PACKET STATION COMMITTEE, APPOINTED AT A MEETING HELD ON THE 21st AUGUST, 1851, AT THE MANSION HOUSE, DUBLIN, THE RIGHT 1 HON. THE LORD MAYOR IN THE CHAIR. DUBLIN: JAMES MCGLASHAN, 50, UPPER SACKVILLE-STREET. LONDON: JAMES RIDGWAY, PICCADILLY, AND EFFINGHAM WILSON, ROYAL EXCHANGE. MDCCCLII. REPO R T OF THE TRANSATLANTIC PACKET STATION COMMITTEE. 'KQ lov R E P 0 R T OF THE TRANSATLANTIC PACKET STATION COMMITTEE, APPOINTED AT A MEETING HELD ON THE 21ST AUGUST, 1851, AT THE MANSION HOUSE, DUBLIN, THE RIGHT HON. THE LORD MAYOR IN THE CHAIR. DUBLIN: JAMES MOGLASHAN, 50 UPPER SACKVILLE-STREET. LONDON: JAMES RIDGWAY, PICCADILLY, AND EFFINGHAM WILSON, ROYAL EXCHANGE. MDCOCLir. PRINTED BY JOHN FALCONER, 32 , MARLBOROUGH-STREET, DUBLIN. Cls(X *Ajj i Zsty 0(k/v\j 3^^ TABLE OF CONTENTS. Page REPORT, .7 Appendix A., ......... 21 Communication, addressed by Lord Monteagle to the Right Hon. the Lord Mayor, on the Packet Station Question, 23 A Second Communication from Lord Monteagle, on the same subject, .... .... 30 Appendix B., ......... 33 Report on the Transatlantic Packet Station Question, prepared by Mr. Whiteside, with Appendix, ... 37 REPORT. The Transatlantic Packet Station Committee, in now presenting their Report, desire, in the first instance, to recall to the recollection of the public the circumstances which led to their appointment. A public meeting having been convened by the Right Hon. the Lord Mayor to consider wh&t course should be adopted to insure to Ireland the important advan¬ tages of a direct steam communication with America, it appeared desirable to many influential persons anxious to forward so important an object, but entertaining different views as to the most eligible mode of proceed¬ ing, that, as a preliminary to the public assembly, they should endeavour, at a private conference, to remove the difficulties in the way of cordial co-operation. These difficulties mainly arose from differences of opinion as to the particular Port which would be best suited for a Transatlantic Packet Station. To obviate this source of disunion, it was proposed that a Com¬ mittee of Gentlemen not connected with any of the special interests concerned, should be requested to B 8 undertake the task of promoting a Joint Stock Company to carry out the great national object in view, but that the selection of the Port should be left for the future Company to be established, to decide on their own judgment. Accordingly the names of your Committee were unanimously agreed on, in the majority of instances without the previous assent of the persons so proposed, and the following Resolutions were recommended to, and adopted by the public meeting, after it had been distinctly stated by the Lord Mayor, from the chair, that the Committee should not have authority to decide which should be the Port, but that that question should be reserved for the Directors to be elected by the Company, which might be formed:— At a Meeting held at the Mansion House, Dublin, on Thursday, the 21st day of August, 1851, to consider what course should be adopted to ensure to Ireland the important advantages of a direct Steam Communication with America; The Right Hon. the Lokd Mayor in the Chair; The following Resolutions were unanimously agreed to: — Proposed by Mr. Edward Grogan, M. P.; seconded by Mr. Napier, Q.C., M. P.: Resolved—“ That it is important to the interests of the United Kingdom that the shortest and speediest communication with America should be established.” Proposed by Mr. John Ennis, Cha'rman of the Midland Great Western Railway Company of Ireland; seconded by Sir Edward M‘Donnel, Chairman of the Great Southern and Western Railway Company of Ireland: 9 Resolved—“ That the Geographical position of Ireland, and the capabilities of her Harbours, demonstrate that the point of communication on the part of the United Kingdom should he an Irish Port.” Proposed by Colonel La Touche, D. L.; seconded by Mr. W. Goold, M.P.: Resolved—“ That it behoves the Irish people to adopt some practical means to secure the advantages which must naturally result to every interest in this country from the establishment of a Transatlantic Packet Station on our Coast.” Proposed by Mr. St. George, M. P.; seconded by the Lord Mayor Elect: Resolved—“ That, with these convictions, it is the opinion of this Meeting that a Joint-Stock Company should be at once promoted, with a Capital of £500,000, to carry into effect this desirable object.” Proposed by Mr. James Power, D.L.; seconded by Mr. John Sweetman : Resolved—“ That the following Gentlemen be requested to act as a Provisional Committee, to institute the necessary measures for the promotion of the proposed Company, and that they be instructed to adopt the largest basis consistent with its security and efficiency, in order to combine the sympathy and co-operation of every class and interest in Ireland:— The Lord Mayor. The Lord Mayor Elect. Colonel La Touche, D.L. Mr. Barlow, Governor of the Bank of Ireland. Mr. Moylan, Governor of the Hibernian Bank. Mr. G. A. Hamilton, M.P. Mr. Jonathan Pirn. Mr. Napier, Q.C., M.P. Mr. Whiteside, Q.C., M.P. Mr. Patrick Sweetman. Mr. F. Codd, Hon. Sec. Chamber of Commerce, Dublin.” 