Digitized by the Internet Archive in 2015 https://archive.org/details/presidentialcamp1521unit 4AN051SS? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES HEARING BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS UNITED STATES SENATE SIXTY-SIXTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION PURSUANT TO S. RES. 357 A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS TO INVESTIGATE THE CAMPAIGN EXPENSES OF VARIOUS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES IN ALL POLITICAL PARTIES PART 15 Printed for the use of the Committee on Privileges and Elections DEC 12 myEfmY of aumis. WASHINGTON GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 1920 COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS. WILLIAM P. DILLINGHAM, Vermont, Chairman. WILLIAM S. KENYON, Iowa. LAWRENCE Y. SHERMAN, Illinois. ALBERT B. FALL, New Mexico. PHILANDER C. KNOX, Pennsylvania. SELDEN P. SPENCER, Missouri. JAMES W. WADSWORTH, Jr., New York. JAMES E. WATSON, Indiana. WALTER E. EDGE, New Jersey. ATLEE POMERENE, Ohio. JAMES A. REED, Missouri. THOMAS J. WALSH, Montana. WILLIAM H. KING, Utah. JOSIAH O. WOLCOTT, Delaware. HENRY F. ASHURST, Arizona. Charles A. Webb, Clerk. StJBCOMMITTEE ON S. ReS. 357. WILLIAM S. KENYON, Chairman. SELDEN P. SPENCER. JAMBS A. REED. WALTER E. EDGE. ATLEE POMERENE. Charles A. Webb, Clerk. II CONTENTS. Statement of — Page. John G. Bryson 2097 Charles Boeschenstein 2108 Fred W. Upham (resumed) 2125 E. H. Moore 2217 Charles K. Mavity 2233 Clarence W. Lee 2246 E. H. Moore (resumed) 2261 Clarence W. Lee (resumed) 2266 ni PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 1920. United States Senate, Subcommittee on Privileges and Elections, Chicago^ III. The subcommittee met, pursuant to adjournment, at 9.30 o'clock a. m. in room 603, Federal Building, Senator AVilliam S. Kenyon presiding. Present : Senators Kenyon (chairman), Eeed, Pomerene, and Edge. The Chairman. Are any of the witnesses here ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir ; John G. Bryson, Brazil, Ind. The Chairman. Ifou have come all the way from Texas? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. We Avill put you on, then. TESTIMONY OF MR. JOHN" G. BRYSON. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) The Chairman. What is your full name, Mr. Bryson ? Mr. Bryson. John G. Bryson. The Chairman. What is your business? Mr. Bryson. Well, I am in the oil business. The Chairman. Where is your home ? Mr. Bryson. Brazil, Ind. Senator Spencer. Where ? Mr. Bryson. Brazil, Ind. The Chairman. You have come all the way from Texas in re- sponse to our subpoena, have you ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And are you connected with the ways and means committee ? Mr. Bryson. I am. The Chairman. In what capacity? Mr. Bryson. I am chairman of the Indiana committee. The Chairman. And who appointed you ? Mr. Bryson. Well, the State chairman. The Chairman. The State chairman? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Do you mean the chairman of the Kepublican State central committee? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Well, what did the national committee have to do with it? Senator Spencer. He means the national committee. 2097 2098 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Are you right about that ? Mr. Bryson. Well, I was called over to Indianapolis by the State chairman and asked to take this job. The Chairman. Who is he ? Mr. Bryson. Mr. Wasmuth. The Chairman. Who? Mr. Bryson. Mr. Wasmutli. The Chairman. Did you have any communication with the offices of the national committee here in Chicago ? Mr. Bryson. I came here in March and met Mr. Upham. The Chairman. But you had then been appointed, as I under- stand it. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Well, did you talk it over with Mr. Upham ? Mr. Bryson. Well, he just told me what they would like to have me raise down there. The Chairman. What was it? Mr. Bryson. $100,000. The CiiAiRaiAN. Did you have quotas furnished to you ? Mr. Bryson. No. He just said, " The national committee wants to raise $100,000." Senator Spencer. In Indiana? Mr. Bryson. In Indiana: yes, sir. The Chairman. Now, did you try and organize the State to raise $100,000? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How did you organize it? Mr. Bryson. Well, we just made an organization of the fellows all over the State, you know, to help raise this fund, like we had always done in the past, having a finance committee. The Chairman. Did you do it by districts or by counties? Mr. Bryson. Well, we organized by districts and by counties both. The Chairman. Did you have anything to do with the county or- ganizations ? Mr. Bryson. I do not understand just what you mean by that. The Chairman. Well, I mean this: We have had evidence here, for instance, that in Michigan they had districts, and then the dis- tricts took up the question of county organization. Now, did you in your capacity have anything to do with the county organizations ? Mr. Bryson. No, no. I made a district organization, and £lien they made their ow^n organizations. The Chairman. That is what we want to get at. Mr. Bryson. That is the way of it. The Chairman. Now, how were your district organizations formed? Mr. Bryson. Y\^hy, we just made district chairmen, like we do for each congressional district in Indiana. The Chairman. When you say " we," who do you mean? Mr. Bryson. Why, myself, and possibly the State chairman. Senator Spencer. The Indiana people? Mr. Bryson. elust the Indiana people. There was nobody from the national committee there. The Chairman. No one from the national committee? PRESIDENTIAL, CAMPAIGN" EXPENSES. 2099 Mr. Bryson. No, sir. We went back home just to collect this money. The Chairman. Did you have certain assessments for the dis- tricts, or quotas for the districts, of $100,000 ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Now, have you any papers showing that? Mr. Bryson. What the quota was ? The Chairman. Yes ; for the different districts. Mr. Bryson. No, sir ; I have not. The Chairman. Or for the different counties? Mr. Bryson. No, sir ; I did not go down to the county unit. That was left for the district meetings. The Chairman. Did you ever have a quota on paper for the districts ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Well, now, where is that? That is what we want. Mr. Bryson. Well, I expect that is at Indianapolis, at the head- quarters. The Chairman. We wanted you to bring your papers with you, Mr. Bryson. Mr. Bryson. Well, I did not understand. There was no descrip- tion of the paper. I brought what we were to raise, and who gave it, and all about it, and I supposed that was what you wanted. The Chairman. Did you take the $100,000 and divide that up to make the quotas for the districts, or did you in making your quotas double the amount ? Did you aim at more than the $100,000 ? Mr. Bryson. AVell, you see, under this finance committee we ex- pected to raise our State fund along at the same time. The Chairman. With the $100,000? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How much was the State fund to be ? Mr. Bryson. Well, we were just going to raise all we could. The Chairman. There was no limit to it at all? Mr. Bryson. Whatever was necessary to carry on the campaign. The Chairman. Then, in making the quotas for the districts, did you include what you were going to raise for the State as well as the national committee? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How could you do that if you had no limit on the State amount? Mr. Bryson. Well, we set an amount, but we did not think we would ever get that amount. The Chairman. That is what we want, the amount you set in the different districts. Mr. Bryson. I can not give it to you offhand. Senator Pomerene. Give it to us approximately. The Chairman. Can you approximate it? Mr. Bryson. Well, I think, approximately $200,000. The Chairman. Now, that is for the State campaign? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Then the $100,000 for the national made $300,000? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you apportion to the different districts on the basis of $300,000, to cover State and Nation? 2100 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Bryson. Well, no; we did not on any particular basis. We took it on what districts we thought were better able to raise it than other districts were. The Chatriman. Well, can you not give us any idea Senator Pomerene. That does not quite answer your question, Senator, if you will pardon me ? Senator Kenyon's question was as to whether or not you sought to raise $300,000 in the State for these purposes — that is national and State. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir ; we wanted to raise $300,000. Senator Pomerene. Yes. The Chairman. Well, now, that was the amount of money you actually wanted to get. The Chairman. Now, in making your quotas to get that money m the different districts, did 3^ou put your quotas above what would produce that amount ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. You did? Mr. Bryson. Yes. The Chairman. How much above ? Mr. Bryson. Well, I do not know just what the total w^as. We just sort of sized up each district by what we thought we could get, whether it Avas a Republican or a Democrtic district. The Chairman. Well, when you made your quota, did you expect to get the quota ? Mr. Bryson. Well, I did not think we could get it ; no. The Chairman. But you would have gotten it if you could, would you? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. How much have you turned in up to date, cash? Mr. Bryson. Well, we have raised a little under $39,000 to date, for all purposes. The Chairman. Now, I want to finish with this plan and see if we can get that. Can you not furnish us with anything showing the quotas that you had for the different districts? Can you send that to us from Indianapolis? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir ; I can send that to you. The Chairman. You have that ? Mr. Bryson. Oh, we have it there ; yes, sir. The Chairman. You have that complete ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. And it is the balance that you are driving for? Mr. Bryson. We have raised a little under $39,000 for both national and State. The Chairman. How much? Mr. Bryson. A little under $39,000. I have the exact figures here. The Chairman. What are they? Before you get to that, I want to make it clear about this other matter. If you had raised all that you put in your quota, hoAV much would you have raised ? Mr. Bryson. Whatever the total is of that? The Chairman. But I want to know what that is. Mr. Bryson. I will send it to you. The Chairman. You can not give it to us now^ ? Mr. Bryson. No ; I can not give it to you. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2101 The Chairman. Can you not estimate it ? Senator Pomerene. How much over $300,000? Mr. Bryson. I do not know. Now, I will tell you why I am just a little unfamiliar with this, and maybe you will understand. I went on my vacation on the 1st of July and came back on the 30th day of August, and on the 30tli day of August, at noon, I went to Texas, and started back on your subpoena yesterday; so I have been out of touch with this thing for eight or nine weeks; so that is one reason why I am not familiar just oifhand with these figures. The Chairman. Of the $39,000, then, that has been collected, is that up to noAv or up to the time you left ? Mr. Bryson. Xo, sir ; this report is up to September 4. The Chairman. September 4? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What is your largest contribution? Mr. Bryson. $2,000. The Chairman. $2,000? Mr. Bryson. Yes. The Chairman. Was that before or after the $1,000 limit? Mr. Bryson. Well, it was on March 10. The Chairman. How does that happen — March 10 ? Mr. Bryson. It was on March 10. The Chairman. Well, that was before the limit of $1,000 was put on. Who is that from ? Mr. Bryson. William Irwin. Senator Pomerene. Who? Mr. Bryson. William IrAvin. The Chairman. Does this $39,000 include the pledges? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Pledges and cash? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. This $2,000, was that from a newspaper man? Mr. Bryson. Sir? The Chairman. I say, was that $2,000 from a newspaper man? Mr. Bryson. No, sir ; he is a banker at Columbus, Ind. The Chairman. Well, I have noticed that the newspaper men usually have two or three thousand to give away without much dif- ficulty. Now, what proportion of the $39,000 is cash and what proportion pledges? Mr. Bryson. Now, the total, the exact amount to both National and State, is $38,942. The Chairman. Has that all been sent in to the national com- mittee ? Mr. Bryson. No, sir ; $32,770 of that is cash. The Chairman. And the rest pledges? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Now, do you not send your money in to the national committee? Mr. Bryson. No. In Indiana, when we joined our drive together, we had a double card on account of our law there. The Chairman. How do you do in Indiana? Mr. Bryson. Well, we have a card, and when we would ask for a contribution, or if a person wanted to give a contribution, one 2102 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. of the cards was payable to Upham and one is payable to Fred Gardner, who is treasurer of our State committee, in order to con- form with our law down there. The Chairman. What law do you refer to ? Mr. Bryson. Well, they have a corrupt-practice law in Indiana there, and all contributions must go to the State committee that are for the State committee, you know. The Chairman. Direct? Mr. Bryson. Direct ; yes, sir. The Chairman. So that you have your pledge for the State com- mittee ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And also the national committee. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. The Chairman. On what proportion is that divided — 2 to 1? Mr. Bryson. W^ell, no. If a man pledges to the State committee and signs that card for the pledge, why, all that is given to the State committee. The Chairman. None of that goes to the national committee? Mr. Bryson. No, sir. And the other pledge is made on the na- tional committee card. The Chairman. So there is no division. Is there anything fur- ther? Senator Edge. I want to ask you this question: This quota of $300,000, was that a quota made before the convention — before the June convention in Chicago? Mr. Bryson. The national convention? Senator Edge. Yes. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Then, in other words, it was a quota that contem- plated the original quota as made up by the national committee; is that correct — the quota that was made up by the national committee months ago. Mr. Bryson. The only time I ever met the national committee or Mr. Upham was in March, when he asked us to try to raise him $100,000 in the State of Indiana. That is all the connection Ave have had with the national committee. Senator Edge. That was in March? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir ; and I have never seen him since. Senator Edge. How much of this $39,000, approximately, was col- lected before the national convention? Mr. Bryson. Well, that will be pretty hard to tell. Senator Edge. Was half of it collected before the national conven- tion? Mr. Bryson. That went just to the national committee? Senator Edge. Yes ; that went to the national committee. Mr. Bryson. Well, I should think that would be about right, or maybe a little more than half of it. Senator Edge. A little more than half? Mr. Bryson. Yes. Senator Edge (continuing). Of that, $39,000 was collected and remitted to the national committee before the convention ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir ; I should think about half of it. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2103 Senator Edge. That is all I want to ask. Senator Pomerene. Of course, as one who has practical knowledge of political operations, whether this money is raised for the national committee or for the State committee, you recognize it as a fact that whatever money is raised for the national committee will benefit your State organization in the State campaign, and whatever money is raised or expended for the State organization will benefit the na- tional campaign, do you not ? That is right, is it not ? Mr. Bryson. Oh, yes ; to a certain extent. Senator Pomerene. Yes. Now, I wish you could give us a little bit more definite idea, if you can — and I recognize that you have not got 3^our papers with you. You say that you started out here to raise for the national committee $100,000 and for the State committee $200,000. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And in your general plan you increased this amount somewhat. Now, give us your best memory as to what the total was that jou sought to raise and gave out to your organization that you wanted to raise. Mr. Bryson. Well, we did not give that quota out with any idea that we w^ould CA^er raise it. Senator Pomerene. Well, I understand what your position is about it, but you gave it out Mr. Bryson. Yes; because we can not raise that much money in Indiana. • Senator Pomerene. How is that ? Mr. Bryson. I say, we can not raise that much money in Indiana. Senator Pomerene. Well, there mav be differences of opinion as to that. Mr. Bryson. Yes. Senator Pomerene. But what was the amount, now? You told your district organizations, perhaps, or others that were interested in this same enterprise, that you wanted to raise a certain amount in the State. Now, what was that amount? Mr. Bryson. Why, I could not giA^e you the exact amount. We can send you that paper, howcA^er. Senator Pomerene. Yes; I knoAv you Avill. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. But did you double the $300,000? Mr. Bryson. No ; I do not think it Avill total that much. Senator Pomerene. Well, Avould it add 50 per cent to the $300,000? Mr. Bryson. It might. Senator Pomerene. ScA^enty-fiA^e per cent? Mr. Bryson. No ; it might add 50 per cent. Senator Pomerene. That is your best judgment now? Mr. Bryson. That is my best judgment, until I send you the paper. Senator Pomerene. Of course, I understand any statement you make noAV is subject to correction. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. So your best judgment is now, as chairman of the Indiana ways and means committee, that you sought to raise ap- proximately $450,000? Mr. Bryson. Well, AA^e kncAv Ave could not raise it. We just simply gave them something to shoot at. 2104 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Pomerene. Yes ; I know ; but they are shooting, all right. Mr. Bryson. Not so fast. Senator Reed. Why did you put your mark so high that you knew they could not raise it? Now, what is the sense in that — starting out to do something you know you can not do ? Mr. Bryson. Well, probably the reason for that is there are some districts that are better able to raise than others, and we did not want to make it so that there was nothing to do. Some are Democratic districts and some are Republican districts. Senator Reed. Yes. Senator Pomerene. Well, Republican districts — here at the present time they are all Republican districts in Indiana, are they not? Mr. Bryson. Well- Senator Pomerene. You got a solid Republican delegation, did you not? Mr. Bryson. I understand that there is nobody counts them all in the Republican districts. Senator Pomerene. How is that? Mr. Bryson. There is nobody counts them all in the Republican districts. Senator Pomerene. Well, I hope you are right. Now, at the same time, Mr. Bryson, that you Avere raising this money for the State and national purposes you knew, of course, that an effort would be made to raise additional funds for each of the local county cam- paigns, did you not? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir ; that has always been the scheme. Senator Pomerene. That has always been the scheme ? Mr. Bryson. Yes. Senator Pomerene. Now, then, you ha\^e been pretty active in Indiana politics for a good many years, have you not ? Mr. Bryson. I have been a member of the State central committee for 10 3^ears. Senator Pomerene. For 10 years ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. So that you have, generally speaking, a pretty good knowledge of political operations within the State of Indiana? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir ; fairly good. Senator Pomerene. Plow much money do you think would be raised in the counties and county funds for county purposes ? Mr. Bryson. For local purposes ? Senator Pomerene. How is that? Mr. Bryson. I say, for local purposes? Senator Pomerene. Yes ; for local purposes, Mr. Bryson. Well, I could not answer that, for this reason, that in the local organization they always have a local finance committee. Senator Pomerene. Yes? Mr. Bryson. And they will go out, and one county will probably raise a little more money, owing to how the fight is. Senator Pomerene. Yes. Mr. Bryson. And how keen it is ; and their chances to elect a county ticket, and so on ; so that that varies greatly in the counties, as to their chances. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2105 Senator Pomerene. Yes ; I think that is a correct statement of the situation, and it often depends upon the importance of the county ticket, or local ticket. Mr. Bryson. You are exactly right. Senator Pomerexe. And the men you have got on it, whether there is a probability of electing them, etc. AW of those things affect the local treasury as well as the situation generally, do they not ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. But now, as compared with the amount which you sought to raise for State and National purposes, would the amount raised in all of the counties for county purposees equal the amount which would be raised, or which you sought to raise for State or National purposes ? Mr. Bryson. I take it your question means, would $600,000 be raised ; is that the idea ? Senator Pomerene. No ; I did not have that in mind. Perhaps my question was a little indefinite. Assuming, now. that you are seeking to raise $450,000.^ Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. You say you sought to raise $300,000, and you thought you would expand those quotas so as to make it, according to your best judgment now, $450,000. Now, then, make your compari- son first with the $450,000. How much do you think would be raised in the counties for county purposes ? Mr. Bryson. Well, these reports of whatever was raised in the counties in past campaigns have never been reported to the State organization, and it would be the rankest kind of a guess, because it it a local record which has not been reported to the State finance com- mittee. I would only be familiar with probably my own home county. Senator Pomerene. What is your own county ? Mr. Bryson. Clay County. Senator Pomerene. Cla}^ County. Brazil is the county seat ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Now, how much do you ordinarily raise in Clay County? Mr. Bryson. Oh, $300 or $400. Senator Pomerene. And how much under this — under your plan for State and national campaign funds — was allotted to Clay County ? Mr. Bryson. I do not know just exactly how the district chairman of the fifth district divided up among the six counties. I am not familiar with that. Senator Pomerene. How many counties are there in your State ? Mr. Bryson. Ninety-two. Senator Pomerene. There are 92 counties? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Now, is Brazil an average county in popula- tion Mr. Bryson. Brazil? Senator Pomerene. Or, I mean, Clay County. Mr. Bryson. Well, let me see. We have a population of about 32,000 in the county. I do not know whether that is an average countjT^ or not. 2106 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Pomerene. What was your population in the State? Mr. Bryson. I do not know at this time. I have not seen it. Senator Pomerene. What was it 10 years ago? Mr. Bryson. Well, I can not tell you. Senator Po:vikrene. Let me see. 1 think I can give it to vou here; 2,700,876. Well, now, of this $100,000 that was to go to the national committee, w^as any part of that to come back to the State organiza- tion? Mr. Bryson. Not that I know of. Senator Pomerene. Was any part of the $200,000 which you sought to raise for State purposes to go to the national committee? Mr. Bryson. No, sir. Senator Pomerene. Was any part of it to go back to the county organizations ? Mr. Bryson. Not that I know of. Senator Pomerene. Was any part of it to go to each of the several congressional districts in the State ? Mr. Bryson. Not that I know of. Senator Pomerene. Well, now, you have your county organiza- tions—I mean county committees, as we call them in Ohio. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. I suppose you call them the same thing, do you, in Indiana ? Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir ; county committees. Senator Pomerene. And do you have a committee for each con- gressional district to look after the congressional campaign ? Mr. Bryson. Well, our district committees are composed of the county chairmen of the district, the different counties. Senator Pomerene. No Mr. Bryson. That is our district committee. Senator Pomerene. Let me see if I understand you correctly, or if you understand me. You have spoken of your selecting a ways and means committee for each district. As I recall your testimony, you said that you appointed the chairman for each congressional district. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. ^ Senator Pomerene. And then you depended upon them to get the other members of the committee. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. In their districts. Mr. Bryson. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Noav, then, did you have a congressional cam- paign committee for each congressional district in addition to your ways and means committee ? Mr. Bryson. Well, the State organization in Indiana — each what is known as the congressional district committee in Indiana, is com- posed of the county chairmen that make up the congressional district. Senator Pomerene. Oh, that is, your policy? Mr. Bryson. That is our policy. And those men elect a district chairman, or a member of the State committee. Senator Pomerene. So, then, as I understand you^ of this fund that was raised, assuming that it Avas, $100,000 for the national com- mittee would go to the national treasury and be expended by the PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2107 direction of the national committee, and the $200,000 would go to the State committee to be expended by it ; and then each of the county committees would have their own funds, which they would collect and disburse. Mr. Brysox. Yes, sir. . Senator Pomerene. Yes. Now, are you able to tell this committee how it could get information as to the amount of those expenditures in each of those counties, and the amount of funds they would raise ? Mr. Bryson. I do not think it would be possible at this time. Senator Pomerene. Well, would it be at any time later? Mr. Brysox. Yes, sir. I think that after the election is over — under our law each treasurer of the county committee must file with the county clerk of his county the amount of money received, and his expenditures in the campaign. Senator Pomerexe. "Well, now, I am glad you said that, because I perhaps misunderstood your testimony a little while ago. I under- stood you to say that there were no reports filed. Mr. Bryson. In Indiana ? Senator Pomerexe. Yes. Mr. Brysox. Oh, no. Senator Pomerexe. By the county committees? Mr. Brysox. Well, not with the State organization, as to the amount of money they raise. Senator Pomerexe. Oh, I see. Mr. Brysox. There is no connection. They represent • a local finance committee, and that is what they will have. Senator Pomerexe. Well, I am glad we cleared that up. Mr. Brysox. But expenditures of what we call the organization moneys — after the election is over they must file under our corrupt practice act with the county clerk of their respective counties their receipts and expenditures for the campaign. Senator Pomerexe. I see. Mr. Brysox. And they must do it within a certain period of time. Senator Pomerexe. Now, let me ask you further, under your cor- rupt practice act, suppose that two or three or four or half a dozen or more men would get together to raise additional funds, outside of the local county organization, the regular political organization. Suppose they would get together because they had some special in- terest in the election, in one form or another, and they would collect, funds, and this committee was not recognized as the regular political organization of the party. Would such a committee be required to make a report under your law ? Mr. Brysox. Let me see if I understand you. You mean if two or three individuals should go out together and just raise a fund in order to help put over some candidate, or something ? Senator Pomerexe. Yes ; or the entire ticket. Mr. Brysox. Separate from the organization? Senator Pomerexe. Yes. Mr. Brysox. No; there would not be any quota. The only thing the organization accounts for is the money they hold, naturally. Senator Pomerexe. Yes. Mr. Brysox. And not what some individual does on the outside. Senator Pomerexe. Oh, then, under your corrupt practices act it would be possible for local committees, or individuals, not recognized 2108 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. as a part of the regular political organization of your party, to raise any sum of money without making any report of it ? Mr. Bkyson. Well, they could raise it, but they would have to ex- pend it outside of the organization. Senator Pomerene. I know, but assume they did that. Mr. Bryson. And that would be a most unusual thing to do, how- ever. I do not know of a case of its being done, ever in that State. Senator Pomerene. Was not the " blocks of five " campaign con- ducted that way some years ago in your State ? Mr. Bryson. That was before my time in politics, if it was. Senator Pomerene. Yes ; I suspect it was before your activities. The Chairman. You were too young to remember much about that. Now, send your quota list to my office in Washington, will you, Mr. Bryson? Mr. Bryson. All right. Shall I remain here any longer ? The Chairman. No, sir. Senator Pomerene. Mr. Chairman, does that include the quota of moneys raised, and the whole thing? The Chairman. We have that here. Senator Pomerene. All right. (Witness excused. ) The Chairman. Mr. Boeschenstein. TESTIMONY OF MR. CHARLES BOESCHENSTEIN. (The witness was sworn by the chairman.) The Chairman. Mr. Boeschenstein, have you given your name to the reporters ? Mr. Boeschenstein. Charles Boeschenstein. The Chairman. Are you a member of the Democratic national committee from the State of Illinois ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I am. The Chairman. How long have you been such member ? Mr. Boeschenstein. Eight years. The Chairman. Eight years? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Do you have anything to do w^ith raising the finances of the Democratic State or National committee ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I sometimes help out both. The Chairman. Help out both ? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes. The Chairman. Are you doing that this year ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I am. The Chairman. What kind of an organization have you in Illi- nois for raising money ? Mr. Boeschenstein. At the present time ? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. Boeschenstein. None. The Chairman. Well, you are doing it, are you not? Mr. Boeschenstein. I am just starting it. The Chairman. You are just starting it? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you start on your own initiative? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2109 Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did no one ask you to start ? Mr. BoESCHEXSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. You are a pure volunteer? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. AVell, how did you happen to start without any- body asking you to ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. It has been customary in Illinois for the national committeeman to furnish the funds for the campaign in Illinois as far as they w^ere able — as far as he was able — and the funds are secured by sending out letters and securing contributions. The Chairman. Now, that is the process of raising mone}^ in Illi- nois? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Ycs, sir. The Chairman. The national committeeman raises it ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. The national committeeman raises the money. The Chairman. And he has full authority to raise it, has he ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Ycs, sir. The Chairman. Is there any limit to the amount of contributions — as to size? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. The size of the contributions? The Chairman. Yes. The sky is the limit with you, is it not ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Well, you have answered the question for me ; but that is all right. The Chairman. Well, you seemed to hesitate so long about it I thought I would help you out. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Well, there is a limit. The Chairman. What is the limit? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. IJsually the ability of the man who con- tributes. The Chairman. The ability of the man to pay is the only limit ? Senator Pomerene. Do you mean the ability or the willingness ? ^fr. BoESCHENSTEiN. The ability and the willingness, both. I think that is a good correction. The Chairman. Well, then, there is no limit. You place no limit on the amount. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. You get all you can. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How is that? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Do you have men in the different counties raising money under you ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. We have not up to the present time. The Chairman. Do you expect to do that ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not know what we may do. I have not determined. The Chairman. You have not any financial plan fixed up yet? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Oh, yes. The Chairman. Well, what is it? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Well, we expect to send out letters ; to secure names of Democrats and send them letters asking for contributions; 182774— 20— PT 15 2 2110 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. and in connection with that, as an auxiliary organization, we expect to appoint a chairman in these different counties and cities. The Chairman. In each county and city? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I would not say in each county; in as many as we can yet, you know. In some counties in Illinois the Democrats can not get any chairman. The Chairman. In some counties there are not two Democrats — is that it? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Well, not two of them who are willing to work. The Chairman. No two who are willing to work? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. But wherever you can find a Democrat you are going to have a committeee and make him chairman ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And then if he can find another Democrat in the county, they are going to form an organization. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And raise money? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And then if he can find another Democrat in the county, they are going to ask them to contribute ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you are going ahead that way and raise all the money you can, are you not ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you hope to raise a large sum, do you not? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No ; I do not. The Chairman. You feel a little discouraged about it this year, do you ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes ; I am not at all confident about raising a large sum. The Chairman. You are not at all confident ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. Do you know of any liquor organization in the State of Illinois raising any money for the campaign ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir ; positively not. The Chairman. Do you know of any in the United States Senator PoMERENE (interposing). What is the answer? The Chairman. He says positively none. Mr. BoE.ecHENSTEiN. I sav uo ; absolutely not. The Chairman. Do you know anything al;>out the Association Opposed to National Prohibition? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. Or its operations in the country ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. Have you had anything to do with it at all? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Absolutely not. The Chairman. You do not know of such an institution? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. Senator Pomerene. What is the name of that organization ? The Chairman. The Association Opposed to National Prohibition. Now, do you know about any clubs in Illinois engaged in raising money ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2111 Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No ; I do not know of anybody in Illinois that is engaged in raising money for the Democratic campaign, ex- cepting myself, at the present time. The Chairman. Excepting yourself? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Ycs ; and somer men who are associated with me. The Chairman. Who are they? Mr. Boeschenstein. Or who will be. The Chairman. Who are the}^? Mr. Boeschenstein. I sent out some letters and telegrams several da^^s ago asking men to cooperate with me. I have not received any replies to date. The Chairman. How many did you send ? Mr. Boeschenstein. Twenty. The Chairman. Twenty. Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. I expect to send more. The Chairman. And none of them have replied? Mr. Boeschenstein. Not up to the present time. The Chairman. Things seem to be in prettv bad condition in Illinois? Mr. Boeschenstein. One would judge so. Senator Pomerene. Can you not get some Y. M. C. A. secretaries to help along in the campaign ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I have been wondering if I could or not. The Chairman. Mr. Upham might loan you a few. Mr. Boeschenstein. I have been talking to him about it this morning. The Chairman. Well, it seems to be a pretty good plan. Mr. Boeschenstein. The}' know how to get the money, and we do not. The Chairman. These 20 men to whom 3^011 have wired, do you expect to form some sort of an organization with them ? Mr. Boeschenstein. No ; I appoint these men. I send a telegram to a man and appoint him as chairman of the finance committee of his district. The Chairman. And then he has authority? Mr. Boeschenstein, He has authority to appoint subcommittees? The C/HAiinrAN. Yes. Mr. Boeschenstein. And they pass the hat. The Chairman. They pass the hat? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. When you say " district,'' do you mean con- gressional district? Mr. BoENSCHENSTEiN. No ; I mean the city district. For instance, in Danville, 111., I appointed Mr. Eliot chairman for the Danville district. That means the Danville city district. The Chairman. Just the city of Danville ? Mr. Boeschenstein. The city of Danville and surrounding terri- tory. The Chairman. Yes. And then he appoints his assistants ? Mr. Boeschenstein. He appoints a a subcommittee. The Chairman. He appoints a subcommittee ? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes. 2112 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS EXPENSES. The Chairman. And you do that all over the State, wherever you can. Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. Wliercvcr I can ; yes, sir. The Chairman. Now, do you fix any amount or request him to raise any amount for his district or county ? Any quota, I mean ? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. Anything I can get. The Chairman. Anj^thing you can get ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. Ycs ; 50 cents, $1, or $5. The Chairman. Oh, you take more than $1, 1 suppose. Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. Why, they do not often run very high. The Chairman. They do not ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEIN. No. The Chairman. Did you raise the contributions in 1916 in Illinois? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I helped raise them. The Chairman. And in 1912 ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I helped raise them. The Chairman. They ran a little higher than $1 in some instances then, did they not? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. Ycs, a few. The Chairman. Yes. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. But not a great many. The Chairman. Some gentlemen who were afterwards made am- bassadors gave rather heavily, did they not ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I do not know. The Chairman. In Illinois, I mean. Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I do not know. The Chairman. Did Mr. Jones only give $1, Thomas D. Jones? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. No ; I think he did a little bit better. The Chairman. Yes. So you do not mean to tell us that you are just getting dollar contributions, do you? Mr. Boeschenstein. I say that the number of contributors who give a large amount is not very numerous. The Chairman. That is probably true in both parties. But let us get away from the idea that all of the sanctity is in one party. , You are trying to raise all the money you can from the Democrats in Illinois for the campaign, and the Republicans are doing the same thing. Is that not the situation ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I would not make that statement so broad. You know there is a distinction. Senator, between The Chairman. Well, then, you are not trying to raise all you can, is that it? • Mr. Boeschenstein. I am tr^dng to raise a reasonable amount. The Chairman. How much ? Mr. Boeschenstein. What do you mean by " all we can get " ? The Chairman. You have told us that there was no limit to the amount, and I understood you to say that you were trying to raise all you could. Mr. Boeschenstein. Well, the fact of the matter is that when we raise all we can get, we usually have bareh^^ enough to pay our neces- sary expenditures. The Chairman. What did you raise in 1916 for the State? Mr. Boeschenstein. In the western headquarters altogether? The Chairman. No; from the State of Illinois. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2113 Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Well, I could not tell you offhand. I do not know that. I think the western headquarters spent something like $350,000 or $360,000. The Chairman. I asked you as to the State of Illinois. Can you give me that information? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I could not give you that ; no. The Chairman. Can you give ihe any estimate of the amount you spent ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. In the State? The Chairman. Yes, sir. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. The State was not separated from the na- tional committee — in the contributions. The Chairman. Can 3^011 give me — if you can not do that, can you give me the amount raised in the State of Illinois ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. You mean the amount spent in the State campaign ? The Chairman. The amount raised in the State of Illinois for the State and National campaigns. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I could not do that. The Chairman. You can not do that? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Somc of the contribiitions from Illinois were given in New York. The Chairman. They were given in New York? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you raise money in Illinois at that time out- side of what the national committee raised? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. They raised it all? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. That is, the money was raised for both the National campaign and the State campaign. It was divided be- tween — the money was equally divided between the two. The State committee got half and the national committee got half of the money that I raised. The Chairman. What was raised in the cities? What was done with that ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. In the cities? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. What do you mean by that ? The Chairman. Like Danville, for instance. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. We do not raise money that way. The Chairman. You do not? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No. We raised money four years ago en- tirely by letter. The Chairman. Entirely by letter? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Then you- Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Pardou me. The Chairman. Go ahead. ^ Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. We sent out letters and asked for contribu- tions. The Chairman. Did you have solicitors — men soliciting through the State? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. We tried that. 2114 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. And you can not give us now any estimate of what you raised in Illinois in 1916 ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not think I can. The Chairman. How is that ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I Say, I can not. The Chairman. You can not do that? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No. The Chairman. Now, you have commenced sending out letters this year, have you not ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Have you a mailing list? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Ycs, sir. I have not lists now, though. We are making up a new list. We had a list. The Chairman. You are making up a new list now? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you say you had a list? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you furnish any of j^our lists to Mr. Jamie- son for his plan? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Xo, sir. The Chairman. Did he furnish you any names for your lists? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Xot siuce four years ago. The Chairman. He did furnish you some, though, four years ago ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. AA^itli some names ; yes, sir. The Chairman. Have you — you heard from Mr. Jamieson about his plan, did you not? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. Did you not get any correspondence from him? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. Have you a list of all Federal officeholders in the State? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir; I never saw one. The Chairman. A list of postmasters? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. You have been sending letters out to postmasters, have you not? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I suspcct I havc. The Chairman. And you expect to keep on sending them to them, do you not? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir; not when I find out that they are postmasters. The Chairman. Not when you find out that they are postmasters ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No. The Chairman. Well, now, we had testimony here of some letters sent to Mr. Coffman, at Augusta, 111. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. That is possible. The Chairman. That is the reason we asked you to come here. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. It is possible I sent them. The Chairman. He is postmaster there. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I did not know that. The Chairman. Do you not knoAv that he is postmaster? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. PKESiDE Initial campaign expenses. 2115 The Chairman. Noav, look at this envelope — well, I will ask you first to look at the letter and the enA' elope. Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And state whether or not you sent that letter. Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. 1 seiit the envelope and sent the letter. The Chairman. Yes. Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. That is, I did not do it, but I had it done. The Chairman. You had it done? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. So that you assume responsibility for the sig- nature, whether it is yours or not ? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And those are the general kind of letters that you are sending over the State ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. \ es, sir. The Chairman. Now, you notice on this letter, " Deliver at home address only." Mr, BOESCHENSTEIN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. With a rubber stamp. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman, Why is that put on there ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. That is a circular letter, and in order to secure attention to the letter, I frequently put on a special delivery stamp, and ask that the letter be delivered at the home address. The Chairman, Do 3^ou do that to anyone but Federal officials? Mr, BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Now, let us see. You put that on so it will re- ceive special attention, Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Here are four other letters. Look at those, will you, and see if you sent those ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. They look familiar, but I will look at them. Did you read these letters ? The Chairman. Yes, sir. They are good letters. We put them into the record, Mr, BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not think so; I think they are poor letters. The Chairman. You think they are poor letters. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN, Ycs, sir. What is the matter with the letters ? The Chairman, Well, the question is just whether you sent the letters. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Ycs, sir. The Chairman. They are all your letters ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman, Well, is this first one more important than the others ? Mr. .BoESCHENSTEiN, I beg your pardon? The Chairman. Is this particular letter any more important than those others ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No. The Chairman. Then why did you want special attention given to this particular letter ? Why did you not put " Deliver at home ad- dress only " on these other letters, if you w^anted special attention ? 2116 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Simply "because we probably sent some letters to the party and received no reply, and then used the other method. We do not always put on a special delivery stamp, but occasionally we do. The Chairman. Well, the one that has the special delivery stamp on is dated March 4. You sent one of April 1 after that, and put no special rubber stamp on that. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes ; that is correct. The Chairman. So that if the reason was that you had not heard from the man, why did you not put it on the subsequent letters the same as that one ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Well, you know these letters are follow-ups. We send a letter, and then we send another letter, and another letter and another letter. The only way to get money is to keep at it persistently. The Chairman. Here are five letters. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. You were pretty persistent about it. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. That is not, however, what I am asking you about. Now, let us not beat around the bush, either one of us, about this. You knew it was against the law to solicit funds from Federal offi- cials Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman (continuing). In Federal buildings. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. So you had a rubber stamp prepared to send it on to their homes and thought possibly that might not be a violation of the law. (No response.) The Chairman. Have you read any of Mr. J amieson's testimony ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. About sending to the homes ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir ; I have not followed the testimony at all. The Chairman. Why did you not write this on instead of stamp- ing it on ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. It would be too much work. The Chairman. Well, you have so many of them that it would be too much work to write it on ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No ; but one dozen is work, is it not ? The Chairman. A dozen is work ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. As many as a dozen is work. The Chairman. Well, you had a rubber stamp to make it easy ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you only put the rubber stamp on when you were writing to Federal officials ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. That is not so. The Chairman. It that not so ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. Can you produce a single envelope where you have put that on unless it is addressed to a Federal official ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not have the envelopes. I do not keep the letters. The letters are not returned to me. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2117 The Chairman. And do you .tell this committee now that you put that on letters that were not addressed to Federal officials ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. In the past, emphatically ; yes, sir. The Chairman. Well, in what has been going on now ? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Can you produce a single envelope showing that? Mr. Boeschenstein. Well, how am I going to get the envelopes ? The Chairman. Can 3^011 tell us the name of any person who is not a Federal official— — Mr. Boeschenstein. I can tell you that some time ago, in the elec- tion four 3^ears ago, I sent a letter to the bankers in Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, and some other States, in connection with the election, and I put that stamp on every one, as I recall it, and put a special-delivery stamp on every one. The Chairman. That they should go to their houses ? Mr. Boeschenstein. That was not the point. You know that is not the point. The Chairman. Well, let us get the point. Mr. Boeschenstein. It does not follow that they must go to their houses ; but a letter with a special-delivery stamp on^ and a stamp of that kind — it insures attention to the letter, whereas a letter simply with a printed letterhead or an envelope with a printed letter in, will not secure attention. The Chairman. If you have the registry stamp on it, and the man has to sign for it, does that not secure attention without any state- ment Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes ; but it delays the delivery. The Chairman. It does what? Mr. Boeschenstein. It delays delivery. The Chairman. Delays delivery? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes; and this looks more businesslike. The Chairman. Well, does the rubber stamp help the delivery any? Mr. Boeschenstein. No ; but the special-delivery stamp does. The Chairman. You had a special-delivery stamp on this letter? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. The Chairman. That would get it to the man all right, would it not? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes. The Chairman. Then, why did you want it delivered only at his home address? Mr. Boeschenstein. So the man would get it personally. Even a special-delivery letter sometimes — a special-delivery stamp sometimes does not insure the delivery of the letter to the person. The Chairman. Why did you not have somebody take the letter, if you were so afraid of that, and carry it to him ? Mr. Boeschenstein. Oh, well, that is too much work. The Chairman. That is put on there because if it was delivered to him in the Federal building it would be a violation of law, is it not? Mr. Boeschenstein. No, sir. The Chairman. You tell us that? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you have that in your mind at all? 2118 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Not at all, sir. * The Chairman. If you put " confidential " on it, would not that secure better attention? Somebody has testified here that they put " confidential " on in order that the person would read the letter. (No response.) The Chairman. Now, is it or is it not true that you are trying to secure funds from Federal officials throughout the State? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. Positively not. The Chairman. You are not? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. What is the harm in Federal officials contributing to a campaign fund? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. I do not see any harm, except that it is against the law. The Chairman. Is it against the law for a Federal official to contribute ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No ; but it is against the law to solicit, and it is too much work to go after. The Chairman. Is this the only postmaster in the State of Illinois you have written to ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I SUSpCCt UOt. The Chairman. And have you put a rubber stamp on the other letters to postmasters ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not know as to that. The Chairman. You intended to, did you not? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. Somc of them ; yes. The Chairman. You did not want them to get them in the building ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not say that. The Chairman. What? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I did not care where they got them. The Chairman. You did not care whether they got them in the post-office building or not ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. A letter soliciting funds ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I do not care where they get the letter. The Chairman. You do not care where they get the letter? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No. I do not know, in the first place, that the man that this letter is addressed to is a postmaster. I did not know that this man is a postmaster until you told me so. The Chairman. You did not know that he is? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. I know now, since you have told us. The Chairman. Well, that has been the evidence here. That is all I know. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. That is all right. The Chairman. Maybe he is not. ^ Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not know that he is. The Chairman. You do not try to find out whether a man is a postmaster or not? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Well, as a general rule, postmasters under a Democratic administration are pretty strong Democrats, and under a Republican administration pretty active Republicans, are they not? Senator Reed. Not since the Wilson civil service. PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPEITSES. 2119 Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. That does not apply to Illinois, Senator. The Chairman. That does not apply to Illinois? Mr. BoEscHExsTEiN. No. Fully half of the postmasters in Illinois are Republicans. The Chairman. How many? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. About half of them. The Chairman. Half of them are Republicans ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Well, do you really mean that ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I really mean it. I know it. The Chairman. You mean it ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I mean it, and I know it. The Chairman. Well, do you solicit funds from them? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. No ,* we do not solicit funds from any post- master, knowing the man to be a postmaster. The Chairman. What about other Federal officials? Do you send any letters to district attorneys? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. No. The Chairman. Or marshals? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. No, sir. The Chairman. They do not contribute? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. No, sir — yes; they do contribute. The Chairman. Well, if 3^011 have so few postmasters in Illinois and so many Democrats in office, and you do not solicit from those in office, how in the world do you raise any funds? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not know how we get it, but we manage to get by sometimes. The Chairman. You manage to get by? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. Yes. The Chairman. But you can not tell us how much ? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. It is by keeping everlastingly at it that we get enough money to pay the rent and furniture expenses. The Chairman. You have not gotten your heavy contributions yet? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. Your conception of a campaign fund and mine do not seem to agree, Senator. The Chairman. How is that? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. Your idea of what a campaign fund is or ought to be, and mine do not agree. The Chairman. AVell, maybe they do now. Let us see. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. How is that? The Chairman. I say, maybe they do. I am not for big campaign funds. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. It may be a surprise to you to know that in Illinois last year in the State campaign we spent less than $10,000. The Chairman. No ; nothing would surprise us about Illinois. Senator Edge. How many did you elect in the way of State officers last year? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I beg your pardon? Senator Edge. I say, what did you elect in the way of State officers last year? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. We did not elect any. It is the conclusion, then, that if you spend a big amount of money, you can elect the officers? Is that the theory of getting up these campaign funds? 2120 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Pomerene. That is the theory of the question, at least. Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. How ? Senator Pomerene. I say, that is the theory of the question. Mr. Boeschenstein. Apparently it is. The Chairman. Well, you have had some rather substantial con- tributions from Illinois in times gone by, have you not? Is Mr. Crane from Illinois? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Do you know how much he gave in 1912 and 1916 ? Mr. Boeschenstein. What is the point of that question ? The Chairman. Well, just answer the question. Mr. Boeschenstein. How is that? The Chairman. Just answer the question. The point will be dis- covered later, perhaps. Mr. Boeschenstein. Why, Mr. Crane — ask the question again. The Chairman. Bead the question, please. (Question read as above recorded.) Mr. Boeschenstein. No. The Chairman. Do you know how much Mr. Jones gave? Mr. Boeschenstein. No. The Chairman, Do you know that he gave somewhere around $15,000 or $20,000? Mr. Boeschenstein. I did not know that. The Chairman. Did Jones when he gave in those 3^ears turn the money over to you or turn it in somewhere else ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I do not know. The Chairman. Were you national committeeman in 1912? The Chairman. And in 1916? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you do not know that? Mr. Boeschenstein. I think possibly he made that contribution in New York. The Chairman. How is that? To you, you say? . Mr. Boeschenstein. I say I think possibly he may have made that contribution in New York. The Chairman. I do not hear you yet. In New York? Mr. Boeschenstein. I think — 1 am under the impression that he made that contribution in New York. The Cpiairman. Well, he made more than one contribution, did he not? Mr. Boeschenstein. I can not recall that. The Chairman. What is Mr. Jones's business ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I do not know that he has any business. I do not know much about him. Senator Pomerene. Who is that? The Chairman. Jones. Is he in the zinc business ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I do not know. The Chairman. What about Mr. Crane? How much did he con- tribute in those years? Mr. Boeschenstein. I do not know. I can not recall any of those contributions. The Chairi^ian. He is a citizen of Illinois, is he not? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2121 Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Cpiairman. Have you many Democrj^ts like Mr. Crane? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. ^ _ The Chairman. He contributed, in 1912, $40,000. That was not so hard to get along with, was it? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. No. I wish he would come back and con- tribute another $40,000. The Chairman. Well, he has an ambassadorship now, has he not? Maybe he will. And R. T. Crane, jr. He seems to be another. Do you know how much he contributed? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. Did it go to you ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not recall. The Chairman. In 1912, that is. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not recall that. The Chairman. That was $5,000. Thomas D. Jones contributed that year $10,000 and David B. Jones, of Chicago, $10,000. So there is $65,000 from three or four gentlemen. You really do not have such a hard time after all, do you, coupled with the postmasters and the Federal officials ? (No response.) The Chairman. But the truth of it is that both parties raise prac- tically all the money they can and spend it in elections in the State of Illinois? (No response.) The Chairinian. Well, that is all. Senator Spencer. Mr. Boeschenstein, those contributions that Mr. Crane, Mr. Jones, and others made, I understood you to say, did not come to 3^ou personally? Mr. Boeschenstein. No, sir. Senator Spencer. Well, are there other agencies collecting besides you ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I usually appoint a finance committee for Chi- cago, and this finance committee selects a chairman, and the finance committee here cooperates with us at headquarters in collecting money. Now, there are people in every community who prefer to §ive their contributions to New York to giving them in their own tate. Mr. Crane, Mr. Jones, and others preferred to give them to New York, and therefore we did not get those contributions. Senator Spencer. AYell, then, would there be three avenues of col- lection in your party in Illinois ? Mr. Boeschenstein. Oh, no, no. Senator Spencer. Hoav would that be, then ? Mr. Boeschenstein. It is practically one, as the reports show ; the Federal reports show the amounts contributed and the contributois. Senator Spencer. Some of those amounts come to you directly, or through you — through your efforts? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes. Some of them are paid at the western headquarters to our cashier. I do not receive any money, and never handle any money. Senator Spencer. But your cashier is under you ? Mr, Boeschenstein. The cashier is under the chairman and my- self. 2122 PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Spencer. Under the chairman and yourself ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. Senator Spencer. Well, now, what comes through the finance com- mittee, you consider that as part of your collections ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. The money that comes through the finance committee is considered as a part of the collection of the bureau. Understand, a bureau is organized here — a finance bureau. We se- lect a cashier or custodian of the money and a director, and then we get a bookkeeper and one or two stenographers. Now, these people have charge of the finance bureau. They look after the finances. We are merely supernumeraries. Senator Spencer. And that finance bureau is a part of your organi- zation here ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. It is a part of my organization, and also a part of the national organization. Senator Spencer. Exactly. But those who contribute directly to New York, or through New York — that does not go through your finance bureau ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. Senator Spencer. So that there would be two methods of contrib- uting, as you say. Some would prefer to contribute directly to New York. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. And some here. Senator Spencer. And some contribute through your finance com- mittee ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. But the report made to the Govermnent shows those contributions. Senator Spencer. Both of them ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. Senator Spencer. Mr. Boeschenstein, did you say you had no list of postmasters ? Mr. Boeschenstein. No. Senator Spencer. To whom you sent these letters ? Mr. Boeschenstein. No, sir. Senator Spencer. These letters are dated in J anuary Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. Senator Spencer (continuing). February, March, and April? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. Senator Spencer. Of 1920? Mr. Boescpienstein. Yes. Senator Spencer. That is, of this year. Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes ,sir. Senator Spencer. Had you commenced your financial campaign as far back as that ? ^ Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. Senator Spencer. When did you commence it? Mr. Boeschenstein. We figured in January and February, in the early part of the year, that we wanted to get out a bulletin. We had been getting out a bulletin in Illinois for years, and we had been get- ting out plate matter for the newspapers, and we figured then that we would inaugurate a campaign and raise enough money in order to support this campaign. You know, the money for these purposes— that is, usually it is — the money for these purposes is contributed PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2123 by passing the hat, and we figured that if we could get contributions of several thousand dollars, we would start our bulletin, a good deal like some other States have, and get out this plate matter. Senator Spencer. I see. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. And that was the reason for these letters. Xow, that was not very successful. The responses were very few. Then, I gave it up. After Mr. Sullivan's death I figured then that we ought to revive the thing, and we started in to try to get the money to put this thing on its feet, and, of course, we had the primary expenses and the other expense that the State committee had, and part of this money went to the State committee for their expenses. Senator Spencer. What business are you in, Mr. Boeschenstein ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I am president of the Edwardsville National Bank. Senator Spencer. What? Mr. Boeschenstein. President of a bank. Senator Spencer. President of a bank ; a banker. Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. Senator Spencer. Be good enough to tell me this, Mr. Boeschen- stein : If you had no list of postmasters, if you did not send these letters to postmasters as postmasters, how did it happen that these letters to Mr. Coffman, who is a Kepublican, but a postmaster, hap- pened to be sent to him ? Mr. Boeschenstein. I can explain this one in this way; that happens frequently — or, pardon me. That happens every once in a while, and that comes about in this way : We send letters to known Democrats, of different localities, and in those letters we ask them to suggest to us names of others whom they think should contribute to the campaign. The chances are that somebody — whoever it was — in that county or in that district furnished us this name. It has hap- pened before, that once in a while we wake up the wrong passenger, and find that we have sent a letter to a Eepublican, and he sends us back a roast instead of a contribution. Senator Spencer. That probably means that your local corre- spondent, in the county where this Mr. Coffman lives, evidently thought that a man who was occupying his position Mr. Boeschenstein. That a man who held a postmastership ought to put up? Senator Spencer. Yes ; and sent you his name. Mr. Boeschenstein. And, if you ask me what I personally think about it, I think he ought to or he ought to get out. Senator Spencer. That is all. Senator Pomerene. And if the Republicans should be successful at the coming election, they will get out? Mr. Boeschenstein (continuing). And I am in favor of throwing every one of them out. The Chairman. You had better get them ready. Now, you say you pass the hat? Mr. Boeschenstein. Yes, sir. The Chairman. I called you attention to some of your contribu- tors of 1912, which you spoke about having such diffiuclty, but I see I omitted some. Mr. Boeschenstein. Would you niind if I saw that list? Maybe I can give you some information. 2124 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Well, I will call your attention to it. Mr. Pea- body, of Chicago? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chaikman. $6,450. Did that come through you? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. I think it did; yes, sir. The Chairman. Is that the coal man here ? Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I bclieve he has some connection with some coal companies here. The Chairman. He is in the coal business ? Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. The coal barons are not all in the Republican Party, then. Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I think he is a partner of Fred Upham. The Chairman. He is a partner of Upham's. John Barton Payne ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. $15,000. Mr. BOESCHENSTEIN. I think that came through me. The Chairman. Did that come through you ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I think so. The Chairman. Mr. Sullivan, $5,000. He is dead now. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. That came through me. The Chairman. Mr. B. M. Winston, $10,000. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. That came through me, I think. The Chairman. That came through you? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Pardou me, now. It came through our com- mittee. The Chairman. Now, then, refreshing your memory, do you know whether the Crane one came through you ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. Or the Jones one? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I do not think it did. Senator Pomerene. Let me interrupt to ask a question right there, please; just to clear up something that was suggested. When you say " our committee," do you mean the national Democratic commit- tee or do you mean this bureau ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN, It was paid through the bureau, at the na- tional headquarters. The Chairman. Through the bureau at national headquarters? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Is that true of the Jones subscriptions? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No ; I am inclined to think the Jones sub- scription was paid in New York. The Chairman. It came through you, you say? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No ; paid in New York, I think, the Jones subscription. The .Chairman. Oh. Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I think the Crane and Jones subscriptions were made in New York. The Chairman. But you had the use of the money out here? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Or we got some other money in place of it. The Chairman. So here are eight gentlemen in Illinois, eight Illinois Democrats in 1912, who gave, as I figure it, $106,000. PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2125 Mr. BoEscHENSTEiN. That is about the amount that my congres- sional district is expected this year to contribute to the Republican campaign. The Chairman. Yes. ^Ir. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. The Chair3iax. How many of these gentlemen secured positions? ^fr. BoESCHENSTETN. I do uot kuow that. I did not appoint any- body. I could not? The Chairman. You can not? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. I could not. The Chairman. Did you recommend any of them ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. No, sir. The Chairman. If you were to ])ass tlie hat to tliose who are still left, you would get a little more than the $1 subscriptions you talk about, probably. That is all. I am much obliged to you, sir. Senator Pomerexe. Did you give your address here for the record ? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. EclwardsA^lle, 111. The Chairman. Edwardsville? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And you are president of what bank? Mr. BoESCHENSTEiN. The Edwardsville National Bank. Senator Pomerene. All right. (Witness excused.) FURTHER TESTIMONY OF MR. FRED W. UPHAM. (The witness, previously sworn, was recalled and further testified.) The Chair^ian. You have been sworn once, have you not, Mr. Upham ? Mr. Upham. I have. Now, I was asked by this committee to bring in mv statement from January 1, 1919, to the time we closed our books, June 12, 1920. The Chairman. Now, wait. This runs from where to where? Mr. Upham. My statement really runs from December 1. You asked me from January 1. . The Chairman. December? Mr. Upham. 1918 ; because that is when we started our new books, after the congressional election. The Chairman. Up to what time ? Mr. Upham. Up to June 12. The Chairman. 1920? Mr. Upham. Yes; I was on the stand the other day and made a full statement of all receipts [ind expenditures from June 14 to Au- gust 26, which was just a few days up to the last accounting date I had, up to the time I was called. From December 1, 1918, to June 12, 1920 — these figures were given in Mr. Hays's statement the other day, as your record will show, all of these figures. Senator Pomerene. June 12, 1920? Mr. Upham. Yes; the contributions to the national committee Tvere $1,365,897.49. The contributions to the State committees where a joint arrangement was had with them were $469,456.21. There -'^vf^. 18.518 contributors. Senator Spencer. How many? 182774— 20— PT 15 3 2126 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Upham. Eighteen thousand five hundred and fifteen. The av- erage is $99.13. I have had a complete copy made of every subscrip- tion. The Chairman. You present that ? Mr. Upham. I present that. (The document was marked " Upham's Exhibit A," of September 10, 1920, and appears in the record at p. — .) Mr. Upham. In that copy you will find that there are 39 subscrib- ers, totaling $108,000, or an average of $2,769.23, that are over Senator Pomerene. That first figure again, please. Mr. Upham. There are 39 subscribers. Senator Pomerene. Yes. Mr. Upham. Totaling $108,000, or an average of $2,769.13, that contributed over $1,000. There was one subscription of $9,000. Senator Pomerene. Who was that? Mr. Upham. I do not remember the man's name. He was a man from Colorado. The record will show. Senator Pomerene. Now, this record will show? Mr. Upham. Yes; this record will show Avho it is. It was a man I have never heard of before. He understood, so I heard, that The Chairman. Have you not testified to all this before ? Mr: Upham. No ; I did not. The Chairman. All right, then. Go ahead. Mr. Upham. I have never testified to this. Senator Pomerene. He did not testify to that at all. Mr. Upham. I have never testified to a thing before the conven- tion. The Chairman. You have not testified to anything before the con- vention ? Mr. Upham. Not a thing. The Chairman. Well, now, that is all right. Go ahead. Mr. Upham. The statement I made the other day was starting with June 14, and at the top of the paper I handed over, Senator, it showed that it was from June 14 to August 6 very clearly The Chairman. And this shows the date previous to that? Mr. Upham. I do not think Senator Reed quite understood it. He told me afterwards he understood my statement at that time was a complete statement ; but I do not see how there could have been any misunderstanding about it. Senator Pomerene. I had in mind to ask you about that, and I overlooked it when you were on the stand. Mr. Uhpam. Yes. Senator Spencer. Well, who was it that testified to that preconven- tion amount, Mr. Upham ? Mr. Upham. This part is all in Hays's testimony. Senator Spencer. Hays's testimony? Mr. Upham. Yes. Hays, when he was on the stand, testified to the amount that was received. He did not go into detail, of course ; he did not give the subscription list, and he did not give the cash count ; but he did give the 12,000 contributors and the 8 that were over $1,000, 1 remember distinctly. He testified to that. The Chairman. Right there, before you get away from that: At the time you opened your new books, concerning which you testified before, how much of this money was left ? I think we have that, but I would like to get it again to make certain. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2127 Mr. Upham. $296,000, with $100,000 of debts, which made $196,000 net. The Chairman. $196,000 net? Mr. Upham. Yes. The Chairman. You spent all of this except $196,000? Mr. Upham. Yes. sir. That is. at the time we closed the books June 12. The Chairman. Xow, here is a summary of these subscriptions by States, showing what went to the national committee and what went to the State committees of that $1,800,000. (The document was marked " Upham's Exhibit B," of Sept. 10, 1920, and is attached hereto:) Upham's Exhibit B. Dcceiuher 1, 1918, to June 12, 1920. Contributions to Republican national committee $1, 365, 897. 49 Contributions to State campaign committees where joint ar- rangement is had with them 469, 456. 21 Total J 1, 835, 353. 70 Eighteen thousand five hundred and fifteen contributors; average, $99.13. Senator Pomerexe. Let me understand you, Mr. Upham. Mr. Upham. Yes. Senator Pomerexe. You mean by that answer, the statement you have made, to apply to contributions and disbursements prior to June 14, 1920? Mr. Upham. I am specifyino: from the list right now. Senator Pomerexe. I understand. The Chairmax^. Your testimon}^ is all confined to that ? Mr. Upham. Yes, sir. You have my testimony, now, from June 14 on, already in the record. Xow, I will submit also the finance statem.ent, as of that period, showing that on December 1, 1918, we had cash on hand. $43,000. (The document was marked " Upham's Exhibit C," of Sept. 10, 1920, and is attached hereto.) Upham's Exhibit C. Statement of cash receipts and disbursements, December 1, 1918, to June 12, 1920. Dec. 1, 1918 : Cash on hand and working funds $43, 048. 17 Contributions received for national committee- 1, 365, 897. 49 Contributions received for States where joint working arrangement is had with them 469, 456. 21 Received on loans 335, 000. 00 Miscellaneous receipts, interest, refunds, etc__ 8, 777. 60 Total receipts $2, 222, 179. 47 Disbursements — Returned to States 469, 456. 21 Repayment of loan, prior campaign 50, 000. 00 Repayment of loans 235, 000. 00 Publicity, speakers, headquarters, and gen- eral expense 1, 171. 101. 99 Total disbursements 1,925,558.20 June 12, 1920 : Cash on hand and working funds 296, 621. 27 Loans remaining unpaid 100, 000, 00 2128 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Upha.m. You will find on the other side that we owed $50,000, so we were really $7,000 to the " red/' That was pretty close. Here IS the amount of contributions received, as I have fust read; the amount of loans; the amount that was repaid on loans; and the amount the national committee had expended. 000 Chairman. What is this item, " Repayment of loans, $235,- Mr. Upham. Money that had been— it shows that I borrowed The Chairman. $335,000? Mr. UiHAM. $335,000. The Chairt^ian. And you paid $100,000? Mr. ITpHAiNr. I paid all but $100,000. There were loans remaining, now, when we opened the books, of $100,000 unpaid. The Chairman. I would like to ask you, Mr. Upham : In a gen- eral way^ these disbursements for postage, speakers, headquarters, etc., $1,171,101.99— what does that cover? It seems to me a large item. Mr. ITpHAM. Of course, Mr. Hays can answer that better than I can. It covered all the expenses of the national committee from De- cember 1 until June 12; that is, covering a period — that would be January, February, March, April, May — it would be eighteen and a half months. The Chairman. Well, there was no campaign on. Mr. Upham. There was with Will Hays. The Chairman. Always a campaign? Mr. Upham. Yes; all the time. The Chairman. Getting ready? Mr. Upham. He had headquarters, active headquarters, in active operation, at Washington, New York, Chicago, and at San Francisco all during that time. The Chairman. A year before the convention? Mr. UiHAM. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you had speakers out through the country? Mr. Upham. We had what w^as known as the Chautauqua bureau. The Chairman. What was the Chautauqua bureau? Mr. Upham. I think those were speakers that were sent out to Chautauqua meetings throughout the country. The Chairman. Paid for by the Republican national committee? Mr. Upham. Paid for by the Republican national committee, to spread Republican doctrine. The Chairman. Well, let me see; did you have an arrangement with the Chautauqua bureau to furnish Chautauqua speakers ? Mr. Upham. I did not. I am only the treasurer, and I made no such arrangement. The Chairman. Well, do you know that there was such an ar- rangement ? Mr. Upham. I know that I paid the money out for it. The Chairman. You paid out money for speakers? Mr. Upham. No; I paid it out to the bureau. These matters were all budgeted. The Chairman. Let us get that, now. Suppose somebody was go- ing out to address a Chautauqua, to have Republican days. The ex- penses of that speaker, and his compensation, were taken care of by the national committee? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2129 Mr. Upham. Taken care of through Dr. Ellis, who is at the head of the Chautauqua bureau. Senator Pomerene. Doctor who? Mr. Upham. Dr. Ellis. My only contact was with Dr. Ellis. I had nothing to do with the selection or the appointment of men. I have all of the vouchers, because he had to furnish me, as every one else did, with a voucher for every dollar spent. The Chaieman. Well, this bureau took care of the payment of tliese men ? Mr. Upham. Yes, sir. It is carried on the books as ^ Chautauqua bureau.'' The Chairman. Do you know hoAv many were out in the Chau- tauqua work? Mr. I^PHAM. I have no idea ; none whatever. The Chairman. Did they have Democratic days at these Chau- tauquas, too? Mr. Upham. I understand so. Now, shall I go on with my state- ment? The Chairman. Yes; go ahead. Mr. Upha^i. I have really finished with what you asked me for on that, but if I may — of course, I am simply a plain business treasurer, and lam not making any apologies for the vvay I run my office. We knoAv what we are doing every day of the week. 1 have got as good an auditor as there is in the country, because he is the auditor of the company of which I am the president, the Consumers' Co. I bor- rowed him for the time being, without salary, to keep what we call — or to raise the red flag any time when we are getting to a danger point on expenditures on any budgeted item. Senator Pomerene. And vou assume the entire responsibilitv for the Mr. Upham. I do, and proud of it. I think when the Democratic Party reorganizes their finance department on proper lines they will adopt our system. I believe to-day that as a business man T could get the job from the Democratic national committee of running their finances. I know when the party wants to get a convention for Chi- cago they always select me chairman of the committee and send me down to try to get it for them. The Chairman. And you seem to jienerally ham. I have tried to be as frank as I know how. The Chaieman. AA'hat is the question? Mr. Upham. There is no question. He has asked me to produce this, and we are both agreed that I am to produce it, so, as far as I am concerned The Chaieman. That is, to produce what? Senator Pomeeene. The items of publicity, speakers, headquarters, and general expenses. The Chaieman. Do you mean as he has expended it here? Senator Pomeeene. Yes ; since June 12, 1920. The Chaieman. What is there about that, Mr. Upham, that is particularly unfair? He doesn't ask you for specific details, but ]ust the amount. Mr. Upham. No; he has asked for how much the committee has spent for publicity since it has started this campaign, and how much the committee has spent for headquarters since it has started this campaign, and how much it has spent for speakers. Now, I should think it would be quite valuable to the enemy to know just how far we have gone on that matter. I think Will IJays would like to know just what the Democratic plan is, and how much they have spent. Senator Pomeeene. Well, let me say to you, Mr. Upham : Perhaps I have got a different idea of this matter of public politics than some. In my judgment if any speaker is going out in the Republican cause, or the Democratic cause, at so much per diem, his hearers have got a right to know that fact. 2146 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Upham. Well, you know why I asked the question? Senator Pomerene. Why, of course, I know why you asked it. Mr. Upham. I asked it as one gentleman asks another. Senator Pomerene. I recognize that, and I am not finding any fault with you personally in the matter. Mr. Upham. Yes; I am the bookkeeper and the collector — that is all. Senator Pomerene. Yes ; I have not asked for the details, although I could go on and ask that if I wished. But I will leave that for the committee to determine. Senator Spencer. Well, I see no objection to him giving that. Will you give him that general information that he asks, Mr. Upham, if you have it? Mr. Upham. Very well ; I will give it to him. Senator Spencer. It is perfectly within our poAver to ask for that. Mr. Upham. Oh, yes; it is within your power to ask for that. Senator Spencer. Yes ; it is within our power to ask for that. Mr. Upham. Of course, it has all got to be filed some time any- way. Senator Spencer. Yes. Mr. Upham. I filed at the end of the congressional campaign a report of every dollar which was received, who it was received from, and every voucher issued, and who it was issued to. The Chairman. Let me ask you a question in connection Senator Pomerene. Just let me ask a question. I am about through. I recognize the fact that a good many of these speakers can not afford to pay their expenses, etc., and I find no fault with that, but when they are paid for their services the public ought to know it. Mr. Upham. Yes. Senator Pomerene. I think that is all. The Chairman. That is all, Mr. Upham. Senator Reed. There are some exhibits. Senator Pomerene. Mr. Upham, just one moment. I don't believe these exhibits which you presented have been formally entered in the record. Let the record show this : I offer for the record the itemized statement of the contributions from December 1, 1918, to June 12, 1920, which has been presented by Mr. Upham, as Upham Exhibit A of this date. (Upham Exhibit A is attached hereto.) Upham Exhibit A of September 10, 1920. Contributions to Republican national committee, Jan. 1, 1919, to June 12, 1920 $1, 342, 422. 49 Also including: contributions for State committees where joint working arrangement is had with them, Jan. 1, 1919, to June 12, 1920 469, 456. 21 [Note. — By order of the committee, the names of all contributors less than $100 were not printed. — Printing Clerk.] RepuUican national committee — Treasurer's offlce — Detailed statement of re- ceipts. ARKANSAS. Mar. 2, 1920: C. H. Harding. Fort Smith K. B. Campbell, Helena C. C. Gunnels, Little Rock $100. 00 125. 00 100. 00 PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2147 Mar. 2, 1920— Continued. A. C. Remmel, Little Rock $100. 00 H. L. Remmel, Little Rock • 500. 00 Jacob Shaiil, Marlanna 100.00 A. W. Campbell, Scotts 100. 00 A. J. Russell, Berryville 100. 00 T. S. Grayson, Magnolia 100.00 O. C. Harris, Morrillton 100.00 J. H. Butler, Van Buren 100.00 A. A. Tindall, Stuttgart 100.00 Oak H. Rhodes 250,00 Mar. 20, 1920 : J. K. Jones, Harrison 100.00 R. L. Granger, Harrison 100.00 John I. AVorthington, Harrison 100. 00 Dr. J. L. Sims, Harrison 100. 00 H. C. Wade, Batesville, Independence County 100.00 Apr. 1. 1920: Cos. Altenbert, Little Rock 100.00 G. E. Owen, Conway, Faulkner County 100.00 R. E. Lee Wilson, Wilson 100.00 Apr. 3, 1920: T. J. Sharum, Walnut Ridge 100. 00 W. J. Jefferies, Clarendon 100. 00 Frank AVeldin, Piggott 173.75 Apr. 16, 1920: Charles N. Rix, Hot Springs 125. 00 Apr. 24, 1920 : J. C. Russell, Berryville (various small sums) 145.50 F. W. Tucker, Clover Bend 100. 00 Luxor Lumber Co.. Luxor 117. 50 R. W. Fullerton, Warren 100. 00 J. A. Purdue, Pine Bluff 100.00 Benjamin Emmons, Brinkley 100. 00 W. W. Moore, Jasper 200. 00 George L. Mallory, Little Rock 100. 00 Guy W. Caron, Little Rock 100. 00 R. Carnahan, Pine Bluff 100. 00 May 1, 1920 : C. W. Gates, Fordyce 250.00 E. W. Gates. Crossett 100. 00 B. F. Thompson, Little Rock 100. 00 J. F. Butler, Warren 100. 00 O. O. Axley, Warren 100.00 W. D. Foster, Gravette 100. 00 Robert E. Fuhr, Paragould 150.00 H. C. Wade, Batesville 112.50 W. S. Hubble, Newport 312.50 E. B. Ray, Carlisle 275. 00 R. B. Campbell, Helena 375. 00 C. R. French, Harrisburg 180. 00 V. W. Jackson. Russellville 145.00 Lincoln Republican League, Little Rock 500. 00 B. F. Campbell, Fayetteville 200.00 O. J. Harkey, Ola 400. 00 C. N. Rix, Hot Springs 125. 00 May 8, 1920 : H. B. Allen Sickle, Stuttgart 100.00 Charles T. Abeles, Little Rock 1 100. 00 June 6, 1920 : D. F. Taylor and S. E. Simonson, Osceola 121. 00 H. L. Remmel, Newport 100.00 A. C. Rfemmel, Little Rock 200. 00 J. A. Ginocchio, Little Rock 200. 00 2148 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. CALIFORNIA. Mixr. 2, 1920: G. A. Huffaker, Van Nuys $100.00 W. P. Whitsett, Van Nuys 100. QQ O. B. Hnble, Vim 'Nuys 100.00 Lewis E. Bliss, Van Nuys 100. 00 F. J. Dottentlialer, Van Nuys 100. 00 A. J. Crookshank, Santa Ana 12.5. 00 Dr. C. D. Ball, Santa Ana 100. 00 George I- Cochran. Los Angeles, Cor. 6th & Olive 250. 00 .John B. Miller, Los Angeles, Edison Electrical Co 250. 00 Mar. 8, 1920: H. .Tevne, 6th & Broadway. Los Angeles 100. 00 • Loren D. Sale, 381 S. Ardmore St., Los Angeles 100. 00 S. Edwin Sullivan, 1769 El Cerrito PL, Los Angeles 100. 00 L. Schiff, 434 Lorraine Blvd., Los Angeles 100. 00 ' Mrs. Rose W. Baruch. 1407 S. Figuero St., Los Angeles 100. 00 I>r. Wi'Jter Lindley, Los Angeles, 1414 S. Hope St 100.00 Jos. F. Sartori. Los Angeles, Securitv Trust & Sav. Bank 3(X). 00 Mar. 9, 1920: Thomas Maclay, D & 6th Sts., Petaluma 100. 00 H. B. Highbee, 758 D Street, Petaluma 100. 00 J. W. Elder, A. & 6th Sts.. Petaluma 100. 00 Mar. 12, 1920: Dr. AValter Lindley,- 1414 S. Hope St., Los Angeles 100. 00 Jos. F. Sartori, Security Trust & Sav. Bk.. Los Angeles 300. 00 John H. Rosseter, San Francisco 1, 250. 00 Mrs. ,Tohn H. Rosseter. San Francisco 1, 250. 00 Wm. C. Van Antwerp, San Francisco 1.000.00 Mar. 18, 1920: M. Elsasser. 626 Security Bldg., Los Angeles 100. 00 W. J. Pearson, 620 Haas Bldg., Los Angeles 100. 00 J. G. Bullock. 7th & Bdwy., Los Angeles KK). 00 Mar. 23, 1920: Mr. Daniel (;. Jacknian. Hobart Bldg., San Francisco (also 25 Broad St., New York Cit.v ) 1,000.00 R. J. Hnnna. Standard Oil Bldg., San Francisco 100. (K) H. M. Storey, Standard Oil Bldg., San Francisco 100.00 K. R. Kingsbury, Standard Oil Bldg., San Francisco 100.00 Sidney M. Ehrnian, 713 Nevada Bank Bldg., San Froncisco 500. 00 A. Mack, 350 Mi ls Bldg., San Francisco - 100.00 E. J. Pringle. Mills Bldg., San Francisco 100. 00 . Leopold Michels, 740 iMission St., San Francisco 100.00 Oscar Sutro, Standard Oil Building, San Francisco 100.00 John S. Cravens, Los Angeles City 250. 00 H. J. Evans, Monrovia 100.00 James Irvine, Tustin 250. fMl Mar. 31, 1920: Richard Heimann, 584 Mission St., San Francisco 100.00 C. W. Smith, 35 Second St., San Francisco 200. 00 C. F. Michaels, 42 First St., San Francisco 200. 00 J. J. Mack, 351 Mills Bldg., San Francisco 100. 00 E. C. Voorhies, Humboldt Bk. B dg., San Francisco 100. O'J J. C. Van Eck, 343 Sansome St., San Francisco 250. 00 H. D. Loveland, Flood Bldg., San Francisco 350. 00 E. F. Hutton, 409 California St., San Francisco i 100. 00 Grover A. IMagnin. care of I. Magnin & Co., San Francisco 100.00 Apr. 1, 1920: J. G. Hittinger, Mission Rd. & Haskell, San Fernando 100. 00 F. M. AVrigiit, San Fernando 100.00 Apr. 6, 1920: Benjamin H. Dibblee, 800 IMontgomery St. ,San Francisco 100.00 Messrs. Girvin & INlillers, Kohl Bldg., San Francisco 100.00 Apr. 13, 1920: W. J. Lorino-, (^rockei- Bldg., San Francisco 100.00 Apr. 14, 1920: R. J. Taussig, 1521 Van Ness Ave., San Francisco 2oO. 00 Benjamin Harwood, Torrance 100. 00 It- PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2149 Apr. 19, 1920: Louis Monteagle, San Francisco $1,000.00 C. Frederick Kohl, Koli: Bklg:., San Francisco ' 100. 00 Sutro & Co., 410 Montgomery St., San Francisco 100. Oa W. G. Aldenhagen, 444. Market St., San Francisco 250. 00 William Kaufmann. the Emporium 100.00 Apr. 21. 1920: E. B. Noble, ITtli & Mississippi St., San Francisco 200. 00 Warren K. Porter, Sharon Bldg., San Francisco 100.00 May 3, 1920 : C. A. Kimble, Han ford .500. 00 IMay 4, 1920 : Morris Stulsaft. 647 Mission St., San Francisco 100. 00 H. T. Lally, 2nd & Tehama Sts., San Francisco 100. 00 R. W. Kinney, 586 Howard St., San Francisco 100. 00 Francis J. Baker. 599 Mission St., San Francisco 100. 00 Andrew Dalziel, 556 Mission St., San Francisco 100. 00 Henry Morris, 6th & Bluxome Sts., San Francisco 100. 00 C. W. Weld, 2nd &. Brannan Sts., San Francisco 100. 00 Alfred Alexis Ehrman, 2.30 California St., San Francisco 100. 00 G. M. Whitaker, 615 4th St., San Francisco 100. 00 May 11, 1920: Thos. Flint, Hollister 101.50 G. H. Umbsen, 2384 Pacific Ave.. San Francisco 500. 00 K. M. Tobin, Hibernia Bank, San Francisco 250.00 W. A. S. Foster, Willits 200. 00 Mav 26. 1920 : J. K. Knowland, Oakland 250. 00 June 8, 1920: H. W. Frank, 437 So. Spring St., Los Angeles 125. 00 COLORADO. Mar. 27, 1920: Henry McAllister, jr., 420 Equitable Bldg., Denver 250.00 Apr. 6, 1920 : C. S. Morey. Sugar Bldg., Denver 1,000.00 Apr. 17, 1920: S. N. Hicks, Bost(m Bldg., Denver 500.00 W. H. Leonard, 18th & Blake Sts., Denver 500.00 Apr. 27, 1920 : AV. A. Hover, 14th & Lawrence Sts., Denver 250.00 William V. Hodges, 14th & Lawi-ence Sts., Denwr 250. 00 Apr. 30, 1920 : Richard Wensley, 18th & Blake Sts., Denver 125. 00 A. D. Lewis. Denver 250. 00 ^fav 3. 1920: John Evans, Denver 250.00 H. Pvalph Antonides, 509 1st Nat. Bank, Denver 250. 00 W. Octave Chanute, Denver 100. 00 Arthur H. Bosworth, Denver 100. 00 Gregg Whitehead & Co., Denver 100. 00 May 10, 1920 : Buckeley Wells, Denver, 201 14th St 1, 200. 00 May 14, 1920 : C. M. MacNeill, Colorado Springs 9,000.00 Mrs. C. M. MacNeill, Colorado Springs 1, 000. 00 May 19, 1920 : A. E. Carlton, Colorado Springs 5,000.00 May 22, 1920 : J. C. Burger, Denver, Hamilton Nat. Bank 125. 00 May 27, 1920 : C. S. Morey, Denver 1,000.00 Chas. Boettcher, Denver 1,000.00 W. L. Petrikin, Denver 1,000.00 M. D. Thatcher, Pueblo 1,000.00 Horace Havemeyer, Denver, 129 Front St., N. Y 1, 000. 00 2150 PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. May 28, 1920 : L. Mack Willcox, Denver, 900 Penn St $500 00 June 7, 1920 : Oliver H. Shoup, Colorado Springs, Exchange Nat'l Bank 1, 000. 00 FLORIDA. May 21, 1920 : W. H. Nortlmp, Pensacola, American National Bank 100.00 P. P. Miller, DeFuniak Springs, Cawtlion State Bank 100. 00 GEOEGIA. Feb. 21, 1920 : 0. W. McClure, Atlanta, 65 Whitehall St 100. 00 J. W. Martin, Atlanta, 132 Asliby St. W. E 100. 00 D. O. Newton, Claxton 125. 00 Feb. 28, 1920 : D. C. Sorrels, Monroe 100.00 Mar. 13, 1920 : Chas. J. Moore, Atlanta, Central Bldg , 100. 00 Apr. 3, 1920: ,T. T. Johnson, Athens 101 00 May 22, 1920 : H. G. Hastings, Atlanta .500. 00 G. E. Ricker, Fitzgerald 100. 00 C. W. McClure, Atlanta 100.00 May 28, 1920 : R. N. Berrien, Atlanta, 4th Nat. Bank Bldg 250. 00 IDAHO. Apr. 17, 1920 : C. C. Wilson, Idaho Falls 100.00 Apr. 19, 1920 : Alma Hanson, Teton County 138. 10 Apr. 24, 1920 : F. R. Gooding, Gooding 250.00 John Thomas, Gooding 100. 00 INDIANA. Mar. 12, 1920: A. PI. Beardsley, Elkhart 250. 00 Apr. 27, 1920 : William G. Irwin, Columbus 1, 000. 00 May 8, 1920 : J. R. Johnson, Hartford City 100. 00 B. A. VanWinlde, Hartford City 200. 00 May 14, 1920 : A. C. Crimmel, Hartford City 100. 00 IOWA. Mar. 6, 1920 : L. D. Collins, Knoxville 250.00 F. P. Woodrufe, Knoxville 100. 00 W. O. Finkbine, 703 Fleming Bldg., Des Moines 250. 00 Trust Thompson, 205 Hubbell Bldg., Des Moines 100. 00 Mar. 15, 1920: Wm. O. Harbach, Des Moines, 300 So. 5th St 100. 00 Geo. C. Hargrove, Des Moines, 4th & New York Ave 100. 00 W. G. Vander Ploeg, Knoxville, Marion Co 100. 00 Jas. B. Weaver, Des Moines, 417 C. N. B. Bldg 100. 00 Mar. 22, 1920 : J. L. Sheuerman, Des Moines, Polk Co_-_ 100. 00 W. P. Adams, Sac City, Sac Co 2, 000. 00 Mar. 26, 1920 : Donald D. McCall, Perry, 1716 Willis Ave 100. 00 H. M. & W. H. Pattee, Perry, First National Bank Bldg 100. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGI^ EXPENSES. 2151 INIar. 29, 1920 : G. D. Ellyson, Des Moines, 1019 High St $100.00 M. G. Linn, Des Moines. 8th & Locust 100. 00 C. S. Brads'haw, Des Moines, 3700 Cottage Grove Ave 100. 00 John P. Wallace, Des Moines, H. P. Station 100. 00 A. L. Hager, Des Moines, C. N. B. Bldg 100. 00 S. M. Leach. Atlel 100. 00 Charles Rhinehart, Dallas Center 100. 00 Mar. 31, 1920 : Charles H. Martin, Des Moines 125. 00 Alex Fitzluigh, Des Moines 100. 00 A. O. Hughe, Des Moines 250. 00 Apr. 5, 1920 : Frank P. Flvnn. Peoples Savings Bank, Des Moines 125. 00 Apr. 6, 1920 : L. H. Kurtz, Des Moines '. 125.00 Apr. 17, 1920 : John F. Griffin, Des Moines, 7th & Grand Ave 100. 00 Apr. 26, 1920: O. C. Perrin. Greene 100.00 C. W. Soesbe, Greene ^ 100. 00 H. W. Wilhelms, Parksburg 100.00 J. H. Blair, Des Moines, Iowa Natl 100.00 Harry Blackburn. Des Moines, 3601 Grand Ave 100. 00 Clyde E. Brenton, Des Moines 100. 00 John A. Cavanagh, Des Moines, 315 37th St 2.50. 00 Charles R. Cownie, Des Moines 250. 00 N. Frankel, Des Moines 100.00 John H. Hogan, Des Moines, 3203 Ingersoll 250. 00 Homer A. Miller, Des Moines 100. 00 George E. Pearsall, Des Moines 100. Ou F. C. Waterbury, Des Moines 100. 00 John A. Fleming. Des Moines, Fleming Bldg 100. (X) R. J. Fleming, Des Moines, Fleming Bldg 100.00 Stanhope Fleming, Des Moines, Fleming Bldg 100. 00 Apr. 28. 1920: AV. E. Brice, Mason City, 510 1st Nat'l Bank 250. 00 May 7, 1920: F. E. & B. C. Keeler, Mason City, 19 W. State 500. 00 F. C. Hubbell. Des Moines, Hubbell Bldg 250.00 May 10, 1920: W. E. Pearsall (the Utica Co.), Des Moines 125.00 May 14, 1920: W. A. Pollock, Zearing 100. 00 May 22, 1920 : C. M. Rich, 1221 Grand Ave., Keokuk 250. 00 June 5, 1920: C. H. McNider, Mason City, 1st Natl. Bank of M. C 1, 000. 00 E. H. Hoyt, Manchester 150.00 S. W. Klaus, Earlville 150.00 A. D. Long, Manchester 100.00 L. Matthews, Manchester 100.00 June 10, 1920: F. J. Camp, Des Moines, 330 SW. 5th St 100. 00 M. Rosenfield, Des Moines 150.00 T. I. Stoner, Des Moines, 810 Walnut St 100. 00 ILLINOIS (COOK COUNTY). Mar. 1, 1920 : Frederick R. Vaux, 319 W. Ontario St., Chicago 200. 00 J. A. MacLenn, 1732 North Kolmar Ave., Chicago 100.00 H. Stillson Hart, Railway Exchange Bldg., Chicago 100.00 Edward F. Carry, Railway Exchange Bldg., Chicago 1, 2.50. 00 Egbert H. Gold, Railway Exchange Bldg., Chicago 250. 00 J. J. McCarthy, 535 Railway Exchange Bldg., Chicago 125. 00 D. A. Crawford. Railway Exchange Bldg., Chicago 150. 00 F. R. Spear. Railway Exchange Bldg., Chicago 100. 00 2152 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mar 1, 1920— Coiitiimed. H. M. Byllesby, 208 S. La Salle St., Chicago $1, 000. 00 Robert F. Carr, 332 So. Michigan Ave., Cliicago 250. 00 George R. Carr, 332 So. Michigan Ave., Chicago 250.00 Chas. H. Worcester, 19 S. La Salle St., Chicago 500. 00 Robert J. Thorne, Montgomery Ward Co., Chicago 1, 000. 00 Conrad H. Oppenluisen, 11 S. La Salle Street, Chicago 750. 00 L. S. Tiffany, 125 S. Wabash Ave., Chicago 100. 00 S. T. A. Loftis, 108 N. State St., Chicago 100. 00 Mil r. 2, 1920 : F. G. Thearle, 31 N. State St., Chicago 100.00 .1. W. Clark, 32 S. Wabash Ave., Chicago 100. 00 Aimer Coe, 105 N. Wabash Ave., Chicago 500. 00 C. W. Sherman, 208 So. La Salle St., Chicago 1, 000. 00 Joy Morton, 80 E. Jackson Blvd., Chicago 1. 000. 00 D. A. Rnggio, 2607 Flournoy St., Chicago 100.00 Carl Bauer, 2839 Logan Blvd., Chicago 100. 00 O. Gullicksen, 2119 Churchill St., Chicago 100.00 A. Arthur Zangerle, 4650 Beacon St., Chicago 100. 00 N. M. Green, 1500 N. Halsted St.. Chicago 100. 00 Arial ^Teinrath, 10 S. La Salle St., Chicago 100. 00 Wan-en Wright, 4100 Fillmore St., Chicago 500.00 James C. Cox, Chicago 5, 000. 00 Mar. 11, 1920 : Charles F. Greene, 338 South Michigan Ave., Chicago 250. 00 W. C. Peacock, State and Adams St.. Chicago 250. 00 Charles H. Thorne, 120 Mi< higan Ave., Chicago 500. 00 Mar. 6. 1920 : L. L. Valentine. A. E. Seaver. 1727 Sedg-\vick St., Chicago 100.00 Mar. 12, 1920: Joe Rusnak, 2654 W. North Ave.. (Miicago 100.00 Mar. 15. 1920: Chas. C. Shepard, care Ingalls-Shepard Forg. Co., Harvey 200. 00 F. Baackes, 4932 Lake Park Ave., (liicago 100.00 Mar. 18, 1920: S. M. Evans, Eauie-Picher Lead C^o., 208 S. La Salle St., Chicago. 250.00 Thos. S. Brown, jr.. Eagle-Picher Lead Co., 208 S. La Salle St.. Chicago - 1 250.00 (). S. Pichei-, 208 S. La Salle St., Chicago 500.00 T. S. Fauntlerov. :\I()line Malleable Iron Co., St. Charles 200.00 Mar. 12, 1920: Albert G. Welch, McConuick Bldg.. Chicago 250.00 Henry Schott, Montgomery W^ard & Co., Chicago 500. 00 O. C. S. Olsen, 2527 Moffat St., Chicago lOO 00 Louis Manheimer, 31 N. State St., Chicago 100. 00 Mar. 18, 1920: G. A. Soden, 910 S. iVIichigan Ave.. Chicago 100. 00 Oscar Heineman, 2701 Armitage Ave.. Chicago 1, 000. 00 G. F. Pushman. 16 So. Wabash Ave., Chicago 100.00 A. B. Dick, 736 W. Jackson Blvd., Chicago___ 1, 000. 00 Mar. 20, 1920: .1. W. Embree, 3500 S. Racine Ave., Chicago 2, 000. 00 A. Harris, 35tli & Iron St., Chicago 2. 000. 00 David Strauss, 1105 W. 35th St., Chicago 1, 000. 00 Mar. 22, 1920: T AV. Robinson. 208 South La Sale St., Chicago 300.00 Geo. G. Thorpe, 208 South La Salle St.. Chicago 200. 00 A. F. Shiverick, care of Tobev Furniture Co., Chicago 200. 00 Wm. F. Juergens, 108 North State St., Chicago 250. 00 Mar. 23. 1920: ^ Ernst Hollatz, 3061 Augusta St., Chicago 100. 00 Mar. 25. 1920 : R. M. Eastman. 406 W. Superior St., Chicago ^' D. F. Keller, 732 Sherman St., Chicago lOO. 00 William Sleepeck, 418 S. Market St., Chicago 100. 00 Bert L. White, 1215 Fullerton Ave., Chicago 100. 00 F. Edson White, 208 South La Salle St., Chicago 1, 000. 00 Arthur Meeker, 208 South La Salle St., Chicago 1,000.00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2153 Mar. 25, 1920— Continiietl. R. J. Dunham. 208 South La Salle St.. Chicago $1, 000. 00 J. Ogtlen Arniour, 208 South La Salle St., Chicago 1, 000. 00 Chas. W. Arniour, 208 South La Salle St., Chicago 1, 000. 00 R. P. Lamout, 332 South P.Iichigau Ave., Chicago 500. 00 G. E. Scott, 332 South Michigan Ave., Chicago 250. 00 R. H. Ripley, 332 South Michigan Ave., Chicago 250. 00 Mar. 27, 1920: Sig. C. Fish, 1906 Wabash Ave., Chicago 100. 00 Alex. H. Revell, 141 South Wabash Ave., Chicago 200.00 William A. Eaton, 841 W. 22nd St., Chicago 100. 00 Mar. 29, 1920 : Suman R. Wing, 326 W. Madison Ave.. Chicago 100. 00 James R. Baker, 326 W. Madison Ave., Chicago 1, 000. 00 Arthur A. Burrows. 625-326 W. Madison St., Chicago 100. 00 George E. Keiser, 326 W\ Madison St., Chicago 100. 00 John Q. Syme, 326 W. Madison St., Chicago 100. 00 Mar. 30, 1920: Holabird & Roche, 104 So. Michigan Ave., Chicago 150. 00 D. H. Burnham. 209 So. La Salle St., Chicago 150.00 Herbert Simpleton, 2501 S. Dearborn St., Chicago 100. 00 W. S. Rothschild, 208 W. Sigel St., Chicago 100. 00 R. G. Olson, .5816 So. Lowe Ave., Chicago 100.00 H. C. Niemann. 1801 N. Rockwell St., Chicago 100.00 Apr. 2, 1920 : A. R. Marriott, (Uiicago 100.00 Col. Abel Davis, Chicago 100.00 H. B. Rllev, Chicago 100.00 H. W. Allen, 110 No. Peoria St.. Chicago 250.00 Api-. 5, 1920 : J. W. Forsinger, .31 N. Slate St.. Chicago 100.00 Oliver M. Burton, 2024 S. Racine Ave., Chicago 200. 00 Apr. 6, 1920 : .L E. Clenny, Chicago 1,000.00 .John T. Hardin, Chicacro 1,000.00 Ai>r. 5, 1920 : Clifford B. Ross, 1321 Thorndale Ave.. Chicago 1(X). 00 Leo Straus, 1507 Conway Bldg., Chicago 150.00 W. A. Alexander, Corn Exch. Bk. Bldg., Chicago 200. 00 Marsh & McLennan, Chicag( 250.00 Apr. 6, 1920: H. H. Hitchcock. 39 South La Salle St.. Chicago 500.00 Apr. 9, 1920 : Name lost 100.00 Geo. M. McFedries, 236 So. Robey St., Chicago 100. 00 Geo. M. Seaman, 208 So. La Salle St.. Chicago 1,000.00 E. .L Buffington. 208 So. LaSalle St., (Miicago 500. 00 Apr. 12, 1920 : D. W. Baird, 1026 W. 22nd St., Chicago 100. 00 .lohn R. Morron, 1.34 South LaSalle St., (niicago 500.00 Geo. D. Wolf, 7 So. Dearborn St., Chicago 100. 00 .L Porter .Toplin. 122 So. Michigan Blvd., Chicago 100.00 Apr. 14, 1920 : .Tas. P. Soper. 2204 Loomis St., Chicago 250. 0;> F. E. Bartelme. 2350 Laflin St., Chicago 100. 00 Geo. .L Fanisworth, 80 E. .Jackson Blvd., Chicago 500.00 Apr. 17, 1920 : Ernest Feiiske, 1666 :\[cHenry St., Chicago 100.00 G. H. .Jones. 1105 1st Natl. Bk. Bldg., Chicago 250. 00 Arthur Root, 713 Ivenesaw Tei-race. Chicago 100. 00 Joseph L. Strauss, 22nd and Calumet Ave., Chicago 250. 00 Geo. A. Poole, 85 W. Harrison St., Chicago 1, 000. 00 A. .L Brock, 619 S. LaSalle St., Chicago 200. 00 Fred Fi.scher. 400 No. May St., Chicago 100. 00 Maurice L. Horner, .571 W. Randolph St., Chicago 100. 00 J. W. Embree, 3500 So. Racine Ave., Chicago 500. 00 G. C. Hixon, 717 Monroe Bldg., Chicago 250. 00 L. E. Yauer. 175 W. Jackson Blvd., Chicago : 100.00 2154 PRESIDENTIAL, CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Apr. 20, 1920 : Arthur Young, 105 So. LaSalle St., Chicago $100. 00 A. D. Dornian, 1295 Jefferson St., Chicago 125. 00 J. A. Roesch, jr., 129 So. Jefferson St., Chicago 125. 00 D. R. Hoffman, 129 So. Jefferson St., Chicago 125. 00 F. W. Walters, 129 So. Jefferson St., Cliicago 125. 00 Charles G. Stevens, 33 So. Jefferson St., Chicago 100. 00 H. R. Curran, 127 North Peoria St., Chicago 100. 00 Mandel Lowenstine, 127 North Peoria St., Chicago 100. 00 Chas. Heggie, 644 Sheridan Road, Chicago 100. 00 W. S. Leeds, 2305 So. Halsted St., Chicago 100. 00 Apr. 21, 1920: Samuel B. Steele, 151 W. So. Water St., Chicago 200. 00 Edward L. Wedeles, 151 W. So. Water St., Chicago 200. 00 Hiram McCullough, 39 South La Salle St., Chicago 100. 00 E. M. Adams, 38 So. Dearborn St., Chicago -250. 00 Apr. 23, 1920 : C. R. Whitworth, 10 So. La Salle St., Chicago 100. 00 B. F. Rieman, 2427 So. Michigan Ave., Chicago 100.00 Thomas J. Hay, 2519 So. Michigan Ave., Chicago 125. 00 S. Shmalhauser, 2448 So. Michigan Ave., Chicago 100. 00 H. Pauiman, 2420 So. Michigan Ave., Chicago 125. 00 John E. Beebe, 5333 Wayne Av^nuie, .Chicago 1, 000. 00 D. W. Buchanan, 1114 McCormick Bldg., Chicago 1, 000. 00 Gordon Buchanan, 1114 McCormick Bldg., Chicago 1, 000. 00 George B. Llarrington, 325 Fullerton Parkway, Chicago 500.00 A. B. McLaren, 2017 Fisher Bldg., Chicago 500. 00 Apr. 25, 1920 : H. H. Taylor, 1215 Old Colony Bldg., Chicago 500.00 J. K. Bering, 1914 McCormick Bldg., Chicago 500. 00 G. F. Stahmer, 704 N. 4th Ave., Maywood 300. 00 Joe P. Rend, 633 McCormick Bldg., Chicago 250. 00 Lewis Overholt, 1506 Fisher Bldg., Chicago 100. 00 Paul LI. Manz, 4015 Ravenswood Ave., Chicago 500. 00 L. E. Block, 1105 First Natl. Bk. Bldg., Chicago 250. 00 Apr. 27, 1920 : Edv/ard E. Gore, 53 W. Jackson Blvd., Chicago 100.00 John R. Schofield, 430 AV. Randolph St., Chicago 200. 00 Edward Sheeliy, 430 W. Randolph St., Chicago 100. 00 Marvin B. Pool, 430 W. Randolph St., Chiciigo 275. 00 Charles E. Butler, 430 AV. Randolph St., Chicago 100. OJ Frank S. Cunningham, 430 W\ Randolph St., Chicago 275. 00 Edward B. Butler, 430 W. Randolph St., Chicago 500. 00 Wm. A. Ii-vine, 5864 Magnolia Ave., Chicago 100. 00 J. H. Dion, Loomis & 22nd St.,- Chicago 150. 00 F. De. Anguera, 1101 Conway Bldg., Chicago 100. 00 H. H. Hettler, 2601 Elston St., Chicago 1, 000. 00 L. E. Rollow, 341 E. 130th PL, Chicago 100. 00 F. H. A. C. Howes, 545 W. 71st St., Chicago 100. 00 S. J. DeVries, 842 W. 47th Place, Chicago,^ 100. 00 V. F. Mashek, 2201 S. Laflin St., Chicago 500. 00 Edward L. Thornton, 2315 Elston Ave., Chicago 250. 00 L. B. Lesh, 140 So. Dearborn St., Chicago 100. 00 Theo. Fathauer, 1428 Cherry St., Chicago 100. 00 H. F. Brand, 2415 Barry Ave., Chicago 100. 00 Wood Beal, 1750 McCormick Bldg., Chicago 250. 00 Chas. W. Tegtmeyer, 1800 So. Canal St., Chicago 100. 00 John J. Schillo, 1560 Kingsbury Ave., Chicago 100. 00 Hej-man Paepcke, Conway Building, Chicago 1, 500. 00 C. B. Willey, 2558 So. Robey St., Chicago 500. 00 O. F. Crane, 913 W. 22nd St., Chicago 100. 00 David G. Maxwell, 44th St. & Racine Ave., Chicago 100. 00 B. F. Masters, 2279 So. Union Ave., Chicago 100. 00 Wm. Nussbaum, 2119 W. 48th St., Chicago 100. 00 W. F. Kurz, 13.59 No. Branch St., Chicago 100. 00 A. K. INIaxwell, 2200 So. Morgan St., Chicago 100. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2155 Apr. 27, 1920— Continued. C. F. Gooclwillie, 22nd St. & Racine Ave., Cliicago $100. 00 Frank J. Burns, 700 W. Chicago Ave., Chicago 300. 00 Francis Beidler, 20 W. Jackson Blvd., Chicago 250. 00 John Claney, 2424 So. Laflin St., Chicago 200. 00 J. H. Touclistone, 22nd & Canal Streets, Chicago 100. 00 Gardner & Carton, 76 West Monroe St., Chicago 100. 00 Nathan William MacChesney, 30 No. La Salle St., Chicago 250. 00 Adelor J. Petit, 76 W. Monroe St., Chicago 100. 00 Charles Aaron, 76 W. Monroe St., Chicago 100. 00 Michael Gess, 76 W. Monroe St., Chicago 100. 00 Thaddeus O. Bunch, 113 West Monroe St., Chicago 100. 00 Chapman Cutler & Parker, 111 W. Monroe St., Chicago 100. 00 Apr. 29, 1920 : A. G. Frost & F. J. Winslow, 1662- 53 W. Jackson Blvd 100. 00 Robert O. Law, 633 Plymouth Ct.. Chicago 250. 00 J. F. Schurch, 122 So. Michigan Blvd., Chicago 250. 00 Martin Beck, 122 W. Monroe St., Chicago 100.00 Ezra J. Warner, 600 West Erie St., Chicago 300. 00 William F. Bode, 314 N. Clark St., Chicago 250. 00 May 3, 1920 : C. A. Bickett. 1260 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 500. 00 Charles I. Pierce, 1221 Peoples Gas Bldg., Chicago 500. 00 D. E. McMillan, 2422 Orrington Ave., Evans 125. 00 J. P. McMillan, 1720 Asbury Ave., Evanston 125. 00 Lorin W. Jones, 925 Foster Ave., Chicago 200. 00 L. Komanski, 37 W. Van Buren St., Chicago 100. 00 John M. Dilhivou, 715 Old Colony Bldg., Chicago 500. 00 J. P. McParland, 22nd & Laflin Streets, Chicago 100. 00 J. J. Bryant, 1241 So. State St., Chicago 150. 00 Albert Nason, 1380 Old Colony Bldg., Chicago 250. 00 May 5, 1920 : A. R. Barnes, 1100 Wabash Ave., Chicago 250. 00 Dyreuforth, Lee Chritton & Wiles, 1508 Marquette Bldg 100. 00 May 7, 1920 : Bruce MacLeish, 300 West Adams St., Chicago 500. 00 Aibert E. Hedstiom. 310 Weslev Ave., Oak Park 100. 00 John T. Pirie, 300 West Adams St., Chicago 1, 000. 00 John W. Scott, 300 West Adams St., Chicago 1, 000. 00 Reuben H. Donnelley, 731 Plymouth Ct., Chicago 500. 00 Thos. E. Finnegan, 332 South Michigan Ave., Chicago 500. 00 H. G. Elfborg, 150 No. Market St., Chicago 200. 00 W. S. Cummings, 332 South Michigan Ave., Chicago 100. 00 George E. Van Hagen, 80 E. Jackson Blvd., Chicago 1, 000. 00 J. R. Histed, 1615 So. Michigan Ave., Chicago ^ 125. 00 W. J. Carney, 76 W. Monroe St., Chicago ^ 250. 00 H. B. Clow, 538 So. Clark St., Chicago 350. 00 A. McNally, 538 So. Clark St., Chicago 350. 00 Gustav Hessert, 538 So. Clark St., Chicago 300. 00 Thomas E. Donnelley, 731 Plymouth Court, Chicago 500. 00 May 10, 1920: C. R. Da.shiell, 2412 Michigan Ave., Chicago 100. 00 Cha.s. W. Higley, 175 W. Jackson Blvd.. (Uiicago 100.00 P. D. Block, 1105 First Nat. Bk. Bldg., ( 'liicago ^ 250. 00 May 11, 1920: Oscar B. McGlasson, 251 E. Grand Ave., Chicago 200.00 C. R. Fuller, 245 So. Wabash Ave., Chicago 250. 00 E. H. Uhl, 329 So. Wabash Ave., Chicago 250. 00 Aibert N. Page. 25 E. Jackson Blvd 250. 00 Frank Story, 317 S. Wabash Ave., Chicago 250. 00 A. G. Gulbransen, 3232 W. Chicago Ave., Chicago 200. 00 Chas. Smith, 1872 Clybourne Ave., Chicago 100. 00 Otto Schulz, 711 Milwaukee Ave., Chicago 100. 00 H. C. Dickinson. 323 S. Wabash Ave., Chicago 100. 00 C. N. Kimball, 308 S. Wabash Ave., Chicago 658. 72 Geo. W. Dowling, 301 S. Wabash Ave., Chicago 500. 00 2156 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. May 14. 1920: B. A. Eckliart, 1300 Carroll Ave., Chicago $1, 000. 00 A. H. Stringe, 2739 W. Chicago Ave., Chicago 100. 00 C. A. Normann, 454 Armour St., Chicago 100. 00 A. E. Pyott, 328 N. Sangamon St., Chicago 100. 00 J. M. Hopkins, 332 S. Michigan Ave., Chicago 750. 00 P. M. Elliott, 332 S. Michigan Ave., Chicago 750. 00 W. W. Darrow, 332 S. Michigan Ave., Chicago 250. 00 W. M. Ryan, 332 S. Michigan Ave., Chicago 1,000.00 W. H. Croft, 80 E. Jackson Blvd., Chicago .500. 00 Mav 18, 1920: Wm. E. Bletsch, 614 W. Austin Ave., Chicago 100.00 Chas. Counsehuan, 112 AV. Adams St., Chicago 100. 00 Lester Carter Co., 209 S. LaSalle St., Chicago 100.00 Hornblower & Weeks, 37 S. LaSalle, Chicago 100. 00 Marshall Field, 112 W. Adams St., Chicago 1.000.00 May 19, 1920 : W. P. Murphy, 20 W. Jackson Blvd., Chicago 500. 00 May 21, 1920 : John W. Gary, 208 S. LaSalle St., Chicago 3,000.00 L. M. Yiles, 80 E. .lackson Blvd., Chicago 500. 00 May 22, 1920 : Louis F. Normast, 1015 N. Halsted St., Chicago M. P. Rutledge, 223 W. S. Water St., Chicago Lawrence Cuneo, 1350 N. LaSalle St., Chicago Andrew Cuneo, 1364 W. State St., Chicago A. F. Murmann, 3929 Addison St., Chicago H. E. Thornburgh, 4803 Sheridan Rd., Chicago F. Wm. Morf, 4210 Greenview Ave., Chicago L. B. Kilbourne, 70 Scott St., Chicago C. K. Knickerbocker, 332 So. Michigan Ave., Chicago P. H. Joyce, 20 W. Jackson Blvd., Chicago F. L. Whitcomb, 332 S. Michigan Ave., Chicago—— Ward W. Willits, 319 W. Ontario St., Chicago May 25, 1920 : Max Hart, 36 S. Franklin St., Chicago 1, 500. 00 M. W. Cresap, 36 S. Franklin St., Chicago 250 00 Alex M. Levy, 36 S. Franklin St., Chicago 2.50. 00 M. Marx, 36 S. Franklin St., Chicago 750. 00 Sara H. Schaffiier, 36 S. Franklin St., Chicago 750. 00 Harry Hart, 36 S, Franklin St.. Chicago 1,500.00 C. A. Weaver, 2943 Washington Blvd., (^hicago 200. 00 E. P. Gridley, 6707 Newgard Ave., Chicago 100. 00 J. S. Hall, 1058 N. Shore Ave., Chicago . 100. 00 L. F. McCullough, 421 N. Oak Park Ave., Oak Park 100. 00 Thos. F. Smith, 6121 Sheridan Road, Chicago 100. 00 Francis W. Bard, 212 West Illinois Street, Chicago 100. 00 May 26, 1920 : B. S. Adams, 41 South La Salle Street, Chicago 270. 00 John Burnham, 41 South La Salle Street, Chicago 375. 00 Chas. H. Scholle. 121 South Wabash Avenue, Chicago 100. 00 J. Ellis Slater, 320 Melrose Avenue. Kenilworth — — 100.00 Frank E. Wagner, 4427 Washington Boulevard, Chicago 100.00 F. E. Nellis, jr.. Ill AA'est South Water Street, Chicago 200. 00 Wm. L. Wagner. 147 North Menard A^■enue, Chicago' 100. 00 W. F. Priebe. 52S North Grove Avenue. Oak Park 100. 00 Frank Cuneo, 4849 Slieridan Road, Chicago 300. 00 E. P. Waud, 332 South Michigan Avenue, Chicago 100. 00 F. C. Letts. Peoples Gas Building, Chicago 2. .500. 00 May 28, 1920 : John M. Smyth. 701 West Madison Street, Chicago Irving T. H;u tz, 208 South La Salle Street. Chicago Augustus A. Carpenter, 80 East Jackson Boulevard, Chicago Kneeland Ball, 6408 Harvard Avenue, Chicago J. M. Taft, 1405 West Thirty-seventh Street, Chicago 100. 00 100.00 100. 00 100. 00 100. 00 100. 00 200. 00 300. 00 250. 00 500. 00 500. 00 500. 00 200. 00 500. 00 200. 00 10(\ OD 200. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2157 June 1, 1920 : Paul E. Faust, Tribune Building, Chicago $100. 00 Emil C. Wetten, 108 South La Salle Street, Chicago 100. 00 W. F. Renshaw, 122 South Michigan Avenue, Chicago 100. 00 June 2, 1920 : Joseph Weissenbach, 1630 Tribune Building, Chicago 500. 00 Frank G. Heilman, 4339 North Kildare Avenue, Chicago 100. 00 Geo. B. Sloan, 414 Augusta Street, Oak Park 100. 00 E, A. Aaron, 72 West South Water Street, Chicago 100. 00 June 3, 1920 : Albert T. Bacon, 208 South La Salle Street, Chicago 100. 00 Chas. F. Harding, 137 South La Salle Street, Chicago 100. 00 Imbrie & Co., 208 South La Salle Street, Chicago 100. 00 Harry D. Oppenheimer, 1016 West Thirty-sixth Street, Chicago— 250. 00 John B. Lord, 80 East Jackson Boulevard, Chicago 500. 00 June 4, 1920 : W. C. Shurtleff, 540 West Randolph Street, Chicago 100. 00 H. A. Huskey, 37 West Van Buren Street, Chicago 250. 00 W. P. Worth. 37 West Van Buren Street, Chicago 250. 00 Frank H. Woods, 910 Fisher Building, Chicago 500. 00 Mar. 1, 1920: Mrs. Joseph J. Wentworth, 1240 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. Watson Blair, 720 Rush St., Chicago 100.00 Mrs. W. V. Kelley, 1550 N. State St., Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. William H. Mitchell, 1200 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. F. H. Rawson, 1550 N. State St., Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. Sam I. Allerton, 1315 Astor St., Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. Philip D. Armour, 2115 Prairie Ave., Chicago 200. 00 Mrs. W. J. Chalmers, 1100 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 100. 00 Miss Clara A. Cudahy, 1501 N. State Parkway, Chicago 100. 00 Miss Mary T. Cudahy, 1501 N. State Parkway, Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. Robert P. Lnmont, 1722 Judson Ave., Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. Sarah L. McCormick, 660 Rush St., Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. Arthur Meeker, 3030 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago . 100. 00 Mrs. A. A. Sprague, 1130 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago____ 100. 00 Mr. Norman Williams, 199 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. O. R. Barnett, 684 Greenleaf Ave., Glencoe 100. 00 F. H. Harmon, Glencoe 100.00 Mrs. Charles W. Hess, Glencoe 100.00 Mrs. Agnes C. Allerton, 1315 Astor St., Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. Potter Palmer, 1050 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 100. 00 Mar. 2, 1920: National Ship of States, 2703 Warren Ave., Chicago 104. 30 Mrs. Grace V. A. Peabody, 936 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. William Ross, 3033 Sheridan Road, Chicago 100. 00 Mar. 6, 3920: Mrs. Robert McGann, 230 E. Pearson St., Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. Frank D. Stout, 3150 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 500. 00 Mar. 15, 1920 : Mrs. A. D. Lasker, 15 West Burton PI., Chicago 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Arthur Ryerson, 2700 Lake View Ave., Chicago 100. 00 Mar. 13, 1920 : Mrs. Burton, 999 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 250. 00 Mar. 22 1920 : Mrs. John J. Borland, 2616 Prairie Ave., Chicago 200. 00 Mrs. Marshall Field, 1200 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Stanley Field, 1550 N. State Parkway, Chicago 100. 00 Mar. 26, 1920 : Mrs. George W. Dixon, Chicago, 1250 Lake Shore Drive 100. 00 Mrs. G. Herbert Jones, Chicago, Blackstone Hotel 100. 00 Mrs. Geo. M. Reynolds, Chicago, 1444 Lake Shore Drive 100. 00 Mrs. Frank Smith, Dwight___ 100. 00 Mar. 29, 1920 : Mrs. Samuel Insull, Chicago, 1100 Lake Shore Drive 200. 00 Mrs. George M. Reynolds, Chicago, 1444 Lake Shore Drive 150. 00 182774— 20— PT 15 5 2158 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mar. 30, 1920 : Mrs. W. F. Goodspeed, Chicago, 200 E. Pearson St $100. OO Apr. 1, 1920 : Mrs. Robert H. McCormick, Chicago, 25 East Erie St 1. 000. 00 Mrs. George M. Reynolds, Chicago, 1444 Lalve Shore Drive 100. 00- Apr. 6, 1920 : Mrs. William R. Linn, Chicago, 1415 Astor St .500. OO Apr. 9, 1920 : Mrs. Charles F. Spalding, Chicago, 1300 Astor St 100. 00 Apr. 12, 1920 : Mrs. Warren C. Fairbanks,- Chicago, 66 Cedar St 100. 00) Catherine H. Mcllvane, Chicago, 112 Belleviie Place 100.00 Apr. 16, 1920 : Mrs. Russell Tyson, Chicago, 20 E. Goethe St 100. 00 Apr. 23, 1920: Mrs. William Wrigley, Chicago, 2466 Lake View Ave 500.00 Mrs. Virginia A. Shayne, Chicago, 103 Belleviie PI 132. 51 Miss LiUian Cook, Chicago, 4910 Magnolia Ave 357. 39 Apr. 25, 1920 : Mrs. Fred W. Upham, Chicago, 2344 Lincoln Park West 500. 00 Apr. 30, 1920: Mrs. Homer L. Dixon, Chicago, 2410 Lake View Ave 100. 00 Mrs. E. R. Graham, Chicago, 1326 Astor St 100. OO May 1, 1920 : Mrs. Jacob Bauer, Chicago, 30 Cedar St 500. 00 May 5, 1920 : Mrs. Levy Mayer, Chicago, Blackstone Hotel 1, 000. 00 Mrs. G. A. McKinlock, Chicago, 999 Lake Shore Drive 500. 00 May 10, 1920 : Mrs. Roy McWilliams, Chicago, 199 Lake Shore Drive 100. 00' May 11, 1920 : Mrs. George W. Dixon, Chicago, 1250 Lake Shore Drive 348. 25 May 14, 1920 : Mrs. Milton Yondorf, 233 Fairview Ave., Glencoe 125. OO May 19, 1920 : Mrs. John W. Gary, Hubbard Woods 2, 000. 00 Mrs. Julius Rosenwald, 4901 Ellis Ave., Chicago 500. 00 May 21, 1920 : Mrs. William R. Linn, 1415 Astor St., Chicago 500. 00 May 25, 1920 : Mrs. S. S. Stratton, 1214 Astor St., Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. George P. Braiin, jr., 1221 Astor St., Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. J. McGregor Adams, Highland Park, Chicago 500. 00 Mrs. G. A. McKinlock, 999 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 500. 00 June 2, 1920 : Mrs. N. Jacobson, 621 W. Madison St., Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. Walter S. Brewster, Lake Forest 250. 00 Mrs. G. A. Soden, 5122 Woodlawn Ave., Chicago 100. 00 June 4, 1920 : Mrs. Bertha Montgomery, 3412 S. State St., Chicago 637. 34 Mrs. W. H. Pinkney, 4710 N. Winchester Ave., Chicago 143. 05 Mrs. A. N. Marquis, 947 Lawrence Ave., Chicago 999. 00 June 7, 1920 : Mrs. Charles A. Chapin, 920 N. Michigan Ave., Chicago 250. 00 Mrs. Bertha E. Leitch, 1458 Edgewater Ave., Chicago 481. 79 Mrs. Louis F. Swift, 1200 Lake Shore Drive, Chicago 100. 00 Mrs. Josephine C. Bentley, 4750 Kenwood Ave., Chicago 155. 00 Mrs. Myrtle Blacklidge, 6123 Indiana Ave., Chicago 170. 00 Mrs. D. Harry Hammer, 3903 Lake Park Ave., Chicago 100. 00 June 8, 1920 : Mrs. Joseph B. Long, 48 Bank St., Chicago 150. 00 Mrs. Walter S. Brewster, Lake Forest 100.00 Mrs. John S. Barnes, Rockford 239.94 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2159 June 10, 1920 : Sidney Winsor Worthy, Chicago, 140 S. Dearborn St $100. 00 R. H. Parlvinson, Chicago, 140 S. Dearborn St 100. 00 Charles Weinfeld, Chicago, 39 S. La Salle St 100. 00 Daniel J. Schuyler, jr., Chicago, 39 S. La Salle St 100. 00 M. F. Peltier, Chicago, 332 S. Michigan Ave 100. 00 Heman Gifford, Chicago, 105 S. La Salle St 100. 00 Herman Paepcke, Chicago, 111 W. Washington St 1,000.00 Joseph H. Defrees, Chicago, 105 S. La Salle St 250. 00 O. O. Krabol, Chicago, 1758 N. Maplewood Ave 100. 00 W. G. Howard, Chicago, 229 N. Wells St.____ 100. 00 O. G. Gillman, Chicago, 212 N. Wells St 100. 00 E. P. Miller, Chicago, 7737 East Lake Tr 200. 00 G. D. Allman, Chicago, 520 Washington Blvd 250. 00 G. W. Randall, Chicago, 221 W. S. Water St 100. 00 E. W. Sproul, Chicago, 39th & S. Robey St 200. 00 Frank H. Woods, Chicago, 910 Fisher Bldg 500. 00 Mar. 4, 1920: Andrew Russel, 1109 Mound Ave., Jacksonville 500. 00 Mar. 12, 1920: Walter S. Dickey, Macomb 100.00 Frank O. Lowden, Oregon 1, 000. 00 Apr. 19, 1920: Frank L. Smith, Dwight 500. 00 D. S. Myers, 311 Grove St., Pontiac 100. 00 A. M. Legg, Court & Cleary St., Pontiac 100. 00 Apr. 21, 1920: F. E. Tyson, Danville 100. 00 W. C. Rankin, Danville 100. 00 Apr. 26, 1920 : H. G. Herget, 615 Park Ave., Pekin 100. 00 Apr. 28, 1920 : H. E. Halliday, 2908 Washington Ave., Cairo 200. 00 H. W. Klee, 2514 Park Ave., Cairo 100. 00 O. B. Hastings, 3103 Washington Ave., Cairo 100. 00 May 1, 1920: Col. S. O. Tripp, 1005 So. 4th St., Springfield 150. 00 E. W. Wilson, Pekin 100.00 May 7, 1920: J. P. Schuh, Washington Ave., Cairo 100. 00 May 10, 1920: Henry Elliott, 11 Kingsbury PI., St. Louis 250.00 W. H. Elliott, 5023 Westminister PL, E. St. Louis 250. 00 May 15, 1920 : George R. Peek, Moline Plow Co., Moline 250. 00 Mar. 14, 1920: Clarence Griggs, Ottawa 100. 00 May 22, 1920: John McQueen, Kirkland 100.00 R. Ainsworth, 822 17th Street, Moline 100. 00 C. L. Desaulniers, Moline 100. 00 A. E. Hageboeck, 2719 15th Street, Moline 100. 00 May 24, 1920: F. A. Butler, Hinsdale 125.00 G. A. Dayton, West Chicago 100. 00 C. A. Franzen, Bensenville 100. 00 Warren B. Thayer, 605 Garfield Ave., Rockford 100. 00 W. A. Forbes, Rockford Malleable Iron Works, Rockford 150. 00 A. T. Barnes, Rockford 125.00 J. S. Barnes, Rockford 125.00 C. J. Lundberg, N. 2nd St., Rockford 100. 00 F. G. Hogland, 918 N. 2nd St., Rockford 250. 00 William Johnson, 903 4th Ave., Rockford 100. 00 V. M. Johnson, 615 Garfield Ave., Rockford 250. 00 James McKinney, Aledo 100. 00 James A. Wells, Aledo . 100.00 2160 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. May 27, 1920 : Dwight Deere Wiman, 817 11th Ave., Moline $100. 00 May 28, 1920: O. F. Gonklin, 1.^15 Mound Ave., Jacksonville 100. 00 E. N. Monroe, 4tli & Oak Street, Quincy 100. 00 Neal E. Monroe, 1469 Main St., Quincy 100. 00 R. R. Meents, Aslikum 100. 00 June 1, 1920: H. J. Johnston, 1015 Ohio St., Cairo 200. 00 AValter H. Wood, 611 Ohio St., Cairo 200. 00 G. R. Arsthorp, 411 7th St., Cairo 250. 00 E. J. Stuhbins Ohio St., Cairo 100.00 W. A. Rosenfield, Safety Bldg., Rock Island 150. 00 L. H. Clark, Rockford 100.00 June 2, 1920: Laurence Bros., Sterling 250. 00 J. W. Martin, Sterling 100.00 D. L. Martin, Sterling 100.00 Paul Dillon (paid in cash), Sterling 100.00 H. C. Allen, Lyndon 150. 00 June 3, 1920: Colonel John Lamber, Joliet 1, 000. 00 AVait Talcott, 839 North Main St., Rockford 100. 00 C. S. Brantingham, 1201 National Ave., Rockford 100. 00 E. P. Lathrop, 114 North Church St., Rockford ' 200. 00 L. C. Blanding, 608 10th Ave., Moline 200. 00 R. O. Buchanan, Bridgeport 100.00 T. L. Andrews, 1414 S. 12th St., Lawrenceville 100. 00 June 4, 1920 : George E. Keys, 817 So. 7th Street, Springfield 100. 00 June 7, 1920: G. H. Lane, Alton, Illini Hotel 100. 00 W. M. Sauvage, Alton 100.00 Lafayette Young, Alton 100.00 J. G. Sackermann, 17th and Brady, East St. Louis 100.00 G. G. Keith, 17th and Brady, East St. Louis 100.00 June 8, 1920: H. F. Scarborough, Pay son 100. 00 James E. Adams, 3 Wells Bldg., Quincy 100. 00 Charles Andrews, 1811 Elen St., Rockford—— 100.00 June 10, 1920: George M. Wright, Danville, 733 East Cleveland 100. 00 O P. Yeager, Danville, 131 Walnut 100. 00 H A. Swallow, Danville 100.00 F. E. Butcher, Danville, 2204 No. Vermilion 100. 00 George Wells, Quincy, 3 W^ells Bldg 100. 00 KANSAS. Mar. 1, 1920 : B. E. La Dow, Fredonia, 135 So. 5th St ^ $100. 00 Ben S. Paulen, Fredonia, 415 Eleventh St 100. 00 William D. Pratt, Fredonia 100. 00 W. S. Dickey, Kansas City, Mo., N. Y. Life Bldg. (credit Kansas) _ 125. 00 Mar. 2, 1920: L. T. Sunderland, Chanute 100. 00 J. J. Campbell, Pittsburg, 425^ N. Broadway 100. 00 A. B. Keller, Pittsburg, 613 W. 3rd St 100. 00 Clarence R. Aten, Dodge City 100. 00 L. J. Pettijohn, Topeka 100. 00 J. C. Denious, Dodge City : 100. 00 H. P. McCaustland, Bucklin 100.00 E. W. Moore, Spearville 100.00 H. L. Baker, La Crosse__- 105. 00 Walter Grundv, Hutchinson (Boxonte Hotel) 100.00 H. A. Martens, Buhler 100.00 E. A. Mowrev, Hutchinson, 801 Rorabaugh Bldg 100. 00 John M. Starr, Hutchinson, 16 Third St. W 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGX EXPENSES. 2161 Mar. 2, 1920— Continued. J. C. Petro, Hutchinson, 201 E. 12th St $100. 00 George E. Gano. Hutchinson, 528 Ave. A. E 100. 00 J. E. Damon. Hutchinson, 610 Rorahaugh W. Bd 100. 00 Fred F. Burns, Hutchinson, Cousolid. Flour M 100. 00 E. E. & J. W. Shive, Turon _* 100. 00 V. M. Wiley, Hutchinson, Rorahaugh W. Bd 100. 00 H. K. McLeod, Hutchinson, 500 Ave. A East 100. 00 C. F. Spencer. Pittsburg, Globe Bldg 250. 00 W. W. Patterson. Pittsburg. 406 W. Euclid 250. 00 Ira Clemens, Pittsburg. 607 W. Euclid 125. 00 J. Luther Taylor, Pittsburg, 706 W. Euclid 125. 00 A. H. Schlanger, Pittsburg, Globe Bldg 100. 00 H. L. Baker, La Crosse 100. 00 C. A. Smith, Independence, 618 W. Maple St 100. 00 Andrew Benson. Independence, 607 N. 8th St 100. 00 E. S. Rea, Colfeyville, 710 Elm St 100. 00 Mar. 12, 1920: Riley W. MacGregor. Medicine Lodge___ 500.00 R. C. Gafford. Minneapolis 100. 00 B. F. Arnold, Coldwater 100. 00 P. H. Thornton, Coldwater 100.00 F. S. Butts. Protection 100. 00 P. H. Halleck. Abilene 235.00 Mar. 19, 1920: C. W. Dingman. Clay Center 100. 00 A. M. Breese, Cottonwood Falls 100. 00 J. C. Peck, Concordia 411. 50 C. R. Potter. Clyde 112. 50 C. P. Baxter, Chanute 100. 00 H. H. Motter, Olathe 125. 00 W. B. Strang, Overland Park 100. 00 Albert R. Jones, Mission Hills 100. 00 H. E. Suderman, Newton, 201 S. Pine St 100. 00 John C. Nicholson, Newton, 713^ Main Street 100. 00 O. :\Ioorehead. Newton. 311 W. Broadway 100. 00 O. W. Roff, Newton, 801 Plum St 100. 00 J. T. Axtell, Newton, 221 E. Broadway 100. 00 C. R. Comes, Wellington, Lincoln & A St 100. 00 W. W. Schwinn, Wellington, 507 N. A. St 100. 00 D. E. Dunne. Wichita, 119 N. Market St 100. 00 J. H. Stewart, Wichita. 101 W. Douglass 100. 00 C. Q. Chandler, Wichita, Cor. Main & Douglass 100. 00 W. E. Brown, Wichita, 1103 N. Topeka Ave 200. 00 Fred B. Stanley, Wichita, Scliweiter Bldg 300. 00 J. C. Fisher, Wichita, H. G. Dry Goods Co 100. 00 C. M. Jackman, Wichita, care of Kansas Milling Co 100. 00 J. W. Craig. Wichita, 105 Broadview 100. 00 L. H. Powell. Wichita, L. H. Powell & Co 100. 00 A. S. Parks, Wichita, care of United Sash & Door Co 100. 00 L. C. Kelley, Wichita 200.00 J. B. Hupp, Wichita, Sedgwick Bldg 200. 00 F. A. Amsden. Wichita, Beacon Bldg 100.00 H. V. Wheeler. Wichita, 215 E. Douglass 100. 00 E. E. Bovle. Wichita 2CR). 00 Richard M. Gray, Wichita, Hotel Lassen 100. 00 R. G. Kirkwood, Wichita. Beacon Bldg 100. 00 J. A. Tickers, Wichita, Bitting Bldg 100. 00 J. D. Bowersock, Lawrence 200. 00 W. A. Stuart, Lawrence, 936 Kentuckv St 100. 00 Mar. 23. 1920: E. C. Sweet, Minneapolis 100.00 Henry Diegel. Atchi.^on, 412 Kansas Ave 100. 00 R. W. Ramsav. Atchison, 605 Commercial St 100. 00 Roy Seaton, Atchison, 514 S. 5th St 100. 00 F. E. Harwi. Atchison, 9th & Commercial St 100. 00 W. J. Bailey. Atchison, 602 Commercial St 100. 00 2162 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mar. 23, 1920— Continued. H. W. Miichnic, Atchison, 3rd & Park Sts $100. 00 W. A. & J. W. Blair, Atcliison, 300 S. 4th St 100. 00 Wm. Carlisle, Atchison, 105 N. 4th St 100. 00 Lukens Bros., Atchison, 818 Main St 100. 00 H. W. Jacobs, Atchison, 520 Woodlawn 100. 00 J. H. Engstrom, Wichita, 318 W. Douglas Ave 100. 00 L. E. Arnold, Wichita, care of Arnold Auto Co 100. 00 Howard E. Case, Wichita 100. 00 A. O. Rorabaugh, Wichita, 1616 Park Place 100. 00 J. C. O. Morse, Wichita 100.00 Apr. 17, 1920: H. A. Auerbach, Topeka, 709 Kansas Ave 100. 00 Apr. 29, 1920: Jno. B. Nicholson, Topeka, care of Kaw Milling Co 200. 00 A. Fassler, Topeka, care of Willis Norton & Co 200. 00 D. G. Page, Topeka, care of Thos. Page Mill. Co 200. 00 Apr. 23. 1920 : Horace L. Hall, Topeka 100.00 May 4. 1920 : W. A. White, Emporia 150.00 May 11, 1920: M. Delaney, Waterville 100.00 INIay 27, 1920 : J. B. Adams, El Dorado 1, 000. 00 Peder Paulson, Whitewater ; 100.00 W. Y. Lathrop, Burns 150. 00 F. P. Knox, El Dorado 100.00 Guy C. Glascock, Hutchinson 100. 00 June 7, 1920 : A. W. Beck, Tola 100. 00 Thomas H. Bowlus, lola 100. 00 F. J. Horton, Tola 100. 00 George F. Richardson, Westmorland 300. 00 C. F. Mensing, Leavenworth 100. 00 Samuel H. Wilson, Leavenworth 100. 00 H. R. Willson, Leavenworth 100.00 H. J. Helmers, jr., Leavenworth 100. 00 B. F. INIcLean, Wichita 200.00 J. P. Campbell, Wichita 100.00 Mar. 3, 1920 : Walter E. AVilson, Washington 100.00 A. W. Swayze, Ellsworth 100. 00 Thomas G. O'Donnell, Ellsworth 100.00 J. W. Metz, Wichita 100.00 Claudius C. Stanley, AVichita 100.00 O. B. Gufler, Topeka 200.00 KENTUCKY. Mar. 9. 1920 : W. A. Thomason, R. F. D. No. 1. Paris 100. 00 D. O. Burke, Bradfordsville 130.00 Mar. 12, 1920 : William M. Robb, R. F. D., Winchester 100. 00 Mar. 15, 1920: Richard C. Stoll, 605 First City Natl. Bk., Lexington 100. 00 Rex G. Carpenter, Lexington 100. 00 H. Giovaunoli, Lexington Leader, Lexington 100. 00 Thomas C. INIcDowell, 832 E. Main & Hanover Ave., Lexington__ 100. 00 .John G. Stoll, 219 West Short St., Lexington 100. 00 Mar. 19, 1920: James B. Hall, R. F. D. No. 3, Lexington 100. 00 Mar. 24, 1920: George H. Laib, 2307 Bonnycastle, Louisville 100. 00 F. D. Sampson. Barbourville 100.00 Sawyer A. Smith, Barbourville 100.00 J. D. Tuggle, Barbourville 100.00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2163 Mar. 29, 1920: George C. Atkinson, Earlington $100. 00 Apr. 5, 1920 : Sam Collins, Whitesburg 100.00 Apr. 13, 1920 : M. F. Harris, Irvine 200.00 Clarence Miller, Irvine 200.00 James Wallace, Irvine 100.00 Apr. 30, 1920 : Joseph Burge, 490 West Main St., Louisville 100. 00 May 6, 1920 : R. B. Martin, Cromwell 285.00 E. S. Kirk, the State Natl. Bk., Maysville 100. 00 Horace J. Cochran, Maysville 100. 00 Charles R. Long, jr., 630 East Main St., Louisville 500. 00 Nicholas County Republican executive committee, Wyatt Inska, Carlisle 100. 00 May 10, 1920 : J. C. Richardson, Middleboro 100. 00 T. J. Asher, Pineville 150.00 F. D. Hart, jr., Middlesboro 100.00 May 22, 1920 : Leonard G. Cox, Lexington 100. 00 May 24, 1920 : H. H. Smith, Hindman 200.00 Fr^nk Hudson, Lexington 100. 00 June 1, 1920 : Lawson Reno, Owensboro 100. 00 S. Speed, Speed Bldg., Louisville 500. 00 F. M. Sackett, 315 Guthrie St., Louisville 500.00 June 2, 1920 : Thruston Ballard. Ballard Mills, Louisville 500.00 William Hayburn, Belknap Hdw. & Mfg. Co., Louisville 1, 000. 00 June 5, 1920 : A. D. Allen, care of Mengel Co., Louisville 300. 00 LOUISIANA. Mar. 1, 1920 : P. H. DeJoie, M. D., New Orleans, 1131 Dufossat 100. 00 Mar. 25, 1920 : Wm. Edenborn, New Orleans 500.00 Apr. 15. 1920 : E. J. Thilborger, New Orleans, 912 Canal Bank Bldg 4, 000. 00 E. J. Caire, St. James 50O 00 Herbert Wadsworth, New Orleans, Marine Bank Bldg 275. 00 R. L. Baker, Napoleonville 100. 00 F. Dugas, Paincourtville 125.00 Stephen C. Munson, Napoleonville 250. 00 E. J. Rodrigue, Paincourtville 125.00 Dave J. Foret, Lockport 1 250.00 C. W. Gheens, Lockport 100.00 J. C. Rousseau, Lockport 100.00 Gonzalo Abaunza, New Orleans, Whitney-Central Bldg 250. 00 Gonzalo Abaunza, New Orleans, Whitney-Central Bldg 250. 00 Pearl Wight, New Orleans, Whitney-Central Bldg 1, 000. 00 G. S. Orme. New Orleans, 209 N. Peters St 200. 00 E. L. Jahncke, New Orleans, 817 Howard Ave 250. 00 Rufus E. Foster, New Orleans, U. S. Postoffice Bldg 1, 000. 00 Edw. G. Schlieder, New Orleans, 717 Bienville St—.. 1, 000. 00 J. & E. Burgieres, New Orleans, 818 Perdido St 1, 000. 00 Chas. Godchaux, New Orleans, Godchaux Bldg 1, 000. 00 Fred. W. Salmen, New Orleans, Whitney-Central Bldg 500. 00 S. Odenheimer, New Orleans, care of Lane Mills 100. 00 S. French, New Orleans, care of Woodward Wight Co 250. 00 Geo. Ross Murrell, Whitecastle 500. 00 E. F. Dickinson, Mathews 100.00 2164 PRESIDENTIAL, CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Apr. 15, 1920— Continued. C. S. Mathews. New Orleans, Hibernia Bldg $750.00 Walter Libby, New Orleans, 1402 Whitney-Central Building 250. 00 E. A. Pharr, Oliver 100. 00 Victor Loisel, St. James, P. O 1 250. 00 Apr. 23, 1920 : J. S. Thomson, Lake Charles 200. 00 G. B. Howes, Jeanerette 100. 00 R. H. Dow^nman, New Orleans, Hibernia Bldg 825. 00 June 10, 1920 : C. L. Wallace, New Orleans 100.00 Geo. W. DeRussy, New Orleans 100. 00 E. G. Robichaux. Thibodaux 100.00 Leonce J. LeBlanc, Paincourtville 100.00 A. E. Winkler, Klotzville 100.00 Henderson Iron Wks., Shreveport 200. 00 T. J. Freeman, New Orleans 200. 00 Clarence C, Barton. Napoleonville 200.00 E. T. Dugas, Paincourtville 250.00 O. A. Bourg, New Orleans 250.00 Robt. E. LeBlanc, Paincourtville 400.00 Clarence Ellerbe, box 591, Shreveport 250.00 S. H. Balinger, Shreveport 250.00 S. H. Balinger, Shreveport 250. 00 MICHIGAN. Mar. 1, 1920: J. W. Fordney, Saginaw $1, 000. 00 Clark L. Ring, Saginaw 1,000.00 A. T. Ferrell, Saginaw 500.00 D. D. Aitkin, Flint 100.00 Leonard Freeman, Flint, 714 Beach 300.00 R. H. Collins, Detroit, Cadillac Motor Co 1, 000. 00 Wilfred C. Leland, Detroit, 2230 Dime Bank Bldg 1, 000. 00 R. B. Jackson, Detroit, Hudson Motor Car Co 1, 000. 00 Henry M. Leland, Detroit, 2984 W. Grand Bldg 1, 000. 00 J. H. Romick, Detroit 1,000.00 Charles B. Warren. Detroit, 900 Union Trust Bldg 500. 00 Gilbert W. Lee, Detroit, care of Lee & Cady 250. 00 Mar. 4, 1920: James Inglis, Detroit, care of Amer. Blower Co 500. 00 D. M. Ferry, Detroit, care of D. M. Ferrv & Co 500. 00 Frank J. Flecker, Detroit, 915 Union Trust Bldg 500.00 James T. McMillan, Detroit, 804 Union Trust Bldg 1,000.00 Edwin Denbv, Detroit. 1405 Dime Bank Bldg 500.00 James Couzens, Detroit, 2239 Dime Bank Bldg 1,000.00 Mar. 6, 1920: Mr. S. D. Young, Grand Rapids, 333 Fountain St 500. 00 Mar. 8, 1920: Wm. H. Gav, Grand Rapids, 422 Fulton St 500. 00 M. R. Bissell, ji'-, Grand Rapids, 210 Erie St 500. 00 Albert Stickley, Grand Rapids, care of Stickley Furn. Co 500. 00 John W. Blodgett, Grand Rapids, Grand Rapids Trust Co 500. 00 Delos A. Blodgett, Grand Rapids, Lakewood 250. 00 O. B. Wilmarth, Grand Rapids, 544 Jefferson Ave 250. 00 Robert E. Shanahan, Grand Rapids, 439 Fulton St 250. 00 Wm. Jack. Grand Rapids, care of Amer. Box Bd. Co 100. 00 Normand McClave, Grand Rapids, 430 Madison Avenue 100. 00 D. H. Brown, Grand Rapids, 36 College Avenue, Northeast 100. 00 Fenton R. McCreerv, Flint, 526 Beach Street 250. 00 Gleen R. Jackson, Flint, 514 p]ast Third Street 100. 00 W. H. Wallace, Snginaw, Eddy Building 1,000.00 Arthur D. Eddy, Saginaw, Eddy Building 1. 000. 00 George B. Morlev, Saginaw, 316 North Washington West 1, 000. 00 Arnold Boutell, Saginaw, W. S JOO. 00 Alex Dow, Detroit, 18 Washington Avenue — — 500. 00 Arthur C. Wood, Detroit, 16 Gratiot Street 300. 00 Howard E. Coffin, Detroit, care of Hudson Motor Car Co oOO. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2165 March 15, 1920 : Herman Liindon, Lewiston $300. 00 Lem W. Bo wen, Detroit 250. 00 J. B. Ford, Detroit. 1622 Ford Building 1,000.00 Truman H. Newberry, Detroit, Ford Building 1, 000. 00 March 22, 1920 : Lewis H. Jones, Detroit, 95 Clark Avenue 500. 00 James S. Holden, Detroit, 500 Holeden Building 200. 00 John Trix, Detroit. American Injector Co 200. 00 Governor Albert E. Sleeper, Bad Axe 250. 00 M. A. Guest, Grand Rapids, 220 Benjamin Avenue 100. 00 F. M. Deane, Grand Rapids, 210 Erie Street 250. 00 March 30, 1920: A. C. Wells, Menominee, State Street 100. 00 J. M. Thompson, Menominee, Main Street 100. 00 C. 1. Cook, Menominee, 310 Main Street 150. 00 M. B. Llovd, Menominee, Ogden Avenue 100. 00 J. W. Wells, Menominee, Main Street 250. 00 Geo. W. McCormick, Menominee, 1711 State Street 150. 00 F. A. Spice, Menominee, 109 Ogden Avenue 100. 00 Fred M. Prescott, Menominee, 320 Main Street 150.00 Hal H. Smith, Detroit, 1122 Ford Bldg 500. 00 Maj. Walter C. Piper, Detroit, 400 Holden Bldg 250. 00 Guy W. Rouse. Grand Rapids, cor. Island & Ottawa 500. 00 C. S. Dexter, Grand Rapids, 1661 Monroe Ave 250. 00 William Judson, Grand Rapids, Judson Grocers Co 100. 00 Robert Oakman, Detroit, 512 Union Trust Bldg 500.00 F. J. Weiss, Flint, 1002 N. Saginaw 250. 00 A. B. C. Hardy, Flint, 923 E. Keansley St 100. 00 S. S. Stewart, Flint, 830 Avon 200. 00 Apr. 2, 1920 : F. Stuart Foote, Grand Rapids 500. 00 Mar. 31, 1920 : Edward A. Loveley, Detroit, 200 Peter Smith Bldg 100. 00 Apr. 3, 1920 : Leo C. Harmon. Manistique 100. 00 A. M. Chesbrough, Thompson 100. 00 R. E. MacLean, Wells, 27 Main St 100. 00 C. W. Kates, Wells, 31 Main St 100. 00 C. G. Edgar, Detroit 300.00 Coleman Vaughan, Lansing . 100. 00 J. C. Kirkpatrick, Escanaba, 328 Fifth St 200.00 H. M. Reade, Escanaba, 705 Fifty Ave. So 100.00 T. M. Judgson, Escanaba, 528 Seventh St 100. 00 M. J. Ryan, Escanaba, 623 So. Eighth St 100, 00 William Borifas, Escanaba, 750 Mich. Ave 100. 00 M. K. Bissell, Escanaba, 604 Mich. Ave 100. 00 W. R. Smith, Escanaba, 316 Harrison Ave 100. 00 Jas. R. Andrews, Escanaba, 720 Lake Shore Drive 100. 00 Apr. 6, 1920 : James E. Davidson, Bay City 500. 00 C. C. Johnson, Grand Rapids, 411 Crescent St 100. 00 Apr. 13, 1920 : Fred E. Lee, Dowagiac 500.00 E. W. Atwood, Flint 125.00 Apr. 14, 1920 : John S. Haggerty, Detroit, 1815 Dime Bank Bldg 500. 00 John D. Mackay, Detroit, 1805 Dime Bank Bldg 125. 00 George W. Cook, Flint, 218 E. Court St 100. 00 C. C. Jenks, Detroit, care of Security Trust Co 200. 00 Ernst Kern, Detroit, care of Ernst Kern & Co 100. 00 April 20, 1920 : Harry Widdecombe, Grand Rapids, care of John Widdecombe Co_ 300. 00 J. Boyd Pantlind, Grand Rapids, College Ave 100. 00 E. A. Summer, Detroit, 126 Jefferson Ave 250. 00 J. Hampton Hoult, Grand Rapids 250.00 Albert Kahn, Detroit 125. 00 2166 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. April 21, 1920 : C. H. Barre, Hillsdale $100 00 April 24, 1920 : J. M. McPherson, Howell 100. 00 R. Bruce McPherson, Howell 100 00 April 27, 1920 : H. H. Basset, Flint 100. 00 R. H. Scott, Lansing , 1,000.* 00 Sherman Depew, Detroit 100. 00 April 28, 1920 : W. W. Mountain, Flint 100 00 May 3, 1920 : Clarence O. Hetchler, Flint 250.00 Otto P. Grafe, Flint 100. 00 May 13, 1920 : R. E. Olds, Lansing 900.00 Geo. H. McVannel, Flint, 526 E. 5th St 100. 00 H. B. Sherman, Battle Creek 1 250. 00 Charles Austin, Battle Creek, care of Old Natl. Bank 200. 00 H. C. Hawks, Battle Creek 200. 00 W. S. Butterfield, Battle Creek, Citv Bank Bldg 200. 00 C. E. Kolb, Battle Creek, 31 Garrison 10 ). 00 James Turner, Detroit, 2104 Dime Bank Bldg 500. 00 William D. Thompson, Detroit, 1203 Ford Bldg 500. 00 Geo. E. Sheldrick, Detroit, 435 Marlborough Ave 250. 00 R. Adlington Newman, Detroit, 1718 Ford Bldg 250. 00 Benjamin S. Warren, Detroit, 1203 Ford Bldg 500. 00 Allen F. Edwards, Detroit, Interurban Bldg 250. 00 Walter E. Parker, Detroit, 668 Penobscot Bldg 100. 00 William Hatton, Grand Haven, Sheldon Terrace 100.00 Lloyd M. Richardson, Saginaw 250. 00 May 14, 1920 : C. M. Roehm, Detroit, 91 W. Woodbridge 125. 00 May 18, 1920 : E. C. Van Husan, Detroit, 1813 Dime Bank Bid 100. 00 H. D. Sholden, Detroit, 1840 Penobscot Bid 500. 00 Frederic W. Dennis. Detroit, 1740 Penobscot Bid 125. 00 J. D. Dort, Flint, 1740 Penobscot Bid 250. 00 May 25, 1920 : Milo D. Campbell, Coldwater, 53 E. Chicago 100. 00 George C. Craver, Wells, care of Delta Chemical Co 100. 00 J. P. Bierhang, Escanaba, 706 Wisconsin Ave 300.00 F. K. Berry, Battle Creek 150. 00 Arthur B. Williams, Battle Creek, care of Postum Oreal Co 200. 00 Harry E. Burt. Battle Creek, 143 Frelinghuisen 100. 00 E. L. Branson, Battle Creek, 81 Garrison Ave 100. 00 Frederick K. Sterns, Detroit. 395 Burns Ave 250.00 W. A. C. Miller, Detroit, 1080 Vinewood Ave 500. 00 J. B. Schlotman, Detroit. 501 Owen Bldg 250.00 E. D. Speck, Detroit, 1620 Ford Bldg 100. 00 J. A. Curtis, Detroit, 1617 Ford Bldg 500.00 E. L. Ford. Detroit, 1622 Ford Bldg 500.00 M. B. McMillan, Detroit, 2216 Dime Bank Bldg 100. 00 Alanson S. Brooks, Detroit, Dime Bank Bldg 250. 00 Murrav W. Sales, Detroit, 76 Jefferson Ave 500.00 A. H. Schmidt. Detroit, 138 Monroe Ave 100. 00 Edward J. Schmidt, Detroit, 138 Monroe Ave 100. 00 Arthur McGraw, Detroit, 1012 Hammond Bldg 100. 00 May 25. 1920: Fred M. Warner, Farmington 500. 00 June 28, 1920: Charles R. Sligh, Grand Rapids, Sligh Furn. Co 250. June 1. 1920: D. E. Bates, Lansing, 720 Plymouth St 100. 00 u PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2167 June 3, 1920: H. V. Book, Detroit, care of Book Estate, Book Bldg $325. 00 T. P. Book, Detroit, care of Book Estate, Book Bldg 325. 00 J. B. Book, Detroit, care of Book Estate, Book Bldg 350. 00 W. H. Jennings, Detroit, 85 Porter St 100. 00 George W. Edwards, Detroit, 18 Woodward Ave 100. 00 George M. Clark, Bad Axe 125.00 G. G. Scranton, Harbor Beach 150. 00 George J. Jenks, Harbor Beach 150. 00 Bela W. Jenks, Harbor Beach 100. 00 Robert M. Jenks, Harbor Beach 100.00 James B. Peter, Saginaw, 536 Mallard St 100. 00 H. T. Wickes, Saginaw, care of Wickes Boiler Co 250. 00 W. J. Wickes, Saginaw, care of Wickes Boiler Co 250. 00 J. E. French, Niles, 501 Main Street 200. 00 Francis J. Plym, Niles 200.00 W. H. Parkin, Niles. 602 Main St 200. 00 Henry M. Towar, Niles, 1101 S. Third St 100. 00 H. W. Alden, Detroit, 21 Edison Ave 250. 00 Julian Krolik, Detroit, 240 E. Jelferson Ave 100. 00 Phillip H. Gray, Plymouth, 915 Hammond Bldg 1, 000. 00 Paul R. Gray, Plymouth, 915 Hammond Bldg-, 1, 000. 00 Maud Ledyard von Ketteler, Grosse Pointe, 259 Lake Shore Rd— 100. 00 Mrs. Russell A. Alger, Grosse Pointe, 32 Lake Shore Rd 100. 00 J. S. Moroton, Benton Harbor, 501 Territorial Rd 100. 00 R. C. Eisley, Benton Harbor, 546 Columbus Ave 100. 00 James P. Dixon, Benton Harbor 100.00 Russ D. Jenks, St. Clair, 115 S. Riverside Ave 100. 00 Hon. Burt D. Cady, Port Huron 100. 00 Hon. Franklin Moore, St. Clair, 722 Riverside Ave 100. 00 Herbert H. Dow, Midland 300. 00 J. S. Gilmore, Kalamazoo, 516 South Street 100. 00 Cliarles A. Blaney, Kalamazoo, 303 Douglass Ave 150. 00 Hale P. Kauffer, Kalamazoo, 323 Sonth Rose St 100. 00 Donald C. Osborn, Kalamazoo, 308 Press Bldg 200. 00 Joseph E. Brown, Kalamazoo, 1040 W. Main St 100. 00 C. A. Peck, Kalamazoo, 400 Peck Bldg 100. 00 A. B. Connable, Kalamazoo, 400 Peck Bldg .100.00 H. S. Humphery, Kalamazoo, 140 Carmel St 100. 00 L. H. Thullen, Grand Rapids. 528 Terrace 200. 00 Frank B. Leland, Detroit, 206 Griswold St 500. 00 June 5, 1920 : George H. Boyd, Saginaw, care of Booth & Boyd Lumber Co 100. 00 Peter Corcoran, Saginaw 100. 00 J. F. Walton, Sturgis 100. 00 C. W. Kirsch, Sturgis 100. 00 E. J. Dayton, Detroit, 334 University PL, Grosse Pointe 100. 00 E. H. Bingham, Detroit, Solvav Process Co 500. 00 Wm. J. Gray, Detroit, 870 E. Jefferson Ave 500.00 Harry J. Fox, Detroit, Central Saving Bank 100. 00 Lawrence D. Buhl, Detroit, Buhl Stamping Co 1, 000. 00 A. E. Curtenius, Kalamazoo, 435 Stuart Ave 100. 00 Louis P. Simon, Kalamazoo 100. 00 June 7, 1920: John Jeffers, Saginaw 100.00 F. D. Ewen, Saginaw, 302 N. Jefferson 100. 00 Fred Buck, Saginaw, 855 Owen St 125.00 W. C. Cornwell, Saginaw 100. 00 E. Carrington, Saginaw, care of Mershcm Eddy Parker Co 100.00 C. C. Davidson, Iron Mountain 500. 00 William Kelly, Vulcan 1 150. 00 M. J. Fox, Iron Mountain 150.00 C. E. Nelson, Three Rivers 100.00 June 8, 1920: Standish Backus, Detroit, Burroughs Adding Mach 500. 00 Joseph Boyer, Detroit, 637 Woodward Ave 1, 000. 00 2168 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. MINNESOTA. Mar. 15, 1920: Theodore Scluilze, St. Paul $1,000.00 Apr. 10, 1920: Earl Savage, Minneapolis 150. 00 MISSISSIPPI. May 25, 1920: L. E. O dham, Oxford 100.00 M. J. Mulvihill, Vicksburg 500.00 J. S. Niles, Kosciusko 250.00 A. M. Storer, Kosciusko 100.00 E. E. Hindman, Jackson 100.00 E. F. Brennan, jr., Brookhaven 100. 00 M. H. Daily, Coldwater 100.00 MISSOURI. Mar. 6, 1920: Irvin R. Kirkwood, Kansas City 1, 000. 00 Chas. W. Armour, Kansas City 1,000.00 E. D. Nims, St. Louis 500.00 Theodore Gary, Kansas City 500.00 Robert J. Flick, Kansas City 500.00 W. I. Diffenderffer, Lebanon 250. 00 Chas. S. Keith, Kansas City 500.00 H. L. Gary, Kansas City 250. 00 A. F. Adams, Kansas City 250. 00 Joseph J. Heim, Kansas City 500. 00 A. C. Jobes, Kansas City 250. 00 Wallace J. Ferry, Kansas City 250. 00 Clive G. Shaw, Missouri City 100.00 I. A. Vant, South St. Joseph 1, 000. 00 William Volker, Kansas City 1, 000. 00 Kate McM. Dickey (Mrs. Walter S.), Kansas City 500.00 Mar. 27, 1920: Theron E. Catlin, St. Louis, Security Bklg 250.00 Aniedee N. Cole, St. Louis, Railway Exchange Bldg- 125. 00 Joseph D. Bascom, St. Louis, 805 No. Main St 250. 00- Mar. 31, 1920 : W. K. Bixby, St. Louis 500. 00 P. G. Walton, Kansas City — 250.00 John H. Bovard, Kansas City 200.00 Apr. 2, 1920 : M. Kotany, St. Louis 100.00 Jno. F. Queeny, St. Louis 250.00 Jaccard, W. M. & E. A., Kansas City 750. 00 Apr. 5, 1920 : Houston, Fible & Co., Kansas City 500. 00 Irvin R. Kirkwood, Kansas City 1,000.00 Apr. 6, 1920 : Edward Mallinckrodt, St. Louis 500.00 Apr. 12, 1920 : Bessie Barker Bruegeeman, St. Louis--^ 1,000.00 Apr. 28, 1920 : F. V. Hammar, St. Louis, Ry. Exch. Bldg 100. 00 May 6, 1920 : W. C. Henning, St. Louis, 5909 Kennerly Ave 1, 000. 00 Harry J. Leschen, St. Louis, 5909 Kennerly Ave 1, 000. 00 Jacob L. Babler, St. Louis, International Ins. Co 500. 00 C. M. Skinner, St. Louis, 306-308 W. 4th St 500. 00 W. K. Stanard, St. Louis, Pierce Bldg 500. 00 C. E. Ross, St. Louis. 21st & Locust St 500. 00 A. C. Brown, St. Louis, 12th cSi Washington Ave 500. 00 H. Cohn, St. Louis, 0212 Waterman Ave 500. 00 Fred L. Westerbeck, St. Louis, 128 Madison St 300. 00 Wm. Lvthman, St. Louis, foot of Angelica St 250. 00 Thos. H. Qright, St. Louis, 33 Westmoreland PI 250. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2169 May 6. 192<3 — Continued. John Staunch, St. Louis, 3144 W. Broadway $250. 00 Wni. L. Neikamp, St. Louis, 1230 W. Main St 250. 00 Charles E. Thomas, St. Louis. Hall & Angelrodt 250. 00 E. T. Stanard. St. Louis, 4512 \Y. Pine St 250. 00 O. S. Tilton, Pierce Bldg 250. 00 C. D. Johnson, St. Louis, 3080 Hawthorne PI 250. 00 Fred Krey, St. Louis, 21st & Bremer Ave 250. 00 Chas. E. Kimball, St. Louis, 1015 Federal Res-erve 250. 00 Wm. Lewin, St. Louis, 23 Branch St 200. 00 Jno. A. Leschen, St. Louis. 20 Kingsbury PI 200. 00 Frank W. Feuerbacker. St. Louis, 159 Miller St 200. 00 H. E. Schultz, jr.. St. Louis, 3136 Grand Ave 200. 00 Henry Luedinghaus, St. Louis, 1721 Broadway 200. 00 Jos. Mathes, St. Louis. 3120 N. Broadway 200.00 Louis H. Waltke, St. Louis', 2nd & E. Grand Ave 200. 00 Arthur Thatcher, St. Louis. 900 Security Bldg 200. 00 Alfred Clifford, St. Louis, Security Bldg 200. 00 Wm. L. Boeckler, St. Louis, 3600 N. Flail St 200. 00 Henry A. Boeckler, St. Louis, 3600 N. Hall St 200. 00 • Stewart McDonald, St. Louis, 24 Washington Terrace 200. 00 R. W. Shapleigh, St. Louis. 305 Washington Ave 200. 00 Geo. E. W. Luehrman, St. Louis, 150 Carrol 150. 00 F. E. Nulsen. St Louis, 727 Boatman's Bk. Bldg 150. 00 Thos. W. Gerland, St. Louis, 409 Broadway 125. 00 J. A. Berninghaus. 6343 Pershing Ave 125. 00 W. O. Schock, St. Louis, 415 Pine St 125. 00 Chas. W. Whitelaw. St. Louis 100. 00 L. G. Blackmer, St. Louis, 1026 Boatman's Bk. Bldg 100. 00 A. E. Blackmer, St. Louis, 13 Maple St 100. 00 E. L. Blackmer, St. Louis, 1026 Boatmen's Bk. Bldg 100. 00 F. H. Kriesmann, St. Louis, 4362 :McPherson Ave 100. 00 H. G. Mudd, St. Louis, Humbolt Bldg 100. 00 J. C. Moon, St. Louis, 3843 Pine 100. 00 John A. Meisel, St. Louis, 910 Washington Ave 100. 00 Louis Boeger, St. Louis, N. St. Louis Sav. Tr. Co 100. 00 J. Henry Conrades, jr., St. Louis, 1942 N. 2nd St 100. 00 F. A. Luyties, St. Louis, 4200 Laclede Ave 100. 00 Edward Hidden, St. Louis, 3663 Lindell Ave 100.00 G .V. Brecht, St. Louis, 1201 Cass Ave 100. 00 Thos. S. Lytle, St. Louis, 406 Rialto Bldg 100. 00 Geo. C. R. Wagoner, St. Louis, 3621 Olive St 100. 00 Jr. J. Stocke, St. Louis 100. 00 L. Stockstrom, St. Louis. Hawthorne Bldg 100. 00 J. Howard Thompkins, St. Louis, 306 N. 2nd St 100.00 H. W. Geller, St. Louis, 412 N. 4th St 100. 00 Chas. F. Joy, St. Louis, City Hall 100.00 Julius C. Birge, St. Louis, Ames Shovel & Tool Co 100. 00 Albert Blair, St. Louis, Pierce Bhlg 100 00 Joseph M. Bryson, St. Louis, Railway Exch 100. 00 Albert T. Perkins, St. Louis, 4906 Argyle Av6 100 00 J. W. Scudder, St. Louis, 501 Clard Ave 100. 00 Geo. T. Riddle, St. Louis, Franklin Bank 100. 00 Julian Simon, St. Louis, Shapleigh Hdw. Co 100. 00 J. B. Shapleigh, Humbolt Bldg 100. 00 Thomas Connors, St. Louis, 2507 N. Broadway 100. 00 R. S. Niedringhaus, St. Louis, Broadway and Benton 100. 00 O. E. Niedringhaus, St. Louis, 4647 Pershing Ave 100. 00 Henry E. Pank, St. Louis, 5374 Delmar Ave 100. 00 A. H. Haeseler, St. Louis, 621 Weinwright Bldg 100.00 Chas. Wunderlick, St. Louis, 821 (Uinton St 100. 00 Martin Lammert, St. Louis, 4490 Lindell Blvd 100. 00 Robt. S. Brcfokings, St. Louis, 6510 Ellenwood Ave 100. 00 Harry B. Wallace, St. Louis, 4776 Pershing Ave 100. 00 A. C. Luekiug, St. Louis, 16th and Washington 100. 00 Adolph M. Diez, St. Louis. 828 W. Broadway 100. 00 Fred Meyer, St. Louis, Main & Brooklvn 100*. 00 R. L. Dutton, St. Louis, 102 Merchants St 100. 00 2170 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. May 6, 1920— Continued. C. J. Hartnian, JSt. Lonis, 2000 N. SecondSt $100. (K) C. R. Burkbart, St. Louis 100 00 J. W. Jarboe, St. Louis, 1900 N. 19tli St lOo! 00 W. A. Meletio, St. Louis, 414 Franklin Ave 100.00 Fred (J. Lake, St. Louis, care of Nugents 100. 00 A. p]. Winkeniej^er, St. Louis, 1101 N. 5th St 100. 00 Robt. Meyer, St. Louis, 32.52 Longfellow Road 100. 00 Ben Harris, St. Louis, 28 So. 2nd St 100. 00 Marcus Harris, St. Louis, 28 S. 2nd St 100 00 A. H. Reller, St. Louis, 3600 W. Broadway j lOO. 00 Geo. E. Hibbard, St. Louis, 3125 N. Broadway 100. 00 Frank Haggenjoz, St. Louis, 601 Red Bud Ave 100. 00 J. T. Rombaur, St. Louis, 3638 Flora 100.00 C. N. Whitehead, St. Louis, 1506 Ry. Exch 100. 00 Harry Troll, St. Louis, 1506 Ry. Exch 100. 00 Louis Alt, St. Louis, 2nd and Olive 100. 00 J. B. Wolff, St. Louis, Broadway and Washington 100. 00 " R. C. Frampton, St. Louis, 3301 Locust St 100. 00 S. E. Hoffman, St. Louis, 4450 Westminster PI 100. 00 Walter H. Petring, St. Louis, 1001 Spruce St 100. 00 Geo. H. Perring, St. Louis, 1001 Spruce St 100. 00 Chas. S. Brown, St. Louis, 1913 N. Broadway lOf). 00 W. G. Elson, St. Louis, 325 Locust 100. 00 W. Arthur Stickney, St. Louis, 412 Olive St 100. 00 H. S. Albrecht, St. Louis, 712 N. 2nd St 100. 00 O. E. Buder, St. Louis, 700 Times Bldg 100. 00 Geo. F. Tower, jr., St. Louis, 27 Vandeventer PI 100. 00 Ed Elson, St. Louis, 4th and Locust 100. 00 T. Rubenstein. St. Louis, 901 Lucas Ave 100. 00 P. R. Blackmer, St. Louis, 1026 Boatmens Bk. Bldg 100. 00 C. A. Doolittle, St. Louis, Boatmens Bk. Bldg 100. 00 C. L. Wliittemore, St. Louis, 926 Pierce Bldg 100. 00 Oscar Herf, St. Louis, 929 Pierce Bldg 100. 00 Anderson Gratz, St. Louis, 1012 Rialto Bldg 1, 000. 00 T. O. Maloney, St. Louis, 7th and Hickory 300. 00 W. G. Yantis, St. Louis, 5077 Westminster PI 100. 00 May 10, 1920 : Clinton H. Crane, New York, N. Y., 61 Broadway 500. 00 W. M. Klenk, St. Louis 100. 00 John J. O'Fallon, St. Louis 500. 00 May 11, 1920: Louis B. Woodward, St. Louis 250. 00 H. S. Gardner, St. Louis 250. 00 Walter B. Woodward, St. Louis 250. (M> Wm. H. Gregg, St. Louis 100.00 J. H. Howe, St. Louis, 319 S. 4th St 100. Ot* F. G. & W^m. E. A. Christmann, St. Louis, 3750 N. ^nd St 100. 00 Sol A. Rothschild, St. Louis, 1100 Washington Ave 100. 00 S. I. Rothschild, 1100 Washington Ave 100.00 Chas. F. Bates, St. Louis, 4325 Westminster PI 100. 00 Hy Mueller, St. Louis, 3630 Humphrey 100. 00 May 13, 1920 : A. T. Goldsmith, St. Louis, 100 S. Conunercial 100. 00 Louis A. Hoerr, St. Louis, 705 Olive St 125. 00 C. R. D. Meier, St. Louis, care of Heine Safety Boiler 250. 00 May 16, 1920 : Charles E. Bascom, St. Louis, 805 Main St. 250. 00 John D. Filley, St. Louis, 40 W. Moreland St 125. 00 O. H. Peckham, St. Louis, 4382 Westminster 125.00 Jos. D. Bascom, St. Louis, 809 Main St 250. 00 Wm. Bagnell, St. Louis, 727 Title Garnt. Bldg 250. 00 O. G. Stark, St. Louis, 4058 Flora Blvd 100. 00 Walter R. Medart, St. Louis, Potomac & DeKalb 250. 00 A. A. Fuererbacher, St. Louis, 159 Miller St 100.00 J. F. Downing, St. Louis, care of New England Nat. Bk .500. 00 Arthur L. Broderick, St. Louis, 805 N. Main 250. 00 John K. Broderick, St. Louis, 805 N. Main St 250. 00 4 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2171 Mav 18, 1920 : Mrs. Cornelia R. Luedinghaus, St. Louis, 32 Gast Place $100. 00 May 19, 1920 : P. D. C. Ball, St. Louis 250.00 May 25, 1920 : Harry J. Steinbreder, St. Louis, Fulton Iron Works 100. 00 May 28, 1920 : George V. Hagerty, St. Louis, Hotel Chatham 1, 000. 00 F. E. Codding, St. Louis, Wellston Post Office 100. 00 June 1, 1920 : M. A. Dickey, Kansas City, care of W. S. Dickey 500. 00 K. McM. Dickey, Kansas City, care of W. S. Dickey 500. 00 George Warren Brown, St. Louis, 307 Advertising Bldg 1, 000. 00 June 2, 1920 : Mrs. Josephine Halsell, Kansas City, 1601 W. 57th St 125. 00 Mrs. Irwin Kirkwood, Kansas City, 4520 Kenwood 1, 000. 00 Mrs. C. A. Braley, Kansas City, 1405 Dunford Circle 500. 00 June 7, 1920 : J. D. Rankin, Tarkio 100. 00 Esther R. Giffen, Tarkio 100. 00 W. D. Rankin, Tarkio 1, 000. 00 J. E. Travis, Tarkio 100. 00 J. B. Shaum, Tarkio 100.00 John A. Rankin, sr., Tarkio 100. 00 L. C. Hamilton, St. Joseph, 1600 Ashland Blvd 500. 00 June 8, 1920 : George E. Nicholson, Kansas City, 820 Com. Bldg 1, 000. 00 Mrs. F. H. Thwing, Kansas City, 642 E. 36th St 250. 00 June 10, 1920 : Helen Davis, St. Louis, Mo., 16 Portland Place 500. 00 June 11, 1920: T. W. Harkless, Lamar 100.00 Benjamin Davis, Lamar 100. 00 A. A. Tibbe, Washington 100.00 Daniel Haid, jr., Berger 100. 00 J. W. Hanna, Tarkio 100.00 J. A. Christensen, Tarkio 100. 00 R. S. Harvey, Eldon 100.00 Thomas J. Franks, Joplin 100.00 A. E. Spencer, .Joplin 100.00 George W. Moore, Joplin 100. 00 MONTANA. May 28, 1920: F. M. Wall, Roundup 100.00 J. E. Edwards, Forsyth 100.00 J. B. Ghose, 317 East Commercial Ave., Anaconda 100. 00 C. H. McLeod, 324 East Front St., Missoula 250. 00 Charles R. Leonard Buttee, St. Ignatius, Daly Bk. & Tr. Co. Bldg_ 100. 00 June 7, 1920: N. B. Holter, Helena, the Holter Co 100. 00 T. B. Miller, Helena, 802 Benton Ave 100. 00 C. B. Power, Helena, 642 Dearborn 100.00 Dr. O. M. Lanstrmn, Helena, 802 Madison 150.00 T. A. Marlow, Helena, 626 Harrison Ave 250. 00. C. W. Goodale, Butte, Hennessy Bldg 100. 00 Frank Eliel, Dillou___ 100.00 NEBRASKA. Mar. 4, 1920: Walter W. Head, Omaha, % Omaha National Bank 250. 00 John F. Stout, Omaha, Omaha National Bank Building 250. 00 N. B. Updike, Omaha, Grain Exchange 1, 000. 00 Mar. 25, 1920: Frank B. Johnson, Om-aha 500. 00 Mar. 31, 1920: J. E. Davidson, Omaha 500.00 Apr. 6, 1920 : Arthur C. Smith, Omaha, % M. E. Smith & Co 500. 00 2172 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Apr. 21, 1920: Walter A. Head, Omaha $250.00 May 15, 1920 : N. B. Updike, Omaha, Grain Exchange 1,000.00 J. L. Brandeis & Sons, Omaha, Brandei.s Stores 1, 000. 00 George A. Roberts, Omaha, 230 Graw Ex 1, 000. 00 F. H. Davis and C. T., Omaha 250. 00 Konntze, Omaha, 1st Nafl Bl£ .500. 00 J. E. Davidson, Omaha, Nebrasl^a Power Co 500. 00 Arthur C. Smith, Omalia, 1303 Perli Ave 500. 00 John F. Stout, Omaha, 524 Omjiha Nat. Banli Building 250. 00 F. B. Johnson, Omaha, Omaha Printing Co 500. 00 E. R. Guerney, Omaha, Lion Bonding Co 250. 00 Charles Stuart, Lincoln, .522 Terminal Building 250. 00 NEW MEXICO. Mar. 25, 1920 : W. A. Hawkins, El Paso, Tex., E. P. & S. W. Bldg 250. 00 C. T. Brown, Socorro 100. 00 J. M. Raynolds, Albuquerque, 318 S. High St 500. 00 H. O. Bursum, Socorro 500.00 Charles Springer, Cimarron 500. 00 G. E. Bruce, Albuquerque 500.00 W. D. Murray, Silver City 250. 00 Victor Culberson, Silver City 250. 00 Mar. 31, 1920: Edward Sargent, Chama 250.00 Apr. 6, 1920: J. Van Houten, Raton 500. 00 Gregory Page, Albuquerque ^ 500. 00 Apr. 21, 1920: E. A. Cahoon, Roswell 500.00 Apr. 28, 1920 : H. W. Kelly, East Las Vegas 250. 00 May 12, 1920: Louis Ilfeld, Albuquerque, Copper Ave 100. 00 J. M. Sully, Santa Rita 500.00 May 25, 1920 : S. B. Davis, Las Vegas 200. 00 June 1, 1920 : Gregory Page, Gallup 1 150. 00 Louis C. Ilfeld, Las Vegas — 500. 00 May 22, 1920: T. H. O'Brien, Douglas, Ariz 300. 00 NORTH CAROLINA. Mar. 6, 1920 : E. A. Smith, Kings Mountain 500. 00 Mar. 23, 1920: John C. Pass, Roxboro 100.00 J. Elwood Cox, High Point 200.00 Apr. 19, 1920 : Stuart W. Cramer, Charlotte 1.000.00 May 3, 1920 : R. M. Miller, jr., Charlotte 100.00 May 14, 1920 : W. S. Lee, Charlotte 250.00 June 3, 1920 : C. C. Robbins, High Point 150.00 NORTH DAKOTA. June 1, 1920 : Gunder Olson, Grafton 1, 501. 75 R. S. Lewis, Fargo 875.00 Judge N. C. Young, Fargo 875. 00 Treadwell Twitchell, Fargo 875.00 B. F. Spaulding, Fargo 873.25 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2173 NEW YORK. Apr. 6, 1920 : F. B. Wiborg, New York $500.00 Apr. 12, 1920 : George W. Hill, New York, 111 Fifth Ave 1, 000. 