mam HQ 1742 T4 UC-NRLF SB ? PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE FOR WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE PAPER READ BY COLONEL ^TEMPLE, C.I.E. on The Women of India at the ROYAL PALACE HOTEL, KENSINGTON on March 8th, 1899 PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE FOR WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE PAPER READ BY COLONEL TEMPLE, C.I.E. iv on The Women of India at the ROYAL PALACE HOTEL, KENSINGTON on March 8th, 1899 HQ ll H (IBomen oi Ittbia. WITH your kind permission I must commence my task this evening with some preliminary information. There are, as you are so often glibly informed, some 300,000,000 people in India, and you may infer from such a statement, though this fact is not usually brought prominently to your notice, that so vast a population as this is most heterogeneous in its composition. It is to this heterogeneousness that I have to draw your special attention, because the chief characteristic of Indian domestic polity is extreme subdivision. The tendency among all classes of the natives of India is towards the social isolation of groups with contracted interests, and the consequent accentuation of minute differences in habits of life. The results of this are what is generally known as "caste," and "caste" is best denned as eating, drinking and smoking together, and inter- marrying. Now, it is caste that underlies and controls all social matters that are peculiarly Indian. At first sight, therefore, in such circumstances, there can be no such thing as a common method of life among the women of a population, which is an ill-assorted compost of wild and savage tribes of diverse origin, of Brahmans and orthodox Hindus, of heterodox Hindus and non- Brahmanists by conviction and birth, of Buddhists and Jains and Parsis, of Muhammadans and Jews and Christians of very long standing, of Aryan and Dravidian races, of aboriginal clans of Aryan and non-Aryan descent, of highly cultivated communities and completely ignorant tribes, of whole peoples within and without the pale of Oriental civilisation. And thus it might be fairly argued that it is quite impossible to deal M43612 Varied a subject as that involved in a general view of womankind and her ways in India within the limits of a lecture. But the real fact is not quite so, because there exists a standard of life which is Indian, and to which all the varieties of the natives are drawn. Just as there is a life which is Oriental in the ordinary restricted sense of that term, habits that are Indo-Chinese and manners that are European. No one supposes that Norwegian and Italian ladies live exactly in the same way, or that English and Spanish women adopt pre- cisely the same mode of life ; but that there is a general line of conduct which is common to all European countries is apparent to everyone who observes mankind. So it is in India. The- overshadowing influence to which every true native of the great peninsula unwittingly submits is that wielded by the modern Brahmans through their staunch henchmen, the high-caste Hindus. In describing, therefore, in very general terms the aims and habits of an ordinary Brahmani, one can give a fair notion of a life to which the average Indian woman, however antagonistic her creed and race, is unconsciously led on by instinct, as it were, to imitate, and which is her invariable model. Now I say this, and I take the Brahmani as my model, of set purpose, because of the great and by no means decreasing hold that Brahmanism, as a living and active faith, has on the people of India, and because to the populace it_is a religion of customs and ceremonies, rather than of philosophy and creed. It enormously, if not mainly, influences the habits of daily life, and some expression of its action and its commanding power over the people is germane to my subject. Brahmanism is not a proselytising, in the sense of being a missionary, religion, and its fundamental theory it is a theory and not a practice be it remembered is, to parody a well-known saying, that the Hindu is born, not made. Nevertheless, there can be no doubt that it manages to make more converts by mere assimilation than can any other religion in India by direct missionary effort. Indeed, this absorption into Brahmamsm is becoming, under the pax Britannica, day by day, a more important feature in Indian social economy. As surely as the English bring fresh uncultured tribes under their civilising influence, so surely do they add to the number of the Hindus ; as surely as the iron hand of Anglo-Indian law, by refusing to recognise any difference between man and man, causes the upward rise in the social scale of those that labour to good purpose, so surely is the cause of Brahmanic orthodoxy advanced and its influence widened. I have watched the first process myself in the case of the recruits to our little army of Gurkhas. The wild moun- tain boy, on joining his regiment, is taught not only his drill, but also the Hindustani language as understood in military circles, and with it his religion, i.e., a smattering of current Hinduism. The second can be seen in progress any day all over India, by anyone who will take the trouble to observe the career of a successful handicraftsman or small trader. At first an " out-caste," dealing in matters of religion with his tribal sooth- sayer only ; as he gathers money he sets up a Brahman priest, and minds the orthodox gods, and at last, when respect- able and wealthy, he developes into a full-blown Hindu. And then, since in all Hinduism ceremonial orthodoxy is synonymous with social respectability, he adopts Hindu manners to the full ; isolates his women, prohibits the remarriage of widows, marries off his infant children in the proper quarters, and practises the thousand and one customs peculiar to his adopted religion. Of course, in order to be able to thus attract to itself so many antagonistic principles of custom and belief, the modern Brah- manism can have no hard and fast creed. It has, in fact, no creed at all, properly so called. It consists rather of a leading principle, viz., to gather together whatever items of belief may come to hand, in order to developethem in a certain definite direction under the control of its own priests and for their bene- fit ; and while the process of development is going on it naturally engrafts its own customs on to those it already finds in existence. Herein lies its wonderful vitality and strength, its capacity for digesting anything that gets into its maw, and its power of resisting internal disruption. The^ Apparently elastic network of caste and family customs that it invariably twines round its victims is marvellously cruel, and so unendurable that revolt after revolt has been made against it ; but the re- sult so far has been only to loosen the meshes for a time. Slowly and surely the intangible threads have tightened again, as by degrees the very customs created by the schismatics are adopted by the priests, and made to conform to the general theory, all the harder to resist because it is never formulated. The history of every sect that has broken off from Brahmanism, and of these there have been very many, some of which have been followed by many millions, is that of gradual absorption back into the main faith, through the control that the Brahman priests have always succeeded in obtaining over the very domestic ceremonies, from which the schisms have been chiefly created to exclude them. Even though the Parsis, Jews and Christians have greater powers of resistance than sects who base their philosophy and cosmogony on Hinduism itself can have, yet it would not be difficult to show how greatly the all- pervading faith of Hindustan has influenced them too. Many a missionary could tell a tale of more or less ineffectual battle with his own following against the notion of the existence of a Christian " caste." In the case of the Muhammadans the resistance has been but feeble. The bulk of them, being descen- dants of tribes converted wholesale in various ways to Islam in days gone by, are still Hindus in many matters of thought and custom. In fact, if we extract the profession of faith and a few formulae, it is not at all easy to say, as regards them, where Islam begins and Hinduism ends. In any case, Brahmanism overshadows their lives. Of course, I am not now speaking of the tenets deliberately held by the authorised exponents of the several rival religions, but of the religious ideas of the unintelligent masses, which are to my mind and here I find myself in accord with the best credited observers of Indian life the outcome of an unthinking reverence for things usually held to be holy, i.e., hagiolatry, whatever be the outward expression of faith. Of such a state of things Brahmanism is pre-eminently adapted to take full advantage ; for it presents no bold front to prejudices, and bends no man to- its will, but rather puts forth its tender