1 > y # l A IALOGUE BETWEEN THE Confession of Faith > ' IN THE • t. j « * Presbyterian Church, • # i V •* ’ *1^ • V AND A PREACHER IN THAT SOCIETY, WHO HOLDS THE DOCTRINE OF AN INDEFINITE, OR # Universal Atonement. t Who shall ascend into the Hill of the Lord f~He that hath clean hands , and a pure heart ; who hath not lift up his soul unto vanity , nor sworn.deceitfully . Psalm 24* Printed in 1814 * * 4#&i / A DIALOGUE, &c. * r Confession. It grieves me to the heart to hear you pervert my testimony and doctrine after you have with all the solemnity of an oath, professed at your Licensure and ordination that you received and adop¬ ted me as holding and teaching the truths of the Holy Scriptures. Preacher, I do not consider my profession at my Licensure and ordination, in the style of an oath* * ' Confession. You solemnly professed that you sincerely received and adopted me as containing the system of doctrine taught in the Holy Scriptures , and upon this ground you promised to study the peace, unity and purity of the Church . If you did not un¬ reservedly adopt me in your heart you, like Ananias and Sapphira, were guilty of lying to the Holy Ghost : there was an implicit* appeal to God in the solemn profession and promise which you made.—- You stand chargeable with something in the shape of perjury in a two-fold respect: 1st.—You professed a falsehood ; for in the act of adopting me, you had some exception in your mind, and mental reservation is not admissible in such so¬ lemn professions. 2d.—You violated promises which you made, to the Church, to God, and to the public. You have therefore by this false profession, and violation of promise, deceived the Church of God,, and in the court of Heaven, you stand guilty of lying to the Omniscient Spirit, and a violation of your min¬ isterial vows. * Preacher. But it wa3 understood that [ made some reserve when I was licensed and ordained. Clnfession. II you expressed yourself as ma¬ king a reserve or reserves, the Presbytery, indeed, partook of your sin, and are with you responsible for the consequences. The Presbvterv had no newer to give indulgence in such cases : it is as much bound by law as an individual : it is a mere organ of the So¬ ciety vested with power to license and ordain only according to given forms of government ; the con- * Doctor Doddridge in speaking of subscription to the Articles of Faith in the Church of England, which is of the same nature with the profession which Presbyterian preachers make at their ordination, introduces the follow¬ ing under the head of perjury : 44 Great care ought to be taken that we subscribe to nothing that we do not firmly believe. 55 But the Clergyman says, 4 * if we have reason to believe that it is not expressly declared that he who imposes subscription, does not intend that we should thereby declare our assent to those articles, but on- Jy that we should pay a compliment to his authority, and engage ourselves not G.penly to contradict them ; we may in this case subscribe what is most directly contrary to our belief; or that if, we declare our belief, in any book as (for instance) the bible, it is to be supposed, that we subscribe other articles only so far as they are con¬ sistent with that ; because we cannot imagine, that the law would require us to profess our belief of contrary pro¬ positions at the same time.’ 5 To this equivocation the Doctor gives a silensing stroke when he remarks; 44 But subscription upon these princi¬ ples seems a very dangerous attack upon sincerity and public virtue, especially in those designed for public cfRces . >y —Doddridges Course of Lecture, spiracy of Presbytery with you, in pretending to test the doctrine which you held, by me, is a flagrant act of imposition upon the Church and the public. The want of honesty and fidelity in the Presbytery, will neither justify you, nor yet atone for your crime. In pretending to act as a minister in the Church uoon my system you are a false witness, disturber of the unity and peace, and a corrupter of that purity which l have been studious to maintain among all the people that have tried me, and proven me, and found me worthy of their confidence. Preacher. But though I solemnly professed that I received and adopted you, as containing the sys¬ tem of doctrine taught in the Holy Scriptures, I am still free from the charge of falsehood in this profes¬ sion ; for an indefinite or general atonement which I teach and preach is not denied bv your system, though not contained in it. Confession This indeed is one of your evasions, and the cunning craftiness which it evinces, proves * Respecting subscription to religious articles, a cham¬ pion for truth in the Church of England says ; “ Edward was too sincere a Christian to s gn what he did not be¬ lieve ; a species of prevarication reserved for the more accomplished ingenuity of after-times ; and which bids fair to end in the externadon of all religion from amongst US. Tofilady , i. 53. Witness (says the same writer) the Assembly who drew up the 33 Articles, to which Mr. Wesley has, In¬ deed, over and over again, set his hand: but with the same simplicity and Godly sincerity (2. Cor. i. 12) which seem to have actuated Dr. Reid, Dr. Oswald, and Dr. Beattie, when they subscribed to the confession and cat¬ echism cf the Westminster Assembly.” Tofilady , V. 6, P. 1 10$ } r ou to be capable of all that insincerity and falsehood of which I charge you. If I should only assert in my various chapters that Christ died to redeem the elect, the people of God, or those who are effectually called and saved, and that in his obedience and sufferings, he wrought out a right¬ eousness and made satisfaction for them, would not a proper rule of construction induce candid minds to understand me as excluding from this redemption those who are not by me pointed out as sharers in it i So I have taught in my rules for the right understan¬ ding of the commandments—Quest. 99. 