10 Your Committee having entered upon the important trust confided to them, learned with regret that three of their most intelligent and influential members, Mr. George A. Hamilton, M.P., Mr. John Barlow, and Mr. Patrick Sweetman, would not be enabled to take a part in their deliberations. At the instance of Mr. Sweetman, his brother, Mr. John Sweetman, was substituted for him. At an early stage of their proceedings your Committee encountered a serious difficulty;—after a most careful and anxious inquiry they became convinced that, on the one hand, the public generally were not prepared to adventure their property in the project unless the Port was previously named; while, on the other, large and influential sections of the country were strongly impressed with the advantages of special localities, and could not be expected to become supporters of an undertaking unconnected with the particular Port which they considered best adapted for the purpose. This state of public feeling will excite but little surprise, when the obvious effects of local influences are considered in connexion with the facts, that several Ports in Ireland might be safely selected for the projected Station:—that no practical movement had been made on the part of the country to decide the question of preference, by testing the relative advan¬ tages of these Ports, and that the only authority which had ventured to pronounce an opinion on the subject, 11 viz., The Packet Station Commissioners, was one which did not possess the confidence of the country. Your Committee were restrained from attempting to direct the public mind in this particular, not only by the limited authority under which they acted, but by their own convictions of their incapacity for performing such a duty. The question was not whether any particular Port would be suitable for general commu¬ nication and traffic between this country and America, but which Port of Ireland would present most advan¬ tages and fewest disadvantages for the Postal and Passenger Communication between this Empire and the New World, and which would present them so incontestably that public opinion, as yet imperfectly informed on this question, and therefore undecided, would become enlightened, concentrated, and irre¬ sistible. Upon the general question, whether the Postal and Packet Service of this Empire would be promoted by a Transatlantic Packet Station on the coast of Ireland, your Committee hold, as had been affirmed by the Resolution at the public meeting, that, fairly and impartially considered, it does not admit of reasonable doubt. The real question, as just stated, your Committee conceive, can best be decided by actual experiments, conducted under well considered arrangements, and by experienced and trustworthy agents. The Committee apprehend, therefore, that to 12 originate a Share List at present, for the purpose proposed by the Public Meeting without naming a Port, would not he a prudent course to adopt; and even if empowered to name a Port, it might only- secure a local and not a national support for that pur¬ pose in the present undecided state of public opinion. The Committee, moreover, upon a calm and anxious consideration of the general subject, are impressed with the conviction that, although at no distant period this great project will prove not only a source of national advantage, but of commercial profit, yet, under exist¬ ing circumstances, they could not, consistently with their duty, recommend it as likely to prove immediately remunerative to the proprietors. It is not to be overlooked that a powerful Company already exists, subsidized by the State for the carriage of the Mails to America, and sustained by very large and most influential portions of the Empire. Messrs. Cunard and Co. receive from the Imperial Treasury £145,000 per annum for this service, under a contract which has yet many years to run; they have a large and well appointed fleet of Steamers prepared to sail from any port the Government may direct, they enjoy all the advantages of long experience, complete arrange¬ ments, and established connexion, and they must naturally be influenced by the ordinary instincts of trade to preserve a lucrative monopoly. It appears to your Committee, that to rush into com¬ petition, nay, into necessary conflict with a Company 13 so influenced and so sustained, would he hazardous and unwise, and that the course which sound discretion and a wise regard to the ultimate success of the cause would suggest, is one which would