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Marab the 211}. ‘I680. , ‘  

The three firfi days being fpent in chofing tl1eirfpeaker,the ‘con-'
firming of him, and taking the Oaths as the Law direétssg On
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when you was moved to Print your Votes,it was for thesecurity of theNation,and.

Sir  H. R. Speaker, 'WhatIam about to'‘Move, * concerns us all. The lat} Parliament
you found it fo,. .It prevented ill Reprefentations of us to the world, by fa1feCo-

‘ pics of our Votes, and none doubted your Honour in the care of it. And I am
confident that this Houfe will be no more afhamed of their Aétions than the laft was. Printing our Votes
will be for the Honour of the King, and the.fafe_ty of the-‘Nation. I am confident if it had been neceflary

you would have had Petitions from the parts I come from. that your

, .A€tions might be made publicli. Asl came hither, every body. al-
rnoft that 1 met upon the Road, cryecl, God blefs you in what you
are going about. I Move therefore, that your Votes may be Ordered
forthwith to be Printed, with the tell of your Proceedings; and I
fliall onely add, that your {elf has done fo well in taking that care up-'
on you the laft Parliament, that the E-Ioufe will defire you to conti-
nue them in the fame Method. »  

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Sir W C. That which put me uponMoving the Printing your

Votes the laft Parliament, was falfe Copies that went about in former l

Parliaments, of the Votes and Tranfaélions of the Houfe- Letmen

think what they pleafe, the weight of Ezaglam/isithe people :and the

more they know, the heavier will it be : and I could wilh-fome would

be to wife as to confider that this weight hath funk ‘ill Miniflers. of P

State{ almoll ) in all Ages ;andI do not in the leaf‘: doubt but it will
do fo,to‘thofe who are the Enemiesiof our Religion and. Liberties.

And the world will find" the honefl Commons ofEi2glamlwill fink A

Popery atlafi, therefore lfecond the Motion-  
Sec.  I beg pardon if I confent not to the motion of Printing the
Votes, @ aconfider the Gravity of this Aflembly. There is no great

Aflembly in Chriflendom does it. ’T_is againft the gravity of this "

Affembly., and ’tis a fort of Appeal to the people. Tie againfi your
gravity, and I-am againft it. p
— H. B. If you had been a Privy-Council, , then ’twere fit what‘ you

do ihould be kept fecr_et,,, Your Journal Books are open, and Copies A

of your_ Votesinievery Coffeehoufe; and if you Print them not, half
Votesawillbe difperfed to your prejudice; This Printing, @ c. 18 like

a plain Ehglzfla-men, who are not alham’d of what they do; and the

people whom you reprqlent will have a true account of what you do,
you may prevent the publilhing what parts of the Tranfaétions you
pleafe, and -Print the tell. i ~   P

L: G: I find that thofe who write out the Votes and Tr‘'anfaé’cions

‘ and "fend themall England over . are favoured ;andI believe no Gen-

tleman in the}-ioufe will be againft Printing them but the Secretary.

Ihope you willnothave reafon to be afl1am’d-ofw-hat you do, there-- »

forel am for Printing, C§’c.. t ‘

Colt‘  By experience we have found, that when former Parlia-
ments have been Prorogued-or Difiblved , they have been fent away
with a Declaration againft their proceedings-. If~our Ac9:ions be
nought, let the world judge ofthem ; if they be good, let them have

their. V irtue. fl" is fit: thatall Chrifiendom ihould have notice of what f

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you do, and polierity what you have done, .and‘I hope they will do

as you do, therefore I am for printing, €52. ,
  Sir F: I/V: What has been {aid by the Secretary is a fingle opinion,
( for he lays that printing the Votes is an Appeal to the people )[
hope the Houfe will take notice, that printing theVotes is{ not againfl;
Law. But pray who fent us hither? The Privi-Council is confiituted
by the King, but the Houfe of Commons is by the choice of the peo-
ple. I think it not natural nor rational, that the people who fent us
hither, lhould not be informed of our Aétions.
liament it was aTrade amonglt Clerks to write the Votes and difpers
them,~and were queftioned for it there .; but ’twas then laid by a
Learned Gentleman, that ’twas no offence to inform the people-of
the Votes of Parliament, the Journal Books being open, and the peo-
ple ought to have notice of them. The Long Parliament were wife
in their generation, to conceal many things they did from the peo-
ple, and yet the Clerk was fent away, ,( who difperfed the Votes )
and had nothing done to him. The Popilh party dread nothing more
than Printing what you do,_ and I dread a man in the Secretaries polt
and fuch an accufation as.was upon him in the lafi Parliament, that
he lhould hold fuch apolition, that printing the Votes is an Appeal.
to the people. Via’; the Printer! Vote of this clay.  

A Motion was made to inquire into 2‘/ye Mzfcnrrzlzge of tire Bill for
Repeal of g5"'Elz'*z. Sic."

R. H. I think the Motion is to inquire after the flipping ofthatAé3: .

the lal’t Parliament, and not prefenting it for the Royal aflent. For
my own part, I look upon it as "a breach of the. conftitution of the
Government. We are told that we are Republicans, and would change
the Government, but fuch as are about to do fo, it is a naturalfear in
them to be thought .fo,'and they willcafi it upon others. In a crowd
itis frequent for pickpockets to cry out, Gentlemen have a care of

your‘ pockets that they may more fecurely do it themfelves, and have

thelefs fufpition upon them. I will not offer this great thing to the

conlideration to day, but Move youto Adjourn it till to morrow.
Sir F. W. I lhall-humbly put in this word. I doubt this matteii
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. eawill be too big to be debated today,’tis of great importance, -and will

, -not be forgottengbe pleafed to Adjourn the Debate, C9'c.

Sgr N.'C. I humbly Move, that for the prefervation of the Prote-
flant Religion, and. the Kings Perfon, a Bill be brought in to prevent

a Popifl1.Succe{lor, and in particular againltjames Duke of font. the
 fame Bill which pail the lafl Parliament.

Sec. 3‘. You are upon rifing, and I lhall not detain ~ you long. I

- mull give my Negative to this motion, and my reafonwhy I do fo,-is

becaufethe King hath declared in his Speech, that asto the point of
altering the Succellion, he cannot depart from what he has fo often

, declared. _,The King has given his.Vote againfiit, therefore I mufi
. do‘ fo to. r

L. G. The D. of Torkisin Scotlam/, and Ihope the King will-come
up to what he has laid in his Speech.My Liberty and Property is dear

 to me,an_d 1’le fupporti the K3 Prerogative too; and Ihope we {hall

remove thofe people, Briars and Thorns who fcratch you in your

intentions againft Popery,;whicl1 I fee we cannot prevent without _

this Bill to exclude the~Duke ®'c.Andr thereforel am for it.
Col, B.I am heartily glad tofind that the Zeal of the Houfe llill

 continues for the prefervation of the Proteltant Religion. My Op-

nion is, that we cannot prefervethe Proteftant Religion with a;-_;-Po-
pilh Succeflour to the Crown, no more than Water can be kept ~cDld
in the hot Pot; butl would do it in allthe decent Ways to come at
it. The King lrecommendsto you inhis Speech, -to look_baclr___to
what he formerly {aid as to. the Succeflion,&c. If there be no other
way to prevent Popery , but a Bill to Exclude the D. C53“ c. from the
SL1cceIliorjf9° c.myO pinion is,Tl1at ’tw.ill be moredecent toour Prince,
and better for thofe who fent us hither,that before the Bill be brought
in, to give it the honour of a day, to con Cider of the Expedients to
fave Religion under a Popilh Succeflor; For that I {hall expect from
fome Honourable Perfons : but if none, come, then you may proceed
to this Bill with more honour. Thereforel moveto appoint a day
to confiderof it. . I  .
Sir 7. E. Ifliould not have troubled you, but from what was fpokfrt:
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laft. By all means juft and lawful, we are to fecure our'Religion and
properties: We fee the great attempts made upon us from Rome, and
we mutt do Iomething for our farther fecurity. I will not {peak of
the former Bill of Excluding the'D. C9’ c. nor of the K.’s Speech, that
gives you latitude for Expedients; and I would not offer any, if I
thought theyrwould not do as well as that Bill, which is but an EX-
pedient. But becaufe the K. has declared againft that Bill, and invited
you to Expedients, I would not put that Bill any more to the hazard T
offrejeétion, but think of fome Expedients:  

  W. H. I can fee no Expedient to fave Religion and preferve the ’
K’s perfon, but the Bill to Exclude the D. C<§'c. All Gentlemenl believe
would be willing as tothe Manner and fave the Matter: But when ’
our Prince is encompaffed (all) with the D.’s Creatures, the D.’s r‘
fafety is becaufe of their dependencies: The danger is not from Pope-
ry, but from the King’s being encompafled with the D.’s Creatures. «
I would proceed in this matter with all decency; / and-efince’ a day is
moved for,pray let’s have- time to confider.  

Sir. C. M. You are invited by the K.’s gracious Motion to con- '
fidcr how to preferve Religion C©'c'. I defire we iymayynot now put a «
qucftion for bringing. in a Bill to feclude the D.@"‘é*;~'el{e properly we
cannot confider any Expedients for prefervation of Religion.

B. W The confideration of the prefervation of the Protellant Re-
ligion, is ofthat weight, that though we have lhew’d our zeal to it, 
yet I would not run upon a thing of this great‘ nature, without con{1- e
deration. They who advifed the 1:’: Speech , mufl ‘anfwer for it,
The words of the Speech are,,Ifzm)/at/yer Iva} can 5: found out, &"c. _
Via/c I think thofeabout the King have don enough to wine Him and ‘
Us: ButI would have the K- fee we are fo far from putting him up» *‘
on that ftrefs, that we would help him out. I think that Speech the

' K. read to us, to have nothing of the King’s in it;"He isa better man, ~

not -put our Refolution as flat and as Ihort as that is in the l<.ing’s  s
Speech The King has gon as far ‘as this Refoh;t.';e;-n inhis Speech
comes to ,_m h1s,Dcclaration about Diffenters formerly: and yet l;ro'r'n" I

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the Reafons from hence , he v(v=as)perfwaded to revoke it. If perfons
have been to prevalent as to put the King upon this Speech, let me fee
thofe perfons fo forward to bring the King into a thing to help him
out; if they do not, Ihope the King will lay the blame at their
doors, and not at ours. If they could have told us whatlilxpedients
were neceflar y, they would have put them into the King’s Speech, and
the Refolution-part ofnot‘ altering the Succeflion would have been

A left out. A little confideration of this great matter,can do us no hurt,

and will fatisfie the peopie without doors. But ifthey about the K;

can find ovtt no Expedients,l hope he will lay them alide, and take.

their counfel no more. Put not of this Confideration farther than Sa-
tzfrz/47}/;and if they can find us out anfixpedient betwixt this and then,
’tis very well. I ' I

H. P. I have always obferved, that the mofi deliberate Proceed-

‘ ings have had the befi fuccefs here, and the heft reputation abroad.

I am as willing as anyiman to come to this moved for, but with
deliberate Preps. For my ihare, though I hear of Expedients abroad,
yet Icannot conceive thata Title or name candefiroy the nature of
Expedients. But the King inhis Speech has held you out a Handle
(‘Hide’) And I would not give thofe ahont the Kings occafion to fay,

, that this I-Ioufe running into a. Breach with him.I would pay the King

all the Refpeé): in the world, and you cannot avoid fetting apart a
time to conlider Expedients; and I would not mix any thing with the
-Debate that day. I think to morrow istoo foon to debate it.-I lhall
propofe Saturday for that Confideration; and then let us do what’s

«fit in fo weighty a matter.. _

" R. H, This is a matter of great weight, and I would adjourn it to
to morrow. Forthe reafon ofpropofing Expedients, I do not move
to Ad/ozmz for that; for it ’tis as little reafon to me to expeét any, as
’twas the lalt Parliament, That Parliament gave reafons why no
Expedients could be of any effeft, but this Bill of Exclufion ;and that
Parliament {aw enough of Expedients. There are a great many
talked of abroad in the ftreets, and won’t you hear Expedients?
What can a man fay lefs with any modefly ?But no man can lay but

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‘ ?‘we‘area.~in5danger ofslofing our Religion, ifithe D. fhould come to the *

Crown. But the %eflion before you is, Whether yo.u’le put off this
Debate ?Therefor-eI move that the I-Ioufe will take into Debate the
fecurity of the Proteftant Religion to morrow. ~ ‘

Sir F. W. All that I fli_all.propo{e is, That you wou‘d ‘fo ‘word the -
Qiefiion as to have no diminution to the Motion made for the Bill .

flag; upon your Books, nor prejudice , nor refleétion, When this B111
paft the laft Parliament, it was Nemirze Contradiceateys and molt of
this Parliament were of the lalt. For Expedients, ’tis a word migh-
tily ufed and .talked of, and wi.llingly embraced ; but nonehave been
propofed. ‘Let this matter be reaflumed on Saturday-morning,and fo

‘ ‘taken into confideration to fecure the Proteflant Religion; and not

‘to let appear upon your Books any thing relatingitto Expedients or pre-

venting a Popilh Succeflour.

