*-*• LIBRA RY OF THL U N I VERSITY or ILLINOIS PROCEEDINGS HELATINO TO THE laTACLlSIIMENT OF Jaratbial Councib 0f dl^Ijaritii IN THE VKIOK, AKD CHARITY ORGANISATION DISTRICT, OF ST. GEORGE'S, HANOVER SQUARE, IX FEBEUAEY, MAECH, AND APEIL, 1S71 ; beisg: PAGES I.— Parochial Map of the Union, and Statement of the Population of the District Parishes 3 11. — Circular Letter to the Incumbents of the District Parishes in the Union, wnn Suggestions for the Formation of Local Organisations with a view to THE Improvement of Charitable Relief in the Union 5, G HI. — Report of a Conference of the Clergy and Laity held IN THE Board-room of the Union on Thursday, March 16, 1S71 S IV. — Eesolutions Passed at the Conference 36 V, — Eeport of THE Committee Appointed under the above- mentioned Eesolutions 37 LONDON : PUBLISHED BY W. J. JOHNSON, 121, Fleet Street, E.C. Price Sixcence. LONDON : PRINTED BY W. J. OHNSOX, 121, FLEET STREET, LONDON, E.C. CIRCULAR LETTER TO THE INCUMBENTS OF THE DISTRICT PARISHES IN THE UNION. 28, Mount Street, Grosvenor Square, February 8, 1871. Eeverend Sir, —In accordance with a resolution of the St. George's Committee for Organising Charitable Relief and Repressing Mendicity, I have the honour to enclose copies of suggestions for the improvement of the mode of administering relief in the various districts comprised in the Parishes of St. George's, Hanover-square, and St. Margaret's and St. John's, Westminster. I venture to request that you will give these suggestions your most careful consideration, and will consult on the subject your district visitors and such of your parishioners as are in- terested in improving the condition of the poor. The St. George's Committee has now been in existence for upwards of twelve months, and its principal work has been the investigation of the cases of applicants for relief. In the three parishes more than 2,000 cases have been carefully inquired into, registered, and, in many instances, assisted in a manner calculated to do permanent good. The result of the experience thus acquired is, that the greatest care is re- quired in the minute investigation of every case, and in the application of sound principles of administering relief. The Committee are now of opinion that the time has come to endeavour to give these principles a more extended application. I therefore earnestly invite your attendance at a Conference of all the incumbents of the various districts within our sphere of operations, to be held at the Board-room of the Union, Mount-street, on the IGth day of March, 1871, at three o'clock. Time will thus be allowed for all to give this important subject that consideration which I cannot but think it so much requires, and I trust that a meeting of those who have so great experience will produce a beneficial result. In the event of your being unavoidably prevented from attending yourself, the Committee trust that you will nominate one of your clergy or parishioners to represent you on this occasion, so that the collective opinion of all may be arrived at. As bearing on this question, I beg to encloje a report of our Central Council on Ilouse-to-housc Visitation, together with a pamphlet con- taining extracts from the report of the Edinburgh Association, which has achieved such important results in this direction. — I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant, Westminster, Chairman. B 2 6 SUGGESTIONS FOR THE FORMATION OF LOCAL ORGANISATIONS, With a Fieir to the Improvement of the Administration of Charitable Belief in the Parishes of St. George, Hanover-sqtiare, and St. Mar- garet and St. John, Westminster. 1. That a Relief Oommittee be formed in each Ecclesiastical District. The Incumbent (or a layman, if the Incumbent prefer it) to be Chair- man, and the Members to consist of the Clergy, District Visitors, and other persons who may be elected. This Committee to meet at stated times for the formation of general rules, but to appoint from among its Members a Eelief Sub-Committee, which shall meet three times a-week, or oftener if necessary, to discuss and deal with all cases proposed for relief in the District. 2. That the District Visitors shall, in future, except in very urgent cases, on no account give, even at their own expense, any relief without the previous sanction of the Eelief Sub -Committee. In a very urgent case, the circumstances under which relief may have been given shall be reported at once to the Sub-Committee. 3. That the District Visitors shall, when cases come under their notice which appear to them suitable for relief, prepare a statement of the cir- cumstances which seem to render assistance necessary, for the conside- ration of the Eelief Sub-Committee, and shall afterwards administer such relief as may be authorised. 4. That one of the Members of the Committee be appointed to act as Honorary Secretary, to keep a record of the cases relieved, and the various sums expended. It is hoped that the following results may attend the adoption of this plan : — 1. That a uniform system of relief, not only throughout each ecclesi- astical district, but throughout the whole area of the three parishes, will be arrived at. 2. That a larger number of the laity may be induced to join in the work of endeavouring to improve permanently the condition of the poor. 3. That relief will be administered in a wiser and more discriminating manner by a Committee in which the persons of most experience will acquire the most influence, rather than by the unequal, and compara- tively unaided skill of the different District Visitors. 4 That there will be a cessation of those small doles which (with the best intentions) have often been hitherto given to undeserving persons, or to those who should be too independent to receive them, and who, by getting them, lose self-reliance and habits of providence. The really suitable cases will receive more substantial relief. b 5. That the District Visitors, being no longer aaaociated iu the minda of the poor with the " dropping of tickets," will stand in a more satis- factory position, and will be able to devote their energies to assisting the poor by their influence and advice, and to raising their moral con- dition, with better prospects of success. The main feature of the scheme consists in the entire stopping of all relief other than that administered according to the most intelligent system, and in the best manner that can be devised. If some such plan as is here sketched out were put in operation, the St. George's Committee of tlie Charity Organisation Society would be pre- pared, on the invitation of the Local Committees, to detail one or more of its members to serve on each Local Relief Sub-Committee, and thus secure co-operation between the Local Charities and the Society, which it is hoped would produce the most beneficial results. The St. George's Committee would also use its best endeavours to procure from the richer portions of the three parishes the services of District Visitors for those districts where there are comparatively few residents who can undertake such work, and would entertain the question of assisting with grants of money those Local Committees which, in very poor dis- tricts, may urgently need funds. The