I'M'^^^mi THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS LIBRARY BST5 V.Z8 LETTER TO Mr. COBBETT, IF " 1 IN REFUTATION OF HIS PROMULGATED OPINIONS, RESPECTING I THE CONSEQUENCE OF A CONTRACTION OF THE CURRENCY. BY CAPTAIN FORMAN, R. N. Price One Shilling. LONDON; LONGMAN, REES, ORME, BROWN, AND GREEN; AND WASON AND FOXWELL, SHEPTON-MALLET. MDCCCXXX. SHEPTON-MALLET, miNTED BY WASON & FOXWELL, HIGH STTREET. A LETTER, "A large influx of gold distributed among the people, in the way of trade, would certainly lower the price of gold ; and so far, as far as a gold coinage was concerned, would raise the price of all other com- modities ; but a mere increase of the circulating medium, whether in bank-paper, or in gold coinage struck at the mint, to ever so great an amount, could not increasa the means of the community to purchase goods in the market; because the total amount of the property, whether in goods or cash, of the whole community would be precisely the same as it was before ; and consequently neither the money, nor the barter price of goods could be aff'^cted by it." The present Commercial Distress traced up to its True Cause, Page 8. II. "Now, in order to prove still more clearly that a contracted cur- rency (though it may possibly be attended with considerable inconve- nience) cannot materially alter the value of property, let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that there was no currency whatever, and that even promissory notes and bills of exchange were prohibited by act of parliament. In this case, I ask, would not the barter price of all goods, including gold and silver, be precisely the same as it is at present ? and would not a flock of sheep, or a drove of oxen, purchase the same weight of gold and silver ? "Thirty years ago when I was in the West Indies, there was no standard currency in several of the Islands, but pieces of gold were weighted, at their market price, in barter for other goods. The incon- venience of this was hardly felt, and no one complained of it as an evil ; and if, in this extreme case, the same plan were to be adopted, the only inconvenience attending it would be the fluctuations in the value of gold bullion, which, instead of amounting to 75 or 50 per cent, could not exceed five per cent ; and which, in the course of a year's fluctu- ation, would hardly make the loss of any individual amount to more than one per cent. In one word, if the contraction of the currency had any tendency to reduce the price of all other goods, the bullion mer- chants would be eager to take advantage of it; and this, without the least incovenience, would answer all the purposes of an extended currency." Idem, Pages 10 & 11. III. "Not only since the passing of Mr. Peel's bill, but since the very time in which, according to Mr. Western, there was a money fa- mine in England, millions have been expended in the purchase of Greek bonds and joint-stock bubbles ; and the eagerness of the English, up to this moment, to purchase shares in every plausible speculation, abundantly proves, that whatever may have been the cause of our distress, it has certainly not been occasioned by any lack of capital. "Mr. Western may perhaps be disposed to make a distinction be- tween capital and money ; but if a man can dispose of his capital in the purchase of joint-stock speculations, he has the means, as far as his capital extends, of purchasing every thing that is on sale throughout the country ; and this very fact, which no one, I am sure, will venture to dispute, ought to convince every one, who is capable of reflection, that a contraction of the currency, though it may have occasioned trifling inconveniences, is not the cause of a fall of prices." Idem, Page 31. IV. "So much for the wisdom of Mr. Cobbett's object. Let us now see by vi'hat new mode of logic he jumps to his conclusion 'That the passing of Mr. Peel's bill, by obliging the Bank to contract its issues, has raised the market price of money.' In order to make his argument good for any thing, he must consider money, (whether in gold or promissory notes) not in the light of a circulating medium, 'the re- presentative of that part of the property of a kingdom which is in transitu and vo more,^ but as a marketable commodity, which, like com or any other marketable commodity, will be cheap or dear according as it is scarce or abundant; and, viewing it in this light, he fancies that he has made the wonderful discovery that a contraction of the currency, by rendering it less abundant, must necessarily have increased the value of that which remains, in the same proportion that its quantity has been diminished. Now, taking it in either point of view : as a circulating medium, it represents proportj^ in general ; as a marketable commodity, it represents, not property in g-eneral, but merely gold bullion, with its value stamped upon it, in order to save t,he trouble of assaying it every time that it passes from hand to hand ; and, in either case, it cannot aiipct the value of property, because the total amount of property in gener.il, or of gold in particular, is precisely the same as it was before. An extension of Bank promissory notes which are merely the represen- tatives of gold, cannot diminish the value of gold, because it does not ) increase