzferrvwtim  Feafl’: ,
Faflx, 85¢.) except you can pnovc it: {o by the
Word of God. 5 and in  not en.<:»ughato~i‘a.y‘,
that fL1Cf].'lw3i thing. was 1101:; wairramed by the A-

pqffles, but you meueft: prime by their Dofirirm, A A
that fuich a. Izhingr was mlamfm/Aer elfe thevfm- A

Efiec of the céwmb is wztrraut enough for Me

—i to folioww and obey that Cuitome, whatfoevcr V

it be, and thinkcit good, and {hail believe-that

the x,/Ijwjlles Creed wasmadc by them, (fuch

Keverencel ibeare to the Cbarcértx Tradition)’

untill other Authors be certainly found out.
5. Iwas taught that ale. M7: 44' ejfewas no
A xiii ~ good

‘$8  I 'HzJ:'MAj’12s°r’Iasfifr ‘Paper;

v good Argument ; and indeed to Me it is increl
I edible, that any mffome oft/ye Catiaoliqzoe C/azmb

was erron<:ous,which was not conttyadiéteehby

  Orthodox; learned Men, in the times of their

fir{’c,.Pra€ticc, as is- eafily perceived that all
thofe Defeffiom were, (fame of them may be
juftlyecalled R.eI2elIz'om3 whichyou mention.d,
6... I deny it is z'mp(._vKible,t (though! confefle
itdzfifcult) to come to the knowledge of the

uniruerfa/Z Confem, and afrafiice oftlae Pr:'mz'- I

flexed C/surely, therefore I confeffe a Man ought

‘to be mref:¢lz’.hoW to believe things of this

nature ; wherefore I conceive this to be oncly
an Argumentfor Caution. t 1
My Conclufion is, that albeit I never eftee-
med any Azttlaority equall to the Scripture: -.5‘
yet I doe thinke the unammom Cwzfmt aft/:2:
Fathers, and the uzzirverflz/1PrtzEi*'ice oft/ye Pm?-
mitiw Clmrcla, toéve the beff mad mzyfAzttbénti-
ml! Interpreters ofaads word,and confequently
the fitteft Judges between Me and you, when
we differ, ‘untill you {hall find Me better: For
example, I thinke you for the prefent, the befl:
Pmzc/Jere in N em-Caflle, yet I believe you may

'erre, and pofiibly a better Preacher may come,

but till thergmuefi retainc.My Opinion. In

Nc1ve2zf}Ie,, I
be -3731] to, 1546., _ 
I  hh THEEND.

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