3’. T. I was much furprized at the K.’-s Speech , confidering your
“weighty Reafons for the Bill,§®” c. the lat} Parliament ; and that the

i Lords found out no Expedients for prefervation of Religion, and yet
"threw out the Bill.

But that the K. may fee that what we do, is out
‘of real fenfe of the danger‘ We are in from a popilh Succeflbr, and not
in contradiction to him ; andgwhen nothing is found out to fave us,we
*'n1ayjU.ll:lfi€eOur {elves in whatwe do,I amfor adiourningthe Debate.
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F27’:/:9’, March‘ 2 ; I 6 311 .
Thanks moved for free C lyoice of Memécrr. —
I  ‘ Hen there has been a general Corrup-tio'n,and allhave
not done their duty, you fhould“ difiinguifli andgive
thanks to thc mthat haVe;and formerly you havedone
to Ofhcers for doing their duty in ll'lppl'€HlOfl’OfP opery,when through
the corruption of the times fome have not done their duty. Nothing

is more Parliamentary than to return Thanks to thofewho havefreel y

   
 

and ¥w'.thout expence ‘chofen your Members; and I de‘firettl1at"'the

Members fo elected mayibeordered to fend their Tlianks to thofe

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Sir W’: 3’: This matter deferves materialconfidaeryation, Whether in
i'cfpc&..Of the lofs of _the Bill, or the 1li2.l<in"g of the very Ccnfiitutalon

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of Parliament. The Bill that is loft is of gareatmoment, and of great
fervrce to the Country, and perhaps to their lives in the time of a.-.
Popilh Sacceffor. Thofe men that hindred the paffin g that . Billhad a ‘
pjrofpeét of that ;a.nd if it becfents; up again, we.;;.ate like to-meet -with...
Butbe the; Bill w.hait~«it will, the.prefident_ is of the B
highefc confequenee ;The King has his Negative to all Bills; butl nee»
ver it new that the Clerk of the Parliarn.ent hadla Negat.ive,- if he laid ..
it,.ral’i_£l.e 0r—noi:.< But eonlide-r«,i_f we fend,.up;many-~ good Bills, . if this be
n.et,feaF€l1€d into, Lwemay... be deprivedof them: Noman that knows .
L.a.,w_o»r.Hifior»y,_ butacan tell that to Bills Grateful and popular the K..,[.

great oppolition.

gives l1iS;=.C0flf€nt»to»then1---iBut if this Way-be found out, that Bills

V lh_ould__be.thrown by-, it maybe hereafter faid,they~were forgot and .
laid by—t__and {owe lh-all never knowwhether the K..w.ould pa-fs_t11em.».

or no. if this be fuHered,,jtis:».in vainto {pend time here; anditwaill be

a great matter to find time to redrefs it.=~- I move therefore, that a Mefo -~

{age befent to the—I.ords forxa Conference, that fotne. way-7may be
found out to give uslfatisfaétion in this great matter. .

- .H.'B.:I do. concur with the Gentleman fpoke lal’t,that~Parliaments .

a.re:—Prorogued and Difl'olv.eda. by the King, and nowhere is a new way-

found out to frultrate Bills.. The  cannotvtake one »-part of as Bill, and -
reie;ét’another, butgivesa dire€t=n-anfwer to the whole. -. But to ‘avoid ;
that; this Bill was never prefented to the K. a thing never done before 5
I delire we ma-Cy fend. to the Lords for a Conference, to reprefentthis -.
Innovation, ;_{:df,tl1at a :ComH1ittz::e be app.oin.te:d to; draw. up ‘ Reafons .;

fer the Managers.-e.» ~

.GE..I was a freindto-this Bill,andI agree in all ‘things tconcern- -
it'—rgyt‘h‘e.\2veig<ht of it. The laying this Bill afide, is fuch a breach of the B
Eionfijtut ion of~Parliament,that’tis in vain to «pafs any Bill if this mill ~
ca-rrieage-,be nottfiearched into. - By the con-fiitution of Parliaments, all ~
Biiills .bnt:;l\/Ioney-Bills, after they are pafiboth Houfes,- are adepolited 

in the=.,LorelSl1ands;°tis below you"/to look. after the Clerks for this_Bill.

If the~LordisZgive you no anfwerfor the. lofsof this Bill, that is fatis-~ 
‘faétory ;I would then {end to them to known Reafon why the Bill "

was not tendredto‘HisMajefly;-wiath theother Bills.
Sir,--R?:e}'l. I Would? h“ave~y-ou {earth the Lords Journals, and if you.-

 n::>..a.9..c..ountof.tl1e Bill tl1CI'€,. _then.:;’.t_"will be time for us to go to thd: ~
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Lords to require fatisfaéhon.  

Sir R:'T.- I have not much to
weightand confequence of this matter, and you are to take all the care
you can to fecure it for the future. Never any thing of thisnature was
done before, but the Bill for obfervation of the ‘Lords day in the late
long Parliament. ’Twas left upon the Table at a conference, and {to-
len away. But ’tis not proper (I conceive) to take notice of this’ in a
Meffage to’t~heLords,becaufe the mifcarriage of thisBill was in another
Parliament. The matter muft go upon the defire of a Conference
with the Lords,concerning theRights and Priviledges of both Houfes
of Parliament ; and then you may appoint a Committee to inform
you of the progrefs of this matter. a L

E. V. I think the pafling over the inquiry after the lofs of the Bill
of the Sa‘bbath_,in the ‘late long Parliament, was the great occafion of
the lofs of this. Confider how many interruptions Parliaments have
had of late in the greateft bufinefs, by Prorogations and Dilfolutions;
and another way to gratifie your Enemies, is to Rifle your Laws, when
they have a mind the people lhould have no benefit of them, though
they have paffed both Houfes. Therefore IMove, 59’ c. at awe.

Sir H. C. Idiffer only as to the words. I agree to a Conference,
but no more to be faid, then to know what’s become of the Bill ; for
the Lords are the Depofitories of all Bills but money. Without any 0-
ther words I‘ would fend the Lords for a conference , to know

what’s become of the Bill. I know but ofthree Negatives, but by this

. proceeding here is a fourth Negative, which may deftroy the Govern-

ment.

S. T. ’Tis the beft way inthis matter-to obferve old methods ; and
the beft method to know the Lords minds, is by Conference, I re-
member in the late long Parliament,the Lords fent to us for a.Confe-
rence,an—d at it told,theI_Roof of our Houfe was falling on our heads;but
they fent us note. meffage of the danger we were in by the falling of the

offer you, but Ifully concur in the

Roof but defired a conference about a matterof great confequence: -

Therefore I would now {end to the Lords for a Conference of matters
relating to the Nation. ‘

R. All would fay this, We defire a Conference with the Lords
concerning the Confiitution ofParliaments in matters relating to pal"-
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Sir? T." L.‘ This is a thing of as‘high "Weightas we can confer upon.

Therefore I would not clo,Eefs tlianin’ a.tl‘1ing rfleller Inomellta Let 21"
Committee rneet,~and« then. -agree iofithefubjeét matter, till then your. ‘
kI?l0W.I1OtA~Wl1a=t*=tQe fay atwthe: Conference; andr’tw.ill be -Munday at the»
foonefit before you can-ado i»t.¥.-   I {hall ofler ‘another thing at the Conf'e=-~

renee:;- .I would ofier t~he—Lords the» eonfequenee~of this way of pro»
c_eedings,and»to-defireg theLords to put‘ the thing into a way ofE-xamina=--
t-:on=,~ thatthe Complices ‘maybe fit’for.punifl1rnent:a And at the fame
Qonference, would defirea Committee a-of~eboth¥Houfes to confiden
w»here..the Miifcarraige-lay~.- _ _ V  » '   A
Danby’s C afé Reiporrec/, &c. 7793-’Actom¢t}of l7*itzharris,»<Im1’-I716 Li-.

5&1 rc*a»a’,. &e~.-= Treby’sefixamimrieon; &C. e

Sir  .1 hurnbly move Fz'tz}mrris’_s‘ Ea-xa'mination maybe print:-f r

edjor the world ito-fee ‘the. Dtev,ililh~ Confpiracies of the» Papifls.

 W i I3ll.l{€i.th€ motionafor Printing-; nothing is in this paper“ a =
éhut uwhafls fit to be} printed. *It~-ful-ly makes out thofeg I-nformations; .7»
33:93.1;h.avethael»before. gAndr.be»e’au-{ewe=<alll<:now- that {nice my Lord» ;
Srqfords Tryal, people have been prevailed uponto believe the Plot» j
3ElQi.‘tl’Ll€, i and lthis-coufirims» om; and 86471063 Informations,I would =:
havet-hem Pr.int:ed ,,y.but.nota.- theLib_ellou.s paper-~whichr’efle¢ts upon‘ 

the King.

Sec 3’. I will not trouble you but VViththatpartI‘l1‘a‘cl :iI‘l'tl1lS-_aH‘all'o‘i _
Tile Paper was read overto the King by Sir William Waller. There-- »
:17-otter aeeordingltoitlie Kings Command, I iffued out a Warrant for! ~
apprehending F2"-tzkarxjis, and Sirlf/V., Waller, was towtake . Care of‘  

ztheeexecutrion of the Warrant; 

Sir E;  Thisiis a- matter ofgreatw-I~miptorta.nee, and «We ought to‘ -
:ecquit,ou—r {elves in it like a wife men.  We thateome out of the Coun-« —
trey hear ~,_“ft'l1€1t‘ that TreIafon’able Paper which has been read by Sir 3
,:W.«z1!er.,»; was to have been ient to many Gentlemen, they to have -

bee-ne feized thereupon ,tasr Traytors in the Confpiracyg it may be
ti;-i3n.was..»that~; ~ne.W1~~~Plot:~~A All we have-iis at the flake , therefore
how long or ihort our fitting is like to be here ( the Trooper f{arri- 4

,;‘1iw.- {aid tiiere-Woulcleebe-other"Guards at Oxford) let not our courage -

being our»ca-fe1,:«.let us_ go to—the»bottorn of this bufinef?
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 ‘ iFit:l2;irrz's. Therefore I‘Move, he maybe feat for and Impeach-

 

ed, We know by experience, when once an Accufation is in Parli-

ament on .Record,*and in the 'greateft Court of the Kingdom "made
known, -'Malefaé‘co'rs»have not been cleared-,and you have had Juflice;
therefore Iwould have care taken that this Man be Impeached of
High-Treafon , and it may be he -will relent and W tell you all.