tentacles, gradually draws to itself, and quietly absorbs all things. Having thus explained to you in the very barest of outlines what caste and Brahmanism mean, what their action is, and to what extent they influence the life of the people, I would ask permission, before proceeding further, to set aside any misap- prehension that the opening sentences of this address may have caused in your minds, by stating clearly that I would not have it inferred from what has been said, that I hold all the women of India to lead practically identical lives ; that the secluded banker's daughter has much in common with the scavenger's wife, free to go where she pleases and to speak to whom she will ; or that the worthy spouse of the village Maulavi would not at once flare up and feel highly insulted if told that her life was conducted on much the same lines as that of the equally worthy Panditani over the way. It would be more than erroneous, moreover, to state that a woman of the Himalayas has exactly the same views of propriety as she of Bombay, or that the grimy and unwashed Panjabi has manners similar to the oiled and carefully bathed inhabitant of Madras. All I wish to assert is that a special way of living underlies all those differences which appear to be so great to the casual observer,, and that beneath the chance-tossed waves on the surface there lie hidden depths of female life which are distinctly Indian, and which can be best sounded by a study of the high-caste Hindu woman. The Brahmani is, as it were, the fashionable beauty, whom all of her sex in India follow, with the varying success with which maids copy their mistresses all over the world. 8 Now I trust that it has been made clear to you that I cannot on the present occasion enter__inlo the details of thfi_life__of orthodox Hindu women. Nothing more, indeed, can be done now fhan to indicate its merest outlines in order to show of what it mainly consists, whither it tends, and how it affects those that lead it. Also, I would like to ask your leave to say that in endeavouring to go through the task I have been invited to undertake to-night, I am bound to plead, first that as a man, and secondly, that as an Englishman, I cannot do more than speak under correction. Hindu exclusiveness, as you all know, absolutely prohibits outsiders from personally observing what I am about to describe, and all that can be possibly done by per- sons situated as 1 am, is to procure our facts as nearly at first- hand as practicable. On this point I can only say that I have, during a continuous and varied study of the natives of India on the spot for nearly thirty years, had unusual opportunities of being in the way of obtaining accurate information about their lives from unquestionable sources, and have drawn for my present purposes solely upon matters which have come to me as the^rjThearetjjf llie^tale. Because I am, on this account, quite sure that all the~Tacts" thus learnt are straight from the. mouths of trustworthy natives of India. Further, at the risk of being accused of making too long a preface, I must also say that there are several ways in which the female life in India can be viewed. For instance, it can be looked at from a high moral standpoint of the European sort, or an instructive lesson in religion, as understood by us, might be taught from it, with our dusky Indian sisters as the " dreadful examples." Any- thing of this kind is, however, far from my present purpose. My aim is rather to try and grasp, without unduly criticising it, what that life must really be, and in roughly describing it, to bring it home to your minds. And though I shall touch upon matters and notice conditions which are very foreign, and even shocking to our ideas, I shall not mention them for any other reason than that they are facts which cannot be blinked. With this last item of preliminary information I will pass on to the subject proper of this evening's discourse. Domestic manners are everywhere composed of the same elements, if we eliminate from our daily lives the occurrences dependent on chance and those circumstances which, even if recurrent, are in reality occasional. All the world, in fact, sings the same tune, though each community has its own pet varia- tion. Every family is bound to evolve a modus vivendi. It can- not help making rules of conduct for eating and drinking and sleeping, for work and intercourse and recreation, as these are matters that, happen what may, must be attended to every day of our lives. Accordingly, wherever we go, we find regulations upon all these things, and the point we have now to consider is, what the ideas of household economy are, which dominate in a general way the domestic laws of the most orthodox of the Hindus, and through them the whole of the Indian com- munities, and then how they affect the women subjected to them. An orthodox Indian woman's life in its ordinary course is divided into two clearly denned parts, which are quite distinct, though separated from each other only by the fateful day on which she first goes to take up her abode within her father-in- law's family. Note that it is not called in the Indian languages her husband's family, for that, under the Indian family system, it can seldom be in the case of a bride. Childhood rather than girlhood is the heyday of the Indian woman. Free to play as she pleases, with plenty of companions, for children galore can hardly ever be wanting in a family which all live together, from oldest to youngest ; free to run in and out of the houses of friends, never bothered to learn anything except what she can pick up from the women about her, never worried with caste restrictions, never asked to do more in the way of labour than to help in the housework, petted by her parents, spoilt by her aunts and uncles, and beloved by her brothers, an Indian girl- child is indeed happy as children count happiness. And then IO suddenly the curtain falls. At about ten years of age earlier in some parts and later in others our spoilt child is old enough to work in earnest, and so she is packed off, sorely against her will, to join her husband's family, entering it, not as our brides, enter their future homes, at the head of the female community,. but at the bottom. Child though she still is, her childhood is. now for ever past, and she is turned into a young woman, only too often into by no means a happy one. At this stage it is necessary to consider two matters, so far as. they affect an Indian bride, viz., the practice of infant marriage, and what is known as the joint-family. I need hardly state that the so-called "marriage" of infants is practised among all classes in every part of India, though of course there are many exceptions to the rule. The term " marriage," as applied to- this ceremony by us, is, however, rather misleading. It is in reality an irrevocable betrothal a bargain not between the infants who are " married," but between those who control them, being often nothing else than a purely commercial con- tract. It arises out of the theory that a woman is for life under tutelage, and her " marriage " is, therefore, merely a transfer of the right over her to another party, a transfer naturally very frequently made in return for a pecuniary consideration. After this marriage or betrothal, the girl usually remains with her parents, in trust for those to whom she is to be transferred, until the home-coming or going to her husband's house, which may be looked upon as the real marriage, as we Europeans use the word. Until the second ceremony takes place the child- wife is still a child to all intents and purposes, and treated as such, and it is only after it that she in any sense enters on the duties of adult female life. The family she joins is exactly like that she has left, only it is that of another ; to her a vast differ- ence, and one which she never forgets indeed, it is not infre- quently made painfully apparent to her at every step. What I may call the standard Indian" joint-family is one composed of the paterfamilias, all his sons and brothers, and various extraneous. II relatives, such as nephews, cousins, and wife's kindred, for the male part ; and all their wives, in addition to his own wife and daughters, together with a sprinkling of the family widows, for the female part. In this patriarchy there are grades upon grades, both male and female, dependent chiefly upon age and distance by blood from the head of the family; and as every- body is married in India as soon as the time for it comes, the chances are that the last-made bride is, in the nature of things, in the very lowest place. In the average Indian family the strictest domestic economy is the rule of life, and the household work is done by the women of the household, not, as with us, by paid servants. Servants there are, of course, in all Indian families, but they are, as a rule, on a totally different footing to the European domestic, being for the most part independent persons with a clientele, for whom they perform certain customary services for a customary wage. The distribution of the daily work, down to that of the most menial kind, lies with the materfamilias, who may be best described as the oldest woman in the family proper under cover- ture, for widows can have no authority. The cooking, as the work of honour, she keeps to herself, but the house-cleaning, the washing, the care of the children, the drawing of the water, the making of the beds, and so on, is done by the less dignified members of the household, as she directs ; and whatever is most menial, most disagreeable and the hardest work, is thrust upon the bride. She is the servant of the very servants, and must obey everybody. It is hardly, therefore, to be wondered at that, after her previous training, it is by no means an un- common occurrence that she has to be forcibly broken into her new way of life, that she is for ever sighing after the flesh-pots of her father's house, that there are various " customs " which enable her to revisit it at stated times after the marriage, and that the law is often invoked to oblige brides to return to their husband's families after the customary term of such visits has expired. 