concentrate Irish energy, convince English judgment, and lead the public mind to general co-operation for an imperial purpose. To attain this object your Committee are of opinion that a Steamer of the largest size should be con¬ structed, with special reference to postal and passenger communication, and therefore to speed, combining every improvement which modern science and skill could supply. It has been stated by persons most competent to speak authoritatively on the subject, that such a vessel could attain the speed of 16 miles an hour. This vessel should be employed for a sufficient period, in a series of voyages between those ports of Ireland and America which present the most obvious advan¬ tages for packet communication. The result of these experiments would convert theory into fact; and, unless existing evidence be utterly fabu¬ lous, it would demonstrate, beyond mistake or cavil, that the point of communication between this Empire and the New World, which interest and convenience demand, is that which geographical position and the hand of nature indicate—a port on the western coast of Ireland—and it would define that port so distinctly as to subdue every local prejudice or local interest. These great results once achieved, and the judgment of the Empire convinced, that intelligence could be 14 ordinarily conveyed to England 24 hours quicker than under existing arrangements, and with a still further despatch by the operation of the Electric Telegraph, no less important consideration, no interest of indi¬ viduals or of Companies, would be suffered by the Government, or by the Legislature, to interfere with the consummation of this project;—a project, be it remembered, which concerns not merely the commer¬ cial and manufacturing enterprise of these countries, but the interests of the human race, for your Committee respectfully submit, that this would be only one link in the chain with which science and enterprise are now binding nations by easy intercourse, softening hostilities, removing jealousies, and promoting the free progress of civilization, religion, and peace. The question then arises—how should such an ex¬ periment be made ? Your Committee unhesitatingly answer'—by the Nation. An experiment pregnant with such vast results should be tried with the aid of the national resources, and with all the assistance and appli¬ ances which they could command—it should not be abandoned to private enterprise, especially to private enterprise, cramped and fettered by an opposition, subsidized by the State, and interested in defeating the project by every available means. Your Committee would earnestly impress this view of the subject on the serious attention of every man , whose position entitles his opinion to in - 15 But Ireland has special interests in the success of this great undertaking; long the victim of misrule— her people divided—her resources neglected—her trade and manufactures discouraged, she is but just begin¬ ning to feel the influence of impartial government, and to acknowledge the duty of self-reliance; to her every project which can develop her capabilities, or stimulate her hardy and intelligent people in the race of improvement is of peculiar interest; and it is difficult to conceive one more important than the establishment of a Transatlantic Packet Station on her coast. She ought not to wait till Government can be moved; it would become her to originate the practical solution of this great question herself. A vessel such as has been described can be constructed for £120,000. Your Committee would suggest, that a Company should be at once formed for this purpose, under the auspices of a Directory interested in carrying out the measure with a capital of £150,000,—and they are persuaded, that if this capital were judiciously and economically em¬ ployed, no portion of it being invested in buildings or works of any kind, no considerable loss could be sus¬ tained. They would hope that amongst the great Companies so deeply interested in the success of this undertaking—amongst the landed proprietors and com¬ mercial men so intimately concerned in the prosperity of the country—and amongst the public generally who have felt and spoken so energetically on the subject, it 16 would not be difficult to raise that necessary sum, even without the certainty of immediate remuneration. It may he argued that the course suggested would occasion delay; the Committee venture to reply, that delay should he preferred to defeat—that the experi¬ ment, as they conceive, should only he tried hy a vessel of the superior power and character described, and the interval which its construction would require, would naturally he employed hy the different Irish interests concerned, in improving their respective harbours, and supplying their various localities with useful and fitting appliances; and what