its quantity; and it cannot, in anyway, increase the means of the bullion merchants, or of any other class of the community, to pur- chase goods at a dearer rate. Idem, Pages 33 & 34. V. When the trade of a country is in its infancy, capital is scarce ; and, at that time, it must be beneficial, both to the individual and the community, to trade with borrowed capital ; because this %vill tend, at once to reduce the price of goods in the market, and increase the profits of the manufacturer ; but the moment that capital has accumulated to such a degree that the average supply of goods in the market exceeds the demand for them, every additional quantity of capital, employed in the manufacture of these goods, will diminish the per centage of profit in the same degree ; because no one would be induced to purchase more goods than he wanted, unless their prices were proportionably reduced. This is the state in which we are at present. During the war, nearly the whole of our immense loans were laid out, by Govermnent, in the purchase of manufactured goods, a large portion of which were mu- nitions of war ; and consequently, at the close of the war, a demand for goods, to the amount, probably, of more than £50,000,000 annually, suddenly ceased. This, of course, must have thrown many people out of employ — not to mention the multitudes of discharged soldiers, seamen and dock-yard men ; and, to increase the evil, the manufacturers of goods, for war purposes, which were no longer wanted, must have in- vested their otherwise useless capitals in some of the remaining branches of trade, which, by multiplying the quantity of these goods and increas- ing the competition, at the same moment that the demand for them was diminished, must have assisted mainly in bringing about that^?-*^ and greatest depreciation in the value of property, which took place at least three years before the passing of Mr. Peel's bill. Ide7n, Pag-es 11 & 12. Sir, 1 . About the beginning of last February, I published a pam- phlet, which had for its title " I'he present Commercial Distress traced up to the True Cause, " in which, in mi/ own opinion, I clearly proved that a contraction of the currency can have had little, or nothing, to do with the fall of prices. 2. For reasons stated in the preface, one of the numbers of this pamphlet was sent to you : and, as it contained an attack ui»on your opinions, your passing it over in silence must have proceeded from a C(mviction, on your part, that my arguments were unanswerable. 3. Asa writer. Sir, in the Bath Journal, under the fictitious sig- nature of Candidas ; it was easy to say that, "this pamphlet is, without exception, the most flimscy, falacious, and silly production, that ever emanated from the press " ; but, as Mr. Cohbet, you could not have ventured to make such an assertion, in the Political Register, without producing evidence of the fact ; and the extracts from it, with which I have headed this letter, must be sufflicient to convince every impartial reader, that, whoever may have been the author of it, the assertion is a groundless calumny. 4. Had you been the advocate of truth, instead of the Champion ofa])artyyou would have noticed tlie pamphlet for the sake of truth ; and as the champion of a party, if you had not been afraid of the result, you wDuld still have noticed it, as you did the ivri tings of Mr. Western on the sitmp subject, in order to prove, in the face of the world, that your own opinions were irrefragable, 5. Like the satyr in the fable, it appears that you can blow hot and cold with the same breath ; for, if you will take the trouble to refer to your own Register, you will find that, in a great many instances, the principle reason which you assigned for noticing those ])amphlets, that were opposed to your opinions, was the worthlessness of their con- tents ; or, to borrow a phrase of your own, the opjtortunities they afford- ed you "of showinjii up the authors" ; and yet, in the present instance, where a direct attack has been made upon your favorite theory, you tamely submit to my animadversions, and would have the world believe that your refusal to accept my challenge does not proceed from any ap- prehension you have for the result, but because my arguments are unworthy of notice. 6. In general. Sir, you are ready enough to "run a muck" a- gainst all ])arties that will not succumb to your o])inions ; but here you decline a challenge that lias been jji'offered you ; and yet you persist in runninii: about the country promulgating the very doctrines which you are afraid to have discussed. You solaced yourself, no doubt, in the hope, that, because the critics, who, like all other men, can shiittheir un- derstandings against those arguments that are opposed to their profes- sed opinions, that, because the critics had taken no notice of my pamjjhlet, you would never be called u])on to reply to it ; and if you had not an- nounced your intention of favouring the City of Bath Avith a course of lectures on Political Economy, your expectation, in all probabilitj, would have been realized. 