12 Not only is our bride thus turned into a drudge, often un- mercifully overworked, but from the day she gives up her childhood to the day of her deathit may be for sixty years she is secluded, and sees nothing of the world outside the walls of the family enclosure. It should always, therefore, be borne in mind when trying to realise Indian female life, what a very important thing the domestic economy is to a woman; how largely the petty affairs of the household loom upon her horizon. Her happiness or misery indeed entirely depend on the manner in which the affairs of the family are conducted. Now, con sidering that the female mind has for centuries been mainly directed to this all-important matter, it is not astonishing to find that such questions as the proper method of eating and drinking, and of domestic propriety generally the intercourse, that is, which is permissible and right between the various members of the household, male and female have long been regulated with the utmost minuteness. To us who roam the world at will, and whose interests are often fixed far more out- side than inside our homes, it may seem remarkable that such infinitesimal restrictions and numberless customs as are found in full swing in an orthodox Hindu household should be re- membered and carried out with the exactitude demanded of the womenkind ; but if we consider that these make up their whole life, and that they are called upon to pay attention to nothing else, their capacity for recollecting when to veil and unveil, whom to address and avoid, when they must run away and when they may speak, ceases to be extraordinary. And re- garding these customs of social propriety, I must say that the more one studies them the more one is impressed with their per- verted ingenuity. They seem purposely invented to make the unfortunate victim of them as uncomfortable as possible. The Indian woman, isolated from the outer world by custom, is again by custom isolated as far as practicable from all the male members of. that little inner world to which she is confined. Free intercourse, even with her own husband, is not permitted 13 her while yet her youthful, capabilities for joyousness exist. No wonder then that absence of jollity is a characteristic of the Indians generally, for the happy laughter of a home is denied them by custom in the most persistent manner. I can- not go into all, or nearly all, the customs by which the orthodox Brahmanists have succeeded in rendering themselves a sombre people incapable of seeing a good-natured joke, and whose young men and maidens never laugh for laughter's sake. A few will suffice to bring home to you how completely the women are in sympathies and life separated from the men, and how the members of the sexes again are far from mixing freely with each other. Very small is the world within the four walls of an Indian house,:and it seems really pitiable to us to note how greatly it is divided within itself. Every person belonging to the European races, an English- man especially, well knows how much common meals tend to social sympathy ; how powerful a factor they are in promoting pleasurable family existence, and in educating the young to good manners. There is nothing of this sort in Indian upper class society. There the men and women dine strictly apart, the women greatly on the leavings of the men, and that, too, in messes of degree, very like those in a royal naval ship. Pater- familias dines by himself, then the other men together in groups, according to standing, waited on by the women under fixed rules j and lastly the women, when the men have done, our poor young bride coming last of all, obliged often to be content, I need hardly tell you, with the roughest of the fare. In the British Navy separate dining has been adopted for undeniable reasons of discipline involving the very life of every one at sea ; in an Indian family it is the rule of life to which all are subjected alike. Such, then, is one of those customs which go to make an Indian woman's existence less happy than it might be. Let me tell you another, this time as to family intercourse. The rule may be roughly stated thus. No imported woman may have any relations with those males who are her seniors. Every bride is such an imported woman, and all the household which she enters, who are the seniors of her husband, are her seniors. This at first generally includes nearly the whole family, and must necessarily for a long while include the major part of it. In all her life she never speaks to her husband's father, uncles, or elder brothers, though dwelling under the same roof, or, to speak more correctly, within the same enclosure, for an Indian house is what we should call a courtyard surrounded by sets of apartments. On the other hand, paterfamilias has not only never spoken to, but technically has never even been seen by, any of the younger women of his varied household, except those born within it, though they all dwell under his protection and at his expense. You will perceive, therefore, that the women's lives are contracted to within even a smaller sphere than that limited by the boundaries of the common family dwelling. What would seem to us to be intolerable restrictions by no means end here. In many places it is not proper for a young father to fondle his own children in the presence of his parents, and highly improper for a wife to be seen holding converse, or appearing unveiled, or sitting down before her own husband, until she has become a mother. It is hard for us to realise how artificially lonely a life hedged about in this way must be, and how it must affect the temperament. Native writers tell us that breaking the spirits of the brides is looked upon by mater- familias as an essential part of education. Who can wonder at it? There is another custom regarding which it is useless to pre- tend that it does not lead to endless misery and family squabbling the absolute subjugation of the women to the materfarnilias. The mother-in-law is indeed an awful personage in the eyes of her son's wives, one against whose will and caprice it is hope- less to rebel. I can hardly describe her power better than by noticing a daily ceremony which symbolises it. It really amounts to wishing " good morning," is called in Upper India 15 mdthd teknd, and consists of bowing down to the ground and touching it with the forehead. All the women, except her own daughters, perform it daily to the materfamilias when they first see her, and a bride must do it practically to everybody. As the years advance, an Indian woman's happiness in life im- mensely depends on her becoming the mother of a son. This at once raises her in the family estimation, which is all in all to her ; insures her against the greatest bitterness of widowhood, in case that befall her ; and procures her domestic authority should she survive to mature years under coverture. Mater- familias is a veritable queen in her own little world, often coercing her husband, commanding her sons, and ruling the rest as she pleases. From what has come under my observa- tion, I have long felt assured that, speak contemptuously of the opposite sex as they choose, lock them up as they may, and treat them as mere breeders of sons as they will, the natives of India are far more henpecked than they care to admit. Outside their homes the men live a life of their own, untrammelled by considerations of the fair sex ; within them they have little con- trol, and it must be borne in mind that it is the mature women that have come to be such sticklers for the continuance of the state of things I have above endeavoured to describe. The remarks) ust made apply, as above said, to the mothers of sons only. (^Should a