Sir R. C When Firzlmrris .Exa-mination ‘was taken at Newgare ,‘
he asked whether he had {aid enough t*o=‘faVe his life. Itoldphirn ,
I thought hehad” not"dealt ingenioufly , iunlefs-he would tell what
Councel heehad for: Drawing and Modelling’ the paper; and I bid
him beingenuous in the whole’ matter, andfil would come and take

-, his farther -EXamination’.'But* the next=day' after-' he promifed this ,

he was removed out of our reachcinto the Tower. ,aIm,aeac/me»: Or!/3-'
rezz’, Vida?» z.‘betPri:2t~.-< t — a at - a = »
’Tu~;zrmo~vea’ z"/mt Secretaiyrjeh. f/70211;! carry -u'p__‘z‘_£2¢ ‘Impede/Jmem‘ to
tlzetlords.‘ ‘ V I ’ * r - /t       ‘
Sec}. '.The’fen}ding me, upon this jMe(Tag€, ®’c: reflects upon the
 my Mailer ; and do what you will with r_ne,~I will not'go.-»/Hmz}

ca//ac/,tq the Bar, to time Bar. 2 ‘ a

See T: L; I would not have laid one word, but that the very be—

i ing ofParlia‘ment*is in the cafe. ’Tis to no end to fit here any longer
‘ if this be fuffered.There can be no ground,reafon,or 'thoug~ht,tobring

the King-in queftion, or refleétion upon him in this aIm‘peachrnent
orfon the Secretary. But for hirnato fay,do what you will with me,I
will not go with the Impeacl1menr,is ,whatI“neverhea rd {aid in Parli-i

arnent before. Let the words fell from him be written , down! before T,

he explain them, according to -the Order ofrhe‘ Houfe.  A _
Sir G. H. I never heard fuch words before, that t?he;w+hole Houfe

of Commons -lhould reflect upon the King and that: he will- nbr‘obey' '

your Order; ‘let the wordsbe written down.»  _    r e | _ A‘
.  2’. The Houfewill be contemptible. to the e_xtrean1efi_Lt degree
if this be fuffered. Such a thing; as never-was iln“Parli'a‘me.ntbefore ,

that thewhole Houfe ihould refleét on the King: an‘d"forg ‘him to ray

dowhat you will ‘,_, I will not go. Mdves‘szt~am*e:  7
Sec 3’. I laid no fuch thing, thatthe I-Ioufe f‘efl’e€’tedi on t'he‘1{ing-,
butchatltakeitas-a refleétion upon the l‘s’.ing-tmy’Mafter..    a
  _:;t_
3.

A1.

 

~ I ‘I4 . _
.   3’. T. e His words were, This had notfbeen put upon me, but for

the Chara &er I bear.  

. Ar /arff 2‘/ac Secretaries words were that flared, 7/72‘: Meflage isjzut
aparz me’ for the C /aarafier I hear. I ‘value not m)I.Lzfe nor .Liiée,~.
_ 23/ , 4/0, wbatjou will, I will not go. A   ''

Sec 3‘. I fay this isputupon me ;- to my apprehenfion, for the

Cliaratfter lbear, and do what you will with me I will not go.
Sir VV. 7. I am forry to fee any Member behave. himfelfat this
rate. This Deportment confirms me in the opinion of thedefign
offome men, to fupprefs the Honour of this houfe; There has been a

Book written(which I hope in time, it will be. inquired after)That the '

Houfe of Commons fprang firit out of Rebellion. in H. g.tiine. This

goes onthis day inthefame method. -.Let a man be of what quality

he will , if he be too big to be your Member, i he is not to be cho—
fen. To {com the Commands of the Houfe, and to be too big to be
a Meflenger of the Houfe of Commons. 1 Secretaries are fent ofMef-
fages every day ,, and is he too big a Meflenger to accufe a perfon
ofthe Popilh Plot? His words feem to import, as if the King would
nothave the profecution of the Plot. If this be fo, {it no longer here,
but go home. His Charaéter is great, and he may be privy to things
hid from us, by this extraordinary carriage. Are we come to that
pafs, to be dealt withal , as none of our Predeceflflours ever were 3 If
my Brother or Son dealt with the I-Ioule thus,I would call him to ac-

count. For ought I fee, he provokes the Houfe more by his Explana-"

tion , therefore pray go on. L .

Sec 3’. Iain as ready, and think my {elf as much obliged to obey
the Commands of the Houfe , as any man here. The Office I have
excludes me not from it 5 but the thing I {land upon is, that the Mo-
tion wascarried on in Ridicule. I have an Honour for this , and ever
had for all Houfes of Commons .; but in this Mellage Imuft and will
be excufed. - o ,

Sir H. C. Ridicule is nota Word proper for a I-—Ioufe of Commons;
and what is appointed by this}-Ioufe , is donelwith all gravity, efpe-
cially wherethe life of a man is concerned. We are in an unfortunate
Age,now things come to more light than before,tl1at it lhould be {aid
that Irnpeachments flrike at the King, that the Dukes Bill; is ai-

 . med

I-JV*i’_

. Ci 5 *)“
med at the King: 1’ am ferry to hearit faid here, as well as in other
places.» This Imployment he is put upon, is for the Kings fervice, and
he tells you it refleéts upon the King. All is reverfed ,, if what the
Commonsdo; mufi be as if ittreflefts upon "the King. I have all
imaginableerefpeét to the King .- but Sir, we are in a Ship , and we

have to do with the Mafier,and he with us. If this Gentleman would ’

make any «fort of excufe, I would willingly accept it; but he has not

yet taken ofl" his Crime, but rather aggravated‘ it. I f he have nothing .

farther to fay, he muft withdraw-,and then you’l have a Motion made

'_ for the Honor of the Houfe. .

Sir T.‘ M. I know no other difI'e'rencein'any perfon here ; if the
Secretary faid, I thought it refleciied on the King , a man may be
tnifiaken in his thoughts, and in cafe itbe fo, he would fuffer any
thing under thatrefleétion. He faidit. was his thoughts, that the
carryin the Meflage was a refleétion upon the King ,and' in that cafe

would ufler anything, rather thana refleétion upon the King and-

his Charafier.  

Sir 7. E. ’Tis an-ill thing to (‘tumble at the entrance“; .I hope the
Secretary intended no dif-ferviceto ~ the Houfe ,. but on ‘a mifiake: I
did apprehend it ,  and fome others , that it was in jeft. But in jeft
or earnefi , one ought to obey: the Commands of the Houfe ; but
every man cannot -fubdue his own Heart.‘ But I would know upon
farther confiderarion , whether the Secretary will undertake this fer-
vice or no. I am the wor{’t_Advocate in the world for any obftinate
perfon. ’ But I humbly ofietywhether the Gentleman will ferve you or
no before he withdraw.» . ,   , s  

Ernl. remotvecl from /.225.-iplzzce am! zvlyjgoerecl with rice Secretary. I

Sec.  Since the Houfe is fo favourable as to hear me, I than on-

1y‘ fay, that I did aprehend fending me Witl1the~MelIage to the Lords, .
Was a refleftionupon the King; if I did apprehend -it a reflection u p- e

on my Matter, I could not but refent it. I am heartily forty ‘I have

incurred thedifpleafure of the I-Ioufe , and -I hope -they -. will .pard.on I
the freedom of the gxpreflion. I a_pprehen‘cledit a reflection upon‘ the

King , and: no other confidera-non 'whatfoever induced me to fay
the words.  

M. F. I Lookupon this has come:-. from the Secretary, as {o
      great

  ( :6‘)

a great a Refleftion upon the Houfe, that he ought to come to the Bar

uponhis knees, and ask pardon of the Houfe. e
H. B. We are all Subjeét to Infetmities ; {eeing that the thing is

fo, the Secretary could not apprehend any tiefleclion on the King by

finding him with the Meilage, but he might apprehend it onshimfelttg

‘it was a little frnilingly moved: but fince he has explained himfelfi,

Iwould have this, Ca’ c. pail by, as I would on. the like occafion de-
fire for my. felf. I I I V , »

.Ld- C. The Gentlemans fault is a great one, but that after he has
begg’d the pardon of the Houfe,[ am willing to pals it over.‘ Though

it le a great fa"ul,t,eye_t.’.tis too little to give occafion of a Breach at‘

this time. \
Sec 3’. I am ready to obeythe Order of the I-Ioufe, and I am forty
my words gave ‘ offence.’ ’ . . g . ' ~
_.So 196.’. went on the Mcjfl2Igc. , p . A   I t
. col, ,3, .We .ou_ght. all to give God thanks for this Difcovery A of
lFz'z‘-zlsarris , next to the?firfi Difcovery of the Plot. It is a great

, firvicea tothe Nation , andftis not -the are that Sir William F1/a//er

hasdon. If ever the thanlts of the Houfe was deferved, it is for this
_Di1‘covery ; -and I Move ,Sir.,WIz'.//iam Wafler may have the thanks of
-the Houle. Ora/ere;/,,Vide the Przmf. g . . i

C-—j<——— 41.‘

SAT URDA Y, March 26. 1681.

Order of the ‘day vide Print.

. Sir  C. I Cc-nfcfs I have been full of Expeélation of fome Expedfent to fecure the Life of the King,‘

,and,:hc~Prote{tant Rel gion, w thouttheB llfor Excludfng the Duke, évc.My éxpeétatjon

is from thbfe who oppofed the Exped ent of the B ll, (forl can call it no otherwlfe ) Ihave in my weak I

judgment weghed all Expedients. Ihave heard of, and they feem all to me to be a breach of the Con-
ftitution of the Government,‘ and to throw us__ nto dforder andconfufion. Ihave heard that it has been
an antent ufuage that Members have confiilted ther C ties, Burroughs, and Counties in any th:'ng_ of
weglzt, as well as givfng Money, bt fore they refolved t’ t. The praét ce was good, and I wilh it were ‘con-
t nued; and we can dfcharge our trrfll no bcctter 3 than in obfervfng the direélion of thofe who fent 118
h ther. I Received an AddI‘€fS from the City of London ( having the Honour to be one of their Repfc‘

‘fa.-ntat,ves) in the matter ofth?s B ll ofEXclud ng the Duke, C’/“"c. I he-artt ly with fome Expedfent may be

found out to fave our Religion w tl:o1.t t. But Imuft purfue my truflr, tlgrefore I move 2, B11 may be
brcught to_ Exclude all Popilh Succeflours, and in parncular ']‘amer Duke ofTark. '
Lord R . Ihave the Fame obl gation upon me as the W01 thy perfon who {poke la f’c,f}om the Country I
have the Honour to fcrve for. I have been of op non, that nothing but this B 11 can fecurc us from Po-
per y. In the long Parl ament, _’twas faid, that the Dulze was a Papit 5 andthe danger of hfspower wll

.1;¢mg1;e now,-5 nd every day infc:-rms us of the fad cor.-fequerzces 0f-t.I fhould be glad zfany thing but this
1 R-

1311 eceld fecure us. Ilancw nothing ell}: £‘a11,'IhC1'€lc1‘C Ihumbly n~.o._yefo1-it, (4);.

cry->    e, 

 The ifeeurity of the Protef’cantRelEgion, and the prefervat';o_n'of the Kings Perfcn, 3 s of {'0 g1'eitt- '
' weight, 'that- we fhould not have {laid to thL5 day to Exclude? the Duke, but'I am ferry to ‘hear tl1aft—Lan—

guage , that becaufe the King has laid in his Speech, he will Rick to hfs former refolution in not alterfng

. the Succeflion , (537. and propofed a kind ofExped-lent, C’J"c. but in ths we are not ufed as an English

Parlamem, but a French, to be told-what we are to do, and what not 5 ’tIs the greateft Arbiti-ary_pow~
er in Erzgl/zmz’ to cow a Parliament , which may be was in defign to bring us h'jther,- but bewe called to
York, or any part ofE7zgZm1a’, I believe we__{hal_l be the fame men we are here, and were at I’/VejZmz'n_/fer.
My Lo;-_d Dpmby Diffolved the long Parhament, and {aid , i he had fpoiled the old Rooks, and had. too}:

 away their fa1{eD,ce, and then Ptarted. in the new Minifiers, and they {la-uffle and cut again , and" D1‘.
.fo1ve Parl_ame11:s ,, t.ll they can- get one lot their turn. 1 have heard much weight laid upon D. ll1)hei'i-

ting the Duke, fure no Father Will fcruple to D.finherZt a Son , or a Brother, nor turn away Servant's'tl,'1‘-a;t:

~ would rufneh In. It Blhops and Councellors would fpeak pla?n, they cannot anfwer deterring‘, our  ~

curity. fo long. But ne_ther the M n:fiers of the Gofpel have endeavoured the prefervation o'fou1~Rel’gi-