your Committee conceive more important still, time would he afforded to convince the judgment of the English people, hy disseminating cor¬ rect information, and removing erroneous impressions on the whole subject. To an effort of this kind, the Committee feel it their duty to restrict their recommendation for the present; they could not, for the reasons already assigned, take upon themselves the responsibility of advising the form¬ ation of a Company, of a more extensive character. They have not arrived at this result without the most anxious deliberation and extensive inquiry. Not content with a careful consideration of the mass of evidence published hy the Packet Station Commis¬ sioners, they have communicated and corresponded with some of the best informed individuals in this country, in England, and in America; and the delay in making their Report has been the result of the 17 magnitude of the subject, and of the importance of the duty imposed on them. Before concluding this Report the Committee are anxious to direct public attention to considerations which appear to them important. It should be carefully borne in mind that Postal and Packet Communication is essentially different from Traffic Communication between distant countries—nay, that they are to a great extent antagonistic; the first requires the strictest regularity, and the greatest pos¬ sible speed consistent with security; the necessities of the latter are in a great measure satisfied by safety, moderate despatch, and cheapness of carriage—the one should be peculiarly the object of public solicitude, the other of private enterprise. For instance, it is plain that any arrangement which would lead to the transit of letters between this Empire and America in eight days instead of eleven, would be an object of vast national importance, entitled to national support; whereas, to expedite the transit of goods from Liver¬ pool to New York, from eleven days to eight, would not be a desideratum so great, in the present state of constant communication, as to induce a merchant to pay any considerable additional freight for the increased despatch; hence it follows naturally that vessels built with reference to speed, and not to cargo, should be selected for the service of the Post Office, and the travelling public; and that all necessary facilities being available, they should be despatched from the 18 nearest point to tlie port of destination—while to local mercantile interests should he left the care of their own concerns. These principles, which cannot he fairly controverted, would leave to London, Liverpool, and Glasgow, to Dublin, Belfast, Cork, Limerick, and Galway, the care of supplying suitable means of transit for the trade of their own localities, while it would impose upon the Government and the Legislature the duty of providing for the most effective discharge of the Postal Service of the Empire. It was by overlooking these considerations, and by confounding the distinct requirements of the public service and of private enterprize, that the Packet Station Commissioners were induced to disregard all the advantages of despatching the Mails for America from a Port on the West of Ireland:—the geographical position of this country—the delay and danger of the Channel Navigation—the despatch and safety of the route across Ireland—the economy in fuel—in room— in insurance—and in sailing expenses—the saving of time in crossing the Atlantic—above all, the powers of the Electric Telegraph were ignored, or rather postponed, as of less imperial consequence than the supposed convenience of a great manufacturing district of England. Your Committee having requested Mr. Whiteside, Q.C., M.P., to undertake the duty of making an Analysis of the Evidence published by the Packet 19 Station Commissioners, with a view to show that their deductions were not sustainable, he has prepared the valuable and interesting document published in the Appendix. The Committee, however, have felt them¬ selves precluded from giving any opinion on this document, considering, for the reasons already stated, that it discusses subjects on which they were not authorised to enter, but fully appreciating the import¬ ance of the matter which it contains, they present it to the public on the responsibility of the learned gentleman. They also desire to direct public attention to two very important communications addressed by Lord Mont eagle to the Lord Mayor, which will likewise be found in the Appendix. {Signed) BENJ. LEE GUINNESS, {Chairman). JOHN D’ARCY. DAVID CHAS. LA TOUCHE. JOSEPH NAPIER, Q.C. JONATHAN PIM. DENIS MOYLAN. FRANCIS CODD. JOHN SWEETMAN. The Mansion House, Dublin, 9 th day of December, 1851. APPENDICES. APPENDIX A. LORD MONTEAGLE TO THE RIGHT HON. THE LORD MAYOR. (No. 1.) “Exchequer, 15^ October , 1851. “ My Lord, —I rejoice that a press of business