woman be so unfortunate as not merely to be O barren, 'But to be simply the mother of daughters, life goes much harder with her, especially as this is so liable to bring upon her that which (if their songs and proverbial sayings are to be trusted) the Indian women dread more than all things except widowhood the advent of the co-wife. There are proverbs in- numerable to show how very badly co- wives get on, but " a fairy for a co-wife is a devil," exhibits the mutual relation forcibly and clearly as it usually is. And when the rival wife brings forth the long-desired son, the barren woman's cup of bitterness is full, and all her hatred towards him is, to those who know the circumstances, well expressed in that most sarcastic of sayings i6 n any language, " The son of the co-wife." No more words are wanting to the Indians to convey the expression of all uncharit- ableness, and indeed even the kindliest of them will admit that among them women and their step-children seldom do hit it off. As to the hard lot of the childless widow, so much has been said elsewhere, and so often, that I do not feel inclined to enlarge upon it to-night, especially as enforced widowhood is not nearly so general as is usually made out by those who would deduce a moral from Indian manners to the glorification of the habits of Christians. It is often not prevalent among classes who conform generally to the customs I have been mentioning, and circumstances make it impossible among many that are not comparatively wealthy; but where it is the rule nothing can be more cruel, and I feel justified in using the strong term, more revolting. Take the case of the widow from infancy ; shorn of all that women value anywhere in the world, dressed in coarse clothing, deprived of her ornaments, compelled to fast till health breaks down, made to subsist on the coarsest of food, kept out of what amusements come in the way of the rest of the household, forced into being the unpaid drudge of the family,' held to be the legitimate butt of the ill-nature of all, considered fit only to amuse the children, openly called and taught to think herself a creature of ill-omen this being the cause of all the rest of her sorrows supersti- tion has indeed nowhere else shown more clearly its power to pervert the reason ,of man. How much the women dread widowhood is exhibited to the full in the fact that to call a woman a widow is to offer her a dire insult, and from her earliest childhood a girl is taught to pray that she may die while yet the red spot of coverture remains on her forehead. In any case the fear of widowhood overshadows the Hindu lady's life even though she hate her lord ; just as it has often seemed to me that the picture of the death in front of them must always be before the minds of the orthodox Bengalis. We all know how dearly cherished is the idea of a death with loving hands I? about us to soothe our pains, and the sound of loving words to comfort our last thoughts ; well, what has the Bengali before him ? As soon as he is pronounced incurable, rightly or wrongly, by the local quack, he is carried, still living, out of his house, amid the screams of his widow to be and the wails of his kindred, down to a river or pond to die, and there in all his misery kept half immersed, whatever be the weather, until death releases him, it may not be for days. One can never know how it strikes those who must expect it as their most probable end, but the vision of that last agonising journey and the pain and suffering of it, the view of that muddy bank and the darksome water and the horror of it, would be ever before my eyes were I in such a position. However, it is no part of my business to-night to tell a sensa- tional tale, nor do I wish to convey an impression that an Indian woman's life is necessarily all unhappiness. Human nature in her case is as capable of adapting itself to circumstances as else- where, and since the ultimate gauge of permanent individual happiness is suitability of temperament to immediate surround- ings, rriany a woman in India must be so constituted as to be quite content with the life she is called upon to lead, and in fact to enjoy it. When a girl is naturally sedate, yielding, and good-natured, of blunt susceptibilities, limited aspirations, and strong religious emotions, she will give in to her mother-in- law, avoid quarrelling without effort, follow the course of life laid down for her without demur, thoroughly believe it to be the only desirable life to lead, find the innumerable restrictions imposed upon her not unwelcome, and become contented with her contracted sphere ; and if those about her happen to be kind, be quite as happy in a gentle way as any girl in the world. But the potentialities for misery involved in her surroundings are enormous, and where such is the case, to argue that misery is not the frequent result would be to argue against human nature. At all events the purview of her life is limited to a de- gree which it is difficult for us to realise. It resolves itself daily i8 into this : the strict performance of petty religious ceremonies, feeding, bathing, dressing, cooking, and household drudgery, all so hedged round with minute regulations as to make each a special occupation, and to these must be added visiting and gossip during her afternoon leisure. How petty that gossip must be can be inferred from the facts already laid before you. Remember that the great majority of these ladies are altogether uneducated, that ever since they have been old enough to observe and think they have been shut out from the world, that they have no knowledge of any person or thing beyond those immediately around them except what they can pick up from their menials, and then you will have no difficulty in understanding that their interests are centred in their jewels and ornaments, their food, their personal concerns and troubles, the peculiarities of the members of their households, and lastly and chiefly, in what social ceremonies and feasts happen to come their way, the widows being shut out from even these. If a marriage, a death, or a birth among their kindred were the only landmarks in English ladies' lives, we should soon have these occasions erected into as lengthy family ceremonies as they are in India. If the observance of Ash Wednesday, Shrove Tuesday, Candlemas, Michaelmas, Lady-day, May-day, and what not of our standard religious and secular feasts were the main opportunities for breaking the monotony of an im- prisoned life, how carefully they would be kept, and how anxiously looked forward to. This is why all the innumerable shankrdnts, ekddshis, ashthamis, ndumis, and other queer fasts and feasts are so regularly attended to in India. Indeed, female ingenuity has there long ago seized upon the many other op- portunities for diversion afforded by occurrences incidental to human existence, and there are ceremonies to be gone through on every possible excuse. No phase of life escapes childhood, puberty, pregnancy, maternity, widowhood, all come in for a share. The first tying of a rag round a boy's loins occasions a family feast, and so does the first time his hair is cut, the first '9 time he puts on thejaneu, or sign of caste ; and so on all through life. Before he is a man he has gone through sixteen sacra- ments, each a notable occasion in the eyes of his women folk. Babies are put through all sorts of ceremonies, on the first, the fifth, the seventh, the fortieth, and other days after birth. They cannot even see the sun for the first time, and, of course, cannot, be given a name, without a feast being held over the fact. As to the women's special ceremonies, they are just as numerous, and, though before a mixed audience I am here treading on delicate ground, it would be giving an incomplete picture of the native woman if all allusion to them were avoided. Of their tenor and effect I shall, however, have probably said enough in telling you that many of them are meant to give pro- minence to domestic occurrences of such a nature as to render innocence and a delicate mind impossible to an Indian girl. This leads me to comment on a matter regarding which interested natives and imperfectly informed Europeans are fond of throwing much undeserved blame on the Anglo-Indians, and that is, as to their not mixing socially with the natives. ; Especially is this reproach levelled at the English ladies whose j lot is cast in India. Now there are two sides to this question, and I will take that one on which, as a close and long observer of Indian character and habits, I have formed a strong opinion ; and I will say at once that this charge, though plausible, is very unfair. Granting that coldness is the besetting sin of the English, our manners are effusiveness itself when compared with those of the Indians. How, I ask, are we to be socially friendly with a people who will not eat or drink with us ? To offer to whom such a simple and natural kindness as a