7. On seeing this announcement in one of the Bath papers, I very gladly embraced the opportunity of calling your attention to my pamphlet ; and you must allow, Sir,thatthe conduct which I pursued,on that occasion, the very reverse of yours was at once open and manly. I immediately, inmy oumnnme, addressed a letter to you, in the * Bath Journal, in which I called upon you to rejjly to my strictures upon * At first I did not suspect that my opponent Candidus was Cobbett in disguise ; and thcretbre, for fear, my challenge should escape your notice, I expressly ordered one of these papers to be sent to you. your former lectures; and informed you, that, though I should not be present at those lectures, I should read the report of them ; and make whatever comments upon them I should think necessary in this same paper. 8. Here then, Sir, you received a second challeng-e, from a person whom you affect to despise, and yet, rather than meet him in an arena where both parties would be sure to have fair ])lay, you volun- tarily forfeit all the golden prospects of emolument which you had expected to derive from this visit to tlie city of Bath. You announced your intention of visiting Bath, immediately after the funeral, and that promise has not yet been fulfilled, though no reason has been as- signed for the breach of it. You cannot surely entertain any doubts with respect to the pecuniary advantages which you would derive from the fulfilment of this promise ; for those very letters which have passed between me and yo« — I beg pardon, I should have said between me and Candidus, these very letters must have excited public curiosity in a great degree ; and you may depend upon it that even now, at least, if you could make out a good case in favour of your theory, that you will cram the theatre every night, and be rewarded both with money and applause ; for what honest man would not be delighted at the prosj)ect of being able conscientiously to relieve his own burdens, by throwing a large portion of them on the shoulders of his neighbour? As your friend Candidus has pronounced my pamphlet to be a flimsy, fallacious and silly production, you ought to have no fear upon that score ; and why then do you allow me to enjoy a fancied triumph at your expense? why do you suffer me to repeat that it is soleli/ from the fear of sub- jecting yourself to the lashes of my criticism, that you at once deprivr. yourself of a golden harvest, and disappoint the citizens of Bath of the mental treat which you had led them to expect? 9. Though, Sir, as Mr. Cobbett, the editor of the Political Re- gister, you have taken especial care to avoid entering into a contro- versy with me upon this subject, you were nevertheless aware that something in the shape of a justification, would be expected for this, on your part, most extraordinary forbearance; and, accordingly an anonymous scribbler, who is ashamed to give his name, has addressed several letters to the Editor of the Bath Journal, on your behalf, in the hope of inducing the public to believe that my j)roduction is altogether too trifling to merit any notice from so great a man as the author of Paper against Gold. This writer. Sir, who without one particle of candour, has assumed the signature of Candidus, and who, if you are not the person, must have been miraculousiy inspired with a perfect knowledge of your intentions; this champion, this advocate of a man, who is afraid — at least in his own name — to defend his own cause, has had the assurance to inform the public, through the medium of that paper, that I am not destined, by Mr. Cobbett, to have the honour of 8' occupying a niche in his Register ; hecavise, forsooth, as I had never read your highly vaunted Essay on 'Paper against Gold', I must be utterly incompetent to discuss so intricate and difficult a question. As if it were impossible to derive iniforniation, upon this important subject from any other source than your writings; or as if Adam Smith's 'Wealth of Nations,' in whicb a similar fall of prices, after a war, is more ration- ally ascribed to a different cause, as if his most meritorious work did not contain all, and more than all the information that is to be found in your book : with the exception of a history of events, that took place long after that work was published. 10. As Candidus however has laid so much stress upon the know- ledge I might have derived from a perusal of your book, I have taken the trouble of reading it all through ; and though, as a system of sophis- try, it undoubted!) does credit to the ingenuity of its author, I am at a loss to conceive for what purpose I was called upon by Candidus, to read it, except as it answered the purpose of affording you a decent pre- text for shuffling out of this discussion. As a record of facts, it may possibly be useful ; but I cannot discover a single argument in it, that has any relation to the consequences to be apprehended from a contrac- tion of the currency, but what is amply refuted in the extracts, from my pamphlet, with which ( have headed this pa])er. 11. This Sir, you, of course, will deny ; but if I have done you wrong you have the means of revenging yourself in your own power ; and if you can produce a single passage from that work, that will stand this test, I will forfeit all pretentions to the character of arational being. Your friend Candidus attempted to do this for you ; he culled out of it the best argument he could find for that purpose; and, had he been a schoolboy, his master, in all probability, would have decorated him with the dunce's cap, for advancing so silly a proposition. This, as I shall show presently, was a complete failure ; and now, I suppose, I shall be, told that it will be necessary for me to wade through all the pages of the Political Register, before I can be, in any way, competent to discuss this question with the great Mr. Cobbett ; and, after that if, it will answer the purpose of further evasion, I shall ])robably be sent to the Porcupine ; in which, by your own acknowledgement, you opposed the principles which you are now advocating, and supported, most stre- nously, those very measures of Government, which you are now re- probating. 