services of the Inquiry Officers of the St. George's Committee would be available, when requested, for the investigation of cases in which their experience might be of value, and the circumstances of which District Visitors may be unable themselves to ascertain. It is sincerely hoped that thus a cordial co-operation may be esta- blished among all Societies and individuals interested in the welfare of the poor. REPORT OF THE CONFERENCE OF THE CLERGY AND LAITY. The Secretary read a letter from the Marquis of West- minster, as follows : — The Marquis of " Eaton, Chester, March 15. WrsTMiNSTER. " Dcar Captain Fitzroy, — I have not been very well lately, and shall not, I am afraid, be able, in consequence, to be in London to-morrow to attend the Conference at three o'clock, I am very sorry to have to write an excuse instead. The Society is one of very great imi;ortance for the progress of the organisation of charitable relief, and I sincerely hope the meeting may be convinced of the great importance of combination and co-operation in the work of relieving those, and those only, who may be found to be deserving of it, and of doing this on a regular system, such as our Committee proposes. " There are many members on our Committee more fully qualified than myself to preside on the occasion, from their practical experience in the working of our Society, after many dajs and years of hard work in the ofiBce. " I am sorry not to be able to be present, and be kind enough to say so from me. " Very truly yours, " Westminster." It was moved and seconded and carried unanimously, that Sir Charles Trevelyan take the chair. Sir^CHARLEs CHAiraiAN: Ladies and Gentlemen, — It is greatly to be regretted that the Marquis of Westminster, who has been such a consistent and liberal supporter of this cause, is not able to preside over the meeting. I must crave your indulgence, for I was to have taken a much humbler place. As it is considered best that I should still move the second resolution, which had been intrusted to me, I will begin by reading it. It is to this effect : " That, in order to commence with tmy hope of success the great work of elevating the character, and improving the condition of this pauperised and demoralised popula- tion, it is indispensable that the laity of every religious persuasion should come to the aid of the clergy." In moving this resolution I feel as if we were for the first time brought face to face with our task. The most unsettled and questionable part of the population of these Teevelyan. islands and of the neighbouring countries have for cen- turies poured iuto this great metropolis. And what are the inliuences they are here subjected to ? The absence of all proper sanitary conditions — overcrowding, insufficient ventilation, insufficient distribution of water. Room, air, water — the indispensable means of health — all wanting. Then there are the usual temptations and corruptions incident to all great towns ; and, more especially, our national vice of drunkenness, that pest of this country, is pandered to in this metropolis beyond any other place — (hear, hear) — and it is remarkable that the parts of the metropolis where the greatest facilities are afforded for indulgence in this vice are those very parts from which the most urgent appeals come for charitable relief. Then there is the Poor Law. You will, perhaps, think it strange that I should name the Poor Law among the pauperising influences of the metropolis ; but out-door relief is administered in London in a mode at once in- discrimiuate and insufficient, and the consequence is that it is regarded by all parties as a licence to beg. Then comes the abuse of charity, which exists to an un- precedented extent. But this part of the subject I will leave to those who will follow me. The general result is that we have in London a large population physically deteriorated and morally depraved, living, not by honest labour, but by preying upon society in some shape or other, from the common mendicant to the housebreaker. The Charity Organisation Society was established for the purpose of counteracting, as far as possible, these great evils. The principle of centralisation, and the principle of local administration, are combined in the constitution of the Society. The metropolis is divided into districts, in each of which there is a Committee composed of the clergy, the guardians of the poor, the leading members of the charitable societies, and the representatives of the bene- volent public generally ; and there is a Central Council composed of delegations from all the District Committees. The Society has had all the success that could have been expected in the time ; the different charities have been to a certain extent organised ; a considerable check has been given to mendicancy ; and a number of cases have been relieved whiuh were capable of being dealt with on the principle of restoring the persons assisted to a state of 10 self-respect and self-support, the chronic and dishonest cases having been left to the operation of the Poor Law. In this state of things it has appeared to the Committee of your district that the time has come for an aggressive, forward movement — for, although we may, for the present, retain our name of a Society for Organising Charity, the time is approaching when the Society ought to be dis- tinctly recognised as one for improving the condition of the poor ; for raising them from their lapsed, dependent condi- tion ; and making them, as far as possible, honest, self-sup- porting labourers. Although the flame has, in some degree, been kept under, the fire is smouldering below, ready to break out at any time. Although his excursions have been checked, the enemy is still entrenched in his stronghold. How, then, is tliis contest to be brought to a successful issue P By bringing the educated intelligence of thia great metropolis into close connexion with its ignorance ; its benevolence with its misery ; its wealth with its poverty — subject always to proper conditions ; or, trans- lated into practical language, by establishing a sound principle of house-to-house visitation among the poor. Everything else would follow from this. It is greatly to the honour of our clergy that, as they took the lead in the education of the people, so, in this part of London at least, they have initiated this movement also ; and in the twenty-one parishes into which this district is divided, a system of house-to-house visitation has been more or less established. As the trustees of our national religious endowments, and still more as the depositaries of the purity of our faith, the clergy are our natural leaders in this good work. Everybody who has read Macaulay's History will remember how he describes the superior cultivation and liberality of the London clergy. The country clergy have since greatly improved ; but the London clergy have also advanced, and have fully main- tained their relative position. At a recent meeting of thia Society at Chelsea I heard a clergyman discourse on the difference between true and false charity, and the educa- tional influence of true charity, in a manner which delighted me. And in October last, the Rev. A. W. Thorold, Vicar of