cup of water to quench thirst, or, it may be, to alleviate pain, is an offence against religious feelings ? To be on terms of friendliness or of mutual respect is, even in these circumstances, easy, and I may say that such relations are common enough in India ; but is it possible for true sociability to exist ? It is not making use of exaggeration to say that it does not obtain between natives 2O themselves, unless they happen to be of the same caste. Again, all the world over, to admit a rnan to the society of wife and children is to acknowledge inferiority, unless such courtesy is mutual ; and does not the Englishman in India know full well that if he introduce a native to his home the compliment will never be returned ? I will go further, and say that to refuse food at another man's hands as being polluted by contact with him is to place him in an inferior position. It is all very well to assert that the native is bound to act thusTbylTis religious customs, but every nationality must reasonably'take the con- sequences of any peculiarities of custom it chooses to adopt, and the Indian cannot fairly blame the average Englishman for thinking that proper self-respect makes it impossible for him to hold familiar intercourse with those that cannot allow social equality. The fact is, the ordinary European who knows the country will not stand the galling claim to racial superiority conveyed in Indian manners, and while these remain what they are he will hold aloof from those who practise them. This is natural, and though religious susceptibilities have un- doubtedly a strong claim to consideration, human nature has a claim that will not brook being passed over. The argument that superior civilisation should cause the English to sink their feelings, can be met by the more cogent and practical one, that where masses of people are concerned, nature will always keep the upper hand, with the result in this case that so long as the Indian's ways continue to be exclusive, the master- ful Englishman will resent them. It may be said, however, that women are not excluded from Indian harems, and that if the Anglo-Indian is himself prevented from doing so, his wife and daughters might at any rate visit the Indian ladies. As to this, I dare to say that education and free intercourse with the world at large has rendered English ladies socially so im- measurably superior to those of India, that association of any kind except of a ceremonial nature is impracticable to all but the specially prepared. It is not fair to ask, and, as matters 21 still are, but questionably prudent to encourage, a pure-minded 1 and well brought up but inexperienced English girl, as we un- derstand these words, to be on intimate terms with an average specimen of the zenana, until the latter is rendered more fitted for her society. The truth is that the want of companionship so observable between dark and fair in India is due, firstly, to Indian customs, and, secondly, to the comparatively low mental and moral condition of the well-born female population, and not, as is usually asserted, to British pride. Now, with reference to the rough sketch I have given you to-night of what I may term the normal state of things in India, I would again draw your attention to the fact that I am far from saying that such is the invariable rule, or from denying that there are whole castes whose women are not secluded, and that many are educated. I feel compelled to repeat that minute and endless variation is the chief characteristic -of Indian society, in case it may be thought that my analysis of a high- caste Hindu woman's life is exactly applicable to that of every woman one meets in the roads and fields. The fact is that there is no subject on which it is easier to speak to generalities from isolated facts, and it is so wide and complicated, that one can hardly make a broad assertion without with perfect truth being contradicted as to the specific custom at any given spot. I merely say that the above description is, as fairly as I can make it, applicable to the life actually led by millions of Indian women, and it is the style of life towards which nearly all of them unconsciously gravitate. But, what a life ! What a gloomy picture you have drawn ! are expressions which would] naturally spring to your lips. Is it, however, overdrawn ? My reply to this question is : Go to the East and watch the manners and ways of the nationalities who seclude and who do not seclude their women. Where there is seclusion, brightness and youthfulness are absent from the manner ; the laughter is not happy, it is spiteful ; the smiles are not of the pleased, but of the cynical. Where 22 there is no seclusion brightness and youthfulness are the cha- racteristics of the people ; there is happiness and good humour in their laughter ; there is pleasure and kindliness in the smiles. It comes to this, as an observation on society, lock up and distrust the women and the brilliance will flicker out of life. If you doubt this, go to Hindustan which secludes, 'and then to Burma, Siam and Malaysia which do not ; go to China which secludes and then to Japan which does not. On the one side the secluded side you will find sombreness and gravity to be the prevailing characteristics, on the other sunshine and light- heartedness. Is all this to count for nothing ? Is the contrast to have no meaning ? One conclusion I would, at any rate, press upon your notice. The range of these phenomena prove that they are not traceable, as is sometimes said, to the reli- .gion followed, nor, as is sometimes also said by our detractors, to the baleful presence of British rule ! But, in spite of all this, there are a couple of proverbial say- ings which apply most aptly to the present case: "There are two sides to every question " and " Mankind is better than its laws." Thus, where mutual kindness and love of children are present families do manage to adapt themselves successfully to the zenana and its ways, and where natural ability has been possessed in an irrepressible degree women have risen superior to their home education and surroundings and shown themselves to be capable administrators of estates and even of kingdoms. Genuine and noble heroines are by no means unknown to Indian story. So you must not be surprised to hear that many of the women subjected to the kind of life you have had de- scribed to you are not at all aware that it is gloomy or unhappy. It is a well-known and ascertained fact that while their Wes- tern sisters are pitying them from the bottom of their kindly hearts, the Eastern women in their turn are pitying the women of the West. And for what ? For their freedom, their educa- tion, their obligations to appear in public and act for themselves, their want of protection ! 23 Nevertheless, there are many men and some women among the natives, who are fully aware that the existing mode of female life could be exchanged for something more vigorous, more elevated, more helpful towards the advancement of their kind : and many are the serious attempts that have been made both by natives and Europeans in the past fifty years to bring -about a wholesomer and more rational state of things. Societies have been started all over India, both orthodox and "ad- vanced," which have for years been doing much useful work in a quiet and sober way towards the discontinuance of infant marriage, the promotion of the remarriage of widows, and the advancement of female education. Some of these are found among the humbler and some among the wealthiest and most powerful classes in the country. One great victory they have already achieved is that the great, the powerful, the learned, the orthodox in all parts of India have boldly and loudly pro- claimed that neither infant marriage nor perpetual widowhood have the sanction of what the Hindus rather hazily call their Scriptures. The effect of these societies was long mainly visible on the surface in funny advertisements, in the style of the Matrimonial News, by young gentlemen willing to meet with widowed vir- gins, who are of course quite common in India, possessed of certain qualifications. Ridiculous as their accounts of them- selves were, and queer as appeared to be their ideal of woman- hood, the advertisers acted in all earnestness, and their announcements were the outcome of an important social move- ment. But under the surface many cases have come under my personal notice of literate Hindus in all ranks of life, who setting their faces against child-marriage, often in the teeth of more than painful opposition, in a manner that did them all the more credit because they were in too humble a station to gain any notoriety thereby were steadily educating their girls, avowedly in the hope that those they held dear might be saved from that life of empty superstition I have to-night endeavoured 2.4 to bring before you. In education you will at once see lies the reaTTemedy against nearly every evil to which