' on nor the}MiniPter_s of State the Government, both aetlng againft Relgion and Safety Qf the Kings

Perfon. - And Ihave no expeftation of our fafety , put the B1llt0.EXClLl(lC the Duke, and the1‘eT§re I move
for it, @“c. A _ ~ , ' '
H_ C, Ifthis Debate muft he proceeded in with the Regularity and Circumfpeétfon it ought to be, you

-have tran{'grefled the Order of the day already. SeveralGentlemen tell us, that there is no Expedlent, but
'. none tell us what _s.All men l3€l1CVC theRel gion (“l[l1CDLlliC is as fatal athlng to theNation as can be,fhoulcl
.he come to be King; and what do they deferve that perverted the Duke? But let us confider what depends

upon this Houfe, and let us proceed like men. If we are of opinion, that Exclufion of the Duke is the bell:
-way to preferve Rel.gion , this I-loufe cannot do it alone 5 if we cannot have that belt way , we are guilty
to ourCountry,‘.fwe take none. Ifa man be fick,and. fo ordered that nothing mutt be taken but by dire€tr—
on ofthree Phylitians, and two are for giving him thejefuts Powder, and one againft it,a nd he thinks he
does the duty of his profc‘llion, but they all thr_ee_ not agreeing it, muft the Patient take nothing? And
we are but one part of the Legislanve power. But for Expedients I remember in the Dutch War, the Houfe
went into a grand Committee, to confider Expedients for raifing Money, to fave Land-Tax. A man
whoever he be,that propofes anExpedient, will defire leave to make good that Expedient and mutt {peak it,
may he often toltg -bnt if it prove to be none, that man will be trampled upon. A Committee of the whole
I-loufe will be-mofl proper for.th‘s purpofe. Ifthere be a difpute which queftion {hall take place, if the

. firfc be denied, the other may take its "place, but not one to exclude all the reft, as the Bill w_ll do. Let

it be Exclufion or L‘m'it'ation, or what it wgll, your order is general, to find out means againfl: Popery ,
and preftrvation ofthe Kings Life. When men prefs on {o fail, they may come late into their Inn by ty-
ring their Horfes. — Leta grand Committee try Expedients, elfe ’r;s not coigfi/lmre -but a’z'cere.' lam of
a. contrary opinion of having this great matter Dcbated in the I-loufe, and for the reafon I have told you 5
and if Gentlemen you will do reafonably, a grand committee is your way to proceed_in~., _.

 5. You have had Motions propofed tor Expedients, but there is not V a word of Expedient in the Or-
der, and that anfwers it. ( T/96 Order was rm./2’ ) Thofe who were here prefent when the Order was made
have left it free for a Bill, or any other thing; and therefore they are not tyed to have Bills, or offer Expe-
diezzts againft Bills. To the fin‘.-ile of the three Phiiitians,t11at two could do ncthingwithout the ‘third,thou.gh,
one was fer one thing,and another for ancther,ii'the‘cafe be fuch, tlia-tgtlge two in the judgment of the third,
did cfier nothing to the fick man but what was Mortal,he ventures upon" V" own; Difreputation to joyn with
them.Hov.=evcr, the three Phiiitians do not agree; we ngver yet fawigznye  ll from the Lords in anfwer to
this B.-ll; all Expedients have hithtrto been to in, 1'22-‘=.fe our fears offtlie King, and to haftcn our undoing,

 

‘ and when all was at 1”tal<.e, to have Parliaments Difillved, that was anill ‘Expedient. Lfhofe who were nea

the King, and altered their or-:n jud g ments, and are come over to this  they-"are  put away, and
thofc -C;L~Cut the King now are forhixpedients. 'l‘heCouncel of the ]efuits,tliey .. ‘ave their end,by difa ppoin-
ting the Kingdom, and by railing the fears of the people, either to take up witli‘fj_falf'e fecurity, as good s
none, and {Q to impofe Popery upon them that way, or to bring the Kingrdoth 1nt0;d;l"orde1'. ‘V7 hen Reh.
gicn and Law s, and all are at the difpofe of 2. Popilh Succellc-1‘, the Kingdom will be in great difordetgtliat

the Protefiants will not be able to enjgy them quietly; the Papitts have no furer way to effeét’ their end.'*Fo1’ ’‘

the I-loufe to go into a grand Com1nittee,’tis a Motion of great weight. If you deny. it, it looks as ifiyou A g  

would precipitate, and deny free Debate. If you accept 1t,- yo.1 willlye tinder th_<: mcmvemency ofdelayfind  ;\.p e i   '-"E" ;:
. _ _ . .g   - i [ll A‘ N i l  ',,,,_._., .',g<l ‘ “‘5~'-7 " "

.-an war '-

  

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who knows how lorig we have to-fit? If we were-fure._ofouI‘. time to fit two or three lVl'0ntl’;S‘, -lwottld‘-‘he wilé

ling to go into a grand Committee. But as,to- the ill. _uznbr-age of refiifing a Committee,’tis not like other _

cafes. I would have an inffance, if ever in ta thing of this weight,-the Houfe, went intoa grand Committee.

This matter oi"Excluding the Duke, has been depending two Pa_r1iaments,,and any other way for our {ecu-.

rity would have been accepted- Nothing elfezcouldf befound out, thealafi Parliament‘, thewholé Kingdome

was fatisfied with nothing elfe. And now what reafon is there to go into a grand‘ Committee, for a thing Io:

often debated to the" bottomiNo man can deny but a grand Committee is proper, when fomething ofan Ex-

pedient. is offered 5‘ but to ofler it generally, is as if the, thing w_as never eonfulted nor d_ebated.-before. I never .

{aw any Expedient but this Bill,_nor. any reafon. ofiered againfc the,Bill, but fe-'t,, it afide,\and, think ofEx;-
p€.dients..'. Therefore pray proceed according to _the,,Order. . .

L.G. If any Gentleman have Expedients ,. I defire; he would propofethemg ifthey be of any weightathfiy _s

/will defer-v_e well of the H_Ql1f€5 if it léems to them they will "give us fecurity-,--I ~' would be glad to hear them." . ‘

Sit‘  E. When the Motion was firf’c_ midc-2.; for going into a grand ‘Committee to hear Expedients, t/7c. I
did then fecond it for this reafon; becaufe of the Honour of the place I ferve in. I did underlland. by the
Kings Speech there was Ex‘-pedients. lam unwilling to determine the {enfe of any man, ‘who, am of the

wealxefi. "A But a Motion was firfted and fecond_ed,_ for _a Committee of. the whole _I-lo'u{'e, and,when.tl1at is .

(103131 {hall ofler fomethino’. . '
T.B. Imufi {peak againfi that Q1_1efiion,of a grand Committee, pray keep to the Order ofthe;day.Ex-

pedients that have been moved for alread y,asthe jefui_ts- powder for an Ague, (6%. but our Difeafe is a Plu-.~ .

rifle, and we mull: let blood. Let us go to what willdo our bufinefs,.and it maybe we mull: have other Ex-
pedients to fottifie the bill. Iwould, have the I-loufe rightly underftand, that thofe who are againlt going-
into a grand Committee, and for Excluding the Duke from the Succeflion, and thofe who are for a grand
Committee, are for him to.fucceed,,‘_-and put the Qeflion if you pleafe. ,

Sir F. K. To Exclude the ._Duke from the Succeflion, é‘{c. thatis a good EX,p€di€11t to -prevent Popery so ,,

pray let that t or others that {hall be prefented be confidered.

‘Sir T. M, If there be but one Expedient adieu, I do not think, that ground fufiicient to go into a grand A
Committee,;tg:5g;&§nlfider,it, but poflibly. there maybe feveial. This Bill is agreed to be an Expedientg and K 

_.,,s. have l<.z1ow'fi, that in a bufinels oflefi weight then‘ this, you have gone into a Committee, érc. If an Expe—t -
dient znuf’c be ofirered in the Houfe, you cannot, but allow "Gentlemen to make replies in a fair Debate, to .. 
anfwei-Qlpiefiions. And ifyon in the._I_:_loufe will depart from that‘ for1n,'thc Houfe or Committee are.e- — .

»-qual to me- But our Debate isbrolte; one Gentleman faid, he would be content’w'.th a Committee‘, if not

intended for delay. I do not doubt but this day will have its full elieéh ,Whcn-ftwas moved on Thurfday _

la-Ft, for this day totalie into confideration the prefervation ofRel'g on, without naming Bill or Expcdients,
it gavea great credft to your work. I would have no difcouragements upon people that have Expedents,
bygnotgoingntoa grand Committee. _ i

R. H. We are perplexed in having feveral Qgeftions on foot. I_ {hall put you in mind, that this Bfll now
}>f0PC'f€ds is no, new n0_r Pffflnge tlrng. Our bunnefsl fuppcfe,‘ is to find out Expedients to preferve the
Pieteflant Rel gion, and the Kings Perfong here is a way has paft two Parlaments already, a way no rea-
fcn';'ble,obje5tion haseverbeen made againft it, and away rcjeéled by the Lords in gr is, without oflerv
ing any other. ‘But  doubt, if other Expedlents be tryed, ifthey PYCVC Falfe, ewe {hall endanger the Prote-
ftaiit Rel gion, Somehave flid, that Gentlemen apprehend they have Expedicntsg why then may not they

‘ ’:.-c._propcuncled, that the I-loufe mayjudge v. hcthe-r ’twill -be \VO1tl1 going into a grand Committee tolconfi -

d<f1'tl".err;?BI1t ifGe.ntlcmen wllhave Lt their own way, or not at all, He tell you how this loolas, as they:
xx ere fcmt thing one way,and not-h"-ng 21‘.Ctll(f;1'2lZ2Llt he does not difcharge hfsldnty tghjs. Coumrey that does
1'1-;;tI'ic1‘cfo1'eif Gentlemen have any EX.pedients,'p1°ay let them cffer them. ‘.

Sir  Ifthe Houfi: he of am nd not to enter into’ a grand Comm'ttee,I {hall offer my llttle mite; 35*

’:is<-very mans duty to offer E-xpedient that has any.«_ I‘ doubt not but other men have, and better than 11165 _

hit fwc go not into a grand Cox_nm'ttee, I lh-all c PF,-r what I‘ have. I do apprehend by the Bill P1‘°P°{€d1

that ’t5s a Bar to the Succcflion ofthe Dult,e., and. places the Succcflicn in the next Heir.‘ lfhall propofe,

if you pleafe , not the Name of King‘, butzthe power as a» Regency in the next Heir, ’tis no new things

’ ' in2‘{,'e‘nz}2 and .Fra7.‘ce , and ( God ltnovts.) we have feen itdone in our Kingdcm.- lf the Admlniflratlofl

_; . l§:§‘<d_f;.fe i_n'_the pufon-, that m2yha¥eno_§;on*er to refignto the.D_u_l~;e, _a;_nd._,may_ha.Ve.‘fi1ll powe(1i'
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‘and aI1tl'lO1‘ltyl2ttl“x_C(l@atl1 of the King to ‘call that Parliament which fate’ lalt, whoiliall have time toiit
to confirm this by Aft ofParliament. Ihope this may be done, and may be‘ done fafely, ifyou can con-

trive fuch a way. . ‘_ 

Sir N. C. As I underl’cand, ’tis propofed, that the Government {hall be in Regency during the Dukes
Life I would be fatisfied if the Duke would not fubmit to that, whether thofe that fight againlt it are not
Traytors in Law. I . V - -

Sir 171/. P. I"think this you areupon-amatter of great weight; fime Expedient has been offered you ;
I believe as yet but a crude one, and Icannot imagine will ever be .an effeéhial one. He that moved it ,
tells you,he hopes when drawn into better form, it may do what you defire. It Excludes the Duke and in
his place, the next in the Succeffion {hall have the Regency in him. But our lalt at}: left it in the Law,

 

Coniider what is a Regency; Ineverheard of it; but of a Prince in polTellion,in Minority or Lunacy, and it,

has generally been very unfbrtun-ate.-‘But to talk of aRegencyz'7zfzzmro, in condition and limitation of time

I never heard of. This Expedient does not anfwer the Kings Speech, nor your former Bill; they make the
King but a fhadow,and'they divide Perfon from Power,our Law will not endui e it.Tl.e Perfon divided from
the Power,‘ both will be courted;and who that nextlleir will be we know not. The King leadsyou to confid-er
Expedients, but fuch as will confific with the fafety and dignity of Monarchy. This mufl: be two Kings at
the fame time, one by Law,‘ and another by Right. Portugal gives us fome inf’:-ance of Regency, where
the King’ was put into prifon for Mifcarriages, in the Government , and his next Heir made Regent;
but there is at Vail difference in thefe two cafes. The King of Portugal was let afide for perfonal M1fcar-
riages, not for being a Papifl; and which is another thing, that was prefent, this is to come. If this Que-
fiion be to let the Duke in, and then make aQ_u_efition whetherAllegiance be due to him; but I am afraid,
that unlefs we be true to thofe we reprefent, from whom by Exprefs direél-ion moi’: of us are to purfue the
Bill, 65%‘. we {hall not be avowed in what we‘ do. The Bill, (97. has been under confideration of all the
people of Englmm’, and perhaps all -the Protefrants ofEurope; all the Wits of Learned men have made their
Objeéiions againft it, yet notwitlilianding, all people are fiil of the fame mind ‘And now we run up.
on the moft mif-{hapen thing, which it may be two or three years before we underfiand it, and we may ex-
peét to have an operation of it no body knows when. Ifee very little weight in it, unleis improved by fome
other perfon; therefore I am for the Bill. _ .