St. Pancras, spoke as follows at the Church Congress at Southampton, on the Organisation of Charitable Relief in its Relation to Church Work : — " li is a fair question for discussion how far it would be for the advantage of all concerned if we could be altogether 11 relieved of these duties, I only hope our lay brethren will speak out their minds now that they have the chance ; and it is indeed a pity if we cannot listen to their advice once a-year, when they have to listen to ours once a-week. For this, at any rate, we may feel sure of— that you do not wish us to forget our ordination vows, nor to become mere men of the cloister and library — a kind of painted figure- head to ornament a vessel's bow, but not to steer her : nay, that you like us the better when we are strong all round ; and that, recognising our obligation to discharge all the duties involved in our office, whether we like them or not, you are not so unjust as to identify habits of business with a worldly or unspiritual mind. Yet may the day soon come when in every English parish, of a size to require it, there shall bo a recognised Church body, to be the incum- bent's parliament and the poor man's brotherhood; when we can really begin to believe that private relief may be given without encouraging improvidence, and that the five millions now said to be bestowed among the English poor of London alone shall not smother, but stimulate their life." But I can refer you to higher authority than Mr. Thorold's. " It is not reason that we " — the Apostles — "should leave the word of God and serve tables. Where- fore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men [this was addressed to the laity] of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer and the ministry of the world." I conceive, with submission to the many excellent clergymen I see around me, that the truth thus enunciated by the Apostles applies as much mw, in London, as it did in those days ; and if the clergy were relieved of the ordinary secular business connected with charity, they would be able to apply themselves with greater energy to the spiritual ministrations which specially belong to tliem. God forbid that I should be supposed to advocate the divorcement of charity from religion. What I advocate is the divorcement of charity from the sympathetic weak- ness which, by encouraging the undeserving, turns charity into a demoralising influence. I advocate this, that charity should be divorced from the great mistake of endeavouring to make proselytes from one Christian persuasion to another. I contend that charily sliould be divorced from hypocrisy. Our Saviour, Christ, in Ilis administration ot charity, laid great stress on that point : "Ye seek me, not 12 because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves and were filled." I will not attempt to improve upon that. Your District Committee, composed of all classes of the community, clergy, guardians of the poor, nonconformist ministers, members of the public services (the military service is ably represented in it), and numerous members of the other professions, mercantile men, bankers, and so forth, invite the clergy to co-operate with them, or rather, I should say, they offer themselves as helpers of the clergy to act according to such rules as may be determined upon; and they propose a joint committee of the clergy and laity to prepare those rules. So anxious are they to avoid imposing any trammels upon the clergy, that they do not propose that these rules should be obligatory, but merely that they should be recommended to the clergy and chari- table people of all classes within the respective parishes, to be adopted with any modifications upon which they may determine. I have already read the resolution proposed for your acceptance, and I thank you for the kind attention with which you have listened to my remark,?. Eev. J. H. The Kev. J. H. Hamilton, Vicar of St. Michael's, Ohester- Hamilton. square : I rise to second the resolution proposed by the Chairman. And I do so with thankfulness that this Com- mittee has at length been brought together, and that it is founded upon principles which afford a fair promise of success. Some of you may remember what is told of Dr. Chal- mers, that, when preparing his book on the " Christian and Civil Economy of Large Towns," he made it his business to examine the working of the Poor Law in various towns and agricultural districts of England, and the con- viction which this investigation forced upon hU mind was that " the Poor Law was dragging down England to her grave." That was his conclusion from the operation of the Poor Law as it was then administered, and had the law not been amended, his foreboding must have proved true. But the new Poor Law, based on Mr. Chadwick's report, however harsh it may have seemed in some respects, arrested the evil which was then rapidly increasing, and for some years checked the growth of pauperism. At the same time, the principles which Dr. Chalmers had taught. 18 with a truly Christian spirit and the most persuasive eloquence, gradually informed the public mind upon the true method of relieving distres?, and have ever since been workinj; their vray in the country at large. It is in har- mony with these principles that the present movement for placing charitable relief on a sounder basis has taken place. When the new Poor Law was introduced, many years ago, I had the opportunity of observing its working in a large country parish with many poor, of which I was then the incumbent. It certainly was a great improvement upon the old law. But since that time it appears to have been more and more relaxed, till the esjienditure has become greater than ever. Within the last four years the expense of the poor in London has increased by fifty-six per cent. This is indeed a deplorable fact, while in the same short period the wealth of the country has been everywhere increasing, and there has been and still is an enormous demand for labour. Yes, the pace of pauperism has so increased, that it will, if not checked, bring about that result which Dr.Chalmers anticipated from the law as it then stood. It is perhaps a harsh thing to say, but the efforts of the benevolent have gone far to aggravate this evil. (Hear, hear.) I have seen a good deal of this kind of charity. It is distressing beyond measure to see the injudicious manner in which money is lavished upon begging-letter writers and other persons who are for the most part impostors. You cannot exaggerate the amount of mis- chief done in that way, The mendicant is encouraged, and the honest labourer discouraged. The poor honest man sees his worthless neighbour living in luxury on the con- tributions of the wealthy, whilst he can barely earn a sub- sistence for his family. That is a thing that ought not to be. ^Hear, hear.) 