and other cir¬ cumstances, should have led me to delay answering your Lordship’s letter of the 2nd instant, as I perceive, from the public prints, that during this interval of time, the Mansion House Committee have visited the ports of the Shannon, and of Galway, and have been thus enabled to judge from observation what are the relative advantages of each; my letter will thus be made, I hope, more to the purpose. “ Upon the relative merits of those ports it is therefore unnecessary for me to enter. Besides which, being myself a party interested, and, therefore, one to whom perfect impartiality would be difficult, I prefer addressing myself at once to the more comprehensive argu¬ ment, namely, the general case of Ireland, in which I have a common cause with my fellow-countrymen of Galway, Kerry, and Cork. “ We are but wasting our time and strength in discussing the relative claims of Irish Ports , till the case of Ireland itself is made out and demonstrated. I should have expected that the admitted gain of 300 miles, more especially for steam navigation—the economy of fuel, and the saving of time, in my mind under-valued by the late Commission, would at once have determined the question. This is unfortunately not the case with the Commissioners, and their opinion has been given in favor of Holyhead. C 24 “ This opinion should not only be controverted, but it should he disproved. This is the primary object to be accomplished; as the official Report, so long as it remains unanswered, will constitute, I fear, a conclusive objection against Government support and co¬ operation, and a formidable objection to private enterprise. “ An answer to that Report can, I am convinced, be given from the evidence taken before the Commissioners themselves; but this should be done without determining relatively the advantages of the Shannon or of Galway Bay; but using the case of each as against Holyhead, not as against each other, and leaving the preference between those ports for after consideration. If this be done frankly and sincerely, we shall carry with us in our principal contest the unbroken strength of all Ireland. With this we shall find it difficult to win — but without it we shall fail inevitably, and not very creditably, as our failure will be justly attributable to conflicting local and personal jealousies. “ A well reasoned reply to the Report, founded on these compre¬ hensive principles, is therefore the first thing needed, and I rejoice to think that it is likely to be undertaken by a gentleman of the eminent talents of Mr. Whiteside; one, who from his legal habits, is so competent to make a judicious use of the evidence taken. “ When this reply is completed, it should be brought forward and recommended to the public in every way, and through every channel. The Reviews, the Magazines, the Newspapers, should be stimulated to consider, and to argue the question. Opposition should be courted, rather than discouraged; the more closely our case is considered, the more accurately it is weighed, the better for the cause of truth, and therefore for the cause of Ireland. “ Everything will, however, depend on the ground taken. If we contend that the produce of Great Britain and of North America are likely, to any great extent, to make their way by Railroad across Ireland, and that we can hope to receive any large amount of ordinary mercantile freight, I am assured that we shall err in two most important particulars: we shall fight in a wrong position—we shall be opposed by conclusive reasoning—and we shall also aggravate * 25 the British mercantile jealousies, which are the most formidable obstacles to our success. It should be our business to argue on grounds on which Glasgow and Liverpool, Bristol, Southampton, and London are likely to join, rather than oppose us. It is as a question of postal and telegraphic communication, not excluding the subsidiary- benefits of the transmission of troops and passengers, that our argu¬ ment is to be urged. % Nor should the point be raised, or even hinted at, of a necessity of transferring Cunard’s ships from Liverpool to Galway, or the Shannon. We should rather urge the creation of a new line altogether, by vessels expressly built to ensure the maxi¬ mum of despatch and punctuality between the old world and the new. I shall revert to the question of expense hereafter. “ Now if this position be correct—if it be vain to dream of such a line, independently of Post Office purposes, we can only succeed by carrying the Government and Parliament with us. It is suicidal, therefore, to deal with the project as one merely interesting to ourselves and the United States. Unless the British North American Colonies are brought primarily forward we shall obtain no countenance at all. Nor does this involve any real sacrifice of the interests of the United States, but the very