Indian women at the present day are by custom liable. However, in con- sidering the work of these reformers, we must not lose sight of those efforts, to which I alluded in the earlier part of my dis- course, on the part of the low out-caste Hindus to be included within the pale of the orthodox by imitating their imperfections^ Taken woman for woman, it is still, I think, true, that there are far more women at the bottom of the tree who are being newly obliged to undergo seclusion and the miseries of Hindu widowhood, than there are at the top, whom growing enlighten- ment is releasing therefrom. Still the hopeful observation is that there are already many indications that it is a race between the hare and the tortoise. Among concerted European efforts, and every effort to be of any permanent value must, in so difficult a matter, be concerted, I will mention first the Zenana Missions, which aim at educat- ing the inmates of the zenanas to a higher and more cheerful life by means of personal example, exhibited through an intimate acquaintance with them. The opposing force to be encountered here is the power of those in possession to refuse the requisite permission to enter their homes and pass the barriers set up and maintained by ignorance and its constant companion, bigotry. The great lever for opening this difficult door is medical aid, a fact which was long ago perceived and acted on by isolated ladies resident in India, who here and there visited the zenanas and began their noble task of the moral regeneration of the w (3* women, by teachjng^gifls to read-aad-write, and the elements .of sanitajiori__a.nd__of^ Western medic^lJmDwledge, so that their vT' .pupils might intheir turn: teach others of their own race, and so make a small beginning, destinecf^it was hoped, to bear much more than salutary fruit for the far-off generations to come... These sporadic efforts at laying a foundation were taken up and .systematised by the Zenana Mission Societies, who have made the medical care of the secluded woman their direct aim. , It. 25 was out of the public discussion which their efforts and methods brought about that what is known as Lady Dufferin's Fund arose. This movement differed from its forerunners and con- temporaries in being entirely secular and medical. But, by attacking only obvious and undeniable defects, and leaving religious prejudices alone, it is the movement that will most surely insert the wedge and lift the lever that is to open the door. Running over its objects we find that, first, comes medical tuition, next medical relief, and lastly, the supply of female trained nurses and midwives. The immediate aims are not very lofty, as will have been perceived, nor are they complicated ; but in practice the idea underlying them goes to the root of the mischief it is sought to eradicate. For, where direct or implied missionary effort might for ever fail, attempts at the alleviation of purely physical suffer- ing may well succeed, and it is a happy feature of the particular endeavours now being made that they must neces- sarily elevate the tone of the Indian female mind, because they include education of a right sort. Ever since the kindly wives of English officials and residents commenced their lonely efforts there has been hope. Ever since the Zenana Missions showed how those efforts could be combined and the way to get at the hearts of the people, there has been strong hope. And now that the Dufferin Fund has brought their methods within the range of practical politics, there is much more than merely con- firmed hope ; there is certainty of ultimate success. I feel that it is difficult to find words to bring home to you the solid practical good done by the native and European efforts I have been noticing, for it is n^l_at-aiLeas^__withoutstudy on the spot and well-informed reflection thereon, to realise what is involved in the secluded life and in the habits and superstitions of its followers. But it will have been perceived that the essence of the life I have described to-night is confinement to the house ; a life from which all healthy bodily exercise is under 26 any circumstances absent. Now, this is bad enough in a palace,, even where, as in India, the palace consists of a collection of apartments inside a high-walled garden ; but in India, as every- where else, palaces are very few and far between, and space in towns is limited and valuable. There the common courtyard is contracted to a few feet square, forming a sort of well, round 1 which the dwelling rooms run several stories into the air, just as they do in London and for the same reason. All native con- servancy, too, regulates itself, except where the English in- terfere, and wherever their intervention is exercised native ingenuity is directed mainly towards the best means of thwart- ing their well-intentioned efforts. The true Indian has a deeply-rooted conviction, born of Brahmanism, that water, as such, purifies all things, a theory that causes him immeasurable suffering in the present, and of which it is to be hoped for his own sake he will in the early future realise the terrible fallacy. If female life be necessarily unhealthy in the palaces, as it un- doubtedly is, what can it but be in the cramped imitations thereof to be counted by thousands in the Indian townships ? But these many-storied town dwellings are the mansions of the relatively rich, and are as very palaces in comparison with the much more numerous houses of the respectable possessors of small incomes. It has often been my duty, for various reasons,, to inspect these humbler houses, and I will say that callous or prejudiced indeed must be the heart of him that can mark the tumble-down mud hovels doing duty for the rooms, the sodden floor of the ten feet square of bare earth that answers to the garden, the dingy tattered rag that curtains off the zenana, the horrible, half-hidden corner that is the family privy, and find no place for pity for those whom custom shuts up for life within the dilapidated mud walls that surround this apology for a home. High caste Hindus' houses are often exquisitely clean v but many a Muhammadan dwelling I have entered is very much the reverse, and in either case the laws of sanitation are, to put it gently, not understood. In such circumstances health 27 s, as a matter of course, feeble, and disease of the respiratory and digestive organs rampant. I am bound also to touch here upon a delicate subject. Par- turition in such houses as those just described is, for reasons- that will be readily understood, dangerous and exceedingly painful. How important a point this last is may be explained by the fact that every woman, except the infant widow, is married, and that the most cherished desire of the sex is the bearing of a son. We in England are accustomed to be told that women have better chances of longevity than men ; but look over the death statistics of the women in India, between the ages of fifteen and thirty, and you will see that circumstances can locally reverse a natural law. It was then with the object of preventing some at least of the unnecessary suffering caused by prejudice and custom and, it must be added, by Indian midwifery that the Marchioness of Dufferin took in hand her scheme of female medical aid for the Indian women. As I was for some years the president of one of the branches thereof in Burma, I had to inform myself in some detail as to the superstitions and the consequent practices relating to mater- nity in that country. It has been wisely said that bad social customs are the outcome of correct deductions from false pre- missesr^rroTlt is in T5J5~T7gy~that many obvious cruelties, "oT" pracTlcT^aTe--phtrosopEically explatned. The observation cer- tainly applies to those relating to the lying-in room in Burma ; where, based on the old false medical theory of the humours, of which fortunately for us we have but a few such social expres- sions as good and bad and dry humour left as mementos, maternity is attended with such terrible customs as to be positively dreaded by the women. If it were possible for me now to explain some of them, you would understand why the bright girl you knew this year is often the trouble- worn woman of the next. Blithe and lively she will still be. It requires more than maternity, even as she experiences it, to take that spirit out of a Burmese woman, but 28 signs of the horror of what she has been through will be on her. Something of the kind also is the lot of many a caste woman in India, and I -clearly remember that some years ago there appeared in the public press there, a strong and sympathetic account of the untimely fate of a girl-mother she had known, by. a competent hand I was well acquainted with. But I wish you all to clearly understand that, cruel as these customs are, they are not intentionally so. Ceremonial cruelty never is. The perpetrators thereof are distinctly cruel only to be kind. Every -suffering thus