'Jhe Poor Law, appKing itself only to relief, does not ex- ercise any influence to raise the labouring man to self- respect, nor to help hiin forward to woik for the support of his family. It is abolutely inoperative for that purpose. It has no tendency to raise and elevate the character and improve the condition of the pauperised and demoralised portion of the population. The benevolence lavished upon the poor by visitors is another way of producing the same result. I do not think I ever saw a person receive for a few weeks charity of this kind without being paralysed as to personal effort. (Hear, 14 hear.) He rapidly sinks into a state of apathy and becomes dead to eveiy better motive. I feel that, under these circumstances, it is most impor- tant, on the one hand, to separate the visitation of the poor from the administration of relief; and, on the other, to provide that relief by a distinct agency for the purpose. I believe that to be the first principle of all sound societies for the benefit of the poor, such as that at Edinburgh and other places, which have worked with so much success in this good cause. The next principle to be considered is, that there should be a district visitor to every ten or twelve families of those who are in a condition to require the help of those above them. But who is to undertake this office ? In a London parish, containing many hundred families, it is plainly im- possible for a clergyman to visit all. But, even if it were possible for the clergy to do it, it would be most undesir- able that they should. The administration of charit ible relief is that which breaks down our spirits, exhausts our energies, and distracts our minds from tha higher and nobler objects of our care ; and although we are not to forget that we are the servants of Him who went about doing good both to the body and soul, yet we ought not to be called upon to do more than to lay down the principles of Christian almsgiving, to remind our people of these prin- ciples, to minister to the requirements of the sick and afiiicted amongst our flocks, and to carry out the other work of our office which properly devolves upon us. But the duty of rendering help and sympathy to our brethren belongs equally to all the members of 0:irist'3 Church, whether lay or clerical. This great principle is laid down in that source of all instruction, both in regard to prin- ciples and conduct — the Holy Scriptures. " Whether one member suffei-, all the members suifer with it ; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it." As in the natural body, so it is in the spiritual body of Christ, the Church. What is the Christian Church but one large family, in which every individual is so bound up with all the rest, that he must feel a deep interest in their well-being ? Accordingly, all who can, should devote some portion of their time to visiting their poorer brethren, in order to show a real, unafi'ected interest in their welfare, to speak a word in season in all the varied circumstances of their 15 family life, to encourage tliem under trials, and afford such help as may enable them to^rise out of the depths of dependence and improvidence and vice, in which bo many are now sunk. Visits of this kind) will infallibly tend to produce a wholesome effect. It is not in nature that men or women should be receiving the disinterested ministra- tions of one above them, particularly if a layman (who they feel is not paid for his services), without gratitude ; that they should see a man sacrificing a portion of his time regularly, by visiting from house to house and there acting as their counsellor and friend, lookini^ after the education of their children, and renderingl'them such services as it is always in the power of a superior to bestow on an inferior; they cannot experience all this without great benefit to their character and habits. It must tend to create in them that feeling of self-respect and- desire for improvement which we all desire them to possess. A layman is more fitted for all these things than a clergyman by his greater knowledge of business and wider experience of life. And if the work is to be thoroughly done, it is indispensable that every gentleman who can should come to the aid of the clergy, and I would earnestly desire and pray to see all religious bodies unite in one great effort thus to do good to their poor neighbours. In such a combination there could be no real difficulty. It was pitiful to see the miserable obstructions thrown in the way of the Education Act by the petty squabbles about the " religious difficulty," as they called it. There really was no such difficulty, as appeared when the subject was fairly grappled with. Nor need there be any more difficulty here. All sects and denominations may combine in this work, without any compromise of their particular opinions. I remember one stormy day in winter, coming homo through a field, I saw a sheep "cast" into a very deep ditch. I ran, forgetting the weight of the animal, and. sliding down the bank, endeavoured to pull him < ut. Of course I found myself powerless to do it. So 1 looked out for help, and beckoned to two men at a distance, who promptly turned out of their way and hastened to my assistance. One of them was a Baptist, and the othr r a recent convert to Romanism. They were certainly cha- racters with whom I f^hould not have been ready to asso- ciate in my paiish, but I did not on that account declirc 16 their help. I said, " Come, now, let us save this animal." We jumped down together into the ditch, all three laid hold of the struggling creature, and, with one great effort, drew it out of the mud, in which it would soon have perished, and put it on its legs safe upon the hank. The principles of the three agents were different, but we com- bined in the object of saviog a neighbour's sheep. Why should we not combine to save Christ's sheep, that are wandering from the right way, and bring them into the path of uprightness, apart from the pure abstract doctrines of religion ? It is n«t necessary that every one should agree with us in every point of doctrine in order to join with us cordially in this great work of benevolencp. We, the clergy, should be happy to have the laity co-operating with us in it. We are not called upon to give it up alto- gether ourselves. (Hear, hear.) We shall, of course, be ready to minister, where we can, to the relief of the poor ; but that is a very different thing from carrying it out in the wholesale way in which it has been done. If we can get ladies and gentlemen to aid us we shall be most happy. Ladies are most essential, I conceive, for the due and com- plete performance of this good work. (Hear, hear.) And if we can get a lady or gentleman to visit every ten or twelve families (never more to each), and thus provide for the visitation of the whole parish, we shall have tlie ma- chinery desired. Call the labourers thus associated by any name you please — committee, or society, &c. — one in each of the ecclesiastical districts and subdivisions of St. Geoige, Hanover-square, and St. Margaret and St. John, Westminster, and all communicating with the cen- tral office — wti shall thus have uniformity introduced, and not have one going after another into the same house, and persons obtaining relief in half-a-dozen places, which is at present too commonly the case. Under the circumstances I may leave, very safely, a great deal that has yet to be said upon this resolution to those who are to follow me. Upon the few principles I have mentioned I think it will be acknowledged that a right system of administering relief may be founded, so as not to demoralise the objects of it, but to effect great and substantial good. Chairman : I will now, with your permission, put the resolution for the adoption of the meeting; but we should first be glad to hear any gentleman who wishes to make 37 any remark on the points on •which the mover and seconder have said their say. The Eev. Brymek Belcher, Vicar of St. Gabriel's, War- Ti'c Rev. Bry- . , T Ti . 