12. In my pamphlet, without any sophistry, or paltry evasion, I fully and fairly canvassed all the arguments I could find, in Mr. Sad- ler's celebrated speech to the merchants and ship-owners of Whitby, in Mr. Western's two letters, to his constituents on the Currency, and in your first three lectures on the same subject, as they loere reported in the Morning Herald. In neither of these documents could I dis- cover the slightest allusion to a contraction of the currency prior to 9 tlie passing of Sir Robt. Peel's 'Cash payment bill ;'ancltlieretorejasI did not suspect either of you of entertaining such an idea, I very naturally charged you all with being guilty of the absurdity of making an effect precede a cause ; because whatever may have been your mental reser- vations, you all attributed the fall of prices to the passing of Peel's bill,* though tlie greatest depression in the prices of goods, or at least of farm produce, was prior, and not subsequent, to that event. The ob- servations, in my pamphlet as I expressly stated, were pointed at your lectures which I had seen, and not at your writings which I had not seen; and as, in those lectures, you attributed «/^ the distress to the operations of Peel's bill, and made no mention of any previous con- traction of the currency, it never once occured to me that you did not mean to be Zi7(?r«//y understood. On tliis point, however, it seems I was mistaken ; and Candidus (after producing a number of extracts, from your writings, in order to prove that, before the passing of that bill, you had attributedthe distress of the times, to a previous contraction of the currency,) has made the following remarks: "The laws from 1814 to 1819 inclusive, were of ru erperimetital nature ; they were severaltimes changed" (Qneri/) "and high and low })rices were the result, as thepafjer money was contracted or extended, and the markets, whether for raw j)roduce or manufacture, rose and fell tolt/i the precision nf a p'Jiid Ilium ; — but when Peel's bill passed, which was intended to be a permanent eiuictment, and embraced all the evils of the antecedent measures, it became unnecessary to go furtner back", 13. After what has been stated by Candidus on this subject, and after having rea.d yoiiv introdnctoi-i/ Letteron Paper against Gold, which was dated in 1817, I can no longerentertain any doubt that, prior to Peel's bill, you did actually attribute a ])receding fall of prices to a preceding contraction ; but you have only yourself to blame for ray mistake. Your lectures on the currency ou/ memory deceives me, allowed the Hank tiro t/ears to prepare for the event before it could be compelled to pay in gold ; which makes it almost evident, that there had been no material contrac- 11 tioii of the currency uj) to tlr.it period ; for why should the Bank re- quire two years to jjrepare for that event, if it had already commenced ])aying-iu gold? 16. Up to the year 1819, the liank was not called upon to pay in gold, and, appareHtli/, had no wish to do it ; for the dividends were still paid in paper, the small notes ivcre not called in, and the gold sovereigns, / believe, did not appear till after the end of that year. The amount of Bank issues might possihly have been in some mea- sure diminished prior to the passing of Peels bill ; but it does not ne- cessarily follow, from thence, that X\\i% partial contraction i)roceeded from any desire, on the part of the Bank Directors, to make experi- ments for the sake of ascertaining what effect they would have upon price-. For reasons which are stated in the fifth extract at the head of this letter, the Bank, at the return of peace, must necessarily have become less liberal of its credit, even if there had been no immediate prospect of a return to cash payments, and this, of course, must have reduced the amount of its issues ; but if the profits of trade, and the securities depi'nding thereon, had not previnns'i/ fallen off, it is not reasonable to sup])ose that the Hank would have, wilfully deprived itself of a very considerable profit by reducing its loans, and thereby coiuracting its issues, before it was compelled to do so by act of Parliament ; and this reasonable presumption unless it can be contradicted, affords suffici- ent grounds to justify niN conclusion that the contraction, prior to the j>(ssin(/or(j» the exchange." This passage, taken literally, would lead a man of plain understanding to suppose that the ob- ject, in narrowingthe discounts, must have been to bring downt\\G price ofgold, andnotto r«jse the value of pai)er. You shall have