00 OHIO. June 10, 1920 : Albert A. Schiichert, Tole0: W. H. Cunningham, Huntington 250. 00 Apr. 23, 1920 : D. C. Schonthal, Huntington 250. 00 H. A. Zeller, Huntington 250.00 Apr. 28, 1920: W. F. Hite, Huntington 250.00 May 6, 1920: Standard Ultramarine Co., Huntington 250. 00 May 8, 1920 : John Laing, Charleston 500. 00 May 18, 1920: Thos. Carr, Grafton 100. 00 May 19, 1920: B. Randolph Biss, Williamson 330.00 May 22, 1920: Jo. L. Kenner, Morgantown 100. 00 May 25, 1920: T. L. Felts, Bluefield 200.00 May 26, 1920: J. H, Slocum, care of Springs, Inc., White Sulphur Springs 100. 00 WISCONSIN. Apr. 26, 1920 : H. C. Humphrey, Appleton, 686 Union $100. 00 May 22, 1920 : Edw. H. Schwartzburgh, Milwaukee, 135 26th St 500. 00 Alfred J. Kieckhefer, Milwaukee, 540 Terrace Ave 500. 00 S. S. Cramer, Milwaukee, 3310 Wells 100. 00 Wm. F. Kinseila, Milwaukee, Hi Mount & Washington Bv 125. 00 E. W. Krueger, Milwaukee, 2720 McKinley Bv 125. 00 Wm. O. Goodrich, Milwaukee, 30 & Hopkins 100. 00 R. G. Hayssen, Milwaukee, 737 Lake Drive 150. 00 May 25, 1920 : Wm. Fox, Milwaukee 1, 000. 00 June 1, 1920: C. C. Yawkey, Wausau 500. 00 Rudolf Hokanson, Milwaukee, 985 Summit Ave 100. 00 2184 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. June 2, 1920 : E. P. Hixon, La Crosse __— _ $1,000.00 E. J. Harvey, Racine, Harvey Sirring Forging Co 1(X). 0(> F. J. Kidd, Racine, 1439 Junction Ave - 100. 00 O. W. Jolmson, Racine, 817 Main St 250. 00 W. S. Osborn, Racine, 1440 Main St 100. 00 Herbert F. Jolin.s-on, Racine, S. C. Jolmson «S: Co 200. 00 Wm. Mitcliell Lewis, Racine 100.00 Win. Hilker, Racine, Hilker-Wieclier Mfg. Co 100. 00 June 3, 102O : O. E. Morgan, Sliawano 100.00 Senator A. Kucliuk, Sliawano 100. 00 June 5, 1920 : Wm. H. Horlick, Racine 250. 00 H. M. Wallis, Racine 250. 00 E. J. Kearney, Wauwatosa I 1,000.00 June 7, 1920 : W. E. Stoppenbacli, Sliawano 100.00 D. Lightbody, Mattoon 100.00 E. E. Hemingway, Mattoon 100. 00 E. O. Brown, Rinelander 200.00 W. E. Brown, Rhinelander 200.00 A. W. Brown, Rhinelander 200.00 Henry C. Hanke, Rhinelander 400.00 W. H. Alford, Kenosha, 711 Durkee 150. 00 George H. Allen, Kenosha, 488 Prairie Ave 100. 00 Robert S. Cooper, Kenosha 100.00 W. J. Frost, Kenosha, 615 Durkee Ave 100. 00 Lynn T. Hannaclis, Kenosha, 568 Park Ave 100. 00 Roger N. Kimball, Kenosha, 560 Durkee Ave 100. 00 C. W. Nash, Kenosha, 521 Durkee Ave 500. 00 E. C. Thiers, Kenosha, 426 Park Ave 100. 00 Frank L. Wells, Kenosha, 616 Park Ave 100. 00 George S. Whyte, Kenosha 100.00 C. P. Voorhis, Kenosha, 567 Durkee Ave 175. 00 J. T. W^ilson, Kenosha, 177 Deming 175. 00 Z. G. Simmons, Kenosha 2, 500. 00 H. W. Marsh, Milwaukee, 885 Summit Ave 100. 00 H. Harnischfeger, Milwaukee, 3416 Grand Ave 250. 00 Paul E. Thomas, Wauwatosa, 447 Wauwatosa Ave 100. 00 R. H. Hackney, Wauwatosa, 1719 Grand Ave 250.00 Ira R. Smith, Wauwatosa, 4650 Woodlawn Ct 100. 00 Robert F. Goodman, Marinette 500. 00 Fred Vogel, Milwaukee, 583 Cass 500. 00 H. M. Thompson, Milwaukee, 226 Grand Ave 1,000.00 Walter Kasten, Milwaukee, 1570 Lake Drive 100. 00 WYOMING. Mar. 12, 1920: John W. Hays, Rock Springs 1. 000. 00 Patrick Sullivan, Casper 1,000.00 B. B. Brooks, Casper 1, 000. 00 E. J. Sullivan, Basin 1,000.00 Harry P. Hynds, Cheyenne 1,000.00 Herman B. Gates, Worland 1,000.00 J. L. Baird, Newcastle 1,000.00 H. O. Barber, Lander 1.000.00 Frank G. Curtis, Casper 500.00 R. G. Tyler, Casper oOO. 00 G. R. Hagens, Casper -^00. 00 Peter Kooi, Sheridan -^00. 00 MISCELLANEOUS. Jan. 20, 1919 : _ Daniel G. Reid, New York City 000. 00 W^m. M. Calder, New York City wO. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2185 Jan. 22. 1919: S. R. Guggenheim, New York City $1, 000. 00 Lewis E. Pierson, New Yovk City 1, 000. 00 C. A. Coffin, New York City 1, 000. 00 Murry Guggenheim, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jan. 24, 1919: G. E. Tripp. New York City 1, 000. 00 Jan. 29, 1919: Aldred & Co.. New York City 1, 000. 00 ^Vm. B. Thompson, New York City 1, 000. 00 Feb. 4, 1919: Wm. H. Nicliols, New York City 1,000.00 Feb. 7. 1919: Jas. H. Ralph. New York City 1,000.00 R. Livingston Beeckman, New York City 1, 000. 00 Sherwood Aldrich, New York City 1, 000. 00 Feb. 14, 1919: Edw. H. Chirk, New York City 1, 000. 00 Apr. 19. 1919: Daniel Guggenheim, New York City 1, 000. 00 May 1, 1919: John N. Steele, New York City 200. 00 iVhiy .-), 1919: P. A. Rockefeller, New York City 1, 000. 00 May 7, 1919: Chas. A. Ralph, New York City 500.00 May 9. 1919: Jas. H. McClement. New York City 1, 000. 00 May 15, 1919: Ambrose Monell. New York City 1, 000. 00 Chas. M. Chapin, Bernardsville, N. Y 500.00 C. M. MacNeill, New York City 1, 000. 00 Frederick Leopold, New York City 250.00 M. L. Requa, New York Citv 1,000.00 H. F. Sinclair, New York City 2,000.00 J. F. Farrell, New York City 1,000.00 May 16, 1919 : Henry Krumb, New York City 500.00 May 20, 1919 : O. J. McConnell, New York City 500. 00 Henry E. Dodge, New York City 100. 00 J. P. Stevens, New York City 1,000.00 May 21, 1919 : Walter H. Filor, New York City 1, 000.00 J. F. Alvord. New York City 1,000.00 Walter H. Aldridge, New York City 500. 00 John K. MacGowan, New York City 200. 00 A. B. Perry, New York City 200. 00 May 22, 1919 : Jos. Clendenin, New York City 250.00 Thomas Cochran, New York 1,000.00 May 26, 1919 : Geo. F. Baker, New York 1,000.00 Chas. Hayden, New York 1,000.00 Daniel C. Jackling, New York 1,000.00 John N. Willys, New York 1, 000. 00 Chas. F. Ayer, New York 100. 00 Elisha Walker, New York 1,000.00 May 27, 1919 : A. L. Scheuer, New York 1, 000. 00 Ridley Watts, New York 1,000.00 J. E. Thompson, New York 500. 00 2186 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. May 28, 1919 : E. H. Gary, New York $1,000.00 Percy M. Chandler, Philadelphia, Pa 1, 000. 00 E. A. 8. Clarke, New York 200. 00 John A. Topping, New York 500. 00 J. Leonard Replogle, New York 1,000.00 May 31, 1919 : - F. F. Fitzpatrick, New York 1,000.00 James McLean, New York 1, 000. 00 W. H. Woodin, New York 1,000.00 Wm. H. Moore, New York 1, 000. 00 John C. Duncan, New York 500, 00 June 3, 1919 : Pauline Morton Sabin, Shinnecock Hills, L. I ^ 1, 000. 00 Samuel P. Colt, New York 1,000.00 Tracy S. Lewis, Beacon Falls, Conn 1, 000. 00 John J. Watson, New York 1,000.00 Geo. A. Gaston, New York 1,000.00 June 5, 1919 : Adam K. Luke, New York 1,000.00 John G. Luke, New York 1,000.00 David L. Luke, New York 1,000.00 June 7, 1919 : James H. McGraw, New York, and Chas. Clifton, Buffalo, N. Y.-_ 1, 000. 00 June 10, 1919 : Clarence H. Mackay, New York 1,000.00 Bertram H. Borden, New York 1,000.00 E. G. Grace, Bethlehem, Pa 1,000.00 A. D. Juilliard & Co., New York 1,000.00 Francis J. Oakes, New York 250. 00 Joseph K. Cass, New York 1,000.00 Thomas Luke, New York 1,000.00 E. C. Converse, New York 1,000.00 June 11, 1919 : W. C. Durant, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 A. B. Ashforth, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 June 17, 1919 : C. M. Schwab, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Nathan Weiss, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 A. L. Sylvester, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 June 18. 1919 : M. L. Morgenthau, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Chas. A. Peabody, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 F. M. Kirby, Wilkes-Barre, Pa__: 1, 000. 00 June 19, 1919 : Gana Dunn, New York, N. Y 100.00 Stephen Birch, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 June 20, 1919 : E. Sinclair, Tulsa, Okla 500.00 E. Clarence Jones, Saratoga Springs, N. Y 1, 000. 00 June 21, 1919 : Wm. C. Potter, New York, N. Y 500. 00 June 23, 1919 : Theo. N. Vail, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Wm. D. Guthrie, New York, N. Y 500.00 Dwight W. Morrow, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Geo. D. Pratt, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 J. R. O'Neil, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 W. T. Posey, New York, N. Y___ 500. 00 M. Schinasi, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 J. B. Duke, New York, N. Y_^ 1, 000, 00 L. Toro, New York, N. Y 500.00 D. A. Schulte, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 J. Parker, New York, N. Y 1.000.00 Percival S. Hill, New York, N. Y 1. 000. 00 Joseph De Wyckoff, Ramsey. N. J 500. 00 Henry Lockhart, Jr., New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2187 June 23, 1919— Continued. C. A. Daniel, Philadelphia, Pa $300.00 E. H. Broadwell, Chicopee Falls, Mass 100. 00 June 25, 1919 : A. B. Leach, New York, N. Y 500. 00 Francis L. Hine, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 A. G. Paine, Jr., New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Geo. W. Hill, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 June 26, 1919 : Vincent Astor, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 George J. Whelan, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Elliott Averett, New York, N. Y 500. 00 June 30, 1919: Frederick K. Rupprecht, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 C. A. Gordon, New York, N. Y 250. 00 William A. Luke, Covington, Va 1, 000 .00 Hugh J. Chisholm, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 L. M. Bickford, New York, N. Y 500. 00 J. E. Tufts, New York, N. Y 250. 00 J. Peterson, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 H. S. Collins, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 J. B. Cobb, New York ,N. Y _' 1, 000. 00 John F. Whelan, New York, N. Y 250. 00 July 1, 1919: R. M. C. Glen, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Anthony Schneider, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 July 2, 1919 : W. S. Benson, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 R. D. Benson, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 L. E. Whicher, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Robert M. Thompson, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Charles A. Whelan, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 July 5, 1919: W. Hinckel Smith, Philadelphia, Pa 1,000.00 K. R. Rabbitt, New York, N. Y 500. 00 Charles A. Terry, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 W. H. O'Brien, New York, N. Y 500. 00 John Conley, New York, N. Y 250. 00 Edward Wies, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 July 7, 1919 : William E. Corey, New York, N. Y 1, 000.00 Hunter S. Marston, New York, N. Y 500. 00 Cornelius N. Bliss, jr., New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 July 8, 1919 : A. N. Burbank, New York, N. Y 100. 00 J. M. Hansen, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 July 10, 1919: Ludwig Vogelstein, New York City 1, 000. 00 J. R. Van Dyck, New York City 500. 00 Samuel T. Peters, New York aty 1, 000.00 J. S. Coffin, New York City 500. 00 , H. F. Ball, New York City 500. 00 I Geo. L. Bourne, New York City 500. 00 I Henry J. Davis, New York City 500.00 I LeGrand Parish, Mountain View, N. J 500. 00 I Saml. G. Allen, New York City 500.00 W. G. Pearce, New York City 500. 00 Jo.s. B. Terbell, New York City 500. 00 Chas. Harris, New York City 250.00 Lee Deutsch, New York City 250. 00 G. M. Basford, New York City 100. 00 Alex Turner, New York City 100. 00 Matthew Andrews, Cleveland, Ohio 500. 00 L. C. Hanna, Cleveland, Ohio 500.00 H. M. Hanna, Cleveland, Ohio 500. 00 J. C. Davies, Johnstown, Pa 1, 000. 00 W. A. Thomas, Youngstown, Ohio 500.00 W. H. Child.s, New York City i 1, 000. 00 2188 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. July 11, 1919 : J. G. White, New York City $1, 000. 00 A. H. Wiggins, New Yorli City 1, OiX). 00 E. R. Tinker, New York City 1,000.00 Eugene V. R. Tliayer, New York City 1. 000. 00 C. J. Schmidlapp, New York City 1,000.00 G. M. Dahl, New York City .500. 00 S. H, Miller, New York City 1.000.00 July 16, 1919 : Thomas H. Mathias. Buffalo, N. Y .500.00 C. F. Downa, Buffalo, N, Y 500. 00 Percy H. Johnston, New York City 2.50. 00 Edward S. Harkness, New York Citv 1.000.00 July 21. 1919 : G. W. Brown, New York City 100.00 Lucian G. Brown, New York City 100. 00 W. H. Coyle, New York City 100. 00 F. N. Foote, New York City 100. 00 Samuel D. Rosenfelt, Chicago, 111 100. 00 C. L. Winey, New York City 100. 00 Lyman D. Smith, New York City 1, 000. 00 Walter J. Fahy, New York City 1. 000. 00 Frank C. Munson. New York City 1, 000. 00 F. A. Chappell. New York City 1, 000. 00 Paul Moore, New York City 1, 000. 00 Charles H. Blair, New York City 200.00 Albert R. Gallatin, New York City 500. 00 Geora:e P. Smith, New York City 1, 000. 00 July 23, 1919 : Dunlevy Milbank, New York City 1. 000. 00 B. F. Jones, jr., Pittsburgh, Pa___. 1,000. 00 C. H. McCullough. jr., Buffalo, N. Y 500. 00 July 26, 1919 : Philip P. Getty, Yonkers, N. Y____ 500. 00 Fellowes Davis, New York City 500. 00 August 4, 1919 : R. L. Agassiz, New York City 500. 00 J. E. Rousnuiniere, New York City 500.00 Homer E. Sawyer, New York City 250. 00 Chas. J. Graliam, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Horace Havemeyer, New York City - — 1, 000. 00 E. R. Kemp. Tulsa, Okla 500.00 C. K. McCormick, New York City 500. 00 I. Townsend Burden, New York City lOQ. 00 August 11, 1919 : Seelev W. Mudd, Los Angeles, Calif 1 . 0. 00 Sept. 8, 1919: Seward Prosser, Englewood. N. J 1.000 00 Estate of (\aroline P. Ream, New York City 1, 000. 00 1 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2189 Sept. 5, 1919: Stephen C. Millett, New York City $1,000.00 Sept. 12. 1919 : Edith Baker, Locust Valley, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Sept. 20, 1919 : Edward E. Arnold. Providence, R. I 1 1, 000. 00 James Wright, New York City 110. 00 Sept. 22, 1919 : William H. Todd, New York City : 1, 000. 00 Warren Cruikshank, New York City 1, 000. 00 W. H. Goadbyt Co., New York City 1, 000. 00 Sept. 24, 1919 : August Heckscher, New York City 1, 000. 00 Sept. 29, 1919 : John T. Pratt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Ruth Baker Pratt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Chas. W. Trippe, New York City 100. 00 Wm. J. Palmer, New York City 100. 00 John J. Gillies, New York City 100. 00 Geo. M. Woolsey, New York City 100. 00 Oct. 3, 1919 : Jas. C. Stewart, New York City 1, 000. 00 H. B. Slaybaugh, New York City 1 100. 00 Oct. 4, 1919 : Henry Heide, jr., New York City 1, 000. 00 Oct. 6, 1919 : Windsor T. White, Cleveland, Ohio 1, 000. 00 P. T. Dodge, New York City 250. 00 S. A. Powell & Co., New York City 250. 00 Oct. 8, 1919 : Thomas W. Slocum, New York City 1, 000. 00 Chas. E. Sampson, Ne\v Yoi-k Citv 1, 000. 00 Oct. 9, 1919 : Robert D. Carter, New York City 500. 00 David Helier, New York City-__i 500. 00 Oct. 10, 1919 : Charles Clifton, Buffalo, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Oct. 1], 1919: C. D. W. Halsey, New York City 100. 00 Spencer Turner, New York City 100. 00 Lincoln Grant, New York City 250. 00 L. J. Drake, New York City 500. 00 C. A. Braman, New York City 1, 000. 00 Oct. 14. ]9]9: Wm. H. Porter, New York City 1, 000. 00 S. F. Dribben, New York City 750. 00 Oct. 15, 1919 : Wm. M. Wood, Boston, Mass 4, 000. 00 T. Jefferson Coolidge, Boston, Mass 4,000.00 Walter C. Baylies, Boston. INlass 500. 00 Francis W. Fabyan, Boston, Mass 500. 00 A. J. Pierce, jr.. New Bedford, Mass 500. 00 Robert F. Her rick, Milton, Mass 200. 00 John E. Nelson, Chicago, 111 300. 00 Oct. 16, 1919 : S. E. Mitchell, New York : 1, 000. 00 Oct. 17, 1919 : B. F. Bailey, New York 250. 00 Oct. 18, 1919 : Ira Richards, jr., New York 150. 00 Clarkson Runyon, jr.. New York 150. 00 W. S. Peters, New York 100. 00 Chas. F. Samson, New York 175. 00 Chas. H. Thieriot, New York 200. 00 George P. Mellick, New York 300. 00 Jay F. Carlisle, New York 1 400. 00 G. I. Hud.son & Co., New York 1, 000. 00 182774— 20— PT 15 7 2190 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Oct. 20, 1919 : T. F. Manville, New York $1, 000. 00 Clarence E. Chapman, New York 1, 000. 00 Oct. 23, 1919 : Charles M. Thayer, Worcester, Mass 500. 00 Geo. Sumner Barton, Worcester, Mass 500. 00 M. J. Whittall, Worcester, Mass 500.00 Albert F. Bemis, Boston, Mass 500. 00 Frank S. Webster, Boston, Mass 500.00 William Endicott, Boston, Mass 500. 00 John W. Farwell, Boston, Mass 500. 00 Wm. H. Mertz, Brookline, Mass 500. 00 Oct. 22, 1919 : George F. Baker, New York 1, 000. 00 Clarence M. Guggenheimer, New York 750. OO Oct. 24, 1919 : William Iselin & Co., New York i 1,000. 00 Oct. 25, 1919 : Malcomb D. Whitman, New York 500. 00 Oct. 27, 1919 : W. D. Breaker, New York 1, 000. 00 Charles M. Brooks, New^ York 250. 00 Oct. 31, 1919 : Andrew Adie, Brookline, Mass 3, 000. 00 Ernest B, Dane, Boston, Mass 3,000.00 Wallace L. Pierce, Milton, Mass 500.00 N. H. Stone, Milton, Mass 500.00 Estate of Frank Hopewell, Newton, Mass 650. 00 Frank B. Hopewell, Newton, Mass 500. 00 W^m. P. Underbill, Newton, Mass 500. 00 James Clemens, Arlington, Mass 500. 00 E. F. Sherburne, Lexington, Mass 500. 00 Chas. F. Ayer, trustee, Boston, Mass 200. 00 Frederick Ayer, Boston, Mass 100. 00 Oct. 29 1919 : * Arthur P. Williams, New York City 1, 000. 00 Oct. 31, 1919 : Andrew H. Brown, New York City 100.00 Nov. 5, 1919 : C. C. Dula, New York City 1, 000. 00 Wm. L. Juhring, Brookline, Mass 250. 00 Nov. 6, 1919 : Mrs. E. H. Gary, New York 200. 00 F. C. Swan, Brooklyn, N. Y 500.00 Nov. 7, 1919 : Mrs. Michael Dreicer, Lake Success, L. I 100. 00 H. B. Thayer, New York 1, 000. 00 Nov. 10, 1919 : Walter W. De Bevoise, Brooklyn 100. 00 Bernard Karp, New York 100.00 Bobert P. Marshall & Co., New York 1, 000. 00 Nov. 11, 1919 : Mrs. Whitelaw Reid, New York 500. 00 Mrs. Ambrose Nonell, New York 1, 000. 00 Nov. 12, 1919 : Stephen Baker, New York 250. 00 Frank P. Frazier, New York 1, 000. 00 Nov. 14, 1919 : E. F. Huttoii, New York . 1,000.00 Nov. 15, 1919 : John D. Rockefeller, New York 1, 000. 00 John D. Rockefeller, Jr., New York 1, 000. 00 Nov. 21, 1919 : A. L. North, New Y^ork 250.00 Hamilton Carartt, Detroit, Mich 500.00 Nov. 22, 1919 : J. Lichten stein, New York 100. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2191 Nov. 24, 1919 : Kemp, Day & Co., New York $100.00 William Whitman, Boston 500.00 Daniel G. Wing, Boston 500.00 Dr. W. Sturgis Bigelow, Boston 500. 00 Adams & Leland, Boston 500. 00 Edward A. Clark, Boston 500. 00 James Dean, Boston 500. 00 Henry N. Sweet Boston 500.00 Browne «& Howe, Boston 750. 00 J. Koshland & Co., Boston 750. 00 Willey Francis & Co., Boston 750.00 Ralph Hornblower, Boston 250.00 Williams & Co., Boston 250.00 Thomas A. Crimmins, Boston 250. 00 Dupes & Meadows, Boston 250. 00 S. E. Hecht & Co., Boston 250. 00 Edwin S. Webster, Boston 250. 00 Charles E. Riley, Boston 250.00 Ernest S. Howes, Boston 250.00 Herbert M. Sears, Boston 500. 00 Frank L. Howes, Boston 250.00 Alvah Crocker, Fitchburg, Mass 250.00 George C. Lee, Boston 500. 00 Henry Hornblower, Boston 250. 00 Walter H. Langshaw, New Bedford, Mass 500. 00 Mrs. David Dows, New York City 100. OO November, 25, 1919 : Mrs. A. Graham Miles, New York City 500. 00 December 1, 1919 : Mrs. Peter Larson, New oYrk City 500. 00 Mrs. W. K. Vanderbilt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. George Henry Warren, New York City 100. OO Mrs. Geo. O. Knapp, New York City 200. 00 Mrs. Otto Kahn, New York City 1, 000. 00 Henry L. Warwell, New York City 500.00 December 2, 1919 : Mrs. Daniel Guggenheim, New York City 1,000.00 H. B. Walker, New York City 1, 000. 00 December 3, 1919 : Mrs. Coleman Du Pont, New York City 2, 000. 00 F. V. Du Pont, Wilmington, Del 500. 00 December 4, 1919 : Mrs. Edw. Harkness, New York City 1,000.00 December 5. 1919. H. W. Cannon, New York City 100.00 December 6, 1919 : Mrs. John Magee, New York City .500.00 Mrs. Jas. R. Sheffield, New York City 200. 00 December 8, 1919 : Duncan Ellsworth, New York City : 100. 00 Mrs. Duncan Ellsworth, New York City 100. 00 E. H. Arnold, New York City 250.00 J. M. McNiece & Co., New York City 100. 00 Walter J. Townsend & Co., New York City 100. OO Dec. 11, 1919 : Farley. Harvey & Co, Foston, INIass 150. OO John A. Ordway, Boston. Mass 150.00 Charles L. Harding, Boston, Mass 150.00 J. M. Prendergast, Boston, Mass 100. OO Frank W. Remick, Boston, Mass 200. 00 Franklin Dexter, Boston, Mass 100. 00 Gordon Dexter, Boston, Mass 100.00 I. Tucker Burr, Boston, Mass 150. 00 Thomas B. Gannett, Boston, Mass 150.00 Dewey, Gould & Co., Boston, Mass 200. 00 2192 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Dec. 11, 1919— Continued. Charles W. Ryder, Boston, Mass $100.00 George W. Brown, Boston, Mass 100. 00 Stuart W. AVebb, Boston, Mass lOo! 00 Francis R. Hart, Boston, Mass 15o! 00 Gordon Abbott, Boston, Mass 150.00 Leslie Langill, Boston, Mass 100. 00 S. M .Weld, Boston, Mass 150.00 Courtenay Guild. Boston, Mass 150. 00 Nelson Curtis, Boston, Z^Iass 100. 00 Edwin U. Curtis, Boston, Mass 400. 00 Costello. C. Converse, Boston, Mass 150. 00 George P. Gardner, Boston, Mass 1(K). 00 Chas. E. Cotting, Boston, Mass 150. 00 Robt. Aniory, Boston, Mass 100. 00 Chas. L. Crehore, Boston, Mass 100. 00" AVallace F. Robinson, Boston, Mass 100. 00 Daniel W. F'arnsworth, Boston, Mass 150. 00 Augustus Hemenway, Boston, Mass 100. 00 Chas. F. Adams, Boston, Mass 100.00 Geo. H. Swift, Boston, Mass ^ 100. 00 IManger & Avery, Boston, Mass 750. 00 William E. Jones, Boston, Mass .500. 00 Eiseman Bi-os., Boston, Mass 400.00 Rosenthal Bros., Boston, Mass 400. 00 Hills & Nichols, Boston, Mass 400. 00 Chas. F. Cross & Co., Boston, Mass 300. 00 Elroy AV. Houghton, Boston, Mass 100. 00 Jacob H. AA^ood Co., Boston, Mass 100. 00 Howard At wood, Boston, Mass 100. 00 W. M. Marston, Boston, Mass 100. 00 John P. Reynolds, Boston, Mass 150. 00 Stephen M. AA'eld & Co.. Boston, Mass 1,000.00 Jeremiah AA illiams & Co., Boston, IMass 250. 00 Studley & Emery, Boston, Mass 450. 00 Henry Hornblovrer, Boston, Mass 250.00 L. Q. AA'hite, Boston, Mass 500.00 Henry L. Lapham. Boston, Mass 500. 00 Bertram H. & Howard S. Borden, Boston, Mass 1, 000. 00 H. M. Cole, Boston, Mass 250.00 Edwin S. AA^enster, Boston, Mass 250.00 Chas. E. Riley, Boston, Mass 250.00 J. R. Lesson, Boston, Mass 250.00 Carl K. Bacon, Boston, Mass 250. 00 Philip L. Reed, Boston, Mass 250. 00 Lucius J. Knowles, Boston, Mass 500. 00 George Upton, Boston, INIass 750. 00 S. AA' . Bridges, Boston, Mass 150. 00 Sev.ard AA^ Jones, Boston, Mass 200.00 Walter H. Paige, New Bedford, Mass 100. 00 John Neild, New Bedford, Mass 100. 00 Frank S. AVilcox, New Bedford, INIass 100. 00 John Strongman. New Bedford, Mass 100. 00 James Thompson, New Bedford, Mass 400. 00 C. O. Dexter, New Bedford, Mass 100. 00 F. H. McDevitt, New Bedford, Mass 100.00 William O. Devoll, New Bedford, Mass 200.00 John Sullivan, New Bedford, Mass 100.00 C. M. Holmes, New Bedford, Mass 100.00 C. M. Holmes, New Bedford. Mass 100. 00 Henry Y. Tiffany, New Bedford, Mass 100.00 C. S. Kelley, jr., New Bedford, Mass 100. 00 A. AV. Forbes, New Bedford, Mass 200.00 A. R. Sharp, New Bedford, INIass 500.00 A. S. Mason, New Bedford, Mass 400.0^ Dec. 10, 1919: H. C. Haskins, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Phillips Phoenix. New York City 100. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2193 Dec. 11, 1919: Mrs. John Henry Hammond, New York City $1, 000. 00 ^Irs. J. H. Prentice, New York City 100.00 :Nrrs. Paul D. Cravnth, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Malcolm D. Whitman, New York City_^ 500. 00 Mrs. .Jiio. D. Ptockefeller, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Henry Seligman, New York City 1, 000. 00 Dec. 12, 1919: Mrs. Clias. D. Wetmore, New York City 2o0. 00 Louis Runkel, New York City 1, 000. 00 Dec. 15. 1919: Fritz Lindenmeyer, New York City 100. 00 Gustave Lindenmeyer, New York City 100. 00 Jonathan Bulkley, New York City 250. 00 Dec. 16, 1919 : Mrs. Geo. D. Cross, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. G. E. Kissel, New Jersey 100. 00 Mrs. W. H. Truesdale, New York Citv 100. 00 Dec. 18, 1919: Mrs. J. P. Grace, New York City 250. 00 Mrs. Felix Warburg, New York City 1, 000. 00 :\[rs. Walter B. James, New York City 250. 00 N. E. Drake, Brooklyn, N. Y .500. 00 F. S. Vreeland, Brooklyn, N. Y 5(X). 00 Hinry Minners, Brooklyn, N. Y ^ 100. 00 F. H. Bennett, New York City 100. 00 Dec. 22, 1919 : Mrs. Oliver G. Jennings, New York Citv 200. 00 William Mitchell, New York City 1, 000. 00 :Mrs. Henry W. De Forest, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Jonathan Bulkley, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Frederick Moss, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. AVhitney Warren, New York City • 2.50. 00 Mrs. Anson Burchard, New York City . 200. 00 Mrs. Chas. E. Miller, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Odgen Mills, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Whitelaw Reid, New York City 500. 00 Dec. 23, 1919 : Mrs. George S. Brewster, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Mary C. Alexander, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. C. Hallam Keep, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. W. R. Tinken, New York City 200. 00 Dec. 24, 1919: Mrs. Walter G. Oakman, New York City 250. 00 Mrs. S. R. Guggenheim, New York City 100. 00 Miss Flora Whitney, New York City 1,000.00 Mrs. Stuart Duncan, New York Citv 100. 00 A. Kingslev Macomber, HoUister, Calif 1,000.00 Dec. 26, 1919 : Mrs. Richard M. Hoe, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Theodore Schulze, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. F. F. Thompson, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. J. B. Duke, New York City 500. 00 Dominick & Dominick, New York City 1, 000. 00 Dec. 30, 1919 : Miss Barbara Whitney, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. F. W. Vanderbilt, New York City 500. 00 Mrs. William Hay ward, New York City 1,000.00 Mrs. Clarence M. Hyde, New York City 100. 00 O. J. McConnell, New York Citv 500. 00 Dec. 31, 1919 : W. F. Etherington, New York City 250. 00 Jan. 2, 1920: Mrs. Goodhue Livingston, New York City 400. 00 Mrs. Alvin W. Krech, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Fred H. Betts, New York City 200. 00 Mrs. EUery S. James, New York City 100. 00 2194 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. • Jan. 2, 1920— Continued. Mrs. Russell Hpadley, New York City $100. 00 Mrs. Helen A. Hoadley, New York City ]00. 00 Ernest R. Ackerman, Plainfield, N. J 1, 000. 00 H. P. Howell, New York City 125. 00 Mrs. Edward Van Ingen, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Wm. A. Read, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. P. A. Valentine, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Walter B. Jennings, New York City 100. 00 Tudver, Hayes & Bartholomew, Boston, Mass 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Charles MacNeill, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Tiffany Richardson, New York Citv 100. 00 Jan. 3, 1920 : Guy E. Tripp, New York City 1, 000. 00 E. B. Schley, New York City 500. 00 Mrs. W. D. Sloane, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Wm. B. Thompson, New York City 1, 000. 00 . Mrs. Harry Sinclair, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Fred Pratt, Brooklyn, N. Y 100. 00 Jan. 5, 1920 : J. S. Alexander, New York City 500.00 H. S. Shonnard, New York City 1, 000. 00 H. H. Raymond, New York City 1, 000. 00 F. D. M. Strachan, New York City 1,000.00 B. B. Vander Veer, New York City 100. 00 Lewis E. Pierson. New York City 1, 000. 00 C. F. Bliss, New York City 1, 000. 00 C. N. Bliss, jr., New York City 1, 000. 00 Samuel P. Colt, New York City 1, 000. 00 John D. Rockefeller, New York City 1,000.00 John D. Rockefeller, jr., New York City 1, 000. 00 Jan. 7, 1920 : Mrs. Jas. A. Burden, jr.. New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. H. P. Bingham, New York City 100. 00 H. B. Thayer, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jan. 8, 1920: George Blumenthal, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jan. 9, 1920: Mrs. Mary W. Harriman, New York City 2, 000. 00 Mrs. C. C. Tegethoff, New York City 200. 00 Miss Corbel i a Landon, New York City 200. 00 Mrs. Chas. Lawrence, Bayshore, L. I 200.00 Mrs. Francis M. Wolcott, Colony Club, N. Y 200.00 Mrs. Paul Dougherty, New York City 200. 00 MrvS. Jas. Rogerson, New York City 200.00 Mrs. E. A. Harriman, New York City 200. 00 Mrs. S. B. Brigham, New York City 200. 00 Mrs. W. G. Lyle, New York City 200. 00 Mrs. C. C. Rumsey, Glen Head, L. I 000. 00 Mrs. R. Penn Smith, jr.. New York City 600. 00 Mrs. Geo. D. Pratt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. McDougall Hawkes, New York City 250. 00 Mrs. John T. Pratt, New York City 1,000.00 Miss Helen C. Frick, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Chas. E. Hughes, New York City 250. 00 Mrs. C. A. Coffin, New York City 100. 00 Ogden L. Mills, New York City 1,000.00 Howard T'hipps, New York City 1,000.00 Henry C. Phipps, New York City 1. 000. 00 Jan. 10, 1920 : . Mrs. Geo. Blumenthal, New York City 100.00 A. C. Clark, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. W\ W. Aldrich; New York City 200. 00 Edwin S. Schenck, New York City 250. 00 J. R. McClement, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. N. I. Pratt, New York City 1, 000. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2195 Jan. 12, 1920 : Wm. J. Burns, New York City $1, 000. 00 Malcolm D. Whitman, New York City 500. 00 J. P. Stevens, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jan. 13, 1920 : Mrs. Roy A. Rainey, New York City 100. 00 Jan. 15. 1920 : Mrs. B. S. Prentice, New York City i 500. 00 Mrs. Peter B. Wvckoff, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. O. Iselin, Westbury, L. I 500.00 Jan. 16, 1920 : Col. Wm. B. Thompson, New York City 1, 000. 00 B. F. Bailey, New York City 250. 00 Jan. 17, 1920 : Mrs. Henry Clews, New York City 200. 00 Mrs. Wm. W. Phelps, New York City 500. 00 Mrs. John Markle, New York City 200. 00 Jan. 20, 1920 : Mrs. John Morron, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Jas. G. Blaine, New York City • 100.00 Mrs. W. Emlen Roosevelt, New York City 200. 00 Mrs. John H. Criesel, New York City 100. 00 Jan. 21, 1920 : Mr. Frederick B. Piatt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mr. Herbert L. Pratt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mr. John T. Pratt, New York City 1, 000.00' Harold I. Pratt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. W. K. Vanderbilt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Eleanor J. King. New York City 1, 000. 00 Republican League of Massachusetts, Boston, Mass 20,000.00 Mr. John Willys, New York City 1, 000. 00 E. C. Converse, New York City 1, 000. 00 N. E. Drake, New York City 500. 00 Chas. F. Ayer, New York City 100. 00 D. A. Schulto, New York City 1,000.00 H. E. Dodge, New York City 100. 00 John Conley, New York City 250. 00 Wm. E. Corey, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jan. 22, 1920 : W. D. Breaker, New York City 1, 000. 00 Ridley Watts, New York City 1. 000. 00 Francis L. Hine, New York City 1, 000. 00 J. F. Farrell, New York City 1, 000. 00 Wm. H. Nichols, New York City 1, 000. 00 J. Parker, New York City 1, 000. 00 R. L. Agassiz, New York City 500. 00 Chas. E. Sampson, New York City 1, 000. 00 W. H. Aldridge, New York City 500. 00 F. F. Fitzpatrick, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jan. 23, 1920 : Warren Cruikshank, New York City 1,000.00 W. S. Mowris, New York City 1, 000. 00 Frank G. Kennedy, Philadelphia, Pa 500. 00 -John J. Watson, New York City 1, 000. 00 Wm. P. Jenks, New York City 1, 000. 00 Leopold Frederick, New York City 250. 00 G. P. Smith, New York Citv ^ 1, 000. 00 A. R. Gallatin, New York City 500. 00 Chas. H. Blair, New York City 200. 00 E. H. Gary, New York City 1, 000. 00 C. A. Braman, New York City 1, 000. 00 Chas. M. Chapin, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jan. 24, 1920 : C. L. Dimon, New York City 1, 000. 00 E. L. Adams, New York City 500. 00 Mrs. Louise T. Lord, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. F. W. Allen, New York City 500.00 Miss Ruth V. Twombly, New York City 1, 000. 00 2196 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Jan. 24, 1920— Continued. Mrs. Reginald Barclay, New York City $500. 00 S. Hinman Bii-d, New York City 100.00 Mrs. Hugh D. Auchincloss, New Yoi-k City 500. 00 Mrs. Herbert L. Satterlee, New York City 500. 00 (Jlarence H. Mackay, New York City 1, 000. 00 J. Leonard Replogle, New York City 1, 000. 00 J. F. Alvord, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jan. 26, 1920 : Ambrose Monell, New York City 1, 000. 00 •Thos. W. Slocum, New York City 1, 000. 00 A. B. Murtha, New York City 150.00 Wm. D. Guthrie, New York, N. Y 500.00 Jan. 27, 1920: Michael Dreicer, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Mary B. Rogers, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 Geo. J. Whelan, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Joshua Cosden, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 Jan. 28, 1920: Mr. S. R. Guggenheim, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Wm. H. Moore, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 Mrs. Martin Egan, New York, N. Y 100. 00 Mrs. Wm. H. Porter, New York, N. Y 100. 00 Mrs. J. K. Aldred, New York. N. Y 2-50.00 Mrs. Reeve Schley, New York, N. Y 100. 00 Mrs. .Joseph E. Davis, New York, N. Y 100.00 Mrs. Edwin C. Jameson, New York, N. Y 200. 00 Mrs. James Barclay, New York, N. Y 100.00 Mrs. George B. French, New York, N. Y 100. 00 Mrs. Charles E. Mitchell, New Y(irk, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Benedict J. Greenhut, New York, N. Y 100.00 Mr. Otis H. Cutler. New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Mr. Henry P. Davison, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 Jan. 29, 1920: Mrs. Wm. Ross Proctor, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 J. B. Cobb, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Charles A. Terry, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 L. J. Robertson, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 E. W. Sinclair, Tulsa, Okla 500.00 Joseph Clendenin, New York, N. Y 2.50. 00 Andrew Fletcher, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Hamilton F. Kean, Elizabeth, N. J 1, 000. 00 Aldred & Co, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 F. M. Kirby, Wilkes Barre, Pa 1, 000. 00 Charles T. Hubbs, New York, N. Y 100. 00 Jan. 31, 1920: Mrs. E. J. Steiner, New York, N. Y 1, 000. 00 M. Friedsam, New York, N. Y 1,000.00 B. G. Grace, South Bethlehem, Pa 1,000.00 Mrs. Eliha Chauncey, South Bethlehem, Pa 300.00 Charles M. Schwab, South Bethlehem, Pa 1,000.00 Percival R. Lowe, South Bethlehem, Pa 200. 00 Feb. 2, 1920: W. E. Frow, New York City 1, 000. 00 W. A. Nash, New York City 1, 000. 00 R. D. Brown, New York City 100. 00 D. B. Sherer, New York City 100. 00 F. T. Martin, New York City 100. 00 Feb. 3, 1920: E. Clarence .Tones, New York City__ 1, 000. 00 Geo. H. Flinn, Pittsburgh, Pa 2, 000. 00 H. S. Collins, New York City 1, 000. 00 Thomas Cochran, New York City 1, 000. 00 Ogden Mills, New York City 1, 000. 00 Eiiot Wadsworth, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Francis McN. Bacon. New York City 100, 00 Mrs. Paul G. Morton, New York City 100. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2197 Feb. 4. 1920: O. B. Perry, New York City $200. 00 W. H .Perkins, New York City 1, 000. 00 G. W. McGarrali, New York City 1, 000. 00 L. Toro, New York City 500. 00 John K. MacGowan, New York City 200. 00 Feb. 6. 1920: Robert M. Thompson, New York City 1, 000. 00 Charles E. O'Hara. New York City 250. 00 E. F. Colladay, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. F. P. Frazier, New York City , 100. 00 Feb. 9, 1920: J. Louis Schaefer, New York City 1, 000. 00 George AVhitney, Westbury, L. I 1, 000. 00 C. R. Petri. Westbury, L. I 100. 00 C. A. Coffin, Westbury, L. I 1. GOO. 00 Ricliard A. Monks, Westbury, L. I 200. 00 Everett B. Sweezy, Westbury, L. I 125. 00 Francis D. Bartwo. W^estbury, L. I 125. 00 Feb. 10, 1920: Edward Perry Townsend, Ngw York City 100. 00 C. A. W^impfheimer, New York City 1,000.00 H. H. Powell, New York City 500. 00 Edward Townsend, New York City 1,000 00 John McHugh, New York City 5 00. 00 Mrs. Henry O. Hoyt, New York City 500. 00 Mrs. J. B. A. Fosburgh, New York City 100. 00 Feb. 11. 1920 : Lady Joseph Duveen, New York City— 500. 00 Leopold Demuth, New York City 200. 00 Charles D. Norton, New York City ^ 250. 00 Feb. 13, 1920 : Joseph Edward Thompson, New York 500. 00 George F. Baker, New York 1, 000. 00 Theo. F. Merseles, New York 500. 00 Feb. 14, 1920: Mrs. Harry Payne Whitney. New York 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Michael Gavin, New York 2~)i). 00 Mrs. Cornelius Bliss, jr., New York 100. 00 Mrs. John W^illys, New York 1,000.00 Mrs. Daniel Tenney, New York 100. 00 Feb. 16, 1920: Republican League of Massachusetts, Boston, Mass 5, 000. 00 D. B. Wentz, Philadelphia, Pa 1, 000. 00 E. C. Lufkin, New York City 200. 00 Ellis Weinwright, Palm Beach, Fla 500.00 Feb. 17, 1920: John R. Morron, New York City 500. 00 Mrs. Wm. Barbour, New York City 100. 00 Feb. 18, 1920: George M. Clark, New York City__: 100. 00 A. V. Ostrom, New York City 100. 00 Feb. 20, 1920: Mrs. Chas. Auchincloss, New York Citv 500. 00 C. W. Barron, New York City 1, 0(K). 00 Mrs. E. N. Potter, jr.. New York Citv 100. 00 Cha.s. E. Rushmore, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jas. Wright, New York City 100. 00 F. A. Vanderlip, New York Citv 1, 000. 00 Feb. 21, 1920: T. L. Townsend, Washington, D. C 100. 00 J. E. Mayfield, Washington, D. C 100. 00 E. C. Graham, Washington, D. C 800. 00 Geo. S. Dearborn, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Louis E. Stoddard, New York City 100. 00 Miss Katherine Mackay, New York City 100. 00 2198 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Feb. 26, 1920: Henry Krurab, New York City $500. 00 Prank C. Munson, New York City 250. 00 Mrs. Jas. Mabon, New York City 250. 00 Fred'k S. Peck, Providence, 11. 1 • 1 000 00 Feb. 27, 1920: E. P. Swenson, New York City 1, 000. 00 Wm. Hamlin Childs, New York City 1,000.00 A. M. White, New York City 1,000.00 Mrs. Jolm J. Knox^ New York City 100. 00 Chas. A. Stone, New York City 1, 000. 00 Otto H. Kahn, New York Citv 1, 000 00 Feb. 28, 1920: Messmore Kendall, New York City_ 1, 000. 00 Mar. 1, 1920 : Mrs. Peter Larson, New York City 500. 00 ' W. C. Burant, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mar. 4, 1920 : William W. Williams, Brooklyn, N. Y 100. 00 Mrs. Paul Morton, New York City 100. 00 Lizzie P. Bliss, New York City 500. 00 J. H. Schoonmaker, New York City 1, 000. 00 H. K. Twitchell, New York City 250. 00 William L. Fish, New York City 100. 00 Walter Scott, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mar. 8, 1920: Anson W. Burchard, New York City 1, 000. 00 Wm. H. Harding, Philadelphia, Pa 1,000.00 J. M. Hansen, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 Mar. 9, 1920 : J. II. Williston, New York City 500. 00 Mar. 11, 1920 : Mrs. Wortham Hames, New York City 1,000.00 Edward M. Weld, New York City 1, 000. 00 John Hays Hammond, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Wm. Goadby Loew, New York City ^ 1, 000. 00 Mar. 13, 1920 : Minor C. Keith, New York City 100. 00 C. F. Sturhahn, New York City 100. 00 Raymond E. Jones, New York City 100. 00 Geo. Zabriskie, New York City 100.00 Mar. 16, 1920 : Mrs. William Fahnestock, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Grayson Murphy, New York City 250. 00 Mrs. Charles Norton, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Henry P. Fletcher, New York City 500. 00 Mar. 17, 1920: Granville F. Dailey, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Mc C. Beard, New York City 500. 00 Franklin Remington, New Y^ork City 500. 00 Mar. 18, 1920 : T. A. Gillespie, New York City 1,000.00 Felix N. Warburg, New York City 1, 000. 00 William P. Jackson, Salisbury, Md 500.00 Mar. 23, 1920 : Wm. D. Judson, New York City 250. 00 W. H. Woodin, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. W. H. Nichols, New York City 100. 00 Mar. 25, 1920 : E. R. Kemp, Tulsa, Okla 500. 00 Christian Bahnsen, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jos. B. Seaman, New York City 500. 00 Stephen Birch, New York City 1, 000. 00 Chas. Havden, New York City 1,000.00 Mar. 29, 1920 : H. Content New York City 1. 000. 00 A. L. Scheuer, New York City 1, 000. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2199 Mar. 31, 1920: T. F. Maiiville, New York City $1. 000. 00 Dwight W. Morrow. New York City 1, 000. 00 Frederick H. Brooke, Wasliington, D. C 350. 00 Mrs. DeLancey Kouiitse, New Yorl^ City 500. 00 Charles Edgar, Essex Falls, N. J 1, 000.00 Apr. 1. 1920: Frank W. Holmes, New York City 500. 00 Lucius R. Eastman, New- York City 1, 000. 00 Murrv Guggenheim, New York City 1, 000. 00 Apr. 3. 1920: Samuel S. Blood, New York City 100. 00 Jacquelin & DeCoppet. New York City 250. 00 Mrs. Eugene Van R. Thayer. New York City 200. 00 John McE. Bowman. New York City 1, 000. 00 Edward , M. Dulin, Washington, D. O 100.00 Frank L. Wagner, Washington, D. C 200. 00 Frederic D. McKenney, Washington, D. C 250. 00 F. AV. McKenzie, Washington, D. C 100. 00 Julius Garfinkle & Co., Washington, D. C 500. 00 Samuel J. Prescott, Washington, D. C 1, 000. 00 Samuel P. Colt, Providence, R. I 1, 000. 00 Frederick L. Jenckes. Pawtucket, R. I 1, 000. 00 Edward E. Arnold, Providence, R. I 1,000.00 J. J. Bodell, Providence, R. I 1, 000. 00 Isaac B. Merriman, Pawtucket, R. I 1, 000. 00 Wm. C. Breed, New York City 250. 00 Henry H. Abbott, New York City 250.00 Geo. W. Morgan, New York Citv 250. 00 Charles C. Lloyd, New York City 200. 00 S. T. Hubbard, jr., New York City 1, 000. 00 AValter Jennings, New York City 1. 000. 00 Sherwood Aldrich, New York City 1, 000. 00 Percival S. Hill, New York Citv 1, 000. 00 E. P. Cronkhite, New York City 1, 000. 00 E. E. Smather. New York City 1, 000. 00 Isaac Guggenheim, New York City 500. 00 E. H. Steiger, Milwaukee, Wis 250. 00 Mrs. Paul Morton. New York City 100. 00 Apr. 4, 1920: Henry B. Sharpe, Providence, R. I 1, 000. 00 .Tames R. McColl, Providnece, R. I 1, 000. 00 Percy M. Chandler, Philadelphia, Pa 1,000.00 W. Hinckle Smith. Philadelphia, Pa 1, 000. 00 Windsor T. White, Cleveland, Ohio 1, 000. 00 Apr. 12, 1920: Edward F. Atkins, Belmont, Mass 1. 000. 00 John L. Saltonstall, Beverly, Mass 1, 000. 00 Jesse P. Lyman, Boston, Mass . 750. 00 Lawrence Minat, Boston, Mass 250. 00 Charles F. Ayer, Boston. Mass 175. 00 Richard S. Russell, Bo.ston. Mass 100.00 Edward C. .Tohnson, Boston, ]\Lass 200. 00 Geo. Wigglesworth, INIilton, Mass 250. 00 J. E. Stanton, Jr., New Bedford, Mass 500. 00 Fred T. Loy, Springfield, Mass 250. 00 David H. Fanning. Worcester, Mass - 250. 00 H. W. Goddard. Worcester, Mass 250.00 Geo. H. Lumb, Pawtucket, R. I 500.00 Joseph E. Fletcher, Providence, R. I 1, 000. 00 AVebster Knight, Providence, R. I 1,000.00 John S. Holbrook. Providence, R. I 1. 000. 00 Samuel M. Nicholson, Providence, R. I 1,000.00 John Johnston, Pawtucket, R. I 1,000.00 .Tames C. Potter, Pawtucket, R. I 1,000.00 LeRoy Fales, Pawtucket. R. I 500.00 2200 PRESIDENTIAL. CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Apr. 12, 1920— Continued. Albert A. Jenks, Pawtucket, R. I $500. 00 Edward E. Leonard, Pawtucket, R. I 1, 000. 00 B. C. Chace, Pawtucket, R. I 1,000.00 Eugene Jackson. Providence, R. I 1, 000. 00 C. Prescott Kniglit, Providence, R. I 1,000.00 Lyman B. Goff, Pawtucket, R. I 1,000.00 Apr. 13, 1920: De Lancey Kountze, New York City 500. 00 Leo D. Greenfield, New York City 100. 00 Tucker, Anthony & Co., New Yoi-k City 500. 00 Gangler & Fransicli, New York City 150. 00 Walter H. Filor, New York City 1, 000. 00 Jeremiah Milbank, New York City 1, 000. 00 Geo. D. Pratt, New York City 1, 000. OO Geo. D. Pratt, jr.. New York City 1. 000. 00 Sherman Pratt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Nicholas Murray Butler, New^ York City 100. 00 J. S. Auerbach, New York City 500. OO A. L. Auerbach, New York City 500. 00 Apr. 14, 1920: Geo. F. Baker, jr.. New York City 1, 000. 00 Daniel Guggenheim, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Thomas H. Frothingham, New York City 200. 00 Apr. 16, 1920: Stephen O. Metcalf, Providence, R. I 1, 000. 00 Thomas A. Howell, New York City 1, 000. 00 Miss Marie L. Willard, Rochester, N. Y 100. 00 George Eastman, Rochester, N. Y 2, 000. 00 Clarence E. Chapman, New York City 1, 000. 00 Lyman D. Smith, New York City 1, 000. 00 M. L. Morgenthau, New York City 1, 000. 00 Apr. 19, 1920 : Richard A. Strong, New York City 1, 000. 00 S. B. Chapin & Co., New York City 250. 00 Albert R. Fish, New York City 1, 000. 00 Joseph R. Dilworth, New York City 250. 00 Juiien T. Da vies, New York Citv 150. 00 Apr. 20, 1920 : A. N. Laventhal, New York City 100. 00 F. S. Vreeland, Brooklyn, N. Y 500.00 H. C. Turner, New York Citv 100. OO Bertram H. Borden, New York City 1, 000. 00 Howard S. Bordon, New York City 2, 000. 00 Theodore F. Whitmarsh, New York City 1,000.00 John Sanford, Amsterdam, N. Y 1. 000. 00 Apr. 22, 1920 : E. W. Eager, New York City 150. 00 Apr. 23, 1920 : R. J. Caldwell, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Wm. R. Simons, New York City 100. 00 Apr. 24, 1920 : F. Jarrigeon, Brooklyn, N. Y 100.00 Antonin Chapel, Brooklyn, N. Y 100.00 Herman Basch, Brooklyn, N. Y 100.00 J. E. Sicterley, New York City 100. 00 Hiram W. Siblev, Rochester, N. Y 1.000.00 Mrs. Hiram W. Sibley, New York City 500. 00 Apr. 27, 1920 : Alfred M. Coats, Providence, R. I 1,000.00 Joseph Ott, Pawtucket, R. I 1, OOO 00 John F. Street, Pawtucket, R. I lOO 00 D. G. Dery, New York City 1, 000. 00 ■ Mrs. Herbert Pratt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Philip L. Schell, New York City 1,000.00 Rufus W. Scott Co., New York City 1,000.00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2201 Apr. 28. 1920 : Mrs. Courtlandt D. Barnes, New York City $100. 00 Jules S. Bache, New York City 1,000.00 Micliael F. Phelan, New York City 100. 00 E. D. Pouch, New York City 100.00 J. Adolph Mollenhaiier, Brooldyn, N. Y 1,000.00 Apr. 30, 1920 : George M. Pynclion, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. AValter Mavnard, New York City 100. 00 May 3, 1920 : J. H. Thompson, New York City 1, 000. 00 Alfred P. Boehm, New York Citv 1, 000. 00 George W. Foster, New York City 1, 000. 00 M. S. Kemmerer, New York Citv 1, 000. 00 Sol. Wexler. New York City : 1, 000. 00 Hon. N. y. Y. Franchott, Clean, N. Y 750. 00 Walter B. Johnson, New York City 100.00 F. R. Whitten, New York City 100.00 Edwin C. Johnson. New York City 200.00 Franklin Johnson, New York Citv 200.00 May 4, 1920: Robert C. Kerr, New York City 250. 00 Lawrence Marx, New York Citv 250.00. W. W. Barbour, New York City 1, 000. 00 Frank A. Harden, New York City 250. 00 A. L. Sylvester, New York City 1,000.00 W. C. Teagle, New York City 1,000.00 Walter J. Fahy, New York City 1, 000. 00 D. L. Goff:, Pawtucket, R. I 1,000.00 Darius Goff, Pawtuckett, R. I 1,000.00 J. F. Syme, Pawtucket, R. I 1, 000. 00 John Lawson, Central Falls, R. I 500. 00 May 5, 1920: Mrs. Fredk. C. Brown, New York City 100. 00 Henrv W. T. jNLali & Co., New York City 1,000.00 Ethan Allen, New York City 500. 00 May 6, 1920: Mrs. William Hamlin C^hilds, Brooklyn, N. Y . 500. 00 IMrs. James Howell Post, Brooklyn, N. Y 100. 00 Eustis L. Hopkins, New York City 100. 00 Anthony Schneider, New York City 1,000.00 E. J. Steer, New York City 200.00 James H. Mc(4raw, New York City 1,000.00 William B. Schiller. Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 Andrew K. Jencks, Providence, R. I 1,000.00 Chas. O. Read, Pawtucket, R. I 1,000.00 Kenneth F. Wood, Providence, R. I 1, 000. 00 Edward E. Woolley, Woonsocket, R. I 1, 000. 00 William B. MacColl, Providence, R. I 750. 00 E. C. Bucklin, Providence, R. I 100. 00 Geo. H. Cahoone, Providence, R. I 200. 00 May 7, 1920: C. Ledyard Blaire, New York City 1, 000. 00 1. Townsend Burden, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. Wm-. G. Rockefeller, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. J. H. Thompson, Mount Vernon, N. Y 950. 00 John Hood, New York City 250. 00 May 10, 1920 : Henry Chalfant, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 D. S. Mackay & Co., New York City 100. 00 Ranald H. MacDonald, New York City 1, 000. 00 Colby M. Chester, Jr., New York City 1. 000. 00 May 8, 1920 : James A. Harden, New York City 2.50. 00 J. D. Clarke, New York City 100. 00 G. A. Adams, New York City 500. 00 2202 PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. May 8, 1920— Continued. John Reisenweber, Brooklyn, N. Y $100. 00 Wm. G. Broadway, New York City 250. 00 W. S. Prankard, New Y^ork City 100. 00 Isidore Gelbtrunk, New York City 100. 00 H. & W. H. Lewis, New York City 500. 00 H. M. Stoclvton & Co, New York City 250. 00 W. H. Duval, New Y^ork City 500. 00 Wm. Stroud & Co., New Y'^ork City 100. 00 May 10, 1920 : Byron S. Adams & W. J. Eynon, Washington, D. C 150. 00 Frank J. Hogan, Washington, D. C 1, 000. 00 Wm. Ramsay, Washington, D. C 100.00 Theodore W. Noyes, Washington, D. C ^ 500. 00 . May 11, 1920 : Mrs. Fletcher D. Proctor, Proctor, Vt 1, 000. 00 - Edward H. Everett, Bennington, Vt 500. 00 Emily Proctor Eggleston, Proctor, Vt 500. 00 Albert Keller, New York City 100. 00 Victor Norawetz, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Eugene Grace, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Paul Gottheil, New York City , 100. 00 Thompson Smith, Lewiston, Me 1, 000. 00 Mrs. F. C. Perkins, Southampton, N. Y 100. 00 Mrs. George O. Knapp, New York City 200. 00 W. W. Warner, New York City 200.00 Thomas L. Foulkes, New York City 100. 00 May 12, 1920 : Howard Atwood, Bolton, Mass 200.00 Still man F. Kellery, Cambridge, Mass 100. 00 Geo. E. Davis, Nortli Andover, Mass 100. 00 Geo. B. Kunhardt, North Andover, Mass 100. 00 Moses T. Stevens, North Andover, Mass 100. 00 John H. Stone, North Andover, Mass 100. 00 Geo. H. Simonds, North Andover, Mass 100. 00 Granville E. Foss, North Andover, Mass 100. 00 Fred W. Steele, North Andover, Mass 100. 00 J. W. Coe, Holden, Mass 250.00 Cecil Q. Adams, Wellesley, Mass 100.00 E. F. Jones, Worcester, Mass 100. 00 N. C. G. Bell, Worcester, Mass 100. 00 Edgar Reed, Worcester, Mass 100. 00 John E. White, Worcester, Mass 300. 00 Block, Maloney & Co., New York City 1, 000. 00 W. Emlen Roosevelt, New York' City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. H. Fairlield Osborn, New York City 100. 00 May 14, 1920 : I»aul (Juenther, Dover, N. J 1.000.00 Walter W. Taylor, Montclair, N. J . 250. 00 Mrs. Edmond S. Twining, New York City, N. Y 100. 00 Thos. L. Leeming. Brooklvn, N. Y 100. 00 Alvah Miller, Brooklyn, N. Y 100.00 Fisher & Kennedy, New York City, N. Y 100. 00 E. I. Goodrich, New York City, N. Y 500. 00 Jos. H. Em-ery, New York City, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Thos. W. Davis, New York City, N. Y 250. 00 David C. Waring, New York City, N. Y 1(X>. 00 E. M. Townsend & Co., New York (pity, N. Y 250 00 Bacon & Co., New York City, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Mr. and Mrs. Mortimer L. Scliitf, New Y^n-k City, N. Y^ 2, 000. 00 Wm. J. Battey, New York City, N. Y 100. 00 T. B. Yuille, New York City, N. Y . 500.00 Mav 17, 1920: Wm. P. Palmer, New York City, N. Y__- 1, 0(K). 00 Geo. H. Clapp, Seewickley, Pa 1,000.00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2203 May 15, 1920: A. L. Robertson, New York City, N. Y $1, 000. 00 M. T. Richardson, New York City, N. Y 500. 00 James Sliewan, New York City, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Frank L. Avery, Ridgewoocl, N. J 100. OO May IS, 1920* C. J. Obermeyer, Brooldyn, N. Y 250. 00 Robt. T. Francis, New York City, N. Y 100. 00 Henry C. Martin, New York City, N. Y 250. 00- Edward C. B um, Brooklyn, N. Y 1,000.00 John A. Eclvert, New York City, N. Y 250. 00 Henry M. Wells, Brooklyn, N. Y 100. 00 Herman Stutzer, Brooklyn, N. Y 10<). 00 Fredk. Vietor & Aclielis, New York City, N. Y 1,000.00 L. F. Dommerich & Co., New York City, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Charles R. Rushmore, New York City, N. Y 1, 000. OO Moreau Delano, New York City, N. Y 500. 00 May 19, 1920 : Mrs. Wm. Kissam, New York City, N. Y 100. 00 Albert Cohen, New York City, N. Y 100. OO Ludwig Nissen, Brooklyn, N. Y 500. 00 Mrs. Fairfax Landstreet, New York City, N. Y 100. 00 Fritz Achelis, New York City, N. Y 100. 00 Stephen Valentine, Brooldyn, N. Y 100. 00 Mrs. Walter Bliss, Bernardville, N. J 100. 00 Charles McKnight, Pittsburgh, Pa 2, 000. 00 A. F. Carpenter, Rome, N. Y 860. 00 May 22, 1920 : J. M. Hansen, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 W. S. Mitchell, Pittsburgh, Pa 250. OO J. H. Moore, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Lewis A. Park, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Thomas Morrison, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 J. H. Park, Pittsburgh, Pa 500.00 H. C. McEldowney, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Gordon & Smith, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Louis Brown, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Sol. Rosenblum, Pittsburgh, Pa 100.00 C. D. Marshall, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. OO H. H. McCIintic, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00 W. J. Patterson, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00 Jas. L. Stuart, Pittsburgh, Pa U)0. 00 R. H. Boggs, Pittsburgh. Pa 1, 000. 00 Jas. D. Callery, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. OO Harry C. Graham, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 William L. Monro, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 William Price, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 D. S. Zimmerman, Somerset, Pa 1, 000. 00 J. Barlow Cullum, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 W. J. Johnson, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00 Nathaniel Holmes, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. OO W. N. Ballard, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 J. R. McCune, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. OO C. D. Armstrong, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 Norwood Johnston, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 "H. L. Mason, jr., Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 J. B. Shea, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000 00 A. E. Sixsmith, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 H. M. Johnson, Pittsburgh, Pa 1. 000. 00 Leon Falk, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. OO Maurice Falk, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00 J. H. Reed, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Frank J. Lanahan, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Roy A. Hunt, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000 00 Arthur V. Davis. Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 F. W. Howell, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. OO William Flinn, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 2204 PRESIDENTIAL, CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. May 22, 1920— Continued. J. D. Lyon, Pittsburgh, Pa $1,000.00 E. M. Byers, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 J. Frederick Byers, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 W. Harry Brown, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 Geo. W. Crawford, Pittsburgh, Pa 2,000.00 J. C. Trees, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 Alvah K. Lawrie, Pittsburgh, Pa 500.00 S. A. Pickering, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 B. Thaw, Pittsburgh, Pa 100. GO* William McConway, Pittsburgh, Pa 500.00 William McConway, Jr., Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00| A. W. Mellon, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 Howard Heinz, Pittsbu]-gh, Pa 500. 00 R. B. Mellon, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 G. W. Malone, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 C. B. Ferree, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 ' E. W. Mudge, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 B. F. Jones, Jr., Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Lucv Lippitt, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00 G. M. Laughlin. Jr., Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 Alice Jones Willock, Sewickley Heights, Pa 1,000.00 Henry Laughlin, Philadelphia, Pa 2,000.00 H. H. Laughlin, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Elizabeth M. Home, Sewickley Heights, Pa 1,000.00 Mrs. A. Laughlin, Jr., Pittsburgh. Pa 1,000.00 Henry Chalfant, trustee, Pittsburgh, Pa____ 1,000.00 Charles M. Swift, Ferrisburg, Vt 500.00 Mrs. Anson McCook Beard, Tuxedo, N. Y 250. 00 S. G. Mortimer. Tuxedo, N. Y 200. 00 L. S. Morris, Tuxedo, N. Y 250.00 G. G. Mason, Tuxedo, N. Y 100. 00 J. E. Davis, Tuxedo, N. Y 100. 00 William F. Velter, Highland Mills, N. Y 100. 00 R. Talbot, Tuxedo, N. Y 100.00 William Crawford, Monroe, N. Y 100.00 R. Delafield, Tuxedo, N. Y 100.00 Horace N. Stevens, New York City, N. Y 100. 00 Gilbert G. Thorne, New York City, N. Y 250. 00 Converse, Stanton & Co., New York City, N. Y 200. 00 E. P. Lea, New York City, N. Y 100. 00 Sidney Bernheimer & Co., New York City, N. Y 100. 00 Mrs. Wilham C. Potter, New York City, N. Y____ 250. 00 May 24, 1920 : Miss Frances E. White, Brooklyn, N. Y 100. 00 Mrs. H. F. Noyes, Brooklyn, N. Y 100. 00 Mrs. Edward C. Blum, Brooklyn, N. Y 100. 00 Julius Fleischmann, New York City 1, 000. 00 Clarence Dillon. New York City 1. 000. 00 T. W. Friend, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 C. W. Friend, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 May 25, 1920 : Theo. H. Lamprecht, New York City 100. 00 C. K. McCornick, New York City 500. 00 Charles A. Schiereu, New York City 100. 00 Richard Young, New York City 1,000.00 Jacob Bartscherer, Brooklyn, N. Y 100. 00 P. W. Rouss, New York Citv 250. 00 E. W. Seabrey, New York City 100. 00 Behrend & Rothschild, New York Citv 100. 00 Mrs. William Ambrose Tavlor, New York City 100. 00 Edward H. Rathbun, Woonsocket, R. I 300. 00 Wilham C. Dart, Providence, R. I 100. 00 Harry R. Milner, Westerly, R. I 500. 00 Mrs. H. S. Shonnard, Ovster Bav, N. Y 250. 00 Colgate Hoyt, Oyster Bay, N. Y 100. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2205 May 26, 1920: Richard C. Boiuly, New York City $350. 00 A. S. Haiglit & Co., New York City 100. 00 H. Ilichter's Sons, New York City 100. 00 H. M. Swetlancl, New York City 350. 00 W. H. Taylor, New York City 350. 00 Chas. G. Pliillips, New York City 300. 00 Lawrence B. Elliman, New York City 1, 000. 00 Roggen Brothers & Company, New York City 100. 00 Mrs. H. C. Phipps, Roslyn, L. I 150. 00 Mrs. Watson Webb, Woodbury, L. I 100. 00 Mrs. Otto Kalm, Woodbury, L. I 100. 00 Miss Maude A. K. Wetmore, Newport, R. I 250. 00 May 27, 1920 : John J. Miller, New York City 250. 00 Logan & Bryan, New York City 1, 000. 00 C. J. Bill wilier, jr.. New York City 500. 00 Mrs. John J. McCook, Tuxedo Park, N. Y 100. 00 Hon. Guy P. Gannett, Augusta, Me 1, 000. 00 Hon. Blaine S. Viles, Augusta, Me 1, 000. 00 May 28, 1920: E. W. Pargnsy, Pittsburgh, Pa 100. 00 Wm. Larimer Jones, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 A. Overholt & Co., Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 J. J. Kennedy, Pittsburgh, Pa 100. 00 G. R. Nutty, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00 J. W. Williams, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00 Wesley A. Looney, Pittsburgh, Pa 500.00 F. A. Leovy, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 George H. Taber, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 W. L. Mellon, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 W. V. Hartmann, Pittsburgh, Pa 500.00 AVm. P. Snyder, jr., Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Geo. L. CoUord, Pittsburgh, Pa i 1,000.00 H. N. Trimble, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 Henry Oliver Rea, I'ittsburgh, Pa 2,000.00 Edith Anne Rea, Pittsburgh, Pa 2, 000. 00 Edith Oliver Rea, Pittsburgh, Pa 2, 000. 00 D. L. Gillespie, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 E. R. Crawford, McKeesport, Pa 2, 000. 00 O. H. Babcock, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 F. R. Babcock, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 E. V. Babcock, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 W. H. Harding, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 A. C. Opperman. Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 A. R. Hamilton, Pittsburgh, Pa 1, 000. 00 A. K. Rabe, Pittsburgh, Pa ■ 500.00 P. M. Framptou, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00 A. A. Willson, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00 E. H. Stoner, Pittsburgh, Pa 250.00 J. L. Kendall, Pittsburgh, Pa 500. 00 E. A. Bowles, Pittsburgh, Pa 250.00 A. J. Diebold, Pittsburgh, Pa 250.00 Wm. Smearbaugh-H. E. Kelly, Pittsburgh, Pa 250. 00 A. A. Germain, IMttsburgh, Pa 250. 00 C. F. Ross, Pittsburgh, Pa 250. 00 Chas. Bruckman, Pittsburgh, Pa 250.00 J. N. Wollett, Pittsburgh, Pa 150.00 \Y. H. Wilhams, Pittsburgh, Pa 150. 00 Walter E. Ahlers, Pittsburgh, Pa 150. 00 Wm. Simons and Harry C. Simons, Pittsburgh, Pa 150. 00 J. B. Montgomery, Pittsburgh, Pa 100.00 Jos. W. Cottrell, Pittsburgh, Pa 100. 00 J. T. Parsons, Pittsburgh, Pa 100. 00 James J. Munn, Pittsburgh, Pa 100. 00 Geo. S. Davison, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 182774— 20— FT 15 8 2206 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. May 28, 1920— Continued. Bernon S. Prentice, New Yorlv City $1, 000. 00 A. C. Bedford, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. F. Ambrose Clark, Westbury, Long Island 500. 00 Mrs. Chester A. Braman, New York City 100. 00 Paul M. Warburg, New York City 1, 000. 00 Elen H. Hooker, New York City 1, 000. 00 May 30, 1920 : F. P. Knowles, Boston, Mass 100. 00 Tucker Anthony Co., Boston, Mass 500. 00 N. F. Ayer, Boston, Mass 100. 00 W. C. Chick, Boston, Mass 150. 00 J. E. Fuller, Boston, Mass 100. 00 C. A. More, Boston, Mass 150. 00 W. B. Henderson, Boston, Mass 125. 00 J. F. McElwain, Boston, Mass 250. 00 G. E. Keith, Boston, Mass 100. 00 H. L. Burrage, Boston, Mass 125. 00 ' H. K. Simonds, Boston, Mass 100. 00 A. G. Simonds, Boston, Mass 100.00 G. K. Simonds, Boston, Mass 100. 00 G. F. S. Singleton, Boston, Mass 100. 00 J. F. Ray, Boston, Mass 100. 00 T. P. King, Boston, Mass 100. 00 W. H. Carter, Boston, Mass 100. 00 H. A. Carter, Boston, Mass 100. OO Jno. W. Weeks, Boston, Mass 5, 000. 00 E. D. Stetson, Boston, Mass 100. 00 W. Ames, Boston, Mass 100. 00 L. A. Frothingham, Boston, Mass 100. 00 F. L. Ames, Boston, Mass 100. 00 A. W. Damon, Boston, Mass 100. 00 G. C. Tait, Boston, Mass 100. 00 W. H. McClench, Boston, Mass 100. 00 F. L. Batchelder, Boston, Mass 125. 00 J. E. Bradley, Boston, Mass 125.00 G. A. Bigelow, Boston, Mass 100. 00 F. H. Daniels, Boston, Mass 100.00 P. A. Drury, Boston, Mass 100. 00 C. H. Norton, Boston, Mass 100. 00 J. P. Shattuck, Boston, Mass : 100. 00 H. G. Stoddard, Boston, Mass 375, 00 C. G. Stratton, Boston, Mass 100. 00 M. S. Wright, Boston, Mass 100. 00 G. F. Fuller, Boston, Mass 150. 00 Jas. Logan, Boston, Mass 125. 00 J. H. Higgins, Boston, Mass 200. 00 June 1, 1920 : George W. Dickerman, New York City 100. 00 William Graupner, New York City 100. 00 John H. Love, New York City lOO 00 Mrs. Elon H. Hooker, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. F. H. Ives, New York City 200. 00 Mr. and Mrs. J. Merwin, Hancock, N. Y 100. 00 Randall H. Hagner & Co., Washington, D. C 100. 00 E. F. Bishop, Honolulu 1, 000. 00 R. Shingle, Honolulu 1,000.00 E. D. Tenney, Plonolulu 1,000.00 W. F. Dillingham, Honolulu 1,000.00 J. Waterhouse, Honolulu 1,000.00 G. R. Carter, Honolulu 1,000.00 W. F. Frear, Honolulu lOO 00 John Guild, Honolulu 100.00 A. Gartlev, Honolulu 500. 00 F. C. Atiierton, Honolulu 250.00 J. R. Gait, Honolulu lOO 00 M. F. Prosser, Honolulu 100. 00 PRESIDENTIAL. CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2207 June 1, 1920— Continued. J. D. Mclnerny, Honolulu- $12."). 00 W. H. Molnerijy, Honoliilu 125. 00 C. H. Cooke, Honolulu 500. 00 A. W. T. Bottomley, Honolulu 1,000.00 J. L. Cockburn, Honolulu .500. 00 E. H. Wodehouse, Honolulu 500.00 A. G. M. Robertson, Honolulu 100. 00 R. A. Cooke, Honolulu 500. 00 Henrv Holmes, Honolulu 100. 00 B. L. Marx. Honolulu 100.00 June 2, 1920 : J. Philip Herrnum, Washington, D. C 100. 00 Peter A. Doury, Washington, D. C 100. 00 Cuno H. Rudolph, Washington, D. C 1,000.00 Harry Wardman, Washington, D. C 1,000.00 Donald Woodward, V\^ashington, D. C 200. 00 H. W. De Forest, Laurelton, N. Y 100. 00 F. C. Swan, Brooklyn, N. Y 500.00 Ralph Crews, New York City 1, 000. 00 Frank A. Munsey, New York City 1, 000. 00 E. M. Treat, Pittsburgh, Pa 500.00 Irwin B. Laughlin, Pittsburgh, Pa 2,000.00 Mrs. Eliz L. Phillips, Pittsburgh, Pa 1,000.00 H. W. Croft, Pittsburgh, Pa 100. 00 June 3, 1920: Col. W. E. Fowler, Washington, D. C 1, 000. 00 Alexander Wolf, Washington, D. C 100.00 James A. Cobb, Washington, D. C ' 100.00 William A. Hill, Washington, D. C 150.00 Mrs. Harold Walker, W\ashington, D. C 200. 00 Mrs. Larz Anderson, Washington D. C 300. 00 Mrs. Alexander Rogers, Washington. D. C 100. 00 Mi.ss Amaryllis Gillett, Washington, D. C 500. 00 Wm. A. Prendergast, Brooklyn, N. Y 500. 00 B. H. Tobey, New York City 100.00 Mrs. Lewis E. Pierson, Brooklyn, N. Y 100.00 Eberhard Faber, New York City 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Robert Tod, Syosset, N. Y 100. 00 June 4. 1920 : Otto M. Eidlits, New York Citv 1,000.00 S. D. Peyser. New York City 100. 00 Charles A. Rice, Lihue, Kauai, Hawaii 500. 00 G. N. Wilcox, Lihue. Kauai, Hawaii 500. 00 Wm. Hyde Rice, Lihue, Kauai, Hawaii 500. 00 A. J. Campbell, Honolulu 100.00 June 5, 1920 : Ludwig Vogelstein, New York City 1, 000. 00 H. D. Roosen, Brooklyn, N. Y 500. 00 Lafayette B. Gleason, New York Citv 200. 00 J. Wm. Clark, Newark, N. J 1,000.00 June 7. 1920 : James C. Cropsey, Brooklyn, N. Y 300. 00 B. W. Lemmon, Pittsburgh, Pa 250.00 June 8, 1920 : E. A. S. Clarke, New York City 250.00 June 9, 1920 : Mrs. Elbert H. Gary, Brookville, N. Y 500. 00 Jan. 17, 1919: Walter S. Dickey, Kansas Citv, Mo 250. 00 Jan. 23, 1919 : J. J. McGraw, Ponca City, Okla 1, 000. 00 Jan. 27, 1919: Jas. A. Patten, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Jan. 29, 1919 : Peter Norbeck, Pierre, S. Dak 500. 00 Thos. W. Smith, Washington, D. C 100. 00 2208 PRESIDENTIAL, CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Jan. 81, 1919 : Philil) Wri.aley, Chicago, 111 $1, 000. 00 William Wrigley, jr., Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 xVda E. AVrigley, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Feb. 4, 1919: Goo. M. Reynolds, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Feb. 6, 1919 : G. E. Haskell, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Feb. 10, 1919 : F. N. HofCstot, New York City, N. Y 500. 00 Feb. 18, 1919: Julius Regenstein, Chicago, 111 100. 00 R. M. Eastman, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Oscar Heineman, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Feb. 19, 1919: Chas. D. Norton, Chicago, 111 100. 00 Mar. .5. 1919: W. K. Dana, Westbrook, Me 400. 00 Mar. 13, 1919 : D. W. Buchanan, Chicago 111 1.000.00 J. K. Bering, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Mar. 14, 1919 : H. M. Byllesby, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Mar. 17, 1919 : C. M. Moderwell. Chicago, 111 500.00 AVm. V. Kelley, Chicago, 111 500. 00 C. H. Worcester, Chicago, 111 500.00 W. H. Howe, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 E. A. Cudahy, Chicago, 111 500. 00 Thos. Creigh, Chicago, 111 500.00 Albert B. Dick, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Mar. 18, 1919: Walter S. Dickey, Kansas City, Mo 750. 00 La Verne Noyes, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Hon. Lawrence C. Phipps, Denver, Colo 1, 000. 00 Hon. Hubert Work, Pueblo, Colo 1. 000. 00 Mar. 20, 1919 : Robt. J. Thorne, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Henry Schott, Chicago, 111 500. 00 Apr. 4, 1919: Alfred H. Mulliken, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Apr. 10, 1919 : Geo. F. Porter. Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Apr. 11, 1919: Edwnrd B. Butler, Chicago, 111 500. 00 Apr. 28, 1919 : Cbas. H. Hulburd, Chicago, 111 500. 00 Apr. 18. 1919 : A. T. Naugle, Chicago, 111 200. 00 Wilbur L. Lafean, Chicago, 111 - 100.00 Apr. 21, 1919: C. H. Thorne, Chicago, 111 500.00 May 2. 1919 : Albert W. Harris, Chicago. Ill 1,000.00 May 7, 1919 : Geo. F. Griffin, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 May 10, 1919: F. Edson White. Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Arthur I\reeker, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Chas. W. Armour, Chicago, Hll 1,000.00 J. Ogden Armour, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 R. J. Dunham, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 C. W. Sherman, Chicago, III 1,000.00 Geo. M. Seaman, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 May 12, 1919 : C. S. Morey, Denver, Colo 1,000.00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2209 IShv IT, 1919 : 11. T. Crane, jr., Chicago, 111 $1, 000. 00 May 22, 1919 : AV. H. McCiirdy, Evansville, Iiid 1 83a. 07 S. L. May, Evansville, ^Ind 838. 88 Joseph Graham, Evansville, Ind IGO. 50^ Ray Graham, Evansville. Ind IGG. 50 Alfred L. Baker, Chicago, 111 188.83 Theodore Schulze, St. Paul, Minn 1, 000. 00- Ivlay 24, 1919 : Charles G. Dawes, Chieag-o, 111 1.000.00 Joy Morton, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 R. P. Lamont, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 R. H. Ripley, Chicago, 111 150.00 Edward F. Carry, Chicago, 111 1, 000.00 May 20, 1920 : L. H. Bigelow, Chicago, 111 100. 00 Geo. D. Jones, Chicago, 111 100. 00 D. R. Seaman, Chicago, 111 200. 00 Julius Rosenwald, Chicago, 111 1, 000. OO May 26, 1919: Ernest R. Graham. Chicago, 111 1. 000. OO Mav 29, 1919: B. A. Eckhart, Chicago. Ill 1, 000. 00 June 4, 1919 : A. K. Macomber, New York City 1, 000. 00 Myrtle H. Macomber, New York City 1. 000. OO J. W. Embree, Chicago, 111 1, 000. OO June 5, 1919 : Wm. H. Crocker, San Francisco, Calif , 1,000.00 Mrs. Wm. H. Crocker, Burlingams, Calif 1, 000. 00 R. S. Moore, San Francisco, Calif 1. 000. 00 Mrs. Florence Moore, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. 00 June 6, 1919 : ]\Irs. Grace G. Vanderbilt, New York City 1, 000. 00 Wm. C. A'an Antwerp, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. 00 June 9, 1919 : Robert T. Lincoln, Chicago. Ill 500. 00 June 10, 1919 : Charles E. Perkins, Chicago, 111 500 m June 13, 1919 : Mrs. Malcolm D. Whitman, San Francisco, Calif 500. C. Templeton Crocker. San Francisco, Calif 500. Offc June 14, 1919 : Herbert Fleishhacker, San Francisco, Calif 1. 000. OO E. M. Wilson, San Francisco, Calif 1. DOd f\c* June 16, 1919 : Rufus C. Dawes, Chicago, 111 1, 000. OO Clint Moore, Tulsa. Okla 1,000.00 Frank Phillips, Bartlesville, Okla 1, 000. OO Geo. T. Cameron, San Francisco, Calif 1,. 000. 00 Comyn, Mackall & Co.. San Francisco, Calif 1. 000. OO Ellis Wainwright, San Francisco, Calif 500. OO June 17, 1919 : James Irvine, San Francisco, Calif 1. 000. OO Stanlev Dollars, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. OO W. P. Roth, San Francisco, Calif 500. OO June IS, 1919 : . Walter G. Filer, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. OO June 20. 1919 : Mrs. Vv'. G. Irwin, San Francisco, Calif L 000. OO June 23, 1919 : Mrs. E. H. G. Slater, W^ashington, D. C 1,000.00 Miss Helen V. Crocker, San Mateo County, Calif 1, OOO 00 Joseph D. Grant, San Francisco, Calif 1,000.00 W. H. McFadden, Ponca City, Okla 1, 000. 00 2210 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. June 25, 1919 : J. D. Spreckels, San Francisco, Calif $1, 000. 00 A. B. Spreckels, San Francisco, Calif 1,000.00 July 1, 1919 : Eliot Wadsworth, Washington, D. C 500. 00 July 2, 1919: Robt. R. McCormick, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 July 11, 1919 : A. W. Leonard, Tulsa, Okla 250.00 Harry H. Heasley, Tulsa, Okla 250. 00 James L. Flood, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. 00 July 12, 1919 : H. V. Foster, Bartlesville, Okla 1,000.00 July 14, 1919 : Louis F. Monteagle, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. 00 July 23, 1919 : A. K. Macomber, New York City, N. Y 1, 000. 00 Mrs. Myrtle H. Macomber, New York City, N. Y 1, 000. 00 R. M. McFarlin, Tulsa, Okla 1,000.00 E. R. Perry, Tulsa, Okla 100.00 Aug. 9, 1919 : Edw. Hines, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Edgar A. Bancroft, Chicago. Ill 500. 00 Aug. 12, 1919: John H. Rosseter, San Francisco, Calif 1,000.00 John Barneson, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. 00 Mrs. John Barneson, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. 00 J. Leslie Barneson, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. 00 Aug. 14, 1919 : Allan M. Clement, Chicago, 111 500. 00 John F. L. Curtis, Highland Park, 111 500. 00 E. W. Decker, Minneapolis, Minn 500. 00 Aug. 19, 1919: John G. Shedd, Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Sept. 17, 1919: Henry F. Woodard, Washington, D. C 250. 00 Sept. 29, 1919: Chas. E. Lewis, Minneapolis, Minn 500. 00 Todd W. Lewis, Minneapolis, Minn : 500. 00 L. S. Allen, Minneapolis, Minn 100. 00 John S. Pillsburv. Minneapolis, Minn 1, 000. 00 D. S. Culver, St. Paul, Minn 500. 00 K. C. Schuyler, Denver, Colo 1, 000. 00 Oct. 6, 1919: Hovey C. Clarke, Minneapolis, Minn 500.00 Chas. E. Lewis, Minneapolis, Minn 500. 00 E. C. Cooke, Minneapolis, Minn 200. 00 Oct. 14, 1919: E. L. Carpenter, Minneapolis, Minn 1, 000. 00 Oct. 15, 1919: Redtield Proctor, Proctor, Vt 1, 000. 00 Miss Marv H. Proctor, Proctor, Vt 1, 000. 00 Miss Emily Dutton Proctor. Proctor, Vt 1, 000. 00 Miss Fredrika G. Holden, Proctor, Vt 500.00 Oct. 16, 1919: W. K. Dana, W^stbrook, Me 200. 00 Arthur R. Rogers, Minneapolis, Minn 100. 00 Oct. 20, 1919 : ^ nn Chester H. Searcy, Louisville, Ky 1, tuu. uu A. T. Hert, Louisville, Ky 000. 00 Clarence Miller, Louisville, Ky 1, 000. 00 Col. Chauncey Dewey, Manhattan, Kans 100.00 Oct. 30, 1919 : ^ R. K. Le Blond. Cincinnati. Ohio 1,000.00 F. A. Geier, Cincinnati, Ohio 1- O^O- 00 W. C. Procter, Cincinnati, Ohio 1. 2^0. OOj Eli Winkler, Cincinnati, Ohio oOO. ^ J. J. Burchenal, Cincinnati, Ohio JOO. B. H. Kroger, Cincinnati, Ohio '- »00. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2211 Oct. 30, 1919— Continued. B. W. Campbell, Cincinnati, Ohio $500.00 M. E. Johnston, Cincinnati, Ohio 2. 500. 00 J. E. Proctor, Cincinnati, Ohio 2, 500. 00 August Tuechter, Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 Arthur R. Morgan, Cincinnati, Ohio 2.50.00 John Omwake, Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 A. P. Streitman. Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 Adolph C. Weiss, Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 B. S. Armstrong, Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 B. B. Quillan, Cincinnati, Ohio 2.50.00 E. H. Lunken, Cincinnati, Ohio 250.00 Roger K. Rogan, Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 Herbert G. French, Cincinnati Ohio 250.00 W. H. Mullins. Salem, Ohio 1,000.00 W. W. Ross, Columbus, Ohio 500.00 C. E. Davis, Columbus, Ohio 500. 00 Nov. 4 1919: F. H. Stoltze, Minneapolis Minn 500. 00 Nov. 25, 1919: Walter S. Dickey, Kansas City, Mo 1,000.00 H. W. Nichols, Cincinnati, Ohio 200. 00 Nov. 26, 1919: W. K. Dana, Westbrook, Me 500. 00 Nov. 29, 1919: J. W. Perry, Kansas City, Mo 1.000.00 Dec. 9, 1919 : A. H. Turrittin, Minneapolis, Minn 100. 00 Dec. 15, 1919: Christopher R. Corning, New York City, N. Y 250. 00 Dec. 19, 1919 : W. S. McLucas, Kansas City, Mo 500. 00 E. F. Swinnev, Kansas City, Mo 500. 00 G. M. & L. C. Smith, Kansas City, Mo 500. 00 Dec. 20, 1919 : Frederick M. Alger, Detroit. Mich 1, 000. 00 Dec. 23, 1919 : Gebbard .Taeger, Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 Foster Copeland, Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 W. A. Miller, Columbus, Ohio 500. 00 F. A. Miller, Columbus. Ohio 500. 00 E. S. Pettigrew, Columbus, Ohio 500. 00 E. E. Lerch, Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 S. P. Bush, Columbus, Ohio 250.00 S. P. Bush, Columbus, Ohio 250.00 A. Brenholte, Columbus. Ohio 250. 00 .Tas. L. Hamill, Columbus, Ohio 500.00 .T. S. Bracken, Columbus, Ohio 250.00 .Tohn W. Kaufman, Columbus, Ohio 500. 00 Jan. 2, 1920 : R. T. Crane, jr., Chicago, 111 1,000.00 Jan. 5, 1920 : Edward Hines, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Robert Allerton, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Horace E. Dodge, Detroit, Mich 1, 000. 00 Jan. 9, 1920 : Geo. F. Porter, Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Jan. 12, 1920 : E. R. Jackson, Plymouth, N. C 150. 00 Jas. L. Hamill, Columbus, Ohio 500.00 Jan. 1.5, 1920: B. S. Pearsall, Elgin, 111 200.00 G. O. Forbes, Rockford, 111 100.00 F. H. Croul, Detroit, Mich 20O. 00 Frank G. Ryan, Detroit, Mich 100.00 J. D. Spreckles, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. 00 A. B. Spreckles, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. 00 Wm. H. Murphy, Detroit, Mich 250. 00 2212 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Jan. 19, 1920: Edw. Whitaker, St. Louis, Mo $500.00 Hovey G. Clarke, Minneapolis, Minn .500.00 W. T. Beatty, Chicago, 111 .500. 00 Henry Blun, Savannah, Ga .500. 00 Henry B. Joy, Detroit, Mich .500.00 Mrs. Henry B. Joy, Detroit, Mich .500. 00 Jan. 21, 1920 : A. D. Morton, Bartlesville, Okla 250.00 Jan. 22, 1920 : Dwight F. Davis, St. Louis, Mo 500. 00 Benj. Gratz, St. Louis, Mo 500. 00 O. L. Garrison, St. Louis, Mo 500. 00 W. H. Lee. St. Louis, Mo 500. 00 Judson S. Bemis, St. Louis, Mo 250. 00 M. L. Wilkinson, St. Louis, Mo 125. 00 ' John D. Filley, St. Louis, Mo 250. 00 A. L. Shapleigh, St. Louis, Mo 500. 00 Jan. 23, 1920 : J. E. Cameron, Kingstown, N. C 100. 00 Robert Lassiter, Charlotte, N. C 500. 00 C. J. Harris, Dillsboro, N. C 1, 000. 00 C. B. Chapman, Asheville, N. C 1, 000.00 David H. Blair, Winston, N. C 200. 00 Jan. 26, 1920: D. E. Felt, Chicago, 111 2,500.00 Jas. McNaughton, Calumet, Mich 1, 000. 00 J. H. Rice, Houghton, Mich 1, 000. 00 Jan. 27, 1920 : B. F. Unthank, Winchester, Ky 100.00 H. S. Bush, Winchester, Ky 100. 00 H. G. Garrett, Winchester, Ky 100. 00 Hon. Emile Kuntz, New Orleans, La 250.00 J. S. Thomson, Lake Charles, La 100.00 Walter L. Cohen, New Orleans, La 125. 00 Dr. D. A. Lines, New Orleans, La 125. 00 Wm. H. Crocker, San Francisco, Calif 1, 000. 00 Mrs. W^m. H. Crocker, Burlingame, Cfalif 1,000.00 A. K. Macomber, San Francisco, Calif 2, 000. 00 Mrs. A. K. Macomber, San Francisco, Calif 2, 000. 00 Jan. 30, 1920: John S. Miller, Chicago, 111 250. 00 Mortimer R. Proctor, Proctor, Vt 1, 000. 00 Theodore N. Vail, Lyndonville, Vt 1, 000. 00 Mrs. M. R. S. Vail, Lyndonville, Vt 1. 000. 00 Mrs. A. A. Marstei's, Lyndonville, Vt 1, 000. 00 Charles Adamson, Cedartown, Ga 500. 00 Rov D. Chapin, Detroit, Mich 500. 00 David C. Whitney, Detroit, Mich ; .500. 00 Emory W. Clark, Detroit, Mich 500. 00 Feb. 2. 1920 : Isham, Lincoln & Beale, Chicago, 111 500. 00 Mrs. Julius Rosenwald, Chicago, 111 500. 00 L. D. Richards, Fremont, Nebr 300.00 A. R. Demory, Detroit, Mich - 100. 00 J. H. Hardwick, Winchester, Ky 100. 00 Frank B. Russell, Louisville, Ky 100. 00 W. W. Gurley, Chicago, 111 200. 00 Feb. 3, 1920: Silas H. Strawn, Chicago, 111 500. 00 Feb. 4, 1920: Geo. T. Guernsey, Independence, Kans 250. 00 W. S. Fitzpatrick, Independence, Kans 250. 00 A. W. Shulthis, Independence, Kans 250. 00 C. E. Roth, Independence, Kans 100. 00 W. J. Bovaird, Independence, Kans 100. 00 Herbert Cavaness, Ohanute, Kans 100. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2213 Feb. 4. 1920— Continued. W. F. Allen, Clianiite. Kans $100. 00 H. H. McCall, Chanute, Kans 100. 00 J. W. Finley, Chanute, Kans 100. 00 Milo T. .Jones, Chanute, Kans 100. 00 AV. W. Watson, Saiina, Kans 100. 00 L. G. Gottschlck, Saiina, Kans 100. 00 Fred H. Quincy. Saiina, Kans ^- 100.00 J. B. Smith, Saiina, Kans 100.00 J. S. Hargett, Saiina, Kans 100. 00 G. A. Rogers, Abilene. Kans 100. 00 Feb. 5, 1920 : Geo. T. Cameron, San Francisco, Calif 1,000.00 Feb. 6, 1920: L. B. Kuppenheimer. Chicago, 111 1, 000. 00 Miss Emely Button Proctor, Proctor, Vt 1, 000. 00 Feb. 7, 1920 : F. O. Schoedinger, Columbus, Ohio 500. 00 Peter Norbeck, Pieree, S. Dak 509. 00 Feb. 9, 1920 : W. F. Brown. Toledo, Ohio 1,000.00 M. Gallagher, Cleveland, Ohio 1,000.00 Milton Adler. Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Stanley W. Allen, Glendale, Ohio 275. 00 Wm. Alms, Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 Wm. Harvey Anderson, Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 H. H. Heiner, Columbus, Ohio 250.00 C. A. Bickett, Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 W. G. Bouchi, Cincinnati, Ohio 125. 00 J. S. Bracken, Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 A. Brenholtz, Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 Robert M. Burton, Cincinnati, Ohio 850. 00 S. P. Bush, Columbus, Ohio 500. 00 Archibald Campbell, Cincinnati, Ohio 125. 00 M. Carlisle, Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 J. Wallace Carrol, Cincinnati, Ohio 1, 000. 00 John Christensen, Cincinnati, Ohio 500. 00 J. R. Clark, Cincinnati, Ohio 500. 00 M. Y. Cooper, Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Foster Copeland, Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 G. D. Crabbs, Cincinnati, Ohio 500. 00 R. B. Crabbs, Cincinnati. Ohio 300. 00 E. O. Dana, Cincinnati, Ohio 225.00 E. B. Danson, Glendale, Ohio 350. 00 H. M. Daugherty, Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 J. P. Davis, Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 John A. Devere, Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Douglas, John, Cincinnati, Ohio 200. 00 Dreses, Henry, Cincinnati, Ohio 325. 00 Egan, Thomas P., Cincinnati, Ohio 2.50. 00 Feltes, G. H., Cincinnati, Ohio 100.00 Gibbs. Edwin C, Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Hamill, James L., Columbus, Ohio 500. 00 Harrison, C. L., Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 Higgins, Chas., Columbus, Ohio 100.00 Higiey, R. L., Cincinnati, Ohio 12.5. 00 Hobart, James C, Cincinnati, Ohio 200. 00 Hoefinghoff, Arthur C, Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Holden, R. A., Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Hughes, W. R., Norwood, Ohio 100. 00 Jaeger. G.. Columbus, Ohio 2.50. 00 James, .John S., Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 Johnson, Edgar W., Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Jones, A. J., Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 Jones, David C, Wyoming, Ohio 1.075. 00 Kaufman, John W., Columbus, Ohio 500. 00 LaRue, W. S., Cincinnati, Ohio 200.00 Lawrence. F. D.. CincinnatL Ohio 100. 00 2214 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Feb. 9, 1920— Continued. Laws, Harry L., Cincinnati, Ohio $100.00 Lercli, E. E., Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 Leynian, H. S., Cincinnati, Ohio 500. 00 Llppincott, J. T., Cincinnati, Ohio 100.00 Littleford, John S., Cincinnati, Ohio 270. 00 McCaw, W. E., Cincinnati, Ohio 300. 00 March, P. G., Cincinnati, Oliio 250. 00 Meacham, D. B., Cincinnati, Oliio 600.00 Menke, Fred J., Cincinnati, Ohio 150. 00 Merlvel, Louis J., Merisel, Albert A., and Merkel, Henry W., Cin- cinnati, Ohio 150. 00 Merkel, Louis J., Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Miller, W. A., and Miller, F. A., Columbus, Ohio 1, 000. 00 Moeller, W. J., Cincinnati, Ohio 200.00 Morgan, Arthur R., Norwood, Ohio 250. 00 Oberhelman, J. A., Cincinnati, Ohio 500. 00 Onwake, John, Norwood, Ohio 750. 00 Parlington, Chas., Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Pettigrew, E. S., Columbus, Ohio 500.00 Pollak, Maurice E., Cincinnati, Ohio 1, 000. 00 Pollock, J ,K., Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Poston, E. M., Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 Procter, Wm. C, Cincinnati, Ohio 1, 000. 00 Puchts, Geo., Cincinnati, Ohio 300.00 Quilleu, B. B., Cincinnati, Ohio 1,000.00 Richardson, J. M., Lockland, Ohio 300.00 Richardson, Paul, Lockland, Ohio 200. 00 Richardson, W. H., Lockland, Ohio 250. 00 Roberts, G., & M. S., Columbus, Ohio 100. 00 Smith-Leonard S., Cincinnati, Ohio 850. 00 Stanley, E. B., Cincinnati, Ohio 850. 00 Stearn, Wm. S., Lockland, Ohio 200. 00 Swift, John B., Cincinnati, Ohio 100.00 Thomson, Peter, Cincinnati, Ohio 500. 00 Tuechter, Aug. H., Chicinnati, Ohio 500. 00 Ilihlein, Julius, Cincinnati, Ohio 100.00 Walker, Geo. D., Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 Weber, Louis B., Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Weiss, Adolph C, Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 Willoughby, H., Columbus, Ohio 250.00 Wilson, Geo. B., Cincinnati, Ohio 175.00 Winders, Wilber, Cincinnati, Ohio 100. 00 Wolfe. Arthur D., Columbus, Ohio 250. 00 Marz, Henry, Cincinnati, Ohio 500. 00 Armstrong, B. S., Cincinnati, Ohio 250. 00 Feb. 10, 1920 : Mrs. Edward L. Ryerson, Chicago, 111 100. 00 R. A. Gideens, Coushatta, La 100.00 Thomas H. Underwood, New Orleans, La 125. 00 George D. Roper, Rockford, 111 500. 00 Mrs. Jacob Baur, Chicago. Ill 500. 00 P. G. Reid, Chicago, 111 100.00 B. A. Gayman, Chicago, 111 150.00 Wm. N. Pelouze, Chicago, 111 200.00 Feb. 12, 1920: Mrs. Robert J. Burdette, Pasadena, Calif 200. 00 Feb. 13, 1920 : S. C. Clover, Tulsa, Okla 100.00 Feb. 14, 1920: C. A. Lee, Salina, Kans 100. 00 J. H. Cavanaugh. Dighton, Kans 100. 00 A. O. Edmonds, Liberal. Kans 100. 00 Thad C. Carver, Pratt, Kans 100.00 J. E. Whitman, Preston, Kans 100. 00 H. S. Gregory, Pratt, Kans 100. 00 H. E. Schrack, Pratt. Kans 100. 00 A. A. Cochran, Pratt, Kans 100. 00 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2215 Feb. 16, 1920: W. E. BaiT, Nowata, Okla $100. 00 L. A. Kevs, No^yata, Okla 100. 00 Frank Phillips. Bartlesville, Olda 500.00 John F. Hadley, Tulsa, Okla 250.00 Eugene Lawson. Nowata, Okla 250. 00 Frank A. Reed, Tulsa, Okla 250. 00 John M. Clover, Tulsa, Okla 250.00 P. S. Powell, Nowata, Okla 100. 00 Feb. 18, 1920 : M. T. McEldowney, Winchester, Ky 100. 00 D. H. Siggins, Coffeyville, Kans 100.00 D. H. Clark, Savannah, Ga 125. 00 C. W. Parker, Alberton, Ga 100. 00 Butz, Von Ammon & Marx, Chicago, 111 250. 00 Henry A. Klein, Chicago, 111 150. 00 H. D. Bu.sh. Covington, Ga 200.00 H. F. McCall, New Ulysses 100. 00 J. S. Mabon, Miami, Okla 125. 00 Mrs. Charles B. Pike, Lake Forest, 111 100. 00 Mrs. Fred W. Upham, Chicago, 111 500.00 Mrs. C^has. N. Strotz, North Winnetka, III 100. 00 Fred A. Poor, Cliicago, 111 250.00 J. Parker Go wing, Chicago, 111 100. 00 Feb. 19, 1920: J. R. Poste, Columbus, Ohio 500. 00 Mrs. J. McGregor Adams Highland Park, 111 500. 00 Mrs. H. M. Byllesby, Chicago. Ill 100. 00 Mrs. Richard T. Crane, jr., Chicago, 111 250. 00 Mrs. John F. L. Curtis, Highland Park, 111 100. 00 Mrs. Edward Hines, Evanston, 111 1, 000. 00 Feb. 18, 1920: Felix AVeller, Chicago, 111 200. 00 Chas. Piez, Chicago, 1)1 500.00 Gertrude S. Keeler, Grand Rapids, Mich 100. 00 L. A. Cornelius, Grand Rapids, Mich 100. 00 Lewis H. Withey, Grand Rapids, Mich 100. 00 Wm. Judson, Grand Rapids, Mich 100. 00 Henrv T. Stanton, Grand Rapids, Mich 100. 00 Feb. 28, 1920 : L. L. Jenkins, Asheville, N. C 1, 000. 00 L. C. Wagener, Statesville, N. C 100. 00 J. M. Morehead, Charlotte, N. C 1,000.00 F. A. Linney, Boone, N. C 100.00 George H. Brown. Statesville, N. C 150. 00 John M. Sharpe, Statesville, N. C 100. 00 Geo. B. Hiss, Charlotte, N. C 1, 000. 00 A. J. Draper, Charlotte, N. C 1, 000. 00 W. G. Boyd, Wilson's Mills, N. C 100. 00 J. J. Jenkins, Siler City, N. C 100. 00 W. H. Cox, Laurinburg, N. C 100. 00 E. R. Jackson, Plymouth, N. C 150. 00 G. W. Hargis. Pawhuska, Okla 100.00 Senator Pomerene. Also the summary of disbursements from De- cember 1, 1918, to June 12, 1920, also furnished by Mr. Upham; and from June 14, 1920, to August 26, 1920. (Upham Exhibits " D " and " E " are attached hereto.) Upham Exhibit D. Republican National Committee — Disbursements Dec. 1, 1918, to June 12, 1920. Headquarters expense $818. 668. 15 Speakers' bureau 2, 815. 06 Chautauqua 11, 496. 24 Publicity 29,625.35 General expense 308, 497. 19 1, 171, 101.99 2216 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Upham Exhiiut K. Rcpiihlican National Comviittce — DUhursenients June I'l, 1920, to Aug. 26, 1920. Headquarters expense . $164,453.39 8i)eakerfc^' bureau 14. 173. 78 Publicity 317, 317.35 General expense 343, 993. 04 839, 937. 56 Senator Pomerene. Also statement furnished by him showing the contributions from December 1, 1918, to June 12, 1920, by States, and giving the amounts; what does this mean, collected for the State? Mr. Upham. No; for the national committee. Senator Pomekene. For the national committee? Mr. Upham. For the national committee. Senator Pomerene. And giving the amount contributed for the national committee and for the State committees in separate columns. That will be marked " Upham Exhibit F." (Upham Exhibit F is attached hereto.) Upham Exhibit P. RcpuhUcan national committee — Contrihutions, Dec. 1, 1918, to June 12, 1920. Alabama. Arkansas . Arizona . . California Colorado Connecticut Delaware District of Columbia. Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts. Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina . North Dakota . . Ohio QXlahoma Oregon Pennsylvania . . Rhode Islaii'd. . South Carolina. South Dakota. . Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia. . Wisconsin Wyoming To national committee. 1 214 T. 466: A. 4. 94! 3s; 15! 11?; 35, 1, 1, 1, 1, 11, ^, 17, , 691. 64 , 340. 43 280. 42 ,067. 66 , 759. 67 356. 23 500. 00 ,525.00 3S3. 28 727. 83 575. 00 224. 1.6 254. 80 635. 57 40^. 68 748. 53 972. 59 160. 65 100. 00 500. 00 835. 00 680. 02 081. 91 521. 70 951. 47 392. 02 982. 18 tl2.01 400. 00 288. 88 416. 30 248. 74 993. 73 580. 67 276. 46 312. 12 921. 00 465. 00 120. 28 453. 63 1A8. 95 053. 91 250. 64 025. 00 196. 6: 758. 27 234. 81 141.77 887. 99 1,365,897.49 469,456.21 To States. $1, 691. 64 7, 198. 92 280. 42 25, 349. 84 2, 170. 33 718. 77 100. 00 76. 72 659. 42 2, 328. 42 49,990. 30 U,683. 57 15, 148. 78 7,931.77 6, 009. 96 3,616.35 15, 000. 00 38, 750. 00 21,936. 28 1,658.09 38.30 49, 689. 53 3, 188. 98 8, 643. 82 112.01 135. 70 35, 358. 20 9, 568. 76 31.27 84,414. 33 S, 664. 04 2,193.11 76. 72 2,691.13 2, 285. 70 3, 865. 84 7. 656. 36 19, 324. 17 2,241.73 4, 580. 19 12, 304. 73 112.01 Total. S23, 539. 35 66, 417. 50 29,930.00 1,075.00 500. 00 12,625.00 460. 00 4, 387. 25 12, 575. 00 3, 552. 5S 264, 245. iO 3,048.00 19, 551. 46 47, 680. 30 18,982.55 21,777. 00 4, 100. 00 500. 00 95^ 585. 00 78, 616. 30 9,740. 00 1,560. 00 62, 641. 00 6, 581. 00 9, 626. 00 8, 400. 00 7, 422. 58 501,774. 50 13, 817. 50 5,025. 00 178,995. 00 46,940.50 17, 505. 23 117, 921.00 35, 465. 00 197. 00 1, 237. 50 1, 116. 75 4,919. 75 8, 907. 00 11,025.00 13, 127. 50 20,000. 00 10,815.00 - 21,446.50 10, 000. 00 1, 835,353. 70 PE7^:SIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2217 Mr. MooKE, So that there may be no misunderstanding between lis, I would like to know as to whether this amount includes simply pledges and cash collected; that might be stated. I think Mr. Course}^ is an employee of the committee— I don't want to have any mi su nder st a ndi n g — — Mr. Upham. I don't know Mr. Coursey. There is no account of l^ledges in this statement. I gave my pledge statement in my previ- ous testimony, showing all pledges on hand August 26. The Chairman. AYell, this amount covers the pledges? Mr. IJpHAivr. Oh, no; not at all. The pledges are not cash until they are cashed. The Chairman. But v\ ait a minute. The amount you are trying to raise covers pledges? Mr. Upham. Absolutely; the pledges were turned into cash. Mr. Moore. That was the amount that was turned in. The Chairman. So it does not cover the pledges. Mr. Upham. No; you have a record of the pledges by States in my previous statement, which I put in the record the other day. Senator Pomerene. And Mr. Coursey, you don't know him ? Mr. Upham. I don't know him ; I don't know who he is ; there are a great many of these men that Mr. Blair named the other day that I don't know. Now, I notice here a statement of the record that is given out to the newspaper men : One of the reporters gave this to me, and in this I am made to say that early in 1919 I made up quotas of cities that I have submitted. Now, I did not testify to that. I am misquoted there. I said States. The Chairman. Is that in the record? Mr. Upham. It says cities ; the record says, or quotes me as saying, that I said cities. The Chairman. Well, the statement in the record, as you produced it, that you made quotas for cities, you say is not correct; that you did not say that? Mr. Upham. No ; I said early in 1919 I made up quotas of States. This says that I made up quotas of cities. That is the way it reads. My testimony w^as that I made up quotas of States that I submitted to this committee. I did not submit any quotas of cities; I don't know anything about any quotas of cities. The (^HATRMAN. Tliat is all. (Witness excused.) TESTIMONY OF MR. E. H. MOOEE— Eesumed. The Chairman. Mr. Moore, we did not intend to keep you waiting so long when we excused you the other day, l)ut you have been very kind about it. Mr. Moore. All right ; I am perfectly willing. The Chairman. We will get through with you as soon as w^e can. Mr. Moore. Now, I want to say this, if you please: I made a re- mark to the committee that I thought that that question which was I asked by Senator Pomerene of Mr. Upham was not quite fair to the I^epublicans. Senator Pomerene seems to think I was censuring him. He, in replying, said that the people have the right to know if any speakers are paid. The question Avas not asked to show as to 2218 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. the speakers how much they were paid, but only asked to show the Republican's total, the amount of the budget for each thing, and I thought we were not — in other words, we are not wanting the best of it in this investigation. We simply charge that there Avas an at- tempt The Chairman. Well, if you made him feel badly, he Avill get over it in time. Mr. Moore. My idea was not to make the Republicans disclose their plans, but simply to shoAV Senator Spencer. We Avant to go on. The Chairman. I will ask you two or three questions, Mr. Moore. Mr. Moore. Yes, sir. The Chairman. I Avant to ask you a little bit about the Democrats this time. Mr. Moore. I Avill tell you anything I knoAV, and be glad to. There isn't much to tell this year ; that is, as far as I knoAV. The Chairman. We Avant to find out Avhat the Democrats, as Avell as the Republicans, are doing in the AA^ay of raising money. Do you knoAv of any general plan that has been adopted for thp raising of money this year by the Democrats ? Mr. MooRE. There was no plan adopted. Senator, up to the time I left NeAv York, or a Aveek ago Tuesday. I knoAv exactly wdiat Avas in the treasury at that time ; there Avas S14,000. The Chairman. $14,000? Mr. MooRE. At that time. The Chairman. But of course you are Avorking on some financial plan? Mr. MooRE. I understand so; yes, I suppose the ordinary financial plan of raising money. The Chairman. You are not a member of the committee, I know. Mr. MooRE. That is right. The Chairman. But I thought you were familiar with it. Mr. Moore. That plan is still to be Avorked out. No, I resigned from the committee this year to give way to Mr. White, so he might be elected chairman. That was after the convention. The Chairman. The general plan of the finance committee we Avill secure from whom ? Mr. Moore. Why, I suppose Mr. Marsh, as so'on as it is completed, or from the chairman of the finance committee, Mr. Gerard. The Chairman. Mr. Gerard ? Mr. MooRE. Yes. The Chairman. He has just been appointed? Mr. MooRE. He has just been appointed. The Chairman. So that that Avork as to financing, and the plan of financing has really just begun? Mr. MooRE. Yes, sir. I have no doubt that he will have got an idea, and probably perfected the idea by this time. It has been a w^eek now. It ought to have been done before. The Chairman. From Mr. Gerard? Mr. MooRE. Yes. The Chairman. Are there any other organizations that are raising any money for the democratic campaign fund, outside of the com- mittee itself? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2219 Mr. Moore. Absolutely none, to my knowledge, outside of the na- tional committee, the national organization. The Chairman. And the State committees ? Mr. MooRE. And its subcommittees. The Chairman. Now, what is the Association Opposed to National Prohibition ? Is that taking any part on either side ? Mr. Moore. Senator, I never heard of any such association in my life until my attention was called to an interview by Wayne Wheeler, one of the Kepublican heads of the Anti- Saloon League, which is a Kepublican organization. The Chairman. You say that the Anti-Saloon League is a Republi- can organization ? Mr. MooRE. Yes, and as far as this organization is concerned The Chairman. Mr. Bryan is quite a prominent member of it, isn't he ? Mr. MooRE. No ; he is quite a prominent employee of it. The Chairman. He is quite a prominent employe of it, Mr. MooRE. Yes. The Chairman. He is not a Republican? Mr. MooRE. No; I don't understand that he is. I never heard of it until then, Senator. The Chairman. You never heard of it at all ? Mr. Moore. I never heard of its name even until Walker Buell, correspondent of the Cleveland Plain Dealer in Washington, about a month before the convention called my attention to an interview with Wayne Wheeler in which some organization — you will have to give me the name of it ; I don't even know its name. The Chairman. Association Opposed to National Prohibition. Mr. MooRE. Association Opposed to National Prohibition; yes. The Chairman. Which seems to have been incorporated under the laws of the State of New York on April 1, 1919. Mr. MooRE. Yes. If there is such an organization, it evidently is some money-raising scheme. And in this interview Wayne Wheeler quoted a prospectus in which they named — or in which they gave their tentative ideas of having somebody look after their organiza- tion for them in the State, and Rud. K. Hynicka, the Republican national committeeman of Ohio, and myself, the Democratic na- tional committeeman, one or the other, as I recall Mr. Buell's reading it to me, was named. The Chairman. Both of them ? Mr. MooRE. No ; one or the other. The Chairman. Both of them, it seems to me. Mr. MooRE. Well, was it ? The Chairman. If you are speaking of an interview, I don't know. Mr. MooRE. I am using the prospectus. I never heard of it. I never received any communication from them. I never heard of any such organization before or since, excepting one time, and that was that time when this man from the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Mr. Buell, called my attention to it, to the fact that there was such an organization, he understood, and that I was to have charge of it. I suppose he got it from this interview of Wheeler's. And he wanted to know if he could get the advertising of this organization^ and I told him that I had never heard of it, and I didn't know any- thing about it. 2220 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman, Then the use of your name, Mr. Moore, it being sent out, is entirely unauthorized ? Mr. Moore. Yes. And I suppose it is a money-making scheme, if they have used the name of Rud. K. Hynicka, who is a Republican, and the Republican national committeeman, and my name, for we have always been opposed to prohibition, and I suppose they used our names because we were not supposed to be very clry, either of us. The Chairman. And they use your name, Edward H. Moore, Youngstow^n, and it says here " that he, with the possible assistance of Rud. Hynicka, of Cincinnati." Mr. Moore. He is the Republican national committeeman from Ohio, I suppose, or he was. I don't know whether he is now or not. Is he, Mr. Upham? The Chairman. Well, in this prospectus they say — but if you have not seen the prospectus, Mr. Moore Mr. MooRE. That is all I know about it. Senator. I have told you everything T. know about it. I have told you all I know about it. The Chairman. And they say : " The machinery is ready to be started. Before a wheel can turn the managing director must know that there is at least $200,000 in the treasury." Mr. MooRE. Well, now, as I say, I never heard of it before, and you will believe me when I say that I never heard of it except in that con- nection that I mentioned. I think it is probably a money-raising scheme for the promoters of it, like there are thousands of them in the country, as you know^, and as every newspaper man in the country knows. The Chairman. They say, " Among the speakers whom the asso- ciation hopes to send out are the following: W. Bourke Cockran; former United States Senator Joseph W. Bailey of Texas; the honorable Bainbridge Colby of New York." You know nothing about that ? Mr. MooRE. No, sir, not a thin^g. If I did I would tell you. I don't know anything about that. The Chairman. I know you would tell us. What is the Forward Looking Association of Ohio? Mr. Moore. Never heard of it. The Chairman. You never heard of it ? Mr. MooRE, I never heard of it. No, I never heard of it, Senator. Senator Pomerene. Never? Mr. MooRE. Never heard of it. The Ci-iAiRMAN. Well, you don't claim to be looking backward all the time, in Ohio ? Who is the Secretary of State ? Mr. MooRE. Now ? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. MooRE. Judge Smith. The Chairman. Harvey C. Smith? ^ Mr. MooRE. Harvey C. Smith. The Chairman. Harvey Smith. Mr. MooRE. He is a Republican, and renominated on the Repub- lican ticket. A very excellent gentleman. The Chairman. Who is M. H. Sloman? Mr. MooRE. Never heard of him. The Chairman. And you never heard of the Forward Looking As- | sociatioii of Ohio ? I PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2221 Mr. Moore. Never. After you get through with that paper will it be too much trouble for you to let me see it ? The Chairman. Not at all. It seems to have related to the elec- tion in Ohio in 1916, I should judge; an association of men to for- ward the the election of Governor Cox. Mr. MooRE. Well, I never heard of it, Senator. The Chairman. One of the contributors is George F. Burba. Mr. Moore. George F. Burba is now dead. He was the editor of the Columbus Dispatch. The Chairman. The Columbus Dispatch? Mr. MooRE. Yes, sir, that is one of the Wolfe newspapers. Senator Pomerene. And his secretary Mr. MooRE. He was secretary of Governor Cox from 1912 to 1914. The Chairman. George Ozias. Mr. MooRE. I never head of him. Senator Pomerene. He is a lawyer at Dayton, Ohio. Mr. MooRE. What is that? Senator Pomerene. Dayton, Ohio. The Chairman. George Schantz, of Dayton? Mr. MooRE. Shantz, of Dayton? The Chairman. Yes, S-h-a-n-t-z. Mr. MooRE. Yes. The Chairman. I will be glad to show it to you, Mr. Moore (hand- ing paper to Mr. Moore). Mr. Moore. That is 1916. The Chairman. 1916? Mr. Moore. Yes. The Chairman. That was in reference to the 1916 campaign? Mr. Moore. Did it also use my name ? The Chairman. No ; it did not use your name. Mr. MooRE. Well, 1 don't Imow it then. There are so many of those things that I don't know about them all. I never heard any- thing about that, never heard of it. The Chairman. I don't know as it is really material. Mr. Hays on the stand the other day produced a letter from a gentleman whom we }iave been trying to get here as a witness, but have not succeeded. We will, though, before we get through. Mr. MooRE. Who is he, Senator? Perhaps I could The Chairman. He is from New Jersey. Mr. MooRE. AVell, I don't know anything about New Jersey. Sena- tor Edge would know more about that. Senator Edge. I know the gentleman. He seems to be very elusive and evasive for some reason or other. The Chairman. I think you were not here, Mr. Moore, when that letter was placed in the record. Senator Pomerene. Was that that twenty-five The Chairman. That is that liquor letter. Mr. Moore. Mr. Carroll? The Chairman. Mr. Carroll. Mr. Moore. Yes ; that is what they say, I know. The Chairman. Have you heard of him ? Mr. Moore. No ; except I saw that in the testimony. The Chairman. You did? 182774— 20— PT 15 9 2222 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Moore. Yes. The Chairman. Did you know of any effort of that kind being made by the liquor interests of New Jersey? Mr. MooRE. No ; I naturally would not, because it does not appear to be a national matter. It is for their State. The Chairman. That illustrates, of course, what can be done in this question of campaign expenditures in different States. Mr. MooRE. Absolutely. The Chairman. In different organizations. Mr. MooRE. Absolutely, Senator. The Chairman. Away from all national committees. Mr. MooRE. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How is that going to be regulated? Have you given that any thought, Mr. Moore ? Mr. MooRE. Sir? The Chairman. How are you going to stop that? Now, I don't refer to this particular instance. Mr. MooRE. I understand. The Chairman. But you can have organizations in the State help- ing along with the work, organizations that are not compelled to make any reports of their expenditures. Mr. MooRE. The only way you can do it would be when the elec- tions are of a national character, and it can only refer to such an election as one in which Senators or Congressmen are elected. The Chairman. That could not refer to a presidential election, could it, because you are electing electors who are State officers. That is doubtful. Mr. MooRE. Yes. The Chairman. How are you going to stop the raising of money ? Mr. MooRE. I don't know. Senator, but it is worth trying to see if it can be done. The Chairman. You think it is not worth trying ? Mr. MooRE. It is worth trying. As I recall it in that case it refers to the State matter, and asked for a contribution of $25, or some- thing of that kind. Senator Edge. If we can get Mr. Carroll I wish we would do so. I think it was a national association, not a State association. Mr. Moore. I think not; but at any rate I want to say. we received no such money that I know, and we never have been authorized by our committee, that I know of. The Chairman. Mr. Carroll is the president. I think it is New J ersey . Senator Edge. Well, I had that impression. I can't answer that myself. Senator Spencer. Is that name Mr. George T. Carroll ? : Mr. MooRE. I don't remember that ; when he spoke of it I remem- bered there Avas a Mr. Carroll. I never heard of him before. Senator Spencer. The president of the New Jersey Federation of Liquor Interests. I hold in my hand a copy of Justice, which is the liquor dealers' publication, is it not ? Mr. MooRE. I never heard of that. Senator Spencer. You never heard of that. Which speaks of the National Retail Liquor Dealers' Association of America, president George T. Carroll, Elizabeth, N. J. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2223 Mr. Moore. Yes; but that has nothing to do with the national Democratic committee. It is their association, and if you will read the letter, it appears to refer to the election in New Jersey. Senator Spencer. I thought it referred to the election of Mr. Cox. Mr. MooRE. Of course I know nothing. Senator, except what you know. The Chairman. It refers to the election of Mr. Cox to the presi- denc}^ Mr. Moore. Yes ; but also if yow go on you Avill see that it refers to the election in the State. The Chairman. In this letter it states : " The organized liquor trade of New Jersey has set out to do its part toward the election of James M. Cox as the next President of the United States, and it becomes my duty to call upon you to help,", Now, it would appear evident from the letter that Mr. Carroll, whether he has any au- thority or not — we have not been able to discover — is engaged in an effort to help in the election of Gov. Cox. Mr. Moore. In that State ; it appears so, if the letter is correct. The Chairman. What is The Ohio Liquor License League ? Mr. MooRE. I don't know. I never belonged to it. The Chairman. Have you ever heard of it ? Mr. Moore. I don't know whether I ever heard of the Ohio Liquor License League. There have been various leagues. The Chairman. Do you know Nicholas Dutle, the secretary of the Ohio Liquor League ? Mr. Moore. Yes ; I know Nicholas Dutle. The Chairman. He was general secretary of the Ohio Liquor License League ? Mr. Moore. Nicholas Dutle ; yes. The Chairman. Well, what is that ? Mr. Moore. Well, that I don't think is in existence now. That was during the time that we had a license laAV in Ohio. We passed a license law in Ohio in 1913, Senator, a very stringent license law, and in order to see that the various members of this league complied with the law, and to perpetuate the license system, which the liquor dealers thought Avould be the ultimate advantage of their business, because it put it on a much more respectable plane, a much more law- abiding plane than it had ever been before, they organized this league. I don't think they called it the license league ; I thought they called it the liquor league. But I know a league that Mr. Dutle was secre- tary of. The Chairman. Yes; that is the Ohio Liquor License League of the State of Ohio. Mr. Moore. The Ohio Liquor License League. The Chairman. Do you think that is in existence now ? Mr. Moore. I don't think so, Senator. I have heard nothing of it. You see, our State went dry before the country went dry ; that is, it voted State prohibition in 1918, wasn't that right. Senator? Senator Pomerene. Yes. Mr. MooRE. And of course that ended the license system, on May 26, 1919, so I don't think that is in existence at all. Senator Pomerene. And prior to that time there was a State liquor license commission? 2224 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Moore. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And that State liquor license commission designated to whom licenses could be issued ? Mr. Moore. No ; not the State, Senator, you don't mean. The State liquor license commission appointed county license commissioners, and appeals were taken from them to this committee. The Chairman. Did this Ohio Liquor License League contribute to the Cox campaign? Mr. Moore. I don't know. The Chairman. I call your attention to this because of the fact that the statement is made that Gov. Cox said that none of those organizations, no liquor interests contributed to his campaign. Mr. MooRE. Well, to the best of my knowledge, I don't know whether they did. The Chairman. This is a certified copy of the report. They all have to file reports with the Secretary of State, do they not, any contributors ? Mr. MooRE. Yes; any that take any active part in poltical cam- paigns have to file reports. The Chairman. This is a certified copy of the statement filed by that organization, the Ohio Liquor License League of the State of Ohio. I don't consider it of great importance. Senator Pomerene. What year? The Chairman. 1916, showing contributions to the campaign for governor. I will put that in the record. (The statement of the Ohio Liquor License League of the State of Ohio was marked " Moore Exhibit A, of September 10, 1920," and is attached hereto.) Moore Exhibit A of (September 10, 1920. STATEjMENT of the OHIO LIQUOR LICENSE LEAGUE OF THE STATE OF OHIO. Tlie unclersij2;ned respectfully states that he is the general secretary of the Ohio Liquor League of the State of Ohio, whose office is in the city of Dayton therein. That the following statement contains the full amount of all money by him expended, together with the dale of each expenditure, the name of the person to whom and the purpose for which the same was paid in connection with the candidacy of James M. Cox for governor of Ohio at the general election on the 7th day of November, 1910 : That the amount of money wns contributed from the treasury of the said Ohio Liquor League, a permanent dues-paying organization with a member- ship of approximately twenty-five hundr(Ht (2,500) members in good standing, whose annual dues are three dollars ($3.00) per r.nnum per member. Total amount received, .^1,474.52; total amount paid out, $1,474.52; balance on hand, nothing, November 4, 1916. ?siTATE OF Ohio, Montgomery County, ss: I, Nicholas Dutle, being duly sworn, depose and say that I am the general secretary of the Ohio Liquor League of the State of Ohio and that the fore- going is' a full and true statement or account of all contributions made by said Ohio Liquor League and the disposition tliereof nvade by me for them. (Signed) Nicholas Dutle. Sworn to before me and signed in my presence this the 14th day of November, A. D. 1916. Geo. W. Ozius, Notary Public in afid for Montfjomcry County, Ohio. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2225 United States of America, tit ate of Ohio, Office of the Secretary of iitate. I, Harvey C. Smilh, seci-etary of state of the State of Ohio, do hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and correct copy of the statement of tlie Oliio Liquor License lieague of the State of Ohio, as filed in the office of tlie secretary of state of the State of Ohio on the 16th day of November, A. D. 1916. Witness my hand and official seal at Columbus, Ohio, this 6th day of Sep- tember, A. D. 1920. Harvey C. Smith, Secretary of State. Mr. Moore. Oh, I imagine this is an expense account of this man. It is only $1,474, I notice, Senator. Senator Reed. Let me see that. Mr. MooRE. It appears to be a certified copy of some secretary ; the amount is only $1,474. The Chairman. The difficulty of putting Mr. MooRE. You understand. Senator — so I can explain what that probably is — the License League was favorable to the candidacy of Gov. Cox. Gov. Willis, who was running against him, was a i^rohibitionist, and naturally this secretary would travel around the State, and I imagine that would be the account of his expenses, his expense account traveling around the State to work. But there was no contribution to the Democratic campaign fund of any kind. Senator Eeed. When was this money spent? Mr. MooRE. 1916. The Chairman. 1916. Mr. MooRE. In Ohio. Senator Reed. Well, what has it got to do with this ? The Chairman. It hasn't very much to do with it. The letter that was put in by Mr. Hays drew forth a reply from Gov. Cox, and this is really bearing on the controversy between Mr. Hays and Mr. Cox in the newspapers. It is about as material as a lot of things we have had before us. Senator Reed. Well, I inquired to find out. Mr. Moore. You understand my explanation. Senator, that the licensees — the believers in the license laws, were favorable, naturally, to the candidacy of Gov. Cox rather than that of a prohibitionist, in 1916. Senator Edge. It might be considered a lead, Mr. Chairman. The Chairman. Now this illustrates the trouble with telegrams, which you, as a lawyer, know. You have read from telegrams coming from the West the other day. Mr. MooRE. I said to you, Senator, that that was not done as proving anything. The Chairman. No. Mr. Moore. But simply I gave them to you as leads. The Chairman. Now I submit to you, as a fair man, without trying to put them in the record, telegrams that I have received. I don't want to use telegrams if I can help it. But they contradict to some extent statements of your telegrams about Spokane [handing telegrams to Mr. Moore]. Mr. Moore. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And I think those telegrams, perhaps, ought to go into the record. 2226 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Pomerene. Were the others put in? The Chairman. Well, Mr. Moore read the others in. That was as to the quota of Spokane. Now this is a denial, and a setting out of what the quota is. Mr. Moore. Senator Kenyon, you will recall that in reading these telegrams I also called your attention to a letter in which the writer said that he had in his possession a letter from the representative of the national committee. The Chairman. That was to be sent you. Mr. MooRE. And he gave a statement of quotas, that was attached, a copy of the quotas that was attached to the letter, and he said that he was Avilling to be subpoenaed and produce the letter. I know nothing about the truth of it, except he said that there was $220,000 assessed on Washington. The Chairman. I understood the letter was to be sent to you. Mr. Moore. No, not that one. The Chairman. Not that one. Well, there is the trouble w^e get into. One man telegraphs one thing and another telegraphs an- other. If we take the telegrams we have got to bring the witnesses, and it is a long way to bring them, and an expensive proposition. Senator Edge. Well, is there any obligation to receiving answers? The Chairman. Do you object? Senator Pomerene. The statement has been made that they were simply offered as a lead, and if so, I see no objection to introducing those for the same purpose. Mr. Moore. This shoAvs that there was a quota; there is just a dif- ference as to the amount. The Chairman. Just a difference as to the amount? Mr. MooRE. Just a difference as to the amount. It says it has been reduced there to $17,000. The Chairman. Without establishing this as a precedent Senator Keed. Let me see that, please. The Chairman (continuing) : And in view of the telegrams Mr. Moore has read from, we will put these in. I am not in favor of the policy of putting in telegrams. Mr. MooRE. You understand, Senator, that I don't contend that any of these statements I receive are true. If there is a statement contained in a letter from a Kepublican committeeman, I suppose that is? The Chairman. Yes. Senator Edge. In other words, you are the vehicle for all the Democratic leads, as some of us seem to be the vehicle for other leads. Mr. MooRE. I hardly think I am for all of them. Senator Edge. They all pick on you. Mr. MooRE. I think the public is interested in knowing whether there is a very, very large fund being raised, and I offer to the committee only such of the matters that I have which from their authorship I suppose to be true. I do not offer the other things. I have got a large quantity of it that I have thrown in the waste basket. . ■ The Chairman. I Avill put in the record this telegram received from Thaddeus S. Lane, chairman Spokane County ways and means, committee, dated Spokane, Wash., September 9. i PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2227 (The telegram is as follows:) Spokane, Wash., September 9, 1920. Senator William S. Kenyon, Chairman Senate Investigating Committee, Chicago, III. The Associated Press this morning reports Edmond H. Moore, as personal representative of Gov. Fox repeating to your committee tlie claim of Gov. Cox that Spokane was assessed $50,000 for Republican campaign purposes. I am chairman Spokane County ways and means committee under date February 27, 1920. I received letter from the Republican State ways and means commit- tee in which it is stated " You will notice that your quota was $20,000 but has been reduced to $17,000, of which amount Mr. Coman has remitted $5,950. Coman was my predecessor. A total of $14,000 has been subscribed and col- lected. This is made up of a large number of individual subscriptions, the largest being $500 under directions of State committee This amount has been divided as follows : For Spokane County, 25 per cent and balance to Stale and National committee. No other quota or instructions have been received by me." Thaddeus S. Lane, Chainnaa Spokane County Ways and Means Committee. The Chairman. Mr. Moore, do you know anything — and I don't suppose you do, but I will ask you — about propaganda around the country on the Democratic side, as well as the Eepublican, Avith refer- ence to the League of Nations ? Mr. MooRE. I have no doubt we have propaganda out on the League of Nations, just as the Republicans have. The Chairman. Now, I have had sent me since we have been here a number of little books called " A Golden Date." Mr. MooRE. I never heard of it. The Chairman. Which seems to be a propaganda for the League of Nations ; mostly editorials from the St. Louis Globe-Democrat. Senator Reed. Who is sending them ? The Chairman. They are being sent around the country. Mr. MooRE. Is the Globe-Democrat a Republican paper? The Chairman. I think it is. Mr. MooRE. Is that in favor of the League or against the League? The Chairman. In favor of the League. Mr. Moore. I have never seen that. Senator Reed. Who is sending it out ? The Chairman. I don't know that. Half a dozen have been sent to me. Senator Reed. There is nothing on the document itself to show what it is. The Chairman. Well, it says where you can get it. Senator Reed. Well, there is nothing on the document itself show- ing who is responsible for it. The Chairman. Charles F. Haanel, 707-709-711 Pine Street, St. Louis, Mo., seems to be the author. You have no knowledge of who would be sending out syndicated articles that appear in the papers concerning the League of Nations ? Mr. MooRE. I haven't seen any. Senator. I didn't know that there were any out. The Chairman. Well, I have had sent to me here as chairman of this committee a letter inclosing an article by Dr. Frank Crane on the League of Nations. Mr. MooRE. No, sir, I have not seen that. The Chairman. That seems to be all over the country. Have you seen that article, or any of those articles? 2228 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Moore. I have never seen them. The Chairman. Do you know whether there is any propaganda — or do you know any one that is financing any of that matter? Mr. MooRE. I don't think — I am positive that our committee is not, and I don't know of any others. The Chairman. Is it the League to Enforce Peace? Mr. MooRE. That Mr. Taft is the head of? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. Moore. The League to Enforce Peace ? The Chairman. The League to Enforce Peace ? Mr. MooRE. Mr. Taft is the head of that League. The Chairman. Do you know who the treasurer is of that League, Mr. Moore, the League to Enforce Peace ? Mr. MooRE. You would have to ask Mr. Taft. I don't know any- thing about that League, except what I have seen in the news- papers; I know just what you know. I only know that ex-President Taft is the head of it, judging by what I see in the newspapers. The Chairman. Well, I think that is all. Senator Spencer. Mr. Moore, as I gather your testimony — I didn't hear the first of it distinctly — you have no connection with the Asso- ciation Opposed to National Prohibition? Mr. MooRE. I never heard of it, Senator, except through Walker Buell. I am a pretty busy man, and don't read the newspapers as often as I ought to, and while the Cleveland Plain Dealer is in my section, I did not see the communication that Walker had sent down, his interview with Wayne Wheeier in Washington. When I was m Washington, about a month before the convention, Walker called my attention to it. I guess you know Mr. Buell — he is a ver}'^ high-class man. But he asked me about it, and I told him that I had never heard of it, and he went on to tell me what it was. Senator Spencer. In their publications they put your name in " Edward H. Moore, Youngstown." Mr. MooRE. No; they did not. Senator Spencer. That is the way it appears Mr. Moore. No ; they did not. Not according to the way Walker said. This is their tentative list of the fellows they are going to have to run their organization ; in other words, they put it in to get the money out of the suckers ; to get the money out of the suckers they give a list of well-known men in the various States that they think are going to have to look after their interests in their particu- lar State. Senator Spencer. No; they make it positive. Here is what it says : " New York, managed from headquarters ; Massachusetts, Erank C. Hall, Hotel Somerset," and then follows a number of States, and among them is Ohio, EdAvard H. Moore, Youngstown." Mr. Moore. Let me see that. (Senator Spencer handed Mr, Moore a document headed, "Associa- tion Opposed to National Prohibition.") Senator Spencer. And that is really entirely unauthorized? Mr. MooRE. Why, Senator, you were not fair with me. I thought Mr. Buell would not lie to me. Senator Spencer. Read it. Mr. Moore. I didn't think Mr. Buell would tell me what was not true. It says, "After consultation with prominent men of many PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES, 2229 States, the managing directors selected the following tentative list of leaders in their respective States," and I was held out, of course, as the tentative leader in my State. The Chairman. As a well-known prohibitionist. Mr. Moore. Yes; as a well-known proliibitionist, with the reverse English, Senator. Senator Spencer. But you really know nothing about it ? Mr. Moore. I never really heard of it before, and know nothing about it. Nobody ever talked with me of the organization. You know how it is, sometimes friends of yours — not friends, or they wouldn't do it — but alleged friends of yours or acquaintances, will invite you to luncheon — I know they do it to prominent statesmen in Washington — and they will arrange it so that they will be seen in company with a prominent man, and then they will sell you to some sucker Avho comes along and has seen them, when, as a matter of fact, the person who does that has only a speaking acquaintance with the prominent man. The Chairman. That is what comes from being prominent. Mr. Moore. Yes ; that is what comes from being prominent. Senator Spencer. That has no connection with the Mahoning County antiprohibition committee, has it? Mr. Moore. Now, Senator, I am not running for President, but I will be glad to answer. Senator Spencer. Answer the question; we will be glad to fin- ish up. Mr. MooRE. No; the Mahoning County antiprohibition committee was a committee that was organized — you know we used to have every two years a fight in our State, in every county in the State, on the wet and dry question ; we used to have a county local option law, and it was finally repealed in 1914, either 1913 or 1914. Senator Spencer. Just ansAver my question. That has no connec- tion with the Mahoning County antiprohibition committee? Mr. Moore. Oh, Senator, you know it has not. Senator Spencer. I am asking you if it has. Mr. Moore. No. If you don't know, I will answer you frankly. It has not. Senator Spencer. It has no connection with it, and is not a con- tinuance of it? Mr. MooRE. No. The Chairman. Well, right there, whatever you know about that county, does it show that campaigning was pretty expensive ? Senator Spencer. Yes; that shows a large amount. Mr. MooRE. On both sides; yes. Senator, on both sides. I think they spent ten or twelve thousand dollars each side for advertising. The Chairman. What year? Mr. MooRE. 1914. Senator Pomerene. What is the object of this? Senator Spencer. I am not going into this. It is the witness who is continuing it. Mr. Moore. No ; Senator Kenyon Senator Pomerene. If it has any connection with the presidential campaign let us go into it. The Chairman. We are getting along nicely. I assume respon- sibility for it. I did not intend to go into it. 2230 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. I do not want to be offensive, but I am just asking you for the reason for going into this. I want to know the reason. If there is a connection, going back into 1914, in some local campaign, with the present. I just wondered, that was all. The Chairman. There isn't very much. Senator Spencer. Mr. Moore, did your relationship Mr. Moore. Senator, would it be out of the way for me to make a statement: I hope these questions that are directed to me are not asked with the idea of injecting into this campaign a wet and dry issue. I think the fact that I have always been a very strong opponent of prohibition should have nothing more to do with the national campaign than that George White, the chairman, has always been for prohibition, and voted for it in Congress. Senator Edge. You get them coming and going. Mr. Moore. Well, I don't know about that. I notice, Senator, that in this list that I glanced at, that there were five of the Horsters of the Horster Brewing Co. contributing to the Republican campaign Now, in Ohio we don't consider the wet and dry question a Republican or Democratic issue. It is a local issue. Senator Spencer. What list do you refer to? Mr. MooRE. In this list of contributions to the Republican national committee that was here yesterday. Senator Spencer. And it was offered in evidence yesterday? Mr. Moore. Yes, sir. In Ohio Ave never considered the wet and dry question a political issue. The wets are Republicans and the drys are Republicans, and vice versa. The Chairman. Mr. Moore, if there are some separate organiza- tions who are raising money to contribute to political campaigns Mr. Moore. You ought to know it. The Chairman (continuing). — We ought to know it. Mr. Moore. Yes. The Chairman. If either the Anti-Saloon League is raising money for such purpose or the Anti-Prohibitionists are raising money for such purposes, we want to knoAV it. Mr. MooRE. Yes. Now the Anti-Saloon League was raising $27,- 000,000, I understand — I don't know whether they are, — whether The Chairman. And I suppose the liquor interests are raising great sums? Mr. MooRE. Yes, they are each raising money for their own pur- poses ; not for political purposes. Senator Spencer. The letter from George T. Carroll, president, under date of July 22, 1920, whose office is 849 Broad Street, Newark, N. J., with a heading in a hand pointing to that address (849 Broad Street) : " Help Elect Men Who will Kill Prohibition," I understood you to say that your impression was that that was a New Jersey matter, local in its character. Mr. MooRE. Apparently, from the tenor of the letter. I know nothing about it, except what I gather from the tenor of the letter. I know this, however, that it has no possible connection with the National Committee. We know nothing about it. I never heard of it. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2231 Senator Spencer. I will read you but a single sentence from the letter : The nomination of Governor Cox of Ohio for the presidency by the Demo- crats is a big victory for our interests, and it can be attributed to a great degree to the activity of our trade organizations here in New Jersey and through- out the nation. It would look more than local, wouldn't it? Mr. Moore. If you go on and read it — that statement is there — but you know that before the campaign no liquor dealers or no liquor interests contributed one penny to Governor Cox's campaign. Senator Reed. And Senator, you don't claim that because some man wrote a letter, somebody that you don't even know, and he put a statement like that in, that you can read that statement here in the record and that it becomes evidence of a fact ? Senator Spencer. Xo, it is not evidence. What I am trying to find out is whether it is true, and whether this witness knows as to whether it is true or not, that either the New Jersey liquor interests, of which Mr. George T. Carroll is the president, or the National Retail Liquor Dealers' Association of America, of which the same George T. Carroll, of Elizabeth, is president — as to whether those organizations are directly contributing to the nomination or election of Governor Cox as president. Mr. MooRE. I know they did not directly or indirectly contribute, they or any other organization, and I am very certain — I am not the treasurer, but I am very certain that in no wise are they to the national. I know they did not to the other. Senator Spencer. That is all. Senator Reed. That is all. Senator Poi\rERENE. And you were the general manager of Gov. Cox prior to the convention ? Mr. MooRE. Yes; and I think I know as much about it as any- body else, as any man could. Senator Edge. You made a remark a few minutes ago, if I got it correctly, that in Ohio the liquor interests or liquor business, or something to that effect, were in no way affected with politics. Mr. Moore. No ; I did not. Senator Edge. What was your exact statement? Mr. MooRE. Both the Anti-Saloon League and the liquor interests have been in Ohio, as every other State in the Nation, very active. I said in Ohio the leading Democrats and the leading Republicans, and the rank and file of the Democrats and the rank and file of the Republicans, did not consider the prohibition question a partisan issue, and as evidencing that I called attention to the fact that for instance the chairman of our party is an Ohio Democrat who was a Member of Congress and voted for prohibition, and that I am an antiprohibition man, and on the other hand, that many of your contributions, for instance, come from men connected with the liquor interests. For instance, Rud Hynicka, appears in your list of contributions that is filed here, is a contributor for $1,000. That is what I said, 'Senator. Senator Edge. Mr. Moore, there isn't any question in the world that men interested in the liquor business are members of both political parties, but again I repeat, and I think if you go back to 2232 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. the record you will find that my interpretation is entirely justified, that you gave an impression that the liquor question was not an issue in Ohio. Mr. Moore. No ; I did not. Senator Edge. Of course, members of both parties are interested in each side of the question. Mr. Moore. I want to go further than that, and say that so far as any party platform is concerned, the Republicans in Ohio in 1914 and 1916, if I recall correctly, and in 1918— surely in 1914—1 no; I don't think in 1914, but in 1916 and 1918, my recollection is that the State platform of the Republican Party — about that I may be mistaken — declared for prohibition; but I say this, that the Democratic Party never, in the State of Ohio, in the last 25 years, since I have been active in politics, 30 years, 35 years, to be morej exact, has had a plank on that question. J Senator Edge. They have not had a plank ? I Mr. Moore. No, sir. Senator Edge. But does that keep them from being interested in certain candidates that may favor their interest? Mr. MooRE. Oh, not the liquor interests; I am talking about the Democrat Party. Senator Edge. Does that keep the liquor interests from being in- terested in the election or defeat of certain candidates for office ? Mr. Moore. No, sir, they always have been interested in that, just as the Anti-Saloon League has been, everywhere. Senator Edge. I didn't think they had come to the time when they would keep out of politics, because I had not heard of any State that has reached the millennium and could keep the liquor question out of politics. Mr. MooRE. No, both the Anti -Saloon League and the liquor in- terests were very active in the party; the Anti-Saloon League has always supported the Republican party. Senator Spencer. Can you give us any information, Mr. Moore, as to whether the statement in this letter that " It is now up to our trade organizations " — that is the National Retail Liquor Dealers' Association — " to stand unitedly behind the ticket of Cox and Roosc- A^elt and roll up such a majorit}^ as will show convincingly that the public will is in our favor" — as to whether any such plan, as far as you know, is noAV in operation? Mr. MooRE. No sir, no more than I would know that Senator Spencer. Well — go on. Mr. MooRE. I know there is no connection of ourselves with them, a Senator Spencer. And so far as you knoAv in regard to the nomina-» tion of Gov. Cox, it is not true that the nomination can be at-« tributed to a great degree to the activity of our trade organizations" here in New Jersey and throughout the nation," and by "trade or- ganization " they mean the liquor dealers association. Mr. MooRE. So far as I know, I know that is not true, because I know they were supporting Gov. Edwards for President. Senator Spencer. That is all. The Chairman. There is one thing I want to ask Mr. Moore. Mr. MooRE. And I think Senator Edge knows that. The Chairman. The time you were before the committee before we tried to get, under the resolution of the Senate, from all the PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGIT EXPENSES. 2233 difFerent managers, the expenses, and you could only give them, of course, from each manager up to that time. Mr. Moore. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Now just to complete our record, so we can make a proper report to the Senate, if you will furnish the committee a further statement, a completed statement ? Mr. MooRE. I can do it roughly now The Chairman. Complete it. Mr. MooRE. I can not do it until Mr. Morris, the governor's sec- retary, returns with the governor from the West. Approximately between forty and fifty thousand dollars. I think I showed over $40,000. The Chairman. More than you reported before ? Mr. MooRE. No ; all told. The Chairman. You will furnish that to us ? Mr. MooRE. Yes. The Chairman. Will you give them to us at your leisure? Mr. Moore. Yes; I will do that when Mr. Morris returns. I had these other matters that I wanted to present. Senator Reed. I must get away right away. Mr. MooRE. I have some matters to present. The Chairman. Mr. Moore, if you have any special matters to bring up, very well. But we don't want to go over any names that have already been presented. Mr. MooRE. I have some documents that came from the Republi- can committee that I would like to go in, as I come to them, and the others will be names. I won't spend any time on this, however. I will hand the telegrams to you, and not spend time reading them. I will just give them to you so as to give you the information that I have. The Chairman. Very well. We Avill now adjourn until 2.30 this afternoon. (Thereupon, at 1 o'clock p. m., an adjournment was taken until 2.30 o'clock p. m. of the same day, Friday, Sept. 10, 1920.) AFTER RECESS. The subcommittee met, pursuant to adjournment, at 2.30 p. m., Fri- day, September 10, 1920, in room 603 Federal Building, Chicago, 111., Senator William S. Kenyon presiding. Present: Senators Kenyon (chairman). Spencer, Pomerene, and Reed. The Chairman. Mr. Mavity. TESTIMONY OF MR. CHARLES K. MAVITY. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. The Chairman. Give your name to the reporter, Mr. Mavity. Mr. Mavity. Charles K. Mavity. The Chairman. Where is your home, Mr, Mavity? Mr. Mavity. Elhvood, Ind. The Chairman. You are connected with the national committee? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. 2234 PRESIDENTIAX, CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. In what capacity? Mr. Mavity. At the present time I am director of the ways and means campaign in Iowa. The Chairman. In Iowa? Mr. Mavity. Yes. The Chairivian. What Avas the quota for Iowa ? Mr. Mavity. The national quota for Iowa Avas $75,000. The Chairman. You do not have any trouble raising that in Iowa, do you ? Mr. Mavity. We think not. The Chairman. How much have you raised in Iowa ? Mr. Mavity. I believe it is approximately $52,000. The Chairman. Noav, Mr. McNider Senator Pomerene. I did not get that — $52,000, and Avhat else? Mr. Mavity. $52,000. Senator Pomerene. Has been raised ? Mr. Mavity. Raised in loAva ; yes, sir. The Chairman. Mr. McNider, Avho Avas on the stand, financial director for Iowa Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. The Chairman (continuing). Or chairman of the Avays and means committee Mr. Mavity. Chairman. The Chairman (continuing). Said the amount Avas $75,000, and it was subsequently raised to $200,000, as I understand it. Mr. Mavity. He said the national quota Avas $75,000, as given by the national committee. The Chairman. Yes. Mr. Mavity. And in their organization there he authorized local quotas aggregating $200,000. The Chairman. In addition to the $75,000? Mr. Mavity. No. The Chairman. Including it? Mr. Mavity. Including the $75,000. The Chairman. To cover the State campaign and the national campaign ? Mr. Maaity. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Well, did you, as a representative of the national committee, make any suggestion as to raising the quota in Iowa? Mr. Mavity. No, sir. The quotas in Iowa were fixed before I went there. I have only been in loAva since the 2d of August. The Chairman. Well, just why are they picking on loAva in this matter ; do you know ? Mr. Mavity. I am sure I do not know. The Chairman. Well, I will turn you over to the gentleman from Ohio and see if he can find out. Senator Pomerene. Well, they have a lot of fat, sleek stock out there, haA^e they not ? Mr. Mavity. It is a great State. Senator Pomerene. Of course it is a great State, and they haA^e a great Senator from that great State. The Chairman. Oh, that is admitted ! But let us get on to some- thing else. PEESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGX EXPENSES. 2235 Senator Pomeeexe. Mr. Mavity, you have been in loTra since about the 1st of August ; that is right, is it not ? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomeeexe. And you are out there representing Mr. Upham in the raising of these funds ? ^Ir. Mavitt. Yes. sir. Senator Pomeeexe. Are you a Y. M. C. A. man, too? Mr. Mavity. I am not. The Chaiemax. Are 3-ou a minister's son? ^Ir. Mavity. I am not. The Chaiemax. What was 3'our special virtue that gave you entree into this select society ? Mr. Mavity. I am a former newspaiDer man. The Chaiemax. That is good. Senator Po^ieeexe. AVell. that is getting away from the Y. M. C. A. business. Who advised you that the quota for Iowa was to be $75,000? Mr. Mavity. I was told that in the Chicago office before I started for Iowa — before I started to Iowa. Senator Pomeeexe. By whom ? Mr. Mavity. By Mr. Owen. Senator Pomeeexe. Was that at this famous luncheon in the Tower Eoom ? Mr. Mavity. I attended no luncheon in the Tower Eoom. Senator Pomeeexe. At that time you were not of the elect, I suppose ? Mr. MA^^TY. I was not invited. Senator Pomeeexe. Well. now. when Mr. Owen told you of this $75,000, you understood, did you, that that was for the exclusive use of the national committee? Mr. Mavity. Of the national committee ; yes. sir. Senator Pomeeexe. And at that time was there any arrangement, so far as you know, for the raising of a joint fund for the national and State campaigns ? Mr. Mavity. I was told that there was a joint campaign in Iowa. At the same time that we were raising $75,000 for the national cam- paign, we were trying to raise $50,000 for the State campaign. Senator Pomeeexe. That would make $125,000? Mr. Mavity. That would make 8125,000; yes. sir. Senator Pomeeexe. And then after you got into conference with Mr. McXider. that was raised to $200,000? Mr. Mavity. The quotas were fixed and announced before I ever got to Iowa. Senator Pomeeexe. Did I understand you? Did you not say a moment ago that Mr. McXider had raised this to $200,000? Mr. Mavity. He testified the other day that he had authorized quotas aggregating $200,000. Senator Pomeeexe. Oh. I see. Well, you do not mean to be under- stood as takincf issue with him on that amount, do you? Mr. Mavity^ Xot at all. Senator Pomeeexe. So that we can accept it as a fixed fact that $200,000 is in process of being raised in the State of Iowa for national and State campaigns? 2236 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Mavity. We are not raising $200,000. Senator Pomerene. What are you raising? Mr. Mavity. We are trying to raise $75,000 for the national, and $50,000 for the State. Senator Pomerene. Well, but Mr. McNider says $200,000. Mr. Mavity. He said that was the quota. Senator Pomerene. Well, I wish you would explain that a little • more clearly. How do you distinguish between the quota and the amount you are actually raising? Mr. Mavity. The quota is the target at which we shoot. Senator Reed. Do you aim to hit it ? Mr. Mavity. We very seldom do. Senator Reed. Do you aim to hit it, or do you put up something - you do not intend to hit, and aim at something you do not intend to hit? Mr. Mavity. We know we will not hit it. Senator Reed. Yes. Senator Pomerene. Well, suppose you do hit it. What are you going to do with the extra money? Mr. Mavity. I could not answer as to that. Senator Pomerene. You have had no plan with regard to the dis- position of the surplus, if a surplus is raised ? Mr. Mavity. No, sir. Senator Pomerene. Over and above the $125,000? Mr. Mavity. No, sir. Senator Pomerene. But you have a suspicion as to what you will do with it, have you not? Mr. Mavity. I have nothing to do with that at all. Senator Pomerene. Who would have? Mr. Mavity. I suppose that would be up to the national com- mittee. Senator Pomerene. Yes. You have not heard of any plan to re- fund, have you, any part of that? Mr. Mavity. I have not. Senator Pomerene. No. Now, give us some notion about the plan of your organization. Perhaps we can shorten the inquiry a little by directing your attention to the matter in mind. Did you pursue the same plan that has been pursued in other States here, to have a chairman of the wa3^s and means committee in each of the congres- sional districts of Iowa? Mr. Mavity. There had been those committees appointed, those chairmen appointed, yes, when I reached Iowa. Senator Pomerene. And there are 10 congressional districts in Iowa ? The Chairman. Eleven. Senator Pomerene. Eleven congressional districts? Mr. Mavity. Yes. Senator Pomerene. Have you got your list of chairmen ? Mr. Mavity. It is in evidence, introduced by Mr. McNider. ^ Senator Pomerene. I think you are right about that, and I will I not to go into it any further. I Mr. Mavity. Yes. I Senator Pomerene. Now, have you a statement as to the amount! of collections or contributions which have been made thus far ? J PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2237 ^ Mr. Mavity. I had that, and Mr. McNideh introduced it when he was on the stand the other day, the full amount. Senator Pomerene. So far as you know, that was a correct state- ment ? Mr. Mavity. It was; yes, sir. Senator Pomeeene. Up to what date? Mr. Mavity. I think I have a memorandum Senator Pomeeene. Well, I have not got it very accurately. Your account goes up to what date, Mr. Mavity? Mi\ jNIavity. I thought I had a memorandum of it here. I judge it was to about September 4. Senator Pot^ieeene. Well, that has been gone -into pretty fully, and I will not pursue that any further. You are still continuing your campaign ? Mr. Mavity. Yes ; sir. Senator Pomeeene. Prior to the beginning of your work in Iowa, where were you located ? Mr. Mavity. I was in West Virginia. (Senator Pomeeene. Did you have charge of that campaign? Mr. Mavity. I had charge of the campaign; yes, sir. Senator Pomeeene. And what was your official designation? Mr. Mavity. I was known in West Virginia as executiA^e secretary or director of the campaign. Senator Pomeeene. Well, your duties in West Virginia were prac- tically the same ? Mr. Mavity. Practically the same, ft Senator Pomeeene. As your duties in Iowa ? K Mr.- Mavity. Yes. 9 Senator Pomeeene. And how long had you been in West Virginia ? Mr. Mavity. I was in West Virginia from January 1 up to the time I went to Iowa. Senator Pomeeene. And that was about August 1 ? Mr. Mavity. Yes. Senator Pomeeene. And by the way, what salary were you get- ting? Mr. Mavity. I was getting $100 a week. Senator Pomeeene. Where ? Mr. Mavity. West Virginia. Senator Pomeeene. In AVest Virginia ? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomeeene. And they raised you out here in Iowa ? Mr. Mavity. I got $125 in Iowa. The Chaieman. Is it harder work raising money in Iowa than in West Virginia ? Senator Pomeeene. I think this gentleman could raise money any- where. The Chaieman. Send him to Ohio. Senator Pomeeene. No ; I think you have pretty well milked Ohio by this time. At least you have got the cream. Now, tell us the plan of your organization in West Virginia. Mr. Mavity. The plan of the organization in West Virginia was to have a State chairman of the ways and means committee. The Chaieman. Who was he? 182774— 20— PT 15 10 2238 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Mavity. Mr. T. E. Houston. Senator Pomerene. Go ahead. Mr. Mavity. Then we had chairmen; a chairman in each one of the six districts. Senator Pomerene. Have you got their names ? Mr. Mavity. I have their names here ; yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Give them to us, please. Mr. Mavity. Shall I file them? Senator Pomerene. Just read them off and hand your memo- randum to the reporter. Mr. Mavity. First district Senator Pomerene. And if you have the addresses give them at the same time. Mr. Mavity. First district, J. M. Sanders, Moundsville; second dis- trict, William E. Glasscock, Morgantown; third district, Harry B. Curtin, Clarksburg; fourth district, Taylor Vinson, Huntington; fifth district, D. J. F. Strouther, Welch; sixth district, Joseph H. Gaines, Charleston. Senator Pomerene. Do you knoAv the secretary of state of the State of West Virginia? Mr. Mavity. I do not. Senator Pomerene. Or the auditor of the State, perhaps it was, Mr. Darst. Mr. Mavity. I do not know Mr. Darst ; no. Senator Pomerene. Well, now, what was the quota for West Yir^ ginia as fixed by the national committee? Mr. Mavity. The quota for West Virginia was $40,000. Senator Pomerene. Was that for national, or national and -State purposes ? Mr. Mavity. That was for national alone. Senator Pomerene. And afterwards did you have some arrange^ ment about the amount of funds that were to be raised for State pur- poses in West Virginia? Mr. Mavity. No, sir. Senator Pomerene. Did you not confer with some of the Republi- ji can leaders in West Virginia as to the amount that should be raised? f Mr. Mavity. No, sir. Senator Pomerene. Do you know what amount they have at- tempted to raise for State purposes? Mr. Mavity. I do not. I never heard. Senator Pomerene. Well, you began your activities there about January 1, 1920? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And were you there constantly for a period of nearly eight months? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And do I understand that you took no part whatsoever in the raising of funds for the State campaign ? Mr. Mavity. Absolutely none. Senator Pomerene. Not even in the preliminary arrangements ? Mr. Mavity. None whatever; no. I had nothing to do with the State campaign at all. Senator Pomerene. Well, Avere they conducting these two cam- paigns then — one for State purposes and one for national purposes? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2239 Mr. Mayity. Presumably they were ; but I know absolutely nothing about their State campaign. Senator Pomekene. Well, now, how much did you raise in West Virginia — in money and pledges? Mr. Mayity. Well, according to the statement here in the office, which I think was made a matter of record this morning, we had raised on our national quota something like $22,000. Senator Pomerene. Up to Avhat date? Mr. Mayity. That was up to July 28, if I remember correctly. Senator Pomerene. How much has been raised since ? Mr. Mayity. I could not tell you. Senator Pomerene. Well, now, do we understand one another? This $22,000, I take it, is the amount that was raised under your direction, or while you were in control of the State ? Mr. Mayity. Yes, sir. There has been nobody w^orking in West Virginia since I was there. Senator Pomerene. AVell, now, was that the cash paid in, or the amount of contributions? Mr. Mayity. I belie Ye that that is the cash. Senator Pomerene. Well, what is the amount of contributions up to any date, of which you may have knowledge? Mr. Mayity. Well, I checked up — the last time I did that, I be- licYe, was on July 20. I checked up on the subscriptions, cash and pledges, and they showed $21,714. Senator Pomerene. AVill you let me see your memorandum, please ? Mr. Mayity. Certainly. Senator Pomerene. Now, you sav the quota for West Virginia Avas $40,000? Mr. Mayity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Did you revise that? Mr. Mayity. I revised the quota for campaign purposes; yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Up or down? Mr. Mayity. Up. Senator Pomerene. You hand me a memorandum, which I will ask you have marked " Mavity's Exhibit No. 1." (The document was marked " Mavity's Exhibit No. 1," and is attached hereto.) Mavity Exhibit No. 1. July 20, 1920. District. First (Wheeling) Second f Morganto^^^l) Third (Clarksburg)..., Fourth (Huntington). Fifth (Welch) Sixth (Charleston) Logan County Total Quota. $12,000 4,000 6,000 8,000 12,000 12,000 1,500 55,500 Amount subscribed. $8,240 1,105 4,439 3, 250 1,730 2,950 21,714 Senator Pomerene. Now, this purports to be a memorandum of date of July 20, 1920, and gives the quota for each district in one column. Mr. Mayity. Yes, sir. 2240 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Pomerene. As revised by you; am I right? Mr. Mavity. Yes — well, not by me solely. I did that in consulta- tion with the chairman. Senator Pomerene. Well, under your direction? Mr. Mavity. Yes. Senator Pomerene. And wdth your approval? Mr. Mavity. Yes. Senator Pomerene. And also the amount subscribed in another column ? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. All of this by districts? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Now, the first district, where Wheeling — the, quota was $12,000, and you subscribed $8,240. That is right, is it ? Mr. Mavity. That was right on that date ; yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And the second district, MorgantoAvn; quota $4,000, and you subscribed $1,105? Third district, Clarksburg; quota, $6,000; amount subscribed, $439. Fourth district, Huntington ; quota, $8,000; amount subscribed, $3,250. Fifth district, Welch- is that right, Welch ? Mr. Mavity. The Welch district, or Bluefield district ; either one. Senator Pomerene. Welch or Bluefield district; quota, $12,000; amount subscribed, $1,730. Sixth district, Charleston ; quota, $12,000 ; amount subscribed, $2,950. Logan County ; quota, $1,500 ; no amount subscribed. What Mr. Mavity. We have not received anything from Logan County. Senator Pomerene. No ; but, perhaps, my question was not clear. Mr. Mavity. No. Senator Pomerene. There are six congressional districts. Mr. Mavity. Oh, I can explain that. Senator Pomerene. And you have Logan County here separate ? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. How is that? Mr. Mavity. Logan County belongs to the fifth district, but it sets in the mountains and is accessible only through Huntington. It is not accessible from Welch or Bluefield, or that country down there. Senator Pomerene. But it was accessible to the national Republi- can committee, was it not? Mr. Mavity. No, sir. We found too many Democrats down there. Senator Pomerene. Well, you are still expected to raise $1,500 there. Now, that makes the total quotas, does it, of $55,500, when the national committee's quota was $40,000? Mr. Mavity. $40,000 ; yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And of that you had raised $21,714? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Now, you have been pretty active politically for a long time, have you not ? Mr. Mavity. I have always taken an interest in politics; yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Where is your home State ? Mr. Mavity. Indiana. Senator Pomerene. Of course, you are familiar with the high cost of politics there. Now, out of the abundance of your experience, PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2241 won't you please suggest to us how much mone}^ in your judgment would be required for the State campaign in West Virginia? Mr. Mavity. I could not answer that question, Senator. Mr. PoMERENE. Well, you know Mr. Darst pretty well, do you ? ^Ir. Mavity. I never have met Mr. Darst.' Senator Pomerene. Do you know who he is ? Mr. Mavity. I know who he is; yes. Senator Pomerene., And 3^ou know he is prett}^ active? Mr. ]\Iavity. Yes ; I know he was very active. Senator Pomerene. And you know, do you not, that before this committee, at one of its sittings in Washington, he said that $100,000 would be a very moderate sum for the campaign for the nomination in ^yest Virginia alone? Mr. Mavity. I never heard him quoted to that effect. Senator Pomerene. Well, if it requires $40,000 to make up the purse of the national expenses which West Virginia ought to pay, how much do you think it Avould require for the West Virginia cam- paign ? Mr. ^Iavity. I could not answer that. Senator Pomerene. Have you been active in any other section of the country? Mr. Mavity. No, sir. Senator Pomerene. In Indiana ? Mr. Mavity. Xo, sir. Mr. Pomerene. I think that is all I care to ask— or, wait a moment. Did you have county chairmen ? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And after you selected your district chairman, they chose the county chairman, did they ? Mr. Mavity. They selected the county chairman ; yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. You are familiar with the Wheeling Register, are you ? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. I have been handed what purports to be a copy of the issue of Sunday, August 29, 1920. There seems to be printed here a letter addressed by you to some one — the addressee's name be- ing omitted — under date of April 24, 1920. AVill you look at that, and see whether you wrote it ?, Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir ; that is my letter. Senator Pomerene. Will you read it, please ? Mr. Mavity. It was addressed — the letter Avas addressed to W". W. Irvfin, postmaster at Wheeling. Senator Pomerene. At Wheeling? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. This is on the letterhead " Republican national committee ; Will H. Hays, chairman ; Fred W. Upham, treasurer.'' Senator Pomerene. Was that a circular letter you were sending out? Mr. Mavity. No, sir. It was a letter I sent out to a number of Wheeling men whose names were given me by Mr. Paxton. Senator Po^merene. Oh. You knew Mr. 'irwin before that time, did you ? Mr. Mavity. I did not. Senator Pomerene. Did you know he was postmaster? 2242 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Mavity. I did not. The Chairman. Is he a Kepublican or Democrat ? Mr. Mavity. A Democrat. The Chairman. They raised your salary after you sent that letter to a Democratic postmaster? Senator Pomerene. See here, are you seeking to collect Govern- ment funds from our Democratic postmasters? The Chairman. I do not know. Mr. Mavity. I can explain that. Senator Pomerene. Is that an index of what you are going to do after election if successful ? The Chairman. " Shake not your gory locks at me." Senator Spencer. The witness wanted to make an explanation. Senator Pomerene. Now, just one moment. This says that you had at this particular time 10 subscriptions in West Virginia of $1,000 each; is that right? Mr. Mavity. That was based on reports that I had received from workers and chairmen in the field. Senator Pomerene. And 18 at $500? Mr. Mavity. On the check up we found we did not have that many ; we lost two by death. Senator Pomerene. With that exception, however, it was correct? Mr. Mavity. The amount was virtually correct; we virtually had that amount, or the equivalent of that amount, at that time. Senator Spencer. What explanation were you going to make about that, Mr. Mavity? Mr. Mavity. Mr. Paxton, who was a Avitness here the other day, had attempted to collect some money in Wheeling, and he had not been very successful. The men were giving in very small amounts. He asked me to write a letter that would make it clear to them that this campaign of ours was not a part of the State campaign. I wrote the letter and submitted it to him. He submitted it to Mr. Ogden, and some others at Wheeling; and I sent the letter out then to a selected list. In the city of Wheeling there are two gentlemen of some prominence, by the name of Irwin. One is W. W. Irwin, the postmaster, and the other is W. B. Irwin, a manufacturer, I believe. Mr. Paxton, or else his stenographer, made a mistake and gave me the name of W. W. Irwin, ancl I sent the letter to the postmaster at Wheeling. The Chairman. Did you put a rubber stamp on it ? Mr. Mavity. I did not, sir. The Chairman. Saying " Deliver at home " ? ^ Mr. Mavity. No, sir. There is the story, as published in the Cin- cinnati Inquirer, Senator [producing newspaper]. Senator Spencer. Then you never intended to send the letter to the postmaster? ( Mr. Mavity. I did not. Senator. Senator Spencer. It was intended to be sent to the other man ? Mr. Mavity. It was intended for the other. It was Mr. Paxton's mistake. Senator Pomerene. But the fact is you intended to get the $1,000 if you could ? Mr. Mavity. Well, not from a postmaster. PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2243 The Chairman. How much did the postmaster send back to you in money ? Mr. Mavity. Here is Mr. Paxton's letter, or his memorandum, there. Senator Pomerene. Is this your explanation, Mr. Mavity — this thing you have handed me? Mr. Mavity. That was sent to me, mailed to me. I do not know who mailed it to me. Somebody mailed it to me. It is an article from the Cincinnati Inquirer. Mr. Paxton told me the same thing when he was here the other day. Senator Pomerene. This is simply an explanation made by some newspaper man? Mr. Mavity. Some newspaper correspondent ; yes. Senator Pomerene. And I have not read it, but it includes the letter Avhich I have just read into the record. Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Well, do you want to keep it? Mr. Mavity. Oh, not particularly. Senator Reed. AVhen did you leave West Virginia? Mr. Mavity. I left West Virginia on July 28. Senator Reed. From the time that you wrote this letter until the date you have given, you spent your time in West Virginia ? Mr. Mavity. In West Virginia; yes, sir. Senator Reed. And that letter was written on the 19th of April, was it.? Mr. Mavity. On the 19th of April ; yes. Senator Reed. You stayed there until July Mr. Mavity. July 28. Senator Reed. About three months? Mr. Mavity. Three months. Senator Reed. On the 19th of April you had $18,000 raised, did you ? Mr. Mavity. Approximately. Senator Reed. How? Mr. Mavity. ^Approximately. Senator Reed. And on July 7, when you left, you only had $21,000?. Mr. Mavity. $21,000, according to the check on July 20, when we checked it — when we made that check up. Senator Reed. Yes. You spent all that time doAvn there, and only raised that additional $2,000, or about $2,000 or $3,000? Mr. Mavity. We had a great deal of trouble dowm there ; yes, sir. Senator Reed. And they sent you to Iowa and raised your salary ? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Well, you had raised the schedule of the national committee, or the quota that the national committee had assigned to West Virginia, had you not? I mean, you raised the amount. Mr. Mavity. We did; yes. Senator Reed. What was the increase in West Virginia? I did not hear quite all of this. I may be tracking over a little of it. Mr. Mavity. I believe there was an overplus there of about $15,000. Senator Reed. You raised the national committee's assessment — I will call it that, or quota, which was $40,000 — you aimed to raise all of the $40,000? 2244 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Mavity. All of the $40,000. Senator Reed. And accordingly you put the quota at $55,000? Mr. Mavity. I believe it was approximately $55,000; yes. Senator Reed. Now, out in Iowa — or, first, the $40,000 which was the quota assigned by the national committee, w^as iDoosted enough by the national committee so that they calculated to get the whole sum, was it not? You have heard that testimony, and you know that is the method? (No response.) Senator Reed. Let me put that in another way. Mr. Mavity. They were asking $40,000 ; yes, sir. Senator Reed. The national committee started to raise $3,000,000 plus, and they fixed a schedule of quotas which aggregate between five and six million dollars, thus swelling the amount it — the com- mittee — expects by swelling the quotas, and then that swollen quota which has already been increased enough to make up for the short- age, you again increased; and then having increased it, you figure that you are going to raise the total quota assessed upon the State by the national committee. That is the method, is it not ? Mr. Mavity. Your sentence is quite complex to me, Senator. Senator Reed. Well, I will make it in a number of short sen- tences. You understand that the national committee desired to raise a given sum of money, and arranged quotas for each of the States? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. When it arranged quotas for each of the States, it increased each quota by a considerable percentage, so that they could make allowance for a failure to come up to the quota as assigned ? Mr. Mavity. I suppose it did; yes, sir. Senator Reed. And then that fixed the total amount that they expected from the States. That was the situation as to that step, was it not, Mr. Mavity? Mr. Mavity. Well, they certainly would increase their quotas ; yes, if they expected to get the amount they needed. i Senator Reed. Now, they did do that; that was your understand-! ing, was it not ? I Mr. Mavity. I am not sure about that ; I do not know. ' Senator Reed. You have heard testimony here, have you not, that while they only expected to raise $3,000,000 plus, their quotas i actually aggregate, I should say, between five and six million dollars ?f Mr. Mavity. Well, that is a matter of record, is it not, Senator? Senator Reed, Yes. But I am asking you that as a basis for another question, that is all. Now, assuming that to be the case, and the quota which you received then was collected, if it was raised, and if all the other States raised a similar quota to the full amount, it would have given to the national committee five or six million dollars instead of the smaller sum of $3,000,000, would it not ? Mr. Mavitv. If it is a matter of fact, as you sa^^ it is. Senator Reed. Well, I say, assuming that to be true. It is proven to be true. The Chairman. Well, that is not exactly right, is it? Senator Reed. Now you take that quota, that swollen quota of the national committee, and you swell it up so that you figure that you PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2245 will collect the entire quota that they assign to your State, do you not? Mr. Mavity. I had absolutely nothing to do with the national quota. Senator Reed. But 5^ou took their quota ? Mr. Mavity. I took their quota ; 3^es, sir. Senator Reed. And you increased it ? Mr. Mavity. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. So that you figured that 3^011 would raise the en- tire amount of their quota ? Mr. Mavity. So I could get $40,000 in West Virginia ; yes, sir. Senator Reed. So that if the method I have indicated was em- plo3^ed, and $40,000 was the proportion assigned to that State, based upon the five to six million dollar quotas of the national committee, instead of getting $3,000,000, they would get $5,000,000 plus; that is the way it Avorks out, is it not ? Mr. Mavity. I do not see that there is any answer coming from me. Senator RrED. All right. Mr. Mavity. Because you are making the statement yourself. Senator Reed. Very well. But I thought you were on here as a sort of expert in these financial matters. Mr. Mavity. Oh, I am not an expert. Senator Reed. And I wanted to get your deductions. Mr. Mavity. I am not an expert. Senator Reed. Let us see how that works out, because I want to get your opinion about this. The quota of the national committee, as published by them for the State of Ohio, and which made allow- ance for the shrinkage, was $650,000. The quota actually fixed by the money diggers for that State was $1,300,000, or a total of 100 per cent increase over the already swollen quota fixed by the national committee. The quota for Michigan, fixed by the national com- mittee, was $250,000. The quota fixed by the money diggers was $3,888,000, a per cent increase of 55. The national committee's quota for Indiana w^as $300',000. The quota as actually fixed by the money diggers was $450,000, an increase of 50 per cent. The national com- mittee quota for Iowa was $75,000. The quota as actually fixed by the money diggers was $200,000, or an increase of 166 per cent. Giving an average increase for those four States of 93 per cent. If that ^3 per cent was applied to all the States by the money diggers, the real quota, instead of being $4,800,000, which was Mr. Upham's figure, would actually be $9,264,000 — the real amount of money raised, I mean, and not the real quota. Now, that is the fact, is it not, and that is the way this process which you were engaged in working out, does work out. Is that not true, Mr. Mavity ? Mr. Mavity. I could not answer your question. Senator Reed. Very well. I think that is all I want to ask you. The Chairman. That is all, Mr. Witness. (Witness excused.) The Chairman. Mr. Lee. 2246 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. TESTIMONY OF MR. CLARENCE W. LEE. The witness was duly sworn by Senator Spencer. Senator Spencer. What is your full name ? • Mr. Lee. Clarence W. Lee. Senator Spencer. Where is your home, Mr. Lee ? Mr. Lee. Sound Beach, Conn. Senator Spencer. You are now connected with the national ways and means committee ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir ; with Mr. Upham's office. Senator Spencer. In what capacity? Mr. Lee. Treasurer's office, as divisional director. Senator Pomerene. Your first name again, please, Mr. Lee? Mr. Lee. Clarence W. Senator Pomerene. Let me remind you, this is Mr. Lee, from Ohio. Senator Spencer. Sound Beach, Conn., he said. Mr. Lee. Senator, I was born in Ohio. Senator Spencer. You were born in Ohio ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Spencer. You are in the treasurer's office as divisional Mr. Lee. As divisional director ; yes, sir. Senator Spencer. Do you have a certain division ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir; 23 States. Senator Spencer. What are those States? Mr. Lee. In New England, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont. Starting in the South with Virginia, North and South Carolina, and Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisi- ana, Arkansas, and Tennessee. In the Pacific division of the West, the nine States of the Western division, Washington, Oregon, Cali- fornia Senator Pomerene. Give me those Pacific States again. Mr. Lee. Washington, Oregon, California, and Arizona. Senator Spencer. Arizona? ^ Mr. Lee. Yes; and Idaho, Montana, Utah, Nevada, and Wyoming. Ij Senator Pomerene. Utah, Nevada, and Wyoming? Ml Mr. Lee. And Wyoming; yes, sir. Ml Senator Spencer. What had been your occupation before you came V to the treasurer's office ? fl Mr. Lee. I have been identified in a general way with various organizations since the beginning of the war — I mean, since the beginning of the World War — in general financial campaign work. Senator Spencer. With what organizations? Mr. Lee. Previously, in special work with the Red Cross and the Y. M. C. A., on simply special campaigns, but for over a year and a half with the War Camp Community Service, first in the organiza- tion work connected with headquarters, in which I had charge of 26 States in the preliminary set-up, and then the united war- work cam- paign in New York, in charge of the industrial division; and I assumed Mr. Blair's place as financial director then of the new organization. Community Service, Incorporated, which was an out- growth of the War Camp Community Service, on March 15, 1919. Senator Spencer. Then, you have had experience in the raising of money with the community war-work drives and the Community Service drives? II PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2247 Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Spencer. And the Red Cross drives also ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Spencer. Was the general plan of those drives similar to the plan that you are following in connection with this political campaign drive ? Mr. Lee. Yes ; almost identical. Senator Spencer. That is all. Senator Pomerene. Mr. Lee, you are regional director, I think you call yourself? Senator Spencer. Divisional director. Mr. Lee. Divisional director is the title. Senator Pomerene. Divisional director? Mr. Lee. It has been called regional director here, because the whole country has been divided into seven zones, and then boiled clown into two distinct groups. Senator Pomerene. And the director in each of those zones was called regional director? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Pomerene. You modified the plan, and now you have charge of the States ? Mr. Lee. Mr. Owen and myself represent the entire country, under Mr. Blair. Senator Pomerene. Your activities, I take it, have been largely with the reorganization of these various States, or the subdivisions thereof, for financial purposes? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir, working from headquarters, not in the field. Senator Pomerene. AVorking from headquarters. Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Here in Chicago? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. I haA^e not been in the field at all, with the excep- tion of before the convention. Senator Pomerene. But your headquarters have been here in Chicago ? Mr. Lee. They have been here permanently, yes, sir, since the mid- dle of July — or June. Senator Pomerene. Now, in the State of Massachusetts, I wish you would tell the committee of your activities in that State; what you have done in regard to organization, raising funds, etc. Mr. Lee. Massachusetts has not been set up in this way until July of this year, at which time Senator Weeks, who was the chairman for the four States of which I mentioned the names — Maine, New Hamp- shire, Vermont, and Massachusetts — asked us to carry out our plan in one or two of the centers. of Massachusetts. It has not been set up, as you have heard, with reference to some of these other States, because the State central committee had had an organization, a financial or- ganization, that had been working since during the Gov. Coolidge campaign a year ago. So that metropolitan Boston, with a little spe- cial work at Springfield and also Pittsburgh, have been practically the only centers that have been touched in the State. Metropolitan Boston, comprised, outside of the smaller districts, thinking in terms, not of Suffolk, Norfolk, etc., but municipalities — about 38 mu- nicipalities — and that was set up under a general campaign plan, dif- ferent in some ways, owing to the location and the nature of their 2248 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. work, and the campaign was inaugurated upon August 26, and it is still being conducted. Senator Pomerene. Well, now, are you familiar with the quota which was assigned to the State of Massachusetts ? Mr. Lee. The entire quota, as I remember it, for the State of Mas- sachusetts, that was assigned by Mr. Upham, was $350,000. Senator Pomerene. Now, was that for the joint national and State campaign ? Mr. Lee. That was not for the joint national and State campaign. That was for the national Senator Pomerene. That was for the national committee ? Mr. Lee. That was for the national committee ; yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And what amount was to be raised for the State campaign in Massachusetts ? Mr. Lee. I do not know. We have nothing whatever to do with that — only in helping out in the metropolitan district. Senator Pomerene. That is $350,000, is it not ? Mr. Lee. No, oh, no. Senator Pomerene. That is your quota, is it not ? Mr. Lee. That is the State quota. Senator Pomerene. Well, now, perhaps I have misunderstood you, Mr. Lee. Mr. Lee. The State quota that has been referred to for Massachu- setts is $350,000. Senator Pomerene. Yes. And you said to me that that was for the national committee, did you not ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And for its purposes alone ? Mr. Lee. For its purposes alone. Senator Pomerene. And that the $350,000, then, is not to be par- ticipated in by the State itself? Mr. Lee. I understand not ; no, sir. Senator Pomerene. Now, then, can you tell the committee how much money was to be raised by the State ? Mr. Lee. I do not know. Senator Pomerene. For State purposes. Mr. Lee. That is Senator Weeks's matter, his own set-up, anJi I do not know what their plan is. Senator Pomerene. In any event, there is nothing in your arrange- ment with the State committee, or the State authorities, which would authorize you to limit the amount to be raised above $350,000? Mr. Lee. No ; you "are speaking of the national committee ? Senator Pomerene. Yes. Now, in the State of Maine Mr. Lee. The State of Maine's quota ? Senator Pomerene. Yes. Mr. Lee. $30,000. Senator Pomerene. And was that for State or national purposes? Mr. Lee. That was for national purposes. Senator Pomerene. And again, you had no authority — that is, this $30,000 had no reference to the needs of the State? Mr. Lee. No, sir. Senator Pomerene. It was not to be used in the State ? Mr. Lee. No, sir, not in the least. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2249 Senator Pomeeene. And then, New Hampshire, what was that quota ? Mr. Lee. $15,000. Senator Pomerene. And that was for national purposes, also ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. How is that? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Vermont? Mr. Lee. $10,000. Senator Pomerene. . That also was for national purposes ? Mr. Lee. National purposes, yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Now, then, in the raising of the funds for national purposes, after these quotas were submitted, were they ex- panded by any of the local committees, with the aicl or knowledge of the national committee ? Mr. Lee. No, sir. It was not necessary in those States to do that. Senator Pomerene. It was not necessary in those States to do that ? Mr. Lee. No, sir. While we have not received full returns, prac- ' tically, the pledges — I think something like $20,000 for Maine — the pledges have been made, and were made within three w^eeks' time. In fact, we had the State director in Maine for three weeks, and he has been taken out of Maine, but we expect them to come through with their balance, which their State chairman has promised. Senator Pomerene. Let us take these other States. North Caro- lina. What was the quota there? Mr. Lee. The quota in North Carolina was $5,000. Senator Pomerene. That was for national purposes alone? Mr. Lee. National purposes, yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. South Carolina? Mr. Lee. South Carolina, $10,000. Senator Pomerene. Also for national purposes? Mr. Lee. National purposes. Senator Pomerene. Georgia? Mr. Lee. $10,000— no, Georgia, $25,000. I was thinking of Florida. Senator Pomerene. For national purposes only? Mr. Lee. National purposes only, yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Florida ? Mr. Lee. $10,000. Senator Pomerene. For national purposes? Mr. Lee. National purposes. Senator Pomerene. Alabama? Mr. Lee. $25,000. Senator Pomerene. Mississippi? Mr. Lee. Mississippi, $5,000. Senator Pomerene. That is also for national purposes? Mr. Lee. National purposes, yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Louisiana? Mr. Lee. $25,000. Senator Pomerene. Arkansas? Mr. Lee. $25,000. Senator Pomerene. Tennessee? Mr. Lee. $10,000 for Tennessee. 2250 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Pomerene. Washington? Mr. Lee. Washington, $60,000. Senator Pomerene. Oregon? Mr. Lee. $25,000. Senator Pomerene. California? Mr. Lee. $200,000. Senator Pomerene. Oregon — no, I asked you for that. Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Pomerene. Arizona ? Mr. Lee. $15,000 for Arizona, I believe. I am not quite sure of that. It is either $15,000 or $20,000. Senator Pomerene. Idaho? Mr. Lee. Idaho, $15,000. Senator Pomerene. Montana? Mr. Lee. Montana, $10,000. Senator Pomerene. Utah? Mr. Lee. Utah, I am not quite sure whether it was $20,000 or ' $25,000. Those totals are right in Mr. Upham's figures there. Senator Pomerene. Nevada? Mr. Lee. Nevada, $10,000. Senator Pomerene. Wyoming? Mr. Lee. Wyoming, $10,000. I may be just a little bit in error on that. I am just taking that from memory, that is all, without check- ing them. Senator Pomerene. I understand. Mr. Lee. Mr. Upham's totals, I think, are the same. They are the same. Senator Pomerene. They are all of them for national purposes alone ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. For the national committee? Mr. Lee. For the national committee. Senator Pomerene. In every one of those States ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. What arrangement was made in all of those States Mr. Lee. There is some arrangement that Mr. Upham or the treasurer's office had with some of those States for the return of funds for State purposes upon those quotas, which varies. Senator Pomerene. In any of those States was any limitation placed upon the amount w^hich was to be raised in the State for State purposes ? Mr. Lee. No limitation. We had, and have, no control over the States. Senator Pomerene. Now, in any of these States other than the New England States about which you have testified, was there any expansion of the quota ? Mr. Lee. Why, only in a nominal way, because most of those fig- ures are moderate. The Massachusetts quota is a very moderate quota, considering the total; and California. There was an expan- sion of the quota in California, because California was set upon the county plan, the entire State. Senator Pomerene. What was the expansion there? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2251 Mr. Lee. I imagine, upon the final, probably, upon a 15 or 20 per cent basis. I am not as familiar with the northern counties as I was with the southern counties. Senator Pomerene. Here in the State of Ohio they are doubling the quota. In Michigan they are adding at least 50 per cent to it. In West Virginia, probably 30 or 35 per cent. And in several of these other States, substantial increases. Now, why is there such a varying quantity, when it comes to the expansion of the quotas, if this expansion is necessary for the purpose of opening the purse strings of the subscribers? Mr. Lee. Senator, that is a campaign expedient, on the quota proposition, and I think that possibly the committee have been con- fused in thinking in terms of quotas, and not in terms of actual cash returned. Of course, two or three of the witnesses have been talking about shooting at the moon, and getting down to a real basis, but in the readjustment of the county quotas, and getting at the mental attitude of these men, they want to make a success of their proposi- tion. Another thing : There is a factor that has to be considered, a safety factor, which is considered in all campaigns, all financial campaigns, and that is why there is a percentage of increase in your quotas. Senator Pomerene. Well, now Mr. Lee. But bear in mind that quotas do not represent money in hand. Senator Pomerene. No ; I know that. Mr. Lee. And many of our States have been closed at less figures than our quotas. Senator Pomerene. Yes ; and on the other hand, Mr. Lee, the quota does not mix the amount which may be collected ; it may be above the quota as well as below the quota. Mr. Lee. Yes ; in some instances, but I think you will find in the ratio, and in the percentage, either by States or by counties — Mr. Kelley spoke of that, and called attention to that — only 51 counties that you will balance up; and if we can raise our fund as it stands to-day, we will be thoroughly and perfectly satisfied. Senator Pomerene. Well, now, Mr. Lee, while here were different plans for different States Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. The variations all balance. Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene (continuing). At the end of the completed ar- rangement, in any State or any district, the refrain was " but get the money." Mr. Lee. Absolutely. We have had to drive our men right straight down the line, not only our men, but w^e have had to drive the com- mittees right straight down the line. Senator Pomerene. Have you anything to do with the expendi- ture of this money? Mr. Lee. Not a particle, sir. Senator Pomerene. Now, in the quotas which you have given here for these several States, were they intended to include the money which was raised prior to June 12, 1920? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. 2252 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Pomerene. Well, as well as since? - Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. That quota covers the whole period, your whole period. I think that that is the one reason why you have got what you have in the consideration of the factors here, where your whole quota covered your entire period. Senator Pomerene. Well, I am not so clear about that since Mr. Upham was on the stand. In a number of these States — I have looked very casually at your exhibits — this quota was almost en- tirely raised before the convention, and I have in mind at this moment Arkansas. Mr. Lee. All right, and there has no work been done in Arkansas since the convention. Now, we have stopped the work in many of the States where the quota has been raised, and we have stopped work in many of the States where the quota has not been raised. Senator Pomerene. And you have kept on raising money where the raising was good? Mr. Lee. Where the raising was good ; yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And of course, there is no guaranty that these quotas may not be raised in the future if the needs of the campaign require it? Mr. Lee. You are talking of the national committee; that is, you are talking of the quotas Senator Pomerene. My question was broad, and it covered either national or State. Mr. Lee. Of course, we have not any control over the State quotas, only in the combination campaign. Senator Pomerene. Now, Mr. Lee, just in a word: In all your active work in connection with the raising of these funds, there has been no attempt to place any restriction on the amount of money which may be raised under the auspices of the State organization ? Mr. Lee. We have not — the national Eepublican ways and means committee has had no power over the State organizations. Senator Pomerene. And they have never attempted to exercise any? Mr. Lee. We have combined with them, and have been practically the only directing agency Senator Pomerene. Yes? Mr. Lee. For the raising of the State fund, with practical control in most of the States with the exception of the southern States. Senator Pomerene. And if they succeed in raising more money than is contemplated by the national quota Mr. Lee. For State purposes? Senator Pomerene. Yes. Mr. Lee. We have not any control over that, sir. Senator Pomerene. And if they do raise it neither you nor Mr. Hays are going to scold the local committee very much, are you? Mr. Lee. It is not in our power to do that, sir. Senator Pomerene. And the same is true as to the county or- ganizations in the several States ; is that not true ? Mr. Lee. They are practically autonomous within their counties, and under the State committee. Senator Pomerene. How is that? Mr. Lee. We have no control over the county organizations ; no, sir. Senator Pomerene. No. And you do not seek to exercise it ? I PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2253 JVIr. Lee. We have control over our county and State Avays and mejins committees. Senator Pomerexe. Yes. Mr. Lee. But not of the campaign committee. Senator Pomekene. And in any State, if any set of distinguished gentlemen, for what they regard to be the public good, should see fit to act independently of the National and State committees, they could do that, too, could they not, in the raising of funds or ex- pending them? Mr. Lee. They could raise funds, but they could not expend them through our national treasurer. Senator Pomerene. No, no, not through your national treasurer, but they could expend them themselves ? Mr. Lee. Of course, we do not have any control over that. That is an American citizen's own proposition. Senator Pomerene. They could do that by way of advertising, by way of furnishing speakers, and in the countless ways wdiich are familiar to the public, in an attempt to influence public opinion ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. That is all. The Chairman. That could be done, of course, with any political party ? Mr. Lee. Certainly. The Chairman. Democrats as well as Republicans? Mr. Lee. Certainly. The Chairman. And the Farmer-Labor Party? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. The Chairman. If some man wants to take his team and go out and Avork all day for the Democratic or Republican Party, there really is not any way of stopping him ? Mr. Lee. I understand there is a campaign fund up here in the Northwest noAv The Chairman. You say there is a campaign fund? Mr. Lee. I understand so. I do not know positively. The Chairman. Of what? Mr. Lee. I have heard $4,000,000. The Chairman. You have heard $4,000,000? Mr. Lee. I heard that the Non-Partisan League got a $4,000,000 campaign fund. The Chairman. The Non-Partisan League? Mr. Lee. I have not any more idea of it than that. It Avas just simply a report. The Chairman. Who was their treasurer, do you know ? Mr. Lee. I do not know anything about it at all. The Chairman. Of course, we do not Avant rumors, but if you can give us any leads in that direction Mr. Lee. I have not any leads at all. The Chairman. But you have understood they had a campaign fund of $4,000,000? Mr. Lee. I ha\^e heard so. The Chairman. Where are their headquarters ? 182774— 20— PT 15 11 2254 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Lee. I have not any idea. I do not know anything about the organization personally, because I have been in the Middle West only a short time. The Chairman. You get that from matters you hear in traveling around the country? Mr. Lee, I have not been through that country, no, but I heard it some place. Senator Spencer. The only quotas you fix are State quotas, are they not? Mr. Lee. That is all. Senator Spencer. You have nothing to do with the city or county quotas ? Mr. Lee. No, sir. Senator Spencer. When you make an estimate of what you think you ought to get from a State, the State can raise it as they like among the counties and cities. You have no connection with that? Mr. Lee. No; no connection with that. Senator Spencer. Of course, as Senator Pomerene indicated, in a local situation any city or county could raise for the city or county purposes aii}^ amount it liked? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Spencer. If Phoenix, Ariz., wanted to raise $10,000,000 for city matters, there would be nothing in the world you could do to prevent that? Mr. Lee. No, sir. Senator Spencer. If Wyoming wanted to raise $100,000,000 for a State campaign, you could not prevent it ? Mr. Lee. No. sir. Senator Spencer. But you have a definite quota for the Kepub- lican national campaign, and that quota is $3,079,000? Mr. Lee. As against a definite budget. Senator Spencer. That quota, I say, is $3,079,000 for the Repub- lican national campaign? Mr. Lee. You are speaking of budget. That is your budget. Senator Spencer. And when that budget is raised, your work is through ? Mr. Lee. Our work is through. Senator Reed. Now, the witness has not said that. Senator. The Chairman. If Tammany Hall had raised $10,000,000 to use in the New York campaign, would there be any way of stopping them ? Mr. Lee. Not that I know of. The Chairman. Should there not be some way of stopping these different organizations from raising large sums of money to use in a national campaign? How are you ever going to get an effective corrupt-practice act unless some method is devised to stop that ? Mr. Lee. I think that power rests with the Government. Senator Spencer. Well, do you see any way? Mr. Lee. I do not see any way. Senator Spencer. Because, of course, an amount that is raised by Phoenix, Ariz., or by Tammany Hall in New York, in a sense af- fects your presidential campaign. While it is local money, raised in a local campaign, the election occurs at the same time and the activi- ties have a direct reference to the presidential activities. Do you see any way to prevent the raising of local moneys? PRESIDENTIAL, CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2255 Mr. Lee. I do not. The Chairman. There could be some method, could there not, by which the use of money, except through regularly authorized com- mittees, could be prohibited, could there not? Mr. Lee. I do not know that ; I am not enough of a lawyer to tell about that. The Chairman. Well, we are trying to find some remedy. Mr. Lee. Some remedy ; yes. I think it is essential. The Chair3ian. What? Mr. Lee. I think it is essential, and would be a healthy thing for the Nation. Senator Spencer. Keally, the only check in communities is what experience teaches that communities do and what the individual interest of party partisans upon one side or the other in that com- munity warrants them in giving; is that not right? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Mr. Lee, I was not here when you began your testi- mony, and I may ask you some questions that w^ere asked before; but if I do it, I do not do it intentionally. Where is your jurisdiction now? Mr. Lee. In 23 States, as divisional director, with headquarters here in Chicago. Senator Reed. Do they embrace Tennessee? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Who is your man in Tennessee? Mr. Lee. You mean the State chairnum? C. H. Houston is the State chairman, with headquarters at Chattanooga. Senator Reed. Who is Mr. Garrison? Mr. Lee. F. H. Garrison — he came with the organization early in July, and I think at Nashville — he was assigned to Memphis for a little Avhile, and then he went into Alabama as State director for Alabama. Senator Reed. Now, when was he at Memphis? Mr. Lee. Along about the middle or latter part of July, or a little later on. Senator Reed. How long did he stay there before going to Nash- ville? Mr. Lee. He was only there a week, I think, or 10 days, or some- thing of that kind. He was a man who was traveling around. Senator Reed. How long did he stay in Nashville? Mr. Lee. Well, he had been in Nashville — I think he was located in Nashville, and was doing special work there before he came with us. Senator Reed. Well, was he doing special work for the national committee in gathering this money? Mr. Lee. No. He started — he was starting in with the setting up of the organization there, or the committee — not the organization — such as we have been thinking and talking about in terms here, and then he was sent over to Memphis, and finally from Memphis to Birmingham. Senator Reed. Now, who is in Knoxville? Senator Lee. Tennessee was in charge of C. F. Taylor, for a short time, as State director. He was given a special traveling commis- I .2256 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. sion to start with. He was the man AA'ho was mentioned by Mr. McClure yesterday or the day before. Senator Reed. C. F. Taylor ? Mr. Lee. Yes, Senator Reed. Who has Chattanooga? Mr. Lee. And he has charge of that, and under him was a Mr. MacCormac. Senator Reed. Well, who has Chattanooga? Mr. Lee. Mr, MacCormac has, under Mr. Houston, Chattanooga and Knoxville, and he is now at the present time cleaning up the Avork in Tennessee as State director. The other men have been taken out of the region. Senator Reed. Has somebody else been sent in ? Mr. Lee. No, sir. Senator Reed. Have you a man by the name of Patten working now ? Mr. Lee. Patten? Senator Reed. R. E. Patten. Mr. Lee. No, sir. Senator Reed. Was there such a man working for the national committee or in connection with this compaign fund? Mr. Lee. Not to my knowledge. He is not connected with the treasurer's office. Senator Reed. Well, did you have a man named Patchell? Mr. Lee. No; your leads are very wrong there. Mr. Patchell is in New York. J. J. Patchell is Senator Reed. Well, that may be wrong. Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. But I. am asking you a question. Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. There is such a man working for the committee? Mr. Lee. J. J. Patchell, under Col. Thompson, of New York City. Senator Reed. If you are trying to figure out what I have got before me, your leads may be wrong, too. Mr. Lee. That is all right. Senator Reed. Now, you have a man named Morton MacCormac? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And he is in Tennessee, is he not? Mr. Lee. He is in Tennessee now ; yes, sir. Senator Reed. And how long ago was he sent there? Mr. Lee. When did he go there ? Senator Reed. Yes. Mr. Lee. I do not remember the exact date, but sometime in July, Senator, I think. Senator Reed. He went to Chattanooga about the 19th day of July ; did he not ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir — I do not know about whether it was the 19th or not, but sometime in July. I do not remember the exact date. Senator Reed. Well, possibly that. And he left there about the 21st, did he not? Mr. Lee. He had been in the field, and had been movmg back and forth day after day between two or three centers, sometimes in Chattanooga, sometimes in Knoxville, and sometimes in Nashville. PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2257 Senator Reed. Xow, as a matter of fact, Tennessee had been di- vided into how many districts? Mr. Lee. It has l3een divided into — well, not in the way of dis- tricts. It has been divided into coimt}^ organizations. Mr. Houston has divided them. Senator Reed. Yes; but have you not districted it? Of course, you have got county organizations. Mr. Lee. County organizations. Senator Reed. You ordinarily have four districts, do you not? Mr. Lee. Xo. Senator Reed. I do not mean ordinarily; I mean in this case. Mr. Lee. No; not in the way of districts. We have men assigned to centers. Senator Reed. All right. Mr. Lee. MacCormac is in Chattanooga and Knoxville, as head- quarters, taking care of eastern Tennessee Senator Reed. Yes ? Mr. Lee (continuing) . And Memphis — thinking in terms of cities ; taking, care of western Tennessee. Senator Reed. Yes. So that these two men covered the four cities of Chattanooga, Knoxville, Nashville, and Memphis? Mr. Lee. Yes. Garrison was in there for a few days, but went out of there, and there was another man in there for two or three to a town, and calling together a number of prominent Republican business men? Was that their method of organizing? Mr. Lee. On the general plan, but not on the intensive plan that has been presented here. Senator Reed. On a general plan ? Mr. Lee. Just simply a small committee. Senator Reed. Now, I believe you have already said that in addi- tion to Morton MacCormac, you had two other men in Tennessee. Mr. Lee. Yes ; but they were in for two or three daj^s, helping with the work Avhere the other people had been stopped; they were just in and out of there for two or three days. Senator Reed. Do 3^ou know how much they undertook to raise in Knoxville ? (Xo response.) Senator Reed. Well, it was $10,000, was it not ? Mr. Lee. yes, sir, approximately that ; $10,000 or $12,000. Senator Reed. That is, Knoxville had been assessed, and that was Knoxville's quota? Mr. Lee. It had been assessed by Mr. Houston, State chairman; yes, sir. Senator Reed. Do you know whether, as a matter of fact, jour agent there undertook to collect more than that, to raise more than that, increasing their quota to $15,000? Mr. Lee. He is still in Knoxville, and his work is not completed 3^et. Senator Reed. He is still there ? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. But the quota that he has assigned to that city is $15,000? days. sy follow the method of going 2258 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Lee. Not that he has assigned. Mr. Houston assigned it. Senator Keed. Well, it is $15,000, is it not? Mr. Lee. I understand it is ; yes, sir. Senator Eeed. What is the name of the man you just mentioned? Houston ? Mr. Lee. Houston. Mr. Houston lives in Chattanooga, and he is the State chairman of the Tennessee ways and means committee. Senator Eeed. Now, do you know what the population of Knox- ville is ? Mr. Lee. I could not tell you, sir. Senator Keed. Do you know what its population is as compared with Chattanooga? Mr. Lee. No. Senator Keed. Or Memphis, I mean, as to which is the larger? Mr. Lee. I think probably Memphis is the larger city, yes. Senator Keed. Memphis is larger than Knoxville? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Keed. Very well. And this gentleman is still down there, Mr. MacCormac? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Keed. Trying to raise money? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Keed. Now, I have spoken to you about the quotas for Knoxville. Do you know what the quota is for Memphis? Mr. Lee. Well, my recollection is that it was $10,000. Senator Keed. $10,000 from Memphis to be raised? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Keed. But how do you know what the quota is? This $10,000 is the amount you expect to get there ? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Keed. But what is the quota assigned there ? Mr. Lee. Their method — they are not fixing any terms, especially in the Southern States. Senator Keed. $10,000 for Knoxville, and $10,000 for Memphis? Do you not think you are mistaken about that? Is not Memphis larger than Knoxville? Mr. Lee. No. Senator Keed. Knoxville was $15,000 and Memphis $10,000? Mr. Lee. I think Knoxville was $15,000 and Chattanooga $15,000, and Nashville either $10,000 or $15,000, and Memphis $10,000.^ That is the outside — that is, thinking in terms. Mr. Houston is thinking in those terms. Senator Keed. Well, you have $50,000 for the State of Tennessee ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Keed. I think it was turned in here at $10,000. Mr. Lee. All right, but I said $10,000 for the national fund. That is Tennessee's quota. Senator Keed. Tennessee's quota for the national fund? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. They are raising their State fund there. That is a combination fund. Senator Keed. But the quota that these four men of yours are try- ing to collect is $60,000 from the four cities ? Mv. Lee. I think it may be $100,000, with the other counties prob- ably — counting in the counties. PRESIDEIirTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2259 Senator Eeed. $100,000? Mr. Lee. Yes; but that is State money. We have nothing to do with that. Senator Eeed. But the men that the national committee sends down there are staying there and helping to raise the whole $100,000? ^Ir. Lee. All right. That is under the State plan, and under the arrangement with Mr. Upham. Senator Keed. Now, what is the arrangement as to the division of the total amount of money raised in that State? Mr. Lee. I imagine that all that money goes back into the State for State purposes. Senator Reed. You imagine it? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. Do you know it? Mr. Lee. I do not know that. Mr. Upham can tell you. Senator Reed. Then we are to understand, are we, that the national committee goes into a State, undertakes the organization and the work of raising $100,000, and only takes $10,000 for itself, and turns the other $90,000 over to the State organization? That is the way we are to understand it, is it? Mr. Lee. Whatever it is. You found the division in the other States that our men have been in, aiding the State committee for the State fund. Senator Reed. So that the amount of it is this, that your organiza- tion goes into Tennessee, organizes the State, raises $100,000, and $10,000 of it goes to the national committee, and $90,000 of it goes to the State committee, and then you make a joint fight down there to carry Tennessee. Mr. Lee. Well, I do not know anything about the political end of it. Senator Reed. You do not know anything about that ? Mr. Lee. I do not know anything about the $100,000 particularly. I said it might be $100,000. Senator Reed. Have you been making the same effort in some other Southern States to get some money? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. You sent your man down to Birmingham, did you not? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. How much did jon tell him to get down in Bir- mingham ? Mr. Lee. $25,000. Senator Reed. In that one city? Mr. Lee. That is the Alabama quota, which we concentrated on Birmingham for. Senator Reed. There are other cities in Alabama, are there not ? Mr. Lee. They are too far South for an attempt to get Republican money. Senator Reed. Do you know a man named McPike ? Mr. Lee. I do not know him personally, no ; but he is one of our western men. He is temporarily in California. Senator Reed. Southern California? Mr. Lee. Southern California, with headquarters at San Diego. Senator Reed. He was there about the 16th of August, was he not? 2260 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Lp]E. Approximately, I think. I think he has been off of our pay loll for three Aveeks or so. Senator Keed. You wrote to him about that time, did 3^ou not ? Mr. Lee. Possibly I corresponded with him a few times. Senator Reed. VVliere do you keep the copies of the letters that you Avrite? Mr. Lee. Copies of letters, T think, should be in our files. Senator Keed. Please get me that letter, or that copy. Mr. Lee. I might have written him several letters. I do not re- member exactly. Senator Reed. Well, you get me the copy of the letter of about that date, in which you cliscussecl the question of Mr. Lee. About August 16 ? Senator Reed. About that date. Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. In which you discussed the fact that recent events had thrown your plan for California into the discard. That is not the exact language, but that is the idea. You remember that letter, do you not? Mr. Lee. No ; I would not remember it. I am handling 23 States, through telegrams and correspondence every day. Senator Reed. You remember, do you not, writing about the con- gressional investigation? How? Mr. Lee. Not particularly; no. Senator Reed. Not particularly? Mr. Lee. No. Senator Reed. Well, do you remember it generally? Mr. Lee. No ; not even in a general way ; I do not remember what I wrote him about that. I will be glad to get that. Senator Reed. I want all of the letters you wrote him during the month of August. Mr. Lee. I will be very glad to furnish them to you. Senator Reed. How long will it take you to go over and get them ? The Chairman. He can bring them in in the morning. Senator Reed. Well, can 3^011 not put another witness on? The Chairman. Is Mr. Woodford here, of Cleveland? Appar- ently he is not. Senator Reed. Well, Mr. Lee, please bring in that correspondence. The Chairman. How long will it take you to go through the cor- respondence file, and find that? Mr. Lee. I will have to call for the filing clerk to go into that. In fact, I will have to call for the file and go through it myself, because I could not depend upon the filing clerk there for something special in there. The Chairman. Can you phone over and ask the filing clerk to find these particular letters, and then go on with the testimony ? Mr. Lee. I can do that. Senator Reed. This is the principal thing I am on. I do not in- tend to go over the other ground again. Get me a letter of July 27, addressed to a man named Garrison. Mr. Lee. I have got a copy of that right here, if you want it. Is this one of the copies you refer to [indicating] ? The Chairman. Maybe you have the other letter that the Senator wants, too. i PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2261 Mr. Lee. No, that extract was not published in the paper. I could have had it here just as well as not* of course. Senator Reed. You brought that one because it had been pub- lished in the paper? Mr. Lee. Because Senator Reed. Because it was already known ? Mr. Lee. Already known Senator Reed. Well, bring us some of those that are not already J^nown. Mr. Lee. All right. The Chaieman. Do you know the date of the letter he wants? Mr. Lee. August 16. Senator Reed. Well, they are all letters you wrote to that gentle- man during the month of August. Mr. Lee. All right. Senator Reed. That is what I want. Mr. Lee. All right. Senator Reed. And I think with those I will be ready to ask just a few questions. I su£rgest that you get them, because I can not examine about letters that are not here. The Chairman. And will you conclude, then? Senator Reed. So far as I know now, that is my intention. The Chairman. Mr. Lee, do you suppose you can get those within 20 minutes or half an hour? Mr. Lee. Oh, easily. The Chairman. Well, do that, then. (Witness temporarily excused.) The Chairman. Now, is Mr. Woodford here? Are there any other witnesses here who have been subpoenaed, who have not been heard? Mr. Moore. I am ready to go on again, Mr. Chairman, any time the committee wants, FURTHER TESTIMONY OF MR. EDMOND H. MOORE. The Avitness, previously sworn, was recalled. The Chairman. Now, Avhile we are willing to hear from you, we do not want to hear speeches. Mr. MooRE. If you will not ask me anything that calls for a jpeech, you will notice I will not give you any, because I did not this morning, and you did not call for any. The Chatrinian. Well, if you have telegrams, and matters of that kind, that suggest leads, give them to the committee. Mr. MooRE. I will simply call your attention to them, so that the record will show what telegrams they are, without reading them, or anything of that kind. I will be very glad to do that. The Chairman. In other words, let us keep as close as we can to the rides of evidence. We can not keep to them entirely, but let us do the best we can. Mr. MooRE. I will be very glad to. I think that is an excellent sugirestion. Senator Reed. How lone: will that continue to last, now? The Chairman, Well, it will last until to-morrew night. Mr. MooRE. First, Senator, is a letter — if I may just have the letter back — from the United States district attorney in Arkansas 2262 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. calling attention to the newspaper reports showing that $83,000 was collected in Arkansas. The Chairman. What does our testimony show on that? I think it shows $32,000. Mr. Moore. No, between $25,000 and $30,000. I am just calling at- tention to that, because the quota that was named, in Mr. Upham's statement, I think it was, was something like $15,000. The Chairman. Mr. Moore, I have letters that have been sent to me about — — Mr. MooRE (interrupting). This gives the dates of the newspapers. The Chairman. Let me finish. Mr. Moore. Yes. The Chairman (continuing). And I will bd very glad to show them to you privately, from Texas and other States, about large con- tributions to the Democrats, but they are simply letters. Mr. Moore. Well, I am calling your attention to suggestions here, so as to get the facts. Senator Reed. Noav, stick to the rules of evidence, gentlemen. The Chairman. You want to do that now, do you ? Senator Reed. That is what you announced. The Chairman. All right, we will do that now, and see where we will get. Mr. Moore. Now, here is one on Tennessee, but I understand that Mr. Lee agreed that the quotas there are as they are stated here. This is on that, Senator, if you desire to call anybody. There is a quota, and here is the statement. Now, I want to see what the Seattle quota was. Perhaps there is no difference. The Chairman. Spokane? Mr. ^.iOORE. Spokane was $20,000 in there. The whole amount was $224,000, as shown, in the State, but Spokane was $20,000, and the telegram said it had been reduced to $17,000, so I do not believe there is much difference about that. The Chairman, xlardlv enough to warrant bringing anybody from Spokane. Mr. MooRE. No. Here is a telegram from Florida, claiming it is two and a half times the amount stated. Here are the authori- ties there, pretty reputable gentlemen. The Chairman. This is somebody in Tennessee telegraphing about Florida? ... Mr. MooRE. Yes, sir, but it is the Commercial Appeal, the biggest newspaper in that section. The Chairman. W^ell, that does not make it any mOre truthful than if it were a small paper. Mr. MooRE. Well, but it gives you the name of a man from whom you can find out, Mr. Cohn, who appears to be a paid agent of the committee in that section, that is all. I desire simply to suggest the name of Mr. Cohn to the committee, if you desire to call him. The Chairman. Of where ? Mr. MooRE. You Avill have to find out from the national committee. He is the man who has been working- in Florida. The Chairman. Kohn, K-o-h-n? Mr. MooRE. No, C-o-h-n. ' - Senator Spencer. You siiggest the name of a man in Florida, which was given to you by a man in Tennessee, and all you know PRESIDE^^TIAL CAMPAIGlSr EXPENSES. 2268 about the man in Florida is that his name is given to you, and his residence, and his initials you want us to get from the national com- mittee ? Mr. MooRE. Yes, because you are investigating. The man I spoke of is a man in Tennessee, Mr. Mahoney, of the Commercial Appeal, whom everybody knows to be a man of high repute. Of course, I do not i^now The Chairman. You see, if Senator Reed insists on the strict rules of evidence, we can not pav an^^ attention to that. Mr. MooRE. I am not asking you to pay any attention to it, except as a suggestion that you may investigate, to show that the increase in quotas has been continued throughout the United States. In view of the number of subscriptions to which my attention has been called, from Hawaii, I will have to present — it has not reached me yet — the Republican Star Bulletin, a Republican newspaper of Honolulu, in which this telegram from Mr. Wilson, of Honolulu, says — this cable- gram — that they have set their quota at $100,000, as stated in the Honolulu Star Bulletin of June 25, a Republican newspaper-. I think that Avould be sufficient authority to investigate, if there would be any question about Honolulu, which I notice is not stated. The Chairman. Do you think the committee ought to go to Hono- lulu? Mr. Moore. No, but you are investigating this Senator Reed. No, they ought to do it right here. Mr. Moore. May I suggest that you are investigating these tre- mendous funds talked of. The Chairman. Have we some quota for Honolulu? Senator Reed. I do not think we have, but there are numerous sub- scriptions. Mr. MooRE. From Hawaii? Senator Reed. Yes. Nobody out there subscribed less than $100, as near as I can figure it out. I suggest we ought to get from the national committee that information, if that is true. The Chairman. Yes ; I think that can be done. Mr. MooRE. Now, I called the attention of the committee the other day to a telegram from a gentleman in South Dakota, who said that the quota, in place of being $7,500, as stated by Mr. Upham — and I looked, so I might not misquote him ; I verified the newspaper state- ment by going to his testimony — in place of being $7,500, it was $25,000. Senator Reed. You say, instead of being $7,500, it was $25,000? Mr. MooRE. In place of being $7,500, it was $25,000, in South Dakota. I offer that as testimony. 1 he Chairman. Do you say as a lawyer that that is testimony? Mr. Moore. I think so. This says, " Republican national com- mittee; O. W. Coursey, special representative of the treasurer; Mitchell, S.^ Dak." Senator Spencer. What are you reading ? Mr. MooRE. A letter. Senator Spencer. To whom? Mr. Moore. Addressed to Hon. G. H. Harvey, county chairman, Fort Pierre, S. Dak. It is headed " Confidential. Republican national committee; O. W. Coursey, special representative of the treasurer." 2264 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. And it is signed, Senator. It is not a typewritten signature. It is a written signature, which says that the quota is $25,000, and it is addressed as a confidential letter. The Chairman. Well, I think, if that is this gentleman's signature, it would be testimony, and would be admissible. Mr. Moore. Yes. Senator Spencer. If that gentleman is an officer ; yes. Mr. MooRE. Well, I can only judge by the internal evidence it bears. Senator Reed. I think that is prima facie evidence. The Chairman. We will put it in the record. Senator Pomerene. Read it, so that we will get it all. (Letter read by Senator Pomerene is attached hereto.) [Confidential. Republican National Committee. Will H. Hays, chairman ; Clarence B. Miller, secretary ; Fred W. Upham, treasurer ; Reeves Schley, eastern treasurer ; O. W. Coursey, special representative of the treasury.] Mitchell, S. Dak., July 2J, 1920. Hon G. H. Harvey, County Chairman, Fort Pierre, 8. Dak. Deapv Sir : The nntioiial jiiul State Reiniblicaii committees are putting on a joint campaign in South Dakota to raise $25,000. We need the money by Au- gust 1. Please see your leading republicans, including republican bankers, through- out your county at once, and secure their subscriptions. Find herewith some subscription cards. See that all checks are made pay- able to Fred W. Upham, and be sure to have a card filled out and attached to each check. Hoping that you will give this matter preference over everything for the next few days, and awaiting your early reply, I am. Yours, truly, (Signed) O. W. Coursey, Special Representative of the Treasurer. O. W. C. : B. Senator Keed. Down in the left-hand corner are the initials " O. W. C: B."; then " enc." I suppose the " O. W. C." is the dictator and " B." is the stenographer. If there is any question about it we should get " B." The Chairman. Just a minute. This is the joint campaign, the letter States. Now, *what was the quota for South Dakota for the national committee? Mr. MooRE. $7,500. The Chairman. A¥ell, was that a joint matter, do you understand, or that that was just the national committee? Mr. MooRE. That was just the national committee. Mr. Upham didn't give it as one of the States that has a joint ; but they may have had a joint. The. Chairman. Mr. Moore, this seems to be the joint campaign fori the State and national. J Mr. MooRE. It might be. J The Chairman. It would not be inconsistent ? 1 Mr. MooRE. It might be. | Senator Reed. Except it changes — and I am not saying this now to criticise Mr. Upham — but if Mr. Upham did not include this as one of the States in which a joint fund should be raised, it now ap- pears that it ought to be classified as one of those States, and that the total amount to be raised is $25,000, of which, as far as we have any PEESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2265 evidence, ST.500 would 2:0 to the national committee, and the balance would go to the State. Xow it changes the situation in that regard. The Chairmax. Well. I will have to look at his evidence to see. Mr. ^looRE. Here are some telegrams. Senator, that under the rules are not proper for me to read. The Chairman, Let us have them. Mr. ^fooRE. If they are correct, then it is a very important matter for you to investigate; from very prominent gentlemen in California, tending to show subscribing in large amounts, dividing up the sub- scriptions. The Chair3ian. We will keep these telegrams, unless you want them. Mr. Moore. I would like the telegrams. If you will take the names so that you will have them for the purpose of further investigation and then let me have the telegrams. Senator Edge. We can have coj^ies of them made and then have the telegrams returned to you. Mr. ]\IooRE. I would like to investigate that. Gov. Stephens is in the East. And you can investigate Mr. Dockweiler's statement. It appears in the Los Angeles Times and also in the Examiner, which is the Hearst paper. The files of the Hearst papers here will show whether that statement was correct or not. And if it was it might be worth while to subpoena Gov. Stephens before he returns to the West. The Chairman. Mr. Moore, is it possible for 3^ou to have copies of these telegrams made and sent to us? Mr. ^Ioore. Yes, sir; I will be very glad to do that. Xow. if you will continue your examination — here are two statements relative to the quotas for Bloomington. Senator Eeed. What was it. Mr. ^loore ? Mr. Moore. Here are two statements relative to the quotas for Bloomington — that is. McLean County, rather — which has a popula- tion of about 70,000, and has a quota that is said to be 30,000. And Alton's quota is said to be 20,000. And it says that the meeting was held at Mineral Springs Hotel, at which the amount was raised. Mr. William L. Sauvage had charge of it. Senator Pomerene. Well, it was promised that there would be sent to us the quotas for each of the counties. Senator Reed. Have you anything else ? ^Ir. ^looRE. Yes: the list, as I have it, gives no quota for Xew Mexico. This claim from the State chairman there is that Ralph Twitchell of Santa Fe has been appointed by the Republican na- tional committee as finance representative for Xew Mexico: that the quota is $10,000. and that he has been appointed to collect it. That may or may not be true. The Chairman. Well, will you furnish us with a copy of that telegram ? Mr. MooRE. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Whose jurisdiction is that under? Mr. Moore. That is under Mr. Lee. He perhaps can tell us about that when he comes in. The Chairman. Well, let us have the telegram and then we will ask him about that when he comes on the stand. 2266 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Pomerene. I think I asked him about New Mexico. The Chairman. These telegrams do not go into the record. Senator Pomerene. No; he has not got charge of New Mexico. Mr. Moore. Who— Ralph Twitchell? Senator Pomerene. No ; Mr. Lee. Mr. Moore. No ; he has not. Senator Pomerene. I haven't got any memorandum of him. Mr. Moore. Here is a news item — telegraphic communication, appearing in the Manchester Union — with which I guess . you are familiar, giving the name of the representative who charged that the amount was $75,000 in New Hampshire in place of $5,000, as it was in the list. Senator Spencer. Sent as a newspaper clipping? Mr. Moore. Yes; giving the agent of the Republican Party — and it is a Republican newspaper — and it gives the report of the Repub- lican convention, in which the agent stated it was $75,000. The Chairman. You are putting this into the record as a state- ment of fact, doing something that we said Mr. MooRE. I am just calling attention to the article, and I am giving the authority for it. The Chairman. You should hand it to us. It ought not to go into the record until we decide what to do with it. Mr. MooRE. Is Kansas under Mr. Lee's jurisdiction? Senator Spencer. No. The Chairman. What are you waiting for ? Mr. Moore. I am comparing what Mr. Lee has testified to. Has he returned ? If I am not mistaken, Mr. Lee testified that Memphis was $10,000, Nashville $10;000, and Knoxville, Tenn., was $15,000. The Chairman. Well, I was out then. Senator Spencer. I didn't take the amounts, but Tennessee was in his district. Mr. Moore. Yes ; Tennessee. I think he testified to that. That is all, save one circular letter that I am looking for, before Mr. Lee returns. Might I ask your stenographers to copy these telegrams and then have them returned to me ? The Chairman. Yes ; but they are not to go into the record. Mr. MooRE. I would be very glad to have them go in the record, but that would be violating the rules. The Chairman. Mr. Moore, Mr. Lee is here now. We will have him take the stand. Mr. Lee. Mr. MooRE. Yes. I have a letter, a circular letter, that I want to submit to you later. (Witness excused.) ; FURTHEE TESTIMONY OF MR. C. W. LEE. Senator Reed. Did you find the letter I asked you to get? ^ Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Will you let me see it? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. This is all the correspondence of H. G. McPike | in our files. Senator Reed. You have produced here the copy of a letter of August 25, which you wrote to Mr. H. G. McPike? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2267 Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Eeed. I desire to read it in evidence [reading] : August 23, 1920. Mr. H. G. McPiKE, 1521 Wehster Street, Oakland, Calif. Xo^Y, I will stop long enough to ask you who Mr. McPike was, Mr! Lee? Mr. Lee. Mr. McPike was one of the field directors connected with the southern California division, and he was practically only in our employ about three weeks, and part of that time, was assigned to San Diego County, with San Diego as the headquarters. Senator Reed. He Avas in your employ on August 23, when you wrote him this letter? Mr. Lee. That was his home, in Oakland, Calif., and he had re- turned from — he had been ordered from the field, and closed his • work in San Diego, and had gone home. Senator Reed. I will continue reading the letter : My Dear Mr. McPike : I want to acknowledge receipt of your faYOr of August 17, coYering memorandunis of your expense account and inclosing stenographic fees for $9 under date of August 16. I am checking up the balance of the ex- pense account and will send it through to the accounting department for payment. You nnist realize that in the conduct of a l)ig national campaign, congressional Investigation is made, one phase of which is already under \\ay, and it is essen- tial to haA'e Youchei's properly executed for all expenditures. A small memo- i-andum from field directors is not sufiicient. However, I think I have straight- ened your account out all right and passed it on with my O. K. I note the statement that San Diego is sendnig $7,000 in tY'o or three install- ments, which is approximately 50 per cent of the quota levied against the county, and that no part of this is to be returned to the county. A memorandum has been sent througli to the auditor general covering this matter, although at this time we haA e not received any remittance from th.at county. Wf' hiive all hoped that the poi)uhir campaign would be continued during Sep- tember and October, but certain matters came up in the national committee where- by all our plans along popular lines have been thrown in the discard. This has meant a quick retrenchment of our field personnel for which all of us regret, but drastic measures had to be taken at this time. I want to take this opportunity of thanking you for the work you have done for the treasurer's office, and hope all your undertakings in the future will be successful. With best v/ishes for your continued success, I am, Yours, very truly, , Divisional Director. P. S. — We will keep in touch with G. A. Davidson, president Southern Trust & Commerce Bank. I know Mr. Davidson personally, and if he does not come through quickly, will send him a wire. C. W. Lee. Now, there are two matters referred to in this letter about which I want to ask a question or two. I am quoting : " We have all hoped that the popular campaign would be continued during Sep- tember and October." What was that popular campaign? Mr. Lee. Mr. Blair referred to it yesterday, and you wdll find it in his testimony. The Chairman. Mr. who? Mr. Lee. Mr. Blair. It is in his testimony, if you will remember, on carrying out the popular idea of working, of organizing clear down to the precinct, which was thrown into the discard. Senator Reed. And that was to be intensified — according to this circular that was to be gotten into full force along early in Sep- tember ? 2268 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Lee. It would be. That is, in the organization plans of it; yes, sir. Senator Reed. Yes. And when was it you were notified that that l^lan w^as thrown in the discard? How long before you wrote this letter of August 23 ? Mr. Lee. Well, I should imagine, possibly, between the 10th and 15th of August. Senator Keed. Could you fix that a little more accurately? Mr. Lee. No; I don't think so, Senator, because it was — a series of conferences was held over a period of time on that, in which the organization plan developed, and which- was presented to the na- tional committee in New York later on. Senator Reed. Who was present at these conferences; this series of conferences? Mr. Lee. Why, our headquarters staff. Senator Reed. Well, who constitutes that? Mr. Lee. Well, Mr. Blair, probably, part of the time; Mr. Owen; Mr. Thomson; Mr. McKeand, who has been referred to here; Mr. Quarles. Senator Reed. Where were the meetings held? Mr. Lee. At headquarters here. Senator Reed. When was the first one held? Mr. Lee. I couldn't tell you that. Some time the latter part of July or early in August. Senator Reed. When did you finally determine that the plan would be abandoned? ^ Mr. Lee. That was the determination reached by the national com- mittee in New York. Senator Reed. When? Mr. Lee. We had two meetings ; I think one in New York and one at Chicago. Senator Reed. When w^as that? Mr. Lee. Some time, I think, between August 10 and 15 ; some time or other. Senator Reed. When was the conclusion finally announced, so that you got it? Mr. Lee. I imagine. Senator, about the 15th of August. It may have been a little bit later than that, because — it must have been a little later than that. Senator Reed. Is there any way that you can fix that definitely ? Mr. Lee. I can by reference to our files, or, probably, if I can ask one or two of my associates in a general way. My correspondence would not carrj^ that. Senator Reed. Now^ what was the thing — what were the certain matters which came up in the national committee whereby " all our plans along popular lines had been thrown into the discard." What w^ere those matters? Mr. Lee. Mr. Blair, who is closer in touch with that than I am, could possibly tell you. I am not in touch with the committee as such, yoii see. Senator Reed. Blair would carry that? Mr. Lee. He spoke of that and gave you the outline of it in his testimony. PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSED. 2269 Senator Reed. Well, Mr. Blair did not tell us the plan was abandoned. Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Yes ; he was very, very definite in that. Senator Eeed. Well, at least I am very sure he did not tell us why it had been abandoned. Mr. Lej. Well, he told you about certain reasons. He told of the matter^ t\iat '>Secause he could not have the release upon the seven Eastern States. Senator Reed. Because he couldn't have the release Mr. Lee. The release of the seven Eastern States, because Col. Thompson would not release seven Eastern States the popular plan idea was abandoned from those headquarters. Senator Reed. I remember he did make such a statement as that. Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. But I can not understand from that statement why the plan should not have been carried on in the other States. Mr. Lee. Well, you interrogated him on that very point, several times, why it could not be done in the several States, or the 25 States. Senator Reed. Well, you, in your capacity here as one of the workers, did not see any reason why you could not go on in your ter- ritory ? Mr. Lee. Yes; a very definite reason, because from a campaign standpoint it would be perfect folly to do it without making it a nation-wide movement in these Southern States. Senator Reed. Why would it be impossible to carry it on in the State of California, although there might be a different plan in New York and Delaware? Mr. Lee. Well, the State of California has been set up in a semi- intensive way, clear down to the townships, and they have been work- ing there ; they have had paper committees since the 1st of January. Senator Reed. Why wouldn't it be possible to carry it on in any one of the Western States, or Central States, although they might have a different plan in New York and Delaware ? Mr. Lee. Because this was not along the line of a budget-pro- ducing campaign. That was along the line of a propaganda cam- paign, with sufficient funds that would carry through to prac- tically pay for the expenses of the campaign ; in other words, if you would think of it in terms of the dollar basis. Senator Reed. Weren't you going to raise money ? Mr. Lee. Yes; raise money. Senator Reed. All these circulars Mr. Lee. The raising of money was an incident, a tying in with what might be termed the publicity or propaganda plan. Senator Reed. All these circulars, all this literature, every refer- ence we have to it, is a reference to it as a money-raising device, and it was put in the money-raising department, not in the propaganda department. Now, isn't it a fact that you pulled in your horns and abandoned this intense campaign that you had planned, just about the time you learned that the investigation was going on, and there began to be criticism of the vast fund that was to be collected? Mr. Lee. Nothing whatever to do with it. Senator Reed, Didn't it happen just about the same time? 182774— 20— PT 15 12 2270 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Lee. Well, I don't remember the date of your investigation, but that never entered our minds; in fact I never thought of it, I never heard it discussed. Senator Reed. Isn't this the excuse, that you couldn't conduct a campaign in California because you were not permitted to conduct one in Delaware, a mere fiction Mr. Lee. No. Senator Reed (continuing). That was set up by somebody, not by you, of course, as the reason? Mr. Lee. No, sir. Senator Reed. Anyway, the action was not taken until after the Cox charges had been made, was it? Mr. Lee. When were the Cox charges made? I don't remember the date. Senator Reed. You are the author of this letter, aren't you, which I hand you [handing Mr. Lee a carbon copy of letter of July 23, 1920, to Mr. F. A. Garrison] ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. That was written to Garrison, who was your agent in Tennessee ? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir; Memphis, at that time. Senator Reed. I want to read that into the record : Republican National Committee, Teeasukee's Office, 111 West Washington Steeet — And it has the names also of Mr. Hays, Mr. Miller, Mr. TJpham, Mr. Schley, and Harry M. Blair, assistant to the treasurer — Chicago, July 23, 1920. Mr, F. A. Gareison, Hotel Chisca, Memphis, Tenn. My Deae Me. Gaerison — You may want to listen to this letter. Senator [addressing the chairman] — As I wired you in answer to yonr recent letters, I have tried to follow out your suggestions regarding the division of the State. No word as yet has been received from Taylor in reference to the situation in eastern Tennessee, but I am looking for a wire later on in the day. I have been wondering if you will get any reaction from the paragraph in Senator Harding's speech of acceptance, which covers the enfranchisement of the Negro. We, of course, do not want to discuss this phase of the situation, but I would like to be advised if this stirs up any antagonistic sentiments in the Southern States. This is a paragraph intended as a sop to the voters of the central western industrial States. I think you will be able to clean up Memphis and Madison County in a very few days. Our response to the present type of campaign all over the country is splendid and an organization is being effected that shows that the States and cities are cooperating in good shape. Keep an eye on Birmingham, because there is where the real money lies, and we do not want to lose sight of the fact that if we are going to secure this money, we must establish a small organization there very soon. Did you ever get a report about the reaction? Mr. Lee. No ; that fell very dead, Senator. The Chairman. Were you authorized to speak for Senator Hard- ing? Mr. Lee. Not in the least. That was simply a personal paragraph to a field man in a personal letter. Senator Reed. What you were interested in was getting the money, and you were a little fearful that this speech of Senator Harding's PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2271 about the Negro might alienate the affection of some southern pros- pects, weren't you, and therefore you Mr. Lee. Mr. McCkire had told you the story on the Georgia situa- tion here the other day. Senator Reed. That is the reason I am introducing it, because I assumed that you thought it might injure your money-getting chances. Now, did it injure them, or did you get the money? Mr. Lee. No ; the Georgia situation — we didn't get the money ; no. Senator Reed. You are getting it, though, aren't you ? Mr. Lee. No, sir; v>e have stopped our work in Birmingham. Senator Reed. Oh, when did you stop in Birmingham ? Mr. Lee. We stopped two weeks ago. Senator Reed. Why did you stop ? Mr. Lee. Simply because it w^as not producing, and we pull men right quickly out of a field, especially a southern field, if it is not producing. Senator Reed. Did the Negro question Mr. Lee. Not in the least. Senator Reed. Did the Negro cause cut any figure? Mr. Lee. Not in the least. I Senator Reed. That is all. i Senator Spencer. A¥hat is the date of your letter to McPike; do you remember? Mr. Lee. I don't remember the date of it. I Senator Spencer. Just look at the letter. Senator Reed has it. I Mr. Lee. August 23. P Senator Spencer. Do you remember how long before the date of that letter the plan had been abandoned? Mr. Lee. Why, I should say 10 days or so. You see, McPike was a field man, and I was familiar with San Diego, and in one or two instances because of that I took it up with him by wire, and this is closing his account. Senator Spencer. That is, then, the plan had been abandoned at least 10 days before that letter? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Spencer. Perhaps longer? Mr. Lee. Perhaps longer. Senator Spencer. And then it even did antedate the time of Gov. Cox's so-called charges, didn't it? Mr. Lee. Yes ; they had nothing whatever to do with that. Senator Spencer. They w^ere made, I think, first on August 17; I think about that some time. Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Spencer. That is all. Senator Reed. There are two telegrams here that I want to read in evidence ; they Avere introduced by Mr. Lee. This one is a copy of a telegram. It is dated Chicago, 111., August 6, 1920. H. G. McPike, Hotel St. Ja?nes, San Diego, Calif.: Am now coverin.e: Pacilic States from my desk. PersoDally interviewed .John D. Spreckles and group of San Diego business men in May, so understand ' conditions there. Have you set up your committee and are they working? That money should come through quickly. Advise by wire progress and exact con- ditions. C. W. Lee, Divisional Director. 2272 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. You had seen Mr. John D. Spreckles, as this telegram states? Mr. Lee. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. About money? Mr. Lee. About raising San Diego's quota ; yes sir. Senator Reed. Did he undertake the work ? Interest himself in it ? Mr. Lee. Why, just in a nominal way; he turned it over to Mr. G. A. Davidson ; you read his name, G. A. Davidson, Senator Reed. Did the money come through quickly? Mr. Lee. Why, we have had about $5,000 from there; $5,300; something like that. Senator Reed. Yes. Mr. Lee. Their whole total was $7,000. Senator Reed. Now to that you got this answer from McPike, did you not— or else your telegram was in answer to this — I don't know which: San Diego, Calif., August 6, 1920. C. W. Lee, 111 West Washington Street, Chicago, III: Delay here caused by Spreckles absence first two weeks. Conmiittee of 14 now formed and all working-. Spreckles again out of town for week. Luncheon of 100 Monday. Hope to finish then. Five thousand reported so far. Most people here not willing support national committee. Will secure full quota, but will take a little longer. H. G. McPiKE, Special Representative. That is the telegram that you answered? Mr. Lee. The answer is on top; you read the answer first, that is all. Senator Reed. Yes; I read the answer first. Then there is an- other telegram of August 7 addressed to you : Spreckles would not make donation until after he returns from San Francisco next week. Can not start money, as he has same locked up until return. Will furnish next week, but not until latter part. 1 guess that is " finish next week." a Mr. Lee. Probably. ^ Senator Reed. Now, that was dated the 7th of August. Of course that week is passed. Have they finished up the quota for that town? Mr. Lee. Oh, yes; that has been finished. Senator Reed. You have got the full quota? Mr. Lee. We haven't had the full quota, but they have practicalb completed it; yes. Senator Reed. They have? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. Mr. Spreckles came back and came across, and thai finished it up? Mr. Lee. I imagine he gave a subscription for a thousand dollars^ but I have not seen it. If he did it it is in the record. Senator Reed. Now, Mr. Lee, have you had anything to do in an^ way with collections in Honolulu, the getting of money from Honon lulu? Mr. Lee. No, sir. Senator Reed. Who has had charge of that? The Hawaiiai Islands ? Mr. Lee. I don't know. The Hawaiian Islands are on our list^ but I don't know. They never came up. PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2273 Senator Keed. You know there are a large number of subscrip- tions ? Mr. Lee. I noticed on our financial sheets that we have had some returns from there. Senator Eeed. Did you have in your quota sheet the Hawaiian Islands indicated? Mr. Lee. I don't remember whether they are indicated or not. They are not on this quota sheet ; no, sir. Senator Reed. Have you a quota sheet there? Mr. Lee. This is a copy of Mr. Upham's quota sheet, the same as you have. Senator Reed. Oh, that he just gave us? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. The Hawaiian Islands are not on there? Mr. Lee. No. Senator Reed. So whatever you got from the Hawaiian Islands would have to be added to that, wouldn't it ? Mr. Lee. Yes, it would. Senator Reed. So you would be getting a pretty large number of thousand dollar subscriptions there? Mr. Lee. The record shows there. My impression is that there are fifteen or twenty thousand dollars there. Senator Reed. Most of the large sugar men out there contributed ? Mr. Lee. I haven't the least idea. I haven't seen that list. Senator Reed. Did you have a quota sheet handed to you from these Western States? Mr. Lee. Those quotas have all been established before I took charge of the Western States. Senator Reed. And therefore you were given a sheet, Averen't you ? Mr. Lee. Xo ; I was not given a sheet at all. Senator Reed. Well, weren't you given a list, a statement of what the quota was from each State? Mr. Lee. Yes, from our records, but there is no question of the sheet ; in fact, I haven't seen the quota sheet. Senator Reed. Well, in what form was it then in the record? Was it in a book? Mr. Lee. No ; we have — our files show the quotas of each State in the State file, with certain memorandums there that carry out the history of the j)rogress of the campaign, and my first information for the other States, with the exception of California, with which I w^as fairly familiar, with southern California, that I had in my head, was from those records, they were on those records there. /: Senator Reed. Very Well. Now, what was the quota of Cali- fornia ? /? Mr. Lee. $200,000. f Senator Reed. $200,000. What was the quota for SanTrancisco ? Mr. Lee. San Francisco as such had no special quota, as near as I can remember. I was not familiar with the division of counties of northern California. I Avas in southern California for a short time. Senator Reed. Now, the whole State was $200,000,? Mr. Lee. The whole State was $200,000. Senator Reed. Was that raised afterwards? Mr. Lee. It has not been raised. 2274 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Eeed. Was it to be raised by the local men up there like the other quotas ? Mr. Lee. Yes ; but it has not been raised yet. Senator Eeed. But I mean was the amount raised, was it boosted ? Mr. Lee. Yes; they took their State quotas just the same as you have heard here, on down the line. Senator Keed. They took their State quotas and boosted them? Mr. Lee. They took their State quotas and boosted them ; yes. Senator Reed. Now, what did they finally boost them to ? Mr. Lee. I think about double. Senator Reed. Now, among other places where you have some one specially assigned, is in San Francisco ? Mr. Lee. Yes ; he is closing up his campaign. Senator Reed. Do you know what quota he has fixed for San Fran- cisco ? Mr. Lee. No. I think he has spotted it at $100,000. Senator Reed. San Francisco and Oakland ? Mr. Lee. San Francisco and Oakland; yes. Senator Reed. Now, you have another man down in Los Angeles? Mr. Lee. We have another man down in Los Angeles. Senator Reed. In Los Angeles ? Mr. Lee. He is director for southern California, handling the whole Senator Reed. Noav, I will use you term " spotted." He has spotted your quota for Los Angeles ? Mr. Lee. Los Angeles County was spotted at $75,000; the whole of soutliern California at $115,000. Senator Reed. Yes ; Los Angeles at $75,000 ? Mr. Lee. And the balance for southern California. Senator Reed. And San Francisco at $100,000? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. Which is within $25,000 of the total amount fixed for the whole State ? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. Now southern California, outside of Los Angeles, is on the boosted quota fixed at $115,000? Mr. Lee. No; that is all of southern California, outside of Los Angeles, is $115,000 to $120,000. Senator Reed. Haven't they been boosting it down there, the local men? Mr. Lee. They have not been boosting, because it has been a good, stiff, hard campaigning job, and they have been at it since January. Senator Reed. They " raised " their quotas, just like they did in the cities, didn't they ? Mr. Lee. A few of the counties have cleaned up very nicely. Senator Reed. I am using the term in the sense of "boosting." When I say " raised " their quota, I don't mean collected the money, I mean raised the size of the quota. Mr. Lee. Yes ; the Republican central committee for southern Cali- fornia made its own estimates on the counties, and carried them right through down the line, the same process that has been explained here a dozen times. Senator Reed. That is, they follow this process of boosting the estimate ? PKESIDENTIAL, CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2275 Mr. Lee. Yes, sir, for what they expected to get. Senator Reed. And trying to raise the full quota that you all had assigned to California ? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. And as much more as they could get ? Mr. Lee. I think, Senator, it is a question of the law of averages. It has not been brought out here quite fully enough, that there are a number of States where the campaigns for funds have been closed, where they have fallen short of their quotas that have been assigned to them by Mr. Upham, and that in other States where they would go over their quotas that would help make up, under the law of aver- ages, the whole balance of what we are trying to get. Senator Reed. But there is not a single State where they are not still trying to raise money ? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. There are some? Mr. Lee. Yes, quite a number of them. Washington has stopped. Oregon has stopped. Utah has stopped. Idaho has stopped. Wyoming has stopped. The only Western States that are running now are Arizona and California. Senator Reed. Now the Western States that stopped, how near did they come to their quotas ? Mr. Lee. Oregon's quota was $25,000 ; they raised $21,000. Wash- ington's quota was $60,000; they have raised $30,000. We hope to get the full quota for Washington. Senator Reed. Exactly. Mr. Lee. All right. Idaho's quota was $15,000; they have raised less than $5,000, and they have stopped. Senator Reed. And you hope to get the balance of it ? Mr. Lee. No ; we do not. Senator Reed. Isn't there a committee now in existence in that State still trying to get money ? Mr. Lee. No, sir; they have not been trying to get money. Senator Reed. Whether it is from your organization or the State organization ? Mr. Lee. The State organization may be trying to get money for their own State campaign, over which we have no control. Senator Reed. All right. There is $10,000 lost. Mr. Lee. Utah has stopped. Senator Reed. How much did you raise there? Mr. Lee. Something like $11,000. Senator Reed. And how much was their quota? Mr. Lee. I think it was twenty-one or twenty-five thousand dol- lars. Senator Reed. All right. Mr. Lee. Arizona is the only State that is operating now, and they did not start until Senator Reed. You do not assess them very much? Mr. Lee. No; $15,000, I think. Senator Reed. Now, this law of averages when you apply it to these small States, does not cut much figure, does it ? Mr. Lee. No. But there are some of the larger States that are not operating, too. 2276 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. Well, have you withdrawn from any one of the large States? Mr. Lee. There is no work in Minnesota. Senator Reed. What is the matter with Minnesota? Mr, Lee. Mr. Blair told you and Mr. Upham told you that there are some internal matters that are going to make it not possible to go into the State ; that is all. You see, we can not go and force our- selves upon them. We can not do that. And we have not been able to force ourselves on the States. Senator Reed. What was the quota assigned to Minnesota ? Mr. Lee. $50,000. Senator Reed. Did you get anything at all from Minnesota? Mr. Lee. No, I don't think — nominally nothing. Maybe a few hundred dollars, or something like that. Senator Reed. I wish you would tell me what the trouble is up there, and what kept you out of the whole State ? Mr. Lee. I don't think I could go into the history of it very well, only I know we have not been able to operate in Minnesota. Senator Reed. Now, what other large State? Mr. Lee. Of course the Southern States are only in a nominal way, but they have all been cut down. For instance, on this quota sheet there will be twenty to twenty-two thousand dollars shy in Alabama. Senator Spencer. Did you stop work in Alabama ? Mr. Lee. Yes. And in Georgia we had practically $6,000. We won't get any more out of it. That makes another $20,000. Senator Reed. The statement says that there is $11,000 down there of good money. Mr. Lee. Where is it ? Your statement shows there is only $6,000 that has come in ; there is ten or eleven thousand dollars in pledges there which can not be collected. Senator Reed. Have you stopped working in Georgia ? Mr. Lee. Yes. Senator Reed. The statement was made that they were good, up- right men that you selected down there to get the money. Mr. Lee. McClure Senator Reed. That they are nearly all good. Mr. Lee. Well, I hope so. Very well, I hope they are. Senator Reed. And you are extending then, on the other hand, into other States that you did not have quotas for, and you are getting money from them ? Mr. Lee. Where? Senator Reed. New Mexico. Mr. Lee. New Mexico had a quota. Senator Reed. Did it? Mr. Lee. I think so. " To the State, $10,000 " ; yes, sir. Senator Reed. Was it quotaed at $10,000 ? Mr. Lee. It was not quotaed in this line, no, but over there it was. Senator Reed. But you didn't get any money from them ? Mr. Lee. Very little. Senator Reed. We won't go into an argument on that. The Chairman. Well, is it in the quota ? Mr. Lee. It is on this side, the $10,000 to the State, but it was not considered as a quota. d PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2277 Senator Reed. They were going to send money to the State, and they have been getting money from the State ; that is the difference. Senator Spencek. As a matter of fact, was there any money gotten from Hawaii, from Honolulu? Mr. Lee. I think there are some few thousand dollars. Senator Spencer. Now, I notice these two books which appear to be the collections up to a few days ago. I see nothing from Honolulu or Hawaii. Senator Reed. Now you are mistaken. Senator. I have found item after item. Senator Spencer. Well, let us find them. Mr. Lee. Well, it is on your record. Senator Spencer. If you have got them they are there ; they are on these two books. Mr. Lee. Well, I am not familiar. Senator Spencer. Senator, did you find it in any one of those two books ? Senator Reed. Well, I have seen it ; I don't know how long it will take me to find it. The Chairman. Well, let us get through with this witness. Are you through with him. Senator ? Senator Reed. Yes. The Chairman. That is all. (Witness excused.) The Chairman. We will adjourn until 9.30 to-morrow morning. (Thereupon, at 6 p. m. Friday, September 10, 1920, an adjourn- ment was taken until 9.30 a. m. Saturday, September 11, 1920.) X 1% PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES HEARING BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON PKIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS UNITED STATES SENATE SIXTY-SIXTH CONGKESS SECOND SESSION PURSUANT TO S. RES. 357 A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS TO INVESTIGATE THE CAMPAIGN EXPENSES OF VARIOUS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES IN ALL POLITICAL PARTIES PART 16 Printed for th e use of the Committee on Privileges and Elections THE UBRAHY OF THE DEC 12 1331 UNIVERSITY OF iLUNOi: 182774 WASHINGTON GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 1920 • r COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS. WILLIAM P. DILLINGHAM, Vermont, Chairman. WILLIAM S. KENYON, Iowa. LAWRENCE Y. SHERMAN, Illinois. ALBERT B. FALL, New Mexico. PHILANDER C. KNOX, Pennsylvania. SELDEN P. SPENCER, Missouri. JAMES W. WADSWORTH, Jr., New York. JAMES E. WATSON, Indiana. WALTER E. EDGE, New Jersey. ATLEE POMERENE, Ohio. JAMES A. R-EED, Missouri. THOMAS J. WALSH, Montana. WILLIAM H. KING, Utah. JOSIAH O. WOLCOTT, Delaware. HENRY F. ASHURST, Arizona. Charles A. Webb, ClerJc. StTBCOMMITTEE ON S. RES. 357. WILLIAM S. KENYON, Chairman. SELDEN P. SPENCER. JAMBS A. REED. WALTER E. EDGE. ATLEE POMERENE. Charles A. Webb, Clerk. II CONTENTS. Page. Statement of — Frederick Courtenay Barber 2270 Caleb Enix 2288 Miss Eunice Coyne 2292 Miss Jessie Barchard 2308 Frederick Courtenay Barber (resumed) 2310 m PEESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 1920. United States Senate, Subcommittee on Privileges and Elections, Chicago^ III. The subcommittee met, pursuant to adjournment, at 9.30 o'clock a. m., in room 603, Federal Building, Senator William S. Kenyon, presiding. Present: Senators Kenyon (chairman), Reed, and Pomerene. TESTIMONY OF MR. FREDERICK COURTENAY BARBER. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. The Chairman. Give your full name to the reporter. Mr. Barber. Frederick Courtenay Barber. The Chairman. You are connected with the Republican organiza- tion in some way ? Mr. Barber. Director of the Chicago financial campaign. The Chairman. Where is your home ? Mr. Barber. New York. The Chairman. You were brought here for this particular pur- pose ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Have you had experience in these campaign drives ? Mr. Barber. Over 60 campaigns. The Chairman. Of what kinds? Mr. Barber. Fund raising, some for philanthropic purposes, some for civic purposes, some for commercial purposes. The Chairman. Now, just what has been your work here? Mr. Barber. First, organizing a volunteer corps to solicit subscrip- tions in Chicago and Cook County. Also superintending the com- pilation and revision of a card index list of probable contributors, making suggestions in regard to every detail of the campaign as a whole. There is a great mass of detail, sir, which naturally heads up in myself. The Chairman. Senator Reed. Senator Reed. How many names have you on this card index list ? Mr. Barber. My best estimate, sir, would be about 25,000. That may be a few thousand out of the way. Senator Reed. When you got up this card index list did you mark on the amount the prospect was supposed to give? Mr. Barber. No, sir; as a director of financial campaigns, I con- sider that as very bad psychology. 2279 2280 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGX EXPEXSES. Senator Reed. Bad what? Mr. Barber. Bad psychology to do that, sir. Senator Reed. Just what has piitting on a man's card the amount you think he will give got to do with psychology? Mr. Barber. Well, sir, it savors of indicating to a man Avhat he shall give. Senator Reed. Oh, you mean if you went in and carried it in to him, gave it to him. Mr. Barber. Well, he often sees it, Senator, he very often calls for it, and if he does, why the amount would be shown on it and he would see it. Senator Reed. Now tell us as to your organization. Mr. Barber. As to its make-up, sir, and all that sort of thing? Senator Reed. Yes. I don't mean the personal plan of organiza- tion. Mr. Barber. Well, there are seven divisions of volunteer workers, five of what I call the front line divisions, because they are the ones which operate more strictly in accordance with the card index list. There are others Senator Reed. What do the other two do that are not in the front line? Mr. Barber. The two others are to get the smaller subscriptions, and by reason of the fact that they will be seeing a great many people, ranging anywhere from $1 to $10 as prospects, it is not prac- ticable to equip them with prospect cards. It would run into hun- dreds of thousands, perhaps, if we tried to do that. Senator Reed. Now, you have got seven divisions? Mr. Barber. Yes. Senator Reed. You have a man at the head of each of those. Have you divided the town into seven divisions ? Mr. Barber. No, sir; I did not. Senator Reed. Do you divide the prospect cards among these seven divisions? Mr. Barber. My method, sir, is to have a business m.eeting which' we hold on Wednesday night, at which this card index list is sub- mitted to the front line divisions, and each volunteer worker chooses for himself the names of the prospects whom he wishes to approach. Senator Reed. Exactly. But I want to get at what you mean by seven divisions? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. The division in our campaign, I should say that the seven divisions must be averaging about 70 men a division. Some of them run as high as 120 men, and some run as low as per- haps 30 men. Senator Reed. Then you have approximately 500 men? Mr. Barber. We have approximately 500 men, at the latest report. Senator Reed. To aid you in the campaign. Now each of these divisions has a captain, has it? Mr. Barber. Each division, sir, has a chairman, a division chair- man. Senator Reed. Each division has a division chairman. And then that division chairman has under him Mr. Barber. Team captains. Senator Ref>d. A lot of teams, with team captains? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2281 Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. Senator Eeed. How many teams now will you have out ? Mr. Barber. I think there are about 45 or 50, sir. The organiza- tion is slightly fluid, and changes a little from day to day. But i should say approximately^ 45 to 50 teams. Senator Reed. Forty-five to 50 teams ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Now, you have f^ot of those names on cards approxi- mately 30,000 did you say, Mr. Barber ? Mr. Barber. I think 25,000 would be a nearer estimate, sir. Senator Reed. Twenty-five thousand. And these cards are sup- posed to contain the names of these contributors ? Mr. Barber. Of persons who, in my opinion, are the larger pros- pects ; yes, sir. Senator Reed. What do you think they would average ? Mr. Barber. Well, sir, to attain success, the average at the end of the campaign should be at least $50 per man, in a campaign of this size. Senator Reed. When this list of cards is arranged, then do you have it passed around, and do the team captains have the right to make selections in order, alternating with each other in some way ? Mr. Barber. Yes. not only the team captains, but also the members of the teams. Senator Reed. And also the members of the teams? Mr. Barber. Each man for himself. Senator Reed. So that in that way 3^ou make a sort of an equitable division between the teams ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir, as closely as possible; as nearly as possible. Senator Reed. Now, before you do that, do you take out a list of every large or promising prospect and turn that over to some other committee ? Mr. Barber. If this were a campaign, sir, without any maximum limit that would be done, for the purpose of getting the largest con- tributions, but in this campaign, since we have a thousand-dollar maximum limit, the preferred list has been compiled simply because it consists of men who should be approached by some older man than perhaps the average age of the team workers. Senator Reed. Well, there is a preferred list, then, and you turn that over to older men, although there is a limit? Mr. Barber. Yes, but it is preferred only as to the men who should approach those prospects. Senator Reed. Yes. Mr. Barber. Not from the money point of view, as it would be in an ordinary campaign which had no limit. Senator Reed. How many men have you crot on your preferred list ? Mr. Barber. My best estimate, sir, would be about 700 to 800. Senator Reed. As a matter of fact, doesn't that list of 700 to 800 embrace principally the capitalists of Chicago, who are Republicans? Mr. Barber. Not as capitalists, but as business men. Senator Reed. Well, I understand, not as capitalists ; you don't go after them as capitalists. Mr. Barber. No, sir. Senator Reed. Nor as Methodists nor as Baptists; but you go to them because they are men of large means ? 2282 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Barbek. Because they are men who could make a thousand- dollar contribution reasonably. Senator Reed. Now, how many men are there on that preferred list who could make a $1,000 contribution reasonably? Mr. Barber. Well, there are, I estimate, from TOO to 800 names, and I hope that our classification has been sufficiently accurate that at least 50 per cent of those names would be correctly estimated as being $1,000 possibilities. Of course not all those who can give do give. Senator Reed. Did you ever make an estimate — is there any kind of a paper anywhere with the sums marked on it that you think you ought to get from various men? Mr. Barber. Not as to any particular man. I hope that the men on that preferred list may be regarded as $1,000 prospects, but with that exception, sir, there is no assessment or estimate of amounts to be obtained from anybody. They are just in a general class. Senator Reed. Have you not classified these men so that the solici- tor who goes around has an idea given to him of about how much the man ought to give? Mr. Barber. I always tell the volunteer workers. Senator, that they will get better results if they consult their own fellow team members, or perhaps go a little higher up and consult the division chairman in arriving at an estimate of what would be a reasonable sum to expect from a man. Senator Reed. Well, have they done that ^ Mr. Barber. I hope they have, sir. Senator Reed. Now, do you know the aggregate of the amounts that they have thus arrived at? Mr. Barber. Well, of course they have all been instructed, sir, that $1,000 is the maximum. Senator Reed. No; I don't mean that. Of course $1,000 is the maximum, but A B is a man engaged in a certain business, and is supposed to have a certain standing or financial ability, and these team captains consult with each other or team members, and in order to know about what they ought to try and get from him they arrive at a sum in their own minds. Mr. Barber. They should do so in order to be effect Ia'c volunteer workers. Senator Reed. Do you know what the aggregate of that is ? Mr. Barber. No, sir. That would not be reported to me. Senator Reed. Now, you have seven divisions and 50 — how many teams ? Mr. Barber. I should say, sir, about 45 to 50. Senator Reed. Forty-five to 50 teams. How many members in the team? Mr. Barber. The teams should have, unless there has been some falling off in the last 24 hours, they should have a minimum of 10 members each, but some of them run from 10 to 12 or 13 members, in fact 1 is 14. Senator Reed. Have you a list of your team captains? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir ; but not with me. It is in my office. Senator Reed. Well, you are at the head; that is, you are the organizer ? m PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2283 " Mr. Barber. Well, the executive committee chairman is the titular ■ liead ; I am the organizer. Senator Reed. Now, who is the executive committee head? Mr. Barber. The executive committee head is Mr. Charles Piez. Senator Eeed. Mr. Charles Piez ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. What other officers are there? Plow many men are there of the executive committee ? Mr. Barber. My last count showed about 25. I think a few have been added in the last day or so, sir. Possibly as high as 30 by this time. Senator Reed. Have you a list of those men ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir; but — well, sir, I didn't know that you would want it. Senator Reed. You haven't got it with you ? Mr. Barber. No, sir. Senator Reed. Well, under this committee, then, in order to get the organization in a word, there are approximately 50 teams with their captains, 50 teams of from 10 to 15 members each? Mr. Barber. With this slight correction, sir, that the executive committee itself ranks as one of those seven divisions, and is not subdivided into teams. Senator Reed. Now, is the executive committee the body that takes this cream list, I will call it, this list of men that you want to be approached by older men ? Mr. Barber. It goes over that list, sir. and the names of prospects, prospects who, in that committee's opinion, should be approached by older men, probably will be approached by members of the executive committee. Senator Reed. Exactly. Mr. Barber. But that committee, sir, also will exercise its right to let some of those names go to the team captains and teams. Senator Reed. Exactly. But, in a general way, the plan is that the executive committee itself is goinsf to approach this list that I will call, for want of a better name, " Cream list "? Mr. Barber. Well, if you will permit me, sir, to correct that and say that in this particular campaign it is stretching it a little to call that a cream list. Senator Reed. Well, it is a list of men that you said every one of whom were able to give $1,000? Mr. Barber. I hope they are ; yes. Senator Reed. So it would be a pretty good sort of a list ; if it is not cream, it is at least half-and-half. Mr. Barber. Yes, sir ; I should say that. Senator Reed. Now, the executive committee consists of how many men, did you say — 25 ? Mr. Barber. Twenty-five to thirty. Senator Reed. Yes. I will ask you to bring us the names of the executive committee, of all the teams, of the team captains. Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And file it here before the day is over, if you please, sir. Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. 2284 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. You will do that ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir ; certainly. Senator Reed. Who was it, now, that secured your services? Who asked you to come here ? Mr. Barber. The first attempt to get me was a telegram from Mr. Henry E. Owen, running something in this way : ''Are you available " for a campaign ? " Senator Reed. When was that ? Mr. Barber. Toward the end of June. Senator Reed. This year ? Mr. Barber. Yes; when I was in Raleigh — Raleigh, N. C. Senator Reed. Available for a campaign to do what ? Mr. Barber. In Chicago, and for the Republican committee. Senator Reed. Are you a Republican ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Well, you replied that you were available? Mr. Barher. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Have you the telegram? Mr. Barber. x-Vlmost certainly -well, it is absolutely certainly in one of my files. Xow Vn hether that particular file has been brought to Chicago by my secretary 1 should not like to commit myself as saying, but I am almost sure it is, sir, here in Chicago, so I shall be very glad to bring it if you wish to see it. Senator Reed. Well, you have had other letters and telegrams, I suppose ? Mr. Barijer. I furtlier got- -either a telegram or telephone mes- sage asking me to meet Mr. Blair in New York. I think in my — I now recall that in my rei>ly to Mr. Owen I asked if it was desired that I should come to Chicago for a conference, and I believe that that was the first idea, and then it turned out that Mr. Blair prob- ably would be in New York, and it was a little more convenient for me to run up to New York from Raleigh than to come to Chicago. Senator Reed. When did you see Mr. Blair? ^ Mr. Barber. Almost the end of June. ■ Senator Reed. Of this year? m Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. I Senator Reed. Hov/ 'much money did he tell you at that time they intended to try and raise in Cook County? Mr. Barber'. $500,000. Senator Reed. When was it reduced from $700,000 in Cook County to $500,000? Mr. Barber. I have never known of any reduction from $700,000 to $500,000 for Cook County. The only ^official objective that has come within my knowledge has been the $500,000. Senator Reed. Wouldn't you from your experience regard it as rather ridiculous, if you were going to proceed on an equitable basis, to assess $400,000 to Cleveland, Ohio, and only $500,000 to Cook County, 111.? Mr. Barber. There would be so many elements. Senator, entering into that consideration, that it would be very hard for me to answer that as a hypothetical question. I am afraid, sir, that I would have to know all the facts before I could give you an intelligent opinion of it. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2285 Senator Eeed. Well, let us take into consideration the fact of the population and of wealth. Just let it go at that. Mr. Barbek. I beo^ your pardon, sir, is that a question? Senator Reed. Yes. Mr. Barber. The best answer I can make to that is that populr.- tion is only one of quite a number of factors. Senator Reed. I said population and wealth. Mr. Barber. Population and wealth— well, if you adhere strictly to population Senator Reed. I said population and wealth. Mr. Barber. Oh, I beg your pardon, sir. I didn't hear distinctly. Senator Reed. Yes: population and wealth. ^Ir. Barber. I dcm't know the comparative wealth as between Chi- cago and Cle\'eland, I will be frank to say. I don't know that. Senator Reed. You know it well enough to know that Chicago would naturally give about five or six times what Cleveland would': don't you know that i yiv. Barber. T have never had a campaign in Cleveland, sir. Senator Reed. Oh, well yh'. Barber. I am sorry that T would have to give you just a guess on that. Senator. Senator Reed. Oh. I thought I could get an answer to that ques- tion. Xever mind. It is immaterial. You never heard the amount $700,000 even mentioned for Chicago, did you ? Mr. Barber. I have, sir, heard it mentioned. Senator Reed. Where did you hear it mentioned? Mr. Barber. I can't remember, sir, with any degree of certainty which Avould Avarrant me in — — Senator Reed. Have you heard it mentioned around Republican headquarters ? Mr. Barber. Doubtless: yes. Senator Reed. When ? Mr. Bari^er. It seems. to me rather early in July. Senator Reed. Who did you talk with up at the Republican head- quarters ? Mr. Barber. Oh, almost everybody there at one time or another. Senator Reed. Well, whenever you talked about the $700,000? Mr. Barber. The best understanding I had was that $700,000. when I did hear it mentioned, was for a larger territory than Cook County. Senator Reed. How much? Mr. Barber. Whether the whole State, sir, I am not able to say. Senator Reed. Well, that was the best understanding ; but you did hear $700,000 talked about for Cook County, didn't you? Mr. Barber. I think so. Senator. Senator Reed. Yes. It was talked about a good deal, wasn't it ? Mr. Barber. It Avas put in the papers, wasn't it, by authorized statements going right out from headquarters? The Chairmax. Well, have you anything here to show as to whether authorized statements were put out ? Senator Reed. That is what I am trying to get at, sir, if he does know. 2286 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 'Mr. Barber. I don't know, sir, definitely, if this is the answer, that an authorized statement mentioning $700,000 issued from anybody in headquarters. I don't know anything about that. Senator Reed. You don't know it definitely. You put a good deal of emphasis on " know." Now, tell us what you know about that. Mr. Barber. I heard $700,000 mentioned casually once, perhaps twice. Senator Reed. Who by ? Mr. Barber. I am sorry, sir ; I am trying hard to remember, but I can not. Senator Reed. Blair? Mr. Barber. I can not say ; no. Senator Reed. Mr. Owen? The Chairman. Well, do you say you can not remember ? Mr. Barber. I would not say definitely. The Chairman. What is the idea of getting Senator Reed. I am trying to refresh his recollection. Mr. Barber. You see, I have had a great many talks in the last couple of months, and been pretty busy, sir. Senator Reed. How long do you expect this campaign to last here? Mr. Barber. One week, sir. Senator Reed. And in that length of time do you expect to raise this sum of money ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And suppose you go over that sum of money ? Mr. Barber. Then the instructions would have to come to me from some one in higher authority than myself as to what to do. Senator Reed. You have had team meetings, have you ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And they are going to go out from day to day and canvass, and then come in and have dinners and report, is that the plan? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Is this committee to report also, this executive com- mittee ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir: this committee reported yesterday with the others. Senator Reed. Well, do they report with the others ? Mr. Barber. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Now, there are tAvo teams that are to go out on tlie smaller prospects ; how many men are there on those teams ? Mr. Barber. Their organization has not yet been completed. Senator Reed. How many are there on those teams? What is your plan on that ? Mr. Barber. The plan of Division F, which is to cover Chicago and Oak Park, is for a division chairman, three cit}^ district chair- men covering the north, west, and south sides, a ward captain, at least one ward captain, in each ward, and at least two lieutenants in each precinct. Now, people who Senator Reed. How many people will that make ? Mr. Barber. People who know Chicago better than I do tell nie that we will need 2,200 men. | Senator Reed. Exactlv. Thank vou, I am glad we found thes^ 2,200. We had 500 a moment ago. ' I PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2287 Mr. Barber. Well, sir, that was the front-line division. You are asking about team organization. This is not a team organization. Division F is somewhat different from a team organization. Senator Eeed. Well, 2,200 men and 500 men : That is 2,700 men. Now, \^'hat is the plan of organization, then ? You say it is not to be done by teams. As to these two teams that are to go out generally, how do they meet, and how are the}^ organized ? Mr. Barber. They have had a few organization meetings, and Division F has gone as far as organizing, so my assistant has re- ported to me, most of its ward captains. Senator Reed. And then how about its precinct captains? Mr. Barber. They may have a few precinct men, sir, but they ha^e not gone very far along. That division, I neglected to explain, will most likely not swing into line as early as the others. Senator Reed. Well, the others are going to swing into line when ? Mr. Barber. The others, the front-line divisions, have swung into line. Senator Reed. Yes, and they are to complete their work in a week? Mr. Barber. Yes, but we don't count Saturdays and Sundays when we say a week. Senator Reed. You don't count Saturdays and Sundays when you say a week, but that will all be over in one week from to-day, be- cause they have been at work one day. Mr. Barber. AVell, we call seven business days a week. Senator Reed. Well, it will all be over by Monday. Mr. Barber. Yes, we expect it will be. Senator Reed. Now, the other crowd and that crowd, this front-line crowd, they are to get $500,000 ? Mr. Barber. No, sir; not them; no sir; thev are not to get the whole $500,000. Senator Reed. How much are they to get ? Mr. Barber. No exact allotment has been made in that case. Senator Reed. When are the other men to begin work, when are they to begin to organize? Mr. Barber. Toward the end of this campaign, sir. t- Senator Reed. Toward the end of the national campaign? Mr. Barber. Toward the end of the national campaign — no, not this national campaign; the end of the first campaign; not this na- tional campaign. Senator Reed. They are to begin about a week from to-day. Mr. Barber. About, sir May I explain that they are to begin about the time when the cards are exhausted, so they will not con- flict with the front line divisions which are operated with the card index system. Senator Reed. Exactly. Now are you sure that nobody up at your headquarters has put down on a piece of paper somewhere the amounts that are expected to be gotten, or that it is hoped to get, or that you think you ought to get from each of these prospects ? Mr. Barber. If they have done so, sir, they have ignored my sug- gestions. I have requested that nothing of that sort be done. I would consider it a good way to affront a prospect. Senator Reed. I don't mean that they would necessarily take it and tell the prospect; "We have got you down for $1,000," but 2288 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. whether for the information of your men, you have not put down on a piece of paper the fact that Prospect A'is able to pay $1,000? Mr. Barber. Well, excuse me, sir; the data about the prospect, what we call the prospect card will be found on one side of the card. On the other side is the pledge. Now to sign the pledge the man must necessarily take into his hand the card bearing liis name and address. Senator Reed. You have put it on a card. But I am asking you if there isn't any other paper or papers. Mr. Barber. Not to my knowledge, and if there is a paper of that kind it is a distinct violation of my method. Senator Reed. That is all I want to ask you now. The Chairman. That is all. Senator Pomerene. I have a question. I want to know about if there is a fund to be raised by the ladies. Senator Reed. Do you know anything about a fund that was to be raised by the ladies? Mr. Barber I have heard that there is a fund, but I know nothing except that. Senator Reed. That is in addition to the amount that you were to raise, whatever it is? Mr. Barber. I haven't heard where it Avas to be raised. Senator Reed. But it is not counted in as a part of your money that you are to raise? Mr. Barber. Even that has not been told to me. It may be that the chairman Avill decide to do that. Senator Reed. Yes. Now you haA^e all of Cook County? Mr. Barber. Yes. Senator Reed. You haA^e all of Cook County in your jurisdiction? Any of the other cities of Illinois? Mr. Barber. No, sir. Senator Reed. That is all. The Chairman. That is all. (Witness excused.) Senator Reed. Let us haA^e Mr. Enix, if he is here. TESTIMONY OF MR. CALEB ENIX. Tlie witness Avas duly SAVorn by the chairman. The Chairman. GiA^e your name to the reporter. a Mr. Enix. Caleb Enix. J The Chairman. Senator Reed. I Senator Reed. W^hat is your occupation or profession. 1 Mr. Enix. I am chief copy editor of the Chicago Daily NeAVS. I Senator Reed. What is that ? Mr. Enix. I am chief copy editor of the Chicago Daily NeAvs, part of the time assistant city editor, part of the time acting city editor ; about three jobs. Senator Reed. Did your paper receiA^e an authorized statement from the Republican headquarters Avith reference to the sum of money that it Avas proposed to raise in the city of Chicago ? Mr. Enix. We received several statements. Senator Reed. Well, I am going to ask you the question direct Avhether you receiA^ed a statement to be printed. Avhich named $750,000 as the amount to be raised in Cook County? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2289 Mr. Exix. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you receive it. Mr. Exix. Yes, I received it. Senator Keed. Where did you see it first? Mr. Exix. I saw it on my desk in the Daily News office. Senator Reed. Was it on the letterhead of the Republican national committee ? Mr. Exix. Yes, sir ; the Republican national committee. The Chairman. Where is the paper ? Mr. Exix. Sir? The Chairmax. Where is it? Mr. Exix. The paper? The Chairmax. The original paper. Mr. Exix. Why, it was cut up and rewritten, and fixed up a little bit to keep it from reading like the other papers. Senator Reed. It was cut up and rewritten and put in your paper ? Mr. Exix. The introductory paragraph, which we call the ''lead" was rewritten for verbiage. Senator Reed. For what ? Mr. Exix. Just for verbiage, just to change the verbiage. The introductory paragraph was reAvritten for that purpose. Senator Reed. f)id you print that article then in your paper. Mr. Exix. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Did you bring with you the copy of the article, Mr. Enix. Mr. Exix. No, sir ; I could not find it. Senator Pomerexe. Just a moment, please. I want to clear up a matter. In your answer to a previous question by Senator Reed I understood you referred to $750,000. That is, the question Avas so framed that his ansAver would indicate that it Avas $750,000. Now, I Avant to knoAV Avhether it Avas $750,000 or $700,000? Noav, the witness' ansAver Avas such that I am in doubt as to Avhich it Avas. Mr. Exix. $700,000. Senator Pomerexe. $700,000. Senator Reed. About when Avas that? Mr. Exix. That Avas the early part of August. Senator Reed. Noav, you saAA^ the article, the paper itself that came from the Republican national committee? Mr. Exix. Yes. Senator Reed. Was it on the letterhead of the Republican national committee ? Mr. Exix. It Avas not on the letterhead of the Republican national committee ; no, sir, but the envelope had that name on it. Senator Reed. The envelope? Mr. Exix. Yes. It was written on this " flimsy " paper that they use in their publicity work, but it comes in envelopes with the name printed on the euA^elope. Senator Reed. Yes. In other words, one of those sheets that is used generally for manifolding purposes? Mr. Exix. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Have you received other articles, Mr. Enix, that have come from them for publication? Mr. Exix. Oh, many of them. 2290 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. And this came in this same way as many other articles did ? Mr. Enix. Yes. The Chairman. Do you know who brought it there? Mr. Enix. No; I don't know whether it was delivered by a. mes- senger, or whether it came from the City Press automatic tube. The Chairman, Do you know whether some of your reporters brought it in? Mr. Enix. No ; I don't know whether any of our reporters brought it in, because it was placed on my desk. I was acting city editor at that time, and it was placed on my desk probably by an office boy, or the information bureau man, just as it is every day, all that copy. The Chairman. Just what did it say? Mr. Enix. It said that it was announced that day, I believe, or anyway, it said that a certain number of teams were going out to raise $700,000, the quota for Cook County, and told about how soon they were going to put it over the top, and that sort of thing. I don't remember exactly the whole thing. The Chairman. How many days was that? Mr. Enix. Six or eight weeks ago. The Chairman. Six or eight weeks ago? Mr. Enix. Yes. The Chairman. Are you connected with the Chicago Daily News now ? Mr. Enix. Yes, sir. The Chairman. The same position? Mr. Enix. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And that was published in the paper? Mr. Enix. Yes, sir. The Chairman. It did not apparently appear to be a secret, sinister matter at all ? Mr. Enix. Oh, no ; not at all. The Chairman. That is all. Senator Reed. Do you know whether that same article, or the substance of that same article, appeared in other Chicago papers about that time ? Mr. Enix. Well, I believe the Tribune had it the next morning, but I am not positive about it. I read it some place else, but I am not certain which paper. Senator Reed. That is all. The Chairman. That is all. Senator Reed. Thank you, Mr. Enix. If you run across that article in your paper will you kindly send it to us ; if you can not give us the file, will you kindly send us a copy of the article ? Mr. Enix. I can send you a copy. I can get a copy at Washing- ton Street. There is a place at 175 West Washington Street. The Chairman. Send it in if you can get it. Senator Reed. Do you remember the date? Mr. Enix. I think it was August 11. Senator Reed. Well now, I am asking you : You do keep files of your paper, do you not? Mr. Enix. Yes, sir. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2291 Senator Reed. If you don't find an extra printed copy, will you be so kind as to have a stenographer copy the article from your paper and send it to us, giving us the date of the paper. Mr. Exix. Do you want it to-day ? Senator Reed. What is that? Mr. Enix. Do you want me to get it for you to-day ? Senator Reed. Well, w^e would like to have it, if you can get it conveniently. If you can not get it, send it to Senator Kenyon or to myself. Mr. E^iix. Are you going to be in session all day? The Chairman, ^o, sir. Senator Reed. We will be in session so long as the Chairman's patience lasts. The Chairmax. The chairman is going to leave at 1.40 ; you v/ ill have to be here before that. Senator Reed. Well, Ave will get along. Senator Pomerene, you and I, fine. The Chairman. That is all. (Witness excused.) The Chairman. Are there any of these other Chicago witnesses here ? There were a few others attempted to be secured. Senator Reed. Who is here representing the national committee this morning? The Chairman. I don't know as there is anybody. Do you want any more witnesses? Senator Reed. I want a carbon copy of this article. They un- doubtedly have it. The Chairman. Well, you have asked this witness, Mr. Enix, to produce this article. Why isn't that sufficient? Senator Reed. Well, I want it to come from headquarters. I don't want 'it to be disputed. Now we asked another witness to be here. The Chairman. AVell, one Avitness Ave did not secure, that is Mr. Wrigley ; he is up at a lake. Senator Reed. No, we asked for the local man who is here with Mr. Barber ; the local man here in Chicago who was the head of this moA'ement with this expert that has testified here this morning. The Chairman. Who is that ? ^ Senator Reed. Charles Piez. m The Chairman. Is Mr. Piez here? I (No response.) The Chairman. Well, we will go ahead, is Mr. Woodford of CleA^eland here? ^ Senator Pomerene. Is Mr. Woodford of Cleveland here? f Senator Pomerene. Has he been here ? Does some one knoAV ? ' Senator Reed. Where is the Avitness that just left the stand? Senator Pomerene. Enix? Senator Reed. No, not Mr. Enix, the other gentleman, the expert from New York. The Chairman. Barber? Senator Reed. Mr. Barber. Has he gone? Has Mr. Barber left the room? Mr. Bailiff. Mr. Barber has gone after his papers. 182774— 20— PT 16 2 2292 PKESIDENTIAIi CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. He has gone after the papers you asked him for, Senator. Is Mr. Carroll here? The gentleman from New Jersey that we have been trying to get for three or four days? (No response.) Senator Reed. Let us send out and get Mr. Piez. He was sub- poenaed, wasn't he ? The Chairman. I don't know whether he was or not. Senator Reed. We asked for him yesterday, and I think you had him subpoenaed. The Chairman. I think I asked Mr. Hunt to subpoena him. I gave him the list. Senator Reed. Well, we should get him. The Chairman. Well, we are not going to subpoena any more wit- nesses. Senator Reed. But I want that particular witness. We will never get him again if we don't get him now. The Chairman. Well, if you can get him this morning. There are a couple of witnesses here from South Dakota. Senator Pomerene. All right, get them, and have the subpoena issued immediately for Mr. Piez. Senator Reed. You have some witnesses from South Dakota? The Chairman. Yes. Senator Reed. Well, let us go ahead with them. The Chairman. Is Miss Coyne, of South Dakota, here? TESTIMONY OF MISS EUNICE COYNE. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. The Chairman. Give your name to the reporter, please. Miss Coyne. Eunice Coyne. The Chairman. How do you spell your name ? Miss Coyne. E-u-n-i-c-e C-o-y-n-e. The Chairman. Your address? Miss Coyne. Aberdeen, S. Dak. The Chairman. How long have you lived in Aberdeen, Miss Coyne ? Miss Coyne. Why, Aberdeen has been my home at times since 1908^, but I have been there steadily since 1913. Senator Reed. I can't hear a single thing that you say. Miss Coyne. I will have to come a little nearer. Miss Coyne. That is too bad. Senator Pomerene. Where did you sa}^ you have been steadily since 1913? Miss Coyne. In Aberdeen, S. Dak. The Chairman. Can you not speak a little louder, please? Miss Coyne. I will try, sir. The Chairman. Does it frighten you to have Senator Reed sit up there? Miss Coyne. No. ^ Senator Reed. Not a bit. I really want to hear. The Chairman. Are you a reporter on a newspaper? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir; I am on the Aberdeen Daily News. The Chairman. Have you anything to do with the Aberdeen Daily American ? PRESIDENTIAL. CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2293 Miss CoYXE. Yes, sir; the papers are run in unison, and often stories I write for the Aberdeen Dail}^ News appear in the American. The Chairman. Xow, I don't know any thing- about your testi- mony, but I have been handed this Aberdeen Daily American Avith reference to the "bhickjack'' letter and a story by you. Miss Coyne. Yes. The Chairman. Xoaa^ this paper sets out the folloAA^ng : Saturday, September 4. 1920 — And this is AAdiat I Avant to ask you about. This is AA^th reference to the blackjack " letter — Below iy a verbatiiri copy of the letter, sijiiied by E. M. Waterl)iiry, of Ceuter- A'ille, Avho says he is acting for Clarence H. Mee, member of the State Democratic connnittee for Turner County, and said by Waterbiiry to be chairman of the budget committee, which letter was addressed to Miss Marion Armatront Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. The Chairman (continuing) : 828 South Third Street, and received iit her home. Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Do you knoAA^ her? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Is she here to-day? Miss Coyne. Xo, sir ; she is not. The Chairman (continuing) : Miss Armatrout is employed in tlie Internal Revenue Oflice in Aberdeen, and classed as a stenographer. Do you knoAA' that of A'Our OAvn knoAvledge? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. The Chairman (continuing) : She is under civil service. Do you knoAY that ? Miss Coyne. No ; I do not. The Chairman. Well, you knoAV she is employed there, do you? Miss Coyne. I understand that she is employed there, and that recently they all became ciA^l-service employees. That is not ab- solutely Senator Pomerene. When? Miss Coyne. I can not giA^e you the date. The Chairman. Well, it is your understanding of it that she is in the ciA'il service ? ^liss Coyne. Yes. The Chairman (reading) : The c()i)y. with the aflidavit of Miss Eunice Coyne — That is you ? Miss Coyne. Yes. The Chairman (continuing) : i-eporter for The Morning American, that it is a correct copy of the Armatrout letter, follows. ^liss Coyne. Yes, sir. Tlie Chairman. Did you see this letter? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. 2294 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGIs^ EXPEN'SES. The Chairmax. Did you cop}^ it? Miss Coyne. I copied it as I saw it; yes, sir. The Chairman. Have you the original of that letter? Miss Coyne. No ; I have not. The Chairman. How is that ? Miss Coyne. The original of that letter is, I believe, in the hands of Marion Armatrout. When I asked for it they refused to give it to me. Senator Eeed. Who refused? Miss Coyne. Miss Armatrout's mother. The Chairman. But you copied the letter ? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. The Chairman (continuing reading) : August 31. 1920. The Democratic national committee are I'aisin^- in this State a fund for campaign expenses, and those who are partaking in the benefits of ofiice are asked to assist. You are cordially requested to arrange this matter by calling at the Sherman Hotel, room 213, during the next three days. E. M. Waterbt'ry. The Chairman. You copied that letter ? Miss Coyne. Yes. The Chairman (continuing) : I hereby swear that the above letter is a verbatim copy of a letter addressed to Miss Marion Armatrout, 323 South Third Street, which I saw and copied this 3d day of September, 1920. Eunice Coyne. Witnesses : R. E. Mur.Lis, Albert Klabe. M. F. Bowler, Notary Public. My commission expires June 9, 1923. Was that a correct copy of that letter ? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir ; as I saw it. The Chairman. Now, then, did you start in as a newspaper re- porter to investigate that matter ? Miss Coyne. The story came to me at noon, and my first impres- sion of it was indignation, but later I worked on it as a news- paper reporter ; yes. The Chairman. This Miss Marion Armatrout is a friend of yours ? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. The Chairman, and you say you were indignant ? Miss Coyne. Well, the girls, when they first told me of the letter,] they told me of this request for funds. The Chairman. Now, you say " they." Who were they ? | Miss Coyne. The girls. The first girls that told me of that letter' were Miss Lida Young and Marion Kennedy. The Chairman. Now let us get this : Miss Licla Young ? Miss Coyne. Miss Lida Young. The Chairman. And Marion what? Miss Coyne. Marion Kennedy. The Chairman. Marion Kennedy ? Miss Coyne. Yes. The Chairman. Now, where was Miss Lida Young working? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGI^ EXPENSES. 2295 Miss Coyne. She is an employee — both girls are employees of the internal-revemie office. The Chairman. Both girls are employees of the internal-revenue office at Aberdeen ? Miss Coyne. Of the internal- revenue office at Aberdeen. The Chairman. Do you know what salaries they draw ? Miss Coyne. Lida draws, I know, $120. The Chairman. $120 a month. Do you know whether she sup- ports anybody on that — her mother or anybody ? Miss Coyne. I don't know ; no. The Chairman. What about Marion Kennedy ? Miss Coyne. Marion Kennedy I had just met when she told me of the letter. I don't know her very well. The Chairman. Do you know how much she is drawing? Miss Coyne. No ; I do not. I had heard later in the afternoon that a greater portion of the girls of the office, in fact most of them, were getting $120. The Chairman. Xow, these girls also received a letter similar to this one ? Miss Coyne. They did later. The Chairman. Now, do you know of other girls working .there who received these letters ? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir, I do. The Chairman. How many others? Miss Coyne. In the evening, in an attempt to get a letter I called on several of the girls. Among them were Miss bigrid Holland. The Chairman. Is she an emploj^ee of the Government ? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Civil service ? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Internal revenue ? Miss Coyne. Yes. The Chairman. Were all of these, now, that you are going to si)eak of employed by the internal revenue ? Miss Coyne. Yes. And Miss Jessie Barchard. The Chairman. What ? Miss Coyne. Miss Jessie Barchard. The Chairman. Where does she live ? Miss Coyne. She lives in Aberdeen also. The Chairman. She is here, isn't she ? Miss Coyne. I believe so ; yes. The Chairman. Any others? Miss Coyne. Any others ? The Chairman. Yes. Miss Coyne. I called on a Miss Grace Curtis, and I called on a Miss Ruth Kelly. The Chairman. Still employees ? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. Oh, that was the list of girls that I per- sonally talked to. Senator Reed. Mr. Chairman, let me interrupt you to ask if you can not have Mr. Blair called by telephone and ask him to come back a moment ? The Chairman. Yes. We have no secretary now. But we will have it done. Now, Miss Coyne, you said Miss Ruth Kelly? 2296 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. I want Mr. Blair to come, and I want him to bring a cop3^ of the article which was sent out to the newspapers outlining the amount of money and telling the story of the campaign that wa*s to be made in Chicago here— the one Mr. Enix referred to. Senator Pomerene. And supposed to be written in August. Senator Reed. Supposed to be written in August; yes. I want a copy of that from the publicity department. The Chairt^ian. And if he has any papers also referring to these letters in South Dakota written to working girls, let him bring tliem. Senator Reed. And if he isn't there, ask Mr. Quarles, of the pub- licity department, to come. The Chairman. Which do you prefer, letters sent to working girls or to millionaires ? Are there any more now of those working girls ? Miss Coyne. That I talked to that told me personally that they had letters ? The Chairman. Yes. Miss Coyne. No ; not that evening. The Chairman. So there seemed to be a general receipt of these letters b}^ the girl employees ? Miss Coyne. Yes. The Chairman. In the revenue bureau there ? Miss Coyne. They gave me the impression that they had all received them, or were to receive them. The Chairivian. Now, did they come — do you know Senator Reed. Wait a moment. " Or were to receive them ? " Miss Coyne. Yes, sir — a part of them — this happened on Friday, and a part of them had not received their letters up to that date. The Chairman. Well, did they receive them later, do you know? Miss Coyne. A few of the girls who had not received their let- ters on Friday I learned later had received their letters. The Chairman. So that either Friday or later they all received their letters? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir ; I believe so. The Chairman. Do you know how many girls were working there? Miss Coyne. Are working there? The Chairman. Yes. Miss Coyne. No ; I can not tell you how many. There are a num- ber; that is, upward of ^25, I believe. Senator Pomerene. How many? The Chairman. How many? 4 Miss Coyne. Two hundred and twenty-five, approximately ; in see- ing them in the office ; that is my idea that there are that many. The Chairman. Two hundred and twenty-five. How many did you talk with ? And who did you talk with ? Miss Coyne. I talked Avith Lida Young. The Chairman. Well, I wanted — go ahead. Miss Coyne. Marion Kennedy, Jessie Barchard, Bertha Dunne, Sigrid Holland. The Chairman. Grace Curtis? Miss Coyne. Grace Curtis. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSE? 2297 The Chairman. Ruth Kelly? Miss Coyne. Ruth Kelly. The Chairman. Do you remember any others ? Miss Coyne. Dorothy Smith, and she also received a letter. I heg your pardon, she is another one that told me of having received a letter. The Chairman. You don't know whether the other girls received letters or not, do you? Miss Coyne. The girls — one of the girls mentioned to me that they would all receive letters. The Chairman. Well, how did she knoAv ? Miss Coyne. She had evidently been informed — she didn't tell me this, but her mother told me that some one had told her, an officer of the office there, and there was some mix-up as to postage of these letters that I believe delayed the delivery of several of them. The Chairman. Were any of them special delivery ? Miss Coyne. I don't blieve so. The Chairman. Well, was there any list of the girls so that some of them were put down as better prospects than others ? Were some of these girls richer than the others, do you know ? Miss Coyne. I don't know. The Chairman. Or was there a " cream list " of these girls, those who could best afford to pay, or those who could not ? Miss Coyne. I don't know. The Chairman. You don't know whether some of them received the letters and some of them did not ? Miss Coyne. Well, Mr. Kenj^on, it is my impression that the girls who did receive their letters received their letters with 1 cent due on them. The Chairman. They had even to pay the postage in getting duns from the Democrats, did they ? Miss Coyne. Part of them; the letters Avere delivered to their homes, as I understand it. The Chairman. Delivered to their homes. That Avas to evade the law, I suppose ? Miss Coyne. And to Miss Sigrid Holland — oh, it was in conversa- tion with Sigrid Holland and Jessie Barchard; they told me that J. Walter Mee instructed Mr. Waterbury that if he would address them to " city " they would reach them, and I believe their registered ad- dress at the post office would be their home address, and that was hoAv they were delivered to them. The Chairivian. Do you knoAv whether these girls called at the Sherman Hotel, room 213, during the next few days, in response to Mr. Waterbury's letter? Miss Coyne. I have the information from Miss Lida Young and Miss Jessie Barchard that 13 girls called at 4.30 Friday evening at room 213, Sherman Hotel. The Chairman. Was that the ''ToAver" room of the Sherman Hotel? Miss Coyne. No. We haA^e three floors. The Chairman. You don't call it that. Thirteen girls called ? Miss Coyne. Thirteen girls called. The Chairman. All employees? 2298 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Miss Coyne. All employees. They went up in a group of girls. During the afternoon they formed this party. The Chairman. Now, who is Mr. Waterbury, do you know ? Miss Coyne. Mr. Waterbury? The Chairman. Yes. Miss Coyne. In the afternoon I talked to Mr. Waterbur3^ The Chairman. You did? Miss Coyne, l es. The Chairman. About this letter? Miss Coyne. Yes. Senator Reed. Well, who is he? The Chairman. VVell, she was probably going to find out who he was. Senator Reed. Well, I didn't mean to interrupt, but I just wanted to know who he was. The Chairman, (to on. Miss Coyne. He is from Centerville, C-e-n-t-e-r-y-i-l-l-e. Senator Pomerene. His first name I didn't get. Miss Coyne. Mr. Waterbury's first name is E. M. And I called him — in my conversation with the girls early in the afternoon — I thought perhaps there would be a story of the establishment of Democratic headquarters in Aberdeen of his visit, for they referred to this room in the hotel as the " headquarters," while I later under- stood it was just Mr. Waterbury's apartment — and i called Mr. Waterbury, and Mr. Waterbury denied to make any statement as to the establishment of headquarters, but told me he was there on Democratic business. The Chairman. Who did he say he represented ? Miss Coyne. He didn't tell me who he represented. Lida later said that he told the girls on their visit to the room he represented Mr. Mee, a Clarence Mee, also of Centerville. ] Senator Pomerene. I didn't get that last name. J Miss Coyne. M-e-e. ^ The Chairman. You were told that Mr. W aterbury told the girls that he represented Clarence Mee? Miss Coyne. Yes. Senator Pomerene. That he represented Clarence Mee? Miss Coyne. Yes. The Chairman. Represented Clarence Mee. Who is he, a member of the State Democratic Party? Miss Coyne. I believe he told these srirls that he was chairman of the Democratic budget committee of the State. Ihe Chairman. Mee was? Miss Coyne. Mee ; Clarence H. The Chairman. AVell, did the Democrats have a financial agent in the State and an organization up there ? Miss Coyne. I don't know. The Chairman. Well, what did you find out that Mr. Waterbury . wanted of these girls? Was it to raise their salaries? | Miss Coyne. No ; he didn't mention about salaries to them. I The Chairman. What did he want ? " ^liss Coyne. My information on their visit to the room at the Sher- man Hotel is based on the conversational testimony of Lida Young PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2299 and Miss Jessie Barchard and Sigrid Holland. Lida at dinner told me of their visit and said that it didn't last for any length of time. Senator Po^ierene. Well, now, let me suggest : I don't know that I am going to interpose an objection, but of course the Senator real- izes that that is not the way to get at The Chairman. Oh, that is true, but we have tried to bring here some of these young Avomen Senator Pomerene. Well, I understand some of these other young ladies are here now, Senator. The Chairman. Some of these other young ladies are here ; I think two of them are here. Senator Pomerene. So we can ask them. The Chairman. But I think this is as proper as a good deal of the testimony we have had in this hearing. Senator Reed. It probably involves as much as $25 or $30. The Chairman. What is that ? Senator Reed. I say it probably involves as much as $25 or $30. The Chairman. $25 or $30 from poor working girls is equal to $1,000 from these people you have been asking about. Senator Reed. It is not equal from its political effect, is it? The Chairman. It is worse in its infamy. Senator Reed. Oh, I agree with you. Senator, that in any way to levy a political assessment upon a girl working for the Govern- ment is absolutely inexcusable. The Chairman. I knew you would. Miss Coyne. I should say. Senator Pomerene. There can be no question about that. The Chairman. Go on with your story. Miss Coyne. Where do you want me to proceed from? The Chairman. Proceed from the point where you stopped. Miss Coyne. Perhaps they can tell me where I stopped. Senator Pomerene. Tell the way you got your information; what this other young lady told you ; this young lady Lida ; what she told you ? The Chairman. Yes ; tell what she told you. Miss Coyne. Lida ? Senator Pomerene. Yes. Miss Coyne. That the visit was short and that eight girls left the room after Mr. Waterbury's talk, while five remained and wrote checks, subscribing toward this budget. The Chairman. How much was wanted in the checks? Miss Coyne. $40. The Chairman. $40. Did they tell you it was any particular amount of their salary; any assessment on their salary? Miss Coyne. No. The Chairman. He just fixed it, he fixed the amount for them, did he? Senator Pomerene. Senator, make that clear. I assume she means $40 for each check ? The Chairman. Yes. Miss Coyne. No; not for each check. A lot of them wrote post- dated checks ; but $40 for each person. The Chairman. $40 for each person? 2300 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Miss Coyne, $40 for each person. The Chairman. Now, if they didn't have $40 then for the subscrip- tion, what did they do ? Miss Coyne. They post-dated their checks ; Miss Lida Young post- dated a check for October 1 and a second check for November 1. The Chairman. Did any of the others post-date their checks? Miss Coyne. I believe that Miss Jessie Barchard also did. Senator Reed. May I ask a question ? The Chairman. Yes. Senator Reed. Do you know whether this man who made this assess- ment is in the Government employ in any way ? Miss Coyne. Mr. Waterbury? Senator Reed. Yes. Miss Coyne. Personally I didn't learn, but I believe that another reporter working on the paper learned that he was not. Senator Pomerene. Was not, you say? Miss Coyne. That he was not an employee of the Government. The Chairman. He was, as you understand it, representing Mr. Miss Coyne. Mee. The Chairman. Mr. Clarence H. Mee ? Miss Coyne. I don't remember the second initial. The Chairman. Member of the State Democratic committee? Miss Coyne. Yes. Senator Reed. Now, let me ask again : Was this Clarence H. Mee in the Government employ ; do you know about that ? Miss Coyne. I am not acquainted with him. The Chairman. Did you talk to any of the higher officers of the revenue service there about this matter? Mr. Young, for instance? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir, I talked to Mr. Young. The Chairman. Who is Mr. Young ? Miss Coyne. He is the chief clerk of the internal revenue office. Senator Pomerene. His first name, please ? Miss Coyne. William Young. The Chairman. What was your talk with him ? Miss Coyne. My talk with him was with reference to the establish- ment of headquarters in the Sherman Hotel. He gave me the name of Mr. Waterbury and said that Democratic business was being trans- acted there. The Chairman. Where was he at the time ? Miss Coyne. Mr. Young? The Chairman. Yes. Miss Coyne. In his office. The Chairman. At the Federal Building? Miss Coyne. At the internal-revenue office. The Chairman. Who is the internal revenue collector ? Miss Coyne. J. Walter Mee. The Chairman. J. Walter Mee? Miss Coyne. Yes. The Chairman. Is he any relation to C. H. Mee ? Miss Coyne. He is the son. The Chairman. He is the son. Senator Reed. So the father of the revenue collector is out engaged in this delectable business? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2301 Miss Coyne. I understand so ; yes. The Chairman. That is the story. And Mr. Mee, the son of the father, who is running this affair, is the one who told you that the Democratic business was being transacted at the Sherman Hotel ? Miss Coyne. Xo, it was his chief clerk that told me that. The Chairman. Well, T mean to sa^^ that the chief clerk did. Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. The Chairman. There seemed to be a complete understanding of where the business ay as to go on ? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. There was some secrecy in reference to it in the early part of the afternoon. A Mr. Edward McBride, whose title is chief of the field deputies of the internal-revenue office, re- fused to make any statement, and denied that there was any Demo- cratic business going on in the city. The Chairman. Did vou see him later after the matter became public? ^ ^ . Miss Coyne. Xo. The Chairman. Do jou know whether Waterbury had any card, when these girls went to the room, on which was stated the amount the}^ were to subscribe ? Miss Coyne. Xo, I do not. The Chairman. Do you know whether he had any cards of any kind ? I see you say in your article — Mr. Waterbury, according to one of the youii^- women, o]»ene(l his appeal " by sayini? that he h.-id come here as a representative of Mr. Mee to cover Aber- deen in the interests of the campaijjn fund of the Democratic party. Tlien the courteous Mr. Waterbury pulled all tlie cards out of liis hands and told tlie younj>- women, one of tliem said, that this is a political proposition. Do you mean laying the cards on the table ? Miss Coyne. Yes ; that is just a slang phrase. The Chairman. Oh, I wasn't familiar with the game enough to knoAV that. The 'f^'ivU declared afterwards that they had had no doubt but that it was a political proposition. Mr, Waterbury, according to the .uirls, told them that this was a purely ' ' volu n t a ry con t r i b u t i on , " You understood that he said that ? Miss Coyne. Yes. Tlie Chairman (continuing) : But in the next breath, the girls say, he informed them that their jobs tle- pend on the political status of the country. You understand that that is what he said ? Miss Coyne. I understand that that is what he said. The Chairman. That is what some of these girls told you? Miss Coyne. That is what Miss Lida Young told me. The Chairman. Before they contributed? Miss Coyne. Xo, that was during his appeal. The Chairman. During his appeal. Tell us about these girls, whether they are girls who can easily afford to give this money? Are they girls in good financial circumstances, so that this is no hard- ship on them ? Miss Coyne. In my personal experience with the living expenses of Aberdeen, and my knowledge of these girls, as friends, the greater 2302 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. part of them do not live at home; there are several of them Avhose home is in Minneapolis. The Chairman. They are girls without any property of their own? Miss Coyne. I believe so, yes. The Chairman. They are working girls? Miss Coyne. They are working girls. Eentals and eating is high in Aberdeen, and I don't believe that they coidd alTord it. The Chairman. I want to get the date fixed about this exactly, so I will refer to this paper again. " September 4." Do you know whether that Avas the day that Gov. Cox, according to this paper, was making his speech in Michigan ? I see the paper sa^^s : While Democrats of South Dakota were busy blackjacking " $40 eacli I'rom .$120-a-month girl clerks in the internal revenue office in Aberdeen — 1 am only quoting from this just to fix the date, just to be sure of it— Gov. James Cox, of Ohio, Democratic presidential candidate, was reiterating charges, of which no evidence could be found by the Senatorial Investigating Connnittee in Chicago, that there was a Republican "plot to l)uy the presi- dency," etc. Do you remember that this v/as the same date that the Governot was making that kind of a speech ? Miss Coyne. No ; I am not familiar. The Chairman. I thought that would fix the date. Senator Reed. I hope you will explain that term ''blackjack'- to Senator Kenyon, so he will get its meaning. The Chairman. Yes; explain it. I want you to explain Avhat you mean by "blackjack" letter. Miss Coyne. "Blackjack" is not my word. It is a new news- paper word for The Chairman. Blackmail? Miss Coyne. It is a new newspaper word for blackmail, as I understand it. That is the word of my editor. The Chairman. That is the word of your editor. You Avould use a stronger word if you could have thought of it, I suppose. If there is any word that is too strong to be used for this, I don't know it, and I don't think the English language contains it. Anything more you can tell us about this? Do you know whether this process has been carried on in other States? Have you followed it up at all? Miss Coyne. No, sir; I have not. It was purely a local stoiy with me. The Chairman. And you realized the story value of it, of course, and so followed it up ? Miss Coyne. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Now, avIio of these girls are here ? Miss Coyne. I just now saw Miss Jessie Barchard. The Chairman. Are any of the others here? Miss Coyne. I don't know. The Chairman. Any examination of this young lady ? Senator Reed. No ; that is all. (Witness excused.) The Chairman. Miss Barchard. PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2303 TESTIMONY OF MISS JESSIE BARCHARD. The witness was sworn by the Chairman. The Chairman, Please give your name to the reporter. - Miss Barchard. Jessie Barchard. The Chairman. Where is your home, Miss Barchard ? Miss Barchard. Minneapolis. The Chahjman. Minneapolis? Miss Barchard. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Will you speak a little louder, please? The Chairman. Where are you working now ? Miss Barchard. In Aberdeen, in the revenue office. The Chairman. You are under civil service? Miss Barchard. Why, we never took the examination, but after we had worked there over a year, we automatically became civil service. The Chairman. What? Miss Barchard. We became civiL service. The Chairman. You are civil service now? Miss Barchard. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How long have 3^ou been working for the Gov- ernment ? Miss Barchard. About one year and eight months. The Chairman. Were you subpoenaed to come here ? Miss Barchard. No, sir; I just had a telegram. The Chairman. Or did you come on a telegram from the Sergeant at Arms? Miss Barchard. On a telegram. I just got the telegram. The Chairman. What? Miss Barchard. I just got the telegram. The Chairman. From the Sergeant at Arms, saying that he had a subpoena for you ? Miss Barchard. No, just requesting me to come here. The Chairman. Were you advised not to come by anybody? Miss Barchard. No, sir. The Chairman. Did you advise him you would not come without a subpoena ? Miss Barchard. No, sir; I did not. Nothing was said to anyone at all like that. The Chairman. You came on his telegram ? Miss Barchard. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How long have you been working at Aberdeen? Miss Barchard. Since a year ago last February. The Chairman. And in what capacity are you working? Are you a stenographer or a clerk? Miss Barchard. Calculator operator. The Chairman. What? Miss Barchard. Calculator operator. Senator Pomerene. Calculator operator? Miss Barchard. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What does Marion Kennedy do there ? Miss Barchard. She is a stenographer. The Chairman. AVhat is her salary, do you know ? 2304 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Miss Barciiari). $120 a month. The Chairman. And what is your sahiry? Miss Barchard. The same. The Chairman. Do you knoAv Miss Sigrid Holhind? Miss Barchard. Yes. sir. The Chairjian. What is her salary? Miss Barchard. The same. The Chairman. And Miss Jessie Barchard? Miss Barchard. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What is her work? Miss Barchard. I am Miss Barchard. The Chairman. I be*:: your pardon. Miss Grace Curtis? Miss Barchard. She is a calcidator operator. The Chairman. y\^hat is her salary? Miss Barchard. $120. The Chairman. Miss Ruth Kelly? Miss Barchard. Stenoojrapher. The CnAiRiSiAN. The same salary? Miss Barchard. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And Edith Smith? Miss Barchard. Steno Senator Reed. I expect that is so. Col. Thompson. About raising slush funds, for Avhich there is no foundation. Senator Reed. Oh, let us not get into an argument about that. I liaA^e refrained from expressing unj opinion. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2857 Col. TiioMrs;ox. It is barroom politics, and you know it as well as I know it. Senator Iveed. Well, now, let iis see. Since you insist upon it. let us see. You raised $1,800,000 before you even nominated your candi- date, did you not ? Col. Thompson. Mr. Upham gave you the figures. Senator Reed. That amount was raised ? Col. Thompson. Yes. Senator Keed. You then made a budget to spend $3,000,000 more? Col. Thompson. That is it. Senator Reed. That is $-l:,800,000. It was not $3,000,000; it was $3,000,000 and some hundred thousand dollars in addition? Col. Thompson. I think that ought to be cut down a little bit. Senator Reed. Approximately $5,000,000. In order to raise the $3,000,000 the national committee or Mr. Upham made a budget of approximately $6,000,000, an allocation or quota of approximately $6,000,000, and allocated that out to the various States. Then, as far as the testimony goes, the State organizations proceeded to substan- tially double the allocation to their States, which, if it was carried out throughout the Union, would mean $12,000,000 that they had staited in to raise. Col. Thozvipson. It would take a mathematician to work that out. That is bunk stuff. Senator Edge. You have not doubled that? Col. Thompson. That is pure bunk stuff. Senator Reed. No ; it is not, if you are going to have an argument, because your witnesses from your committee and your representa- tives have sworn to it in State after State of the Union. Col. Thompson. But when you come to see who is collecting Democratic money Senator Reed. I am not looking at the Democratic end of it. You insisted on this argument and I am going to complete it. The Chairman. You ought to divide the time. Col. Thompson. Give me part of it. You are making a speech in here. Senator Reed. You made one and you thrust it in, although I asked you to keep it out. You said it was all bunk. If that plan was carried out in the other States, it w^ould show they are attempting to * raise $12,000,000 in order to raise the $6,000,000 quota for them, and if you get the $6,000,000 plus the $1,800,000 already collected, you would have $7,800,000 of this money. That is just the plan that has been developed thus far until we get down to you. What are you going to do in the seven States of the East is what I am proj)osing to inquire about. You are talking about bunk. There may be some on both sides in this case. Col. Thompson. I think there is quite a lot. Senator Reed. For instance, when you talk about bunk, when they start to raise $400,000 in the city of Cleveland after having allocated to the entire State $400,000, it has the appearance of something be- sides bunk. Col. Thompson. Yes? Senator Reed. Let us come back to New York and get down gently to earth. 2358 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Col. Thompson. Yes, but you said you would give me a chance. Senator Keed. Go ahead ; you shall have it. Col. Thomson. Your candidate has been talking about $30,000,- 000 Senator Reed. I am not talking about him. Col. Thompson. Which is all rot. Senator Reed. All right. Col. Thompson. All the national committee expects to raise is $3,000,000 and they hope to raise that by not a man giving over $1,000. Look around and see who is attacking this thing. It is the men who have large sums of money. Take your committee working in New York and the big Democratic money givers there ; w^here do they come from? They come from right around the financial center and very near Wall Street, too, I will tell you. Take Baruch and take Chadbourne at No. 14 Wall Street. Senator Reed. Well, what about Chadbourne? Col. Thompson. He is a good fellow ; a fine fellow. Senator Reed. What is Avrong with him? Col. Thompson. There is nothing wrong with him. He is per- fectly all right. The Chairman. Is it not true that Mr. Roosevelt, the Vice Presi- dential candidate, has an office in Wall Street? Col. Thompson. Yes; he has an office at No. 54 Wall Street. Un- termyer has an office on Wall Street — though I think he has moved over on Broadway. Baruch's office overlooks Wall Street. Senator Edge. What about Belmont and Ryan? Col. Thompson. They are all doAvn there in Wall Street. Senator EdCxE. Then there is not a monopoly of Wall Street in this particular campaign on one side? Col. Thompson. No. We have not even a Wall Street committee. The Democrats have the Wall Street committee this year, and don't you think your Democratic candidate is a stranger to Wall Street, either. The Chairman. What about it? Senator Edge. He has been in Wall Street, has he ? Col. Thompson. That felloAV got his millions, too, and got most of them down around Wall Street. He is a man who can afford to put * up the entire campaign fund if they want him to. The Chairman. Do you mean the candidate? Col. Thompson. The candidates and these big men that have been doing a great deal of talking about big money. Senator Reed. I am interested in that, for, strange as it may ap- pear to }ipn, if the Democratic Party or the Democratic organization has got anything crooked about it I am just as anxious to hear it as you are possibly to tell it. Of course I start with the assumption that there is no' big money at all concerned in the Republican cam- paign and never has been. Let us hear about the Democrats now. Let us know about their wickedness, and let us know about Cox's wickedness, since you have started on it. Col. Thompson.' He has come out with a lot of cheap barroom talk about our trying to raise $30,000,000, when they only propose to raise $3,000,000. Senator Reed. You see, I do not agree with that at all. You pro- pose to raise a great deal more PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2359 Col. Thompson. We do not. The Chairman. What you have said about Gov. Cox and Wall Street is rather interesting. Senator Reed. I Avaiit to come to that. Do you know how Gov. Cox made his money ? Col. Thompson. I have understood out of securities. Ohio Cities Gas, I think, is one I have heard about, and I think it is called the Pure Oil Co. now. Senator Reed. It was the Ohio Cities Gas Co. ? Col. Thompson. Yes. Senator Reed. Was that a company making gas and selling it to the people, or natural gas? Col. Thompson. 1 think it was a natural gas combined with gas companies in various cities. Senator Reed. .Do you know how much stock Gov. Cox owned in it ? Col. Thompson. No. These are only common reports. Senator Reed. Do you know that he ever owned a dollar in it? Col. Thompson. Not of mv own knowledge. It is just a little bit more than his $30,000,000 talk. Senator Reed. You characterized that as rot, I believe. I want to be polite, and I know you do, and of course you understand the entire impropriety of a man sitting here under oath and making charges that he can not substantiate. Col. Thompson. These are rumors and talk. Senator Reed. Rumors have no business at this table; not a bit. They particularly have no business upon the lips of a man who has ]ust taken a solemn oath. You have, however, made the charge that Gov. Cox is no stranger to Wall Street, by which jou plainly meant to intimate that he was a dealer, a man who speculated or dealt in ^Yall Street. I want to know when he was in Wall Street, who he dealt with, and what he dealt in. I want you to tell us. Col. Thompson. I have said that I understood that he had been interested in securities that are dealt in on Wall Street. Senator Reed. Oh, yes. Of course, if a man happens to buy a rail- road bond for an investment — I do not know that he ever bought one — that security is dealt in on Wall Street. Col. Thompson. I do not say that is any crime. Senator Reed. But you know the distinction between some man buying a security when it may be listed upon the stock exchange and the man being a gentleman engaged in the game of speculation in Wall Street. Do you mean to say Gov. Cox has ever been engaged in that game ? Col. Thompson. I do not say that; no, sir. Senator Reed. Very well ; that part of the charge has been cleared up. Did you ever know him to make a crooked dollar ? Col. Thompson. I did not. Senator Reed. Did you ever know of him ever making any money b}^ speculation in the world? Col. Thompson. I have heard he was interested in various com- panies outside of Ohio. Senator Reed. What companies are they? Col. Thompson. This Ohio Cities Gas is one I heard of. I think that is called the Pure Oil. 2360 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Ej:ed. You do not know how much stock he owns in it ? Col. Thompson. No. Senator Reed. When he OAvned it ? Col. Thompson. No. Senator Eeed. Whether he owns it now ? Col. Thompson. No. Senator Reed. What other company do you know anything about ? Col. Thompson. I do not know any more than in a general way. Senator Reed. He has been in the neAvspaper business, has he not, pretty near all his life ? Col. Thompson. Yes. Senator Ri]ed. And built up some successful newspapers — that is, a])parently successful ? Col. Thompson. Yes. Senator Reed. As a matter of fact, do you not think you ought to withdraw this charge you have made that he is acquainted in Wall Street, he is known in Wall Street, with the intimation that he is connected with big money ? Don't you think you ought to withdraw that? Col. Thompson. I understand Mr. Cox is worth many millions of dollars. Senator Reed. It does not make any difference whether he is worth a dollar. Col. Thompson. And he lives in a house that I am told cost perhaps half a million dollars. Senator Reed. Mr. Cox has a little money, I think. Col. Thompson. And I do not think it is Senator Reed. Do not let us get into the question of a man's pri- vate fortune Col. Thompson. I have nothing against Mr. Cox whatever. I would say he is a clean, fine man. Senator Reed. Thank you for that. I am not talkijig for him nor about the size of his personal fortune. I asked you if you did not think you ought to withdraw every part of your statement which intimates that he is connected and tied up with Wall Street. Col. Thompson. I did not say he was tied up with Wall Street; I said he knew Wall Street. Senator Reed. Well, I know it in a way. Everybody knows it in a way. But you meant, did you not, to intimate that he knew it in an intimate way ? Col. Thompson. That is your inference, not mine. Senator Reed. Didn't you intend that inference? Col. Thompson. No. Senator Reed. I am glad you did not. Then you do not mean to infer that Mr. Cox was entangled in any way with Wall Street or with Wall Street interests, did you? Col. Thompson. What I mean to say Senator Reed. You do not mean to say what I have said? Col. Thompson. Not exactly that ; no. Senator Reed. You say you do not mean exactly that. What did you mean? Col. Thompson. Put it the way you put it again. Senator Reed. I asked you whether you meant to say that Mr. Cox was in any Avay entangled with Wall Street interests, that he was PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2361 concerned in Wall Street's ventures and business, that he is what we call a " bull " or " bear " on the rharket. Col. Thompson. I would not call him a bull or bear on the market. Senator Reed. No; nor would you say that he ever speculated a dollar in Wall Street, would you ? Col. Thompson. Why, I have heard rumors that he had, but 1 would not accuse him of it. Senator Reed. You Avould not say that any of those rumors were true, would you ? Col. Thompson. I could not swear to it. Senator. Senator Reed. No; Do you know anybody that will swear to it? Col. Thompson. No. Senator Reed. You know it is not true, do you not ? Col. Thompson. I do not. Senator Reed. What else do you know bad about Cox? Col. Thompson. I do not know anvthing particularly bad about Cox. Senator Reed. Have you ever been to his house ? Col. Thompson. No ; but I have seen pictures of it. It looks pretty good to me. Senator Reed. A very decent house for a gentleman to live in. Do you mean to say that a shingle on the roof or a brick in the Avail Avas not paid for Avith lionest money, honestly earned by an honest man ? Col. Thompson. That sounds good. Senator Reed. I meant for it to sound good. Do you mean to say that? Col. Thompson. Why, no. No ; I do not. Senator Reed. I thought you did not. I think you just let your blood get in your head and said something you did not mean. Col. Thompson. No: you got excited. Senator. Senator Reed. I did not get a bit excited. It makes the cold shiA^ers run doAvn my back Avhen I hear a man sAvear that a man is mixed up Avith AYall Street Avhen he has no evidence to back it. Col. Thompson. Do yoii think it is any crime to be mixed up Avith Wall Street, Senator? Senator Reed. No, sir; but you knoAv the country understands by the term that a man is mixed up with Wall Street, that he belongs to the class of men AAdio are connected Avith Avhat Ave call big financial operations, and that his interests are Avith money and not Avith the people. You knoAv that, and that is Avhy you made this charge in the Avay you did. NoAv, let us come back to this other business. Nobody is throAving any rocks at Mr. Harding here, and I want to say he is a very fine, splendid American citizen. Both of them are. They are both newspaper men; that puts them aboA^e suspicion. Col. Thompson. But here. Senator, Cox is going around and accus- ing Wall Street interests, and, as a matter of fact, most of the Wall Street interests as far as I knoAv — the big felloAVs doAvn there— Avant to see Cox elected. Senator Reed. That is Avhat I am interested in; and I say to you in perfect sincerity that if the big interests of New York are inter- ested in the election of Mr. Cox I Avant to knoAV it just as bad as you can want to tell it. 2362 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Col. Thompson. A good many of them. Look at the two big financial papers in New York. Who are they for? The New York World and the New York Times. Senator Reed. Is the New York World a big financial paper? Col. Thompson. Yes ; I should say that next to the Times it is the largest financial paper in New York. Senator Reed. Let us see if 1 understand what you mean by " financial paper.'' Do you mean to say it is just a large and wealthy paper, or do you mean it is a paper that supports and is aligned with big money ? Col. Thompson. I mean the papers that are mostly read by people with money. Senator Reed. And that is caters to mone}^? Would vou include that? Col. Thompson. Oh, I would not put it that way. They are big, fine, honest papers — Avonderful papers. The}^ are both for Cox. Senator Reed. The New York World has naturalh^ been a Demo- cratic paper for several years, has it not ? Col. Thompson. Well, it is not a poor man's paper, is it ? Senator Reed. I do not know. They do not speak flatteringly of me, so I am going to pronounce no encomiums on them. But the New York Times was a Republican paper generally, Avas it not? Col. Thompson. I could not tell you. I knoAv it is for Mr. Cox right noAv. Senator Reed. It has been a great League of Nations paper ? Col. Thompson. Yes. Senator Reed. Do you knoAA' anything about the financial interests back of that paper ? Col. Thompson. I do not knoAA^ aa ho oaa^us the paper. Senator Reed. Then the New York Post — that has some financial backing too, has it not ? Col. Thompson. Yes. That is one of the smaller papers; it does not amount to much. Senator Reed. That is backed by Mr. Lamont? Col. Thompson. That is AA-hat I understand : yes. Senator Reed. Do you knoAA^ about Mr. Lamont making a public statement that the paper Avas bought for the purpose of booming the League of Nations? Col. Thompson. No; I do not. Senator Reed. You neA er heard that ? Col. Tplompson. No. Senator Reed. Mr. Lament's connection Avith the house of Morgan is AAdiat? Col. Thompson. I belieA^e he is one of the partners there. Senator Reed. He also AA^ent to Europe as one of the financial ad- Adsers of the President, did he not, AAdien the peace treaty Avas being negotiated ? Col. Thompson. So I understand. Senator Reed. Are you acquainted Avith the fact that it Avas Mr. Lamont Avho secured the copy of the German peace treaty Aveeks be- fore, or a considerable time before the Senate got it, and turned it OA' er to Mr. DaA^idson as representatiA^e of the Red Cross, Avho in turn turned it over to Mr. Root, Avho Avas the representative of all interna- tional virtues ? Do you knoAv about those facts ? PRESIDEXTI-\L CAMPAIGX EXPEXSES. 