reverse. Halifax is undeniably the first port to be made, and the Irish case is then made on nautical grounds more arguable, than if the American port chosen was New York. But when the Great North American Railways are com¬ pleted from Halifax to Boston, &c., on the one side, and from Halifax to Quebec and Montreal on the other, there can be no doubt but that Halifax will ensure the most rapid transit for correspondence both with the Eastern States, and with the far West. Therefore, including always the United States in our views and in our arguments, it is the height of impolicy to make them a primary object, or to put them prominently forward. It is not under the Stars and Stripes that you are to march, if you expect the victory. I wholly disregard the expectation of much pecuniary help coming from beyond the Atlantic ; whatever does come will be solely on grounds of direct pecuniary interest, and nothing else. If it were now for the interest of the States to place their packets on an Irish station there is 26 nothing to prevent them from doing so. They have no local favoritism for Liverpool or Southampton, and Collins’s line would be fixed at Galway or the Shannon if 40 cents additional on each passenger and each bale of goods could be gained by the change. There may be noisy meetings of sympathizers got up at New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore, but when it comes to investing some hundreds of thousand dollars, the question of profit will, and ought , to decide the speculators and the capitalists—and, depend upon it, the ties between the producers and the consumers of cotton are too strong to be broken by the Irish emigrants or the Irish at home. “ I may here allude to the proposal of an experimental packet establishment, of which I have seen some symptoms. I very much doubt the policy of this, so long as we are antagonistic to the present establishments at Liverpool. No experiment seems necessary to demonstrate that 300 miles of saving in a steam voyage will be a great gain. This is undeniable. But to bring this to a practical issue, for the purpose of ascertaining what the saving will be, in time and cost, is riskful, unless we are entirely convinced that the experiment will he fairly tried. Is there not a danger that an experimental establishment, starting against the enormous power and experience of Cunard’s and Collins’s lines will scarcely start on even terms. By sacrificing something in cargo—by a lavish expen¬ diture of fuel and other resources, I think the present lines will by a desperate effort make an exceptional passage appear to be an average one, and that by so making a common cause, the English and American Companies may lessen the advantage which, without any experiment at all, we have against them, at the present. “ Besides I doubt whether on other grounds we are quite prepared for this test. As yet the indispensable requisites for a safe winter’s run into Galway are not provided. Neither have we of the Shannon provided our Railway extension to Foynes from Limerick. The one or the other are wanting to give us our full advantage over England, and both would be highly useful on general grounds, even independently of Transatlantic communication. The utmost energy of the people of the West and of Munster should be stimulated and 27 exerted for this purpose. I presume the Mullingar and Galway Company would largely assist in making the harbour of their Atlantic Terminus. I cannot hut imagine that the Great Southern and Western and the Waterford and Limerick would find a great interest in the extension of their lines to Foynes, as well as in its future working. On the completion of each port, by these operations, sea works at Galway, a line of Railway from Limerick, would depend the chances of these ports as between themselves. It may be said—determine the preferable port first, and its com¬ pletion will necessarily follow. Granted, for the sake of argument. Now this will require a more impartial investigation and judgment than persons locally and personally interested can pretend to give or to pronounce. It is left unsettled by the Commissioners’ Report. It demands a further and more authoritative investigation than it has as yet received. Nautical men responsible to the Government should be entrusted with the duty placed in a first-class steamer during the winter season, fairly to test the two ports in respect to their relative safety, and their capacity for receiving large steamers running in from the Atlantic in a gale of wind, and bound to enter and leave their mails. It might thus be determined whether the lee side of Mutton Island or of Foynes was the safest port; and whether the one anchorage or the other could be made complete with most certainty and safety. I should, for one, be quite willing to abide the result of this experiment, fairly