Sir T. Lz'tt. We are flying at a great matter. To fight againii: the Duke if he {hould be King
God forbid We have been told three or four times of Direétions Gentlemen have had from their Prin-
cipals, to be againfi all thofe things ofExpedients, and to infift upon the Bill ofExclufion, (’y“c. I would not
have that way much cherifhed ’tis an uncertain thing ; and no footfleps remain of any papers from their
Country. I take the meaning of that going down , is to confult their Neighbours for Direéiion what to do.
Ihez r talk to day of Parliaments of France ,but this way is as dangerous ; like the States of Hollzzmit-3 con-
fult with their Principals before they refolve, moft unufual and of very dangerous confequence. A Regency
has been propofed to fecure the Adminifiration of the Government in Prong/fr/mt Hand, fo as net to alter
the C0nll’ltuti0n of the Monarchy; and this alters the Coniiitution of the Monarchy the le-aft imaginable.
A Regency in Room of a King, and the Monarchy goes on.‘ We have had Regent "'Prcte&ors , call it
what you pleafe, Pflmm Co_72_/Zlz'zm'u.r, in cafe of a Minor Prince; but Ipropofé not this. "If you alter
the Government, lam againfl it; but here is offer’d a Regent in place of the King-, or transferring the
Government. But it may be faid, Where {hall the Duke be all this while ? That" point Ithink ‘is pretty
well over,there is no defign ofseclufion-—TheLords would have Banifhed him 6obM:les from Eizgl./zmz’-—
The Duke has an E{iate,and He as all men befide loves it, and will not part with it, and will do nothing
to forfeit it.-—But your Bill ofExclulion fecludes theDuke, and theCrown then is to fall as it ‘does fall.Wh-at
is then the Cafe? You mufi imagine, either his own Daughter will take up Arms, ifthe‘Duke attempt the
Crown, or fome bodie elfe will,to keep him out,and that will raife fuch anA nger in theDukes mind,whether
will they lhelter themfeh-'es?Not under his Daughter; they muft naturally fhelter themfelves? and run into
Armes. Crumwel’sway was to keep up an Army of Sixty tlioufand Men fbr his fecurity, efpecially an Army
flefht withVi&ory.And they that have it will keep it.We are not in the condit_ion‘we were fbrmerly;when the
Lords cherifhed their Tenants by goodLeafes, they could ralfe anArmy,8c fend them home to their houfes
when they had done what they were raiiied for;But we are now in ‘another way';raife an Army, and they Wu

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fame Law a"Commiffion be fent over to take a_n‘_Oath ‘from’ her Ii:ri&ly to execute. .-this Law , you are:
then not leftin that loole manner you will be by: fl1€'B‘ll; "Cg/"6. ’Tw_?ll be a far lefs matter for her to fave a »
Fam’ly, before Misfortune come upon it, than to take the Government upon her afterward 3, 511 Eh? froulflc ,
of an oppofition. But it may be faid,.What needs allthis, ’t'sjuii:notl1'11g but retaining the name of K. in ~

an exiled man? -- But ’t's lefs violation in her to Govern in her Fathers Name, than to take the K*'ngdom¥

from h'm., It may be wondered, why in Portugal, upon Depofing that King, there was a great Debate of _

the threeEltates(though they hold not the proportion as they do here) In this great Debate the Commons

were for Don Pedro to be King,the Nobility to have h'm Regent, the Ecclefiafticlts Demur1"d; but 373 1395 '
both came over . to the N ob lity.’ But Don Pedro {luck here, and would .\fl:ill leave h’s Brother the Titleof ~
King, an_d wouldleave nothng of fhelter, to force-Nature too far, There are Refierves In the King’s Speech‘
I cannot but take notfce ofby the way. There is another thing to be confidered. ‘Some w 11 be payng a '
deference to the Sacrednefs of a Crown, for Governments fake. Ths Objeftion looks I ke fomething, He '

is like to be five hundred Miles oil, 6'5. and a Law to take up Arms againft him.—.-— How was th2_t‘Law ,

that the King and Parliament have power to d.-fpofe oftheCrown? it was then anOpInion amongflt the Law — '

ycrs that the Crown was unalenable; butwhen that Law was made , that Opinion was.darnn’d under a

penalty; though ’twa_s a {landing Maxfme , before that Statute was made. If fo , this new A8: will be a *_
Warrant for what is propofed , as thatwas for the other . For my part , Ihave had the ill fortune to have

the wind in my face , and to be againit the generall Opinion and Ptream of the world 5 and having had

for fome time no fharein the Govennent , I may fpeak poflfzbly more freely then they that have. ’T_s a ‘

great Cr'me to fpy things too foon, which makes men apt to run from one Extream to another. I have

propofed the belt Expedfent I can , and moi’: fafe; butI am afraid, if you do nothing in this great Af— '

fair now it is {tarted (.I’ll graple with neither‘ of the Expedients, but if you do nothing but let the thing lye

loofe, you’ll gratlfie the ]efu'ts by our confufion, and the co-mmonwealthsmen to fhuflle the Cards again. '
, But if you go into fome Medium , both thefe fort of men will be undone. I - 3
Sir I4/.  Ihaveheard with great Attention the very Learned and able Gentleman. Iam really of '
opinion, if any bet1;erExped Zent could have been found out,than what has been propofedsthat he 38 350011 I
as any Gentleman would have propofed it. But lam amafed, that fo learned a Gentleman fhould not’

fee through th's Expedient. That whlchl take for the Expedient its , the Duke to retain “ the name of

 and the next Heir to be under the Title of Regent or Prot: élor: What does he‘ mean by next Heir? ‘
 For any th1ngI know and believe, it is the Dukes Daughter‘ 5 _but it may be the Duke may have a Son. '
 Ether I have a greatcloud upon my underflaiid ing, or this is ftrange , that if the Duke have a Son, and -

{hall he at a Day , a Month , or Year old be Regent ?- Suppofe the Prfncefs of Orzmg/e come over, and
{he dye , (the Prince of Orange’ has no Right to the Regency ) and {he leave a Child, and that Ch ltl be

' _  Regent, that Chi-ld mutt have a Proteétor 5 and fo there w ll be a Proteétor of a Proteétor. But, Sir, we

‘ are tol_d_, that nothing but to keep up the Greatnefs of the Government makes them go from the B ll of Ex-
v*‘-Z33?‘-clnfiony, to this Expedfienr. But is it fo great and pleafing a thug to wear a Crown , and be called K’ng 9 '

'~ and have no -Authorfty? It is much worfe than to loofe an aéiual Crown and the pollelhon of it. If the Bill
pais and the Duke be_-Banifhed 5oo ‘Miles off, it mufl be out of E72gZ.:r7:,2’--’.-if the name w.ll pleafe him, in ‘

Civility beyond the Sea he {hall be King, and it will be as much to h's purpofe boyond the Sea
to be called King‘ only, as here‘ ' But for the Security of his Eftate being here: He that
would venture the lofs of a5Kingdom for,'Religion, will his Eiiate too; that’s but a weak ty. It is
lefs :7njuf’t',ce to take away the Crown and power from him, than to have of both but the Name. If you_
allow the Duke the Name, it wfill fmply a R’ght, therefore for that to be ukd as an Argument is {hange-
But whygis this Contention and all t'h‘s ado, I wonder, fiJ1"aj_1 empty Name ( But I -am afraid th's (Expe-

 

dientis a kind of jefut-Powder ( I do not think the Gantlemz ns Intent or Opinion is for the jefuts) but 
V If you do not Exclude the Dukes Title, the Duke is Kng fl‘ill , "
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a wife man may over-do fomctimes

the Crown. If you take not away the Difcent of the,Crown, and that the Duke has a Tittle to be King, thfn

without Doubt allincapacities fail,--butt if -the thing may be effeéiually done, I am as willing to exclude 1
him the Na me, as well as thefpdwe-r; but Law_yers_kn .iv;§;g,diftin£tion.——Wl1en the Lady comes to, be Re.— '

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lining of our Divines will preachupon: They’-1 fay that the Parliament by what they have done,‘ aclmow-3.

ledga good Title in the Duke. . But if he be King, as the Parliament allows him to bein Name, hf? 1795
right of Defcent , and fo will-be refiored to all the Rights of King. An Argument Upon QLLCCI1 Mfl‘

 

I rie like this, ref’corecf the firfl Fruits and .'I enths.—Another thing perhaps may come from them that pro-

pofed this Expedient, (Ido not believe it came fromthat Gent. (Tc. ) if you had‘ pail: the -other Bill;

great m’any_would.not- fubmit to it, but ifyou‘ pafi this, if the Duke have right to be_King, and be kept ’

from the Adniiniflration of it, I doubt whether Ifhall light againfl: him. And the Papil-is wil1fay,_ you
have got aLaw to feperate that which is infeperable. I would,if I were as the Duke, have this B H to perplex
my oppolers, rather than a clear one. He has told you of an Army to maintain the Bill, <’i’”c.—-which Wlll
‘not foon be laid down. But why an Army3—If‘there mull be an Army for your Bill, there will be four
Armies requifiteto maintain the Expedient. A protecfior has been propofed, notl ke that of E. 6. who
was little more than the now Lord Prefident of the Councel.-_--Bra certa'nly they who propofed the Expe-
dient, would have by it the fame power of letting in the Duke‘, as of keeping him out. Therefore I move
to-lay afide this confideration, and take up the Bill as has been moved for. . T .
L. "G. IthTnk it is fit we {hould prefe11tReafons to theKing for pa fling this B.7llc»fEXClUdli1g the DUk€,é"’6'-
Ido th'nk that theAdn1I11':Pt1'ation oftheGoVernment has been in fuch hands fince the Kzng come in, that
though the M nifiers have been changed, yet the fame princfples remain to to this day, though fome have
been removed.——The breaking of the Tr pple League, the taking‘ of the ‘Dutch Syriyrrza-Fleet. The King
ofFrame,makes War for 11s g‘ot'y, and we fbr nothing butto get R ches to make the K?ng Abfolute..Such
a violation was dcne upon the Rights of the people as has been done.—He*wm‘ mflea’ dtmm to Om’:r--
E.V. A Cgellion f o extreamly well fpoken unto,to be interrupted with any angry (h1_ef‘tion, is not very
decent at this t me; what is fpoken of, is matter to be enquired into another time, though the Gentleman
does it’ with a worthy intent. Ifany Gentleman have any thing elfe to propofe, pray hear hm. -
[L.G. Got: 072 ] I "intended to Move you for Reafons to induce the K‘-ng to pa fs this Bll. The I’crange'
and’d3fl1cno.ura_ble Retrench__ments made in the Kings F amjly.-— He is furrounded by the Dukes Creag
res.--«’Tis not fafe for the King to part with any one Minilieigunlefs he part with all, and when thefe men
have got a Bank 'ol'money for a Pop lh Succeflor, then will be the fine to take away the Kng. -
Szr F. W. Th's we are upon is a. matter of great weight and difliculty. Let any man thatcan, maintain
th s Expedfent, or give you a new one. « g -
Sir T. M. I have heard with patTence.z‘}2z': Expea’z'em‘ wh'ch has been well ofi7;i'ed--, and I believe millaken
by the Gentlem: n who anfwered it. Imufi faythis, your O;.1_ellion and your bulinefs is Relzgzbn, and I have