it however which way you will ; for all that 1 want is to get at the precise meaning of your words. If you mean to be understood that the value of Gold was brought down to the level of Bank paper, you forsake your former opinion, and admit, after all, that there has been no depreciation of Bank paper; and if you maintain that the paper, by this contraction, has ♦ Candidus, as appears by a quotation from his last Letter, observed that prior to the passing of Peel's bill, the Bank occasionally contracted and extended its issues, for the sake of experiment, and that the rise and fall of prices followed these experiments "with the precision ofa pendulum". Perhaps, Sir, you will be so good as pears that the Bank had raised the value of its paper money, by contracting its amount ; and yet, after all, the ob- ject of the Bank must have been completely defeated ; for, in that case it could only have purchased gold, with paper, by again extending its issues ; and then the value of the paper falls as low as it was before. 43. If the price of gold had really remained stationary, ever since the return of peace, and the value of the paper money had been raised to the level of gold by contracting the amount of it, the Bank could only have purchased the gold bullion, that might have been required for the payment of its notes, by bartering real, or substantial property, in ex- change for it ; and this might have been done just as well, if there had been no contraction whatever ; so that, in fact, the Bank could have had no motive for narrowing its discounts, but what originated in the necessity of being less liberal of its credit. 44. If the value of the paper money had been raised by a con- traction of Bank issues, the Bank could neither have purchased gold with paper, nor have derived any benefit from the transaction ; and if it was simply &fall in the price of gold, after the ws.r, that restored the equality, the preceding rise in the price of fl-r>/(/, during the war, must have been occasioned by a very large demand for it in the mar- kets, and not by an extension of paper currency. 45. If, as you, and the Bullion Committee, asserted, the Bank of England pajjer, after the passing of the Restriction bill in 1/97, was depreciated by a large extension of issues, this paper could only have been restored to its former value, by reducing the amount of issues as low as it was before ; and this, as you well knotv, has never yet been done. 46. If an extension of the currency (as you affirm) was the cause of the evil, it could only have been remedied by a contraction? to an equal amount; and therefore when the equilihiium was restored, it was your business to prorethat a contraction, to this amount, had really taken place; hut instead of doing this, you content yourself with merely saying that the Bank must have narrowed its discounts, in 24 order to bring- clown the exchanges. Why Sir, the grand ohject, in your boasted Kssay, is to prove that the Bank (in spile of itself) was under an absolute necessity, of extending its issues, with the increase of the national debt ; and, as the debt has doubled itself since 1797) the mere narrowing of the discounts, Avithnut a reduction of the debt, could not, even upon your otvn showing, have produced such an ef- fect. By a statement of your own,* it appears that the nominal value of Bank notes in circulation in 1798 amounted to 3613,334,752. and in 1809 to 5621,249,980. and, if we allow, only <3e3,000,000, by the same rule of progression, for the remainder of the tvar, this narrowing of the Bank discounts — a very modest term by the by, this narrowing of the discounts, in nnlif one year, must have amounted to no less a sum thar. ^12,000,000 ! which is very far beyond what can possibly be conceded, upon no other authority than yoiir bare assertion. 47. To proceed with the argument. It has already been shown that this depreciation of paper money fif it must be so called) was greatest at that precise period of the war, when (in consequence of the Berlin decrees, and the immense force Avhich w^e had to maintain in the Peninsula) the demand for gold in the foreign market?, must havebeenmuch greater than was ever known before ; and that it ceased exist, (at the end of the Avar) as soon as those two extraordinary de- mands for gold were withdrawn from the market. From 1797 to 1802 f (and perhaps to \ 805) the paper money Avas not sensibly de- preciated ; though as is evident, by the documents furnished above, and your own calculations, founded upon the progressive increase of the national debt, the amount of Bank paper issues must have been increased more than twenty five per cent ; and this one fact § a- bundantly /)roy(?s that an extension of paper issues does not necessarily produce a depreciation in the value of paper. In one period of the war, an extension of the currency, to the amount of more than twenty - five per cent, does not produce a sensible rise in the price of gold. In another similar period, and with very nearly the same progressive exten- sion of currency, the price of gold rises from £4 to £4 \4s. per ounce, and the Bullion Committee, J after a years deliberation, Avill *Paper£^inst Gold. page. 262. f At this period, the price of gold Avas only £4 per ounce, and the A'alue of the paper money, in 1798, could not have been /e** than £3. 