tried; for I can assure you, in all sincerity, that if it should be proved that Galway is the better port for the public service, and for Ireland, nothing would induce me to raise a voice for the Shannon. “ The whole question with the Government will, at first sight, turn on the question of expense. My financial plan of meeting this difficulty is as follows: I have already said that if we cannot prove our case in reference to the Post-Office, we have no practical case on which to rely, all else, if unsupported by the question of postal communication, will, I believe, be found a sheer delusion. This will decide the whole question. To gain anything considerable in time for correspondence is of the first importance for Great Britain 28 and Ireland, for North America, and for Northern Europe. The beneficial consequences to all commercial transactions would be enormous, and would affect all the parties I have named. Then why should it not be considered to be such an international object as to be one justifying international support? The sea postage might be divided—the land postage taken by each country over its own territory ? This would lighten the burthen and increase the benefit. Liverpool and all the great interests of England would have their present system undisturbed for commercial and direct passenger traffic, whilst the new line would be an incalculable benefit superadded to the existing system—not substituted for it. “ This I feel hopeful might be obtained, if made the matter of friendly diplomacy. But the case of Ireland should first be made out. I am sure Mr. Whiteside will see the obvious fallacy of the Holyhead scheme. It is similar to what in logic is complained of as a substitution of terms. A departure from Liverpool, touching at Holyhead for Mails, would practically be a voyage from Liverpool to North America, and would be exposed to the delay and risk of a Liverpool voyage. It also perpetuates the use of Steamers built for commercial purposes rather than for despatch. It renders a larger amount of fuel necessary, and therefore diminishes the amount of spare tonage for passengers. For these, and for other reasons, all propositions for merely touching at a Westward point are fallacious, if disconnected from the question of the real bona fide port of departure or arrival. “ If my scheme is too large, and depends on two many con¬ tingencies, the simple plan would be, after an appeal to Parliament and the Government on the general question, should the decision turn on the relative merits of Galway and the Shannon, to pray the Government either to renew the Commission, or, what would be better, to issue a new one, composed of nautical men, to consider the relative merits of the two ports—the deficiencies of each, how those deficiencies can best be remedied, and at what probable expense. “ I really was surprised at the very one sided argument of the 29 Belfast Town Council. They as completely passed over the case of the Shannon as if no such river merited attention. Let them send some of their able and intelligent merchants to inspect both ports, as your Lordship and your Colleagues most wisely have done,—let them throw over-board the exaggerated scheme of direct Railway com¬ munication by or from Londonderry, Enniskillen to Galway, and even from Limerick to Galway, as highly improbable, if not wholly impracticable,—let them remember that from Belfast through Dublin to Limerick is now complete, except for an interval in Ulster itself; and that all that is further required is a short extension to Foynes, which can be executed with the greatest facility, over a limestone plain without cutting or embankment. “ Should your Committee or your Lordship be desirous of consi¬ dering the question of Foynes more closely, I beg to refer you to a letter addressed by me to the Ballast Board of Dublin, on the 2nd October, in which you will find all the references to evidence and to public documents which are necessary for an appreciation of that part of the case; your Lordship will, I have no doubt, easily obtain from the Ballast Board a copy of that document. “With many excuses for the length of this letter, which I rely on the importance of the subject under consideration to justify, “ I have the honor to be, my Lord, with sincere respect, “ Your Lordship’s very faithful and obedient Servant, “ Monteagle. “ The Right Honorable “ The Lord Mayor of Dublin, Would you rather take Galway Bay in a gale of wind than the Shannon?” “I should prefer Galway Bay.” “ For what reason ?” “ There is more scope to make the land; there is a better way of making the Islands of Arran than making the narroAv point of Loop Head.” “ When it was blowing fresh from the south-west, when you were lying in Galway Bay, could you land in safety at all times of the tide?” “Yes, you can land at all times.” “At all