1 ii 1 1 • merBelcher. ■wiCK-square : I did not know that you were speaking on the second resolution. I should like to say a few words on it. I presume the resolution is intended to ask the assistance of laymen ? CiiAiRMAX : Yes, that is so. The Rev. Bryjieu Belcher : There are very few clergy- men who have not the assistance of ladies in their parishes. I may observe, in passing, that the clergy and the dis- trict visitors are spoken of in a somewhat curious way. It is in the third result that is [mentioned as likely to follow the suggestions for the formation of local organisations. It is this : — " 3. That relief will be administered in a wiser and more discriminating manner by a committee in which the persons of most experience will acquire the most influence, rather than by tho unequal and comparatively unaided skill of the different district visitors." I confess we were rather at a loss to understand how we should benefit largely from the introduction of laymen. We do not think that the district visitors deserve to be spoken of as giving relief in an unequal and comparatively unaided way. No clergyman can have any objection to be assisted by laymen. My district, however, differs from others in the parish. Very few men in my district have any time to give to the work, as we liave not many rich. I am, tlierefore, obliged to depend on the assistance of the ladies, of whom I have a very large staff. We allot ten or twelve families to each, and we flatter ourselves we do not succeed badly. I regret the words " pauperised and de- moralised population." I presume it is meant only to apply to a segment of the whole ; but, as it stands, it applies to the wliole ; and I must hold up my hand against adjectives of that sort being applied to the whole. Chairman : 'J'hcre was no intention of characterising the whole of the population of the metropolis, but only a jiar- ticular part, as being demoralised and pauperised ; and it was far from being our intention to cast any reflection on Mr. Belcher's district visitors. Few clergymen, however, will deny that most ladies, especially young ladies, find it very difficult to avoid giving doles to the poor. It is to 18 enable them to visit the poor, without being liable to that kind of pressure, that the resolution was framed. The Eev. Brymer Belcher : I do not quite understand the last words of the resolution. Is it intended that the words "of every religious persuasion" should be added after the word " clergy," so as to make it read, " should come to the aid of the clergy of every religious persuasion?" Lord Alfred Churchill : After the very able addresses Churchill, delivered before us, I should be very sorry to put any unnecessary question. I wish thoroughly to indorse the views of the seconder of the motion as to the evils of the present Poor-law system. I think that the method of administering relief to the poor is faulty to a degree. There is a very large amount of pauperism in this town, amounting to from 120,000 to 150,000 souls daily in receipt of charitable relief, and it is to alleviate this that the Poor Law gives that indiscriminate relief — that out-door relief — which is the cause of so much pauperism and demoralisation. The work done by the boards of guardians is very great, but I know from experience that they have their whole time occupied in attending committees and that sort of thing, and this is the cause why the primary duty of admi- nistering relief is not looked after with the discrimination that it ought to be. Relieving officers are not supplied in sufficient numbers, and have not the sense of responsibility that they would have if a number of ladies and gentle- men were looking after the poor in the different districts. I believe that it is quite necessary to combine the lay with the clerical element for the purpose of properly in- vestigating the circumstances of every poor family. I think that can best be done by means of house-to-house visitation, and that the visitors should not have too many families on their hands, and should not themselves admi- nister relief without first obtaining the sanction of a super- intending committee. (Hear, hear.) These lady visitors go round the districts with the best intentions, but they are liable to be imposed upon. (Hear, hear.) If they were not to afford relief then and there, but were to report as to the relief proposed to be given, I think you might then be able to put a stop to much of the injury inflicted on the poor by practised impostors. There is the clerical element and the lay element in the Church, and the onus is as much upon the one as upon the other. It is the duty of the lay elemeat to help in the investigation of every 1.9 case requiring relief. I do not care whether they are members of the Established Church, or Nonconformists, or Roman Catholic priests ; they ought all to unite together upon the question of the administration of charity. It is a question on which we may all meet upon broad ground, and with a desire to simply endeavour to meet the difficul- ties incident to it. The Rev. William Gill, Minister of Robert-street Chapel, The Uev. w. Grosvenor-square, said : I have had the honour, as a Non- *^'"- conformist minister, to receive an invitation to attend this Conference, and it gives me pleasure to say a few words in support of the present resolution. For many years it has been my privilege to labour in the cause of Christian civili- sation among the inhabitants of the South Sea Islands, and until lately I had no idea that so much ignorance and dis- tress existed in this West-end of London as I now find. It appears to me that nothing can be more important in the matter of relief than that ministers and laity of every re- ligious persuasion should unite in an organisation of the kind now contemplated, to meet the necessities of the case. I would remind the Conference that every Nonconformist congregation has organisations consisting of lay agents, male and female, for the purpose of aiding, as far as in their power, the wants of the sick and the poor. My own church has its house - to - house visitors, its Dorcas and Maternal Societies, and its Benevo- lent Society. Large numbers of cases relieved by these societies are not only not connected with our own Church, but with no Church at all. We feel that their misery and distress constitute their claim upon our charity, and accordingly we relieve them. But our difficulty is, that we frequently find that these very same persons are being relieved by the charities of visitors from one, two, or more Churches in the district. Now I apprehend it is the object of the proposed Committee to meet this difficulty. If, therefore, you contemplate inviting the co-operation of Nonconformists in devising the best method of so giving relief as to do away with