17*. 6f/. per ounce. § As Mr. Baring, Avhose opinion, on questions of this nature, is very much looked up to, was a member of the Bullion Committee that made this extraordinary report, I recommend this fact to his especial consideration. J In all probability, it Avould have been impossible for this country to have continued the war in the Peninsula, if the Bank at that time, had been obliged to pay in cash; and as, I believe, most of the leading members of the Bullion Committee wore in the opposition, it might possibly have been the object of that Committee to /brce the Go- vernment to make peace with Buonaparte. 25 have it, that it was not an extraordinary demand for gold buHion, in consequence of the Berlin decrees, that produced a rise in the price of gfold, but an extension of Bank issues that produced a depreciation of paper; though it is upon record, that a similar extension of Bank is- sues, to an almost equal amount, but a few years before, did not pi- o- dnce the least depreciation in the value of i\ie, paper money! 48. Sir, this is not a question tliat depends simply upon mere argumeHt. It is a question of facts ; and might be determined in one moment, if any of those g-entlemen, in the House of Commons, M'Ao*« business it really is, could be prevailed upon to move for the necessary documents. It appears, by your book, that, in 1798, when prices were much higher than they are at present, the nominal valjie of the Bank of England notes in circulation amounted to ^613,334,752 ; and if a contraction of the currency was really the cause of the fall in prices, as you and your disciples maintain, it follows, of course, that the total amount of the Bank of England issues (inchidivg gold iov- ereignsj at any one period since the conclusion of the war, must have been as far short of the above sum, as the average of prices was below what it was in 1798. 49. The onus of proving this fact lies with you, and your party, and not with me. If you can make it appear that the total amount of the Bank of England issues (including, of course, the gold sovereigns) which are now in circulation, is as much below the sum of a6 13, 334, 752 as the average of prices is below what it was in 1798, you will have a plausible foundation upon which to rest your theory; but if you can- not make this evident,* and I am very sure you cannot, I must take the liberty of observing, that all those gentlemen (both in and out of ])arliament) who prefer sound sense to empty declamation, and who ciumot condescend to sacrifice truth, for the s-ake of vilifying the mea- sures of Government ; in a word, every gentleman of upright and honourable principles, whatever may be his party feelings, must see the necessity of for>aking your school, and going back to our old master Adam Smith; whose opinions, instead of being borne up, as yours are, by the wild fancies of a flighty imagination, were firmly grounded in the plain and sober dictates of common sense. 50. I have nothing further to add respecting the currency ques- ti!)n ; but, bsiore I conclude this letter, I shall take the liberty of making: a few observations, upon your equitable adjustment scheme ; in order that the ])ublic may see what they would really gaiu, by a * All thai I waut is to set at the truth •, and if there should be any difficulty of as- certainiurr the number of pold sovereisrns iu circulation, you are at liberty to select any priod prior to the p^Psing: of Peel's bill, when there were no sovereigns in existence; and Im-ther, if it will ^uit your purpose better, you may, if you please, include all the country bank nates in circulation at these two pencils, het us have the truth the whole truth, and nothing but the truth ; and 1 am not afi-aid of the issue. 26 bona fide transaction of this nature, if they could he prevailed upon, by you, and your partisans, to insist upon having itputinto execution. 51* The two following passages are quoted verbatim, from page 324 of your Essay on Paper against Gold. "I have, I think, shown you very clearly, that to cause the Bank to pay again in gold is impossible ; and that, let what will happen, let what will take place as to commerce, or as to war, the Bank Paper will never regain any part of what it has lost, as long as the I^ational Debt shall exist ; or, rather as long as the dividends shall be paid upon the interest of that debt". "Now, if I have shown this to your satisfaction, the question, and the only question that remains to be discussed, is what would be the * CONSEQUENCES of a cessation in the payment of the dividends; that is to say, the total destruction of the National debt ; the total breaking up of the Funds and the Bank Note System." 52. The above quotation is quite sufficient to display the real object of the writer in its true colours. Your endeavour was, evi- dently, to impress your readers, with the belief, that in consequence of the great increase of the national debt, the pros|)erity of the king- dom was rapidly declining, and that nothing, short of its absolute an- nihilation, could restore us to our former healthful condition. Your first object was to point out the necessity of getting rid of the debt, by some means or another ; and then you ask what would be the conse- quence, or, in other words, what inconvenience would be experienced by the whole community, with the exception of the fundholders, if this debt were to be wiped oat with a sponge ? You do not indeed, in express words, recommend this public robbery, this breach of national honour, but you, at least, throw out the hint; you ask what would be the consequence of such a measure ; and the eflfect which the question was intended to produce can hardly be mistaken. 