2363 Col. Thompsox. Why, in an indistinct way I remember reading somethin7es. Very. That was our object in makin*^ it — so it would be a matter not for just one campaign — for reference purposes and a vahiable work. We are trying to make the work as good as possible. I was quite surprised to see that am^body should consider it Avas in any sense of the word a subterfuge, because I do not think -any one of any experience with me would suppose I would indulge in subterfuges. An^Tthing I do for the Republican Party I w^ould do openly and gladly, to the extent of my abilit}^ or work or funds. The Chairman. Was it rather news to you to find out this was one of the sinister influences in the campaign ? Mr. Barnes. Of course the World printed the story, and of course it must have been given away by a solicitor who had a quarrel in some way. The Chairman. Was there any reason to keep it a secret? Mr. Barnes. There was no reason to keep it secret or open, any more than you would a transaction of any business. You may readily realize that solicitors for this kind of work do not always agree as to the value of their services with the person who employs them. Somebody must have given the record. Senator Edge. What record? What did they give away? Mr. Barnes. They did not give anything away. They evidently broke into a desk and took the names of the subscribers, or else some person knew the names of all of them and gave them to the World. Senator Edge. The names of your subscribers were no particular secrets, were they ? Mr. Barnes. No secret any more than that a thing that is not public is secret. A secret is something purposely secret. When I sell a man a hundred barrels of flour I do not publish an advertise- ment about it. Senator Edge. That is what I want to find out. The record can not tell a story unless you tell it for the record. The Chairman. Some one seems to have been sufficiently inter- ested in it to have photographed these subscriptions. Mr. Barnes. That is the way these men do. You go to a man and subscribe and he signs "John Smith," and then it is photographed, and the solicitor in going to you says, "Mr. John Smith, who is a friend of yours, had subscribed. Don't you think you would like to subscribe? " That is purely a photographic method of solicita- tion. It is assumed everybody is intelligent enough to know in making a subscription whether he desires to do so or not. We have to assume that in life. Senator Edge. When your solicitors made their solicitation, they naturally went to Republicans who had money and whom they thought could afford to subscribe in that way. did they not ? Mr. Barnes. Certainly. The Chairman. Was the book to be helpful in harmonizing and solidifying the Republican Party? Mr. Barnes. It seems to have been. The Chairman. I see you have articles by and pictures of Mr. Taft and Hiram Johnson both in this book. Senator Pomerene. Both on the League of Nations ? The Chairman. Have you any articles on the League of Nations? Mr. Barnes. No ; it did not seem to me it was necessary. 2394 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. Has the Albany Evening Journal previously pub- lished what are generally known in the profession as special editions? Mr. Barnes. We published one when we went into our new build- ing in 1918. Senator Edge. I mean political specials. Mr. Barnes. Not that I know of. The Chairman. The whole thing about this book is sort of tempest in a tea pot. Is there any sinister connection ? Mr. Barnes. I am not to be the one to declare that, because I am the person under suspicion. Senator Pomerene. Mr. Barnes, I notice this contract of subscrip- tion reads : Hon. William Barnes, Editor Repvhlicanistn of 1920, 29 East Forty-eighth Street, New York Citij. Dear Sir: We. the undersigned, are glad to subscribe to the publication of your book entitled " Republicanism of 1920." The Republican Party stands for the best interests of the Nation and it is imperative that the party be returned to power, to which we pledge our support and cooperation. At the head of this are the words also, " Published in behalf of a victorious 1920." The names of some of the subscribers are William H. Taft, Elihu Root, Chauncey M. Depew, Charles E. Hughes, Nicho- las Murray Butler, J. W. WadsAvorth, William Bo^^de Thompson, etc. This contains the language, " are glad to subscribe to the publication of your book." Just what does that mean? Are they subscribing for a copy of the book or subscribing a given amount ? Mr. Barnes. I do not know. As I said before, that is evidently a solicitor's method of combining names by photographic process upon one sheet. These men never signed that in that order. The Chairman. They did not ? Mr. Barnes. Certainly not, sir. That is evident on its face that they did not. Senator Pomerene. Did they sign the agreement or statement of which this is a copy ? Mr. Barnes. I do not know. I never heard of it until I saw it the other day. The only thing about it is this, that I assume that Avhen they went around with a dumxmy the}^ may have asked Mr. Taft or Mr. Hughes to sign this letter one of the gentlemen wrote in relation to the book and then coupled them together for the purpose of using it for the purpose of solicitation. Senator Pomerene. I understand that is what may be done, but what I am trying to get at is this, and let me put the question to you accurately as it occurs to me. Here on the face of it they appear to be subscribing to the publication of your book. Mr. Barnes. Subscribing in the sense of advocating it. Senator Pomerene. But it does not say so. Mr. Barnes. What does the Avord "subscribe" mean? You sub- scribe to a covenant, for instance ? Senator Pomerene. It says " subscribe to the publication," and then says, " We pledge our support and cooperation." Do jou understand there is any financial obligation on the part of an}^ of these men ? Mr. Barnes. Certainly not. PRESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIG^s^ EXPENSES. 2395 Senator Pomerene. Do you understand that they are subscribing for one or more copies of this book ? Mr. Barnes. Not at all; not even that. Senator Pomerexe. Do you expect to have any benefit from these gentlemen other than what their names might carry as indorsing the proposition ? Mr. Barnes. Certainly not. Senator Pomerene. Where do you get the money with which to jDublish this very expensive book? i Mr. Barnes. I have told you. They go with these subscription blanks and a man subscribes $5, $10, $100, or he takes one or two or three pages, and that is his indorsement of the whole. Senator Pomerene. I notice there is a likeness of Senator Penrose and some other prominent gentlemen in the party. Did they pay a given amount for those? Mr. Barnes. I can not say in regard to any particular case. Senator Pomerene. Is that the general proposition or general purpose ? Mr. Barnes. The purpose is that these solicitors conducting cam- paigns to raise money for the publication of this book, making their profit for themselves for their work and for the company which employs them. I am using every endeavor, in view of the fact that this work was begun under auspices not my own, to make an accept- able book. It seems to me perfectly clear, everything in relation to it. Senator Pomerene. I have not looked at the book yet. I judge from glancing at it Avhile other members of the committee are scan- ning the pages that there are biographical sketches of these men. Mr. Barnes. Some, and some not. Senator Pomerene. Are they paying for those? Mr. Barnes. A man makes a contract with a journal company as he sees fit. Senator Pomerene. It is a sketch of his life or an engraving Mr. Barnes. Possibly. Senator Po^ierene. A sketch of his life or an engraving was in- serted, and that was done for a consideration ? Mr. Barnes. Certainh^ It is advertising. Senator Edge. As I understand it, originally it was simply a part of the solicitor's plan to go to a prospect and sav, " These men indorse the book." Mr. Barnes. Exactly ; and if the man did not wish to do it, he did not need to do it. There was no compulsion. He is his own master. Senator Edge. Having these signatures photographed, your solic- itors would go to a man they hoped to sell a page of advertising to at a given price? Mr. Barnes. Exactly. Senator Edge. And the advertising consisted of cuts or sketches of the man's life? Is that the type of advertising? Mr. Barnes. Some of it. A good many men will say, " I am very pleased to subscribe, but I do not care to have my picture printed." They would say, " I think it is a very good thing. I see what you are getting up and believe it is a good thing to do." Senator Reed. So you did have subscriptions outside of those who have sketches or pictures in the book? 2396 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Barnes. Yes ; there were two styles of contract. I have shown you those. Senator Keed. The two styles are these : You are hereby authorized to publish our or my representation, as sliown by dunnny, in your forthcomins' book entitled " Republicanism of 1920 " as soon as compiled, for which I or we subscribe for the space of and extra copies of books at $20 per copy, and herewith hand you check drawn to the order of the Journal Co. to the amount of dollars. That was the ordinary subscription of a man who w^as inserting a report about himself ? Mr. Barnes. I suppose so. Senator Reed. The other form : The undersigned subscribes the sum of dollars toward the expense of" publication and circulation of your proposed book entitled " Republicanism of 1920," and herewith tenders check, drawn to the order of the .Journal Co. in payment of same. That was the form where a man subscribed to the enterprise? Mr. Barnes. Exactly. Senator Eeed. There was a form of contract introduced in evi- dence which varies someAvhat from this, and to that form there was appended these names which you have produced of distinguished Republicans, and then there were some other names. Have you ever seen those original subscription lists? You know, do you not, that some men were down on these lists for $2,500 apiece ? Mr. Barnes. Just a moment. Senator. I want to be perfectly sure in regard to the subject of this inquiry. If I sell advertising space in my newspapers for $500 or $1,000 a page, is it within the scope of this committee's powders to ask me my advertising rates ? If it is, all right. But it is not connected with this inquiry. Senator Reed. I am not asking you that. Mr. Barnes. They might have put $10,000 in that book. It is ex-^ actly the same thing. It is a part of my business. Senator Reed. I am not asking you that quesion at present. Mr. Barnes. I am simply asking the chairman. Senator Reed. You have produced here two forms which you saj were the forms that w^ere employed to get these subscriptions. Was there not another form different in its wording from these two forms that you have produced, and have you not on those forms the subscrip- tions of men wdth the amounts of money set opposite their names ? Mr. Barnes. I want to ask the chairman a question. I have openly declared what this business is. It is in no sense a matter of investiga- tion for the campaign Avhatsoever ; and if the committee holds that it has a perfect right to investigate the charges which I make for the sale of advertising space in my newspaper or book, or any other mat- ter, I am willing to answer. I do not want to raise the issue, but I want it distinctly understood in advance that if I answer questions in regard to my own private affairs or if I should be asked to furnish lists of my securities I would consider that it was not within the pur- view of the committee to ask me that. I am not connected with the Republican campaign; I am not a member of any Republican com- mittee or in any relation with the campaign, and if some one sub- scribed $5,000, or $10,000, or $20,000 to help me publish a book of that nature or others, which has occurred in my lifetime, I do not PEESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGX EXPEXSES. 2397 consider it is a matter of any interest unless some legislation should be enacted to prevent some sort of evil. I do not know, as a matter of fact, the amounts of these contribu- tions. If the committee thinks that under its rights granted to it by the Senate it can subpoena my office to produce all of the subscrip- tions of individuals made for this book I should like to have that matter taken up with the committee and a vote cast upon it as to whether this should be delivered. I am perfectly willing to deliver it if the conmiittee commands it. I see no reason v\diy I should answer the question in relation to one and not to all. If you want them you can have them. Senator Eeed. AVell, I would like to see them. then. Mr. Baexes. If your committee feels that it is your duty and your idea of American citizenship, well and good. You know that it is not related to this campaign. Senator Eeed. I do not want to argue the question at all. Mr. Barnes, but I want to state my viewpoint. Contracts have been produced in evidence which are clearly sus- ceptible of construction that this money goes to the Republican cam- paign: that it is in furtherance of the Republican campaign. It is about those contracts that I am asking. I have not asked you Mr. Barxes. For instance Senator Reed. Just a moment. I have not asked you to produce your contract with AVilliam H. Taft for the space that he is allotted in this book, if you have a contract with him: or with Mr. Root or with Senator Borah, or any of those men. I am asking you whether there was not another form of contract than the ones that have been produced here and if that contract did not contain the names of gentlemen with the sums of money put opposite their names. Mr. Barxes. Let us put the questions one at a time. I can answer either one. I asked Mr. Young to give me his forms of contract and he gave me those two. Senator Reed. Of coarse, a man whose name is not even mentioned in this book is not payinof for advertising, is he? He is paying to hel]) circulate the book. That is what he is doing, is it not ? Mr. Barxes. Well Senator Reed. Yes. If you have papers containing the lists of names signed to a contract or a declaration that they are doing this for the puri^ose of aiding in the Republican campaign, and this com- mittee is sitting here for the purpose of ascertaining the moneys that are being expended in this campaign, you would not challenge that as beino- not within the purview of this committee's authority ? Mr. Barxes. Certainly, if it be true: but I do not believe it. Senator Reed. I am asking you to i^roduce contracts that contain these lists of names of subscribers who are not merely subscribing to your book but are subscribing to an enterprise to put this book out as part of the Republican campaign. That is what I am asking for : and those contracts are in existence, because I have seen photo- graphic copies of them. Mr. Barxes. I do not believe there are any photographic copies of anything except these two. Senator Reed. I haA'e seen the contracts. Mr. Barxes. Xo : I think you will find the Xew York AYoiid has taken this and put that on here 2398 PRESIDEJ^^TIAL CAMPAJGA^ EXPENSES. Senator Reed. If the New York World has been 'ill be promptly acknowledged by mail. Total $ . Name , Accepted for the Journal . Address . R^C'fipt. Pay by check only. , 1920. Received of , dollars for space of in our forth- coming book entitled " Republicanism of 1920." The Albany Evening Journal, By , Representative. All checks should be made payable to the Journal Co. Senator Edge. Let me ask a question to see if I can clear it up in my own mind, at least. Any money received from subscriptions on either of these forms goes alone to the promoter of the Albany Journal Co. ? No part of it ooes to the national committee ? Mr. Barnes. Oh, no. Senator Edge. Then the only political interest in your publishing this book, so far as our committee would be concerned, would be the argument of this book going out to the public in the interests of the Eepublican Party as a donation ? Is that your view ? Mr. Barnes. Why, yes, sir; I suppose so. I told Mr. Young to stop soliciting as soon as the national convention Avas over, but I believe he did solicit sums, and they were accepted in Albany by the company, but very little. In other words, I wanted to close the inci- dent w^ith the nomination. Senator Reed. It was then distinctly a piece of campaign litera- ture—so distinctly one that you wanted to close it after the nomina- tions and cut it out ? Mr. Barnes. I Avas very much afraid that it might be complicated in the very particular w^ay it has come before this committee, that if w^e had anybody soliciting after the nomination the person to whom he went might say, "Well, I thought this was the national com- mittee," ancl it would become confused between us and the national committee. I did not care to be in that particular jam, and I said, "We will close out at the close of the nomination." Senator Reed. You thought it was so much like political propa- ganda conducted by a national committee that you would have to be pretty careful or you would get mixed up ? Mr. Barnes. Oh, I would not put it that way. That is not true. In fact, I was speaking to the person who was soliciting. I would not care to have anybody contribute to an enterprise in w^hich I was engaged thinking he was doing it for any other purpose. Senator Edge. It was started as a business enterprise ? Mr. Barnes. Purel}^ Senator Edge. And if it should be of benefit to the interests of the Republican Party, you would have no objection to that ? Mr. Barnes. No. Senator Edge. Do you differentiate it in any w^ay from the publi- cation of a Republican newspaper that may be contributed to by various prominent Republicans ? Mr. Barnes. I never thought about it, that it came within the pur- view^ of the statute in relation to campaign contributions, when we PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN^ EXPENSES. 2401 began the proposition the middle of 1918. I mean it did not occur to me — the thought did not even happen to come into m}^ mind. The Chairmax. Have you seen anything of this book, the prices of which have been set forth in a pamphlet, The War. the World, and Wilson, by George Creel ? Mr. Barnes. No ; I heard Mr. Gerard's testimony. The Chairman. Is there much difference in sending that out or this out? That is just as much propaganda, of course, as this would be. You have not seen that book, have you, the Creel book ? Mr. Barnes. No. sir. The Chaikman. Do you know how it compares in size with this ? Mr. Barnes. I do not know anything about it. Senator Pomerexe. Let me ask you this: Of course, your book does not show that any of these articles or steel engravings, or what- ever kind of engravings they are, were in fact paid for as advertising matter ? Mr. Barxes. They do not show it on their face. Senator Pomerexe. And in soliciting for subscriptions to the book were your subscribers advised that they were in part paid for in that way ? Mr. Barxes. I can not tell you what another man said to another. Senator Pomerexe. There is nothing in your literature which would indicate to the subscriber that these contributions were paid for in that way? Mr. Barxes. I should think not. Senator Edge. As a matter of fact, Mr. Barnes, as a publisher, in publishing biographical sketches, did you ever hear of one that had the mark of advertising, or any mark at all which would designate it to the reader ? Mr. Barxes. I did not know from the Senator's question but pos- sibly a law had been passed making it a criminal offense if it is not done. It is hard to keep up with them. Senator Pomerexe. Xo; I was trjdng to find out how the matter was conducted. That is all. Mr. Barxes. I think it was conducted in a natural, human-nature way. The Chairmax. We will ask you to return again to-morrow morn- ing, Mr. Barnes. Mr. Barxes. Can you give me some definite hour. The Chairmax. At 10.30 in the morning. We can make it half an hour earlier, if you wish. Mr. Barxes. No : I do not want you to do that. (Witness excused.) TESTIMONY OF MR. GEORGE T. CARROLL. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. The Chairmax. Will you give your name to the reporter? Mr. Carroll. George T. Carroll. The Chairmax. Where do you live? Mr. Carroll. Elizabeth, N. J. The Chairmax. What is your business? Mr. Carroll. Retail liquor dealer. 2402 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Are you president of one of the national organ- izations — I do not know its name? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What is the name of that organization? Mr. Carroll. I am president of the National Eetail Liquor Dealers' Association of America. The Chairman. Are you also an officer in the State organization of New Jersey? Mr. Carroll. I am president of the Federated Liquor Industry of New Jersey. The Chairman. The Federated Liquor Industry? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How^ big an organization is this National Retail Liquor Dealers' Association? Mr. Carroll. It is composed at the present time of representatives of five States. The Chairman. What are the States? l-'r. Cai?r LL. Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, New York, and Wisconsin — did I say Illinois? The Chairman. No. Mr. Carroll. Illinois, then. The Chairman. Six States. How does it happen that it does not extend into the other States? Mr. Cariioll. It did extend to the other States, Senator, but for some reason or another they did not respond to the call of the last convention. Tlio Chairman. AA^here did you hold the convention? Mr. Carroll. In New York. The Chairman. How many States Avere in it before this lack of response ? Mr. Carroll. I believe nine. The Chairman. Did it never extend over more than nine States? Mr. Carroll. Not in my time. The Chairman. How long have you been president ? Mr. Carholl. Fourteen months. The Chairman. AVho was your predecessor? Mr, Carroll. AVilliam Seckel, of Cleveland. The Chairman. In these six States that you mentioned how large a membership have you? Mr. Carroll. You mean ^^hat membership in each State the or- ganization has ? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. CARiiOLL. I could not answer that — only for one State. Tlie Chairman. You have a separate organization in each State? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Does that extend into the counties ? • Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Into the States and into the townships? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. You can only answer as to one State? Mr. Carroll. That is all ; that is New Jersey. The Chairman. AYho is at the head of the association in Massa- chusetts ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2403 Mr. Carroll. Richard McGillicuddy. The Chairman. Is he an Irishman? Mr. Carroll. Yes. The Chairman. Where does he live? Mr. Carroll. Boston. The Chair^vian. Who in Rhode Island? Mr. Carroll. William ^laines. The Chair3ian. Where does he live? Mr. Carroll. Providence, R. I. The Chairman. Who in Illinois? Mr. Carroll. I think Robert J. Halle. The Chairman. What is his address? Mr. Carroll. Chicago. The Chairman. In Xew Jersey do you have some one under you ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. AYho? Mr. Carroll. Albert Illinger. The Chairman. And in New York? Mr. Carroll. Charles Hussey. The Chairman. What is his address? Mr. Carroll. I do not know his address. The Chairman. What is Illinger's address ? Mr. Carroll. East Rutherford, N. J. The Chairman. And in Wisconsin ? Mr. Carroll. William Gleason. The Chairman. What is his address? Mr. Carroll. AYaukegan. The Chairman. In each one of these States they have a distinct organization reporting to you as the national chairman ? Mr. Carroll. Well, the only time they report to me is at our national convention, once a year. The Chairman. Is that all the association does — hold a convention once a year ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir — pardon me; we have conferences between when deemed necessary to call same. The Chairman. Do you publish a newspaper? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What is the name of the newspaper ? Mr. Carroll. It is called " Beverages." It is handled by the national secretary. The Chairman. Is that paper sent only to paid subscribers? Mr. Carroll. I could not answer that question. Senator Reed. All that is left is the name, is it not? The Chairman. How many copies of that are printed ? Mr. Carroll. I have not any idea, sir. The Chairman. Has it a large circulation ? Mr. Carroll. I could not say the circulation of it. The Chairman. Who could tell that? Mr. Carroll. That is his individual paper. The Chairman. Is it supported in any way by your organization? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. How is your organization supported ? Mr. Carroll. By per capita tax from each Sta**) association. 2404 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Is that a per capita tax on all the people of the State? Mr. Carroll. On each member. The Chairman. What is the per capita tax ? Mr. Carroll. $1 per member. The Chairman. How many members have you? Mr. Carroll. I could not answer that question. The Chairman. Oh, approximately? Mr. Carroll. In the neighborhood of about 4,000. Of course, that is just a guess ; I have not any idea. The Chairman. Have you any other sources of revenue ? Mr. Carroll. That is all. Senator Reed. $1 a year? Mr. Carroll. A dollar a year per member. The Chairman. And in the State of New Jersey Mr. Carroll. Pardon me. Each State association pays $100 a year for dues. The Chairman. They pay it to whom ? Mr. Carroll. To our national secretary. The Chairman. Are those all the sources of revenue ? Mr. Carroll. That is all. The Chairman. Have you anything from the paper in advertise- ments ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Are there any contributions? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Take the State of New Jersey, with which you are familiar — you are not familiar with the other States ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir; I am not familiar with them. The Chairman. What is your method of organizing in New Jer- sey ? Do you have a State chairman ? Mr. Carroll. We have a State president and a State organizer; The Chairman. The State president you have given us ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chair^uan. Who is the State organizer? Mr. Carroll. Joseph H. Buckridge. The Chairman. What is the business of the organizer? Mr. Carroll. He publishes a paper called " Justice." The Chairman. That is supported by Mr. Carroll. That is supported by the members. The Chairman. That is in addition to the money you said yon re- ceived ? Mr. Carroll. Yes. Senator Edge. Have you any copies of that paper with you ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. Senator Edge. That is circulated onl}^ in New Jersey ? Mr. Carroll. That is printed in New Jersey, but sent Senator Edge. All over the country? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Do you know how many copies are sent around New Jersey? Mr. Carroll. All I know is that each of the members connected with the State association gets a copy of it, paid by the local associ- ation. PEESIDEN-TIAL CAMPAIG^T EXPEl^SES. 2405 The Chairman. You have local organizations in each county? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. In some counties, several. The Chairman. You have them in the different towns? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How many local organizations did you have in the State of New Jersey? Mr. Carroll. At the present time we have in the neighborhood of 36, I think it is, or 35. The Chairman. Thirty-six local organizations? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What is your largest one? Mr. Carroll. I believe the Hudson County organization. The Chairman. How much of a membership does that have? Mr. Carroll. I have not any idea. The Chairman. Have you no idea of the membership throughout the State? Mr. Carroll. At the present time there is probably about in the neighborhood of 1,500. The Chairman. Are these 1,500 men who are in the business now? Mr. Carroll. No, sir; some are out of the business, but maintain their membership. The Chairman. Are there a good many of them in the business now? Mr. Carroll, Yes, sir; quite a number. The Chairman. Is the prohibitory law in force in New Jersey ? Mr. Carroll. I believe so. The Chairman. How do they happen to be in the business, then ? Mr. Carroll. I beg your pardon? The Chairman. How do they happen to be in the business of buy- ing and selling liquor ? Mr. Carroll- They handle this one-half of 1 per cent " near beer " and several beverages. The Chairman. Do they have permits? Mr. Carroll. It is not necessary to have permits for that. The Chairman. Not for that percentage ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. But have you among your membership many w^ho have permits? Mr. Carroll. I do not know of any. The Chairman. You do not know of any? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Do you know how many permits have been issued in the State of New Jersey? Mr. Carroll- No, sir. The Chairman. We had in evidence in Chicago a letter supposed to have been written by you to Cabain Bros., elated July 22, 1920. Did you write that letter? You have seen it in the paper? Mr. Carroll. I saw it in the paper, but I did not write the letter. The Chairman. But you signed the letter? Mr. Carroll. It was signed with a rubber stamp in my office. The Chairman. It was authorized by you ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. 2406 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. The letter states : Cabain Bros. Dear Sir and Brother : Tlie organized liquor trade of New Jers'ey has set out to do its part toward the election of James M. Cox as the next President of the United States, and it becomes my duty to call upon you to help. JNIore than that, we are going to fight as we never fought before to keep the hirelings of the Anti-Saloon League out of office; to elect Congressmen in the 12 congres- sional districts of the State who will vote to amend the Volstead Ast so as to permit the sale of light wine and beer ; to elect assemblymen and State senators w^ho will keep New Jersey from ratifying the eighteenth amendment and pre- vent the passage of any law concurring in the Volstead Act in its present form. The nomination of Gov. Cox, of Ohio, for the Presidency by the Democrats is a big victory for our interests, and it can be attributed to a great degree to the activity of our trade organizations here in New Jersey and throughout the Nation. What did 3^our trade organizations do toAvard the nomination of Gov. Cox? Mr. Carroll. They did not do anything. Senator Edge. Who were they for ? Mr. Carroll. They were not for either. Senator Edge. What do you mean by that ? Mr. Carroll. We never mentioned either one or indorsed either one, either Mr. Hardino; or Mr. Cox. The Chairman. This is the nomination. Did they do anything for the nomination? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman (reading) : Gov. Cox is a pronounced " wet " and he can be relied upon to approve an amendment to the Volstead Act as suggested above. It is now up to our trade organizations to stand unitedly behind the ticket of Cox and Roosevelt and roll up such a majority as will show convincingly that the public well is in our favor. Are you going to help? Of course you are. Did you talk this over with whoever sent it out ? Mr. Carroll. Our State organizer who is the — now you are chang- ing from the retail association to the Federated Liquor Industry. The Chairman. I think you are right. We will turn now to that. This letter was sent out by the secretary of the Federated Liquor Dealers' Association, not by the Retail Liquor Association ? Mr. Carroll. o, sir. The Chairman. You are president of both of them ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Do they work antagonistically to one another? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. They work togther? Mr. Carroll. As a rule ; yes. The Chairman (reading) : The recent decision of the United States Supreme Court has thrown the question of prohibition squnrely into politics. It is the vital issue in the cam- paign that is now under way. The prohibitionists tried to keep the ques- tion out of the campaign. They feared the vote of an outraged and indignant public. It is up to us— members of the organized liquor trade— to force the fight. That is just what we are doing. "\Ve have issued the challenge. The Anti-Saloon League is forced to fight. It has made an appeal for a $30,000 fund to elect dry Congressmen. Have you seen that appeal? Mr. Carroll. Only as it was told me by the State organizer. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2407 The Chairman. You do not know whether it is true or not ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman (reading) : There is no question about the Anti-Saloon League's ability to raise the amount asked. How much can we raise? We must have money at once to carry on the work that we have planned. Do not think for a moment that there is plenty of time to give between now and election. The fall will be too late. Money must be had immediately if we are to maintain our headquarters and continue the propaganda that is necessary in the drive to win public opinion. This is the second appeal that I have sent you. HaA'e you a copy of the first appeal? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Will you please produce it? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. These are form letters, are they not, Mr. Carroll? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Your first appeal was sent out before the conven- tion? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. This was marked " confidential." Why was that? Mr. Carroll. No particular reason. The Chairman (reading) : .Just rec-all what we have accomplished : We elected Gov. Edwards, a Dem- ocrat, in a Republican State ; we elected a " safe " legislature that not only refused to ratify the eighteenth amendment but passed a 3.50 beer bill in order to make the State's court fight possible. Is that organization the organization that elected Gov. Edwards? Mr. Carroll. I could not say that, but we did everything we could for the election of Gov. Edwards. The Chairman. That is, worked through your different organiza- tions ? Mr. Carroll. Through the different locals connected with our State association. The Chairman. Is not that the same kind of fight that you are calling on them to make now for Gov. Cox in the second appeal ? Mr. Carroll. I said that letter Avas O. K'd by me over the phone. The Chairman. Well, you can answer that ? Mr. Carroll. Yes; practically the same. Mr. Cox's name was not mentioned at the conference with the officials of the Federation of Liquor Industries. The. only conference we had was for a liberal Congress irrespective of their politics. The Chairman. Was this read to you over the phone about Gov. Cox? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you O. K'd it? Mr. Carroll. Oh, pardon me; not that paragraph. I do not re- meml>er that paragraph being read. I regret, for two reasons, that that paragraph was inserted. One reason is that the association as a body did not know of it ; and the second reason is that Gov. Cox, or his manager, or the Democratic national committee, knew nothing about it, good, bad, or indifferent. The Chairman. How did it happen, then, that in Justice — that is your paper — Orange, N. J., Thursday, July 4, 1920, you have the article, "Cox big wet victory. Our next President Gov. James M. Cox." Did you have anything to do with that article ? 2408 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Carroll. No, sir ; not a thing. The Chairman. So, wherever anything appears about Gov. Cox and the wets helping him you disclaim any responsibility for that ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. That just happened to get in? Mr. Carroll. It was put in there by the man that prepared the matter. The Chairman. With your O. K. ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you intended that the local organization should go ahead and do the same work under your second appeal as you stated had been done in the first, for Gov. Edwards? Mr. Carroll. Work for a liberal Congress is what they had been advised to do. The Chairman. You do not care anything about the President; it is just Congress? Mr. Carroll. We did not figure on the President. The Chairman. You do not figure on that ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Did your paper. Justice, figure on the President? Mr. Carroll. It seems so, by the article. The Chairman. It is not a surprise to you, is it ? Mr. Carroll. Not at all. The Chairman. How much money have you raised in 3?'our organi- zation for this work? Mr. Carroll. $2,400~in the neighborhood of $2,500. It is a little bit less than that. The Chairman. Was that done by letter writing? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir; all those letters. The Chairman. Who was that money paid to ? Mr. Carroll. The checks came in to our former treasurer, Mr. I. N. Heller, who resigned in the early part of July, and I assumed the temporary treasurership myself. The checks were made payable to the Federated Liquor Industry and some to myself as president. The Chairman. Were those checks all from New Jersey? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you extend the work outside of New Jerse}^ ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Your checks are not all in yet, are they? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir — pardon me. You mean what we are ex- pecting to raise ? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. Carroll. I could not answer that. The Chairman. You expect to raise more money than that ? Mr. Carroll. If anything comes in response to that second letter it will be accepted. The Chairman. How many second appeals did you send out ? Mr. Carroll. In the neighborhood of fifteen hundred. The Chairman. How many checks did you get back from those fifteen hundred letters? Mr. Carroll. Checks amounting to in the neighborhood of $953. The Chairman. Did you receive any letters from the other fifteen hundred, or do you still expect them ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2409 Mr. Caeroll. In the first letter the checks came in to Mr. Heller. The Chairman. I am asking about the checks that came in the second time. Mr. Carroll. A little over $900 received from the second one. The Chairman. What about the balance ? Mr. Carroll, We do not know whether any more is coming. The Chairman. Have you any solicitors ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Out soliciting money? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Did you send any literature through your Retail Liquor Dealers' Association ? Mr. Carroll. In the State ? The Chairman. No ; in the Nation. Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Did you send anything out since the convention? Mr. Carroll. No, sir ; not a thing. The Chairman. Have you any more literature there bearing on this question? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Have you any letters showing the checks received ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Will you produce two or three of those? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Have you a typewritten list of all the money re- ceived ? Mr. Carroll. No; not all of it — since I became treasurer Senator Edge. Let us have that. The Chairman. How much did you raise for the Edwards cam- paign ? Mr. Carroll. We did not raise any money for the Edwards cam- paign. The Chairman. To whom did you turn this money over? Mr. Carroll. I pay the bills out of it The Chairman. Do you turn any of it over to the national com- mittee ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Or the State committee ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. You just use it to carry on your own campaign? Mr. Carroll. Propaganda work. The Chairman. You expect to go on and raise what you can and €arry on what propaganda you can in New Jersey in this election? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And circulate your paper? Mr. Carroll. I suppose that paper Senator Edge. That is a separate proposition ? Mr. Carroll. We have nothing to do with it at all. That is the organizer's paper. The Chairman. But it is the official organ of the wholesale and retail liquor dealers of New Jersey? Mr. Carroll. It has been adopted as the official organ. The Chairman. This paper. Justice, with a picture of Cox as the next President — how much is that circulated in New Jersey? 2410 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Carroll. Just to the members. There are no special subscrip- tions for it. The Chairman. It is a free matter ? Mr. Carroll. No. They pay $2, by each local The Chairman. Each local lodge pays $2 per member? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And where do they send that money? Mr. Carroll. It goes to the organizer. Senator Pomerene. How often is it printed ? Mr. Carroll. Semimonthly. The Chairman. How much of a circulation does that have out- side of the State of New Jersey ? Mr. Carroll. I do not know of any. The Chairman. Will you give us copies, if you have them, of that paper since the convention ? Mr. Carroll. I have not got them with me. I can get them for The Chairman. Will you send them to us, if it is not too much trouble for you ? Mr. Carroll. I Avould have to wait until I get back home. Do jo\jl want a copy since our State convention ? The Chairman. No; since the national convention. Mr. Carroll. In New York? The Chairman. It is not as important, of course, as your conven- tion : but I am speaking of the one held in San Francisco. Will you do that? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. Send it direct to you. Senator ? The Chairman. I think so. There is one thing more that I want to ask you. What is the name of your Wisconsin agent? Mr. Carroll. Mr. Gleason. The Chairman. What is his address ? Mr. Carroll. Waukegan. The Chairman. That is in Illinois, is it not ? Mr. Carroll. No ; that is in Wisconsin. Senator Edge. Drawing your attention to that paragraph in A^our letter that you apparently did not censor The recent decision of the United States Supreme Court has thrown the question of prohibition squarely into politics — You believe that to be correct, 'do you ? Mr. Carroll. Well, I O. K'd the letter with it in there. Senator Edge. Do you believe that prohibition is in politics now? Mr. Carroll. It ought to put tlie men in the business into politics. Senator Edge. Then you do not agree with Gov. Cox's statement that has been printed recently that the prohibition question is as dead as slavery ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir ; I do not believe it. Senator Edge. Do you think the members that you are asking for money to help Mr. Cox's campaign Avill be in sympathy with that statement? Mr. Carroll. It is not for Mr. Cox's campaign; it is to elect a lib- eral Congress. There may be a possible chance of modifying the A^olstead measure. Senator Edge. Your letter is headed, " Liquor dealers ask for funds to aid Candidate Cox as a pronounced ' wet.' " PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGX EXPENSES. 2411 Mr. Carroll. As I said, Senator, that is a paragraph that I do not remember having heard read Senator Edge. You seem to question the connection between this paper — Justice — and your activities. I understood you to say that Mr. Buckridge was your official State organizer? Mr. Carroll. And State secretary of the Xew Jersey liquor dealers. Senator Edge. Also State secretary ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. And he is the publisher of Justice ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. I see on your list of expenditures here that Mr. Buckridge's name appears frequently. Here is one item, "J. H. Buckridge, 15 per cent commission, $89.85." What is that for ? Mr. Carroll. For collections of these checks that came in. Senator Edge. He gets paid a commission for collecting the money to elect a liberal Congress. He is not interested in the election of €ox. Is that it? ^ Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Mr. Buckridge again: two months' sahay, I sup- pose? jNIr. Carroll. He gets $500 a year. Senator Edge. That is for organizing ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir ; as State organizer — no ; pardon me — as sec- retary of the Federated Liquor Industry. Senator Edge. As a matter of fact, Mr. Buckridge and Justice are Tery closely and directly connected with your movement ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. You would not in any way question that headline in the July 4 issue of Justice : " Cox a big wet victory." Is that your view ? Mr. Carroll. Well, he put it in there. He did not put it in with the sanction of the liquor industry or the Retail Dealers' Association. Senator Edge. He was secretary of your association ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir; not then. Senator Edge. He is organizer of your association? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Do you, from your contact with the liquor dealers of New Jersey, believe that that reflects their view that it is a wet victory ? Mr. Carroll. Well, they seem to think, the dealers in the State of New Jersey, since the nomination, that Gov. Cox would be the more liberal of the two. Senator Edge. Have you heard any expressions since the statement of Gov. Cox, if correct, that he considers the issue is as dead as slaver}^ ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. Senator' Edge. That has not brought forth any comment? Mr. Carroll. Only just in informal talks. Senator Edge. What seems to be their view about that? Senator Reed. Are we not going pretty far afield? Senator Edge. I do not care. I thought we perhaps would like to enlarge on it. You need not answer it if you do not want to. Senator Reed. I do not object to it, of course, but we are here investigating campaign funds, and you are asking for the vicAvs of 2412 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. some saloon keeper doAvn in NeAV Jersey as to whether Cox is more liberal than Harding, in order that he may follow them and see which drinks the most whisky. I do not mean to say either of them do drink. Senator Edge. This money that you have asked for — how do you spend it in New Jersey, to aid the congressional campaign or the Cox campaign? Have you any of the literature that you have prepared? Mr. Carroll. There Avas some matter we had used in former campaigns. Senator Edge. I would rather see some that you have used in this campaign, if you have any. Mr. Carroll. No, sir; we have not yet. The Chairman. Are you working on some? Mr. Carroll. Our organizer told me he was working on some, but only letters. The Chairman. Have you any samples of Avhat you are going to send out ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir; none prepared yet. Senator Edge. Have you been asked by the president of the federa- tion or the president of the national association or any representative of the Democratic Party to desist from your work ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. Senator Edge. There has not been any complaint made, then, of the propaganda that you are preparing ? Mr. Carroll. Not that I know of. Senator Edge. It is apparently accepted as a part of the campaign, as far as you knoAV ? Mr. Carroll. I have not heard anything to the contrary. Senator Edge. It has been pretty liberally published that you are engaged in this Senator Pomerene. Have you any evidence that that has been accepted ? Senator Edge. I was asking him. Senator Pomerene. I am asking you. Senator Edge. It is not necessary to have any. Senator Pomerene. No. You recognize the fact, do you not, that that is a very unfair question ? Senator Edge. I do not see any reason in the world why the rela- tion it bears directly to the campaign of Gov. Cox should not be brought out. I do not see why I should not directly ask the ques- tion whether in any way he lias been associated with the national committee, just as you asked or just as it was asked frequently in Chicago when representatives of various allied organizations were brought before us, as to whether that had any connection with the national committee. I am asking this witness whether he has heard in any way, either directly or indirectly, from the national committee asking him to desist in his work. Senator Pomerene. That is not what I was objecting to. It was your statement that because there was not anything of the kind, therefore they were approving it. Senator Edge. I will put it in another way if you object to it, so that the record can be perfectly clear. « PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2413 Have you heard from any official of the Democratic national com- mittee directing you to desist from this propaganda in the interests of the Democratic candidate ? Mr. Caeroll. No, sir. Senator Edge. Does that satisfy you ? Senator Eeed. Have you heard of any effort on the part of the Re- publican committee to stop George Sylvester Veerick advocating the election of the Republican ticket ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Who is George Sylvester Veerick ? Have you ever heard of him before ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. In Justice I notice — WET PLANK LEFT OUT BECAUSE OF FIGHT ON LEAGUE WILSON FEARED ANTAGONIZ- ING DEYS AND THAT LEAGUE OF NATIONS ISSUE MIGHT SUFFER MAJORITY OF PARTY WERE AGAINST PROHIBITION. That a wet plank in the Democratic platform was sacrificed for political ex- pediency at the direction of President Wilson was made known by Senator Glass, chairman of the resolutions committee of the convention who explained why he and other administration leaders counseled silence on the liquor question. That was done. Senator Glass said, so that nothing should be permitted to cloud the issue nearest President Wilson's heart — the League of Nations. The President wished the league issue to be sharply drawn against the Repub- licans, and wanted it made the outstanding feature of the platform. Do you know anything about that ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Do you know Mr. James R. Nugent, who is men- tioned in this article ? Mr. Carroll. Slightly acquainted with him. The Chairman. Have you had any conference with him since the convention in San Francisco? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. He was one of the delegates from New Jersey and on the platform resolutions committee? Mr. Carroll. I have read of his being there. The Chairman. I notice again in this article — it possibly has not met 3^our eye — speaking of Cox : His election to the I*residency of the United States will be the crowning vic- tory in the people's war against prohibition. Gov. Gox is an enemy of prohibi- tion. He is opposed to its un-American principle. This fact was well known when he was nominated, which makes his triumph the greater. Do you subscribe to that doctrine ? Mr. Carroll. I do not. The Chairman. That has gone out without your approval? Mr. Carroll. We have nothing to do with that. The Chairman. Nothing to do with the paper at all ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Can you give us any idea of the amount of money that you expect to raise to carry on the kind of campaign you are carrying on? Mr. Carroll. I have not any idea at all. The Chairman. You are going to raise all you can? Mr. Carroll. It is about at the limit now, I imagine, sir, because contributions are coming in very slowly. Senator Reed. How much have you raised? 2414 PEESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Carroll. Less than $2,500. The Chairman. You are not stopping in your efforts to raise the money ? Mr. Carroll. We have not sent any further literature. The Chairman. But you expect to? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. Do you not expect to raise all the money you can and carry on as active a campaign as you can? Mr. Carroll. Well, I think that there will be no more letters go out for any funds. The Chair^^ian. There will be no more letters go out? Mr. Carroll. No more requests. The Chairman. There will be some solicitors go out? Mr. Carroll. No, sir ; we do not send solicitors. The Chairman. You are not going to quit the work? You have not become discouraged? Mr. Carroll. We never get discouraged. The Chairman. So you will keep right on up to election ? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir; we expect to. Senator Edge. What does this 15 per cent commission mean, if you do not pay for subscribers ? Fifteen per cent commission to Mr. Buckridge ? Mr. Carroll. He gets 15 per cent of all donations that come in. Senator Edge. He is a solicitor, is he not ? Mr. Carroll. I thought probably ths Senator had reference to other solicitors, he being the State secretary. Senator Edge. That is in addition to his salary as State secretary ? Mr. Carroll, Yes, sir. Senator Edge. That is all. Senator Keed. Did you ever hear of any political committee ob- jecting to any body of citizens voting their ticket? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. In your experience in the liquor business do you find that the consumption of liquor is regulated by party lines or alignments ? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. Senator Eeed. Is it your opinion as an expert on this question that there is occasionally a Republican who takes a drink and intends to vote for Harding? Mr. Carroll. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Your association has raised about $2,000, and that is about all you think you are going to raise, is it ? Mr. Carroll. It does not look very encouraging, Senator. Senator Reed. The money is not coming in much faster than the percentage of alcohol in this beer that we are drinking nowadays? Mr. Carroll. No, sir. The Chairman. It is coming in about as fast as the Democratic campaign fund. Senator Reed. Has there been any other organization operating over in your State on the other side of this liquor question — temper- ance organizations that have been at work and that have had societies ? Mr. Carroll. The Anti- Saloon League is continuously working there, in the State of New Jerse.y. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES HEARING BEFORE A SUBCOM:\nTTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON PEHILEGES AND ELECTIOJS'S UJslTED STATES SENATE SIXTY-SIXTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION PURSUANT TO S. RES. 357 A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS TO IN^'ESTIGATE THE CAMPAIGN EXPENSES OF VARIOUS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES IN ALL POLITICAL PARTIES PAKT 18 Printed for the use of the Committee on Priv-ilegea and Elections DEC 1" I' 2774 WASHINGTON GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 1920 COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS. WILLIAM P. DILLINGHAM, Vermont, Chairman. WILLIAM S. KENYON, Iowa. LAWRENCE Y. SHERMAN, Illinois. ALBERT B. FALL, New Mexico. PHILANDER C. KNOX, Pennsylvania. SELDEN P. SPENCER. Missouri. JAMES W. WADSWORTH, Jr., New York. JAMES E. WATSON, Indiana. WALTER E, EDGE, New Jersey. ATLEE POMERENE, Ohio. JAMES A. REED, Missouri. THOMAS J. WALSH, Montana. WILLIAM H. KING, Utah. JOSIAH O. WOLCOTT, Delaware. HENRY F. ASHURST, Arizona. Charles A. Webb^ Clerk. Subcommittee on S. Res. 357. WILLIAM S. KENYON, Chairman. SELDEN P. SPENCER. JAMES A. REED. WALTER E. EDGE. ATLEE POMERENE. Charles A. Webb. Clerk. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 1920. United States Senate, Subcommittee on Privileges and Elections, Washington^ D. C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to adjournment, at 10.30 o'clock a. m. Present: Senator Kenyon (chairman), iDclge, Keed, and Pomerene. ADDITIONAL STATEMENT OF MR. WILLIAM BARNES. Senator Reed. When we excused Mr. Barnes yesterday one of the purposes was to get photostatic copies of certain subscriptions to Mr. Barnes's book. The photostatic copies have been mislaid, pre- sumptively by the reporter at Chicago, but we have in his transcript the language of the instrument, and, at least, a partial list of the subscribers. I make that statement so that the witness may understand why the photostatic capies are not produced. I think they Avill un- doubtedly be found. I presume the reporter has them. Now, Mr. Barnes, I call you attention to the langua^*e on page 1471 of the printed copy of these hearings, which is as follows : The Albany Evening Journal, New York City, N. Y., January 20, 1920. The undersigned subscribes the sum of $1,000 for tlie expense and publica- tion and circulation of your proposed book entitled " Republicanism of 1920," and herewith tenders check drawn to the order of the Journal Co. in payment of same. All checks will be promptly acknowledged by mail. That is the form of the subscription blank. Such blanks were in circulation, were they not? Mr. Barnes. Well, the two blanks that I left here yesterday, 1 think, were identical with this. Senator Reed. The other paper, and the paper upon which a large number of names, as appears in this instrument, were signed, contains this heading. I am reading from page 1470 of the document just referred to : We, the undersigned, appreciate the necessity of restoring to power the Re- publican Party and approve the widespread distribution of militant Republican propaganda under the direction of Hon. William Barnes. To that end we here- with pledge our moral and financial support. Was not such a paper as that circulated? Mr. Barnes. I have never seen it before. 2419 2420 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Eeed. Did you see the list of subscribers who signed some kind of a paper? Mr. Barnes. Xo. Senator Eeed. Have you never examined the list of men who signed for certain sums of money for your book? Mr. Barnes. No. Senator Reed. Have you never seen any of those names? Mr. Barnes. AVhat do you mean by " seen the names," exactly? Senator Reed. Have you not got them on your books ? Mr. Barnes. I have not been connected with this work except as a contract with Mr. Young. I have not seen the details of it at all. Senator Reed. Let us see about the contract with Mr. Young that you speak of. You can tell me again who Mr. Young is, because it has slipped my memory. Mr. Barnes. He is in the business of getting up books^ Senator Reed. What is his full name ? Mr. Barnes. Edgar Pennington. Senator Reed. He is in the business of getting out books? Mr. Barnes. Anniversary books, and things of that kind. Senator Reed. Where is he located ? Mr. Barnes. Montclair, N. J. Senator Reed. Where is his office ? Mr. Barnes. In the Tribune Building. Senator Reed. In New York City ? Mr. Barnes. Yes. Senator Reed. Do I understand that you simply furnished the manuscript for this book and then Mr. Young undertook the work of securing subscribers, raising the money, etc. ? Mr. Barnes. I thought I explained that yesterday. The Journal Co. Senator Reed. It is indistinct in my mind. Mr. Barnes. The Journal Co. made a contract with Mr. Young that he would go ahead and raise sufficient money, whatever he could, in relation to this book. The Journal Co. was to publish it, etc. It is a very simple proposition. I have not been connected with the matter except as I am officially connected now as the president of the Journal Co. Senator Reed. You wrote the book, did you not ? Mr. Barnes. No ; I did not. Mr. Hendrick is the editor. Senator Reed. Who? Mr. Barnes. Frank Hendrick. Senator Reed. It is called the Barnes book, is it not? Mr. Barnes. I am not responsible for what people may say. Senator Reed. You allowed your name to be connected with the issue of it, did you not ? Mr. Barnes. Allowed my name to be connected with the issue of it? Senator Reed. Yes. Mr. Barnes. Certainly. I was president of the Journal Co. I made a contract with Mr. Young, and I am in that sense responsible, of course. Senator Reed. What I want to know is whether you simply got a sum of money for doing the printing and these other people made all of the contracts and got all the money they could get, or all PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2421 the money they did get, and kept what was not coming to you under your contract for the printing. AVhat is that arrangement? Mr. Bakxes. It states here on page 1471, does it not, check pay- able to the Journal Co. Senator Eeed. Very well. Then, what did Mr. Young get out of it? Mr. Barnes. Well, of course, I will answer that question if the committee thinks I ought to ; he, of course, got a commission. The Chairman. What is his percentage? Mr. Barnes. Is that important, what percentage we paid him? Senator Reed. Yes; it is important. We might as well quit fenc- ing about this matter. Mr. Barnes. I am not fencing. If you think it is important Senator Reed (interposing). The whole thing is important. I want to know what this deal was. It has been charged that this was a means of aiding the Republican national campaign, and therefore we want to know about it. AYe are investigating that campaign. Mr. Barnes. I just want to be clear, you know. Senator, as to what questions I should answer and what I should not answer. I am per- fectly read}' to answer it, but I do not think that I should explain matters of that kind. I am perfectly willing to say he got 25 per cent or 30 per cent or 40 per cent Senator Reed (interposing). What did he get? Mr. Barnes. I want to ask the chairman about that. The Chairman. The chairman really has not any more to say about it than anybod}^ else. Mr. Barnes. I want advice ; that is all. The Chairman. The committee have taken up that question this morning Mr. Barnes (interposing). I would like to know what your de- cision is. The Chairman. We, of course, do not want to go into your private matters at all, but this whole transaction, we feel, is a proper matter to be shown. As to questions that do relate to your private matters you have a right to raise your objection, but we feel that this ques- tion is entirely proper. Mr. Barnes. I feel this way, that I do not Avant to stand on any right that I believe I have, because I do not wish to complicate or to attempt to say anything that might be interpreted as disguising anything, but I can not see how it is pertinent. I will, however, answer the question for that reason, and for no other, because I do not wish to put the man whom I made a contract with in regard to a business matter in the position of explaining every detail of it. I will do it under that understanding. The Chairman. The questions will only be general. Mr. Barnes. Fifty per cent he received, and 45 per cent in Albany. Fifty per cent elsewhere. Senator Reed. I did not get that. Mr. Barnes. Fifty per cent it is, in Albany, and 55 per cent else- where. Senator Reed. He went out and made solicitations and got con- tracts. Did the Journal Co. then undertake the preparation of the manuscript through its agents ? 2422 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Barnes. Who prepared the manuscripts and took charge of its publication? Senator Reed. Yes. Mr. Barnes. Mr. Hendrick. Senator Reed. Where did he get his compensation ? Mr. Barnes. From the Journal Co. Senator Reed. The solicitor got 50 and 55 per cent — 55 per cent outside of Albany. Who paid for the expense, whatever it was, of preparing the manuscript of the book? Was that the Journal Co. ? Mr. Barnes. Certainly. Senator Reed. These original subscription lists, then, or contracts, are they on file Avith the Journal Co. or are they on file with Mr. Young ? Mr. Barnes. I know they are on file with Mr. Young. I do not know anything further — that is, I presume that they are; I can not swear to it. Senator Reed. You yourself have never seen them, and your your- self do not know who subscribed the sums of money that went to the payment of the expenses of getting out this book? Mr. Barnes. No. sSenator Reed. Have you ever seen the lists or any of the lists of subscribers ? Mr. Barnes. No. Senator Reed. How did you ascertain that the Journal Co. was going to get enough money to pay it for the work of getting out this book unless you saw the subscriptions or knew something about them ? Mr. Barnes. It was a business enterprise. I will venture to say that in a business enterprise you do not know whether you are going to make a success or not before you begin. Senator Reed. But I venture to say that before I would produce a book that cost as much money as this, I would know whether the money was there to pay for it or not ; and I would venture the guess that you are just that kind of a man yourself, Mr. Barnes. Mr. Barnes. The thing is very simple. A prospectus was put out in relation to the book and, of course, the compan}^ went ahead and made a contract for its publication. Senator Reed. Exactly. How much money was your company to get out of it for its work of getting out the book ? Mr. Barnes. You have got hold of it from the wrong end, Sen- ator. Senator Reed. No ; I have not. You have gotten hold of it from the wrong end. I do not care whether the original arrangement was that you were to get a certain number of thousands of dollars or whether you went in and took a chance on whether yon were going to get any- thing. What I want to know is whether, before you got down to the printing of this book, you ascertained how much money you were going to get, or approximately, or if you had enough money to pay for the printing of the book. Mr. Barnes. I do not know how much money was at hand at the time that the contract was made. Senator Reed. How much money haA^e you been paid? Mr. Barnes. Do you think that is a proper question ? Senator Reed. Certainly I do. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2423 Mr. Barnes. I think I will have to have that sent in. I can not answer it. Senator Edge. Mr. Chairman, I do not w^ant to object to Senator Eeed's questions if they are leading up to something that perhaps is not entirely clear now, but I want to draw attention simply to the fact that Mr. Barnes has, under oath, testified that no portion of this income is to go to the national committee, and therefore is it incum- bent upon us to endeavor to find out whether he did or did not make a financial or cash profit ? As I understand, the reason that we felt entirely justified unanimously in investigating this matter was that it is Republican propaganda; but so far as the actual cash profit is concerned he has under oath stated that it in no way, directly or indirectly, went to the national committee. Senator Reed. I thought we had an agreement on that this morn- ing in our conference. Senator Edge. I do not want to change that at all, so far as the books being campaign propaganda is concerned. I thoroughly agree with that. But I am referring to the actual profits. Senator Reed. I want to know where these moneys went, because I do not know up to this date whether any part of them went to the Republican national committee or not. Senator Edge. Yesterday, under oath, he said they did not, directly or indirectl}'. Senator Reed. I understand that he said that, but just now he said that he only gets half the money. I am trying to find out how much money was collected. He states that he could not tell me the amount of the subscriptions. Then he certainly can tell me the amount of money he got : and when I find out the amount of money that he got I will then follow it up and find out how much the other fellow got, and follow that and see whether any part of it w^ent to the national committee or not. The Chairman. Do you know how much has been received, Mr. Barnes ? Mr. Barnes. No. If these figures are to be given, I would much prefer to have them absolute. The Chairman. What we would like to have is the subscribers and the amounts. Mr. Barnes. I will have a complete list sent of the whole matter, if that is Avhat you want. I want to make it perfectly clear to the committee in relation to the matter that this enterprise was started two years ago. Mr. Young received his commission of 50 per cent. He turned in his checks as they were made, to the Journal Co. They went to the J ournal Co. at Albany. They were checked up in regular course of business and he was sent his money. He paid his solicitors, his own expenses, and he has been two years at it. He has been doing this for two years and has engaged in no other pursuit. I do not knoAv whether he has made a great deal of money. The money goes, of course, to the Journal Co. Every check is made payable to them, except that on one or tw^o occasions checks were made payable to me, which I indorsed to the company so that the record would be com- plete. Every record is there of every subscriber or amount, and the money of course was paid over to him, his 50 per cent, and the Journal Co. has to pay all the expenses of getting up the book, which is a 2424 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. great deal. We do not know how much it will be. It is extremely difficult to get paper. Senator Reed. Will you say now, Mr. Barnes, that you will send us a complete list of all the subscribers and all moneys that have been received for this book, with a statement showing the amount that Avent to the Journal Co. and the amount that went to Mr. Young or Mr. Young's company? Mr. Barnes. Of course the total amount goes to the Journal Co. first. That is what I was trying to say. Senator Reed. I mean the amount left to the Journal Co. Mr. Barnes. I could not sa}^ that, because I do not know what the expenses are going to be. Senator Reed. I mean the gross amount. Mr. Barnes. I understand. Senator Reed. Let me make this statement, so that you can get it. You say you will send us a complete list of the subscribers and the moneys that have been received for this book, together with the statement of the amount of that money which was turned back to Mx, Young or Mr. Young's company ? Mr. Barnes. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. You will send us that, will you ? Mr. Barnes. Certainly, under the orders of the committee. ' The Chairman. Yes. Mr. Barnes. I wanted it distinctly so understood, because that is , the only way in which I can justify myself to the subscribers. Senator Reed. Is that the order of the committee ? The Chairman. Yes ; that is the order of the committee. Senator Reed. Read me what I asked for. I want to see if I have covered it. (The reporter read Senator Reed's previous question as above recorded.) Senator Reed. I want the amount from each subscriber and the source of all of the money, Avhether it is from the subscriber or whether it comes in under some other name or title, and the name of the party paying the money. That is what we want. When can Ave have that, Mr. Barnes ? Mr. Barnes. I will telegraph the Journal Co. immediately and have it sent. Senator Reed. It then can be here Avithin Mr. Barnes. I suppose it would take tAvo days. Senator Reed. By to-morrow morning, perhaps? Mr. Barnes. No. To-day is Thursday. If they got a telegram now they ought to get it in the mail to-morrow easily enough. It comprises some 600 names, I believe. Senator Reed. All right. Did you ever have any consultation yourself, or did any of your agents have any consultation, with Mr. Hays in regard to this book ? Mr. Barnes. I never did ; but I think Mr. Young did. Senator Reed. As a matter of fact, Mr. Young carried with him, did he not, the official indorsement of this enterprise by Mr. Hays? Mr. Barnes. I can not testify to Avliat Mr. Young did. I am under the impression that Mr. Hays wrote a letter a couple of years ago about the " dummy," but I am not quite sure. I think that he must haA^e. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAKJN EXPENSES. 2425 Senator Reed. Will 3^011 produce that dummy that was used for subscription purposes ? " Mr. Barnes. Certainly, if you want it. Senator Reed. Have you it here ? Mr. Barnes. No, sir. Senator Reed. Will you wire and get that also ? Mr. Barnes. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. It will save our sending for Mr. Young if you will get it. The Chairman. Where is Mr. Young, Mr. Barnes? Mr. Barnes. He lives at Monclair, N. J., and has the office I testi- fied. Senator Reed. By a dummy," as I understand you, you mean a prospectus of a book, showing the character of its binding, and so forth, and in a general way shoAving something that will represent the book in its form and size, and so forth, which the agents carry about from place to place ? Mr. Barnes. Certainly. Senator Reed. I will thank you if you will get that. With that • information* I have no more questions to ask. Senator Pomerene. I wanted to make a suggestion in regard to this. Mr. Barnes seems to feel that we are inquiring into a personal enterprise. I want to call his attention to one or two matters here. A statement was made by Mr. Barnes on yesterday that the com- mittee got no part of this fund. This subscription list which was introduced contains this statement: We, the iindersi^jned, appreciate the necessity of restoring to power the Re- publican Party and approve the widespread distribution of militant propaganda under the direction of Hon. William Barnes. To that end we herewith pledge our moral and tinancial support. That indicates on its face that it is political propaganda and not a personal enterprise. The subscription which is given here on page 1470 says : The undersigned subscribes the sum of $200 toward the expense of publica- tion and circulation of your proposed book entitled " Republicanism of 1920," and herewith tenders check, drawn to the order of the Journal Co., in payment of same. Later on, on page 1471, appears the following: New Yoek City, N. Y., January 20, 1920. The undersigned subscribes the sum of $1,000 for the expense and publication and circulation of your proposed book entitled " Republicanism of 1920." and herewith tenders clieck drawn to the order of the Journal Co. in payment of same. Signed by John D. Rockefeller. That same subscription here is signed by other representative Re- publicans — all of w^hich seems to indicate that this was a political enterprise and not a personal enterprise. For that reason it becomes very important that this committee should investigate and have the exact facts. It is not with a view of getting into your personal affairs at all. More than that, there is another fact which indicates clearly that it is a political matter, because of your statement of yesterday which was to the effect that you did not publish the book until after you got the speeches of acceptance in it. * 2426 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. So I think you ought to see that the committee is not going beyond its jurisdiction when it takes up a subject of this kind. Mr. Barnes. I want to put into the record with reference to page 1470 that I do not know anything about this paragraph. I never saw it and it is not on this matter which I left here yesterday. Senator Pomerene. Let me ask, for the benefit of the committee, who has custody of these varous papers, etc., connected Avith the Journal Co.? Mr. Barnes. I do not quite know Avhat you mean. Senator Pomerene. In whose charge would these papers be, re- lating to this business venture or political venture or whatever it is ? Mr. Barnes. The business manager of the Journal, of course. Senator Pomerene. Who is he? Mr. Barnes. Robert D. Waters. Senator Pomerene. At Albany? Mr. Barnes. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. You have given us Mr. Young's address? Mr. Barnes. Yes. Senator Pomerene. That is all I care to inquire into. Mr. Barnes. Did the stenographer get my statement in regard to page 1470 ? Because I have never seen that before, and I do not know what it is. Senator Pomerene. Have you never seen these Mr. Barnes. Oh, yes ; I left those here yesterday. Senator Pomerene. You have answered before I completed my question. Have you ever seen these thousand-dollar subscriptions which are referred to on page 1471 ? Mr. Barnes. I have seen the blanks. Senator Pomerene. You did not bring one of those with you. did you? Mr. Barnes. Yes ; I did ; I left them here yesterday, two of them. And in that connection last night you may recall that there was a discussion about a third form of contract, and I would like to put in evidence Mr. Young's telegram, to whom I wired last night. Slay I read this, Mr. Chairman? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. Barnes (reading) : William Barnes, New Willard Hotel. No other contracts other than the contract T gave you were used or author- ized. Senator Reed. I am going to object to reading that in as not being evidence, because we have seen photostatic copies of the contract; and if Mr. Young is going to make a statement of that kind through a telegram, he Avill have to come here and make it under oath, so far as I am concerned. Mr. Barnes. I Avould like to see that cleared up. I do not believe there is any such thing. Senator Beed. You said j^esterday they might have taken these contracts and changed them and photographed them. I sav asfain that if the ^Vorld Co. did that Mr. Barnes. I would like to know it, Senator, myself. Senator Reed. So would I. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2427 Mr. Barnes. When were these photostatic copies to be here, may I ask? Senator Eeed. We just made this discovery. We supposed they were with the printer. Mr. Barnes. You have not got them at all ? Senator Reed. Undoubtedly the stenographer who took the evi- dence and made up the record in Chicago must have them. I have no doubt they will be found. Mr. Barnes. I should be very much obliged if I could see them. Senator Eeed. We will try to get them. Mr. Barnes. I believe there has been a fraud perpetrated on some- body. I am to send in a complete list of the subscribers by name and the amounts paid to the Journal Co., and the amount of commission paid to Mr. Young? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. Pomerene. Let us have no misunderstanding there. By the word " subscription " or " subscribers " we mean particularly those who have subscribed funds toward this enterprise. Mr. Barnes. That is what I say — the name of each person, and the amount. Senator Reed. My statement covered it ; but lest there should be any mistake let me repeat. I want every dollar that went into this enterprise and every pledge of every dollar from any source whatsoever; the name of the man who gave it, and the amount he gave, and the kind of contract he signed, if there is any difference in the forms of contract. In other words, we Avant the record here, Mr. Barnes. Mr. Barnes. All right, sir; I will be very glad to give it. The Chairman. Did smj part of this money go to the Republican national committee, directly or indirectly? Mr. Barnes. None. The Chairman. None at all? Mr. Barnes. No. Senator Reed. You do not know what Mr. Young did with his part of it, do you? Mr. Barnes. I do not knoAv. I know very well what he did with it ; he lived on it for two years and paid his solicitors, and paid his rent, telephone, and so on. The Chairman. Mr. Young really knows more about it than you ? Mr. Barnes. I suppose he does. He knows the details of it. Senator Reed. The amount that went to the Journal Co. the Jour- nal Co. kept for itself ? Mr. Barnes. What is that ? Senator Reed. The Journal kept for itself all that it did not turn over to Mr. Young ? Mr. Barnes. Certainly. But in the sense, of course, that we have got to pay the expenses of publication Senator Reed. Oh, I understand that. You have gotten out how many books to date ? Mr. Barnes. I really can not answer that. Senator Reed. About how many? Mr. Barnes. They were promised 500. I do not know whether they were delivered. 2428 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. How many are ordered ? Mr. Barnes. Fifteen hundred, so far. Senator Reed. Of course, the book will have largely lost its im- mediate usefulness when the campaign is over ? Mr. Barnes.. Well, I do not know. It is a pretty good book. Senator Reed. Opinions might differ about that. But it is largely taken up with political propaganda for this campaign. It might be of use in others. The point I am making is this, that if there are only fifteen hun- dred ordered I think we may safely assume that that is all that are going to be offered. Mr. Barnes. Of course, I want it distinctly understood for my OAvn benefit that it is absolutely impossible to get the work done. I had hoped to order a good many, but I can not get the paper nor get the work done. The book was expected to be out in July. The Chairman. I would like to have it made perfectly clear about the signatures. On this form appear the names of Mr. Taft, Mr. Root, Mr. Depew, Mr. Hughes, and others. Did a number of men sign a statement of that kind, or is this taken from the different signatures and the different pledges and made up in that form? I do not think it is entirely clear. Mr. Barnes. I went to Mr. Hendrick and said, " Do you know anything about this pledge business they have been talking about in Chicago ? " He said, " I do not know. I Avill go down and see what they have done down there." He brought this back. I do not know how they got them or anything about them. Senator Reed. Mr. Barnes, the subscription lists which we saw photostatic copies of contain these names and many others, and contain set opposite the names the amount of the subscription, with a different heading. Is it not a fact that in order to help the agent these papers were prepared and those names photographed on simply as indorsers? Mr. Barnes. I suppose so. Senator Pomerene. Was the amount opposite ? Mr. Barnes. They are to get business. That is what they are for. Senator Pomerene. That is, with the amount of the subscription set opposite? Senator Edge. A number of these men did not subscribe any amount, as I understand it. They simply indorsed the work. Is that not correct ? Mr. Barnes. I think so ; yes. The Chairman. That is all, Mr. Barnes. I will call Dr. Claxton. TESTIMONY OF MR. PHILANDER P. CLAXTON. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) The Chairman. Doctor, we want to inquire a little about charges of propaganda in some of your publications. Mr. Claxton. What are the charges, Mr. Chairman ? The Chairman. It has been called to our attention, or to my at- tention, at least, by an editorial in the Cinnati Times Star of recent PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2429 date in which particular attention is called to the publication known as School Life, issued by your department. Mr. Claxton. The Bureau of Education. The Chairman. You are the Commissioner of Education? Mr. Claxton. Yes, sir; the Commissioner of Education, Depart- ment of the Interior. The Chairman. For how many years ? Mr. Claxton. Since Jul}", 1911. The Chaieman. In School Life appears this editorial — appar- ently an editorial — with relation to Gov. Cox and his interest in education. That is the particular editorial to which I call your attention first. Mr. Claxton. Mr. Chairman, School Life is issued and has been issued for about two years by the Bureau of Education for tw^o . purposes : First, to give to school officers. State, county, and local, and to some extent to school-teachers, information in regard to edu- cation throughout the world. Into it goes summaries of larger pub- lications of the bureau, such information as is very valuable, w^e think, but not of sufficient importance to be put into these large bulletins, and we believe that it is good for school officers to know what is going an in education elsewhere. Second, for the purpose of promoting what we think to be desir- able tendencies in education for propaganda of a certain kind. Within the last year there has been a very great shortage of teachers due to lack of money. The cost of living and wages in other lines of life and occupations have increased 100 per cent or more, but, as Ave knoAv, the salaries of teachers have increased on an average of less than 45 per cent, probably. As a result there were larger numbers of schools without teachers The Chairman. Really, that is very interesting, but Mr. Claxton. It does have to do with it. May I make that state- ment? The Chairman. Certainly. Mr. Claxton. It has to do w^ith it. A great many schools were without teachers, and therefore the Bureau of Education undertook to make a Nation-wide campaign for the improvement of schools and for more money, and held in May or June — in May, I believe — here in Washington — what we called a national citizens' conference on education — not of teachers, not of eductors primarily, but citi- zens. Out of that has grown a number of State campaigns, and all over the country efforts are being made to get larger appropriations for the schools. We haA^e learned — I have, I am sure, long ago — that that can be done by putting before the masses of laj^men, not teachers, primarily, what is done, what is said or what is thought of education and educational movements, the needs for schools pre- sented by lawmen, and especially by those whom the people look to as their leaders. For that reason, this year, after that conference was held, and the conventions were held, School Life undertook to put impartially The Chairman. School Service, too. Is there a school paper called that? Mr. Claxton. No; that was discontinued. That was conducted during the war. The Chairman. By your department? 2430 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Claxtox. No; not primarily. It started in the so-called Creel committee. After that was discontinued it came to the Bureau of Education with an allotment to be continued for the remainder of that year and was discontinued at the end of the year. Senator Reed. How much was that allotment that came over to continue Mr. Creel's eductional activities? The Chairman. This particular one of School Service. Mr. Claxton. I was going to make that statement; $150,000, al- together, came for several purposes. The Chairman. For School Service? Mr. Claxton. School Service, approximately $75,000 — about $70,- 000. That has nothing to do with this. Senator Reed. What I want to know is how much came over to continue the work of the Creel bureau ? Was that $150,000 ? Mr. Claxton. There came in definitely to continue the work of . the Creel bureau and for educational extension, which Avas another form of work from what was done in Creel's bureau, and was allotted by the President for the continuation of School Service another $150,000. It cost about $70,000 to continue for the rest of the year School Service, and it w^as then discontinued. Senator Reed. W^as School Service a Creel activity ? Mr. Claxton. School Service was published by the Creel bureau. The Chairman. We are going to take up School Service, Senator. I have some copies of it here. I would like to finish this and go to School Service. How many copies of School Life are published? Mr. Claxton. About 40,000; twice a month. The Chairman. Where do they go ? Mr. Claxton. They go to school officers — State, county, and local — to principals of high schools, and to some teachers. The Chairman. Forty thousand? Mr. Claxton. About 40,000. Senator Pomerene. I was going to ask the date of this particular issue to which you referred originally in your first questions. The Chairman. September 1, 1920. Mr. Claxton. September 1 ; yes. The Chairman. Do you have articles from other men or as to other men Mr. Claxton. I was going to make that statement, Mr. Chairman. The Chairman. Maybe Ave Avill get along faster if I ask you the questions. What other men? Mr. Claxton. First, there Avas a statement in the July 1 issue. There Avas contained an extract from the Republican platform on education. It is on page 10 of that issue. The Chairman. Let me see that, please. Mr. Claxton. On August 15 there were extracts pertaining to edu- cation, taken from the Democratic platform and from the Repub- lican platform. The Chairman. What is the date of that? Mr. Claxton. August 15. In the same issue are letters, complete or partly complete, from Senator Harding, from Gov. Cox, from Roosevelt, and from Gov. Coolidge. Those letters Avere written to me at the time of this conference to which I referred. The Chairman. What is the date of the publication? Mr. Claxton. This is August 15. PRESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGX EXPENSES. 2431 The Chairman. May I look at it ? Mr. Claxtox. Yes, sir : these letters were written to me. with the exception of the one from Mr. Roosevelt, at the time of the confer- ence. These gentlemen, members of the Senate and others, were invited to this conference, some of them to participate in it, and they were asked, if they could not attend, to write letters to be published to help forward this campaign for the improvement of the schools. Senator Harding wrote a letter, which is here; Gov. Cox wrote a letter The Chairman. That is August 15 ? Mr. Claxton. The letter was not August 15 ; that is the issue. The Chairman. You set out on this page the Harding and Cox letters and the Roosevelt and Coolidge letters side by side ? Mr. Claxton. I did, yes. Then in that same issue is a summary of a speech by Congressman Simeon D. Fess, which was made at Salt Lake City. It has reference to the same thing — education for patri- otic citizens. He made a plea for the better support of the schools. On page 6 of that same number, Mr. Chairman, are extracts from the platforms of the Democratic Party in Tennessee, the Republican Party of the same State, and a pronouncement of the Federation of Labor and the so-called platform of the league of women voters, be- cause Tennessee is in a group of States that are more or less back- ward in education, for reasons that we know, and are making great efforts to improve their condition. It was believed that this, going to persons in those States who are particularly interested in this, would be helpful to show them the stand that the State of Tennessee is taking. That is page 6. On page 11 of the same number is an extract from a letter by Edwin P. Morrow, governor of Kentuck3% because Kentucky is making a great effort : and he makes a plea here for The Chairman. You set forth a number of govei*iiors on page 11 ? Mr. Claxton. Yes, sir; and on page 11 there are letters from governors that were received at that particular time I referred to. AVhen these letters were asked for they were told that they Avould be read — as most of them were — at the conference and would afterwards be published in some form. We are now in the process of getting out the proceedings of that conference as a kind of campaign for education. The Chairman. Was the September 1 issue the next one after August 15 ? Mr. Claxton. The September 1 issue would be the next one after August 15. The Chairman. Up to that time you had apparently been setting forth all parties and all positions very fairly. Mr. Claxton. Yes. The Chairman. The article with relation to Gov. Cox seems to be an editorial on September 1. Have you any editorial with reference to Senator Harding's views? Mr. Claxton. I have not. • The Chairman. How did that happen? Mr. Claxton. It happened in this way. It was my purpose, hav- ing set forth these, to not put forth any more. It is a rule or under- stood in the office that all copy coming into School Life should go to 2432 PRESIDEN-TIAL CAMPAIGIvr EXPENSES. the Commissioner of Education. We lost our editor about the 1st of June — — The Chairman (interposing). Now, Mr. Claxton Mr. Claxton. One minute. The Chairman. We want to get a chance once in a while. We afe willing to give you two-thirds of the time, but we do want to ask a question once in a while. Are you through about the loss of the editor? Mr. Claxton. You asked how this got in. Senator Reed. How what got in? The Chairman. Let us read the article first and see Avhat there is to it. Senator Edge. Are you referring to the editorial? The Chairman. The editorial on page 8 of the issue of September i, which says : Gov. James M. Cox, in his speecli accepting the nomination as Democratic candidate for the Presidency, emphasized the need of awakened interest in education. He stated that the depleted ranl^s of the school-teachers demand action to provide increased pay, and that the existence of five and one-half millions of illiterates, 1,600,000 of whom are foreign horn, proves the need of greater opportunity for education. Any encroachment on local control by the Federal Government was con- demned because of the danger to State and community initiative. The study by the Central Government of the progress of education and the stimulation of public interest in the subject received his hearty indorsement. In a recent letter to the Commissioner of Elducation, Gov. Cox wrote: "You 'may rest assured that my interest in the cause of education will never lag." Did you not have similar statements from Senator Harding? Mr. Claxton. I did not. The Chairman. You have the letter of Senator Harding which you published on August 15, together with that of Gov. Cox? Mr. Claxton. Yes. The Chairman. How^ does it happen you took one of them and commented on it favorably and yet said nothing about the other ? Mr. Claxton. May I answer first your first question? The first question was how that got in. I was going to state it was my pur- pose that no other matter, at least at that time, should go in School Life. The new editor was on his vacation and his assistant had not understood, apparently, that all matter in School Life should be referred first to the commissioner. In my absence it came to the chief clerk, and the chief clerk ordered its printing, approved it, and it went down to the Printing Office. I came back and asked for the copy, and she said it had gone to the Printing Office, and brought page proofs. I immediately said, "There is an article that ought not to go in. Will you not see that it is held up and t-aken out before it is printed " ; but she found that it was already printed. I asked the editor about it when he returned, and he said he was wholly without any desire or thought of partisan propaganda, but that he searched through Mr. Harding's letter or speech of acceptance and found nothing at all in regard to it that he could use. I have not read it recently, I think; I did read it when it came out, and he had put that in. The chiefly objectionable part is the quotation from a letter to me which was a personal one. PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2433 The Chairman. Of course, the editorial was calculated to arouse interest among school-teachers in the Cox campaign. Mr. Claxton. For that reason also — that is, in the individual. School Life is wholly nonpartisan or could not be for either side. The Chairman. I think we will try to keep it that way. Coming- back to National School Service Senator Reed. May I ask a question about this before you leave School Life ? You spoke of Senator Harding's letter and said there was not anything so favorable as in Gov. Cox's letter. Mr. Claxton. No ; in his speech of acceptance. Senator Reed. But here is his letter, in which he says : One can only feel amazement that we have been so tardy in coming to a realization of the scant consideration given to the teachers in the American public schools. AVe have been remiss in understanding the limitless possibilities of our public-school work. Then he calls attention to the fact that he has asked to have Span- ish taught in the public schools. Mr. Claxton. It was merely a good letter. Senator Edge. Of course, you differentiate betAveen Senator Hard- ing's speech of acceptance and his letter? Mr. Claxton. Yes. Senator EdCxE. This editorial in the last paragraph refers particu- larly to " a recent letter received by the Commissioner of Education," so therefore this letter would certainl}^ be properly referred to and commented on, of Gov. Cox, leaving out the speeches of acceptance. Mr. Claxton. The letter there is from Gov. Cox. Senator Edge. And that letter is from Senator Harding? Mr. Claxton. That letter came to me at the time of the conference in May at the same time a telegram came from Gov. Cox, and the two were printed side by side. Senator Edge. I understand that; but you refer in this editorial not to the speeches of acceptance of either candidate — you do refer to candidate Cox — but you then refer to a recent letter received from Gov. Cox. Mr. Claxton. That Avas one of the reasons Avhy I objected Avhen I found it Avas in ; but it was impossible to take it out. The letter Avas a personal letter written to me and was in a personal file. The editor, who has access to the files to see what there is of importance that might be valuable, found that. I haA^e said in my statement that knoAving of his interest in education that aa^c are the educators Avould expect that he Avould faA^or the promotion of schools. The Chairman. We will now pass to the National School Service matter. You say that came OA^er to you from the Creel bureau ? Mr. Claxton. Yes; about November, I think. The Chairman. Of what year? Mr. Claxton. NoA^ember or December, after the armistice in 1918. The Chairman. Hoav long did you continue the publication ? Mr. Claxton. Continued it until May. The Chairman. You had $150,000 for that? Mr. Claxton. No ; $150,000 for that and the Educational Extension Service and Community Organization. The Chairman. How much of it Avas deA^oted to the National School Service? 182774— 20— PT 18 2 2434 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Claxtox. I think about $70,000 The Chairman. About one-half of it? Mr. Claxton. Yes. It continued, however, under the same group, of editors that they had while it was with the Creel bureau. The Chairman. Who were they? Mr. Claxton. I think Dr. Bagley was the chief one. I do not remember them all. The Chairman. Mr. Searson? Mr. Claxton. He was the managing editor here. Then, there was a group of Dr. Bagley, of Columbia University, and others, who made up an advisory committee. The Chairman. How was School Service circulated ? Did that go to the teachers of the country? Mr. Claxton. School Service went to approximately 650,000 teach- ers. There was a list, which they made up from a list which we had in the bureau, of all schoolhouses in the United States and practi- cally the number of teachers in each one. The Chairman. Who else did it go to? Mr. Claxton. Probably to a number of State and county school officers. The Chairman. What would you say as to the volume of its edi- tion? Mr. Claxton. It was about 650,000. The Chairman. Was that a weekly publication? Mr. Claxton. T^vice a month, I think. The Chairman. Have you seen the report of the Joint Committee on Printing as to some of these matters ? Mr. Claxton. I do not know that I have. The Chairman. For the year ending March 1, 1920, Senate Docu- ment 265. I want to read a little of it as preliminary to some ques- tions on this National School Service. Mr. Claxton. Very well. The Chairman. This is from the report of the Joint Committee on Printing, page 15 : For example, the committee found that an et¥ort was being made to fill Gov- ernment periodicals with articles in support of the League of Nations as pro- posed at Versailles. These articles were appearing with such regularity as to attract the attention of the committee and others, while no articles were being printed on the other side of the controversy. The proleague propaganda even went so far as to print a partisan proleague address by the Secretary of War in a naval training station paper in which was also conspicuously printed the following indorsement by the commandant of the station : " I have read Secretary of War Baker's address and recommend it for reading by every man in the Navy." Again, on page 26 : But the underlying purpose of the National School Service — And that is the paper we are now referring to — seems to have been to convert the teachers of the country to the idea of a League of Nations and to urge them to teach that doctrine to their school chil- dren. This was boldly stated in the issue of May 1, 1919, under the heading, " War lessons the schools should continue to teach," where, among the 10 les- sons listed, was that of " Cultivation of the League of Nations attitude of mind for all." An editorial in the same issue also contained the significant comment that "Against the narrow and selfish type of nationalism the Great War has been fought and won," with the concluding statement that " It is this spirit that PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2435 will dominate the American pnblic school and determine its policies and prac- tices." ►Still another interesting item in the same issue of the National School Service was the announcement that when the Creel committee ceased to function it turned over the distribution of its publications to the World Peace Foundation, of Boston, which would continue to supply the schools and colleges with the Creel propaganda. Do you know anything about that? Mr. Claxtox. No, sir ; I do not know what became of it. The Chairman. I call joiir attention to National School Service, issue of May 1, 1919. Was it then being conducted by your depart- ment ? Mr. Claxtox. Yes. The Chairmax. On page 4 is an article covering half a page on the League of Nations. Senator Keed. Upon which side? The Chairmax. They are all on one side. Senator Reed. On which side? The Chairmax. For the League of Nations. This is headed, " The League of Nations — Official summary of the text of the pro- posed League of Nations as issued from Paris." In the editorial of that date headed " The new problem " was this statement : Against the nai'row and selfish tj-pe of nationalism the Great War has been fought and won. Then on page 9 it is said : War lessons the schools should continue to teach. First, the study of the history of the Great AVar. Second, the study and practice of thrift. Then there are others on down to No. 10. No. 10 is, " Cultivation of the League of Nations attitude of mind for all." That went out to 600,000 school teachers in the United States ? Mr. Claxtox. I suppose so. The Chairmax. As Government expense:' Mr. Claxtox. Probably in that month not quite so many: but it makes no difference, because the schools were closed and it was cut down to some extent, I think. The Chairmax^. On page 16 I notice the statement : AVhen the domestic activities of the Committee on Public Information ceased the remaining stock of its valuable war publications was turned over to tlie Comimttee on Education and Special Training of the AVar Department. These publications are now distributed by the World Peace Foundation, 40 Mount Vernon Street, Boston. Do you know who are the officers of that Peace Foundation ? Mr. Claxtox. No; I do not. Edwin D. Meade was connected with it. and I belicA^e David Starr Jordan was connected Avith it. The Chatr^iax. Did they continue to publish it ? Mr. Claxtox. I do not know. Senator Reed. Who Avas the second man you mentioned ? Mr. Claxtox. I belieA^e David Starr Jordan Avas connected Avith it. The Chairmax. This says, further: While the supply lasts high schools, normal schools, colleges, and universi- ties may obtain these publications for free distribution to students of history and current events by paying carriage charges. These publications are dis- tributed in quantities only, and should be ordered at once by those wishing their students to study the best available authentic war publications. 2436 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The follows a list of booklets published by the World Peace Foun- dation. Was this propaganda for the League of Nations carried on through this publication constantly? Mr. Claxtox. I am sorry that I must say that I do not know the character of that paper as I should, and can not answer your ques- tions quite so definitely. The appropriation for that or the allot- ment was made to the Secretary of the Interior. The CiiAiR^rAN. That is, the allotment was made by the President? Mr. Claxtox. By tlie President to the Secretary of the Interior, with the understanding that School Service should continue. There was already an editorial staff. They moved their offices down to the Interior Building. My offices, the Bureau of Education, are in the Pension Office Building. There was not room for them in the Inte- rior Building. The Secretary put this whole matter very largely under the direction of Mr. Herbert Kaufman, who was at that time an assistant to the Secretary, I think. The Chairmax. Did he have anything to do with it? Mr. Claxtox. I do not know to what extent. He complained that matter was not always submitted to him and that he was unable to do with it just as he would like. But it did not come definiteh^ and regu- larly, let me say, into the hands of the Commissioner of Education. The material w as not submitted to me. The whole purpose, as I understand, of School Service, while it was continued by the Creel committee and afterwards when it came to the Secretary of the Interior, was to give to teachers and through them to students throughout the country, pupils in the school, information in regard to the war. I understood that to be the purpose, and from time to time summaries of what had taken place, and I suppose that the editor of it. Dr. Bagley, I think, reviewed the editorial matter. I suppose his purpose was to set forth what had taken place at Paris. The Chair :m AX. Do you know about other Government publica- tions ? Mr. Claxtox. I do not. The Chairmax. Whether they contained like propaganda. Mr. Claxtox. I do not know of any. I am sure, so far as the Bureau of Education was concerned, that it was not its purpose to support any propaganda for anything except education. Senator Eeed. Has this publication that contains this propaganda in regard to the League of Nations been discontinued? Mr. Claxtox. That was discontinued in May, 1919. Senator Reed. Why? Mr. Claxtox. There was no further allotment for it. I have be- lieved it would be good if there were such a thing to go to the teach- ers and the schools. Senator Eeed. Containing these arguments? Mr. Claxtox. Not containing any argument, but just a good news service. Senator Reed. What is the matter with the teachers reading the public newspapers ? Mr. Cj.axtox. They do not always get just the facts. Senator Reed. Are they not intelligent enough to glean the facts out of the public new^spapers the same as other people? Mr. Claxtox, I should think so ; but this would give a better sum- mary of it. PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2437 The Chairman. They would take this as the Government's posi- tion on everything? Mr. Claxton. I do not know whether they would or not. I am sure the Government would not, under my administration in the bureau, regularly take any side on any question. The Chairman. What does No. 10 mean, " Cultivation of the League of Nations attitude of mind for all " ? Mr. Claxton. I suj^pose it means what it says. The Chairman. I do not think the language is very clear. Mr. Claxton. I hrid not seen that, I think, at all. I do not believe I ever savr that. Senator Edge. If I may ask a question just a little apart from the investigation, you made the statement a moment ago that you thought it would be of great service to teachers to continue it. In the interest of overlapping — we are all interested in Government service being improved — don't you think such publications should be consolidated f Do you think it wise for the Government to continue the two pub- lications of quite similar import ? Mr. Claxton. What two ? Senator Edge. The publication known as School Life and the publication known as School Service. Mr. Claxton. This is not at all intended for children. It is not intended to give information about governmental affairs, but the news of the world. It is only an educational matter for school officers and to some extent school-teachers. Senator Edge. One of the Aveaknesses of the Government system is the lack of concentration, and I am simply bringing it up, a little apart from our investigation, that as the head of an important bureau, if each subject is important — and perhaps it is; I do not question that — do 3^ou not think the}^ could be combined, and thus the Government expense to some extent be decreased ? Mr. Claxton. I do not think so, because it would make it twice as much, and it would not get a large amount of matter to people who had already a supply elsewhere. Senator Edge. That seems to be the prevailing opinion among Government officials. Mr. Claxton. I believe that School Service, started for the sake of helping forAvard the interests of the war, was a good publication. The Chairmax. Are you familiar with other Government publica- tions that have been used for propaganda on various things ? Mr. Claxton. I am not. The Chairman. Do you knoAV anything about the Official Bulletin that was issued ? Mr. Claxton. I saw that rather regularly. The Chairman. You saw it rather irregularly? Mr. Claxton. Eegularly. It came to my office but it was not always read. The Chairman. I notice in this report of the Joint Committee on Printing this statement : When it became evident to Creel and Rochester that the Bulletin was not to be continued as a governmental organ, there seems to have been a deliberate effort to loot this $600,000 a year publication. Do you know what that was costing the Government ? 2438 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Claxton. I do not ; I have no knowledge except what I have seen. The Chairman. The statement continues : A ^ai'.g of safe blowers could liurdly have createLl more havoc in a country bank than did these Government employees in the office of the Official Bulletin when the final word was given that Uncle Sam had refused to continue as their benevolent paymaster. You do not know much about that ? Mr. Claxtcx. No connection with it at alL The Chaiijman. Do you know anything about the Great Lakes Bulletin, which was issued at Government expense ? Mr. Claxton. I do not. The Chaikman. I notice in the Great Lakes Bulletin of May 12, 1919, an address delivered by Secretary of War Xewton Baker before the League of Nations mass meeting, held in Tremont Temple, Bos- ton, Mass., as to which Rear Admiral Frederick B. Bassett states: I have read Secretary of War Baker's address and reconnnend it for reading by every man in the Navy. Do you know hoAv many people that went to ? Mr. Claxton. I have not any idea. The Chairman. The Great Lakes Bulletin was published at public expense ? Mr. Claxton. I do not know. The Chairman. You do not know anything about that ? Mr. Claxton. No. The Chairman. Who could tell us about that ? Mr. Claxton. I suppose the editor. Senator Reed. Who is the editor ? Mr. Claxton. I do not know. The Chairman. The editor is Leo Fisher. Again the Great Lakes Bulletin of Monday, May 19, 1919, sets out in full an extract from an address on the League of Nations by Josephus Daniels, Secretary of the Navy. Do you know anything about these publications? Mr. Claxton. No ; I do not. The Chairman. It seems there were a great many bulletins being issued by the Government in Avhich propaganda was going out for the League of Nations, and one of them was in your department evi- dently — the National School Service ? Mr. Claxton. Yes; in the way I said. I suppose I am officially responsible, but I never have been able to assume full responsibility because of the way in which that came, and it was not definitely organized in the bureau. The Chairman. You might have the excuse too that all the other bureaus nearly were doing the same thing. Mr. Claxton. I am making no excuse. Senator Reed. I notice you do say Avith regard to this one article that you regretted it being in the paper. You therefore recognize that it is not a proper thing to take Government money and use it for propaganda upon disputed political questions. Mr. Claxton. It was not intended to be political propaganda at all, so the editor who wrote it assured me. Senator Reed. You recognize that? Mr. Claxton. I fully do ; yes, sir. PPvESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2439 Senator Reed. You try to avoid it in your publication ? Mr. Claxtox. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. You spoke about excerpts from larger publications ; that is, that jou had condensed matter from larger publications? What are those larger publications ? Mr. Claxton. The Bureau of Education published annually a report of about 200 pages and biannuall}^ a summary or survey of education in the United States and the world for our use, and in addition to that it publishes about 60 bulletins a year on various subjects, sometimes reports or surveys of school systems in States or cities. Senator Pomerene. Educational? ' Mr. Claxton. Always educational. We are permitted to publish them in editions of not more than 12,500. It will sometimes take more than that to meet the individual wants of the public, and so we republish them in summarized form. Senator Reed. You spoke about .money being allotted by the President for these publications. What fund does that come out of ? Mr. Claxton. For the national security and defense. Senator Reed. Was that then a part of his war fund? Mr. Claxton. Part of the war fund. Senator Reed. Was that part of a hundred million dollars put in the President's hands ? Mr. Claxton. Was it $100,000,000 or $50,000,000? Whatever the amount was ; yes. Senator Reed. So that this Creel publication that has been re- ferred to, which finally was turned over to your management and which Avas then discontinued, was supported out of the $100,000,000 which Congress gave the President for a war emergency, and there never was an appropriation by Congress definitely for the particular publication. Mr. Claxton. I suppose that was considered as a war emergency ; that by publishing that and sending it to the teachers and schools it was helpful. It w^as filled with suggestions or statements about Liberty loans, the Red Cross, or something of that kind. Senator Reed. But the Congress did not appropriate money for the particular purpose. It gave the President a lump sum which he used? Mr. Claxton. Which he used at his discretion. Senator Reed. I just wanted to exonerate Congress from any part in that procedure; that is all. You spoke about a meeting or con- ference being held here in Washington. Who composed the confer- ence — that is, what class of people? Mr. Claxton. It was made up of tw^o or three classes of people. First, of prominent educators throughout the country, presidents of universities, of colleges, of normal schools, State and county super- intendents of schools and city superintendents. Then we had gover- nors; there were four of five governors of States here. All were invited. Members of Congress were there and two at least addressed the conference. The British ambassador appeared and the repre- sentative of the French embassy ; but very largely, chiefly, about two- thirds probably of all the persons present were citizens, laymen. I asked the governor of each State to give me the names or to appoint prominent citizens to attend the conference. 2440 PEESIDENTIAL. CAMPAIGN- EXPENSES. Senator Reed. Who called this conference ? Mr. Claxton. The commissioner of education. Senator Reed. Was there any expense connected with it ? Mr. Claxton. No, sir ; except the printing finally of the report of the proceedings of the conference. Senator Reed. That was printed by the Government ? Mr. Claxton. That will be printed by the Government. Senator Reed. By what authority was the conference called? Mr. Claxton. By the authority which the Commissioner of Edu- cation has to call such a conference. Senator Reed. Is he given any definite authority to call a con- ference of people from all over the United States; and if so, where is the law for it ? Mr." Claxton. The act creating the Bureau of Education re- quired that the Commissioner of Education shall assist the States in establishing and mxaintaining efficient schools or systems of edu- cation and otherwise to promote the cause of education. Senator Reed. You are proceeding under that general clause? Mr. Claxton. Under that general clause. Senator Reed. Then you printed the proceedings of this gath- ering ? Mr. Claxton. Yes. Senator Reed. How much of a book did that make ? Mr. Claxton. It is not printed yet. It is just ready for the printer. It Avill make probably 100 pages or less. Senator Reed. There was no one's expenses paid ? Mr. Claxton. No one's expenses were paid. There was an ex- pense for a hall, which the Secretary of the Interior and I together shared. Senator Reed. The whole expense was not large ? Mr. Claxton. The whole expense, so_ far as the bureau was con- cerned, nothing except the work of the stenographers and the mail- ing clerks in the office and the stationery and the printing. Senator Reed. How many of these reports will you send out ? Mr. Claxton. We are permitted to send only 12,500 copies. Senator Reed. Were there any speeches made there at this meet- ing that dealt with any of the political or semipolitical subjects of the day outside of purely educational matters ? Mr. Claxton. I think none at all. I do not remember any. It will be edited out if there should be. Senator Reed. As I understand you, the policy you are trying to pursue, and that you have pursued where the matter, has come under your personal direction, is that of confining yourselves absolutely to educational matters ? Mr. Claxton. That is the charter of the bureau, and I have always taken it for granted that all parties are equally interested. Senator Pomerene. I believe this is a fair question to put to you. I assume that w^hen this editorial was printed what you or your edi- tor had chiefly in mind was the cause of education and not propa- ganda for or against any particular candidate. Mr. Claxton. I think absolutely so, sir. Senator Pomerene. If Senator Harding had written a letter bear- ing on that same subject, it probably would have been treated in substance the same way ? PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2441 Mr. Claxton. Oh, just as readily, sir. Senator Pomerene. Just as readily? Mr. Claxton. Yes. Senator Pomerene. I observe that in this issue, where the letters of Senator Harding and Gov. Cox are printed, Senator Harding's letter appears in the first column. Were you tr^dng to show him any favoritism by reason of that fact? Mr. Claxton. On the other side Mr. Roosevelt's letter appears in the first column. Senator Pomerene. So that, as a matter of fact, to make a long story short, it was the interest of education and not the interest it bore against either candidate that suggested the publication of these articles or editorials? Mr. Claxton. Altogether, sir. The Chairman. That is all. We are very much obliged to you, Mr. Claxton. (Witness excused.) FURTHER TESTIMONY OF MR. WILLIAM BARNES. At this point Mr. Barnes informally made the following statement : Mr. Barnes. I have just called up my office, and they tell me over the telephone that the total amount received was $73,675. Senator Pomerene. Do you mean that that was the amount re- ceived for the account of the Journal Publishing Co.? Mr. Barnes. The total amount. Senator Pomerene. That did not include the 50 or 55 per cent which went to Mr. Young? Mr. Barnes. That comes out of it. Senator Pomerene. It includes that? Mr. Barnes. Yes. Of course that is not accurate, possibly; I got that over the telephone. Senator Pomerene. We understand. TESTIMONY OF MR. ALMERICO ZAPPONE. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. Senator Edge. Will you give the committee your full name and official connection? Mr. Zappone. Almerico Zappone. I am chief of the Division of Accounts and disbursing clerk of the Department of Agriculture. Senator Edge. Under your direction, as I understand it, come all vouchers of the various officials of the departments, vouchers for their expense accounts, etc. ? Mr. Zappone. Yes, sir ; that is correct. Senator Edge. What position does Mr. Harrison occupy in the De- partment of Agriculture ? Mr. Zappone. His title is assistant to the Secretary. Senator Edge. What is his first name ? Mr. Zappone. Floyd K. Harrison. Senator Edge. Have you in your possession the vouchers covering Mr. Harrison's activities during J uly and August of this year ? Mr. Zappone. I have. Senator Edge. W^ill you let me have those ? 2442 PEESIDENTIAL CAiMPAIGA^ EXPEi^SES. Mr. Zappone. Certainly. Senator Edge. I might say for the record that we are investigating various sources of expenditure, and I simply want to find out through the witness if there is any merit in the suggestion that this employee, during the time that I have referred to, was away from the business of the department upon Government expense directly connected with political activity. I thought I would anticipate any objection that might arise. Senator Reed. I am always glad to get evidence in, not to keep it out. Senator Edge. Where did Mr. Harrison go during July, 1920? Mr. Zappone. It appears from his account that he left Washington on June 18. The first large city that he stopped at was Chicago. From there he went to Des Moines, Iowa, and from there to San Francisco, Calif. Senator Edge. What date did he reach San Francisco? Mr. Zappone. He reached San Francisco on June 25, at 8 p. m. Senator Edge. How long did he remain in San Francisco according to the records? The Chairman. What was the date of the Democratic national convention ? Senator Pomerene. J une 28. Mr. Zappone. He seems to have been in San Francisco from June 25 to July 9. Senator Edge. What was the date, do you recall, of the Democratic national convention in San Francisco ? Mr. Zappone. I can not answer that. Senator Reed. Nobody knows. The Chairman. The Senator from Missouri ought to know. Senator Reed. I have been tr3dng to forget. Senator Edge. Do I infer, Senator Reed, that it is already ancient history ? Senator Reed. Oh, no. The Chairman. Can we not agree on the date of the Democratic convention ? Senator Edge. I will make the statement for the record that it was June 28. According to the records Mr. Harrison left San Francisco on July 9. That is correct, is it not ? Mr. Zappone. Yes; or probably July 8. Senator Edge. I see by the item here that he has charged his board in San Francisco, June 30, per diem, 8^ days, at $1 per day. Is that correct ? Mr. Zappone. That covers the previous 8 J days up to June 30. Senator Edge. Up to June 30? Mr. Zappone. Presumably. Senator Edge. How could he possibly do that when he did not arrive there until June 26 ? Mr. Zappone. He arrived on the 25th of June. Senator Edge. On the 30th he charges 8J days' board. Mr. Zappone. You see, he left Washington' on June 18, and that covers the intervening period from the time he left Washington. Senator Edge. The next item of per diem is July 11, lOJ days. Mr. Zappone. Yes; lOJ days, $i3. That is covering the period be- .tween the 30th of June and the 11th of July. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGJST EXPENSES. 2443 Senator Edge. That would then cover the period of the national convention ? Mr. Zappuxe. Practicalh^ that period. The convention was there iit that time. Senator Reed. While it may cover the period of the national con- vention, do vou know whether this gentleman has any business there? Senator Edge. I am going to ask those questions, Senator Reed. I want to get all the facts. Do you know from your personal connection v>^ith the depart- ment just what business this gentleman, Mr. Harrison, was engaged in at San Francisco, so far as departmental activities were con- cerned ? Mr. Zappoxe. I have reason to believe that he was on official busi- ness. The certificate on the face of that voucher so states, and I would not have i^aid the voucher if I had thought he had been on any other kind of business. riie Chairman. It was just a coincidence he happened to be there at that time ? Mr. Zappone. Yes. He accompanied the Secretary of Agriculture in both a secretarial and advisory capacity. Senator Reed. Do you understand that the Secretary of Agricul- ture was out there looking at the crops ? Mr. Zappone. I know that he was having numerous conferences with officials of the Department of Agriculture. Senator Reed. At San Francisco? Mr. Zappone. Both at San Francisco and Portland and all the cities that he visited. Senator Reed. Were there quite a number of officials of the De- partment of Agriculture that were out there for these consultations? Mr. Zappoxe. They are always there. They are permanently sta- tioned there, and just as soon as any official of the department arrives in the city they immediately get in touch with him and they discuss all the business of the department. It is just like if you are attached to a commercial concern and one of the managers or head men visits your city, you naturally get in touch with him and get all the in- formation from headquarters that you can. The Chairman. Who Avere the people that had the consultations or conferences ? Mr. Zappone. Many questions were taken up with the Secretary at that time by officials of the department. Many problems were then under discussion. Senator Reed. Did they settle most of those down in convention hall or did they meet some other place? Mr. Zappone. That, of course, I can not answer. My work is strictly fiscal work. I am afraid when you depart from that you Avill not be able to get very much from me, because I do not know. Senator Edge. Was the Secretary of Agriculture considered at that time a receptive candidate for the Presidency? Mr. Zappone. The papers so stated. Senator Edge. Was he not an announced candidate for the Presi- dency ? Mr. Zappone. Not that I am aware of. It w^as news to us when we saw the comments in the papers on that subject. 2444 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. Do your department records show any other vouch- ers of persons or any other clerks or attaches of the department at the same time at San Francisco ? Mr. Zappone. There were no other employees in the Secretary's party except the Secretary and his assistant, Mr. Harrison. Senator Edge. No stenographers? Mr. Zappone. Mr. Harrison performed any duty of that kind that might be necessary. Senator Edge. What do you have in San Francisco directly con- nected with the Department of Agriculture? Have you a branch station of any kind ? Mr. Zappone. We have a branch weather bureau office, we have a branch office of the Bureau of Animal Industry, a branch office of the Bureau of Chemistry, a branch office of the P'orestry Service, and I think also of the Bureau of Entomology, and a branch office of the Bureau of Public iioads. All the large bureaus of the department are represented in San Francisco. Senator Pomerene. Is there not a bureau there that has special charge of grape culture and citrus fruit dcA^elopment also? Mr. Zappone. You are correct. Senator. That is the Bureau of Plant Industry. They are also represented there. Senator Edge. Do your records show that Mr. Harrison previ- ously — and if so, when — made a similar trip to San Francisco? Mr. Zappone. So far as I can recall, that is the first trip he has made to San Francisco. The Chairman. The Democratic convention has not been in San Francisco for some time. Senator Edge. These departments you enumerate in great number have existed there for some time previous to 1920 ? Mr. Zappone. For some years. They all have representatiA^es, and I haA^e no doubt they all pay their respects to the Secretary and con- sult him on official business. Senator Edge. As a matter of fact, though I do not Avant to make any suggestion — in my laymen method of trying to keep within the rules of CAddence I sometimes disturb my colleague, Senator Reed — as a matter of fact, do you in your judgment, handling the details — and I ask this in spite of the fact that you made the remark a moment ago that I think is entirely right, that 3^ou Avould not pay this bill unless you thought it Avas on official service — handling the various papers of men traveling and representing the department, do you feel that this trip at this particular time Avas essential to and in the interest of the official Avork of the Department of Agriculture ? Mr. Zappone. I think so. Senator. I do not see any reason why the trip could not have been timed just then as much as it might have been made later. It is A^ery necessary that officials of the depart- ment make these trips across the country. They have to keep in touch with the work, and that is the only way it can be done. Senator Pomerene. Senator Edge, in view of your suggestion a moment ago, I want to say that we do not make any objection to it, but the question is a perfectly proper one. Senator Edge. I am very glad I am improAdng as a cross-examiner. Then in your judgment, Mr. Zappone, you think it was purely accidental that Mr. Harrison and Mr. Meredith together arriA^ed in PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2445 San Francisco on the eve of the Democratic convention and left a dav or two afterwards? Mr. Zappone. The trip was incidental to the administrative work of the department, and if they arrived there at the time of the convention I think it was purely by accident. Senator Edge. But the Government at least paid the expenses of Mr. Harrison to and from San Francisco, in San Francisco for the week or eight days that he was there ? Mr. Zappone. Mr. Harrison's expenses were so paid. The ex- penses of the Secretary of Agriculture Senator Edge (interposing). I have not questioned that. I am only asking about Mr. Harrison. Mr. Zappone. I notice the Secretary accounts were not so charged at all. Senator Edge. I have not asked anything about Secretary Mere- dith. Senator Reed. Let me ask for my information. You say the Sec- retary of Agriculture did not charge his expenses when he went out to the convention ? Mr. Zappone. Except when he was on official business. Senator Eeed. I mean at the time of the convention ? Mr. Zappone. Some of the items of expense were charged by the Secretary and some were not. Senator Reed. Did he charge his railroad fare out there ? Mr. Zappone. There are breaks in the account. Senator Edge. Have you his accounts here? Mr. Zappone. I have just one part of his accounts here. Senator Edge. I see by this voucher covering the expenses of the Secretary of Agriculture, Mr. Meredith, that in San Francisco he charges only for a taxicab to meeting department employees and re- turn, and hire of automobile to the agricultural college, $13, and ferry fare. Correct me if I am wrong. Those are the only items ? Mr. Zappone. Those seem to be the only items of expense in San Francisco by the Secretary. Senator Reed. Did he charge there his fare to San Francisco and back? Senator Edge. No; he did not. Senator Reed. But his secretary did? Senator Edge. Yes. July 8 left San Francisco and the next item of railroad fare is San Francisco to Portland. Mr. Zappone. Mr. Harrison charged that. He paid for that in cash. Senator Edge. As a matter of fact, haven't you heard that Mr. Harrison spent practically all his time in San Francisco with Mr. Meredith, acting as his secretary in his headquarters at the national Democratic convention? Mr. Zappone. I think likely he was with the Secretary all the time he was there, but according to the voucher and the oath that he has subscribed to he was performing official public business during all that time. Senator Edge. Mr. Meredith has not charged for his board and time in San Francisco, except the items we mentioned; that is cor- rect, is it not ? Mr. Zappone. Apparently so from this voucher. 2446 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. Mr. Harrison has charged for his per diem and various other expenses during the same period; is that correct? Mr. Zappone. He has. Senator Edge. Then is there not apparently a difference in the viewpoint as to the charges Mr. Meredith makes and those Mr. Harrison makes, although Mr. Harrison you assume was continually with Mr. Meredith. Mr. Zappone. And performing official work during that time. The Secretary, when he was in San Francisco, according to the state- ment made in his voucher here, interviewed the employees of the department, and he also visited the agricultural college at Berkeley, Calif. Because he did not submit an expense account does not mean to say that he was not engaged on official work. As indicated by the voucher, he was on official work, and therefore Mr. Harrison's trip across the country accompanying the Secretary and his state- ment that he was performing a public duty or on official work would seem to be all right. Senator Edge. As a matter of fact Mr. Meredith considered from his own voucher felt that he should not charge the Government for his fare across the country and his per diem in San Francisco, and Mr. Harrison, accompanying him, and in his continual company^ thought that he should. Is that correct ? Mr. Zappone. It may seem so on the face of the paper, but I do not know that you gentlemen are aware of the fact that the Secretar^^ is a man of considerable Avealth and oftentimes, when he does not sub- mit any expenses at all that another man traveling on official business might find it necessary to do so. That is the only answer I can make to that. Senator Edge. Do you think, based on your long experience in the department and having expense accounts of attaches submitted to you, that a different time might have been selected to go to California than the time of the Democratic national convention ? Mr. Zappone. It might look so to the committee, but I do not see any real connection between the things. The fact remains that this official work was necessary to perform as official work and it so hap- pened that it came along at that time. Senator Edge. Do you think it could have been as well performed in the interest of the taxpayers with the convention going on and the chief a receptive candidate for the Presidency, as some other time? Mr. Zappone. I think so. I can only ansAver in that way. Senator Eeed. Do you know whether this man Harrison spent most of his time at the Democratic convention ? Senator Edge. I asked that question. Mr. Zappone. I do not know anything about it. Senator Eeed. I think we had better get the man himself. Senator Edge. So far as your knowledge is concerned it was purely a coincidence that the Democratic convention happened at the time the head of the department made an official trip to San Francisco ? Mr. Zappone. Purely a coincidence, and also that visits to these other large cities that appear in the accounts were also necessar}^ at that time. Senator Edge. And the Government paid the expenses of the as- sistant to the Secretary continually ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGJiT EXPENSES. 2447 Mr. Zappone. It did. I would suggest to the committee that if they want to get any real information on this subject, they send for the Secretary of Agriculture. He alone I believe could answer these many questions which you have put to me. I can pass on the fiscal side of it only. The Chairman. Do men such as Mr. Harrison travel on orders ? Mr. Zappone. Yes, sir. The Chairman. There is no railroad fare here for Harrison. Mr. Zappone. Oh, yes. There is a Government transportation re- quest used. I think perhaps you are looking at the wrong account. The Chairman. That traveling was on orders that are presented to the railroad company for tickets ? Mr. Zappone. Yes. sir. The Chairman. Which department has them ? Mr. Zappone. They are known as Government transportation re- quests. They are exchanged for tickets. They exchange these Gov- ernment transportation requests for a railroaj ticket. The Chairman. The first order was through to San Francisco on June 17. I do not understand this. Mr. Zappqne. That is correct. That is the ticket to San Francisco. The Chairman. $131.56. Is that a round trip ? Mr. Zappone. Not imless it says so there. It was a straight ticket, and then as they came back they stopped at some other places. The Chairman. lie went by way of Chicago, according to this, and then from Chicago to Des Moines ? Mr. Zappone. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Were there any conferences in Chicago that you know of? Mr. Zappone. None that I know of, except conferences with the em- ployees of the department. The Chairman. Do you know anything about that yourself? Mr. Zappone. No ; I have no personal knowledge. The Chairman. At Des Moines was there any meeting? It seems he was in Des Moines for one and three-quarters days. Was there any conference there ? Mr. Zappone. Except with the employees of the department. I do- not know personally. The Chairman. What employees at Des Moines ? Mr. Zappone. Employees of our permanent station there. The Chairman. Who are they ? Mr. Zappone. Practically the same stations that I indicated in San Francisco. Senator Pomerene. Let us have the record clear. I take it your questions relate to Harrison and not to the Secretary ? The Chairman. Yes; I am asking about Mr. Harrison. He goes to Des Moines and spends one and three-fourths days. You say that is a conference, but you do not know anything about that? Mr. Zappone. No ; I do not. The Chairiman. Why do you say it is a conference ? Mr. Zappone. I say it is a conference because I know that they confer with employees of the department at each and every one of these cities that they visit. The Chairman. How do you know that? Mr. Zappone. Just because they all do that. 2448 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Just because they all do ? Mr. Zappone. Yes. The Chairman. Just who did they confer with at Des Moines ? Mr. Zappone. That I could not teil you. The Chairman. What station is there at Des Moines ? Mr. Zappone. There is an a<2:ricultural college there. The Chairman. At Des Moines? Mr. Zappone. I think so. The Chairman. How long has it been there? That is news to me. I live in Iowa and I have not heard of an agricultural college at Des Moines. Mr. Zappone. I am trying to ansAver your question. There is one at Ames. The Chairman. Did he go to Ames ? Mr. Zappone. No ; I think not. The Chairman. Or did they bring the Ames people down to Des Moines and confer with them ? Mr. Zappone. That I can not answ^er. The Chairman. What did Mr. Harrison have to do in the confer- ence with the people at Ames ? Mr. Zappone. I did not say he visited Ames. The Chairman. Well, at Des Moines. What business was there of the Agricultural Department there? Mr. Zappone. That you can only get from him. Senator Reed. I think this could be shortened if 3^011 will let me ask a question. The Chairman. I do not believe it can be shortened if you star^ asking questions. Senator Reed. Oh, I think it can. As a matter of fact, you do not know a single thing about Avhat any of these men did on any of these trips except what is shown b}^ the papers you produce ? Is not that true ? Mr. Zappone. That is practically correct. I know the fiscal side of it. I made that statement in answer to previous questions. Senator Reed. Clearly all these opinions the witness is expressing as to what these men were doing are simply guesses. The Chairman. I want to find out about this. Here are eight and one-half days in San Francisco which you said were in conference. With whom did he confer at those conferences ? Mr. Zappone. I said he was conferring with employees of the department there. The Chairman. For eight and one-half days? What was the business there that required so much conference ? Mr. Zappone. Senator, the eight and one-half days you refer to go back to the time he left Washington. The Chairman. No; he arrived out there at 8 p. m. on June 25 and left there on July 8, according to this. That is 13 days: that is worse. You say he was in conference there and I want to know who with? Mr. Zappone. I do not think you quite understood the word. I said he conferred with employees of our department there. The Chairman. How many employees are there ? Mr. Zappone. I think there must have been 30 or 40 in San Fran- cisco. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2449 The Chairman. Do you think he must haA^e conferred with them ail to take up that much time ? Mr. Zappone. I feel that I had better not try to answer that ques- tion. The Cpiairman. I thouofht you were getting into deep water about these conferences. You do not know what he did, do you? Mr. Zappone. I do not know about the conferences. I am confi- dent that he conferred with employees in these different cities. Every official that goes out from our department, that is his first duty, to get in touch with the officials in the cities that he visits. The Chairman. Had he ever been out there before a single day to confer with them ? Mr. Zappone. Not that I am aware of. The Chairman. Had any member of the Department of Agricul- ture ever, to your knowledge, been to San Francisco to confer with these gentlemen ? Mr. Zappone. Quite a number of them. The Chairman. When? Mr. Zappone. They are constantly going through the country. The Chairman. I am asking about San Francisco. State when. Mr. Zappone. I am speaking of San Francisco, too. I can only give you that information by looking up the records. The Chairman. Do you know whether any of them went out there and stayed 13 days and had conferences at any time? Mr. Zappone. I can not recall any now. The Chairman. What was there to keep these men there 13 days? Of course, 5^ou do not know anything about that. Mr. Zappone. Nothing more than what the certificate shows. It was on the certificate. The Chairman. You rely on the certificates? Mr. Zappone. Absolutely. The Chairman. You said something about other departments hap- pening to be out there at that time for conference. Mr. Zappone. No ; I think you misunderstood me. The Chairman. Probably I did. Mr. Zappone. I do not remember making such a statement. I said we had other employees of our department there in San Francisco. The Chairman. At this time? Mr. Zappone. Not traveling. We have permanent employees, and I gave the bureaus to which they were attached, but that is all the statement I made. The Chairman. I misunderstood as to that. Mr. Zappone. I feel that you have. The Chairman. Do you know whether other departments of the Government have found that investigations and conferences were needed at San Francisco about that time? Mr. Zappone. No; I do not. The Chairman. You do not know how many other employees of the Government went across the continent to hold conferences, in other departments? Mr. Zappone. No, sir. The Chairman. You were not there yourself? Mr. Zappone. I was not. 182774— 20— PT 18 3 2450 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The C HAiRMAN. What is the total bill, including railroad fare and all, for Mr. Harrison? Mr. Zappone. In round numbers, I should say $300. The Chairman. Mr. Harrison is really a very active man in the Department of Agriculture, is he not ? Mr. Zappone. He is very active. He assists the Secretary in an administrative capacity and acts as sort of clearing house. Senator Edge. Who is Mr. Meredith's campaign representative — perhaps he did not have a manager, but who turned in the expense account that the law required? Mr. Zappone. I have no knowledge of that. The Chairman. Mr. Meredith was an active candidate for Presi- dent and had headquarters in San Francisco and had delegates in- structed for him — Iowa, for instance — did he not? Mr. Zappone. That is all information to me. Senator. The Chairman. His name was presented to the convention ? Mr. Zappone. His name apparently was presented to the conven- tion, according to the newspapers. Senator Eeed. Most everybody's name was. Mr. Zappone. I never heard of his having headquarters there at all. The Chairman. Out of deference to Senator Reed we will not ask any questions about the convention. Senator Reed. You do not know a single thing about this whole matter except what is in the vouchers, do you? Mr. Zappone. I have to be guided entirely by the facts that ap- pear in these certificates. Senator Reed. Your statement about what these gentlemen were doing is a mere matter of inference? You were not there and did not see them, and do not know Avhat they were doing? Mr. Zappone. Absolutely not. The Chairman. To your mind it was all a coincidence ? Mr. Zappone. I think so. Senator Reed. This witness has produced these vouchers and shows that he does not know anything else about the matter, but I think you ought to get the gentleman who went there and see whether he spent his time at headquarters or out in the Botanical Gardens, and whether he was investigating air currents or microbes. The Chairman. We will leave that for the public to judge. Senator Reed. You leave it up in the air because you have not proven anything yet. I am not satisfied with it. I want this man Harrison brought here and put on the witness stand. If he went at Government expense I want him cashiered and dismissed from the service, and I want his chief to be put out in the same way, if his chief knew about and permitted it. It is not a matter to be left at all. If this was done by one man, it may have been done by many. The Chairman. Let us wait until we get through with these co- incidences in the other departments. That is all, Mr. Zappone; we are very much obliged to you. (Witness excused.) PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2451 TESTIMONY OF MR. WILLIAM BARNES— Recalled. Senator Reed. Mr. Barnes, just to let you get your train, we have sent over to the Congressional Library and obtained a copy of the New York World of August 21, 1920. It only contains the subscrip- tion contract. Look at them and see if those are not the same as 3^ou produced here yesterday. It does not contain this general contract we have been discussing and which you say might have been changed. Mr. Barnes (after examining paper). These are the same that I produced yesterday. Senator Reed. I think so. We are still without that document, and it will have to be obtained. Senator Pomerene. There is no question about the genuineness of these copies, is there? Mr. Barnes. I can not answer that. I could not swear to it. Senator Pomerene. That is your best judgment, that they are genuine ? Mr. Barnes. I suppose so. Senator Pomerene. Let those be inserted in the record as they ap- pear in the New York AVorld. (The documents referred to appear below.) Original. Pay by check only. [The Albany Eveninj? Journal. New York Office : 1721-23 Tribune Building, New York City.] The undersigned subscribes the sum of $1,000 toward exix^nse of publication and circulation of your proposed book, entitled, " Republicanism of 1920," and herewith tenders check, drawn to the order of the Journal Co., in payment of same. All checks will be promptly acknowledged by mail. H. F. Sinclair, 120 Broadwoy, Neto York. Original. . Pay by check only. [The Albany Evening Journal. New York Office : 1721-23 Tribune Building, New York City.] New York, June 24, 1920. The undersignetl subscribes the sum of $2,500 toward the expense of publica- tion and circulation of your proposed book entitled, " Republicanism of 1920 "" and herewith tenders check, drawn to the order of the .Journal Co., in payment of same. All checks will be promptly acknowledged by mail. J. Leonard Replogle, 120 Broadway, New York. Original, Pay by check only. [The Albany Evening Journal. New York Office : 1721-23 Tribune Building, New York City.] New York, January 5, 1920. The undersigned subscribes the sum of $1,500 toward the expense of publica- tion and circulation of your proposed book entitled " Republicanism of 1920," and herewith tenders check, drawn to the order of the Journal Co., in payment of same. All checks will be promptly acknowledged by mail, John D. Rockefeller, By Starr J. Murpin, 26 Broad ivay, New York. 2452 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Original. Pay by check only. [The Albany Evening Journal. New York Office : 1721-2.3 Tribune Building, New York City.] The undersigned subscribes the sum of $1,000 toward expense of publication and circulation of your proposed book, entitled " Republicanism of 1920." and herewith tenders check, drawn to the order of the Journal Co., in payment of same. All checks will be promptly acknowledged by mail. A. MONELL, Tuxedo Park, Neiv York. (Thereupon, at 1 o'clock p. m., the subcommittee took a recess until 2.30 o'clock p. m.) AFTER RECESS. The subcommittee met at 2.30 o'clock p. m., pursuant to the taking of recess. TESTIMONY OF ME. ROBERT P. SCRIPPS, EDITORIAL DIRECTOR OF THE SCRIPPS NEWSPAPERS. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. The Chairman. Will you kindly give your full name? Mr. ScRiPPS. Robert P. Scripps. The Chairman. And what is your business ? Mr. Scripps. Newspaper business. The Chairman. Just what newspaper business are you in ? Mr. Scripps. I am editor of the Scripps newspapers. The Chairman. Tell us what they consist of, what are termed the Scripps newspapers. Mr. Scripps. Twenty-one newspapers, called the Scriips news- papers. The Chairman. Published in the principal cities of the United States ? Mr. Scripps. Yes ; some of the principal cities. Some of the towns - are not so large. The Chairman. About what is the daily circulation? Mr. Scripps. A million and a quarter, I assume. The Chairman. You are the editor, you say? Mr. Scripps. I am the editorial director of these newspapers. The Chairman. You have an editor for each one of the papers? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. What is the United Press Association? Mr. Scripps. The United Press Association is a wire news service. The Chairman. Is that controlled by the Scripps papers ? Mr. Scripps. No ; it is not. The controlling stock in it is owned by E. W. Scripps, but it is run separately. The Chairman. Let us get that clear in the record. E. W. Scripps is your father? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. And James Scripps is your brother? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. And all three of you are interested and working with these papers? Mr. Scripps. Yes. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2453 The Chairman. You own the majority of the stock in the United Press Association? Mr. ScRiPPS. My father does. The Chairman. What is the Newspaper Enterprise Association ? Mr. ScRiPPS. It is a corporation, not for profit, in Ohio. It is a seryice, a ne^ys feature and pictorial and editorial seryice for Scripps newspapers. The Chairman. That is owned by you people, too ? Mr. Scripps. It is owned by the yarious papers which are members of it. The Chairman. Is that what is called the X. E. A. ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. You send out plate matter to different papers throughout the country i Mr. Scripps. Xot plate matter. AVe send out news matter, printed matter, such as the sheets you haye there, and mats for pictures — matrices for pictures. The Chairman. How long haye you been in your present position? Mr. Scripps. Since early in 1917. The Chairman. In that position just what are your duties? Mr. Scripps. Well, my position is one of complete responsibility for the editorial conduct of these newspapers in this association. The CH.y[RMAN. In the matter that the X. E. A. sends out are editorials sent out also ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Do you haye anything to do with the editorials? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. You direct them? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Can any editorials go in there without your knowledge and consent ? Mr. Scripps. Yes; they can go in without my direct knowledge or consent. The Chairman. But you assume the responsibility ? Mr. Scripps. I assume the responsibility for them, and I am re- sponsible for the judgment of the man who passes on them. The Chairman, lake one of these pink papers sent out by the JN . E. A. How many papers would this reach ? Mr. Scripps. Besides the Scripps newspapers, those pink sheets are now being sent to, I think it is about 70. The Chairman. Seyeaty other papers? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Throughout the United States? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. They are furnished free, are they not? Mr. Scripps. They are furnished as part of the X. E. A. seryice to such papers as we send them to. The Chairman. Are they furnished only to the X. E. A. papers? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. They pay a certain amount for that seryice and receiye these sheets? Mr. Scripps. They pay for the X. E. A. seryice, and this is sent out as a part of the N. E. A. seryice. 2454 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. When they make a payment do they expect to get this, or is this sent them as a gratuity ? Mr. ScRiPPS. This is sent them if they want it. The Chairman. Is it sent to other papers if they want it ? Mr. SCRIPPS. If they ask for it — not to other papers than the clients. The Chairman. If some country paper wanted some of these pink sheets, how would they get them ? Mr. Scripps. They would have to become an N. E. A. client. The Chairman. And that entails some expense? Mr. Scripps. Yes; it entails some payment, depending on the size and circulation of the paper. The Chairman. Have you circulated these pink sheets more pro- fusely in the campaign than you did before ? Mr. Scripps. We did not circulate them before the campaign. The Chairman. Oh, this started since the campaign? Mr. Scripps. We started about the first of this month ; yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. The 1st of September? Mr. Scripps. The 1st of September I mean ; yes, sir. The Chairman. How many issues have there been of these pink sheets ? Mr. Scripps. They have been issued continuously since then. They have not been pink all the time, sir. The Chairman. Is it issued daily ? Mr. Scripps. I think they have been issued daily; they may not have been regularly. The Chairman. Was there any significance in the pink color? Mr. Scripps. No ; that is just for convenience in handling and mail- ing them. The Chairman. You write letters to these various papers instruct- ing them as to their policies ? Mr. Scripps. Yes ; to the Scripps editors. The Chairman. That is what I mean. Just how does the United Press, which you have spoken of, differ from the N. E. A.? Mr. Scripps. The United Press is a news service purely and simply. Senator Reed. A wire service ? Mr. Scripps. A wire service. Senator Edge. How many subscribers are there to that service ? I do not want to interrupt you. Mr. Scripps. In the United Press ? I could not say. Senator Edge. Do you know approximately ? Mr. Scripps. No ; I do not — several hundred. I do not know how many. The Chairman. In sending out the pink slips to the N. E. A, you are carrying on a propaganda for the election of Mr. Cox, are you not ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Do you receive any funds from the Democratic national committee for that purpose ? Mr. Scripps. No. The Chairman. That is purely a voluntary matter so far as the campaign is concerned ? Mr. Scripps. Purely. PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIG^^^ EXPENSES. 2455 The Chairman. You are working as hard as you can, and 3^0 ur father and brother, for the election of Mr. Cox ? Mr. ScRipps. Yes. The Chairman. And this is your method of helping along? Mr. ScRipps. It is the method ; yes. The Chairman. I notice in pink sheet No. 1, as we will call it, an editorial headed " The unmentioned issue." Did you write that ? Mr. ScRipps. I did not write it ; no. The Chairman. Who wrote it ? Mr. ScRipPs. It was written by Mr. N. B. Cochran, of the Toledo News-Bee. The Chairman. He is one of the editors? Mr. ScRiPPS. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Is that editorial from one of your papers ? Mr. ScRipps. I believe so ; 3^es, sir. The Chairman. Have you read it yourself? Mr. ScRiPPS. Yes. The Chairman. In this editorial you speak of the contributions and the power of the President to appoint the Federal judges. [Keading :] With one notorious exception, President Wilson lias appointed progressive judges to the Supreme Court bench. By so doing lie offended the selfish inter- ests, that aim to control the Government through Federal courts. That goes deeper with special privilege than the League of Nations or any other issue that may be discussed in this campaign. Vital issues are sometimes concealed and camouflaged by fake issues that enable a small minority to divide the people into hostile factions and then get control of the real Government. There is nothing involved in the present campaign that is of greater impor- tance to the people than the kind of Federal judges the next President will appoint. You thought that that was an issue that had not been mentioned in the campaign, and so you gave it prominence in that way? Mr. ScRiPPs. I thought it had not been given sufficient prominence in the campaign. The Chairman. Who is the notorious exception on the Supreme bench ? Mr. ScRiPFs. Is that a proper question for me to answer, Senator? The Chairman. I did not think it was not. Do you object to an- swering it? I will not press it if you object to answering it. Mr. ScRipPs. I would prefer not to. The Chairman. I will not press it. I think perhaps you are right. But 3^ou feel there is one judge on the Supreme bench, appointed by President Wilson, who is not the kind of judge you refer to here? Mr. ScRipPS. Yes. The Chairman (reading) : Members of the Supreme Court are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Now, we have a candidate for President who is a member of the senatorial oligarchy which controlled the Republican national convention, and who was hand-picked by the oligarchy. Did you have anything to do with writing that? Mr. ScRiPPS. I did not write it. The Chairman. Did you see this before it went out ? Mr. Scripps. I saw it before it went out ; yes. The Chairman. And you stand for it* and believe it? 2456 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. ScKipps. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. I wish we could find out Avhere this oligarchy is. I have been looking around for it. The Chairman. Maybe Mr. Scripps could tell us. Senator Reed. Who constitutes this oligarchy ? Mr. Sgripps. Well, they have been referred to in the press numer- ous times. Senator. Senator Reed. Well, I do not know. You can not lay yourself open to contempt by speaking of the United States Senate in any way you desire, you know. Mr. ScRiTPS. All right. I refer, and I think most neAvspaper men who have referred to the Senatorial oligarchy," to the group of Senators such as Penrose, Smoot, Lodge, and others. They are the outstanding ones. The Chairman. Who are the others? Let us get all this oli- garchy in. Mr. Scripps. I can not quote the names of the entire Senate, Sen- ator. Senator Reed. Are they all in the oligarchy ? Mr. Scripps. No ; of course, they are not all in the oligarchy. Sen- ator. That is a general phrase that has been used right along in this campaign. Senator Reed. I know it has. Mr. Scripps. And it refers to that group of Senators. Senator Reed. Penrose, Smoot, and Lodge ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. Senator Reed. And they boss the Senate ? Mr. Scripps. They are presumed to boss the Senate ; yes. Senator Reed. Well, a man that would say that does not know anything about the Senate. Mr. Scripps. I do not believe they are supposed to boss the Senate so much as they are supposed to be bosses of the Republican Party. Senator Reed. Then call them the Republican oligarchy, for God's sake ! The Chairman. You intend to. do that, do you not? Mr. Scripps. Do what? The Chairman. Confine it to the Republican Party. You are not claiming that there is a Democratic oligarchy in the Senate. That is at the other end of the Avenue. Mr. Scripps. I have not claimed it so far ; no, sir. The Chairman. But that is what you mean by this " oligarchy ■ that you refer to ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Penrose, Lodge, and Smoot ? Mr. Scripps. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. What have they been an oligarchy on? An oli- garchy is supposed to do something — to run something. What have they been running? Sir. Scripps. Now, Senator, I do not want to make a speech on this, but I think they were very active in the Republican convention in Chicago. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2457 Senator Reed. No; we are talking about the Senate. I do not know anything about what happened down there among those scamps at Chicago. The Chairman. To say nothing of San Francisco ? Senator Heed. I could not get into either one of them. The Chairman. Let us pursue that, because that is interesting. Just what have they been running? Mr. ScRiPPS. They have been leaders in the Senate, and the Repub- lican Party. Senator Reed. What/ have they led in? Penrose, for instance — what has he led in ? He has been sick for a year. Mr. ScRipPS. Senator, was I called down here to engage in a discus- sion of politics? Senator Reed. I think you are right about that. The Chairman. But you have written this article, or approved it. Senator Reed. I thought we might get it in a few words and that you could tell us. Senator Edge. Perhaps the people of Maine might analyze it more clearly. Mr. ScRipPS. I think I have said enough to make myself clear on the subject. Senator Reed. I want to say that I think, from an inside and dis- interested standpoint, that the talk about a Senate oligarchy is rot. The Chairman. You will have to fight that out with Brother Cox. Senator Reed. I do not care who makes the statement, whether he is a presidential candidate or a newspaper writer. The Chairman. What we called 3^ou here for and what we are try- ing to get at is the propaganda that is carried on by the N. E. A., which you have been trying to describe, in the interest of Gov. Cox. I think we have it now that these pink sheets are sent out and go to some million readers a day? Mr. ScRipPS. They go out to all of the Scripps papers and about 70 other newspapers, which newspapers ask to have them sent to them. The Chairman. Do these go out in this form of pink sheets or as typewritten matter? Mr. ScRipPS. No; the pictures go in mats; the whole sheet does not go in mats. The Chairman. Just like this? Mr. ScRipps. Just like that; yes; and then there is a mat in the package for the picture. The Chairman. Here is one on " Get the money, boys." This has been gotten up lately, has it not—" Follies of 1920 " ? Mr. ScRipPS. I do not know what the date of it is. Senator Pomerene. You do not mean to suggest to the witness that he or his association invented that scheme — " Get the money " — do you? The Chairman. I do not know, Senator. Mr. Scripps. That is September 14. Senator Reed. That phrase seems to have been taken from the lit- erature of the Republican campaign committee. The Chairman. Taken from the investigations of this committee, I suppose. Now, you furnish this as cartoon to these different papers ? 2458 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. ScRipps. Yes. The Chairman. I think I asked you this. Can you give us any idea of the circulation of the 70 papers? Mr. ScRipps. No; I can not. I have not investigated those "papers. I can give you a list of the papers, if it would be useful. The Chairman. I wish you would give us a general idea of the cir- culation, Mr. ScRipps. I have made no calculation along that line. The Chairman. That is in addition to the 1,000,000 that you spoke of? Mr. ScRipps. That is in addition to that. There are TO papers. The Chairman. This will be numbered pink sheet No. 2 and this one pink sheet No. 3. Senator Edge. Is this service gratuitous which Senator Kenyon has gone over, to these papers ? You simply sent it without any ad- ditional charge whatever? Mr. ScRipps. We make no additional charge. Ordinarily they would get the campaign service. What we have done is to take the campaign service and print the separate sheets, and notify the N. E. A. clients that if they wanted the campaign service we would send them that also. Senator Edge. You had the N. E. A. organized before the cam- paign ? Mr. ScRiPPS. Oh, yes. Senator Edge. It has been running for years, and they paid so much, each member of the N. E. A., for that service? Mr. ScRipps. Each member paid so much for that service. The Chairman. And since the convention, as campaign matter, you are furnishing this pink sheet absolutely Avithout any further compensation to you ? Mr. ScRipps. iNo, sir, Senator. In the first place, we have the members of the N. E. A. charge the Scripps papers certain per- centage of their receipts to pay for the service. We have clients to whom we sell the service, as that is a pure by-product which we are putting out ourselves anyway, and so we sell it to these outside clients. The Chairman. Sell it to the outside clients ? Mr. jScRipPS. Yes. The Chairman. And furnish it free to the inside clients? Mr. Scripps. Yes; that is, the members pay on a pro rata basis for their service. The Chairman. They do not pay anything more for this sheet ? Mr. Scripps. No ; no more than they would pay without it. The Chairman. If this sheet was not in existence, they would pay just the same? Mr. Scripps. Yes. Senator Eeed. Does that apply to the inside as well as the outside people ? Mr. Scripps. Yes, sir. Senator Eeed. It applies to all the papers ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Sheet No. 3 says: "Maine women follow men's lead." Did you send that out ? Mr. Scripps. I did not write it. PRESIDENTIAI. CAMPAIGN^ EXPENSES. 2459 The Chairman, You believed that, though, did you? Mr. ScRipps. I do not know that I saw it. The Chairman (reading) : The Democrats lost the Irish vote. Is that true in Maine ? Mr. ScRipps. I do not know; I have not been in Maine, although r have had some competent correspondents in Maine for some time. The Chairman. This is your correspondent who writes from Maine ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Does he write entirely for this sheet? Mr. Scripps. He is a general correspondent. The Chairman. Do you have any correspondents who write only for this pink sheet ? Mr. Scripps. No, sir ; I have not any correspondents who write only for the pink sheet. Some of them are writing political matter on political assignments, and their matter appears, a great deal of it. The Chairman. Can you give us any idea of the cost of the paper that goes into this sheet every issue ? Mr. Scripps. No ; I can not. That would be trifling, of course. The Chairman. The paper would be trifling ? Mr. Scripps. Yes; there are only about 100 such sheets prepared. The Chairman. And the cost of setting this up and printing it ? Mr. Scripps. That matter would have to be set up anyway for the Scripps' papers. It is merely the additional cost to the N. E. A. of the paper and ink, and is not even postage. The Chairman. The cost of the paper and ink? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Is not the labor cost figured in at all ? Mr. Scripps. Well, it would be very small. The labor cost would be mostly in setting the type, and the type has to be set up anyway. The Chairman. Do you mean to say that this would be published in this paper regardless of the pink sheet ? Mr. Scripps. Tes. The Chairman. This is taken from things in your papers and made up into the pink sheet ? Mr. Scripps. Made up in this form, first, and sent to our papers, and would be sent to our papers regardless of whether any other papers were taking it or not. The Chairman. How about the expense of the cartoons and the expense of the maps ; does that amount to very much ? Mr. Scripps. i do not know how much it amounts to, but it is very small. The Chairman. Is this supposed to be pictures of the different Senators here in the pink sheet No. 3? Is that the "oligarchy"? Mr. Scripps. I think they resemble some Senators. Some of them are tagged — I think they are tagged. The Chairman. Who is that a picture of [indicating pink sheet] ? Mr. Scripps. Well, we have Senator Knox here and Senator Harding. The Chairman. Who is up here in the corner, with the whiskers? Mr. Scripps. Senator, you can read that. It is Lodge, and some one else. 2460 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Keed. It is a good idea to always put tags on the Senators, so you will know who it is. The Cpiairman. Oh, that is Senator Smoot ; supposed to be. This is a rear view here of Senator Penrose, is it? [Laughter.] Mr. ScRipps. It must be. It says " Penrose." Senator Reed. What are we hitting at anyhow ? The Chaikman. These are cartoons. We have Col. Harvey here [indicating]. This is not confined to Senators, apparently — these pictures. Is Col. Harvey one of the oligarchy? Mr. ScRipps. He is not a member of the senatorial oligarchy. The Chairman. That [indicating] is " Uncle Watson," who is in the sheet, and " Cousin Brandegee." Are they members of the oligarchy ? Mr. ScRipps. I suppose they must be. Those are the cartoonist's conceptions, not mine. The Chairman. How many of these sheets have gone out alto- gether, Mr. Scripps? Mr. Scripps. Wait a minute, sir. How many issues or how many sheets ? The Chairman. How many issues ? Mr. Scripps. I can not tell you exactly. They were started on the 1st of the month, the 1st of September, I believe. The Chairman. And you expect to keep this up until election ? Mr. Scripps. Yes, sir. The Chairman. You carry all of the cost of this propaganda your- selves ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Your family carry it without any help from the Democratic national committee? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Is there any special reason why you are renderino this service to Gov. Cox and the Democratic Party ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. What is the special reason ? Mr. Scripps. We desire to see him elected. The Chairman. You want to see him elected ? Mr. Scripps. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Have you any particular personal reason or obli- gation that you feel you owe him ? Mr. Scripps. None whatever. The Chairman. Did he have anything to do with securing an exemption for you under the draft? Mr. Scripps. Not that I know of. The Chairman. Or 3^our brother? Mr. Scripps. Not that I know of. The Chairman. Don't you know anything about it ? Mr. Scripps. I know nothing excepting I have seen the stor}^ pub- lished in the New York Tribune recently. The Chairman. Were you exempted from the draft? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. And also your brother? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. When was that? Mr. Scripps. It was in 1917, I think. PRESIDENTIAI^ CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2461 The Chairman. Did Gov. Cox have anything to do with that or exert his influence in that regard? Mr. ScRipPS. Not that I know of. The Chairman. You have seen this that has been published, have you not, purporting to be the letter ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I have seen it. The Chairman. Do you know whether the copy of the letter is correct or not? Mr. ScRiPPS. I do not ; I never saw the Cox letter ; I saw merely the transcript of it. The Chairman. The letter written to Mr. Martin. Mr. ScRipPS. Yes. The Chairman. Who is Mr. Martin? Mr. ScRiPPS. Mr. Martin is editor in chief of the Scripps-McKae League of Papers in Ohio. The Chairman. Do you not know that Gov. Cox wrote a letter when he was governor with reference to the exemption more par- ticularly of your brother, but in a general way referring to the news- paper men being exempt? Mr. ScRipPS. I know it now; yes, sir. The Chairman. You have not known it up until Mr. Scripps (interposing). Up until the time I saw it published in the Tribune. The Chairman. Have you followed that up to see whether the lettei published is correct? Mr. Scripps. I have not; no. The Chairman. I wish you w^ould look at the letter and see whethei it is correct. Mr. Scripps (examining newspaper). Senator, I can not tell, be- cause I never saw the original letter. The Chairman. That would be on file with the War Department? Mr. Scripps. I imagine so. The Chairman. If this letter is correct — it was given to us as the copy of the letter, and we suppose it is correct — I have not seen it denied — that he did use his influence to secure your exemption from the Army service, or the exemption of your brother from the Army service, would that make any difference with you or add to your en- thusiasm in this propaganda to help him? Mr. Scripps. Absolutely not. The Chairman. Would you not feel under some obligation to render some quid pro quo ? Mr. Scripps. I would not. The Chairman. You would be for him just as enthusiastically? Mr. Scripps. Certainly. The Chairman. And that exemption has nothing to do, then, with your activities for the election of Gov. Cox ? Mr. Scripps. Absolutely not. The Chairman. On what ground were you exempted? Mr. Scripps. On occupational grounds. The Chairman. As a newspaper man ? Mr. Scripps. As a newspaper publisher. The Chairman. And on what ground was your brother exempted ? Mr. Scripps. I believe on the same ground. The Chairman. Did you file affidavits for exemption ? 2462 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. ScRipps. Pardon me. The Chairman. Did you file affidavits for exemption ? Mr. ScRipps. I did not; I filled out a questionnaire. The Chairman. Did anyone file affidavits for the exemption ? Mr. ScRipps. I believe so. The Chairman. Who did? Mr. ScRipps. I do not know. The Chairman. Just what was your work at that time? Mr. ScRipPS. I was editorial director of the Scripps papers. The Chairman. The same as you are now ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. What was your brother's work? Mr. Scripps. My brother is chairman of the board of all these corporations. The Chairman. How old is he? Mr. Scripps. How old was he or is he ? The Chairman. Was he at the time of the exemption ? Mr. Scripps. Thirty-four, I think. The Chairman. And how old were you ? Mr. Scripps. In 1917? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. Scripps. I think I was 21. The Chairman. Were you the only boys in the family ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. Senator Edge. How long had you been editorial director at that time, when you were 21? Mr. Scripps. Not for a great length of time. Senator Edge. Who granted the exemption from the service? Was it granted by the local board or the district board ? Mr. Scripps. I do not know, sir. It was not granted by a local board, I think. Senator Edge. Was it granted by the district board — that is the next step? Mr. Scripps. I think not. Senator Edge. Then, who was it granted by? Mr. Scripps. Well, whoever the proper authority was. Senator Edge. If you are the editorial director Mr. Scripps (interposing). I think it was granted by whoever was acting for Gen. Crowder. Senator Edge. Was it granted by the President of the United States? Mr. Scripps. Not to my knowledge. Senator Edge. Do you know anything about the system of grant- ing exemptions? Mr. Scripps. Not a great deal ; no. Senator Edge. You are the editorial director of 21 prominent news- papers ? Mr. Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. Let me ask you. Is the fact that your brother was exempted from the draft having anything to do with your enthusiasm for Gov. Cox. Mr. Scripps. No, sir; my w^hole interest in Gov. Cox is a public interest. PEESIDENTIAJL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2463 The Chairman. His letter — you have read it — refers directly to your brother's exemption? Mr. ScRipps. Yes. The Chairman. You know that? Mr. ScRiPPS. Yes. The Chairman. Your brother was in San Diego County ? Mr. SoRipps. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And the board found against his exemption, did it not? Mr. ScRiPPS. The local board did. The Chairman. In which they said : We believe it ^YOuld be unfair to young men, wlio r.re making sacrifices for the defense of their country, if both sons of a very wealthy father were given deferred classification, when it is clearly possible that one of them could go without affecting the support of their family or impairing their family fortunes. That was their finding. After the California district board af- firmed that action, was not the case appealed to the President ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I believe it was. I am not very familiar with the facts. The Chairman. Was not the letter of Gov. Cox forwarded to the President ? Mr. ScRipPS. I do not know. The Chairman. Do you not know about this exemption ? Mr. ScRipps. No; I do not. Senator Reed. Did you not know it as it was going on ? Mr. ScRipPS. No; I was not familiar with it. The Chairman. Where were you? Mr. ScRipps. I was in Washington. Senator Reed. Were you not interested in it? Mr. ScRiPPS. Yes, sir; but I did not follow it closely. I was in camp part of the time — at Camp Sherman. Senator Reed. They got you into camp, and then got you out? Mr, ScRipPS. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How long were you in camp? Mr. ScRipPS. Only about 10 days or so. The Chairman. How did the papers get along during that 10 days? Mr. ScRipps. The papers are still here. Senator Edge. Take your own case, then, if you are not familiar with your brother's case. You registered from Ohio, did you not? Mr. ScRipPS. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. What did the local board do in your case? Mr. ScRipPS. I think that they refused to grant exemption. Senator Edge. What did the district board do in your case ? Mr. ScRipps. Took the same action. Senator Edge. Do you remember this report in your own case that was handed down, part of it in regard to Robert — We find among those who have been associated with him that he is not im- peratively needed at a time like this and might well be spared ;o the public service. Do you remember such a report ? Mr. ScRipps. No, sir; I do not. Senator Pj)Ge. Was that appealed to the President? Mr. ScRTPPS. I believe so : A^es. 2464 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. Did he reverse the decision of the local and district boards ? Mr. ScRipPS. I do not know that he did, personally. I know that the authorities of the War Department did. Senator Edge. How long were you back from abroad before the time came for registration? Mr. ScRipps. What do you mean, sir? Senator Edge. I heard you say you had been out of the country. Were you not out of the country ? Mr. ScRipPS. No ; I had been at Camp Sherman. Senator Edge. Were you out of the country previously to the registration ? Mr. ScRipps. Oh, yes. Senator Edge. How long before that time? Mr. ScRipps. About a year or more. Senator Edge. You had been home a yer.r? Mr. ScRipps. Yes, sir; about. I am quoting from my memory. • Senator Edge. You are not familiar at all with the letter that has been referred to, written by Gov. Cox directly in the interest of your brother, but are only referring to yourself? Mr. ScRipps. I am not. The Chairman. Before you were editorial director of these papers, what were you doing ? Mr. ScRipps. I was doing various things — newspaper work, mostly. The Chairman. What? Mr. ScRipps. How far back do you want me to go ? The Chairman. Just before. Mr. ScRipps. Just before ; I was with my father in California. The Chairman. How long had you been there ? Mr. ScRipPS. I had been there several months. The Chairman. Had you been in Australia ? Mr. ScRipps. Yes, sir. The Chairman. When were you in Australia, with reference to that time? Mr. ScRiPPS. I was in Australia during 1916. The Chairman. A whole year? Mr. ScRipps. No, sir; I did not spend a year there. The Chairman. About how long did you spend there ? Mr. ScRiPPS. Two or three months. The Chairman. Before that time ? Mr. ScRipPS. Before that time I had been traveling in the Pacific. The Chairman. Not doing newspaper work? Mr. ScRiPPS. Yes ; I was doing some newspaper work. The Chairman. Writing articles? Mr. ScRiPPS. I was writing articles and studying land laws at that time. The Chairman. Studying land laws ? Mr. ScRiPPS. In Australia ; not in the South Sea Islands. The Chairman. I have forgotten what you said about your age. Mr. ScRiPPS. I will be 25 in October. The Chairman. When the war began, in 1917, you were 22 years old? Mr. ScRiPPS. I think so ; yes. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2465 The Chairman. How old were you when you were made editorial director of these enterprises? Mr, ScKipPS. Twenty-two. The Chairman. Twenty-two years old? Mr. ScRiPPS. Well, I was made editorial director shortly after the war began. The Chairman. AVho had been editorial director before you? Mr. ScRipPS. The office had been vacant. It was held by my brother, who died. The Chairman. Hoav long after the war commenced w^ere you made editorial director? Mr. ScRipps. Within a very few weeks. The Chairman. After we got into the war ? Mr. ScRipPS. Within a few weeks. The Chairman. Was the appointment dated back in any way ? Mr. ScRipps. No. The Chairman. Before that time your experience as a newspaper man had been rather limited ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I would not say it had ; no. The Chairman. How extensive was it? Mr. ScRipps. In 1912 I worked for a year on a newspaper in Phila- delphia. Previous to that The Chairman. You were 17 years old ? Mr. ScRipps. I was 16. Senator Reed. What were you doing ? Were you a reporter ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I was a reporter and circulation solicitor. The Chairman. What other newspaper experience had you had ? Mr. ScRipPS. I had written a good deal of matter for our Cali- fornia papers, and I had, of course, been in and out of our office re- porting for my brother and father a great deal. Senator Edge. Who was your attorney in connection with the filing of the affidavits, and so forth, in your application for ex- emption ? Mr. ScRiPPS. Mr. J. W. Curts, of Cincinnati assisted me in fill- ing out a questionnaire. That is all that I can recollect. Senator Edge. Did Mr. Thomas Sidlow have anvthing to do with it at all? Mr. ScRipps. Not that I know of. The Chairman. Or with your brother ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I do not know, I am sure. Senator Edge. What firm is Mr. Thomas Sidlow connected with? Mr. ScRipps. He is connected with Baker & Hostettler. The Chahjman. Did you have anything to do with them ? Mr. ScRipps. Not that I know of, sir. The Chairman. Employed in any Avay? Mr. ScRiPPS. No, sir. Senator Edge. Is the Cleveland Plain Dealer one of the Scripps- McRae league? Mr. ScRipPS. No; it is not. Senator Edge. I show my ignorance of the situation, possibly. Did 3^ou read in the Cleveland Plain Dealer of October, 1918 — 3^011 were then -back from camp — a denial from Gov. Cox of having written a letter to the President, Secretary of War, or to any draft board in your own and your brother's case ? 182774— 2a— PT 18 4 2466 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. ScRipps. I do not recall having read such a denial. The Chairman. How did the papers get along without their editorial director before the war ? Mr. ScRipps. You mean, how did they get along The Chairman. Yes ; during that time. Mr. ScRiPPS. They got along very well. The Chairman. For how long a period was it that the office was not filled? Mr. ScRipps. The office Avas not filled — the title was not in ex- istence for — I think my brother died in 1914 The Chairman. He had filled the office ? Mr. ScRiPPS. Yes, sir ; my brother J ohn. The Chairman. Then it was not filled until you were appointed? Mr. ScRipps. It Avas not filled ; no. The Chairman. For some three or four years ? Mr. ScRipps. Yes. The Chairman. So that the paper could run even without that office ? Mr. ScRipps. It could run ; yes. The Chairman. If you had gone to war and had not secured an exemption it could have run anyhow ? Mr. ScRiPPS. As a matter of fact, though, my other brother really doubled and was responsible as editor. The Chairman. \ our brother James ? Mr. ScRiFPs. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Are you married, Mr. Scripps? Mr. Scripps. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Were you married at the time of the war? Mr. Scripps. Yes, sir. The Chair3ian. Was you brother married? Mr, Scripps. Yes. The Chairman. You are unable to give us any estimate of the cost entailed by this propaganda? Mr. Scripps. Senator, I do not like to have you call it propaganda. The Chairman. Well, what is it? Mr. Scripps. Propaganda implies something which you try to put over on somebody, to convert some one. The Chairman. You are trying to convert people, are you not? Mr. Scripps. We are not trying to convert anyone that is not con- verted already, in the way of editors. We send this out telling them frankly what it is, and asking if they want it. The Chairman. You are trying to convert the people by your ar- guments to the Cox standard. I am not finding fault with that. Mr. Scripps. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And that is propaganda, is it not ? I do not mean it in an offensive way. Mr. Scripps. What I want to say is to differentiate between this matter and the obvious propaganda that is put out to newspapers all over this country, concealed arguments. The Chairman. So that it is not known who has written it? Mr. Scripps. So it is not known that it is partisan matter. This matter is frankly partisan. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2467 The Chairman. AYould you call " Uncle Sam of Freedom Kidge,'' if it is put out and the people do not know who is supplying it or paying for it — would you call that propaganda ? ^Ir. ScRiPPS. Yes, sir. The Chairman. You would differentiate it in that way — because the people here know it is coming from your papers. Mr. ScRipps. Yes, sir ; and why it is being put out. They ask for it before they get it. The Chairman. You say that there is nothing personal about this — nothing in the way of returning any favors Gov. Cox has done for you, but purely in the public interest that you are doing it? Mr. 'iScRipps. Yes. The Chairman. Do you think it is more in the public interest to do this than it is to shoulder a gun and go out to fight for your country ? Mr. ScRipps. I think so. The Chairman. You think it is more important? Mr. ScRipps. I do not think it is at this time. I think it was at that time. The Chairman. You think it was at that time? Mr. ScRiPPS. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. That was when they needed guns ? Mr. ScRipps. They needed newspapers, too, Senator. Senator Reed. We need newspapers yet, but we needed guns and newspapers then. Mr. ScRipPS. We needed both. I did not consult my personal preference in the matter. I can tell you the whole story if you want to know^ it. When I filed my personal application I made no claim on account of dependents. I wrote into my questionnaire that I had a wife and expected a child, but that neither of them was dependent upon me for support, or would be. At the time I was ordered to camp, at the time the appeal on account of the industrial or occupational claim was pending, I Avas ordered to camp and went to camp, and at that time I wrote a letter stating that I wished to withdraw all my claims that I had made. I went down to camp wjth the ex- pecation that I would stay there. I was rather surprised when I did not. Senator Reed. Who carried it through ? Mr. ScRipps. I do not know. Senator Reed. You could have repudiated it and have gone in if you had wanted to. Mr. ScRipps. I could have ; yes. Senator Reed. Don't you know and didn't you have an understand- ing that your appeal was being prosecuted by some one ? Mr. ScRipPS. I know, probably it was, but I don't know Avhom. I was not consulted in the matter of the appeal. Senator Reed. Didn't you understand who it was ? Mr. ScRipps. No. Senator Reed. Was this a pan of milk on the top shelf for you when you got it? Didn't you expect it? You knew the appeal had been followed up? Mr. SoRipps. I knew the appeal had been followed. I heard it talked of. 2438 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Eeed. Who did you hear talk about it ? Mr. ScRipps. Various people. I think it was printed in the news- papers at the time. Senator Reed. That is the way you got it ? Didn't your father or your brother prosecute the appeal? Mr. ScRipps. I do not know who signed the appeal. I don't know anything about that. Senator Reed. Didn't you have an understanding that the appeal was being carried on by your own family ? Mr. ScRipPS. I knew it was going on. Senator Reed. By your own folks ? Mr. Sgrtpps. And business associates; jes. Senator Reed. Your business associates or your relatives? Mr. ScRipps. Yes. Senator Reed. That is all right. J am trying to get at how this came on. Mr. ScRiPPS. I am merely trying to tell you it is no use to ask me who did it or how it was done because I do not know anything about it. Senator Edge. You knew nothing about Gov. Cox's intervention at all? Mr. ScRiPPS. I never saw Gov. Cox's letter. Senator Reed. I assumed you had the same kind of knowledge about this matter that you had, for instance, about many matters in your business. You do not actually see them, but in the course of business you learn of them. You learn who is running your papers and know generally about the business without being there to count the papers, or anything of that kind. I assume that you would therefore know who it was that prosecuted the appeal ? Mr. ScRipps. I knew the appeal had been taken. Senator Reed. Who was it that was carrying it on? Mr. ScRTPPS. 1 could not say to you who was carrying it on. Senator Reed. Wasn't it your father ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I believe my father was interested in it. Senator Reed. He is about the only man who would have an in- terest himself, isn't he ? Mr. ScRiPPS. But I do not know this thing. No ; I do not think so. Senator Reed. Didn't you understand it as time went along ? I do not want to have to summon a lot of witnesses here. I do not know vfhether this is important or not. I do not know what this has to do with campaign funds. Mr. ScRiPPS. Neither do I. Senator Reed. I did not call you here, but since you are here on the scene I thought perhaps 3^ou would clear that matter up with me. Senator Edge. Is there not a decided connection ? Mr. ScRiPPS. You can find all that matter. The appeals, I imagine, are on file and are public property. Senator Edge. And the letters? Mr. ScRipps. The letters, and the whole thing. Senator Edge. You do not deny the authenticity of those letters? Mr. ScRipPs. No ; not at all. I do not question the authenticity of anything. The Chairman. The Cincinnati board passed on your case and then it was appealed to the President. You knew that? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2469 Mr. ScRipPS. Yes. The Chairman. And the President reA^ersed the action of the board, did he not ? Mr. ScRipPS. I do not know that the President did. I know the authorities in Washington did. The Chairman. Is there any other authority in Washington than the President? Mr. ScRipps. I believe there are other men around here drawing salaries in the War Department. The Chairman. Do you know when the decision of the President reached the draft board in Ohio — about October 9 ? Mr. ScRipps. I do not recall the date. The Chairman. Did 3^011 receive any word from Gov. Cox about leaving Camp Sherman ? Mr. ScRipps. No. The first word I received was from the captain in charge of my company. Senator Edge. Did he receive it direct from the governor ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I do not know. Senator Pomerene. Who was your captain ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I forget his name. Senator Reed. Your papers are all very earnestly advocating the League of Nations? Mr. ScRTPPS. They have been since the idea was proposed. Senator Reed. Before that you were adA^ocating the doctrine of peace and pacifism as it is commonly called ? Mr. ScRiPPS. At what time do you mean ? Senator Reed. Before we got into the war. Mr. ScRipps. No ; Ave were adA^ocates of preparedness. Senator Reed. When Avere you adA^ocates of preparedness? Mr. ScRiPPS. During the European war. Senator Reed. But before that, before the war? I am asking just for information. Mr. ScRipPS. When you speak of the Avar I thought you meant before we got in the Avar. Senator Reed. No; I meant before the European w^ar, before Ave got into the European war, while the Avar was on, did you advocate preparedness ? Mr. ScRipPS. Yes. Senator Reed. If nobody went Ave would not get very well pre- pared. Mr. ScRiPPS. No. Senator Reed. Before that, before this menace of an actual war occurred, were not your papers the advocates of what is generally termed pacifism — that is, world disarmament and world peace and the doctrine that a lot of good men were preaching ? Mr. ScRipps. We were not pacifists ; no. Senator Reed. I do not want to use that term. Mr. ScRipps. You mean before the war ? Senator Reed. Before the war began there were a number of gen- tlemen, some of them very fine gentlemen, Avho went about over the country preaching the doctrine that there Avere never to be any more wars nor any more trouble; that it Avas the business of the Avorld just to disarm, and everything was going to be all right. They have been generally termed pacifists. I do not use it in any offensive sense at 2470 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. all in asking you the question, but were not your papers inclined to take that view ? Mr. ScRipps. I do not believe so. I know my father, who is the head of the concern, or w^as when he was active, has never been. Senator Edge. Have any of your subscribers to the N. E. A. shown any resentment at all at having this particular service sent to them or expressed any displeasure ? Mr. ScRiPP. Not that I know of. You understand this is only sent to papers who ask to have it sent. Senator Edge. I so understood. You have not heard from any of the newspapers who are regular subscribers ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I have not heard ; no. Senator Edge. Do you know whether the concern has heard ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I do not know ; no. Senator Reed. I do not want to take your time, but won't you make out and file a list of the Scripps-McRae papers and where they are located ? Mr. ScRipps. I can do that. The Chairman. And also the 70 other papers. Mr. ScRipps. I have such a list that I can prepare for you. The Chairman. Will you do that and hand it to us ? Mr. ScRipps. How soon do you want it ? The Chairman. When will it be convenient to produce it ? Mr. ScRipps. I can produce it to-morrow. Senator Pomerene. Let me ask a question or two. The memo- randum from which the chairman of the subcommittee read said that the order refusing to exempt you from the service was reversed by the President. Do you know whether this matter ever came to the President's personal attention ? Mr. ScRipps. I do not. Senator Pomerene. You remember there was some statement in the press, speaking of the press generally, to the effect that he knew nothing about it and it had not come to his attention ? Mr. ScRipPS. Do I recall such a statement ? Senator Pomerene. Yes. Mr. ScRiPPS. No ; I do not recall it. Senator Pomerene. With regard to the policy of your papers, let me ask a question or two. You are now advocating the election of Gov. Cox. You are receiving no money consideration for that? Mr. ScRiPPS. None wha.tever. Senator Pomerene. You are doing that for what you believe to be for the public interest as you see it ? Mr. ScRipps. Yes. Senator Pomerene. You have at the present time no other motive in mind than to serve the public as you see it ? Mr. ScRipps. That is it exactly. Senator Pomerene. That is all I care to inquire. Mr. ScRiPPS. I think I have said that this was frankly partisan. I would like to correct the statement. I did not mean it is partisan. That is not our theory of supporting Gov. Cox. Our theory of sup- porting Gov. Cox is the general theory of progressive policy or prog- ress in politics. We supported with all our resources a candidate for the Republican national convention. We have supported Republican Senators or senatorial candidates in the primaries. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2471 The Chairman. Whom did you support for President in the pri- maries? Mr. ScRiPPS. In the Republican primaries ? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. ScRiPPS. We supported Hoover. Personally Mr. Hoover was my first choice for nomination and Hiram Johnson second. Senator Edge. Did you support Hoover as the prospective nominee of the Republican or the Democratic Party ? Mr. ScRipps. Of the Republican Party. ^ He left no doubt of that after a very few days. Senator Edge. Was that in the interest of the Republican Party? Mr. ScRi PS. It was in the interest of the American people. Senator Edge. I wanted to get your version of it. Mr. ScRiPPS. Xo ; we are not interested in either party. The Chairman. You are really nonpartisan? Mr. ScRipps. Yes. The Chairman. But progressive? Mr. ScRiPPS. That is our theory; yes. The Chairman. I believe that is all. Mr. ScRiPPS. May I present some information? I have a letter that came to my attention before I left Cleveland late yesterday. It was handed to me. It was sent to the Press and I think it will inter- est you gentlemen. Among other things The Chairman (interposing). Do you want to present this as evidence ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I would like to present it as a lead and for your benefit. It is a very interesting letter. Among other things, it states that the Democrats are raising $30,000,000. The Chairman. The Democrats are? Mr. ScRipps. That is what the letter says. Senator Edge. That would be too shocking. Senator Reed. Do you know where they have that mone}^? Mr. ScRipPS. I do not know. The Chairman. You realize that just wild statements we do not want. Mr. ScRipPS. This is a signed letter, and I think it will interest you. The Chairman. Is it by some responsible person? Senator Reed. We can look at it. The Chairman. Submit it to the committee for their considera- tion. Mr. ScRipps. Yes, it bears a signature and bears some responsible names on it. Who the person is I do not know. I want to state before I present this that I have not as yet located the gentleman who signs the letter. The Chairman. Is he a very prominent man ? Mr. ScRiPPS. He is associated with some prominent men, accord- ing to his own statements. [Witness handed paper to the chairman.] There are several men named there whom you could call and find out. Senator Edge. We have followed all kinds of blind-alley leads; we might as well look into that. The Chairman. We will take this into consideration. Mr. S'cRiPPS. I am publishing the letter. 2472 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. Without knowing who signs it ? Mr. ScRipps. I am investigating it. I will publish it when I find out who it is. The Chairman. You will not publish it until you know who signs it? Mr. ScRipPS. Not until I find out who it is. The Chairman. Have you given orders to publish it ? Mr. ScRipps. No ; I have given orders to find out who the man is. Senator Pomerene. Your papers, I believe, supported Wilson in 1912, did they not? Mr. ScRipps. In 1912 and in 1916. Senator Pomerene. Who had charge of the matter of reviewing the work of the various draft boards here in Washington ? Mr. ScRiPPS. I do not know the man's name. Senator Pomerene. Was it Gen. Crowder? Mr. ScRiPPS. I imagine Gen. Crowder was the responsible officer. Senator Pomerene. He is a Republican, is he not ? Mr. ScRipPS. I have heard he is. Senator Pomerene. And immediately under him was Maj. Warren, of Detroit? Mr. ScRipps. I have heard so. Senator Pomerene. He is a Republican? Mr. ScRipPS. I believe he is prominent in the Republican Party. Senator Pomerene. A member of the Republican national com- mittee from Michigan, or was? Mr. ScRipps. So I have heard. Senator Reed. Did you mean to say that you had information that the Democratic national committee is raising $30,000,000? Mr. ScRTPPS. No; I merely said I had a letter that stated among other things that the Democratic Party had $30,000,000, or was rais- ing it. The Chairman. If 3^ou can tell them where it is, I am sure they will be obliged to you. Mr. ScRiPPS. I think so, too. Senator Reed. What became of the top part of this letter? Mr. ScRipPS. It has been clipped off. It was sent in just in that shape. The Chairman. That is the way you received it? Mr. ScRipps. Yes; and I brought it along for anything you can make of it. The Chairman. Where was it sent from ? Mr. ScRipps. It is dated Massilon, Ohio. (Witness excused.) TESTIMONY OF MR. DON C. FEES. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) The Chairman. Mr. Fees, we have asked to have subpoenaed the gentleman who had charge of the vouchers for the months of July and August in the Department of Justice, and I understand you have come in his place ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. You have charge of those vouchers? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2473 The Chairman. We have asked for vouchers as to certain men. Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairjian. Have you brought those here ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Will you produce them ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir [handing papers to the chairman]. The Chairman. Do they generally carry on the same plan as the Department of Agriculture? Are the vouchers in the different de- partments about the same? I am asking that in order to get acquainted with your method. Mr. Fees. I could not say as to that. I am not familiar with the Department of Agriculture methods of handling these. The Chairman. Do they travel from your department on Govern- ment orders ? For instance, if a man wants to go to Chicago, does he buy a ticket or does he have a Government order ? Mr. Fees. In the majority of cases they have a Government order. The Chairman. Who is Mr. Frank K. Nebeker? Mr. Fees. Assistant Attorney General. The Chairman. Located in Washington? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. You have presented two vouchers concerning his expense account ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. From those vouchers it appears that on June 8 he left Washington, went to Salt Lake City and from Salt Lake City to San Francisco, arriving there, if these vouchers are correct, on the 20th of June. Is that correct ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Then you present another voucher showing his departure from San Francisco on July 7 — an item of 25 cents for the hotel porter. Mr. Fees. That is the time he left. The Chairman. What is the time of arrival? Mr. Fees. The time of arrival will be noted here [indicating]. He arrived there on June 20. The Chairman. And left there on July 7? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How long has he been Assistant Attorney Gen- eral? Mr. Fees. I can not say definitely. I should judge Avell on to a year. The Chairman. Judging from these vouchers he was in San Fran- cisco 17 days? Mr. Fees. About that. The Chairman. These vouchers do not include his railroad fare ? Mr Fees. They are shown under the memorandum of travel on page 3 of the voucher. The Chairman. Oh, yes; I see. Mr. Fees. He traveled on Government orders. The Chairman. He traveled on Government orders from Washing- ton to Salt Lake City and then from Salt Lake City to San Francisco ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Sixty-eight dollars to Salt Lake City, but there does not appear to be any amount stated from there on. 2474 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Fees. Where the amounts are not stated, they are checked up on the transportation accounts when they come in. The amounts are verified from the railroad company's bill with the transportation order. The Chairman. Was there some conference going on in San Fran- cisco of the district attorneys or officers of the Department of Justice about that time? Mr. Fees. I could not say as to that. The Chairman. What was there at San Francisco of any particu- lar importance at that time ? As a matter of ancient history, was not the Democratic convention going on there about that time ? Mr. Fees. It was. The Chairman. Mr. Palmer was a candidate for President. Was Mr. Nebeker one of his supporters ? Mr. Fees. I suppose he was. The Chairman. Do you know of any legal business that made it necessary to go to San Francisco — for the Assistant Attorney Gen- eral to go ? \ oil probably would not be familiar with that, however ? Mr. Fees. I would not be familiar unless it Avas shown on the account. The Chairman. The Democratic convention being there and Mr. Nebeker being there at Government expense was merely a coincident, I suppose ? Mr. Fees. I never thought much about it. The Chairman. These coincidences seemed quite common out there. This voucher shows taxicab to the station at Washington, $1 ; station porter, 25 cents ; Pullman porter, 25 cents ; station porter, Chi- cago, 25 cents. You recognize these items, perhaps, as I read them. Cab to hotel, 80 cents ; hotel porter, arrival at Chicago, 25 cents ; de- parture porter, 25 cents; cab to station, 80 cents; station porter 25 cents; Pullman porter. Salt Lake City, night of June 10-11, 50 cents; station porter, 25 cents ; taxi to Alta Club. Was there a meeting at the Alta Club of some Federal officials about judicial matters, do you know? Mr. Fees. I could not say. The Chairman. What is the Alta Club? Mr. Fees. I do not know. The Chairman. That was $1. Porter at the Alta Club arriving, 25 cents; porter, Alta Club departing, 25 cents; taxi to station, $1; station porter, 25 cents; Pullman porter, San Francisco, 50 cents; station porter, San Francisco, 25 cents ; taxi to hotel, $1 ; hotel porter, 25 cents; per diem in lieu of subsistence, June 8 to June 23, inclusive, 15 days, at $4, $60. Now, you know nothing about his business there? Mr. Fees. No, sir. The Chairman. Departing from San Francisco, July 7, it seems that the hotel porter secured another 25 cents; cab to station, $1; station porter, 25 cents; Pullman porter, Chicago, 75 cents; and so on doAvn to W^ashington, arriving at Washington 4.30 p. m., July 7, What was the date of the Democratic convention, do you remember? Mr. Fees. I can not tell you definitely. The Chairman. What was the date of Gov. Cox's nomination out there, do you remember J Mr. Fees. No, sir. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2475 The Chairman. Per diem in lieu of subsistence, first and second, at $4, $8 ; annual leave July 3, 4, 5, 6, per diem July 7, 8, and 9. What does that mean, " annual leave " ? Mr. Fees. It means he was not on official business, but he was taking leave. The Chairman. But charging it up to the Government when he was not on official business ? Mr. Fees. No ; it means he was not charging it up. I do not think you will find any expenses charged on those dates. The Chairman. July 3, 4, 5, and 6 annual leave when nothing, was charged. Mr. Fees. I do not think you will find any expenses charged on those dates. The Chairman. Per diem, July 7, 8, and 9. He was on official duty, then? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir ; and that is what it states there. The Chairman. Annual leave July 10 and 11; nothing charged there. Per diem July 12 and 13, two days. So part of the time he was on official duty and part of the time he was not, on this trip? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. That is what the voucher means? Mr. Fees. According to the face of the voucher. The Chairman. Then there were some annual leaves. What are these annual leaves when a man is not on official duty ? Senator Reed. They are entitled under the law to so many days each year. Mr. Fees. Yes, sir ; 30 days. Senator Reed. Some of them instead of taking the whole 30 days at once may take the 30 days in broken intervals ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. So if a man wants to take a trip to San Francisco he can take part of the time part of the way as official business and part of the way not ? Mr. Fees. In doing that the transportation, if any, was used on personal business and not on official business, would be paid by him personally. The Chairman. Where will we find out whether any part of this transportation was paid personally ? Mr. Fees. None of the transportation on that trip was paid per- sonally. The Chairman. Although your voucher states that part of the time he was not on official business ? Mr. Fees. As indicated by the voucher, he went there on official business, transacted the official business, and for some reason or other not known to me he took a few days leave of absence, and then it ap- pears he transacted official business after he had his leave of absence. The Chairman. The transaction of official business you take from the statement on the voucher? Mr. Fees. We know nothing about it except what the voucher shows. The Chairman. Were you at the Department of Justice during the Democratic National Convention? Mr. Fees. No, sir. The Chairman. Where were you? 2476 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Fees. I was on vacation. The Chairman. Do you know whether any assistants were left at the Department of Justice during the convention? Mr. Fees. I could not say ; I do not know. Senator Reed. Where were you on your vacation? Where did you go? Mr. Fees. Nebraska. The Chairman. You did not get out to San Francisco ? Mr. Fees. No, sir. Senator Edge. Is it customary for attaches of the department to take their vacation in this way — after the Government has paid their transportation to a distant point, to then take the vacation at that distant point? Mr. Fees. No ; I would not say it was customary. The Chairman. Had Mr. Nebeker been out to San Francisco? Mr. Fees. I could not say until I looked up the records. The Chairman. You do not know what your records may show? Mr. Fees. No, sir. The Chairman. Do you know of any important conference out there at that time? Mr. Fees. No, sir. The Chairman. Any important litigation that the department was concerned in? Mr. Fees. There is a good deal of litigation on the coast. I have not kept close track of it. The only way I am acquainted with that is through the accounts or what appears on the face of the accounts. The Chairman. Who is Mr. E. P. Stewart? Mr. Fees. He is an Assistant Attorney General. The Chairman. He seems to have been called West, too, about that time. Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. He left Washington about June 10, according to your voucher? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. A few of the items show that he paid for baggage to station at Washington, leaving Washington at 6.10 p. m. June 10. He seems to have gone to Seattle, reaching Seattle around June 20, leaving Seattle June 20 for San Francisco. Was that the quickest way to San Francisco? Mr. Fees. As I understand it, he had official business in Seattle, Wash. The Chairman. He reached there June 20 and according to this voucher left on June 20. Do you know what business there was at Seattle? Mr. Fees. I do not remember, but I think it is stated in his ac- count. The Chairman. It must have been important business. You think he went across the Continent to Seattle for the one day at Seattle? Oh, that is not a fair question to ask you. Then he seems to have ar- rived at San Francisco on June 22, charging up these expenses to the Government. What did they need two Assistant Attorneys General out there for? Mr. Fees. I do not know. Senator Reed. The result shows they needed more than that. PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN" EXPENSES. 2477 The Chairman. Had you ever known two Assistant Attorneys General to go out there before ? Mr. Fees. I have no idea Avhy the two of them went. The Chairman. Hotel Taylor conference with special assistant United States attorney relative to Seattle shipyard case. He was there at San Francisco on the shipyard cases, evidently. So that this Assistant Attorney General has charged up to the Government his railroad fare to Seattle and San Francisco and back to Washington and his expenses? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Another coincidence showing the way the people's money is spent. Who is Mr. Montross? Mr. Fees. He is general secretary for the Attorney General. The Chairman. Just what is his position? Mr. Fees. I think he is listed as examiner of titles or assistant examiner of titles. The Chairzsian. In what office? Mr. Fees. I could not say now. The Chairman. Where did he come from ; do you know ? Mr. Fees. No, sir. The Chairman. What State is he from? Mr. Fees. I do not know. The Chairman. How long has he been here? Mr. Fees. Between two and three years, as I remember it. I could not say exactly. The Chairman. In the last year can you tell us how many new employees have been added to the rolls of the Department of Justice ? Mr. Fees. No, sir. Senator Reed. Is this man connected with the Department of Justice? Mr. Fees. Yes, indeed. The Chairman. He is examiner of titles in the Department of Justice ? Mr. Fees. Either examiner or assistant examiner. I think the voucher shows. The Chairman. Yes; assistant examiner of titles. He seems to have left Washington about June 20 for San Francisco. Mr. Fees. He only traveled with the Attorney General. The Chairman. Then I notice " Harrisburg, Pa., to San Francisco, Pullman, $57.70." Is that the Pullman fare from Harrisburg to San Francisco? Mr. Fees., If it is there in the account, it is. The Chairman. Did he have a special car ? Mr. Fees. No, sir. The Chairman. You do not mean to tell us that is the ordinary Pullman charge from Harrisburg to San Francisco ? He had a com- partment, possibly. Mr. Fees. The transportation clerk handles those. I could not say. The Chairman. Was it a drawing-room? Mr. Fees. I suppose it was a drawing-room or compartment. The Chairman. What was the important business at San Fran- cisco that took this examiner of titles out there riding in a drawing- room? 2478 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Fees. He goes with the Attorney General and acts as his secre- tary when the Attorney General is away from Washington. The Chairman. Do you know whether he went with the Attorney General ? Mr. Fees. I am sure he did. Senator Reed. And did they have this drawing-room together ? Mr. Fees. He very seldom does any traveling alone. The Chairman. Did they have the drawing-room together? Mr- Fees. I could not say as to that. The Chairman. Does the Attorney General have an account ? Mr. Fees. I do not ever remember seeing one for him. There might one have been passed when I was out of the city. The Chairman. Is there any traveling fund for the use of the Attorney General for which no accounting need be made ? Mr. Fees. Oh, no. He has to account. The Chairman. Does that pass through your hands? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Montross seems to have left San Francisco July 6, to New York City, Pullman $131. He must have had more than a drawing-room coming back. How do you account for that? Did you O. K. that, Mr. Fees? Mr. Fees. I suppose that was a drawing-room. The Chairman. Does a drawing-room cost that through to New York for one person ? Mr. Fees. I do not know whether a drawing-room cost the same for one person as for two or three. The Chairman. Is it any part of your duty to investigate these matters when they come in, or do you just pass them ? Mr. Fees. Do you mean as to the correctness of the charge ? The Chairman. Yes; for instance, a charge is presented for $131 for Pullman fare from San Francisco to New York. Did you just accept that, or is that any part of your duty? Mr. Fees. That charge was not paid in that instance in an expense account. That was made on Government order, and I do not know whether the Pullman Co. has billed that order or not, but when they bill it it will be audited and referred to the auditor for final payment. The Chairman. Do you get the order in your department show- ing whether it is paid or not ? Mr. Fees. I could tell whether it has been paid or not. The Chairman. It has been charged. Mr. Fees. That is not a charge. The Chairman. It is a memorandum of travel performed upon transportation request. Mr. Fees. That is merely added to that account to connect up the other items of expense. Senator Edge. As a matter of fact, as bearing on transportation charges, don't you know a drawing-room requires two full tickets ? Mr. Fees. I never went into that question. Senator Edge. Don't you think it is your duty to go into that ques- tion if you are auditing charges of men who present such an item? The Chairman. The next item mav touch on that. San Francisco to Washington, D. C, $109.38. What is that? Mr. Fees. That is transportation. The Chairman. His personal transportation? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2479 Mr. Fees. Yes. The Chairman. Here is an item — BuiFalo, N. Y., to New York City, $11.89. What has that to do with the Democratic convention at 8an Francisco? Mr. Fees. I don't know that it has anything to do with it. I don't think it did have anything to do with it. This is a memorandum simply to connect up these other items, but it is sworn to the same as the rest of the voucher. The Chairman. Has this been SAVorn to ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Keed. That has been audited and sworn to, and then what is done with the paper? Mr. Fees. It is an account, and it is paid by the disbursing clerk and referred to the auditor for final audit. Senator Keed. When this is made out it goes to the disbursing clerk and the disbursing clerk pays it? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. So that is in fact an order for money. Then, after the paper has passed and the money has been paid, there is an auditor who checks it over? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Does he check it to see whether the items are cor- rect or does he merely audit it as a bill that has been presented, duly voucherecl, and paid ? Mr. Fees. He checks every way he can check it ; in any way. Senator Reed. Do you know that when people travel in drawing- rooms, they have to have t^^o tickets ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Taking that piece of paper before you and taking the charge of railroad fare, does that appear to cover two tickets or one? Mr. Fees. I will see what the memorandum states on that. It does not shoAV on the memorandum, but the original Government- order that was issued for this transportation Avill show. Senator Reed. Who has that ? Mr. Fees. It may have been paid. If it has been paid, it has been referred to the auditor. If it has not been paid, the Pullman Co. still holds it. Senator Edge. This voucher is made out — correct me if I am mis- taken — to George K. Montross, Department of Justice, for reimburse- - ment of traveling expenses incurred and paid as per itemized schedule annexed of account of travel with Attorney General ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Can you tell us whether that does not cover the entire expense for the drawing-rooms probably occupied by both these gentlemen? Mr. Fees. I could not say utitil I looked up the transportation account which this request has been or will be billed. Senator Reed. Could you look it up and find out ? Mr. Fees. Yes. Senator Edge. What is the complete total of that voucher ? Mr. Fees. $74.91. Senator Edge. That is not the one ; the chairman was reading one hundred and some dollars. 2480 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Fees. You understand, these requests are billed in by the Pull- man Co. and are not claimed by the person who made the travel. Senator Eeed. What is the total, including what the -Pullman Co. claims, the railroad fare, and everything ? Senator Edge. Add it up and give it to us in the record. Mr. Fees. $324.25. Senator Kenyon. What is that; just the one? Mr. Fees. That is this one account. The CHAikMAN. About one $500 Liberty bond. Senator Edge. I'hat covers, as 1 understand it, from July 1 to July 16? Is that correct? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. To San Francisco and return ? Mr. Fees. No ; that would be from San Francisco to Washington — from San Francisco to New York City and Washington and Buffalo to New York City. Senator Eeed. When did they start ? The Chairman. Let me see that [referring to voucher]. June 20 they arrived at San Francisco. Senator Eeed. It shows down here when they left— July 6. This is the trip back, then? The Chairman. That is the trip back. What is this item of July 15, Buffalo to New York City? That is an entirely separate trip, I take it ? Mr. Fees. Well, I do not know. The Chairman. You do not know what that is ? I wish you would check that up, because if it is from July -6 to July 15 it would not take that much time to come from San Francisco to Washington. Mr. Fees. They might have come around that way, but I would have to check that up. The Chairman. Look that up and see what that Buffalo voucher means. A man could not have been traveling on two trains at the same time, even if he was coming from the Democratic convention. Mr. Fees. You will find that the items in there are correct as far as the charges are concerned. The Chairman. The charges are correct? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Is there any allowance made when men are travel- ing as to their expenses? For instance, I notice here on the 25th, Mr. Montrose, lunch $1.70, dinner $2. Is there any limit as to what a man can spend for his dinner ? Mr. Fees. His actual expenses, lodging and subsistence, to a maxi- mum of $5 a day. The Chairman. That is, when on official business ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Is there any regulation there as to what they shall be allowed when they are attending Democratic national conventions ? Senator Eeed. What is the total of the money spent by Mr. Nebeker on this trip to San Francisco and return and the money spent by Mr. Stewart on the trip to San Francisco and return ? The Chairman. Will you just figure that up, including the rail- road fare and the Pullman? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2481 Mr. Fees. Well, I can not give that to you, because the amount of the transportation billed on transportation requests has not been en- tered in the voucher. The Chairman. You can give us everything but the transporta- tion ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Can you look up the transportation and get that for us ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir ; provided it has been billed. Senator Reed. Will you look that up? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. What is it now, exclusive of transportation? Mr. Fees. $103.15. . Senator Pomekene. Who is that ? Mr. P^EES. Frank K. Nebeker. The Chairman. Those are his expenses outside of transportation. Senator Reed. You have Pullman bills that amount to more than that. The Chair3ian. Xot on that ; that is Montrose. Senator Reed. What I am trying to get at is all of the expenses of these parties that have been mentioned — Montrose, Nebeker, and Stewart. . Mr. Fees. I can not giA e those to you now on the data I have here. Senator Reed. Can you give them to us, all except the railroad fare^ Mr. Fees. All except railroad and Pullman. Senator Reed. You can give us the Pullman on one of them, can you not? Mr. Fees. I can not say it Avould be correct, because what they enter here on this memorandum might not be the correct rate as billed by the company or determined by the auditor. Senator Reed. Give us what they ask for; that Avill do just as well. The Chairman. That is probably what they got, is it not? Senator Edge. That is what they individually take an affidavit to as being the amount due them or due the company ? Mr. Fees. As due them. Senator Edge, Due them if they advanced it? ^Ir. Fees. They make an affidavit to the effect that they used these requests in making this travel, but they do not swear to the amounts to be charged against these requests. [After making some calcu- lations] The expenses of Mr. Montrose from Washington to San Francisco and return totaled $521.07. The Chairman. Let us get that clearly. Does that include railroad and Pullman? Mr. Fees. That includes railroad and Pullman, as shown by this memorandum. That will include some charges for the Attorney General. Frank K. Nebeker, $103.15. The Chairman. That does not include railroad and Pullman? Mr. Fees. That is exclusive of railroad and Pullman. The Chairman. You will furnish us with that ? Mr. Fees. I will furnish that. 182774— 20— PT 18 5 2482 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Now, the other gentleman — Mr. Stewart ? Mr. Fees. R. P. Stewart, $104.25, which is exclusive of Pullman and railroad fare. The Chairman. Which you will furnish us? In that connection we will ask you also to furnish the expense account of the Attorney General for June and July of this year. Mr. Fees. If he has submitted one. Senator Edge. You do not know Avhether he has submitted one at this time? Mr. Fees. I do not know ; no, sir. The Chairman. Who is Mr. J. Edgar Hoover? Mr. Fees. Special assistant to the Attorney General. The Chairman. Located in Washington ? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How many special assistants to the Attorney General are there ? Mr. Fees. I could not say. The Chairman. But you have some idea from the vouchers pass- ing through your hands ? Mr. Fees. No ; I do not believe I could say. The Chairman. Has the number of special assistants to the Attorney General increased this spring and summer? Mr. Fees. Well, I have been aw^ay most of the spring and summer,, and I would not want to say. I have been out of touch with the department. The Chairman. What is the business of this Assistant Attornej^ General, Mr. Hoover ? Mr. Fees. I think he is in charge of radical activities. The Chairman. How many are there in charge of radical activi- ties? How many are there of a similar kind? Do you know? Mr. Fees. No, sir ; I do not. I think he has complete charge of it. I Avould not say definitely, though. The Chairman. He goes around the country looking after the radicals. That may excuse his trip out there. Now, it seems he left Washington on June 20. Was there a radical outbreak in the West around that time ? [Laughter.] Flow did these gentlemen all hap- pen to be going about June 20 ? Mr. Fees. I suggest. Senator, that if you wdll subpoena those men themselves, they will give you more information. The Chairman. I do not know that they will, but we will see. He went from Washington on June 20 to San Francisco by the Pennsylvania Railroad — $89.72. That is the railroad fare, is it not? Senator Reed. From Washington? The Chairman. Washington to San Francisco. Senator Reed. How do these other amounts for railroad fare come to be so much greater? We had a fare here of $109. What was Mr. Stewart's fare from Washington to San Francisco ? Mr. Fees. He has not given it on here. Senator Reed. Take one that has it. Mr. Fees. Mr. Montrose— $109.38. The Chairman. That is back, from San Francisco to Washington, $109.38. HoAv did they happen to charge Mr. Montrose $20 more to come home than they charged Mr. Hoover to go out ? Do you know ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2483 Mr. Fees. I do not know whether that diiference in rate had gone into effect then or not. The Chairman. No ; the rates were not changed until later. Mr. Fees. They may have traveled different routes. Senator Pomerene. That often happens. There used to be a differ- ent fare from Washington to Canton than from Canton to Wash- ington. There Avas a very small difference, but there was a difference nevertheless. Mr. Fees. These gentlemen traveled different routes, too. The Chairman. Let us have his fare going out, too. Mr. Fees. Mr. Montrose? The Chairman. Washington to San Francisco, going out, $89.72. That is right ; there must be a difference going out and coming back — a little heavier coming back. Senator Pomerene. Those rates probably take into consideration the question of competition between the different roads. The Chairman. The Pullman for Mr. Hoover going out seems to have been $15.75 ; for Mr. Montrose, coming back, $131. There is not quite that much difference in the Pullman rates out and back. And he seems to have gone up to Seattle. That is where the Red oubreak was, I suppose. He charged that to the Government. Where did he live ? Where was his home ? Mr. Fees. Whom are you speaking about now ? The Chairman. I am speaking about Mr. Hoover — not Herbert Hoover. Mr. Fees. I do not know; his headquarters are in Washington. I do not know where his home is. The Chairman. You made some deductions on his bill, I see? Mr. Fees. Yes. The Chairman. Excessive charge, tip to waiters, 15 cents de- ducted. June 21, train porter, Pullman, 20 cents deducted; riot due until morning of 22d for services rendered the night of the 21st. Excess charge, upper berth, Washington to Chicago, 10 cents. There is another deduction of 20 cents for the Pullman. You are cer- tainly keeping track of things over there pretty closely. Mr. Fees. You understand, Senator, those accounts are all audited in accordance with the The Chairman. You have nothing to do with the auditing, have Mr. Fees. 1 es, sir; I am in charge of the auditing. They are audited in accordance with the comptroller's decisions and regula- tions. Senator Reed. W^hat comptroller is that? Mr. Fees. The Comptroller of the Treasury. Senator Reed. Does he fix the size of the tips to the negro porters ? Mr. Fees. He decides whether or not they are reasonable. Senator Edge. Let me repeat the question I asked some time ago as to whether you are familiar — you are apparently quite familiar with the price for upper berths by the fact that a drawing-room requires two full tickets. It seems to me that is quite an important detail. Mr. Fees. You must understand I can not undertake to keep track of every detail charge that comes in. I would have to look those 2484 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. things up if I were auditing the accounts myself. The transporta- tion clerks yvho are in charge of those details handle those accounts. 'Senator Eixje. Did the transportation clerk take up this 10 cents for the upper berth ? Mr. Fees. There are no charges for transportation in that account, only expenses incident to transportation, such as meals and tips. Senator Edge. You read there a deduction for an upper berth, did you not? Mr. Fees. That w^s a tip to the porter, was it not ? Senator Edge. I did not so understand it. The Chairman. Excess charge, upper berth, Washington to Chi- cago; 10 cents deducted; correct charge, $4.40. Excess charge, tip to waiters, 15 cents deducted. Senator Edge. Then you are not familiar — let me get that answer definitely in the record — with the charge for drawing rooms? Mr. Fees. Why, no ; I could not keep all those tariffs in mind. Senator Edge. Whether it requires one or two tickets ? Mr. Fees. 1 do not know; the question has never come up to me directly. The Chairman. Excess charge, car porterage, 10 cents. How do you know that? Mr. Fees. That is determined by regulations of the department. The Chairman. Is there any regulation as to the Pullman rates? How does that happen you deducted 10 cents on car porterage and let $131 go by on a Pullman? Mr. Fees. For the simple reason that the class of service furnished for that $131 is probably different from what Avas furnished for $15.75. Those drawing-room charges in there for their drawing room are correct. I could not say whether they were for a draAving room or what they were until I got the transportation account. Senator Reed. I wish you would get that. So that it ma}^ appear in the record. I asked Mr. Eankin, Senator Kenyon's secretar}^, to telephone and get the rates that Avere in force at the time of the con- vention. He informs me that a draAving room from New York to San Francisco Avas $95.04 and a berth $22.68; a berth from Washing- ton to NeAv York Avas $2.70 and a draAving room $9.72. The Chairman. That is for one occupant. Senator? Senator Reed. Of course, Avhen you ride in a draAving-room you have got to buy Iayo tickets, and then the draAving-room costs the same Avhether you put one or four people in it ; but you have to have tickets for eA^erybody that rides in it, and if there is only one person, he has to have tAvo tickets. The (^iiAiRMAN. According to your figures on this voucher, $155.22 seems to haA e been the expenses of ^Ir. HooA er out to San Francisco. Mark that doAvn, Avill you, and look that up? Mr. Fees. Was all that travel made in going to San Francisco? The Chairman. No ; 1 belieA e there is a trip to Ncav York in there, but there is nothing to differentiate it. You Avould have to take out these NeAT York charges. Senator Reed. If the figures I haA^e just got from Mr. Rankin are correct, then $95.04 for the draAving-room and $22.68 for a berth each from San Francisco to Ncav York aaouKI aggregate $127.72. The aggreirate that is given in Mr. ^lontrose's account for his Pullman is hoAv much! Have you it before you? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2485 The Chairmax. $131. Senator Reed. It would, therefore, just about equal the charge for a drawing-room and berth — a little bit more — which can be accounted for by the fact that they bought to Washington and then on to New York. Is not that right? Mr. Fees. It might be accounted for that way, but you understand that the charges extended against these transportation oi'ders may not be correct. There is no way of determining tliat they are correct. ^Ve do not audit tliose cliarges there until we get the transportation account, because there is no money paid until we get the transporta- tion account. The CiiAiPvivrAN. How often do you get tliose? Mr. Fees. Most companies bill theirs monthly. Senator Edge. This represents the affidavit of the man who turned in the voucher ? Mv. Fees. That is what it is. Senator Edge. And it purports to be for one person? Mr. Fees. No ; Mr. Montrose has stated " travel with the Attorney General." Senator Edge. Do 3^ou assume that includes the Attorney Gen- eral's transportation ? Mr. Fees. I assume it includes the charge for drawing-room for both of them. I assume that ; I do not know it. Senator Reed. See if it did not include a drawing-room and a berth, when you look it up. The Chaikman. Mr. Montrose has, going out, from Harrisburg to San Francisco, $57.60. Will you also look that up and see whether that is for one or two persons? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. The Chairman. It Avill be impossible for you to fix the expenses of Mr. Hoover to San Francisco under this voucher without taking out the New York trip. Mr. Fees. I would practically have to reauclit the voucher and take out the New York trip and expenses incident to that trip. The Chairman. How many more gentlemen connected with the Department of Justice w^ent to San Francisco at the time of the con- A^ention? Do you know? Mr. Fees. I do not know that any Avent. The Chairman. Have any more A^ouchers passed through j^our hands ? ^Ir. Fees. All these vouchers passed through before I came back to Washington. The Chairman. Will you make an examination of your records and find out Avhether there were any more vouchers for expenses to San Francisco of any of the employees or any men in the Department of Justice in June or July ? Mr. Fees. It Avill be a very difficult proposition. The Chairman. Why? So many AA^ent? Mr. Fees. No. I do not knoAv just Avhen I could get it for you. There Avould be a good deal of Avork. AVe Avould haA^e to go through each individual A^oucher paid The Chairman. Who connected Avith the Department of Justice Avould knoAv just Avhat gentlemen Avent to San Francisco? 2486 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Fees. Well, I do not knoAv, unless it would be Mr. Stewart, the chief clerk. The Chairman. He went himself ? Mr. Fees. No. The Chairman. What Stewart is this? Mr. Fees. R. P. Stewart, Assistant Attorney General. The Chairman. Did the chief clerk go ? Mr. Fees. I do not know. Senator Reed. What is this chief clerk's full name ? Mr. Fees. C. E. Stewart. Senator Reed. Let me ask a question or two. Do all of the ac- counts for salaries and expenses for all of the employees of the Attor- ney General's office go through your hands for audit ? Mr. Fees. All that are paid from the Government funds do. Senator Reed. Is there anybody Avho is not paid from Government funds? Mr. Fees. Not that I knoAv of. Senator Reed. How many are there, approximately ? Mr. Fees. You mean how many employees are there in the depart- ment ? Senator Reed. Yes. Mr. Fees. Well, I do not know. I would have to guess if I told you. Senator Reed. Give us your estimate. Mr. Fees. I would say between 250 and 300 in Washington. Senator Reed, Are there employees outside of Washington — and I do not now include district attorneys and other employees, but I mean those who work directly under the Attorney General — are there some of those outside of Washington ? Mr. Fees. There are a few, but I would not attempt to say how many. Senator Reed. Do the secret service men w^ork under the Attorney General ? Mr. Fees. Oh, they work there. I thought you had reference to attornej^s. The special agents' force of the Bureau of Investigation works directly under the supervision of the Chief of the Bureau of Investigation, who is responsible to the Attorney General. Senator Reed. Do those accounts go through your hands? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. So that, as a matter of fact, every expense that has been incurred and the bills rendered by any of the employees under the Attorney General go through your hands ? Mr. Fees. That is, any that are paid by the disbursing clerk of the department. Senator Reed. Do you knoAv of any that are not paid by the dis- bursing clerk of the department? Mr. Fees. No, sir. Senator Reed. About how many of them are there, then, whose accounts go through your hands? Mr. Fees. I do not knoAV. Senator Reed. Could you approximate it? Mr. Fees. I have not any idea. They have made so many changes and reductions in the field force that I have not any idea how many men they have in the field. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2487 Senator Reed. Is it hundreds or is it scores ? Mr. Fees. I should judge thev had two or three hundred in the field. Senator Reed. That is in addition to the emplo3^ees that you first spoke of in the department at Washington? Mr. Fees. In the department at AYashington. Senator Reed. Would it take you very long to take the vouchers of each of those gentlemen, glance at them, and see whether they had been out to San Francisco in the last 90 days ? Mr. Fees. It would take considerable tim^e. When would you want this information? Senator Reed. What do you mean by a considerable time? You could get it by to-morrow afternoon, could you not, easily enough? If you think you can not, we Avill haA^e you bring over all 3^our vouchers and see how quickh^ we can find them. I do not want to put any hardship on jou at all. I thought that maybe you would rather look over them than to tote- them over here. This committee is going to know. Mr. Fees. Do you want them by to-morrow afternoon? It is merely a matter of time. Senator Reed. We Avould like to have them by to-morrow after- noon, but it would do to have them on Saturday morning. Mr. Fees. I am pretty sure that I can get any accounts of any- body working for the department who traveled to San Francisco. Is that it ? The Chairman. At the time of the Democratic convention. Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Bring us the vouchers for those gentlemen, and bring us all of them. Senator Edge. I have just one or two questions. The Chairman. Will 3^011 do that by Saturday" morning? Mr. Fees. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Of your OAvn knowledge, Mr. Fees, do you know what particular governmental activity these men who Avere in San Francisco were engaged in while there? Mr. Fees. Xo, sir. Senator Edge. When you audit accounts of the attaches of the department is it or is it not necessary for you to have some general idea of the object of the visit ? Mr. Fees. It is not necessaiy. I think the laAV and the decisions of the comptroller require that the account be approved by some administrative official in charge of the Avork Avho has knoAvledge of the facts, and payment is made upon his administrative approval and certification. Senator Edge. Then your audit is mosth^ perfunctory? Mr. Fees. Yes; in a manner. We do not have knoAvledge of the facts in connection Avith cA^eiy bit of traA^el that is made. Only once in a Avhile some of those facts Tlie Chair^ian. You said a^ou did not knoAv much about it. You do not knoAv Avhether these men Avent out there Avith the employees of the Department of Agriculture AA^ho happened to be out there? Mr. Fees. I Avould judge from some of these accounts that they Avent out to confer Avith the Department of Justice officials on De- partment of Justice business. 2488 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chaikmajs. Do you knoAv anythins on a battleship out there? Mr. Fees. I have not any idea. Senator Pomerene. Mr. Fees, you stated in answer to a question just asked a moment aet some prominent financial men to accept places? Mr. Levy. Xo; we made no effort to get any prominent financial people. The Chairman. What was the object of the private performance? Why do you not let the public see this affair? Why do you confine it to a few ? Mr. Levy. We are not. We are opening it at two theaters, in order to take care of the crowds. We have sent out 5,000 invitations and about 5,000 people have replied. The Chairman. They are all coming, are they? Mr. Levy. A great big quantity of them. Tlie Chairman. Is it free that night? Mr. Levy. Free. The Chairman. Are you going to have it free all over the country ? Mr. Levy. No, sir. The Chairman. How many places are you going to have it free ? Mr. Levy. Probably one in Chicago. It is customary to have an initial showing of any good picture, and w^e think Ave have got a very good picture. The Chairman. That will be free in Chicago? Mr. Levy. Yes, sir. The Chairman. When are you going to get started all over the country with it? Mr. Levy. Next week some time. The Chairman. You expect to show it right up to election, I sup- pose? Mr. Levy. Until there is not any further sale for it. It usually takes about a year. The Chairman. You think this will last a year? Mr. Levy. I think that the material in this picture has such an appeal for Americanization, outside of the League of Nations, that it will be a very popular picture for all classes of people. The Chairi^ian. Outside of the League of Nations ? Mr. Levy. Yes. The Chairman. Is not this a League of Nations picture? Mr. Levy. I w^ould not characterize it as absolutely a League of Nations picture. It shows Americanism, the way I look at it. The Chairman. I was wondering how it could be for the League of Nations, then. Senator Edge. Did you see the statement b}^ Marsh this morning that we are -much more concerned about the source of contribution, and scan it much more closely, than about the size? Did you read that statement? Mr. Levy. No, sir. Senator Eixje. I Avas wondering if this Avas one of the sources of contributions from Mr. Barney Baruch"$3T,500 does he not guar- antee ? Mr. Levy. There is no guarantee. The Chairman. You liaA^e been getting out literature on the sub- ject, I suppose, to present it? Mr. Lea'y. That is customary in the regular channels, in motion picture papers. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 249a The CijAiRMAN (reading) : All the pathos and heart-gripping interest of the Music Master. Uncle Tom's Cabin, the Man Without a Country, Way Down East, and Abraham Lincoln combined. A distinfruished list of players — George MacQuarrie, as the post- master : William S. Corbett, as Uncle Sam. Who is he ? Mr. Levy. A prominent actor. The Chairman. Paul Kelle}', as Young Sam ; Helen Flint, as Roma, the girl: Leslie Hunt, as Andy Mason; Eugene Keith, as the village fool : and Sheridan Tansey, as the boy Sam. Have you also advertised it in the papers in Xew York — ''Levy produces Uncle Sam of Freedom Ridge " ? Did 3^011 insert this in that paper ? Mr. Levy. Xo ; that is not an ad., as far as I can see. The Chair3l\n. What is it ? It is the New York Review. What is that — a theatrical paper? Mr. Levy. Yes. The Chairman. How much did vou pav the author for this story ? Mr. Levy. $11,500. The Chairman. Did you pay anybody a commission for bringing you and Baruch together on this matter? jNIr. Levy. There was not anybod}^ that brought us together. The Chairman. Who is Gradwell? Mr. Levy. Gradwell is broker for the author. The Chairman. Did he bring you together in any way ? Mr. Levy. Xo, sir; I went to his office. The Chairman. Did he help you interest Mr. Baruch ? Mr. Levy. Xo, sir. The Chairman. Did you pay him anything? ]Mr. Levy. Xo, sir. The Chairman. Does any part of the profits on this affair go to the Democratic campaign? Mr. Levy, ^one Avhatever. The Democratic Party has nothing Avhatever to do with this picture. I do not know anybody connected with the Democratic Party. Senator Pomerene. Are you a Democrat or a Republican? Mr. Levy. L^sually a Democrat. Senator Edge. An ad interim Democrat. Senator Reed. I want to ask a question or two. When was it that you conceived this notion about putting this play on ? Mr. Levy. In June, I believe it was, when the Atlantic Monthly came out. Senator Reed. You just read the story there? Mr. Levy. Yes. Senator Reed. You went to Baruch and spoke to him first about it? Mr. Levy. Xo; I did not go to Baruch until after it came out in the World and after I had been corresponding with the author. Senator Reed. When did you go to Mr. Baruch? Mr. Levy. In the latter part of August. Senator Reed. Of this year, of course? Mr. Levy. Yes. Senator Reed. Mr. Baruch put in $25,000 and vou paid the author $11,500? 2494 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Levy. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. What other expenses are there? Mr. Levy. About twenty-five or thirty thousand dollars in the production of the picture. Senator Eeed. Photoo^raphic work? Mr. Levy. Photographing it and paying the performers, getting out literature necessary to exploit motion pictures. Senator Reed. And there is not any limit upon the amount that Mr. Baruch may be called upon for? Mr. Levy. No, sir. I told him I thought the picture would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $75,000. Senator Reed. So that he will probably be called upon to produce some more money ? Mr. Levy. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. You have got the picture ready for production. You know now what it has cost ? Mr. Levy. It is not quite ready. Senator Reed. It is very nearly ready ? Mr. Levy. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. How much liability has been incurred up to this date? Mr. Levy. I have not all the bills in yet. Senator Reed. Approximate it just as closely as you can. Mr. Levy. Around sixty. Senator Reed. Around $60,000? Mr. Levy. Yes. Senator Reed. Did you agree with Mr. Baruch that you would put it in dollar for dollar against him ? Mr. Levy. Yes. Senator Reed. Are you a member of any company ? Mr. Levy. What kind of company ? Senator Reed. That produces pictures ? Mr. Levy. I am a producer myself. I am president of the com- pany that is producing this picture. Senator Reed. Then are 3^ou a party to this contract, or is the com- pany or corporation ? Mr. Levy. The company. Senator Reed. What is that company ? Mr. Levy. Harry Levy Service Corporation. Senator Reed. How long have you been producing pictures ? Mr. Levy. This company has been in business about four months. Senator Reed. Just about the time you got hold of this picture ? Mr. Levy. No ; I had been in the picture business for four years. Senator Reed. Well, but the company, I mean ? Mr. Levy. This company was organized about four months ago. Senator Reed. Does Mr. Baruch own any stock in it ? Mr. Levy. No, sir. kjenator Reed. Does he own any bonds or securities in it ? Mr. Levy. No, sir. Senator Reed. Any obligations ? Mr. Levy. No, sir. Senator Reed. So, the amount of it is that you went to Mr. Baruch because of his interest in the League of Nations and laid this plan before him. You w^ould not have gone to him if it had not been for PRESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2495 that fact. I take it ? You had no other business reh^tions with him in the past ? Mr. Lm'Y. No, sir. Senator Reed. If the play is a success, he gets his money back? Mr. LE\"5r. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. If it is not a success? ^Ir. Levt. He loses. Senator Reed. Then he has contribute that much toward the League of Xations campaign ? Mr. Levy. I would not say that. He has contributed to a business enterprise. Senator Reed. To a business enterprise that he entered on account of his interest in the League of Xations. Where did you see Mr. Baruch about this? Mr. Levy. At his office in Xew York. Senator Reed. How long did it take you to conduct your negotia- tions ? Mr. Levy. I had four or five meetings with him before we finally agreed. Senator Reed. Did you have any consultation with any other peo- ple than Mr. Baruch ? Mr. Levy. Some people whom he sent me to for the purpose of proving we had ability to produce a motion picture of this quality. Senator Reed. Some people that he sent you to for the purpose of Mr. Levy. He asked questions about our abilit}^ to produce a pic- ture of this kind. Senator Reed. AVould he send you to these people to have you ask them whether you were able to produce it? Mr. Levy. To have them question me, possibly. Senator Reed. To whom did he send you? ^Ir. Levy. To a gentleman by the name of Price, who is president of the Fairbanks outfit. The Chairman. Was Mr. Price formerly Mr, McAdoo's assistant? Mr. Levy. I do not know ; I never met him. He sent me to John Golden, who is the owner of Lightning," in New York, that famous play that had such a long run. Senator Reed. You got their opinions, did you ? ^Ir. Levy. Xo. sir; they got an idea of my opinion and reported back to Mr. Baruch. Senator Reed. Did you ever see anybody else ? ^Ir. Levy. Xo. Senator Reed. Did Mr. Baruch have you consult with other people? Mr. Levy. Xo. Senator Reed. Did yon not know that Mr. Baruch had something to do with circulating this newspaper story? Mr. LE^^r. Not until I read it in the paper giving the testimony at the committee meeting in Chicago. Senator Reed. Did he not tell you about that ? Mr. Le\^. Xo, sir. Senator Reed. You bought the picture rights, or did you buy the story ? 2496 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Levy. I bought the picture rights only. Senator Reed. Do you know how Mr. Baruch got the story rights ? Mr. Levy. I do not know whether he has it. Senator Reed. Do you know whether it was ever copyrighted ? Mr. Levy. I do not knoAv. Senator Reed. Did you pay $11,500 for a noncopyrighted story? Mr. Levy. I paid $11,500. I do not remember exactly — that was left to my attorney to look out for the validity of Avhat I Avas paying for. Senator Reed. Do you knoAv Avhether Mr. Baruch paid the author of the story any other sum of money ? Mr. Levy. I do not knoAv anything about it. Senator Edgi^. When did you start preparing the picture for pro- duction — in Avhat month? Mr. Levy. Immediately after our arrangement — rlie end of August. Senator Edge,. And it Avas ready for production on the screen the next Aveek? Mr. Levy. We Avere going to have it ready by SundaA^ Senator Edge. That has consumed just a little OA^er a month in preparation ? Mr Levy. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. What is the usual time required to prepare a pic- ture of that character for the screen? Mr. Levy. It depends on the story. Senator Edge. Well, a story of that character. Mr. Levy. It may be done in one AA^eek, tAvo Aveeks, four months, or a year. Senator Edge. As a matter of fact, does it not re(]uire from four to six months to produce a dramatic picture of that character for exhibition on the screen ? Mr. Levy. Not ahvays. Senator Reed. Does this picture take vou OA'er to Europe, to the battlefields? Mr. Levy. No. Senator Reed. It is all in this country ? Mr. Lea Y. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. You have hurried the production of the picture as much as possible, have you not? Mr. Lea Y. We Avorked along in our usual Avay. Senator Edge. With the object of getting it out before election? Mr. Levy. I realize that while all this controA^ersy is going on it is good material for a motion picture. Senator Edge. You Avanted to get this out as far before election as possible. Did not that interest Mr. Baruch, Avhen he put up $37,000? Mr. Levy. He asked about it. Senator Reed. Do you Avant to call Mr. Baruch ? Senator Pomerene. If you do you better send word to him, as I recall he Avas leaving tonight. He said he AA^ould be glad to giA^e the committee any information he possessed on the subject, and you better send for him if you Avant him. He is noAv at the Shoreham Hotel. PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2497 TESTIMONY OF MR. LOEEN C. TALBOT, HEADaTJARTERS DEMO- CRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE, NEW YORK CITY. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) Senator Reed. Are you connected with the Stars and Stripes? Mr. Talbot. Xo, sir; I am a letter writer for the national Demo- cratic committee. Senator Reed. You are connected with the Democratic national committee ? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. In what capacity? Mr. Talbot. As a letter writer. Senator Reed. Are you in Mr. Jamieson's department ? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And you are located in Washington ? Mr. Talbot. Well, just now I am in New York. Senator Reed. At the Democratic headquarters ? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you have charge of the correspondence of the division of finance under Mr. tlamieson ? Mr. Talbot. Wei], a portion of it ; yes, sir. The Chairman. And do you ha ve noAV ? Mr. Talbot. Yes. The Chairman. And how long have you had such charge ? Mr. Talbot. Since about the 1st of October, last year. The Chairman. Do you know of the different type of letters that have been sent out by that department ? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir ; I think I do. The Chairman. Were they form letters? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How many different forms of letters were used — I mean in soliciting funds? Mr. Talbot. I could not say. There has been — oh, probably seven or eight ; maybe more. The Chairman. Have you the forms with you ? Mr. Talbot. No ; I have not. The Chairman. Will you bring to us the different forms of letters used in soliciting funds ? Mr. Talbot. I think I have most of them here; possibly not all of them. The Chairman. Will you do that in the morning ? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Over that period, as I understand? . The Chairman. For the entire time you were there, from October last year. Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you have any particular form of letters for postmasters ? Mr. Talbot. No, sir. The Chairman. For Federal officials ? Mr. Talbot. No, sir. The Chairman. Did you write postmasters? 182774— 20— PT 18 6 2498 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Talbot. Letters probably found their way to postmasters. The Chairman. Did you have a list of postmasters? Mr. Talbot. Not to my knowledge; no, sir. I w^ould not know anything about that. The Chairman. So if letters found their way to postmasters, it was just as they found their way to anyone else? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir; to any other Democrat. The Chairman. Hoay Avere the amounts ascertained that you asked people to contribute? Mr. Talbot. Well, there were various methods tried out. I am not familiar with them, and I do not know how they reached that. The Chairman. Who is familiar with that ? Mr. Talbot. Why, I think Mr. Jamieson is. The Chairman. Did you not sit in at the council meetings ? Mr. Talbot. Yes; I did. I say, I have a general knowledge. The Chairman. What is your general knoAvledge " ? Mr. Talbot. Why, that we wrote and sent out blank forms asking the name and address and the worth of a Democrat, with the idea of getting at about how much to ask him for. The Chairman. And then you met around the table and decided what each one should pay ? Mr. Talbot. Oh, no. The Chairman. What you thought they should pay, because you wrote them for specific sums, did you not ? Mr. Talbot. Why, in some instances, yes ; generally we did, yes. The Chairman. So you sat down and considered what the Demo- crat was worth and what his income was, which you had ascertained, and you had this on a card, did you not ? Mr. Talbot. Well, no — yes, yes. The Chairman. Well, " no, yes " ; which is it ? Mr. Talbot. Yes. The Chairman. And then you fixed the amount on the card, did you not, for that Democrat to pay ? Mr. Talbot. I believe that is correct; yes, sir. The Chairman. Had you a list of the Liberty loan subscribers to work with? Mr. Talbot. Not to my knowledge ; no, sir. The Chairman. Nothing of that kind? Mr. Talbot. Not to my knowledge. The Chairman. When you had ascertained what you thought the Democrat ought to pay, then you sent him the letter? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And this was the amount expected of him? Mr. Talbot. I did not write all of those letters, understand. The Chairman. No ; but you had form letters ? Mr. Talbot. Oh, yes ; I Avrote some form letters. The Chairman. Did you send out special-delivery letters to any of these people? Mr. Talbot. Why, I think so, but these letters — the envelopes were not addressed in my department, and I do not know how that was. The Chairman. Did you have some provision for sending the let- ters to their homes as distinguished from the places of business ? Mr. Talbot. Yes ; that is my understanding. The Chairman. Did you use that on any but Federal officials ? presidp:xtiaj. campaign expenses. 2499 ^Ir. Talbot. I believe not. The Chairman. You had rubber stamps for that purpose ? Mr. Talbot. I do not know as to that. The Chairman. But where there was a Federal official that you were Avriting to, you used a rubber stamp so that it would go to his home and not to his place of business? Mr. Talbot. We used this envelope. The Chairman. That was stamped, was it not ? Mr. Talbot. I do not know about that. The Chairman. What did you mean a minute ago when you said there was a rubber stamp used ? Mr. Talbot. I do not think I mentioned a rubber stamp. The Chairman. Or that you put special delivery stamps on letters to their homes? Mr. Talbot. Yes ; that is true. There were special delivery letters sent to their homes. Jine Chairman. To their homes? Mr. Talbot. Yes ; and on this envelope was a statement — 1 do not know just how it read — but to deliver at the residence only. The Chairman. Why was that? Mr. Talbot, i presume it was to comply with the postal regula- tions that contributions should not be solicited on Federal property. The Chairman. Did you have any separate files for postmasters? Mr. Talbot. Well, not to my knowledge; that is outside of my department. The Chairman. Who would know about that ? Mr. Talbot. I presume Mr. Jamieson would know, and l presume Mrs. Parke. The Chairman. How many letters did you send out per day^ about ? Mr. Talbot. That varied. I have not any way of estimating that. I would not know about that. The Chairman. You had separate quarters from the Democratic national committee, did you not ? Mr. Talbot. Yes ; I had a separate office. The Chairman. How was the rent paid for those offices? Mr. Talbot. I do not know as to that. The Chairman. Did you have nothing to do Avith that ? Mr. Talbot. Xo, sir. The Chairman. We have had the office force before us in an inves- tigation, and it is hardly necessary to go into that. Was any list kept of district attarneys ? Mr. Talbot. Xot to my knowledge ; no, sir. The Chairman. Or people employed by the Government in any way? Was any differentiation made? Mr. Talbot. Well, I do not know as to that. The Chairman. How would you know then when to place upon the envelope to be delivered at the homes ? Mr. Talbot. I say that was done in another department. The Chairman. Then, if you had the system of sending letters to employees at their homes you must have had a list of Federal em- ployees. Mr. Talbot. I presume there was a list along with a good many Democrats. 2500 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Do you not know there Avas a list ? Mr. Talbot. No ; I do not. The Chairman. Then how could you have distinguished if John Smith was a Federal employee, and why did you use a registered letter to John Smith? Mr. Talbot. I would not know anything about that, because the envelopes were not addressed in my department. The Chairman. You had nothing to do with that? Mr. Talbot. No, sir. The Chairman. Was there any special form of letter to be sent to people to whom you wanted deliA^ery made at their homes? Mr. Talbot. No, sir. The Chairman. You used the same form, did you ? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. You had different cards for the different sub- scribers ? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Were there different colored cards, some blue ? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What were the blue ones? Mr. Talbot. I do not know as to that. The Chairman. And some were white? Mr. Talbot. Yes. The Chairman. Why Avere some blue and Avhy were some white? Mr. Talbot. Well, I can not tell you that. The Chairman. Was not. one color used for Federal emplo^^ees and anotlier for those who Avere not? Mr. Talbot. In a general Avay, I think that is correct. The Chairman. Why not tell us about that? What is the use of saying " in a general Avay " ? Is not that a fact that the blue cards AA^ere for Federal officials? Mr. Talbot. I do not know about that ; I am not positive about it, because that Avas not in my department. The Chairman. Why did you say " in a general Avay " that was true ? Mr. Talbot. I say I have that impression. The Chairman. It is your impression noAv? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. That the blue cards Avere for the officials, or the Avhite ones? Mr. Talbot. The colored cards ; yes, sir. The Chairman. So that you could reach into the place and get a colored card that would mean an official, and then you would send the request to him by registered letter; Avas not that the S3^stem? Mr. Talbot. I did not knoAv about that, because I had nothing to do Avith the cards Avhatever. I simply wrote the letters. The Chairman. Did you have any different system in cities of over 50,000 population and under 50,000? Mr. Talbot. I do not think so ; no, sir. The Chairman. You do not think you did? Mr. Talbot. No, sir. The Chairman. Where is this work being carried on now? Mr. Talbot. In Ncav York. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2501 The Chairman. Is not this convention hall here being used? Mr. Talbot. Oh, yes ; that is being used. The Chairman. Do you know what rental is being paid for that? Mr. Talbot. I do not know. sir. The Chairman. How large a force is in the convention hall doing this work ? Mr. Talbot. I do not know that ; I have not been down there. The Chairman. And you also have offices in the Woodward Build- ing? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you spend part of your time there? Mr. Talbot. I have up until the last 10 days. The Chairman. How large a force was employed there up to that time ? ^Ir. Talbot. Let us see. Well, when I left, I should think there were six or eight. The Chairman. In the morning will you bring us the form let- ters: that is, samples of the different form letters and samples of the colored cards ? Mr. Talbot. I think I can get those. I am not positive. I think I can get them. The Chairman. Oh, 1 guess you can get them if you try. You will do that, will you ? Mr. Talbot. I will try to do so ; yes, sir. Senator Edge. This activity, as I understand it, was solely for the purpose of raising money for the Democratic national campaign ; is that correct ? Mr. Talbot. You mean Senator Edge (interposing). This activity of sending out letters broadcast throughout the country. Mr. Talbot. Xot entirely so. Senator Edge. What was it for ? Mr. Talbot. Publicity and propaganda. Senator Edge. But did not every one of those letters contain a request for funds ? ^Ir. Talbot. Oh, no : I should not think so ; no. Senator Edge. You should not think so, and you are the letter writer ? Mr. Talbot. I know some did not. Senator Edge. W^ould you furnish us, then, to-morrow morning, a sample form of letter that went out to Democrats without any sug- gestion of funds ? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir ; I think I can. Senator Edge. What was the object of that letter? Mr. Talbot. Just to get in the list of names. Senator Edge. The original inquiry for names ? Mr. Talbot. For names. Senator Edge. And after you received that, then, were any letters sent out that did not request funds ? Mr. Talbot. No ; I think not. Senator Edge. That clears it up. Approximately, how many letters did you send out during this campaign ? Mr. Talbot. You mean since October last year ? 2502 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. Yes ; since you started. Mr. Talbot. I do not know ; I would say about 300,000 letters. Senator Edge. All under first-class or special-delivery postage? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. That was rather an expensive undertaking, was it not ? Mr. Talbot. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. You were a member of the council, as I understand it, that discussed policy. Did you have any limit beyond which you would not have accepted funds as a return for this solicitation? Mr. Talbot. Why, I think not. The idea was to get a great number of Democrats who were willing to make small contributions, or up to any amount he did care to make. Senator Edge. You did not confine it to small contributions in the amount that you mentioned in some of the forms, did you? Mr. Talbot. Why, yes. Senator Edge. What was the maximum? Mr. Talbot. The maximum Senator Edge (interposing). Amount you asked for? Mr. Talbot. I can not state as to that. I know what the maximum I asked for was— $1,000. Senator Edge. Was it $1,000? Mr. Talbot. Yes. Senator Edge. You would not consider that a small contribution? Mr. Talbot. Oh, no; I should not. But, then, we have asked others for much smaller amounts — a dollar or two. Senator Edge. You say jou sent out 300,000 letters, approxi- mately ? Mr. Talbot. That would be my guess. Senator Edge. If the response had been at all satisfactory and the average had been anything you want to make it, you would have returned some of the money ? Mr. Talbot. Well, that would not be for me to determine. Senator Edge. What did you do with the money when it came in ; where was it sent from your office ? Mr. Talbot. I do not know as to that. Senator Edge. Was it not sent to the national treasurer? Mr. Talbot. I do not know ; I presume so. I have nothing to do Avith that at all. Senator Edge. But in your conferences did there ever appear a suggestion that there should be any limit to the amount of money that you should raise ? Mr. Talbot. Why, I think not ; no. Senator Edge. If 300,000 letters were sent out, and if the average would be $10 — many of them not responding, but some of them giv- ing $1,000 and on down — it would have amounted to $3,000,000, would it not— ten times 300,000? Mr. Talbot. Why, certainly. Senator Pomerene. 'V^Hiat did it amount to ? Senator Edge. I was just going to ask him that question. How much did you actually get ? Mr. Talbot. As I understand it, we were out $200,000. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2503 Senator Edge. Then the response from the people all over the country was not at all satisfactory ? Mr. Talbot. No, sir. Senator Edge. Was not inspiring? Mr. Talbot. Not particularly so. Senator Edge. Now, so far as I understand it from your testimony, your desire and hope and intent was to raise as large a fund as possible ? Mr. Talbot. Absolutely; yes, sir. The Chairman. If you keep on with that system you will be pretty far behind, according to your idea ? Mr. Talbot. I should think so. The Chairman. The committee w^ill now stand adjourned until 10.30 o'clock to-morrow morning. (Thereupon at 5.30 o'clock p. m. the committee adjourned to meet to-morrow, Friday, September 24, 1920, at 10.30 o'clock a. m.) X THE UBHftHT GF THE DEC 12 1331 UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOI PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES HEARING BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS UNITED STATES SENATE SIXTY-SIXTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION PURSUANT TO S. RES. 357 A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS TO INVESTIGATE THE CxVMPAIGN EXPENSES OF VARIOUS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES IN ALL POLITICAL PARTIES PART 19 Printed for tlie use of the Committee on Privileges and Elections ^ m UBEART GF THE W DEC 12 >331 UNIVERSITY OF ILLINC 382774 WASHINGTON GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 1920 COMMrrj'EE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS. WILLIAM P. DILLINGHAM, Vermont, Chairman. WILLIAM S. KENYON, Iowa. LAWRENCE Y. SHERMAN, Illinois. ALBERT B. FALL, New Mexico. PHILANDER C. KNOX, Pennsylvania. SELDEN P. SPENCER., Missouri. JAMES W. WADSWORTH, JR., New York. JAMES E. WATSON, Indiana. WALTER E. EDGE, New Jersey. Charles A. Webb, Clerk. ATLEE POMERENE, Ohio. JAMES A. REED, Missouri. THOMAS J. WALSH, Montana. WILLIAM H. KING, Utah. JOSIAH O. WOLCOTT, Delaware; HENRY F. ASHURST, Arizona. Subcommittee on S. Res. 357. WILLIAM S. KENYON, Chairman. SELDEN P. SPENCER. JAMES A. REED. WALTER E. EDGE. ATLEE POMERENE. Charles A. Webb, Clerk. II PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 1920. United States Senate, Subcommittee on Privileges and Elections, Washington^ D. C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to adjournment, at 10.30 o'clock a. m., in room 426, Senate Office Building, Washington, D. C, Senator William S. Kenyon presiding. Present : Senators Kenyon (chairman) , Edge, Reed, and Pomerene. TESTIMONY OF MR. R. P. STEWART. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. The Chairman. What is your full name for the record? Mr. Stewart. R. P. Stewart, Assistant Attorney General, I noticed that my name was mentioned in connection with an ac- count submitted by me. The Chairman. Have 3^011 the vouchers that were here yesterday? Mr. Stewart. Yes. Referring to voucher 25069, submitted by me, that was in connection with trips to Chicago, Seattle, and San Fran- cisco. Senator Pomerene. Mr. Attorney General, before you go into that suppose you indicate in a general way what part of the work of the department you have charge of. Mr. Stewart. I have charge of the fraud cases, the criminal work generally throughout the United States. In connection with work some months ago there was a considerable investigation made in and around the northern Pacific shipyard dis- trict. A congressional committee — I believe it was part of the Walsh committee — went to Seattle and came back. We received their re- ports. We had a large number of men investigating that condition there, both in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and San Diego. This work was carried along, and finally it became necessary ta appoint a special assistant. We appointed a man named Bird Schlessinger, who was recommended as a very able trial lawyer in. San Francisco, so as to remove the local influence that might other- wise be urged in case we had appointed a man from Seattle. Senator Reed. This man lived in San Francisco ? Mr. Stewart. This man lived in San Francisco — A. B. Schles- singer, a well-known attorney of that city. Frequent requests were received for some one connected with the department to come to Seattle. Lawyers connected with the defense came to Washington and insisted that they were improper cases^ 2505 2506 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. cases that should not have been brought, and should be dismissed. The press was quite active in its denunciation of the cases that were being investigated. That necessitated some one going out there. Preliminarily, Mr. Pagan, an indictment expert, was sent out. He was there, I think, about two weeks at the time I went out there. But to summarize briefly, to go on, there were indictments returned against a large number of defendants in Seattle, and it was desired by the department, and considered proper, for some one from the department to go there who was authorized to direct matters. Senator Pomerene. In a general way, what was the subject of these indictments ? Mr. Stewart. They were indictments under section 37, indictments under section 35, the filing of false claims, conspiracy to file false claims, and conspiracy to defraud the Ignited States under section 37. They were cases of wide-reaching importance and involved a good deal of money. Then there was some civil litigation at that time in- volving about $3,000,000. It was talked over in the department, and Judge Ames agreed with me that I should go out there, and some other man familiar with the vast amount of material. I also had a request from Mr. Joseph Fleming, who was in the I. W. W. cases — known as the Haywood cases in Chicago — to come out there and see a situation or confer with him as to a situation that had developed there. He was not satisfied with the briefs that had been filed and wanted a supplemental brief, and I had that also to look into. Mr. Humes, a special assistant to the Attorney General, was in charge of the Grunau cases, so called. I left as soon as I could leave the work that had accumulated in the department and went to Chicago. I arrived there on the 11th Senator Eeed. Of June? Mr. Stewart. Of June. I saw Mr. Fleming, Mr. Caldwell, and Mr. Clyne in the afternoon, and finished with them. Then I saw Humes in the afternoon and made an appointment and saw him in the night, and we finished up the matter of policy that was in question as to the Grunau case, which was that it was not in proper shape to present to a o-rand iury at that time. I left there and went to Seattle, and was on^the train the 11th, 12th, and 13th, arriving in Seattle on the even- ing of the 14th of June. I stayed in Seattle until the 20th of June; left there at 5 o'clock. . i -^i From that time I conferred with everybody connected with the cases out there, and went into the matter generally and made arrange- ments where omissions had been made— conducted such conferences as a representative of the department would conduct. ^ , , ^ ^ Mr Sclilessinger, the chief man, the man to whom we looked to try the case, was engaged in the trial of whatsis known as the McDpnough case out in San Francisco at the time. I decided that 1 would go to San Francisco. I went there and arrived on the 22d. I saw hchies- singer several days with Ben Moore, another man m the cases, and we had a very thorough conference there. I decided that it was proper for me, if I desired it, considering the way I ^yas feeling at the time, to take annual leave if I desii;ed I l^^d had no vacation and I took from the 25th of June until the oth of July, 1920, and made no charge whatever for it. o i i o Referring to these two vouchers, after the 6th oiMth I saw Schles- sino-er. Some matter had been forwarded to me from U ashmgton, PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2507 and I went over that with him. I left on the 8th and came to Chicago, where Mr. S. R. Rush had arranged for a conference on some matters he had been engaged in, took up some matters with Mr. Cl3^ne, came directly back to Washington, and have been here ever since. Senator Edge. When were these congressional committee investi- gations? Mr. Stewart. That was the Walsh committee — I think sometime about March, or possibly before that. I am not accurate as to the time. Senator Edge. As a matter of fact, did not they occur during July, June, or August of 1919? Mr. Stewart. I would not say they did not. Senator Edge. If that information is correct, then your trip out there to consider some of the conditions that arose through those in- vestigations was practically a year later? Mr. Stew^art. There was nothing in the Walsh files that was of material assistance to us. That which I w^as concerned with was the data that our agents put there compiled. Senator Edge. I understood you to say that the congressional com- mittee had developed some things and asked some representative of your department to go out there. Did you not say that? Mr. Stewart. That may have been so understood, but I meant to say that I was referring to that for the purpose of identification and mentioned that as the same subject matter which had been the sub- ject of investigation by our department. The Chairman. Hoav long have you been in 'the department? Mr. Stewart. A year, July last. The Chairjian. Where was your home? Mr. Stew^art. South Dakota. The Chairman. You say you went to Chicago on this trip to con- fer with District Attorney Clyne? Mr. Stewart, I did The Chairman. Did you see him there? Mr. Stewart. I did; and Mr. Joseph Fleming also. The Chairman. Was Mr; Clyne a delegate to the Saii Francisco Convention ? Mr. Steavart. I do not think he was, but I think lie was out there. He had a proxy — so I understood afterwards. The Chairman. Do you know whether or not he w^as there work- ing for Mr. Palmer? Mr. Stewart. Well, I did not see him do any work, but I imagine he would work for Palmer if he Avere there. The Chairman. You do not know whether he was a delegate. He had a proxy, did he not, and he kept on voting for Palmer after every one else had left him ? Mr. Steavart. He had a proxy. The Chairman. Your conference was entirely OA^er department matters? Mr. Steavart. Absolutely; and Mr Fleming, particularly The Chairman. Who is he? Mr. Steavart. He is a member of the firm of McCormick, Patter- son & Fleming, a firm of attorneys in the Tribune Building. The CHAHi.AiAN. What is his business? 2508 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Stewart. He was a former assistant United States attorney; and we had a man in the Haywood cases for a year. He was sud- denly stricken, and we had to get Joseph Fleming on the case. He was on that case. The Chairman. The Haywood case? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Was that the matter that you went to confer with him about? Mr. Stewart. That was one of the matters. The Chairman. What is the condition of the Haywood case ? Mr. Stewart. It was submitted there. It was argued two days after I was there. The Chairman. Wliere was it argued? Mr. Stewart. In the Circuit Court of Appeals of the Seventh Circuit. The Chairman. The briefs Avere all done when you got there? Mr. Stewart. The briefs had been prepared, and they were unsat- isfactory. The Chairman. A¥hat changes did you make in the briefs? Mr. Stewart. Mr. Fleming had the proofs of a supplementary brief. He was dissatisfied with the character of the briefs that were filed and wanted me to pass on this supplemental brief. That brief was not filed until after the argument. The Chairman. What changes did you make in the brief? Mr. Stewart. Well, you mean in treatment of the supplemental brief ? The Chairman. Yes. Mr. Stewart. It went into the law of the subject of search and seizure. The Chairman. Did you make any changes in it? Mr. Steavart. I did not make any changes in the brief as filed, but simply went over the supplemental brief. The Chairman, elust looked the brief over? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Could you not have looked it over if it had been sent down to Washington? Mr. Stewart. I think I could, without a doubt. The Chairman. There was no particular reason for your going to Chicago. Who asked you to go there ? Mr. Stewart. Both Clyne and Fleming. The Chairman. Had they written you letters to come? Mr. Stewart. Either that, or Clyne had mentioned it personally when he was down there. The Chairman. When? Mr. Steavart. I do not know just when it was. The Chairman. You say Mr. Clyne had requested you to come. If you have any letter from Mr. Clyne, or any telegram requesting you to come, we would like to have you produce it. Mr. Stewart. I will see if I can find one. The Chairman. Do you know whether you have one or not? Mr. Stewart. I do not. The Chairman. If you haA'^e not any letter, hoAV did you get the request to come? PRESIDEN^TIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2509 Mr. Stewart. It is my impression that I got it from Mr. Clyne when he was in Washington, and there may be a letter. It is my impression that there is a letter from Mr. Fleming, and I will look for it. The Chairmax. When was he in Washington? Mr. Stewart. He has been down a good rnam' times. The Chairman. This particular time when he requested you to come ? Mr. Stewart. I have not recalled that. I could not tell you that, sir. The Chairman. Is that the only business you had at Chicago? Mr. Stewart. No ; I wanted to see Mr. Humes. The Chairman. Who is he ? Mr. Steavart. Mr. Humes was a special assistant in charge of a case invohdng the outlaw switchmen's strike. The Chairman. What was the condition of that case ? Mr. Stea\ ART. That case had been partially investigated, but it was declared on his part to know whether he should go ahead with it or not, in view of the testimony that he had. The Chairman. Was he a special assistant? Mr. Stewart. He was. The Chairman. Where was he from? Mr. Stewart. He was from Pittsburgh. The Chairman. Had he had anything to do with the Crucible Steel case? Mr. Stewart. I do not think he did. The Chairman. W^as he at Chicago at the time? Mr. Stewart. He was. The Chairman. Had you arranged to meet him there or did you just happen to meet him? Mr. Stewart. I can not say how it was I met him. I was going to meet him there, and I do not Imow just how it was that I made arrangements ; but I know he wanted to see me. I think it was by reason of a phone call from him asking that I would be there. The Chairman. Where was the phone call from? Mr. Stewart. From Chicago. The Chairman. At that time had an injunction been issued or applied for in this outlaw strike ? Were there any legal proceedings started in the outlaw strike ? Mr. Stewart. I think that the injunction had been issued. The Chairman. Had been issued? Mr. Stewart. I think so. The Chairman. In what court? Mr. Stewart. I do not know. That was handled by Mr. Mitchell. I was consulted as to the extent of the evidence which Mr. Humxes had and upon which he expected to make a presentment to the grand jury. The Chairman. You knew the facts: you went over the facts, did you not ? Mr. Stewart. Well, in a general way with him; yes. The Chairman. What were the facts that you went over? Mr. Stewart. The facts were, as he developed them, that these men, by virtue of an agreement, had agreed to enter into this strike and thereby limit the transportation and distribution of necessaries under the labor act. 2510 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chaikman. Had he gone ahead and gotten a decree, a tem- porary injunction? Mr. Stewart. No ; he had nothing to do with that. He had been sent down there The Chairman. To investigate it ? Mr. Stewart. Not to investigate it, but to take the results of the Chicago investigation and present them to a grand jury. The Chairman. Just what had you to do with that? Mr. Stewart. I really was not handling that particular case, but being there and representing the department, I told him that I did not think that he had sufficient evidence to present to a grand jury. The Chairman. You would not have gone to Chicago just for that purpose ? Mr. Stewart. I would not. The Chairman. And you did not go there just for that purpose? Mr. Stewart. No, sir. The Chairman. The real matter in Chicago was to look over the- supplementary brief in the Haywood case ? Mr. k5TEWART. It was. The Chairman. How much of a brief was that? Mr. Stewart. It was in proof form when I saw it, and I imagine it had about 100 pages. The Chairman. It was not filed until the matter was argued? Mr. Stewart. It was not. The Chairman. Did the court grant some extension of time for filing? Mr. Stewart. I think it did. The Chairman. So it could have just as well been sent down here free of postage and you could have looked it over here ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Then just Avhy did you go to Chicago? Mr. Stewart. I was on my way to Seattle, and I stopped off and saw these gentlemen. The Chairman. Had you arranged to go to Seattle before you decided to stop off at Chicago ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. When did you make up your mind to go to- Seattle ? Mr. Stewart. I was first requested to go to Seattle about the latter part of March or April. The Chairman. March or April? Mr. Stewart. Yes. sir. The Chairman. Who requested you? Mr. Stewart. Mr. Foster, the special agent in charge there. The Chairman. In charge where? Mr. Stewart. At Seattle. The Chairman. Were there any cases pending there then, or what was the Mr. Stewart. Yes. The Chairman. Cases were pending? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Indictments? Mr. Stewart. Some indictments had already been found. The Chairman. Had any cases been tried ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2511 Mr. Stewart. None. The Chairman. Who was the district attorney there ? Mr. Stewart. Mr. Saunders. The Chairman. A competent man? Mr. Stewart. Yes. The Chairman. How many assistants has he ? Mr. Stewart. Two, I think. The Chairman. Had the agents of the Department of Justice been out at Seattle helping in this case ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How many of them ? Mr. Stewart. Fourteen or fifteen. The Chairman. How long had they been out there ? Mr. Stewart. Since about January. The Chairman. And the district attorney and his assistants Mr. Stewart. I do not know all of them. The Chairman. Were there any special assistants appointed for that work? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How many? Mr. Stewart. Two. The Chairman. Who were they? Mr. Stewart. One was a Mr. Ben L. Moore, of Seattle — first Mr. Schlessinger was appointed at San Francisco. The Chairman. Special attorneys in those cases? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How many special attorneys are there in the De- partment of Justice ? Mr. Stewart. I do not know. The Chairman. How many have been appointed in the last six months ? Mr. Stew art. I do not know that, sir. The Chairman. Who will know that ? Mr. Stewart. Mr. C. E. Stewart. The Chairman. Is he the chief clerk ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What were the cases at Seattle? Mr. Stewart. There had been a very broad investigation there, and I think the indictments that had been returned at that time were in the case of United States against Blaine, United States against Ward, Schubach, Rogers, Shorts and some others, and the Seaborn Ship- yards. The Chairman. Were those returned in March? Mr. Stewart. I think it was about the first part of April, or in March. The Chairman. What were the shipyards indictments? Mr. Stewart. You mean the character of charges? The Chairman. The shipyards were not indicted, were they ? Mr. Stewart. The corporations. The Chairman. What were they indicted for? Mr. Stewart. If I had the files I could very readily give you that. The Chairman. You know in a general way, do you not ? Mr. Stewart. I know in a general way there was a case against Grays Harbor Motor Corporation, a conspiracy to present a false 2512 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. claim for money alleged to be due the corporation by reason of the bonus which they were entitled to, or claimed to be entitled to, under the contracts for building ships. The Chairman. How much was the false claim? Mr. Stewart. In that case I have forgotten the exact amount; I could not tell you. The Chairman. Was it large or small? Mr. Stewart. It was large. The Chairman. That indictment had been returned around the 1st of April? Mr. Stewart. Around the 1st of April. The Chairman. Has that case been tried yet ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. When was it tried? Mr. Stewart. Week before last. The Chairman. What w^as the result of it? Mr. Stew^art. The defendants were acquitted. The Chairman. How much time did these 12 or 14 special agents spend on that case? Mr. Stewart. All of their time. The Chairman. For how long? Mr. Stewart. I do not know. You asked how many went out there. I am afraid you meant about Mai;ch or April. I do not know how many were there at that time. You would have to ask Mr. Neal, of the Bureau of Investigation. He can tell you the exact number. The Chairman. When you were there how many special agents were there? Mr. Stewart. Fourteen or fifteen, accountants and all. They had a number of accountants there. The Chairman. Were they in your consultations? Mr. Stewart. Some of them were. The Chairman. Did they all go out from here? Mr. Stewart. No, sir; they went from different parts of the United States. The Chairman. How many of those special agents went down to San Francisco for the consultations ? Give us their names. Mr. Stewart. None went for any other consultation at San Fran- cisco. The Chairman. How many went to the Democratic convention? Mr. Stewart. I do not know that any went for that purpose. The Chairman. How many were there during the time you w^ere there ? Mr. Stewart. Mr. Foster The Chairman. What is his first name? Mr. Stewart. Walter C. Foster. The Chairman. What is his position? Mr. Stewart. He is a special agent. The Chairman. Did he go from Seattle to San Francisco? Mr. Stewart. He did. The Chairman. When? Mr. Stew art. We went down in the same train. He was not with me. The Chairman. His expenses were paid by the Government? Mr. Stewart. I assume so. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2513 The Chairman. Do you know how long he stayed in San Fran- cisco ? Mr. Stewart. I do not. I know that he had a number of matters there. The Chairman. Oh, yes ; but he stayed during the convention, did he not? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. When did he leave San Francisco? Mr. Stew^art. I do not know. The Chairman. Who else went? Mr. Steavart. Mr. Neal went down. The Chairman. What is Mr. Neal's first name? Mr. Stewart. W. J. Neal. The Chairman. Is he a special agent? Mr. Stewart. He was the Acting Chief of the Bureau of In- vestigation. The Chairman. Had he gone from Washington to Seattle? Mr. Stew^\rt. He did. The Chairman. Did he go with you? Mr. Stewart. He went with me. The Chairman. Of course, at Government expense. Where is his home — what State ? Mr. Stewart. He lives here in Washington. The Chairman. But what State does he come from ? Mr. Stewart. I think he is a resident of the District. The Chairman. A resident of Washington ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How long did he stay at San Francisco? Mr. Stewart. He stayed there as long as I did. The Chairman. That was until after the convention? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did he come back with you ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir; at my request. He was going on, but I told him I thought he had better come back. The Chairman. Where was he going? Where did he want to go? Mr. Stewart. He was desirous of staying there with Mr. Foster in connection with some further investigation of the San Francisco Shipyard. Tlie Chairman. So Mr. Foster stayed a while, did he ? Mr. Stewart. I said I did not know when Foster went home. The Chairman. Who else went down with you, at about that time, from Seattle? Mr. Stewart. There was a man named Kelly, Ralph Kelly, special agent. The Chairman. Where is his home? Mr. Stewart. I do not know. The Chairman. Had he gone from Washington to Seattle with you ? Mr. Stewart. No ; no one went with me but The Chairman. Neal? Mr. Stewart. Yes. The Chairman. Was Kelly there during the whole convention ? Mr. Steavart. Yes ; I saw him there. 2514 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Where did you see him — around the Palmer head- quarters ? Mr. Stewart. Yes ; on the street and in the hotel. The Chairman. Where were the Palmer headquarters? Mr. Stewart. At the St. Francis Hotel. The Chairman. Did you spend a good deal of your time there? Mr. Stewart. Yes. The Chairman. You saw Mr. Kelly and Mr. Neal and Mr. Foster there? Mr. Stewart. Off and on. I did not see them there very much. The Chairman. There was not any work there • for the special agents to do around the headquarters, was there ? Mr. Stewart. They did not pretent to do anything except to drop in there, I suppose? The Chairman. Who else besides Mr. Foster, Mr. Neal, and Mr. Kelly? Mr. Stewart. That is all I remember. The Chairman. You do not know of any more? Mr. Stewart. I do not know of any more. The Chairman. How many of the employees of the Department of Justice did you see around San Francisco — most all of them ? Mr. Stewart. Does that cover those outside of the immediate de- partment in Washington, or do you mean that I know over the United States ? The Chairman. Let us start with Washington. How many of the employees of Washington did you see there ? Mr. Stewart. I saw Mr. Scott, and Mr. Spellisy. The Chairman. Mr. Spellisy — who is he? Mr. Stewart. Assistant Attorney General. The Chairman. Mr. Scott — what is his position? Mr. Stewart. Private secretary to the Attorney General. The Chairman. Who else? Mr. Stewart. I saw Mr. Laskey. The Chairman. Who is Mr. Laskey? Mr. Stewart. He is a delegate from the District. He is United States Attorney in the District. The Chairman. What is his first name? Mr. Stewart. John. The- Chairman. Who else ? Mr. Stewart. I saw Judge Nebeker. The Chairman. He is Assistant Attorney General? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you see Montrose? Mr. Stewart. Yes. The Chairman. Did you see Mr. Creighton? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. J. T. Creighton — what is his position? Mr. Stewart. I do not know just what his position is. I am not familiar with his position. The Chairman. Do you know whether he was there at the expense of the Government? Mr. Stewart. I do not know that, I know he had been away before that time. The Chairman. Did he have anything to do with your business? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2515 Mr. Steavakt. No, sir; nothing to do with my business at all, sir. The Chairman. Can you remember any more ? Mr. Stewart. I do not believe that I can recall any from the city, from the district. I saw some of the other gentlemen. The Chairman. How many district attorneys around the United States can you recall? Mr. Stewart. Well, I remember seeing Mr. Wertz there, from Cleveland, Ohio. The Chairman. Is he a district attorney? Mr. Stewart. Yes. The Chairman. Is he a delegate ? Mr. Steavart. I think so. The Chairman. What is his first name? Mr. Stewart. Edward. Senator Pomerene. Edward S. The Chairman. What others? Mr. Stewart. I saw Mr. Clyne, of whom you spoke. I saw Mr. Murphy. I think he is an assistant in Detroit. The Chairman. What is his first name ? Mr. Stew^art. I do not know — John, I believe. The Chairman. What others? Mr. Stewart. I do not recall any others. The Chairman. You do not mean to say that is all the district attorneys there ? Mr. Stewart. It is very difficult to recall them. I had not thought of this matter. I did not expect the breadth of cross-examination. I came up here about my statement, and it is difficult for me offhand to recall the number from the great number I saw tliere — the people you ask for. The Chairman. I appreciate that. Can you give us any idea as to the number of United States marshals who were out there? Do you know any of them ? Mr. Stewart. No. I believe I met McCarthy, from New York. The Chairman. Is he the marshal of the southern district ? Mr. Stew^\rt. Yes, sir. I do not know the marshals very well. The Chairman. Do you know whether or not all these different people paid their own expenses out there? Mr. Steavart. I think the delegates all paid their own expenses. The Chairman. Were there any special trains, that you know of, of delegates out there, paid for by anybody ? Mr. Stewart. Absolutely not. The Chairman. That is, that there were not, or you do not know ? Mr. Steavart. I do not knoAV. Senator Reed. You mean, you do not knoAv of anything of that kind? Mr. Steavart. I do not. The Chairman. Do you say there absolutely were not ? Mr. Steavart. So far as my knowledge would enable me to make any statement in the premises. The Chairman. You were too busy with these professional matters ? Mr. Stewart. No; I did not say that, Mr. Kenyon. I said that after the 25th day of elune I stayed in San Francisco for the next 11 days, at my oAvn expense, and took an annual leave, and ! was not 2516 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. acting in connection with any governmental matter, but I was paying my own expenses. The Chairman. At San Francisco, for 11 days? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How many days were you in San Francisco al- together ? Mr. Stewart. I arrived there the 23d. I was three days in con- ference, or the greater part of three days' conference, with Mr. Schlessinger. The Chairman. Let us get this. The three days you were in con- ference you do charge to the Government ? Mr. Stewart. I do ; yes, sir. The Chairman. There is one thing that is not clear about some- thing in lieu of subsistence. There was some testimony of an allow- ance of $5 a day; then on the vouchers appears something in lieu of subsistence. Will you clear that up for us ? Mr. Stew^art. If you spend $5 a day and keep receipts for the ex- penditures, showing that you have made actual expenditures of $5 per day, you may turn in those receipts and receive $5 ; but where you fail to keep receipts you live on $4 a day and pay your hotel bills and meals out of that. It means Childs' restaurants as soon as you get to a city. The Chairman. You could hardly go through a Childs' Restau- rant at that, now. Mr. Stewart. That is what they get — $4 a day. The Chairman. For three days you were in consultation, for which you charge ; and the balance you do not charge to the Govern- ment. Is that correct ? Mr. Stewart. I charged the Government for the 6th and 7th of July, you will see in my account there. Senator Reed. You were in conference those days? Mr. Stewart. I was; and if there is any desire to verify any of these statements I will give you Mr. Schlessinger's address. The Chairman. Final conference with special assistant Schlessin- ger — he was the special assistant in these Washington cases? Mr. Stewart. He was put in because of the desire to eliminate — — The Chairman. Those days you make a charge against the Gov- ernment ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And the other days you do not ? Mr. Stewart. I do not. The Chairman. That is clear. Where did you have your confer- ences with Mr. Schlessinger? Mr. Stewart. In his office in the Commercial Bank Building. The Chairman. Did you spend all the time in conference with him? Mr. Stewart. The major portion of the day, in the morning and afternoon. I was in a great deal. I was looking up some matters. The Chairman. Had you ever been out to Seattle or San Francisco before to consult on cases ? Mr. Stewart. No. The Chairman. Had you ever been anywhere to consult on cases or had you stayed here ? Mr. Stewart. Oh, yes ; I had been around at Chicago. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2517 The Chairman. Where else? Mr. Stewart. I have been over to see Mr. Caft'ey, to New York, several times. The Chairman. Had Mr. Neal ever been out in that western coun- try before looking up these cases ? Mr. Stewart. No. Mr. Neal had a very valuable knowledge of these cases. He had lived with them. The Chairman. Had he been out there before? Mr. Steavart. He had not. Senator Keed. Why did he go this time? Mr. Steavart. He Avent wi-th me, at my request. Senator Reed. Had he been there before? Mr. Steaa^art. He had not. He has ample correspondence that he would be very glad to submit to the committee showing the desires for his presence and my presence there, any time you desire it here. The Chairman. What Avas this Walsh committee that you speak of? Mr. Steavart. They investigated the shipping situation in the northern Pacific district, in the first instance, I believe. Then, after that, they were unable to get the books of the companies, and the district attorney did not turn over the information he had to them, for the reason that there Avas some little friction out there. The re- port was unsatisfactory, and then our people got busy, at the request, I think, of the Shipping Board. I do not know who handled it. The Chairman. The department did not want them to stir the thing up. You had evidence enough, but you did not want this com- mittee to stir it up? Mr. Stewart. No. The Chairman. I remember there was some friction. Mr. Steavart. That Avas not it. It was the idea of giving them immunity if they testified, and there seemed to be some doubt as to what the immunity status would be. I had to look that up care- fully. The Chairman. Were there any indictments out there? Mr. Steavart. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Was that before you went out or after? Mr. Stewart. They were dismissed recently, following the ac- quittal. It was necessary to acquit them, because they were subject to trial, and they did not want to bring them to trial. It was just nolle prossed. The Chairman. Before the trial had any of the indictments been dismissed ? Mr. Stewart. No, sir. The Chairman. Who were the ones afterwards who were dis- missed ? Mr. Stewart. Blaine, Magee, the Seaborn Co., and Ostrander. The Chairman. Who was Blaine? Mr. Stewart. He was the district manager. The Chairman. Who was Ostrander ? Mr. Stewart. He was connected with the Seaborn people. The Chairman. Have any convictions been secured out of these cases ? Mr. Stewart. None. 2518 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES, The Chairman. Mr. Blaine was a very prominent Democrat, I suppose ? Mr. Stewart. A very active Republican. The Chairman. Was Ostrander an active Republican? Mr. Stewart. I do not know. The Chairman. Were the indictments all against Republicans? Mr. Stewart. I do not know what their politics was. I happen to know Blaine because of a reference in a letter. The Chairman. These gentlemen whom you speak of as being out there from the Department of Justice were around the Palmer head- quarters most of the time working for Palmer for President ? Mr. Stewart. Not most of the time ; some of the time I saw them there. The Chairman. You were all engaged in the Palmer campaign, which would be natural ? Mr. Stewart. I do not know about that. I know that anything I could do or say for Mr. Palmer I was only too glad and proud to do it. The Chairman. They were doing the same, were they not? Mr. Stewart. I do not know. I assume they were. I do not know. Senator Pomerene. I want to ask you two or three questions, if I may. You have been asked by the chairman of the committee to name certain people connected with the Department of Justice who were out there, and among other names you mentioned Edward S. Wertz. Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. He was the United States attorney for the northern district of Ohio, was he not ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And a member of the Ohio delegation? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And he went out there as a delegate for Gov. Cox? Mr. Stewart. I understood so. Senator Pomerene. Were any of these other men interested in the nomination of Gov. Cox? Mr. Stewart. I do not think so. Senator Pomerene. That being so, can you explain what relevancy this investigation has to the candidacy of Gov. Cox ? Mr. Stewart. The present investigation? Senator Pomerene. Yes. Mr. Stewart. I am unable to. The Chairman. You do not think. Senator, we are limited to that? Senator Pomerene. No; I do not at all; but I claim tlie right to point out the fact. It may be that you are entirely within the scope of the resolution if j^ou wish to go into these matters — and I have not any doubt they ought to be gone into, whether by this committee or by some other committee, in view of the charges that have been made. Some reference was made to a special train, and you stated that you knew nothing about any special train. Did you know that there PKESIDEN^TIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2519 was a special train or two special trains went out from Ohio in the interest of Gov. Cox? Mr. Steavart. I did not know it. I saw quite a parade. Senator Pomeeene. I am not on the stand, but Mr. Wertz was on one of those special trains, and I think it may be taken for granted that he paid his own expenses. I think that much is due to Mr. Wertz. Mr. Stewart. In enumerating those persons whom I saw there connected with the Department of Justice, in response to the chair- man's inquiry, I meant to convey no implication * Senator Pomerene. I understood that; but it was because of the state of the record that I wanted that to be maftj perfectly clear. I think that is all I care to inquire. Senator Reed. You have mentioned one of the men who was there from Ohio as a delegate for Gov. Cox who happens to be one of the district attorneys. Were any of these other men that you have spoken of, except Mr. Clyne, who went on a proxy in the Illinois delegation, delegates to the convention? Mr. Stewwrt. Call the names, and then I can tell you, Senator. Senator Reed. I will call the names as we have them here : Mr. Foster? Mr. Stewart. No. Senator Reed. Mr. Neal? Mr. Stew^art. No. Senator Reed. Mr. Kelly? Mr. Stewart. No. Senator Reed. Mr. Laskey was a delegate ? Mr. Stewart. He was a delegate. Senator Reed. From the District of Columbia ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. He is the district attorney here ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. But he was a regularly chosen delegate ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Judge Nebeker, who is Assistant Attorney General, was not a delegate? Mr. Stewart. "He was not a delegate. Senator Reed. Mr. Montrose was not a delegate ? Mr. Stewart. He was a stenographer. Senator Reed. He is the individual stenographer for the Attorney General ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir ; the confidential stenographer. Senator Reed. He travels with the Attorney General all the time ? Mr. Stewart. He does. Senator Reed. All the time, every place he goes ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir; and at that particular time he was keep- ing up for the Attorney General, through the medium of his work, the department work that was being forwarded to the Attorney General. Senator Reed. Was there at that time a number of matters of im- portance, great importance, that the Attorney General had to keep in touch with ? 182774— 20— PT 19 2 2520 PRESIDENTIAL CHAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Stewart. There certainly were. Senator Heed. And this man was his clerk? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Who kept track of things for him and helped him in carrying on his official work ? Mr. Stewart. That was his duty. Senator liEiiD. Such as would be necessary Avhile at the convention ; I mean such as woulct be necessary, although he was at the conven- tion. It was official work ? Mr. Stewart. Wherever he was, it would be necessary. Senator Eeed. Mr. Creigliton ? Mr. Stewart. He was no delegate. Senator Keed. I believe Senator Pomerene asked you about Mr. Wertz, and we passed over Mr. Clyne. There is a Mr. McCarthy ? Mr. Stewart. He was the New York marshal. I do not know whether he was a delegate or not. Senator Reed. And Mr. Murphy ? Mr. Stewart. I do not think he was a delegate. Senator Reed. There is also a Mr. Spellisy. Mr. Stewart. He was a delegate. Senator Reed. From where? Mr, Stewart. Connecticut. Senator Reed. As far as you know, he paid his own expenses? Mr. Stewart. He did. Senator Reed. There is nothing unusual about the fact that a man who has been prominent enough to be put into the position of United States district attorney or United States marshal still retains his political affiliations and attends a convention as a delegate? There is nothing unusual about that in the history of our country ? Mr. Stewart. Nothing. Senator Reed. A man does not lose his citizenship because he hap- pens to be made district attorney in this country. Would you have made this trip to Chicago, Seattle, and San Fran- cisco if there had been no Democratic convention ? Mr. Stewart. I certainly would. As a matter of fact, when I went to Chicago the Republican convention was in session, and when I decided to stay I had to wait for the Democratic contention ; but that was on my own expense, and I felt justified in so doing. Wlien I got back to Chicago the Committee of Forty-eight had a national convention. So it was not a matter of the convention, so far as my going was concerned. Senator Reed. But being out there you thought that you had the right as an American citizen to lay off on your own time and go down and see the show ? Mr. Stewart. I did, and saw it. Senator Reed. And you also wanted to help Mr. Palmer, your chief, if you could ? Mr. Stewart. If I could. I do not think I was able to do much for him, but I was willing to do my part. Senator Reed. You have been a practicing lawyer how long! Mr. Stewart. Nineteen years. Senator Reed. You are a Democrat in politics ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2521 Senator Eeed. Were any of those special agents Republicans whose names were called ? Mr. Stewart. I do not know. I know Neal is a Democrat, but I do not think he has a vote. Senator Reed. He is from the District of Columbia ? Mr. Stewart. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. That is all. (Witness excused.) Mr. Xebeker. Mr. Chairman, will the committee hear from me ? The Chairman. I think the committee will be glad to. TESTIMONY OF MR. FRANK K. NEBEKER, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL IN CHARGE OF PUBLIC LANDS, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, WASHINGTON, D. C. The witness Avas duly sworn by the chairman. The Chairman. State your full name and the position 3^011 occupy. Mr. Nebeker. My name is Frank K. Nebeker, and I am Assistant Attorney General in charge of public lands in the Department of. Justice. I am here, Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, because of information that I received at some account of mine or a trip to San Francisco about the time that the Democratic convention was held was intro- duced in evidence before the committee yesterday, and I take it that the inference might be that the charge of $103.15, 1 think it was which my account shows, was improperly presented by me and improperly allowed ; and I thought it fair to the committee and to myself to make an explanation. I want to be as brief as I can. In the first place, let me say that the Public Lands Division at the Department of Justice has the supervision — at least I do that officially as Assistant Attorney Gen- eral of the division — of all of the oil litigation in the State of Cali- fornia — oil-land litigation; we call it "oil litigation.-' There are pending there from 28 to 35 cases, involving that many sections of land, upon which there are producing oil wells. There is in the hands of receivers in the State of California in suits that have been brought under my supervision and largely under my direction over $22 ,()()() ,()()() in cash. In addition to that there is a suit brought by the Government in condemnation to condemn an island at Coronado Beacli, owned by the Spreckels interests, or claimed by them, in which a special assist- ant has been busy for over a year, but which resulted in an extremely excessive verdict, as I felt, and that verdict was rendered by the jury just a short time — probably a week or two; I would not say now ex- actly as to the date — before I went to San Francisco. But these various matters pending in California had been pressing U|)on me, and had been giving me a great deal of concern for some time, and I did put them oft — and I will be candid in that — not until I felt it to the disadvantage of the Government, but I did delay my trip so that I could time it to be at the Democratic convention. Now, I started out from here on the 8th "day of June. I can not give you the dates, as Mr. Stewart has done in his testimony, because I gave my data, what I had, to my secretary when I got back, and to Mr. Harris, the head of the accounts division, in whicli I have the 2522 PRESIDENTIAL CAR'IPATGN EXPENSES. dates, and I have dismissed it from my mind, and I could not give the exact dates, as Mr. Stewart has done. Senator Pomekene. You can <:et them if necessary, can you? Mr. Nebeker. I can get them, I left here on the 8th — I remember that. I traveled from here to Chicago with the sj^ecial assistant to the Attorney General, who was on his way to Oklahoma and who lias charge — and who was ap- pointed by me, practically, or by the Attorney General at m.y sug- gestion — to tal^e charge of the boundary-line suit between the State of Oklahoma and the State of Texas, in which the Government is vitally interested, and which, perhaps, is the biggest civil suit, the largest am_ount of money and property involved, that has ever been brought in any court in the country. I traveled with him and Avas in constant consultation with him from here to Chicago. I went a day before I intended to g) so as to be with him and go over the matter of getting the case in shape for presentation at an early date in October or November to the Supreme Court, it being an original case in the Supreme C ourt on some preliminary question. • I had been asked to have a consultation with Mr. Fleming, whose name has been mentioned here. I prosecuted the Haywood case. I was then special assistant to the Attorney General. I personally con- ducted the trial of that case, resulting in the conviction of Haywood and 100 of the leaders of the I. W, W. They were in some trouble as they approached the argument of the case on appeal. Mr. Stewart Senator Pomerene (interposing). Who was "in some trouble"? Mr. Nebeker. The attorneys for the Government were more or less perplexed about the situation as it came up. The case had been briefed, but one of the attorneys who had spent most of his time in briefing the case was suddenly taken ill and unable to go on, and Mr. Stewart asked me to go and see Mr. Fleming and give him the benefit of my advice on some questions which I would know about, because of my long familiarity with that trial. The trial took four and one-half solid months of time to try, and the record, I suppose, about the largest in size that has ever been made in court, went into the millions of words. Well, all the time I was in Chicago I was in conference and contin- uous session with Mr. Fleming. I then left Chicago and I went to Salt Lake City. There I spent four or five days, or perhaps more. Senator Reed. On Government business? Mr. Nebeker. On Government business; and I will explain what it was. There were tw^o definite matters: One was a consultation with the special assistant whose headquarters is in Denver, who has charge of all the oil-land litigation in the State of Wyoming, and also the White Earth Indian litigation in the State of Minnesota. He came to Salt Lake City Senator Pomerene. What is his name? Mr. Nebeker. Mr. Bell — and his initials I do not remember — Mr. Bell, however. He came there, and I went over both matters with him very deliberately, and they were matters I needed, I assure you, to give my attention to and to consult about across the table. Many of these things can not be done well by correspondence. W"e can not get the atmosphere of our litigation and our troubles by PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2523 correspondence and reports, and it is an extremely good thing for the Assistant Attorneys General to go out more among the special assist- ants and assmne a more direct responsibility for litigation. In addition to that, in Salt Lake City I selected a special assistant attorney, under a demand for one to be sent into Montana to take care of some very important work. That took me considerable time. In the first place, it was a line of litigation that attorneys did not care A^ery much about and at the same time which required an at- torne}^ with a good deal of ability to do this particular work. Well, I spent the rest of my time while I was in Salt Lake City on that ; that is, on those two matters I was engaged all the time. I then went on to San Francisco, and during the entire time that I was there I doubt if there was a day when I was not engaged in some' public business. I have one special assistant there who has an office and who is in charge of all of this oil-land litigation. Senator Pomerene. Will you give his name, please ? Mr. Nebeker. His name is Henry F. May. This oil-land litigation, on account of the passing of the leasing bill, was presenting some questions to the department that were very perplexing to me, and one of my purposes in going there was to get my bearings and get a proper understanding, so that I could handle the problems that were coming up under the leasing bill in regard to applications for lease, it being necessary under the act to present applications before the 25th of August of this year. There was also there a special assistant under my direction and supervision, Mr. Williams, who has charge of suits brought by the Government under the revestiture act, as we call it, of 1916, to repossess, get back into the Government, the title to something like 2,000,000 acres of land that were granted by the Government to the California & Oregon Kailroad Co. Mr. Williams had been ill for some time, quite seriously ill, and one of the things that I felt was encumbent upon me was to go there and see just how the situation was in respect to the condition of that litigation ; and I gave that my attention. There are two other special assistants there in San Francisco, Mr. Lacy and Mr. Hammil, w^ho are in charge of extremely important matters for the department, and I was in consultation with them. Then Mr. Dineen, who has charge of the Coronado Beach condem- nation case, that I have referred to, came over from Los Angeles^ and he and I consulted together off and on over the question of mak- ing up the proper kind of record for appeal to the Supreme . Court of the United States, it being a case that could be appealed directly under the statute under which the suit was brought. As I say, I think — and I say it most sincerely — that the burden that was upon me there and the interest that was upon me was these very important matters. Now, incidentally, I attended the convention a few days. I talked favorably for Mr. Palmer. I was interested in his campaign; I would have been glad to have done a good deal more than I was able to do. But the trip was necessary. It was simply fortunate, as I viewed it, that I could so time it as to perform that other great service for my country, namely, the attending of the Democratic convention. 2524 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. So that, Mr, Nebeker, you had matters to attend to in the West, and you arranged those matters so you could at the same time attend the Democratic convention; that is about the substance of it? Mr. Nebeker. That is it ; that is what I wish to be understood to say. The ChairMx^n. Had you been West before on any of these matters ? Mr. Nebeker. Yes; I was as far as Denver on this oil-land litiga- tion. The Chairman. You had not been to San Francisco ? Mr. Nereker. No; and I should have gone on. And there are several others; for example, the Lake Tahoe matter, which I con- sidered while I was in San Francisco. The Chairman. How long have you been Assistant Attorney Gen- eral? Mr. Nebeker. Since a year ago June. The Chairman. Is this the first time you have gone to San Fran- cisco for consultation? Mr. Nebeker. Yes. Senator Edge. I did not hear the first of your testimony. Have you been asked the question as to the number of Assistant Attorneys General or special assistants or other attaches of the department in Washington who were in San Francisco at the same time? Mr. Nebeker. No ; I have not been asked that. Senator Edge. Do you know at all? Could you give us general information? Mr. Nebeker. I could not give you anything in addition to what Assistant Attorney General Stewart has given you, and I do not have all the information that he had. Senator Edge. You could not enlarge on that? Mr. Nebeker. Yes; I can. I know that Judge Ames was there— the special assistant to the Attorney General. I think he was not mentioned. I think he was a delegate from Oklahoma, and voted for Senator Ow^en all the time. Senator Edge. Could you enlighten the committee at all, from your own knowledge, as to reasons, without our sending for all these other men, being there at this particular time? You have given your reasons very clearly. Mr. Nebf^ker. I am very sorry that I have absolutely no informa- tion about that. My division is rather occupied a little differently in the Department of Justice than any other and I know less about routine matters outside of my particular division than any other Assistant Attorney General, I suppose. The Chairman.*^ How many special assistants have you? Mr. Nebeker. How many in my division ? The Chairman. In your division. Mr. Nebeker. Well, now. Senator, I think it would be only a guess, but I think about 12 to 15. The Chairman. Has the number been increased at all in the last five or six months ? Mr. Nebeker. Mine have not. The Chairman. Can you give us any idea of the number of special assistants in the whole department? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2525 Mr. Nebeker. No. The Chairman. Who could do that ? Mr. Nebeker. Why, the chief clerk, Mr. C. E. Stewart, undoubt- edly could, if you would give him an opportunity to look it up. They have the roll there. Senator Pomerene. Have you any more assistants in your depart- ment than the duties of the office require ? Mr. Nebeker. I am sure there are no more in my division. Now, 1 speak only for that. I am willing to have my division investigated so far as that feature is concerned, because I know I have got efficient men, and I have got no one but what is charged with heavy responsi- bility and is earning every dollar and more than he is getting. Senator Pomerene. And quite a number of those assistants have been in your department for many, many years? Mr. Nebeker. Oh, yes; a good many of them. I made no changes in my division when I came along. I think I have as many Repub- licans in my division as there are Democrats. I do not think there is any doubt about that. I have paid less attention, perhaps, than I ought to have to that matter, being in charge. The Chairman. You have had pretty responsible duties, judge; I know that. Senator Edge. We understood from the Auditor of the Department of Justice yesterday that the assistant O. K.ing accounts is entirely confined to what he termed, I think, " members of the administrative force." Is that your understanding as to the O. K.ing and approving of these vouchers ? Mr. Nebeker. Oh, I understand so; that is called the accounting division. Senator Edge. And if you make a trip such as you have described, you pass your voucher over to another assistant attorney general for approval, or what is the system ? Mr. Nebeker. Well, I think that is very often done; yes. These men who handle the routine know there has got to be at least an Assistant Attorney General's approval of an account. Now, some- times they bring them to me, even if they arrive in Stewart's divi- sion ; they take mine to Stewart. Senator Edge. It is rather a perfunctory responsibility ? Mr. Nebeker. Yes ; it is. Senator Edge. For instance, who approved your voucher? Mr. Nebeker. I do not know ; it will show for itself. Senator Edge. You need not look it up. We want just to get the general system before us. Senator Reed. There is some assumption that an Assistant At- torney General who turns in an account is going to turn in an honest account, and they probably are not inspected as closely as they would be if they were made by a lot of petty larceny thieves? Mr. Nebeker. I should suppose that is so. Is there anything further? The Chairman. There is nothing further, Judge. Mr. Nebeker. I thank you. 2526 PRESIDENTTAI> CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. TESTIMONY OF ME. JOSEPH L. HEFFERNAN, SECRETAEY-TREAS- UEER STARS AND STRIPES PUBLISHING CO., BOND BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D. C. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) The Chairman. What is your name? Mr. Heffernan. My name is Joseph L. Heifernan. Senator Reed. What is your business? Mr. Heffernan. I am secretary-treasurer of the Stars and Stripes Publishing Co. Senator Reed. Is that a corporation? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Where is it located? Mr. Heffernan. The main office, Washington, D. C. Senator Reed. What does it do? Mr. Heffernan. Publishes a weekly newspaper. Senator Reed. What is it called? Mr. PIeffernan. The Stars and Stripes. Senator Reed. What is the object of this newspaper? Mr. Heffernan. To purvey the news of special interest to mem- bers of the former Army serving in the A. E. F., and, in a less direct way, to the general public. Senator Reed. How long has that paper been printed? Mr. Heffernan. Since June 15, 1919, in Washington. Senator Reed. You say " in Washington " ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Was it printed at some other place before that ? Mr. Heffernan. Prior to that date it was the official organ of the A. E. F. in France. Senator Reed. Are you an overseas man ? Mr. Heffernan. Y'es, sir. Senator Reed. You print this paper and you send out new^s of interest to the former soldiers ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. A sort of an official organ of former soldiers, is it? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir. We declare that it is an independent organ representing the phase of soldier opinion. It is our standard ; it is an independent organ for all veterans. Senator Reed. Has there been any effort made ever to take the control or get the control out of your hands ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. We have met constant opposition since the time we started in Washington. Senator Reed. Who from? Mr. Heffernan. From various persons, but all seeming to center around one particular activity. There w^as an effort, first of all, made to keep us from using the name. After that there has been constant effort to keep us from getting advertising. Senator Reed. Who made the effort about the name ? Y^ou said it all seemed to center around one thing. Now, what is that one thing ? Mr. Heffernan. The effort to keep us from, first, using the name emanated from New York, and Secretary of War Baker was the instrument used. He addressed a communication to Congress asking that the name be not used, but he did it, as far as I can determine, at the instigation of Theodore Roosevelt, jr. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2527 Senator Reed. AVell, is there anything else about that ? Mr. Heffernan. Roosevelt wanted to get this paper himself and use the name as the ofHcial organ of the American Legion, and he did not succeed in taking over the name prior to the time that we started it here in Washington, and since that time we have had con- stant opposition from Roosevelt and from the American Legion; that is, not the Legion as a body, but from the leaders of the Legion. The men of the Legion are its best supporters. We have representa- tives in nearly every post- in the country. The men at the head of the Legion have been constantly attacking and nagging us ever since w^e started. Senator Reed. Has there been any effort made to purchase your paper? That is what I want to get at. Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir ; there has been. Senator Reed. Whom by ? Tell us about it. Mr. Heffernan. There v>^as a man came on from New York, a Mr. Richard H. Waldo, at that time an employee of the Du Pont powder interests, and he' had sessions with us at the New Willard Hotel during the past year and advised us, very smilingly, that we should sell to the interests that he represented. He said if we did not sell that he would be bankrupt within six months. The Chairman. Who was this ? Mr. Heffernan. It was Richard H. Waldo. Senator Reed. Who were the interests he said he represented ? Mr. Heffernan. He did not state specifically, but at the time he was employed by Du Pont. Senator Reed. By the Du Pont Powder Co. or Coleman Du Pont ? There are two branches of the Du Ponts. Mr. Heffernan. I can not distinguish them. I never ascertained that; in fact, I never specifically tried to, except I knew he was employed by the Du Pont interests. I do not know just how they overlap. I had an idea it was the powder interests, because at the time he was at the head of the Foreign Language Newspaper Service, a string of papers purporting to speak for the foreign-language news- papers of the country, but in reality controlled by the Du Pont inter- ests and used by them as a means of propaganda. Senator Reed. Do you knoAV whether that is E. Coleman Du Pont, the man who was in politics, or is it the powder people, who may or may not be in politics, I do not know ? Mr. Heffernan. I can not say that. That would be assumed, be- because he was at the time, as we all knew, employed by the Du Ponts. But I have not any definite information as to which branch of them. Senator Reed. Well, this man undertook to buy you out. Did he make an offer of money — how much money they would give? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir ; his offer was more in this wise : That if we did not sell out we could not get any advertising; that the big interests would not recognize us because were were an independent soldier paper and spoke what we thought. On the other hand, if we did sell out to the men he represented in New York, he would head the paper and would retain the ones at that time actively engaged in the paper in good positions. The Chairman. He would " retain " — that is, this Waldo or the du Ponts? Mr. Heffernan. This Waldo. 2528 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Waldo himself ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. That is, he would retain you and the other people actively engaged on the paper ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. \ ou say that this man was connected with the du Fonts and was concerned in the foreign-language newspaper ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. You understand that they owned the foreign- lan- guage newspapers, or that they owned an advertising agency, or that they controlled an advertising agency ? Mr. Heffernan. They controlled those papers. Senator Reed. So that whatever du Pont it was, it was the one that w^as concerned in the foreign-language newspaper that this man represented ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Now, the matter boiled down to a few words, as I understand you, is this : He made a proposition to buy, and said that if you did sell that you and your force would be retained ; and that if you did not sell that you, in less than six months, would go into bankruptcy, and that you would not be permitted to have adver- tising. Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Did you see this man more than once yourself ? Mr. Heffernan. He made two or three trips here. He came once, and then he said he would have to go back to New York and consult his people, and then he would come down again. Senator Reed. Did you effect a bargain? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir; w^e never did. Senator Reed. Well, why not ? Did you refuse to sell, or what was the reason? Mr. Heffernan. I think the principal reason was that we were incorporated and that he was trying to deal with three of us who were on the paper, and we never figured that the others of the stock- holders and members of the corporation would consent to selling out in that particular Avay, and therefore we never could reach an agree- ment with him. Senator Edge. Did you make him an offer? Did you name a price ? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir. Senator Reed. Did yon have any interference with the conduct of your paper after that in the matter of getting advertisements, or any other way ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir; for some strange reason, although with a bona fide circulation of over 100,000, we can not get advertising. Senator Reed. Is there anything else 3^ou want to tell the com- mittee about tliis? Mr. Heffernan. I do not think of anything. Senator Edge. I would like to ask a question right there on that advertising, without interrupting you. Senator. Mr. Heffernan. Just a minute. AYho is Senator Edge? Senator Edge. I am Senator Edge. Mr. Heffer*nan. If the chairman please, and the members of the committee, I would like to state that I do not think it is fair for PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2529 Senator Edge to sit in on this committee at this time, and to take m}^ testimony, and to have any connection with this testimony of mine, because he is acting in a dual capacity, both as prosecutor and judge. Senator Edge, I have direct information, is in direct touch with the people who are now trying to wreck our paper, and that this Aveek he has been in consultation with men most actively in this scheme, of whatever kind it is, against us ; that he is in direct touch with Scott Bone, the director of publicity for the Republican Party, and Delancey Koons, a man whom we also have information has been willing to buy our paper if he could consolidate it with the American Legion Weekly, and that the Washington correspond- ent of the American Legion Weekly was called to New York Tues- da}" night to try to get what information he could against us, and that Herold Eoss, the editor of the American Legion Weekly, was also called in on this, and that Senator Edge is in this 'scheme, whatever kind it is, I do not know. Senator Edge. Just a moment, please. I do not want to inter- rupt, but let us get this clear. You say that you have information of all this terrible list of charges ? Mr. Hefferxan. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. I insist that you give us that information right here — not riunors, but names and facts and all that would justify any such an even suggested or implied charge. Mr. Heffernan. This information came to us in a confidential way this week. The Chairman. Do you take confidential information and come in here and make charges against a member of the com.mittee ? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir ; I am not making a charge. The Chairman. Give us your information. Mr. Heffernan. I am asking this committee, if I, as a citizen and the citizens of the country represented through me, are to be sub- jected to that ? The Chairman. Is it fair for you to make charges against Senator Edge, and then refuse to give your information? Do you think that a fair proposition? Of course, we are not trying Senator Edge. Mr. Heffernan. He is trying me, and I am trying to give you the facts. Senator Edge. I may say, without interrupting the gentleman, that I am quite ready to be tried, but if it will assist the gentleman in his statement of rumors I personall}^ have never even heard of Delancey Koons, or whatever the name is, as I understood it. Mr. Scott Bone, I know quite well who he is, but so far as I know I do not think I ever met him personally. The other men you speak of, the names mentioned, as I find them on my memorandum, I do not think I even knoAv personally, directly or indirectly in any Avay. So, not that it is necessary for me to make such a statement— far froirf it, but I want to relieve your mind so far as any possible injury or feeling of that kind is concerned. The Chairman. Who asked you to make that statement as to Senator Edge? Mr. Heffernan. Nobody. I talked with nobody about it, Mr. Chairman. Senator Pomerene. This committee is not trying anybody; this com.mittee is appointed by the United States Senate for the purpose 2530 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. of making an investigation and making its report later on to the Senate. Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And I think that you could look at the matter in that light, and even if you have some preconceived prejudices, either for or against any Senator, that ought not to be taken into consideration in presenting your case. Mr. Heffernan. My idea in bringing up this point is this, to bring out my status. I do not know what the province of this committee is. I came in here as a citizen who knows nothing about the powers of this committee, and I am willing to submit myself for examination. But not only this week that report came to me, and if it is true — — Senator Edge (interposing). Eight there — pardon me; go on. Mr. Heffernan. If it is true, I think it is taking advantage of us ; if it is not, I am perfectly willing to go ahead. Senator Edge. The only information I insist upon having is the name of the party who gave you the rumor or information that you consider warranted you in making such a statement. Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. I will get that for you. Senator Edge. I want that given purposely. The Chairman. You will give us the name of the party. Senator Edge. Have you got the name? Mr. Heffernan. I have not. Senator Edge. You do not know the man who gave you the in- formation ? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir. Senator Edge. How did you get the information? Mr. Heffernan. He came to my office in a confidential way. Senator Edge. He came to your office in a confidential way ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Was the man there personally? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir ; a man in my office, one of my associates,, told me about this. Senator Edge. Told you? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Was that the man who had the information or some one else tell him ? Mr. Heffernan. Some one told him, some one concerned in the publication of the American Legion Weekly. Senator Pomerene. Who is your associate who gave you this in- formation ? Mr. Heffernan. Mr. Jones. Senator Edge. Subpoena Mr. Jones. Mr. Heffernan. His name is Richard S. Jones. The Chairman. Where will he be found? Mr. Heffernan. Here in Washington. The Chairman. In your office? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Since this statement has been made, I think Mr, Jones ought to be brought here. Senator Edge. I would like to have the gentleman brought here as quickly as possible. Senator Reed. I know you would. . ' . PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2531 Senator Pomerene. Where is your office and what is the telephone number ? Mr. Heffernan. Bond Building, telephone Main 5358. Senator Edge. Let me ask this question : Then, you personally do not know that name of the man who gave this information to your assistant, who later gave it to you? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir. . Senator Edge. Do you not think that is rather a serious inference, even for a man on the witness stand to make in a hearing of this character? Mr. Heffernan. I said I did not make it as a direct charge. That is my information. Senator Edge. You are not here to give information unless you can give facts. Mr. Heffernan. I was asking, before I went ahead with my testi- mony, to straighten that out. Senator Reed. You are satisfied to go ahead with your testimony now ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Go ahead. The Chairman. You had given all your testimony to Senator Reed before you raised the question at all, had you not? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir; but Senator Edge started asking ques- tions and that is what brought up the matter. The Chairman. I think you will find him a rather agreeable gentleman asking questions. Senator Edge. I do not think, under the circumstances, that I care to ask any questions. The Chairman. Is the Stars and Stripes a corporation? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Incorporated under what law? Mr. Heffernan. The State of Maryland. The Chairman. When was that corporation organized ? Mr. Heffernan. October 18, 1919. The Chairman. 1919? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Was it not published during the war across the seas ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. In France? Mr. Heffernan, Yes, sir. The Chairman. And it was then published by the soldiers not as a corporation, was it? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. AVho were the active leaders in that movement before the organization of the corporation ? Mr. Heffernan. Here in Washington ? The Chairman. No ; across the seas. Mr. Heffernan. It was composed of the soldiers, members of the Army. The Chairman. Who are some of them ? Mr. Heffernan. Well, there was a Lieut. Milton Ayers, of New^ York, and this Capt. Waldo, to whom I have referred. 2532 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Did Col. Koosevelt have anything to do with it over there ? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir. The Chairman. The soldiers in general carried on this paper* It was their paper ? Mr. Heffernan. \es, sir; everybody associated with it was a soldier. Senator Pomerene. You say Capt. Waldo. Was that the Richard H. Waldo that you mentioned a while ago? Mr. Heffernan. ine same one; yes, sir. The Chairman. Now, when the war closed then, this corporation took over the publication of this paper ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Who were the original incorporators? Mr. Heffernan. W. Thomas Kemp, as I recall, of Baltimore; John W. Tucker, P. E. Kemp, K. M. Parks, and myself. The Chairman. Were these men soldiers ? Had they been soldiers? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir. 'Ihe Chairman. You were the only soldier? Mr. Heffernan. I was the only soldier. The Chairman. How did the corporation get possession of the paper and its name and its assets ? Mr. Heffernan. 1 might illustrate, to take a civil example. If the Washington Times, for instance, announced that it was about to discontinue on the 13th of November, to discontinue publishing its paper, and would not use the name any longer, and had no reason to desire to use the name; and then some one immediately saw an opportunity to put that name into use and take advantage of the prestige of that name, it would be a similar proposition to what we did with the Stars and Stripes. The Chairman. In other words, the Stars and Stripes went out of business ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you thought it was a good name ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. So you organized this company and adopted the name of the Stars and Stripes? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. You took over nothing from the boys who were in the war and carrying on the Stars and Stripes? Mr. Heffernan. Nothing except the name of the paper. The Chairman. You did not take that over; you appropriated that? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. There has been some controversy in the legion about the name, I take it, from what you say ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did the American Legion have a paper of its own ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir ; they have the American Legion Weekly. The Chairman. And they object to this paper and are fighting it? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. The American Legion Weekly is carried on en- tirely by the boys who have been across the sea, is it not? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2533 Mr. Heffernan. The American Legion? The ChairMxVn. Yes. Mr. Heffernan. Yes-, sir. Senator Edge. Is that the paper I am proposed to be practically aaeociated with? Mr. Heffernan. The weekly; yes. Senator Edge. It is a great honor ; I am sorry I can not qualify. The Chairman. Do you know what funds have been raised for the American Legion AVeekly? Mr. Heffernan. It failed at one time for $300,000, and then wa» rehabilitated, and no one connected with the Weekly has ever volun- teered to tell where that money came from. The Chairman. What was your incorporated stock? Mr. Heffernan. That was '$200,000. The Chairman. Was it all paid in? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir. The Chairman. How much of it? Mr. Heffernan. $101,000. The Chairman. Who were the people who took the heavy stock ? Mr. Heffernan. The way the stock stands — I do not know just what is meant in law by paid-in stock and treasury stock and that kind of thing; so, if I may, I will explain just how the stock stands. We boys who went with the paper on this side — there are 10 of us, I think, that now hold stock in the paper — of the boys who were formerly over on the other side with the paper The Chairman. Men who were connected with the paper aoross the sea? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir; 10 of us are stockholders, and others who have since come to w^ork will be taken in. That was our scheme, to establish a sort of cooperative paper, with the boys on the other side on this sharing in the stock. The Chairman. Are any of those boys members of the legion? Mr, Heffernan. I think all of them are ; yes, sir. The Chairman. Are you a member of the legion? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. In order to finance the paper — we had not very much money. I had just a few thousand dollars, and I sank the whole thing in the prelimina^ries. While we were doing that, trying to find a way to finance it, I got in touch with E. M. I^arks The Chairman. Who is E. M. Parks? Mr. Heffernan. That is Mrs. E. M. Parks. The Chairman. Who is Mrs. E. M. Parks? Mi*. Heffernan. She is an employee of the Democratic committee. The Chairman. Is she in their office here in Washington ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes; I think she still is. The Chairman. Is that Mr. Jamieson's office? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Is she not Mr. Jamieson's secretary, or was she not? Mr. Heffernan. I do not know whether that was her title or not, but she was with him. The Chairman. Give us who Mrs. Parks is. Mr. Heffernan. Mrs. Parks, whether or not her title is secretary, is acting in a secretarial capacity for Mr. Jamieson. The Chairman. How long has she been doing it ? 2534 PRESIDENTIAL Ci^MPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Heffernan. I do not know. I never knew her at all until I got working on the establishment of the paper. The Chairman. Tell us about that. Mr. Heffernan. At the outset^ when this opposition developed to the name, I calculated that I should need some influence of some kind in order to help me protect the name. This opposition was coming from New York, and I knew of it, and had seen correspondence, and so on, in regard to it, and also learned that Secretary Baker might be opposed to it. And I think he was, for a sentimental reason. He thought the paper should continue when the war dis- continued. My reason was that of the Secretary of War, being a Democrat, was opposed to the establishment of this paper, I might be able to get some influence that would help me get the name. I figured that there was no law on the statute books — I talked with various lawyers about it — that would prevent my using this name, or, rather, prevent the corporation which was to be formed. The Secretary, for this sentimental reason, declared against it. I figured that, there would be a move started in Congress, or in the Senate, to pass a bill to forbid the u9e of this name, and that that was the only way it could be done. Therefore I decided that I should have to get some influence that would prevent the passage of that bill. In order to carry out that plan, as I knew nobody in politics in Washington, I went to the Democratic headquarters. The Chairman. You thought they could influence Congress? Mr. Heffernan. At that time I did. [Laughter.] The Chairman. You did not go to the President ? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir. Mrs. Parks was the only one in the office when I went there. I told her that I had this intention of starting a veterans' paper and explained that the Secretary of War appeared to be opposing it, and that there was direct opposition from New York, and asked her if she could help me in any way. She thought it over and asked me if I would take her in in a business way — if I had any objection to having anyone but soldiers associated with the paper. I said that I would have to get outside help of some kind, Ijecause I had no outside finances, and it would take as high as $200,000 to establish a paper such as I had in mind. The Chairman. You could not well object to a lady being asso- ciated with you? Mr. Heffernan. Not such a lady. So we talked the thing over several difi^erent times, and finally she agreed to finance the paper in exchange for a certain block of stock. The Chairman. How much did she put into it ? Mr. Heffernan. I think up to date she has put in $48,000. The Chairman. Do you know whether that is her own money or money from the Democratic committee ? Mr. Heffernan. No ; I have no reason to know. I put the propo- sition up to her that she would finance the paper in exchange for this stock. The Chairman. How much stock did she take ? Mr. Heffernan. We divided 101,000 shares between us. Senator Pomerene. Whom do you mean? Mr. Heffernan. Between Mrs. Parks and the boys whom I rep- resent— $148,000 worth. The Chairman. She took $48,000 worth? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2535 Mr. Heffernan. No ; she put in $48,000, Senator, in actual money. The Chairman. How much stock did she take ? Mr. Heffernan. $51,000. I took $49,000. The Chairman. So she has a controlling interest in the stock that is issued ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir ; in what is issued, and then there is a balance of $99,000. Senator Pomerene. That makes just an even $100,000, and your statement was that it was $101,000. Mr. Heffernan. No; she has $51,000; then I must have $50,000. That is it, because there is $101,000 out and $99,000 kept that we were to distribute or sell. Senator Edge. Then the secretary to the director of finance of the Democratic national committee controls the stock ownership of the Stars and Stripes? Is that correct? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senaor Keed. And Mr. Du Pont, connected with the Republican national committee, has been over to see you, through his agent, threatening you and proposing to buy you out? [Laughter.] Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. The Stars and Stripes is sold throughout the country at the news stands? Mr. Heffernan. News stands and direct subscriptions ; yes, sir. The Chairman. They have been rather active, have they not, for the Democratic ticket ? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir. The Chairman. Take this issue ; I think it is the last one. Here is the one of Saturday, September 18 [reading] : American homes for American fighters. Democratic promises. Who secured the insertion of that in the paper ? Mr. Heffernan. That is advertising; it came through our adver- tising department. The Chairman. Where is it marked advertising? It is political advertising, is it not ? Mr. Heffernan. That must be an oversight, because it is purely advertising. The Chairman. Anybody reading that would not understand that the Democratic national committee partly controlled it ? Mr. Heffernan. Any newspaper man, from the makeup of that, would know it was advertising. The Chairman. Have you other issues of the Stars and Stripes ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. I have one here with a column and a half interview with Senator Harding. The Chairman. Let us see that one. Before you get to that, this article I have called your attention to in the issue of September 18 covers half a page, does it not ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And is an argument for the election of Cox and Eoosevelt ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. It speaks of the Democratic promises of deeds and homes, and statements of Cox and Roosevelt? 182774— 20— PT 19 3 2536 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And is, of course, Democratic advertising? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. It is not marked advertising? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir; but that is — I would make that clear, that that is an oversight in the making up of the paper. The Chairman. Yes; but people reading this would not under- stand about the oversight, would they? Mr. Heffernan. I would have to maintain, too, that it was un- intentional. The Chairman. Unintentional? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. So you have a paper, as I understand you, being sold to the soldiers and others, with the name " The Stars and Stripes," purporting to be a soldier paper, and the majority of the stock is controlled by an employee of the Democratic national com- mittee? That is the real situation, is it not? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Does that have anything to do with the opposi- tion of Col. Roosevelt which you spoke of, that it is a partisan paper parading as a nonpartisan soldier paper? Mr. Heffernan. I think not, because every man connected with that paper is a former soldier — every man connected with the pro- ducing and writing of that paper. The Chairman. Every' man connected with the Legion Weekly is a former soldier, too? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Have not the boys of the Legion the right to have a paper not controlled by either the Republican or the Democratic national committee? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir ; but the Legion Weekly is, in my mind, controlled by the Republican committee. Senator Edge. Can you state that as a matter of knowledge, or is it just a random thought? The Chairman. Let me ask you this. Is that published by a cor- poration ? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir — I am not sure ; I can not state definitely. The Chairman. You do not know what the organization is ? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir; it is just an organization of which the leaders have never told us very much. In reply to the question as to whether or not the Republican com- mittee is in touch with the American Legion Weekly, I have a letter here from Mr. Bone's publicity department, in which he says The Chairman. Whom is the letter to ? Mr. Heffernan. It is written to our office. Senator Reed. Who is Mr. Bone ? Mr. Heffernan. Mr. Bone is the director of publicity for the Re- publican national committee [reading] : Mr. Bone tells nie that the American Legion Weekly is very friendly with the Republican national committee. The Chairman. You say this letter is written by Mr. Bone? Mr. Heffernan. Written by a man in Mr. Bone's office. The Chairman. "What is it he says? PRESIDENTIAL, CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2537 Senator Pomerene. Read the whole letter. Mr. Hefferxax (reading) : Melvin Ryder. Stars and Stripes. My Dear Mel : How can I get the complete addresses of the service men's publications which you sent me? Mr. Bone tells me that the American Legion Weekly is very friendly with the Republican national connnittee. He also says that the Stars and Stripes is a proadministration publication. How about it? Mr. Bone says he does not think we can expect very much from service papers. Cordially, yours. The Chairman. That is your information on which you base the statement that the American Legion Weekly is controlled by the Republican national committee ? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir; I go back further than that. The Chairman. All right ; let us go back further than that. Let us have something definite, or as definite as that. Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The American Legion was founded in Paris by a group of Republican officers. In the list are : Lieut. Col. Theodore Roosevelt, jr.; Lieut. Col. Fred Lewellyn; Lieut. Col. D. J. Davies; Maj. Franklin D'Olier; Maj. Goodrich, of the rubber com- pany; Maj. Delancy Kuntz, of whom we have just spoken; Lieut. Col. George White, of Oregon; Lieut. Col. Ralph D. Cole, of Ohio, re- cently candidate for governor on the Republican ticket, and de- feated; Maj. Eric Fisher Wood, a personal friend of Gen. Wood who wrote the life of Gen. Wood and is a Republican from Pennsyl- vania and a close friend of Theodore Roosevelt's; and Lieut. Col. Bennett Clark. The Chairiman. Is he a Republican? Mr. Heffernan. No ; Col. Clark, I understand, is a Democrat, but he is about like a period to a sentence ; he does not mean much there. Senator Reed. Oh, I do not think you are warranted in saying that. He was a gallant soldier Mr. Heffernan. Well, I will retract that. It was just a little per- siflage. The Chairman. That is what has been called "bunk " here a good many times. Senator Reed. He was the parliamentary clerk of the House of Rep- resentatives. He quit that position, trained for a soldier, passed with high honors, and went to France. He is not only a Democrat, but a very active and very influential Democrat in his State, if not in the Nation. The Chairman. And a very active member of the Legion ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And a man of the highest character and standing. Senator Edge. You made a sworn statement under the post-office regulations as to your ownership ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir; some time ago. Senator Edge. Is that the present ownership ? You say " some time ago." Mr. Hefferna*n. The ownership at that time ; yes, sir. Senator Edge. Have you amended it or revised it to show the present ownership? Mr. Heffernan. Those are mide out periodically, Senator, every , six months, i 2538 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Does the statement show the present ownership ? Mr. Heffernan. At the time we were required to make it. The Chairman. I am not asking that. Does the statement show the present ownership ? You can answer that question. Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir ; I think it does. The Chairman. Does it show Mrs. Parks ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. So, if we take that statement as filed, we will get the stockholders and all the present ownership of this paper ? Mr. Heffernan. Well, I would like to make myself clear on that. The Chairman. We would like to have you do so. Mr. Heffernan. It was filed several months ago, and the stock- holders and officers as they existed then must be shown. I think they were the same as they are now, and I think Mrs. Parks would be shown there. The Chairman. Now, let us see the copy that has Senator Hard- ing's intervieAv in it. Have you all of the copies here since the con- vention ? Mr. Heffernan. No, sir. I have an interview with Cox and the interview Avith Harding, and that is about all. The Chairman. Your interview with Senator Harding is in your issue of September 4? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And is given as an intervicAv and not as an ex- pression of your paper at all concerning its policies ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. I went to Marion myself and talked with him. The Chairman. You got the interview yourself ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman, ^ow, let us see the one with the Cox interview in it. (The witness handed a paper to the chairman.) The Chairman. Did you get this also ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Your paper is taking an active part in the fight as to the bonus also ? Mr. Heffernan. -Yes, sir; we advocate the bonus. The Chairman. Are you making fights against men who are supposed to be opposed to the bonus ? Mr. Heffernan. I do not recall that we have made any particular fight on any individual. We probably advocate the election of men who favor the bonus. The Chairman. Yes ; you are advocating the bonus, and ask your subscribers to try and influence Members of Congress in favor of the bonus? Mr. Heffernan. Yes ; I think that would naturally follow. The Chairman. Have you other copies of the paper here? I would like to look them over, please. Senator Pomerene. When was the first issue published ? Mr. Heffernan. June 13, 1919 — on this side. Senator Edge. I understand the postal regulations required your statement on April 1 last ? Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. That is when you made your last statement? PRESIDENTIAI. CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2539 Mr. Heffernan. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Did yoii also publish the sttitement showing the ownership in your paper? Mr. PIeffernan. We got a form from the post office and (illod it out. Senator Edge. But did you, as required by the post-office regula- tions, publish a copy of the statement in your paper? Hr. Heffernan. Oh, yes, sir. Senator Edge. I wish you would send us a copy of the publication containing that statement. Senator Po:merexe. Have you it here? Mr. Heffernax. No, sir. Senator Edge. That will give us the information about the stock. This advertising that has been referred to that has not the paid mark on it — who actually ordered that advertising? Hr. Hefferxan. That was ordered from New York, from the head- quaiters of the Democratic committee. Senator Edge. Has it been paid for in cash to the publication ? Mr. TIefferxax. No, sir; that will be billed for on the rirst of the month at our commercial rates, 60 cents a line. The Chairmax. AVhom will it be billed to? Mr. Hp]FFERXAX. The Democratic national commitee. The CHArRMAX. Will this be rim all during the month? Mr. Hefferxax. No, sir; I think that is for one insertion. The Chairmax. You issue this paper Aveekly? Mr. Hefferxan. Yes, sir. The Chairmax. Have you other cartoons and other orders for the balance of the time up to election ? Mr. Hefferxan. I understand from my advertising men that we have something like five pages to come during the campaign. The Chairmax. Five pages to come ? Mr. Hefferxax. Yes, sir. The Chairmax. Do you make any reduced rates on this on account of the stock ownership vesting of the Democrats ? Mr. Hefferxax. No, sir. We had quite a discussion at first as to whether to charge a higher rate for political advertising, but on the advice of our agents we decided to keep it to the usual commercial rate. The Chairmax. You have no Republican advertising in your paper ? Mr.- Hefferxax. No, sir ; but we have tried to get it. The Chairmax. And are still trying ? Mr. Hefferxax. Still trying. The Chairmax. You would like to publish it ? Mr. Hefferxax. We would like to have five pages from them as we have from the Democrats. The Chairmax. Have they refused to do it ? Mr. Hefferxax. Not specifically. The Chairmax. That is all I care to ask you. I wish to place in the record at this time the matter submitted by Mr. Scripps in reply to our inquiry concerning the names of news- papers. I 2540 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. (The list referred to is here printed in full, as follows :) Statement of the Ownership, Management, Circulation, Etc., Required by THE Act of Congress of August 24, 1912, of the Stars and Stripes, Pub- lished Weekly at Washington, D. C, for April 1, 1920. District of Columbia, ,y,S'; Before me, a notary public in and for the State and county aforesaid, per- sonally appeared Hardie Meakin, who, having been duly sworn according to law, deposes and says that he is the business manager of the Stars and Stripes and that the following is, to the best of his knowledge and belief, a true state- ment of the ownership, management (and, if a daily paper, the circulation), etc., of the aforesaid publication for the date shown in the above caption, re- quired by the act of August 24, 1912, embodied in section 443, Postal Laws and Regulations, printed on the reverse of tliis form, to wit: 1. Tliat the names and addresses of the publisher, editor, managing editor, and business managers are: Publisher, Stars and Stripes Publishing Co., Washington, D. C. Editoi-, Richard Seelye Jones, Washington, D. C. Managing editor, Joseph L. Heffernan, Washington, D. C. Business manager, Hardie Meakin, Washington, D. C. 2. That the owners are (give names and addresses of individual owners, or, if a corporation, give its name and the nanu s and addresses of stockholders owning or holding 1 per cent or nioi-e of the total amount of stock) : Joseph L. Heffernan, \\'ashington, D. C. ; iNIelvin Ryder, Washington, D. C. ; Richard Seelye Jones, Washington, D. C. ; E. M. Parks, Washington, D. C. 3. That the known bondholders, mortgagees, and other security holders own- ing or holding 1 per cent or more of total amount of bonds, mortgages, or other securities are (if there are none, so state) : None. 4. That the two paragraplis next above, giving the names of the owners, stock- holders, and security holders, if any, contain not only the list of stockholders and security holders as they a.ppear up(»n the books of the company, but also, in cases where the stockholder or security holder appears upon the books of the company as trustee or in any other fiduciary relation, the name of the person or corporation for whom such trustee is acting is given; also that the said t\vo paragraphs contain statements embracing affiant's full knowledge and belief as to the circumstances and conditions under which stockholders and security holders who do not appear upon the books of the company as trustees hold stock and securities in a capacity other than that of a bona fide owner ; and this afiiant has no reason to believe that any other person, association, or cor- porati(m has any interest, direct or indirect, in the said stock, bonds, or other securities than as so stated by him. 5. That the average number of copies of each issue of this publication sold or distributed, through the mails or otherwise, to paid subscribers during the six numths preceding the date shown above is (This information is required fi'om daily publications only.) Hardie Meakin. Sworn to and subscribed before me this 23d day of March, 1920. [seal. J Wm. H. Hugniul. My commission expires August 19, 1920. Note. — This statement must be made in duplicate and both copies delivered by the publisher to the postmaster, who shall send one copy to the Third Assistant Postmaster General (Division of Classification), Washington, D. C, and retain the other in the files of the post office. The publisher must publish a copy of this statement in the second issue printed next after its filing. clients requesting presidential campaign matter. Anniston Star, Anniston, Ala. Times and Democrat, Orangeburg, S. C. Times-Tribune, Waterloo, Iowa. Birmingham News, Birmingham, Ala. Daily Press, Newport News, Va. AdAance, Lynchburg, Va. Muskogee Times-Democrat, Muskogee, OkhL Herald Publishing Co., New^ Britain, Conn. Copper Journal, Hancock, Mich. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2541 El Dorado Times, El Dorado, Kans. Independent, St. Petersburg, Fla. Daily Panhandle, Amarilla, Tex. Helena Independent, Helena, Mont. Times-Recorder, Americus, Ga. Idaho Free Press, Nampa, Idaho. Milwaukee Journal, Milwaukee, Wis. Coller, Corpus Christi, Tex. Bee, Danville, Va. Herald, Rockhill, S. C. Salina Daily Union, Salina, Kans. Index-Journal, Greenwood, S. C. Quincy Daily Herald, Quincy, 111. Kansas City Post, Kansas City, Mo. Evening Post, Salisbury, N. C. Daily Piedmont, Greenville, S. C. Montgomery Journal, Montgomery, Ala. Tribune, Lawrence, Mass. Dubuque Times- Journal, Dubuque, Iowa. News-Democrat, Paducah, Ky. Columbia Record, Columbia, S. C. News, Rome, Ga. Evening Post. Worcester, Mass. Concord Patriot, Concord, N. H. Daily Press, Iowa City, Iowa. Brooklyn Citizen, Brooklyn, N. Y. Hagerstown Mail, Hagerstown, ]\Id. Waterbury Democrat, Waterbury, Conn. Press-Guardian, Paterson, N. J. Newark Star-Eagle, Newark, N. J. Times-Union, Rochester, N. Y. Dispatch, Wilmington, N. C. Danville Press, Danville, 111. Evening Star, Poughkeepsie, N. Y. Rockford Star, Rockford 111. Racine Times-Call, Racine, W^is. Evening News, Harrisburg, Pa. World, Martinsburg, Pa. Decatur Review, Decatur, 111. .Tournal-G;^zette, Fort Wayne, Ind. Times-Leader, New Haven, Conn. Aurora Beacon-Journal, Aurora, 111. Providence News, Providence, R. I. Lowell Sun, Lower, Mass. Times, Shreveport, La. Knoxville Sentinel, Knoxville, Tenn. Savannah Press, Savannah, Ga. Evening Republican, Columbus, Ind. Warren Evening Times (Times Pub- lishing Co. ) , W^arren, Pa. Omaha Daily News, Omaha, Nebr. Times and Democrat, Orangeburg, S. C. Evening Sun, Baltimore, Md. Daily News, Santa Barbara, Calif. Palm Beach Post, West Palm Beach, Fla. ^r'alifornian, B;ikersfield, Calif. Sun, Williamsport, Pa. Southwest American, Fort Smith, Ark. Herald, An)any, (hi. Arizona Daily Star, Tucson, Ariz. San Benito Light, San Benito, Tex. Journal, Pensacola, Fla. p]vening Times, Cumberland, Md. Post, Hartford, Conn. Times-Leader, Wilkes-Barre, Pa. TESTIMONY OF MR. RICHARD SEELYE JONES, EDITOR THE STARS AND STRIPES, WASHINGTON, D. C. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. Senator Edge. Will you please state your full name for the record ? Mr. Jones. Richard Seelye Jones. Senator Edge. What is your connection with the Stars and Stripes publication ? Mr. Jones. I am the editor of the paper. Senator Edge. In the absense of the statement for which I asked, perhaps I can proceed, although I do not recall the names offhand that were mentioned. The statement Avas made, as nearly as I can recall it, that some one told you, and you told the previous witness, that Senator Edge was in some way connected with a determination, I think, that your paper should not receive advertising, or something to that effect.' Mr. Jones. Well, Mr. Heffernan possibly overstated the matter, but I can tell you his information, which he got from me. Senator Edge. Well, in the first place, won't you tell us the name of the man who told you this, that gave you sufficient warrant, in your judgment, to repeat it? Mr. Jones. Well, Senator, there was very little information. Of course I had plenty of reason to repeat to Mr. Heffernan, because we are in business together. Back of this there is a long business fight that we have made as ex-service men in establishing the paper. 2542 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. We have had very bitter opposition of a business character ; whether any of it is political or not I do not know. I do not know that we have any reason to believe that it is, but the fact that Mr. Heffer- nan was subpoenaed by this committee immediately prompted the question in my mind why he was subpoenaed, whether the same in- fluences that had opposed us in a business way were responsible for trying to injure our business by bringing it before this committee. I suggested to Mr. Heffernan that if he were called to testify, or having been called, he should try to determine what influence had prompted the committee to bring the affairs of the paper in. We are not a political paper Senator Edge. Of course you heard his statement. It is quite different from what you are now giving us. Mr. Jones. I am going ahead further to where you are personally mentioned. That was entirely my fault, and perhaps was improper in this investigation. I said to Mr. Heffernan, " I think you should inquire of Senator Kenyon and Senator Edge whom they have been in conference with " — I referred to you two gentlemen i3ecause you are Republican members, and I knew that Mrs. Parks's stockholding interest would be immediately in an investigator's mind hooked up with the democratic committee. I said I thought he should inquire if Senator Edge and Senator Kenyon had been in conference with any of the persons whom Mr. Heffernan has mentioned. Now,. Mr. Heffernan stated it more strongly than that The Chairman. I will say I do not know any of the people, but if I wanted to confer with them I would do so, and it would be nobody's business. Mr. Jones. Well, Senator, as I say, we have a very strong feeling, not against the American Legion — I belong to the American Legion — but against people who have tried to use the American Legion, just as they have tried to use our paper, to turn it against the bonus fight, primarily to use it politically or use it any other way. Senator Edge. Well, you have made your statement. Again I must return to the more direct statement. The previous witness stated you told him what he said, or at least warranted his saying it, and that some one else had told you, and he presumed we could get the name of that some one else by calling you. I am asking you who that some one else is. Mr. Jones. Why, I can not say that anyone else told me. I do know, and I was told by some one in our office, that a representative of the American Legion weekly had been hastily summoned to New York by telegraph Monday night. I then learned that Senator Edge himself was still in New York and that other members of the com- mittee were here, and I probably deduced from that that if any mem- ber of this committee were involved in getting any information on this subject it would be yourself. Senator Edge. Because I may have passed through the city of New Y ork on my way to attend this committee meeting, you have deemed it sufficient to infer that I have been in consultation about the Stars and Stripes? Is that the information? Mr. Jones. Well, Senator, I wanted to know that. I wanted to know who it is that is so anxious to make any trouble they can for our publication. Naturally, it is my business to know. I suggested PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2543 to Mr. Heffernan that he try to find out, and if Mr. Heffernan made that statement Senator Edge. You heard his statement. Mr. Jones. It was, perhaps, his unpleasant way of stating it. If you knew the history of the scrap we have been through in estab- lishing this paper, you would know we would feel rather strongly about it. Senatoi" Edge. Then, Mr. Jones, do I understand that you have absolutely no knowledge of any conference, directly or indirectly, be- tween myself or any other member of this committee with any of the gentlemen who have been named here? Mr. Jones. I have no knowledge of any such conference at all, Senator. Senator Edge. Can you give us the name of an}^ man who presumes to have such knowledge? Mr. Jones. Not at all. Senator Edge. Then the statement was absolutely without justifi- cation, was it not ? Mr. Jones. I think in the way it was made it w^as pretty strong. Senator Edge. I do not want it that way. You can answer " yes " or " no." Either it was justified or was not justified. Mr. Jones. I can not pass judgment on somebody else's statement. Senator Edge. You can pass judgment on your own knowledge. Mr. Jones. AVell, I am telling you what I know. Senator Edge. And you say you know absolutely nothing of your own knowledge? Mr. Jones. I do not know Avhat conferences you may have had with anybody else. Senator Edge. The facts are quite the contrary. I am sure it is not necessary to make the statement, but on Monday I happened to make a speech in the city of Boston and came through on a night train to the city of Washington. I went through New York. Senator Reed. I want to say this for the record, that I think the statement was absolutely unjustified, and I think we are dignifying it too much when we even discuss it. The Chairman. That is all, Mr. Jones. Mr. Jones. You do not want anything about the editorial matters at all? The Chairman. Is that a suggestion of yours to this committee? Mr. Jones. Anything you want to know that I can tell you I shall be very glad to tell you. If this paper is in politics I am out of it. I have been making a fight for a year and a half to establish an independent newspaper and I have seen the political influences that have tried to insinuate themselves into everything the ex-soldier has tried to do. Senator Reed. I want to ask a question or two. The question has been brought out here that tliere is a lady who is employed in Mr. Jamieson's office, and the inference or innuendo is made that in that way the national Democratic committee is influencing or controlling *this paper. What about that ? Mr. Jones. I have had many business dilferences with Mrs. Parks. I have one at the present time. But I can tell you, and as a matter of fact I have a memorandum six months old to corroborate, that Mrs. 2544 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Parks nor anybody else lias ever tried to use the paper through that connection for any political reason. Mrs. Parks sent me as editor some months ago a very definite instruction that the paper must not be involved in politics. The paper is now at the point of success, actually earning a profit, and has a very large influence and very large clien- tele among service men, and that could not be maintained if this paper were in politics for anybody. There is no one more suspicious of that than the ex-soldiers. Senator Keed. Did you understand Mrs. Parks put her own capital in there, or that she got this money from some political committee or political connection ? Mr. Jones. I do not know where she got the money. Senator Reed. Did you ever understand she got it from any politi- cal source? Mr. Jones. No, sir. My only complaint is that she had difficulty in getting enough to finance the paper. She never got as much as she agreed to get. Senator Keed. As far as you are concerned as editor of this paper, you have never allowed it to be used for political purposes ? Mr. Jones. Absolutely not. As I say, it would be fatal, and the inferences brought about by this investigation are absolutely damag- ing to us, and I think that is possibly what prompted Mr. Heffer- nan's rather overstatement of the case. We are not in politips and do not want to be and can not afford to be. Senator Reed. You absolutely say that this paper is not controlled by the Democratic national committee? ^ Mr. Jones. Oh, no. Senator Reed. You say " No." Do you mean to say that you do say that it is not so controlled ? Mr. Jones. It is not, absolutely. So far as the conduct of the paper is concerned The Chairman (interposing). The stock is controlled b}^ an em- ployee of the Democratic national committee ; that is the difference. Mr. Jones. I believe so. The actual work and editing of the paper is done by men who w^ere with the paper in France. Senator Reed. Now, let us see about that suggestion of the chair- man. This lady happens to be an employee of that committee, but has that anything to do or any connection with your paper ? Mr. Jones. No ; it has not. The Chairman. Is there any politics in publishing an article like that and not marking it advertising, a half -page article? Mr. Jones. That is obviously an advertisement. Anybody who reads knows the difference between editorial matter and advertising. The Chairman. Why is not the advertisement " put on it? Does not the law require that ? Mr. Jones. That I do not know about, any legal requirements. The copy came in from New York and did not carry what most political ads do, a statement, " Paid advertisement,'' or something like that on it. The Chairman. It is a paid advertisement? * Mr. Jones. Absolutely; obviously anybody knows an advertise- ment from reading matter in a newspaper. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2545 Senator Reed. Did you have anything else you wanted to say to the committee? Mr. JoxEs. No; unless the committee wants something further. (Witness excused.) TESTIMONY OF MR. R. T. SCOTT. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. Senator Reed. I may state to the committee that this gentleman is in charge of the matter brought up about the Attorney General's office on yesterday. The Chairman. Proceed. Mr. Scott. My title is secretary and assistant to the Attorney General. Mr. Montrose, whose accounts you had before the com- mittee, was ordered by me, as is customary, to accompany the Attor- ney General on his trip to San Francisco. It has always been the custom, so far as I know, to have the departments pay — I think in all departments — the expenses of one stenographer, at least, to a Cabinet officer when he travels for the transaction of such public business as may be necessary. That is the fact in this instance. I happen to be familiar with that account, and will be glad to explain any of the items that you miay have in mind. The Chairman. We will be glad to have you explain this Pullman item, San Francisco to New York City, $131. Mr. Scoi'T, Mr. Palmer, as you gentlemen may know, is accom- panied during these times by armed secret service guards, in y'lew of the fact that his home was bombed and that he is a man marked by the radicals of this country, and hence we have deemed it neces- sary to protect him. In that stateroom — or drawing room, rather — in which the stenographer traveled there also traveled one or two secret service men; I am not sure as to the number of secret service men, for whom no additional charge was mavie against the Gov- ernment. The Chairman. This covers what, this charge of $131 ? Mr. Scott. It covers a drawing-room from San Francisco to New York used by the stenographer and by one or two secret service men. I do not know whether there were two at that time or not. There were two going out, and whether there were two coming back I do not know. The Chairman. You can not throw much light on it unless you can tell whether there were two coming back. Mr. Scott. I know there was one. The Chairman. You know there was one ? Mr. Scott. I know that. The Chairman. You know there were two persons in the drawnig- room ? Mr. Scott. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Mr. Montrose and the secret service man? Mr. Scott. A secret service man by the name of Galliher. The Chairman. That is the price for two in the drawing-room? Mr. Scott. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What is the $109.30 San Francisco to Wash- ington ? 2546 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Scott. May I look at the item? The Cpiairman. The Attorney General was on this same trip? Mr. Scott. He was on this same trip. The Chairman. But his expenses are not taxed against the Gov- ernment ? Mr. Scott. No, sir. Every cent was paid by him. I may add that I personally went to San Francisco, took my annual leave, paid my own expenses ? The Chairman. You paid your own expenses to San Francisco ? Mr. Scott. I paid my own expenses to San Francisco ; yes. The Chairman. Why did you do that ? Mr. Scott. I will be frank with you, Senator. I considered with my relation to the Attorney General I could have charged that against the Government, because I did transact business on the Avay out; but I did not consider it was of sufficient importance to charge the whole expense to the Government, and therefore I did not. The Chairman. You ought to be commended. Mr. Scott. Thank you, sir. The Chairman. What is this railroad item ? Mr. Scott. One of the items is Pullman and one is a ticket. The Chairman. Ticket for one or for two ? Mr. Scott. This is a ticket for one — wait, now. I think Montrose got both the Pullmans ; I am sure of that, that he got both the Pull- mans and the tickets on one transportation request. The transpor- tation request will show it was for two persons. The Chairman. Pullman, from Harrisburg, going out to San Francisco, $57.50. Is that a drawing-room, too, and under the same circumstances ? Mr. Scott. Yes. The Chairman. The special agents who were guarding the At- torney General rode in the drawing-room ? Mr. Scott. Yes. The Chairman. Where did the Attorney General ride ? Mr. Scott. In his own private drawing-room. They went out in a compartment car chartered by the Attorney General and some friends of his in Pennsylvania. The Attorney General had, I think, two compartments, which he and Mrs. Palmer occupied. The Chairman. It was a private car? Mr. Scott. It was a private car; yes, sir; and there was nothing but drawing-rooms in it, and for these men to be in it he had to have a drawing-room or they could not have sit in the car with him; if they had to take berths in another car, they could not have been with him. If they had not taken a drawing-room they would have had to be in another car. The Chairman. Who paid for the private car ? Mr. Scott. The Attorney General and his friends, with the ex- ception of this charge here. Senator Edge. That is simply a refund to whoever paid for the car ? Mr. Scott. I do not know how that angle of it was arranged. I think in making the arrangements with the ticket agent, this amount w^as taken into consideration before the cash payment was made by the Attorney (leneral and his friends. Senator Eeed. As a matter of fact, the way these things are done is this, is it not : Enough people ; ,< rc ^ to take tickets so that the rail- PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGI^^ EXPENSES. 2547 road company will then furnish a car for that party, and then the people either pay for their tickets individually or it may be paid for by some one else ? Mr. Scott. Yes, sir. Senator Eeed. Do you know whether in this instance the people in that car did pay for their tickets individually ? Mr. Scott. I know they did; yes. There was one man who was assigned to take charge of the expenses, just for the sake of conveni- ence, and they made their payments to him. Senator Reed. So everybody paid his fare on that car, and these two Government agents, having gone out for the purpose of protect- ing the Attorney General, paid their fare and it comes back from the Government ? Mr. Scott. Yes ; that is correct. The Chaiemax. The special agents did not pay their fare out of their oAvn pockets ? Mr. Scott. No; but it comes back from the Government. This is the reimbursement. Senator Reed. But the railroad Avas paid ? Mr. Scott. The railroad was paid ; yes. The Chairman. That is all ; thank you. (Witness excused.) Mr. Cooper. Mr. Chairman, may I make a statement? I was referred to yesterday in. the testimony. ±he Chairman. All right. (The Avitness was duly sworn by the chairman.) The Chairman. Go ahead. Mr. Cooper. Reference was made before this committee to two vouchers of mine showintj transportation and expenses to San Fran- voucher, which I think you have before you, a statement is made concerning expenses incurred by me on June 15, 16, IT, and 18. Those days I Avas in the city of New \ ork in connection with the obtaining of evidence upon a forgery Avhich Avas alleged before the Committee on Rules of the House of Representatives to have been committed The Chairman. We did not take that up at all. Mr. Cooper. There was some other mention made about certain disalloAvances in my account and that is involved in that matter. At that time and at all times I have traveled on an allowance of $5 per day or actual expenses. I ha\^e made it a point to always put in my vouchers the actual expenses of the trip. It is impossible to bring those Avithin the $5 a day allowance, and consequently the disbursing clerk of the department and Division of Accounts dis- alloAvs eA^erything above the $5 item. That is the reason for cer- tain items which were disallowed in the vouchers which appeared before you yesterday. On the 20th of June, Sunday, I left the city of Chicago en route to San Francisco. That trip was paid for entirely by the Government. The purpose of the trip was to inquire into certain conditions existing TESTIMONY OF MR. JOHN E. COOPER. Cisco and return in the months On the first 2548 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. in the far West in connection with radical matters. I might say that I am in charge of the investigation of radical activities in this country and the I. W. W. situation in the West, which had been a matter to which we had given considerable time and attention. The new deportation act, which has been recently passed by the Congress on June 6, and the enforcement of certain provisions of that act come under the supervision of the Department of Justice. I stopped off in Los Angeles to confer with the agent of the De- partment of Justice in that city upon certain international relations whicli this country has with other nations and which are pertinent to the Pacific coast alone. I was in Los Angeles one day and arrived in San Francisco on the Saturday previous to the opening of the con- vention. I had a conference on Saturday morning in the bureau of investi- gation. I was in conference on Monday and Tuesday at the bureau of investigation with agents of the Department of Justice, and also with individuals in San Francisco who were considered experts upon the matters upon which I was there. I planned to leave on Wednes- day, but due to the illness of my sister, who was with me, I had to de- lay that departure until Thursday morning. That was Thursday of the first week of the convention. I proceeded to Seattle and had three days' conferences at that point. I then proceeded to Butte, and I be- lieve I was somewhere between Butte and Chicago when the nomi- nations were finally decided upon at San Francisco. At no time did I participate in any political activities in the city of San Francisco. The inference was apparently drawn here that it was for some polit- ical purpose, but I did not see or confer with the Attorney General. The Chairman. Did you visit his headquarters? Mr. Cooper. I was there once in the evening, on Monday night. I was there at no other time during that week. I was at the convention about three-quarters of an hour on Tuesday afternoon. That is practically the substance of the items in my report. Senator Reed. That was long enough to be there, was it not? Mr. Cooper. I should say so, Senator. The Chairman. That is all. That seems to have been a very busy time in San Francisco. (Witness excused.) (Thereupon, at 1 o'clock p. m., the subcommittee took a recess until 2.15 o'clock p. m.) AFTERNOON SESSION. The subcommittee reassembled at the expiration of the recess, Senator William S. Kenyon presiding. Present : Senators Kenyon (chairman). Edge, Eeed, and Pomerene. TESTIMONY OF MR. WILLIAM M. MOONEY. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. The Chairman. What is your official business? Mr. MooNEY. Disbursing officer of the Post Office Department. Senator. The Chairman. You were asked to bring some vouchers here. Mr. MooNEY. No ; I was not asked to bring any vouchers. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2549 The Chairmax. Expense accounts? Mr, ]MooxEY. If there were any. The Chairmax. Did you find any? JMr. ^looxEY. Xot one. The Chairmax. Xo expense accounts? Mr. MooxEY. Of what nature, for instance? The Chairmax. AVas there no expense account of the chief clerk for about the time of the San Francisco convention ? Mr. MooxEY. Xone whatever. The Chairmax^. Woukl the expense accounts be in ? Mr. MooxEY. Oh, yes. The Chairmax. He went to San Francisco, did he not ? Mr. MooxEY. So I understand from hearsay. That is the only knoAvledge that I have. The Chair^iax. You have examined to find whether there are any vouchers, and you find none? Mr. MooxEY. None whatever. The Chairman. All right, sir. We land nothing on that lead. (Witness excused.) TESTIMONY OF MR. E. M. ALLEN. The witness was duly sworn by the chairman. The Chairmax. Mr. Allen, what is your business ? Mr. Allex. I am president of the Mathieson Alkali Works. The Chairmax. Your name was given to me by some of the Sena- tors. Is that one of Col. Thompson's companies ? Is he a director ? Mr. Allen. No ; he is not a director. The Chairmax. Have you anything to do with the ways and means committee of the Republican national committee ? Mr. Allen. Yes. The Chairman. What position? Mr. Allen. I am on a committee to solicit funds for the national Republican committee. The Chairman. In the city of Xew York ? Mr. Allen. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Who are the other members of the committee ? Mr. Allen. I can not remember; but there is a Mr. Pierson, I think; a Mr. Oakes — that is about all I can remember of the com- mittee. The Chairman. Who appoints this committee ? Mr. Allen. I think that I was asked to serve by, I think, Mr. Wright. The Chairmax. Who is Mr. Wright? Mr. Allex. He is either the secretary or the assistant secretary of the ways and means committee. New York. The Chairmax. Do you have a ways and means committee of the city of New York? Mr. Allex. Yes, sir. The Chairmax. You are a member of that ways and means com- mittee ? Mr. Allex. Yes. The Chairmax. How much is that committee to raise? 2550 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Allen. The committee was asked to raise, I think, about — oh, as a committee, I do not know. The Chairman. What do you expect to raise as a committee? Mr. Allen. I do not know anything except that that relates to the chemical division. The Chairman. Do you have a chemical division of this com- mittee ? Mr. Allen. Yes, sir. The Chairman. To raise money among the chemical proprietors? Mr. Allen. The manufacturers of chemicals. The Chairman. You are a member of that committee? Mr. Allen. Yes, sir. The Chairman. How many are on that committee? Mr. Allen. I do not remember exactly ; I think about five or six. - I can not remember. The Chairman. How much are you to raise among the chemical manufacturers? Mr. Allen. I think they asked us to attempt to raise about $34,000. The Chairman. Have you done that? Mr. Allen. No, sir. The Chairman. How much have you raised? Mr. Allen. I think from the last figures that I heard or saw it was about $10,000. The Chairman. Are there other subcommittees to raise funds among other branches of industry? Mr. Allen. I think there are. The Chairman. That is the way the committee is divided up? Mr. Allen. Yes, sir. The Chairman. When you collect this money — or do you do thb actual collecting of the money? Do you participate in that your- self? Mr. Allen. I have not collected anything. The Chairman. Who has done the collecting? Mr. Allen. I think it has been sent in by individuals. The Chairman. You induce them to send, and they send it to the treasurer of the national committee? Mr. Allen. Yes, sir. The Chairman. They send it to Mr. Upham? Mr. Allen. I think they send it to Mr. Blaine. The Chairman. He is the eastern treasurer? ^ . Mr. Allen. He is the eastern treasurer. The Chairman. What is the name of your company ? Mr. Allen. The Mathieson Alkali Works. The Chairman. How many of these dilferent companies are there whom you are trying to have give ? Mr. Allen. I suppose the list embraces about 30 to 35. The Chairman. Are there Democrats in that list as well as Re- publicans? Mr. Allen. We found there were ; yes. The Chairman. Are you soliciting contributions from Democrats or only from Republicans? Mr. Allen. Only Republicans. PKESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2551 The Chairmax. It is not for the purpose, then, of the industry itself, is it, or for any tariff, or anything of that character? Mr. Allex. Xo, sir ; it is just for the Republican Party, sir. The Chairman. How do they happen to be divided up in this way? Mr. Allen. I suppose they*^ have followed the methods that the Red Cross system used. The Chairman. Was that done in the Red Cross ? !Mr. Allen. Yes. The Chairman. Were you on the committee of the Red Cross, too? Mr. Allen. Xot in Xew York. I lived in Chicago at that time. Senator Edge. Is Col. Thompson connected at all with the com- pany? My impression was that you were brought here on that ac- count. You said he was not a director. Mr. Allen. He is a stockholder. Senator Edge. Simply a stockholder? Mr. Allen. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Are your directors all Republicans? Mr. Allen. Xo; they are not. Senator Edge. ^^Tio are your directors, offhand? Mr. Allen. There is Mr. Galen L. Stone, of Boston: Mr. ]Max Moran, of Xiagara Falls: Mr. C. J. Schmidlap, of Xew York: Mr. R. Thornton Wilson, of Wilson Senator Edge. Who is Mr. Wilson ? Mr. Allen. He is a Democrat, and he is also a member of the committee to raise money for the Democratic national committee. Senator Edge. You mean Mr. Gerard's special committee ? Mr. Allen. I think so. Senator Edge. Then you have representatives of both parties on the board of that great corporation? Mr. Allen. Yes, sir. I do not know how many names I have men- tioned there, but we have nine directors in our company. There is Mr. F. B. Richards, Charles H. Xewall, Mr. Charles O. Reed, and myself. I think that is about all. Senator Edge. Your contributions that you solicit — are they solicited from corporations or individuals ? Mr. Allen. Only from individuals. There are very strict instruc- tions about being impossible to solicit from corj^orations. Senator Reed. Have you sent out any letters ? Mr. Allen. Yes. I gave only a letter of introduction. I did not ever write any letter soliciting subscriptions. I gave a letter of introduction to a few people in our industry. Senator Reed, Did you say to these gentlemen, in substance and in fact, that while a corporation could not subscribe, the way the con- tribution would have to be made was by these officers or stockholders subscribing in their names? Mr. Allen. Xo, sir. Senator Reed. You never had any such talk as that? Mr. Allen. Xo, sir. Senator Reed. You started out to raise among the chemical manu- facturers $34,000? Mr. Allen. I think that was the amount. 182774— 20— PT 19 A 2552 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. Do you know whether an arrangement has been made to or«:anize among other businesses in the same way and raise money through them ? Mr. Ai.LEN. I do not know directly; no. But I think that they have sort of used the same method, like shoe manufacturers and other industrial lines — grocers, lawyers — the same sort of a general plan that the Red Cross pursued. Senator Reed. Did the Red Cross pursue that plan in New York? Mr. Allen. I do not know. I lived in Chicago at the time. Senator Reed. Have you had anything to do with the expenditures of any moneys? Mr. Allen. No, sir. Senator Reed. Where does the money go that you collect ? Mr. Allen. I think it goes to the eastern treasurer, formerly Mr. Schley, now Mr. Blaine. Senator Reed. Mr. Chairman, that is all I want to ask now. There is a matter that this witness w^as called for of a special nature, but it has slipped my mind. We called him here together at the time some- thing came up in the testimony of one of the witnesses that we wanted explained. The Chairman. We put him on because he had a particular rea- son for getting away. Mr. Allen. I did not get this notice until about half-past 3 yes- terday, and I have got five men in New York now from different parts of the United States who have been held over until to-day. The Chairman. When is your next train ? Mr. Allen. Four o'clock. Senator Reed. We will get you off in time for that. The Chairman. What time is it now ? Mr. Allen. Twenty minutes of 3. The Chairman. Will that give you time enough ? * Mr. Allen. All I need to do is to walk to the station. (The witness was temporarily excused.) Senator Reed. Since we are on newspaper business, I would like to have the editor of the Republican. The Chairman. Will you arrange to finish with Mr. Allen? Senator Reed. Yes ; I will try to. The Chairman. Mr. Lock wood. TESTIMONY OF MR. GEORGE B. LOCKWOOD. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) Senator Reed. Mr. Lockwood, what is your business? Mr. Lockwood. I am the publisher of the Muncie (Ind.) Evening Press and the manager and editor of the National Republican at Washington. Senator Reed. Is the National Republican printed or owned by a corporation or by individuals? ^ j Mr. Lockwood. By a corporation. ^ Senator Reed. When was the corporation organized ? Mr. Lockwood. In November, 1917. Prior to that time, I may say, it was published as an adjunct of the Muncie Evening Press by mvself. . 'Senator Reed. Of Muncie, Ind. ? I PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2553 Mr. LocKwooD. Of Mimcie, Ind. ; yes, sir. Senator Reed. Who are the stockholders? Mr. LocKwooD. The stockholders are the estate, I presume — Mr. Martin is dead — of Alva Martin, of Norfolk, Va. ; Mr. Adam Beck, of Greencastle, Ind.; Mr. William Irwin, of Columbus, Ind.: Mr. John T. Adams, of Dubuque, Iowa; Mr. J. T. Carr, of Dubuque, Iowa; Mr. William B. McKinley, of Illinois; Mr. George W. Fairchild, former member of Congress from New York (I believe his home is at Oneonta, N. Y.) ; former Senator Hemenway, of Booneville, Ind.; Mr. Charles D. Hilles, of New York; Mr. William Thompson, of New York ; Mr. A. T. Hurt, of Louisville, and myself. Senator Eeed. Can you tell us the total amount of the capital stock ? Mr. LocKwooD. The total authorized issue of capital stock is $200,000 Senator Eeed. How much has been issued? Mr. LocKwooD. About $60,000 of the preferred stock. We have $100,000 preferred and $100,000 common. Senator Reed. $60,000 of the preferred stock has been issued. How much of the common? Mr. LocKwooD. Well, with the preferred stock the way it was sold was that with each share of preferred stock a half share of common stock was issued. That would be about one-half of the amount^ — the amount issued — say, $30,000 as the purchase price of the paper. When it w^as transferred I received a total of $62,500 of the common stock and $25,000 of the preferred. Senator Reed. In order to get that a little bit clearer, Mr. Lock- wood, the capital stock authorized is $200,000? Mr. LocKWOOD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. One-half preferred and one-half common? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. You have received, as a consideration for your paper enterprise, Avhich you moved "here to Washington and turned over to this corporation, how much preferred stock? Mr. LocinvooD. $25,000. Senator Reed. And how much common? Mr. Lockwood. $62,500. Senator Reed. $62,500 of common. Is anybody in any way inter- ested with you in these two blocks of stock or either of them? Mr. Lockwood. No, sir. Senator Reed. You absolutely own them yourself? Mr. Lockwood. Absolutely. Senator Reed. Nobody has got any claims on them of any kind ? Mr. Lockwood. No, sir. Senator Reed. What is the amount of the other stock that is out- standing ? Mr. Lockwood. Approximately, Senator, $50,000. I failed to men- tion one stockholder here. His name is John W. Weeks, ex- Senator. Sehator Reed. I want to know the amount, first, of the common stock that is outstanding that you do not hold. ■ Mr. LocKAvooD. Approximately, I should judge, about $10,000. Senator Reed. Of the common? Mr. Lockwood! Yes. 2554 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Keed. How much of the preferred is outstanding that you do not hold? Mr. LocKwooD. About $45,000. Senator Reed. Is that paid for, that $45,000? Mr. LocKwooD. The method of organization was this: I received in return for the publication $25,000 of preferred stock and $62,500 of common. The preferred stock was sold to the stockholders, and with each 100 shares of preferred there were 50 given as common, just half as many, as a bonus. Senator Reed. You sold $10,000 of preferred at par ? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed, And you gave Mr. LocKwooD. $5,000 of common as a bonus. Senator Reed. That accounts for only $5,000 of this $45,000 of common. You say there is $45,000 of common outstanding, outside of what you own. There is only $10,000 of preferred. Am I right about that ? Mr. LocKWOOD. No ; there is $62,500 of common, half the amount of i^ref erred — I have the exact figures here. Senator Reed. Wait just a moment. Let us get this straight. Mr. LocKWWD. I could get that, Senator, of course. Senator Reed. We will get it very quickly. I will just go over it again, and you just answer the questions directly on each case, and then we will get it straight. The total capital stock is $200,000, authorized? Mr. LocKWOOD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. One-half— $100,000— is preferred, and $100,000 is common? That is right, is it not? Mr. LocKWooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Of the preferred stock there was issued about $25,000? Mr. LocKWooD. That is correct. Senator Reed. And there was issued to you of the common stock $62,500? Mr. LocKWOOD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And both of those blocks of stock you still hold ? Mr. Lock WOOD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. How much preferred stock has been issued outside of what you hold ? Mr. LocKwooD. Well, approximately $55,000; and there would be half that much common issued with that. Senator Reed. Then, there would be common, $27,500. A minute ago you said $10,000. Mr. LocKAvooD. I did not mean that. I said about ten thousanc left after you add those two together. Senator Reed. Oh. There would be about ten thousand left. Oj this $55,000 preferred stock held by other stockholders than your- self and which carries with it the common stock, I want to know hoT^ much each of these individuals whom you have named as stockhold- ers own. Mr. LocKwooD. If I am to give that with absolute accuracy, I would want to consult the books. I can give it to the best of my rec- ollection, just the approximate amount. Senator Reed. Give it approximately. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2555 Mr. LocKWooD. I would like to give it from the books. Mr. Mar- tin had $1,000; Mr. Beck, $3,000 Senator Kep:d. That is preferred that Ave are talking about? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir; with half that much common stock in each case. Mr. Beck, $8,000; Mr. Irwin, $2,500; Mr. Adams, $8,000 Senator Reed. Who is that Mr. Adams ? Mr. LocKAVOOD. Mr. Adams is of Dubuque, Iowa. He is a business man there; membei- of the national committee from Iowa. Mr. T. J. Carr, who is his partner, $2,000; Mr. McKinlev, $5,000; Mr. Fair- child, I think, $2,000 ; Mr. Hemimvav, $5,000 ; Mr. Thompson, $15,000 ; Mr. Hilles, $2,500; Mr. Hart, $1,000; Mr. AVeeks, $5,000. Senator Eeed. Just so that I may get these gentlemen's political connections, the first one is Martin ? Mr. LocKAvooD. A former member of the national committee from Virginia. He is deceased. Senator Eeed. He was a member ? Mr. LocKAVOOD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Mr. Beck? Mr. Lockavood. Mr. Beck has no political connection. He is a friend of mine, a business man in Indiana. Senator Reed. Mr. Irwin? Mr. Lockavood. The same. He is an active Republican in In- diana. Senator Reed. Mr. Adams ? Mr. Lockavood. He is a member of the Republican national com- mittee from Iowa, and at this time is vice chairman of the committee. Senator Reed. Mr. Carr? Mr. Lockavood. Mr. Carr is his partner. He has no political position. . Senator Reed. The next one is Mr. McKinley. Mr. Lockavood. Whom, of course, you knoAv — Congressman from Illinois. Senator Reed. He is a member of the committee, is he ? Mr. LocKAA'ooD. No; he is the Republican candidate for the Sen- ate in Illinois at this time. Senator Reed. Mr. Fairchild? Mr. Lockavood. Mr. Fairchild is a former Member of Congress. Senator Reed. Is he a member of the committee ? Mr. LocKAA^ooD. No, sir. Senator Reed. Mr. HemiuAvay? Mr. Lockavood. Mr. HemiuAvay is a former United States Senator ' Avho lives at Boone ville, Ind. Senator Reed. Not a member of -the committee? Mr. Lockavood. No, sir. He was a member, hoAvever, at the time * he became a stockholder, it is fair to say. ^ Senator Reed. Mr. Thompson — is he chairman of the Mr. Lockavood. Ways and means committee of the Republican na,- s tional committee. Senator Reed. Mr. Hilles? 1 Mr. Lockavood. Mr. Hilles is a former national chairman of the -> Republican national committee. i Senator Reed. Is he a member now? ; Mr. Lockavood. No, sir. The Chairman. He is a committeeman from New York. 2556 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGl^ EXPENSES. Mr. LocKAVooD. Recently elected. That is so. He was elected at the June convention. Senator Reed. Mr. Hurt? Mr. LocKWOOD. He is a member of the committee from Louisville, Ky. Senator Reed. Is Mr. Weeks a member ? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. He also was elected in June. He was not a member at the time he became interested in this company. Senator Reed. Is there any contract, agreement, or arrangement with reference to the management or the direction of the manage- ment of this paper? Mr. LocKwooD. No, sir. Senator Reed. These men are practically all politicians ? Mr. LocKWOOD. Practically all interested in politics. Senator Reed. And statesmen. Of course, you had a political pur- pose in establishing this paper? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Was there any arrangement made with them or any statement made to them that the paper would have any particular policy or do any particular thing? Mr. LocKFooD. No, sir ; it was agreed that I should have — that was the idea in this stock arrangement, that I was to have complete con- trol of the policy of the paper. Senator Reed. But you told them what the policy would be ? Mr. LocKwooD. I do not know that I told them, but they all under- stood. Senator Reed. They all understood it would be a Republican organ ? Mr. LocKwooD. A little bit broader than that. Senator. The paper, of course, is political. It is a Republican paper, as the name indi- cates. It has a little broader than a purely political purpose. Senator Edge. There is no subterfuge whatever about that ? Mr. LocKWOOD. No, sir. Senator Reed. There is no claim that there is. Mr. LocKWOOD. I will say that one of the ideas of the publication from the beginning has been to combat, I would say, particularly socialism. We have a platform here which describes in a general way what we have in mind and what we agree to do, if you care to have it. Senator Reed. Let us see it. The Chairman. Is there anything about the League of Nations in the platform? Mr. LocKWooD. Yes, sir — not specifically, but by anticipation. It was written before The Chairman. There is no difficulty, when you read this paper, in understanding its policy? Mr. LocKWooD. No, sir ; I do not believe there is. We do not aim to have any difficulty. Senator Reed. When was this platform or declaration of principles adopted ? Mr. Lockwood. About two years ago. You say " adopted," Sena- tor. I simply wrote it and promulgated it. Senator Reed. I was using the word " adopted " in that sense. The Chairman. Your platform? j Mr.LocKWOOD. My platform. | PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2557 Senator Reed. I think we had better print it in the record. The Chairman. It is a good platform, is it ? Senator Reed. Part of it is good. I do not see how he expects to carry it all out through the instrumentality that he has chosen. Mr. LocKW^ooD. We hope to work on the party, Senator. Senator Reed. It may be you can work oii the party. You may be able to even reform the Republican Party ; I do not know. I do not care to take the time to read it into the record. I will just hand it to the reporter. The last clause is this : A believer in the Republican Party as the natural conservator and adminis- trator of the fundamental traditions and doctrines of historic Americanism, laboring as the organ of no feud, faction, or individual for the upbuilding of that party from without and within as an essential instrumentality for the preservation and progress of the Republic, in whose history it has written so many splendid pages and, if true to its traditions, will write many more. That last clause expresses, I suppose, pretty well the idea of the support that this paper is to give to a political party. You expect to support the Republican Party and you have been supporting it ? Mr. Lockwood. We have been supporting the Republican Party and expect to support it as long as it stands for what we have out- lined here. (The " platform " referred to is as follows :) The national weekly condensed review of public affairs, published from the center of national events. A mouthpiece of traditional, constructive principles and policies which have secured to this Republic economic independence, material wealth, and moral greatness. A foe of that revolutionary, unreasoning radicalism, which would abandon the landmarks of representative government, and risk in academic experiment the perpetuity of the great constitutional system under which this Nation has enjoyed a century and a third of orderly, progressive government, safeguarding those rights of person and property for the preservation of which, as essential to human happiness, governments are instituted among men. It stands for the perfecting, rather than the destruction, of that system. An enemy of socialism, anarchism, and bolshevism, whether open or covert, in public or private life. An advocate of industrial peace, through justice to all elements of American citizenship, and the overthrow of demagogism, with its appeals to class preju- dice and hatred, to envy and cupidity, to laziness and disloyalty, to indifference and inefficiency. A preacher of the duties as well as the rights of American citizenship; its obligations, as well as its opportunities. An antidote for that vast volume of socialistic and anarchistic agitation which is flooding the country, polluting public sentiment, undermining the faith of the people in the historic fundamentals of Americanism, destroying the indus- trial and political efficiency of the American people, and tending to establish in this country, in place of just and judicious government, that irresponsible usurpation of power by class-conscious groups w^hich has hurled Russia from the extreme of autocracy to that of anarchy and wiped it from the map of the world as a power. A champion of a stalwart, imwavering Americanism, which at all times and everywhere throughout the world stands for the protection of lives and rights of American citizens, on sea or land, on this and other continents; which is for America first, last, and all the time, and would sacrifice no just interest of the American i>eople in behalf of any visionary scheme of internationalism; which will devote itself in domestic legislation and administration and in its diplomacy to the welfare of America and Americanism, backing its words with deeds, and commanding respect for itself in both hemispheres by deserving, firmly demanding, and promptly enforcing that respect where it is not volun- tarily yielded. A propagandist of preparedness for war in time of peace and for peace in time of war, for the protection of the American people against the invasion of 2558 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. arms and the invasion of foreign competitors armed with the weapon of a cheap- ness attained through the sacrifice of human values. A foe of sectionalism, of political division based upon class or occupational self-interest, of corruption and intimidation, of the use of great Government agencies having the power of life and death over industry for personal and par- tisan purposes. An advocate of the doing by parties, party leaders, and individuals in all matters affecting the public interest of that which is morally and intellectually safe and right rather than the merely expedient thing. A believer in the Republican Party as tlie natural conservator and admin- istrator of the fundamental traditions and doctrines of historic Americanism, laboring, as the organ of no feud, faction, or individual, for the upbuilding of that party from without and within as an essential instrumentality for the preservation and progress of the Republic, in whose history it has writ- ten so many splendid pages, and, if true to its traditions, will write many more. Senator Reed. What is your circulation? Mr. LocKwooD. Our circulation is at this time approximately 240,000. Senator Reed. How long has it been at that figure? Mr. LocKwooD. Well, it has been up to approximately 200,000, I think, the greater part of this year. Senator Reed. That is, 1920? Mr. LoGKwooD. 1920. At this time we are putting out, in addi- tion to the 240,000 papers, 100,000 papers additionally, which gives the paper a total circulation at this time of 340,000 to 350,000. Senator Reed. You say that at the beginning of this year you had approximately 200,000 circulation ? Mr. LocKwooD. Well, up toward that. Senator Reed. That is around the month of January. Before that what was 3^our circulation ? Mr. LocKwooD. It had a gradual growth since we came here. We came to Washington in May, 1918. That is, we began to print here. We came here in January, 1918, and the paper had a cir- culation when we came here of about 30,000, and it has had a gradual growth from that day to this. Senator Reed. Will you follow that along and tell me what it was, say, in the beginning of 1919 ? Mr. LocKWOOD. I would not want to say, except in the roundest terms. Senator. I have an impression we had at the beginning of 1919 probably 100,000. Senator Reed. And then we will say the middle of 1919. Where had you gotten to then ? Mr. LocKwooD. Possibly 130,000 or 140,000. Senator Reed. The last of 1919? Mr. LocKWOOD. Up toward 200,000, perhaps 170,000 or 180,000. Senator Reed. At that time and for some months prior to that time the Republican national committee had been pretty active in sup- porting this paper ? Mr. LocKwooD. They had supported the paper then. That is, by way of, to some extent, circulating papers. Senator Reed. How much money have you received from the na- tional Republican committee ? Mr. LocKWOOD. I think a total of about $35,000. The Chairman. In what period of time ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2559 Mr. LocKWOOD. A period of a year and a half. I have here the j total receipts of the publication on circulation, which is our only source of income. \ Senator Eeed. What is your subscription price per annum ? ' Mr. LocKwooD. At this time it is $1.50 a year. Up to January 1 j of this year it was $1 a year. ( Senator Eeed. When did you get this $35,000 from the national 1 committee ? '; Mr. LocKwooD. At various times spread over the last year and a [ half. i Senator Eeed. Tell us about how it came in. I do not want to go I into detail. When did you get the last? Mr. LocKwooD. We got the last in July. Senator Eeed. Of this year? Mr. LocKwooD. This year. Senator Eeed. How much was that ? Mr. LocKWOOD. That was in the neighborhood of $15,000. It represented an account, though, that was in part a year old. Senator Eeed. What do you give the Eepublican national com- mittee for this money ? Mr. LocKwooD. Papers. Senator Eeed. You furnish them extra papers ? Mr. LocKWOOD. Furnish papers to lists which they furnish us. Senator Eeed. Exactly. You furnish those, papers regularly, do you ? Mr. LocKWOOD. Eegularly. 1: Senator Eeed. How large a list of that kind have you to-day? Mr. LocKwooD. Of our total circulation of 240,000, approximately, i about 150,000 to 160,000 is comprised of individual subscriptions, I persons who themselves take and pay for the paper. The remainder is composed of subscriptions sent out by party committees including the national committee. State committees, and anybody who is inter- ested in circulating the paper. Senator Eeed. So that of your issue which now amounts to 340,000 per annum Mr. LocKwooD. No. This hundred thousand. Senator, is a mere week to week proposition. It is not the permanent part of our circulation of 240,000. Senator Eeed. Of your subscription, your permanent list of : 240,000, about 150,000 are individual subscribers who pay for their , papers themselves? Mr. LocKAVooD. Yes; from 150,000, I judge, to 160,000. Senator Eeed. And about 90,000 of them Mr. LocKWOOD. From 80 to 90 at this time. k^^enator Eeed (continuing). Are not subscribers themselves, but L somebody else, some club or some committee pays you for the paper i and you send it out to the various people whose names they give you ? I Mr. LocKwooD. That is correct. 1 Senator Eeed. How much of a list have you from the national i committee of that kind ? Mr. LocKwooD. I judge about at this time probably half of that is I from the national committee, of that extra eighty to ninety thousand. Senator Eeed. So that from forty to forty-five thousand of these [ papers are paid for by the national committee? i 2560 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir ; I think it is fair to say that this 100,000 I speak of which goes out from week to week during the campaign are also paid for by the Republican national committee. Senator Reed. How much do they pay you? Do they pay you by the year or do they pay you by the paper ? Mr. LocKwooD. The pay us by the paper. Senator Reed. Are they sent out to the same individuals, or do you shift them from one to another? Mr. LocKwooD. We have new lists ordinarily each week during the campaign period. Senator Reed. You are sending out these papers through the mails? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. So that, as a matter of fact, of your entire circu- . lation of 340,000 sent out through the campaign there are only about 150,000 that are paid for by individuals ? Mr. LocKWOOD. From 150,000 to 160,000 at this time. Senator Reed. You said the national committee furnished you with lists of names, and you have given us the facts about that. You said there were other political committees that paid for papers and furnished you with lists of names? Mr. LocKWooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. What committees are they? Mr. LocKwooD. Well, various State committees and local com- mittees. For instance, even county committees or a local town com- mittee. There would be hundreds of those. Senator, in the aggregate. Senator Reed. How much money have you received from State committees ? Mr. LocKWOOD. That T would not want to venture. Senator, with- out Senator Reed. That is the very thing I want to get at. Mr. LocKWooD. Yes, sir. Senator Rep:d. And the county committees? Mr. LocKWooD. That, of course, can be gotten. It w^ill be quite a task to segregate them. Senator Reed. Do not your books show when you get money from a county committee? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Or a State committee? Mr. LocKW^ooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And it shows how much money came? Mr. LocKWooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And by taking that amount of money you can easily get at it? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. It can be obtained. Senator Reed. I do not care anything about the matter of a sub- scription for three or four papers, or something of that sort, but I do want to get at, in a general way, the number of these papers that are paid for by political committees. Mr. LocKAVooD. I will say one thing. Senator, that might enlighten you. You have not asked it, bu.t in part some of these papers sent out by the national committee are a joint arrangement between the national and the State committees; that is to say, the national com- mittee pays a certain portion and the State committee a certain por- PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2561 tion. That is true of some of these lists that I speak of that are com- posed of precinct committeemen of the party in various States. In that case it is a joint arrangement between national and State com- mittees. That is one little complication, of course. We can get that done. Senator Reed. Send the facts, whatever they are. For instance, the State committee of Indiana takes jointly with the national com- mittee, let us say, a thousand copies, for illustration. You can state that fact. Mr. LocKWooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And you can take that off your books and file it here, can you not? Mr. LocKWooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Are not large blocks of this subscribed for by cor- porations ? Mr. LocKAvooD. Not large blocks ; no, sir. Senator Reed. Well, do not let us haggle about terms. We do not want to do that. Are not considerable blocks ? Mr. LocKWOoD. We have sent out some papers to lists of employees furnished by certain business concerns. Senator Reed. Who is it that solicits these business concerns for subscriptions ? Mr. LocKWooD. We have various field men who do that work. Senator Reed. You send them out for the purpose of going to a corporation ? Mr. LocKWOOD. Not necessarily. Senator Reed. Or an individual ? Mr. LocKWOOD. We send them out. Senator, to sell papers to who- ever will. buy. Senator Reed. You have men, though, who are employed and whose business it is to go around and not solicit individual subscrip- tions, but to get Mr. Lockwood. Bulk circulation. Senator Reed. Bulk circulation. Mr. Lockwood. That is true. Senator Reed. That is to say, some individual or some corporation subscribes $100 or $250 or some other amount and furnishes you a list of names and you then send the papers out to that list of names ? Mr. Lockwood. That is correct. Sejiator Reed. Has Mr. Hays ever had anything to do with your newspaper enterprise? Mr. Lockwood. No, sir; except in a general way to give it his encouragement. Mr. Hays has only been in our building once, I believe. I have talked to him, of course, about the paper on more than one occasion. Senator Reed. He is still giving you his encouragement? Mr. Lockwood. Oh, yes. Senator Reed. The Republican national committee is still giving its encouragement and its indorsement? Mr. Lockwood. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. I suppose you have kept from them sedulously the fact that you were getting money from corporations in this way ? Mr. Lockwood. They have no information about the details of the business. 2562 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Rej:d. Do not any of them know these facts ? Mr. Lock WOOD. If they do, it has been obtained from some other source than myself. I have never conferred with the committee about it. Senator Reed. Can you tell the number of corporations that you have gotten subscriptions from? Mr. LocKWooD. Not without reference to the books. Senator Reed. You could if you went to your books ? Mr. Lockwood. The books show every subscription. Senator Reed. Will you give us such a list ? Mr. LocKWooD. How long do you want it, for how long a period? Senator Reed. I want it back to the first of this year and if you are still sending out papers under it I want it to go back as far as the present circulation goes. That is, I want to get at the source of the payment for your present circulation. I do not ask you to name the individual subscribers who pay for their own papers, but I am trying to get all the papers that are paid for by other than the individual himself who gets it. Mr. Lockwood. Yes. Senator Reed. Do you recognize this paper that I hand you as a subscription blank such as you use ? Mr. LocKWOOD. Yes, sir ; that is our order blank. Senator Reed. The Fairbanks Co., which subscribed $250 here is a corporation, is it not? Mr. LocKWOoD. That appears to be the record on that list. Senator Reed. It is signed " The Fairbanks Co." by some Fair- banks, vice president, $250. What is the Fairbanks Co. ? Mr. LocKWooD. I confess I do not know. I presume that is Mr. Newton Fairbanks, who is a brother of the former vice president. Senator Reed. Perhaps you can get the initial better than I can. Mr. Lockwood. I think that is N. H. Fairbanks. Senator Reed. What is their business ? Mr. Lockwood. I do not know what it is. Mr. Fairbanks has various interests there. Senator Reed. You got $250 from this corporation, and you got a list of names to send the paper to, and they were employees of that corporation, were they not? Mr. Lockwood. I presume so. I am not familiar with that par- ticular case. Senator Reed. Do you know whether those employees getting this paper know it is being paid for by the corporation? Mr. Lockwood. I do not know whether they do or not. They know some one has paid for the paper. Senator Reed. Let this be put in the record as Lockwood Exhibit No. 1. Lockwood Exhibit No. 1. [The National Republioan, 425 Tenth Street, Washington, D. C] We, the undersigned, hereby agree to purchase the number of subscriptions to the National Republican set opposite our names, for circulation in this local- ity, to spread the gospel of sound government and to counteract the havoc wrought to industrial peace as well as American patriotism by the propaganda of the socialists and anarchists and those forces in general which threaten to undermine the Republic. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2563 The Fairbanks Co., by N. H. Fairbanks, vice president $250 Edward A. Tehan 75 The Ansted & Biirk Co 50 Senator Eeed. I hand you another paper and ask if you recognize that as one of j^our subscription blanks ? Mr. LocKwooD. I recognize that by the caption. These lists are those that are held by field men and are not a part of our record here at the office. Senator Eeed. But they would be turned into the office, would they not? Mr. LocKAvooD. No, sir. Senator Reed. The subscription would be turned in ? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. Senator Eeed. You have those subscriptions on your books, have . you not? Mr. LocKAvooD. Yes, sir. Senator Eeed. B. G. Davis, by H. M. Myers, Ohio Cities Gas Co. Is that the subscription of the gas company ? Mr. LocKwooD. It is whateA^er is stated there. The Chairman. Is that the one Procter is interested in ? Mr. LocKAvooD. Yes ; I think so. Senator Eeed. Is he? Mr. LocKAvooD. I haA^e heard so. I do not know. Thaf was just an aside to Senator Kenyon. Senator Eeed. Let us keep down to facts. You know there is noth- ing in the world quite so dangerous as chasing rumors, unless it is seeing visions. Mr. LocKAvooD. That was not intended as testimony. It was just a side remark to Senator Kenyon. Senator Eeed. I know that it was. Let this be placed in the record as LockAvood Exhibit No. 2. LocKwooD Exhibit No. 2. (The printed portion of Lockwood Exhibit No. 2 is the same as that of Lock- wood Exliibit No, 1 ; the signatures are as follows : ) B. G. Davis, by H. M. Myers, Ohio Cities Gas Co., 250 $250 Senator Eeed. Now look at this paper which I hand you. That is another one of the subscription blanks, is it not ? Mr. LocKAvooD. That is a printed blank of ours ; yes, sir. Senator Eeed. You recognize those names as among your con- tributors ? Mr. Lockwood. I have no doubt they are — not contributors; pur- chasers. There is a distinction. Senator Eeed. Dayton Manufacturing Co., by its secretary and various others. All of these companies are corporations ? Mr. LocKAvooD. I judge so. Senator Eeed. Let that be marked " Lockwood Exhibit No. 3 " and inserted in the record. 2564 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Lock WOOD Exhibit No. 3. (The printed portion of Lockwood Exhibit No. 3 is the .same as that of Lock- wood Exhibit No, 1 ; the signatures are as follows : ) The Dayton Manufacturing Co., Dayton, Ohio, by H. D. Hendricks, secretary $150 Paid. Tlie Dayton Malleable Iron Co., by John C. Haswell, president 100 Paid. The Davis Sewing Machine (Jo., F. T. Hoffman, president 200 Paid. The National Cash Register Co., J, H. Barringer, tirst vice presi- dent, per W. C. P 200 Paid. Tile Dayton-Wright Airplane 250 Paid. The Gi-eer & Greer Co., Joseph W. Greer 50 Paid. John F. Hhmer, Uhmer Fare Register Co 50 Paid. Seybold Machine Co., Chas. Seybold 50 Paid. Senator Reed. I now hand you another paper. Do you recognize that as another one of your subscription blanks? Mr. Lockwood. That is another one ; yes, sir. Senator Reed. Here is another paper; three more, in fact. These are all your subscription blanks ? Mr. Lockwood. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Let those be marked " Lockwood Exhibits 4, 5, and 6," and placed in the record. Lockwood Exhibits Nos. 4, 5, and 6. (The printed portion of Locl^wood Exhibits Nos. 4, 5, and 6 is the same as tliat of Lockwood Exhibit No. 1 ; the signatures are as follows : ) [Exhibit 4.] The American Rolling Mill Co., George Menly, president, 250 subscriptions- $250 The Gardner & Harvey Co., per E. T. Gardner, president, 50 subscriptions— 50 [Exliibit5.] Edward L. Buchwalter, 805 East High Street, Springfield, Ohio 100 [Exhibit 6.] The Dayton Manufacturing Co., .1. Kirby, jr., president, 150 subscriptions- 225 The American Rolling Mill Co., George Menty, president 250 Senator Reed. You were really making quite an effort to get the money from corporations, were you not? Mr. Lockwood. Not specially ; no, sir. ' Senator Reed.- As a matter of fact haven't you been making what we call a drive to get money from corporations and seeking to induce those corporations fo make these subscriptions to send to their em- ployees ? Mr. Lockwood. They have been making sales of subscriptions to certain business concerns in that way. Senator Reed. Do you recognize that [indicating] as your sig- nature ? • , . Mr. Lockwood. That is a multigraph letter with a facsimile sig- nature. Senator Reed. It is a facsimile of your signature ? Mr. Lockwood. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Your multigraphed them because you were using quite a number ? Mr. Lockwood. Yes, sir. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2565 Senator Eeed. You gave these to .your agents, did you ? Mr. LocKwooD. No, sir; those were sent out from the office. I recognize the circular. Senator Eeed. Of course, if you sent it out the statements con- tained in it are true, I suppose? Mr. LocKWOOD. Yes, sir; they undoubtedly are. Let me see it. Senator. [After examination.] Yes, sir ; that is one of our circulars. Senator Reed. It is on the letterhead of "The National Repub- lican." Let that be inserted in the record as Lockwood Exhibit •No. 7. Lockwood Exhibit No. 7. [The National Republican. The National Republican Weekly, George B. Lockwood, editor, 425 Tenth Street NW., Washington D. C] We are sending these to all persons whose names are sent in from now on in industrial clubs. We have a legal opinion from a corporation tax expert, Which we will send you, that subscriptions to the paper may be charged to expense by companies. Dear Sir: At the instance of the Republican organization we are sending you our paper, the National Republican. The subscription is paid for for one year, and at the end of that time your name will be taken from our list unless you have in the meantime ordered us to continue it longer. In other words, no financial obligation on your part is or will be entailed. The paper represents the desire to have you read the Republican side of public questions. It does not represent an attempt to influence your opinion in any way, but to let you know the facts and arguments in behalf of Republicanism, which you will be able to weigh and judge for yourself. We believe you will find the paper of interest independent of the political phase of it. We print each week a summary of the proceedings and debates of Congress, and a review of the work of the Government at Washington, of events in this country and abroad having a bearing upon politics and public affairs. We also print some miscellaneous matters of general interest, with cartoons and illustrations. In case of any change or error in your address please advise us, and the paper will be sent to you at the new address. If you like the paper we will be glad to have you call the attention of your friends to it. Very truly, yours, George B. Lockwood. Senator Reed. Evidently that letter, multigraphed, was written to be sent to the various people to whom you sent this paper when it had been paid for by others. That is true, is it not ? Mr. Lockwood. Yes. Senator Reed. And you said to each of these people in this letter, "At the expense of the Republican organization, we are sending you our paper, the National Republican." That was a true statement, was it ? Mr. Lockwood. A letter of that kind Avas used in connection with the names sent in by Republican organizations, etc., and it may have been used in connection with other forms or other sorts of cir- culation subscribed by other people. Senator Reed. But as a matter of fact this is the kind of letter that you sent out ? Mr. Lockwood. In a general way that is the sort of letter we sent to persons whose names were added. Senator Reed. So that you told these people to whom the paper was sent Mr. Lockwood (interrupting). That it was a Republican party. 2566 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed (continuing). That it was being sent at the expense of the Republican organization? Mr. LocKWOOD. We sent out many such letters as that. Senator Reed. That is true ; it was being sent at the expense of the Republican organization, was it? Mr. LocKwooD. In some cases it was, directly or indirectly. Senator Reed. Did you send this out in cases where the statement was at fault? You would not do that? Mr. LocKwooD. That is a circular letter, which went out quite generally, and it may have been used in cases where it was not directly the Republican organization. Senator Reed. So that a man, for instance, who worked over here for the John Smith Manufacturing Co., and who got this paper from you and read this letter, would not understand that the John Smith Manufacturing Co. had paid for it, but he would understand that it was being sent to him at the instance of the Republican or- ganization ? Mr. LocKwooD. If he received that letter he would so understand; yes, sir. Senator Reed. And, of course, you would not send a letter of that kind out unless you had consulted with and had an understanding with the national committee that had been supporting you that you were authorized to make that statement? Mr. LocKWOOD. That letter had nothing to do with the national com- mittee. Senator Reed. Not at all ? Mr. LocKwooD. No, sir. Senator Reed. Then, what Republican organization did it have to do with that enabled you to send it out generally to your subscribers? Mr. LocKWooD, That letter was one that was used in many in- stances in connection with subscriptions which were sent out by Republican organizations and by Republican individuals. Senator Reed. And you also said it was generally used ? Mr. LocKWooD. Quite generally. It was a circular we had in stock to send out for circulation of that class where it was free circulation. Senator Reed. Let me see of we can not make that a little more definite. The first statement in this letter, above the letter itself, is that — We are sefiding these to all persons whose names are sent in from now on in industrial clubs. Mr. LocKWOOD. Yes ; I think we did, probably, as I say. Senator Reed. It says further that — We have a legal opinion from a corporation-tax expert that we will send you that subscriptions to the paper may be charged to expense by companies. Does not that set at rest the proposition that this letter was gen- eral and that you sent it out to those Mr. Lock WOOD. I have stated it was general. Senator Reed. And to those you called industrial clubs? Mr. Lock WOOD. All classses -are free circulation, or some letters similar to that. We had many changes in the form of the letter. Senator Reed. Then is it or not the truth that these papers were sent at the instance of the Republican organization ? |j PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2567 Mr. LocKwooD. In some cases that was an accurate strictly tech- ' meal statement. It was not strictly technical in others, probablv, an exact statement of the fact. The effort and the intention was"' that nobody should get his paper under any misunderstanding. He should : understand it was a party or political publication. I Senator Keed. You have never gotten any information, I suppose, I from any one, Mr. Loclnvood, that the Republican national commit- jtee knew anything about this ? Mr. LocKwooD. As a matter of fact, the Republican national com- mittee has very little knowledge of our business outside of their Senator Reed (interposing). Let us see if you ever got that letter ] (handing witness a letter). Mr. LocKwooD. Oh, yes; certainly. That is Mr. Fairbanks, whose name you read a Avhile ago. Senator Reed. What is his connection Avith the Republican national committee ? Mr. LocKwooD. None whatever. Senator Reed. He is an actiA^e Republican ? Mr. LocKAvooD. Yes, sir. Seiiator Reed. Let us see what light we can get. This is on the jFairbanks Co. letterhead, and reads as follows : [The Fairbanks Co., grey iron founders, manufacturers of piano plates.] rr n T. T Springfield, Ohio, February 5, 1919. . Hon. George B. Lockwood, National Republican, Washington, D. C. Ly.!^"" ^^^^ f""- LOCKWOOD : Since returning from Chicago I have been pressing jthe matter ot enlarging the circulation of the National Republican in this State f^A so snice that time we have effected the organization of a Stat« Republican ladvisory committee, which will have charge of propaganda and Republican jactivities between now and the campaign of 1920. ,1 We had our first meeting of this committee yesterday, and I again urged that dehnite action be taken with respect to the National Republican for thfs State with the result that such action will be formulated as speedily as possible and Ij^Jog^arln Ohio important factor of';)ur prepar^ness I betp aglin fofi'Siom''^" ^'^"^ ^^'^^'^ ^'"'^^^'^^^y' ^^'^^^ the matter will I ^'"'^^^ 8i^^^ J»e the definite proposition from your standpoint, lor this S ate, including in the State circulation an Ohio page, WrdingTiich ' I have written you heretofore, and the best rate you can affoi'd tS grant us ?n committe^^^ '''''^ '^^^'''^'^ proposition to present to that meeting of tie i.il'V'^''^^^ ^IV"^ '''^ ^'''}^ promptly provide you with circulation for the county n . ^-omiHit ee men throughout the State. These number about 5,8oTand you 1 110 doubt already have a number of these on your list, so our first effort would ; .nc ude the membership not already receivin/the paper ' J^l"^'^ ^'IT^ Riddick was here. I had promised to write him on this subiect lf^ZZT' '%'^ not rounded up into a probable certainty as to what wfwould be able to do before the meeting of yesterday, and there was very little about ^^Ztl'^lTou^^^^ "^^'^^ ^^^^ '''''' ^^^^ ^-^11 answer the Kindly remember me to Carl, and with best wishes I beg to remain Cordially, yours, ' V N. H. Fairbanks. Senator Eeed. What did you understand Mr. Fairbanks to refer :o when he says. Since returning from Chicago " ? Was there not pver there a national committee meeting? 182774— 20— PT 19 5 2568 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. LocKAvooD. I do not knoAv. What is the date of that letter? Senator Reed. February 5. Mr. LocKwooD. What year? Senator Reed. February 5, 1919. Mr. LocKwooD. There was a meeting of the national committee in Chicago in January^ I think, of that year, and I think I saw Mr. Fairbanks at Chicago at that meeting. He is writing as State chair- man now. Senator Reed. Do you know a Mr. Carl Riddick? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. What is his connection with your paper? Mr. LocKWOoD. At present he has none. Senator Reed. What connection did he have? Mr. LocKWOOD. He assisted us in the circulation. Senator Reed. He was one of your authorized agents ? Mr. Ix)CKw^ooD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Do you know his signature?, Mr. LocKWOOD. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Is that it [indicating] ? Mr. LocKw^ooD. That is it. Senator Reed. I will read that letter to the committee r House of Representatives, WashvMjton, D. C, June 16, 1919.. William H. Hill, Esq., Buffalo, N. Y. My Dear Fellow Republican : You want a Republican President and Re- publican Coniii'ess elected at the next election, and the consequent good that will come to the country. You indorse the efforts of Republican National Chairman Will H. Hays and of Congressman S. D. Fess. chairman of the Republican congressional committee in making a nation-wide educational campaign at this time for better Ameri- canism, for closer organization of Republicanism, and against socialism and the increasing drift toward lawlessness, evidences of which are becoming more and more apparent. A nation-wide, systematic, educational campaign is being made right now with authority of these and other leaders of the party. Acting for these leaders of our party organization, I am asked to request a small subscription from you to be used to help make this campaign a great success. The special effort is to increase the circulation of the National Republican Weekly over the- million mark. The National Republican is not a commercial newspaper. It is published by Republicans for the good of the country and the party. It is Republican Party literature in its best and most effective form. It carries no advertising. It sells for $1 a year which will pay costs with large quantity production. The inclosed slip tells more about it. All I ask of you is a $5 or $10 check, but we want and need and hoi)e for this, knowing your interest in the effort being made, and your conlidence in and desire to cooperate with the official heads of our party organization. I have sent you a sample copy of this national party paper. Please give us your indorsement in the way of your check by early return mail, and know that it will be appreciated and will be used wisely in a worthy cause. Cordially, yours, Carl W. Riddick. Senator Reed. With that before you, Mr. Lockwood, do you sa}^ that Mr. Hays and the managers of the Republican campaign were not advised of your efforts to raise money in order to increase your •circulation ? Mr. Lockwood. Yes: they certainly knew. Senator, that we were doing all we could to increase the circulation of the paper. The}^ ^vere PRESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2569 in tlioroiigh sympathy with our efforts to do that. There is no denial of that proposition. Senator Reed. I will ask you whether or not you kept secret from them this elfort in which they were interested, if they knew of this purpose to collect large sums of money from corporations, and I mean by large sums. $*200. $*250, etc.? Mr. LocKwooD. They were never either advised nor was any effort made to conceal from them any secret of our business. Senator Reed. Mr. Riddick kneAv, did he not ? Mr. LocKwooD. He undoubtedly knew of the plans of the organi- zation, concerning which there is no concealment and no possible concealment. Our records are public records, open to the Post Office Department at any minute, and it is ludicrous to suppose that we would conceal what we were doing or attempt to do from anybod3^ Senator Reed. Then, if you did not conceal it, did Mr. Hays and the national committee know you were attempting to get money from: corporations to carr}^ on this political propaganda ? Mr. LocKwooD. I do not know whether they know it or not. I had no objection to their knowin^r it. There has been nothing we had to apologize for in connection with it or that we should be ashamed of. Senator Reed. I am not asking you to apologize for anything. I am not casting any aspersions on you at all. I am just trying to get at some facts. Mr. LocKwooD. All right. Senator. Senator Reed (handing a paper to the Avitness). Well, do 3^011 recognize the signature of Mr. Hays to that document ? Mr. LocKWooD. That is another multigraph letter. It was issued by us. Senator Reed. But that is his signature? ^Ir. LocKwooD. Undoubtedly it is, sir. Senator Reed. That is a photographic copy, or whatever you calT it, of Mr. Hays's signature, and you had the original, or you would not have used this ? ^Ir. LocKwooD. Oh, certainly : we had the original letter. Senator Reed (reading) : [Republican national committee, Will II. Hays, chairman, Woodward Building. Washing- ton, D. C] To RepuhUcaus: I am familiar with the good which has been done, and that which it is pro- jMised to accomplish by means of the circnlation of the National Republican. I am advised that funds are being raised now with which to increase the circula- tion of the publication throughout the Nation that the party may be strengthened' every v.here. It is to l>e used first in the localities where the opposition is strongest, and Republican vutes are most necessary — later, if possible, increasing- its circulation to make it nation-wide, that a vigorous tight may be continuouslr waged against evils developing which can b? prevented by the application of the principles advocated by the party. With a strong aggressive party paper, pleaching the party principles for i)atriotism and prosperity, and harmony and united action within the party, editetl fearlessly and ably as this one is, im- mea.surable good can be acc-inplished for the party and for the country. Your support in this effort financially and otherwise is urged, to the end that we n;ay all help, as far as vv-e are able, to make certain the practice- of our .*eration of every Republican is requested and expected, to make this campaign a success, not alone for the good of the party, but for the welfare of the country. More than 200 socialistic publi:ations are spreading socialism and un-Ameri- can propaganda that must not go unchallenged. 2574 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Sni«arting under the Republican successes in the recent congressional elec- tions, Democrats are right now sending out more literature of a s'ocialistic and near-socialistic and partisan nature than ever before. The heads of our Republican organization propose to efficiently meet thisr situation {ind do the necessary groundwork for success in the next campaign, and you are asked as a party duty, as well as a duty to your country, to give your personal cooperation and aid in the carrying out of this timely and patriotic program. It has been decided that the most effective and practical way to offset the effect of this propaganda is to spread broadcast over the country the gospel of sound Americanism and patriotic republicanism. This our party leaders believe can be done through a tremendously increased circulation of the National Republican, the Republican national weekly, pub- lished at Washington. This National Republican weekly is in no sense a com- mercial publication. It is published by Republicans, not for money gain, but for the good of the party and the Nation. It now circulates in 90 per cent of all c;. chairman of the Republican congressional conmiittee, have asked me, as a special pai'ty service, to take charge of this nation-wide drive. The cooperation of every Republican is requested and expected to make this campaign a success, not alone for the good of the party but for the welfare of the country. More than 200 socialistic publications are spreading socialism and un-Amer- ican propaganda that must not go unchallenged. Smarting under the Republican successes in the recent congressional elections. Democrats are right now sending out more literature of a socialistic and near- socialistic and partisan nature than ever before. The heads of our Republican organization propose to efficiently meet this situati(»n and do the n.ecessary groundwork for success in the next campaign, and you are asked as a party duty, as well as a duty to your country, to give your personal cooperation and aid in the carrying out of this timely and patri- otic program. "2578 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. It Ims been decided tliat the most effective and practical way to offset tlie effect of this propaganda is to spread broadcast over the country the gospel of sound Americanism and patriotic Republicanism. This our party leaders believe can be done through a tremendously increased cii'cuhition of the National Uepublican, the Ivepublican national weekly, pub- lished at Washingtcm. This National Republican vreekly is in no sense a com- mercial publication. It is published by Republicans, not for money gain but for the good of the party and the Nation. It now circulates in 90 per cent of all counties in the United States; it refuses all advertising, using all of its space for Republicanism, and sells for $1 a year, which scarcely pays the cost, even in large quantities. This Republican national publication is the mouthpiece of the party. It con- tains every week the utterances of party leaders, and contains much of interest and real value to Republicans found in no other publication. No Republican who expects to keep posted as to party affairs can do without it. By experience it is learned that wherever it circulates, there Republicanism increases. It supplements the work of the local Republican newspapers, and encourages their increased circulation. Kindly i ead the letters from our party heads on another page of this folder, and then give our Republican leaders your generous cooperation and help make- this drive for a million a splendid success by sending to-day your dollar for your subscription, or for your renewal, and other dollars for subscriptions to be used by the national and congressional committees. Every person who subscribes $1 or more will receive the National Republican for one year, and other patriotic and Republican literature sent out under the direction of the national and congressi(mal committees, and will at the same time lielp in the further distribution of this literature. Those who subscribe $5 or $10 may indicate 5 or 10 names to whom they desire the Njitional Republican and other literature sent, if they desire ; otherwise all funds will be used under the direction of the national and congressional com- mittees. All remittances may be made direct to the National Republican, 425 Tenth Street NW., Washington, D. C, or to House of Representatives, Washington,, D. C. Carl W. Riddick, M. C, Manager of National RepvMican Drive for a Million. And on the back of it: One million. A Republican drive. Authorized by the Republican national committee, Will H. Hays, chairman ; the Republican congressional committee, Congressman S. D. Fess, chairman. On one side of the matter I have just read is this : National Republican Congressional Committee. Riggs Building, Washington, D. C. Neither the Republican national committee nor the Republican congressional committee has any financial interest in the National Republican, but both com- mittees are convinced from the correspondence reaching our offices that the publication is accomplishing a vast amount of good in the promulgation of sound political doctrine. Upon approval of the committees our indorsement has been permitted to be carried by Mr. Riddick, who has no financial interest whatever, but who is work- ing in the interest of the party and is therefore doing what I regard a good service. Yours, very truly, S. D. Fess, Chairman Repuhlican Congressional Committee. On the other side is this : Republican National Committee. Washington. D. C. I am familiar with the good which has been done and that Avhich it is pro- posed to accomplish by means of the circulation of the National Republican. I am advised that funds are being raised now with which to inereiise the circula- tion of the publication throughout the Nation, that the party may be strengthened evervwhere. With a strong aggressive party paper, preaching tlie i)ai-ty princi- PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2579 pies for patriotism and prosperity, and harmony and nnited action witliin the party. editelitical purposes, seeking thereby to entrench itself for the future. Never Itefore has there been so much use of the machinery of the Government tor jiartisan purposes: never before so mufb partisan activity on tbe part of tbe Democratic nationa- committee, which is already tu-ganized and sending out unlimited quantities of literature: never before has there been such a vast and systematized propaganda for the purpose of aiding the Democratic cause; .Mid all this accompanied by the unreasonable and unpatriotic demand that Republicans must lie dormant in the future, that we must not begin partisan 2582 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. activity, and tliat we must refrain from all efforts to control Congress or else rest under the charge of being unpatriotic and opposed to the war. Never before has it been so important that all the truth be plainly put before the public, and never have our opportunities for doing this been so limited as they are to-day. We have a loyal and effective local press, but no publication that reaches the country as a whole. To meet this crying need we have succeeded in convincing that brilliant and versatile editor and writer, George B. Lockwood, to move his paper, the National Republican, to Washington, where he can be in daily touch with the whole po itical situation and where he will be far more advantageously situated to arrive at the real truth than at the present time. The object is to improve and enlarge his paper and to make it in a sense the national organ of the Republican Party. To this end a building has been leased and machinery is being installed, and this publication is to be established upon a basis that will insure its future usefulness and success, and through its columns the thought and opinion of the Republican Party of the whole country may be standardized and rendered more effective. With this in view, a drive has already begun to increase its circulation to two or three million copies a week, thus causing it to reach Republicans every- where throughout the land, and so bringing them into a closer political rela- tionship. The tirst publication will be issued next month, and from that time on it will spread the gospel of real Republicanism throughtout the entire Repub'ic. I assure you that I have no other interest in this publication than a political one, but, seeing as I do the tremendous importance of such a paper at this most critical time, I am interesting myself to the extent of asking a large number of my personal and political friends in and out of Indiana to at once send in their personal subscriptions to this paper. A similar appeal will be made by many other Members of Congress with a view to starting the paper off with a big initial individual circulation. I will greatly appreciate it if you will become a charter member of this list of subscribers and thus aid this latest movement for future Republican success by sending a dollar bill at the risk of the National Republican for one year's subscriiition in the inclosed envelope. I will turn it over to Mr. Lockwood, a receipt will be sent you for the amount, and you will receive this genuine Republican organ. This publication will do all in its power to increase the circulation and extend the sphere of influence of the local Republican press, which has always been loyal to the cause, and thus materially aid in a general and effective Republican propaganda. Very truly yours, James A. Watscn. Senator 1\eed. Now, Mr, Lockwood, you vontured the statement that you Avould bring in the other correspondence ? Mr. Lockwood. Yes, sir; and, Senator, would you like to have a statement of our receipts from circulation? That might shoAv some- thing of the magnitude of what we are doing from the beginning. I would like to give it. Senator Reed. Certainly. I wanted to get it in the other form, but if vou have a condensed statement we Avill let you put it in. Mr. Lockwood. Our receipts in 1918 were $88,659.74 : in 1917. $182,- 907.48; from January 1 to July 1, 1920, $113,201.67, all from circula- tion, which is our only source of revenue. Senator Edge. Remuneration or pay of any kind for editorials or reading matter published? Mr. Lockwood. We carry no advertising or paid matter. Senator Edge. Are you familiar with this section of the postal laws [reading] : Sec. 448. * * * 2. All editorial or other reading matter publish.ed in any such newspaper, magazine, or periodical for the publication of which money or other valuable consideration is paid, accepted, or promised shall be plainly marked "Advertisement." PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGJnT EXPENSES. 2583 Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. Senator Edge (reading) : Any editor or publisher printing editorial or other reading matter for which <2ompensation is paid, accepted, or promised without so marking the same, shall, upon conviction in any court having jurisdiction, be fined not less than $50 nor more than $500. You are familiar with that? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. You can, in no way, shape, form, or manner, have violated that section? Mr. LocKWOOD. No, sir ; we have never carried a line of advertis- ing and never had a cent of subsidy or any other remuneration of any kind except for the sale of papers. The Chairman. Just how does this differ from the circulation of the Creel book? Mr. LocKwooD. This is paid for by Republicans and the other is paid for by the taxpa3^ers; I mean the Creel literature sent out from here. The Chairman. I am referring now to The War, the World, and Wilson. Have you seen that book? Mr. LocKwooD. No, sir ; I have not seen that ; I have heard of it. The Chairman. That is sent out " My Dear Coworker." Mr. LocKWOOD. Senator, we use every legitimate means to get cir- culation. Riddick is a good salesman, and naturally in his literature he attempted to give the paper as much the color of party backing as he could. ^ The Chairman. I notice in the Harrison letter with reference to i Creel's book [reading] : ' Arrangements have l)een made by Mr, Creel, however, by which private par- ties will purchase the book in quantity, and send it postpaid at less than the retail price. We urge you, as a Democrat and American, and particularly as one who will speak during the campaign, to fil! out the inclosed card, etc. So that that seems to be the same process, different bodies buying the book and sending it out. So both parties seem to be doing that. You have had a pretty hard struggle Avith your paper up to the time you moved down to Washington? Mr. LocKwooD. We published it as an adjunct to my daily paper at Muncie, and we Avere able to print it because we had no separate overhead for the publication. The Chairman. And since that time you have tried to extend the circulation of the paper? Mr. LocKwooD. That has been our hope. The Chairman. In every way yon could. Mr. LocKAVooD. Our only regret is that we never got that circula- tion up to the million the Senator read about. , The Chairman. You have been sending out the best discussions you could on the League of Nations and other subjects? Mr. LoCKWooD. On every subject. I might say there has been a great deal of emphasis placed on the " party paper," to which I do not object. But in a broader sense Ave are trying to do something more than that. That may sound like a mere assertion, but Ave are \j really trying to carry on the propaganda of education. We haA^e been trying to rebuff the socialist agitation AAdiich some 400 or 500 182774— 20— PT 19 6 2584 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. newspapers are spreading throughout the country, and the funda- mental basis of appeal to those who have purchased this paper, among them many employers, for distribution among their em- ployees, has been that we are endeavoring to offset the sort of propa- ganda which creates the feeling that every employer is naturally a scoundrel — a man Avho wants to wait until Mr. Harding is elected and then stick bayonets in the wage earner; and we have been try- ing to promulgate literature that is antogonistic to socialism, radi- calism, and bolshevism, and our effort has appealed to business men very generally. i Our paper has a broader purpose than a mere campaign publica-l tion. It is an all-the-year-around paper, runs in between campaigns, and there is another appeal which the paper has besides the mere appeal of party. The Chaikman. But you are doing everything you can to elect the Republican ticket ? • I Mr. LocKwooD. That is, of course, true. I The Chairman. And you are picking out the best speeches you I can find from Members of Congress and circulating those in the! paper ? I Mr. LocKWOoD. Yes, sir. I Senator Edge. Irrespective of party ? * Mr. LocKwooD. Irrespective of party. I find here The Chairman (interposing). I notice that on October 25 you have a speech of Senator Reed's on the front page. [Laughter.] Mr. LocKWooD. It is a good speech. The Chairman. You feature that as good literature? Mr. LocKWooD. Yes, sir; and we have here on the first page the Oath of citizenship," by Grover Cleveland. Senator Edge, You are putting that in as a kind of offset Mr. LocKWooD. That paper was accidentally picked up by me- The Chairman (interposing). Placing the speech in the paper was not an accident? Mr. LocKwooD. Not at all ; it is a good speech. The Chairman. Then, I notice you have some things in from Senator Underwood ? Mr. LocKWooD. We very frequentl}^ quote Democratic Members of Congress. We publish a rather comprehensive review of the debates and proceedings of Congress, and we publish extracts from speeches, public and private, by men in public life, both Republicans and Democrats. Of course, I will confess that the preponderance is on the Republican side. The Chairman. But this was the best speech you could find on the League of Nations ? Mr. LocKWOOD. That is a very good one. Senator Edge. This goes to 120,000 industrial employees? Mr. Lociovood. It goes to 40,000, possibly. The Chairman. I noticed something in an editorial of yours a fcAV days ago that I would like to ask you about. It seems rather a severe criticism on this committee. The committee is quite sensitive to criticism. Mr. LocKwooD. I do not think it Avas a criticism of the committee. The Chairm'an. It did not hurt my feelings any. Mr. LocKWOOD. I called attention PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2585 The Chairman (interposing). You called attention to the com- mittee investigating matters entirel}^ in the North and paying no attention to matters in the South. Mr. LocKWOOD. Yes, sir; I think there was such an article in our paper. It was not a criticism of the committee ; it was merely calling attention to a fruitful field of investigation. The Chairman. And 3'OU called attention to an interview of Sena- tor Underwood in the Birmingham Age-Herald against the com- mittee making any investigations of primaries in the South. Mr. LocKwooD. That is the statement that some $250,000 had been spent in the primaries against him, and that it would not do to let the committee investigate it, because it would constitute a bad prece- dent in the matter of southern primaries and elections. The Chairman. And that they should not permit the instigating of a Federal inquiry into a primary election. Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What did you mean when you said that the com- mittee was remiss in its duties in those southern matters ? Mr. LocKWooD. I do not find any such suggestion, Senator. The Chairman. What do you have in mind the committee should do as to those southern elections ? Mr. LocKWooD. I saw no reason why if Michigan has proper sub- jects to be investigated that Alabama should not be entitled to con- sideration in the matter of probing an election, when it is alleged by a United States Senator through the newspapers that such an enormous amount of money has been corruptly spent in his State. The Chairman. Senator Underwood in this statement alleges that $250,000 has been spent against him by one side in Alabama ? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. The Chair:man. You suggested that the committee should in- vestigate that? Mr. LocK^^'OOD. I thought that that sliould have consideration along with other southern conditions. The Chairman. I think your suggestion is a good one. I am very much in favor of investigating that. Senator Reed. I vote aye. The Chairman. We will go to Alabama just as soon as Ave can get time. Mr. LocKAvooD. There is no intention to criticize. I simply offer it to this committee as a general proposition. For some reason or another, conditions in the Southern States — in many southern States — are such that there is not even a free government, and apparently those conditions have escaped the atten- tion of Congress and the public. There are conditions in which per- haps 2 or 3 per cent of the people do not even participate in the elec- tions ; and in the State of Virginia, where there are 150,000 eligible voters who control the election, in Avhich tAVO and one-quarter million should participate, until fiA^e-sixths of those drafted in the World War AA^ere disfranchised, and a condition of that kind constitutes a black mark on the democracy. The Chairman. How disfranchised? Mr. LocKAvooi). By a series of legal devices in the manipulation of registration, entirely in the control and domination of one political party. 2586 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. You think the ills and evils are not all in the Republican Party? Mr. Lock WOOD. I think not. The Chairman. Take the State of Georgia. Do you have that in mind ? Mr. LocKwooD.. Yes, sir. I spoke of that, I think, where the Fed- eral administration Avent into the State of Georgia and defeated one of the ablest members on the Democratic side, Mr. Hardwick, merely because he would not subordinate himself entirely to the administra- tion. Whole Federal forces were turned loose in that State, and Mr. HardAvick Avas defeated for nomination. It seems to me far more sinister and far more corrupting than the private efforts of citizens to get facts before the people in a printed page in a frank and open manner is the use of the vast machinery of the GoA'ernment for the jDurpose of intimidating, coercing, and dominating elections and primaries in this country. The Chairman. What " leads " can you give us on the Hardwick matter ? Mr. LocKAVooD. I think Senator HardAvick could giA^e a great deal of information. The Chairman. That Federal employees were used against Sena- tor HardAvick? Mr. LocKAvooD. That Federal employees Avere used with A^ery great activity against Senator Hardwick. The Chairman. Was that only in Georgia? Mr. LocKAvooD. I think that prevails in every Statp. I think it prevails in Oklahoma. I think Senator Gore Avas defeated by the Federal machine in Oklahoma. His party ncAvspapers in Oklahoma Avould not even carry adA^ertisements Avhen he offered to pay for them. The Chairman. Have you made an investigation of that ? Mr. LocKAVooD, I haA-e received numerous letters from Oklahoma. We have an immense correspondence from all OA^er the country. The Chairman. Will you giA^e those letters to the committee? Mr. LocKAA^ooD. I Avill be glad to look into that matter and giA^e you the letters. I had one only a day or tAvo ago pointing out that Senator (xore Avas refused the opportunity to pay for advertising in the neAvspapers of Oklahoma in his campaign. The Chairman. Did you find out anything about Federal officials Avorking against Senator Gore? Mr. LocKAVooD. The information is that they Avere actiA^e all oA^r the State, and that he Avas defeated only by that method. The Chairman. HaA^e you got any information as to the right of free speech being denied Senator Gore's friends ? Mr. LocKAvooD. I do not knoAV about Senator Gore, but I do knoAV that in the State of Oklahoma there occurred a typical instance. During the Avar there Avas circulated in Tulsa, Okla., a petition call- ing for the internment of Col. Roosevelt, Avhich aa'c published on the first page of our ncAvspaper. We suggested that he Avould be interred before he Avas interned. We published a very scathing denunciation on the first page of our paper of that, and the paper Avas suppressed in the city of Hugo and the agent threatened Avith indictment for circulating a denunciation of the Democratic administration. PRESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2587 The man was prohibited from soliciting subscriptions in the city of Hugo, and he in great terror desisted and wrote me that he Avas in danger of incarceration. Senator Reed. There were some acts of that kind in every State of the Union, practically. Mr. LocKwooD. I do not know of any directed against a newspaper, Senator, for no greater provocation than that. Senator Eeed. I have known of similar instances in the State of Iowa, as good a State as there is anywhere, where a body of patriots went out to a farmer's granary, who had not sold his wheat just when they thought he ought to. hauled it to town and charged the expense up to him. and turned over the balance of the money. The Chairman. That was up near the Missouri line. Senator Reed. Up near Cedar Rapids. What Mr. Lockwood said about the elections interests me very much. Now, do you know of moneys — that is the scope of this inquiry — being used in Oklahoma to control the last election ? Mr. Lockwood. I have not heard. Senator, anything as to the use of money in either Georgia or Oklahoma. The Chairman. I do not think our inquiry is confined to money, but it includes the use of any influence. The resolution was made to cover the action of Federal officials or any influences brought to bear upon elections or primaries. But from what you have heard as to Oklahoma, you think that would be a fair field for investigations i Mr. Lockwood. I certainly think it would. The Chairman. We would like to have you present those letters to the committee, not to be inserted in the record, but the committee would like to have them. Senator Edge. In summin? up, Mr. Lockwood, you are in the recognized business of selling newspapers ? Mr. Lockwood. We are in business to sell newspapers; that is our occupation. Senator Edge. And you are positive that you have not directly or indirectly violated the law in the carrying out of your business? Mr. Lockwood. I certainly am. I certainly would not do a thing of this kind if I thought I was violating any law or ethical con- sideration. There was testimony here yesterday by the representative of the most powerful corporation in America, vastly more influential than all the corporations and big businesses which have been so much discussed. The C HAiRMAX. AVho was that ? Mr. Lockwood. The head of the various Scripps publications. He testified that not only did they have this vast agency of publicity, but that this corporation out of money that came from the treasury of this corporation had engaged in certain political activities, in pay- ing for the necessary paper, cost of setting up. for mats, for the post- age used in distribution, whatever that cost might be. and it seems • to me if there is any corporation of that magnitude using its money ; for the purpose of getting out socialism, radicalism, and bolshevism propaganda, the whole pa])er being controlled by Socialists, the most 1 of which is intended to educate the people in socialism and to teach - the people radicalism, that their employer is naturally inimical to 2588 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. their interests, and that he is seekinjy to dominate them and to take away from them their fair share of the product of industry, it occurs to me it is entirely proper for those employers, if necessarj^, to use whatever means of the corporation are available for subscriptions to a newspaper Avhich seeks to educate their own employees in patriot- ism and in opposition to socialism, and in other thm^js those em- ployers believe Avill make their employees better citizens and perhaps better employees. Senator Edge. In other w^ords, you do not consider a newspaper corporation as immune? Mr. Lock WOOD. Not at all. Would this committee like any fur- ther leads on the matter of corporation contributions to canipaign funds ? The Chairman. Yes, sir; we are looking for all the leads we can find. Senator Edge. One gentleman spent two days giving us leads, and we would be glad to give you an opportunity, surely. Mr. Lock WOOD. I heard him. Senator. I Avould like to cite to the committee check No. 12341 of the Day- ton Metal Products Co., of Dayton, Ohio, for $5,075, under date of June 29, 1918. Ostensibly this was a payment by the corporation referred to, which is the holding corporation of the various aircraft concerns in Dayton, Ohio, and that same concern is mentioned here and suggested this to me, to pay a personal note of James M. Cox. The effort Avas to make it appear that this was an obligation that Mr. Cox had entered into with the City National Bank, of Dayton, some time before, but it appears to me, from all the surrounding cir- cumstances, that it must have been a contribution from this corpora- tion to Mr. Cox's campaign fund, because I do not believe that this corporation w^ould have been permitted by Gov. Cox to give him this gratuity on any other grounds. The Chairman. Was that in this campaign? Mr. Lock WOOD. 1918 is the date of this. The Chairman. That was in his campaign for governor? Mr. Lockwood. It was in the campaign of 1918. Senator Reed. Let me ask, Mr. LockAvood, so the matter will be clear, are you testifying to some matters that somebody told you about or something you know about yourself ? Mr. LocKWooD. If you Avill call Mr. E. M. Talbot Senator Reed (interposing). You are testifying to somethin somebody told you and are putting this in as a mere lead and not a a statement of facts? Mr. Lockwood. Yes, sir; but I Avill guarantee the committee the facts Avill be as stated, if they Avill call the Avitnesses. E. M. Talboi is the president of the Dayton Metal Products Co., and he is also th president of the City National Bank of Dayton. The same corpora tion in 1916 contributed a total of $21,000 to a fund raised by on€ Adam Schantz, a breAver of Dayton, Avhich Avas expended in the southern tier of counties of Ohio. Senator Reed. In a political campaign ? Mr. LocKAvooD. In a political campaign. Senator Reed. For Avhom ? ' Mr. LocKAVooD. For James M. Cox and Woodrow Wilson. Senator Reed. That is Avhat I Avant to knoAV. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2589 The Chairman. Yovi mean Woodrow Wilson and James M. Cox? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir. It is claimed that this $21,000 repre- sented a contribution by Messrs. Deeds — Deeds is the man who is reconmiended for court-martial by Gov. Hughes — Mr, Kettering and Mr. Talbot, and charge it to their personal account by the corpora- • tion. However, a corporation check was paying these amounts. But this, I think, is disproven by the fact that a little later the funds of the Dayton Flood Prevention Commission Avere looted by the direc- tors of that organization and money paid out to Democrats who were ■ supposed to have rendered certain service, and then this money was restored to the contributor, and this fund of $37,000, in the case of the Dayton Flood Prevention Commission was returned direct to the treasurer of this corporation, which would indicate that it was a corporation contribution and not an individual contribution of these stockholders. Senator Reed. Where do you get that information from ? Mr. LocKwooD. This information is contained in an unofficial re- port made by Mr. Meyer Steinbrink, who was in Daji^on and investi- ; gated this proposition, to the Frear congressional committee, but was not made a part of the report of the committee for the reason it was not discovered that these funds were in any way used for aircraft purposes, and therefore they did not feel that it was within the pur- view of the committee. But Mr. Steinbrink proffered later the in- formation and knowledge as to what this $5,000 was paid for — this $5,075 — this note was found in the possession of the Dayton Metal : Products Co. — the canceled check and canceled note. The Chairman. Is there a law in Ohio requiring the filing of a statement of campaign expenses? Mr. LocKwooD. Yes, sir ; there is such a law. The Chairman. That would not appear in the statement as filed? Mr. LocKwooD. It should appear, unless camouflaged under the pretense of paying a note. The process resorted to Avas that Mr. Cox gave a note — ^Ir. Cox is a rich man who does not need to give personal notes — for this $5,000, and then the corporation paid the note, but without any record or evidence or indication of any service performed by Cox to the corporation. The Chairman. You take it from that that it Avas a campaign contribution ? Mr. LocKwooD. I think that is the most reasonable interpretation of the payment. Senator Reed. It might haA^e been any one of 40 or 50 different tilings, might it not ? Mr. LocKAVooD. It appears to have been a contribution by the corporation personally to Mr. Cox. Senator Reed. Noav, let us see Mr. LocKAvooD (continuing). Because the report of Mr. Stein- 11 brink ] Senator Reed (interposing). That is necessarily a conclusion. i Mr. Cox's note Avas put in the bank for $4,074 Mr. LocKAA^ooD (interposing). For $5,000; the other was interest. Senator Reed. AfterAvards you say that a corporation sent $5,000 \ over in payment of that note ? Mr. LocKAvooD. The president of the corporation being at the same time the president of the bank ; yes, sir. 2590 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. Very well. Now, you draw the inference that that was a campaign contribution. But might not it have been an ordi- nary business deal, by which Mr. Cox gave his note for something he was purchasing, and that afterwards, by arrangement with the company, they took the note up and, like enough, took the property 5 Mr. LocKWooD. No; because no explanation could be offered by the officers of the company to Mr. Steinbrink of any transaction. Senator Reed. You get that from Steinbrink? Mr. LocKWooD. I understand. Senator^ Senator Reed (interposing). I do not knoAv an3^thing about it; but Avhat 1 am objecting to is that a man finds the note of an indi- vidual in a bank, and finds that a corporation drew a check that paid that note, Avhereupon he concludes that it was a political con- tribution, merely because that man happens to be in politics, when it might have been any one of a million business transactions. Mr. LocK^\'0()D. It has all the color. Senator, and appearance of being a political contribution. There ought to be some explanation,, and it is fair to say. Senator Senator Reed (interposing). Maybe there ought to be an explana- tion, and maybe not. It does not come within the purview of this committee's business, but I am going to insist now, if the other mem- bers of the committee will agree with me, that this matter be imme- diately investigated, whether it is beyond our jurisdiction or not, and that we get out of the realm of deduction into that of fact. I am not criticizing you, although I think that if I found your note in a bank and learned that a corporation had afterwards paid your note I would not have the right to infer that you used that money for political purposes or that there was anything w^rong about it. Mr. LocKwooD. That deduction, it is fair to sny, is my own and not that of Mr. Steinbrink's. Mr. Steinbrink expresses mystification about it, and says no explanation could be forthcoming. I want to say I would not have brought this matter before the com- mittee except for the fact that it appears from the production of this ^ testimony — these papers introduced here to-clay, which, as I say^l could have been obtained by anybody from my office — that it cor- 1 roborates a story brought to me by one of our employees that he had I been offered a large sum of money to sell out certain material with reference to my business ; and he came to me with the proposition that if I would give him a certain amount of money he would not do it. I sent word to him that he Avas a blackmailer and " to go to hell, or to go to this committee." The Chairman. Where did he go ? Mr. LocKwooD. He Avent to this committee. Senator. [Great laughter.] The Chairman. He did not go to all the members of the committee. Senator Reed. I can relieve your anxiet}^ about this. I know nothing about this matter. I know nothing about those papers ex- cept that they Avere referred to by Mr. Moore in his so-called " leads," and Avho handed me these papers. Mr. Lockwood. It is perfectlv proper that you should investigate that. Senator Reed. And they are here in evidence ; I do not know how they ^Yere obtained. Sir. Lockavood. I am only mentioning that as justification. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2591 Senator Keed. But if they were obtained, whether obtained by whomsoever Mr. LocKwooD (interposing). Cuts no figure. Senator Eeed. It has nothing to do AA'ith their truthfulness, and they speak for themseives. But that has very little to do with an inference that a man's note put in a bank, a man who is in business, and afterwards discharged by the check of the company, proves that he had been receiving campaign contributions from a corporation. I do not think, Mr. Lockwood, when 3^ou think it over, that you will see any relation between the two facts. The press of the country Avill have this for whatever injury it may do. I hope they will say that this was the inference and deduction of a witness. Now, Mr. Chairman, I am going to move that this committee — and if it can not all go that a subcommittee — -proceed to Dayton, Ohio,, not later than Wednesday of next week. The Chairman. I think we can proceed there Monday. Senator Reed. Very well. I can not be there Monday, but you gen- tlemen can be there. I am willing to leave it to any two Senators on the committee, Iwth of them_ Republicans, if you want it that way. Senator Edge. Senator, how can you properly investigate this in- ference or lead without having direct testimony from Gov. Cox? Senator Reed. You can go down there and find if there was such a note and such a check, and whether the banker knows all about it. Mr. Lockwood. I think Talbot and Schantz know all about it. The Chairman. I want to say I do not believe it is within our jurisdiction under this resolution, as that has nothing to do with this campaign. Senator Reed. Then it should not have been allowed to have been mentioned here, but it has been mentioned and I am going to insist on ofoing to the bottom of it. The Chairman. AA> are ready* to go to the bottom of it, but I do not think it is within our jurisdiction. We will have Talbot sub- pcenaed for to-m.orrow morning. Senator Reed. I suggest that we have Mr. Talbot come and bring- all his records relating to this transaction. The Chairman. It is hardly fair to put us in the position of not being willing to do it. We have engagements next week just as well as you have. Who else beside Talbot can giA^e us information? Mr. Lockwood. The cashier of the City National Bank. Senator Edge. How can Talbot give us information as to what Gov. Cox did with the $5,000? It is a banking transaction, and that is all he knoAvs about it, is it not ? Mr. Lockwood. I think Mr. Talbot would have personal knowledge probably of the purpose of the transaction. Senator Reed. Senator, the Avitness's inference was based upon the fact that the investigation, whoever he Avas — I have forgotten the name Mr. LocKAA'OOD. Steinbrink. Senator Reed (continuing). Had not received an explanation. If Avhat you say is correct, that these men Avould knoAv nothing about it from mere papers, then Ave could not have obtained information from them, and therefore the inference Avould be a bad one to draAv. Senator Edge. The inference AA^ould still remain, AA-ould it not ? 