the evils of the present isolated systems, I am quite sure you will find botli the ministers and laity of the Nonconformist Churches heartily willing to unite and to render all the practical assistance in their power. (Hear, hear.) In conclusion, and in reference to the remarks of the Rev. Mr. Hamilton, about the help he once accepted from two ministers of other Churches C 20 than his own to get a poor sheep out of a ditch, I will venture to hope that there may be found many Noncon- formists whose service of help in the relief of the poor may not only be acceptable to the clergy and laity of the Church of England, but who would be found not unworthy of being recognised by them as Christian brethren elsewhere. (Applause.) Chairman: I have great pleasure in giving the assur- ance to our friend that it is fully intended to invite the co-operation in our object of ministers of the Christian religion of all denominations. Mr. Gill has given a prac- tical illustration of the necessity for this. We propose that a Committee be appointed for the purpose of laying down the best rules for the purpose of attaining this object, with the result, we hope, " that a uniform system of relief, not only throughout each ecclesiastical district, but throughout the whole area of the three parishes, will be arrived at." This is the first result anticipated from the adoption of this plan. Eev. BnvMER Belcher : The simple alteration I suggest is as follows ; " It is indispensable that the laity generally should give their assistance to the clergy and ministers of all denominations." Eev. W. Gill : The ol jection seems to be to my being called a clergyman. In America I should be — but per- haps it would be better not to press it. (Hear, hear.) I should not have raised the question. (Hear, hear.) Here I am not usually called a clergyman, but a Noncon- formist minister. Mr. Fleming. jjj.^ Fleming, Guardian of the Poor : I would say one word upon this resolution, as a very humble member of the Board of Guardians. I believe the Poor-law system to be both costly and cumbrouS; and that it is desirable for the laity to come forward and help. You would hardly oral it it, that in so large a parish as this, where there are so many men of " idle intelligence," so large a number of poor should be waiting for relief which the Guardians cannot administer. We shall never get this sort of thing corrected if we do not expose it. I am not speaking of this as a matter of complaint against my fellow-Guardians. I do not deny that they give all the time they can to the work of their ofBce, but I do hope that retired tradesmen, and gentlemen too, will give some portion of their time to this charitable object. There is plenty of leisure time to 21 give, but, strange to say, in the committee-room overhead you may have thirty or forty attending to the business of the parish, who Avill not come down hero to attend to the real wants of the poor of the parish. I do not speak in such temperate language, perhaps, to them as I am no\v using. ("Hear," laughter.) Ch.virman: We all know that there are many excellent persons on the Board of Guardians, and it is not their fault, but the fault of the system, if the Poor Law does not work well. I will now read the resolution amended as proposed. (Reading it.) I think we are all pretty well agreed. (Perfectly satisfied.) I will now put the resolution to the meeting. (After a Bhow of hands.) It is passed un- animously. The resolution so passed was as follows : — " 2. That, in order to commence, with any hope of success, the great work of elevating the character and improving the condition of this pauperised and demoralised portion of the population, it is indispensable that the laity of every religious persuasion should come to the aid of the clergy and ministers of all denominations." Colonel Fremantle, of the St. George's Charity Organisa- Coionoi Fur- tion Oominittee, in proposing the first resolution, said : At m^:^" - the first commencement of the operations of the St. George's Charity Organisation Committee, about a year and a quarter ago, I was deputed to wait upon the different incumbents and ask for their co-operation, which I need hardly say I obtained, for I may remark that in no part of London have the clergy co-operated more heartily with the objects of the Society than in St. George's My first question to the incumbents was this, " Have you sutiicient funds at your disposal for the relief of the ordinary distress in your district?" The answer I received, as a general rule, was in the afiBrmative. The Curate in charge of St. Paul's, Knightsbridge, indeed added, very naturally, that it would be a great disgrace to so wealthy a district if tho contrary had been the case. The report I was able to make of the result of my interviews with the incumbents was considered very satisfactory by tlio Committee. I felt myself justified in saying to the Committee that they need bi under no alarm lest they should establish a new relief agency in a district in which it was notorious that ample funds for the purpose already existed. I said that the c 2 22 clergy had sufficient money, and that when we had inquired into a case, and had satisfied ourselves that it was a good one for relief, we had only to send the case to be dealt with satisfactorily by the local charity. But, I am sorry to say, we have been disappointed in this expectation. What happens is this : we send a suitable case to the clergyman or agency of the district, and it generally receives a few grocery or bread tickets. We then say, " We don't want you to give bread or grocery tickets, but we want you to spend £2 or £3 or £4 upon the case," and so place the person to be relieved in a position to gain his living independently. This the loeal charity cannot do, and the Organising Society then gives the necessary funds for the purpose. The St. George's Committee have had tho greatest difficulty to avoid becoming a neiv relief society, although they feel that every penny so spent is a confession of the bad appropriation of the large funds already spent in the district for the relief of distress. How is it that the local charity in each district cannot spend £2 or £3 when necessary upon the proper relief of a case of distress ? Because a very large proportion of the funds is spent in small doles at the discretion of district visitors. We find that these small doles, as a general rule, tend to pauperise the recipients, and do not effect any permanent good in their condition, often the reverse; while the fact that so much money is spent in that manner cripples the resources of the charity, and prevents the really adequate relief which in certain cases is necessary to render them permanently self-supporting. There can be no manner of doubt that a very large proportion of the money devoted by benevolent persons to relieve distress in these parishes does a great deal more harm than good, and is a real mis- fortune to the poor. I am a member of a branch of this Society in St. Giles- in-the-Fields, and I can state upon my personal experience that in some respects the condition of the poor in that notoriously poor district is more satisfactory than it is here. They are more self-reliant, less