 

‘ given zsgood proof ofmy zeal for the Proteffmzt Re[zgz'on ths twenty years as any man has, and I‘ have
been for this Bill of Excluding the Duke ,  c. I am of opinion fometh ng mufi be done to fecure R6121 ’

gim For the po'nt of Law mentioned, if the Law be fuch, T/mt Do772z'm'o72  run with the N.r:me q}"I{z’7zg,
that finglc Reafon ;' s to carry the Deltate. But if I anfwer not that, I am at an end .« But fure thofe words
that n difinliei-It a King',may make thfs Exjredzlwt Law. I would not rife now, if I thought the Bill to Ex‘-
clude the Dz;/ce, 6'5. could pafsgmy grounds are but Conjefltures. Thelall: Ptzrliqzmrizt I dfd th'nk this
Bill would pals wjth gi~ealing the wheels. The condltfon of Eivgliz mi’ is thus; we do need one another, both
King and People, and we have need to make ufe ofa Pzzrlmmeizt to affifi one another, to relieve use in the
d.fl‘iculties we are in. If the Duke {hould be Ki7zg,'he will need a Pm"l:'zzmc72t, andlfo will the people. In
order to'th's, if another Eaj>en’z'em‘ can be found out as l kethis, though not the fame, wlrch no objeétion of
Law could deflroy, he would do the King and Kingdom-great fervfce and advantage who would produce ft.
In th's‘nece{fity we are l ke two great Armies enc-amped upon two H lls, and .nelthe~r dare remove, not for

want of Valeur, but from the.’ r Rea-lion: he that has the laft loaf {lays lontrefi, necellity compels the other to -

dfcanip.‘ At lalt it mull; be one fide or other, or elfe Etzglmm’ wllhave the worl‘t ofit. ' But if none w,ll
"GTIIUTC f0 Clair the matter in point of Law, I am anfwered. If any could alter that Bill, tliat it {hould nm
be the fame we have had twice before, Ilhould likc':"t. II l.ke th's Expedz'67zt oflfeitcd yot1',fbr’z‘z'.~r/z Bill of

E-‘~“”]“fl071; and {O flrong a one, that the Duke may choofe the firll rather. . Lam for the nail that wll drive . -
to do our buiinefsjf Gentlemen have other thoughts, pray lb contrive it, that we have one Bill or t‘other.  :7‘ A
, I/V. H. All the E:c_/2m’z'e7zr.v I have heard yet,arel ke a Coucaméer, when you have welldreft it, t.;’aro>vf‘r'2‘ —
away. Thefe Gentlemen tell you,they will bring in :1 B27! z2fEx;Izz.a{z'z;g the D::_/sefrmz ,2‘/./€Rc’g.€m_';’, €95. .'I’lr_5s'.
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and Ur, will be, whether the Dlllliélfllall have a Title tothe-Crown‘. But’! hoped the King will rather gratify
the N.rt en, tlrm the Duke. If tl1’s he not l.1cs§?.f:fl:,2nd ' people about the King e'rcumvcnt h’m, they W1 1

find l1§C213Sfi‘(T11l da to da. to divert him. ' V/"la *was Eualumz’ fo fond of Cu{z'r,'but to have fome footlte
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E.r~.:<; I?‘ M,-‘-.'e?_r'\.t1cl f o this Bill,let the Bill pa-.fs,and all -thofe Gentlemen .who have dependency upon the Duke, if
he ttxrne to the Crown, xv"-ll change matters. ' -

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n w fisl eppofe: the great oppofers of it in the :l;a;'u’: Houfgagreed it lawfull when they threw it out.—-- Not
3.-‘.42-‘.73-z"t'z'7; 9 unlawfull £07262; rrey;-.‘z'ézz5 2'2": u.-2;: tcrzrurrere delmzt-.Some Gentlemen told you,the?r Courzny gave
th m :15 ruftions to prefs thfs Billof Eacclufzlvrir, Scc. Sir T. Lit. laid, it was dangerous to tali€111fi1‘U5l50f1S
 m the Co7m,*7‘__}’: But I fay, ’t§s much more to take it«fi'om Cozm‘. Purlzumevztr formerly upon any extra—
0: dinary matter, ltafd, and Pent ther Merrilners to confizlt with thofe who fent them. Iam not fubjugated
(when I am here ) to what the Country does propofe. I am as much againllz a Repul~.l:'ck as he that fears
it, but I am a P1-otellant. lfay, I l-._no W Sir T. Lita‘. to be of that’ Experience and Reafon, that if he go a-
w: y fatfsiied i11't;is matter, he w-ll do all the good he can in the pcfg he is in.‘ Butto keep clofe to'th's que-
IE on, It befng allowed by Law, T/Em‘ 572 Extlujioiz ofz‘.I3e D.f7'om the Crowu may ée; the next th’ng is to con-

:» 17. M’. A worthy Member not being fatTs€'ed with Argument of Law agafnlhtlae Ex_z>ea’z'e7zt, that calls '
The Chtgtfltfc-n about his Bil/of Exclufiou, that ’tis lawfall in Confcience, no '

fder the Expe'u’z'e22t ofz‘/ye Regmcy propofed. The fame Autltorfty that can make a Defcent of the Crown .

may mcdfie it. He argued to Ihew that the Regency would make the Duke infignificant in the Admini~
firation of the Government. i\7ow the‘Q_iel’tion is, wh'ch is the mof’t=.*par€ticable. ’7’We Lawyers are ap-
tell: to go on the fi'rot‘._gelt fide, and to callevery thing Prerogative. I71 putwyou acafe, in Kng famefs
time, the S/aerz_'fof—— there was an exceptation in his Commilfon, that.’-he lhould. not keep the County
Court of-— but lhould have all other Exereifes of his--Oflice. But the judgesrefolved he was Skérzf to all
intents and purpofes, and that he could not be hindred keeping the County-Court. - An A8: of Parliament
againlt ccmmon fenceis-void. -To make a man Kzug, and not fufferhim to exercifiz Ifiyzgly power, is a
contrad Stion. Some claufes formerly in .451‘: ofPm:Zz'ummr, were flattering claufes,‘ to fatisfie the people,
and not let them have the thug. Should this of the E_xpeu’z'e72t be an 116?, ’t;'s nonfenlh, and may be fzid
hereafter, the I-Ioufe of Commons were outwftted. I owe the Duke obedience if he be King: but if he be
King, and have no power to govern, he is the King and no King. Ihave urged th:'s to lhew, that this is no
Expea'z'mt, it blears only peoples Eyes, and is no folid fecurfty. To fay the Duke values his Efta te, wlrch
he may forfeft, (Tc. He loves a Crown too very well, therefore you are not to arm. your felf in point of Con-
fecnce, but in point ofReafon. The lall: Parliament I did fee,  the management of the Papifls and
the.‘ M niilers, that without #2:’: Bz‘I¢'- Exclzgfim, our ru'ne.-is.-irref11t.ble. If the Duke come‘ to the Crown,

1 e brfngs with his Rel g'on Merum Imperium, and that made me fond of the Bill, but if by Law the Duke /

r ever was K’ng, there’ is no cafe of Confcicnce lyes upon us in his Ex-clu/I072. I will only make this ob—
ft rvation of the K27/gs Speech, in relation to this Q_u_ellion-— /Ind :_’f- it 'éeprué7z'cuéle, the rz’u’dz'ng of‘ our
felvve: guite of tkat Party, 8:c. zmdzzot to luyfi mm/9 wezght upon one E.~.pea’z'em‘, as to determzue ufl at/yer:
are z'm_)j‘}27uul, v'de Speech. The two man points( it feems) the Kz'77g doubts lfmfelf, and all this deltve-
r, d by the Kizzg in great wlfd om, is clfpt off to this Expediezzt of the Regency. You fee now we come to
1Zxpeu’z'e72r: 5 the Mniflers have hadtnvo Purlz'umem'.r: to confider it , and now we are come to this Expe-
dzent qftke Regency. I find no’ fecurty in Law by th‘s -Expedient; you take awayrnothing by this Expe-
a’z'em‘ , and therefore] hope the Bill of Exclzyion will pals. ‘I hope that reafon , and not great Ofllces ,
will take men oil" from their Nemine cantrudz'cenz‘e. I fpeak this as if I were a dying man , and I-Iumbly
Move for the Bill , ('92. ~ A
H. ‘B. I have it in command from my Country ,- That they apprehend no Exp¢a’z'em‘ tojécure urfrom
Popery , but that the Remedy will be worfé than the ‘Dlfeafe, unle‘: t/9:’: Btfl. I have heard as yet no

_ Reaftn given aganlt it. ' But there is an uliquia’ later. If the D. be not fet afide, I am fure the Govern-

ment w ll be ; and therefore I am for the Bill of Exclzyiou, 8tc. .

827‘ T. M. Iknow not how far Sr E'.‘IrV. * Argument maybe pref}, what Biflfoever we may have.
Pray let us have the Law on our fides, that if the.King lhould dye, we may know whether we are to
go. I think the K.:’Speecb is penned as it ought tobe penned; and {hould a Kirzg. fpeak pofitively to
what Law: He would have , we are an Irz]/9 Parl.ament , and not an Englzfb; but the King: words are
tender words. The thinglics fairly before you, if any Expea';'a;t; can be though; of, not to dcflfoy the

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E. V. You have had an Expedientofferd you of a Regency, 8cc. inftead of the B2]! of Exclufion , 25%. /\
Pray confider what th’s Regency is? ’Tis the whole OH-ice of a «King to appoint: flzdges call Parlmmezzrs,
Sec. Th‘s Power they would take away from the Duke. But ifby Law they will referve the name of King to
31¢ Duke, ’tis.to bring a War upon us, and to bring the Duke in by force. Th's Regency mull: he {up-
ported by War, as well as the Bill of.ExcZog/iohl By the I 3 Eliz. the Crown is not alienable by the King
but may be alienated by.Kmg Lord: and Commons. And when that Statute was made, no Succeffour
was named, to keep King 7ame:~in awe 5 wh’.chI conceive was the:Reafon why none was named in the
laft B:'@.Exclufz'o7:.’ . Though we have bin frighted outfrom that Bill by _Prorogm‘z'om and Dz[Iilutz'on: ,
yet ’twiIlnot frighten then1._~whofe~Reafons go along with it. Andl am for that Bill, becaufe all men are
for it, and have fent , up the. fame Parliament again- that pafl it. But.-if you lead people into uncer-
tainties in the Government ( as this projeéi: io’fRegemy undoubtedly will do ) the Court and the Comztty
will beof  mind to lay afide Parlmmmtr becaufe they are ufelefs.

Sir H. G. Peoples fleyes areinow enlightned, and all- the world ‘over they are an informed people.
The Povpzfl; care -not-who is King ifhe bea Popzfl, flndfli he proceeded much to the fizmepurpofe 2'12}?-
'veml Speeches 2'7: the loft‘ Pmhamem‘. P - ~

Col. G. L." I would not have fpoke fo ‘much outof duty to my_ Maffer, but for the duty Ioweto
my Country. I owe a new Obl gatién to the King ‘for I am the D’! Servant from the King,My Father was-
aservant to the la:e.King and_.th_;_sS and Ihave my proteajon under him,‘ I was bred in Ehglzzna”, and
for h’s Service at Sea . I know my. own we;-ltnefs , not being bred to the Law 5 but by enquiry Ifind, that
the Doé°trine'ofdifpofing a Kingdom from the Right  is -Damnable: and ’t3s the vDo€’trine ofthe Church
of Rome. I have heard that in the 24. E. f31~,...tl]C King demanded Advice of the Pmflzkzmeozt, in matters‘
relating to the Crown." The _Anf.wer was by the whole Pzzrlizzmem‘ , The} rattle’ not om’-vz_'/e 1'71 mt} thing
relatiozg to the Cronm, nor  diflrzhei-z'rz'7zg Hzlm to whom t,’;'e7;-1ve;'e fwom. The Fundamental and Com-
mon Law of Englmzsz’ has made the Duke. Heir to the Crown, if the Kng have no Sons. The Title of Hon.