2592 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. I take it — I do not say with certainty, as Ave can all have our opinions — that the banker knows about this transaction, and, if he does not, we Avill try and find somebody who does. Senator Edge. Up to a certain point he would know the banking transaction, but just whether he can connect that with a political con- tribution would seem to me to come pretty near the individual. Senator Eeed. You have had hundreds of checks go through a bank, and so have I, and some have gone to corporations and some have come from corporations, but Ave Avould resent very much the deduction from that that we had received subscriptions from cor- porations. Senator Edge. We are perfectly Avilling to hear any eA^idence, so far as time permits. TESTIMONY OF MR. HERBERT S. HOUSTON, TREASURER LEAGUE TO ENFORCE PEACE, NEW YORK CITY. (The Avitness Avas duly sworn b}^ the chairman.) The Chairman. Mr. Houston, state your name. Mr. Houston. Herbert S. Houston. The Chairman. Where do you live, Mr. Houston ? Mr. Houston. New York City. The Chairman. What is your business ? Mr. Houston. I am publisher and A^ice president of Doubleday, Page & Co. The Chairman. You are treasurer of the League to Enforce Peace ? Mr. Houston. Yes. The Chairman. We want to knoAv something about that league and its actiAdties, its contributions, and disbursements. Is it an incorporated organization? Mr. Houston. It is incorporated under the laAvs of XeAv York. The Chairman. And when Avas it incorporated ? Mr. Houston. The league Avas incorporated in Indepedence Hall, Philadelphia, June 17, 1915. Hon. William Taft is president, Alton B. Parker is vice president, and I am treasurer. When the league Avas formed it put in the forefront of its four proposals that the ITnited States should go into a league of nations if one Avas formed. That Avas the first plan. Then there were four general proposals under that. The Avork of the league has been educational entirely, undertaking to develop and distribute affirmative arguments in regard to the League of Nations. Of course Mr. Taft, as the president of the organization, has been the most influential member in it and has spoken in every Statfe in the L^nion. Mr. HooA er, Oscar Straus, and President LoAA^ell, of Haiward, are mem- bers. We have had a very large group of men. I do not know how far. Senator, you Avant me to go in describing the Avork of the organi- zation. I can make it short or long. The Chairman. In your own Avay go ahead. We Avould like to knoAv about it. Mr. Houston. When the Avar came the league immediately took a A^ery strong and patriotic stand in respect to the Avinning of the Avar, and our activities Avere almost entirely merged into war actiA^- ties, from Mr. Taft down to the Avhole membership. • PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2593 We had a (rreat convention in Philadelphia in 1918 during the war, Avhich we called the war convention for permanent peace." Mr. Taft, of course, made the principal address as president of the league, and there were a very large number of addresses from leaders of American thought, representing all shades of political and religious I opinion : and I have here a report of that convention. There was a ( convention before that in AVashington, in 1916. That was our first convention, and we have gone forward doing educational work until . the present campaign. In our articles of incorporation, article 7 for- bids the league, as it is wholly nonpartisan in its make-up, to engage in partisan activities in a political campaign, and since the nomina- tions of the presidential candidates we have done nothing except un- { dertake to give such information as came into our possession in re- \ spect to the actual workings of the League of Nations. The Chairman. How large an organization have you, Mr. Hous- ton? , Mr. Houston. Well, we have organizations in practically every [ State in the Union. We liave about 400,000 members. I have brought here a list of over 10,000 contributors to our funds, the original book. The Chairman. You have 10,000 contributors? Mr. Houston. There have been over 10,000 contributors. The Chairman. What has been the greatest amount collected ? Mr. Houston. The greatest amount in the last five years has av- eraged just about $4,000 per State per year, or a total of $851,856.09. The Chairman. Which you have collected altogether? Mr. Houston. Which we have collected altogether in that period. The Chairman. During the last year or two the contributors have been Avhom — I do not think we want to go back five years, but the last two years? Mr. H(3uston. The last two years we have had as contributors — — The Chairman. Have you a list of them here ? Mr. Houston. I came on a hurried telegram from Chicago, Sena- tor, and they are in our books, which I telegraphed to New York for. But I think I could tell you from my memory of a great many of the various people, if you Avish to know of it. The Chairman. In the last two years were your contributors different from those in the last five years, or do the same people con- tribute every year? Mr. Houston. The same people contribute every year. The Chairman. Do you have a fixed amount ? Mr. Houston. No. The Chairman. Do the men agree to contribute so much per year ? Mr. Houston. Sometimes. Let me say that Mr. Taft has sent his check for $500 every year since the league was formed. President Lowell has contributed $2,000 or $3,000 every year. Our largest con- tribution in the last two years was made b}^ Charles M. Schwab, who sent a check for $10,000. The Chairman. $10,000 a year? Mr. Houston. No; that was one check for $10,000, about a year ago. It was within the two-year period. Senator Eeed. Have vou a list of these subscribers that was called for? The Chairman. He has sent for the books. 2594 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Houston. I was just explainin. rowed it ? Mrs. Parks. Absolutely ; just the same as I have borrowed money [^in previous years for different lines of business. 2636 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. Is your reason for declining to answer merely that you do not want to make public the names of men or people who have loaned you the money ? Mrs. Parks. Absolutely ; because it was wholly a personal matter. They came into it and gave me the money because I wanted it per- sonally. Senator Reed. Would you object to furnishing the chairman of the committee those names, provided they are treated as confidential, with the understanding, of course, that if he finds they have political significance he should use them? Mrs. Parks. You mean political significance? I do not under- stand you. Senator Reed. Would you object to furnishing the names to the chairman of the committee to be treated as confidential unless he finds that these names indicate that the paper is under political control ? Mrs. Parks. I wonder if I get you just right. Would you mind repeating that again? Senator Reed. My suggestion is that you furnish Senator Kenyon these names with the understanding that he will not make them public unless, when you furnish them, it appears that they have a political significance ; that is, that they mean a political control, by the Demo- cratic Party or Democratic agencies, of this paper. Mrs. Parks. I prefer not to. The Chairman. I will say that as far as I am concerned I do not want them in any confidential way. We have had nothing confiden- tial yet that I know of. Mrs. Parks. There is no possible control; there never has been a suggestion by anybody outside of myself as to the control of the paper, and my chief object was to protect my own money The Chairman. I do not see any use ih taking any more time. The witness refuses to give the information. Senator Reed. I was not taking much time. I thought perhaps I could get the names in that way. The Chairman. You evidently can not get them; and the public can judge. Senator. Reed. There is ahvays a chance that there may be personal reasons why a business transaction should not be made public. I have examined books with that understanding, always reserving the right, if the book should prove some particular fact that was at issue^ that the information might be used. Now, Mrs. Parks, has this publication — the Stars and Stripes — ta your knowledge, ever made any attacks upon the Republican Party? Mrs. Parks. Absolutely not. Senator Reed. Has it in any way, to your knowledge, undertaken to defend or benefit the Democratic Party ? Mrs. Parks. No, sir. I understand — this is only an understand- ing; it was not stated to me — I understand that the treasurer of the Democratic National Committee has made the statement that he considered it unfriendly to the Democratic administration or the Democratic Party. Senator Edge. Is that the reason they are giving you those half- page advertisements we saw yesterday? Mrs. Parks. No, sir; when we received it from the Democratic national committee we immediately wired our Chicago representatives PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGls^ EXPEIvTSES. 2637 to say to the Republicans that we had it and ask them if thev wished the same space. • yourself f^^^^"^^' "^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^"^ ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^"'^^^ ^^i^^^" Mrs. Parks. What is it? The Chairman Do you spend any time in work on this paper? - Mrs. Parks. What time I can give outside of my office hours. .''''^ ^'"^V^ entirely taken up with the national committee work, is it not, as Mr. Jamieson's secretary « Mrs. Parks. Yes; a great deal of it. The Chairman. So that you spend no time on this paper « : my^'iSe^^^^^^^^^^^ ' ''''''' '''' ^^^^^ ^^on, because ^ The Chairman. You say you put $10,000 in it. Did you put that m in one sum ? j r Mrs. Parks. No, sir. tirLY ^^^'^^ ^^^g^s^ sum you ever put into it at one Mrs. Parks. I believe, $2,500. • The Chairman. Was that your own money « Mrs. Parks. Yes. ' The Chairman. Did you put that in by check to somebody Mrs. Parks. A check to somebody? r . The Chairman. Yes. Mrs. Parks. No, sir. The Chairman. Was it in cash ? Mrs. Parks. Cash. The Chairman. Bills? Mrs. Parks. Bills. a}^^ Chairman. To whom did you give the bills ^ and Striptr^' '^^P''^'*^'^ ^^'^ ^^'^^^ the credit of the Stars The Chairman. What bank? Mrs. Parks. The District National Bank. The Chairman. What was the date of that? Mrs. Parks. Different dates. The Chairman. I asked you as to one time, and you said $2,500. . Mrs. Tarks. Ion asked me at any one time what was the amount. K 'i f i asked you the largest amount you had ever con- t tributed at one time. Mrs. Parks. I say I think it was $2,500. The Chairman. And then I asked you whether you gave a check tor It, and you sad no ; but, as I understand you now, you meant by .that you deposited the money in bills in a bank. : Mrs. Parks. Yes, sir; and the deposit book will show. \ 1 V^^^^^^^N- That you deposited it to the credit of the Stars ^and htripes? ^ Mrs. Parks. Yes, sir. i The Chairman. Just when was that? ' oook^^* ^ ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^t ^^t^s ^^^^ get the deposit I The Chairman. Where did you get that $2,500 that you deposited iit that time? Mrs. Parks. Where did I get it ? 2638 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Yes. Mrs. Parks. Money we had saved. The Chairman. You have been saving it right along and had it in the house ? Mrs. Parks. No. The Chairman. Where did you have it? Mrs. Parks. In my safety- deposit box. We have been married for 13 years, and I have been in business a great portion of that time. The Chairman. That does not represent the savings of 13 years, does it? Mrs. Parks. It represents the result of it. The Chairman. How long had you been saving that $2,500 that you had in the safety-deposit box? Mrs. Parks. I can not state. The Chairman. Why did you not deposit it in the bank instead of having it in the safety-deposit box? Mrs. Parks. One of the reasons was that during the time of the war there was a very strong statement made that the banks would withhold money, and we had what we could in cash and kept it that way. The Chairman. In the safety-deposit box? Mrs. Parks. Yes, sir. The Chairman. And you finally, being reassured about it, de- posited it? Mrs. Parks. I deposited it in the Stars and Stripes. The Chairman. What have you in the Stars and Stripes to show the advancement of the money to them ? Mrs. Parks. Notes. The Chairman. When was the note given with reference to the time you made the deposit ? Mrs. Parks. At the same time. The Chairman. Was that note ever paid ? Mrs. Parks. No, sir. The Chairman. By whom is that note signed ? Mrs. Parks. It is signed by Mr. Heffernan as secretary-treasurer. The Chairman. Then you expect that money back? Mrs. Parks. I certainly do, when the paper is on its feet. The Chairman. So that is not reallv an investment in the paper, is it? Mrs. Parks. No. The Chairman. Is that the way all the other advancements were made to the paper, you taking notes ? Mrs. Parks. I have notes. The Chairman. For everything you have advanced them, so that you expect the money all back from the paper ? Mrs. Parks. Some time. The Chairman. About when do you expect it : do you know ? Mrs. Parks. When the paper is able to pay it. The Chairman. You tell us, now, that you really expect those notes to be paid by that paper. Have you not an understanding that they are to be paid by some one else ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2639 Mrs. Parks. I have not, Senator Kenyon. That is a' wrong infer- ence. I have no such understanding, and I expect to be paid by the paper. The Chair3ian. By the paper ? Mrs. Parks. Absolutely— if they are ever paid. The Chairman. So the fact is that vou have invested nothins: in the paper? Mrs. Parks. I have advanced money. The Chairman. The money that vou speak of as advancing vou ^ have notes for to be paid back to you ? i Mrs. Parks. Yes, sir. The Chairman. • What pays for the stock vou have ? The maioritv ^ot the stock— how is that to be paid for ? ' I Mrs. P ARKS. The stock was issued to me the same as stock is issued -jm any company, for the promised financing of the paper. The Chairman. So the stock is issued to you for your promise to linance the paper, and m doing that vou give the paper money and take notes back for the money ? k Mrs. Parks. Yes. j ^he Chairman. You get the stock merely, then, for loaning your jcredit to the paper ; is that it ? ^ ^ \ Mrs. Parks. No ; not for loaning my credit. The Chairman. Are you going to pay a cent for the stock? Mrs Parks. I do not know. I may take my notes out in the stock. 1 may have to do that. The Chairman. Who signed the notes ? : Mrs. Parks. Mr. Heffernan, secretary-treasurer? The Chairman. Anyone else? . Mrs. Parks. I do not know. [ The Chairman. Have you these notes here? ! Mrs. Parks. I have not. The Chairman. Where are the notes? Mrs. Parks. In my possession. • The Chairman. At the Democratic committee? Mrs. Parks. No. Senator Reed. Your paper has not taken, you say, any stand politically ? ■ - . ^ J Mrs. Parks. No, sir. i Senator Reed. It has been devoted to the soldiers ? Mrs. Parks. Yes, sir. ^ Senator Reed. It has had a good deal to say about the League of Nations, has it not? Mrs. Parks. I do not know that it has, unless it is in personal ' Senator Reed. Has it not been a pretty strong advocate of the i League of Nations? F Mrs. Parks. I do not think so. Senator Reed? [ Senator Reed. I may be in error. Did you get any of this money that you borrowed, and which you have not told us about, from the I League to Enforce Peace or from any of its members? I Mrs. Parks. I have never gotten a dollar of it from the League to Lti-ntorce Peace, and I do not know who its members are. 1 182774— 20— PT 20 2 2640 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. Have you <>otten it from anybody that you have understood Avas prominent in that organization? Mrs, Parks. No. sir. There has been no political influence of any sort ever connected Avith the paper at any time, and there is none to-day. Senator Reed. Your loans, then, were purely personal loans^ Avithout any kind of political strings or any other kind of control? Mrs. Parks. Absolutely. Senator Reed. Do you expect to sever your connection Avith the national committee Avhen the campaign is oA^er? Mrs. Parks. I do. Senator Reed. You said you had had somethiAg to do Avith the Avar. What Avas it? Mrs. Parks. By that I meant I had done AA^hat everybody else has done, in my small Avay to assist. Senator Reed. Your interest in establishing this paper Avas to benefit the former service men, and you also thought it a good busi- ness venture ? Mrs. Parks. I did ; and I still think so. Senator Reed. Has Mr. Jamieson ever exercised any control OA^er it, or tried to? Mrs. Parks. Absolutely none. Senator Reed. Did you giA^e Mr. Jamieson any collateral or se- curity for this $4,000, or did you just borroAv it on your personal note? ^ Mrs. Parks. On my personal note. Senator Reed. You expect to pay it back to him ? Mrs. Parks. I do. Senator Reed. You [ire pretty sure, noAV, that this paper has never taken any sides politically ? Mrs. Parks. I am absolutely sure of it: and the paper is there to shoAV for itself. Senator Reed. So if it has been serving the Democratic Party it has not done much for it? Mrs. Parks. It has not been serving it. Senator Reed. I say assuming that. Starting Avith that assump- tion, that it Avas created by the Democratic Party or as a Democratic influence, it has utterly failed to function in that Avay ? Mrs. Parks. If that Avas the purpose, yes. Senator Reed. That is all. The Chairman. Did you borroAv any money from Mr. Cochran, of the Democratic national committee? Mrs. Parks. No, sir. The Chairman. None at all? Mrs. Parks. No, sir. I stated none of the officers — well, he is not an officer. The Chairman. That is all. (Witness excused.) PEESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2641 TESTIMONY OF MISS BESSIE V. HANDY AND MR. GUY MASON. (The Avitnesses were duly sworn by the chairman.) The Chairmax. Let me put into the record, before I get to your 1 testimony, some telegrams that we have received about witnesses! I With relation to the attempt to secure Mr. H. E. Talbott, I desire 'to place in the record a telegram from Mr. H. E. Talbott, jr., to David S. Barry, as follows : i A737C 37 XL Dayton, Ohio, ^eijtemher 25, 1920. ^ Davis S. Baery, i Seargent at Anns. United States Senate, Wasliignton, J). C: ! Telegram received after my talk with yoii on phone. Col. H. E. Talbott, who was president of Dayton Metal Products Co., is on hunting trip in North jDakota. Kindly wire if you wish me to do anything further. I H. E. Talbott, Jr. ; That makes it impossible to have Mr. Talbott here tok. Edwin A. Alderman, President University of Viruinia. James B. Angell. educator and di))lomatist. Tliomas Willin.u- Balch, Uiwyer. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2643 Joliii Barrett, Director General Pan-American Union. James M. Becl^, former Assistant Attorney- General. Alexander Graham Bell, scientist and inventor. Perry Belmont, former chairman Committee on Foreign Affairs. George H. Blakeslee, professor history, Clark University. Rudolph Blankenburg, mayor of Philadelphia. Gutzon Borglum, sculptor. Samuel P. Brooks, President Baylor University. Charles R. Brown, Dean Yale divinity school. Elmer E. Brown, chancellor New York University. Henry A. Buchtel, ex-governor of Colorado. George Burnham, jr., publicist. Winston Churchill, author. Francis E. Clark, founder Christian Endeavor. John Bates Clark, political economist. Philander P. Claxton. United States Connnissioner of Education. A. T. Clearwater, jurist. Frederic R. Coudert, lawyer. Frank Crane, editorial writter Associated Newspapers. R. Fulton Cuting, financier. B William C. Dennis, formerly of State Department. Jacob M. Dickinson, ex-Secretary of War. Henry Sturgis Drinker, president Lehigh Universitv. Samuel T. Dutton, educator. William H. P. Faunce, President Brown Universitv. Woodbridge N. Ferris, Governor of Michigan. ^ John H. Finley, New l^ork Commissioner of Education. ] Irving Fisher, political economist, Yale University. 4 William Dudley Foulke, former member United States (Mvil Service Commis- (Sion. Howard B. French, manufacturer. James Cardinal Gibbons, j Franklin H. Giddings, sociologist. » Washington Gladden, author, clergyman. 1 WiUiam E. Glasscock, ex-governor of West Virginia Caspar F. Goodrich, Rear Admiral, U. S. Navy George Gray, member of Hague Court. Herbert S. Hadley, ex-governor of Missouri. John Hays Hannnond, mining engineer. Albert Bushnell Hart, historian. " William O. Hart, President Louisiana Historical Association Rowland G. Hazard, manufacturer. Bayard Henry, lawyer. Myron T. Herrick, diplomatist. John Grier Hibben, President Princeton Universitv Emil G. Hirsch, rabbi. George C. Holt, United States District Judge Hamilton Holt, editor the Independent. H. J. Howland, associate editor the Independent Wm. B. Howland, president the Independent Charfes CbSr^i^\'7' "^^'^"f American Peace and Arbitration League. Charles Cheney Hyde, professor of international law, Northwestern Univer- J. E. lugraham, railway official. Jeremiah W. Jenks, political economist New York Universitv Homer H. Johnson, lawyer. ivt-iMcy. David Starr Jordan, scientist and educator I Federick N. Judson, lawyer. Darwin P Kingsley, president New York Life Insurance Co. i J. Leonard Levy, rabbi. Edgar Odell Lovett, president Rice Institute A. Lawrence Lowell, president Harvard University. Frederick Lynch, secretary Church Peace Union. r^vl 1 ^- Macfarland, secretary Federal Council of Churches i Theodore Marburg, economist. v. uncnes. ■ Samuel W. McCall, Member of Congress. 2644 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. James B. McCreary, governor of Kentucky. Victor H. Metcalf, ex-Secretary of Navy. John Mitchell, chairman New York State Industrial Commission. Samuel C. Mitchell, president Delaware College. John Bassett Moore, professor international law and diplomacy, Columbia University. Henry C. Morris, president Chicago Peace Society. Cyrus Northrop, president emeritus. University Minnesota. Alton B. Parker, jurist. George A. Plimpton, publisher. George H. Prouty, ex-governor of Vermont. Odin Roberts, lawyer. Victor Rosewater, editor Omaha Bee. Leo S. Rowe, president American Academy Political and Social Science. Nath. C. Schaeffer, State Superintendent Public Instruction. Jacob H. Schiff, banker. Isaac N. Seligman, banker. John C. Shaffer, newspaper publisher. William A. Shauklin, president Wesleyan University. Robert Sharp, president Tulane University. Albert Shaw, editor Review of Reviews. William H. Short, secretary the New York Peace Society. James L. Slayden, Member of Congress. Edgar F. Smith, Provost University of Pennsylvania. John A. Stewart, chairman Peace Cent. Commission. Oscar S. Straus, member of Hague Court. Frank S. Streeter, lawyer. Joseph Swain, president Swarthmore College. William H. Taft, ex-President United States. Charles T. Tatman, lawyer. John M. Thomas, president Middlebury College. William Hale Thompson, mayor of Chicago. Charles F. Thwing, president Western Res. University. James L. Tryon, director American Peace Society. Henry St. George Tucker, lawyer. Charles R. Van Hise, president University of Wisconsin. W. H. Vary, master New York State Grange. Anton C. Weiss, editor Duluth Herald. Benjamin Ide Wheeler, president University of California. Everett P. Wheeler, lawyer. Harry A. Wheeler, banker. Andrew D. White, educator and diplomatist. Thomas Raeburn White, lawyer. William Allen White, publicist. John M. Whitehead, lawyer. John Sharp Williams, United States Senator. Talcott Williams, journalist. Wardner Williams, president Colorado State Board of Peace Commissioners. George G. Wilson, Professor of International Law, Harvard University. Luther B. Wilson, bishop M. E. Church. Oliver Wilson, master National Grange. Stephen S. Wise, rabbi. Theodore S. Woolsey, international law, Y^ale University. Mr. Mason. I think the prime movers were Mr. Taft ; Mr. Lowell, of Harvard University; Mr. Willinm H. Short, who afterwards became secretary of the League to Enforce Peace. He was a retired Congregational clergyman. Mr. Oscar Strauss, Mr. Herbert S.i Houston, Mr. Edward A. Eilene, Mr. Marburg, formerly minister to Belgium Senator Eeed. The whole list is here, is it not ? Mr. MasC'X. Yes; but these are in addition. I think the names I am now giving you are the names of those who instigated this call which resulted in this answer. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2645 Senator Reed. Very well. When was that meeting held ? Mr. Masox. It was in 1915— June, 1915. Senator Reed. I notice that the first entry of cash in your first book is on June 28, 1915. Mr. Masox. That was during that meeting or toward the close of it. Senator Reed. That probably indicates the time of the meeting. Mr. Masox. They raised money at that meeting to inaugurate the League to Enforce Peace as an organization. Senator Reed. You have spoken of Mr. Beck — James M. Beck, i Who was he ? Mr. ^L\sox. Former Assistant Attorney General, an attorney in iJ^ew \ork. Senator Reed. Is this James M. Beck the attorney in New York who is now opposed to the league ? Mr. Masox. Yes, sir. ^ Senator Reed. Of course, at the time you had this first meeting you did not have the document which we know as the League of Nations before 3^ou at all ? Mr. Masox. No, sir ; we adopted a platform then which, in the mam, is embodied in a little different language in the present cove- nant. Senator Reed. Have you that platform ? Mr. Masox. Yes, sir.^ It is in the proceedings there [indicating] . Senator Reed. You will file the proceedings with us ? Mr. Masox. Yes. We call it our declaration of principles. Senator Reed. You spoke of Mr. Filene. He has been one of the j heaviest contributors ? I Mr. Masox. One of the prime movers from the beginning, j Senator Reed. Where is he now ? I Mr. Mason. I imagine he is in Germany ; at least he started for there. Senator Reed. He is over there trying to get Germany admitted to the league? Mr. Masox. I do not know that that is his mission, althou^rh it may be. Senator Reed. You know that he has been pretty active in that effort, do you not ? . * Mr. Masox. I knew that he had harbored a desire to see Germany a member of the League of Nations ; yes, sir. ^ Senator Reed. He wants to get Germany into the League of Na- itions where it will have a vote that concerns the interests of the United States, even before we are at peace with Germany ; Mr. Masox. I do not admit that. Senator Reed. Do you know how he got into Germany when we were at war with Germany Mr. Mason. I do not know. I: Senator Reed. That is, the President says we are. Mr. Masox. I do not know how he got in or when he got in. I was not acquainted with those facts, sir. Senator Reed. Do you know what the financial interests of Mr liFiIene are? 1 Mr. Masox. In a general way; yes, sir. V Senator Reed. What are they ? 2646 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Mason. Largely a department store in Boston. That is the main source of his wealth and the bulk of it. He and his brother are in business together. Senator Reed. Do you know a man named Fels, who was a heavy subscriber ? Mr. Mason. Mr. Samuel Fels, of Philadelphia, manufacturer of Fels Naphtha soap " ; yes, sir. Senator Reed. Is he the Mr. Fels that was an advocate of the single tax? Mr. Mason. No, sir ; that was his brother, and that brother is now deceased, and his widoAv is carrying on that work herself. Senator Reed. Was this Mr. Fels you speak of interested in the movement ? Mr. Mason. Not to my knowledge; no, sir. This Mr. Fels that I speak of is a Republican and a member, as I understand it, of the Union League Club of Philadelphia. Senator Reed. Do you know whether he is a natural-born citizen of the United States ? Mr. Mason. A natural-born citizen of the United States I under- stand. Senator Reed. Do you know of any more of your representatives that are over in Europe ? Mr. Mason. I, personally, do not know of any; no, sir. I do not think there are any others over there, or I would have learned of it. The office usually advises me of wdiat is going on. Senator Reed. Do you knoAv w^hat connections in Germany Mr. Filene has been able to establish ? Mr. Mason. He has not reported any. Senator Reed. That he went over to establish ? Mr. Mason. I think he went over on his own volition. He did not go as a representative of the League to Enforce Peace. As an organi- zation, the League to Enforce Peace is not sponsoring any movement to admit Germany, Austria, or any of the nations leagued or allied against the so-called entente allies in the recent war, or the present war, Avhichever Avay you want to look at it. Senator Reed. But Mr. Filene has been one of the leading spirits and leading contributors, has he not? Mr. Mason. Mr. Filene, I believe, has contributed something like $22,000. Mr. Filene has been a leading spirit and an enthusiastic worker in behalf of the League of Nations. Senator Reed. Do you think $22,000 will cover his contributions? Mr. Mason. I am not certain. I think it may be more. That is simply my recollection without having examined the books at all. I knew at the time contributions were made, but I have forgotten, be- cause I made no Avritten memorandum of them. Personally I advo- cated seeking contributions everywhere and anywhere in any amount and spending it in most any way that was legitimate. Senator Reed. Have you yourself solicited some subscriptions? Mr. Mason. No, sir; I am not a mone}^ raiser, as a rule. I have difficulty in keeping myself in money. Senator Reed. Did you ever Avrite some letters ? Mr. Mason. I never wrote a letter or never sought a subscription except in this way, but I was responsible in a large way for Mr. PRESIDE^s^TIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2647 Bariich making his contribution — at least, I laid what might be called the foundation for his making that contribution. Senator Keed. How much has Baruch given ? Mr. Masox. My impression is that it is about $47,000. It may be $50,000. I would have to check up. Perhaps I can tell you. | After referring to papers.] I Avanted to get $75,000. I tried to get that much — at least, I suggested getting — an effort was made to get $200,000 out of Henry Ford, but w^e did not get a nickel. That was when the Senate w'as considering the treaty. I wanted to have a large staff here disseminating all the information possible. I made that recommendation to the league. Senator Eeed. Henry didn't come across? Mr. Mason. He did not, I am sorry to say. Senator Eeed. That is one thing to Henry's credit. Mr. Mason. It depends entirely upon your point of view^, sir. Senator Reed. Yes. Whether it is national or international. Mr. Mason. I think the international is largely a dream. I do not know what caused it, whether it is Welsh rarebit or not, but it is largely a dream. Firty-seven thousand and five hundred dollars w^as Mr. Baruch's contribution, as I have it here. I might say for your interest. Senator, if you will permit me, that in 1915 and 1916 w^e made very strenuous efforts to induce the British to be interested in this subject and they turned a deaf ear on us. We took it up with Lord Bryce and Sir Cecil Spring-Rice and with Lloyd-George. I personally interviewed Sir Cecil Spring-Rice and Lord Bryce. Lord Bryce w^as sort of hike warm tow^ard such a project and w-ould not advocate it to his Government, and Lloyd- George was absolutely opposed to it in the beginning. That was in 1916 before the war, before Germany declared Avar and before Britain entered the w^ar, and before we had any idea that we Avould enter into the war. Senator Reed. And, of course, it w^as before Gen. Smuts Avrote this particular document ? Mr. Mason. Before Gen. Smuts wrote one document and before President Wilson Avrote a document. In the meantime the League of Nations had made several suggestions Avith regard to the platforms. Senator Rej:d. AVas there before this organization Avas formed, the organization called the League to Enforce Peace, the American Peace Society that had existed many years? Mr. Mason. It AA^as founded by Robert Ginn. It functions largely, I think, through the churches, by way of publications and articles which are prepared by lawyers, publishers, and statesmen. Ihe American Peace Society I knoAv absolutely nothing of. I could not very Avell knoAv much about it inasmuch as right along throughout - that period and to-aganda Avork you have to spend a great deal of money to get a little result. The result I think was mostly in the legislatures of the States adopting resolutions favoring the i league. That w^as probably the biggest result. I S^enator Reed. Did you send people out to see these State legis- I latures? ♦ ^ Miss Handy. No. Senator Reed. How did you reach the State legislatures? Miss Handy. Throu.o'h corres]:)ondence nnd sending literature. Senator Reed. Was that the only way? Miss Handy. That was the main way. Of course, our field man, Boyd, went from State to State, when he organized and created sentiment in that way. Senator Reed. Did you not have delegations go to the State legis- 5. latures? 1 Miss Handy. Not that I know of. ri Senator Reed. Was it not done through your State organizations; done not only once but many times? Miss Handy. They probalDly fostered that effort. Senator Reed. They went doAvn and lobbied ; that is what we say !|.::"when the other people do it. Did they not do that? Miss Handy. I do not think to a very great extent. Senator Reed. Well, to what extent? We might differ as to what a very great extent is. Miss Handy. I never knew of any delegation, and it never came j to my knowledge that they went to a legislature to offer a resolution, i Senator Reed. When I use the term "lobbying," I mean asking I people to do it. 2662 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Miss Handy. I understand what you mean. Mr. Mason. That term has ceased to be odious, I think. Senator Eeed. It depends on who does it. The Anti-Saloon League does it and it is all right, but if the Saloon League does it it is wicked. Mr. Mason. That also depends. Senator Reed. If the League to Enforce Peace does it, I suppose, from their viewpoint, it is all right ; and if the other side did it, it would be very wicked. What is the committee on information that spent $33,659.79? Miss Handy. That is the committee that puts out publications of the league. Senator Reed. That is just the salaries of the committee? That does not include the publications themselves? Miss Handy. Not the printing; no. Senator Reed. This Washington bureau that you maintained here at the time the debates were going on in Congress appears to have cost you $68,024.89. Mr. Mason. I can answer that; yes. Senator Reed. That was to send out literature? Mr. Mason. No ; we used a great deal of that. Senator — I should say at least 50 per cent of it or more — in payment of bills to the tele- graph companies to pay for telegraphic stories sent out each day. Senator Reed. Did you have a good many telegraphic stories that were sent to the press? Mr. Mason. We sent a great many stories. Nearly every day, certainly three times a week, stories were sent to a great many news- papers, rates prepaid, night press rates. We usually sent them at night press rates prepaid. Senator Reed. So you would get such statements as you desired printed in that way by paying the rates ? Mr. Mason. Yes. Those statements consisted of either interviews or actual happenings on the floor of the Senate which were favor- able to our cause. Senator Reed. And sometimes comments? Mr. Mason. Whenever we could get it ; yes, sir.* Senator Reed. I suppose they were entirely impartial and that you sent out both sides? Mr. Mason. We did not; no, sir. We sent out only that which would help us. Senator Reed. You were then engaged in spending this money in propaganda to influence public opinion with a view to influencing legislation ? Mr. Mason. We hoped to do that very thing. Senator Reed. Did you have an arrangement made by which let- ters and telegrams should be sent to Members of the Senate ? Mr. Mason. I personally delivered two or three kinds of books to every Member of the House and Senate. One I remember was Gold- smith's League of Nations, and then The Covenanter I personally delivered to every Member of the House and Senate. If you did not get a copy I am sorry. I left it in your office. We sent to Members of the Senate letters, and Mr. Oscar Straus and Mr. William Howard Taft and Mr. Lowell, of Harvard, came here and personally inter- viewed Members of the Senate. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2663 Senator Eeed. I am asking now about an arrangement for the sending of- telegrams or letters to Members of Congress. Mr. Mason. To their offices here? We did send them some letters; yes. Senator Reed. You had a great many sent that you promoted, did . you not? Mr. Mason. Oh, you mean from individuals? Senator Eeed. Yes. Mr. Mason. No. Senator Reed. How much were your telegraphic charges ? Mr. Mason. I can not tell offhand. I can furnish it to you. Senator Reed. They were very much, were they not ? Mr. Mason. I should think they would run pretty close to 50 per t cent of that item of $68,000. ' Senator Reed. What were you spending $34,000 worth of telegrams for? Mr. Mason. About 98 per cent of that telegraphic bill, or approxi- ^ mately those figures, were for articles sent to newspapers, interviews, ■ report of the proceedings in the Senate where it was particularly favorable; or sometimes we did send, I think, material that was unfavorable, but Ave did not send it with a desire of being impartial in the matter. We send it for the purpose of influencing public opinion for or against that particular Senator from that particular section. Senator Reed. So that if a man opi^sed your views you sent out news into his State for the purpose of building a backfire ? Mr. Mason. We sent out the actual happenings on the floor of the United States Senate and interviews with Members of th-e United States Senate or any public official that we could get. Senator Reed. Have you copies of this matter that was sent out? Mr. Mason. I think Ave have a file of CA^er^'^thing Ave sent. Senator Reed. I would like to have it. Mr. Mason. All right, sir ; you shall haA'^e it. Senator Reed. Can 3^ou get it down here in Washington? Mr. Mason. No ; we will have to send to Ncav York for it. , Senator Reed. Will you send it to me at Kansas City, Mo.? Mr. Mason. We Avill do so. ^ Senator Reed. Did you ever undertake to haA^e the State organiza- tions or the me*mbers of the State organizations cooperate Avith you in this work 'that you Imxe just described of creating a local senti- ment ? Mr. Mason. No, sir. Senator Reed. Did you eA^er undertake to have them cooperate in the matter of writing to their Senators in order to influence their action ? Mr. Mason, Yes, sir. This is the character of that [handing Sena- tor Reed a x^aper] . This is the way that was gotten out. That, for instance, went to Senator Wadsworth and Senator Calder. Senator Reed. You have handed me a paper here Avhich you say is a sample of the work done in various States. Mr. Mason. No, sir. That Avas an answer to your direct question -if we had State organizations or anyone to get in touch with their in- dividual members of the Senate, and that was the manner in which we did so. 2664 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. This was done in New York ? Mr. Mason. This was done in New York. Senator Reed. In the form indicated? Mr. Mason. In that form. Senator Reed, And it was done in other States in substantially the same way? Mr. Mason. Yes; but not quite so prominent. Miss Handy. I think tliat was the best-organized State. Mr. Mason. New York was the best-organized State organization to begin with. It was not as efficiently done in other States as it w^as done in New York. Senator Reed. Then you had copies of this not only sent to Sen- ator Wads worth and Senator Calder but to otlier members of the Senate, did you not? Mr. Mason. I think we had. I am not sure. Then we gave that out to the press. Senator Reed. You tried to carrj^ this same plan out in all the other States? Mr. Mason. Not in all the States; only in those States where we had a fairly good organization. Senator Reed. You had a pretty good organization in 05 per cent of the States? Mr. Mason. I should say so. Senator Reed. So it now begins to dawn upon me Avhy I got so many letters and petitions. You people were promoting them. Mr. Mason. We helped to do it. Senator Reed. I knew it, and that is the reason I did not pay any attention to them. I knew it was not any spontaneous uprising, but that it was being promoted. I want to put this in the record as a sample of your work. ^ j (The document lef erred to is as follows:) ' f I To Hon. .Tames W. Wauswokth, Jr., Hon. William M. Calder, United States Senators. Gentlemen : The undersigned, regularly enrolled Republicans of the State of i New York, respectfully urge that political partisanship should have no place in ! the consideration on its merits of the constitution of the proposed League of Nations. The Republican Party, which has done so much to promote the prin- ciple of the peaceful settlement of international disputes, can not justly be placed in an attitude of hostility to the project adop?d by the conference Paris for the extension of that principle to all the associated nations for the purpose of averting all preventable wars. The undersigned urge that the treaty containing the peace covenant be promptly ratified by the Senate without attempting to embarrass it by amend- ment, thus (l(-laying the conclusion of peace, and the establishment of a great agency for its future preservation. May 26, 1919. Henry W. Taft, Herbert Parsons, Charles H. Strong, Alford E. Marling, Edward W. Harris, Charles Whitman, Paul D. Hernott, William C. Breed, Lauren Carroll, Win. L. Ransom, Sam A. Lewesohn, William Chievers, Adolph Lewesohn, Charles D. Hilles, Charles D. Norton. Arthur Curtiss James, Theodore E. Burton, H. G. Ward. ^Ym. H. Wadhams, Mary G. Hay, Thos. Feld, Lewis H. Pounds, Wm. Jay Schieffelin (per W. J. S., jr.), Wm. Fel- lows Morgan, Darwin P. Kingsley, Wul D. Baldwin, Oscar S. Straus. Senator Eeed. I want to get from you in some way if I can the book that shows who 3^ou paid these moneys to. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2665 Miss Handy. Do you want the salaries or all the items ? Mr. Mason. That is rather a huge task to undertake. We will be glad to give you anything we have, of course. Senator Reed. Haven't you a book that shows the entries ? Mr. Mason. We have ledgers and all the vouchers. Senator Reed. Have you a journal ? Mr. Mason. If you will indicate just what you want, we will fur- nish it. Senator Reed. Have you a journal? Miss Handy. I do not Imow anything about bookkeeping, but we have a ledger. Senator Reed. Of course, but a ledger is a book into which has been transposed the condensed accounts from the journal. Mr. JNIason. I think they Avere made largely from the vouchers. Everybody that got a dollar had to sign a voucher to get it, and it had to be O. K'd by two people. Senator Reed. Did you ever spend any money for advertising? Mr. Mason. Yes. Senator Reed. I mean outside of advertising the fact that there ♦ was going to be a meeting. Did you ever spend any money for put- • ting any propaganda articles out in favor of the league? Mr. Mason. We printed what we called appeals for public support of the movement. Senator Reed. When I say " printed " I mean you printed them in papers ? Mr. Mason. Yes; in newspapers. Senator Reed. And paid for it? Mr. Mason. Yes, sir. That comes under these items of publicity. Senator Reed. I want a list of the articles that you paid for ; I want the articles you paid for, and I Avant the papers in which they were inserted and the amount of money paid in each instance. Mr. Mason. We have those original vouchers. Senator Reed. If you have a journal, by which I mean a book of , original entries showing these disbursements, with the names of the people, and I could look at that I could save you probably a great deal of work. Miss Handy. We will be glad to send it to you. i Senator Reed. If you have not that, then I desire particularly this {3 information I have just asked for as to the advertising or the paid ! articles you put in the newspapers and all other things that could be embraced under the term of advertising or propaganda. I would ' like to have the copies or the privilege of inspecting the original of the letters and telegrams that you have sent out. Miss Handy. What kind of letters and telegrams? Mr. Mason. That is quite a voluminous proposition. Senator Reed. Connected with the business in any way of carrying ( on the propaganda, and by the propaganda I mean all these means ' used to influence public opinion. Miss Handy. It would, take a wagon to bring that stuff down. Senator Reed. I want all communications with foreign govern- ments or foreign agencies or foreign individuals with reference to this ^ Mr. Mason (interrupting). Foreign extension? Senator Reed. The League to Enforce Peace. 2666 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Mason. Senator, you are asking us to bring down the whole office. Is there any way the committee can go up there and examine these records ? It would take a van to bring that stuff down here. Senator Reed. With the understanding that these matters will be turned over to any member of the committee or representative of the committee Mr. Mason. Any representative of the committee that the com- mittee wants may go into the office at any time and examine anything we have. Senator Reed. We may want to send a man instead of going our- selves. Mr. Mason. That will be perfectly all right, sir. Senator Reed. With that understanding, I will not ask to have them brought here. Mr. Mason. Miss Handy is there all the time. Miss Handy. I would like to know before the man is coming, be- cause there is a great deal of material in storage and we will have to get it out and bring it into the office. Mr. Mason. Since the political conventions we have given up the big office and are only using a small office, because we are doing no . work at this time. Senator Reed. Miss Handy, you are in charge of the New York office? Miss Handy. I am Mr. Short's assistant. Senator Reed. If we give you three or four days' notice, will that be sufficient? Miss Handy. I think so, if I can hire a floor to put it on. We have very small quarters, and I do not know whether I can get it out of storage quickly because of the movers' strike. I have been trying to get some things moved recently, but could not do it. If the moving situation has cleared up in New York so that I can get these things out of storage, I will be glad to do it on three or four daj^s' notice. Mr. Mason. We will get them out for you any time the committee wants them. Senator Reed. With that understanding, we will let Miss Handy go to catch her train. Miss Handy. Thank you. (Witness excused.) TESTIMONY OF MR. W. H. FOLWELL. (The witness was dul}^ sworn by the chairman.) The Chairman. Give me your name, please, for the record. Mr. FoLWELL. W. H. Folwell. The Chairman. Where is your home? Mr. Folwell. Marion, Pa. The Chairman. What is your business? Mr. Folwell. Manufacturer of dress goods — women's dress goods. The Chairman. Are you connected with the ways and means com- mittee for Pennsylvania of the Republican national committee? Mr. FoLAVELL. I am chairman. The Chairman. What is your organization? Go ahead and de- scribe it to us in 3^our own way. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2667 Mr. FoLWELL. Well, we have just begun, Senator. I was not ap- pointed until the 12th of August, and I have just finished getting a committee in Philadelphia. The Chairman. How large a committee do you have in Philadel- phia ? Mr. FoLAVELL. About 25 men and the same number of women. The CiiAiRMAN. Have you a list of names of those people? Mr. FoLw^ELL. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What you now hand the reporter is a list of the committee in Philadelphia? Mr. FoLWELL. Yes; and the names in pencil are the committees so far formed in the city. The Chairman. That is on the same sheet? Mr. FoLAVELL. On the same sheet ; yes, sir. (The two lists refefred to are here printed in full, as follows:) Ways and Means Committee of the Republican National Committee for Pennsylvania. W. H. Folwell, chairman and treasurer. Mrs. George Horace Lorimer, vice chairman. Chester W. Hill, secretary, committee. Mrs. Dobson Altemus. Mrs. George Fales Baker. Mrs. Edward Biddle. ^Edward W. Bok. .-Charles Bower, Millard D. Brown. Alfred E. Burk. Percy M. Chandler. Mrs. Herbert L. Clark. J. Howell Ciimmings. Mrs, Cyrus H, K. Curtis. Thomas Develon. James Dobson. Mrs. George A. Dunning. Charles J. Eisenlohr. Countess de Santa Eulalia. Mrs. Stanley G. Flagg. Miss Helen Fleischer. Nathan T. Folwell. Charles L, Gilliland. Mrs. John Giibbel. Walter J. Hallahan. Mrs, Charles C, Harrison, jr. Ilol)ert P, Hooper. Charles Jacobs. Thomas J, Jeffries. Mrs. C. Hartman Kuhn. Mrs. William E, Lingelbach. Mrs, J, Bertram Lippincott. Mrs, William L. McLean. Mrs, J, Willis Martin. E, Clarence Miller. Allen R, Mitchell, jr. W. Park Moore. Mrs. H. S. Prentiss Nichols. Mrs, John C, Norris. Mrs, I, H. O'Hai a. Mrs, Giftbrd Pinchot. Mr? Thomas Robins. WaUer R, Rossniassler. William H. Richardson. William F, Sauter. Philip T. Sharpies. Joseph N. Snellenburg. Mrs. Robert E. Strawbridge. Mrs. Charlemagne Tower. Mrs. Walter S. Thomson. AVilliam L. Turner. Samuel M, Vauclain. Charles P, Vaughan. Mrs, Barclay H. Warburton. Mrs. William G, Warden. Charles J. Webb. Alan D. Wood. PHILADELPHIA COMMITTEE. Harvey O, Scott. C. F, Armstrong. Ira W. Shotton. R. P. M, Davis. J. H. Myer. W. C, Washburn. J. G, Atlee. L. A. Howell. The (yHAiRMAN. Have you organizations in each county Mr. Folwell. We have not as yet ; we hope to have. 2668 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Have you a quota for the State of Pennsylvania ? Mr. FoLWELL. I have not. The Chairman. Received from Mr. Upham or anyone? Mr. FoLAVELL. They never talked quota to me at all. The Chairman. How much are you trying to raise? Mr. FoLWELL. Well, I have not arrived at any figure. That is most difficult. The Chairman. You are going to raise all you can ? Mr. FoLWELL. All we can. The Chairman. Now, from what sources are you trying to get contributions ? Mr. FoLWELL. We are trying to get contributions from everyone who is interested in the success of the Kepublican Party. The Chairman. Are you limiting the contributions to any sum? Mr. FoLWELL. Well, there seems to be a general understanding that they are not to exceed a thousand dollars. The Chairman. Have you had any contributions of over a thou- sand dollars? Mr. FoLWELL. No, sir. The Chairman. Mow many of a thousand dollars ? Mr. FoLWELL. You see, we have only got started. I am rather- ashamed of this report, but there are only three. Senator Edge, what is your total? 'i he Chairman. \ es ; what have you collected ? Mr. FoLWELL. $8,561. The Chairman. Does that come through your hands in any way, or does it go to the treasurer ? Mr. FoLWELE. Comes to me. The Chairman. And then do you send it on to the national treasurer? Mr. 1^ OLWELL. I have not sent any on as yet. The Chairman. But you have that money to send ? Senator Reed. You are going to send it on ? Mr. FoLWELL. That is my understanding. The Chairman. Do they have any arrangement for division of the money you raise in smj proportion between the State and the national committees? Mr. FoLWELL. No; no arrangement. The Chairman. The State raises its own money? Mr. FoLWELL. No; I understand I am making this campaign for the national committee, the senatorial committee, and the congres- sional committee, and the State committee; but how it is to be di- Added, I do not know anything about that. I understand that is up to the finance committee of the national committee. The Chairman. Have you no idea what you expect to raise in Philadelphia, or in the whole State of Pennsylvania? Have you no budget? Mr. FoLAVELL. Absolutely. The Chairman. And no quotas? Mr. FoLAVELL. We can not get at it. The Chairman. You have seen the neAvspaper accounts, at least, of the testimony taken before this committee in relation to quotas? Mr. FoLWELL. I saw some of it. PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN- EXPENSES. 2669 The Chairman. You have nothino: of that kind in Pennsylvania ? Mr. FoLWELL. They have not mentioned a word about quotas to me. The Chairman. Do you organize different branches of industry such as the chemical Mr. FoLWELL. That is what I have been endeavoring to do The Chairman. After the Red Cross plan? Mr. P'oLWELL. It is a sort of popular idea — yes: as nearly as possible. ^ ' J The Chairman. How do you do that? Take the woolen manu- I j facturers' names ? I Mr. FoLWELL. Well, I have asked a prominent wool man to take I the chairmanship of that subcommittee. The Chairman. Who is that ? Mr. Foi.WELL. Mr. Charles J. Webb, I think, in Philadelphia. - The Chairman. Is he a wool man ? Mr. FoLWELL. A wool man. The Chairman. Take steel; do you have any organization to col- |! [ lect money among the steel industry ? Mr. FoLWELL. Well, that is not perfected as yet. The Chairman. But you intend to do that ? t Mr. FoLWELL. Wa hope to. The Chairman. Who is to be your chairman of that? Mr. FoLAVELL. Mr. Vauclain. -! The Chairman. Who is he ? I Mr. FoLAVELL. President of the Baldwin Locomotive AVorks. I ^ The Chairman. Among the railroads do you have an organiza- Uion? What other organizations have you 'among other Imes of industry ? Mr. FoLWELL. Mr. Bower for chemicals, Mr. Millard D. Brown for woolen yarns, Mr. Burk for leather, Mr. Cummins for hats James Dobson for textile^, Charles Eisenlohr for the tobacco in- dustry, and Mr. Hallahan for the shoe industry, Mr. Moore for hosiery, Mr. Rossmassler for the silk industry, Mr. Richardson for the worsted yarns, Mr. Sauter— he is on the metal subcommittee Mr. Turner for the lace industry, and Mr. Webb for the wool. That is about the list. Senator Edge. Mr. Folwell, what do you think it is possible to raise, from your past experience in Pennsylvania? . Mr. Folwell. Well, I have had no past experience in Pennsyl- vania. ! The Chairman. Do you know what was raised four years ao-o in Pennsylvania? ^ Mr. Folwell. No, sir. h Chairman. But you have no limit on the amount to be raised? j Mr. Folwell. No. * The Chairman. You are going to raise all you can in these dif- ferent ways ? * Mr. Folwell. Yes. } The Chairman. You have not set any figure? J. Mr. Folwell. No. i Senator Reed. Haven't you had some talk about figures? r Mr. Folwell. Well, I have had some talk with some of the com- imittee, and they have said, " Well, I don't think we will get $100,000," 2670 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. and some have said, "AVe will get $150,000," and something like Senator Edge. Do you think that in any possible way you could raise a half million dollars in Pennsylyania? hard Mr FoLWELL. From present indications it would be very hard. The Chairman. Is there a lack of enthusiasm in Pennsylvania? Mr. FoLWELL. No : I do not think so. , „„„t^„ The Chairman. It is considered of no use in any State contro- '''^Mr.' FoLWELL. There may be some overconfidence on the part of ^The'^CHAiRMAN. What are the Democrats doing in Pennsylvania toward raising money ? Mr FoLWELL. I really do not know. . . Senator Reed. As a matter of fact, Pennsylyania is pretty nearly broke, is it not? Particularly these industries? Mr. FoLWELK Some of them are m a fair way to be broke Senator Reed. Are they in a fair way to go broke, because the elec- tion mav iro wron^: from their standpoint ? , . iS? • Mr FOLWELL,. No; they are suffering, as the country is suffering, from war inflation, you know. They want to get down to a business ^lenato^REED. Then, they would be interested, would they not, in helping to bring that about ? Mr. FoLw^ELL. Yes, sir. , /. i • Senator Reed. These industries that you speak of are large indus- tries in your great State, are they not ? Mr. FoLWELL. They are. ' , i t.. Senator Reed. And you intend to go to the people, of course, who are interested in order to get this money? Mr FoLWELL. I expect my committee to see them. Senator Reed. Now, you have named a number of men here, onr of them representing chemicals, another one wool, and ditteren. branches of industry. These men are nearly all men of affairs and money, are they? ^ ^ n i^i. „ t Mr. FoLWELL. Some of them; they are not all wealthy men. 1 would not say so. ,0 Senator Reed. They are men that have money i Mr. FoLWELL. They are well to do. Senator Reed. Of course, I do not know what you call ^^i-tO; do " in Pennsylvania. It might be what we call rich out m the W est. Now you have all these industries represented. Who represents the plain common people to net money out of them? Y ou have no com- mittee to go out and get small subscriptions, have yo^. Mr FoLWELL. We are circulating a lot of books like this [exhibit - ino- a'book of blank subscription forms]— the women are circulating them. That is the part the women are taking on the committee. Senator Edge. Describe that book for the record; say what it is. Mr FoLWELL. It is for small contribuations. Senator Reed. And you are organizing the women to present those ? Mr. FoLWELL. That is their intention. ^ Senator Reed. You have quite a woman's organization, have you^ Mr. FoLWELL. Yes ; the names are all there, Senator. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2671 Senator Reed. You really do not expect the ladies to raise much money, do you ? Mr. FoLWELL. They will raise all they can. Senator Reed. And the money is going to be gotten from these industries, is it not ? Mr, Folwell. The money comes, of course, from individuals, Senator. t Senator Reed. Certainly, but it comes from individuals who are i connected with these businesses? You get a man in the chemical business to go out and see men who are manufacturing or dealing in chemicals? Mr. Folwell. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And a man from the wool business to see the w^ool men ? Mr. Folwell. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. And they know, of course, that you do not allow a corporation to subscribe, because that is illegal, but you go to the men who own the corporation to get the money. That is the way it is ' done? I am not saying that there is anything wrong about it, but that is the way it is done, is it not ? ; Mr. FoLAVELL. Oh, we go to these men who are in business, whether ! they are interested in corporations or in partnerships. I^^enator Edge. Will you kindly state again how much you have I raised to date ? Mr. Folwell. $8,561. Senator Edge. Your committeemen are all organized now? Mr. Folwell. No ; they are not all organized. Senator Reed. You have not reall}^ started to work yet? Mr. Folwell. I would hardly say so; just got together. Senator Edge. Would you be satisfied if you raised $150,000? ' Would you, as chairman of the committee? Mr. Folwell. Well, it would seem rather small for the great State of Pennsylvania, but I would be satisfied, because we are all work- ing as hard as we can. Senator Edge. Approximate!}^, what is the population of Penn- sylvania ? Mr. FoLW^ELL. r am sorry I can not answer that, Senator. Senator Edge. I can not myself at the moment. Senator Reed. I think it is about six and a half million. Senator. Senator Edge. Well, about one fifteenth of the population of the country. On that basis you could, from the standpoint of popula- tion, raise pretty nearly a million dollars before you got to the total of that $15,000,000 that we have heard so much about, could you not? Mr. Folwell. I imagine so. Senator Edge. As a matter of figures, that is correct, is it not ? Mr. Folwell. I suppose so. I would want to figure it out first; but that part of it never interested me. Senator Edge. Well, it interests this committee, and inasmuch as you do not have a maximum I am trying to help you out a little bit. Mr. FoLW^ELL. That is very considerate, Senator. Senator Reed. You have not any doubt at all of your ability to raise a very larger sum than $100,000 when you get all these com- mittees to work, have you ? 182774— 20— PT 20 i 2672 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. FoLWELL. Well, lam rather a little doubtful about it. Senator Reed. Wouldn't you like to take the contract to raise that if you were to get all there was over it ? Mr. FoLAVELL. It would depend on what the other side of the con- tract was. Senator Eeed. Have you ever had any talk with Mr. Hays? When did you see Mr. Hays? Mr. FoLWELL. I saw him at an organization meeting we had about two weeks ago. Senator Keed. Where was that? Mr. FoLWEEL. In the Manufacturers' Club of Philadelphia. Senator Eeed. Who was present? I do not mean just to name the individuals Mr. FoLWELL. Mr. Hays, ex-Senator Weeks, and Mr. Blaine. Senator Reed. Anybody else ? Mr. FoLWELL. From the national committee? Oh, yes; I had the men that I had asked to become members of the Philadelphia com- mittee there — a sort of reception. Senator Reed. How large a crowd did you have ? Mr. FoLWELL. There Avere about 146 people present, I believe. Senator Reed. They were capitalists principally ? Mr. FoLWELL. No ; I think mostly business men. Senator Reed. Well, large business men? Mr. Folw^ell. Not the majority. Senator Reed. I do not know where you draw the line betw^een a capitalist and a business man. Mr. FoLWELL. I think there is a distinction. Senator Reed. Well, maybe there is. I do not mean to cavil with you. Senator Edge. Betw^een New York and Philadelphia, Senator. Mr. FoLWELL. I think that is about it. [Laughter.] Senator Reed. Did you have some bankers there ? Mr. FoLW^ELL. There were two bankers, I believe. Senator Reed. Some manufacturers there ? Mr. FoLWELL. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. In a word, you had a pretty representative crowd of the prominent wealthy Republicans of the city. That is right, is it not? Mr. FoLWELL. Yes, Senator. Senator Reed. And they came there to meet Mr. Hays, ex-Senator Weeks, and Mr. Blaine? Mr. FoLWELL. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. I know Senator Weeks. He talked about money, didn't he? Mr. FoLWELL. Yes, Senator. Senator Reed. You were all talking about money? Mr. FoLWELL. Yes, Senator. Senator Reed. How much money did Mr. Hays say the great State of Pennsylvania, with all its vast interests, ought to raise? Mr. Folwell. His remarks did not bear on that point. Senator Reed. How much did Weeks say? Mr. Folwell. He said nothing of the kind. Senator Reed. Who did say ? Mr. Folwell. No one. / = PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGlSr EXPENSES. 2673 Senator Reed. What did you talk about ? Mr. P'oLWELL. We talked about the necessity for electing a Re- publican Congress and Senate and President and Vice President. Senator Reed. And raising the money, didn't you ? Mr. FoLWELL. We talked about the necessity of raising money for legitimate campaign expenses. Senator Reed. All right. I am not saying anything is legitimate or illegitimate ; I am just talking now about — you were there to dis- cuss money, were you not? Mr. Folwell. Surely. Senator Reed. And you said something about amounts? Mr. Folwell. Well, there was nothing said about amounts. Senator Reed. Not a single word whispered or breathed about how much the great State of Pennsylvania ought to raise? What were you doing down there? Sucking your thumbs, or were you down there to do business ? Mr. Folwell. We were down there to get a little pep into this Philadelphia committee. Senator Reed. To do what ? Mr. Folavell. To get them started to work. Senator Reed. To do what ? Mr. Folwell. To get money. Senator Reed. Hoav much? Mr. Folwell. There was nothing said about that. Senator Reed. Was it indicated that it was to be a little petty larceny amount, or was it going to be a substantial amount? I do not want to cavil with you. • Mr. Folwell. I do not want to cavil with you. Senator. Senator Reed. But it is impossible to me that that sort of meeting should be held and you talk about raising money, and that nobody suggested that you ought to raise this much or that much. Mr. Folwell. There Avas nothing said about amounts. Senator Reed. You absolutely kept silent on that? Senator Edge. Was that meeting held since we have held sessions of this committee in Chicago? i Mr. Folwell. It was. ' Senator Reed. I can understand it now. Haven't you got any let- ters from anybody about it? Have you talked to Senator Penrose about it ? Mr. Folwell. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. When did you see Penrose? Mr. Folwell. I saw him, I think, about three weeks ago. Senator Reed. Of course, Penrose did not say anything about , money to you, did he? Mr. Folwell. I came to consult him. I have known him for very many years, and I wanted to get a little advice as to whether he thought I ought to do this thing or not. He told me they wanted ^ new blood in the proposition and it was m^^ duty to do it. ; Senator Edge. Have you ever held a political office yourself ? Mr. Folwell. No, sir. ! Senator Edge. You are just taking this up, then, from the stand- point of the general citizen interested in Republican success ? Is that it? I Mr. Folwell. Correct. 2374 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Eeed. When you talked to Penrose did either of you say anything about amounts of money? Mr. FoLWELL. In the way of quotas? Senator Keed. No ; about amounts of money. I want to make this question wide open. Mr. FoEWELL. It makes it difficult to answer. Senator Reed. Did you talk about amounts of money for campaign purposes ? Mr. FoLWELL. We talked about money, but w^e did not have any definite fixed amounts to talk about. Senator Reed. I do not mean definite fixed amounts. Were any amounts mentioned? Mr. FOLWEEL. No. Senator Reed. Not any amount at all? Mr. P'oLWELL. Well, now, in the way of what we should raise, no. Senator Reed. I am not talkins: about in the way of what you should raise ; I want it without limitation. Was there any amount of money named there at that meeting? Mr. FoLWELL. The only amount that w^as mentioned or discussed was this $1,000 maximum. Senator Reed. What did Penrose think of that, anyhow? Mr. Folw^ell. Well, he seemed to think it was a new idea, and as these Red Cross drives had been successful, if we could put it across it would be very valuable to the party. Senator Reed. If you could put it across? He didn't thmk you could put it across, did he? i -j Mr. FoLw^ELL. Well, he did not want to discourage me, so he said nothing of the kind. , Senator Reed. You talked about the $1,000 hmitation, but was there not anything said about " AVe ought to be able to raise so much jnoney" — not as a quota, but as mere discussion? Mr. FoLWELL. No, sir. Senator Reed. Nothing whatever was said about what had been raised in past campaigns and what could be done? Mr, FoLWELL. No, sir. Senator Reed. Nothing was said about these great mterests you represented here being interested in the result of the campaign ? Mr. FoLWELL. Those interests Avere mentioned, naturally. Senator Reed. As being interested? Mr. FoLAVELL. As being interested? Senator Reed. Noav, there have been a number of other promi- nent Republicans down there in Pennsylvania, have there not, from outside? . 1 Q Mr. Folaveel. You mean to come into the State ? Senator Reed. They came into the State on political pilgrimages. Mr. FoLAVELL. I do not knoAv that there have been. Senator Reed. Do you knoAv about some of the other men coming to visit Senator Penrose? . -n i Mr. FoLAVELE. No, sir. You see, the Senator was quite ill, and our intervieAvs Avere very short. i o i. Senator Reed. I knoAV. But do you knoAv about other Senators coming there to visit him ? Do you knoAv about it ? HaA^e you heard about it? Mr. FoLWELL. I knoAV nothing about it. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2675 Senator Eeed. So in all these talks Avith all these men nobody has ever said once, " AVe ought to raise this much money or that much money " ? Mr^ FoLWELL. The: e has been no definite amount. Senator Eeed. Was there an indefinite amount? Mr. FoLWELL. Well, the whole thing has been indefinite. Senator Reed. But did somebody say, We ought to raise about so much " ? Mr. FoLWELL. No ; I do not remember of that having been said. I myself have not said it; I tell you that. Senator Reed. Was there any particular reason for your steering clear of that question and all of you avoiding it as a dangerous thing? Mr. FoLAVELL. It would be rather undesirable, I imagine, in view of the publicity that has been given to the so-called slush fund. Senator Reed. Oh ! AVas it suggested, then, that in view of the publicity you had better not mention amounts ? Mr. Folwell. I may have suggested that myself. [Laughter.] But it did not come from anyone else. Senator Reed. You had that in mind, then ? Senator Edge. As a matter of fact, is it not true you were quite positive 3^ou could not raise an amount that in any way could be justifiably criticized ? Mr. Folwell. Certainly ; I have always felt that. . Senator Reed. If you raised a million dollars you Avould not think i that could be justifiably criticized if it were spent for legitimate cam- paign purposes? Mr. FoLWFLL. That is pretty far out of the range of possibilities, ' Senator. Senator Reed. Oh, I don't know ; not in view of the past. That is all. The Chairman. That is all, Mr. Folwell. TESTIMONY OF MR. JOHN L. GRAYOT. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) The Chairman. Will you please state your full name for the record, Mr. Grayot? Mr. Grayot. John L. Grayot. ' The Chairman. And where is your home, Mr. Grayot? Mr. Grayot. Madisonville, Ky. The Chairman. You are chairman of the Democratic State central committee ? Mr. Grayot. ^^o, sir; I am chairman of the State campaign com- mittee of Kentucky. The Chairman. How does that differ from the Democratic State central committee? I Mr. Grayot. We have a little different way of conducting the cam- paigns in Kentucl^y than in other States. We have a State central committee and an executive committee, and then we have in each county a chairman of an executive committee and a county committee, but when the campaign comes on for the past several years the State central and executive committees appoint a chairman of a State cam- paign committee, and he forms a campaign committee. They au- thorize him to do that. 2676 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. And you are chairman of that committee? Mr. Grayot. Yes, sir. He then has to form in each county a cam- paign committee, and the chairman of that is distinct from the county executive committee. It is a new committee entirely. The Chairman. Is that committee entirely for the purpose of rais- ing funds? Mr. Grayot. It is for the purpose of conducting the campaign in the State. The State central and State executive committee then just retire and have nothing to do except to take an interest. They have nothing to do with the actual conduct of the campaign. The Chairman. You are practically the head of the committee that is conducting the campaign ? Mr. Grayot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. What system have you for raising funds in Ken- tucky? Mr. Grayot. Well, I want to have a system — the head of the finance division planned to have county chairmen and precinct chair- men, men and women, take contributions, along the line of a dollar contribution plan. The Chairman. You have a State chairman, then, of a finance committee ? Mr. Grayot. No, sir; the gentleman I appointed is the chairman of the finance division. The Chairman. And his duty is to raise funds in each county ? Mr. Grayot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. You do not do that yourself ? Mr. Grayot. No, sir. The Chairman. Do you send out the literature, Mr. Grayot? Mr. Grayot. I send out some literature, and some he sends out. The Chairman. Do you have any list of Federal employees as distinguished from other Democrats from Avhom you solicit funds ? Mr. Grayot. Personally I do not know anything about that. Sen- ator. As I stated to you, they have had a permanent organization there with permanent headquarters for the last three or four years My information is that they have lists of all kinds — physicians, min- isters of the gospel, lawyers, and I imagine Federal emploj^ees also. I do not know whether they are classified as that, but I imagine they are in some of the lists. » The Chairman. Are the letters that are sent out soliciting funds signed by you? Mr. Grayot. I have signed some. The Chairman. That is really the reason we have called you here. A letter was presented — a copy of a letter or a picture of a letter. I will submit it to you [handing paper to witness]. Mr. Grayot. Yes, sir ; that is a letter that I sent out — that I au- thorized to be sent out. The Chairman. Was this letter a form of letter that was sent to Federal officials? Mr. Grayot. Well, I take it from one paragraph there that it was sent there. The Chairman (reading) : The fire of the Republican organization is being directed daily on the Demo- cratic administration during the past eight years. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2677 You have been a part of that organization ? Mr. Grayot. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Now, you say, " I would appreciate it if you can send me check or money order for $40, to be divided into install- ments, etc." How did you arrive at the amount that you sought to collect from the Federal officials? Mr. Grayot. I did not fix the amount, except just the general in- struction to make it a low, reasonable amount. The Chairman. Was there anything in any way assessed on sal- aries ? For instance, did you have sluj s^^stem of taking a postmaster's salary and assessing a certain per cent? Mr. Grayot. No, sir; not to my knowledge. This is no assessment, Senator. I notice that that is asked just as a contribution; I would have no authorit}^ to make an assessment. I specify the amount, be- cause I wanted it Ioav and reasonable. The Chairman. The letter seems to have been prepared with a blank place for the amount and the amount filled in. Mr. Grayot. That is my recollection of it. The Chairman. So you have those form letters for officials, with the space for the amount left blank, and that is filled in by some- body. By whom ? Mr. Grayot. I think by the secretary; I am not positive of that. I approved this letter. I authorized it to be sent out, as I stated, with this blank. Of course, just one copy of it was presented to me. 1 think the list of names was gotten from the permanent headquarters list, which I have never seen, and the amounts placed, as I understand it, at a reasonable amount. My impression is there was no percentage or anything of that kind. The Chairman. You felt there was no reason why those who were holding offices should not contribute to the campaign ? Mr. Grayot. No, sir; I did not think that because a man is a Fed- eral employee that he loses his interest in public affars, but that he should feel as much interest in the result of the campaigTi as , anybody else. The Chairman. I think that is true. The point I was trying to get at is whether you had this system of certain amounts being col- lected from different Federal employees. You seem to have had a form letter that was used for employees, and that seems to have been left blank and then filled in as to the amount. , Mr. (jRAYOT. I do not think there was any definite percentage or anything of that kind, nor do I know whether these gentlemen who filled that out — whether that was filled out from the headquarters — whether they knew the salaries. I did not, and I do not Imow whether they knew them or whether they just fixed the amounts along that line. The Chairman. I will ask to have this placed in the record. (The letter referred to is here printed in full, as follows :) Democratic State Campaign Co^r puttee, Louisville, Ky., August SO, 1920. My Dear Sir: As you have probably noticed from the public press, the 'Uepublicun canipaiji:n couiiniU' e is atteuiptinc; to raise an enormous sum of money to carry the country for the Republican Party in November. 2678 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The fire of the Kepiihlican organizatH)n is heing directed daily on the Demo- ' cratic adiiiinistratioii during the past eight years. The Democrats can point with pride to the competency of each department of the Government under their control during the eight years they have been '"You have heen a part of that organization and have helped to contribute to the success of the party in the administration of the governmental functions^ in the department to which you belong. , Till Deinocrats do not hope or desire to raise the millions that their opponents are attempting to raise, but there are many necessary expenses in connection with the c(m(luct of the campaign that must be met. ^ I am endeavoring to obtain funds to finance this campaign from a laige nuiiu hpr of contributions in small sums. It is a little more than 60 days until the election, and it is necessary that the campaign organization know as early as possible the amount of funds avail- able to pay the legitimate expenses of the campaign. I am depending on you to help in having the present Democratic administration indorsed by making a small contribution. ^ i -p cin fr. I would appreciate it if you can send me check or money order foi S)?40, to be divided into installments during the months of September and October, m such proportions as you see fit. Yours, respectfully, ^^^^ ^ CamiKiign Cha irma n. P. S.— Make all checks payable to John L. Grayot, chairman. Mr Grayot. I just want to say to you that the amounts collected from that have been— in fact, the total contributions we have re- ceived from any source now are less than $11,000. The Chairman. For the whole State? Mr. Grayot. For the entire State. The Chairman. Does that go to the national committee or to the ^^Mr 'grayot. No, sir; that goes to the State. We have less than $10,000 to run the campaign on in a State the size of Kentucky, and the fight we have on there now is what made some ot these .gray hairs in my head. ^ . ^ ... . Senator 'Edge. Do we understand there is an additional solicita- tion made by the national committee? .,,1 X Mr Grayot So far as I know, the national committee has not solicited a thing in my State. I have no information of that kind ^*^The Chairman. What you are trying to do is to raise a sufficient fund to carry on an activ'e campaign in Kentucky? Mr. Grayot. Yes. ^ n i p i -f The Chairman. That requires a good deal of money, does it ^^Mr Grayot. To put on a campaign to be very effective, in this day of automobiles and good roads and with the women voting would require a right nice sum of money for the legitimate expense of o-etting the vote to the polls. i The Chairman. And the cost of publication m newspapers and the cost of everything has gone up? . , . , , Mr GRAYOT.jThe cost of everything is high there. The Chairman. What would you figure— you seem to be a very fair man— would be a reasonable sum to carry on your campaign in the State of Kentucky— a legitimate campaign such as you would like to carry on ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2679 Mr. Grayot. That is a little hard, because if we attempted to finance all the counties it would require more than if we did not. Eaising money in Kentucky among the Democrats is an entirely I different proposition from Avhat it is in a great many other States. { It is very hard to do. The moneyed interests in the main are against j us in the State, and we have to depend largely on the $1, $2, $5, $25, ; $30, $40, and $50 men. Senator Edge. Can you recall what you raised four years ago? Mr. Grayot. I had no connection with the campaign. Senator Edge. Do you know wdiat it was two years ago? Mr. Grayot. No. The Chairman. What is your business ? Mr. Grayot. I am an attorney at law. I would say, I would be =f delighted if we could raise forty or fifty or sixty thousand dollars. ' I think it would take that to put on the kind of campaign I would like to put on. The Chairman. I suppose you could use $100,000 legitimately in the campaign ? Mr. Grayot. Legitimately? Yes, sir; I think we could. The Chairman. And if you could raise that much money you would be glad to raise it and use it? Mr. Grayot. Yes, sir. I could use it, but I have not the faintest ( hope of being able to do it. ■ Senator Edge. Are you in touch more or less with the efforts of the Republican committee there in raising their fund? Mr. Grayot. I have some information from reliable people regard- ( ing the raising of campaign funds by the Republicans in the city of Louisville. I understand that they have some 400 policemen that t they assess $25 apiece. Senator Edge. Of course, unless you know these things Mr. Grayot. No ; I do not know them. Senator Reed. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Folvvell has been kind enough to come back, and as he wants to catch his train I would like to ask him a feAV questions now. The Chairman. Very well. We are through with Mr. Grayot. TESTIMONY OF MR. W. H. FOLWELL— Recalled. Senator Reed. Mr. Folwell, do you know of an association of man- ufacturers in Philadelphia? Mr. FoLAVELL. There is a Pennsylvania manufacturers' association, and we have a number of trade associations in Philadelphia. Senator Reed. Is there a man named Grundy connected with it? Mr. FoLAVELL. Yes sir ; he is president, I believe. Senator Reed. Are you a member of that association ? ( Mr. Folwell. I believe our firm is. Senator Reed. Do you know whether that association is raising ' some money? Mr. Folwell. Well, I think not. Senator Reed. You have not heard anything of that kind ? Mr. FoLAVELL. I haA^e heard of no association effort to raise money. Senator Reed. HaA^e you heard of any effort outside of the one you are making? 2680 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. FoLAVELL. Well, there is the Harding and Coolidge committee. Senator Reed. There is a Harding and Coolidge committee in Pennsylvania ? Mr. FoLWELL. Yes, sir. Senator Eeed. Raising money? Mr. FoLAVELL. I believe that is what they are formed for. Senator Reed. Who is at the head of the Harding and Coolidge committee ? Mr. FoLWELL. Mr. George W. Coles. Senator Reed. Where does he live? Mr. FoLWELL. In Philadelphia, I believe. Senator Reed. Do you know anything about the composition of this committee? Mr. FoLWELL. Well, they have a list of names, and they asked me to accept membership on it, and I told them I would. Senator Reed. When was it they asked you to do that? Mr. FoLWELL. About three or four days ago. Senator Reed. Do you know how large a list of names they have? Mr. FoLWELL. I think, as I remember it, about 50, Senator. Senator Reed. Are they prominent men there — men of influence and money? Mr. FoLWELL. I believe so. Senator Reed. Some of them engaged in manufacturing? Mr. Folwell. I believe so. Senator Reed. You were asked to take a membership on it. What were they going to do? Raise money for the national committee? Mr. FoLWELL. I just got an invitation. Senator Reed. Did you understand they were going to raise money for the national committee? Mr. FoLWELL. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Did it occur to you that you would be called upon to undertake the organization of a committee to raise money for the national committee, and at the same time there would be a Harding and Coolidge committee to do exactly the same sort of thing in the same territory? Mr. FoLWELL. Well, I do not know about that. I thousfht that this was a sort of local — I do not know anything about the Harding and Coolidge committee. Senator Reed. Well, is it local or does it cover the State ? Mr. Folwell. I do not really know how large its scope is. Senator Reed. Do you know how much money they have raised ? Mr. Folwell. No, sir. Senator Reed. Do you know what their plan of organization is? Mr. Folwell. No, sir. Senator Reed. What was said to you when they asked you to affiliate yourself with it? Mr. Folwell. Just an engraved invitation. Senator Reed. HaA^e you that invitation? Mr. Folwell. No, sir. Senator Reed. Did they have a meeting? Mr. Folavell. I am not sure ; I was not iuAdted to it. Senator Reed. When AA^ere the}^ to meet ? Mr. Folavell. I do not knoAV, Senator. Senator Reed. Where Avere they to meet? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2681 Mr. FoLWELL. I do not know that. Senator Reed. AVhat was on this engraved invitation ? Mr. FoLWELL. You are respectfully invited, or cordially invited, to become a member of the Harding and Coolidge committee," or something to that effect, and tlien followed a list of names. Just a formal invitation. Senator Reed. Who is the treasurer of that? Do you know? Mr. FoLWELL. No ; I do not really remember. Senator Reed. Well, it is a committee to raise money? Mr. FoLWELL. That is my belief, Senator. Senator Reed. Do you know of any other committees down there to raise mone}^? Mr. Folwell. I do not. Senator Reed. This invitation you received only three or four days ago. Has the meeting been held yet? * Mr. Folwell. I think they had" a meeting some time ago, before I was invited. Senator Reed. Probably there was a meeting, and you and others, perhaps, were invited at the same time? Mr. Folwell. I think so. Senator Reed. Mr. Coles is the president. Do you know who else is in it? Mr. Folwell. JNo, sir. Senator Reed. Do you know the secretary? Mr. Folwell. I do not. Senator Reed. What is Mr. Coles's business? Mr. Folwell. I really do not know. ^ Senator Reed. Is he a prominent man there ? Mr. Lolwell. I could not answer that. Senator. Senator Reed. It is a large city, and this individual you do not know? Mr. Folwell. That is it. Senator Reed. Well, that is what I wanted to find out. Thank you. The Chairman. We will hear Mr. Du Pont. TESTIMONY OF ME. T. COLEMAN DU PONT. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) Senator Reed. Mr. Du Pont, are you in any way connected with the Republican national committee? Mr. Du Pont. Yes ; I am one of them. Senator Reed. You are a member from what State ? Mr. Du Pont. Delaware. Senator Reed. You are engaged now in what lines of activity? Mr. Du Pont. Well, practically none, sir. I have not been in busi- ^! ness for six or eight years. Senator Reed. But you have investments? Mr. Du Pont. Yes. I Senator Reed. Do you have any investments outside of these large !' hotels that you are interested in? Mr. Du Pont. Oh, yes. Senator Reed. What companies? 2682 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Dij Pont. There is a street raihvay, and motors Senator Reed. What motors? Mr. Du I*0NT. General Motors — and steel Senator Reed. What is the name? • Mr. Du Pont. United States Steel, Replogle Steel, and Vana- dium Steel. I happen to have three. I used to be in the steel busi- ness, and know something about it. I have some railroad stock. Senator Reed. Any steamship lines? Mr. Du Pont. No, sir — I say none ; practically none. Senator Reed. How long have you been connected with the Repub- lican national committee? Mr. Du Pont. Since 1904 or 1908. Senator Reed. Are you connected in any way Avith advertising in foreign-language newspapers? Mr. Du Pont. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. W^hat is that connection? Mr. Du Pont. If it won't bore you, I can give you the whole story. Senator Reed. Well, briefly. Mr. Du Pont. I can only give it to you generally, because I do not know the details. A little over two years ago the question was brought up one day, " What can you do in an effort to abate the unrest among many of our foreign born ? " I reported that to a lady by the name of Miss Keller. She came in a day or two later ancl said, "Are you inter- ested?" I said, "Very much." Out of that grew an organization known as the Interracial Coun- cil. That Interracial Council was formulated to increase interest in America among our foreign born and to do what we could by music and moving pictures and things of that kind to make our foreign born know and like America better. After going along a few months it was thought desirable that a connection be made with foreign-language newspapers, through which channel we might get at these foreign-born citizens, or aliens, in their language and more quickly. About that time an organization called the American Association of Foreign Language Newspapers — that is nearly right — was offered for sale, and it w^as thought by those interested in the Interracial Council that that would be a way of getting in with the papers to spread the propaganda for Americanism. I did not feel at that time that the Interracial Council could afford to take it over. It' was young. We had underwritings of $100,000 to start the Interracial Council, with the understanding that it would be and Avas capable of being put on a business basis, at which time the $100,000 was to be returned. Senator Reed. That is the Interracial Council ? Mr. Du Pont. That is the Interracial Council. Knowing that we were skating on not very thick ice, I said, therefore, " The Inter- racial Council can not buy this." So a number of gentlemen put up the necessary money — two or three of them connected with the Inter- racial Council — and did this as a business proposition. Senator Reed. That is, they bought the Association of Foreign Language Newspapers? Mr. Du Pont. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Was that a corporation? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2683 Mr. Du Pont. Yes, sir. Senator Eeed. Did it own neAvspapers? Mr. Du PcxT. No ; it is an advertising agency. Senator Reed. Wlio were the two or three gentlemen that put up that money ? Mr. Di- Pont. The, Interracial Council put up $25,000, Avhich I loaned it. I put up some. Mr. Thompson put up some. Two men who are connected with Louis Hammerling put up some. Miss Keller put up some, representing some down-toAvn interests. Senator Reed. Do you know what the down-town interests are that she represented? Mr. Du Pont. No ; I am not sure. I suspect, but I do not know. [ Senator Reed. I want to go back for a moment to the Interracial : Council. Is that a corporation? Mr. Du Pont. I think it is an association. Senator Reed. You say it Avas underwritten to the extent of : $100,000? Mr. Du Pont. Yes ; that is, it was estimated that the expenses for the year would be $100,000, and Avhen we got started our plan was to go to your factory, say, and for every foreign-born person in it you would put in as a member 50 cents a year, for which you would get service in the way of lectures, and so on. Those payments were supposed to be enough at the end of the year to pay back the $100,000. Senator Reed. That Avas the Avay you thought you could put it upon a business basis? Mr. Du Pont. Yes ; I did. Then, coming along farther, we thought it Avould be very good to haA^e these foreign laiiguage newspapers through Avhich to get anything Ave thought should be printed, in Yid- dish or any of the other languages, before the public. Senator Reed. Hoav can you get this printed matter before the public by virtue of controlling an advertising agency ? Mr. Du Pont. By becoming more closely associated Avith the own- ers of the papers. Senator Reed. That is, this advertising agency, the American For- eign Language NeAvspaper Association, controlled a very large body of the advertising that would go into these papers? Mr. Du Pont. No : not much of it. Just as the neAvs agencies do, : they offer it, and for that they get a commission. ■ ; iSenator Reed. They collect a large body of advertising—; — j - Mr. Du Pont. And giA^e it to the various newspapers. , Senator Reed. And then they allocate it, or make arrangements ! with the papers to print it ' Mr. Du Pont. To print it. Senator Reed. And so, a neAvspaper desiring that patronage, that custom j: ; Mr. Du Pont. Or trade. , ' Senator Reed. Or trade — could be influenced to put in matter that * you desiretl to haA^e put in tending to educate these foreign-born people to patriotic ideals? Mr. Du Pont. They Avould be asked to put it in. Senator Reed. Yes ; and you thought that by getting this — that Avas ' your object in getting it— you Avould put yourselves in such touch 2684 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. with them that you could induce them, then, to help you carry on this propaganda ? Mr. Du Pont. No ; I would not say " induce," but by reason of com- ing in contact with them and knowing them and having relationships with them you could practically say to them, " Now, here is a piece that I wish you would translate into German, or some other language, and print in your paper, if you have no objection." Senator Reed. So the real object in getting hold of the Foreign Language Newspaper Association was to be in a position where you could Mr. Du Pont. Spread Americanism. Senator Reed. To put yourself in a position where 3^ou could exer- case this influence or persuasion Mr. Du Pont. Let us put it this way — that the feeling between us would be better. Senator Reed. Yes; and therefore you could get in these articles? Mr. Du Pont. Of course we took a chance on that. Senator Reed. Yes ; I understand. You could get in these articles favorable to the ideas you were promulgating. And I suppose, of course, you recognized this, if I understand you, that if a man came to you and asked for business, and you had control of the letting of that business, out of which he would make some money, naturally, when in turn you said to him, " Here is an article we would like to have put in this paper," and it was a good and proper article, you felt you would be pretty likely to get it in ? Mr. Du Pont. AVell, I can not go that far. I Avish that were true. Senator Reed. But you can at least go some distance ? Mr. Du Pont. No. I felt this. I thought our relationship would be so much closer tliat we would have an advantage by reason of that relationshi]) that we v/ould not otherwise have. Senator Reed. And, of course, if 3^ou did not give them the adver- tising Mr. Du Pont. Oh, we had to. I mean, if you came to me and told me to put this in that paper I would have to do it. Senator Reed. Yes ; if I said, ^' Put this in that particular paper." Mr. Du Pont. They usually say what paper they shall go in, be- cause an Italian does not like to have his matter put into a Jewish paper. Senator Reed. But there are different Italian papers, of course. Now, you were not in a chimerical thing; you were in something that while it was not hard and fast you expected to function and bring you some results ? Mr. Du Pont. I think 3'our deduction is not only reasonable but logical, that by reason of our association with these people Ave felt that our scheme to — let me say Americanize the foreign — would be helped. Senator Reed. Now, when you got hold of this Association of For- eign Language Newspapers — I want to identify it ; that is the same association that Mr. Ilammerling had been connected with? Mr. Du Pont. Yes ; it was one he had owned and controlled before that time. Senator Reed. And he had left the countr}^, I think ? Mr. Du Pont. I do not know about that. ^ He did not immediately, because I saw him two or three months after. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2685 i Senator Keed. Well, there has been some effort made to ^et the foreign-language ne^Yspapers to help the Republican Party in this campaign, has there not ? Mr. DiT Pont. Xot that I know of. And I would know about it, I feel sure. Senator Reed. Does this association supply most of the advertis- ing to the foreign-language newspapers? Mr. Du PoxT. Why it is one of the largest. Senator Reed. Do you knoAv of any other of any size at all ? Mr. Du Pont. I know there are two others, but I do not know what they are. There are two other large ones and a number of small ones. There are three large ones, and this is one of the three. Senator Reed. Do you know of any articles being inserted in the foreign-language newspapers of an}^ political character in the last few months? Mr. Du Pont. No, sir. Senator Reed. You have had nothing to do with it. Mr. Du Pont. I do not know either way ; I do not know" that they are or are not. Senator Reed. Have you anything to do with the raising of money in this campaign ? Mr. Du Pont. Xo. Senator Reed. You are not a member of any committee that has anything to do with that ? Mr. Du Pont. Yes; I was a member of the ways and means com- mittee, and met with them their first two or three meetings. Maybe six months ago — I don't know; last winter — I was made chairman of the finance committee. The finance committee has never had a meeting, and I never performed any duties as chairman. I met with the ways and means committee their first two or three meetings, at the time this $1,000 limit was to be tried out, and I strongly recom- mended it. Since that time I have not met with them. Senator Reed. Have you ever had any agent or representative or any man connected with you to undertake to acquire an interest in the Stars and Stripes ? Mr. Du Pont. No. I saw that in the papers this morning — the first I heard of it. Senator Reed. Do you remember the gentleman's name ? You saw it in the paper. Mr. Du Pont. No ; I do not. Senator Edge. Mr. Waldo ; he is here ready to testify. Senator Reed. This is Mr. Waldo [indicating] sitting here. Mr. Du Pont. I know liim; but the name in the paper was Heffer- . nan, was it not ? Senator Edge. Mr. Heffernan was the jrentleman who testified. Senator Reed. You do not know Mr. Waldo at all ? ^ Mr. Du Pont. Oh, yes. He worked for the Interracial Council and for foreign-language newspapers for three or four months, I think. Senator Reed. But you had no talk with him about acquiring an interest in the Stars and Stripes? Mr. Du Pont. No ; I had not. Senator Reed. All right; that is all I wanted to ask, Mr. Du Pont. There is a gentleman here from North Carolina. 2686 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. TESTIMONY OF MR. CLARENCE R. PUGH. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) Senator Reed. Please give your full name and address. Mr. Pfgh. Clarence R. Pugh, Elizabeth City, N. C. Senator Reed. What is your occupation? Mr. PuGH. A lawyer. Senator Reed. What is your political connection? Mr. PuGH. Connection? Senator Reed. You are a Republican in politics? Mr. PuGH. I am a Republican; yes, sir. Senator Reed. Are 3^ou connected with any committee of the Re- publican Party? Mr. PuGH. AYell, I am vice chairman of our State executive com- mittee. Senator Reed. How lono- have you held that position? Mr. ir'uGir. Since last January or P^ebruary, Senator. Senator Reed. Do you know Mr. Hays? Mr. PuGH. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Did you ever meet him in Chicago ? Mr. 1 UGH. No ; T did not. Senator Reed. Where did 3^ou meet him? Mr. PuGH. Well, I have met him on more than one occasion; one time in Greensborough, in our State, one time in New York, and several times here in Washington. Senator Reed. I am referrinc: to a meeting that occurred within the last six or seven months. Where have you seen him during that time? Mr. PuGH. I have seen him in Chicago and 1 have seen him here and I have seen him in New York in the last six or seven months. ■Senator Reed. Do you remember having met Mr. Hays and then havincf a political conference in your own city after that conference with Mr. Hays ? Mr. PxiGH. I have neA^er met Mr. Hays in my own city; he was never there. Senator Reed. I do not mean that. Did you ever m.eet Mr. Hays and then afterwards have a conference in your own city with the Republicans of North Carolina? Mr. PuGH. Never in my life. Senator Reed. Did you have a meeting down there — your county is Pasquotank? Mr. PuGH. Pasquotank Count}^; yes, sir. Yes, sir; we have had political meetings down there. Senator Reed. On the 21st day of February, 1920, did you have a meeting there ? Mr. PuGH. Yes, sir. Senator; about that time — of Republicans. Senator Edge. Did you have enough Republicans there to have a real meeting? Mr. PuGH. Yes, sir. We voted 120,000 of them the last election for governor in that State. Senator Reed. What Avas this meeting that you had down there? Mr. PuGH. This was a county convention. Senator Reed, for the purpose of electing delegates to the congressional and State con- ventions. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2687 Senator Reed. How long before that meeting had you last seen Mr. Hays? Mr. PuGH. About a week or two weeks ; I would not say specifically. The time you are having reference to, February 6. ^^enator Reed. Where did you meet him ? Mr. PuGH. In New York. Senator Reed. How did you come to be there to see him? Mr. PuGH. A conference was arranged with Mr. Plays between our • national committeeman and myself. Senator Reed. Your national committeeman was who ? Mr. PuGH. John M. Moorehead. Mr. Moorehead was sick and did not go. I did not know that until I got there and found he was not there. Senator Reed. At this county meeting in North Carolina was Col. I. M. Meakins there? Mr. PuGH. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. William H. Keaton ? Mr. PuGH. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. J. W. Johnston? Mr. PuGH. Yes, sir. ' Senator Reed. They are all reputable citizens down there ? Mr. PuGH. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. Did you make a report or statement there at that meeting, whether it was a county convention or whatever it was, at a meeting where these gentlemen were present, of a conference you had with Mr. Hays? Mr. PuGH. I alluded to having had a conference with Mr. Haj^s. Senator Reed. Did you tell them in substance and effect that yon had informed Mr. Hays that there was a large number of unorgan- ized textile workers in North Carolina? Do you remember discuss- ing that ? Did you tell them about that ? Mr. PuGH. I don't know that I said that specifically. I was mak- ing a speech, or, rather, talking to these 32, to be specific — that is what they were in number — Republicans at that convention. I was called down to make a little talk, and I was j^iving them some of the figures with which we had to deal in the North Carolina political field. Senator Reed. Had you discussed this question of the unorgan- ized or the desirability of organizing the textile workers in your State with Mr. Hays? ' ^ Mr. PuGH. I don't think I ever mentioned textile workers to Mr. ij Hays in my life. Senator Reed. Did you discuss with Mr. Hays the question of or- . ganizing in your State at all? I Mr. PuGii. No, sir; I should say not. j Senator Reed. Did you go with Mr. Hays anywhere in an auto- mobile in New York on the occasion of your visit there ? ^ Mr. PuGH. I did not, never did in my life, and never said I did. j Senator Reed. Did you accompany Mr. Hays where you visited 1 some New York gentlemen ? \ Mr. PuGH. The only man I met while in conference with Mr. i Ha ys was Lieut. Col. Roosevelt, and he came in the office and Mr. ' Hays introduced me to him. i 182774— 20— PT 20 5 2688 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Reed. I am referring- Mr. PuGH. I know what you are referring to all the way along. Senator Reed. How do you know ? Mr. PuGir. Because I know who is responsible for having me called up here, and I have the newspaper file right here that I want to lodge with this committee, to show that all this has been thrashed out in my State. It is just fomenting a row between two Republicans, and that is all there is in it. I suppose I should not have added all of that. Senator Reed. That is all right. This is a kind of free-for-all place, and you were kind of nice to' me when I was down there. Well, you agree with me on one question Mr. PuGH. A good many questions. Senator. Senator Reed. Which shows, at least, that every man has his virtues. Now, this statement was made to me, and I am gomg to read it to you and ask you whether it is true or not, or any part of it : At a convention of the Republicans of Pasquotank County, N. C, held on February 21, 1920, Mr. C. R. Pugh, at that time Republican campaign manager in North Carolina, made a statement substantially as follows: " The chances for a Republican victory in North Carolina are fine if the plans which have been outlined are carried out. " I was in conference with Mr. Will Hays at his office in New York City on February 6, at which time I went into details with him in regard to our plans for North Carolina. I told Mr. Hays that there are probably 40,000 unorganized textile workers in North Carolina, and that these textile workers could be or- ganized in the interest of Republican success. " Mr. Hays declared that my idea was fine, and he took me in his automobile to the office of a wealthy New Yorker who owns a chain of cotton mills in North Carolina, whose name I will not call. We explained our plan and the manu- facturer was elated. He drew his check for $50,000 and gave it to Mr. Hays, together with a list of his mill superintendents in North Carolina, and told us to get busy." Mr. Pugh's statement was made in the presence of probably 25 or 30 men. Among those who heard him and have recalled his statement are Col. I. M. Meekins, William H. Keaton, and J. W. Johnson, all reputable citizens of Eliza- beth City, N. C. What have you got to say about that? Mr. Pugh. I never made a statement like that m my life. Senator Reed. Well, are any of the statements contamed m the declaration which I have read true? Mr. Pugh. Yes, sir; some of the facts. Senator Reed. Tell us what are facts and Avhat are not; Mr Pugh. I will be right frank with you, without quibbling. I had had a conference with Mr. Hays on February 6 with respect to the political situation in North Carolina. It was planned that our national committeeman should have been there with me. Pie was sick and could not be there, but I did not know that until I got there. Being there, naturally I met Mr. Hays and we talked over North Carolina possibilities. The question of the organization was not "^Tn^my^own way I began to give him some figures which I had privately collected in North Carolina. Among those figures I began to show how many Republican seats we had in the legislature, how many doubtful counties we have in the State, and the possibility ot carrying those doubtful counties, and the utter lack of organization along all lines in our State. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2689 And then — I don't say I admit I did and I don't say I didn't, but I may have alhided to some 30,000 unorganized workers in the factories of our State. That is a fact, and I had those figures. I may have alluded — I don't say I did and I don't say I didn't, but these were figures which I had and still have about the fact that there were a great number of negroes, always a bugaboo in the South, that were coming in under suffrage, and that was one of the problems both parties had to deal with, and that the Democrats had been re- sponsible for getting the negro out of politics, and the few that voted in North Carolina voted the Democratic ticket, and it looked to me like the thing to do was to leave the negro problem to the Democrats, who were voting them. That is about all I could have said to Mr. Hays that mentioned textile workers unorganized or that mentioned negroes. I did not meet any wealthy gentlemen. I saw no check. No check was men- tioned. I did not solicit funds. No amount with respect to carry- ing on the campaign in North Carolina was mentioned either by me or Mr. Hays. Senator Keed. And no money or checks or drafts were turned over to you? Mr. PuGH. Nor mentioned. Senator Eeed. Nor even mentioned? Mr. PuGH. Not even mentioned. Senator. That is the Hays con- ference of February 6. Senator Eeed. And when you went back to this convention you did not say anything about having— — Mr. PuGH. When I went back to our convention I dealt in a speech with the figures in the State, and recounted these figures. I know I mentioned these figures in my talk at home and, as I say, I may have recounted them to Mr. Hays. But I did not say I had so told Mr. Hays. I did not refer to $50,000 being given or even men- tioned. Senator Reed. Nor any other sum of money? Mr. PuGH. Nor any other sum of money. Now, Senator, here is how this came about. Senator Reed. Go ahead. Mr. PuGH. It is just fair to the other fellow, and I have spent my life excusing other folks. Col. Meekins is a Republican in my dis- trict, 12 years older than I am. I have never received nor solicited one cent of money from Mr. Hays or anyone for myself or for the Republican Party to be used for campaign purposes. Furthermore, I have never had any money promised me by any one for such pur- pose. Furthermore, I have never said that money was either prom- ised or given me for such purpose. There is a Republican in my town who seems to object to the recognition I have received in party councils and by party leaders. This " rot," the subject matter of this inquiry, was started at the time that this gentleman and I were contesting for election to the district delegate's place in the national convention. This party seems to use a certain newspaper, called the Independent, of which W. O. Saunders is editor, printed in my town, at his will and pleasure, although this paper — and I have them here with me — will show also the at'tack that both the newspaper and my fellow Republican made upon me. They licked me by four votes as a delegate. In turn the 2690 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. State convention made me an alternate at large, and it worked around so that I cast a vote for Senator Harding on the last two ballots. Nothing further was said of this negro stuff and textile slush until last week it was learned that I had been urgently called to State head- quarters, to remain there through the remainder of the campaign. Then this Independent editor, W. O, Saunders, was hurried off to Washington, D. C, to tell this committee a wonderful story of a slush fund being used, for no other purpose, in my opinion, than to tr}^ to intimidate me and shake the faith which the party leaders imposed in me. We shall see whether they succeed. Now, gentlemen of the committee, there is nothing to this but a little row, which happens quadrennially in certain sections of the South by old referee-system politicians, who seek to keep the party from growing under the leadership of young men, simply to hold the organization in their grasp and use it for appointive power. This applies to both parties in the South. It is a sad comment on the politics of the South. That is all I Imow. The Chairman. Let us see some of those papers. This is very interesting. Mr. PuGH. I happen to own a newspaper, which I had to buy in self-defense, and this newspaper answers those, and so we have nice reading material down in that neck of the woods. Incidentally, all of the Democratic lawyers of my town carry legal advertisements in the Eepublican newspaper and do not give a dollar's worth to the Independent Democrat. The Chairman. Is this paper for the League of Nations? Mr. PuGH. No, sir. He is against Mr. Wilson. He has attacked Mr. Wilson. Senator Eeed knows something about our hopes down there. Senator Reed. I don't see why you bring me into this thing. Mr. PuGH. You dragged me up here. Senator Reed. Well, I will say to you, Mr. Pugh, that under these circumstances I am very sorry that you were dragged up here. The statement was made positively that these matters were facts. Mr. Pugh. I have the name here of every man who was present at that famous negro and textile speech that I made. The affidavit which you have is signed by seven of Col. Meekins's Senator Reed. No; you are mistaken. Let me put you right. This is not an affidavit. Mr. Pugh. Well, it is in this paper an3^way ; I assumed you had it. It is signed by Col. Meekins, and then one of his brothers signed it. That is No. 2. Three others are members of his Sunday school class. That is five. No. 6 is the manager of his farm. The other man he has promised a janitor's place in the post office, so I am informed. The Chairman. How large a Sunday school class does he have? Mr. Pugh. i don't know, sir. I am a Methodist and don't go to his church. That is 7 out of 32. I have an affidavit signed by 20 of the 32 who say I didn't say what the 5 say I said. Senator Reed. Have you the affidavit with you? Mr. Pugh. I think I have it here. [Producing various papers.] Now, there is a suit filed against me in the colonel's libel proceed- ings, which he seemed to withdraw before this situation got very far along — all about this negro and textile stuff. PRESIDENTIAL. CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2691 No, I don't have that affidavit here; but I have the affidavit, and, it is proper you should have it, sir. Senator Eeed. I thought you said it was in the newspaper. Mr. PuGH. Not my reply. They tried to smoke out my reply in the newspaper, but I have got it. The Chairman. You do not seem to be worried about this libel suit. Mr. PuGH. I am not worried about any of it ; only I hate to see this committtee of United States Senators recognizing a little fight in the first district of North Carolina between two very small and humble Republicans when it is fostered by the editor of an independent news- paper who advocates his democracy on a trash can, printed on the side of it, W'hich trash can is located in front of the Federal Building in my town. I have not that affidavit here, but I shall send it to you. Senator Eeed. I wrnt you to have that, sir. Senator Reed. Of course, the committee is not interested in this local quarrel. I did not know you had one. Mr. PuGH. That is all it is, and we are getting along with it fine. The Ciiair:\l\x. What is this in The Independent ? " Citizens' committee heads have a stormy affair. Recrudescence of old-time feeling." Mr. PuGH. The citizens waited upon both Col. Meekins and myself to stop this fight in the newspapers; just after I had bought my newspaper to defend myself, they decided it was time to quit. Of course, I signed it after he did. But I am still vice chairman, and I am going to take charge next Sunday morning and go to work in a good cause on a holy day. Senator Reed. I think that is all. The Chairman. I think it is unfortunate you were brought here. Mr. PuGH. I would like to apologize to the committee for coming, but the word " subpoena " was mentioned in the telegram, so I thought I had better come on. Senator Reed. I have placed that statement in the record and will let it stand, not as an assertion of truth but as the reason why the committee subpoenaed Mr. Pugh. That is all, Mr. Pugh. TESTIMONY OF MK. EDWAED E. BEITTON. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) The Chairman. Mr. Britton, what is your business ? Mr. Britton. Private secretary to the Secretary of the Navy. The Chairman. We have been informed you desire to make some statement. Mr. Britton. I do. My reason is this : I found in the Baltimore I Sun yesterday morning, and also the papers in my State of North Carolina, that I had been connected with using Government funds in my trip to San Francisco. It was also stated in the Baltimore paper that I had accompanied Secretary Daniels on a battleship; that we had gone on a battleship to the convention. I heard that I was to be r subp(Bnaed to the com.mittee, but I have received no subpoena. I - learned the committee was to adjourn to-day, and I just wanted to 2692 PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. be heard by the committee to say that my expenses to San Francisco were paid absolutely by myself. Neither the Navy Department nor the United States Government had anything to do with it. I Avas the social secretary of the Democratic convention in Chicago, the social secretary in 1916 in St. Louis, and in 1912 in Baltimore, and I have ahvays been active in Democratic councils ever since I became of age. I want to say for Secretary Daniels that he did not go to the na- tional convention on a battleship; that he went on a railroad, the Baltimore & Ohio ; that his ticket, including his Pullman, and so on, from Washington, cost $233, paid for by his private check ; that from there on he continued his trip on official business, and I really thought that the whole expenses might have been charged to the Government, because he was going to Alaska on a coal inquiry- for the Govern- ment. But he held differently, and paid his entire expenses to San Francisco. Neither one of us used Government money in that manner. I only want to make that statement because of the statement in my home papers. I did not find it in the Washington papers, though. The Chairman. There has been no statement before the committee that you went to San Francisco at Government expense. Mr. Britton. It was so stated in the Baltimore Sun. The Chairman. I think there has been no such statement before the committee. Mr. Britton. I just wanted to make that clear. There is with Mr. F. S. Curtis, of the Navy Department. I would like him to be heard next. The Chairman. Is that all you care to say ? If so, we would like to ask you a question or two. How many of the employees of the Navy Department, if you can tell us, went to San Francisco ? Mr. Britton. The only other employee of the Navy Department I saw at San Francisco was Mr. Camalier. He is secretary to Assist- ant Secretary Roosevelt. The Chairman. Did he go at Government expense? Mr. Britton. I do not know. The Chairman. We have heard a good deal about the battleships. Since you have brought it up, we would like to know about them. Mr. Britton. I saw it in the paper that you subpoenaed me for that purpose. The Chairman. We did not subpoena you for that. Mr. Britton. You said you would subpoena us — the Baltimore Sun said so. The Chairman. The Baltimore Sun shed more light on it than we did. There were a number of battleships out there? Mr. Britton. A number. The Chairman. How many? Mr. Britton. I went on board one of them at San Diego— just went out and went on one of the ships. They were open to visitors. They were in the harbor. I just went on board with a party of friends. The Chairman. Secretary Daniels went right through to San Francisco ? Mr. Britton. He went through to San Francisco. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2693 The Chairman. Did he go from San Diego to San Francisco on a battleship ? Mr. Britton. I so understood. His ticket was purchased here to San Francisco via San Diego and Los Angeles. The Chairman. Do you know how many went up on the battle- ship from San Diego ? Mr. Britton. I have no idea. I was at San Francisco at the time. I reached there on the morning of the 24th of June. The Chairman. Was there a battleship there then? Mr. Britton. The New M exico^ I believe. The Chairman. After the convention they went on the battleship to Alaska ? Mr. Britton. I do not know anything about after the convention about where the party went. I heard that Secretary Daniels had left and gone into Alaska with Secretary of the Interior Payne to look over the matter of coal. The Chairman. Did they not go from San Francisco ? Mr. Britton. I do not know. I do not know when he left. I was not attached to the staff of Secretary Daniels at all. At the time I was on my leave of absence. The Chairman. I understood you to say that they went on from San Francisco to Alaska on official business. The Britton. That is my understanding only from the papers, be- cause I had a vacation period then. The Chairman. The Providence Journal had a report on that. Did you see that ? Mr. Britton. I did not. The Chairman. I will read the headline : Secretary Daniels's vacation trip costs Public Treasury .$65,000. Use of wMrsbips to transport party along Pacific coast on Alaska tour makes heavy, expense. It costs the Government $7,414 to get Mr. Daniels and his guests from San Francisco to Seattle, $57,457 from Seattle to' Alaska and return. No Govern- ment projects under way call for Secretary's personal presence in Pacific waters. What have you to say to that ? Mr. Britton. Nothing at all, because I know nothing of it. The Chairman. Do you not linow whetlier the party went from San Fiancisco to Seattle? Mr. Britton. Only from what I have seen in the newspapers; because, as I say, I was on my vacation period, and I left Washington 10 days before the Secretary. The Chairman. But 3^ have been back and heard talk about it since? ^Ir. Britton. Not in the Navy Department ; only what I have seen in the newspapers. The Chairman. You have told us about buying a ticket — getting a ticket back to San Francisco. How do you know that if you do not know anything about this other? Mr. Britton. Because in the office of the Secretary we keep his check book, and all checks are made in the office and attended to by the men in the office. The Chairman. Were there any checks to cover the trip to Alaska ? Mr. Britton. No. 2694 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. Was that official business in Alaska? Mr. BiiiTTON. I suppose that he went up to Alaska with Secretary Payne. The Chairman. You understand it to be a fact that they went up to Alaska ? Mr. Britton. I understand it from reading it in the newspapers, Senator. The Chairman. Do you understand how many went on the ship ? Mr. Britton. I do not. The Chairman. Or the purpose of the trip? Mr. Britton. I do not, except such as I read in the papers. The Chairman. I thought you said it was about some coal matter. Mr. Britton. I heard that it was. I heard the Secretary give an interview to newspaper correspondents, as he generally does in the morning, telling about his visit and Secretary Pajaie's visit, on his return to Washington. He returned to Washington on the night of August 2, and on the morning of August 3 he gave an interview, and it is in the papers of August 4. The Chairman. Does it state anything about the boat he went on? Mr. Britton. I do not knoAv. The Chairman. The New Mexico did not go up to Alaska? Mr. Britton. No, sir. The Chairman. It could not go in those waters ? Mr. Britton. No, sir. The Chairman. So, it was a cruiser ? Mr. Britton. I suppose it was a torpedo-boat destroyer, or some- thing of that kind. It was a small boat. The Chairman. Do you know whether the Neio Mexico took the party from San Francisco to Seattle ? This paper says it did. Mr. Britton. I am absolutely ignorant on that. I do not know of that trip at all. The Chairman (reading from newspaper article) : T]B6 of dreadnanglit Idalw, 11 days, in proceeding from Seattle to Cook Inlet, Alaska, to meet tlie Secretary and his party and return them to Seattle, at $37.37 a day— $41,107. Mr. Britton. I do not know anything about that. The Chairman (reading) : Use of six destroyers, five days, transporting Secretary Daniels and his party from Seattle to Seward, Alaska, at an expense of $545 i)er day per destroyer — $16,350. What need would there be of five or six destroyers going up there ? Mr. Britton. That is a matter for the Office of Operations of the Navy, sir. The private secretary has nothing to do with that. The Chairman. Who could tell us about that? Mr. Britton. The Office of Operations. i The Chairman. If it came to be an important matter j Mr. Britton. I suppose the Auditor for the Navy Department orj chief clerk could give vou that. The Chairman. Mr.^^Curtis? Mr. Britton. The Office of Operations would have those matters. The Chairivian. You have told us all you know ? Mr. Britton. Yes, sir. PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2695 , The Chairman. That is alL There is nothing here to reflect on I- you in any way. Mr. Britton. Will you hear Mr. Curtis now ? The Chairman. Yes. , TESTIMONY OF MR. FRANK S. CURTIS. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) j . The Chairman. What is your position ? . Mr. Curtis. Chief clerk of the Navy Department. The Chairman. Who was Mr. Roosevelt's secretary? . Mr. Curtis. Camalier. , The Chairman. Did he go to San Francisco at the time of the convention? j Mr. Curtis. Yes, sir. ' The Chairman. Do you know whether or not he went at Govern- J ment expense ? Have you any vouchers there to show ? i Mr. Curtis. He has an order that would entitle him to go at Gov- l eminent expense. He has made no claim for it as yet. 'j The CHAiRr.iAN. He would not go at Government expense without Ian order of this kind? 'j Mr. Curtis. No, sir. : The Chairman. Who is Mr. Griffin? ■ Mr. Curtis. Admiral Griffin, the acting Secretary on the date that was signed. > The Chairman. Is he an admiral ? Mr. Curtis. Yes. . The Chairman- This is a direction to accompany the Assistant jSecretary of the Navy to San Francisco and other points on the west jcoast as may be directed : Upon completion of this toniporary duty yon will return to V\^asbin?ton D C ;and resume your regular duties. ^ The Bureau of Navi.f.-atiofi v/ill furnish you the necesrary railroad transporta- [ition, including Pullnjan accommodations, and will note the same hereon, ■ You will be allowed traveling expenses under schedule A of article 122 Naval iRegulations, 1913. ^fter settlement *of your claim for traveling expenses the inclosed form will ibe filled out and forwarded to the department. . You know that he went to San Francisco, do you ? i Mr. Curtis. Yes, sir. ,| The Chairman. When would his expense account come in ? 1^ Mr. CuRTis. He has had time to do it already, but he has not sub- Jmitted it. ; The Chairman. You have made an examination to see? Mr. Curtis. Yes, sir; I made an examination this morning to find out. The Chairman. And having the order to go, it is fair to presume Ithat he went at Government expense? i since resigned from the department. , The Chairman. Do you know whether he had any business there jwith a number of Assistant Attorneys General who were startino- for I there at that time? ' Mr. Curtis. I do not know. 2696 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chaikman. Or with Mr. Harrison, of the Department of Agri- culture ? Mr. Curtis. No, sir. The Chairman. Is this one of those coincidences we have heard so much about here? Mr. Curtis. I do not think so. The Chairman. How many other men in the department of the Navy went to San Francisco at that time? Mr. Curtis. In June and July? I went over the records this morn- ing and found five orders. The Chairman. Who were they? Mr. Curtis. Including Mr. Camalier, Dr. L. W. Austin, W. C. Dean, W. D. Bergman, and R. M. Wills. The Chairman. Did you look for their expense accounts? Mr. Curtis. No, sir; I do not think all of their expense accounts have come in. The Chairman. Maybe they will not come in now. Mr. Curtis. Yes, they will ; they will undoubtedly. The Chairman. When do you expect them in, Mr. Curtis; in the natural order, any day? Mr. Curtis. Yes. Here is Dr. L. W. Austin's letter The Chairman. Who is Dr. Austin? Mr. Curtis. He is an expert in connection with the Naval Radio Research Laboratory. The Chairman. What date did he leave ? Mr. Curtis. The order was dated June 10. The Chairman. The same as the order of Roosevelt's secretary? Mr. Curtis. I would like to read the last paragraph of Dr. Austin's request. The Chairman. Very well. By the way, where is he from, what State? Mr. Curtis. I do not know what State. He has been connected with the Bureau of Standards here. He says — this is just one para- graph in asking for this — " If funds are not at present available for such a trip, I am willing to pay my own expenses as I did on the recent Porto Rico trip." That trip was in connection with studying static conditions on the west coast of the United States. The Chairiman. Were the static conditions there pretty bad at the time of the Democratic convention? When had he been out there before to study static conditions? Mr. Curtis. I think this was his first trip. The Chairman. Why did so many of these employees of the de- partments make their first trip to San Francisco at that time ? Mr. Curtis. Well, I do not think you can call this a very large number — five. The ChairjMan. Five at that particular time. Did they all start on the 10th, or did they all get their orders on the 10th? Mr. Curtis. One order is dated June 2, one June 15, two June 10, and one June 19. The Chairman. Will you take up the different ones and tell u& who the people are. Mr. Curtis. The first one is this Dr. Austin. The Chairman. You have covered him. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2697 Mr. Curtis. He is employed on scientific matters with regard to ' the wireless. ^ The Chairman. Do you know how long he was there ? Mr. Curtis. No, sir ; I do not think he has come back yet. Admiral Griffin says, " Dr. Austin expects to be engaged in this work for a period not exceeding six weeks." i The Chairman. That apparently has nothing to do with the con- I vention. I Who is the next one? Mr. Curtis. W. D. Bergman, June 19, 1920, travel orders to pro- ; ceed to the navy yard, Mare Island, Calif., for special temporary duty, and to such other points on route to and from that point as may be necessary. I'he Chairman. Who is he? Mr. Curtis. Appointment clerk of the Navy Department. The Chairman. Where is he from ? Mr. Curtis. I think he is a District of Columbia man. The Chairman. What is the date of his order ? ^ Mr. Curtis. The date of his order is June 19. His duty was in connection Avith charges of infractions of the civil-service regula- tions by the civil-service secretary in San Francisco. The matter had been investigated by a special board. Reports had come in to J the department, and Mr. Bergman and Mr. Fisher, representing the Civil Service Commission, had gone over these reports. There had been a discussion of the whole thing by the three Commissioners of i the Civil Service Commission and the Secretary and Assistant Sec- retary of the Navy, and it was decided to send Mr. Bergman and plr. Fisher out there to make a further investigation of these charges. ^ The Chairman. It was necessary to look into those charges at that >time ? ' ^ Mr. Curtis. Yes, sir; and it was desirable that it should be at a l;time that the Secretary and the Assistant Secretary were at the yard out there. ' The Chairman. You do not know how long he stayed there ? r Mr. Curtis. Mr. Fisher and Mr. Bergman were there for 10 or 15 days after the convention, working night and day and putting in a great deal of overtime. . The Chairman. Who is the next one ? , . Mr. Curtis. The next one is R. M. Wills. i . The Chairman. Who is Mr. Wills ? Mr. Curtis. He is a draftsman— Naval Gun Factory. His request reads : The bureau requests that orders be given to Mr. R. M. Wills chargeman draftsman, Naval Gun Factory, Washington, D. C, to proceed to San Francisco •Calif., and on June 24, 1920, report to the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet on temporary duty for the purpose of securing necessary data to enable , the Naval Gun Factory to proceed with the design of the tun-et installation -of "•dn-ector firing gear for the Neiv York, New Mexico, and Idaho, and upon com- ' pletion to proceed to Bremerton, Wash., and report to the commandant of the »Puget Sound Navy Yard for the purpose of obttiining the same information ; regardmg the Mississippi and Texas, and upon completion to return to Wash- ington, D. C, and resume his present duties. The Chairman. Had he ever been out there before ? i Mr. Curtis. Not that I know of. " The Chairman. Who is the next one? 2698 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Curtis. W. C. Dean, electrical aid. The Chairman. Where is he, from? Mr. Curtis. I do not know his legal residence. He is electrical aid, Bureau of Construction and Repair. The request in his case says : It is requested that orders be issued Mr. W. C. Dean, electrical aid, Bureau of Construction and Repair, to proceed on or about July 1, 1920, from Portland, Oreg., to the Mare Island Navy Yard, at San Francisco, Calif., and thence to the Puget Sound Navy Yard, at Brementon, Vv^ash., reporting to the commandant at each yard, and conf(M-ring v.'ith the respective construction officers on the matter of hydraulic steering gears being installed on new vessels and on vessels in commission ; also to make investigjition relative to the installation of new shop tools, and particularly ;is to the extent to v/liich electric arc welding is used, apparatus for the process having been adopted at east coast navy yards witli attendant economies. Mr. Dean will be in Portland between the dates of June 24 to July 10 while on annual leave. It is considered that an excellent opportunity at compara- tively small expense to the department will thus be afforded him to familiarize himself with conditions involving installation and maintenance of Construction and Repair electric auxiliaries on ships and electrically operated machiiie tools at the west coast yards, which especially concerns Mr. Dean's work at the bureau and about which it is desirable that he be informed. The Chairman. Had he been out there before? Mr. Curtis. No, sir ; 1 do not think he had. The Chairman. That was his first trip ? Mr. Curtis. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Those are all, are they, Mr. Curtis ? Mr. Curtis. Yes, sir. The Chairman. The gentleman who was just on the stand s-iid that he thought you could clear up a matter that had been men- tioned, referring to statements that nave been made about Secretary Daniels being out there on a battleship. I would like to have joii clear that up. Mr. Curtis. In the Pacific Fleet the battleships are on the coast, and of course there were three or four of them at San Francisco during the convention. The Chairman. Were you there yourself? Mr. Curtis. No, sir ; 1 was not. The Chairman. After the convention did any party go on the battleships to Seattle ? Mr. Curtis. I am not familiar with that. I knoAV absolutely that there was a trip from Seattle to ^^laska by Secretary i)aniels and Secretary Payne in connection with coal. The Chairman. On what boat did they go ; do you know ? Mr. Curtis. I do not know. It must have been a destroyer, be cause they went up fost and came back fast. They made a record. The Chairman. This article that was brought to the attention of the committee, to which I called Mr. Britton's attention, is from the Providence Journal: Secretary Daniels's vncntion trip costs Public Treasury $65,000. Use of warships to transport party along Pacific coast on Alaska tour makes heavy expense. It cost the Government $7,414 to get Mr. Daniels and his guests from San Francisco to Seattle,, $57,457 from Seattle to Alaska and return. No Govern- ment projects under way call for Secretary's personal presence in Pacific waters. Do you know how they got from San Francisco to Seattle? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2699 Mr. Curtis. No, sir ; I do not. ^ The Chairman (reading) : From Seattle to Alaska $57,457 and return. No Government projects under way call for Secretary's personal presence in Pacific waters. 1^ You do not know anything about that ? I Mr. Curtis. No, sir.*" ' The Chairman. You simply do know that Secretary Payne and Secretary Daniels went on to Alaska? Mr. Curtis. Yes, sir. The Chairman. This says that there were six destroyers. ■ Mr. Curtis. It does not take six destroyers. The Chairman (reading) : To trjinsport Secretary Daniels and his party from Seattle to Seward, Alaska at an expense of $545 per day per destroyer. ' ; I was wondering why they would need six. L,^^^-.^^^^™- They would not need six. Of course, the Pacific ll<^leet^ IS on the coast there and it costs money to maintain the fleet Ine tact they were used for this trip does not add to the cost. The Chairman. It woidd not add anything to the cost whether the vessel is moving or whether it is still? Mr. Curtis. Oh, yes; but we are supposed to keep our vessels jmoving. ; .The Chairman. So that there would be no additional expense to ,!the (Tovernment if the ships had been used to go to Alaska. . Mr. Curtis. No, sir. H The Chairman. How are the expenses of these trips paid? Are ^Ithey paid m advance? If you ha^ e a battleship and want to enter- tain some newspaper men, would that entertainment be paid for by .the Government? 3 * Mr. CuRTTS. Conjrress will not give us any funds of that kind, i ^he Chatrm.an. No funds to entertain newspaper men? i Mr. CuRT S. Not to 2-0 that far. Mr Br TTTON. The officers of a ship pay for their own me'=^s. The enlisfed men are paid by the Government. The officers on the A'^ew merico invited me t^^ere. , The Chairman. Where guests are invited the officers pay for it? Mr. Br^tton, Yes, sir ; it is not paid by the Government' at all. I .Senator Reed. Let me get that right. Is not this a fact, that an ;3fTi-er provides his own uniform out of his own pocket? Mr. Curtis. He does. ^ Senator Eeed. He provides his own subsistence out of his own oocket ? ! jVfr. Curtis. Yes, sir. Senator Reed. If he invites a man to eat with him on a battleship ine pays for that meal, just the same as if he invited him to eat in his '^lome? ; iVIr. Curtis. In his home or his hotel. , Senator Reed. So that when vou no on a battleship and dine with Jtn officer the off.cer gets " stuck " fr)r the meal? ; Mr. Curtis. Yes, sir ; that is right. Officers get " stuck " in for- i^ign waters very frequently. They have to entertain out of their "•wn pockets. 2700 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. If a party goes on a battleship the officer is re- sponsible for the entertainment? Mr. Curtis. Unless it is some official party. If Congressmen should go on board battleship I think there is an official fund to cover The Chairman. Do they entertain Senators on battleships? Senator Reed. Officially, in conducting an investigation. The Chairman. When they are on official business. That is the distinction. I do not think there is anything further, unless you have something further to present. Mr. Curtis. No ; I have nothing further. The Chairman. I will ask you this question, because I saw . it in the newspaper. Did Secretary Roosevelt go on a cruiser to his Maine home after he was nominated at San Francisco, as published in the Washington Times? Mr. Curtis. I only know from the newspaper report. The Chairman. That is all you know? Mr. Curtis. That is all I know. The Chairman. That would not have cost any more money, even if it is so? ^ n ,^ . Mr. Curtis. Our ships are going along the coast from (juantanamo up to Maine constantly, every year, all the time. On the Pacific coast the same way. They get their training that way. The Chairman. You plan to keep the ships moving? Mr. Curtis. Yes, sir. . Senator Reed. You could not train the crew of a ship to efficiency if you stood the boat out in the harbor and let it remain there? Mr. Curtis. No, sir ; and if you put a battleship in the harbor and let it stay there six months it deteriorates very rapidly. The Chairman. The ship itself needs the movement. Mr. Curtis. As much as the men. The Chairman. We are very much obliged to you. (Witness excused.) TESTIMONY OF MRS. L. J. LLEWELLYN. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) The Chairman. Mrs. Llewellyn, are you connected with the Stars and Stripes in any way ? Mrs. Llewellyn. I am. The Chairman. What position? Mrs. Llewellyn. Treasurer. The Chairman. Are you connected in any way with Mr. Jamie- son's committee? Mrs. Llewellyn. No, sir. The Chairman. When did you cease to be so connected? Mrs. Llewellyn. Since February, the latter part of February.^ The Chairman. Up to that time you were holding what position with the Democratic national committee ? Mrs. Llewellyn. The head of the letter-opening department. The Chairman. Is that a pretty busy department? Mrs. Llewellyn. Yes. sir; sometimes. The Chairman. You opened the letters containing the drafts? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2701 Mrs. Llewellyn. Usually, yes, sir; that was my duty to handle tne money. *^ The Chairman. Were you cashier of the Stars and Stripes at one when? ^^'^^ ^'""^'^ position with Mr. Jamieson's committee Mrs. Llewellyn. The latter part of February. The Chairman. And immediately became cashier of the Stars and Mrs. Llewellyn. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Who recommended that change « Mrs. Llewellyn. In the latter part of February the Democratic national committee, you might say, closed down. They let go over one hundred employees. When they let us go Mrs. Parks tried to place everybody m some kind of a position with the Government or somewhere and at that time she was interested and she took up her interest in the Stars and Stripes and asked me if I would like to have a position down there, and I accepted it. ; wh^Il you "werrtherl?" bookkeeper of the Stars and Stripes Mrs. Llewellyn. Kidwiler. - The Chairman. Who is bookkeeper now« Mrs. Llewellyn. Hardy Meakin. exS'sed^''^'''''^''* ^ '^'^ '"''^ ^^'""^ anything further. You are (Witness excused.) TESTIMONY OF MR. RICHARD H. WALDO. (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) ine Chairman. Your name has been used here. I xiie ^.MAiRMAN. I our name has been used here. I understand vou want to make some statement ? unaeistana you f; Mr. Waldo. Yes, sir. It wf"^'^"^- P'^lKl^^i^r ^""^^ ^^^^ and business. Mr. Waldo. Eichard H. Waldo. ! Chairman. What is your business ? ^e^."*' ^ publishers; running my own busi- i Jr^® Chairman. You have a business of your own« j; Mr. Waldq. Yes, sir. [ The Chairman. Where? Mr. Waldo. Located in New York. V f H^iR^iAN. Adviser to publishers? K /l^^^l?- ^-xf ' f ^^^^^^ war I was manairer and secre- tary of the New York Tribune. I went into the servicf and was two years overseas. During that time, among other duties, I was assi^nld , to the organization of the Stars and Stripes. cibbi^nea f ® Chairman. Across the sea? Wqf^^'^n* ^''''''^l .y^"' ^nd^^ direction of the Gen- ^ral Staff. On my return to this country I accepted a proposition to ecome general manager of the American Association o^f For^^^^ Language Newspapers and the Interracial Council of New York rSral llpnirr'^^^ ^^^'"'^ ^^"'^ organizations I met [jreneral DuPont on two or three occasions; but quite apart from 2702 PRESIDENTIAT. CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. that I took a great interest in various soldier movements and am my- . self president of an American Legion post. I was several times approached by certain ex-menabers of my over- seas oro-anization who had interested themselves in the American, edition "of the Stars and Stripes with the request that I either buy the paper or become interested in it. I was interested m the young men, because there were very able young men overseas, and I made careful inquiry as to how the thing stood. Through Washington in- formation I had every reason to believe that it was being operated as a part of the Democratic national committee ultimate propaganda machinery. I say " ultimate " because it appeared to be m process of building for future use. ... . .x. I was advised that Mr. Jamieson, the assistant treasurer ot the Democratic national committee, was the backer, although he pre- ferred not to appear; that a Mrs.— the lady who has testified here; her name I do not recall The Chairman. Parks? Mr Waldo. Yes— was the figurehead through whom the operation was conducted; and because of the political slant I did not feel that I wanted to become connected with the paper m any way. but when the bonus agitation was carried on it appeared to me and to many of us in the Legion that the necessary attention to the wounded men would be seriously impaired if the proposed bonus of a blanket nature were put through. -, , o The Chairman. You were opposed to the bonus « , Mr W\LDO. Very much opposed to it, sir. I was instrumental m forming a committee which fought the bonus throughout tne country. The Chairman. That was a committee withm the Legion ? ^ Mr Waldo. Within and without. It was not an official Legion committee at all. I was fighting the Legion executives m that con- nection, and I got a great many Legion men to jom with us; and in order to carrv forward the work of that committee and make known to the ex-soldiers of the country what the extrordinary needs are and will be in the matter of taking care of the wounded and dis- abled and the dependents of the dead, it appeared advisable to have a paper that could get the word out. . .1 a • I had been called in as one of the reorganizers of the American Legion Weekly— reorganization of publications being my business— and when the American Legion officially decided to t;ike a bonus, I withdrew from participation and discussed with some members of this committee the advisability of securing a paper which could do the things we thought the American Legion Weeklv ought to do but refused to do because of the decision of the executives. I came to Washington at the invitation of Mr. Jones /^nd Mr Eider, respectively the editor and business manager of the btars and Stripes. I met Mr. Heffernan. They all came to my hotel and talked the matter over with me, but nothing came of the ^hsc™^^ But upon returning to New York and viewing the si nation furthei, it seemed advisable to go further I came ^o Washington a^^^^^ Mr. Jamieson and Mrs. Parks. I talked perfectly frankly to them and told them exactly what it was that T had m mind. They aske me if Gen. Du Pont had any connection with it whatever, i explained to them that he had none. He had never heard of my connection with the Legion work; and we discussed the matter ot H PEESIDEKTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2703 the sale of the paper. They were not prepared to sell the paper, but they were prepared to raise some additional money, and explained to me that the money was very much needed. I adjourned the hearing, to be taken up at a later time, meantime making all diligent inquiries possible to verify the deepening con- viction that I had that the thing was being conducted as a political adjunct, Avliich seemed a great pity to those who were familiar with the overseas work on the paper. I found that prominent Democrats had been assessed by Mr. Jamieson — I say "assessed" advisedl}^ They had been told they were expected to put up certain amounts of monev — one to put up $7,000 and the other to put up $2,500. The Chairman. Who Avere they? Mr. Waldo. Mr. Bernard Baruch to put up $7,000. Mr. Secretary Meredith was assessed $2,500. The Chairman. When vou say " assessed." what do you mean bv that? Mr. Waldo. They were informed that it Avould be very helpful and very much appreciated if they would " come through." Fur- ther inquiry developed the fact to my own satisfaction only — you understand, this is entirely a personal presentation — that Mr. Jamie- son appeared to be using his official position to raise funds for this paper, which Avould be possibly useful to the Democratic committee, but would certainly provide, according to Mr. Jamieson's hopes, a safe place for him to fall on in the event of certain contingencies ; which we may all look forward to. The thing did not have any elements of business about it, and upon consultation with the others ' who were willing to go in with me in order to take this paper out of the political atmosphere and use it in education of the soldiers, and what the war-risk insurance, the rehabilitation service — in fact, the full congressional appropriations have done and are doing and must continue to do — even with the desire to get the paper for that pur- , pose, the surrounding atmosphere was of a kind that we all decided we did not want to be mixed up with in any way. The Chairman. Before you leave that, I wish you would tell us how you came to the conclusion that these prominent Democrats were furnishing this money that you speak of. Mr. Waldo. Mr. Heffernan told me that they had. The Chairman. The gentleman who testified here ? Mr. Waldo. I do not know as to that. I The Chairman. Of the Stars and Stripes ? I Mr. Waldo. Mr. Heffernan is the young lawyer who, if I may use the word, grabbed the nanie of the Stars and Stripes. The Chairman. He testified here yesterday. Mr. Waldo. I see. He is supposed to have got backing for it. The Chairman. He told you these two gentlemen contributed this J? money ? I Mr. Waldo. Yes, sir. The Chairman. Did you hear Mrs. Parks's testimony this morning fJ in which she refused to divulge the names of certain Democrats who r gave money? Mr. Waldo. I got here after she testified. 182774— 20— PT 20 6 2704 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The Chairman. She declined to give us the names. Senator Reed. Did Mr. Heffernan tell you that Baruch and Mere- dith had been assessed? Mr. Waldo. It is a matter of recollection, Senator; but the very- strong impression was given to me that they had not been wholly pleased with the investment and that neither of them regarded it as a business matter and neither of them expected ever to get any money back on it. Senator Reed. You got that from your conversation with Mr. Heffernan ? Mr. Waldo. The point was, sir, that it was not Senator Edge. Did they have stock for it? Mr. Waldo. I do not know as to Mr. Baruch. I was informed in the other case. That I Imow was given. The Chairman. So you came to the conclusion that here was a paper parading as a soldier paper that was really controlled and operated in the interests of the Democratic Party? Mr. Waldo. Absolutely. Senator Reed. Now, sir, can you put your finger on a single article in that paper of a political character? Mr. Waldo. No, sir 5 because, as I used the phrase previously, it was for ultimate purposes. d Senator Reed. That is, you conceived the paper in your own mincJ to be one that while it had not been in politics it might be hereafter ? Mr. Waldo. It was being built so that it would be potentially use- ful when the time came. Senator Reed. And your reason for believing that is because Mr. Jamieson was a prominent Democrat connected with the Democratic committee and because of these contributions that came or were pur- chased, whichever you call them, from Mr. Baruch and Mr. Meredith and others? Mr. Waldo. Because in all my inquiries I found they had come only from Democratic sources. Senator Reed. You spoke of some men who were going in with you or that had talked about going in with you. Who were they ? Mr. Waldo. Personal friends in New York, who believed that they had contacts among friends who could raise the money, although our principal plan was to have the soldiers finance it themselves. Senator Reed. These gentlemen were Republicans or Democrats? Mr. Waldo. Nonpartisan members of the City Club of New York. Senator Reed. You mean they were really nonpartisan, that they had no party? Mr. Waldo. As far as I know, sir, the legion is a nonpartisan organization. Senator Reed. I am not talking about that. Plenty of men belong to legions that are Democrats and plenty that are Republicans. The organization itself is nonpartisan. I want to know whether these gentlemen who were going in with you were Republicans. Mr. Waldo. I have no means of knowing. Senator Reed. What are you? Mr. Waldo. A Democrat,' an independent Democrat. Senator Reed. You wanted to prevent this paper from going into Democratic hands? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGl^^ EXPENSES. 2705 Mr. AValdo. I wanted to prevent it from going into any party. Senator Eeed. You say yon are a nonpartisan Democrat? Mr. A¥aldo. I hope so. Senator Reed. What is a nonpartisan party man ? The Chairman. A Democrat who will vote for Harding. Mr. Waldo. That answers it in my case, exactly. The Chairman. You are not alone, I guess. Senator Reed. If we have plenty of that kind, we will not go far Mr. Waldo. I voted for Mr. Wilson both times. Senator Reed. You have not increased my respect for you politi- cally, even by that last statement. Mr. A¥aldo. I am sure of it, sir. The Chairman. Senator Reed asked you about putting your linger on anything of a partisan nature. Have you seen the last or next to the last issue, with a half-page ad, but not marked as an ad^ for Cox and Roosevelt? Mr. Waldo. I have not seen the Stars and Stripes for some Aveeks. I have been in the AVest, and just happened to get in town last night on the night train. The CiiATKMAN. We are glad you happened in. Senator Reed. I understand the law does not co^ er that. Mr. AValdo. It does not, sir, I understand. Under date of July 28 I received a letter signed by the business manager of the Stars and Stripes, in which he says : I believe it would be possible to put through a proposition such as you out- lined some time ago, within the next 10 days. If there is anything to be done or you wish to go into the matter, will you write or wire me at Washington, D. C? The status is very interesting and the time opportune. Senator Edge. AATio is that signed by ? Mr. AValdo. By the business manager of the Stars and Stripes. Senator Edge. AA^hat is his name? Mr. AA^ALDo. Melvin Rider. My understanding, in conversation with Messrs. Heffernan, Jones, and Rider, Avas veiy clearl}^ to the effect that Messrs. Jones and Rider had no knowledge at all, but very shrewd suspicions, as to the political trend of the paper, and because of that they were ver}^ eager to have other hands come in and build it up along the lines that they thought an ex-soldiers' paper should be conducted upon — entirely nonpartisan. The Chairman. Are you through? Mr. Waldo. I have nothing further to offer. Senator Edge. I recall this morning a statement made by Mrs. Tarks, I think, that you threatened that if you could not purchase the paper, or Avords to that effect, they could not get advertising from the large associations. Did any conversation of that character take place ? - The Chairman. The " Big Four." Mr. AValdo. My advice was asked, as it is professionally asked and paid for on frequent occasions as to hoAV the advertising could be obtained whicli they said they had been unable to get, and I ex- pressed the oi^inion that if the paper was conducted as a political machine, or even remotely so, it did not have the gliost of a show; that it had to clean itself from politics in every way or it would 2706 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. never ^-et anywhere, and that every dollar put into it would be like poimdrng sand in a rat hole. Senator Edge. In other words, with a knowledge of the business, the large advertising organizations or agencies in placing their ad- vertising in the various general and national advertisers, so called, seldom use what aie known as political newspapers or publications? Mr. AValdc). The political newspaper is the least useful of medi- ums of anything you choose to mention. Theater programs or any- thing else pay better; and a strong political taint, if it is strong enough, is one of the heaviest handicaps that a newspaper has to bear, particularly a ncAv one that is just starting out. Senator Kled. It is true that nearly every great newspaper in the United States takes a pretty active hand in politics, and they all carry advertising? Mr. Waldo. I am speaking, now, not of the daity newspaper; I am speaking of the periodical press. This is a weekly. Senator Eeed. Well, is it not true that the weekly periodicals of the country all carry advertising; all classes, apparently? Mr. Waldo. My point is best understood in reference to the Sat- urday Evening Post, the greatest of advertising mediums, which is very careful indeed in its partisan attitude. Senator Reed. This paper bears A^ery little relation to the Satur- day Evening Post. Mr. Waldo. Mrs. Parks expressed to me the belief that she could make it as great as or greater than the Saturday Evening Post. Senator Reed. Do you think it could be? Mr. Waldo. Not under Mrs. Parks's direction. Senator Reed. If you had gotten hold of it, perhaps? Mr. Waldo. I question it very much, indeed. Senator Reed. The real fact is that you wanted to get hold of this newspaper because you thought it might sometime become useful to the Democratic Party ? Mr. Waldo. No. I think we will not put it that way, Senator Reed. We will put it that it was potentially an organ that might be of great service to the American soldier, and it was being of no service at the present time. Senator Reed. Exactly so. Your interest was not because it was not of any service to the soldier. You had a double interest, to be entirely frank about it. You were against the bonus plan and this paper was for it. If you could acquire the newspaper you would take out of the field of bonus advocacy this sheet, and you would do a thing that you thought was a good thing to do for the soldiers. Mr. Waldo. Very necessary to do. Senator Reed. And the other was that you thought that a lot of Democrats had hold of this sheet, and some time they might use it for Democratic purposes, and you w^anted to get hold of it for that reason ? Mr. AValdo. I will agree to that. I will accept the first just as you have stated it so very ably ; but the second one was that I feared the ultimate eifect upon the whole soldier organization work of having a soldier ncAvspaper that was actually a political sheet. Senator Reed. Has not the other soldier newspaper been taking sides ? Mr. Waldo. I think not. I should be amazed if it had. PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2707 Senator Reed. It has been discussing questions relating to the League of Nations and things of that sort, has it not ? Mr. Waldo. I have not seen the latest copies, but the whole policy is to keep away from politics. Senator Eeed. I do not say they did. This paper has. been advocat- ing the League of Nations The Chairman. That is, the Stars and Stripes ? Senator Eeed. Yes. That is all, Mr. Waldo, as far as I am con- cerned. (A telegram from the national commander of the American Legion to the chairman of the committee follows :) Cleveland, Ohio, September 25, 1920. Senator William S. Kenyon, Chairman Senate Committee on Campaign Expenditures, Washington, D. C: It is reported that a statement was made yesterday before your committee that the American Legion Weekly is controlled by the Republican national com- mittee. This statement being wholly untrue and without foundation may work a serious harm to the American Legion Weekly and to the organization and seriously hamper the work it is doing for the organization of which it is the official publication unless the truth is made known. In view of this I request that officials of the American Legion and employees of the American Legion Weekly be given an opportunity to testify before your committee on all matters pertaining to the ownership and control and all other matters relating to the magazine immediately after the adjournment of the convention of the Ameri- can Legion on the 29th of September. Frank D'Olier, National Commander. The Chairman. The other witnesses who have been subpoenaed here will be excused. There will be no more witnesses heard to-day. (The subcommittee then went into executive session, after which the following proceedings took place:) The Chairman. The committee has received this telegram, which will be placed in the record. (The telegram referred to is as follows:) Oentralta. III., September 2Jf, 1920. David S. Barry, Sergeant at Arms United States Senate. Washington, D. C: Telegram September 23 just received. Can not possibly reach Washington by to-morrow morning. Will accept telegram as service and appear any day next week if desired. Edgae F. Fyke. The Chairman. Senators Edge and Pomerene are appointed a subcommittee to investigate the charge made by Mr. Lockwood on yesterday, and will meet in Dayton, Ohio, on or about Thursday, October 7. The other members of the committee being unable by 'reason of their engagements to participate, these two members will ^make the report to the committee. This subcommittee will adjourn to meet in St. Louis on October ,18 to finish the iuA^estigation begun in Missouri, and will take up only those Missouri affairs the investigation of which has already been begun by the committee. That adjournment now takes place. (Whereupon, at 3.10 o'clock p. m., the subcommittee adjourned to [^meet at St. Louis, Mo., on October 18, 1920.) X m LlBRARt Gr m DEC 12 1331 UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS, PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES HEARING BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON PKIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS UNITED STATES SENATE SIXTY-SIXTH CONGKESS SECOND SESSION PURSUANT TO S. RES. 357 A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES^ AND ELECTIONS TO INVESTIGATE THE CAMPAIGN EXPENSE^S OF VARIOUS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES IN ALL POLITICAL PARTIES PART 21 Printed for the use of the Committee on Privileges and Elections m LiBBAHY Of THE DEC 12 1931 UNiVERSlTY OF ILLINOIS. 182774 WASHINGTON GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICIO 1920 COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES AND ELECTIONS. WILLIAM P. DILLINGHAM, Vermont, Chairman. WILLIAM S, KENYON, Iowa. LAWRENCE Y. SHERMAN, Illinois. ALBERT B. FALL, New Mexico. PHILANDER C. KNOX^ Pennsylvania. SELDEN P. SPENCER, Missouri. JAMES W. WADSWORTH, Jr., New York. JAMES E. WATSON, Indiana. WALTER E. EDGE, New Jersey. ATLEE POMERENE, Ohio. JAMES A. REED, Missouri. THOMAS J. WALSH, Montana. WILLIAM. H. KING, Utah. JOSIAH O. WOLCOTT, Delaware. HENRY F. ASHURST, Arizona. Charles A. Webb, Clerk. Subcommittee on S. Res. 357. WILLIAM S. KENYON, Chairman. SELDEN P. SPENCER. JAMES A. REED. WALTER E. EDGE. ATLEE POMERENE. / Charles A. Webb, Clerk. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. W THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7, 1920. United States Senate, Si bc()m:uittee on Privileges and P^lections, Day ton, Ohio. The subcommittee met, pursiumt to adjournment, at 11 o'clock a. m., in the Federal court room. Federal Buildinierexe. August Avhat? Mr. Steixbrixk. August 16, 1917. On August 17, 1917, the first contract with the Dayton-Wright Aeroplane Co. was executed. Sub- sequently, and in I^lay, 1918, the Dayton-Wright Co. received its first voucher or payment for experimental Avork done by it, and the fol- lowing month, in June, 1918, we find the Cox note paid bv a check of the Dayton Metal Products Co., No. 12841. Senator Pomerexe. What date Avas that? Mr. Steixbrixk. June 29, 1918. Now, with these facts before me as counsel for the Frear committee, I discussed this with Congress- man Frear, the chairman of the subcommittee, and after conference with him directed the accountant who had been employed by the Frear committee to come to Dayton to make a more detailed investi- gation. Senator Po:^[erexe. What was the accountant's name? Mr. Steixbrixk. Marvyn Scudder, of New York. He was the same accountant who had been employed by the Department of ffustice in the Hughes investigation and because of his knowledge of the details obtained there was again emj^loyed by Congressman Frear's committee. I communicated with Mr. Scudder by letter on August 26, 1919, and having discussed with him the peculiar coin- cidences of dates to which I have just referred, requested him to come to Dayton and make a detailed investigation to ascertain whether or not it had any relation to aviation or aviation expendi- tures. His report to me, known as report No. 7, dated September 3, 1919, furnished the detail on which I wrote a complete report, under date of November 5, 1919, to Congressman Frear, the chairman of Subcommittee No. 1. This letter and the report are, I take it, a part of the records of the congressional committee. I have copies of both here if you desire them. Senator Edge. If there is no objection, I think that they should go in the record. They seem to relate directly to this matter. Senator Pomerexe. I think Ave had better determine that later. Is Mr. Scudder here? Senator Edge. I am going to call Mr. Scudder after this Avitness. Senator Pomerexe. I shall AVflnt to ask him a feAv questions before we proceed Avith that matter. Senator Edge. We Avill hold it in abeyance. Continue, Mr. Stein- brink. Mr. Steix'brixk. The report Avas made, as I said a moment ago, to Congressman Frear, Avith the observation that if it Avas the desire PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2713 of the congressional committee to move on to Dayton and go further into the detail of this, that as its counsel I was subject to its order and direction and was ready to go to Dayton. I subsequently received from Congressman Frear a reply saying that for reasons which he 1 made clear in his letter to me. which original I have here, they would f not go into the matter at that time. That terminated my connection with it. Senator Pomekene. AYhen was that ? Mr. Steixbrixk. Congressman Frear's letter to me acknowledg- ing my letter of Xovember 5 is dated November 6, 1919. Senator Edge. Does that cover your personal connection with the previous investigation, so far as information was secured from that i bears on this particular investigation? I Mr. Steixbrixk. There were other reasons. Senator Edge, which I prompted the congressional committee to request me to go into it. but i it was based on common gossip and rumor around Washington, and unless you gentlemen desire it. I shall not repeat it. Senator Edge. We do not want common gossip and rumor. We . only want facts. I have nothing else to ask at this time. Let that ! letter be inserted in the record. (The letter referred to is as follows:) November 5, 1919. My Dear Congressman Frear : Since the teruiinatioii of hearings in New York on Friday hist I have given further thought and consideration to the Dayton situation, regarding which I had previously spoI%:en with you. In the latter part of August. 1919. the accountant, at my request, went to Dayton, so that I might know whether or not the matter, even indirectly, related to aviation ■ War Department expenditures. At Dayton the accountant found two separate funds that were raised in Dayton, with regard to which I desired the detail, j and, while I write it frankly to you, Messrs. Adam Schantz and B. F. McCann, j his connsel. both of Dayton, earnestly refiuested the accountant that nothing be brought out in connection with these two funds unless it was clearly shown that they had a connection in some way with the aviation progi'am. j The funds wore: (1) Cash in the amount of $5,000 received by Gov. .Tames C. J Cox, of Ohio, during his term of office at the City National Bank of Dayton, f Ohio, in August. 