53. But whatever may have been your motive, the question was put, and you shall not go without an answer. You ask what incon- venience the j)ublic would sustain by a transaction, which in private life, would be deemed most infamous? and the answer may be summed up in two words — National Disgrace. We should lose all that could render our existence valuable, either as a nation, or as individuals; for who could endure life, when coupled with a tarnished reputation? 54. Upon the security of repeated acts of parliament, and, per- haps, in some measure influenced by your writings (ivhen yon edited the Porcupine, and did all in your power to make the irar popular, J the fundholders occasionally accommodated the public, by lending a portion of their capitals to the Government (in order to enable the country to carry on the war with greater vigour) on the understanding *■ The finphatic words are marked precisely after the text. 27 that they were ty receive so much per cent, interest on their loans, until the money Avas repaid. Up to the passing of Peel's bill, the dividends were paid with the same coin in which the loans (subsequent to 17^7J had been contracted, and therefore, up to that period you could not varnish over the iniquity of your design by the hypocritical pretence of making an equitable adjustment ; but immediately after that bill was passed, you took pains to impress the public mind with the belief that the dividends were paid iii a coin of very superior value to that in which the loans had been contracted ; and, therefore, jou urged, it would be but equitable to reduce the amount of the dividends in the same proportion as their value has been increased; which, ac- cording to your statement, though I cannot comprehend hoiv you make it out, would be to blot out, at least three-fourths of the whole amount. Now, with respect to the equity of your scheme, it must have beeu foreseen, at the time that the loans were contracted, that prices would have fallen at the end of the war; because they have invariably done so, at the end of every war, from time immemorial, even when the cur- rency/ was not contracted ; and this fact was moreover expressly pointed out, by Adam Smith, in his 'Wealth of Nations'; but whether tliis ne- cessary consequence was foreseen, or whether it was not, the contract was equally binding, and can only be broken with the consent of buth parties. 55. Putting this consideration, however, out of the question, your equitable adjustment scheme requires that you should not merely assert but prove tl-at the currency, since the return of peace, has been contracted in as great a degree as the prices have fallen ; and then when you have made this appear, //' j/ou mean to be really equitable, you will have, at least, as much to pay to the subscribers of that part of the debt that was contracted previous to the end of the jear 1797» as you will have to receive from those who have lent money to Govern- ment since that period; so that, after all, the public can derive no benefit whatever from your equitable adjustment scheme. 56. Equitable adjustment, as I understand the phrase, signifies a determination to do justice to both parties. If the public lias a right, in equity, to claim compensation, from one portion of the fuiidholders for losses, jvhich it has sustained, in consequence of a contraction of the currency, another portion of the fundholders has, at least, an equal right to claim compensation, from the public, for losses, which they have sustained, by an extension of the currency and that too in a much greater degree: and, in that case, if justice h^ done to both par- ties, the advantage will not be on the side of the public. 57. It appears, by your own book, that the debt, in 1797, a- mounted to 413 millions> more than 350 milHoji: of which remain to 28 this day, unredecmefl ; and, up to this moment, unless you choose to contradict ynnr own arguments, and falsify your otvn predlctwns, you must admit that the dividends upon this sum have all alonof been paid in a depreciated currency. In fnct, tlie main scope of the arguments in YOur es?!ay is to induce your readers to believe that the currency has neccHHarily trone on extending with the increase of the national debt, and that the value of the currency has been depreciated in the 5ame proportion that it has been extended. The narrowing of the discounts, n-Uhmtt a redvctUm (f the debt, was an after-thought of yonrs, invented, most likely, for the sole purpose of getting out of a dilemma; but it will not answer your jmrpose at this turn; because prior to 1707, the Bank paid in gold as Avell as it does now^ and the Bank, at this moment, discounts quite as many bills as it did then. As nearly as possible the circumstances of the two periods, with the exception of the extension of the currency, are