4. Where a promise is anntxed K the contrary is included . and where a threatening is annexed the contrary promise is annex¬ ed. Should any one take it into his head to say that man would die though he had not eaten the forbid¬ den fruit, and alledge that he did not contradict the Scripture, it would be just like the assertcrs of a gen¬ eral atonement saying they do not contradict the .cor.f-ssion. Upon the ground of system, my simple assertion that Christ died for the elect, would preclude the universality in the redemption or atonement for which you plead, had I not used any exclusive ex¬ pression ; but to shew that I am pointedlv opposed to your generalism and indefinition upon this subject, and that you have not so much as a place to set the sole of your foot upon in my confines, I will here state niv doctrines in my own words ; 44 Those of 'mankind that are predestinated unto life , God. before the foundation of the voorld was laid , hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory T —Cohf. chap. iii. y. ( The Scripture) who hath saved us and called us with an holy calling , not according to our works y but accor¬ ding to his own purpose and grace, which was given us, in Christ jcsus , before the xvorld began —2. Tim. 1 . 9 . Here I teach that those who were chosen in Christ are the same persons who were predestinated un¬ to life, they were contemplated as the objects for whom he made the atonement In his pur¬ pose, God selected them, and they are saved agree¬ ably to his purpose, and the favor of God secu¬ red to them by the redemption or the atonement, or the reconciliation which Christ had engaged to make r for them before the world had an existence. This election and redemption of human beings did not take place in consequence of the foresight of faith in the the creature ; but is indeed, the cause why many of the iace of Adam are made the subjects of faith. Again in chapter III. VI —My words are ; and effectually communicated , to all those for whom Christ has purchased it, who are , in time , by the Holy Ghost enabled to believe in Christ according to the GospelV At this plain dealing of the Old Catechism, the Preacher fetched a deep groan, and having assumed the sanctimonious air, which, in times of old, accom¬ panied the priests in fabricating holy frauds, replied, that he was truly hurt at such extreme rigidness, that he was sincere, and his own conscience before an in¬ visible judge, justified him in preaching the gospel after the manner of a universal redemption and partial application of its benefits—that he held a \ much as the confession did, God designed to save but the elect. Confession. You are hurt at our rigidness, and so are the votaries of Anti-Christ. Does a well di¬ rected conscience permit men to make false-profes- sions, and violate solemn promises, as you have done iu the case of your ministerial vows and subsequent L 13 3 conduct ? Remember when you appeal to the invisible Judge, he is a being that will not lie, and must of course abhor your duplicity. According to my friend the Catechism, cm the ninth commandment, u You are from the heart , sincerely, freely, clearly , and fully, to speak the truth , and only the truth , in all things whatsoever—and to keep lawful promises, and forbid¬ den to violate them By coupling together your general atonement, and my doctine of election, you give a perverse view of my system, and set the a tributes of Deity at variance with each other. Th* satisfaction rendered bv Christ (jousav) is universal ; of course justice is universally* satisfied ; but divine goodness and mercy refuse their aid to promote this universal good contemplated in redemption. Thus you give the appearance of stub¬ born and unreasonable dissenters to these amiable perfections of Jehovah, and the appearance of iniquity to to the conduct of God himself. Preacher. You quite misunderstand me; and take the subject in a wrong light. Confession. Are you sure that you understand yourself, and that your ideas are sufficiently luminious to give light to others ? Preacher. Christ died to repair the breach which sin had made in the divine law, and to glorify God. Confession. This indeed is one way of expres¬ sing the mediation of Christ somewhat friendly to gencralism, because it abstracts the subject, from the immediate idea of the salvation of sinners, and co¬ vers it with a cloud, that bewilders your own mind, and enables you to launch out into the wild fields of infin¬ itude, in which you take scope by the use of words* without knowledge. But sir, I wish you to define [ 14 ] your ideas, that yourself and others may understand what you say and mean. Preacher. I mean what I said. Confession Well, then I must endeavor to as¬ certain your meaning. You seem to compare the lav/ to a wall, in which sin has made a breach , and the act of redemption by our Savior, to that of a raa* . son or mechanic, who would build up the gape, or breach, and the wall is thereby made again complete. By this act of reparation the proprietor of the wall is glorified. v Here the effect of sin is taken in the general, and the sinful agents who committed sin are left out of sight, as though God had nothing to do with the sin- tier, nor yet the mediator in repairing tile breach. By such delusive forms of speech you shove in, your doctrines of a general atonement, and impose upon the ignorant, who get lost in the deception of your expression. Taking this view of your subject, you think yourself prepared to sav, that though there be a general satisfaction rendered to the law, that does not suppose that God designed to make an ap¬ plication of it to any but the elect. Such a dark delusion of words, is more suitable to the wily stratagems of the ministers of Satan, than to an honest minister of Jesus Christ, in addressing the * gospel of Salvation to poor sinners. Christ came in¬ to the world to save sinners—to seek and to save that which was lost—to purchase the Church of Gzcl with his own blood — to lay down his life for his sheep—for * the ground of your inference, in what nature he ap¬ peared : for you draw your conclusion from the i/ 2 - finite value of the atonement. Will you say that it is impossible