4 . was confirmed by P.r_z;'lz'a722e72t , but he laid his Claim of Defcent fiom H. 3 and it continued in that
Defcent t"ll H. 6. and then the Pm~Zz'mnem* declared that thofe Aéts were not bind ng but umjufi: 5 and de-
clared the Oaths of Allegiance -to thofe Kings- in famous  ,\§,-iclsed 5 and fo the Right Heir came "'11..
H. 8. had Power to difpofeofthe Crown , byhis lafl: W in and _Tei’cament 5 to place and dfplace the
Crown at his pleafure , yetall his rzght I-lefrs came to the Crown 5 tliougli fmze Gm} claimed it by vertue
of that W .1] , and baited her Title with Relgion. @611 Elzzehftjth, made a Law, That whoever a’z’.»;{
97zzzz'nmz'7z , That-the Crown cozrlzz’ nothe g’;flaoJ{_g>,,;’ {Z/F5}, p,,,.[y,,,,mm= , J//my[_,,I 5g_fq,r;:'[ty of Tre/gflvz , &'.c. m:Z{-.
for 9'1"’ " “I757 0f P7'c£'7mmz're. ‘But fince that , there is a Reltjtution of’;I{ing*‘fqgae.r, which acltnowled 
hlm1'~’_~WfilHY:Tightly, and juilly the next Heir to the Croivn , and did befeech _thc;;K’ng to accept of the 
AH9S1?11CCt0h In and his Pofcerity : Andl think our Ancefcors fivore to the léingaand h 5 Poileiity, as
well as we. ’T;s a great Happfnefs to this Nation that both the Lines are united , and :._tl_1at we are rid of
the ldsicirttines of the Brerorzs I/Vmct. We have had Attienipts to turn the Go‘uer:.!:/22571!‘ ,,i11to a 1{o_z>:ic’!:'ry'7.z:'e. .»
And who l<.1’1C-W5 but that if you put by the Right of the D. the Revenue ofthe’Crown biing; much upon the
people. , but that there may be Attempts to turn the Gevernment into a Rep:/hlz'clc again? ,3}-Z’-lzezi ‘1‘I‘.~Y Fa.-'
ther was in Prfifon in the late Troubles , an eminent man then in Power in difcourfe with   h,za'e
ohlzgta’ you, amt’ zfthe Kirog come in, as I htlz'e»'ce He 1292?], than thz'7z.4’: of7o2e5 Look t0.}'o:z7‘;SteZ5;?é5‘fiahcsz yr-:5
ezrezoz 2*/,7? Szz.y’ct'[e .c»gnz°7z : If o77ce}vg,y aI,‘4,;'[[g , gm:z'ezz to Ivloozrzraoyfivr er.-Jg,._ . '15-¥f(ygn1‘lgeefpy‘i)t1.t’b  .I:_):.'-J36.’
“’h?~m11‘-{E 1C0il-0\V é A’?-' _4r»‘fiJ7' xifloc_za!z'o?2..5 Ilpealc. now for Eisglozzal , and fi\r,zn_y- POiCC3'}!:f( Inave
feven Ch ldren ,) How willthis look? The Kings Father Mnrder’cl , and 11's l5rotl‘ie‘t tal_en tip-2‘. Z~l_:n 5
Willthistalxe no cifeét with the King ? I.~w'.fh the Duke mizny ha may days, but the K:11g1ii=:.i'e ii-t;-in my
heart than the Duke.’ The King is a 1;c—c,}t1:fu1 It/Ian, '«:.1'lCl the Dulte is not. lam not barely the .1).-'.«‘I::~‘s
Servant , which makes me concern my felf 5 nor out oi-"p'.que of Honour would I do any thing to deitzt yj 5
my Poflerfty. Therefc-reI am aga:7nlt the B ll, 8cc.
’_ Srr I47. C. That which calls me ‘up, is to.anfwci~ lhnicfning that was f-aid by the worthy M::n1l~.cr that
‘P0136 lid’: 5 I am for the Bill of Exclulion , ( and ‘~.v.-as lbth-?.l;11lZ Parliament) becaufelam clearly fa is— V
53d ' there can be no Security without...-it. ]Z'.1t 1+ mutt 12:  -agnjee with him.th'a.t.-this Bill, (.ifit.,£hould pafs)
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‘Col:iB. This is the day of‘.Englofnds difh'efs,and not only Evrglmza’ but upon this days Debatedepends *
Q the good fateof the Proteffant Rclz'gz'on all the world over. Except you expeet ‘a. Miracle from He'aven,no-
; th ng clfe can fave the Protejlomt Religion , but tlrs Bill Oi-‘Exclufion. I thnk I have {aid this many years
. ago , Tlcaz‘ Popz;//4. Mozrclzer wonloz’ érirzg in Paper} or: lo/fz‘. As to the point of Law (fpolaen of) that

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' yours , God will help us,ifwe havenothng left us but Prayers and Teares. We are A in condition of Con-
- quell or Compaét , and fo is all Government. Intereft rnuil; defend this Bill,and not an Army‘; we’ ‘are the
« Anny. Ihave a Family as well as others, and where Idolatry ’muit be let up 5 and rather tha my Chil-

dren lhould breath in fuch an Air, 1 had rather they were bured ,, and .'had all the mifchi s in the
world. Col. L. ingenuously ofIer’d fome things; but without this Bill‘. you may lit down , talse a._Popz'rb
Succefibur , and renouncethe Protefiant? Religion. I would break this Poyozlv/9 Intereft , and then In-
tereft will maintain this Bill. Ifonce this Bill pals, and as in (fieen Elz'zeé.ezz‘l7: tfme Proteitants are

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put in places ofTrul’t, you need not fear the difiui-bance {poke of. Where ten were of this-mind.e, an hum.‘

dred are now that will bleed for this Bill. In plain Engl fh, let’ theworld fee that the Protcitant Religion
is dear to us , and we {hall have the Law on our fides. ‘ ‘
Sn? T. Litz‘. I was niifialten by fome Gentlemenin what I {aid 2' I {hall be very lhort and tender of the
time, be__caufe ’[_-is 1at¢_ That of the Lady Mm'z°e.v Regcmy obviated an abfuidity in the former Bill. If
Vthe Dulte {hould have a Son, where are you then ? The Lady cannot defcend from the Throne, havfng
‘ polTefs’d it. But my meaning was that the two Princefles refpec';l'ively Ihould‘ Succeed in the Regency dur-

‘ “.5-’”“.—'§l"".ting the Minority of that Son. The Bill ofExcluf1on is Rs weak a thing , that ’t'jwill need all the props to {up-

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port it. And a‘ trainofconfequences will follow it. What is told you of Scotland , is worth your confi.
derationg if Scorlamz’ he not confenting to it , Iltnow not ‘how yo u’ll obviate that. It unites the Ihzpz;/is
of England and Fmme, which we ought above all ‘things to prevent.‘ ‘V p

I H. B. He may be convinced by his own Argument. For by fo ‘much the eafier ’tis for the Princefs of
Ormzge todefcent from her Authority of Regent’, fo much the lefi is our fecurfty And for Scorl/moi’ ,.
the fame Interelt that pa1Tes this B;ll here will do it in Scotlzml, and in Irelmzoz’ there is no need offt. By.
‘this Propofition ofthe Regency, allC0mmiHions Mil tary by Sea and Land , Church and Law, are to
go on in the Dukes name. Andif all‘D'.fpatches under the Great Seal mull: go under h’s Name, we
can have no Security. The Oaths ‘of Allegiance and Supremacy can be taken to none but him 5 and if

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that b_e_gi'anted , Ylmt ’tz': mzlmzofrtl to take up arms agm'22_/l the Kz'7;g or tkcfi Conzmzflionated by laz'm_. '

not a true propofition , I know not why that Declaration was made i It lies loofe to me,I mull:

" ""‘-.-'.-‘~  E:q;ez2’z't72t (cents to me, as ifaman that fcorched his Shins at the Fire, inftead of removeing
V_ ' ell?-ai-rlze1' off, fhould fend for a Mafon to remove the Chimney back. I have heard from Lawyers,
Tl1atif2‘v.In‘.in do make a Freehold-Leafe to begin fromthe date thereof, ’tis void. It would he more
ingenucrs for the Gentlemen to fay , If you do pals the Bill to exclude the Dulte, they will not be bound
by it, they will have the Dul-;e_ to Succeed 5 and thenl wiih they would tell us what will fave the Protefi-ant

  

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Religioii. If the Dz:/to CC1T.C to the Crown , will Gentlemen theofe either to he Papiils,orburnt, or

hang’d 9 Ihave no ciifircfpeet to the Dulte i‘Fthis.P1'opofalcould lteep out Po_pery: But if I am to leap over
 Rive;-, Ihad rather have no Stall than a brolten one. This can be no Security. If you leave 1:13 the
power ol-‘the Counccl to malte War and Peace, and difpoie of Money , Pray then where is the Govern-
ment ? Either they will he ithihl , and l<.C€p the Law of Regency 5 or the King mull be King but in the
name,and they the,Soul of the Govemment; I lrave heard the Expedients with patience,and have not been
‘over-..hgfly to put the (Qefiien. Bu-t Ifee no Remedy to fave Religion , unlcfs excluding the Dulte 5
Tl1erer‘7:-re pray put the (lu,eltio11ib1' the Bill, Sic. ~

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R. H. You have been moved to adde to the Dy/ae’s Exolzzfion all other Pap-'.rlo Sz:ccq_fiozz;':. This is a
Bill on purpefc to Exclude the'Dulte only_L- You may Exclude all other Pnpzfly from Succm’z'71g, Sic. in