times?” “Yes.” “ If it was blowing a heavy gale of wind from the westward, and the great Atlantic was running, would you consider it safe to heave one of those heavy steamers to for sounding?” “Quite safe.” “To round her to ?” “ Yes. I have made eighteen voyages in steamers across the Atlantic.” “Into Galway Bay?” “No, into Bristol; I think they are perfectly safe in any way.” “ Is there a heavier sea on the west coast of Ireland than in running along the south coast of Ireland ?” “ Much heavier.” “ But you think that there would he no difficulty in heaving a large steamer to for deep-water sounding?” “ None whatever.” “ You would then lay her broad¬ side on to it, would there be no difficulty?” “None whatever.” “ Have you ever commanded a steamer?” “ Never; I was in the Great Western eighteen voyages as mathematical instructor.” “ Did 64 you ever heave to for soundings in her when running for Bristol?” “ Yes; and frequently in making the coast of America.” If we refer to the evidence taken before the Commissioners of Western Harbours in 1834, we find the most decisive confirmation of the testimony already quoted. Captain Beaufort, hydrographer to the Admiralty, the Duke of Wellington, Mr. Charles Williams, Captain Burgoyne, Captain Evans, and Sir John Franklin, were unanimous in opinion, and equally decided in the expression of it,— that the establishment of a communication by packets between America and a western part of Ireland, would be of great advantage to England, to Ireland, the Colonies, and America, the examination of Sir John Franklin cannot be read without interest at the present moment. “Do you conceive the establishing a communication between the British Empire, and the North American Colonies, and North America generally, through Ireland, would be of essential benefit?” “I think so decidedly.” “Is it your opinion that it would also be attended with advantage to the empire in general?” “ I think it would, inasmuch as it would greatly improve Ireland itself; the very circumstance of the employment, and the facilitating the means of conveyance from one place to the other in that country, would be advantageous.” “You conceive the facility of conveyance between this country and America would be facilitated by its passage through Ireland?” “The time would be saved very much; and if there were certain ports prepared to receive ships, I think many vessels that now come round to Liverpool and other places, would have no objection to bring cargoes to the western ports of Ireland, supposing there were pilots for each harbour, and they were properly lighted and buoyed.” The evidence of nautical and naval witnesses must naturally attract attention and deserve respect; but we have been greatly influenced in our judgment by the elaborate document prepared and transmitted to the Commissioners by Mr. Mulvany of the Board of Works, and extending from page 277 to page 289. This valuable report is accompanied by a letter addressed to Sir John Burgoyne, in which the writer thus expresses himself :— “ No doubt you and your colleagues are inundated with partisan and interested 65 views from a multitude of places, and perhaps the only inducement I can offer you to entertain my memoranda, is the total absence of partiality. “ It is, however, a subject to which, as you are partly aware, I have given occasional attention for the last 15 years—I have long felt it to be important, in a national and peculiarly in an Irish point of view, and in the performance of my various public duties connected with public works, harbours, fisheries, &c., I have taken every opportunity to become personally acquainted with the capa¬ bilities and circumstances of our seaports, conducted the actual survey of some, as in the lower Shannon and Galway, and since you left Ireland, frequently examined others that I was not previously acquainted with. Mr. Mulvany commences his evidence in these words:— “ Since the publicatiou of the Report of the Irish Railway Commissioners, the improvement in Transatlantic steam navigation, the extension and completion of many railways throughout Great Britain and Ireland, with the recent comple¬ tion of the tubular bridge across the Menai Straits, and the extended use of the Electric Telegraph, even to submarine communication, have materially altered the premises under which this question has to be considered, and justifies a new and independent inquiry into the subject.” Mr. Mulvany assumes that a preference will he given to that port which, with its railway, will he self-supporting; and, in addition to packet communication, has, or is well adapted for, extensive commer¬ cial intercourse and trade, possesses the means for extensive accom¬ modation to shipping,—manufacturers or manufacturing powers to repair, fit out, victual, and otherwise supply the packets, accom¬ modate passengers, troops,