precisely the same, and whether we refer to the statement that was made in Parliament, by the Duke of Wellington, and substantially corroborated by Mr. Goulbourne, or whether Ave apply for information to your book, the results, respecting the amount of the currency, do not materially differ. The Duke of Wellington states the amount of the currency, at this moment in circulation, to be about* double what it was in 1797; and, according to ymir arguments, as the debt has abmit doubled itself since then, the amount of the currency, and, with it, the depreciation of its value, must have increased in the same proportion. Unless you can produce some better authority than Sir Francis Rurdett's violent philippick f against the Duke of Wellington, in contradiction of his * I cannot say prcciec?!y what was the amount of the Duke's statement; but, at all events, it oquallod t^e' total amount of the currency immediately before the Cash payment bill passed. t Sir Francis Burdett-, as he is reported to have spoken, admitted that the Duke mipht have been rig^lit with respect to me amount o( gold sovereic^us that wjis issued from the mint ; hut he coutenaed that a larj^e portioQ of this specie must have been carried out of the country, or applied to other purposes, as fast as it was issued. As Sir Francis produced no facts iu t-upport of his opinion, it is fair to conclude that he had none to produce; an^ it his artiumeuts rested solely upon what he conceived to be reasouame pioljahilities, a little caul reflection mif^ht have suggested to him that, ULoder the circanistanccs, it is ouly ou the supposition of a super abundance of cur- ppncv, that we c;i,i reasonably account for the disappearance of any part of it; So that Sir Frauds must have lost sight ofhis premises, when he came to his conclusion. 11'^ insisted thit the great fall of prices was solely occasioned by a co7i/rfl'c<»07* of tlie curreucv; and -et imagined that the people could be so foolish as to withdraw the Pij'iA sovereigns from circulation^ when, by his own account, it must have been irrrDoesible to dispose of them, in any other way, to so much advantage! Unfortu- iwtely when gentlemen lose thefr tempers in argument, they are almost sure to run in»0 absurdities. Sir Francis Burdett, in one ofhis newspaper letters, complained loudly of having b«en injured, in his estate, by the passing of the Cash pajment bill fincluding,! 29 Grace's gtatement, 1 do not see in what way it can fulrlif be disputed : for it was, at least, substantially corroborated by Mr. Goulbourue. in his reply to Sir Francis Burdett, and it tallies very nearly 'ffith the only conclusion which can reasonably be deduced from your own arg-ii- ments ; but, at all events, the onus of proving the fact, as I have be- fore observed, lies with you, and not with me. If you can prove, by authenticated documents, that the contraction of the currency, since the return of peace, has been equal in degree to the fall of prices, yon will have the infinite satisfaction of jjiving the death blow to your own arguments; and, if you cannot do this, I have vo?//* ou-n authority for stating, that, upon your equitable adjustu.ent scheme, if equal Justice leere to be done on both sides, the public without materinl/y diminishing the subsequent part of the debt, would have nearly double interest (be- sides a very large arrearj to \){iy on that part of the debt, that was contracted prior to the year 1798. 58. It cannot be necessary to pursue this argument any further; but before I conclude, I must take the liberty of suggesting — and the hint, ivill not altogether be throicn away upon Mr. Wedern and Mr. Sadler — that if, in the course of your future lectures, or on any other occasion, you should again discuss this question, without noticing what I have written uptm the subject, it may possibly lead to a suspicion that your outward professions do not quite coincide with your iDv>:^Hrd convictions. I am. Sir Pilton Y'our obedient vServant, October 26th. 1830. WALTER FORM.AN. P. S. For the ston^ reason that luas stated in the preface to my pre- ceding pamphlet, a copy i>f this letter shall be salt to you, and to every other person whose name is mentioned in it. suppose the antecedent measures J but unless he can show that he has reduced his rents in an equal proportion with the average fall of prices, it must be evident tha'. his income (like those of many other coraplafiiauts) though nominally less, is really greater than it was during- the war; and, if that should be the case, Sir Francis, and not Sir Robert Peel, is one of those of whom the farmers have most reason to complain. An expensive war is somethiua: like a la\\ suit, in which, whoever succeeds, botL farties sufter loss. If the fact could be ascertained, I have no doubt that the average. rent of all the laud in the kingdom, would purchase more sroods at this moment, in spite of taxes and poor rates, than it would have done in 1792; and, if .so, our ffreat landed proprietors ouo-ht to tliink themselves very fortunate, on coming out ofa twenty year's expensive and bloody war, to find themselves in as good a condition as they were when they entered it. ff'ason Sf Foxwell Printers, Shepton-Mallet. '>;>■,■))/*' fm rmmimamimtsaxi TIJU^^SsTTYOFILLINOIS-UBBANA 3 0112 062406894