inflicted is for the good of the patient as they see it. Now I am speaking before an. Association which aims at the improvement of the existing position of the women of this country. But how very much superior even that is to the position I have endeavoured to bring home to you to-night. This and kindred Associations are peculiarly adapted to a sympathetic view of my subject, and I shall not have spoken in vain here if I have succeeded in making so far clear the matters / to be remedied, the need for the remedy, and the efforts being made to that end, as to create something jnorejhan sympathy fl a desire to actively assist in^the great work of the AssocTafionsj) irTlndia, whose noble ^selfamposed duties I have all too briefly ' sketched. A work that was, I will not say initiated, because t'hat is not true, but given a lasting impetus, to her great honour, by the Marchioness of Dufferin, that has all along had the active sympathy of our gracious Sovereign herself, and has been pushed forward, not emotionally or spasmodically but steadily, soberly and tactfully, by every vice-reine since Lady Dufferin's time. I think it no exaggeration to repeat now in conclusion what I have already said in effect elsewhere on this great sub- ject. In no part of the world is the saying that the history of a people is a thing apart from the history of politics so true as it is in India. There kings come and go, empires and systems and faiths arise and disappear, but the development of the domestic economy proceeds along a path of its own ; and it 2 9 needs no great gift of prophecy to foresee, that if the efforts initiated by the British ruling class succeed in relieving the Indian women of all avoidable suffering, and in giving a useful impetus to that right education on which their ultimate emanci- pation from unnecessary trammels depends, British rule in India and the East will have brought about at any rate one splendid achievement, merciful and compassionate, redounding to its lasting credit and earning for it a justly affectionate remembrance, long after the current political storms have vanished into the regions of history, long after the highest of the living philosophies has died a natural death, and, it may be, long after the British Empire in the East has become but a memory of the past. DISCUSSION. THE CHAIRMAN, SIR OWEN TUDOR BURNE, G.C.I.E., K.C.S.I., rose to invite discussion on the subject of the lecture, and said : " I am quite sure, by the encouraging way in which the paper has been received, that you agree with me in thinking that Colonel Temple has brought a most important subject to our notice in graphuyclear and, inteiligenrterms. We English men and women have a great duty to perform towards India, and great responsi- bilities in regard to one of the most important parts of our own empire. Colonel Temple has painted the-pictufe with the brush ol a true artist, yet he has given that picture a somewhat sombre hue. I propose, without in any way contradicting anything that he has said, to try and throw a little gleam of sunshine upon the picture. It is quite true that Hindu society is very strict ; it is quite true that infant marriage is a thing we all disapprove ; but we must remember that for hundreds of years in that country the girl who is not married is looked upon as disgraced, and that a man is not considered respectable until his marriage. The Hindu gentlemen turn round upon the 30 Anglo-Indian bachelor and say what a fool he is, how wretched is his lot! Then in regard to widows there are 21,000,000 poor widows in India suffering to the extent that Colonel Temple has described. Again, it is quite true that the mother-in-law dominates the household, and that the grandmother takes up the stick and gives the bride a good thrashing ; it is quite true that these poor secluded women wander about from room to room, spend hours in putting up their hair and taking it down again, in putting on their jewels and taking them off, in reading novels and in gossip and tittle-tattle all about nothing. But is not that so in our own households in the West ? But in Indian life there is a feeling of religion according to their lights in the ruling of the family, a feeling of kindness between relatives, a desire to help one another which we do not often see or at all events do not always see in our own country. When you ask an educated, intelligent Hindu gentleman " Have you any authority for infant marriage or for widowhood ? " or for those many customs Colonel Temple has described, he says : " No authority of any kind. It has simply arisen from mediaeval Hinduism, because in the original Bible of the Hindus a woman was elevated to the highest position and led an untrammelled life ; and in restoring woman to her proper place in India you are only doing what the Hindu Scriptures have enjoined upon every Hindu." Colonel Temple has referred to Lady Dufferin's Fund, and I should like to say that the original idea emanated from a Hindu lady : it was mentioned to the Queen and sug- gested by her to Lady Dufferin, who in a noble manner stamped it with her name. There is no doubt, as Lord Curzon reminded us the other day, that when you cannot enter Hindu households^ by means of any other argument whatever, there is one plat- l^i form upon which you can always enter, and that is medicine. ^ Not only are 300 or 400 native ladies now instructed in medicine, but about 800,000 women in the Zenanas are being helped by ourselves in this manner. I would impress one thing upon you whilst we may reach the Zenanas by medicine, we must never forget that we are what we are in India by virtue of being a Chris- tian power, and I cannot but remember what was said by Sir John Lawrence in 1858, that while our equal and impartial forbear- ance towards all creeds differing from our own has always con- stituted one of our first claims towards the confidence of the people of India, we are never to forget we are a Christian nation carrying out Christian principles. I therefore wish, while speaking respectfully of Lady Dufferin'sFund,to offer my humble meed of praise to the Zenana associations at home and the many means by which we have entered the Zenanas, and more than that, have given them our own Bible ; because when the Hindu examines our Scriptures he finds that his own are taken from them. We must remember that any movement to be safe must be slow. SIR JOHN JARDINE, K.C.I.E. : Sir Owen Tudor Burne, Ladies and Gentlemen : Colonel Temple has said that he spoke under correction, but it would be very difficult for any- one to correct the thoughtful and careful statement of an officer so distinguished in the world of Indian research. I have been in big cities and in small places in India, I have attended many of the Hindu festivals with much satisfaction, and I can say that, speaking generally, I agree with nearly all the facts Colonel Temple has stated. As he has said, in so immense a population, among people speaking many languages, there must be many facts that no one person can find out. As regards Brah- manism not having any strong persistence in dogma, custom seizes upon them, prescribes rules about washing, dying, etc., and finds their chiefs a better set of ancestors than they have ever been aware of before. The matter was much discussed in Westminster Abbey in a series of lectures ; of course it concerns itself with caste and marriage, and in India the custom has a certain sway it has not here. The native says it is custom or religion : both words mean very much the same thing in his mind. Marriage is the thing round which most of the life of 32 women in India turns ; it is chiefly ruled by the amalgamation of custom and religion ; ifc i& -Strictly regulated by caste rules. The young man and the young woman in India are not asked what they think of their future partner, it is no business of theirs, the contract is made by the fathers and mothers. It is not what we are accustomed to here, but still, there is the authority of Doctor Johnson for stating that marriages would be just as happy made in this manner. Speaking generally, the people in India do not want anything else. Again, it is quite true, as Doctor Johnson says, "their pots of happiness" may not be such big ones as in this part of the world, but I should say that their " pots of happiness," such as they are, are filled up. I am not going to take such a sombre view as that of Colonel Temple, but this is partly because my home has been more in Southern India, where even the Brahman women are in the habit of going out in public ; so that though society as it increases in respec- tability tends rather towards these restrictions of Brahmanism, there are many people who live quite outside them, mixing with other women, seeing the men at the great feasts round the temples, and having a great many of the same amusements in a quiet way, and a certain amount of fun in their homes. They have always seemed to me to lead fairly happy lives. Their day is spent in bathing in the tanks, chatting on subjects of interest to them, etc. When I say that marriage is a con- tract made by the fathers and mothers, I ought to say that it is done in a fairly business-like fashion. I well remember once, as a bachelor, when holding a diplomatic appointment I had to assist in getting a certain prince to marry the daughter of another prince. He was not at all willing, and I had to use various arguments to try and convince him that this was what he must do. Neither of the contracting parties had ever seen each other ; and he proceeded to put a few questions and give me a lecture on marriage. First he said a sensible father has to enquire about the disposition of the girl ; is not that right ? I said it was. Then, he must find out whether she is beautiful. 