1917 : this was while the aviation program was being devel- * oped and we were already in the war. (2) A contrilnition fund in the amount of $37,000, disbursed by Mr. Adam Schantz,. The story of No. 1. in brief, is as follows : An officer of the City National Bank of Dayton, Ohio — Kiefer by name — states that he paid in cash $5,000 to Gov. Cox, who placed the cash in a bag that he carried and gave his — Cox's — own note, drawn to the City National Bank, for equal amount. In the files of the Dayton Metal Products Co. is a canceled note of Gov. Cox's, which the ac- ' countant saw. in the amount of $5,000, and it was acquired by that company on June 29. 1918, by the payment of the Dayton Metal Products Co.'s check t No. 12341, in the amount of .$5,075. which represents the amount of the note plus 90 days' interest. The facts are that while on the face of the note it would appear that Cox bor- rowed this money on August 16, 1917. against his own obligations, it was not paid un.til June 29, 1918, when the check which paid it included 90 days' inter- ' est. This would at least indicate that the Dayton Metal Products Co. ap- ' parently, by paying principal and interest, considered it an obligation of its own. The Dayton Metal Products Co. during this period was engaged in some ' aviation work. Tliey had contracts or subcontracts for the manufacture of metal parts which were used on planes. The Dayton Metal Products Co. owned all of the stock of the Dayton-Wright Airplane Co. From these facts I conclude that while this places Gov. Cox in a very unfavor- able light, where an examination of^iim might prove most embarrassing, still it d would add nothing to the investigation which we are conducting, and therefore we would not be justified in going into it. As to fund No. 2. of $37,000, the facts are : This fund was raised by six gentle- men in the fall of 1916, and prior to election day in the following amounts: 2714 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. (May I interpolate liere that while that was the election at which Mr. Wilson was chosen to the Presidency, and, while it is currently reported that Secretary of War Baker was most active in Ohio at this time, still I can find no connection at this time which would warrant us in going into it.) Contributions : H. E. Talbot . $7, 000 Col. E. A. Deeds- 7, 000 C. F. Kettering___^ 7, 000 Adam Schantz ^ 7, 000 Contributions — Continuued. Walter Kidder $7, 000 F. M. Tait 2, 000 Total 37,000 While the books of the Dayton Metal Products Co. show in regard to the first three named that their accounts were charged and the amounts were contributed directly by checks drawn on the Dayton Metal Products Co., as far as Mr. Schantz was concerned, he considered that the first three gentlemen named directly contributed their amounts. The checks on the Dayton Metal Products Co. were cashed and Mr. Schantz became the custodian of these funds, placing the moneys in his vault. These funds, which undoubtedly constituted a slush fund, were handled to various political workers by Mr. Schantz and balances that were not used were later returned to Mr. Schantz and such balances found their way, either directly or indirectly into his personal account at the Teutonia National Bank. As to whether any of these moneys were used for United States aviation purposes, there is this to be said : That without question no one could naturally conceive that in any way the raising of this fund was for United States aviation purposes, as we did not enter the war until April, 1917. The only respect in which it might be said that these moneys were used in any way for United States aviation purposes would be in case there were any of those funds on hand that had not been disbursed prior to April, 1917, and were dis- bursed later in that connection. Now, Mr. Adam Schantz did spend money in purchasing land for the Govern- ment's aviation field known as the Wilbur Wright Field, and he did draw checks on his Teutonia National Bank account, which account received some of the balances from the political woi-kei'S who had been supplied with part of the fund described above. Mr. Schantz later paid back to the gentlemen who con- tributed to the fund, including himself, not only the amount of these balances paid back by the political workers but the difference between that and the whole fund, in the following manner: In 1918 certain men, employees of one kind or another, were required to submit fictitious charges for services, which charges w^ere paid by the flood prevention committee of Dayton specifically on February 3, 1918. These payments were later given to Adam Schantz and by him returned to the original subscribers. At this time Deeds was chairman and actually presided at the meeting of the flood prevention committee where the vote with respect to these funds was taken. The details of all these circumstances were fully reported to me on behalf of the committee by the accountant's report No. 7, of which I inclose for your attention and files a carbon copy. You will find in the report a reference to the fact that the accountant had made certain reports in the Hughes investigation, which alluded to the facts now presented to you. I am satisfied that Judge Hughes did not deal with any of the subject matter of these two funds, because the investigation conducted by him dealt with aircraft production, and, though the scope of the present investi- gation is broader than the one which Judge Hughes conducted, still I do not see how this matter could be gone into at this time without it first appearing that it was germaine to your inquiry. Had we in the course of the investigation you are now conducting stumbled across this — and without previous knowledge of it — we might have been justified in then and there following it to its conclu- sion. It is my opinion that we should not go into it now as an original propo- sition. I am making this report to your entire committee, I hope you will take it up with both Congressman Lea and Congressman Magee, and if after conferring with them you conclude it is still our duty to go into it, I shall be very glad, indeed, to serve you in any way, in which event I would ask for word as early as possible, in order that I might make my arrangements accordingly. Yery sincerely, Meiee Steinbrixk. Hon. James A. Freae, Congressional Office Building, Washington, D. C. r PEESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGX EXPENSES. 2715 Senator Po^ierexe. AVhen did you l^egin your connection with this committee ? Mr. Steixbrixk. With the Frear committee, do you mean ? Senator Pomerexe. Yes. Mr. Steixbrixk. Or the Hughes i Senator Pomerexe. The Hughes committee appointment was first, was it ? Mr. Steixbrixk. Yes. sir. Senator Pomerexe. When did that begin? Mr. Steixbrixk. The hitter part of Mav : the very hist part of Ma v. 1918. Senator Pomerexe. And when did it end ? Mr. Steixbrixk. Our report was submitted to the Attorney Gen- eral and the President on October 25, 1918. Senator Pomerexe. October 25. 1918 ? , Mr. Steixbrixk. October 25. 1918. Senator Pomerexe. When did your employment by the Frear com- mittee begin? Mr. Steixbrixk. In June, 1919. Senator Pomerexe. When did it end? You gave that date, Xo- yember 6, I belieye. Mr. Steixbrixk. Xo. That was the date of my report on this par- ticular matter : but I continued rendering service to the congressional committee Senator Pomerexe. I do not care anything about that. Mr. Steixbrixk (continuing). Until the very last part of 1919. ♦ Senator Pomerexe. Have you given us, as 3^011 understand it. a complete resume of the facts Avhich to your mind indicate Gov. Cox's connection with some ulterior deeds? Mr. Steixbrixk. I have not. I have purposel}', Senator Pomerene, excluded all gossip around Washington on which basis this investi- gation was made. Senator Pomerexe. My question, I believe, stated the facts. I did not refer to gossip or rumors. ^Ir. Steixbrixk. I have generally given you. Senator, the facts. Senator Pomerexe. Let me see if I undei'stancl your position cor- rectly. You have said that you discovered that Gov. Cox gave a note to a certain bank for S5.000 some time in 1917: that about that time Col. Deeds, who was a manufacturer here in the city of Dayton and who was interested in the subject of aviation, went to Washington and he secured or Avas given a position in the War Department : that a little later he received a commission as colonel; and you feel that because of the coincidence in the date when he gave a note and the late when he became connected with the War Department and re- •eived this commission cast a sort of suspicion upon the bona fides of ;his transaction. Is that your position? Mr. Steixbrixk. That is not. Xo: Senator, that is not my posi- ' ion. Senator Pomerexe. Is that a part of it? Mr. Steixbrixk. It is a part of it; but you have embodied in your iuestion something that I did not testify to and as though I did estify to. Senator Pomerexe. What was that ? 2716 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. STEiNr.RiNK. That I discovered a note of Gov. Cox. I never claimed to have discovered that note, Senator Pomerene. Senator Pomerene. I think perhaps I shouki modify that. You were made a('(|iuiinted with that fact. Let me put it that wa3^ Mr. Steinbkink. Linked up with another fact. Senator Pomekene. What was the other fact ^ Mr. Steinbrink. Mr. Scudder, the accountant, reported having found on tlie l)ooks of the Dayton Metal Products Co. an amount totalino; $2('),0()(). The $5,000 was embodied in that $26,000. Senator Pomerene. Very well. Now, did you discover any um- bilical cord between these different facts which made one the cause of the other ? Mr. Steinbrink. To use your own expression, the umbilical cord is found in the gossip which was going around in Washington. Senator Pomerene. Oh, in the gossip ? Mr. Steinbrink. And in that gossip; it was because of that that, as counsel of this committee, it was my duty, if I was to render a proper service, to ascertain whether there was foundation for it. Senator Pomerene. 1 am not finding any fault with the fact that an investigation Avas made. Mr. Steinbrink. Oh, no; I understand that. Senator. Senator Po.merene. If there is any fault to attach to this, it is to some of the conclusions which were drawn from very much mooted premises. Mr. Steinbrink. May I ask a question. Senator ? Senator Pomerene. Yes. Mr. Steinbrink. "Whether you mean bv that that I dreAV an incor- rect conclusion, because I am quite ready to give you every fact. Senator Pomerene. I have not said that. I used it in an imper- sonal sense. Mr. S^PEiNBRiNK. I am c{uite ready to give you every fact, and then permit the Senate committee or the public to draAV its oAvn con- clusion. Senator Pomerene. We will be very glad to get the facts, if Ave can, and Avill be A-ery glad to have the public draw its conclusions. Xow, then, later on, when Deeds and the Wrights here became engaged in the development of the aeroplane, certain payments were made by the Government to their company. That, I believe, you stated Avas a fact. Mr. Steinbrink. The first payments were made in May, 1918. Senator Pomerene. And it turns out that some time in June, 1918, this note Avas paid. Mr. Steinbrink. In June, 1918, the note Avas paid by the check of the Dayton Metal Products Co. Senator Pomerene. I understand that. Do you mean to say that there Avas any connection betAveen these payments by the Govern- ment to this company and the payment of the Cox note by the com- pany? Do you mean to say that there is any plausible connection betAveen those ? Mr. Steinbrink. I am not saying aUA- thing of 'the kind. I am giv- ing you a fact, and I Avill callVour attention further to a letter re- ceived by the cono'ressional committee under date of August 1-1. 1919. from Mr. Talbott, jr., as president of the Dayton- Wright Aeroplane Co.: under the same date to the same committee from Mr. Talbott, i PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGX EXPENSES. 2717 jr, as vke president of the Dayton Metal Products CV)., settin- forth the s ockholders, and from that it appears that Gov. Cox was not -i stockholder or interested in either company Senator Pomeeene. Yes: but you don't 'know, do you, what rela^ tions there may have be^en or what the facts may have been which promi.ted the payment of this note bv the Metal Products Co > You do not know the reason for that, do you ^ • . for k' ^ ^^n^>^^^ I ^an not conceive tlie reason Senator PoMERENE And the mere fact that you can not conceive what was the reason for it would not justify you, as a lawyer, in 3!^; woX^lTf ^^^^ ^'"'^'''^ ^^^^-1- - '^-^ Mr. Steinbrink. The answer to that question. Senator Pomerene depends upon tlie moral point of view, and I am quite ready to criyj you my inference or deduction from the facts ' Senator Pomerene. We are trying to get the facts and not the interences or moral speculntions upon the sii])jcct Mr. Steixbrixk. Excepting that very often you can not prove a conclusion, but it must be drawn from the facts Senator Pomerene. I know that. We all, of course, understand what circumstantial evidence is and we know of very oreat mistakes that juries and courts and lawyers make wlien they are deaiin Dayton-Wright Aeroplane Co. and stripped himself of all stock ownership before those companies in which he was interested under- , took work for the Government. He had to do that under the statute. Senator Pomerexe. Was that before or after this note was paid? 2720 pep:sii)Extial campaign expensp:s. ^Ir. Steinbrink. AVhy, that was before. Senator Pomerenj]. A^ery well. Then Mr. Kettering was in this company at the time you made this discovery that the $5,000 note Avas paid by the Metal Products Co., was he not ? Mr. Steinbrtnk. Yes; Kettering was connected. Senator Pomerene. Did you call him before the committee to in- terrogate him about this $5,000 note? Mr. Steinbrink. Why, no. Senator Pomerene. I told you at the outset that my sole object as counsel was to ascertain whether it had any relation to aircraft production or to the expenditures of the War Department ; and I Avill say to you now that not being able to prove that it had such a connection, I did not believe that in the Hughes report, so far as my advice was asked, or as counsel for the committee we would be justified in going into it. Senator Pomerene. Suffice it to say you did not go into it, and you did not interrogate anybody connected Avith the Metal Products Co. Avith respect to this $5,000 transaction, did you? Mr. Steinbrtnk. I did not, because it Avas not connected Avith aviation. Senator Pomerene. Well, let us go further. Gov. Cox Avas in the State here at that time? Mr. Steinbrink. Not at the time I sent the accountant out here^ for I particularly told him to see Goa^ Cox, and he reported to me that Gov. Cox Avas absent on a fishing trip. Senator Pomerene. Well, Goa^ Cox does, I believe, occasionally go on a fishing trip, but he usually gets back. Did you at any time seek to get GoA^ Cox's Aversion of this matter ? Mr. Steinbrink. I did not, because, I repeat, I could not find that it Avas connected with the subject matter of our investigation. Had I done so at the time, it Avould have been charged probably that it was political. Senator Pomerene. But noAV it seems that, having satisfied your- self that it had no connection Avith the War Department and no con- nection Avith Government expenditures of money, you still think, do you, that it had some connection Avith Gov. Cox's campaigns. Is that the idea? Mr. Steinbrink. Noav, Senator, if you ask me Avhat I think. I am ready to ansAver you, sir. Senator Pomerene. If you liave any facts upon which you base it. Mr. Steinbrink. Senator, I think it calls for an explanation from some one. That is Avhat I think. I thought so then, and I am more convinced of it to-day. Senator Pomerene. Well, Ave Avill get the explanation before we get through. Mr. Steinbrink. That is another thing. You asked me what I think, and I have ansAvered your (question. Senator Pomerene. I Avant to knoAv upon AAhat a^ou base your conclusions ? Mr. Steinbrink. On the peculiar coincidence in dates and in the CA^ents transpiring on those dates. Senator Pomerene. And because there is a coincidence in certain dates you come to the conclusion that there has been some sort of skull-duggery about this thing? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2721 Mr Steinbeink. I have not come to that conckision. I have a thought, and if you want to know what I think, I will tell vou wliat I think. Senator Pomekexe. If you will just tell me wliat vou think we will be content with that, but we do not care for your vaporino-s and imaginings. ^ Mr. Steixbrink. 1 am not in the habit of vaporing when I am under oath before a congressional or senatorial committee Senator Pomerexe. The record will show before we get throu^rh perhaps. ^ ^ ' Mr. Steixbrixk. Undoubtedly. Senator Pomerexe. So that so far as the Hughes committee was concerned and so far as the Freer committee was concerned you made no investigation of this $5,000 transaction except to see that it had ^^TiJ^^S^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ aircraft or War Department expenditures^ Mr. Steixbrixk. You can best find out what I thought about it : and said about it if you will read niv report to the concessional committee. Senator Pomerexe. Well, I have seen reports of that kind. Mr. Steixbrixk. You did not see this one, evidently. ^ Senator Pomerexe. I am glad to say that I did not. I think that IS all I care to inquire now. Senator Edge. I will ask only tAvo or three questions, to establish connections for future witnesses. . In your investigation, Mr. Steinbrink, did you find any definite connection, stockholding connection, between the Dayton Metal Products Co. and the Dayton- Wright Aeroplane Co. ? ' Mr. Steixbrixk. Yes. Senator Edge. Briefly, what Avas that connection ? Senator Pomerexe. Let me get that question again. Senator Edge. I asked if in his previous investigation— which of course, he did make and has now testified that he did make— he found any direct business connection between the Davton Metal .Products Co. and the Dayton- Wright Aircraft Co. Mr. Steixbrixk. AVith the exception of five qualifving shares, all ot the stock of the Dayton-Wright Aeroj^lane Co. 'was owned bv the^ Dayton Metal Products Co. Senator Edge. Was Col. Deeds formerly connected with either of those companies; and if so, in what capacity? I Mr. Steixbrixk. As I recall it. Col. Deeds was one of the original 'incorporators of the Dayton-Wright Aeroplane Co., but never com- pleted his connection with it. He severed his stockholding connec- tion before he acce])te(I the governmental service. ^ Senator Edge. Who was the president of the Dayton Metal Prod- ucts Co^ at that time — at the time of the Frear investigation? , Mr. Steixbrixk. Mr. H. E. Talbott, sr., I am pretty sure. Senator Edge. Who Avas president of the Dayton-Wright Aero- plane Co.? Mr. Steixbrixk. Mr. H. E. Talbott, jr. ^ Senator Edge. Who Avas the president of the City National Bank 3f Dayton, Avhere this note is alleged to have been discounted? Mr. Steixbrixk. At the date of its discount, Mr. H. E. Talbott, sr. Senator Edge. I think that is alL 2722 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Pomerene. Did you discover that Gov. Cox had any finan- cial connection with either the Dayton Metal Products Co. or with the aeroplane company? Mr. Steinbrink, None; he was not a stockholder, so far as the record disclosed, in either company. Senator Pomerene. And in no respect, so far as you know, did he have any financial interest in either of these companies ? Mr. Steinbrtnk. None. Senator Pomerene. And none so far as your investigation went ? Mr. Steinbrink. None. Senator Pomerene. That is all. Senator Edge. You testified, I think, that you had personally in- vestigated the facts of the Dayton Metal Products Co. in connection with the payment of the $5,000 note ; is that correct? Mr. Steinbrink. No. I said I made no detailed investigation. I did go to the office of the Dayton Metal Products Co. on one occa- sion after these facts were called to my attention, and by, I think. Mr. Scherer Avas shown such books as I called for and such records. The principal call at that time had to do with reference to contracts for aviation w^ork. Senator Edge. Did 3^ou personally ever investigate the books of the Citv National Bank of Davton in connection ^vith the same trans- action-^-the $5,000 check? Mr. Steinbrink. No, sir ; but I sent for certain officers of the City National Bank when I first came to Dayton in my capacity as deputy attorney general, at the request of Attorney General Gregory and Judge Hughes, and made my headquarters in the Federal judge's office here and had the representatives of the bank come to my room, and there I had my preliminary conversation with them preparatory to Judge Hughes and the Attorney General coming on to take the testimonj^ Senator Edge. Can you testify directly what they told you ? Senator Pomerene. What who told him? Senator Edge. The men he referred to. I will ask him the names as soon as I can reach that point. Mr. Steinbrink. I would not undertake to. Senator Edge, with- out having before me the stenographic report. Senator Edge. Is that legal evidence, may I inquire? Senator Pomerene. It is not. If you want any information that those Avitnesses may have, it would be better to get the witnesses. Senator Edge. I presume so. Mr. Steinbrink. The stenographic record is on file. Senator Edge. That is all, Mr. Steinbrink. Senator Pomerene. Just another question. When you were here did you have some secret-service men here ? Senator Pomerene. At no time ? Mr. Steinbrink. At no time. On my first visit. Senator Pom- erene, I used people who were found here in the Federal employ Avhom I had neA'er met before and never knew. They were at that time, I believe, connected with the American Legion, I think was the name of it. Senator Pomerene. Did you avail yourself of their services ii) this investigation? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2723 Mr. Steinbrixk. Certainly. AVe availed ourselves. Senator, of any one who was willing to assist. Senator Pomerene. Did you know Judge McCann, of this city? Mr. Steixbrink. Xo : I met him in the course of the investigation. Senator Pomerexe. Did you meet his secretary or clerk? Mr. SteixbriVk. If I heard the name I coukl tell you better; I do not identify him by that. Senator Pomerexe. I can not give you his name. Mr. Steixbrixk. If I did, I do not know it. Senator Pomerexe. Do you know of any of these men getting any documents belonging to Judge McCann, or Avhich were in his care, through this secretary or clerk ? Mr. Steixbrixk. I never heard of it until this moment. Senator Pomerexe. Did you have any knowledge that some one of these men had forged Judge McCann's name to an order on the clerk to furnish certain documents and give them an insight into them i Mr. Steixbrixk. I never heard of it. Senator Pomerexe. You never did? Mr. Steixbrixk. Please keep in mind. Senator Pomerene, that the Attorney General of the United States had at his disposal the Mili- tary Intelligence Bureau and Secret Service, which Avas under Mr. Bielaski. and he might have been doing some independent investi- gating that neither Judge Hughes nor myself kncAv anything about. Senator Pomerexe. I am simply asking you for Avhat information you have on this subject. Of course, while you were here as assist- ant attorney general you vceve representing the attorney general ? Mr. Steixbrixk. I assume so; because what I did. Senator, I do not hesitate to tell you, or when I sent for any of these people, no matter who it was, I made no secret of my mission. Senator Pomerexe. Certainly not. Mr. Steixbrixk. I disclosed to them my authority, over the signa- ture of the Attorney General, and then I spoke Avith them quite frankly. Senator Pomerexe. I am finding no fault Avith the investigation having been made. Senator Edge. That is all. (Witness excused.) TESTIMONY OF MR. MARVYN SCUDDER, EXPERT ACCOUNTANT, NEW YORK CITY. The Avitness was duly sAvorn by Senator Edge. Senator Edge. GiA^e your name and business address to the com- mittee. Mr. ScuDDER. ^larvyn Scudder. 177 BroadAvay, XeAv York. Senator Edge. Mr. Scudder, hoAv long liaAe a^ou been an expert accountant ( Mr. Scudder. Eor 20 years. Senator Edge. What is your firm's name ? Mr. Scudder. Marvyn Scudder & Co. 182774— 20— PT 21 2 2224 PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPEISTSES. Senator Edge. AVere yon ever associated with any Government work previons to yonr retention by the Hughes invekigating com- mittee ? Mr, ScuDDER. Yes. Senator Edge. Briefly recite that. Mr. ScuDDEK. My first employment was by the so-called Arm- strong investigation of insurance companies in 1905, for which Judge Hughes was counsel. Subsequent to that I was accountant ' for the Public Service Commission of New York State for a mat- ter running over a year, in the investigation and report on the trac- tion situation in New York City and Brooklyn. I was also em- ployed b}^ the attorney general of New York State in the ice trust investigation, of 1908, I think. I was employed by the banking de- partment as accountant in the Knickerbocker Trust Co. failure and resuscitation, of about that date. I was employed by Comptroller Metz, of the city of New York, for two years — about 1909 and 1910 — in the reorganization of the finance department of New York City. I was employed b}^ the city of Chi- cago, under Mayor Harrison, in 1912 in a thorough investigation and report on the ordinance provisions as they referred to accounting in the Chicago surface lines. I was employed by the Government at Washington on several occasions by the old Bureau or Corporations on audits in connection with the Standard Oil, United States Steel, and matters that they had under their jurisdiction. Senator Edge. Was that directly under the jurisdiction of the De- partment of Justice in Washington? Mr. Scudder. I think that was under Garfield ; and I am not certain whether that had any relation to the Attorney General's Office. I have been employed previous to the recent employment by the Attorney General's Office. Mr. McReynolds employed me in connec- tion with his Tobacco Trust work; that 3^ou may have heard of. That lasted over some period. Senator Edge. I think that is sufficient to establish your qualifi- cations as an expert accountant. Mr. Scudder. During the aircraft investigation I was employed by the Attorney General's Office, under Judge Hughes as counsel and Mr. Steinbrink as deputy. Senator Edge. In that investigation were you directly under the Department of Justice ? Mr. Scudder. Yes. Senator Edge. The Attorney (jeneral's Department in Wash- ington ? Mr. Scudder. Yes ; directly under the Department of Justice : they employed me. Senator Edge. In connection with that investigation, Avere you directed by the associate counsel, Mr. Steinbrink, to make certain investigations of the activities and finances of the Dayton Metal Products Co. ? Mr. Scudder. Not directly of the Dayton Metal Products Co.. but i was directed to proceed to Dayton and make an investigation of all matters that pertained to aircraft transactions with the Govern- ment. Senator EnciE. Mr. Scudder. without asking you detailed ques- tions, will you tell this committee what facts you discovered in the PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2725 course of that investigation that woukl directly relate to the in\'esti- gation that we are making ? 1 understand that you are familiar yyith the investigation with which we are proceeding. Mr. ScuDDER. The only thing that would directly relate to the mvestigation that you are undertaking, as I understand it, is the con- tribution of $42,000 in cash that has to do, as I was informed, with campaign expenses. ' Senator Pomerene. What is your understanding of the subiect mutter of this investigation ? Mr. ScTJDDER. My understanding of the subject matter of this investigation is that it is in regard to campaign contributions. I know little about it, Senator. Senator Pozvierene. What campaign contributions ? Mr. ScuDDER. A contribution that is paid, either directly or indi- rectly, in connection with a political campaign. Senator Pomerene. If the fact is that we have to do only with tlie investigation of the receipts and expenditures in the presidential campaign and in Senatorial campaigns, would you still understand that these funds had to do with those two classes of campaign funds? Mr. ScuDDER. I would understand so. Senator Pomerene. Well, we will see. Senator Edge. Proceed, Mr. Scudder, Avith vour discoveries with relation to campaign contributions and of the $42,000 that you have referred to. May I observe there, Senator Pomerene, without any contention, so that it will be clearly understood that I agree with you, if I am getting your inference correctly from your last remark or question, that it IS a well-known fact that this subcommittee has no jurisdic- ' tion, so far as my view^ is concerned, over contributions or expendi- tures in campaigns previous to the present campaign for President • and Senators. There can not be any question in anybody's mind as to that. But this particular hearing has been called by a member of the committee, on his motion, to go back in all matters relating to this Cox check and the contributions of the corporation that have been I brought up in connection ^vith it. Senator Pomerene. I am not going to make any objection to vour I going fully into the facts with regard to the Cox note ; and when I / use the word facts " I use it advisedly. [ Senator Edge. AVell, with that understanding, which I have made clear for the benefit of the witness as well as to make plain my own . position, it is clear to you what we want from you, is it not ? ' Will ' you proceed ? . Mr. Scudder. I tliink so ; if I am not right about it, please correct ^ me : Twenty-six thousand dollars, Dayton Metal Products Co. ; $7,000, j Adam Schantz ; $7,000, Walter Kidder; $2,000, F. M. Tait. Senator Edge. Let us see if I have them all. Twentv-six thousand dollars. Metal Products Co.; $7,000, Schantz; $7,000, Kidder; $2,000 Tait. Mr. Scudder. Does that foot up $42,000? Senator Pomerene. Yes. ^ Senator Edge. Yes ; it does. ^ Mr. ScDDDER. I think that is right. Senator Edge. You may proceed. 2726 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. ScuDDEK. I do not know Senator Pomerenp: (interposing). May I ask 3^011 just a prelim- inary question there Did I understand you to say that this $42,000 has to do with the presidential or senatorial campaign? Mr. ScuDDEE. Why, I understand so. Senator Pomerene. Well, will you state the facts which justify you in coming to the conclusion that these relate to a senatorial or presi- dential campaign? Mr. ScuDDER. W^hy, I am relying on Mr. Schantz's statement to me. Senator Pomerene. When were these funds contributed? Mr. ScuDDER. At different times. Senator Poivierene. What year? Mr. ScroDER. Do you want to know the exact dates? Senator Pomerene. Why, if you can give them; yes. M.r. ScuDDER. [Referring to paper.] October 24^ 1916, $6,000. Senator Pomerene. That is not this presidential campaign, is it? Mr. ScuDDER. That is the 1916 campaign. Senator Pomerene. Oh, yes. AVhat relation has that to this presi- dential campaign? Mr. ScuDDER. Xo relation to this campaign. Senator Pomerene. I thought so. Senator Edge. I think the witness misunderstood your question, as a matter of fact. Senator. I do not want to interfere with your ex- amination, but it is so obvious it could not have Senator Pomerene. Your statement was — and I tried to make the matter perfectly clear to you — that you were investigating the presi- dential and senatorial cami)aign expenditures and receipts, meaning this campaign's receipts and expenditures. Mr. Sci DDER. I did not so understand the question. Senator Pomerene. If you did not, why, of course, we all know we misunderstand each other once in a while, and that is all right. Senator Edge. Suppose I ask you, Mr. Scudder, a few questions and try to at least get the information we are seeking: You have tes- tified that in the course of this investigation you discovered items totaling $42,000 which, from your investigation, you assume were contributions to a political campaign? Mr. Scudder. Precisely. Senator Edge. Give us, in your own language, what has brought about that conclusion on your part. Tell us how the items are en- tered in the ledger, the disbursements, and the information that you have leading to the subscribing of those items and paying of those items, until their return, that would warrant you in believing that they are cam])aign contributions? Mr. Sci DDER. I think tlie simplest way. Senator, to give you that information is to inform you that Mr. H. E. Talbott and Mr. Schantz together told me that this $42,000 did represent campaign con- tributions. Senator Edge. They told you that ? Mr. Scudder. They told me that ; yes, sir. Senator Edge. Mr. Talbott and Mr. Schantz. All right ; tell the story. Senator Pcoierene. Let me ask a ])reliminary question there, so tliat we may be j^erfectly clear about this— campaign contributions to what campaign? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2727 Mr. ScuDDEK. AVell, it is rather hard for me to tell what particular campaigns, because I do not knoAv the campaigns that you had here, but I assume that they were campaigns of different years, and the most of it was 1916. I assume that was a presidential campaign, naturally : that is Avhen the bulk of the payments AA^ere made. Senator Pomerene. Of course, you are not familiar AA^ith it, but I think you can also assume that in the State of Ohio in 1916 AA^e AA^ere not conducting a campaign for 1920? Mr. ScroDER. Precisely. Shall I proceed? Senator Edge. Yes: proceed. Mr. Sci ODER. October 24, to repeat. 1916, $6,000; the same date, $6,000: Xovember 2, 1916, $5,000; November 6. 1916, $5,000; October 7, 1916, $6,000, $7,000, and $2,000. Senator Edge. To AAdiom AA^re those A'arious checks made payable, and by whom ? Mr. ScT'DDER. The first three checks — the first four checks AA^ere made payable by the Dayton Metal Products Co. to H. E. Talbott, and the fourth to H. E. Talbott, jr. Senator Edge. What Avas the fourth item? Mr. Sci DDER. $5,000. The hrst one of October 7, 1916, Avas a check of H. E. Talbott, special, draAA^n to self; the $7,000 item AA^as a check drawn — I Avill correct that — that AA^as a book entry by Mr. Schantz, who receiA'ed these contributions, against himself; he charged his OAA'n account Avith $7,000. The check of $2,000 Avas draAvn by Mr. F. M. Tait, and the check of $5,000 Avas draAvn by the Dayton 'Metal Products Co. on June 29, 1918. Senator Edge. Is that last item the check that discharged the note discounted by Goa-. Cox? Mr. Scudder. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. How do you know that? Senator Pomerene. What check was that? Mr. Scudder. The check of the Dayton Metal Products Co. Senator Pomerene. Of what date? Mr. Scudder. That AA^as draAvn on June 29, 1918, and the reason I knoAA' it AA^as for that Avas that I AA^as slioAvn the cancelled note at the office of the Dayton Metal Products Co., for Avhich that check paid — that is, GoA^ Cox's note. Senator Edge. What AA^as the date of the entry, if any, in the books of the Dayton Metal Products Co., covering the disbursement? Mr. Scudder. The entry Avas under date of June 29, 1918, in the cash book. Cox note. Senator Pomerene. The entry is the best evidence of that. Senator Edge. I Avish to bring it out so I can call for the books and refer to it. Senator Pomerene. All right. Mr. Scudder. It said, " Cox note to the City National Bank. $5,075,'' as I recall it, to be exact. Senator Edge. What Avas the $75 ? Mr. Scudder. Interest. Senator Edge. Was there any other item in the books of the Day- ton Metal Products Co. referring to this disbursement ? Mr. Scudder. I think it Avas charged to administration expense, as T recall it. 2728 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. Charged on the other side to admmistration ex- pense ? Mr. ScuDDER. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. In your investigation of the books was there any direct account with James M. Cox, jr.? Mr. ScUDDER. No. Senator Edge. Was there any evidence of any kind of any services rendered by James M. Cox, jr.? Mr. Scubder. I did not see any ; no, sir. Senator Edge. You audited the books, did you not ? Mr. Scudder. I did not. I examined the books, but I did not find anywhere anything in regard to Gov. Cox except that one item, and I went into that very thoroughly. Senator Edge. You did what? Mr. Scudder. I went into that very thoroughly. Senator Edge. That item appeared alone in the cash book as a dis- bursement and a charge against that to administration expense ; is that correct ? Mr. Scudder. That is correct ; the books will show that. Senator Edge. If not correct, please say so. Mr. Scudder. But the cash book entry, I state that as correct. Senator Edge. Now, these other items. Senator Pomerene. You are going to have those books here, are you? Senator Edge. I have subpoenaed a witness to bring all those books. There are other items of various checks, $6,000, $5,000, and three checks, as I understand it, direct from the Dayton Metal Products Co. to H. E. Talbott, each for $6,000; is that correct? Mr. Scudder. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. From j^our investigation as to the course of that disbursement, Avhat information can you give us ? Mr. Scudder. They were apparently cashed. Senator Edge. How is that? Mr. Scudder. They were apparently cashed at the bank. Senator Edge. They were cashed at the bank? Mr. Scudder. Yes, sir. The first item was indorsed " H. E. Tal- bott." Senator Pomerene. What do you mean by " item " ? Mr. Scudder. I beg pardon. Senator Pomerene. When you speak of " item " being indorsed, Avhat do you mean by that ? Mr. Scudder. By one of these items, of course, I am referring to the check. Senator Pomerene. Have you those checks here ? Senator Edge. I just asked him a question about the three checks, and he said the first item — meaning the first check, I presume Mr. Scudder. The first check was indorsed " H. E. Talbott." Senator Pomerene. Where are these checks? They are the best evidence of this matter. Mr. Scudder. I can only say that when I saw them they w^ere at the office of the Da^^ton Metal Products Co., and were handed to me by Senator Pomerene. And Avhat is this memorandum that you are using to refresh your memory ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2729 Mr. SciDDEif. This is a memorandum that I made from my in- vestigation in the aircraft matter. Senator Po31erene. I do not want to be technical about this, l)ut it must appear that the books and the checks are the primary evi- dence of the matter. I think I will let you go on, though. Mr. ScFDDER. May I make an explanation? > Senator Edge. Certainly. ^Ir. Sci'DDER. In regard to these items, I was asked by the Frear committee to produce my evidence, and I refused to do it. They got from me or from the Attorney General's Office, my report, which contained the information, and my report to Judge Hughes, that contained this information, and on the basis of those reports and after they had gotten them I was pressed and gave this information. But I did not give it, and refused to give it, until I was ordered to do so after they had gotten the report from the Attorney General. H Senator Po:merexe. Why did you refuse to give it ? W Mr. Sci'DDER. Becau.^e T did not think that I ought to give them the information that I had gotten for the Attorney General. I am not a lawyer; I am an accountant. Senator P(j.\rERENE. Your thought was that you got this in a sort of confidential way as representing the Attorney General? Mr. ScT DDER. I tried to be careful ; yes. Senator Pomerene. All right. Senatod Edge. Mr. Scudder, you are starting to explain the course of these checks, and I think you answered that the checks were cashed at the bank. Is that correct? ^Ir. ScTDDER. Yes, sir; and I can tell you Avhich bank they Avere cashed at. The first check was indorsed " H. E. Talbott," and ^' Adam Schantz by J. C. Hocliwalt," and was cashed at the Dayton Savings & Trust. Senator Pomerene. Are you going to have these checks all here? Senator Edge. I have asked for all the books and papers concern- ing this. Senator. If they are still in existence, we will have them. Senator Pomerene. Well, if you have them here I would like to see them, and perhaps we might shorten this investigation. The wit- i ness here is wholly testifying from, his memory, and his statements are secondary evidence, of course. Senator Edge. Secondary evidence, but it is necessary, in my \ judgment — pardon my lack of legal knowledge, which I apologize : for many times — to secure his information as he has to some extent , continued this investigation where the officers of the Dayton Metal Products Co. could, of course, onl}^ show the bare instrument. I am trying to get the whole thing weaved together. Senator Pomerene. The instrument ought to be here. Senator Edge. Is Mr. Scherer in the room ? ^fr. Scherer. I am. Senator Edge. Have you the paid checks, canceled paid checks? Mr. Scherer. Yes, sir; I have the checks of the Dayton Metal ^ Products Co. here. Senator Edge. They are all here ? Mr. Scherer. I have them here. Senator Edge. If there is no objection, why not have them turned o\er to the witness? 2730 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator I^ojmekene. I think I will let the witness o-o on with the matter now. Senator Edge. We can ask the witness with the checks in hand, but Mr. Scherer is probably the more direct witness. Mr. ScuDDER. The first check Avas indorsed " H. E. Talbott '* and "Adam Schantz, by J. C Hochwalt," and cashed at the Dayton Sav- ings & Trust October 24, 1916. Senator Edge. That was $6,000. Mr. ScuDDER. Yes; the second check w^as indorsed by H. E. Talbott and Adam Schantz by J. C. L. Hochwalt, October '26, 1916. The third check was indorsed " H. E. Talbot " and ''Adam Schants.'' November 3, 1916. The next check was indorsed " H. E. Talbot, jr.,'^ and " Adam Schantz," November T, 1917. Senator Ed(;e. What was the amount of that check ? . Mr. ScuDDER. $5,000. The Dayton National and Dayton Savings & Trust stamp was on it. Senator Edge, (live us the amount of each check. I am trying to check them up here. Mr. ScuDDER. The next check was $6,()()0, indorsed, " H. E. Talbot," "Adam Schantz," " Martin E. Viehl." Of course the entry of $7,000 in Mr. Schantz's book did not represent a check. It was simply a credit. Senator Edge. What did that represent ? Was it a direct cashing of one of his OAvn checks ? Is that what jow mean ? Mr. ScuDDER. No; that simply represented charging himself with the $7,000 for the contribution that he was to make of $7,000, as he handled this whole fund. Senator Edge. Then charging himself, how did he get the cash? Mr. Scudder. He got the cash in this way, that he cashed these other checks, and I am now testifying as to what Mr. Schantz said as to cashing these checks, plus the indorsements. Senator Edge. That is not necessary. Senator Pomerene. I object to that. Senator Edge. We will call Mr. Schantz for that information. You were referring to the $7,000 Schantz check. You are down now to the $6,000 check. Mr. Scudder. I have given you six, six, five, five, six, seven, and the two thousand of Mr. Tait was a check given by him to Mr. Schantz^ and the $5,075 that we know about. Senator Edge. As I have folloAved you in this somewhat intricate matter, all of these checks — correct me if I am wrong — were cashed at the bank, indorsed, as you have outlined, Avith the personal in- dorsement of Mr. Schantz. Then Mr. Schantz must have received the actual cash for this total of $35,000? Mr. Scudder. It is $37,000, as a matter of fact. There was $2,000 of Tait's. Senator Edge. Perhaps I have made a mistake in the total. Mr. Scudder. You will find it is $37,000. Senator Edge. Mr. Schantz has received in this way the actual cash for these various checks? Mr. SciTDDER. There is no question about it — $37,000. Senator Edge. That totals $37,000. Mr. Scudder. Yes. Senator Edge. Did you go any further in this investigation? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2731 Mr. ScuDDER. Yes. I asked Mr. Schantz as to what disposition he made of the $37,000. ^ Senator Pomerene. You only know from the statement he made? Mr. ScuDDER. Only know from the statement he made. Senator Pomerene. I think you better get that from Mr. Schantz. Senator Edge. I will ask Mr. Schantz about that. In your direct investigation did you find any return of any of this money made out to the order of Mr. Talbott that had come directly from the Dayton Metal Products Co. ? Mr. ScuDDER. Yes. Senator Edge. Give us that information. Mr. ScuDDER. I found two items direct to Mr. Talbott, April 4, 1918, from Mr. Schantz special, on the Davton Savings & Trust, $12,679.38 and $6,574.50. Senator Pomerene. To Mr. Talbott? Mr. Scudder. H. E. Talbott, $12,679.38 and $6,574.50. Senator Edge. These amounts were in what form ? Mr. Scudder. Checks from Mr. Schantz. Senator Edge. To whom ? Mr. Scudder. Mr. Talbott. Senator Edge. And then what happened ? Mr. Scudder. He indorsed them over to the Dayton Metal Prod- ucts Co. Senator Edge. You speak of them being on Talbott's special ac- count. Was that the same account chaged with the original dis- bursement ? Mr. Scudder. It was charged with something like $19,000 of the original disbursement, but the original charge w^as in a little dif- ferent "form. The original charge of these mone^^s was to the indi- vidual accounts of E. A. Deeds, Mr. Kettering, and Mr. Talbott on the books of the Dayton Metal Products Co. Senator Edge. That is important. Senator Pomerene. How was it ? Mr. Scudder. The charge was originall}^ to E. A. Deeds, Mr. Ket- tering, and to Mr. Talbott, in equal thirds, on the books of the Day- ton Metal Products Co.; but, in March, 1917, the entries were re- versed, and Mr. Talbott's special account, as I recall it, was charged. The books, as Senator Pomerene says, are the best evidence of that, but I am certain as to the fact that they were charged originally to those three gentlemen in that way. Senator Edge. You are ])ositive that those checks returned from Mr. Schantz to Mr. Talbott were indorsed by Mr. Talbott and went into the treasury of the Dayton Metal Products Co. ? Mr. Scudder. Absolutely. Senator Edge. Do you know anything further about the transac- tion of your own knoAvledge? Mr. Scudder. I know that Mr. Kidder was paid back, and Mr. Schantz was paid back, and Mr. Tait was ]:>aid back. Senator Edge. By Avhoni ? Mr. Scudder. By Mr. Schantz. Senator Edge. Well, now, develop that. Tet us get that clear. How could Mr. Schantz pay himself back? Mr. Scudder. By an entry in liis books which credits himself. Senator Edge. Where did the money come from ? 2732 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. ScuDDEK. The money came from Senator Pomerene (interposing). Do you know? Mr. ScTJDDER. Do I know ? Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Of your own knowledge? Mr. Scudder. Yes; I know of my own knowledge. The money came from the five or six men. Senator Edge. Five or six men. Tell us what you know about this, Mr. Scudder. I want to try to get the facts all out somehow. Mr. Scuixder. $26,242.50 of this came from Mr. Gale M. Hartley. Edward T. Hall, John Lloyd, and some attorneys by the name of Goeke & Anderson. Senator Edge. How much by each of those gentlemen ? Senator Pomerene. Let me see if I understood that correctly. You say 26,000 plus came from those men ? Mr. Scudder. Twenty-six thousand plus came from those men. Senator Pomerene. Came from them to whom ? Mr. Scudder. Mr. Schantz. Senator Edge. Now we are up to this point. Let me see if I have this correct. This money Avas paid by the Dayton Metal Products Co. to Mr. Talbott. Some was paid direct, as vou testify. It all was indorsed over to Mr. Schantz and he cashed the various checks, total- ing $37,000, including his own? Mr. Scudder. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Then you cease knoAving what happens until we ask you Avhether the money has been returned, that part that was disbursed by the Dayton Metal Products Co., and you have answered that, as to its return. Now, you state that certain men. whose names you gave, of this presumably, you understand, $87,000. returned to Mr. Schantz twenty-six thousand and odd dollars*? Mr. Scudder. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. What did your investigation develop as to the source of that $26,000, or whv it should be connected with this orio-i- nal $37,000? Senator Pomerene. Do you mean information that came to him from his investigation of the books ? Senator Edge. I mean any information to which he can directlv testify. Mr. Scudder. I examined the books. Senator Edge. I asked him to confine it to his own knowledge. Senator Pomerene. But these are deductions from the books. Of course, I have no objection to his stating that, but if your information is partly gossip and partly statements made by some of the gentle- men to you, it must occur to you that they should be called to testify to those facts; otherwise we will get ourselves into difficultv. Mr. Scudder. I am only testifying to what I actuallv know. Senator Edge. That is all I want you to testify to. Senator Pomerene. You can only know these things from your in- vestigation of the books and docun'ients ? Mr. Scudder. Yes, sir. That is the onlv thino- I can testifv to. I do know that Mr. E. T. Hall gave Mv. Schantz a check for €ighty-four hundred dollars, which was placed in Mr. Schantz's spe- cial account at the Dayton Savings c^- Trust. Senator Pomerene. The amount of that was what ? PRESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIG^^ EXPENSES. 2733 :Mr. ScuDDER. Eighty-four lumdred dollars; and I got this from Mr. Schantz's ledger, which he very freely opened to me and showed to me. Senator Edge. Give us the date of that check, so that we can keep the transactions together. ]Mr. ScuDDER. March 8, 1918. These were all on March 8 : $4,357.50 from EdAvard T. Hall, $4,346 50 from Gale Hartley, $4,346.50 from T. (xarry, $6,949.50 from John Lloyd, and $2,000 from Goeke & An- derson. On the opposite side of the account are the disbursements, which I have stated, as i)aid back to Mr. Kidder, Mr. Tait, and Mr. Talbott, against it. Senator Edge. AVhere did you see these items ? Mr. Scudder. I saw these items in Mr. Schantz's special account in his ledger. Senator Edge. Mr. Schantz opened his ledger and permitted you to see those accounts ? • Mr. Scudder. Absolutely. Senator Edge. What happened after that. This $26,000 being re- turned bv these gentlemen that you have mentioned, what was the next ? What happened next in the use of this $26,000? ^Ir. Scudder. He referred me to the source of that, to the Dayton flood-prevention committee, and I went over there and examined their books. Senator Edge. You examined their books yourself? Mr. Scudder. I examined their minute book. Senator Edge. What did you find there ? Mr. Scudder. I found that the Dayton flood-prevention com- mittee had ordered the following bills paid: Edward T. Hall, for ; services as per agreement, $8,400 for 1915, 1916, and 1917, at $2,800 XI year; Gale M. Hartley and Ed. Garey, for publicity services and expenses incidental thereto for 1915, 1916, and 1917, as per agree- ment, $8,693; John Lloyd, for services from January 1, 1915, to December 31, 1915, $1,800, 1916, $1,800, 1917, $1,800; hotel bills, as I ^hnui ifc Senator Edge. My only reason for asking the question, Senator, was that jou had led up to the point of asking if lie had made in- quiry about the note, but did not ask the question as to whether he had received an answer. Senator Pomerene. No; I thought you were going to call these oth^er men. I will withhold any objections I might make to the ques- Senator Edge. When you asked Mr. Talbott-if I may repeat the question— as to what reason he assigned for the Metal Products Co paying the note, what was his reply? Mr. ScuDDER. I did not put the question to him in that way. - benator Edge. What did you ask him? ^^Tt^'^'^t^ ^ ^'"^ anything to do with the air- craft and Mr Deeds appointment, and he said absolutely not, that it was entirely for the campaign, and my impression is that he said it had something to do with the legislature. Senator Edge. That you are not sure of « Mr. ScuDDER. Well, I am pretty sure that he mentioned the legis- y lature m connection with passing some bill, in connection with It IS rather hard for me to recollect exactly what that conversation was, but I am almost sure he referred to it in that way with^it^'L^fTV^f''^'^''' Pomerene asked you if you were familiar with the tact that it was a local election goino- on« n Mr. ScuDDER. I would not know about that. Senator Edge. A local election going on in the fall of 1917 Do the^'datef ^^'^ ''""^^ actually paid-what was 1, Mr. ScuDDER. June 29, 1918. L Senator Edge. That then the gubernatorial election was on? Are n you familiar with that ? ,^ Mr ScuDDER. Well, only in the way that Senator Pomerene has sai^d, that It was every two years. It must have been, if it was in j. Senator Edge. In your discussion here with Mr. Schantz, or Mr )^ lalbott, or others were you informed that it was a part of the Ohio . primary law that a candidate for governor must file his petition 60 clays before the second Tuesday in August « ' ;i ^l^'iT''''^ T^'' ^'^^^^^^^ that that I remember was that Mr. Schantz said it was necessary to file in this State a i statement of all expenditures for any political purpose. ; fenator Edge. No; I was not referring to that. Well, you are ^inot familiar with the fact? , j ciie |i Mr. ScuDDER. I am not familiar with the law ; I am not a lawyer ! Senator Edge. That to be a candidate for governor it would be 1 'necessary to file a petition before June 29, 1918 ? ^ Mr. ScuDDER. I did not know that ; no, sir. All I am doing is to o-ive ^,you what I do know. ^ . Senator Pomerene. Since we have had this discussion, ere you •quit- s^ure he said this note was given for the purpose of raisino- |,ltunds for a legislative campaign? 2742 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGX EXPENSES. Mr. ScuDDER. I still say I think that is what he said, but I may be mistaken. I know it had to do with some campaign. Senator Pomekene. Are you quite as sure of that tact as you are of the other statements youliave been making? ^ . Mr ScuDDEK. I am not as sure of that, as to whether it was tor the legislature or campaign, as I am in regard to the other statements I have been making. -c 4. 4-1, + Senator Pomerene. Do you not recall you did learn the tact that in 1917 they had a very bitter campaign here with respect to the election of commissioners? . , . t Mr. ScuDDER. Keally, I am not confident of that. I do not remem- ber distinctly. Senator Pomerene. And that the contest at that time was rather between the Socialists candidates on the one hand Mr Scudder. I do not remember that; no, sir. Senator Pomerene. And the Republican and Democratic candi- dates on the other hand? ^ ^ n -j. t i ;i Mr. Scudder. No, sir. I would tell you truthfully if I remembered it, but I do not remember that distinctly. . ^ ivr , Senator Pomerene. You learned also, did you not, that Mr. lal- bott and Mr. Kittering and Mr. Deeds and Mr. Kidder were Repub- licans ? , T 1 • Mr. Scudder. Oh, yes ; I was told that. 1 es, sir. Senator Pomerene. And that Mr. Schantz was a Democrat i Mr. Scudder. Mr. Schantz, yes; and I think Mr. Kidder was a Democrat, they said. t.- • • Senator Edge. They have a right to change their politics m Ohio. Senator Pomerene. Oh, yes; they perhaps do ^ , Mr. Scudder. But I remember distinctly that Mr. Talbott and Mr. Deeds were Republicans. . . . (Thereupon, at 1.10 o'clock p m., the subcommittee took a recess until 2.30 p m. same day.) after recess. TESTIMONY OF MR. MAUVYN SCUDDER— Resumed. PcnaU^r Pomerene. Now, Mr. Scudder, just another question or two with reference to this $5,000 note. You never talked with Crov. Cox about that ? n ^ Mr SruDDER. I never saw him, no: I have never seen (roy. Cox. Senator Pomerene. All vou know about it is that you have seen the entries on the books of the bank and the book entries m the Dayton Metal Products Co.'s books and the little talk that you had with Mr. Talbott about the purposes of it That is about it Mr Scudder. The talk I had with Mr. Talbott and the talk I had with ivir. Kiefer and Mr. Davidson at the bank. Senator Pomerene. Now, let us go to the next proposition here. You speak of $42,000. I am not going into the^ details of the smalle ficrures that vou found were turned over to Mr. Schantz, ^ Pf ^ td^^cT^i ^pall himself and the balance of which was contributed by these other men whom you have named, and this was apparently PRESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2748 U used in some campaign of 1918, and that afterwards it was refunded ^ out of moneys which were . Mr. ScuDDER. 1916, I think. Senator Pomekene, Yes: I thank you very. much for the correc- 1 tion — 1916, which were paid out of the Dayton flood prevention com- mittee. Mr. Schantz did not hesitate about showing you his books, | . did he? j Mr. ScuDDER. Oh. no, no: he just shoAved them. He hesitated, ' may be, at first Senator Po?,ierene.. Well, I know Mr. ScuDDER. But he showed me everything, j Senator Pomerene. And he was perfectly frank about his whole statement ? j Mr. ScuDDER. Yes: he opened it all up to me, and before I got ^ through I had the whole thing. [ Senator Po.aierexe. And these other gentlemen opened up the matter and told you about the situation, did they ? Mr. ScuDDER. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerexe. There was not any attempt to conceal it after ij they found that you wanted to get it, was there? I Mr. ScuDDER. I do not know of any. ,1 Senator Po^ierexe. Except that the only hesitation they had j ^as I Mr. ScuDDER. In having it made public : that is all. I Senator Pomerexe. In having it made public. And Judge 13. F. I McCann represented Mr. Schantz and these other gentlemen at the ' time, did he? ^Ir. ScuDDER. Yes, sir. L., Senator Pomerexe. I think they sort of exacted a promise from I you that you would make no disclosures except as these various items j] might affect the War Department or the airplane manufacture? j Mr. ScuDDER. Yes, sir. They asked me, and I told them I would 1 have to report to Judge Hughes, but that I would see to it that the word was deliAered to him that it was important from their stand- point that it should not be made public. , Senator Pomerexe. Your jurisdiction was to look into matters li which related to the War Department and the airplane business as ' connected with the War Department ? Mr. ScuDDER. I understood that; yes. |! Senator Pomerexe. And as a public accountant you realized fidly M that you might get into some of their own affairs which did not per- \ tain to you, and which they might have a delicacy about making f>j public ? " |fi| Mr. ScuDDER. Yes, sir : I tried to be very careful. h Senator Pomerexe. And so you learned, did you not, during the w time that you were here, of the great flood of 1913 ? Mr. ScuDDER. Yes, sir; I was told about that. Sonator Po:\rEREXE. And you. I take it, got some idea of the devas- , tating Avork of that flood throughout this city and all through this • Miami Valley? Mr. ScT DUER. Xearly everyone talked to me about it. V Senator Pomerexe.' The fact of the matter was that that was a subject that was uppermost in the minds of most of the people? Mr. ScuDDER. It seemed to be. 2744 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. ^Senator Pomekene. It was a matter of great loss to this section of the State, amounting perhaps to hundreds of millions of dollars. Mr. ScT DDEK. I don't know what the figure was, but it evidently was a very great catastrophe. Senator Pomerene. And you learned also, did you not, that very early after this flood these good citizens down here began to counsel together with a view of reestablishing themselves and reestablishing this community? Mr. Scudder. les. Senator Pomerene. And that they contemplated at that time some conservancy legislation, in order to provide against a repetition of this flood destruction? Mr. Scudder. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. You learned all of that? Mr. Sci^ER. I did ; yes, sir. Senator PoisrERENE. And you found also, did you not, that men like Schantz and Talbott and Deeds, Kettering and Kidder and Tait and Col. Patterson and other gentlemen here were most active in helping along that work ? Mr. Sci DDER. Well, I don't know just about Kettering and Col. Patterson, but I do know that Mr. Schantz did a great deal of work in that connection, and Mr. Talbott. Senator Pomerene. And that one of the first things they did was to raise a large sum here, amounting,, perhaps, to a couple of millions of dollars, as a preliminary step to the final development of a con- servancy system ? Mr. Scudder. I think th^y did that to relieve the sufferers and tried to help them along. Senator Pomerene. During the campaign of 1916, you knew, did you not, that there was a good deal of a contest on here between those people who had been the sufferers in this flood and other people who perhaps had not been victims of the flood, and that to some extent entered into the campaign of 1916? You knew that, did you not ? Mr. Scudder. Well, I didn't think that entered into the campaign in 1916. Senator Pomerene. Well, if you do not know about it, we will perhaps call out that fact later on. Now, whatever funds were raised in connection with this campaign, you found that they passed through Mr. Schantz's hands, did you ? Mr. Scudder. The 1916 campaign? Senator Pomerene. Yes. Mr. Sci^DDER. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And you speak of some money taken from the flood-prevention fund and that was turned back to this Dayton Metal Products Co. ? Mr. Scudder. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Now, these men, Talbott and Kettering, and some one else here were interested in both the conservancy proposi- tion, and they were also interested in the business of the Davton Metal Products Co. ? Mr. Scudder. I think that is true, with the exception of Kettering. I don't think that Kettering, to my recollection, was an inventor. I think he attended to the business of the company. Senator Po^ierene. Well, you named three of these gentlemen. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2745 Mr. ScuDDER. Col. Deeds was active and Col. Talbott in the con- servancy. Senator Pomerexe. And who was the third ? Mr. SouDDER. You spoke of Mr. Kettering. Senator Pomerene. Oh, yes. Mr. vScuDDER. He was the third. I don't think he had much to do with it. I may have been wrong. Senator Pomerene. Xow, the testimony you have given here with regard to the amount which was raised and the disposition of that money and the repayment to this fund you have taken from the books of the company, have you ? Mr. ScuDDER. Yes, sir: absolutely. Senator Pomerene. And you do not mean to suggest that any part of that fund — I used the figures a moment ago, $37,000, but you spoke of the total amounting to about S42,000, I ]3elieve — you do not know that any part of that fund Avas used either directly or indirectly in connection with the present presidential campaign or the present senatorial campaign ? Mr. ScuDDER. I have no thought that it was. Senator Pomerene. Xo, of course not ; and you never talked with Gov. Cox about that fund, did you? Mr. ScuDDER. I never met Gov. Cox. Senator Pomerene. I think that is all I care to inquire. Senator Edge. There are just two or three more questions I want to ask vou to make the record clear. Did vou ever trv to see Gov.» Cox? Mr. ScuDDER. Yes. Senator Edge. In connection with this $5,000 note? Mr. ScuDDER. Yes. Senator Edge. What effort did you make? Mr. ScroDER. I asked where he was. and the}^ said he was away. Senator Edge. Did you make any other effort at a later time when you were here? Mr. ScuDDER. Yes; he was here at no time that I was here that I could find. Senator Edge. In investigating the books or the minutes of tlie flood prevention commission, what did you ascertain was the scope of that organization, and what was it organized for? Mr. ScuDDER. That was the original committee that collected from the citizens of Dayton funds to relieve the sufferers and work toward a preA^ention of the recurrence of the flood, as I understand it, just after the flood had occurred. Senator Edge. Did they obtain their money through voluntary I public subscription ? Mr. Scudder. Public subscription, as I understand it. Senator Edge. What relation did this disbursement that you testi- fied to this morning, authorized by the meeting held on February 3, have with the original subscription by the Dayton Metal Products Co. further than you have described ? Do you know of any further relation through the various Mr. Scudder. No; other than that it went to these men that we spoke about and then to Mr. Schantz and then to the Dayton Metal j Products. 2476 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. Then did you understand from your investigatioi' of the books of Mr. Schantz" and the books of the Dayton Flood Prs vention Commission and the books of the Dayton Metal Product Co. that in reality the money appropriated by' the flood preventiorj ^ commission was eventually paid back to the Dayton Metal Product^^ Co., those orifjinal subscriptions? Mr. 8cudi)i:r. There is no question about that. Senator P^dge. And that money gathered by the Dayton Flood Prevention Commission, or committee, was all voluntary subscrip- tions from citizens? Mr. ScuDDEPv. Yes, sir ; as I understand it. Senator Edge. I think you testified this morning that Mr. what is the name of the ])resident of the company? Mr. ScuDDER. Talbott. Senator Edge. That Mr. Talbott told you when you inquired as to the use of this money that it was for campaign purposes, did you not? Mr. Scudder. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. What money do you refer to ? Senator Edge. The income from the $5,000 note. What is your ansAver ? Mr. Scudder. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Are you familiar Avith the fact that the corrupt practices act of Ohio make it illegal for a corporation to contribute for campaign purposes? 0 Senator Pomerene. The Ohio statute governs that. Senator Edge. I understand that. Mr. Scudder. Well, I do not know about that. Senator Edge. I want to bring the fact out. Senator. AVere you familiar with the investigation of the flood-prevention finances, with the fact that they had a rather large balance of over $100,000 after these disbursements were made? Mr. Scudder. ¥\^ell, I did not look at their ledger. I looked at the minute book. I do not know. Senator Edge. We will get that from somebody else. That is all : thank you, Mr. Scudder. (Witness excused.) TESTIMONY OF MR. ADAM SCHANTZ. The witness was duly sworn by Senator P^dge. Senator Edge. Give your name and business address to the re- porter. Mr. Schantz. Adam Schantz, executor and trustee of the Adam Schantz estate. Senator Edge. Residence, Dayton ? Mr. Schantz. Oakwood, Dayton, Ohio. I also have other interests. Senator Edge. I understand that 3^our interests are rather general. Mr. Schantz, speaking of interests, what has been your business when you were in active business? Mr. Schantz. As executor and trustee of the estate. Senator Edge. Wliat was the business of the estate? Mr. Schantz. General real estate. Senator Edge. Were they in any other business ? Mr. Schantz. Oh, they had holdings in various corporations. PEESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2747 Senator Edge. Have you ever been interested, or Avas tlie estate in- terested, in the breAving business ? Mr. ScHAXTz. Yes ; we were at a time ; not noAv. Senat<)r Edge. It is not a particularly prosperous business now ^ Mr. ScHAXTz, There formerly Avere six breAveries here, and now there are 20,000. Senator Edge. Mr. Schantz, you seem to haA^e been the disbursino- agent of a large fund, or a fund of $37,000, raised bv subscriptions which I assume that you have heard mentioned in the evidence this morning ? Mr. ScHAXTz. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Is that correct ? Mr. ScHAXTz. Yes. sir. Senator Edge. This may be a little unusual, but i am trvino- to save time. Senator Pomerene. Without my taking the time to^isk the same questions corroborating the statement ^reneraliv by Mr. Scudder— though I will if necessary— do you agree Avith the statement as made by Mr. Scudder, so far as it relates to the pa3^ments by the Dayton Metal Products Co. of various sums to A^arious*^ officers of the company, afterAvards indorsed to you and cashed by you ^ Mr. S( HAXTz. Pretty much. Senator P^dge. You have no specific correction to make to that testi- mony ? Mr. ScHAXTz. Xo. My memorandums of 191G, Avhen this disburse- ment Avas made, were after the distribution destroyed, and I speak of it only in a general Avay. Senator P:d(;e. I had not reached that, but A^our memoranda of tiie distribution of this $37,000, or such part of it as vou made distribution of, are not noAv in existence? Mr. ScHAXTz. Those memorandums are not in existence, only as the records Avill shoAv at the office of the secretary of state, Avhere^ the reports Avere filed by the activities in connection Avith flood i^rotec- tion only. Senator Edge. Then, as I understand it, this sum Avas expended by you for political purposes? Mr. ScHAXTZ. Elood-protection purposes, T Avould put it; that is what Ave had in mind, and these gentlemen on this flood-prevention committee had nothing else in mind but the protection of this citv and valley. Senator Eikje. I am going to permit you to make any statement you want to make, but I Avould like to get my questions ansAvered in se- quence, so far as possible. I do not Avant to stop vou making any statement m the Avorld you Avish to make. You sav that Avas for flood-preA'ention purposes? Mr. ScHAXTz. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. But the expenditure of moneys for purely flood-pre- vention purposes, as I Avould infer your meaning, Avould not require filing a statement at Columbus, unless they Avere campaign expendi- tures, Avould they? Mr. Sc 'HAX'Tz. It AA^as an expenditure to protect the law, and the campaign entered into it. Sentaor Edge. In other words, you considered it within the pur- vicAv of the corrupt practices act, or you would not have filed a statement of these expenses at Columbus, would you? 2748 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. ScHANTZ. It was considered best to file the accounts, so these various organizations did. Senator Edge. Therefore, you as the disbursing agent, considered that you were spending this money for campaign purposes ? Mr. SciiANTz. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Or you would not have filed it otherwise, would you? Mr. ScHANTz. Well, it was a matter of protection. Senator Edge. Yes, I see. Can you tell us, from memory, how these amounts were disbursed as afterAvards filed at Columbus? Mr. ScHANTz. Ma}^ I, in n>y own way, relate to you how this fund was created? Senator Edge. How it was created ? Mr. ScHANTz. Yes; and how it was disbursed. Senator Edge. As I said before, Mr. Schantz, you may tell us in your own way anything you w^ant to tell us, but 1 would like to get my questions answered and then perhaps you could tell us that better afterwards. Mr. Schantz. Well, yes. Now, if you will examine the records as filed Avith the Secretary of State by the Forward Looking Associa- tion of Ohio, the Workmen's Compensation League and the Inde- pendent Voters' League of Cuyahoga County Senator Edge. All right. There are three of these societies that you contributed money to that you afterwards filed the expense ac- count at Columbus to cover ? Mr. Schantz. Yes, sir. I did not file them ; these various or- ganizations filed them. Senator Edge. Then, as I understand it, you paid the cash direct to the organizations? Mr. Schantz. To the various members of the organizations. Senator Edge. To the various members of the organizations? Mr. Schantz. Yes. There Avere three different organizations and there had to be different members. Senator Edge. Did you give this mone}^ to more than one man rep- resenting each of the organizations? Mr. Schantz. Yes; in several instances. Senator Edge. Well, for instance, the Forward Looking Associa- tion of Ohio; you can remember, can you not, to whom you gave the money as representing that association ? Mr. Schantz. Why, one I remember as being Mr. Mason, of Hamilton, Ohio. Senator Edge. Any others? Mr. Schantz. I do not know whether I ought to mention the gen- tleman's name. He is not here to defend himself. Senator Edge. Well. I do not think that is necessary. Mr. Schantz. The gentleman died just recently. Senator Edge. Were there any others that you do remember? Mr. Schantz. I gave to Mr. Hartley : I gave to Mr. Senator Pomerene (interposing). What organization did Mr Hartley represent? Mr. 'Schantz. The Independent Voters' League, of Cuyahoga County. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2749 Senator Edge. You do not remember any others that you gave in the Forward Looking Association excepting Mr. Mason and the other gentleman you have mentioned? Mr. ScHANTz. As I said, the one gentleman has passed away. Senator Edge. Are there any others? Mr. ScHANTz. To the Forward Looking Association? I think there were several contributions made around to friends who sub- scribed. Senator Edge. Directly by you? Mr. ScHANTz. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Then, as a matter of fact, you gave to several indi- viduals representing the Forward Looking Association ? Mr. ScHANTz. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. But the names you are not positive of. Is that it ? Mr. ScHANTz. I am not positive of the names only this one name that I do not care to disclose. The gentleman died only recently. Senator Edge. I have not asked you that. What is the Forward Looking Association of Ohio; Avhat is their object? Mr. ScHANTz. There was a condition here in 1916 when the flood - prevention law was being attacked, and we felt it our duty to take an interest to have some one there to guard that law. At that time Gov. Cox was a candidae against Mr. Willis. There Avere those in the northern part of the State Senator Edge. Against Mr. who? Senator Pomerene. Willis. Mr. ScHANTz. Willis. In the northern part of the State — Miami, Shelby, Auglaize, Hardin County — there were those that wei-e oppos- ing us. Fearing that if this flood-prevention work went on Senator Pomerene (interposing). Will you allow me to correct you? You do not quite mean the northern part of the State? Mr. SciiANTz. North of us. I Senator Pomerene. The northern part of the district? Mr. ScHANTz. Of the district; yes. They were opposing us. We felt that inasmuch as Gov. Cox lived in the city that he would stand by the law. He had interests here ; he had passed through this flood ; he knew what it was; and it was evident to us that in the northern part of the district an effort was being made in behalf of Mr. Willis. So we concbided to make an effort in behalf of Gov. Cox. Senator Edge. Then this money was contributed, if I understand >vou correctly, to the Forward Looking Association in the interest of Gov. Cox? Mr. ScHANTz. In the interest of flood protection in that manner. Senator Edge. You have just stated, I think, and your own ex- /planation is that you were backing Gov. Cox's campaign against Mr. Willis. I think I could properly take that inference. • Mr. SciiANTz. I suppose that is the construction that you miglit put on it; yes, sir. But what we had uppermost in mind was this: Mind you, this flood prevention committee was composed of Re- publicans and Democrjits alike; that made no difference. What we .had uppermost in mind Avas flood protection, to preserve the law. I Senator Pomerene. In other words, as I understand you, you were ; interested in the campaign for the benefit of flood protection and of j^property here as against those who were fighting, and it Avas in no i ■ 2750 PRESIDENTIAL (^AMPAIGN EXPENSES. sense a political proposition in the ordinary acceptation of that term ? Mr. ScHANTz. That was the thought entirely. Senator Ed(je. Had you any reason to believe that Goa^ Willis, if he had been elected, would have opposed the protection of the lives and property of your city? Mr. ScHANTz. Gov. Willis, had he lived in Dayton, might have taken the same interest, but we doubt very much if he would have been interested in it. Senator Edge. I asked you the question a few moments ago what the objects of the Forward Looking Association might be as an as- sociation beyond the fact that they were interested in the election of Gov. Cox and your protection? What is the association? What was it formed of? Mr. SciiANTz. I don't know anything about that. I don't know. I did not form the association. Senator Edge. If you did not know anything about the asso:-ia- tion Mr. ScHANTz (interrupting). I did not form the association. Senator Edge. I did not ask you that, Mr. Schantz. If you did not know anything about the association, do you not think it was rather unusual to give them sums aggregating $12,000, unless you knew what the association or its representatives would do with the money ? Mr. Schantz. Yes ; it was to assist us when the time came to pro- tect the law — the flood-prevention law. Senator Edge. AVhat influence particularly could tiiis association have in protecting that law? Mr. Schantz. Why, I suppose, perhaps, in the working out of it Gov. Cox would have obtained the benefit of it, and we relied upon him. Senator Edge. You relied upon him, but we are now dealing with the Forward Looking Association ? Mr. Schantz. Yes. Senator Edge. To whom you gave a large sum of money? Mr. Schantz. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Surely 3^ou know what the Forward Looking Asso- ciation meant politically. What did it mean ? Mr. Schantz. You can tell by looking at the report at Columbus, filed with the secretary of state, just what it Avas for. I have asked Mr. Scudder to go to Columbus and get this report from the secretary of state, but it seems he was not gracious enough to do so. Senator Edge. Well, Mr. Schantz, I have here wdiat purports to be a certified copy of the statement of the Forward Looking Association, of Ohio, filed w^ith the secretary of state. I will, in as much as it re- lates directly to the statement that this money w^as spent in the inter- est of the election of Mr. Cox, offer it as an exhibit. [The document referred to is filed with the committee as " Schantz Exhibit No. 1."] A^arious amounts appear upon this statement under the head of statement of receipts," and following that the names of numerous men, which mean nothing to me beyond the names and the amounts. I will read some of them. George Ozias, Davton, Ohio, $750 ; E. E. Burkhart, Dayton, Ohio, $250; M. J. Schwab, Davton, Ohio, $500; George F. Burba, Dayton, Ohio, $100; E. Musselman, Dayton, Ohio, $250; C. M. Grosser, Day- PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2751 ton, Ohio, $200 ; B. Shaman, Dayton, Ohio, $250, and so on, a lareration between county. State, and Federal Government was established. There came also under the. Cox adiuinistration the reform of the jury system, the simplification of judicial procedure, the half holiday at election time, the law for at least two pay days a month, the standard caboose law, the purchase of life-saving equipment for mines, the survey for occupational diseases, the bill providing for removal of ofhcials. the primary election, home rule for cities, the ci^'il-service law, the initiative jiiid veferondrim. strengthening of the public utilities law. a law tc protect innocent investors from fraudulcnr spc>cu- lators, an act purifying elections, the law providing defense against tul)erciilosis, and the liquor-license law, under constituticmal mandate, which regulates the trafBc. ■ The efficient and benevolent plan for the care of the State's unfortunates * under the board of administration, wliich continued free from the liand (»f the spoilsman, with sympatlietic treatment from the executive and legishitive de- partments. Every thought was given to helpful human activity. Two years ago api)eal was made by misrepresentation of facts and th? liold- ing out of promises which v\ere not meant to be kept. Candidate Willi^- said there was a deficit in tlie State treasury of $4,800,000. As governor lie re- ceipted for $11,670,491.30 in cash. With his "little red l)ook " he in;ide charge of useless offices and commissions created by Gov. Cox when most of them had come into affairs before Cox was elected. He said he would restoi'C' lli? outside offices to the statehouse, and he has purchased an 11-story olfice l)uild- ing, not large enough for all the offices, and paid for it with intert^st on tlie cash he said was not in the treasury. He promised elimination of olfices and increased the pay roll for officers $575,000 yearly. He promised increase under the compensation law, which he has not given, but he has by inattention and , reaction lent assistance to those who would destroy the law. Willis confic iiried an alleged political machine, and as governor proceeded by si)oils distrilnUion to build tip a. machine of liis own uneqiialed iri the history of St;ite politics, lie promised economy in State government, and in his first fiscal year he ex- , pended $19,695,902.33, which was a million and a quarter more than was spent in any year preceding him and wiiich was $519,801.89 more than the receipts of all sources (auditor of state report). He stood over the State treasury with ■ $11,670,491.30 in it, and on June 30, 1916, had reduced this surplus to $6,870,- , 423.92 (auditor of state report). He pledged the election of assessors, and then , passed a l.sw which gave to boards of i evision arbitrary powers, under which taxes were raised without reason and without notice. His decentralization of I the license law, with effort to evade his own responsibility for law enforcement, : was rejected by 112,000 votes. I Efficiency has given way to politics. Ohio's only advance has been in the heost of government. With this demonstration, does it not appeal to you that Ohio deserves better ^treatment and that it is about time to begin the forward move? » The Cox ji(lministrati(m has now been in review long enough to be known and (Understood. Its progress is in comparison with the reaction of its successor. 2758 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. The people of Ohio have a right to expect real service. Let us consider wliat we will gain by again electing James M. Cox to administer our State govern- ment. Gov. Cox is pledged to protection and preservation of the compulsory work- man's compensation law, which he had enacted and which he did protect whilp governor. The Democratic platform pledges the Democratic legislature when elected to repeal of the arbitrary features of the present taxation law and the continua- tion of the right of local subdivisions to elect their own assessors. There is promised the enactment of laws that will continue the far-seeing policy of good laws development which will enable the State to secure the fullest benefits afforded by national legislation and national appropriations. As the creator of the school code, which will be his lasting monument. Gov. Cox may be depended upon to perfect that law wherever it may need change, and to continue Ohio in the front rank of the sisterhood of States in educa- cional matters. The day of Gov. Cox's inauguration will see activities renewed on the new penitentiary farm, and an honest effort made to do something for the 1,800 men now confined in the idle house of the penitentiary, where recently was enacted the tragedy of spoils. The State's resources will be conserved, and proper attention to the canals and reservoirs constituting the public park system will be continued by Gov. Cox as it was begun under his former administration. The dark shadow of the spoilsman will be removed from the board of ad- ministration and the blind, the insane, the helpless, and the deficient will be given human care by human hands. A policy will be adopted toward the wards of the State and their welfare with efficient appropriations, which will provide those things for which there is now urgent need. Gov. Cox is a natural executive. He is a business success, and a leader. He stands square on all things. When he gives a pledge he keeps it. He takes the governorship of the State of Ohio as a serious matter and will never permit it to become a joke. He will take the laws as he finds them and enforce them to the letter. He will see that they are changed where he has given his pledu> so to do, and otherwise act where needs develop. The election of Gov. Cox means restoration of honesty, efficiency, humanity and progress in ,the government of Ohio. WIku the people again choose hiu they may once more lift their heads in pride, knowing full well that Ohio wii rank first among all the States in the Union. At the forthcoming election the voters will choose between the progress o: Gov. Cox and the reaction and lack of vision of Gov. Willis. Their ability t(. serve the people and their records of service are the issue. The decision up to all of us who have to live and do business in the State. We will redeem Ohio. The Forward Looking Association of Ohio, M. H. Mathews, Chairman, M. H. Sloman, Secretary, The Schicind Building, Dayton, Ohio. Senator Edge. Do you admit. Avithoiit my asking the number ol questions necessary to establish it, that this meeting Avas held of tlv responsible men of the flood prevention committee on Sunday, Fel - ruary 3, at which time upon vote of this assembly, of the four namt - discussed this morning and given in evidence this morning, a siuu aggregating $26,000 was voted from that association to certain md viduals wdiose names I w ill refer to ^ Mr. ScHANTz. All members were present: T do not recall wh: t four you refer to. Senator Edge. All members were present ? Mr. Sc;hantz. All members were present with the exception ( i Mr. Stoddard, wdio was Senator Edge. What do you mean by all meinl)ers? How mai ^ were there? t-- i i Mr. Sciiaxtz. That meant Col. Deeds, Mr. Talbott, Mr. Kiddi ' Mr. Huffman, myself, and Judge Brown as secretary. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2759 Senator Edge. In other words, those gentlemen constituted the board of directors or board of trustees? Mr. ScHAXTz. Yes, sir ; the committee. Senator Edge. The committee in charge of the receipts and dis- bursements ? * Mr. ScHANTz. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Do you agree that at that meeting a motion was regularly passed to pay to Mr. Hall, Mr. Hartley, Mr. (xarry, Mr. Lloyd. Groecke & Anderson, and Mr. Ozias a sum total of $26,24'2.50 ? AVas that voted at that meeting to be paid to those gentlemen ? Mr. ScHANTZ. They discussed the proposition and decided that in- asmuch as they had expended their funds for flood protection that they should be reimbursed to the extent of $26,000. The question then arose as to the manner in which it should be done, and this man- ner was suggested, and to be ascertained if that would be proper under the circumstances ; and if so, to proceed to collect it and have it turned over to me for distribution. Senator Edge. Was it your usual custom, when you returned this money to the original subscribers, to do it through the agency of a third party ? Mr. ScHANTZ. Usual? Senator Edge. Yes. You distributed other sums, did you not, back to the original subscribers? Mr. ScHANTz. No ; 86.4 per cent of the money subscribed by the people has been returned to them. Senator Edge. That is exactly what I asked you. Was that re- turned to them direct or through some one else indorsing it to them ? Mr. ScHANTz. It was returned to them direct. Senator Edge. Then why was it necessary to adopt this new policy in the case of this particular sum ? Mr. ScHANTZ. That question was taken up to ascertain whether that would be a satisfactory way, and it was said that it would be, and, therefore, we decided to do it that way. Senator Pomerene. Let me ask you a question. Senator Edge, iire these questions asked of Mr. Scliantz on the theory that he is a candidate for President? Senator Edge. No, indeed. They are asked on the theory, my dear Senator, that it is our duty to investigate these funds, which it has been admitted were for the purpose of electing Gov. Cox, and which we are here to investigate, and to ascertain all of the ramifications that entered into the disbursement of the flood money in the city of Day- ton. I can not find it out in any other way except by asking. Senator Pomerene. I did not know that we were here for the pur- pose of investigating the Ohio campaign of 1916. I might want to make some investigation if we are going to go into that. Senator Edge. My understanding is that we are clearly here for that purpose, upon request of Senator Reed that we take up and con- sider the two charges or leads as we have termed them, that were iriven to us by Mr. Lockwood, one the $37,000 matter and the other the $5,000 note and check, both of which are so apparently inter- twined. Senator Pomerene. You quite understand, do you not, that this las no relation whatever either to this presidential campaign or to he senatorial campaign? 2760 PRESIDENTIAL CAiMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. Absolutely, Senator. Senator Pomerene. Undoubtedly so; and because Mr. Lockwood was there Avith a bluff and Senator Reed called it, you think we ought to spend all this time to go into it. If you do, I am not going to object. Senator Edge. Let me put it the other way. I tried to make it clear this morning, and I think I did. T thoroughly appreciate that every particle of this investigation is absolutely outside of the juris- diction of our committee as originally formed. There is no question about it. I am only here, and I am sure you likewise, because we were appointed a subcommittee to take up these specific things. If you do not want to take them up, I am ready to stop this minute. i Senator Pomekene. I am simply calling attention to the fact that we are doing something now that is wholly without the jurisdiction of this subcommittee. More than that, there is not any one Senator a member of this committee that has any j)ower to give jurisdiction on this subject. Jurisdiction can only be given by the United States Senate. Now, if vou still want to go into it, you can. The fact of the matter is, I am free to say, I do not charge yow Y/ith bad faith in this matter; but the men who have presented this are not exercising good faith. If any of those o-entlemen are here, thev understand the English language when T use it. Senator Edge. Senator, I am only aoing to answer that with this one thought. There is, in my judgment^ a connecting link in tht demand on the part of Senator Reed. We have been and are entirely within our jurisdiction, investigating charges made by Gov. Cox of sinister influences, etc., in connection with this campaign. It does to some extent, in my judgment, and that of the American peo- ple, enter into it whether Gov. Cox, in previous campaigns, has been to some extent associated, either directly or indirectly, with corporation contribution to campaigns. It makes some difference as to the sincerity of his charges now. Senator Pomerene. Oh, no; it has nothing Avhatever to do Avith it. You have not connected him Avith any of these contributions except the one of the $5,000, and that is aAvay back and in another local matter. The truth of the matter is that these suggestions are ap- parently made by some one Avho is a reincarnation of the harpies that befouled the "^f easts of the ancients. Senator Edge. Do you Avant us to continue the investigation ^ Senator Pomerene. Do just as you choose— Avith that observation. Senator Edge. I am entirely ready to cease at any mom.ent myself. It is not at all pleasant, and it is not my particular interest in public life. Senator Pomerene. I think that is true. Senator Edge. Thank vou. Will you go back, Mr. Reporter, tc your last notes before the Senator and I started this discussion. (The official reporter read as foUoAVS :) Senator Edge. Then, ^^•lly was it necessary to adopt this new policy in th< case of this particnh-ir sumV ... ,.1, Mr ScHANTz. That particular question was taken up, to ascertain wnetnei that would he a satisfactory way, and it wa>s said it would he, and therefor* we decided to do it that way. Senator Edge. Mr. Schantz, I have no desire to embarrass yoi further to get the facts. You apparently— correct me if I an PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2761 wrong — adopted that rule simply to apply in this one particular case? Mr. ScHANTz. Yes: I felt that they were entitled to have their money returned because these gentlemen have all Avorked faithfully, and in that manner it was decided in this case to do it that way. Senator Edge. The return through the third party is what I mean ? Mr. ScHANTz. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. Now, approximately what balance did you have, or have you now, in the funds of the Dayton Flood Prevention Asso- ciation ? Mr. ScHANTz. I would say $150,000 — one hundred and fifty-two or three thousand dollars. We have already distributed 86.4 per cent, which will give back, as soon as the engineer says we are out of difficulty, nearly every dollar that they originally put into it, less some interest. Senator Edge. Well, if you had this rather comfortable balance, why w^as it necessary for these seven gentlemen or the Dayton Metal Products Co., or both, to " chip in " this particular specific sum of $37,000? Mr. ScHANTz. Well, that was the course that vv^as decided upon, and that was the reason it was done. We met and decided to take an interest, and that is the way it started. Senator Edge. Had you not previously as citizens made contribu- tions to the fund outside of this $37,000? Mr. ScHANTz. To the flood prevention? Senator Edge. Yes ; to the flood fund. Mr. ScHANTz. Oh, yes, sir. Senator Edge. All of you ? Mr. ScHANTz. All of us ; yes, sir. Senator Edge. Then was not this particular $37,000 for a special purpose ? Mr. ScHANTz. It w^as for the protection of the law. Senator Edge. What was the special purpose, beyond the purpose of all the money that was subscribed for flood prevention ? Mr. ScHANTz. AYhat was the purpose Senator Edge. What was the special purpose of this specific sum, requiring an extra appropriation from you prominent gentlemen? What was the special necessity of this fund outside of the regular fund? ^You had $150,000 left? Mr. ScHANTz. Out of the goodness of our hearts we thought we would go along and see whether or not we could protect the law. Senator Edge. What do you mean by " protecting the law " ? Mr. ScHANTz. Whether we could not bring about a condition that would protect the law. You understand, they were trying to amend 'i and distort and torture and do everything to the law. Senator Edge. AVho was? Mr. ScHANTz. Why, the enemies on the north of the district. Senator Edge. Had there been any actual legislation introduced ' that would have been fatal to your project? Mr. ScHANTZ. We felt so. Senator Edge. What was it? j Mr. ScHANTz. I do not just recall any more what the attempts 2762 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. Was there any effort made on the part of members of the legishiture or any member of the legislature to have an audit of the funds of the prevention committee or association? Mr. ScHANTz. Of the flood-protection fund ? Senator EdcxE. Yes. Mr. Shantz. No. Senator Edge. There never had been any? Mr. ScHANTz. No ; not of the flood-prevention fund. Senator Edge. Well, is the statement incorrect which I read in the newspaper here, which says you made such a statement? It reads as follows : There were various amendments. I asked Mr. Schantz — Senator Pomerene. What are you reading from? Senator Edge. I am reading from a proof, which was afterwards printed, of an article in the Brooklyn Standard Union, by Mr. Charles P. Clark, who is subpoenaed here as a witness. I thought I would save time by asking Mr. Schantz if this statement that Mr. Clark made was correct. The statement says : And a motion to liave an audit of the books of the flood-prevention com- mittee — Senator Pomerene. If you are laying a foundation for a contradic- tion, give us the date of when this alleged statement was made anc the place where it was made. Senator Edge. I will lead up to that. Were you approached by Mr. Charles P. Clark, an editor of the Brooklyn Standard Union ? Mr. Schantz. Yes, sir. , Senator Edge. About when was that ? Mr. Schantz. Several weeks ago. Senator Edge. Did you give him an interview ? Mr. Schantz. He spoke to me about various matters. He asked me a number of questions. Senator Edge. Is this particular statement that I read a correct presentation of Mr. Clark's question and your answer : " What was the terrible danger that threatened the flood-prevention law ? " " There were various amendments," he [meaning you] answered. ''And a motion to have an audit of the books of the flood-prevention committee and the Miami conservanc}^ district," Mr. Clark suggested. " Just so." Mr. Schantz. Absolutely wrong about the Senator Edge. Let me continue. Senator Pomerene. Let him finish his answer. Mr. Schantz. Absolutely wrong Mr. Clark is when he makes that statement. He did ask me about amendments, but the question of auditing the books of the conservancy district was not spoken of at all. ' * Senator Edge. I did not reach that, really. The next question was: "And the man who proposed the audit in the legislature was defeated," said I [meaning Mr. Clark]. "Exactly," said Mr. Schantz. Is that incorrect? Mr. Schantz. Absolutely wrong; absolutely. Senator Edge. Then your testimony is that there was no effort made to audit the books of the flood-prevention commission by any member of the legislature ? PKESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2763 ^ Mr. SciiANTz. Of the flood-prevention fund? \ Senator E4 ge. Or of the Miami conservancy district ? 5 Mr. Scha^nTZ. You asked me whether or not 1 said that to Mr. I Clark. Senator Edge. I read the article to you, Mr. Schantz. Mr. Schantz. Yes : and I told you absolutely no. Senator Edge. Yes. Xow I am folloAving it up by asking you to • say if there was something else meant by this and that this might be a wrong impression. Mr. Schantz. Yes. Senator Edge. Has there been any effort made to have an audit of i the books of the Miami conservancy district ? t Mr. Schantz. I am not familiar with the Miami conservancv dis- trict matters, only to the extent that when I am asked to acquire a property or to take an interest in the adjustment of cases, I do not follow up those things. I attend the meeting of the flood-prevention . committee. I am not a member of the conservancy board. I have j no knowledge of those things. Senator Edge. Well, you say you have not any knowledge. Then i you could be mistaken as to there being an effort to audit the books of the Miami conservancy district, could you? You could be mis- taken as to there having been an effort to audit the books? Mr. Schantz. I did hear that there Avas an effort made. Senator Edge. Oh. there was an effort? Mr. Schantz. Yes, Senator Edge. Oh, I understood you to say there was not. There i was an effort made to audit those books ? Mr. Schantz. So I am told : yes. Senator Edge. \Vas the man who made that effort defeated for reelection to the legislature ? Mr. Schantz. Well. I did not speak about that to Mr. Clark at all. Senator Edge. Well. I have dropped that: I am just asking you whether you recall that he was defeated? Mr. Schantz. I think Mr. Barnes was defeated. Senator Edge. What district did he represent ? Mr. Schantz. He was a local representative. Senator Edge. From this county? Mr. Schantz. Yes. sir. Senator Edge. Did you consider tl\e activity of a legislator to have , the accounts audited as being opposed to the development of your general protective scheme? Mr. Schantz. I had no interest in that matter at all. Senator Edge. Apparently, from the results the people of the county did not appreciate his activity in having them audited ? Is not that apparent ? Mr. Schantz. Well, however it appears to you. Senator Edge. He was defeated anyhow? Mr. ScHAXTz. Yes: so I understand. Mr. McMahon. He was defeated for renomination in the Re- 1 publican convention. Mr. Schantz. He was defeated in the Republican primaries. Senator Edge, I have not any interest in this particular proposi- tion as a matter of politics, I understand most of these gentlemen 2764 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. are Kepublicans. I am glad they are using most of that good judg- ment. Senator Pomerene. I know most of these men by reputation, and judging from that reputation they are quite as good citizens as you have in any State of the Union, even New Jersey, and I am quite sure that no one that knows any of them would charge them with pilfer- ing funds. Senator Edoe. That question seems to center mainly on the meth- ods pursued. I do not think there is any other thought about it. Now, Mr. Schantz, let us see who these men were to whom you paid, or ordered payments drawn, who were the dummies between the flood-prevention committee and the gentlemen to whom they after- w^ards indorsed their checks. Mr. Edward T. Hall seems to be the first item — for services as per agreement ; three years, 1915, 1916, and 1917, at $2,800 per year, a total of $8,400. What were Mr. Hall's services for which he should be paid $2,800 per year? Mr. Schantz. Could I explain that in this manner Senator Edge. In any manner, so I can get an answer to m}^ ques- tion. Mr. Schantz. 1 hope it will be satisfactory to you. At this meet- ing, at which all members were present and voted for the return of this money, it was suggested that men that had been identified wdth this flood prevention work be called into a conference, and they asked me whether I would have a talk with them. I sent for these gentle- men and told them what we had done for flood protection and the protection of the law, and that we felt these gentlemen were entitled to be reimbursed, and would they make out their bills. Senator Edge. Would which gentleman make out their bills? Mr. Schantz. These gentlemen that you referred to. Senator Edge. Mr. Hall, for instance? Mr. Schantz. Yes, sir. And they said they would be glad to do so. Senator Edge. Well, what had been Mr. Hall's services? Mr. Schantz. Well, he had a general interest in the flood protection law. Senator Edge. A general interest? Mr. Schantz. Yes ; like every one of us would have. Senator Edge. Well, do you think that would be a substantial reason for voting him $2,800 a year for three years, because he was in- terested in the law ? Mr. Schantz. You will thoroughly understand that the bill was made out to reimburse us. Senator Edge. Mr. Schantz, that is just precisely what I wanted to find out. May I repeat that it is not pleasant at all for me to try to bring this out by continued questions ? Is it not a fact that these men— Edward T. Hall, Gale M. Hartley, D. Gara, John Lloyd, and so on — were simply dummies to whom pay- ments were made to equal the sum of $26,000 for the sole purpose of having it go through the books that way, and indorsed from them over to vou to reimburse Talbott, Kittering, etc. ? Mr. Schantz. Eor the moneys that they expended for the protec- tion of the law ; ves. Senator Edge.' All right. Then why did you not vote that money direct to these seven men ? PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2765 Mr. ScHAXTz. I mean the whole committee. This matter was taken up with the secretary to ascertain whether it would be satisfactory in this manner. It was re])orted that it would be. and that is the reason it came there. I am but one member. Senator Edge. Did it meet your approval ? Mr. ScHAXTz. It met Avith the approval of all. Senator Edge. AVell. I admire that answer. As a matter of fact, I . would not have asked you the question if I had ^iven it a second thought. I mean. I admire it because I did not ask you to make any discrimination. Then, summing it all up, as a matter of fact, this $37,000 campaign fund, or at least the part that was expended — $26,000 and odd Mr. ScHAXTz. $26,000 was what we received. Senator Edge. It was really paid by the taxpayers of this vicinity ? Mr. ScHAXTZ. Absolutely not. Senator Edge. Why not? Mr. ScHAXTz. It was paid out of the fund that Avas created by peo- ple that gave it and never expected it back. Senator Edge. They are taxpayers, are they not, most of them? Mr. ScHAXTz. They have already received 86.4 per cent, and will receive $150,()()() and more as soon as the engineer Avill say Ave are I out of trouble. Senator Edge. Well, you are going to issue bonds, as I understand it, under the ncAv plan of the Miami conservancy commission? Mr. ScHAXTz. I am not a member of the board and knoAv nothing of that. Senator Edge. Well, as a matter of business judgment, if your commission is going to go on they must issue bonds, must they not? ' Mr. ScHAXTz. I imagine it Avill become necessary because of the tremendous costs that have come up Avith material and labor. Senator Edge. A perfectly simple business proposition — to issue bonds for a public improvement of that character? Mr. ScHAXTz. Absolutely; A^es, sir. Senator Edge. I^ltimately the taxpayers of this district, or what- ever the financial arrangement is, must pay interest on the l^onds and pay off the bonds, must they not ? Mr. ScHAXTz. Well, I suppose so. Senator Edge. Indirectly if not directly? Mr. ScHAXTz. It has nothing to do Avith the conservancy matter. This Avas a fund that Avas put up by these people that gave it and \ neyer expected it back. This is a flood-protection fund. ) Senator Edge. I understand that, but the fact remains that this 1 part of it — this $26,000 fund which you have testified Avas spent for various political propaganda and actiA^ty — has been paid for from t those subscriptions that came in in various Avays, but was not paid h directly by these gentlemen ? ^ Mr. ScHAXTz. WhA^ my dear man, that may have meant to them 1 the saving of $100,006,000^for all you knoAv. Senator Edge. I am not questioning that at all, Mr. Schantz. Mr. ScHAXTz. All right. Senator Edge. Xow, there is just one other matter I Avant to get jl cleared up, Mr. Schantz, and I will be through. I notice in going over these figures that Mr. Scudder testified to this morning there : was an item deducted from this $26,242.50, the amount voted back by 2766 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. the flood-protection committee, of $3,276.50. Why was that de- ducted?^ Mr. ScHANTz. Because these various gentlemen received these va- rious amounts, and under the law the}^ would be required to pay an income tax, and so we told them we Avould pay that income tax for them. Senator Edgp:. As I understand you, then, you only declared a dividend from this $26,000 of the balance of $22,966 and actually paid these men the $22,036.50, so that they could pay their increased income tax caused by these receipts ; is that it ? Mr. ScHANTz. Well, we were out in the transaction to the extent that we paid their income tax. Senator Edge. That is the same thing. You paid their income tax? Mr. ScHANTz. Yes, sir. In other words, we were not fully reim- bursed for the advances that we had made. Senator Edge. Does it not occur to you as a business man that by adopting this subterfuge — and I think T am fair in using that term — you were costing the Dayton Flood Prevention Society that particu- lar sum, provided you ultimately turned back 100 per cent to all of the subscribers, including these gentlemen ? Mr. ScHANTz. I think what we did was to further the best inter- ests of all the taxpayers of the community. Just last spring when the waters began to rise there was a going to the hills. If that law had been disturbed, see the condition of this community and this en- tire valley. We did it, and we believe we saved the law when it might have been destroyed. Senator Edge. You think you saved the laAv by the expenditure of this $26,000? Mr. ScHANTz. A great deal toward it ; I think so. Senator Edge. Do you not think it would have been a little better if it had been handled in the direct way than in this indirect way we have discussed? Mr. ScHANTz. Well, that perhaps would have been better : though understand, we do not apologize for receiving the money that Ave had t^xpended, because we were not fully reimbursed. Senator Edge. Mr, Schantz, I did not intend to go back to this, but you have made that statement so forcefully. You only invite me to bring this to your attention again after I had disposed of it. Do you not think, if that was your sole object, that it would have been very much more regular if your advertising, for which the large proportion of this money was apparently spent, had at least mentioned flood prevention rather than alone the election of Mr. Cox? Mr. Schantz. That was done by word of mouth. Senator Edge. Can you give this committee any literature for which any portion of this sum was expended which mentions flood prevention ? Mr. Schantz. Only the instructions that the various ones had. Senator P]dge. Only the instructions? Mr. Schantz. Yes. " We Avant flood protection here, and we be- lieve we are safer in the hands of Gov. Cox." Senator Edge. Then am I to understand that your idea of flood prevention was entirely confined to the election of Goa- . Cox ? Mr. Schantz. So far as I am personally concerned: A^es. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2767 Senator Edge. Then have readied the situation that thi^5 money was absolutely and entirely spent in the interest of the elec- tion of Gov. Cox ? Mr. ScHAXTz. I would put it this way — for the preservation of the law through Gov. Cox. Senator Edge. I think that is all. Senator Pomerene. Mr. Schantz, following up that question a little further, the State legislature did pass the conservancy act under which these improvements are being made ? Mr. Schantz. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. And at the time that bill was pending in the legislature there was very bitter opposition to it in both houses among some of the people who were in the district, was there not ? Mr. Schantz. There was a great deal ; yes. Senator Pomerene. And there was talk about having it repealed, was there not ? Mr. Schantz. Amended. Senator Pomerene. Or modified ? Mr. Schantz. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. In ways that, it was believed by you gentlemen who were interested in and familiar with the subject, would cripple the law ? Mr. Schantz. And take away from it its functioning powers. Senator Pomerene. And they were not only making attacks u})on it in the legislature during the Willis term as governor, but were making attacks in the courts as well? Mr. Schantz. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. That is correct, is it ? Mr. Schantz. Absolutely; continuously. Senator Pomerene. Now, I wish you would tell for the benefit of the record, in a very brief way, what this flood was and what it did in this valley. Mr. vScHANTz (producing a printed pamphlet). I have before me a pictorial history of the great Dayton flood, March 25. 26, 27, 1918. It gives you in a manner a somewhat detailed account of what that flood was. Xow, the flood was on — I will make it as brief as possible — for three days and three nights. My attention Avas first called to it because of my sister and brother-in-law living in the flooded zone. We endeavored to get them out. We tried for several hours and finally succeeded, and we no more than had them out than there was an explosion next door that destroyed the house we had taken them out of. There were seven in the familv. You might know how I felt. There were thousands of cases, thousands of cases. Many lives were lost. Lives are being lost to-day on account of the flood be- cause of the condition that surrounded them. This vjilley to-day, if we did not have flood protection — the city of Dayton is doing fine now, but in 1916 we were not sure. We needed flood protection, because we could not borrow capital, we could not build homes, unless we had protection. I did not go to sleep for three days and three nights — I am speak- ' ing of myself now — and thousands of others did likewise. Sixty thousand people were marooned in the flood, and 60,000 on the outside 2768 PKESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. were enduring just as much anguish as those on the inside, becaustj they did not know what had become of their dear ones. The matter was forcibh^ brought to my attention. I was passing doAvn the street — just to give you an idea — when a Avoman stopped me and says, " Mister, won't you please take me and help find my baby?-" 1 says, "Where do you live?" She told me, On Burn\- Avenue." She says, " Take me out to the N. C. R. Let us see the morgue, whether the baby is there." We went out there, the pooi- Avoman and I. I asked her Avhere her husband Avas, and she failed to answer. We went to the morgue. The baby Avasn't there. I met her several days afterAvards and she says, " Mr. Schantz, in the muck and the mire of that monster on Burns AA^enue Ave found our little baby." A Avoman Avho Avould refuse to ansAver who or Avhere her husband Avas, but had that love for that child, is only one instance of the thousands of cases of distress that Avere entered into. I made up m}^ mind then that much of my time Avould be devoted to the pro- tection of the city and this valley. Hamilton to-day would be noth- ing, MiddletoAvn Avould not be much, and Dayton Avould be doAvn and out unless it Avas for this protection. Fires on all sides. You men Avho Avere not here to witness it have no idea, nor do you haA^e any idea the interest that you Avould take in it if you were here Avhen the spring freshets come along and threaten to destroy this com- munity. NoAv, then, Avhat are Ave to do? I Avas called into a conference and here Ave Avere, a group of men struggling Avith the question of Ava3^s and means to prevent a recurrence. I heard them argue $20,000. I was asked, although not a committee, to come into this conference and to give my vieAvs. I said : Gentlemen, this monster must be strangled and we must go to the limit to give us protection. I say to you, make that fund $2,000,000. It took them a lon^g Avhile to see it. It took them a long while. Finally, I was called upon at the meeting. It seemed we couldn't arouse the enthusiasm, but gradually after several meetings, -and when I was called upon I said : Gentlemen, this tlood-protection fund shall be $2,000,000. Let's give it. What will our property be worth if we do not have this flood protection? We must have it. I have gone to my mother and sisters and brothers, and a>^ executor and trustee of the estate, and there are 50 in the family, and I am proud to say that I am on good terms with all of them. They said, "Adam, do what you think is right." I will subscribe then $120,000 to start this fund— $60,000 for the estate and $60,000 for myself. That statement was made and immediately there Avas an enthusi- asm and it Avas taken up and with a result that the $2,000,000 mark was reached and exceeded, because of the final efforts of such men as Col. Deeds, Mr. Kettering, Mr. Patterson, and the Talbotts and the Kidders, and so on. Senator Pomerene. Mr. Tait ? Mr. Schantz. Mr. Tait also. Senator Edge. May I ask you a question ? Mr. Schantz. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. I understand your 84 per cent has been returned? Mr. Schantz. 86.4 per cent. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2769 Senator Edge. I do not think I orot it clear from your testimony. ; From what source has the money come to reimburse these ori>ge. When did they sell their first securities? Mr. Talbott. I can't say. Senator P^dge. Approximately 1916 or 1915? Mr. Talbott. I can't give you the date. Senator Edge. All right; that is not important. If you did not ' expect to be reimbursed for this si)ecial fund that came from the 2800 PEESIDENTIAI. CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Dayton MeUxl Products Co., a certain portion of it, and was after- wards returned to them, as testified to b}^ the treasurer of that com- pany, then the sudden decision that you woukl hold this meeting and reimburse yourselves was entirely an afterthouglit, was it? Mr. Talbott. Entirel}^ Senator P^dge. The original contribution was made purely and. simply for campaign purposes? Mr. Talhott. No, sir. Senator E^doe. Well, has not that been testified to? Mr. Talbott. It has. Senator Edge. What was it made for, if not for campaign pur- poses ? Mr. Talbott. It was paid in order to preserve our flood prevention, situation. Senator Ei)(je. You say you are not familiar Avith the details, but you make that positive statement, and you must be familiar, then,, with the fact that tAventy-odd thousand dollars, almost thirty thou- sand, as I recall it, of this money Avas paid directly to three asso- ciations. Mr. Talbott. I knoAv nothing about that. Senator Edge. But you make the statement that it Avas for flood^ prevention. The fact that it was contributed to these seA^eral asso- ciations has been clearly established here. Mr. Talbott. I kneAv nothing about it. Senator Edge. Well, your corporation checks did go for that pur- pose, did they not ? * Mr. Talbott. So far as I knoAV, our checks Avent to Mr. Schantz,. in whom Ave had confidence; and Mr. Schantz Avas the originator of this flood-prevention fimd, a lieavy contributor to it and very active in raising it, ancl it Avas his original idea. Under discus- sion of Avays and means to maintain our position in flood protection for this A^alley Ave men indiAddually agreed to giA^e Mr. Schantz a certain amount of money, and Ave did it; and further than that, we trusted Mr. Schantz to properly disburse it in our interests. Senator Edge. Do you approve of the method he emploj^ed? Mr. Talbott. I do not knoAv the method, except Avhat I heard yesterday. Senator ED(iE. Do you knoAv that it is a A'iolation of the corrupt- practices act to give money to associations for political purposes — and they must haA^e considered it to be for political purposes, be- cause they filed their accounts in Columbus, and then did not recite these contributions ? Senator Pomerene. Noav, let me ask a^ou. are vou reallv going to try Mr. Talbott? Senator Edge. I am going to try to get some facts out of him. Senator Pomerene. Well, I think he is giving you facts. ^ Senator Edge. I think he is doing A^ery Avell. Senator Pomerene. Even if you find they are not Avhat you antici- pated, he might do, under your advice. Senator Edge. I think Ave are doing very Avell. Senator Po:vrERENE. But, of course, if you are going to try Mr. Talbott Iiere for the violation of some Ohio statutes some question might be raised as to my jurisdiction as a sitting member of this subcommittee. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2801 Senator Edge. You know. Senator Pomerene, I have associated so \oniX Avith you. Senator Reed, and other brilliant laAvyers that I find it sometimes is in the interest of the general public to bring out facts even by asking questions so the citizens of the community may he acquainted with them. Senator Pomerene. That is all right. These men are all men of good standing here. Senator Edge. I have not the slightest doubt of it. Senator Pomerene. And the people of Dayton and vicinity have the greatest confidence in them, even if some of the employees of the Eepublican national committee have not. Senator Edge. Well, now, if I were you, I would not sa}^ that. Senator Pomerene. I mean that to be stated just as it is. Senator Edge. If you did, I could, of course, go into the acts of the Democratic committee. Senator Pomerene. Undoubtedly so. Senator Edge. But I am not going to go into the acts of the Demo- cratic committee. Senator Po^ierene. I know in some instances both of them are go- ing too far. Senator Edge. We are now all even, so w^e Avill square off at that.' Mr. Talbott, the conservancy act was passed, as I recall the evi- dence, in 1914; that is correct, is it not? Mr. Taebott. I can not testify to that, but I think that is correct. Senator Edge. We have had that testimony, and I assume it is cor- rect, from what Judge McMahon has said. The fund raised by the local Flood Prevention Association stretched over a period of years, as I understand it, but this particular sum that you gentlemen con- tributed in the interest of flood prevention, for whatever purpose it may have been afterwards used, was in 1916, was it not? Mr. Talbott. Yes, sir. Senator Edge. The conservancy act passed by the Ohio Legislature provided for the issuing of bonds, certainly to raise the money to carry out your project, did it not? Mr. Talbott. There have been bonds issued. I have not read the law. Senator Edge. Some act provided for that, as I understood from Judge McMahon yesterday. There has been considerable testimony here to the effect that the people of Dayton Avere in great fear— you are a very prominent business man of Dayton, and I think this is important — of the amendment or repeal of this act of 1914 providing for this protection ; is that true ? Mr. Talbott. We felt in danger. Senator Edge. Well, of course, you know that in 1915 or 1916 — I think the years are correct, and you may correct me if I am wrong — Gov. Willis was governor of Ohio ? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Edge. Nothing happened to the act then ? Mr. Talbott. Nothing happened finally. ' Senator Edge. Nothing passed the legislature amending or repeal- theact? Mr. Talbott. No. Senator Edge. You issued bonds or arranged to issue bonds under the act after it became a law, of course ; did you not? 2802 PRESIDEXTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Mr. Talbott. I did not. Senator Edge. I mean your conservancy board? Mr. Talbott. I am not a member of the conservancy board. Senator Edge. This question is simply leading- up to another one I think you can answer. I would assume if you paid off, as the report shows, 86 per cent of the money that had been contributed by citi- zens you must have paid it off from receipts of the sale of bonds ; is not that a matter of common information ? Mr. Talbott. No. Senator Edge. What did you pa}^ it off with ? Mr. Talbott. We paid it off by the repayment to us by the con- servancy board of the money advanced to them and loaned to them. Senator Edge. Where did the conservancy board get the money ? Mr. Talbott. They borrowed it from this committee. Senator Edge. From which committee — the flood prevention com- mittee ? Mr. Talbott. They borrowed it from this fund that was raised by the citizens of Dayton. Senator Edge. I do not think you get my question. The evidence is that the flood prevention commission that had raised something less than $2,000,000 then, had been reimbursed b}^ various subscribers to the extent of 86 per cent, as I recall it? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Edge. Of course, that money had to be raised from some source, not from themselves. They had contributed the money, and it had been spent in various ways, leaving a balance of something over $100,000. Now% that had been repaid. Certainly that must have come from the sale of some issues provided by the legislature, must it not ? Mr. Talbott. That Avas a return by the conservancy district of money which had been loaned to them and advanced for them by this committee. Senator Edge. I understand that; but there must have been a method to get the money. Mr. Talbott. The conservancy district— — Senator Edge (interposing). Did they borrow the money? Mr. Talbott. They borrowed the money. Senator Edge. Where di^l they borrow it ? Mr. Talbott. They borrowed it on the issue of bonds. Senator Edge. That is exactly what I am trying to get the answer to. They issued bonds and got cash, and then paid off to the extent of 86 per cen^ the contributors to your local fund ; is not that correct ? Mr. Talbott. Not exactly. Senator Fdge. Correct me, then. Mr. Talbott. They paid back the money that they borroAved from us. Senator Edge. I am not questioning that they borrowed it from 3^ou and I am not questioning that they did not have a perfect right to pay it back. I am simply trying to establish the fact that they hai^ been paying it back through the sale of bonds ; is not that correct ? Mr. Talbott. I suppose they raised the money from bond sales. Senator Edge. Now, I am coming to the main point. Much evi- dence has been adduced here, and I want to get your opinion as a PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2803 leading business man of fear for the retention of this conservancy act — a very important act, as I understand it, to the health and safety of your people. You have already issued bonds under that act to a very large extent, which must be true as the evidence has developed i Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Edge. How in the name of Heaven is it possible for a legislature to pass any act that would provide for the repudiation of ' legal instruments or bonds sold to your people or to the banks or to investors? What did you have to fear as a business man? Mr. Talbott. We had to fear changes and amendments in the hnv which we thought would emasculate it. Senator EIdge. You knew the legislature could not pass a law to repudiate those obligations, did you not ? Mr. Talbott. Well, I am not a lawyer; I do not know. Senator Edge. Well, that is enough. Senator Pomerexe. Mr. Talbott, I take it that your conservancy act, which I have not read, did provide for the issuance of bonds and it did provide, among other things, for the acquisition of the title to property that might be involved and for the building of the dams and making such improv ements as might be recommended by joiiv engi- neers. It provided for all that, did it not? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Po3ierexe. It provided for the maintenance of it and pro- Aided for methods of taxation for the payment of these bonds; and even though the legislature might not have been able to defeat the validity of these bonds, it might have crippled your project very materially: is not that true? Mr. Talbott. That was our fear. Senator Po^ierexe. And it is true that during the time subsequent to the enactment of the original conservancy bill into a law there Avere re])eated attem.pts made to amend the law, were there not ? Mr. Talbott. There were. Senator Pomerex^e. And there were other movements afoot look- ing to the repeal or the modification of that law ? Mr. Talbott. So Ave Avere athdsed. Senator Pomerexe. And Avhile your people here in Dayton, in Hamilton, MiddletoAvn, and the other communities in this district, Avere very much interested in the carr^dng out of this conservancy project for the protection of the valley and its people, there were other people who were A^ery much opposed to it, were there not? Mr. Talbott. There Avere . Senator Pomerexe. And you, I belieA^e, and Mr. Kettering and Mr. Deeds and Mr. Schantz had all been very much interested in the sub- ject of flood protection ? Mr. Talbott. Naturally Ave Avere. Senator Pomerexe. Your interest Avas brought about by the A^ery great suffering caused in this community by the flood of March, 1913? Mr. Talbott. It Avas. Senator Pomerexe. You and these other gentlemen Avhom I have named are men of substantial means, are you not? Mr. Talbott. We are. 1X2774— 20— PT 21 7 2804 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGX EXPENSES. Senator Pomehene. You have always been interested in public affairs here in Dayton and vicinity? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. And you have that interest now ? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. Whatever you did in this matter in the way of personal service or in the way of financing this proposition was because of your interest as citizens of this community ? Mr. Talbott. Entirely. Senator Pomerene. You have said that you had some conversation with Gov. Cox about this $5,000 note. The fact is that your people here, Democrats and Republicans alike, were very much interested in your local city conditions, were you not ? Mr. Talbott. We wanted the best men on the commission. Senator Pomerene. There was some serious contest on here be- tween your citizens' committee and the Socialist Party with respect to the nomination and election of candidates for commissioners? Mr. Talbott. I believe there was a contest. I do not know any- thing about the Socialist end of it. Senator Pomerene. Well, suffice it to say that even before the primary there was a disposition on the part of many of your Repub- licans and Democrats to agree upon a municipal program? Mr. Talbott. Exactly. Senator Pomerene. You understood that this note of $5,000 had been given in connection with this campaign for the selection of commissioners of the city of Dayton ; that is correct, is it ? Mr. Talbott. I understood that the money was used for that purpose. Senator Poinierene. Whether rightly or wrongly, you and your business associates felt that there was some moral obligation on your part to assist in the taking care of that note ; is that it ? Mr. Talbott. That is it exactly, just as I have testified. Senator Pomerene. And this money was furnished and charged to your account, was it ? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. So that in fact you furnished the money, and not the Metal Products Co. ? ' Mr. Talbott. That is my understanding of it. Senator Pomerene. Although the check was issued by the Metal Products Co. and later on the amount was charged to your account, was it ? Mr. Talbott. That is correct. Senator Pomerene. I believe, without going into the details of your business — and I do not want to do that — there were three prin- cipal stockholders in your company, were there not? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. They were yourself. Mr. Kettering, and who ■was the third ? Mr. Talbott. Col. Deeds in the early part. Senator Pomerene. And he later disposed of his interest, did he? Mr. Talbott. Yes; and Mr. Kettering and my son and myself ^)ought his interest. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2805 Senator Pomerene. Did the furnishing of that money or the pay- ment of that note — I am sjDeaking of the $5,000 note now — have any- thing to do directly with Gov. Cox's campaign for govwnor? Mr. Talbott. No. Senator Pomerene. Did it have anything to do directly or indi- rectly with the present presidential or senatorial campaign ? Mr. Talbott. No. Senator Pomerene. Was there any election in 1917 of governor or of members of the legislature? Mr. Talbott. No. Senator Pomerene. The only election that occurred in 1917 was your municipal election? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. Then your attention was called to some funds which were advanced by your company in 1916 and which were charged to yourself and Mr. Kettering, and who was the third name — I have forgotten that — in 1916? Mr. Talbott. Deeds. Senator Pomerene. Mr. Deeds; yes. Mr. Sherer was here and testified to that ? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. You heard him testify, did you ? Mr. Talbott. Yes; it is all correct. Senator Pomerene. Without going into the details of that, the statement that he made with regard to the issuance of these checks and the charges to each of the three principal stockholders, and so forth, and the reimbursement and the disposition of that fund, was in substance correct, was it ? Mr. Talbott. It was. Senator Pomerene. Prior to 1916 and during the early part of 1916, is it true that people who were opposed to this conservancy legislation and what was being done under it were taking an active part against Gov. Cox ? Mr. Talbott. I do not know. Senator Pomerene. You do not know about that ? Mr. Talbott. No. Senator Pomerene. AVell, in any event, did you feel at the time that it was arranged between yourself and other business associates and others of your prominent citizens here, that your conservancy project was involved in the election in the fall of 1916? Mr. Talbott. We did. Senator Pomerene. When you say that, am I right in assuming that you had not only an interest in the election of a governor who might be friendly to it, but also in the election of members of the legislature who might be friendly to it. ' Mr. Talbott. That was a matter that was left to Mr. Schantz. We simply subscribed this money in order to protect ourselves in this flood-prevention matter and the conservancy law. Senator Pomerene. Then am I right in inferring from your state- ment that the primary subject before you was the conservancy law and the project which it involved for the protection of the flood- stricken district, and you left all the details to other men? Mr. Talbott. Exactly so. It was not only primary, but it was the whole thing. 2806 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. Senator Edge. May I ask a question right there, if it will not be interrupting- you ? Senator Pomerene. Yes. Senator Edge. Mr. Talbott, you knew that Adam Schantz was a well-known Democrat, active in the support of the Democratic cam- paign in this particular year, 191G, Avhen you were electing both a President and a governor, and particularly interested in Gov. Cox, which is a well-knoAvn fact? Why, then, did you turn such a large sum of money as $37,000 over to him without in any way taking an interest in how he spent it ? Mr. Talrott. "Well, we were very bus}^ I knoAv nothing about such matters, and we expected it would be properly administered and legally administered for this purpose. Senator Edge. You heard ^^esterday how it was administered? Mr. Talbott. For tlie first time. Senator Po^ierene. Is that all ? Senator Edge. That is all. Senator Pomerene. You have known Mr. Schantz here for a good many years ? Mr. Talrott. I have. Senator Pomerene. And he is a man of the very highest standing financially and as a citizen, is he not? Mr. Talbott. I have always considered him so, and do now. Senator Pomerexe. You have always regarded him as a level- headed man, who exercised good judgment in what he was doing? Mr. Talbott. I always have. Senator Pomerene. In matters of this kind you would have as much confidence in his judgment as you would in your own? Mr. Talbott. A great deal more on these matters — political mat- ters. Senator Pomerene. You and your associates were very busily oc- cupied at that time ? Mr. Talrott. We were. Senator Pomerene. You and your business associates were en- gaged in large business transactions at that time which engrossed your every activity ? Mr. Talrott. Exactly. Senator Pomerene. Your attention was called to the refunding of these sums of money to 3^our company? Mr. Talrott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. And that refund was made out of these sums of money that have been collected for flood protection, was it? Mr. Talrott. It w^as. Senator Po^^eerene. You had a committee at that time to audit anc approve these various claims as they might be presented? Sir. Talrott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. What did you call that committee ? Mr. Talrott. The flood prevention committee. Senator Pomerene. It had charge of the finances generally? Mr. Talrott. Well, there was a financial committee that had charge of the finances. Senator Pomerene. Do you recall who that financial committee was ? Mr. Talbott. No ; I do not. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN EXPENSES. 2807 Senator Pomerene. Would you remember the names if you were to hear them? Who was the chairman of it? Mr. Talbott. I do not know. Senator Pomp:rene. ^V^ho was the chairman of it? Mr. Talbott. I do not know. Senator Pomeeene. Edward Phillips? Mr. Talbott. My recollection is he was a member of it. Senator Pomerene. W. F. Bevis ? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. C. J. McKee ? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. T. Huffman? Mr. Talbott. Yes. Senator Pomerene. J. W. Aull? Mr. Talbott. Yes, sir. Senator Pomerene. Georo-e Marshall? Mr. Talbott. I know all those men, and, to the best of my knowl- I edge, they are members of that committee, f Senator Pomerene. Was E. E. Burkhardt? Mr. Talbott. I think so. Senator Pomerene. Whether you are certain or not about these \ gentlemen hemorts were requested from the Socialist Party, but they were not furnished, and as the real contest was between the two great parties the committee believe it sufficient to set forth their expenditures. In this connection we desire to call attention to the fact that there are many organizations in the country of a semi- political nature, active in political matters, which organizations, how- ever, had no candidates for the Presidency, but did exert their influ- ence in various ways in the election. As they were not conducting campaigns for the Presidency the committee did not feel warrantea in entering into an investigation of their activities. If the Senate should desire that their receipts and expenditures and general method of operation be investigated, the committee is quite willing to do so. It would, we think, require further authorization from the Senate and an extension of time in which the committee should make its final report. We believe the activities of the various quasi-political or- ganizations should be investigated and a statement given to the Congress and to the public as to what their activities and objects are. Pollowing is a statement of the disbursements of the national organizations of both Republican and Democratic Parties from the time of the national conventions up to the close of the campaign in CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURES. 2646 connection with the {>residentiai election of November 2, 1920, including the post-election financial statements: Republican national committee '$5, 319, 729. 32 Democratic national committee 1, 318, 274. 02 Total : Republican congressional committee Democratic congressional committee Total Republican senatorial committee Bureau of senatorial elections, Democratic national committee Total 375, 969. 05 24, 498.05 326, 980. 29 6, 675.00 $6, 638, 003. 34, 400, 467. 10 333, 655. 29 Making a grand total of 7, 372, 125. 73 We do not deem it essential to set forth in this report all the par- ticulars involved in these various disbursements. The figures fur- nished us do not go at all into minute detail, but we have been furnished with lists of contributors of $100 or more. We file these lists with the report and they will be subject to inspection in the office of the Secretary of the Senate. The expense of printing the same would be enormous and we do not believe the situation demands it. Anyone desiring specific information on these matters may ex- amine these lists in the office of the Secretary of the Senate. We group the amounts sent by the Republican senatorial committee into the respective States as shown by figures presented and it is as follows : Arizona. California Colorado , Idaho , Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Maine Mar>'land , Missouri Nevada $23, 000 6,500 13,000 ]3,000 10,000 5,000 3,000 3.000 1,000 8,000 10,000 17.000 New Hampshire. New York North Carolina. . Ohio Oklahoma , Oregon South Dakota.... Utah , Virginia Washington , Wisconsin $5,500 4,000 2,500 8,000 15,500 15, 450 5,000 12,000 500 7, 725 10,000 The expenditures of the national committees do not show the entire amounts used in the campaign, but, of course, it is practically im- possible to show such amounts. It would necessitate, not only getting the State expenditures, but the county and township expencutures; likewise the expenditures of independent groups and individuals. This the committee did not feel warranted in undertaking. We have, however, endeavored to secure from the respective political committees of the various States the amounts collected by them out- side of the amounts received from the national committees. • Docs not Include a loan of $306,233.50 to the Republican congressional committee, a major portion of which the records show was paid back, or the loan of $100,000 to the senatorial committee which the records show was repaid in full. 2946 CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURES. It was developed in the hearings that the Republican national com- mittee had a joint collection arrangement with the Republican State committees in various States whereby funds were collected by the national committee and returned to the State committee. The figures we have heretofore shown as to the national committees would cover these items, but the report would not be complete without showing the receipts by the State committees of contributions sepa- rate and distinct from the contribution of the national committee. Your committee therefore made an effort to secure from the various Slate committees a statement of the aggregate receipts of the State party organizations independent of the funds raised by the national committees. In the early part of January, 1921, the chairman of the committee addressed a letter to the chairman of the Republican State committee, and to the chairman of the Democratic State central committee in each State in the Union, including the District of Columbia, asking him to furnish the committee with a sworn statement of the aggregate receipts and expenditures of his State party organization for any pur- pose in connection with the presidential campaign of 1920, inde- pendent of any funds collcted by or for, or received from the national party organization or any agency or branch of the same. In in- stances where the replies were not forthcoming after a reasonable time the letters were followed up by urgent telegrams. The response to this request for information was quite general, and as a result the committee is able to attach a table showing the receipts by States of such contributions with but two Republican and three Democratic committee reports missing. The statements returned were of varied character. A great many indicated that the funds collected were used in part in connection with the campaigns for State and other local officers, for United States Senator, -Con- gressmen, etc. Many furnished certified copies of statements filed m compliance with State law, and in these instances it was neces- sary to deduct the apparent contributions by the national party organizations for the purposes of this compilation which, in so far as possible, contains only information responsive to the purpose of the inquiry. Owing to varied systems of keeping accounts oy the committees of the different States, it soon became apparent from an examination of the statements returned that it would be impracti- cable to attempt to tabulate the disbursements without duplication of funds accounted for by the national party organizations. Many of the committees apparently were able to determine with some degree of accuracy the amounts received from sources other than the national organizations, but their records were such that they could give only the disbursements of funds collected from all sources. Inasmuch as it can reasonably be assumed that the amount of the funds collected outside of the contributions of the national party organizations were expended in connection with the presidential and local political campaigns of 1920, the tabulation of the receipts fur- nishes also the most accurate figures of the disbursements for the pur- pose of this inquiry that can be supplied from the statements fur- nished by the various State conamittees. We include herewith such tfibulation: CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURES. 2947 Afjrrc ate receipts of the Republican and Democratic State committees, resperdrehf, in connection with the presulential campaign of 19?0, exclusive of funds received from the national orranizations of the two respective partis. [In many instances these funds were used in nart in connection with the local campaigns (or State o'slcers, etc.) Republican. i Republican. Alabama Anzoiia Arkansas Califorr'ia Colora''Kj.o'.l6.58 »4ti,2.5S.65 8, 804.00 2,m.50 None. 25,970.95 42, 6 M. 07 215,9;iK 15 13, 138. 54 ""59,"i82.'45' 1.022.50 15.0:)5.36 50.577,00 133,65.S.;U 4, 848. 50 9,99.5.26 700.00 23, 884. 80 35, m. 27 11. 155. 19 $.1,000.00 15, 4.^2. .50 None. if).' .moo 39.690.40 17, 964. .54 7, 81 i. S2 None. None. 4,260.00 9,92.5.00 74,692.66 14, 174. 99 13. 5S7. 64 62,9.m23 None. 6,5:^7. 76 57,889.63 25. 335. 21 24, 478. 79 6,7.36.08 None. 56,901.69 6,50.H.50 10,752.92 Nevada New Harapshire. New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina.. North Dakota... Ohio Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode' Island.... South Carolina.. South Dakota... Teniie.>scc Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington \Ve.st Virginia... Wisconsin Wyoming 13,753.45 24,65.3.66 None 23, 189. 32 479,699.19 » 4, 880. 18 i 3, 835. 43 74,:573.90 55,661. 68 8,205.24 139,61.3.25 25,000.00 706.00 8,948.51 ■■■25,i48.'95* 10, 475. 00 2, 192. 00 925.00 < 116, 5;?7. 45 84, 872. 31 None. 45,237.93 2.078.060.55 fll.485.00 11,121.41 10,74.5.00 15. 858. 73 6.3,37.3.00 16,41S.95 2,000.00 58,81.5.00 63,575. 45 12,6;i3.28 58,512.08 9,552.00 500.00 6,706.00 17,932. 16 2,668.75 ""6S6.'4i 2, 596. 00 18,476.00 25,803.06 7,818.00 > This amount includes $61,185 received from the National and State ways and means committee w hich had recpipts of $84,148 46 of whirh $15,000 went to the national committee. (See letter of J. H. Roraback.) » Amount received and distributed by Delaware Republican finance committee. Of this amount the Republican State committee received $8,653.79 and distributed $6,097.89. (See letter of Chas. Warner, chairman, for details. ) 3 This amount is arrived at by subtracting from the total disbursements of the Republican State executive committee $12,744, the amount contributed by the national committee $7,863.82, as shown by Mr. Upham's Exhibit 4, page 12,56 of the camjiaign comniitteo hearings. (See letter of Gilliam Orissom, .secretary.) < From Nov. 1, 1918. Considerable expenditure prior to national convention including the expen.ses ot an educational campaign to counteract activities of Non-Partisau League, (See letter of Charles Hebberd, chairman.) These letters we also insert at this point. Delaware Republican Finance Committee, Wilmington, Del., January SI, 19S1, Hon. William S. Kenyon, Chairman. Senate Office Building, Washington, D. C. My Dear Senator: Further answering" recent communications on aggregate receipts and disbursements for local use in Delaware by our Republican committees, will advise: The Delaware Republican finance committee received and disbursed... $46,258.65 The Republican Stite committee- Received 8,653,79 Disbursed 6,097.89 I explained in my former correspondence that the finance committee was the the clearing house for all receipts and disbursements, and on approved budget requests the finance committee disbursed directly to the five operating committees, viz, the State committee, the Wilmington city committee, and the three county committees. Hence the report above of the receipts of the State committee is a part of the total disbursements also reported above for the finance committee. Trust this answers your purposes. Very truly, vourd, Chables Wabnbb, Chairman. 2948 CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURES. Republican State Executivb CoiCMrrrEB, „ „ „ „ Greensboro, N. C, January SI, 1921. lion. William S. Kenyon, Washin'Jton. Dear Senator: Your letter addressed to Chairman Frank A. Linney, of Boone, N. C, liaa been referred to this office for answer. Accordingly, the sworn statements as filed with the secretary of state of North Carolina are copied and inclosed to you. Let me say that tlie money expended in the late campaign in this State has no doubt been shown in t]ie statements of the Republican national committee. This committee, by our request, sent to our State a collector who received con- tributions and turned same over to tJie national committee, who in turn returned the funds for use here wliere collected. Let me suggest that very aptly this office will be able to give any desired informa- tion as to our committee's expenses, ^lost respectfully, GiLUAM Grissom, Secretary. Republican State Executive Committee, Grtenshoro, N. C, October 25, 1920. The Secretary of State, Rakiffh, N. C. Dear Sir: The following is a statement of the expenses of the Republican State executive committee from the beginning of active campaign to the time for preelection report: Postage, printing, stationery $3, 576 Clerical help, typewriting, addressing, folding 8, 290 Furniture, neat, light, rent, water 432 Traveling expenses, speakers, organizers 847 Telephone, telegraph, messenger 240 Literature, advertising 1, 358 Total 9, 743 The above received from J. J. Jenkins, treasurer. Personally appeared before me Gilliam Grissom, to me well known, who being first duly sworn deposes and says that the foregoing statement is true to the best of hia knowledge and belief. Subscribed and sworn to before me this 23d day of October, 1920. S. S. Mitchell, Notary Pxihlic, Republican State Executive Committee, Greensboro, N. C, November 11, 1920, The Secretary of State, Raleigh, N. C. Dear Sir: The following is a statement of expenditures of the Republican State executive committee, as required to be reported within 10 days after election: Postage, stationery $1, 354 Advertising, printing 717 Clerk hire - 487 Telephone, telegraph 163 Traveling expenses, speakings 280 Total 3,001 There appeared before me Gilliam Grissom, known to me, and swears the above statement is true to the best of his knowledge and belief, this 11th day of November, 1920. S. S. Mitchell, Notary Public CAMPAIGN EXPBNDITtTKES. 2949 .RKPUBUCA.N State Executivb CommittsBp Greemboro, N, C, November tO, 1920. The Sbcrktart of State, RaUigh, N. C. Dear Sir: The following is a statement of expenditures of the Republican State executive committee, as required to be reported within 20 days after election: Postage, stationery $1,354 Advertising, printing 717 Clerk hire 487 Telephone, telegraph 163 Traveling expenses, speakings 280 ToUl 3,001 There appeared before me Gilliam Grissom, known to me, and swears the above statement is true to the best of his knowledge and belief. S. S. Mitchell, Notary Public. Connecticut Repubucan State Central Committee, Hartford, Conn., February 1921. Hon. W. S. Kenyon, United States SenaU, Washington, D. C. Dear Sir: On my return to Hartford this week I found your telegram of January 27. asking for statement of contributions and expenditures of National and State ways ana means committee in the last campaign. This request, I assume, also includes a statement of the receipts and expenditures of the State committee. I am inclosing herewith a synopsis of the receipts and expenditures of both the State committee and National and State waj's and means committee for the last com- paign, which I think answers your requirements. Both of these statements are on file in the office of the secretary of state and are public documents. I can obtain and send to you certified copies should you desire it. The statement of the National and State way» and means committee is very volu- minous, as the receipts of $84,000 are made up of contributions ranging from 25 cents to $1,000. Very truly, youre, • J. H. RORABACK. Connecticut Republican State central committee — Campaign of 1920. Receipts: Balance on hand last campaign $2, 201. 42 Charles L. Spencer, treasurer (National and State ways and means committee) 64, 185. 00 John A. Macdonald, assistant treasurer. , 210. 16 Total 66,596.58 Expenses of campaign. 64, 268. 42 Balance on hand 2, 328. 16 National and State ways and m^ans committee for Connecticut — Campaign of 1920. Receipts $84,148.46 Disbursements • 81, 715. 11 Principal items of disbursements: State committee 64, 185. 00 National conmiittee 15, 000. 00 Spokane, Wash., January SI, 1921. Hon. William S. Kenton, Senate Office Building, Washington, D. C. Dear Sir: Replving to your letter of January 7, to Mr. S. A. Walker, former chair- man of the Republican State central committee, I inclose herewith a statement of the aggregate receipts and expenditures by the Republican State central committee of Washington, from November 1, 1918, to November 15, 1920. 2960 CAMPAIGN BXP£NDITVfi£S»! You will please note that the aggregate expenditures include considerable expen- diture prior to the. Republican national convention, including the expenses of a f reconvention educational campaign to counteract the activities of the Nonpartisan eague in State politics, and this should not be considered a part of the expenditures of the national campaign. 1 regret that I have not the data available for segregating these expenditures. Also, I beg to call your attention to the item of $36,059.82, allotments to county central committees as per Schedule I. These funds were collected by the ways and means cf)mmittee of the State central committee, but were turned over to the various county central committees for expenditure by them. Also, it should be noted that the balance of the expenditures of the State com- mittee, viz, $73,820.57, included the expenses of the campaign for the election of State officers as well as the national, senatorial, and congressional campaigns within the State. It is, however, impossible to segregate these State campaign expendi- tures from the others. I may say, however, that the expenditures for the State campaign probably exceeded those for the national, congressional, and senatorial cam- paigns, as we had in tliis State a very strong farmer labor party (including the Non- partisan League) whose especial interest was to capture the State government, and whifh had, we thought, a rather formidable condidate for governor. There have been a few expenditures, aggregating several hundred dollars, made since November 15, 1920, which are not included in the inclosed report. I have written my Seattle office for an itemized statement of these subsequent expenditures, and shall forward it to you as a supplemental report upon receipt. I trust that this will give you the desired information. Chars. Hebberd, Chairman Republican State Central Committee. Washington Republican State central committee, Seattle, Wash. — Statement of cash receipts and disbursements, Nov. 1, 1918, to Nov. 15, 1920. Receipts $116,537.45 Disbursements: Allotments to county central committees as per Schedule! $36,059.82 State campaign expenditures — Speakers' and organizers' salaries and expenses $34,660.40 Printing and stationery, campaign litera- ture, and express 9, 704. 03 Office salaries 7, 127. 01 Stenographers' salaries 3,565.82 Telephone and telegraph 2, 879. 58 Advertising : 2, 766. 16 Office rent 2,175.00 Office supplies and expense 1,734.98 Finance committee expense 1, 404. 10 Banquets, etc 1,397.95 Publicity 1,539.56 King County Repul)lican Club 1, 100. 00 Postage. 950.70 Sundry hall rentals 650.00 Miscellaneous expenses 605. 81 Clipping service 266. 47 Refund 200.00 Radicalism 500.00 Furniture and equipment 593. 00 73,820.57 109,880.39 Balance on deposit Nov. 15, 1920 6, 657. 06 Chas. Hebberd, Chairman Republican State Central Committee. Sworn and subscribed to before me this 3l8t day of January, 1921. fsEAL.j G. S. Hebberd, Notary Public, County of Spokane, StaU of Washington. CAMPAIGN EXPENWTUfiES. 2961 SCHEDULB I. Analysis of statement of cash receipts and dishvrsements. Allotments King County $17,921.00 Spokane County 4, 500. 00 Pierc e County 4, 100. 00 King Countv Republican Club 1, 758. 34 f^kagit Conntv... 841.18 Walla VValla bounty 800. 00 Women's Republican Club. . 784. 40 Adams Countv 685. 00 Le\*is County 550.35 Stevens County 545. 00 Pad fic Countv 515.83 Whitman County 500. 00 Pend Oreille County 301. 00 Kitfiap County Thurston County Klickitat County Kittitas County Chelan County Grant County Columbia County Franklin County Snoliomish County . . Clarke Countv Wahkiakum (:ounty. Benton County Garfield County $36. 059. 82 ... $300.00 . . . 250. 00 . . . 250. 00 ... 212.50 ... 200.25 . . . 200. 00 ... 171.87 ... 150.00 ... 150.00 ... 100.00 . . . 90. 00 ... 78.60 ... 32.50 Spokane, Wash., February 5, 19tl. Hon. William S. Kenyon, Senate Office Building, Washington, D. C. Dear Sir: I inclose herewith supplemental statement of expenditures of the Republican State central committee of Washington, from November 16, 1920, to Feb- ruary 1, 1921. This is the supplemental statement which I stated in my letter of January 31 I would forward to you as soon as the items were available. Very truly, yours, Charles Hebberd. Svpnlemental stntement of Washington EepnhUran State Central Committee, Seattle Wash.—StalemeiU oj cash receipts nr*d disbursements Nov. 16, 19i0.to Feb. 1, mi. Allotment to county central committees, Mason County Speakers' and organizers' salaries and expenses $112. 90 Telephone and telegraph 129. 16 Office rent ^ 90.00 Miscellaneous expenses 143. 25 Postage - 15.00 Stenographers ' salaries 133. 85 Printing and stationery 419. 00 $250. 00 1,043. 16 Total 1,293.16 Chas. Hebberd, Chairman Republican State Cerdral Committee. Sworn and subscribed to before me this 5th day of February, 1921. [siiAL.] G. S. Hebberd, Notary Public The two Republican reports missing in the above tabulation are Tennessee and Kansas. Correspondence on file indicates that the first mentioned will be forthcommg. The three Democratic reports missing are California, Utah, and Wyoming Correspondence indicates that the first two mentioned will be forthcoming. We do not feel warranted, however, in further delaying this report. From the figures gathered, as we have herein set out, it appears that the two great political parties, through their various national organizations, including expenditures of State committees, spent J 2952 CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURES. in the presidential campaign of 1920, a sum in excess of ten and a quarter million dollars: Or, to be more exact $10, 338, 509. 92 Of which the expenditures of the Republican Party were 8, 100, 739. 21 And the expenditures of the Democratic Party were 2, 237, 770. 71 These figures do not by any means represent the entire amount of raonev expended in the campaign, as we have heretofore explained. The funds collected, of course, were not used exclusively in the presidential campaign. They were used likewise in the election of Senators and Congressmen and State officials. The resolutions under which the committee has acted do not pro- vide for recommendations to the Senate on the part of the committee. Naturalh the conmiittee has discussed remedies to limit the amount of campaign expenditures, for they feel that the expenditure of these vast sums is a present and growing menace to the Nation. We rec- ognize there are constitutional difficulties involved in the passage of laws to regulate expenditures in presidential campaigns, but are of the opinion that the Committee on Privileges and Elections of the Senate should in the next Congress take up the question of remedial legislation, and if a constitutional amendment should be necessary that the proper steps be taken to submit the same, as provided by the Constitution. The subject is of such importance that the next Congress should give early attention thereto. We have made this report as brief as possible. The evidence taken h\ the committee is voluminous and comprises 22 volumes. ' Since the above report was prepared, the return from the Demo- cratic State committee of Utah has been received and we attach the same hereto: State op Utah, County of Salt Lake, M.- George G. Smith, being first duly sworn, upon oath deposes and says: That he is a citizen of the United States over the age of 21 years, a resident of the city and county of Salt Lake, State of Utah, and treasurer of the Utah Democratic State central com- mittee; that the total aggregate receipts and expenditures of the Democratic State central committee of Utah for all purposes in connection with the presidential and State campaign of 1920, independent of any funds collected by or for or received from the Democratic national committee or any agency or branch thereof is as follows: Keceipts $11,210.55 Disbursements 10, 987. 57 Geo. G. Smith. Subscribed and sworn to before me this 27th day of January, A. D. 1921. [seal.] Henry D. Moyle, Notary Public. My commission expires September 12, 1923. INDEX OF WITNESSES. Albus, John Alexander, E. B Alger, Frederick M Allen, E. M Armstrong, William__ Babler, J. L Barber, Frederick C Barchard, Miss Jessie- Barnes, William Baruch, Bernard M-__. Baur. Bertha D Beller, James W Bishop, Walter W____. Black, Joseph Blair, Harry M Blossom, Dudley S Boeschenstein, Charles. Bonniwell, Eugene C— . Brainerd, C. O Bridge, Norman Britton, Edward E Britton, Fred A Brueggeman, Olivia Bryson, John G Burtt, W. B Carlin, C. C — Carroll, George T Christensen, P. P Clark, Charles P Claxton, P. P Cole. W. LI Cooper, John E Covington, Harry J___ Coyne, Eunice Cramton, Louis C Cummings, Homer S— Curtis, Frank S Darst, J. S Daugherty, H. M Davidson, Walter Davies, John R Davis, Arthur G Davis, Joseph T Dickey, Walter S Duell, Charles H Du Pont, T. Coleman— A. Page. 891 10G3 . 619 2549 819 B. 647,842,932 2279,2310 2303 : 2389.2419,2441,2451 131 2037 79 2818 921 1838,1919,1992 _-- , 1 1758 2108 - 687,717 1816 686 2691 1313 1022,1058 2097 731,753 C. 137 2401 - 1437 2809 J • 2428 762 2547 325 2292 202 1153 2095 D. 253 267, 362 590 2874 ____ 1659 743 ■_ 2681 2953* 2954 INDEX OF WITNESSES. Eiumerson, Louis L Enix, Caleb Farlow, William O Fees, Don. C Fess, S. D Fitzsimnious, J. J Flood, Henry D Folwell, W. H France, Senator Joseph I. Fritsche, G. B Funk, Mrs. Antoinette— 1913 2472 1300 1018 1180 260(>, 2679 109 2063 673 Garrett, H. G . 1745 Gerard, James W 2321 Goldstein, Nat 610,919 Goltra, Edward F 2841 Grayot, John L 2675 Green, E. H. R 811 Greer, Clarence N 2813 Gregory, Warren 788 Handy, Bessie 2641 Harris, Edwin S 406 Harrison, Frank 367 Hays. Charles A ____ 933 Hays, Will H 1080,1378 Heffernan, J. L 2526 Henke, Herman E 1620 Hepburn. Charles J ^ 114 Hersey, R. J 27 Hill, J. K - 2833 Hitchcock, F. H 2 Hitchcock, Senator G. M_ 449 HoUiday, John H . 2881 Houston, H. S 2592 Hukriede, T. W 885 Jamieson, W. D_, Jenkins, Burrus Johnson, Henry Lincoln- Jones, I. T Jones, Richard S Joss, Frederick A Karnes, M. H 542 Kavanaujih, J. W^ 914 Keating, Edw 057 Keifer, Clarence 2792 Kelley, John A . 2010 Kesters(m. Ben F 898 King, John T 285 Kinney, Garrett, Def 191)1. 2007 995 381 INDEX OF WITNESSES. 2955 Lee, Clarence W Weighty. John R__ lievy, Harry Llewellyn, Mrs. L. J Look wood, Geo. B Loeb, William I>ong, Breckinridge Liicey, J. F McCabe, Alexander 1 McChesney, Nathan W McClure, Chas. W_-_.___- McDonald, Chas. F McGee, M. J McLean, Angus W ^McMillan, Miles H McNider, C. H McSween, Angus Marsh, AVilbur W Martin, Mrs. W. W Mason, Guy Mavity, Chas. K Meehan, Annie L ]Miles, James P Miller, Thos. W Mooiiey, Wm. M Moore, Edmund H Moore, Robt. E. Morgan, Edward Morse, E. L Moses, Senator Geo. H Mowrey, Mrs. J. A Nebeker, Frank K New, Senator Harry S_ Newman, Oliver P O'Neill, Patrick P Owen, Henry E Owens, John W Palmer, A. Mitchell Parker, John C Parks, Mrs. Ethel M Paxton, A. B Pierson, L. E !_ Pike. Eugene R Poindexter, Senator Miles Proctor. Wm. Cooper Pugh, Clarence R Reynolds, James B Rhinock, Jos. L Page. 2240,2266 1048 2489 , 27(X) _^ 2552 863 2831 03. 128 Mc. , 522 - 1802 1 2380 1000 - 353 1324 - 1700 - 33 M. — :)'2S 143i) 2832 — — ^ 2641 - 2233 - 1060 - 1006 483 2548 68. 1635, 1700. 1713. 2217. 2261 -—^ 592,020 213 631.024 454 1059 N. 2521 _• 1380 171 O. 1 _ 967 2042 _____ 316 P. 711 769 2625 1691 2619 307 1599 174 2686 R. 322 1184 2956 INDEX OF WITNESSES. Rice, Howard M Rolf es; John R Rosseter, John Henry. Schantz, Adam _ 2476 Scott, Gut T 1421, 1543 Scott, Mary Temple 1040 Scott, R. T 2545 Scripps, Robt. P 2452 Scudder, Marvyn 2723, 2793, 2827 Seibold, Louis 47 Sherer, Carl J 2784 Sinclair, H. F 685 Sprague, Albert A _ 507, 860 Stebbins, Horace C 773 Steinbrink, Meier 2709 Stevens, J. P 2621 Stewart, R. P 2505 Stokes, Edw. C 2384 Streutker, Henry . 981, 1057 Talbot, Loren C 2497 Talbott, H, E 2795 Thompson, M. W 110, 123 Thompson, Wm. Boyce 2344 Thomson, Robt. K 2050 Towers, Albert G 2623 Upham, Fred W ^ 1187, 1337, 2125 V. Vick, Walter W 86 Waldo, Richard H 2i01 Weissert, Chas. A — - 230 White, Geo 1334, 1387 Wile, Frederick W__. 899 Willson, L. — - ^2LL Wolfe, Robt F 559 Woodworth, Frank 478 Zappone, Almerico___ 2441 o