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H, C. Ilh-all only e-bferve, tlzatb 7 the«laFt~Bill of Excluficn, if tlieil.7ultelhould turn P7'oz‘efr’mzz‘, He
will he Exc_lzm'm’—, and if the_Princefs l"Or/Inge"-tLi1*t1_Pzr,t>z_'/i‘,' {he is not Exolarled. V id. "the Vote for they
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"An jlceonnt girven of the Lora’: throivz’ngi one the IM P E A C H M EN T of Fitzharris.
Si?‘ 71 L.  See by the Lords refufing this Irnpeachment , no farther ufe of a Pnrlznmerzt. ‘They will
be a Court , or not a Court, toferve a prefent purpofe. '
S23‘ W.  In a matter fo plain , and whichiconcerns the very being ofPm~lz'nment:, I am unwilling
to make unneceilary doubts. If an Aétion be brought in the Lower Courts, it does ‘not hinder the Aélion be-
ing brought in T»Ve_/fmz'nfler—hall , if no _]udgment‘upon it 3 and it holds the like in this cafe. Indzffmerztr
were brought againft theLom’.r in theillmver atCammenLaw,and yet was noIm_pea’z'ment to theirlmpeaehment
in the Lardsfloufig but here is no Imz’z'c‘?ment or profecution brought againlt Fz'tzhm~rz':. We have an
Inflance freih in Memory 5 The Lord Cheif—]ufl:iceSerogg.v a Commoner, and not Indiéted at Common-
Law, yet the Lora’: without any fcruple acceptedhis Impeachment; {'0 that we need not fpend our time to
{Catch Plrefidents. Perhaps theLom’:']‘ourmzI: were not madelup, but our Memher: -have taken Notes out of
the Mz'nnr—Baoh—-by them we find the Lords have determined a great point. The Lord: Spz'r2'tzmZ as well
as the Lom’.tTempomZ have Voted it,which we own not in this _]udicature,nor I hope never fhall; and we are
denied juftice by the .Lord: Sj>z'rz'tnnl ,~~who have no Right to Vote. This is doing a double aéi; oflnjufiice
And fince the Lords have taken upon them to throw out the Impenchznent of17z'2‘z.hnrrz': , let us Vote,T/mt
the Common: have a Right to Impeach in Cnpmzl ca/22:, and that the Lords heme denied 24: fa/iice,
in rcjfuflngzhe Impeachment. And after youhave allerted your Priviledges, then draw up Reafons for
maintaining them.And if the Dz_'[]o'lutz'on ofthe Parliament follows , it’s the fault ofthofe Men who will
not hear our Reafons , and in a Parlia-mentary way at a Conferencefhew how unwarrantablethe Lords
Aélions have been in their way of proceeding. ‘'
Sir F. 1% If this Impeachment of Fz'tzhm*rz': was of To ordinary a nature as a,-Monopoly, ét. I
fhould not prefs upon this matter. But this is not an ordinary Accufation ', but that -which relates to our
Relzgion and Property 3 and how the Bishops come to ftifle this, let God and the world judge. Iwould
know ifa man belmpeached by the Commons, and no Indiétment againlt him, (Only the /1ttm'nq'-G'ene-
ml told the Lords, that the King gave Direétions he fhould be profecuted , and no Record againll:
him ) whether this is a ground to deny our Impeezehment? Ifthef Lords will Vote that the Commons
{hall not Impeach him , they may as well Vote they Ihall not be P1'ofecuto1's;But yet we will  rib-.' This
is a New Plot againftithe Proteflmzrr , of which 17z'tz.hnrrz'5 is acculbd , and we muft not Inxpeeeh him ;
in this the Lords fairly fay,We mull not hear it.‘ If this be theCafe, I defire you’ill come to fome Vote.‘
You are will ng to difcover the Plot if you could. If the zfttoz:rn_y—Ge7zeml had prepared a Profecution in.
an I2y’erz'or Court , and they had proceeded to jzudgment , then it is pleaded in Bar to thejudgment of
a Sztperz’or Court. If our Time be lhort, ( as I believe it is) pray do not delay to come to fonie Refolu-
tion 5 if the Houfe be atisfied in it, pray make a Vote to affert your Right. A little while ago , when the
Dulze was prefented Jrbra Pnpzfl, the Grand flay you know was difmifs’d by Chief-juflicea 695‘ This
feems as ifthe Lords were bound in Honour to jullifie the 7na’ges Proceedings by their own. ’Tis a le-
fleélion of/weal<.nefi in a man , who doubts in a plain matter; and if no man doubts our R139’; PY3)’
I/'ote itrfo. I ' I »
Sir R. H. Iam glad we are of? from the great thing yefterday. Icannot believe but that the Lords
have judgmentenough to have caufe ~’f)1‘ what they do, andin this caufe ot'Fz't:zh.zrwzr Impeachment.

In this matter , Prelidents you need not fearch. This ofI7z'tzhnrrz'r feemzth to me to be a more dang<-‘- .

rous breath than ufual, a breath fit to be It fled 5 there isfamething in this more than ordinar . If th;'1e

great value of the Law ofE71gZamz’. «Butit feems they value Fz'tz.hzzrrz': to keep him {tom 115- W1‘-CU"
Ihave heard in all thespeeches to day , that the Dulce does not go fingle, and have heard  e>t- .
cellent difcourfes to day of that matter, Iam loath to mingle my wealtntfs.’ V ~ But f‘L1'Cl.1‘(«0l1I1C¢1f»5‘
' this, the King hereafter will have no caufe to thank them , fo1'1n'V0lVi11gl_:im in the tatal;ty of mole Coun-
celss as if they would make the Libel or"Fz‘t.zhnrrz': the Copy,Ofth‘~fi1' C0_U11CC.1$- D””§ 57124’ MP “'3? r°P““d
a molt infamous perfon , yet if he would fpeak whath¢_l<Y1tT¢\_‘{‘,:§,§ lmhlng 0*’ m"~’TCY W‘ 5 ‘O b*'.-? 101" hm‘-_‘5 But

 
 

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qf Ccmmonr fhould be below a commonjury. It in the cafis of S/eznner, and the Fact d sne beyond th» .S»l., 
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‘*1 '‘IiEtzloorrzfs is a manaof no infamy,and yet theyhurry him away to the

Tower, when he began to confefs in Newgat. Are you fo lofl,.that you
have no mercy left forthe Pfoteflamf Rel,z'gz°on_:? This is flrange, if the
terror of his condition malteeyhimiconfefs the whole PZor,& hebe taken
out ofour hand s-t,We hear of other thin gs,as that theFre;oc/oAméo[I2zo/or
had a hand in this Ploz*,Vwh,ich a Jury will not inquire into, their bu.
figzefs isgnlywhether Fitilmrris be guilty or not guilty of the indie’:-
:rnent.(_I mufi g:onfefs,. that with the:.;;arriageyofthis,_ I have enlargedmy
fuyfpitionglor I cannot but fufpeél; unufual ways-.- The Worft of Man»-
kindwitli all his.,Villanies, about him, has been pardoned.---ls there in

thisany provocation given by use butfomething depends upon this .

Man-,_as well as up0n..the,eBzfl- today. When. you was told by See: 5".
He zooulol noytg carry the Impeachment, 61 C.» and. the Houfe would
make no breaeh,_by t-aking: any fevere courfe«againflt.l1im,ibut pails it
eager with temper-——l-urc W13 rnuft not lay down all profe.cution- ofithe

Plot, and fay,tl1at the Prote/Zomt Religion {hall have no mercy. 'Fitiz- .r
- barris m-aywmerit mercy. byconfeflion; and if his breath be flop; by;
the Lords,  amforr-y tlliat people will fay, it were notfor the Lords,  
ll7i;tz,l,1ar1f;is might sljcwee olifeoveirezl41!:/aeConJ:ia;iracy,=anoz’ z‘/oe Proteflazzei
Relzgion mtg/.7rs}’oa-ve éeeizflztueo/... I M0VCwth€r€f0re7ti13tlI'l“y0L11’VOtC*f

you willnot only fay, Z7222: deseyieg this Im/Dead/omem‘, &c. rem/5 to
.2?/one fa/;z5fL*erti;og the Con/firution of'Pa/‘liament, out of the Proteflomt “Re-
ligion o[fo._& I hope we lhall proceedin this with the fame calmnefle
of mind that every man does Wilh,who would not lofehis-Religion.

Serg.  Plot weall know, has beenmon footinE7ogZa2zo/, and’

lam fure in Ireland too, and what Arts and Craftss have been uled to

» hide the Plotelt began with Murder and Perjury,and falfe Subomation-  
. 13¢ this of Fitz/oaris is a fecond part of that,We have {em up an Impeach-

mezzz‘ ago/z°_71fl F iszharris, and the Lords deny to receive it. In effect they

make us no.Parliament if we are the profecutors , and they: willnot? ~

heare our-Accufationycis llrange, when their own Lives as wel-las ours

are concerned in. the Pilot. e- The fame day we Impeach Fitzbarri: V _
* the Lords Vote, we /3521! ml‘ pryoflscate loim. ----_Now when all is at =

fiake, we mull not profecutet L if this be ifo , Holland and Flam/ers
mull fubmit to the From/o, and theyirun over all, This is a flrange
Breach ofpriviledge, and tends to the Danger of.thCsKieg’.,s Perfoln and

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Former Plot; I call it the Ola’ Plot, but ’tis fiillnew upon us, This is
a confirmation of the-deligne to Murder tie !{z'2zg,and the Duke, con-
fenting to deftroy his own Brother and our lfing. I have often heard
i.t.wifper’d, that this Plot was Ma:/ames Defigne at Dover. ’Tis plain
that Juftice Godfrey was Murdered,.,andt that the Army at B/act’/lveaté:
was to deftroy’the°Prote<ftants in flollam/,. and to awe the City of Law-
dam. When Fitzlaarris wasin-_a-n Inclina tion» to difcover what he
knew,.and two or three Honourable‘Meméérswent to Examine him,
this man was fetch’d' the next Clay-'_tO;Vi:7.i2'€lf/ZI[,._21I1d‘fCI1iC to the Tower
and fo we were deprived of all farther hopes of difcovery. We have
received the fnfizrmarioxl he gave, and now that the man may be in no
ca-pacit-y to difcover fart~her,they ftophis mouth. I move therefore that
you Wiil declare, T/Jdf zfaizj/«fudge, 37¢./Fice, or fag! proceedzrpon /aimymcl
éefozmzl Guilty, r/mt/you will declare them Guilty of/32': mrzrder, mm’ 56-
zrzy/ersqf'z"13e rights oft/ye C ommom of England. [V_id. z‘/J6 Primer! I/o2‘e.']

Sir W.  Now the Houfe has doneas much as is fit for the Lords,- ' A

but We do not know how Izrflriour. C ourzfly will proceed ; therefore
I’ll propofe a Vote ;,: T/Jar if 2114} Iafiriour Court j/wllpraceecz/, (Ste.
[tyliicli pafi,Vid. the Prim‘. ] {would not give occalion to people to lay
we do things inan extraordinary manner. ’Tis late, and pray let’s Ad»-
)ourn.i
Munday /Wart/9 2;8i';i68t««lJ7.7e Billfiyr tE.5:c.Z.aa’ing the Duke &c. read.
Sec. 3‘.  0 Bill was-ever oi-“(red l!1.,.Pi7I’/zitI}?2c$7f‘Oftilfi like nature,
f0"-fntichtagaltlfliitllé juiiice of tl1e Nation ; it condemns
a Man never heard. and then ’tis-alLaw m ade ex pcjz‘ f2zc‘2‘.«;s. —-Very extra-
ordinary--» againft the F undamezttai Juil;ice otithe N'r1";iOlt1;i21{}Ci.l10lI only
that, but againft the wifdom of the l‘~lation,..and wi;l introduce a change
of the Government. :,-,If the Duke will try tdcut this Law withhis

Sword, if heoVe1*come,s hewill have the fame power to let alide all

Laws, both for Refigioiz and Property; the power will be in the hands
of the Conqueror , and certain} y he will change the Government.

’1fis againlt the Religion of the Nation, which teaches to pay Obedi- ' .

ence to our Governor :rs,_ whether good or bad,never’{o faulty or cri-

minal. In primitive Chrifiianity,‘ Obedience was paid to Heathen .

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cgmeeeaiofit, nor’ on the iprofpeét of any -good. ‘ Ifl1all‘fa2y''on'e word‘ 
more, ’tis againll the Oaths of the Nation, ofAllegiance and Suprema-4 
cy. '1l1elDuke is the Kizsgslaxvlul Heir, if he have no ‘Son, I and in the 
Eye of the Law I am fworn tohim, and every Oatl1.1s\in the fenfe of  "
the Law-giv er . If this Difinherifonae-pafs‘now into a new Law,
who difpenfes me from that Oath to the King 9 -pofliblyl am too tedi-
ous, and not willingly heard.---Ifthei.Bz"/Z be againft the Religion of r ’
the Nation, be ing obliged by Oaths, againft the Government and
the wifdoin o fthe Nation, I hope you will throw it out. ,
T. 8. Sec. 7. has moved to throw out the Bill, and defired to be{
heard patiently; Ifind no body fecond him,pray let him go on and 
fecond himfelf. Orclerecla fecmzl Reading.   t ‘
Sir W. 3‘. Becaufe there has been much difcourfe in the Town of
the Votes that pafi on Saturday, upon the Lords Spiritzul am! Tem-
orai 2{ejec‘Z‘z';¢,g 2‘/ye Impeaclzment, &c.though,I believe what is done

the fatisfaétion we can , thatzwe are in the right. Ainongfl our mis-.-  ,
fortunes in being called tothis place, We are far remote from Recon/: i   
and Books ;but’yet I think it may, be eafy to prepare our ielves to "
"maintain whatlwe have done. According to the little light IhaVe,I

pe.-zc/omezzts againft Lords, bL1tagainIiCo:?.‘1mons too. a I :'ii;’i:'.7g)';2a C/aartag  
does not onlyfay Prerjuz/iciumpztrium &c. tut ;,2>.r Legmz ;i"r;?‘§i‘,7‘,¢g, &C_ 
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