inclined to throw themselves upon charity instead of depending upon their own exertions — in fact they are less demoralised by indis- criminate relief. We hope, if a scheme such as we propose should be adopted, that the clergy will find it an advantage to them. It will enable them in a more satisfactory manner to sepa- 28 rate their duties as ministers of religion and dispensers of relief. I have been told by clergymen in diflferent parts of London that such is their desire, and I believe the feeling is very prevalent. We think also that the district visitors would profit greatly by the change we advocate. Some few may think that they acquire influence by the power of distributing tickets at their own discretion ; but we believe, on the con- trary, that their influence for good among the better class of poor would be increased if their visits could be disso- ciated in their minds from the giving of charity. Our pro- posal, moreover, removes a district visitor from an unfair position ; for I cannot imagine a position more unfair than that of a lady going from a comfortable house in May Fair or Belgravia into a miserable cellar or a garret, and being made at once the judge as to Avhether relief should be ad- ministered or not. Of course she must, and she does, give relief; and yet, in many cases, that very relief-giving with- out proper inquiry acts as a stimulant to the vices which have dragged down the poor family to its present degra- dation. We think that the upper classes would be benefited by our scheme, for everything which interests the rich in the condition of the poor must be advantageous, and we have reason to know that many laymen, who have been for a year or more working in our committee, are ready to give their assistance to the clergy if requested to do so. And, lastly, the poor must profit by it, because the really deserving will then receive more substantial assistance ; those who are notoriously undeserving — the idle, the drunken, and the dissolute — will be left face to face with hard work, or that relief to which they are entitled by law ; whilst thoscwho are simply improvident — and we fear they form a very large class — will gradually be taught to understand that they must no longer continue to earn large wages for nine months in the year, and live upon charity the other three- The resolution I have to propose is this : — " 1. That, notwithstanding the exertions of the clergy and others in this district, much of the charity that is adminis- tered has a pauperising effect; and many unworthy per- sons live in idleness, preying upon the kind-hearted, while the really deserving poor who do not beg are in danger of being overlooked." TheRev.G. H. rpj^g g^^^ q -q Wilkinson, Vicar of St. Peter's, Eaton-square : I am sure Colonel Fremantle will allow me in one point to take exception to what he has said. In St. Peter's we have acted upon the very principle he has pressed upon the attention of the meeting to-day. We have long availed ourselves of the assistance of the Society in investigating cases of relief, but we have declined to receive any portion of the money entrusted to the Committee. We have acted on the principle that any amount that was needed was to be given out of our own funds after the case was found to be a deserving one. I do not dwell further upon the amount of mendicancy existing', as it is well known. I will only add that it is one of the greatest annoyances to the clergy to find that these imposters are preying upon the public, and that the com- paratively rich receive money from the benevolent, while the poor deserving man has been left to starve. But this resolution says also that the poor are in danger of being overlooked. I have known such cases myself. In one case a man has come to see me at eight o'clock in the evening, and I have found that he was speaking the truth when he said that one cup of tea and a crust was all that he had had that day. I have seen a poor girl at a house, left alone with the corpse of her mother, but too shy to ask for help to bury her. Other cases I have known where men have asked for, and endeavoured to find, work, and I have written to people, and tried to find them work, and have been unable to do so. What we want is the help of lay- men — of men full (as the Chairman said) of the Holy Ghost and wisdom — full of that love of God which enables a man, even when imposed upon, to go on striving to save the poor from degradation; men who will win others to Christ; who will, at one and the same time, relieve their bodily necessities and minister to the good of their souls; men who will imitate that Lord who, although he rebuked those who came to hear him merely for the sake of the loaves which they obtained, first drew them around him by ministering to their bodily relief. There are difiBculties, and there will be difficulties, in the way, before the Committee will be able to draw up those rules which will be required for the purpose of bringing the whole force of our religion to bear upon this work. I believe that if you are to get that concentrated patient spirit which will persevere until this great sore of London 25 ha3 been healed, you must not only include in your ranks all siiiules of religion for the purpose of carrying on your operations, but you must so arrange that each separate religious organisation shall work in whatever way will enlirit the most hearty co-operation of its members. The Roman Catholic priest, working with his Roman Catholic laity, will appeal to them, if he see fit, by their love for the Virgin. I should urge my workers to go frequently to that holy table where the strength which their work requires will specially be obtained. The Nonconformist would strengthen the hands of his workers in any way that he thought desirable. By each body of Christians working, in its own way, but communicating freely and frequently with each other, the work which we all wish to effect would be most surely accomplished. I have great pleasure in seconding the resolution. The Rev. T. King, Curate of St. George's, Hanover- The Rev. t. square : I beg to protest against Colonel Fremantle's '^'^' speech. He spoke in ignorance of the objects of the Saint George's Visiting Society. The Society does not profess to administer only to the temporary relief of the poor. The object of the Society is to encourage in the poor economy and self-respect, the whole of the people coming forward and giving as mucli money as they can- In the year 1869 our expenditure was I,300Z. We are en- couraging industry and economy, and the great object is not merely to administer temporary relief. I object to the remarks made, and I appeal to my brother clergyman, who is present, as to the truth of what I say. Chairman : Colonel Fremantle did not intend to make any personal remark, but merely to call attention to the general result, that there is a great deal of indiscriminate charity given. The Rev. A. Forbes, Curate of St. Mark's, North Audley- '^',': ^^''- ^^ •^ 1 0RBK8. street : Something was said in Colonel Fremantle's speech against district visitors. I must protest against their having no active part in the administration of relief. It is not right to throw any reflection upon either party. It is a most difficult subject. There is one suggestion I have to make on behalf of some of the district visitors in their own pari.