for the son of God to make an atonement for the sin of angels, in any other nature but their own ? If y’ousay so, you limit his power, and like¬ wise the extent of the atonement, and your argument of course evaporates, and will not support your doc¬ trine, were it not confutable in any other way. This, indeed, is the most honorable retreat which men in your situation hold, and you establish a kind of strong hold here, when you are forced into the light of my system, in order to prevent a discovery of the repugnance of your scheme to my doctrine. But, sir, said the Old Confession, 1 have through blood and persecution maintained my testimony—* been attacked by formidable enemies, and wounded in the house of my friends—I have witnessed very insidious attempts on both sides of the Atlantic, to ^ pervert and corrupt my doctrine : it is, therefore, a yain thing, after so great experience, to think of im¬ posing upon me by a little artifice of words. If you mean that the atonement is of infinite value to those who are saved bv it : that is true. If vou J * J mean that the virtue of it infinitely secures the peace ?»nd favor of God, and the sanctification and happi- C w 1 ness of those, for whom Christ made it, that is like¬ wise admitted. But if you mean that the value of it infinitely extends to all sinners, without exception, and that in that extension, it serves as a covering from, divine wrath, why are they not all saved ? Here the fact stares you in the face. * If you say that the intrinsic value of the atonement does not cover sin, so as to secure justification with¬ out some qualities, or condition on the part of sinners, you contradict the notion of its infinite value : for in- ^finite value set in opposition to sin, as a saving or justifying power, must certainly supersede the ne* cessity of conditions on the part of the creature. In proportion as you extend the atonement where it is not productive of effects adequate to its nature, you subtract from its infinite value. In a word, according to your notion of redemption, it is ridiculous to to speak of the infinite value of the price laid down for the ransom of sinners, for you hold that it has not merited the graces of the Spirit by which the soul is fitted for glory, and that these gra¬ ces are sovereign gifts, not at all, to be considered as purchased for sinners in the redemption : if the ran¬ som does not possess the intrinsic virtue of procuring all grace for the glorification of those whom it res~ %pects, it cannot be infinite ; and if it does possess that intrinsic value, all whom it respects must be saved. —» Here you are reduced to a dil mma, and either sup¬ position must prove equally fatal to your scheme. ^ Preacher. Let me now illustrate my doctrine of a general redemption by a comparison, and you will see that it is quite reasonable. Suppose captives in a state of hard serviture, or prisoners in a dungeon, and that a friend laid down a price for their liberty which was saiisfactorv : hut when this satisfaction is C * [ 18 1 rend - red,.and their freedom announced to them, they refuse to accept of deliverance, being degraded and debased in their dispositions, so that they prefer sla¬ very to freedom, and to the privileges of the commuity to which they were formerly attached. Is not this the case of sinners when the gospel is announced to them, and the}’ refuse to accept of salvation and a 3avior ? Confession Truly, the conduct of those captives supposed, mav be considered as similar to that ofip sinners when the gospel is announced to them ; but let it be remembered, that this gospel of salvation has not been preached, or made known to all men, and that there are large portions of mankind who know no more about it than the beasts that perish. u Faith cometh by hearing , and hearing by the ward of God ; and how .shall they hear i without a preacherV Again, though the unreasonable conduct of sin¬ ners, in refusing the offers of the gospel, may bear some resemblance to that of the captives, the com¬ parison by rto means illustrates the redemption made by Jesus Christ, but rather ohs ures it : for it leaves out of view the complete provisions of the redemp¬ tion of sinners. Christ cures the diseases of sin in ibe mind——he has become wisdom and righteousness to his people, and makes them willing in the day of his pow’er : the power and virtue of redemption aro employed in delivering those sinners, for whom it was made, irom the folly of unbelief, and the domin • \ ion or sin ; hence, it is said, that he gave himself to redeem us, (i. e his people) from all iniquity, and to purity them to himseih When Christ takes away thn ston\ heart, and gives the heart of flesh, and writes his law in the minds of sinners, he cures the mad di. 3 - oncers oi the mind, and enables them to set a proper r is ] value upon their true interest. This is ah done by virtue of the blood of Christ, which cleanseth from all sin ; and it is in vain to talk of the redemption of sinners when these effects are not realized. Preacjier. But if the atonement be not made for all, without exception, the gospel offer cannot be •sincerely made to all. Confession. It is really curious, to hear a man like you, who holds the doctrine of predestination and election, make this objection : For when Isay that God did unchangeably ordain xvhatsoever comes to pass, —may not the same be said of all other things which are required, but are not decreed? The agency re¬ quired of man, and the ordination of God, are two distinct and disconnected objects. Therefore, tho > the atonement be only made for a particular number, that number is actually interested in it, according to the nature of second causes. These second causes are the means appointed in the word, to be used for exciting men to act faith upon Chi ist ; and all men have assurance given them, that when they act faith upon Christ, the savior died for them, and they stand justified in the account of God. In agreement with this view of the subject, I teach,'that by divine ordi¬ nation, however absolute in itself, . THE END.