33 I had to agree. If they come to like the officer of the district, and he is a bachelor, they say, " How is it you are not married ? " He says, " There is nobody in this forest or this desert, I can find nobody of my caste." " Oh," they answer, " Colonel So- and-So, who lives so many miles away, has daughters, why not select one of them ? " In Burma there is a different course of things, and more advantages. The old Hindu law has been broken, and if the young people stand up for themselves the fathers and mothers have to give way. This enormous differ- ence is partly due to the race, but it also has to do with the different quality of the Buddhist religion. We find this ex- plained in Sir Edwin Arnold's poem. If the women have equal rights with men in regard to marriage, divorce, and everything else, this must tend to the equality of the sexes. We find in their books a good many intimations that they regard women and married life far more in the way that we do, the women lead an independent life, and do quite as much of the business of the country as the men, and are, as far as I can judge from what I see in Burma, superior to the masculine sex. In the Southern provinces the women are not much confined, and in Bombay a number of them go forth and mix with the Europeans at large meetings and gatherings. Some of them come to the examinations of the girls' schools, and the giving of prizes, and there is a reform party which includes many of the Brahmans men of the highest intellect. The problem, however, is, when all admissions are made, how to alter the bad parts of the ex- isting state of things ? I agree entirely with what has been said by the previous speakers about the advantage of the Dufferin Fund and the necessity of education. Once I found in examin- ing a girls' school, a little widow among the pupils. Her father was a Brahman, and he was trying to give her as much enjoy- ment as she could possibly obtain from reading, writing, and so on. They say, too, as is said about the half-time question here, that the fathers and mothers do not like to give up the labour of the children. There are other matters to be touched 34 on in regard to doing some good in India, and it has often seemed to me that it is difficult for rulers to interfere with things so near the domestic life of the people. They are doing what they can ; many men, high in the Brahman caste, are actively exerting themselves in such matters as girls' schools and the training of future wives up to the VI. standard. As to the reason for the Government not meddling much I will men- tion one or two things. In Burma they may divorce themselves, if husband and wife agree, and on mere caprice against the will of the other. There was once an attempt to introduce a new law in regard to marriage, and we found there was hardly any information to be got with regard to the validity of marriage, and the Viceroy's Government prudently left the matter alone. 1 agree with the Chairman that any movement to be safe has to be rather slow, but there are many reasons to hope that the future will be better and brighter. Miss BILLINGTON congratulated Colonel Temple on his lecture, and was very much of opinion that it was not well to convey too strong an impression of the Indian woman's loneliness, for they must remember that by heredity she was prepared for her secluded life. If she was given education of course she would look for more liberty, but uneducated as she at present was she was quite happy in her life. When the Indian woman was educated she was capable of doing an immense deal. One subject she wished to touch upon the extremely low ratio of crime where the Indian woman was concerned. They had only two forms of crime, one the crime of infanticide, and theft, the latter they committed at the instigation of their men folk. If these two things were eliminated the ratio of crime would be very low. MR. COLDSTREAM said the lecture had afforded him great pleasure, as he had been thirty-three years in India and could bear testimony to the exceeding accuracy of Colonel Temple's 35 information. He would like to touch upon one or two points. One that marriage among Hindoos was not looked upon always as a purely commercial business, it was looked upon by them as a religious ceremony. Marriage was so solemn and important to them that the practice of divorce was unknown in the Hindu religion ; the marriage contract was indissoluble. He did not think the life of the Hindu woman was unhappy. They went out to a considerable extent among the higher classes perhaps not among the highest, but among the Brahmans and well-to-do commercial classes in covered carts and other con- veyances. The influence of the women in the society of India was enormous, and there was no doubt that the women were the real hindrance to the progress of the country ; they were the servitors of superstition and the subtle element progress has to fight in that country. The men became impressed with the / idea of progress ; they came home and their ideas were scoffed at and their good intentions so mocked at that they gave them up because their homes would not be tolerable if they carried them out. He felt that all interested in the welfare of Indian women should be extremely thankful and grateful for the Zenana Mission and for Lady Dufferin's Fund. MR. MARTIN WOOD expressed his appreciation of Colonel Temple's paper, but thought it should be somewhat qualified, as in places the shade was a little too dark. He cordially agreed with all that had been said regarding Lady Dufferin's Fund and the Zenana Associations, and wished also to mention the Anglo-Indian Association, which had been established entirely to bring together the two places. A vote of thanks having been carried unanimously COLONEL TEMPLE said : I feel rather gratified that no one has adversely criticised my remarks this evening, for as I have already said two or three times, it is impossible to speak to generalities on the subject without being liable to contradiction as to any particular fact in any particular place. What I have 36 tried to do is to bring before you a general view as near the truth as I can make it, and I am glad that my efforts have been appreciated. With regard to what the Chairman has said : it is quite true that the stumbling-block to social reform in India is, as I remarked in the lecture, that orthodoxy involves re- spectability, and it is because this is so that it is so very hard for native men or women to fall in with our ideas ; therefore those that do so should all the more have our sympathy. You need to know India to know what a very difficult thing it is for a native to change any custom. Miss Billington has remarked that one great fact is the rareness of crime among the women. I can tell you something about that, as I have some 12,000 life convicts in my charge all that there are in the country and out of this number there are only 800 women. That means that out of a population of some 300,000,000 there are only 800 life convict women. So it is quite true that the women of India seldom commit serious crimes. But one reason for this is that women who are secluded have not, of course, the same tempta- tion to commit crime as those that are free ; they never get outside their houses ! It has been said that I have drawn rather 1 was, of course, aware that it was possible that that view might be taken, but the fact I was anxious to bring before you is that the life is very narrow rather than unhappy. Mr. Coldstream has remarked that the women get about a good deal. This is true as regards all, except the upper class Brahman, the Mussalmans and the very rich. But on the other hand there is a celebrated book written by an English lady, married to a rich native at Lucknow about 1830, and she tells a story of a Muhammadan lady, well known in Lucknow and possessing great influence, who had never seen a bridge ! The English lady suggested thaTshlTshould go with her and see a bridge ; but the answer was that the husband would not like it, and so the orthodox wife died without ever doing so. 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