-y the sisters the adir.ini- stration of a mixed lay committee, which from its system of searching investigation (though I recognise the need of it) would practically seem to the poor to be closely allied to the Poor-law relief. The best of our poor are the most retiring and the most sensitive. They would shrink from coming before such a committee, and they would ratlier have the services and kind offices in distress or sickness of one whom by experience they trusted and dearly loved. Moreover, we must look at this question, not only in its secular and social aspect, but also in its religious aspect. The mixed character of the committee would tend to create confusion in the minds of our poor. They would not recognise the relief as coming through the personal 32 sympathy of their spiritual mother the Church, acting through her own authorised members, but only as aid coming from a secular society. Their interest in their parish as a religious organisation would be weakened, and the visible bond of church unity loosened. Secondly, as regards the sisters and the district visitors. They would not, I know, be able to be present at the con- sultations of the local committee, because they shrink from all publicity. They would be doubtless qualified as re- garded giving information upon any specified subject, but they would dec'ine to do so personally, and any report to or from them would have to pass through me. Neither would they or our district visitors recognise any authority in my parish but that of their own parish priest. Thirdly, as regards my own oflSce, I have been taught that I stand in the relation of a spiritual parent to the people of my own flock ; and I cannot, I humbly think, delegate my supreme authority in my own parish to others. It is not that I want to arrogate authority to myself, but I have a conviction that a certain oifice has been solemnly committed to me, and I am responsible before God for the fulfilment of that office ; and so I cannot consent to be otherwise than the head of my own parish. And, there- fore, though I may maintain the most friendly relations with this Committee, I cannot consent that the alms of my people should be administered under the judgment of others, and not under my own judgment. I should be glad to I>romote the relief of the deserving poor; but to go the length of the suggestion of the second clause of these sug- gestions — I cannot do it. I have given simply my reasons for the declarations I have made, and I thank thi.^ meeting for their patient hearing. Mr. MoRKis, Guardian of the Poor : I think this meetinjr, or this question, will not be influenced much by the la n speech. (Question, question.) I have always found thfi5 clergymen have been the worst dispensers of alms. I do think that if they had a little more of the inquisitiveness of the Poor-law gentlemen it Vould be a great deal better for the poor at large. Chairmax: Are we not getting beyond our subject? "We all hold Mr. Liddell's conscientious opinions in great respect. The more of that conscientiousness there is in a clergyman, the more he will deserve the assistance of the laity. 83 Hon. and Rev. R. Liddell : I cannot hear all the observa- tions made at the other end of the room owing to my infirmity of deafness. I am afraid I have given some pain to the last speaker by something I have said. If I did so I wish most heartily to withdraw my words, and assure him that no- thing was further from my intention than to thi-ow any aspersion on the Guardians, who give up so much of their time for the benefit of the poor. No one will, 1 suppose, think that I wish to say one Avord against them. Lieut. -Colonel Fletcher, of the St. George's Charity Lieut-Colone Organisation Committee : I wish to offer a few remarks on ''-etcher. the subject of the resolution. It seems to me very de- sirable that the several distinct agencies should be under the supervision of the respective clergy and of the ministers of other denominations ; but that these should avail them- selves to a greater extent than at present of lay agency, and, above all, recognise the great principle that those whose province it is to visit the poor should not of them- selves give relief, but should submit to the direction of the district committees. I have had some opportunities, when serving on the Committee in Mount-street, of seeing the working of some of the district visitors, and can speak highly of their valu- able services. Mjiny of them are in constant communica- tion with the Committee, and both give and receive infor- mation from them. With respect to what fell from the Rev. R. Liddell in regard to the organisation in the L>istrict of St. Paul's, I would venture to give an instance to prove that the organisation of that district, although possibly excellent in theory, is not (juite perfect in practice. The case is that of a poor man wlio, having met with an acci- dent, was thrown out of work. lie received assistance from the St. Paul's Local Charity, and also parish relief. The case was brought before the Mount-street Committee by the St. Paul's District Charity, and, as they were averse to becoming a third channel of relief, they wrote to the Rev. R. Liddell, asking him to continue to assist the case, whilst they (the Mount-street Committee) Kt^'s Cha- _ . 1 T /i- 1 1 • 1 • • '"''y <^>isaiiica- Councils, and would atiord them all the aid ni its power tioa Commit- in investigating cases, and in bringing such matters as ^^' may be desirable under the notice of the public autho- rities, such as the School Board, Boards of Guardians, Boards of Health, the Police, the Home Office, &c. The Organisation Committee would also deal with such ciisea as might be referred to them by the Parish Councils as requiring more help than the local charitable agencies could atiord — cases, for instance, in which loans are re- quired, and, under exceptional circumstances, in which grants for emigration or removal into the country are re- commended. While the plan we have recommended would not inter- Geneml results fere with any existing agency for the benefit of the poor, obiiiucd. '° ^^ 40 it would strengthen them all, and would secure as much uniformity as possible in the distribution of charitable relief. In parishes which are already well administered the new organisation would afford much friendly aid ; while in those parts of the town where the poor are densely crowded, without any agency having been pro- vided sufficient to cope with so great an evil, new forces would be brought to the rescue, representing, as we hope, all that is most business-like, influential, and benevolent in the laity of this district of the metropolis. (Signed) C. E. TREVELYAN (Chairman). ROBERT LIDDELL, Vicar of St. Paul's, Knightsbridge. GEORGE HOWARD WILKINSON, Vicar of St. Peter's, Eaton-square. J. H. HAMILTON, Vicar of St. Michael's, Chester-square. G. C. WHITE, Vicar of St. Barnabas, Pimlico, • W. H. TURLE, Vicar of St. Matthew's, Westminster. G. D. W. DICKSON, Incumbent of St. James-the-Less, West- minster. 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